December 29, 2023 • 58 mins
In this second episode of Spoken Life with Rob Greenlee you will hear an conversation between Truth Detective Podcast Host Stephanie Lee (https://truthdetectivepodcast.com/ ) and 2017 Podcast Hall of Famer Rob Greenlee offers a deeper exploration into the nuances of truth and trust. They discuss the impact of social media and digital platforms in shaping public perceptions, emphasizing the difficulty in identifying reliable sources amidst a sea of information. The episode also examines the psychological effects of misinformation and the erosion of trust in institutions and media. Additionally, they touch upon the role of technology in creating echo chambers that reinforce biases and the importance of media literacy in today's society. This insightful dialogue aims to provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of our challenges and responsibilities in discerning truth and fostering trust in the modern world. Key Topic Bullet Takeaways from this episode:
- Challenges of Truth in Digital Age: Discussion on how social media and digital platforms blur the lines between truth and misinformation.
- Psychological Impacts: Exploration of the psychological effects of misinformation and declining trust in traditional institutions.
- Echo Chambers and Bias: Analysis of how technology creates echo chambers, reinforcing personal biases and shaping perceptions.
- Media Literacy: Emphasis on the importance of media literacy in discerning reliable information.
- Individual Responsibility: Focus on personal responsibility in critically evaluating information and fostering trust.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am getting in trouble.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I know you are.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
I actually got thrown off. I've got a couple episodes
taken down from YouTube.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Or Truth is always the path to trouble.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
In this episode of Spoken Life, I'm joined by terrific
podcaster Stephanie Lee, and she's the host of the Truth
Detective podcast that's been ongoing for over a year, and
she's really pushing the envelope into some very controversial topics,
but trying to expand people's thinking into what's happening in
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our world today. And I'm really honored to have her
with me here on the program.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
The things that I'm talking about are the things that
you're talking about, but you come at it from a different.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Angle, one that will hopefully keep me out of trouble.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm trying to get in trouble.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh, I am getting in trouble. I know you are.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I actually got thrown off. I got a couple episodes
taken down from YouTube.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Or Truth is always the path to trouble.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
That's true. It is very true.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Right or trust is something that everybody aspires to and
everybody wants in their life.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's right. So anything that you are told you have
to confirm it within yourself if you believe it's true,
and then you have to trust who is saying it
right as well.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So truth can be your truth, right or there truth right,
So you have truth is your truth right you?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So pretty much you have to decide what truth you're
going to feel most comfortable with and if you trust
that person that you're getting it from, right. So those
are the two connections that we are podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So trust is implied in a human that's telling you
the truth, right, So if you trust that person to
tell you the truth, then there is a good chance
that it will be a truth.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And if it's not, you have to live with the
consequences of what not trusting that person not trying to
reevaluate has sought out the true. It's really a tricky
subject here that we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It is very tricky. It's one that we're trying to
thread the needle on when it gets you in more
trouble than it does me.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Right now, So you're just starting out and I find
and I certainly have found this out in the past
that I started really very cautiously walking on maybe a
few eggs, and then as I began to study it
more and.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Walked on the eggs or you walked on egg shells. Oh,
because that's true. There's a difference in the experience of
walking on eggs or walking on eggs.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Shells. If you walk on eggs go to eventually become eggshells.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Eggs is a little messy, yes, eggs. Shells is a
little crunchy.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So I was walking both, right, So in the very beginning,
I was definitely doing that whatever that whatever you used
just said egg shells. And then as I got more
and more entrenched in my research.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Then you started walking on eggs.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It became a deep rabbit hole of eggs messy. It
was really messy, And I would maybe think that is
what's going to happen with your trust factor.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's going to get messy eventually.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I think what's going to happen is the same thing
that happened to me and a lot of people, is
that your opinion starts to really you start to really
form an opinion if you do research and if you
do truth seeking right, and then you wonder, geez, why
did I trust that person? That person was way off
or or that person was really wrong, And what happened
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with my compass, my mow compass or is it like
what happened to the research? Where did I get my
research to figure that one out? And why is it
so wrong? So I think maybe and your trust factor,
you may come across things that you want to talk
about that maybe you've never talked about before. Like me,
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I had never talked about things like that. I started
out with just basic things like the tunnel people and
certain things that people didn't know about. And then slowly
I got a.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Little more political.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, I got a little more courageous about what I
was saying. In the meantime time COVID nineteen happened, and
that definitely had swayed me in a political way because
it was really obvious that had a I'm sorry to say,
but it did have a political agenda to it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, it should it be political? No, No, truth always
be non political.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yes, I am saying to you in my last couple
of episodes, I've said, stop looking at left and right
and start looking at what's your right or wrong?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Is?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
How do you see it? So if I think the
COVID thing, I think the climate change things that cannot
be that should not be pleased. Even the Constitution should
not be left or right. This is getting into a
ridiculous category that we're a dangerous situation.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's very analogous to the debate that's going on around
free speech. Right. I thought free speech was American values.
That is absolutely democratic value.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
That is absolutely what is happening. It's obviously gotten out
of We've gotten out of touch with our American way
of life and into something that I don't know if
we're going to be able to come back from. If
we lose the ability to speak freely. I don't it'll
just get worse for us. I think, and I can.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
There is a position to take that we are still
able to speak freely. It's just what's being censored is
our ability to be heard by large numbers of people.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So you get tamped out, you get tampered down.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So we can do one on one free speech to
each other, right, Yes. What it gets back to is
that each individual has been hyper sensitized to certain types
of speech as being off limits. Yeah, on an interpersonal
level as well, and that's what's driving divisions between people.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So you and I could have this free speech thing
and I could talk about things, but if it's put
on a social media platform where other people can chime in.
Then that's not a great thing, and they're trying to
squash that.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And maybe why is that.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Only a certain that makes only a certain side be
able to have it and not a dissenter. Somebody out
there doesn't like to have dissenting views. And as we
have heard, I've heard it from Elon, I've heard it
from a lot of people. If you don't have what
there's no use of having it in the constitution. If
you don't hear the other side, it's only good for
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one side, and it's at an echo chamber if you
hear it from one side. Free speech and Robert F.
Candy Junior has talked about this. It only works if
you hear from people that talk about things that you
don't like. It doesn't really work that.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's not as fun when everybody agrees.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Don't you want to see if your opinion can be changed,
can be swayed. I don't know about you, but I
don't I've learned a lot from people that I normally
wouldn't have agreed with.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
If we all march in the same orders, the world's
going to be pretty boring. Yeah, maybe that's the idea.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Conformity.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Conformity, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
What is the saying conformity is the best?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But it's alignment. It's yes, it's alignment. We're all on
the same page.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yes, the same exact page, right, but.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It may not be the exact page of truth.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
What you said was the danger zone, it's the true
egg cracking.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
The dangerous era. And although I hear a lot of
people say this is a really interesting time to be
living in and yep, it's scary too, and I wish
it wasn't so. I wish people didn't say, Wow, this
is a cool time to be experiencing these things. I'm
not so sure. I think I could have lived a
lifetime without experiencing some of these things.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And the bigger question is whether or not we're here
because of technology.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Okay, yes, that's is that a question? We are here?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's a little bit of a comment and a little
bit of a question, But it's also one of the
things that I thought about in the early days of
the Internet was that the Internet was going to be
a tool for all of us to connect, be together
and to share ideas. And what it's turned out to
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be is something quite less than that. It's turned out
to be a tool of which the powerful can attempt
to squelch disagreement.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Censor people that they don't agree with.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And we've seen this growth and proliferation around what's called
conspiracy theories, right, which everybody is kind of we can't
have that or hate speech. But what's interesting is hate
speech is expanding in its definition.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, it depends on the day, and it depends on
what you consider hate speech. I have a water bottle here.
Does somebody hate the way this water bottle looks? And
if I say I love this water bottle or is
that hate speech because someone doesn't like it? Yeah, it's
gotten to the point where it's that crazy. It's what
is exactly, it's whatever a person finds offensive and hate speech, yeah,
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and it's a crazy I've never got.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
The intent of what hate speech was all about.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
No, but hate speech is. The Constitution does make it
extremely clear that there has to be free speech for all,
as long as it's not hurting somebody in a threatening way.
There has to be free speech because of if you
have just one way of thinking, then it's not free right.
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If it's closing down dissenting views, and all of a
sudden it becomes just this like little toy soldiers marching
in a row, and we don't have any personality. We
can't express ourselves the way we're meant to be. And
I do think this comes into an interesting topic, and
I've thought about doing an episode about this, but I
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don't know if it's going to go over well. But
I've noticed that since these things have happened with free
speech in the Constitution, it has brought back traditional family
values that people didn't talk about before. People everybody had
traditional values. It's really true, you don't not to kill someone.
There are certain values that we had in this country
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that all of a sudden are like not even paid
attention to.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And it's like everything's back on the table again.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yes, And also I've noticed that there is a resurgence
of religion, of people saying, gosh, I believe in God,
and that's something that people were always iffy about in
even talking about. And I think that this is really
what do you.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Think that is? Is it just because people are fearful
of the future and they look to God to provide
guidance in their lives, to help them navigate difficult times.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I've had. I've thought a lot about that, and I
do think it has a lot to do with the people.
The powers that be are just make everybody so fearful,
just such awful vibrations going on. And I think people
look to a higher power, and I don't necessarily like
the word God, but look to a higher power for
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some kind of relief and some kind of happiness and
some kind of there's help out there for me, and
it comes from a higher power or I can't explain it.
But I've even started to realize that I have to
change my mode of thinking. Sometimes if you think negative,
that's what's going to happen, right, If you think positive,
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you're going to have a more positive experience. So I
try not to get in those low vibrational levels like
powers that be, some of the decision makers have, they
think very lowly of people. And it's part of it
is knowing that there's something out there that's going to
I know it sounds crazy maybe to some people, but
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something out there that's going to save us or save
us all from the evil that's happening. I do think
that people do need to know that there's a power
out there that's greater than themselves. It's going to save them.
I've heard more people talk about religion and God and
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power that's outside of themselves, I would say, in the
past couple of years, because we are so inundated with
just not nice people in charge.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I do kind of wonder this specifically. What's happening in
the world today is really, like many other things that
have happened in history, have roots in religious belief, and
this or lack of religious belief, and fundamentally that could
be what's happening in our world right now, is that
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we're seeing a conflict really based on religion. Yes, for
non belief is non believers tend to believe in anti
everything things that Christians or it really doesn't matter what religion.
It could be Jewish, it could be anything, whatever religion.
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If people believe that they have a guiding principle that
they're living on, but if they don't, then they The
other side of that is they create their own guiding principle,
which does tend to be human elements that we created
religion thousands of years ago to combat this battle that
we have between existence and understanding or existence in the
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world and trying to make sense.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Of it, right, It's what we've always known about Ireland.
We've always known about there being a part of Ireland
that was Catholic, a part that was Protestant, and there
was this there's still going on to this stuff forever.
It's been forever a religious battle. Now we're since I
was a kid, since I was listening to you too.
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They were from Belfast and they believed in one religion
and then understand why there was another, why there was
any other religion? Why there was But now it seems
that it's not only that was like the one prime
example of religion fighting another religon just for religion's sake.
I find people very nice and I don't care about
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their religion. I really don't. And now I'm finding out
that it's more relevant and more prevalent than I actually
thought it was. Ever.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, because most of the religions on earth are really
worshiping the same God. Yes, they just call it different names.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It can be Yahweh, it can be God, Jesus Christ,
it can be all these different names to describe essentially
the same.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Entity or the same entity or spiritual.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Association that drives meaning to human existence. And there's been
in history. There's been evil and then there's been the
good of Christ. But there's also been an interwoven aspect
of those two sides based on human nature.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's hard to separate those two sometimes.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yes, And you look at America for an example. We
always had those and there's undoubtedly when the founding fathers
wrote the Constitution, they were all very traditional religious people.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And they were very young too, did.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
You know, Like George Washington was like seventeen years old.
When they were very young, and of.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Course people didn't live as long back then.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
But they were babies. They were considered babies to you
and me. But the thing is that they, you know,
the you know, Christian religion, and I dare say all
religions have certain values. And in America the values.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Are let's, you know, let's traditional values.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Let people speak, and let's let people do what they
do to be free, let people walk around and make
their own decisions and protest if they want to, and
write what they want to, freedom of the press, bare
arms if they need that. All these things were set
in place, and now we're finding that they're not as
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set in places as we thought they were. But there
are a few things that are set in place, and
that is that now, should not kill. Now should these
ten commandments or things that are just make common sense,
like now shall not kill or let's not kill everybody.
You can walk down the street and be pretty sure
that everybody understands those values. But I don't find that anymore.
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I'm a little intimidated. I'm not I see the TV
and try not to look at it too much, but
I see it and I see all the stuff that's
going and I say, that's not the America that I
grew up. And I'm sure you feel the same way.
I'm always amazed.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
By violence as much more accepted now.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Isn't it. I'm always amazed by what I see. I'm like,
oh my gosh, I cannot believe someone thinks lighting a
police station is okay, And I'm surprised that they're not
behind bars for doing it. It's a ridiculous. That just
wouldn't have happened twenty years ago, thirty years ago. It
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just your limits right. Everybody has the right to live
in a nation that is that it makes you feel
safe and secure and free. And now it's just I
don't know, I don't know what's going to happen in
the future.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's changing.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
The future is really interesting. But I go back to
what I said. I some people have said this is
such an interesting time to be alive. I don't know
about you, Rob, but I'm not quite sure. I'm not
quite sure.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I'm not bod it interesting, but it's not good.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, I'm not so sure, and I'm not so sure
that we're going to end up in a good place
if we continue down this path. It's a little scary.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
And do we have faith that we can course correct
if we do head down a path that is course correct?
I think was it going to take the course correct
some of the changes that we're seeing happening in our world.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Some people are afraid to stand up and say things.
And I think I was listening to this journalist that's
in Ukraine. It's all a free speech issue. And I'm
not so sure if we go down this path there's
a course correct. I'm not so sure because we're pretty
far down, and because some people want this type of.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Some people want to hide the truth because they have
something to hide.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And asked me about court, is there a way we
can get back.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
On the path of what is the right path.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They say it like we look in the future, like
when people say, oh, I want to go back to.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
The like annoymal way it used to be.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, I've been told time and time again there's no
new there's no normal anyway. It's a new normal.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You're going to have going to go back to how
life was in the sixties. We're not going to go
back to how life was in the seventies. We're not
going to go back to how life was in the eighties.
We're going to go back to how life is in
the twenty twenties or the twenty thirties. With the change
that we're looking to make happen is do we want
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to have human values that we've embraced and do we
want to have a US Constitution that everybody believes in.
Do we want to have well and take the risk
of free speech.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
There was never even a question about the Constitution. That
was always the main stay. That was always like something
that was there that we knew we could count on.
And now I see something that's very terrifying is that
maybe we can't count on that. Maybe there are people
that are overruling and constitution. They're saying, you know, what
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this goes back to that journalist in Ukraine. You know what,
let's just decide his fate before he even appears in court.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What that was never as guilty.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
We're deciding that you're guilty before you can prove that
you're innocent.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
What.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, that would If someone had said that to me
even five years ago, I would have said, you are ridiculous.
That is not the way it happens. But nowadays I'm
finding that anything goes right. Every day is learn something new,
and like just hitch your head and say shake your
head and say, oh my goodness, I cannot believe what
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I am hearing and seeing it. Just every day, every
single day, something new happens, and it's up to us
to go going back. It's up to us to see
what's true and what we can trust. And I do think, however,
this is one thing that can solve everything. Is something
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that I've heard about television. Turn it off if you
don't want to if you don't want to know all
this stuff I've often thought about, and someone much greater
than I was I was taking classes, said it's good
to be informed, but do you have to be informed
twenty four hours a day? And I'm thinking I was
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no back then, but now I'm thinking, gosh, yeah, because
if you're not, you can you could miss something major happening.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
What's really fascinating about that is that never before have
we had access to so much information about what's going
on in the world, but yet at the same time,
we just don't trust the information that we're hearing, and
so it's an opportunity, but yet it's also an opportunity
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to be manipulated.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And there's plenty of that going.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And that's a big challenge. And you start looking layering
in even more advanced technology like artificial intelligence, and we're
just scary the people behind that that are controlling what
information is in those platforms and those tools that increasingly
are getting more and more use in. It raises a
lot of questions about our access to accurate information as
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you look forward.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I tried a chat GPT and it came out with
a couple of brilliant depends on the questions you're asking it.
But if you asked about one person who would say, yeah,
they're a conspiracy theorists don't pay attention to what they
say whatever. But if I were to ask it, this
is interesting, This is the good side and the bad side, Right,
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you were to ask it about a doctor, Okay, doctor
Robert Malone. Let's say, for example, come back and say
he's a conspiracy theorist who believes this and that and
the other thing. Don't listen to him. But you know what,
my opinion really isn't the truth take you do your
own research. It always has that disclaimer at the bottom
of it. But then I asked it to it's discredit
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that's true. Yeah, But then you can also use it
in a positive way where I asked it help me
write an outline for a utopian book that I could write,
and I'm telling you it came out with the name
of the town, the name of the characters, all the
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outline of what the story was about. And I'm like, dang,
that is pretty good. I couldn't have thought that up
on my own if I tried, So there is good
to it. The only thing that's bad about that is
if you have a school age child, they could totally
have someone have AI, have chat GPT, write a report
for them and hand it in as their own. So
there's a little bit of that going on. But I
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just thought it was interesting how one set of print
like one question and it's usually a political question or
political nature, or has something to do with something that's
happening in the world war or famine or whatever it is.
They'll try to flub it. And then the other one
is you can put it, you can make it in
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for a good, you can do it for good, and
I choose to We always choose to look at nefarious things,
and we always choose to look at negative things first,
but maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we should approach it in
a positive direction. I'm always I did an episode on
this on the things that could happen that are bad
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about AI, but why not look at the things that
could happen that are good with AI? There are like.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Any other technology, it's got goods uses and dangerous uses.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I'm afraid to totally be in that park where I say, oh,
it's great, it's cool. Yeah, I am thinking that there
are there are some nefarious activities that could happen, and
we should keep our eyes open and learn the truth
and not trust everything we're heard we hear about it.
So that's going back to our two podcasts, doing the
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research to learn what you what is your truth? What
you believe now. In my podcast, I always say I'm
just telling you the truth way I see it. Why
you do your own I tell the listeners do your
own research. I get you started. You do your own
research and find out your own truth. And I think
that it's probably true. With your trust factor, right, you
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learn you can trust you. You learn that you can
go by your guy instinct, which is amazing. It really
is amazing how that works. The gut instinct of how
you feel is pretty accurate to tell you the truth.
If you meet someone that is iffy, then and you
start to feel it in your stomach and you start
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to feel a little nauseous, you probably know that's not
a good person for you to hang out with. So
you have to always look at that. But it's interesting
how the two podcasts Dove tell each other in an
interesting way. Mine with the Truth Detective, you with trust factor.
You have to have trust and you have to have.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Truth, and it do go together.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
That's interesting, Yeah, they do. It's quite interesting because I've
often used who do you trust? Who do you trust
in this? What truth do you trust? What? How do
you go about that? How do you go about feeling
good about what you what the truth and how you trust.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You always wondered if our understanding of the concept of
truth has been a little immature. So as you think
about the new world that we're in right now, where
we're blending so much artificial reality and new understandings about
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the world and how the world works. At science, it's whatever.
Truth is a little bit of a concept that's a
little elusive in a practical sense and also in the
minds of many people. I think climate changes is another
example of that. One person's truth is another person's lie,
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and this other person's truth could be the other person's lie.
So it depends on what scientists you're talking to, and
what philosopher you're talking to, or what politician you're talking to,
or what new reporter you're talking to. Right their truth
could be their understanding.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Things that certain people don't want you to find out
is the truth. They have a very good way of
hiding it on the internet or burying it. We saw
that at the World Economic Forum when this woman came
up there and came up on stage and she said,
when we google climate change, a bunch of things come
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up that we're not too happy about coming up. Things
that kind of question it. So we've worked the algorithms
when we put our things.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
First, partnered with Google to put our to make sure.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
That you get what we want you to understand what
you want we want them you to.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
So it's a battle over people's perception and a battle
over people's priorities and how they prioritize certain information over others. Yes,
we're saying we have the answer because we're either government
or we're some corporation or were some leader that knows
the truth, and you're just supposed to excell.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
It goes back to Reagan. I'm from the government, and
I'm here to help, really tell me about that help.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Maybe they are it's hard to trust.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And you can see with your own eyes what's going on,
But do you trust how that got to be that way?
Or is it just someone you know saying at an
agenda that they want to happen and they're just trying
to trying to get you to convince you to do that.
It's very fascinating. I think where we are an interesting time.
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Do I wish that we could go back? Yeah? I
keep telling everybody I just what would be perfect for me?
Is okay? I don't really mean to this extreme. But
if I had a landline and like a normal TV
where there was like four channels that were just journalists
not telling an opinion, and I didn't have a cell phone,
I think I would like that for a day, I think,
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or two maybe I would be like finding other things
to do. I always find some interesting thing when I'm
with my mother that's not a techie thing. She's an artist,
and I always come back from being with her and
I always say, yeah, maybe it's good to have a
day where it's I'm not on social media, and a
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day where I don't have to worry about when.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I'm missing like the old days.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Like the old days, like the early seventies, when it
was when we used to go out and play baseball
or whatever it was that we used to play. And
I keep going back, and I keep thinking, those were
the days. Everything has to progress, but it's progressing so
fast that we're missing. Sometimes I think we're missing. I
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always say this, but we're missing a three D world
that is right in front of us, and we're missing
all the beauty and all the things that we have
for our five senses in order to pay attention to
our phones and what we've seen sometimes I.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
The two D world. It's going from the three D
to two D world.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
And it was opposite. It was always it was opposite.
Let's go to let's see what happens if it was
always so exciting. Let's see what happens if we get
these cool cell phones. We can do this and that
they're so smart. Yes, they're so smart. Huh, let's call
them smartphones. That is what we were always well time.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
When phones were considered to be dumb phones.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes, that I would love to go back to that.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Back to dumb phone, umb phones, dumb phone. Back to So,
speaking of gadgets and technology, you've been recording this conversation
on a no Mono sound capsule.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
What's that.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
It's basically a device that has four microphones that connect
to a spatial audio kind of base station. Now, and
you can just put on a Lapel microphone the next wirelessly.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, you gave me the microphone, but I didn't have
any idea what I was doing. I just put it
on and you said we're ready to go, and I
was not.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Push the red button on it and it starts recording.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So what does that mean? Does it go into that
box or does it go somewhere. Does it go to software?
Does it go up to the cloud.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It goes up to the cloud. Ultimately, I'm also connecting
to the sound capsule with my iPhone.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Okay, so it hasn't.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Actually able to control it. So we're at like thirty
seven minutes, right.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, So if that's it, I feel like I've been
talking to you for five hours. So you don't need
to control it by this I'm looking over at this
little box here. You don't have to necessarily. It's like
you can control your phone.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, you can control it with your phone too.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
That's very cool. So how many microphones?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Does got a total of four?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Four microphones and spatial.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, they actually be unit has I believe eight microphones
on it that is picking up the sound, the ambient
sound around us as we're talking, and in the software
up in the cloud, it enables that audio to be
applied to the recording to remove all that ambient sound.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
That's what I was wondering. We can actually do more
than just have a microphone in front of us in
a studio that's padded and everything. It's really for the sound.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, I think it's an interesting mental juxtaposition. We're both podcasters.
We're both used to having professional microphones in front of us,
and we have this mental conditioning that you can't possibly
do a quality microphone ass you're talking into a quality
piece of equipment. You can't have a quality episode without it.
(33:52):
But I think we're reaching a point where we can
have the freedom to have more natural conversations without having
to sit in front of these microphones. We just clip
on these lapel mics and do the recording. Now, granted,
it does create an atmosphere that's much more organic for
organic conversation, but there's nothing to stop you from having
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a script outline in front of you with a beast
of paper or something like that that you could follow
as well. You could do this with a video recording.
What you would have to do is you'd have to
marry the audio up with the video and post production,
since the processing of this happens in the cloud in
post production. This is not a live recording type of
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a tool where you can use this technology to do
let's say a live stream or something like that. Okay,
so it's only going to work in pre recorded situations. Okay,
But you can set up a video camera and then
marry the audio with the video.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
So I was watching a live stream the other day
and the person was talking to another person, and so
he couldn't it was in a like a bar type
area or like a I don't know, I seen at
a bar where they were going to be singing and
everything at this stage. And so you're saying that would
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be that would be a case for what you just said.
It would be a It would go right to the
cloud and you could then download the audio and the
video to marry them together.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah. Yeah, you can do that in post production. Actually,
a lot of the audio editing tools allow you to
bring in a video. Of course, you could also do
this in a video editing tool too, and then just
replace the audio.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's funny because in that scene, I saw the they
both had two mics, and one of the mics wasn't working,
and I remember thinking, let's screwed up the whole thing. Yeah,
so they had to share a mic, and it would
have been much easier if they had these cool looking
little microphones just hooked up and they didn't have to
worry about the big clunky microphones that and that would've
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been perfect. It's very organic, like you said, it's very much,
just being out and being in a real life situation.
It's it's me, But you do have to if you're
going to record, and if you want to record someone
in say Texas, and you're in New York City, that
person would have to have the microphone. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
You can't really do it on a remote basis. Is
really an in person recording tool?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
That's okay? That that actually works a lot. I saw
another I saw a Megan Kelley interview. Okay, let's try this.
I saw a Megan Kelley interview where she had the microphone,
but there were four people, four podcasters, in a remote
studio away from her. Could they have used the numano
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n'mano set.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
It depends if it's live or not.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Okay, so it was recorded.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
You can still use it even though you're live. But
the only thing you're going to get is a recording. Okay,
it's not going to go out over the live stream.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
But this Megan Kelly interview, it was recorded ahead of
time because stuff out and everything. So could they have
a capsule and be in Texas, She's in New York
and they're doing their thing. They're actually if.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
It's being recorded, they could replace the audio that was
captured by the Noamano on site, and that's what I'm wanting,
and then replace that. It may be a little tricky
because ye Megan's audio would be in there too, so
it would be a little bit but.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
They have experts at that level. There's people that actually
know really it just.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Might be tricky to do it that way.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I'm is that I get so nervous about being about
doing interviews, even recorded. I get so nervous, and I
think it's wonderful. I don't think it's very free. Actually,
I don't think I would ever have thought that I
could feel as comfortable as I do right now. It's
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literally I freeze up and I even call people and
say I have to cancel the interview because I can't hint.
It's too stressful. But with Namano, with these microphones I have,
it's a very free flowing conversation and it's very it's
like we're just talking and that's it's.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Like this perfect situation of the kind of conversation you'd
have with someone like a Starbucks. And that's exactly where
you can use this too. You could use it in
a Starbucks, or you could use it in a hotel lobby,
or you could use it in whatever traditionally more noisy environments.
You could even use it in a restaurant and people.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
It is terrific. And I do have to say that
I like the that idea. I like the idea of
just being able to sit down and chat with someone.
It takes the stress off of me and it makes
me want to.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, it's interesting. The psychology of that, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
It is asch there. I'm very interested in the psychology
of it and why it exactly did that for me.
It is I think you realize when you see someone
that they're your friend. They're in it to get the
same thing that you're in it for. It can be
approached that way, and I think that this is really
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a good tool that you can use for that. It's
not intrusive. I didn't even I see the box there now,
but I wasn't even I'm looking at you, I'm seeing you,
I'm talking to.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
You, and that it doesn't get in the way. It doesn't.
It's not convers you that you're broadcasting.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
No, it's really actually if you hadn't really said that
that mentioned in the box, I'm talking to you face
to face and it's actually very It is freeing because
I do normally I like I said, I'm not an
I do not do interview doing an interview on my
podcast because of that. I specifically don't because I get
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terrified of what I'm going to say, if I'm going
to say the right thing. But I'm now freeing myself
up to be for it just to be a conversation,
which is the way it should be. In podcasting. That's
the best podcast you can have, is like a Joe
Rogan type podcast that's, hey, we're just two people having
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or in this case, it could be four people having
a conversation. So that's a great thing.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
And I still plan on using this with video recordings.
I've got a three hundred and sixty degree video camera
that I'm doing interviews with, and it creates a situation
where I can have two camera shoot almost so.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You've got to do both you're going to use in
a month.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
In that and actually capture decent quality audio through another
system that I have. It's a Laphel microphone type of
a situation that actually will record directly to the video
in the three three and sixty degree camera and then
in post production I could take the audio from this
and replace it, so it's almost like a redundant audio solution.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I have heard of that being done, like they overdubbed
the If you don't have good audio, they can just
swap it up right, And that's a great thing. I
do think that's exciting. What is the What as the
price of end of mone because I want to purchase
one now?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Of course they're about twenty five hundred dollars currently right.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Now, recently sign me up?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Do it? Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Let's do it. The thing is, if you find something
that's easy that's going to make.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
If you can afford it, and I think there are
lots of situations. I think people would be surprised. Truly
a revolutionary there's nothing else that I've been a audio
content greater for over twenty years, and every situation that
I've been in to record a podcast or do a
radio show has been this complex recording situation. Had to
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be in like a sound proof studio, or had to
have this expensive microphone or hows had to be aware
of the acoustics of any space that I was in,
and you just created a lot of stress going into it.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
That's what I say, But the thing is, this is
the way I look at it, is that if I
obviously I think we pretty much both would agree. Maybe
is that interviewing podcast with interviewing is has a value,
a different value than just a solo podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And if you could use this solo podcast, but.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
If you told me that I would gain sponsors or
doing something with interviews, then I might find it well
worth the twenty five hundred dollars to do that. If
I knew that I would gain people coming to my
podcast my episodes because I had Rob Greenley on The
Great Rob Greenley on Who Knows About Stuff? Or if
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I can position it like interviews that I Seth Godin
or Joe Roe, I could say, hey, they're going to
be on, and you can say you'll get a really
good audio podcast or episode out of this, and you'll
get more revenue or you'll get more downloads because of
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the interviews you're doing. That it really twenty five hundred dollars,
Maybe it may be worth it to me to have
that goal in mind of getting Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
A stretch if you really back up and you think
about how much you typically have to invest in the
same capability of this with more traditional recording methods with
a if you start thinking about the cost of for
sure SM seven B microphone, how much with that? Sure,
that's right, there are going to be two thousand dollars
(43:47):
just for those microphones. It's not a stretch to think
that this could replace the entire studio setup.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
And if you said, if you were to say to me,
and I'm saying to myself now, I'm I'm actually loving
having this conversation, this interview or whatever it is that
we're having conversation.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, I just like to call it conversation.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
It's not now, it's this conversation. And if I were
to think along the same lines as people come to
the episodes thinking I'm gonna gonna get new information, it's
not going to just be the same old staff. It's
going to be Steff talking to somebody, and that's going
to make her more attractive, that's going to make her
sound better, and it's going to expand the audience from
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that that are coming in and listening. Obviously, if you
have someone like Jordan Peterson, and then there's gonna be
an attraction there. And so it could grind to a
point where it's more revenue right for you and more
of something, more downloads, more of opportunities, So it would
be worth spending the money. You have to weigh the
(44:55):
options where if I find that I'm doing something different
with my episodes, I'm willing to take that chance. I'm
willing to if I find that I can get something
out of interviewing people and gather an audience that really
likes the people that I'm interviewing, there's no question it's
worth It's worth the cost. Yeah, what I always have
(45:18):
gotten in the past is how can you email me
the questions that you're going to ask? Yeah, that's that
doesn't help anyone, because in it's planned and you like
to have the conversation go where it's going to go.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
It's risky too. I've done hundreds of interviews, and usually
the good interviews don't follow an outline, right, They actually
listen to each other, and they actually respond back and forth.
They contribute value from both sides. It's just not a
one sided conversation, which has been typically what people have said.
(45:57):
If you're a good interview, you ask a question and
you shut up. But that's not necessarily in some situations. Hey, yeah,
they are that makes sense. And I think one example
of I think I've seen a couple of RFK interviews
were a very prominent interviewer was like quiet. The whole
interview was just RFK talking.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
And that's cool because you want to.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Get here what this person has to say.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yes, because of his he's a candidate for the big office,
as we say, and.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
His family has such a history, and.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
His family has such a history the more American Camelot
kind of scenario. Everybody love as close to royalty as
America could get as the Candy family. So you want
to capture that all the time. You want you want
to get as much as you can out of it.
And he is a wealth of information. My gosh, I
(46:50):
didn't even He's talking about things that are amazing, and
you don't want to miss a second. I don't blame
the person that's talking to him just keeping quiet, because Tucker.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I mean silent.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
You don't want to be like, I'm going to stop
you there because I have a question. Don't stop him
because you're going to miss something important. And he has
so much information. And that's the kind of the way
I would approach someone like that.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I just ask one question of getting started.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Tucker Cross and interviewers. I think he asked him like
two questions a whole, and one of them was really
like he had dinner with Mike Pompeo. I think it
was he and Tucker was like, what, wait a minute,
and then but then it went on and on and
he talked for another ten minutes. It was really quite amazing.
(47:45):
But that's another thing that I noticed is that if
you're really good at interviewing people, it is a conversation
and you know when to stop, and you do, absolutely
I believe, have to listen. If you're having a conversation
with someone, you have to listen because you know it's
going to be your turn next to say something or
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to ask something.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
And it's always a journey too. It's like I've done,
even in this conversation, ideas come into your head while
a person is talking, and you're kind of like stacking
up the potential responses or comebacks whatever, and it does
distract you from listening. What the magic is to be
able to listen and then only grab one thing right,
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so you're not spending all your time trying to come
up with new ideas and not listening. So all you
do is you just grab one thing and you hold
on to that and you continue listening. And I think
that's the trick to doing a good conversation versus an interview.
And a lot of people will prepare with an outline whatever,
and they'll have ten questions that they want to get through.
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But my experience with it is that I maybe I'll
get through two of them.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
So now my big question you is that with this device,
are you going to be going to be interviewing or
having a.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Conversation that's going to be who knows?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
That would be tremendous and that would be right up
his allies to be able to just have a microphone
that's on his lapel.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, I could do it with I could do all
these interviews with a three in er sixty degree camera.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
That would be something if you were to get that.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Kind of learning how to do it, because I've done
a couple of interviews already with my three sixty degree
camera where the camera sits in between me and the subject. Okay,
and it just goes it bounces back.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Does it not to bounce back and forth?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
No? I tell it to bounce back and forth.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Based on the conversation before the conversation post production, oh
it is okay.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
So as far as the visual element of.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
It, okay, so you late, you put the camera on a.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Stand like a little tripod, and.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Then you have the conversation.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Got a lens pointed it me and a lens pla.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Okay, so it's a double okay, So that's.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
What I want to It's got two lenses, so.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
It's not like really going around three hundred.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Sixty degree it's actually recording three literally three hundred sixty
degrees around the whole time.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Okay, So what you want to what you're going to
do in post production is just get Okay, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Gonna say I'm flipping the views back and forth, all right.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
So you're gonna get you first, and then RFK Junior,
which I hope at some point you can maybe playing
around with it.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Then I can match up this audio with the video,
got it, okay, or I can just do just straight audio.
So I'm gonna likely I think this is a perfect
fit for my Spoken Life podcast, which is probably where
all these interviews are going to go, all these conversations.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Well spoken, it's not.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
A video show, it's it's an audio program.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Okay. So we won't have a video component.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Of spoken life now, Okay, it's like.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
A trust that's a trust factor thing, got it? Okay?
That that is interesting and I have in my I've
been thinking about my episodes and what I'm doing is
I'm doing an audio component to the episode and then
I'm doing a video that that goes along with the
same theme of the audio episode, but I'm showing different
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things websites or whatever it is. And I'm I think
that's interesting to have both both components. And I don't
know what to call if you just called a pod.
If you still call the video a podcast episode, it's
podcast because the video will also be put out as
an audio podcast episode too.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
You can just take the audio out of it, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
So I'm a little I'm still working on it, but
I am very impressed with this device that I have
on right now, this microphone. I think it is going to.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
If you want to see more about it, check it
out go to no mod dot Co.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Had spell no mon n o m o n o. Okay,
so it's so as I say no mono right, so
as I say no mono right.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
And it's spelled literally no n o mono m.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
O n O Okay, so it's no Mono, but it's
no Mono dot co okay, not dot com.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
You have to know that because if it's dot com
you'll get lost some.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, there's also the information there pictures, video demos that
show it in the contrast between a noisy recording and
a no model recording.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yes, I did see that, and it's quite interesting to
see the differences. And you can just change it and
that's it.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
So that's really I feel really exciting, lucky and fortunate
to be one of the first to have access to this.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
The capsule, this platform is it. They call it a
sound capsule.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Sound capsule is the actual device name. And then there's
the Namdo cloud, which is where all the post production
processing happens.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
And can you point to that cloud? Can you actually physically.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Say that cloud floating by.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Is actually the cloud that has your information.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
It's usually on your computer screen.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
It's not an actual cloud. No, you can't point to it.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
If you could point to it on your screen.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
That would be amazing. If you could go outside and
say that's the one cloud that has information on it.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
And there is a mobile app that comes with it
too that you can monitor you can start and stop
the recording. You can see which of the microphones that
you're using. In this case, we're using the blue and
green microphone.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
I was wondering why mine was blue on yours with green.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
And then the actual sound capsule or the base station
is called a space.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Recorder, is there? What is the thing about the Is.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
This an assignment so you know which microphone is?
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Okay, I've enjoyed this. This is great. It's so easy
to do, and it sounds like it's fun to use. Yeah,
it would be fun for me to get over my
stigma about having.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Worry about your microphone.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yeah, and all that's and also the actual talking to
people in conversation because I get so frazzled and nervous.
It's very easy to it's actually easy to forget that
you're you actually have a microphone.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
You should also, I think with a device like this,
I think it's possible and you could probab people can
do this if they want to talk to their elderly
parents and be able to record that. But that could
be done even with your smartphone too. But this type
of a device could be used for documenting your family history.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Or honestly I've thought about that, and I wish I
had done that with my father, and maybe I should
start doing that when my mother has start docu. My
mother has such interesting tales and I never even I
didn't even. I guess maybe I just tuned it out
when I was younger. Now that she's getting older, she's
coming out with more and more things. I'm like, did
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that really happen? Oh my god, I didn't know that,
But I wish I had it on some kind of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
You could record it back and listen to it when
they're gone, because all of our parents will be gone
and will be gone some days, and if we had children,
they could listen to us.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
So that's a good thing for that too, Right, it.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Could be used for that. And I would think that
at some point in the future that there'd be a
version of this that would have like maybe only two
microphones or something like that. Yeah, that would be quite
a bit less expensive.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
I noticed I was having a conversation yesterday and and
follved about six people, and I noticed that everybody was
on a different plane of thought. So if you're on
the same if you're if you know ahead of time
we're going to talk about this, or if there's a
person that's in charge of what are leading the conversation,
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they can lead it to be like this and there's
not a bunch of people stepping on other people's words.
And there's not, so it's you can control it more.
If you're actually in person with that, with a group
of people, you can I think you have more control
over it.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, and each of the microphones does have the potential
recording to a different track.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
That's very much so.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
In the software, you can edit each track separately.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
And so you wouldn't feel like you're stepping on the
words of someone else. Could you do that? Could you
edit like when that is so create a.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Little bit more of a gap in between those conversations. Yeah,
I believe you should be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
That's great. This is a great system. It feels well,
it feels good, it looks good.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Thank you, Sephany for Thank you so much for recording this.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
I've enjoyed. I've been wanting to talk to you and
have you. I have this conversation. It's about our two
podcasts and about this new no Mono system, and I
heard about that and it's great. I was I love
this conversation and it's I hope we can do it
again sometime.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
Go to Truthdetective dot com if you want to know. No, wow,
I got it wrong.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
Only slightly. It's truth Detective.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
Podcast podcast dot com only because truth Detective was taken, so.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
I somebody else is doing it too.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Truth Detective podcast dot com. If you want to email
me with any suggestions or questions or topics that you'd
like me to do research on, it's the same thing,
Truth Detective Podcast at gmail dot com, so I always
feel free to do that as well.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Right, sounds great.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
So thank you so much Rob for thank you for
having me and for talking to me. And I feel
very privileged range of topics. Yes, I feel very privileged
guy lucky that I actually got to to do this.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
So thank you much, thank you very much. Alrighty bye everybody,
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
The Inspiration Spoken Word, Tech and Connection, Spoken Like, Oken
Spoken Like, Spoken Like Spoken with Rob Greenley With Rob
Greenley with Rob Greenley
I am getting in trouble.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I know you are.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
I actually got thrown off. I've got a couple episodes
taken down from YouTube.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Or Truth is always the path to trouble.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
In this episode of Spoken Life, I'm joined by terrific
podcaster Stephanie Lee, and she's the host of the Truth
Detective podcast that's been ongoing for over a year, and
she's really pushing the envelope into some very controversial topics,
but trying to expand people's thinking into what's happening in
(00:34):
our world today. And I'm really honored to have her
with me here on the program.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
The things that I'm talking about are the things that
you're talking about, but you come at it from a different.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Angle, one that will hopefully keep me out of trouble.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm trying to get in trouble.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh, I am getting in trouble. I know you are.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I actually got thrown off. I got a couple episodes
taken down from YouTube.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Or Truth is always the path to trouble.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
That's true. It is very true.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Right or trust is something that everybody aspires to and
everybody wants in their life.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's right. So anything that you are told you have
to confirm it within yourself if you believe it's true,
and then you have to trust who is saying it
right as well.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So truth can be your truth, right or there truth right,
So you have truth is your truth right you?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So pretty much you have to decide what truth you're
going to feel most comfortable with and if you trust
that person that you're getting it from, right. So those
are the two connections that we are podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So trust is implied in a human that's telling you
the truth, right, So if you trust that person to
tell you the truth, then there is a good chance
that it will be a truth.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And if it's not, you have to live with the
consequences of what not trusting that person not trying to
reevaluate has sought out the true. It's really a tricky
subject here that we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It is very tricky. It's one that we're trying to
thread the needle on when it gets you in more
trouble than it does me.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Right now, So you're just starting out and I find
and I certainly have found this out in the past
that I started really very cautiously walking on maybe a
few eggs, and then as I began to study it
more and.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Walked on the eggs or you walked on egg shells. Oh,
because that's true. There's a difference in the experience of
walking on eggs or walking on eggs.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Shells. If you walk on eggs go to eventually become eggshells.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Eggs is a little messy, yes, eggs. Shells is a
little crunchy.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So I was walking both, right, So in the very beginning,
I was definitely doing that whatever that whatever you used
just said egg shells. And then as I got more
and more entrenched in my research.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Then you started walking on eggs.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It became a deep rabbit hole of eggs messy. It
was really messy, And I would maybe think that is
what's going to happen with your trust factor.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's going to get messy eventually.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I think what's going to happen is the same thing
that happened to me and a lot of people, is
that your opinion starts to really you start to really
form an opinion if you do research and if you
do truth seeking right, and then you wonder, geez, why
did I trust that person? That person was way off
or or that person was really wrong, And what happened
(03:36):
with my compass, my mow compass or is it like
what happened to the research? Where did I get my
research to figure that one out? And why is it
so wrong? So I think maybe and your trust factor,
you may come across things that you want to talk
about that maybe you've never talked about before. Like me,
(03:58):
I had never talked about things like that. I started
out with just basic things like the tunnel people and
certain things that people didn't know about. And then slowly
I got a.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Little more political.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, I got a little more courageous about what I
was saying. In the meantime time COVID nineteen happened, and
that definitely had swayed me in a political way because
it was really obvious that had a I'm sorry to say,
but it did have a political agenda to it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, it should it be political? No, No, truth always
be non political.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yes, I am saying to you in my last couple
of episodes, I've said, stop looking at left and right
and start looking at what's your right or wrong?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Is?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
How do you see it? So if I think the
COVID thing, I think the climate change things that cannot
be that should not be pleased. Even the Constitution should
not be left or right. This is getting into a
ridiculous category that we're a dangerous situation.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's very analogous to the debate that's going on around
free speech. Right. I thought free speech was American values.
That is absolutely democratic value.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
That is absolutely what is happening. It's obviously gotten out
of We've gotten out of touch with our American way
of life and into something that I don't know if
we're going to be able to come back from. If
we lose the ability to speak freely. I don't it'll
just get worse for us. I think, and I can.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
There is a position to take that we are still
able to speak freely. It's just what's being censored is
our ability to be heard by large numbers of people.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So you get tamped out, you get tampered down.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So we can do one on one free speech to
each other, right, Yes. What it gets back to is
that each individual has been hyper sensitized to certain types
of speech as being off limits. Yeah, on an interpersonal
level as well, and that's what's driving divisions between people.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So you and I could have this free speech thing
and I could talk about things, but if it's put
on a social media platform where other people can chime in.
Then that's not a great thing, and they're trying to
squash that.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And maybe why is that.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Only a certain that makes only a certain side be
able to have it and not a dissenter. Somebody out
there doesn't like to have dissenting views. And as we
have heard, I've heard it from Elon, I've heard it
from a lot of people. If you don't have what
there's no use of having it in the constitution. If
you don't hear the other side, it's only good for
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one side, and it's at an echo chamber if you
hear it from one side. Free speech and Robert F.
Candy Junior has talked about this. It only works if
you hear from people that talk about things that you
don't like. It doesn't really work that.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's not as fun when everybody agrees.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Don't you want to see if your opinion can be changed,
can be swayed. I don't know about you, but I
don't I've learned a lot from people that I normally
wouldn't have agreed with.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
If we all march in the same orders, the world's
going to be pretty boring. Yeah, maybe that's the idea.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Conformity.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Conformity, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
What is the saying conformity is the best?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But it's alignment. It's yes, it's alignment. We're all on
the same page.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yes, the same exact page, right, but.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It may not be the exact page of truth.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
What you said was the danger zone, it's the true
egg cracking.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
The dangerous era. And although I hear a lot of
people say this is a really interesting time to be
living in and yep, it's scary too, and I wish
it wasn't so. I wish people didn't say, Wow, this
is a cool time to be experiencing these things. I'm
not so sure. I think I could have lived a
lifetime without experiencing some of these things.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And the bigger question is whether or not we're here
because of technology.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Okay, yes, that's is that a question? We are here?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's a little bit of a comment and a little
bit of a question, But it's also one of the
things that I thought about in the early days of
the Internet was that the Internet was going to be
a tool for all of us to connect, be together
and to share ideas. And what it's turned out to
(08:48):
be is something quite less than that. It's turned out
to be a tool of which the powerful can attempt
to squelch disagreement.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Censor people that they don't agree with.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And we've seen this growth and proliferation around what's called
conspiracy theories, right, which everybody is kind of we can't
have that or hate speech. But what's interesting is hate
speech is expanding in its definition.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, it depends on the day, and it depends on
what you consider hate speech. I have a water bottle here.
Does somebody hate the way this water bottle looks? And
if I say I love this water bottle or is
that hate speech because someone doesn't like it? Yeah, it's
gotten to the point where it's that crazy. It's what
is exactly, it's whatever a person finds offensive and hate speech, yeah,
(09:42):
and it's a crazy I've never got.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
The intent of what hate speech was all about.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
No, but hate speech is. The Constitution does make it
extremely clear that there has to be free speech for all,
as long as it's not hurting somebody in a threatening way.
There has to be free speech because of if you
have just one way of thinking, then it's not free right.
(10:08):
If it's closing down dissenting views, and all of a
sudden it becomes just this like little toy soldiers marching
in a row, and we don't have any personality. We
can't express ourselves the way we're meant to be. And
I do think this comes into an interesting topic, and
I've thought about doing an episode about this, but I
(10:31):
don't know if it's going to go over well. But
I've noticed that since these things have happened with free
speech in the Constitution, it has brought back traditional family
values that people didn't talk about before. People everybody had
traditional values. It's really true, you don't not to kill someone.
There are certain values that we had in this country
(10:53):
that all of a sudden are like not even paid
attention to.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And it's like everything's back on the table again.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yes, And also I've noticed that there is a resurgence
of religion, of people saying, gosh, I believe in God,
and that's something that people were always iffy about in
even talking about. And I think that this is really
what do you.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Think that is? Is it just because people are fearful
of the future and they look to God to provide
guidance in their lives, to help them navigate difficult times.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I've had. I've thought a lot about that, and I
do think it has a lot to do with the people.
The powers that be are just make everybody so fearful,
just such awful vibrations going on. And I think people
look to a higher power, and I don't necessarily like
the word God, but look to a higher power for
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some kind of relief and some kind of happiness and
some kind of there's help out there for me, and
it comes from a higher power or I can't explain it.
But I've even started to realize that I have to
change my mode of thinking. Sometimes if you think negative,
that's what's going to happen, right, If you think positive,
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you're going to have a more positive experience. So I
try not to get in those low vibrational levels like
powers that be, some of the decision makers have, they
think very lowly of people. And it's part of it
is knowing that there's something out there that's going to
I know it sounds crazy maybe to some people, but
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something out there that's going to save us or save
us all from the evil that's happening. I do think
that people do need to know that there's a power
out there that's greater than themselves. It's going to save them.
I've heard more people talk about religion and God and
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power that's outside of themselves, I would say, in the
past couple of years, because we are so inundated with
just not nice people in charge.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I do kind of wonder this specifically. What's happening in
the world today is really, like many other things that
have happened in history, have roots in religious belief, and
this or lack of religious belief, and fundamentally that could
be what's happening in our world right now, is that
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we're seeing a conflict really based on religion. Yes, for
non belief is non believers tend to believe in anti
everything things that Christians or it really doesn't matter what religion.
It could be Jewish, it could be anything, whatever religion.
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If people believe that they have a guiding principle that
they're living on, but if they don't, then they The
other side of that is they create their own guiding principle,
which does tend to be human elements that we created
religion thousands of years ago to combat this battle that
we have between existence and understanding or existence in the
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world and trying to make sense.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Of it, right, It's what we've always known about Ireland.
We've always known about there being a part of Ireland
that was Catholic, a part that was Protestant, and there
was this there's still going on to this stuff forever.
It's been forever a religious battle. Now we're since I
was a kid, since I was listening to you too.
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They were from Belfast and they believed in one religion
and then understand why there was another, why there was
any other religion? Why there was But now it seems
that it's not only that was like the one prime
example of religion fighting another religon just for religion's sake.
I find people very nice and I don't care about
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their religion. I really don't. And now I'm finding out
that it's more relevant and more prevalent than I actually
thought it was. Ever.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, because most of the religions on earth are really
worshiping the same God. Yes, they just call it different names.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It can be Yahweh, it can be God, Jesus Christ,
it can be all these different names to describe essentially
the same.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Entity or the same entity or spiritual.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Association that drives meaning to human existence. And there's been
in history. There's been evil and then there's been the
good of Christ. But there's also been an interwoven aspect
of those two sides based on human nature.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's hard to separate those two sometimes.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yes, And you look at America for an example. We
always had those and there's undoubtedly when the founding fathers
wrote the Constitution, they were all very traditional religious people.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And they were very young too, did.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
You know, Like George Washington was like seventeen years old.
When they were very young, and of.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Course people didn't live as long back then.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
But they were babies. They were considered babies to you
and me. But the thing is that they, you know,
the you know, Christian religion, and I dare say all
religions have certain values. And in America the values.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Are let's, you know, let's traditional values.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Let people speak, and let's let people do what they
do to be free, let people walk around and make
their own decisions and protest if they want to, and
write what they want to, freedom of the press, bare
arms if they need that. All these things were set
in place, and now we're finding that they're not as
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set in places as we thought they were. But there
are a few things that are set in place, and
that is that now, should not kill. Now should these
ten commandments or things that are just make common sense,
like now shall not kill or let's not kill everybody.
You can walk down the street and be pretty sure
that everybody understands those values. But I don't find that anymore.
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I'm a little intimidated. I'm not I see the TV
and try not to look at it too much, but
I see it and I see all the stuff that's
going and I say, that's not the America that I
grew up. And I'm sure you feel the same way.
I'm always amazed.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
By violence as much more accepted now.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Isn't it. I'm always amazed by what I see. I'm like,
oh my gosh, I cannot believe someone thinks lighting a
police station is okay, And I'm surprised that they're not
behind bars for doing it. It's a ridiculous. That just
wouldn't have happened twenty years ago, thirty years ago. It
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just your limits right. Everybody has the right to live
in a nation that is that it makes you feel
safe and secure and free. And now it's just I
don't know, I don't know what's going to happen in
the future.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's changing.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
The future is really interesting. But I go back to
what I said. I some people have said this is
such an interesting time to be alive. I don't know
about you, Rob, but I'm not quite sure. I'm not
quite sure.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I'm not bod it interesting, but it's not good.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, I'm not so sure, and I'm not so sure
that we're going to end up in a good place
if we continue down this path. It's a little scary.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
And do we have faith that we can course correct
if we do head down a path that is course correct?
I think was it going to take the course correct
some of the changes that we're seeing happening in our world.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Some people are afraid to stand up and say things.
And I think I was listening to this journalist that's
in Ukraine. It's all a free speech issue. And I'm
not so sure if we go down this path there's
a course correct. I'm not so sure because we're pretty
far down, and because some people want this type of.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Some people want to hide the truth because they have
something to hide.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And asked me about court, is there a way we
can get back.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
On the path of what is the right path.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They say it like we look in the future, like
when people say, oh, I want to go back to.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
The like annoymal way it used to be.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, I've been told time and time again there's no
new there's no normal anyway. It's a new normal.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You're going to have going to go back to how
life was in the sixties. We're not going to go
back to how life was in the seventies. We're not
going to go back to how life was in the eighties.
We're going to go back to how life is in
the twenty twenties or the twenty thirties. With the change
that we're looking to make happen is do we want
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to have human values that we've embraced and do we
want to have a US Constitution that everybody believes in.
Do we want to have well and take the risk
of free speech.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
There was never even a question about the Constitution. That
was always the main stay. That was always like something
that was there that we knew we could count on.
And now I see something that's very terrifying is that
maybe we can't count on that. Maybe there are people
that are overruling and constitution. They're saying, you know, what
(20:39):
this goes back to that journalist in Ukraine. You know what,
let's just decide his fate before he even appears in court.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What that was never as guilty.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
We're deciding that you're guilty before you can prove that
you're innocent.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
What.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, that would If someone had said that to me
even five years ago, I would have said, you are ridiculous.
That is not the way it happens. But nowadays I'm
finding that anything goes right. Every day is learn something new,
and like just hitch your head and say shake your
head and say, oh my goodness, I cannot believe what
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I am hearing and seeing it. Just every day, every
single day, something new happens, and it's up to us
to go going back. It's up to us to see
what's true and what we can trust. And I do think, however,
this is one thing that can solve everything. Is something
(21:38):
that I've heard about television. Turn it off if you
don't want to if you don't want to know all
this stuff I've often thought about, and someone much greater
than I was I was taking classes, said it's good
to be informed, but do you have to be informed
twenty four hours a day? And I'm thinking I was
(22:01):
no back then, but now I'm thinking, gosh, yeah, because
if you're not, you can you could miss something major happening.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
What's really fascinating about that is that never before have
we had access to so much information about what's going
on in the world, but yet at the same time,
we just don't trust the information that we're hearing, and
so it's an opportunity, but yet it's also an opportunity
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to be manipulated.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And there's plenty of that going.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And that's a big challenge. And you start looking layering
in even more advanced technology like artificial intelligence, and we're
just scary the people behind that that are controlling what
information is in those platforms and those tools that increasingly
are getting more and more use in. It raises a
lot of questions about our access to accurate information as
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you look forward.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I tried a chat GPT and it came out with
a couple of brilliant depends on the questions you're asking it.
But if you asked about one person who would say, yeah,
they're a conspiracy theorists don't pay attention to what they
say whatever. But if I were to ask it, this
is interesting, This is the good side and the bad side, Right,
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you were to ask it about a doctor, Okay, doctor
Robert Malone. Let's say, for example, come back and say
he's a conspiracy theorist who believes this and that and
the other thing. Don't listen to him. But you know what,
my opinion really isn't the truth take you do your
own research. It always has that disclaimer at the bottom
of it. But then I asked it to it's discredit
(23:38):
that's true. Yeah, But then you can also use it
in a positive way where I asked it help me
write an outline for a utopian book that I could write,
and I'm telling you it came out with the name
of the town, the name of the characters, all the
(23:59):
outline of what the story was about. And I'm like, dang,
that is pretty good. I couldn't have thought that up
on my own if I tried, So there is good
to it. The only thing that's bad about that is
if you have a school age child, they could totally
have someone have AI, have chat GPT, write a report
for them and hand it in as their own. So
there's a little bit of that going on. But I
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just thought it was interesting how one set of print
like one question and it's usually a political question or
political nature, or has something to do with something that's
happening in the world war or famine or whatever it is.
They'll try to flub it. And then the other one
is you can put it, you can make it in
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for a good, you can do it for good, and
I choose to We always choose to look at nefarious things,
and we always choose to look at negative things first,
but maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we should approach it in
a positive direction. I'm always I did an episode on
this on the things that could happen that are bad
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about AI, but why not look at the things that
could happen that are good with AI? There are like.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Any other technology, it's got goods uses and dangerous uses.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I'm afraid to totally be in that park where I say, oh,
it's great, it's cool. Yeah, I am thinking that there
are there are some nefarious activities that could happen, and
we should keep our eyes open and learn the truth
and not trust everything we're heard we hear about it.
So that's going back to our two podcasts, doing the
(25:34):
research to learn what you what is your truth? What
you believe now. In my podcast, I always say I'm
just telling you the truth way I see it. Why
you do your own I tell the listeners do your
own research. I get you started. You do your own
research and find out your own truth. And I think
that it's probably true. With your trust factor, right, you
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learn you can trust you. You learn that you can
go by your guy instinct, which is amazing. It really
is amazing how that works. The gut instinct of how
you feel is pretty accurate to tell you the truth.
If you meet someone that is iffy, then and you
start to feel it in your stomach and you start
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to feel a little nauseous, you probably know that's not
a good person for you to hang out with. So
you have to always look at that. But it's interesting
how the two podcasts Dove tell each other in an
interesting way. Mine with the Truth Detective, you with trust factor.
You have to have trust and you have to have.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Truth, and it do go together.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
That's interesting, Yeah, they do. It's quite interesting because I've
often used who do you trust? Who do you trust
in this? What truth do you trust? What? How do
you go about that? How do you go about feeling
good about what you what the truth and how you trust.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You always wondered if our understanding of the concept of
truth has been a little immature. So as you think
about the new world that we're in right now, where
we're blending so much artificial reality and new understandings about
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the world and how the world works. At science, it's whatever.
Truth is a little bit of a concept that's a
little elusive in a practical sense and also in the
minds of many people. I think climate changes is another
example of that. One person's truth is another person's lie,
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and this other person's truth could be the other person's lie.
So it depends on what scientists you're talking to, and
what philosopher you're talking to, or what politician you're talking to,
or what new reporter you're talking to. Right their truth
could be their understanding.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Things that certain people don't want you to find out
is the truth. They have a very good way of
hiding it on the internet or burying it. We saw
that at the World Economic Forum when this woman came
up there and came up on stage and she said,
when we google climate change, a bunch of things come
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up that we're not too happy about coming up. Things
that kind of question it. So we've worked the algorithms
when we put our things.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
First, partnered with Google to put our to make sure.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
That you get what we want you to understand what
you want we want them you to.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
So it's a battle over people's perception and a battle
over people's priorities and how they prioritize certain information over others. Yes,
we're saying we have the answer because we're either government
or we're some corporation or were some leader that knows
the truth, and you're just supposed to excell.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
It goes back to Reagan. I'm from the government, and
I'm here to help, really tell me about that help.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Maybe they are it's hard to trust.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And you can see with your own eyes what's going on,
But do you trust how that got to be that way?
Or is it just someone you know saying at an
agenda that they want to happen and they're just trying
to trying to get you to convince you to do that.
It's very fascinating. I think where we are an interesting time.
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Do I wish that we could go back? Yeah? I
keep telling everybody I just what would be perfect for me?
Is okay? I don't really mean to this extreme. But
if I had a landline and like a normal TV
where there was like four channels that were just journalists
not telling an opinion, and I didn't have a cell phone,
I think I would like that for a day, I think,
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or two maybe I would be like finding other things
to do. I always find some interesting thing when I'm
with my mother that's not a techie thing. She's an artist,
and I always come back from being with her and
I always say, yeah, maybe it's good to have a
day where it's I'm not on social media, and a
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day where I don't have to worry about when.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I'm missing like the old days.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Like the old days, like the early seventies, when it
was when we used to go out and play baseball
or whatever it was that we used to play. And
I keep going back, and I keep thinking, those were
the days. Everything has to progress, but it's progressing so
fast that we're missing. Sometimes I think we're missing. I
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always say this, but we're missing a three D world
that is right in front of us, and we're missing
all the beauty and all the things that we have
for our five senses in order to pay attention to
our phones and what we've seen sometimes I.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
The two D world. It's going from the three D
to two D world.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
And it was opposite. It was always it was opposite.
Let's go to let's see what happens if it was
always so exciting. Let's see what happens if we get
these cool cell phones. We can do this and that
they're so smart. Yes, they're so smart. Huh, let's call
them smartphones. That is what we were always well time.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
When phones were considered to be dumb phones.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes, that I would love to go back to that.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Back to dumb phone, umb phones, dumb phone. Back to So,
speaking of gadgets and technology, you've been recording this conversation
on a no Mono sound capsule.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
What's that.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
It's basically a device that has four microphones that connect
to a spatial audio kind of base station. Now, and
you can just put on a Lapel microphone the next wirelessly.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, you gave me the microphone, but I didn't have
any idea what I was doing. I just put it
on and you said we're ready to go, and I
was not.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Push the red button on it and it starts recording.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So what does that mean? Does it go into that
box or does it go somewhere. Does it go to software?
Does it go up to the cloud.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It goes up to the cloud. Ultimately, I'm also connecting
to the sound capsule with my iPhone.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Okay, so it hasn't.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Actually able to control it. So we're at like thirty
seven minutes, right.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, So if that's it, I feel like I've been
talking to you for five hours. So you don't need
to control it by this I'm looking over at this
little box here. You don't have to necessarily. It's like
you can control your phone.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, you can control it with your phone too.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
That's very cool. So how many microphones?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Does got a total of four?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Four microphones and spatial.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, they actually be unit has I believe eight microphones
on it that is picking up the sound, the ambient
sound around us as we're talking, and in the software
up in the cloud, it enables that audio to be
applied to the recording to remove all that ambient sound.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
That's what I was wondering. We can actually do more
than just have a microphone in front of us in
a studio that's padded and everything. It's really for the sound.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, I think it's an interesting mental juxtaposition. We're both podcasters.
We're both used to having professional microphones in front of us,
and we have this mental conditioning that you can't possibly
do a quality microphone ass you're talking into a quality
piece of equipment. You can't have a quality episode without it.
(33:52):
But I think we're reaching a point where we can
have the freedom to have more natural conversations without having
to sit in front of these microphones. We just clip
on these lapel mics and do the recording. Now, granted,
it does create an atmosphere that's much more organic for
organic conversation, but there's nothing to stop you from having
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a script outline in front of you with a beast
of paper or something like that that you could follow
as well. You could do this with a video recording.
What you would have to do is you'd have to
marry the audio up with the video and post production,
since the processing of this happens in the cloud in
post production. This is not a live recording type of
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a tool where you can use this technology to do
let's say a live stream or something like that. Okay,
so it's only going to work in pre recorded situations. Okay,
But you can set up a video camera and then
marry the audio with the video.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
So I was watching a live stream the other day
and the person was talking to another person, and so
he couldn't it was in a like a bar type
area or like a I don't know, I seen at
a bar where they were going to be singing and
everything at this stage. And so you're saying that would
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be that would be a case for what you just said.
It would be a It would go right to the
cloud and you could then download the audio and the
video to marry them together.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah. Yeah, you can do that in post production. Actually,
a lot of the audio editing tools allow you to
bring in a video. Of course, you could also do
this in a video editing tool too, and then just
replace the audio.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's funny because in that scene, I saw the they
both had two mics, and one of the mics wasn't working,
and I remember thinking, let's screwed up the whole thing. Yeah,
so they had to share a mic, and it would
have been much easier if they had these cool looking
little microphones just hooked up and they didn't have to
worry about the big clunky microphones that and that would've
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been perfect. It's very organic, like you said, it's very much,
just being out and being in a real life situation.
It's it's me, But you do have to if you're
going to record, and if you want to record someone
in say Texas, and you're in New York City, that
person would have to have the microphone. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
You can't really do it on a remote basis. Is
really an in person recording tool?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
That's okay? That that actually works a lot. I saw
another I saw a Megan Kelley interview. Okay, let's try this.
I saw a Megan Kelley interview where she had the microphone,
but there were four people, four podcasters, in a remote
studio away from her. Could they have used the numano
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n'mano set.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
It depends if it's live or not.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Okay, so it was recorded.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
You can still use it even though you're live. But
the only thing you're going to get is a recording. Okay,
it's not going to go out over the live stream.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
But this Megan Kelly interview, it was recorded ahead of
time because stuff out and everything. So could they have
a capsule and be in Texas, She's in New York
and they're doing their thing. They're actually if.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
It's being recorded, they could replace the audio that was
captured by the Noamano on site, and that's what I'm wanting,
and then replace that. It may be a little tricky
because ye Megan's audio would be in there too, so
it would be a little bit but.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
They have experts at that level. There's people that actually
know really it just.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Might be tricky to do it that way.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I'm is that I get so nervous about being about
doing interviews, even recorded. I get so nervous, and I
think it's wonderful. I don't think it's very free. Actually,
I don't think I would ever have thought that I
could feel as comfortable as I do right now. It's
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literally I freeze up and I even call people and
say I have to cancel the interview because I can't hint.
It's too stressful. But with Namano, with these microphones I have,
it's a very free flowing conversation and it's very it's
like we're just talking and that's it's.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Like this perfect situation of the kind of conversation you'd
have with someone like a Starbucks. And that's exactly where
you can use this too. You could use it in
a Starbucks, or you could use it in a hotel lobby,
or you could use it in whatever traditionally more noisy environments.
You could even use it in a restaurant and people.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
It is terrific. And I do have to say that
I like the that idea. I like the idea of
just being able to sit down and chat with someone.
It takes the stress off of me and it makes
me want to.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, it's interesting. The psychology of that, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
It is asch there. I'm very interested in the psychology
of it and why it exactly did that for me.
It is I think you realize when you see someone
that they're your friend. They're in it to get the
same thing that you're in it for. It can be
approached that way, and I think that this is really
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a good tool that you can use for that. It's
not intrusive. I didn't even I see the box there now,
but I wasn't even I'm looking at you, I'm seeing you,
I'm talking to.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
You, and that it doesn't get in the way. It doesn't.
It's not convers you that you're broadcasting.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
No, it's really actually if you hadn't really said that
that mentioned in the box, I'm talking to you face
to face and it's actually very It is freeing because
I do normally I like I said, I'm not an
I do not do interview doing an interview on my
podcast because of that. I specifically don't because I get
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terrified of what I'm going to say, if I'm going
to say the right thing. But I'm now freeing myself
up to be for it just to be a conversation,
which is the way it should be. In podcasting. That's
the best podcast you can have, is like a Joe
Rogan type podcast that's, hey, we're just two people having
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or in this case, it could be four people having
a conversation. So that's a great thing.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
And I still plan on using this with video recordings.
I've got a three hundred and sixty degree video camera
that I'm doing interviews with, and it creates a situation
where I can have two camera shoot almost so.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You've got to do both you're going to use in
a month.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
In that and actually capture decent quality audio through another
system that I have. It's a Laphel microphone type of
a situation that actually will record directly to the video
in the three three and sixty degree camera and then
in post production I could take the audio from this
and replace it, so it's almost like a redundant audio solution.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I have heard of that being done, like they overdubbed
the If you don't have good audio, they can just
swap it up right, And that's a great thing. I
do think that's exciting. What is the What as the
price of end of mone because I want to purchase
one now?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Of course they're about twenty five hundred dollars currently right.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Now, recently sign me up?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Do it? Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Let's do it. The thing is, if you find something
that's easy that's going to make.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
If you can afford it, and I think there are
lots of situations. I think people would be surprised. Truly
a revolutionary there's nothing else that I've been a audio
content greater for over twenty years, and every situation that
I've been in to record a podcast or do a
radio show has been this complex recording situation. Had to
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be in like a sound proof studio, or had to
have this expensive microphone or hows had to be aware
of the acoustics of any space that I was in,
and you just created a lot of stress going into it.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
That's what I say, But the thing is, this is
the way I look at it, is that if I
obviously I think we pretty much both would agree. Maybe
is that interviewing podcast with interviewing is has a value,
a different value than just a solo podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And if you could use this solo podcast, but.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
If you told me that I would gain sponsors or
doing something with interviews, then I might find it well
worth the twenty five hundred dollars to do that. If
I knew that I would gain people coming to my
podcast my episodes because I had Rob Greenley on The
Great Rob Greenley on Who Knows About Stuff? Or if
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I can position it like interviews that I Seth Godin
or Joe Roe, I could say, hey, they're going to
be on, and you can say you'll get a really
good audio podcast or episode out of this, and you'll
get more revenue or you'll get more downloads because of
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the interviews you're doing. That it really twenty five hundred dollars,
Maybe it may be worth it to me to have
that goal in mind of getting Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
A stretch if you really back up and you think
about how much you typically have to invest in the
same capability of this with more traditional recording methods with
a if you start thinking about the cost of for
sure SM seven B microphone, how much with that? Sure,
that's right, there are going to be two thousand dollars
(43:47):
just for those microphones. It's not a stretch to think
that this could replace the entire studio setup.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
And if you said, if you were to say to me,
and I'm saying to myself now, I'm I'm actually loving
having this conversation, this interview or whatever it is that
we're having conversation.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, I just like to call it conversation.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
It's not now, it's this conversation. And if I were
to think along the same lines as people come to
the episodes thinking I'm gonna gonna get new information, it's
not going to just be the same old staff. It's
going to be Steff talking to somebody, and that's going
to make her more attractive, that's going to make her
sound better, and it's going to expand the audience from
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that that are coming in and listening. Obviously, if you
have someone like Jordan Peterson, and then there's gonna be
an attraction there. And so it could grind to a
point where it's more revenue right for you and more
of something, more downloads, more of opportunities, So it would
be worth spending the money. You have to weigh the
(44:55):
options where if I find that I'm doing something different
with my episodes, I'm willing to take that chance. I'm
willing to if I find that I can get something
out of interviewing people and gather an audience that really
likes the people that I'm interviewing, there's no question it's
worth It's worth the cost. Yeah, what I always have
(45:18):
gotten in the past is how can you email me
the questions that you're going to ask? Yeah, that's that
doesn't help anyone, because in it's planned and you like
to have the conversation go where it's going to go.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
It's risky too. I've done hundreds of interviews, and usually
the good interviews don't follow an outline, right, They actually
listen to each other, and they actually respond back and forth.
They contribute value from both sides. It's just not a
one sided conversation, which has been typically what people have said.
(45:57):
If you're a good interview, you ask a question and
you shut up. But that's not necessarily in some situations. Hey, yeah,
they are that makes sense. And I think one example
of I think I've seen a couple of RFK interviews
were a very prominent interviewer was like quiet. The whole
interview was just RFK talking.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
And that's cool because you want to.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Get here what this person has to say.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yes, because of his he's a candidate for the big office,
as we say, and.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
His family has such a history, and.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
His family has such a history the more American Camelot
kind of scenario. Everybody love as close to royalty as
America could get as the Candy family. So you want
to capture that all the time. You want you want
to get as much as you can out of it.
And he is a wealth of information. My gosh, I
(46:50):
didn't even He's talking about things that are amazing, and
you don't want to miss a second. I don't blame
the person that's talking to him just keeping quiet, because Tucker.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I mean silent.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
You don't want to be like, I'm going to stop
you there because I have a question. Don't stop him
because you're going to miss something important. And he has
so much information. And that's the kind of the way
I would approach someone like that.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I just ask one question of getting started.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Tucker Cross and interviewers. I think he asked him like
two questions a whole, and one of them was really
like he had dinner with Mike Pompeo. I think it
was he and Tucker was like, what, wait a minute,
and then but then it went on and on and
he talked for another ten minutes. It was really quite amazing.
(47:45):
But that's another thing that I noticed is that if
you're really good at interviewing people, it is a conversation
and you know when to stop, and you do, absolutely
I believe, have to listen. If you're having a conversation
with someone, you have to listen because you know it's
going to be your turn next to say something or
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to ask something.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
And it's always a journey too. It's like I've done,
even in this conversation, ideas come into your head while
a person is talking, and you're kind of like stacking
up the potential responses or comebacks whatever, and it does
distract you from listening. What the magic is to be
able to listen and then only grab one thing right,
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so you're not spending all your time trying to come
up with new ideas and not listening. So all you
do is you just grab one thing and you hold
on to that and you continue listening. And I think
that's the trick to doing a good conversation versus an interview.
And a lot of people will prepare with an outline whatever,
and they'll have ten questions that they want to get through.
(48:53):
But my experience with it is that I maybe I'll
get through two of them.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
So now my big question you is that with this device,
are you going to be going to be interviewing or
having a.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Conversation that's going to be who knows?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
That would be tremendous and that would be right up
his allies to be able to just have a microphone
that's on his lapel.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, I could do it with I could do all
these interviews with a three in er sixty degree camera.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
That would be something if you were to get that.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Kind of learning how to do it, because I've done
a couple of interviews already with my three sixty degree
camera where the camera sits in between me and the subject. Okay,
and it just goes it bounces back.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Does it not to bounce back and forth?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
No? I tell it to bounce back and forth.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Based on the conversation before the conversation post production, oh
it is okay.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
So as far as the visual element of.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
It, okay, so you late, you put the camera on a.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Stand like a little tripod, and.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Then you have the conversation.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Got a lens pointed it me and a lens pla.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Okay, so it's a double okay, So that's.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
What I want to It's got two lenses, so.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
It's not like really going around three hundred.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Sixty degree it's actually recording three literally three hundred sixty
degrees around the whole time.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Okay, So what you want to what you're going to
do in post production is just get Okay, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Gonna say I'm flipping the views back and forth, all right.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
So you're gonna get you first, and then RFK Junior,
which I hope at some point you can maybe playing
around with it.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Then I can match up this audio with the video,
got it, okay, or I can just do just straight audio.
So I'm gonna likely I think this is a perfect
fit for my Spoken Life podcast, which is probably where
all these interviews are going to go, all these conversations.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Well spoken, it's not.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
A video show, it's it's an audio program.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Okay. So we won't have a video component.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Of spoken life now, Okay, it's like.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
A trust that's a trust factor thing, got it? Okay?
That that is interesting and I have in my I've
been thinking about my episodes and what I'm doing is
I'm doing an audio component to the episode and then
I'm doing a video that that goes along with the
same theme of the audio episode, but I'm showing different
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things websites or whatever it is. And I'm I think
that's interesting to have both both components. And I don't
know what to call if you just called a pod.
If you still call the video a podcast episode, it's
podcast because the video will also be put out as
an audio podcast episode too.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
You can just take the audio out of it, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
So I'm a little I'm still working on it, but
I am very impressed with this device that I have
on right now, this microphone. I think it is going to.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
If you want to see more about it, check it
out go to no mod dot Co.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Had spell no mon n o m o n o. Okay,
so it's so as I say no mono right, so
as I say no mono right.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
And it's spelled literally no n o mono m.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
O n O Okay, so it's no Mono, but it's
no Mono dot co okay, not dot com.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
You have to know that because if it's dot com
you'll get lost some.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, there's also the information there pictures, video demos that
show it in the contrast between a noisy recording and
a no model recording.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yes, I did see that, and it's quite interesting to
see the differences. And you can just change it and
that's it.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
So that's really I feel really exciting, lucky and fortunate
to be one of the first to have access to this.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
The capsule, this platform is it. They call it a
sound capsule.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Sound capsule is the actual device name. And then there's
the Namdo cloud, which is where all the post production
processing happens.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
And can you point to that cloud? Can you actually physically.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Say that cloud floating by.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Is actually the cloud that has your information.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
It's usually on your computer screen.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
It's not an actual cloud. No, you can't point to it.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
If you could point to it on your screen.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
That would be amazing. If you could go outside and
say that's the one cloud that has information on it.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
And there is a mobile app that comes with it
too that you can monitor you can start and stop
the recording. You can see which of the microphones that
you're using. In this case, we're using the blue and
green microphone.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
I was wondering why mine was blue on yours with green.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
And then the actual sound capsule or the base station
is called a space.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Recorder, is there? What is the thing about the Is.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
This an assignment so you know which microphone is?
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Okay, I've enjoyed this. This is great. It's so easy
to do, and it sounds like it's fun to use. Yeah,
it would be fun for me to get over my
stigma about having.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Worry about your microphone.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yeah, and all that's and also the actual talking to
people in conversation because I get so frazzled and nervous.
It's very easy to it's actually easy to forget that
you're you actually have a microphone.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
You should also, I think with a device like this,
I think it's possible and you could probab people can
do this if they want to talk to their elderly
parents and be able to record that. But that could
be done even with your smartphone too. But this type
of a device could be used for documenting your family history.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Or honestly I've thought about that, and I wish I
had done that with my father, and maybe I should
start doing that when my mother has start docu. My
mother has such interesting tales and I never even I
didn't even. I guess maybe I just tuned it out
when I was younger. Now that she's getting older, she's
coming out with more and more things. I'm like, did
(55:15):
that really happen? Oh my god, I didn't know that,
But I wish I had it on some kind of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
You could record it back and listen to it when
they're gone, because all of our parents will be gone
and will be gone some days, and if we had children,
they could listen to us.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
So that's a good thing for that too, Right, it.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Could be used for that. And I would think that
at some point in the future that there'd be a
version of this that would have like maybe only two
microphones or something like that. Yeah, that would be quite
a bit less expensive.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
I noticed I was having a conversation yesterday and and
follved about six people, and I noticed that everybody was
on a different plane of thought. So if you're on
the same if you're if you know ahead of time
we're going to talk about this, or if there's a
person that's in charge of what are leading the conversation,
(56:05):
they can lead it to be like this and there's
not a bunch of people stepping on other people's words.
And there's not, so it's you can control it more.
If you're actually in person with that, with a group
of people, you can I think you have more control
over it.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, and each of the microphones does have the potential
recording to a different track.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
That's very much so.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
In the software, you can edit each track separately.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
And so you wouldn't feel like you're stepping on the
words of someone else. Could you do that? Could you
edit like when that is so create a.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Little bit more of a gap in between those conversations. Yeah,
I believe you should be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
That's great. This is a great system. It feels well,
it feels good, it looks good.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Thank you, Sephany for Thank you so much for recording this.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
I've enjoyed. I've been wanting to talk to you and
have you. I have this conversation. It's about our two
podcasts and about this new no Mono system, and I
heard about that and it's great. I was I love
this conversation and it's I hope we can do it
again sometime.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
Go to Truthdetective dot com if you want to know. No, wow,
I got it wrong.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
Only slightly. It's truth Detective.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
Podcast podcast dot com only because truth Detective was taken, so.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
I somebody else is doing it too.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Truth Detective podcast dot com. If you want to email
me with any suggestions or questions or topics that you'd
like me to do research on, it's the same thing,
Truth Detective Podcast at gmail dot com, so I always
feel free to do that as well.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Right, sounds great.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
So thank you so much Rob for thank you for
having me and for talking to me. And I feel
very privileged range of topics. Yes, I feel very privileged
guy lucky that I actually got to to do this.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
So thank you much, thank you very much. Alrighty bye everybody,
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
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