August 7, 2025 • 59 mins
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Thank you very much Natalia for commissioning this episode!
This is the one where Jane is realizing that she has a tough time trusting male authority figures, and her vehement initial denial is put to the test when she has to work with a male editor on her book. Meanwhile, something is going on with Raphael and this journal, Bruce is proposing to Xiomara, and there's drama with Matteo's new aid.
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Thank you very much Natalia for commissioning this episode!
This is the one where Jane is realizing that she has a tough time trusting male authority figures, and her vehement initial denial is put to the test when she has to work with a male editor on her book. Meanwhile, something is going on with Raphael and this journal, Bruce is proposing to Xiomara, and there's drama with Matteo's new aid.
Thanks so much to you all for listening, and I will see you soon with a new episode!
Wanna talk spoilers? Join the Discord! https://discord.gg/rEF2KfZxfV
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me
covering Jane the Virgin, Season three, Chapter fifty seven. Wait
season three, episode thirteen, Chapter fifty seven, Every time, guys,
(00:24):
I'll get it ready someday. In this episode, Jane has
to make some changes to her novel and it turns
out that they're not all bad, and I am very
interested in what the hell is going on with Raphael
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what is he doing? Welcome to spoil Me, Welcome to
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the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very much
to Natalia for commissioning this episode. Natalia, if you're out there,
appreciate you. And thank you to Rowan, who is in
the chat with me today. I'm so excited to be
back with Jane the Virgin. It's been a minute and
I just really you, guys, this show is so wild.
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I actually wound up because I had a little extra
time today. I rewatched the second half of the previous
episode just to refresh myself on what was going on,
and then came back and watched this one. So I
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feel like I'm on steadier ground than I often do
when I've been apart from a property for a little while.
And this show is just so delightful. I have such
a good time with it, and I feel like i've
been There's been a few things that have been sort
of like, I've spotted the actress who plays Jane a
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few different places, and so the show has been on
my mind a little bit due to seeing her in
some different spots. She's been on will Trent, which if
any of you watch that show, that's a police procedural,
but it's a little bit more personal than some of
them are. And then the actor who plays Rafael, there's
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been like this whole thing going on. I can't remember
if it's is it Blake Lively. There's something going on
with him being accused of sexual harassment. Maybe it is,
I don't know, but he doesn't come out looking great
on it. Suffice to say, the actors have been in
the mix around me, and every time I see them,
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I'm just like, oh man, I haven't covered Jane in
so long. So let's get it going, shall we we?
This This episode is about a few things overall, but
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I feel like the thing that I want to talk
about first is what's going on with Mateo. Because Jeane,
she has this like understandable insecurity surrounding Mateo, and I
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totally get this based on the way that shit has
been going on in the last few episodes and his
behavior has been all over the place. You would not
only just be like kind of embarrassed of his behavior,
but also very much doubting yourself and your own abilities
as a parent due to that, especially when you are
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around I just love the twist that it turns out
that Petra's kids are these like absolutely precious little angels.
It's very it's a very fun direction to take all
of this in, honestly, But what's happening in these scenes
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where she is bringing him to this school that Petra
has gotten him into and she is trying to find
an aid that will stay with him throughout the day
and make sure that he doesn't give the teacher too
much trouble. There is a sense throughout this that the
people who are interacting with her on it have an
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ulterior motive or tone to what they say due to
them being women and Jane feeling like women communicate in
an entirely different way, and it's a mean girl thing
that Raphael wouldn't pick up on. And that's like a
recurring thing for this one is that Jane trusts women
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authority figures more than men and just generally has a
mistrust of like men's takes on things, which is absolutely
one valid and I do kind of appreciate that, even
though she winds up coming around to the editor that
she's working with for her book, it's not like completely
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discounted out of hand that she has the right to
feel this way. So it starts off with this woman.
I think her name is Jessica, and I'm trying to
remember what I have seen her in before, but she's
a black woman with this bob and she's really like
very fashionable looking. And there's a point later on where
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they're having this Monte Carlo themed fun and this woman
is like at one of the roulette tables, laughing, and
she straight up looks like she's in a casino commercial.
Like I live near a casino because I'm at the
very top edge of Texas, so I'm on the border
of Oklahoma. You drive ten minutes north of me, and
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there are two different casinos, and so I see billboards
for this all the time, and she just looks exactly
like she is from one of those billboards in that moment.
So there's like a certain glossy glamour to her that
I could certainly see being intimidating just out of the gate.
And then she says something about, you know, like just
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the challenge of Matteo. But she says it in such
a way that Jane takes it, maybe not the wrong way,
but she does take it like to heart in a
way that Raphael feels is jumping the gun a little bit.
Raphael is really careful. I think he's he's not trying
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to dismiss what Jane thinks. He's trying to reassure her.
But Jane insists, like this is a mean girl thing,
and so you don't get it. And eventually she runs
into that same woman talking to I think like the
head mistress of the school, somebody who has a very
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important position here, and overhears them talking in a way
that she interprets as really critical of Mateo, but which
we find out is Jessica being worried about taking on
an entire bus full of kids on this field trip
without any other parent with her. So she's just understandably
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like worried about being overwhelmed and not being able to
handle this whole thing. And when Jane jumps down their
throats about this, and it's proven she misunderstood, and also
the person she snapped on is important. It's very funny,
you guys, because the scene is so awkward and she's
trying to like talk her way out of it. And
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as it's happening, I literally dropped my gaze from the
screen because I couldn't take it. And just as I
do that, the narrator says, I know I can't watch either,
And I felt so called out instly. It was such
a great little moment. I literally like started giggling because
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he just was I'm not joking, you guys. The timing
of it was so on point, it was uncanny. It
freaked me out. So anyway, she is she really likes
this Aid, and she says to her son, isn't she great?
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Because this Aid very firmly positions herself on Jane's side
and says about, how you know, Jessica's kind of a
snot or something like that, Basically the sort of thing
where if you agree that you dislike the same person
that somebody else dislikes, now you're allies and that's just
like a done deal. But she doesn't realize at the
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time that when she says isn't she great to Mateo,
that Matteo isn't giving her his honest response. He is
telling her what she he thinks she wants to hear.
And it's not until later that she finds out he
actually doesn't like this woman. He says that she's on
her phone all the time and that she takes tons
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of pictures of herself and that she's just not really engaged,
you know. So at this point Jane is sort of
trying to find a way to get herself back into
the good graces of the women at this school, and
Petra especially because like Jane is talking to Raphael about
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this and that this fuck up could really screw things
up for Mateo, and Raphael is like, what are they
going to do to Mateo? And then of course Petra
strolls in and she's like, well, they could give him
the shitty teacher, which is absolutely what they will do
and confirms all of Jane's worst fears. So she is like, Jane,
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there's going to be a meeting about this fundraiser. You're
going to be there and we will find a way
for you to make good. And also it reflects on
me because I'm the one who vouched for you, so
I have a vested interest in making sure that you
go back to making a good impression. So they go
to this thing, and Jane, everybody has a contribution of
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an item of some great value, Laker's tickets, like I
think they said, like court side, somebody else has Beyonce
tickets that they are going to be using for the raffle.
So they are all really doing something here, and Jane
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just feels pressured to say anything, and so she blurts out,
what if we did such and such instead of this
fountain and the way that it's sort of set up
is like, initially, bad move, Jane, you don't understand this
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woman loves fountains. But really what the problem is is
what then, I think Jessica says next, which is I
think we should stick with the layout that we decided
on a month ago. And that was my first thought was, like, Jane,
it is obviously way too late in the game for
you to be suggesting major changes to the way the
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whole setup is going to go. I get that you
think you're being clever with like a cost saving measure,
but these are not people who worry about that kind
of thing the way that you're going to worry about it.
It's just a different culture at a school like this
with people like this, So you're being worried in this
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regard isn't going to be taken well. And it's way
too late to bring up something that is this big
a change. So I was just like, instantly as she
started talking, I was just like, oh no, because I
fucking knew it was, you know. And indeed everybody is
sort of looking askance at her. And we have the
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Casino Night Happen Monte Carlo theme, and honestly, the place
looks incredible. It's amazing. And Jane is assigned to selling
raffle tickets and when she excitedly announces that she sold
twelve raffle tickets, the woman is so distressed because nest year,
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at this same time, we had sold fifty raffle tickets. Ah, Jane,
She's trying so hard, and it's just and she keeps
asking everybody who goes by if they want one, but
half the time it's somebody who's already bought one. She's
not really doing a great job on selling things. And
I did notice that the setup here isn't great because
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they need more obvious like displays of what is on
offer for the raffle. I feel like we need like
a big poster a Beyonce, you know, we need like
a jersey for the Lakers or something like this, Like
we need to make it clearer how awesome the prizes are.
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A person just being like, do you want a raffle ticket?
It's not selling, But I digress. So like there's a
whole thing that goes wrong with the kitchen staff, not
having enough glasses, not having enough bus boys. I think
they say they don't have any bussers. And so Jane
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tries to ask these women to help her wash dishes,
and they look at her like she has grown another head.
And she decides she's going to take it upon herself
to go in back and do this with a couple
of other people. And then I'm gonna keep calling her
the head mistress because I can't remember what her actual
title is. But she turns up and Jane finally has
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like a better moment where she gets to really open
up to this lady about how her insecurities around parenting
are causing her to lash out at people and take
things the wrong way that she's working on it. She
recognizes this isn't a great look and just give a
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really serious apology, and it's a nice little like, you know,
she's not trying to do something superficial to get things,
like to get in good in another direction, she's addressing
the actual issue one on one in a very personal
way that I felt like was a lot more appropriate
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than the way she was approaching things. It's very funny
because like the way that she was approaching things isn't
necessarily a bad approach, but it's one hundred percent more
Petra's approach. You know, Petra's going to be the one
that does it that way, and it would work for
her because that's the way she operates. And so her
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trying to like come up with certain ideas and sweeten
the pot and make herself seem invaluable, it's just much
more natural for somebody like Petra, and it doesn't come
off as so nakedly self serving. It's like, you know
that it's self serving, but she's so competent that you
kind of just let that go. But Jane doesn't know
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how to not make it obvious what it is she's doing,
you know, which is fine, it's just not her area.
So they have this like, you know, pretty good moment
where it feels like she's cleared the air a little bit,
and then she goes and talks again to the AID briefly,
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and this aid winds up completely pouring out all of
this dirt on Jessica, her kid being in like a
facility for like behavioral issues, that her husband has cheated
on her like three times in the last month alone,
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all of this like really personal, humiliating stuff, and you
can see Jane's face falling, and I was sort of like,
as I was watching the scene, I wondered if what
Jane was experiencing here was the feeling of like, oh,
this woman that I was so worried about, turns out
she has her own, like major issues that she's dealing with,
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and I wasn't considering that in the mix, you know,
I was just sort of like so focused on my
own shortcomings that I didn't really consider that maybe she
has the same insecurities and she has the same concerns.
So I thought that was it. But like later on,
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when she's talking to Rafael, she says, I just it
was super inappropriate the way that she was gossiping about
everybody else and decides to let this aid go. And
I really loved this. Just look, it's it's I'm not
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going to pretend that I am not somebody who loves mess.
Upon occasion, I really am going to be that that
you come to with your gossip, and I won't pretend
I'm not. But there's a time and place, and most
of the time when I'm into the drama and the
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mess is when it is something that otherwise I have
like zero involvement in whatsoever. I don't I'm too old
to want to be involved in mess in a place
that I work or frequent in any way, because anytime
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that you start to go down that road, it will
bite you. It's just you know. So the only kinds
of drama that I let myself really indulge in are
on the internet, when it's like a celebrity thing or
some goofy shit on TikTok or whatever. You know. That's
when I really am like, oh, have fun, have a
little treat, well, indulge in this gossip, you know. But
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otherwise I am I'm just too old for this. I
just don't care. I have reached a point in my
life where I like also am so acutely aware of
how many people out there are just trying to do
their best that I know I personally have been in
a place where you could have talked cash shit about
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me many times and I would have deserved it. So
because I know people in glass houses like I don't
want to engage because I am very keenly I have
a very very good memory for the shit that I
pulled throughout my life, and if somebody wanted to throw
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that in my face, they could. And I just the
idea of just not wanting to like work with this
woman because of the way that she gossips. It makes
a lot of sense. And it's interesting the way that
things go a little bit later because Jane goes, she's
like walking to her car and she runs into Jessica,
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who is like, I can't believe you told people about
my kid that aid I know that she told you,
and then you had to run your mouth, And I
appreciated that. Jane isn't like she doesn't let herself get
angry right away. She just very quickly kind of cuts
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in and is like, I never said a word because
I would never, but I think you're right. It was her,
and that is why I let her go and kind
of takes the wind out of Jessica sales altogether. And
it's just this is something that I have actually run into.
There was it was such a weird thing where it
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happened twice with the same person, and when it happened
the second time, I just finally came to the realization that, like,
for whatever reason, this person just does not trust me
and I haven't done anything to deserve that, but I think,
I mean, I have to accept that's what it is.
But they overheard like something, and they thought that I
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had like h like told on them about the fact
that they were seeing somebody that they were working with,
and I hadn't told on them, and I hadn't used
their name. It was the person that she had started
seeing was engaged to another person that we were working with.
So I simply told the person that he was engaged to,
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you cannot marry this guy. He is cheating on you,
Like nobody is going to tell you, but this is
my last day at this job, and I will tell you.
Don't do it. And it wasn't. I didn't tell her.
I never said her name. It was simply that it
was so obvious who he was cheating with that she
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was able to like leap to her own conclusion I
had nothing to do with it. And then I so
I explained that to her, and she like kind of
hype down and you know, but then again another time
where somebody else like brought up something and I jumped
in and defended her, and then later on she's like,
I can't believe you said blank blank blank, and it
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was literally everything that the guy had said that I refuted,
And I was like, Michelle, I didn't say any of
those things. Eric said all of those things, and I
explained these mitigating circumstances and she was like, oh, okay,
well thanks, I guess I'm sorry. And I really like
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it was that moment of me going, wow, she really
must not think very much of me, because she keeps
taking whoever's word for it on whatever it is. You know,
it was just it was It's very saddening because you
think that you're doing the right thing on a person,
and like, I wouldn't change what I did, but to
know that she was so willing to believe the worst,
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and especially from whoever told her having like their own
weird reasons for blaming me or like trying to put
it on me. It's it's a bummer to feel like
you are trying so hard to not get rolled into
all of this dirt and then somebody just shoves you
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into it and you don't have any choice because even
when you defend yourself believably and it seems like that
person understands, there's still this weird taint to it where
you feel like now you're marked as somebody who's like
even tangentially in the mix with the drama, and it
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just makes it so that next time it's all the
easier for it to stick when somebody decides to accuse
you of another thing. So anyway, these sorts of situations
suck ass. And Jessica apologizes and it's clear like she's
feeling the exact way that Jane felt the other day,
and she's suddenly having a little bit more sympathy for
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the fact that Jane was so embarrassed and like so insecure,
and it's just, I don't know, it's like, eventually, this
this whole thing with Matteo needing an aid and this
school and everything, it's an interesting vein to tap because
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I know that Jane. She's actually, in a lot of
ways very like me in terms of how she is
really working class, but she is around people with money
a lot, and so she's weirdly part of this world
but not actually at home in it. So she's rubbing
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elbows at the resort because of working at the resort
and being the baby mama of the owner of the resort.
But it's not like she wealthy. It's not like she's
the boss until she is. And when she's at this school,
you know she's here because Petra got her in, and
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I'm assuming Raphael is the one like paying for the schooling.
She would never be able to be a part of
this place if it weren't for who the baby's daddy is,
And so it puts her in this odd position where
she is surrounded by people that are what she is
aspiring to provide for her kid. And I don't fault
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her for that at all. I completely get it. But
also there's like a culture with all of this that
I don't think she really understands fully, And again I
don't fault her for not understanding it, it's just I
think that Petra needs to walk her through it. A
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bit more. Petra seems to believe like Jeane's smart and
she you know, handled things, she'll get it. And I
feel like Petra really underestimates the like what's the word
I want learning curve or maybe I just think that
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she assumes this is about intelligence and it's not. There's
a whole other, weird, subtle layer to navigating spaces with
people who have this sort of social culture, and Jane
is going to have to get more used to it
because as he gets older, Mateo is not only going
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to be at these schools, He's going to be having
more of these friends. He's going to be dating people
in these echelons, and you know, eventually there will be
college and all of this stuff, and she's just going
to get more and more involved in it. And I
want her to be more well versed in the sort
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of like passive aggressive warfare thing, you know. So okay, okay, okay,
now backing up, let's see who we talk to. Oh right, Okay,
So Raphael has this whole thing going on this episode
where his girlfriend wants to move in with him and
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he can't decide what to do. This is one of
those things where it's like, so very clear what the
deal is, and he gets there eventually, but the girlfriend
understandably interprets his choice a certain way. So what it
is is he doesn't have chemistry with her. He doesn't
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see things really going anywhere. And it's very obvious for
us as viewers that it's been set up this way,
because there's this constant, recurring joke about how the camera
forgets she's there, the narration forgets she's there, and we
as an audience member, didn't even know she was there
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until the camera suddenly jerks to the side and she's
sitting there, smiling and being a part of things sort of.
And so it's no surprise whatsoever to us that he's
realizing this isn't anything. Actually, she's just not really a
part of things. She's not factored in. But the way
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that it winds up shaking out is at first he's
telling himself, Yeah, you know what, I'm gonna go for it.
I'm gonna have her move in because they've reached a
stage in the relationship where he feels like this is inevitable,
they're going to have to do this, and it's not
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a good reason, but frankly, it is the reason that
many people do what they do. This is not unusual
at all. So he writes this down on a card
in his pocket, making it irrefutable later that he had
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planned on doing it and changed his mind. And then
at this event, Petra has too much to drink. It's
very funny, actually, and she blurts out to him, it's
obvious that you don't want to move in with her,
so just don't. And from the other side of the room,
his girlfriend is watching this, so she sees this as
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Petra's fault, and you know, like kinda it's not really
at all. It's just Petra like spelling out for him
what is obviously true, but is a conclusion that he
might not have come to so quickly. I think that really,
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And this is the thing with like this sort of
situation so often, and he probably if he hadn't been
talked to by Petra in this way, he would have
gone through with it, and then he would have regretted it,
and he wouldn't have known how to get out of
it because she'd already moved in. So now what And
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yet it's very easy to just put it all on
Petra's shoulders. And so that's exactly what his girlfriend does
She had come into this room and spotted Petra like
stashing a book in a suspicious way, so she, when
she decides to get revenge on Petra, goes in and
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takes that book and sends it to the police and
tells them they should reopen the investigation. And she sends it,
by the way, with the weirdest little pop up card
that I was like, what is this? Have we this
maybe like in a previous episode it's made been explained
and I just had forgotten because it's been a while.
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But is she like a children's book illustrator or something
like what does she do? Because this felt so weird
and specific, and I was like really baffled by the
intricacy of the props that she brought to this little
hit attempt, you know. But anyway, and this book, it's
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a really strange thing because we had seen how Raphael
didn't want to fire this guy that he had hired
because he had met him inside, and Raphael has a
lot of sympathy for how difficult it is to get
hired anywhere when you're a convict, and he's like telling Petra,
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I'll find something for him, just let me deal with it,
so he says, I'll put him on maintenance. And when
Petra has this date, he alerts his friend and says
she'll be out of her room. So Patrick comes back
unexpectedly because she forgot her cell phone, and she finds
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this guy stashing a journal that appears to be full
of like evidence in the vent of her room, which
I don't know why you would put it there. What
is the point of this? What is this? I have
so many questions, and by the end of the episode,
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she hasn't mentioned it to anybody, so I don't know
if she thinks that Rafael is even in on it.
I'm not sure what conclusions she's jumping to here, but
suffice to say, like Raphael is up to something. I
just don't know what it is, because it looks like
an attempt to frame her for something, and she doesn't
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exactly like she takes it out of the vent, but
she puts it in a drawer, which if you're worried
about being framed, you would put it somewhere that a
search wouldn't find it, And she doesn't do that, so
I'm not sure what. I really don't know what Petra
thinks is going on here. Really really curious about that
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whole thing. And in addition to all of this, Petra
is trying to make it work with the guy across
the way who owns the hotel. That it's the Gator guy, right,
and she does something that I breathed such a sigh
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of relief over. Y'all, you do not even understand. She
decides to tell him the truth about this body and
that she shoved the bones to his side of the property,
and he gets angry about it, fair, but I was
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so relieved that she just tells him. This is the
sort of thing that I feel like a previous season
would have dragged this out so bad, and I was
just very very glad that we didn't do this like
back and forth with her keeping it from him until
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they're way more serious, and then she brings it up
and they were so happy, But now it's all destroyed.
Like I really didn't want to watch that whole process
spin out, And granted, it's driving a wedge between them
right now, but I was I have a lot more
faith that he will get over it and that they
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can pick up when she tells him this early on
into things, you know, and she like the initial reason
that he thinks she's being weird around him is because
he thinks she is embarrassed of him, which it turns
out isn't untrue. She actually just straight up admits this
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to Raphael and then later to the guy himself, and
she I like, it's a combination of things. It's sort
of funny to me because the thing is, guys, look,
is he sort of crass? Yes? Does he have like
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a vibe to him that is very Florida, Sure, But
he is also a rich man who is extraordinarily attractive.
And so I have a bit of a hard time
with this plot point of her being embarrassed of him,
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because even with the like personality thing, he's just such
a fucking catch on so many levels that it just
makes him a little eccentric in a way that would
be appealing to most people and doesn't count against him
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in my book at all. So it's really like her
being embarrassed of him. I understand the way that we're
playing this is much more about Petra than it is
about him. That she is so uptight. She has such
a narrow view of like the kind of guy that
she should be with, and I do get that. But
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he's just so. He checks so many very important boxes
so thoroughly pun intended that it's difficult for me to
believe that even with those things that she would be embarrassed.
He doesn't behave in any direction quite strongly enough for
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me to buy it. You know, he never does anything
too extreme. He doesn't even dress very loudly. There's a look,
but it's not even like that over the top. So
I feel like they just haven't really gone quite far
enough with him yet. And I say yet, I really
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should say they haven't gone quite far with him to
begin with. It just doesn't really feel like it hits,
you know. And maybe that's because this isn't going to
be an ongoing issue and it's just a thing for
like this episode, and it won't really come up again,
and that's possible. But I just wanted to share how
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I felt about it, because I get that I'm supposed
to see it a certain way. It just doesn't really
you know, this guy is just like Hollywood, gorgeous and
obviously really wealthy. What more is there when it's Petra,
I would really feel like, you know, come on. So
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so anyway, I'm kind of thinking that we're going to
be able to work this out between the two of them.
We shall see, But I'm not even like that invested
in the two of them, So even if they don't
work it out, I don't care that much. To be
perfectly honest, it's fine. I would like Petra to be happy,
because I have grown to like her a lot better,
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but I'm not particularly sold on these two specifically, when
she tells him what she did, she says, you have
to understand this hotel means everything to me. And he says,
but you were willing to destroy mine and she says, no,
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I would have told before it got to that point,
and he says something like yeah, and I bet they
all would have believed you. And I think that's really
the most important point to make, is like, if you
decided to suddenly come forward and be like, Okay, it's
gone too far, I actually push it onto his side,
it is very much going to read like you're just
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covering for him, especially if the two of you have
been seen out together. Of course, people are going to
feel like you're involved with him, so you have a
vested interest in covering for him due to your connection. Now,
and you know she wasn't thinking about that I really
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understand how Petra is feeling, and I get why he's angry,
but also after everything Petra has been through, of course
I can't help but sympathize with her more than him,
and that might not be fair. I don't really know
that much about him, so maybe if I heard his
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life story, I would be like, wow, Petra, that was
fucked up. But like from where I'm sitting right now,
I'm just sort of, yeah, well, you know, win some,
lose some, but keep going, Petra, get over it, dude.
So now I'm going to jump over to what's going
on with Rojaleo. The previous episode was when this big
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reveal happened that that Rohealeo actually did approve the editing
of this certain scene to make it look bad for Shamara,
even though he promised her he had nothing to do
with it. And when we start this episode, she's still
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not speaking to him. He's doing the thing last episode
where he's just like giving out gift baskets to say
he's sorry to like everybody and not understanding why it
isn't working this time, and we eventually get a like
a really decent apology of him saying I realized I
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think I wanted to hurt you because I was jealous
of you and Bruce. But it doesn't really, it doesn't
change the fact that she feels how she feels and
doesn't want to have anything to do with him at
this point because she feels like she can't trust him anymore.
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So what we get in this episode, which was it
was a really interesting way to play this. I keep
wanting to say, Raphael Rajalio quits the reality show The
de la Vega Factor, and he is in a contract,
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so he has to find a lawyer to represent him
to get out of this contract, and Bruce himself is
a lawyer, and he really has a strong reaction when
he finds out that Rohalio's approach is going to be
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to shame the production itself and basically make it like
everybody there was underhanded and I didn't want to be
a part of this like toxic culture. He understands like
why one would take that approach, but he feels it's
really risky. Rahelio, predictably to me, he feels so wronged
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by this whole thing that I'm sure coming at them
in this with this energy feels like really fair and
appropriate to him because he's just like, well, yeah, they
fucked me over. They're bad people, they should be shamed.
And you know, it's one of those things where it's like,
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maybe that's true, but is that the smart thing to
do right now? And eventually he begins to realize it isn't,
but it's almost too late, like the ball has started
rolling already, because they agreed to settle on his Like
the suit had been for like ten million dollars or
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something like that, so they settle on that, but they
eventually do a count or they sue him again. I
was gonna say countersuit, but it's not because he wasn't
suing them in the first place about essentially like defamation.
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There was a clause in the contract that said he
wasn't going to talk shit like this, and then he
goes and does this exact thing. So it wouldn't have
happened if his lawyer didn't do the approach that he did.
And it also, it's not explicitly said, but there's like
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a very straw likelihood that the lawyer took this approach
knowing that they would sue him again for a different thing,
simply wanting more of his business. So you can just
keep bringing money out of this guy because one lawsuit
after another, you know, and he decides, finally, I made
(44:20):
a mistake. Sorry, Pippen decided to shake himself very loudly,
but he decides to ask Bruce officially to be his lawyer.
What he doesn't realize when he decides to do this
is that he's interrupting Bruce's proposal to Shamara. It's actually
(44:45):
a really funny scene. I think I like both the
fact that Bruce isn't getting angry about this. He's just like,
oh Jesus, this guy, like he's trying so hard to
not be angry that I really appreciate it. And also
the uh, the fact that Rahelleo has grown to respect Bruce,
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because there's a scene where Bruce is mediating between both
Rahelio and Chamara. And I really liked getting to see
this side of Bruce because he's somebody who, you know,
I couldn't help but have a certain reaction to based
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on a lot of the same things that caused Jane
to have the reaction she had hearing about the fact
that he had been married and that they had this like,
you know, the weird breakup and that he wouldn't leave
his wife and the whole like way this all went down.
I just had a very very specific idea about him
and who he was. And I liked that this episode
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gives us more of Bruce in a way that I
feel like I've gotten to know him. I've gotten to
understand what his skills are as a lawyer. I feel
like there's a the fact that he is prioritizing Chaumara
and Rohelio becoming friends again, it really shows how unthreatened
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he is by her friendship with her ex, which is
a major deal. Like a lot of men, they are
not going to react well to you being friends with
an ex in the first place, never mind want to
facilitate a you guys like becoming friends again after a
major fight. So the fact that he is so interested
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in making sure that she is happy and thus everybody
is happy, it's just a really like it speaks well
for him, and so I find myself coming away from
this episode liking Bruce a lot more. And I think
that that was a a very smart way to play
that plot point, and now the fact that they're getting married,
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I can be like fully on board with it. I
don't again really care about it too much, Like, this
is the sort of thing that I fully expect to
not happen. This wedding is probably going to be a
lot of planning a whole thing, and then something is
going to blow up somehow. You know, That's fine. I,
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like I said, I'm not like either way, I don't care.
I am just glad that I like Bruce enough to
give a little cheer when she finally decides to accept
his proposal. So that's pretty much everything with Hilio. I'm
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going to double back and finish talking about Jane in
the context of this book that she is writing. So
she has a conversation with Raphael about the fact that
she doesn't really respect male authority figures the way that
she does women, and the show gives us a real
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quick montage of all of the women that she has
worked for up to this point and how that is
very true actually, and she denies it, of course, But
then we see her go to see her editor and
he comes in and he is very broie. He just
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has an approach to talking to her about the book.
It's so extreme that, like I really want to point out,
it's not even so much that he seems like a
frat boy so much as that he just seems really unprofessional,
and eventually, when they have their second conversation, he sort
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of tightens up a little bit and you see more
of his actual competence coming out. But initially there's a
real sense for me of just like, how did this
guy even get this job? You know? And he tells
her that there's a part in the middle of the
book where it really gets slow and that she needs
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to add something there, and he makes a off the
cuff suggestion. As we find out later it's not something
that he's given a lot of thought to, but she
sort of zeros in on it, and he lets her
take it and run with it because he thinks this
is what she wants. So she's like spends a lot
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of this episode looking at different characters and trying to
add different moments of silly drama. And it's very fun
because we have each of the actors of her actual
real life playing characters in her book and then looking
at her and talking to her like, what is this,
(49:58):
what are you even doing? I really liked especially the
one with Petra where she just keeps saying, why would
I help a floozy like you, and she just says
it over and over because Jane can't think of anything
else for her to say. I just thought that one
was actually really funny. But eventually she just hits a wall.
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She's like, I can't like it feels so forced to
try and insert these obstacles here, like there's too much
because what he had said was there needs to be
another obstacle. And she goes back to him and tells
him I don't think that we're a good fit, and
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he's like, oh bummer, what happened? And she says, well,
you wanted me to insert all these obstacles, and you know,
I just don't feel right doing such and such because
she loved him, And he stops her here and says, wait,
she loved him. That didn't come through at all, And
(51:05):
I thought that was interesting. I kind of wondered if
she was going to get like offended by that. But
later on we see her talking to her grandmother and
her grandmother like she's saying to her, I don't feel
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comfortable expanding on her love of a character that is
representing Raphael because it feels like a betrayal of Michael.
So then it becomes very clear why it didn't come
through at all. She was actively holding back on that
plot point because she felt really conflicted about even including
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that and made their split a little too easy because
she doesn't like to remember how in love with Raphael
she had been. And I really liked this as a
story point for her because this is just the reality
of what we do with grief and with memory is
we clean things up, you know, we make it so
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that a lot of stuff is more cut and dried
in our memory than it ever was in real life
because we're ashamed of how we reacted to something because
things went a totally different direction, and we like to
pretend we knew it would go that way all along,
you know, like you name it. There's all kinds of
reasons why people change up what actually went down, and
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this made a lot of sense to me. It was
sort of like it was one of those things that
felt like a writer for the show had maybe gone
through this themselves and just really knew what it was
like to find yourself like pulling back for bad reasons.
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In the end, as it turns out, so she rewrites
that aspect of it. She decides that, yeah, you know
what I think I do need to lean into this more.
And her grandmother is just like, hey, Michael would want
you to write the best book that you could. He
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wouldn't want you to hold back on things because of him,
like you know. And if there's one thing we know
was that Michael was such a cheerleader for her with
her career. This is completely true and it resonates for
her definitely when her grandmother says this. So yeah, I
just I liked this both as a plot issue with
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her wanting to honor Michael and having her grief still
sort of getting in the way of things a little
bit here. And I also liked it in terms of
her realizing that the way her editor communicated to her
wasn't as it wasn't what she thought. She had simply
(54:13):
misunderstood him. So this doesn't mean that they are not
a good match. It just means that they need to
talk things through a little bit more, and that he
is actually interested in hearing her suggestions and opinions on things.
He isn't just trying to force her to like change
things up, because understandably she can be a bit sensitive
about that. So yeah, I really thought this was like
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a nice bit of growth for her for her career
as a writer. Oh no, I'm so sorry. I came
back to the chat and Rowan says, the stream keeps
freezing for me. Ah, I'm sorry. This is not an
unheard of issue either. I wish I knew what caused it. Guys,
I'm sorry. So I'm trying to remember who all if
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I've talked about everybody. I'm gonna run back through the
episode real quick as I'm talking to y'all and just
see if there are any plot points that I The
whole way that this, uh, the moments in the book
are written are very fun because we have our characters
on screen in these other costumes with this, like Sepia
(55:25):
tint over everything, and I just there, like there's the
moment in the Monte Carlo room where it then goes
back in time to this moment in her book, and
it just seems so inert, Like the Monte Carlo room
has so many people in it, and they're like so
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excitedly laughing and looking at things and pointing, and then
you know, going back, there's like four people in the
room and they're all just standing there staring, and I
was like, yeah, this is not feeling like anything. I
feel like this is all very purposely staged this way
to make it clear. None of this that she's writing
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really feels natural. You know that it's all forced, and
I think that's a smart little storytelling device I'm trying
to I feel like I pretty much talked about everybody.
Is there anything that I have missed here? Yeah, I've
gone through it all. I'm like, that's about it. I
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can't believe that I'm under time. I really didn't expect
that considering how the like there. It felt like it
was very packed this episode. There's probably like a couple
of little jokes that I did miss but but yeah,
I feel like I hate saying this killing michael Off
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was the right thing to do. I hate it, but
it's really causing a lot of like wrong growth for
Jane in a direction that like only extreme loss can
do and finding ways around that. There's a moment in
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this I think it's this episode where she sees like
a stuffed giraffe and she had had a panic attack
in response to seeing a giraffe in the previous episode
because it was in the coloring book, and here she
sees it. It just has a little like wistful moment
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and it doesn't hit her like a ton of bricks
like it had been. So that's nice. You know, she's
beginning to climb out of everything being so unbelievably painful
like it had been, and that shit takes a while.
You know, it's been two years, they say, like at
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this point, it takes a long time. So I just
liked that moment of it still causes her to stop
and look at it and be arrested for a moment,
but it doesn't feel like she's been socked in the
stomach and doubled over crying. It's just oh, Michael, well
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and then you move on. So yeah, all right, I'm
going to wrap this one up, but thank you again
Italiana for commissioning this one. Appreciate you and everybody who
is listening. Hope you're enjoying the coverage, and until next time,
total motherfuckers. That was an unspoiled Network podcast.
This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me
covering Jane the Virgin, Season three, Chapter fifty seven. Wait
season three, episode thirteen, Chapter fifty seven, Every time, guys,
(00:24):
I'll get it ready someday. In this episode, Jane has
to make some changes to her novel and it turns
out that they're not all bad, and I am very
interested in what the hell is going on with Raphael
(00:44):
what is he doing? Welcome to spoil Me, Welcome to
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the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very much
to Natalia for commissioning this episode. Natalia, if you're out there,
appreciate you. And thank you to Rowan, who is in
the chat with me today. I'm so excited to be
back with Jane the Virgin. It's been a minute and
I just really you, guys, this show is so wild.
(01:31):
I actually wound up because I had a little extra
time today. I rewatched the second half of the previous
episode just to refresh myself on what was going on,
and then came back and watched this one. So I
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feel like I'm on steadier ground than I often do
when I've been apart from a property for a little while.
And this show is just so delightful. I have such
a good time with it, and I feel like i've
been There's been a few things that have been sort
of like, I've spotted the actress who plays Jane a
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few different places, and so the show has been on
my mind a little bit due to seeing her in
some different spots. She's been on will Trent, which if
any of you watch that show, that's a police procedural,
but it's a little bit more personal than some of
them are. And then the actor who plays Rafael, there's
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been like this whole thing going on. I can't remember
if it's is it Blake Lively. There's something going on
with him being accused of sexual harassment. Maybe it is,
I don't know, but he doesn't come out looking great
on it. Suffice to say, the actors have been in
the mix around me, and every time I see them,
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I'm just like, oh man, I haven't covered Jane in
so long. So let's get it going, shall we we?
This This episode is about a few things overall, but
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I feel like the thing that I want to talk
about first is what's going on with Mateo. Because Jeane,
she has this like understandable insecurity surrounding Mateo, and I
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totally get this based on the way that shit has
been going on in the last few episodes and his
behavior has been all over the place. You would not
only just be like kind of embarrassed of his behavior,
but also very much doubting yourself and your own abilities
as a parent due to that, especially when you are
(04:02):
around I just love the twist that it turns out
that Petra's kids are these like absolutely precious little angels.
It's very it's a very fun direction to take all
of this in, honestly, But what's happening in these scenes
(04:23):
where she is bringing him to this school that Petra
has gotten him into and she is trying to find
an aid that will stay with him throughout the day
and make sure that he doesn't give the teacher too
much trouble. There is a sense throughout this that the
people who are interacting with her on it have an
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ulterior motive or tone to what they say due to
them being women and Jane feeling like women communicate in
an entirely different way, and it's a mean girl thing
that Raphael wouldn't pick up on. And that's like a
recurring thing for this one is that Jane trusts women
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authority figures more than men and just generally has a
mistrust of like men's takes on things, which is absolutely
one valid and I do kind of appreciate that, even
though she winds up coming around to the editor that
she's working with for her book, it's not like completely
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discounted out of hand that she has the right to
feel this way. So it starts off with this woman.
I think her name is Jessica, and I'm trying to
remember what I have seen her in before, but she's
a black woman with this bob and she's really like
very fashionable looking. And there's a point later on where
(05:57):
they're having this Monte Carlo themed fun and this woman
is like at one of the roulette tables, laughing, and
she straight up looks like she's in a casino commercial.
Like I live near a casino because I'm at the
very top edge of Texas, so I'm on the border
of Oklahoma. You drive ten minutes north of me, and
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there are two different casinos, and so I see billboards
for this all the time, and she just looks exactly
like she is from one of those billboards in that moment.
So there's like a certain glossy glamour to her that
I could certainly see being intimidating just out of the gate.
And then she says something about, you know, like just
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the challenge of Matteo. But she says it in such
a way that Jane takes it, maybe not the wrong way,
but she does take it like to heart in a
way that Raphael feels is jumping the gun a little bit.
Raphael is really careful. I think he's he's not trying
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to dismiss what Jane thinks. He's trying to reassure her.
But Jane insists, like this is a mean girl thing,
and so you don't get it. And eventually she runs
into that same woman talking to I think like the
head mistress of the school, somebody who has a very
(07:28):
important position here, and overhears them talking in a way
that she interprets as really critical of Mateo, but which
we find out is Jessica being worried about taking on
an entire bus full of kids on this field trip
without any other parent with her. So she's just understandably
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like worried about being overwhelmed and not being able to
handle this whole thing. And when Jane jumps down their
throats about this, and it's proven she misunderstood, and also
the person she snapped on is important. It's very funny,
you guys, because the scene is so awkward and she's
trying to like talk her way out of it. And
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as it's happening, I literally dropped my gaze from the
screen because I couldn't take it. And just as I
do that, the narrator says, I know I can't watch either,
And I felt so called out instly. It was such
a great little moment. I literally like started giggling because
(08:34):
he just was I'm not joking, you guys. The timing
of it was so on point, it was uncanny. It
freaked me out. So anyway, she is she really likes
this Aid, and she says to her son, isn't she great?
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Because this Aid very firmly positions herself on Jane's side
and says about, how you know, Jessica's kind of a
snot or something like that, Basically the sort of thing
where if you agree that you dislike the same person
that somebody else dislikes, now you're allies and that's just
like a done deal. But she doesn't realize at the
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time that when she says isn't she great to Mateo,
that Matteo isn't giving her his honest response. He is
telling her what she he thinks she wants to hear.
And it's not until later that she finds out he
actually doesn't like this woman. He says that she's on
her phone all the time and that she takes tons
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of pictures of herself and that she's just not really engaged,
you know. So at this point Jane is sort of
trying to find a way to get herself back into
the good graces of the women at this school, and
Petra especially because like Jane is talking to Raphael about
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this and that this fuck up could really screw things
up for Mateo, and Raphael is like, what are they
going to do to Mateo? And then of course Petra
strolls in and she's like, well, they could give him
the shitty teacher, which is absolutely what they will do
and confirms all of Jane's worst fears. So she is like, Jane,
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there's going to be a meeting about this fundraiser. You're
going to be there and we will find a way
for you to make good. And also it reflects on
me because I'm the one who vouched for you, so
I have a vested interest in making sure that you
go back to making a good impression. So they go
to this thing, and Jane, everybody has a contribution of
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an item of some great value, Laker's tickets, like I
think they said, like court side, somebody else has Beyonce
tickets that they are going to be using for the raffle.
So they are all really doing something here, and Jane
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just feels pressured to say anything, and so she blurts out,
what if we did such and such instead of this
fountain and the way that it's sort of set up
is like, initially, bad move, Jane, you don't understand this
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woman loves fountains. But really what the problem is is
what then, I think Jessica says next, which is I
think we should stick with the layout that we decided
on a month ago. And that was my first thought was, like, Jane,
it is obviously way too late in the game for
you to be suggesting major changes to the way the
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whole setup is going to go. I get that you
think you're being clever with like a cost saving measure,
but these are not people who worry about that kind
of thing the way that you're going to worry about it.
It's just a different culture at a school like this
with people like this, So you're being worried in this
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regard isn't going to be taken well. And it's way
too late to bring up something that is this big
a change. So I was just like, instantly as she
started talking, I was just like, oh no, because I
fucking knew it was, you know. And indeed everybody is
sort of looking askance at her. And we have the
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Casino Night Happen Monte Carlo theme, and honestly, the place
looks incredible. It's amazing. And Jane is assigned to selling
raffle tickets and when she excitedly announces that she sold
twelve raffle tickets, the woman is so distressed because nest year,
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at this same time, we had sold fifty raffle tickets. Ah, Jane,
She's trying so hard, and it's just and she keeps
asking everybody who goes by if they want one, but
half the time it's somebody who's already bought one. She's
not really doing a great job on selling things. And
I did notice that the setup here isn't great because
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they need more obvious like displays of what is on
offer for the raffle. I feel like we need like
a big poster a Beyonce, you know, we need like
a jersey for the Lakers or something like this, Like
we need to make it clearer how awesome the prizes are.
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A person just being like, do you want a raffle ticket?
It's not selling, But I digress. So like there's a
whole thing that goes wrong with the kitchen staff, not
having enough glasses, not having enough bus boys. I think
they say they don't have any bussers. And so Jane
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tries to ask these women to help her wash dishes,
and they look at her like she has grown another head.
And she decides she's going to take it upon herself
to go in back and do this with a couple
of other people. And then I'm gonna keep calling her
the head mistress because I can't remember what her actual
title is. But she turns up and Jane finally has
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like a better moment where she gets to really open
up to this lady about how her insecurities around parenting
are causing her to lash out at people and take
things the wrong way that she's working on it. She
recognizes this isn't a great look and just give a
(14:54):
really serious apology, and it's a nice little like, you know,
she's not trying to do something superficial to get things,
like to get in good in another direction, she's addressing
the actual issue one on one in a very personal
way that I felt like was a lot more appropriate
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than the way she was approaching things. It's very funny
because like the way that she was approaching things isn't
necessarily a bad approach, but it's one hundred percent more
Petra's approach. You know, Petra's going to be the one
that does it that way, and it would work for
her because that's the way she operates. And so her
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trying to like come up with certain ideas and sweeten
the pot and make herself seem invaluable, it's just much
more natural for somebody like Petra, and it doesn't come
off as so nakedly self serving. It's like, you know
that it's self serving, but she's so competent that you
kind of just let that go. But Jane doesn't know
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how to not make it obvious what it is she's doing,
you know, which is fine, it's just not her area.
So they have this like, you know, pretty good moment
where it feels like she's cleared the air a little bit,
and then she goes and talks again to the AID briefly,
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and this aid winds up completely pouring out all of
this dirt on Jessica, her kid being in like a
facility for like behavioral issues, that her husband has cheated
on her like three times in the last month alone,
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all of this like really personal, humiliating stuff, and you
can see Jane's face falling, and I was sort of like,
as I was watching the scene, I wondered if what
Jane was experiencing here was the feeling of like, oh,
this woman that I was so worried about, turns out
she has her own, like major issues that she's dealing with,
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and I wasn't considering that in the mix, you know,
I was just sort of like so focused on my
own shortcomings that I didn't really consider that maybe she
has the same insecurities and she has the same concerns.
So I thought that was it. But like later on,
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when she's talking to Rafael, she says, I just it
was super inappropriate the way that she was gossiping about
everybody else and decides to let this aid go. And
I really loved this. Just look, it's it's I'm not
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going to pretend that I am not somebody who loves mess.
Upon occasion, I really am going to be that that
you come to with your gossip, and I won't pretend
I'm not. But there's a time and place, and most
of the time when I'm into the drama and the
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mess is when it is something that otherwise I have
like zero involvement in whatsoever. I don't I'm too old
to want to be involved in mess in a place
that I work or frequent in any way, because anytime
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that you start to go down that road, it will
bite you. It's just you know. So the only kinds
of drama that I let myself really indulge in are
on the internet, when it's like a celebrity thing or
some goofy shit on TikTok or whatever. You know. That's
when I really am like, oh, have fun, have a
little treat, well, indulge in this gossip, you know. But
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otherwise I am I'm just too old for this. I
just don't care. I have reached a point in my
life where I like also am so acutely aware of
how many people out there are just trying to do
their best that I know I personally have been in
a place where you could have talked cash shit about
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me many times and I would have deserved it. So
because I know people in glass houses like I don't
want to engage because I am very keenly I have
a very very good memory for the shit that I
pulled throughout my life, and if somebody wanted to throw
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that in my face, they could. And I just the
idea of just not wanting to like work with this
woman because of the way that she gossips. It makes
a lot of sense. And it's interesting the way that
things go a little bit later because Jane goes, she's
like walking to her car and she runs into Jessica,
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who is like, I can't believe you told people about
my kid that aid I know that she told you,
and then you had to run your mouth, And I
appreciated that. Jane isn't like she doesn't let herself get
angry right away. She just very quickly kind of cuts
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in and is like, I never said a word because
I would never, but I think you're right. It was her,
and that is why I let her go and kind
of takes the wind out of Jessica sales altogether. And
it's just this is something that I have actually run into.
There was it was such a weird thing where it
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happened twice with the same person, and when it happened
the second time, I just finally came to the realization that, like,
for whatever reason, this person just does not trust me
and I haven't done anything to deserve that, but I think,
I mean, I have to accept that's what it is.
But they overheard like something, and they thought that I
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had like h like told on them about the fact
that they were seeing somebody that they were working with,
and I hadn't told on them, and I hadn't used
their name. It was the person that she had started
seeing was engaged to another person that we were working with.
So I simply told the person that he was engaged to,
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you cannot marry this guy. He is cheating on you,
Like nobody is going to tell you, but this is
my last day at this job, and I will tell you.
Don't do it. And it wasn't. I didn't tell her.
I never said her name. It was simply that it
was so obvious who he was cheating with that she
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was able to like leap to her own conclusion I
had nothing to do with it. And then I so
I explained that to her, and she like kind of
hype down and you know, but then again another time
where somebody else like brought up something and I jumped
in and defended her, and then later on she's like,
I can't believe you said blank blank blank, and it
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was literally everything that the guy had said that I refuted,
And I was like, Michelle, I didn't say any of
those things. Eric said all of those things, and I
explained these mitigating circumstances and she was like, oh, okay,
well thanks, I guess I'm sorry. And I really like
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it was that moment of me going, wow, she really
must not think very much of me, because she keeps
taking whoever's word for it on whatever it is. You know,
it was just it was It's very saddening because you
think that you're doing the right thing on a person,
and like, I wouldn't change what I did, but to
know that she was so willing to believe the worst,
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and especially from whoever told her having like their own
weird reasons for blaming me or like trying to put
it on me. It's it's a bummer to feel like
you are trying so hard to not get rolled into
all of this dirt and then somebody just shoves you
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into it and you don't have any choice because even
when you defend yourself believably and it seems like that
person understands, there's still this weird taint to it where
you feel like now you're marked as somebody who's like
even tangentially in the mix with the drama, and it
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just makes it so that next time it's all the
easier for it to stick when somebody decides to accuse
you of another thing. So anyway, these sorts of situations
suck ass. And Jessica apologizes and it's clear like she's
feeling the exact way that Jane felt the other day,
and she's suddenly having a little bit more sympathy for
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the fact that Jane was so embarrassed and like so insecure,
and it's just, I don't know, it's like, eventually, this
this whole thing with Matteo needing an aid and this
school and everything, it's an interesting vein to tap because
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I know that Jane. She's actually, in a lot of
ways very like me in terms of how she is
really working class, but she is around people with money
a lot, and so she's weirdly part of this world
but not actually at home in it. So she's rubbing
(24:50):
elbows at the resort because of working at the resort
and being the baby mama of the owner of the resort.
But it's not like she wealthy. It's not like she's
the boss until she is. And when she's at this school,
you know she's here because Petra got her in, and
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I'm assuming Raphael is the one like paying for the schooling.
She would never be able to be a part of
this place if it weren't for who the baby's daddy is,
And so it puts her in this odd position where
she is surrounded by people that are what she is
aspiring to provide for her kid. And I don't fault
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her for that at all. I completely get it. But
also there's like a culture with all of this that
I don't think she really understands fully, And again I
don't fault her for not understanding it, it's just I
think that Petra needs to walk her through it. A
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bit more. Petra seems to believe like Jeane's smart and
she you know, handled things, she'll get it. And I
feel like Petra really underestimates the like what's the word
I want learning curve or maybe I just think that
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she assumes this is about intelligence and it's not. There's
a whole other, weird, subtle layer to navigating spaces with
people who have this sort of social culture, and Jane
is going to have to get more used to it
because as he gets older, Mateo is not only going
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to be at these schools, He's going to be having
more of these friends. He's going to be dating people
in these echelons, and you know, eventually there will be
college and all of this stuff, and she's just going
to get more and more involved in it. And I
want her to be more well versed in the sort
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of like passive aggressive warfare thing, you know. So okay, okay, okay,
now backing up, let's see who we talk to. Oh right, Okay,
So Raphael has this whole thing going on this episode
where his girlfriend wants to move in with him and
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he can't decide what to do. This is one of
those things where it's like, so very clear what the
deal is, and he gets there eventually, but the girlfriend
understandably interprets his choice a certain way. So what it
is is he doesn't have chemistry with her. He doesn't
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see things really going anywhere. And it's very obvious for
us as viewers that it's been set up this way,
because there's this constant, recurring joke about how the camera
forgets she's there, the narration forgets she's there, and we
as an audience member, didn't even know she was there
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until the camera suddenly jerks to the side and she's
sitting there, smiling and being a part of things sort of.
And so it's no surprise whatsoever to us that he's
realizing this isn't anything. Actually, she's just not really a
part of things. She's not factored in. But the way
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that it winds up shaking out is at first he's
telling himself, Yeah, you know what, I'm gonna go for it.
I'm gonna have her move in because they've reached a
stage in the relationship where he feels like this is inevitable,
they're going to have to do this, and it's not
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a good reason, but frankly, it is the reason that
many people do what they do. This is not unusual
at all. So he writes this down on a card
in his pocket, making it irrefutable later that he had
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planned on doing it and changed his mind. And then
at this event, Petra has too much to drink. It's
very funny, actually, and she blurts out to him, it's
obvious that you don't want to move in with her,
so just don't. And from the other side of the room,
his girlfriend is watching this, so she sees this as
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Petra's fault, and you know, like kinda it's not really
at all. It's just Petra like spelling out for him
what is obviously true, but is a conclusion that he
might not have come to so quickly. I think that really,
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And this is the thing with like this sort of
situation so often, and he probably if he hadn't been
talked to by Petra in this way, he would have
gone through with it, and then he would have regretted it,
and he wouldn't have known how to get out of
it because she'd already moved in. So now what And
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yet it's very easy to just put it all on
Petra's shoulders. And so that's exactly what his girlfriend does
She had come into this room and spotted Petra like
stashing a book in a suspicious way, so she, when
she decides to get revenge on Petra, goes in and
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takes that book and sends it to the police and
tells them they should reopen the investigation. And she sends it,
by the way, with the weirdest little pop up card
that I was like, what is this? Have we this
maybe like in a previous episode it's made been explained
and I just had forgotten because it's been a while.
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But is she like a children's book illustrator or something
like what does she do? Because this felt so weird
and specific, and I was like really baffled by the
intricacy of the props that she brought to this little
hit attempt, you know. But anyway, and this book, it's
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a really strange thing because we had seen how Raphael
didn't want to fire this guy that he had hired
because he had met him inside, and Raphael has a
lot of sympathy for how difficult it is to get
hired anywhere when you're a convict, and he's like telling Petra,
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I'll find something for him, just let me deal with it,
so he says, I'll put him on maintenance. And when
Petra has this date, he alerts his friend and says
she'll be out of her room. So Patrick comes back
unexpectedly because she forgot her cell phone, and she finds
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this guy stashing a journal that appears to be full
of like evidence in the vent of her room, which
I don't know why you would put it there. What
is the point of this? What is this? I have
so many questions, and by the end of the episode,
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she hasn't mentioned it to anybody, so I don't know
if she thinks that Rafael is even in on it.
I'm not sure what conclusions she's jumping to here, but
suffice to say, like Raphael is up to something. I
just don't know what it is, because it looks like
an attempt to frame her for something, and she doesn't
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exactly like she takes it out of the vent, but
she puts it in a drawer, which if you're worried
about being framed, you would put it somewhere that a
search wouldn't find it, And she doesn't do that, so
I'm not sure what. I really don't know what Petra
thinks is going on here. Really really curious about that
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whole thing. And in addition to all of this, Petra
is trying to make it work with the guy across
the way who owns the hotel. That it's the Gator guy, right,
and she does something that I breathed such a sigh
(33:37):
of relief over. Y'all, you do not even understand. She
decides to tell him the truth about this body and
that she shoved the bones to his side of the property,
and he gets angry about it, fair, but I was
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so relieved that she just tells him. This is the
sort of thing that I feel like a previous season
would have dragged this out so bad, and I was
just very very glad that we didn't do this like
back and forth with her keeping it from him until
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they're way more serious, and then she brings it up
and they were so happy, But now it's all destroyed.
Like I really didn't want to watch that whole process
spin out, And granted, it's driving a wedge between them
right now, but I was I have a lot more
faith that he will get over it and that they
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can pick up when she tells him this early on
into things, you know, and she like the initial reason
that he thinks she's being weird around him is because
he thinks she is embarrassed of him, which it turns
out isn't untrue. She actually just straight up admits this
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to Raphael and then later to the guy himself, and
she I like, it's a combination of things. It's sort
of funny to me because the thing is, guys, look,
is he sort of crass? Yes? Does he have like
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a vibe to him that is very Florida, Sure, But
he is also a rich man who is extraordinarily attractive.
And so I have a bit of a hard time
with this plot point of her being embarrassed of him,
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because even with the like personality thing, he's just such
a fucking catch on so many levels that it just
makes him a little eccentric in a way that would
be appealing to most people and doesn't count against him
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in my book at all. So it's really like her
being embarrassed of him. I understand the way that we're
playing this is much more about Petra than it is
about him. That she is so uptight. She has such
a narrow view of like the kind of guy that
she should be with, and I do get that. But
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he's just so. He checks so many very important boxes
so thoroughly pun intended that it's difficult for me to
believe that even with those things that she would be embarrassed.
He doesn't behave in any direction quite strongly enough for
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me to buy it. You know, he never does anything
too extreme. He doesn't even dress very loudly. There's a look,
but it's not even like that over the top. So
I feel like they just haven't really gone quite far
enough with him yet. And I say yet, I really
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should say they haven't gone quite far with him to
begin with. It just doesn't really feel like it hits,
you know. And maybe that's because this isn't going to
be an ongoing issue and it's just a thing for
like this episode, and it won't really come up again,
and that's possible. But I just wanted to share how
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I felt about it, because I get that I'm supposed
to see it a certain way. It just doesn't really
you know, this guy is just like Hollywood, gorgeous and
obviously really wealthy. What more is there when it's Petra,
I would really feel like, you know, come on. So
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so anyway, I'm kind of thinking that we're going to
be able to work this out between the two of them.
We shall see, But I'm not even like that invested
in the two of them, So even if they don't
work it out, I don't care that much. To be
perfectly honest, it's fine. I would like Petra to be happy,
because I have grown to like her a lot better,
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but I'm not particularly sold on these two specifically, when
she tells him what she did, she says, you have
to understand this hotel means everything to me. And he says,
but you were willing to destroy mine and she says, no,
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I would have told before it got to that point,
and he says something like yeah, and I bet they
all would have believed you. And I think that's really
the most important point to make, is like, if you
decided to suddenly come forward and be like, Okay, it's
gone too far, I actually push it onto his side,
it is very much going to read like you're just
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covering for him, especially if the two of you have
been seen out together. Of course, people are going to
feel like you're involved with him, so you have a
vested interest in covering for him due to your connection. Now,
and you know she wasn't thinking about that I really
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understand how Petra is feeling, and I get why he's angry,
but also after everything Petra has been through, of course
I can't help but sympathize with her more than him,
and that might not be fair. I don't really know
that much about him, so maybe if I heard his
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life story, I would be like, wow, Petra, that was
fucked up. But like from where I'm sitting right now,
I'm just sort of, yeah, well, you know, win some,
lose some, but keep going, Petra, get over it, dude.
So now I'm going to jump over to what's going
on with Rojaleo. The previous episode was when this big
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reveal happened that that Rohealeo actually did approve the editing
of this certain scene to make it look bad for Shamara,
even though he promised her he had nothing to do
with it. And when we start this episode, she's still
(40:38):
not speaking to him. He's doing the thing last episode
where he's just like giving out gift baskets to say
he's sorry to like everybody and not understanding why it
isn't working this time, and we eventually get a like
a really decent apology of him saying I realized I
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think I wanted to hurt you because I was jealous
of you and Bruce. But it doesn't really, it doesn't
change the fact that she feels how she feels and
doesn't want to have anything to do with him at
this point because she feels like she can't trust him anymore.
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So what we get in this episode, which was it
was a really interesting way to play this. I keep
wanting to say, Raphael Rajalio quits the reality show The
de la Vega Factor, and he is in a contract,
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so he has to find a lawyer to represent him
to get out of this contract, and Bruce himself is
a lawyer, and he really has a strong reaction when
he finds out that Rohalio's approach is going to be
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to shame the production itself and basically make it like
everybody there was underhanded and I didn't want to be
a part of this like toxic culture. He understands like
why one would take that approach, but he feels it's
really risky. Rahelio, predictably to me, he feels so wronged
(42:34):
by this whole thing that I'm sure coming at them
in this with this energy feels like really fair and
appropriate to him because he's just like, well, yeah, they
fucked me over. They're bad people, they should be shamed.
And you know, it's one of those things where it's like,
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maybe that's true, but is that the smart thing to
do right now? And eventually he begins to realize it isn't,
but it's almost too late, like the ball has started
rolling already, because they agreed to settle on his Like
the suit had been for like ten million dollars or
(43:17):
something like that, so they settle on that, but they
eventually do a count or they sue him again. I
was gonna say countersuit, but it's not because he wasn't
suing them in the first place about essentially like defamation.
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There was a clause in the contract that said he
wasn't going to talk shit like this, and then he
goes and does this exact thing. So it wouldn't have
happened if his lawyer didn't do the approach that he did.
And it also, it's not explicitly said, but there's like
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a very straw likelihood that the lawyer took this approach
knowing that they would sue him again for a different thing,
simply wanting more of his business. So you can just
keep bringing money out of this guy because one lawsuit
after another, you know, and he decides, finally, I made
(44:20):
a mistake. Sorry, Pippen decided to shake himself very loudly,
but he decides to ask Bruce officially to be his lawyer.
What he doesn't realize when he decides to do this
is that he's interrupting Bruce's proposal to Shamara. It's actually
(44:45):
a really funny scene. I think I like both the
fact that Bruce isn't getting angry about this. He's just like,
oh Jesus, this guy, like he's trying so hard to
not be angry that I really appreciate it. And also
the uh, the fact that Rahelleo has grown to respect Bruce,
(45:12):
because there's a scene where Bruce is mediating between both
Rahelio and Chamara. And I really liked getting to see
this side of Bruce because he's somebody who, you know,
I couldn't help but have a certain reaction to based
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on a lot of the same things that caused Jane
to have the reaction she had hearing about the fact
that he had been married and that they had this like,
you know, the weird breakup and that he wouldn't leave
his wife and the whole like way this all went down.
I just had a very very specific idea about him
and who he was. And I liked that this episode
(45:56):
gives us more of Bruce in a way that I
feel like I've gotten to know him. I've gotten to
understand what his skills are as a lawyer. I feel
like there's a the fact that he is prioritizing Chaumara
and Rohelio becoming friends again, it really shows how unthreatened
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he is by her friendship with her ex, which is
a major deal. Like a lot of men, they are
not going to react well to you being friends with
an ex in the first place, never mind want to
facilitate a you guys like becoming friends again after a
major fight. So the fact that he is so interested
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in making sure that she is happy and thus everybody
is happy, it's just a really like it speaks well
for him, and so I find myself coming away from
this episode liking Bruce a lot more. And I think
that that was a a very smart way to play
that plot point, and now the fact that they're getting married,
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I can be like fully on board with it. I
don't again really care about it too much, Like, this
is the sort of thing that I fully expect to
not happen. This wedding is probably going to be a
lot of planning a whole thing, and then something is
going to blow up somehow. You know, That's fine. I,
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like I said, I'm not like either way, I don't care.
I am just glad that I like Bruce enough to
give a little cheer when she finally decides to accept
his proposal. So that's pretty much everything with Hilio. I'm
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going to double back and finish talking about Jane in
the context of this book that she is writing. So
she has a conversation with Raphael about the fact that
she doesn't really respect male authority figures the way that
she does women, and the show gives us a real
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quick montage of all of the women that she has
worked for up to this point and how that is
very true actually, and she denies it, of course, But
then we see her go to see her editor and
he comes in and he is very broie. He just
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has an approach to talking to her about the book.
It's so extreme that, like I really want to point out,
it's not even so much that he seems like a
frat boy so much as that he just seems really unprofessional,
and eventually, when they have their second conversation, he sort
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of tightens up a little bit and you see more
of his actual competence coming out. But initially there's a
real sense for me of just like, how did this
guy even get this job? You know? And he tells
her that there's a part in the middle of the
book where it really gets slow and that she needs
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to add something there, and he makes a off the
cuff suggestion. As we find out later it's not something
that he's given a lot of thought to, but she
sort of zeros in on it, and he lets her
take it and run with it because he thinks this
is what she wants. So she's like spends a lot
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of this episode looking at different characters and trying to
add different moments of silly drama. And it's very fun
because we have each of the actors of her actual
real life playing characters in her book and then looking
at her and talking to her like, what is this,
(49:58):
what are you even doing? I really liked especially the
one with Petra where she just keeps saying, why would
I help a floozy like you, and she just says
it over and over because Jane can't think of anything
else for her to say. I just thought that one
was actually really funny. But eventually she just hits a wall.
(50:19):
She's like, I can't like it feels so forced to
try and insert these obstacles here, like there's too much
because what he had said was there needs to be
another obstacle. And she goes back to him and tells
him I don't think that we're a good fit, and
(50:42):
he's like, oh bummer, what happened? And she says, well,
you wanted me to insert all these obstacles, and you know,
I just don't feel right doing such and such because
she loved him, And he stops her here and says, wait,
she loved him. That didn't come through at all, And
(51:05):
I thought that was interesting. I kind of wondered if
she was going to get like offended by that. But
later on we see her talking to her grandmother and
her grandmother like she's saying to her, I don't feel
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comfortable expanding on her love of a character that is
representing Raphael because it feels like a betrayal of Michael.
So then it becomes very clear why it didn't come
through at all. She was actively holding back on that
plot point because she felt really conflicted about even including
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that and made their split a little too easy because
she doesn't like to remember how in love with Raphael
she had been. And I really liked this as a
story point for her because this is just the reality
of what we do with grief and with memory is
we clean things up, you know, we make it so
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that a lot of stuff is more cut and dried
in our memory than it ever was in real life
because we're ashamed of how we reacted to something because
things went a totally different direction, and we like to
pretend we knew it would go that way all along,
you know, like you name it. There's all kinds of
reasons why people change up what actually went down, and
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this made a lot of sense to me. It was
sort of like it was one of those things that
felt like a writer for the show had maybe gone
through this themselves and just really knew what it was
like to find yourself like pulling back for bad reasons.
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In the end, as it turns out, so she rewrites
that aspect of it. She decides that, yeah, you know
what I think I do need to lean into this more.
And her grandmother is just like, hey, Michael would want
you to write the best book that you could. He
(53:23):
wouldn't want you to hold back on things because of him,
like you know. And if there's one thing we know
was that Michael was such a cheerleader for her with
her career. This is completely true and it resonates for
her definitely when her grandmother says this. So yeah, I
just I liked this both as a plot issue with
(53:48):
her wanting to honor Michael and having her grief still
sort of getting in the way of things a little
bit here. And I also liked it in terms of
her realizing that the way her editor communicated to her
wasn't as it wasn't what she thought. She had simply
(54:13):
misunderstood him. So this doesn't mean that they are not
a good match. It just means that they need to
talk things through a little bit more, and that he
is actually interested in hearing her suggestions and opinions on things.
He isn't just trying to force her to like change
things up, because understandably she can be a bit sensitive
about that. So yeah, I really thought this was like
(54:38):
a nice bit of growth for her for her career
as a writer. Oh no, I'm so sorry. I came
back to the chat and Rowan says, the stream keeps
freezing for me. Ah, I'm sorry. This is not an
unheard of issue either. I wish I knew what caused it. Guys,
I'm sorry. So I'm trying to remember who all if
(55:02):
I've talked about everybody. I'm gonna run back through the
episode real quick as I'm talking to y'all and just
see if there are any plot points that I The
whole way that this, uh, the moments in the book
are written are very fun because we have our characters
on screen in these other costumes with this, like Sepia
(55:25):
tint over everything, and I just there, like there's the
moment in the Monte Carlo room where it then goes
back in time to this moment in her book, and
it just seems so inert, Like the Monte Carlo room
has so many people in it, and they're like so
(55:45):
excitedly laughing and looking at things and pointing, and then
you know, going back, there's like four people in the
room and they're all just standing there staring, and I
was like, yeah, this is not feeling like anything. I
feel like this is all very purposely staged this way
to make it clear. None of this that she's writing
(56:06):
really feels natural. You know that it's all forced, and
I think that's a smart little storytelling device I'm trying
to I feel like I pretty much talked about everybody.
Is there anything that I have missed here? Yeah, I've
gone through it all. I'm like, that's about it. I
(56:29):
can't believe that I'm under time. I really didn't expect
that considering how the like there. It felt like it
was very packed this episode. There's probably like a couple
of little jokes that I did miss but but yeah,
I feel like I hate saying this killing michael Off
(56:52):
was the right thing to do. I hate it, but
it's really causing a lot of like wrong growth for
Jane in a direction that like only extreme loss can
do and finding ways around that. There's a moment in
(57:15):
this I think it's this episode where she sees like
a stuffed giraffe and she had had a panic attack
in response to seeing a giraffe in the previous episode
because it was in the coloring book, and here she
sees it. It just has a little like wistful moment
(57:35):
and it doesn't hit her like a ton of bricks
like it had been. So that's nice. You know, she's
beginning to climb out of everything being so unbelievably painful
like it had been, and that shit takes a while.
You know, it's been two years, they say, like at
(57:56):
this point, it takes a long time. So I just
liked that moment of it still causes her to stop
and look at it and be arrested for a moment,
but it doesn't feel like she's been socked in the
stomach and doubled over crying. It's just oh, Michael, well
(58:20):
and then you move on. So yeah, all right, I'm
going to wrap this one up, but thank you again
Italiana for commissioning this one. Appreciate you and everybody who
is listening. Hope you're enjoying the coverage, and until next time,
total motherfuckers. That was an unspoiled Network podcast.
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