All I See Is Red |8x06| Fear The Walking Dead

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Dealing with somebody else. Now Beyond The Walking Dead
Universe, because David Cameo, I'm joined by Cosmo 092.
Lord, surely a cape, lazy Gardener, that's taken.
And Bridget Koh Phi, Phi.com /, Punky Brewster that's pu and
KYB. Yo-yo is ete.

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We're here on a very bright and sunny Sunday afternoon At 3 p.m.
on the Eastern Seaboard. Who are you to talk about the
mid-season finale of Fear? The Walking Dead's eighth and
final season 6. Episode titled, all I see is
red. There's some cool things in the
merch store. Get your shirt with our faces on
them. Yeah, so weird.
That that's the thing, but put me on your body, put me on your
front part Doesn't belong in theback part.

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Cookie on your front part. I want that on a t-shirt.
Bridget. I hope you got the solution that
you wanted no cure for this episode.
I hope you're satisfied with yourself.
That's not what I. It's I'll do.
You want to know for this? I was saving room for a child to

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die. You cheering.
So turns out finches not immune fin, she got sick and Finch
passed in this episode. I kind of want to start from the
end though if that's okay with everybody where Dwight and
Sherry split but shit pissed me off.
Hey let's start with Rachel. Even finished asking, no, piss

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me off. No, I know she was right on
time. It was like and then the tape
continue to Justice. I don't have any qualms about
How It Was Written or anything like that from watching these
characters and everything that these characters have been
through now joints like whoa, I'm sorry, it was sort of like a
Morgan moment, right? Like everything's my fault.

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Well oh, when we are together bad things happen and win like,
get the fuck over. Yes, terrible things.
Happen are terrible. Things going to stop happening
because you're not together. No, terrible.
Things are always going to happen.
It's better to be together and comfort each other.
Through the Terrible Things. What, what is splitting up going
to do? And you know what fuck you
because you're going to get backtogether.

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Anyway, you're gonna find each other, you're gonna be like, oh
my God, it's been so long, I love you.
And then it's, they're gonna getback together.
Anyway, so fuck you, skip the middle part and just crawl, he's
dead, right? We killed him in.
This is bad. They already spent several years
apart. And they know bad things happen
when you're. So even when there are separated
exactly like Dwight you spent all of season five and six

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looking for Sherry and now you found her and now something
happened to like a fucking. I'm done.
What? Now I get it though, I get it
because this is grief. Talking grief has just twisted
their thoughts into the only waywe can make anything better as
to be a part blah, blah, blah. But as ironic, I'm not saying
grief will pass but they'll comeback to themselves.

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Be like that's this was the wrong decision.
I got the feeling that Sheree wasn't really into it.
She was just going along with itfor Dwight like yeah.
You're right. Let's, let's just we'll share.
He's like a drift mentally. She's like, oh, it's like the
question is when they both come back to it, is Sherry gonna be
like now you fucking dumped me at my lowest point and now I
don't fucking want anything to do with you because she needs

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comforting to it's her son, too.And he's just gonna cut her
loose to be on her own met her. She said that you doing that.
It's just grief and he's speaking from a place of Sadness
and not rational, thought I might can remember who had a
conversation with. I think it was Jaden Lalonde on
Instagram and we were talking about this or it was also Kira.
It was. I think it was clear, who is
talking about the spoiler chat? And one of the things I had said

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was because we were going back and forth on the things about
this season that they could havedone better in terms of what
people were registering. As talking down to you, like too
much dialogue to explain the situation rather than just
showing us show us the things rather than tell us, my the
thought process you had. But this is one of those things
in my opinion. We had said that it would have
been just a lot better to have, had that scene implied and not

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shown it. Oh, they split up.
They went their separate ways this way.
In our heads, we could think of all the different ways.
It could have gotten that gone down rather than watching it
live. The reason for that is you
wonder you ask yourself the question?
Why did they do that? And then you sort of answer up
by saying, oh yeah, like many people who lose a child,
sometimes it breaks them. Yeah, but because we had to see

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it. There was a sort of real like an
interesting cognitive Since you're watching it happen and
you're like hey but after all you've been through but if you
don't get to watch it happen, you can actually buy in because
your you say, oh it must have been so horrible that they
couldn't even be together anymore.
And then you think of all the different ways I actually
completely agree with that. I think had I not heard an

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explanation from Dwight. This might be sitting with me a
little bit better. Thanks, Kira.
And I write the show. No, it is.
It is very true because in real life there are a lot of couples
that can't get through the loss of a child together.
It's sad but it is. Real thing and that's probably
where my brain would have gone had.
I not heard an explanation from Dwight, it's another instance of

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horrible writing. I'm sorry, but this writing was
bad. This was a bad Bridget.
You just get you pulled a Goldberg and chambliss by
explaining that it was when I did that, it was better.
Even if they didn't speak. This still is was still an issue
of not showing the correct amount of passing of time.

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Their child died. They buried him and they
immediately break up. That's not how this works, dude.
By the way, that's how we got tothat conclusion, because what
we'd said was, if we had seen him carry the body over time
Silhouettes in the distance and had that time to absorb what
they were doing at the moment. When they finally get to
actually talking about it, you feel the there's a weight that's

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being passed through the course of the episode.
The problem that we need to thathome as a recurring issue that
we've seen in this season and probably even in season seven I
met You just couldn't verbalize it.
But there's just a genuine lack of showing a passage of time.
It's so weird because they use the red device for Morgan in
this episode, which was a great way to show the passing of time.

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What are you guys writing or like an intentional
unintentional? Way to not show the passage of
time. Meaning time is fucked up.
And here's why and that's fine. That's fine.
You be like oh your timing is going to be messed up because
you're in Morgan Shoes. I lost time.
Okay, now that makes sense. You've given yourself an excuse
but that's how how he led to that conclusion because you
can't really carry that grief throughout the episode and

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little spots. It would have been better to
actually have the moment. We'll get to in a second then
imply not even show them. That's that was my point.
It's not don't even show them. Just have somebody say in
passing. Yeah, Dwight went to go back to
Virginia or something, whatever,it is.
Hey, get that, you can't look ateach other anymore because
looking at each other reminds you of the child that you do not

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have anymore and you lost so much time with him to begin with
and you finally got Back and then everything fell apart.
There's so much emotion there. There's such a great story to
tell and you told it in the stupidest possible way, that
could have been beautifully donechasing the moment that that
particular moment, or like the whole story, the whole thing to
go back to what you said about passing of time having a time

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frame is necessary. If we're the care about these
characters because we don't knowFinch, we don't know him at all,
they're just jumping through time.
We have no idea how long they'vebeen together.
Finch loves us. Parents.
Now, just out of the blue. He's been conditioned his whole
life to not care because it feels like this isn't a span of
two days because they're not giving us any kind of time

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frame. I think.
So I don't see how we're supposed to think this is
realistic or care about it when it's so disjointed.
This in it's the same thing withthe kids changing their mind.
They've been conditioned their whole lives to believe in Padre.
But in two days, they've changedtheir mind, completely all of
them. But I like what they did with
them in this episode they reallystuck to my guns and stuff.
I'm not seeing, I didn't, I'm not I didn't like it.

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They heard the story by not letting us know what the hell's
going on. Time-wise, where do you think
the white went? He said he went to go home.
Where is home? Which is so weird because he was
told if he ever went back he would be killed.
Right? Why is that his go to area?
He's like I'm not that kind of sits his character too, because
I think there is a part of him that is somewhat like Morgan

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it's time to go back and right the wrongs or go back and clean
house fix what I broke. That sort of situation.
Well yeah, we know. I think maybe he would be okay
with that. I mean, it's been like 10 years.
We know that Darryl would be over it right, but Dwight
doesn't know that I think it doesn't matter.
Maybe he meant home as I'm like his childhood home or something

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and maybe he's from somewhere else, we don't know over area of
Virginia. Hey Mitchell.
Hey Mitchell. Hey Jasmine.
Sorry officially well, let's saywhat Jasmine said.
Also rip Finch so much of the season the problems come from
quote unquote, bad writing. I mean, isn't it?
Is it bad writing for clutter actual ad?
Anyway, they've got good characters and ideas but they
just can't seem to express. An effective way.
Yeah, well I agree to that end. It really does go back to what I

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have been saying, which I know it sounds like almost a cop-out
but it really isn't if they would have been given a little
bit more time to flesh that out more episodes or time per
episode. They could have probably given
us enough weight and of indicators on the passage of
time Logistics space to be able to actually make that scene have
a little bit more. Even if it's just a little bit
more impact, that would have been enough for me.

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Add in a few more scenes of them, caring Fincher or talking
about maybe break. Now, take that there's some sort
of missing portion of it that they cut it out.
But yeah, exactly what Chasm saying like what's our excuse
for season seven, that I can't trust it because they've chosen
to do such stupid things with writing and scripting.

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And don't get me wrong direction.
Has been beautiful. Cinematography has been killer,
the acting has been phenomenal. All of that has been, but the
writing is just not good, which is frustrating.
Because everybody else is givingit their all.
So, it's like so hard to see that.
Well, Lennie James to, this episode, beat him up.

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Let's throw Lennie, James and mud.
This is not God a couple times killer.
In this episode, the finch this kid, this kind of emotion that
you felt from him. You have a Warren real, that kid
is amazing. Okay?
If Dwight let's say is going to Alexandria?
Where do you think Sherry's gonna go?
Do you think she might stay whatI mean by that?
Also with Dwight he's not he's just like, Morgan is off the

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show? Is that maybe what?
We're going with, I don't know that that was confirmed and I
didn't watch the episode in the episode or I'm saying, I want to
say know that Austin is not leaving.
I'm again basing that on the fact that he was at the rap,
which is not a grand Decatur. They could always come back for
reshoots and stuff. I don't think white is leaving.
I think he and share, you're going to be back together again.

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He's gonna try to leave or something's gonna happen and
he'll come back or something like that.
I don't think that's the end of them.
Why'd you laugh, Rachel? It might be like the next
episode. Like the next episode wasn't.
I'm so sorry. I don't know what I was saying.
I'm Lorne. I gotta we gotta we gotta stick
together and get through this together as a group.

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They just keep playing it out over and over again.
They like right know what to do with them I'm having Deja Vu /
somebody leaving and then comingback like Alicia like this story
again like Nick like Alicia. Yeah, she left and came back
like an episode later. Yeah.
As far as Sherry goes I would think that she would stay cuz I
can't really see her striking off on her own again, you know,
not she's not capable. Or Mickey, I don't think it

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represents. The only thing I could leave our
see her leaving to do. That's it.
I can't wear. I guess trying to get even with
Negan. I think she's put that to bed.
I would say more Dwight. I think she's at a really stable
emotional spot right now where she can put all that in her
past. I mean, stable enough, she was
in a really unhealthy place again.

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Feels like it was like, a day ago that you brought it up, so,
I don't know me. Well, it's like seven eight
years, most of the time. So, Dwight even mentioned it in
that scene together. He's like, it's not like it's
Negan or whoever else he mentioned, I can remember now,
like, it's like Rush right Virginia fight, whatever.
Sure. I can, I had always regarded
Dwight as somewhat as a previously I kind of called him

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stupid. But really, he's a simple
Spoken, Man. He has wise ideas.
He has, he sometimes brings up nuggets pieces.
He's a simple spoken person, which is why I said, you know,
maybe maybe not have this dialogue, maybe not, I don't
know if it's gonna go over very well with everybody else.
It's not Austin. It's definitely the way he's
written. Of course.
Austin's. It is beautiful.
He's just a beautiful dude. All in all in all, but I'm just

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like in my mind. I'm cutting this part of the
episode out. This part didn't happen.
Yeah. It's not pretending like it's
off-screen McCarthy. Also didn't tell us the name
that they would have chosen for Finch because Dwight even says
fans, that's the name Padre. Gave him and Sherry says his
own. But in other words she said it
was she was so defense. About it.

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Like they had talked about it before but we didn't see it.
So I like this. Think they would have called him
John, right? I do too.
But I think I agree with Sherry though, whatever it was the
secret sauce that made them his son.
That part of him is part of it too.
That the Padre, the time and Padre is part of that sauce.
So he lived up to whatever name.He was given, it's fine.

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It like a bird, not a bad name. I'm glad we came.
We went over the meeting symbolism.
That's fair, that's fair. I think we all kind of agreed
though to like, oh, it's still abeautiful name.
Mmmmm. Why not, even in the apocalypse,
Sherry's fucking wardrobe was banging because I loved that
guy, that. All right, Sherry went
underwear, never mind that, I don't really want to know

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post-apocalyptic big granny, drawers, a couple of them, it's
a piece of burlap, I fashioned alittle cotton in the front in
the back, you know, just for Comfort.
They're see-through, but just because they're so old.
There's a couple of them, it's translucent material.

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Yeah, one of the Highlight moments in the episode outside
of anything Lennie, James was doing this episode, which
somebody was pretty stellar. This is one moment that really
got me hard core and I think it might have gotten some of you
two, when it came time for Dwight to decide what to do with
strike after June catches her, he's about to lift the the walk
into his mouth to say and it maybe he doesn't know exactly

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what but Finch grabs, his hand and puts it down, it goes.
Nobody should have to feel that pain.
I'm like oceans oceans of tears that fucking kid did make.
His name is on the was a fuckingkid.
What a fucking kid, a great child actor.
People are always like to electors with the worst.
Not always yeah. People say that a lot just us

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especially in regards to me, it was a beautiful moment.
Well let's show Sharon T what she showed me earlier and it's
this Audio podcast.

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What we're watching is, it's themean with Grant Gustin over a
grave, right? It's usually Grant.
Grant Gustin is that isn't that isn't right?
Yeah over Oliver Queen. I'll brains great Oliver Queen
dies and whatever. Sorry.
Spoiler alert who cares? W beaches?
It's like a behind-the-scenes photo and he's make flash in the
piece on towards the Camera but instead of Grant gustin's face,
it's Bridget's head and finches on the grace gravestone which is

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like, this is my, she's smiling,it's not even a shitty, really.
Happy about things being said, I'm not happy about it.
What? Come up with a cure but if we
haven't this kid dies compellingstuff, right?

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Folks. And you're like no I didn't want
to cure but I also didn't want this kid to die.
So you guys are jerks for even making this.
I didn't want to say this at all.
I'd held back as I didn't know how to feel about it but kind of
like what they did with the second episode of season, seven
with the the baby Frank and be their baby was actually dead in
the in the burlap luggage, right?

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Is rattling around and you have to kind of give it to Fear, The
Walking Dead for at least going there.
And they kind of took it a step further with Finch and you
actually get to meet the kid andhe talks and he does cool
moments like holding Dwight and from making her feel a ton of
pain, which he was really ready to have her do earlier on the
EPS. Until June says, let me do it.

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You need to do what I couldn't for my daughter.
What Morgan was trying to do with Mo?
Let me do this thing. Let me be that person for you
that nobody could be for me. The fact that We're kind of went
there, they killed a child when I know whatever way it was kid
got bit and we got to meet him and it sucks.
But in a way just like the last season of The Walking Dead, kind

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of how to put kid gloves for themost part until the last episode
that kind of held off into the last episode.
I had said also in the last episode just go all out.
Do the things, make some impactsmake some decisions that might
ruffle some feathers take chances, as shaky as the
writing, has been say, bad all out, because it's hard to say
bad to me because bad means, This is unwatchable in my eyes.

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It's shaky, it's bumpy. There are things that aren't
great about it, but I wouldn't say it was bad, but they're got
there. Taking chances.
At least, I don't like it, but Ialso like it that fucking kid,
an amazing kid. And even Jasmine says that was
such a good moment, except I wanted them to just go ahead and
torture her Finch wouldn't know,just do it.
Can I talk for a second? That might be what June was

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thinking of you, Sharon D, when Dwight make it quick and then
June, was it would be like this is the moment she's carbon or
not. Knives and shared easily, be
like jizzing all over the springbreak.
It's more than you deserve. Ship home.
When strike was, do it, give me the radiation.
She was like, nope. I was like, yeah, just like
Virginia. Where did he wander?

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Cut her hand off after she got bit.
Seems like, now I'm not gonna doit then let you die.
That's cool. Yeah, this gotta have it your
own way. She did the Pay It Forward thing
though, which I actually liked and I think you liked it too,
which was, hey Ben. She basically said you take care
of it which she could have done it herself and you would have
Fine with it. What?
Then she left, I would have stood there and made sure it

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happened. I wouldn't trust him.
I wouldn't trust. I want why?
Why? Because you got to put that all
on him and that's not your business.
And even if she doesn't get to do it, she'll bite him.
She Coulda stayed behind outsideto.
She's not have to like be there in the train car with him.
I think she did. She said of him not do it.
I wearing right? Yeah.
Yeah. So it seems like she.

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She was like, I'll give you yourtime.
It's very Within her character though, to give them the time
together, despite them not deserving it to honor, Dwight
and cherries. Wishes, despite the fact that
that isn't what was deserved when I also like that, that
gesture, that Finch gesture to Dwight carried through to June.
She knows that wasn't that was the power of a child saying why,

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what's the point I'm here with you.
Now, what's the point what happened happened?
The shot from shrikes vantage point when she's looking up at
June in the Walker head and I don't know which one was
scarier. I don't know.
I'd be more scared of June or the Walker Hank is June was like
I was a little totally shit. That looks like damn how are we
going to go full Carol pellet? A on this moment that what's

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happening right now, I honestly felt the same way and I actually
recently recently had a conversation about that as well.
Yeah, with my friend on Saturdaynight, I was like, you know,
around the time of the prison. I never knew what Carol was
going to do next. All the way through to season
nine, at least season 10 actually because hey there's no
source. Material, but be there's just no
telling. So when I saw a ball when I see,

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she saw Juno's like predictably unpredictable, right?
Exactly terrifying. Nothing's out of character for
her anything she does. You're like yo yeah.
Because you're like, oh I guess that's a new thing that she does
now burn were too much beeping this now I forget that.
Yeah, that's fine. Otherwise I think wiser thing,

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burning people all the time. What is with burning people?
Is that your thing? I like the fact that we know
better as much as you can I do want to see June break that
there's a party. It's like she brings had and
that was awesome. Okay.
All right, she broke bad, she went savagely, she cracked bad.
She cracked back, it was your break.
It can go back, she can go back.Maybe bent it a little bit,
should bent it. She didn't break it.

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The thing is she's not putting up with anybody shit anymore.
That's the most important thing.Love it.
She's definitely of it. Yeah, but she's like, somewhere
in between now, that's the perfect blend.
Well, why don't we go to shrikesdeath?
Why don't we cover all these little stories and the backward
really essentially? Yeah, the big part I sort of
Addicted. That in a sense that what if we
put shrike in a similar situation to say Morgan, where

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you see a loved one that you'd kind of abandoned and you left
for dead, she left him for dead in that container for the better
part of 13 years, not handling it and for a reason to her
reason was obviously kind of like Moses reason in this
episode MO is pissed off at Morgan.
We kind of pointed out in last episode.
You betrayed me or you betrayed Mom let's say well Dad you

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betrayed us, you left us Sin. It doesn't matter the
circumstances kids are weird. They'll be angry at you even if
it's not your fault, you abandonme.
That's how I registered that that moment, and when he comes
around, it's like this. Reminder that, maybe he wasn't,
it wasn't all about the bad parts.
That's what the flashbacks are all about.
It made me think of Maggie and season 11, when she saw the

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little deadwalker kid following her and almost let it bite her
because she was so freaked out that it was a little Walker kid
saying. And I talked about Game of
Thrones and that to where the wildling lady saw the little
dead Kids. And then she just froze and let
them all eat her. What are you doing?
Hey, it's not like you haven't seen your dad dead before you
saw him right after he died. This is not a shock because she
didn't deal with any of her emotions.

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They're really bludgeoning, it on home.
There was no finesse with this. She wasn't able to let any of
that stuff go because she didn'tdeal with it, and that's what
she was forcing. All those kids to do instead of
dealing with what might happen with your parents.
We just won't deal with anything.
Bingo Mo, don't think about yourmom being dead?
We'll just come do this instead.They were trying to drive that

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point home, but you could have done it a little bit better.
A little bit, a little bit better ham-fisted.
I think they could have showed alittle bit more cracks in shrike
psyche, like, she's like, are you I'm gonna kill you all.
And then like the very next second, she's freaking out and
dropping the gun and let him bite her props to Maya essay.
All right? Maya you did the best you could

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do when she looks back to Morganand Madison.
And she kind of has, like a smile, but also he's really In
out the same time that was beautiful man.
Fucking props to you. What did you register with in
that moment? I get to see my dad again but
also look at my dad and I know she probably blames herself
right? Even though it was not her fault
in any way. If anybody blame your stupid
brother for running after your dad for his dumb binoculars,

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which if you had just kept the fucking binoculars, there, you
wouldn't have, this wouldn't happen in the first place since
that's where the coordinates were.
Okay, whatever? Well, I mean, they didn't know
that they were it was there. They said that's the only
possible place after going through it all.
I guess it's kind of the grand irony that if And run after him
with a binoculars and they wouldhave them the whole fucking
time. I think that's pretty cool.
But Maya is a, you were awesome.The expression on your face.

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Fantastic. She also went down almost as
silently, as her dad did becauseshe only cried a little bit,
that seemed got me more than anyother scenes.
This episode. I know when I saw her look back
at Morgan and who was there at that time, Morgan war against
Madison? I think she was saying with her
face, I kind of get it, I get what you were fighting for and I
don't think it's it was my faultor it was my brother's fault.

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That's, I don't. That's what that face was.
I think that face was, why did Ilet my grief spill over to all
these children and families and she's looking at parents who've
lost who had lost their children?
I mean, Madison of course, but Morgan had lost in the first
place. He knows why he went out there
for his. He reiterated it over and over
in King County and they wouldn'tlisten to him.
Wait, wait, wait. Before you go any further?

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It just dawned on me. They're airing this on Father's
Day. Happy Father's Day everybody.
He did the same thing with Mother's Day.
It's a sick twisted sense of humor, and I love it.
I love it. I love it.
I love it. I'll never stop.
Loving it Athena. And now happy, Father's Day, all

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I see is Father's Day red. Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry.
There's no great way that those binoculars were still around his
neck. After 12 years in the swamp, or
in the containers, whatever you're in Georgia, it's humid
shit rots. Your face is writing but yet
these magical binoculars. Traps are still holding.
I'm sorry. I know it's a minor gripe, but

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it's just so ridiculous. If you can unstrap, it could
last. And these are military.
Grade binoculars, is just not like toys inoculating bottle
binoculars. I'm talking about the straps, I
actually vehemently disagree other than the binoculars
themselves, which is something that you can grab a know.
Because I've seen posts like this on mostly Reddit because
they're fucking awful hand to God, they're awful.

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But the fact that these Walkers they don't Sit down and take a
break. They don't only they don't get
tired. They don't lean on things
because they're like oh man my left legs like know they're
standing up and perpetually moving about feeling no pain,
feeling no gain, maybe a little loss except for his face.
And but you know we've made thatobservation before the people
that we want to be more noticeable just because the show

(25:59):
needs to make them a little bit more noticeable, make them more
noticeable rather than rotted off and whatnot.
It cetera. But these are like perpetual
motion machines. They don't take a break, so it
would stand to reason. In this crowded space but they
really don't have anywhere to gomostly so I can see that being a
thing. I have a bigger problem that
Madison just walks over and immediately knows.
There's a secret hiding compartment and them that's

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something other people isn't too, but I'm sorry to say just
like track was able to go. Sorry.
No, you can't do that in the last episode, they were
listening in to their conversations as well.
So they're all like know there was a secret hiding place in the
binoculars they just thought they thought the coordinates
were like in a pocket. Somewhere shrike says they've
Got to be in the binoculars. I don't know why, that's what

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she said, but she said it on thewalkie, okay, I don't remember
here on that line. Yeah, she had it says it was so
weird because I was like, why isthat where you would assume they
would be a cinnamon hot killer? Well, I wouldn't be in his
pocket. Yeah, it's got like a bajillion
Pockets, he's wearing a cargo best and cargo pants first thing

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exactly. So I was thinking it was because
when they Showed their backstory.
Did they say something like the binoculars are so you can see
what's coming or something. So it would be like some kind of
symbolic thing to have where they're going, the
forward-looking Padre in the binoculars or something like
that. To doesn't go anywhere those

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teams that I'm doing it. Dad, put him in there.
He's like, this will have great symbolism like whenever he looks
up, he's like, Yep, they're still there.
They're still there. I can see my future.
My future is bright. The swans Walkers were fucking

(27:45):
choice that one Walker. I don't remember exactly what
part it was but you could see like the mushrooms and shit
growing out of its neck and it was all they were an our lab.
Yeah, that was awesome. Some of the touches were
actually really cool to like, just simple touches like, the
one. There was this one woman Walker
with I think the red shirt or something.
It's when Morgan and Moe were inthe swamp and he's, you know,

(28:06):
flipping back and forth between clear is not clear.
She's Catwoman. Walker himself.
She's taking her on and she justhas this big bubble of neck.
I'm and it's just amazing. And she's discolored and
greenish whitish bluish. She looks like a monster is
itchy a casting call for people with goiters?
Yeah, if you got to go lighter, come on.

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Over here. I have so many minor pet peeves
and this episode but there's so many that all together.
It's annoying, they combine and Voltron peeve.
Oh yeah, pretty much. Like how one second Morgan's
telling Madison, you'll never find the boat house, you could
be standing, 10 feet next to it,and you wouldn't see it.
And then the next scene is mowing like, oh, there's The

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Boathouse and she's like, and he's like, it's all overgrown.
You can't see it. Like, it's white out in the
middle of the Open Water, like, that's fine, but I mean, when
they're standing there outside of, it's like all those open
water around it and it's just sitting there.
Yeah, I S your everyday audience, doesn't write your

(29:11):
casual viewer. Doesn't really notice these
things because they just watch it once and then they move on
but they're counting on nobody ever thinking about these
episodes. It doesn't matter.
Just put it out there. Nobody's gonna notice, I'm
comfortable with the thought that Baby Mo.
I still call it baby. When you call our baby Mo
forever is pretty fucking bright.
At least, there's reason to think that she's smart enough to

(29:31):
have found it. Well, absolutely.
There's a pattern here, I'm on board with that.
But what I'm saying is like, Proclaimers, saw it you Could
see it with your eyeballs and they were super far out.
They were much more than 10 feetaway and Morgan's, like you'll
never find it. You could be 10 feet away and
you, but to her credit, she saw it like through some reads, and

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it was only her who saw it at the time.
It was not the other kids currently Madison with mice
together because you have a camera.
So here's, here's the thing withMoe.
I've noticed here's a pattern, I've noticed, whatever Morgan
tells her to do she wants to do the exact opposite.
I want you, I want you to go back to Padre.
No, I don't want to go back to Padre.

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Okay. I want you to stay with me.
No, I want to go back to Padre. I want you to get on the boat.
No, I don't want to get on the boat.
Okay, don't get on the boat. No, I'm gonna get on.
What the fuck. Kid.
Every that single thing. He says she wants to do the
opposite. How much exactly is it?
That's that's anyone's child. So consistent.
So real, have I ever told you the story about how I broke my
leg. My dad had a bunch of people

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over and I'm 5 years old or 76 years old and I'm like I want to
stay up. I'm not going to bed, it's like
a Bugs Bunny. It's like a Looney.
Tunes thing is that you're goingto bed.
He's like, he's his hands on hiship.
He's a big. I don't know why his Big Texan
belt buckle, don't ask and I'm like, I am not going to bed.
Feels like you are going to bed.It's like, I'm not going to bed
it goes. Okay, you're not going to bed

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and I'm like, I'm going to bed. I head for some reason, like,
he's psychologically. Fuck me up and I head straight
for his belt buckle. I Stumble back and fall down the
stairs. I wake up in so much pain.
Everybody's around me, like whathappened?
Like you said, you were going togo to, you're going to go to
bed, but I didn't think you would and then he just bumped
into me. My legs folded in on themselves.

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As I was hurtling, that you're made of paper.
No. And then I felt I was on the
second story and then I felt back down down the stairs, like
a story and you may have paper and then he's not taking me of
the burnt, the fucking emergencyroom, he felt so bad like is

(31:37):
because like he knew what he wasdoing.
And he's thinking, okay, if I keep the, if I change it around,
it's like, yeah, my bad. I fucked her them.
Now he's in. Now, he's in the hospital, he's
gotta get a cast at 3:00 in the morning or something joke's on,
you know. Yeah.
But that's, you know, that's that's one is, that's very
typical of children. If you want them to do

(31:58):
something, you tell them to do the opposite and then they do
the thing that you actually wantthem.
Well, I'm Morgan has not figuredthat out apparently, right?
Yeah. Nobody's until the end until he
said, you know what? All right.
I'm going to let you go and thenshe's like, no, I want to be
with you forever. If you love something, set it
free, then we'll just Klingon. You like can cling flame.

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What? Cling cling?
Cling flaming grappling? Grappling with clear, plastic
wrap or Saran. Wrap are using cling.
Cling cling, cling wings wings. Yeah, Jasmine cling film.
That's what I was thinking. Thank you.
You were not saying the word film by now.

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No, it wasn't saying it but knewwhat I was trying to say cling
film and Flames, weird coins, will mmm-mmm-mmm, thank you,
Jasmine Clem, just like what we do with the show, we always try
to figure out what they're trying to say.
How did you feel about that seen?
How going anywhere Johnson talking about now?
I was afraid to lose you and lose myself in the process.

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You know, credit to this episodeat least they built that up,
appropriately. The one thing that they did in
this episode was build up that Ilose people, I lose myself.
Go and clear means you feeling like you're You've already lost
like he lost your kid. I like that the kids stood their
ground, I like that. They fought really hard, but I
also like that they couldn't kill their parents.
I'm gonna say therefore the justbrevity there's something about

(33:19):
powerful and innate about that. Okay.
So there's one of the parent actors.
I don't know who it is. I don't know what her character
name is but it's the not odessa's.
Mom. Do you know?
I'm talking about that woman that she got here.
The acting chops on this woman who has been given next to no
lines. Is over the top, are you okay?
There are scenes like we're she's in the background there

(33:42):
talking and her facial expressions are not that it's so
good. It's happening very she stands
out. She definitely stands out
because I like I like her a lot.Yeah she's a real intensity that
we just weren't getting from theother parents.
Yeah. And it was just enough to also
because you know, sometimes background actors can be like
whoohoo really. And do it like dude, just your

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Good where you are. Just don't overact, you're good.
She was definitely just enough. She makes up for maybe the last
And some of the parents, let's say I and that's fine too.
These parents they've been through hell that's appropriate
but I like that the kids didn't.First of all didn't kill her
parents. I'm just going to say there I
like that. They said that g is what really
good look with the girl who was holding a gun on.
Yeah I noticed that too and it made me think is that her

(34:25):
daughter right? That's exactly.
And she's gonna get that. That was exactly what I thought
too. There were a lot of moments
where I thought, one of the parents were going to, like,
recognize the kid, the hawk Dynamic with the guy that he was
holding a gun. And I'm like, dude, man, oh, I
know. I was like, Waiting for the guy
to be like, I don't know. I used to sing to you.
You know? Like, they like the jit, like
the lady did to David or something?

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I don't know. I just, I kept waiting for
something to happen between those two and they didn't.
Are you glad that they didn't though, in a way I do?
I mean, it just, I mean, it is what it is.
It just it didn't happen. I mean, okay, I don't write the
show, obviously, I didn't reallyfeel anything one way or another
about it not happening. But what I was like, I don't
know, had some type of feeling about was Crane and But like,

(35:09):
mostly crying was like yelling at the kids, like pull the
trigger as he's holding a gun onDaniel, not pulling the trigger.
I was thinking the same thing I'm like, I'm like, Dove you.
So you so excited to kill somebody, why don't you grab a
gun and shoot somebody, why don't you do it, or crane crane
standing there with a gun on Daniel?
The first thing I thought was Brigitte is gonna love this
scene because Daniel is calling back to his childhood.

(35:31):
Yeah, it's really a certain, someone messaged me Mitchell.
And did you watch Did you know? I was like, no, I haven't had
time. This was Thursday morning and
he's like, I don't think you're going to like the end.
And I was like, oh god, what thehell?
Like, latter half of the episode.

(35:52):
I was like, what happens? What happens?
What happens? What happens that they can
better though? No, no, I thought that Dove was
going to shoot. Daniel like the other side of
this place. I thought you was gonna be like,
if no one's gonna do it. Like she was just gonna turn and
shoot and I was so Scared for Daniel in the whole scene, I was
terrified because I was like, no, this is why we not get

(36:14):
because I thought that's what I'm saying.
Okay, JJ did the same it to me, except he, he messaged me and
he's like, this might be your most favorite episode of all
time. And I'm like, all right.
What's his fuck is? That means you've gone.
Fuck somebody else or don't trust anybody anymore.
Morgan's gonna die. I'm like, what the fuck guys in
at the end. I was like, I was like, AJ, what
are you talking about? He goes I just knew how happy

(36:35):
you'd be that Madison was taken over, Mike, you fucker.
I watch the whole episode. Going, what the hell's gonna
happen? Why is this gonna be my
favorite? Morgan's gonna die?
Ah AJ I'm calling you out you little shit than I probably
would have had initially. Otherwise I'm not mad at

(36:56):
Mitchell. I was just like, why would you
do this to me? Like, the whole guys, I know you
think you're giving us non-spoilery hints or whatever,
but you just started, Just don'tdon't message me on Thursday
mornings. Please you don't like frazzled.
You're like you're like you're looking around every corner just

(37:17):
like to not see a spoiler like okay is that is that a spoiler?
The internet is is dark and fullof Terrors.
We enjoy that. He was Daniel.
I love that he called back to his Origins.
But the one thing I wanted to bring up and it has to do with
strikes death scene and her getting bit by her father but
also has to do with crane is that I don't know if This is

(37:39):
intentional, but it seemed more apparent to me on the second
watch. They looked more like children
in this episode, then they had to me in previous episodes.
I don't know if that was intentional.
I don't know if there was like amakeup choice or if they got
them, bigger clothing or something.
But, like something about them like, like, they're like kids

(38:00):
like slightly bigger stuff so that they look smaller.
Yeah, ill-fitted crane was giving me super Jon Cryer Vibes
for some reason. Like, what?
Little - around his neck and he's ducky, but like, yeah,
donkey. Third category to he's ducky.

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And so it was like, these two kids were playing adults and it
became very obvious to me in thein the second run through
they're trying to be adults and they're not and it could have
been nothing. It could have been that, it just
dawned on me during that re-watch, that they really are
acting like a petulant children like abandoned children, trying

(38:43):
to play adults like the scene with poor Ben has as screaming
at the kids was such a like tantrum that has such that that
kind of is where it started where I was like, they look
younger for some reason. Here's what's going on.
He's trying to get somebody elseto do it because he can't you,
because you're sitting there going, you have the gun, you're
waving it around. Why don't you do it?
Show him how it's done. Even you could get the ball

(39:04):
rolling gun. So sick.
You do it was pretty fucking Wilder.
Got was awesome. And why wouldn't he, right?
He'd have the coolest gun. I'm crane heshes.
This is strike. And then meet Padre.
No, you don't get to meet Padre.You don't get to meet the daddy
adds to his childish. Peter, he's such a kid that he
looks for the biggest coolest gun.
That is the thing to not get lost on its that, they're all
the same. He's not that much older than

(39:25):
them. Either way, they're not even in
the 30s, there in their, mid-20setcetera, whatever it is or late
20s. Even, let's give them that much.
And not having your dad are losing your parents that early
on in this kind of world where you don't have any rearing and
you forcibly. Don't have rearing the adults
that you take on. And in this community they're
not parent figures are not taking care of your taking care
of them. Effectively under the guise that

(39:47):
somebody else is He's up there, General, chronic is up there.
He doesn't show himself to anybody, so they're assuming
that role in their fifth. Try to figure it out along the
way. But all under the guise of, he
abandoned us. It doesn't matter that the facts
are that, it wasn't his fault, it wasn't his choice but that he
did it for them. He abandoned us, they went off
of that anger and Trauma and putit on him on their dad this

(40:09):
whole time. And when she saw him, again, all
of that came flooding back. All the good times came flooding
back. She was trying to raise him the
whole time. She was trying to be like a
shrike. She was trying to take the We
have him and grabbed it by the neck.
Snip, the little things they can't move and then just bash of
against the king, that's what she was doing to his memory the
entire time until she finally saw him.
Again, that's the look that I saw on her face, that look of
sort of it that he did exist. She was almost happy that she

(40:31):
exists that he existed, there's something so beautiful about
re-watching, that moment which Ididn't get to see again, but I'm
seeing it in my head. I was happy for that moment
because they're irony isn't loston me.
Everybody has their own way of processing grief.
Obviously, some are more dramatic than others like
killing people in Walker. Hers.
But this to me seemed in a way, like, when it came to seeing her

(40:51):
father. Again, it seemed to be more
natural. The idea of trying to erase the
memory. It's too painful.
The idea of him is too painful. We have to survive, somehow, can
we go back to like Impressions? Before we do that though, it was
decent course, my number one episode for the half Seasons
going to be June's, right? That's without saying just is I
like this probably better than any other episode of the Season
other than using this is like a number two.

(41:12):
Yeah. Oh even more than King County.
Yeah. I like to King County.
Okay. But this I like this because I
had everybody Get it to in therewas things in this episode, just
like King County, all The Walking Dead, callbacks other
than the nitpicky things. I liked it.
It was good enough that I watched it three times and I
didn't feel like, oh my God, I never want to watch this shit
again. Like I have a few other ones
right here. Like, okay, let's this was first

(41:33):
watch. No.
No, it's go. And I kind of had a revelation
when Mo was saying goodbye to Madison when, but she and Morgan
believing that Mo and Morgan areMadison's Amina to honor her
children. She took the two broken Birds.
Under her wing and help them andthing and they continue to live
and that fits in with the bird theme.

(41:53):
I was like, man, okay, I got that for it as small instant.
I did Nate medicine a small, tiny little choked up there
actually because I remember thatepisode was it?
No wonder, I was no one's gone. I'm referring to 409 the Charlie
episode know, for 10, Close YourEyes, the dead bird that was
clogging up the flue. I justjust it was a minha all

(42:14):
over again to honor Nick and Alicia, she took the baby bird.
Fixed her and let her fly away and this is her thing.
Now this is her thing is to mendthese birds which also kind of
takes me to the parents and the children and the kids not being
able to kill the parents and I say they are parents mostly
because it kind of goes to I think something that you said
charity or where the idea of found family means that your

(42:37):
community that all these parentsare all these children's
parents. When you look at them they might
as well be their parents at thisstage.
Like even though Madison is going to work really hard, let's
just say Match these kids up with their real biological
parents, right? Rachel, but for all, I laughed
so hard when I re Watch the lastepisode.
I waited and I'm sorry I now I felt bad because I did cut you

(43:00):
off because you were trying to say the thing that we usually
that we usually say no. It's your parents been yours.
Oh yeah. I actually felt that they were
mother and daughter and I just I'm so sorry, I felt that.
But for all intents and purposes, these parents are all
these kids parents. They that's how it could be.
Lets say like in Alexandria, like Schrodinger's parents, that
all your parents until one is your until they're not exactly.

(43:20):
You look into the box like the Judah situation.
Oh, but all these people AlreadyJudith parents essentially, they
all kind of raise it, right? And now there's it's a bunch of
parents. Actual parents taking care of
all these kids. It's just beautiful.
Just like with the kids in season 5, they could just not do
anything with that. And I'd be fine with that unlike
the kids in season 5. We don't know where their faith
with their fate was essentially they basically just perfect.

(43:43):
If they showed up in Padre, they're all their two kids.
Yeah. I have four seasons ago.
Maybe they can run. Their parents were already dead
so it'd be perfect. Wouldn't that be pretty cool
though? If they kind of wrapped up some
of the things that because it's fine, if a series doesn't want
to go back to a character, that who knows the Proctor is the,
who cares? But like some things that you

(44:05):
really got attached to some things that actually played a
hand in the seasons? Wouldn't it be cool for that
stuff to come up? I don't care about the Proctors
for all I care. They died in the fucking damn, I
don't care if they come back. I hope they're dead.
It would be really cool of characters that we loved and
cared about would show back up, Sarah.
Hmm. Oh man, I really left.
When opened didn't, I they did give props to Isaac and Rachel

(44:27):
in the title card though, when Iwatch that for the first time it
was the middle of the night. I fucking stood up and go, oh my
God, oh my God, oh my God, this title sequence, I'm yelling out
to somebody. That's not there.
It's like look what they did andlike, it's me, it's just me
ravelin. It's me, she's asleep.
Don't worry about her. She sleeps to Irving.

(44:48):
Worry, worry about me mental here.
I didn't quite have that reaction but I did enjoy.
Enjoy it. I was like oh oh that's cool.
And then I saw John and I went oh yeah getting cooler when they
well at the very beginning when they were showing that when
Morgan was flashing right at thevery beginning you could see
Walker. John in the water I was like oh
don't you know? Oh yeah yeah when he was seeing

(45:12):
red. Yeah but it was powerful
surprise. Dakota wasn't in the fucking
title card with him to since he loved her.
So damn much weight did reach ofthe river impression of this
episode. No We just teach here and get me
all like, riled up. I'm sorry.
Give their precious besides Bridget, that's how it always

(45:33):
goes. However, gives our first
impression is the only one. That's how it always goes down.
Never give my first impression only impression, guys, you all
know that I love every episode that ever existed.
So I never get my first. My first impression is not, we
don't we didn't really need to talk about.
I'm very neutral. But I did not feel one way or

(45:55):
another, and there were moments that I really enjoyed and then
there were other moments that made me roll my eyes and go
seriously. I find myself just like straight
down the middle of the path. On this one.
It was an episode that happened a long episode on, there's
nothing to it. I actually really liked this
episode. I enjoyed it now mind you

(46:15):
mentally I have detached the Dwight and Sherry's I don't even
think about it. It's not.
Part of it happened in some other Universe.
I enjoyed it for the same reasons that I enjoyed King
County but I also really liked the ending.
And I don't mean like the bonus ending.
No, no. Forget that.
For now, like leaving and givingthe show back over to Madison.

(46:38):
And I know that far that isn't what everybody wanted, but it
makes more sense. It started with her and her
family. This makes sense, though they're
going to end it with her to comefull circle.
This might have been my favoriteso far.
So far this season. Yeah, there's a lot of payoff in
this episode 24, all the development in the, in each

(46:59):
episode. They all the leading up to that.
We even said, I feel like at theend of almost every episode
almost every episode were like, oh, this is a wait and see.
We'll see what happens in the next one, even with King County,
you're like, okay, well, Grace got bit so, well, she'll get her
radiation and radiation will cure her bite and then she'll
she's okay. No, it did feel a little bit.
Like, do you remember how we felt about season 11 of The

(47:20):
Walking Dead? 11a felt really weird and Acted
there were trying to rush through storyline real quick to
get to like the good stuff. That's what this felt like every
purrs. Yeah, yeah, forget it.
That's what this is about. Like, like shrike and crane are
the Reapers of the season and I'm like does no one in this
universe know how to write, likea good less.

(47:40):
He sells more than or is he the devil isn't because did they
know it was going to be the lastseason.
When they started writing it, I was listening to somebody and
they were saying that they must not have known.
This was going to be the last season when they start at the
Padre shit. And so when they found out it
was the last season. They had to kind of crammed
everything in there and then have the episodes left over to
do what they wanted at the whatever the ending is going to
be. I make sense, I'm not 100%

(48:01):
convinced but I the feed the sentiment is there and also the
feeling it's not only them it's us to we acknowledge this at the
beginning of 11a and we were resigned in 11 B and they were
fearful in love and see, we're all walking on eggshells.
I'm walking on eggshells food with this with this season.
I'm trying not to let it get in the way, but it's even.
I'm look at me, I'm admitting oh, bad writing, bad diet.

(48:23):
Hear me guys? Tell me to be the stalwart
person who's very annoying and please tell me to be that
person, somebody has to be dark side constant.
It's been tough. It's because it's the second one
to end burden you bear. It's hard man.
Quick little thing. I wanted to point out about
title cards is Morgan's, is the first time.

(48:45):
It's a male. All the first five episodes were
females on the title cards. It's interesting Mo, Jun
Madison, Jenny Grace. And then Morgan, well, that's
not All males left at least maleprotagonist side for Daniel.
Now, Dwight is indeterminate. Yeah, crabs are bad thing.
Jasmine says, my favorite momentfrom this episode's Morgan.
Revisiting, Easton's grave. You know, when you talked about

(49:06):
Morgan leaving the show, I wanted to get into that, but let
me continue what she says. I recently watched here's out
here, the Eastman episode Still Remains one of my top three
favorite episodes of The WalkingDead.
Best way for more going to exit in my own opinion.
The sequence of events because they miss is to your point
charity Rachel Bridget. I was a little confused.
I'm like, what is Eastman's grave doing here?
All of Sudden, where are we? Yeah, like, we're gonna be fair.

(49:29):
I figured it out after the episode reading.
One of the Reddit posts, of course, the content doesn't
matter, but the idea that I had to find another source of be
like, okay, so when they left onthe beach because they're in
Georgia, 2's, I think that's where Eastman was.
That, that makes sense. They could have just taken a
short trip. Could have been a day maybe on

(49:49):
the coast because that's where Eastman was buried in that
episode apparently Lee and then they got to the coast.
They got to where they needed tobe in Georgia, somewhere,
wherever it is, visited his grave and then bury Grace there,
as an homage to her and to Eastman for what he gave him.
Jasmine, just said, Eastman's cabin was near Atlanta.
And that's that's right because he talks about in that episode
of how he left Atlanta like, butthe grave clearly is not an

(50:12):
Atlanta itself. No, it's not in Atlanta it's but
it's outside of that cabin in that area graveyard area was
near his cabin. Okay?
Okay. Okay.
But not far away. Okay?
I will say that the Eastman graveyard scene made me tear up
Michael, I really did tear up togoing back to Eastman.
First of all made me remember that I used to like Morgan at

(50:34):
one point. I like Morgan, The Walking Dead,
here's not here. It didn't make my top five list,
but it is one of my favorite episodes because it's 613, 612,
something like that. Basically, thank you for saving
me and making me into the person.
I am, even though I've changed, you still may be a better person
that kind of thing. He was saying, and it was just
touching me, all life is precious.
Yeah, the all life is precious. That was it the all life is
precious doesn't mean kill or not kill?

(50:56):
It means been the best quality time.
You have with the people you have, which is basically been
the whole message of the show, right?
Spin. The time you spend what time
this season. I mean, throughout the entire
show, we're all basking in the glory of your touching moment.
Honestly, it's also I love that,dude.
That played Eastman. He's such a thing as the same
rific actor such reindeer. He's an amazing actor.

(51:18):
I just think it pays homage to what you were kind of waiting
for. They said they would never These
two shows but then they did but they didn't give you the
connection that you were lookingfor.
And this finally gave you some of that connection that, okay,
we got King County, and we wrapped this up and Morgan is
growing, and it's been many years of him not growing as a

(51:41):
character and kind of staying the same and I express his
sentiment. When I talked about potentially
strand dying in this season, because I hope that he would
sacrifice himself for those around him.
Because, historically, Ali, he always has done the opposite and
so it would be really refreshingas sad as that would make me to
see him grow as a character. And it almost seems like all of

(52:03):
these people on Fair. Have been treading water for a
really long time. They'll have development, but
they'll immediately backpedal itand all the sudden, they're
exactly who they were or it won't mean as much as we thought
she would be Dwight have gone through the same story arc, like
four times. We want to be together.
We don't, you know, it's like a whole thing and June finally got
that forward movement this season.
I felt like She really flourished all the sudden and

(52:26):
became the person that you wanted her to be, you wanted her
to step up, you wanted her to have autonomy over her own life
and show that and all of that was finally showcase here.
So I feel like finally, we're getting the forward movement
that we wanted out of these characters.
Everything gets a return. Is that we're trying to say
finally Morgan is not weighed down by this same.

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Yeah. I see it.
Damn, it's cold. It's like yesterday.
Okay. Jasmine's just going.
She's like, yeah. Yeah, well Jasmine when you get
a chance speaking as somebody who has loved Morgan for a
while. But like when it comes to fear,
I feel like she hasn't was this satisfying for, you Jasmine.
Well, Jasmine answers. I want to say that I appreciated
Morgan bringing up the origin ofhis stick to.

(53:09):
Yes. So, yeah.
When you gave this to me, and I was like, oh yeah, he did.
Yeah, and much like Morgan. The stick has changed 17 x TW D
design. I think it is.
Is this interesting sir, Graham account has been like drawing
these iconic things in The Walking Dead universe and one of
them was a carousel, image of all the different versions of

(53:31):
Morgan. Stick over the course of which I
posted in our stories at some point, which obviously is gone
by now. But yeah.
But Jasmine, what I mean is, youhaven't always liked most of
Morgan's decisions fair enough because I think most people
haven't, but did it feel kind ofgood to see your boy make some
moves. This episode come to some
resolutions come full circle. Urkel have his return.

(53:55):
Let's say finally passed throughthat membrane, where he may not
have to worry about going, clearanymore and knows what it means
that when you lose people, you don't really lose them.
And maybe that's like the Devolution on no one's gone till
they're gone. It's not about the people
necessarily but their memory andwhat they mean to you.
Even if somebody steps off the frame, it doesn't mean that
they're gone or steps into The Ether.
We are the collective memory of the people we leave behind.

(54:17):
We are everything that they meanto us.
We, we carry that all of us in life.
And so he came to that Illusion.It's good to see that.
He finally gets what a lot of people in this universe have
gotten not right away, but sooner Rick's little flashback
season 9, episode 5, his little dream sequence with Sasha.
That's what she was trying to tell him.
We carry their memory, we take them with us as we go.

(54:40):
We do that for them. But what I like about that is
everything I liked him up about Morgan from the very beginning,
because I identify with that, I sit here, I say things, I go on
Yarns and whatever. I'm not the sharpest tool in the
shed. Times.
It takes a while for me to come around and figure things out for
myself when it comes to my own personal world to.
So for Morgan to finally see that to come to that it's

(55:01):
realistic. Everybody comes to things in
their own time. Kind of like Alicia coming into
herself as a leader over the course of several seasons until
we kind of see it and season 3, get a taste of that and the
bunker and then you get a littlebit more of that later on.
You get are leading and season for, you know, leading the, the
survivors Strand and Luciana against John Dory and Morgan

(55:22):
going on the attack. Actually sees leader of the
pack. She's the head of the wolf pack
and then she kind of drops back and then she kind of steps up
again. It's cool to see these changes
over time because you feel them.You feel like it's genuine.
It's authentic in a sense it's not like a flip-flop.
It's like no, this is what it looks like.
People sometimes take a long time to come around to what they
were probably going to eventually but it's realistic.

(55:43):
It's not a big swing. It's not a dramatic change, it
doesn't feel believable. That's what people are.
People change incrementally and when you do that that change
sticks, usually but Jasmine. Sighs.
I've always liked Morgan in bothThe Walking Dead and Fear The
Walking Dead. I'm glad they didn't Justice in
this episode even when I haven'tlike some of Morgan's Fear, The
Walking Dead decisions. I've always held a soft spot for
him. Okay, it's cool that you
clarified, that, I appreciate that.

(56:05):
We've spent a lot of episodes with, well, a couple of at least
episodes were Jasmine breaking down episode.
So it was kind of nice to see her kind of go crazy when it
comes to these Morgan referencesin the chat, can we talk about
Morgan leaving the show briefly?Because you'd think that I'd be
really, really sad about that and maybe still hasn't
registered with me yet but I'm All right, I think I'm okay with
that. You don't always have to be sad

(56:26):
if it's a good send-off. Yeah.
They I didn't expect it to be. They didn't start of a walker,
and you have to see a body either, but, you know, there's
always a chance. Come back.
Yeah, Madison full. It was a hopeful sign off,
right? It's not like John, he's just
leaving and you don't know anything.
And that's the thing. You'd think I'd be like, oh my,
but when I want, my guy went to see my guy in the next episode,

(56:47):
but maybe we've seen with Rick and Michonne later.
Well, you see, that's the other side of what I was going to say
in that. There's a weird part of me that
is feeling a bit guarded and I want to get my hopes up that we
will see him again, right? Do you feel the icy nodding
frigid you feel that way? Also, as much as I want to, are
they going to do it? Yes, that would be amazing.
Sure. But Heath, and but I'd rather be

(57:08):
surprised by it to you. Remember when Danny Lincoln was
at San Diego Comic-Con, he was rumored to be there and, like,
the whole time, I like he's not there, he's not there.
There's no way exactly so much better than when he showed up
because it was like, yes. Like I'm genuinely surprised by
it. It just felt nice to be
surprised. AMC is on a roll of, not
spoiling their own stuff. So exciting to current

(57:30):
emissions. Yeah congratulations because
nobody you get one, you get one get this one you didn't you
didn't spoil Grace's death and you didn't spoil this.
So you're on a hot streak. So just keep that going don't
spoil anything else. Please thank you.
Yeah. Did you see Lenny in the
interview? And he was like, after I leave
here I'm going to go over to France and Beyond the Darryl
show and then I'm going to go into New York and Beyond the

(57:52):
Negan show. No, and I've been they're gonna
bring the walk and World Beyond back and I'ma be on that to be
really honest. Are any of you mad at that at
all? No serious.
He's leaving means I do have to have more Madison fucking 8B,

(58:14):
but aren't whatever or room for other people.
Like Daniel like June like Luciana, maybe we aren't funny.
Why? And hopeful I?
You're so sweet, his first complete, the circle.

(58:35):
Oh, by the way I should also mention Avi Nash's, on this new
show called a silo on Apple TV, but what nobody else is saying,
who is more predominant in that show is Wes's, brother Derek.
I forget the actor's name. He's in that show too and he's
amazing. He doesn't say once.
Why don't you try the reverse? Bar pie then say it once Howard.

(58:59):
I should that should be in his dialogue.
I have to say this line for thisone person so you could die
shit. Since it's the highway wish,
Jasmine says an appearance on the Rick and Michonne, Sears
would be insanely awesome. I was happy not to have much
Madison in this half season. All right, I'm okay with that

(59:20):
too. Which only perhaps this form or
Madison later on Bad. I think it was an acceptable
amount of Madison. She says, an acceptable amount
of medicine, you know? Let's take that a step further.
What did you think of Madison's interactions with Morgan in this
episode? Because I found them personally,
you know, if I couldn't be therefor my kids, and I couldn't be
there for these kids and I can be there for you.

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That's how I registered. She didn't do that either.
She tried man, you know what didn't register with me
immediately? I got to see that I had like a
half a watch today but thing, I thought it was like a pontoon
that he had his accident when hewas stuck.
In the the muck like sort this tank.
It was their attack. I didn't realize that at first,
I'm like, oh that well that's why she's Wheezy delinquents to

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her, she's just laying on the ground and Morgan.
I can't afford it. I know everyone just like woke
up and left her there that happened a few times during this
episode and that's one of my issues why it's believable.
I enjoyed it because one, this is the first time I've ever seen
has an any walking dead. So I think they walked toward

(01:00:23):
Massive heard tar. Going to say I love that shot
though as Morgan's walking through and they're showing them
killing the walkers. From I totally dug that seemed
like I was like, hey that's that's pretty damn cool.
Hey like I don't want you to do for your kids wouldn't call it
even first. I was also with you sharing the
I'm like what the fuck are you doing?
That's not what people do and then I saw it was Ram with rigid

(01:00:43):
as watch. I was like it was Wilder fucking
fighting for their kids, their fucking charging to The Horde
for their fucking kids eyes. Like the music.
The reason I was okay with like the sudden people are Are on
their own. And you're really confused is
because it was giving you what Morgan deals with when he goes
through, that kind of disassociation.
And while it was really jarring,that was the first time in this

(01:01:06):
season, possibly into Seasons that we've seen a really clear
passage of time. That was a great storytelling
device. I know, people had a lot to say
about it early. The red flashes was so cheesy,
okay, one, it's an homage to oldhorror.
So, fuck you just not nicely. And so I enjoy enjoy it.

(01:01:29):
Thanks Ray, it just not kindly at all, I'm not gonna say
anything else, but it's definitely a Trope for a reason,
but they had not utilized it in the show.
I thought it was a nice change of pace and on top of that, it
was jarring, which it was meant to be for you to feel like,
okay, I he's disassociating. Like how confusing would this
be? He's waking up mid-fight like

(01:01:50):
can you imagine you're getting the Taylor Swift?
A up chest-high in quicksand. How the fuck did that happen?
I like my kind of enjoyed it because I was like so
over-the-top ridiculous. It's like what went on here but
you get to fill that in. So that's the cool part about
it. And that's good writing right,
though? It was that part was, you know,
it's funny because they don't have to write anything.

(01:02:12):
We do all the work. No.
But all of that, all that requires choreography and they
even said it, that's the one thing I liked in the episode
Insider was like, this is very technically difficult.
You have to Get first of all that you can at least somewhat
partially but you shouldn't be able to completely be able to
piece out what happened. Just like Morgan I think I know
what happened here. I hope I didn't kill anybody in

(01:02:34):
the process. This is a mark of a good thing
every scene. I was worried.
He killed one of the parents. There was even this one shot
just before the quick sync, quickmark quicksand, whatever it
is that he found himself. And I thought he actually killed
one of the parents I had not been paying attention, but it
was enough for me to be like, oh, well, It's and I thought it
was the woman who we mentioned earlier who had a good facial

(01:02:56):
expressions. The parent, the not odessa's
Mom. I thought it was her.
This is Mom and I'm like, I'm like I just what just happened.
He killed one of the parents he killed her and I find out later.
I watched it at least one more time.
It was like, okay and I was justa walker but like the fact that
you felt like it could happen isgood.
And that was really of, that's really really impressive
because, you know, Rachel when he got shot at the end of season

(01:03:18):
5, you're like, fuck this guy. He's not Morgan doesn't die.
This is dumpster moment. Say Glenn dumpster moment.
I forget I don't die but this would be worse than death Morgan
being responsible for the deathsof people that is a collective
thing that just is thrown onto his conscience, right?
That he could do something like that.
Would have been his fault. That is something he can feel

(01:03:40):
responsible for it. That's the one thing I don't
think he would. I mean, ostensibly be responding
like he would be responsible forit, but he's associating.
So like, is that his fault? Say anybody, but regardless it's
still apologize for it. So why wouldn't matter anyway?
I had absolutely no problem withwhat we saw from Morgan does
episode the red flashes, the losing time the going out of it

(01:04:03):
here waking up a mile or 10 miles away who knows?
Because we have no idea, no sense of time or distance
traveled at all whatsoever. But what I did have a problem
with was how Madison woke up shejust was like Morgan I hear you
and I'm like no one was around her, where's Daniel?

(01:04:23):
No, I woke up and everyone abandoned me.
Apparently. What would we know?
I'm not done yet. You shut your face.
I'm not done yet. So then she's like I'm gonna
jump in this boat and go find you Morgan then haircuts?
Like no you're not ha ha, ha. And then all of a sudden
Daniel's like here we are to save you medicine like where the
fuck were you? It's a guy thing.

(01:04:57):
Who was this bitch? What did she do?
What was the original occupation?
I could see the parents abandoning this bitch, right.
Daniel was with them. I don't think Daniel would just
I don't put it. I'm so confused.
Just, I was like she was a teacher.
Dave, what does that have to do with anything and then you
figured it out? Yeah.
Well yes, the parents because Madison is who took their kids

(01:05:20):
away, right? Like they hate, bro.
But Daniel. Daniel would give this heartfelt
speech and be like, no, we must bring her.
You know what I mean? Like, Daniel would save the day
anyways. Yes, he was your run.
Daniel, Daniels way more practical, though?
Daniel? Forgot.
That he knew her. And so then he,

(01:05:47):
oh my God. Okay, so there was an actual
call back from the first episodeof Season.
The oxygen tank that Mo uses to escape the houseboat.
That was from the first episode of the season when they took
Madison there and she let the hostages ankles broken or
whatever, I did like that. They pulled all that together,

(01:06:09):
you know? I was thinking he's wasted,
right? Yeah.
Just forget about something, right?
I doing that you know, to their credit share any, right?
They have been making use of seasons in the season benioff
and Weiss when they just forgot.Daenerys just God about the iron
Fleet. Oh, there it is.
Sorry, minor spoiler rigid but you know what?

(01:06:31):
It's fine, it's fine, you're talking about.
I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.
I need my yerba mate. Hold on.
Oh the iron Fleet and I channeled You Bridget in like
the first scene way when Morgan wigs up for the first time and
he was going but rather than I thought you were going to say

(01:06:54):
something about that. He's sort of sounds like that
right buddy. You can catch that one, but I
liked it whatever. It's me.
Sometimes, they just give them ascene that you're just like, why

(01:07:15):
did they make you do this? Because he's a fucking, he's a
fucking true actor. A true actor is just not afraid
to fucking go. There, he just fucking goes
there. So like you can look at it one
way you could look at work. Like what, what is that?
What is that? Lennie James?
But then you can also go, like, I'm genuinely genuinely
terrified. How did I get here?
That's what I got from that. So, whatever I wanted to touch

(01:07:37):
on something that could look to a person who hasn't watched the
episodes. Where hundred mile away, okay.
Okay. Chill, help Morgan but I had to
start up your everything's fine,but you know what?
To touch on something happen. Yeah, it's like it.
I'd like to touch on something that you previously said, what
was it? Madison's original occupation
guidance, right? But you still have to have a I

(01:08:00):
think. Least a PhD you have to T have a
teachers teaching degree. So I mean it's believable so
that she's like okay, teaching us PhD?
No major in Psychology education.
It's a major minimum I think. Yeah, it's not a PhD.
No, I thought she had family counselor.

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So all of this is believable, all of this is kind of like
okay. It makes That Madison's really,
super common. This moment when super chill
about this, and I think she seesMorgan as an asset and
throughout this entire thing, like we need this guy, at least
for Moe and Moe can get the children to do things.
Well, so what you will about Morgan, he is a machine.
When it comes to like those blackouts.

(01:08:47):
Whoo, it's comparable to Alicia.Got the height of like Alicia's
Opie status when everybody was like to that season premiere
season 5. It's the same thing Heller.
Our and Morgan, just like, all right, you got this?
It's, I mean, I got my steak, whatever, but you, you got, I'm,
I'll be back here while you swing that thing around its

(01:09:09):
cutting your hands and shit. Final Fantasy 7 clouds or her
Buster sword. I think what I like most about
the blackouts other than the cool little flashes of whatever
was Morgan's face. Just like we don't often get to
see him smile. We did get to see him smiling as
f of x 0. We just mention that, which is
great but just like that you don't often get to see.

(01:09:30):
Him in a rage. That kind of like intense.
I've got a fucking kill things that actually, triggered me a
little Beth, just felt really authentically frightening,
Kudos, I have the goose bumps just thinking about it right
now. I should also mention that
Jasmine says would have been funny if he killed Madison.
It's in that moment in your lifeto thinking it's the last thing

(01:09:52):
I wanted to mention that. Oh yeah.
Can't we acknowledge it Mo left Morgan to drown at house.
Yeah, I'll talk about that scene.
I want to talk about, how about the houseboat scene.
Let's also Knowledge that Morganwas using, Grace's blood to
write that shit all over the walls of the train car.
Not knowing, but yeah yeah. So the houseboat scene has this
beautiful shot that I think you could really kind of overlooked

(01:10:14):
because it was fast. After he gets Mo out, he gives
her the tank. I loved that idea, because it
was, it was a really great thought it, pans over to the
corner of the house boat. And it just holds on the corner
where the King County and Dwayneand Jenny was painted.
That goes under water. The water slowly Rises up and it
just holds on that. And that was a really great

(01:10:34):
choice cinematography wise because it's really subtle.
But it just goes to show that all of that is being washed
away. Like a baptism almost.
Yeah. Because what was it called your
rotor fication? I don't remember.
There's a term but it has to do with the belief in the 1800s and
previous, that water could dissolve anything.
And so that's why there's like abunch of garbage in the ocean

(01:10:57):
and in lakes, and rivers and stuff.
Akeley in Europe but also in America it's because people
genuinely believe that water dissolved everything that it was
like a purifying force and so they would just throw garbage in
the water because the water would just take care of it now,
we know now that that's not at all, what happens?
But the symbolism still stands, you get this powerful imagery of

(01:11:20):
the water washing, all of this away.
It was beautiful. I was thankful for that.
The cinematography, like I said,it has been just over the top
beautiful. And you've mentioned it in
almost every So Journey, you've paid close attention to the the
shots that we've been getting. And this is one that I finally
caught because a lot of the timewhen you bring up their shots, I
didn't catch it in the moment. But this was one that I caught

(01:11:42):
and I was like that was such a choice.
I actually remember that kind ofthinking the same thing.
Look, they're watching away Morgan's past like the sword.
The King Arthur's sword, going back into the lake.
Look at something about comes out to her like returning.
Something to the Earth or something roar like Teddy return
to the Earth. Yeah.
Ari mother. We don't Norman Bates on this

(01:12:04):
tier. It's fine.
No, that's Teddy mother, blood mother, but yet, why don't we
acknowledge jazz is question, why didn't mow a zip tie Morgan
to the hospital because he triedto kill her.
He tried each other, that's why she stabbed him.
But now that this thing is really starting to sink.
But why did she leave him there?That is, what do you like?
I'm not going to leave you to die and he says I'll get out of

(01:12:27):
it now. Why wouldn't she believe him?
He's just Just killed like a monster heard of Walker's times
of like there's no reason for her to doubt that he would.
I didn't take issue with that atall.
Okay, she's a kid. She's listening to her dad.
She's making the Smart Choice. I'm glad she's not being
obstinate. And this moment the one time she
didn't do the opposite of what he said, and she loves him right

(01:12:48):
now. I don't know if you guys caught
this, it was a really, really really weird.
I'm not sure if it was meant to be variant related or what, but
the boat sinking MO is out. Morgan grabs the acts.
He moves it under water so you can assume Um, he's breaking the
zip tie and then he turns towards the window where those
three Walkers are. So it's what is the name chronic
or whatever. And then the 2 and the screen

(01:13:10):
goes red again and all the sudden you see it's almost like
one of the Walkers leaps forward, you only see it for a
split second because it's the red Flash, the Walkers were
there on that. All the sudden one is like,
barreling forward dives into thehouse.
It was really weird. I was like, what it happened, so
fast that I couldn't figure. You're out of it, was chronic or

(01:13:31):
not because I was like wouldn't that be cool if he was like a
variant? I wasn't sure if it was
intentional or if it was just something that got caught on
film but it was really interesting.
Let us know in the comments or your rating.
Hmm. How about that?
Right this podcast.com slash walking dead or in the YouTube
comments. That'd be.
That'd be pretty cool. I can just leave this episode.
No, I can I can actually see theWalker like spilling in because

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I mean after a certain point they're all trying to get in and
if the water starts flowing in they just they host or eclis
have not floated though. So it was a little it was Eating
more like it reaches a certain height and then all of a sudden
like they're reaching in the water kind of just carries them
into the house. Let's say it's maybe not under
the only way. Yeah, so it could be, it could
be that could have been giving the illusion that the house was

(01:14:13):
collapsing which is what was happening, right?
I mean we saw the Water Rising on that far wall so we can
assume the the whole house is continually and they're staring
on the higher up piece on the outside.
So they're probably like it's spilling I guess or something or
what not, I guess it was. Truly unusual is only one of
them. It was just something that I saw
and I was like, I don't know what that is.

(01:14:34):
Something. Yeah.
I didn't try to see what it was that got.
I couldn't figure it out. The only other thing that I
wrote a note about, I want to focus on the line that Madison
says to Morgan. We never really lose people
Morgan. None of us do, I don't know.
I'm feeling sentimental because it's Father's Day.
I don't have a dad anymore. My grandpa anymore.
I just love that sentiment. You guys know I'm Christian so

(01:14:57):
like, yeah, I believe in heaven.Leave that shut up.
I believe in heaven. I believe that for sure.
My grandfather's. They're like, I've no doubt in
my mind when he died. I wasn't.
I mean, I'm sad for me, but I wasn't sad because I knew he was
there, but my dad was not a Believer.
And so I've really struggled with that over the last couple
of years. What does that mean for me and

(01:15:19):
him? And it's like emotional and I
don't know how to feel about it,your life kind of like feeling
like this is something I have todeal with, but I don't know how
and what if that's it for him. To say he's just gone.
So the thought that you don't lose people because you carry
them with you, that's how I could make peace with that.
I have his memory to carry with me and he shaped the person that

(01:15:40):
I am for all the bad that was involved in that he helped shape
me to be this person. And so I was really thankful
for, it wasn't too cheesy. It wasn't to overwhelmingly, it
was just enough and I was reallythankful for it and then
thankful that it came at a time when I was struggling with this
to Here it on a weekend where I felt like, I really needed to

(01:16:02):
hear it. You're thinking yourself.
Fuck this episode 4 bearing on Father's day, but then also,
they kind of go through the motions, he's doing, but then
they go through the motions of saying, well, just because
they're gone for those who don'thave their fathers just because
they're gone, doesn't mean you don't carry them with you.
Yeah, in your heart and in your mind, let's say if they're not
gone, if they're just away from you, they're still with you as
long as you carry them with, youbelieve there with you.

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If you are somebody who believeswho's a Believer?
There's you've got to believe that higher power is Reaching
into you and channeling that Spirit of forgiveness that
Spirit of looking at the positives that person and
forgiving and maybe translating into some sort of.
Yeah that's what I pray, right? Like those final moments
Shambhala, or likes Nirvana or whatever it is or heaven or that
that counts toward the good. Yeah, that's gotta.

(01:16:48):
Yeah, that's all that I can do. That's that's the hope that I
cling onto but I didn't expect my favorite line so far of the
season to come from Madison. I just did I just did that to, I
just Did it? All right, we're waiting for
you, Rachel, we're waiting, and then she ruined it when chronic
bit strike. She's like, he was always with
her like that explains. The entire reason, her entire

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reasoning behind. It went away to just destroy the
beautiful line. You just said a little while
ago, I didn't mind that because credit to my eyes shut for the
look on her face says so much, the fear the joy, the grief,
it's all there really quickly inthe matter of milliseconds.
So I get it because as stupid asThat was it says dumb as it

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seemed to say it. In that moment he was and she
tried to turn away from it. There's almost something wrong
about her trying to turn away from it.
Yeah, she tried to turn away from it and it, and it didn't go
the way she wanted it to. He didn't leave you.
He didn't have a choice. That's what I got from that.
He did have a choice. Look at him.
Look at him, it's not his fault.When he did that for you, he

(01:17:52):
gave his life for you and your brother to be able to live and
you did say you tried to do something, okay?
You took your sacrifice. I mean, Twisted it because you
were I'm say going to say that you were angry with him for
leaving you, she does apologies.I mean there's all there's a lot
I feel like I'm in like real weird Waters by saying that I
feel but I feel like that was the whole Crux of what they were
trying to do. Now also the other half of that

(01:18:14):
Crocs is something we often say about kids is that she's also
angry at him for not exposing them to this danger or not,
helping them to understand what the danger is.
We kind of mentioned that when Ben should have known better and
not taken by not binoculars to her there to his father.
But then I resolved myself to say, Well, their father didn't
expose them to the danger. Of course, he doesn't know.
He doesn't know anything. He's heard secondhand.

(01:18:35):
He's been safe on an island. This is why we want to train
kids, like Gracie and shit. So they know how to fucking
best. I'm sorry to.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
And so we don't you think she would be mad at her father in
that way too. Why didn't you train us?
What? Like I'm training these children
that their parents probably never trained those babies.
What we're going to do it from the from the start going to make
sure that they don't see. This is the negative side going

(01:18:56):
to make sure that from the egg, they know what they're dealing
with so that they don't have to deal.
Deal with the the pain that we're dealing with, right?
And so it all comes full circle but still she realizes what the
impetus of that was like the negative side of that.
And that's well, it was born outof anger, was born out of the
feeling of Abandonment and like,anger that you didn't, you
didn't properly trained as she tried to protect us from this

(01:19:17):
world, but, you shouldn't, that's why I said there were
interesting mirror to the Clark family in a way that these kids
were inadvertently prepared for the apocalypse, whereas, the
critics were not the kids at least were not and they reacted.
And they It's a community of people who are never going to be
not prepared for this world but it was born out of anger and
abandonment and Trauma. So of course the translated

(01:19:37):
where Lee and that's what makes crane trying to make the kids
kill their parents. This is the master stroke.
If you can do this, you can do anything now.
Kill your parents be like us, huh?
And again, I too wish the show can walk us to that plank, at
least so that we can dump dive in.
Let's say, they're diving boardsthat we can dive in.
But here we are. We're doing it and I appreciate

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it. I see what they're trying to do
and it is the emotional. So I think the time has come to
talk about the title sequence for real though, because like I
said, I stood up and I yelled atsomebody who wasn't there.
Did you see that shit? He's there.
Nobody said, I couldn't believe it and then thinking about it.
Now I'm just just makes me so emotional and I hits all these

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notes that all of us have talkedabout.
Yeah, 115 second title sequence,they managed to get Jay
Dwayne's, Eastman, Nick, John Isaac.
Rachel. John Senior Alicia Grace.
Where's Charlie Morgan save? Charlie remember and 406 when
the vultures came and they were having the shootout and Alicia

(01:20:41):
was going to shoot Charlie in the face.
And so is Luciana. Morgan is the one that saved
her? So why isn't Charlie is
interesting that Charlie wasn't in there?
But Alicia was and that was a really big topic of conversation
online is, does that mean Alicia's really dead?
That's what I was going to ask next.
Yeah, that's that was really what I was asking.
Ying. But for all he knows she's dead.

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That's really what it is. That's at least that for all I
know is Charlie Judd. But does he have hope that she's
not? What does that mean?
Charlie's alive to no, no Sarah - our life.
She can't be alive. Hey, you mean everybody's a lot
of people who shouldn't be aliveor alive?
So I mean, look at Madison, we'll get to that too.
Yeah, mmm, get your brain back XXX hashtags, ready.

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But let's acknowledge the fact that I think out of all the
fucking title sequence, this is the most fucking Wild.
I'm not saying in a bad way, it was so fucking good, it tells
the story. These are all the people that he
would think I lose these people and I lose myself that sort of
thing. Oh, you know who else wasn't in
there Henry? Yeah, Maxon me, but you'd have

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to boil it down to the people whose really forged
relationships with I think. And had penalties was the reason
he lost it, right. I think he had a right
relationship with Henry ish. I can't reach him.
Yeah. But I still think ish.
Same thing with Lydia, he spent time with Lydia to training her.
But he did train Henry that theywere very close with why he goes

(01:22:06):
all crazy clear mode. He doesn't know Henry's dead
because that happened after he left before.
Yeah. Oh by the way in the reason that
isn't special is also because inthe in the clinch he gave up on
looking for Henry because he didn't want to know if he was
alive or dead. It was in that moment we're
saviors that were penned up in Hilltop escaped.
He went with Rick to get them again and instead of looking for

(01:22:27):
Henry with Carol where Carol gets her kind, Return.
She finds Henry in literally thesame growth as Sophia or more
Sofia was hiding out. There's a callback to The Firs
first season second season, whatever.
Anyway, second season second season, she finds him but Morgan
couldn't do it. He couldn't bring himself to do
it, which is why it makes sense,that he's not.
And like you said, he doesn't know the Henry's dad.
So how could he? I mean, I would say he was

(01:22:49):
closer to Henry that he was to Isaac or Rachel.
He didn't know either them very long, he was probably closer to
Charlie that he was to Isaac or Rachel.
I wonder if that's just a lack of telling that story because
they were the only people that lived in that area with him for
a little for a time. Well, he knew Isaac like so much
about it because I think that's true.
But Rachel, Rachel, you would have been potentially a lot

(01:23:12):
closer with Isaac's. The reason he has Mona's life,
right? It's true and he has a light,
that's also True. By the way, I watched that
season premiere of season 6 and this motherfucker, this Isaac
did not give up on him even though he wanted him to give up
on him. He didn't give up on him.
It's like an Eastman all over again.
I am so glad, I mean, I'm not complaining.
About Isaac and Rachel being andno, no, I'll alright.

(01:23:32):
Dino battle card because I am totally stoked.
They put them in there, I appreciate that.
They have acknowledged throughout the season that Isaac
and Rachel are most parents because we love Bridget.
I mean we we love rigid so exciting laughs.
Yeah. I love Michael to, he's really
interactive and he's really sweet.
Yeah, he's just a sweetheart andhe's a tremendous actor.
Yeah, even in that fucking episode.
That motherfucker was, is a Smooth Operator.

(01:23:54):
That guy fucking Isaac. I like Isaac.
I wish I was. He the lasted?
I was saving these pickles. It's for my wife.
But you know, you're having a bad day here, Feedly, you know,
I'll put them right here. You know, the right here in KC,
I couldn't stop watching this interaction.
It's a mini Eastman. This dude needs my help.
He needs a little bit of a win. No, not just like Madison in
this episode is episode. I'm not leaving you alone, man.

(01:24:16):
You need somebody. You need me.
Fuck this guy, whatever. This guy is, I forget his name
now. We, I know Josiah.
Now I don't know. The Emile Emile, that's his
name. You could look at it both ways.
Morgan sees red, and it's finally reached clear mode
because I lose people, I Lose Myself.
But now after watching the episode, these are all the
people that now, he can look upon favorably and with joy that

(01:24:38):
these are the people that made it.
So that I could be that that I could get, this is the answer to
shrugs question other people diebut I don't.
It's not about that. It's about the people.
You can you carry with you because you're alive, you carry
with you because they took a chance on you.
They did that out of love. Will you tarnish their memory
when you don't honor the time that you had together?
And instead, focus on the time that you didn't that you lost

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Right. And that in that, you know, I
could have saved them don't get wrapped up in their in their
memory that way they did that. Because there are taught they
have autonomy, they have love intheir hearts.
They have generosity, they did that not for them for you and
maybe a little bit for them because of their character, but
honor their memory carry on. Bring them with you.
That is what you get out of thatthe set in the second watch.

(01:25:20):
It's beautiful and watching them.
There are not on the ground and then like, they're no, they're
right behind him, they're pushing him forward.
And they're in color, and it's just beautiful.
It's so beautiful stand up and cheer.
Yell at somebody in the room. Who's not there.
That's, that's how I reacted to that charity.
What are these? What are these maps?
That you've given me? That we should probably put on

(01:25:40):
the screen? Ok, so the two maps I sent you
are the coordinates. So at the beginning of the tag
seen Madison is talking on the radio, right?
We see the hands of whatnot. So Madison reads out a set of
coordinates Padre has fallen. They are no longer a threat to
you or your children if you wantto join Padre.
Here's the coordinates, since the SOS and we'll come get you.
So it's in the drawer. Georgia swamps.

(01:26:00):
That's the picture that popped up when I put the coordinates
in, was the picture of the houseand stuff out there, okay?
Let me share that first, let me share the house.
First, the coordinates are 31 degrees, 51 minutes, North 81
degrees, 10 minutes West and that is what comes up.
So not in the ocean like Atlanta's Premier your place or

(01:26:24):
yeah. Gun blasts.
Now let's zoom on that. What is this?
No, no trespassing. What does it say on this house?
Does no spying get out of here. Google go dead.
Open inside what it says. The other one is the actual
location on the map and this is the actual coordinates here.

(01:26:46):
This is Georgetown Montgomery Richmond.
Hill Fort McAllister. For McAllister was mentioned in
the series, right? Wasn't it?
Yeah. In the first episode?
No, the flashback McAllister does sound familiar.
Yeah, yeah. Chronic I think mentions Fort
McAllister at some Point in Keller a Sabo Island, zabis
abba-abba-abba that is on the Georgia coast.

(01:27:09):
So as it spanning across and yousee the different items,
whatever one of them is a map. And there are circles places
Circle, this is an attack right at the end, right before the
credits, right? The hand grabs a map.
If you freeze frame it, you can see a line.
I could not zoom in enough to see the names on the map myself.
What I did was put another map map of the Texas border
underneath it and Line them up, I couldn't get a good of

(01:27:31):
screenshot, it starts and Sanders Aria, which I don't know
anything about seasons 1 through3.
So I don't know if that was a place but it's in Baja.
California on the Pacific coast and then it goes up into Yuma.
Arizona. And then it goes over to
Nogales, Arizona, and then it goes to Tucson.
Then it goes to Odessa Texas which I thought was pretty cool
because Nessa and then from Odessa it goes to Eden Texas,

(01:27:56):
which Eden was the name of the dam.
Settlements. Thanks Jenna for that one, and
then from Eden, it goes to Austin.
And then from Austin, it goes toHouston or Louisiana.
It's hard to tell in the map butthere's lines.
All of these areas are circled and there's lines going to each
one like somebody's traveled, that way, going there, it ins in
Houston and Louisiana but I justsomebody's looking for some I

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thought it was really cool that it that one of the names was
Eden. I'd love to go over.
What's on that table? To obviously glasses flashlight.
Canteen Alicia's arm? Yeah, that was the over the top
portion of it. First, I'll do you think this is
Troy? Second of all?
Do you think this is confirmed Alicia's dead or she looked
behind? This is dry?

(01:28:40):
Yeah. And I think maybe he popped her
in the head with a hammer and that's how we got her arm, or
she could have left it behind, she was already a walker.
This is redundant. Do you think it might be more
altruistic? Do you think the Troy is trying
to tell Madison that leashes, dad that she made me?
She doesn't know, maybe she's trying to help her out.
Well, if this is true, I don't think he's looking for her.
So he could be like Hey, let's team up and be friends, like I

(01:29:02):
don't I miss you happening to you.
I don't see that happening. So obviously I feel like he's
going to use Alicia's arm as like a scare tactic.
He's either going to lie and be like, oh you killed your
daughter. She's better than that.
I put her down. That's exist.
Daughter and like, put her down and stuff so she's totally not

(01:29:27):
coming back. It's like totally like that.
Is assured. It's uncanny.
The British Daniel Sharman definitely saw it.
Sounds like that. Yeah, I think this is the boot
thing. Is that the golf though right
there? Yeah.
This is the gulf right here. Yeah, it wouldn't be Houston.
Then it's just closed. It might be Louisiana, Houston's
like a two or three hours one. That's not that far because this

(01:29:48):
right off Galveston. Houston is Houston and Galveston
and Galveston is on the gulf. Jobs is unavailable, Houston is
nowhere near the water. It's like it's a trip.
My mom lived there, right? It took a while for easy and
Like I said, it was, it was hardfor me to tell ya.
It is hard to tell it does kind of look like maybe it's more
Louisiana just because of the foot thing off to the right?
Yeah, yeah. Lynn's.

(01:30:11):
There's no state lines or anything either, but it almost
doesn't even matter there are but you can barely make them out
because you can see New Mexico right here.
And there's a line here, one of them and then big letters Edie.
Oh, this is the United States eat.
So put those big letters. Oh, okay, I just saw it Edie.
But anyway, Wasn't you okay do you matter the exact location?

(01:30:33):
This is their history. This is them going from Mexico.
Baja Mexico. Yeah, strand.
This is their journey across theseasons and all the way down to
Louisiana, where, of course, Troy chooses, common know them
then. So who would have known them
from the beginning? And we never saw Madison in
Eden. No, no, but he might not have
been fully because remember our big critique and season 6, which
was can off the righty people, listen to the radio, they don't

(01:30:57):
have to talk back. Them from the beginning.
So who is it, really? I don't know.
I'm just saying. I dashed a glycogen Nichols
hashtag. It's Tobias Tobias.
I'm all for Tobias, coming back all for it.
He's gonna show up and be like boom.
Madison told you so bitch and then he just leaves.

(01:31:20):
Yes. What I want him to be traveling
this whole time with a microphone and he just walks up
to her knees. Like boom.
And then walks away. Like that's the whole point of
the trip. Mic drop right in front of
Madison. I love that.
I should drop his knife in frontof her.
Win that be even better. No, because then she has a
weapon change with his change. This is like his office space

(01:31:43):
stapler, right? It's like we're but my stapler
about my life and she's like andshe's like, why don't you stay
no. No but he just goes, it's like
I've seen what I've seen you. What you guys do?
Nah and Tobias were definitely not.
No Alicia because obviously theywere in school together.
Yeah, right. Even though we never actually

(01:32:03):
saw them interact, but we know, they know each other.
So, on the table, there's a hammer, which is obviously the
hammer that Madison uses to Troy.
There's also some losses which are Victor sunglasses.
Correct could very similar. Yeah.
He's the only person I remember wearing like Aviator Shades.
Yeah. And he wore them a lot in the
first and second season. Although if he was bashed in the

(01:32:25):
orbital like the orbital socket,maybe he has something similar
to Norman Reedus. Who who was injured on set and
has these migraines if he doesn't wear sunglasses to okay.
Dave, he's Corey Hart. So he wears his sunglasses at
night so he can so he can see shadows and his eyes.
He picks up what I? What I lay down.

(01:32:47):
So there you go. He can't.
So he can take the credit for that one.
Come down. Okay, so my boy, by the way.

(01:33:14):
Yes, thank you because I had to do it for the blog.
I put the thing that you make sure he posted a video I think
yesterday where he said, it, finally clicked.
That the bag on the table is thebag.
Bag from the scene where Troy dies.
Hmm. When it pans out, Troy is laying
on the ground and Madison's walking away.
There's a bag on the floor. Okay.

(01:33:36):
Same bag bag. He picks up a kind of cool.
So I guess the dam was just a dream.
Mmm. Oh my God.
They're Dallas in us. I don't think so, but whatever
it is. He's not charging our.
He's definitely not available right now.
Hammer drill. My God.
Are you watch the scene where hegets Carried Away by the water?
It's so Snoring. It's like it's it's gone till

(01:33:57):
they're gone. Well maybe this is one of those
things man like where he wasn't gone, that's why I'd like it to
be somebody else. Ideally I should say that it's
not. Or you can also say that it
could be the idea of Troy. I'll say that much.
I like other theories. Maybe it's taka is definitely
not. Daniel showing, by the way, it's
crazy dog. Wait, did Travis kill all those

(01:34:18):
kids that killed Chris because maybe someone of them, maybe
it's Chris, maybe it's Michonne.I keep mentioning that Travis
berries. Chris know that I didn't see his
body so it didn't happen. It's Travis Travis Travis.
Yeah. Somehow he's alive maybe it's

(01:34:39):
Madison. 08, sorry. He's already there.
Thanks look at look, maybe it's you know we can be old Judy.
Maybe it's Maybelline guys. We did this with Madison for
several seasons. I don't want, I don't want to.
We're not, we're just, it's Troy.
Says can we move on now is that it's to buy On Emotion?
I know who it is. It's he is even get away from

(01:35:06):
me. We've just opened the doors to
bring back dead. People, then us bring back
Charlie. We didn't see a body anywhere.
So it's Charlie, right? It's Charlie back.
John Jasmine John. That wasn't really John, it was
his twin. He had an evil twin, right?
You just have to kill. So the real John is out there.
Looking for June as we speak. It's Sarah, she would look so

(01:35:28):
fly in those glasses, right? Okay.
And Sheriff. Richard Serra.
Yeah. Troy didn't have long hair
peering down from where he was writing.
I was like, yeah, it's Sarah, you know, Sarah Sarah, like to
get hammered. So that's where the hammer comes
in. So it's Sarah.
Yeah. And she was a trucker so she's
covered long stretches of maybe it was Tabitha that sir, that

(01:35:48):
was just a delivery. It's Tabitha, uh, maybe it's
Martha. #Is hashtag bring back.
John Dory, several times. Yeah, Jasmine's a gosh.
It's letting John had a twin just like a meal.
So, John's Twin is the one that got killed on the Brigade.

(01:36:08):
Dom Dory, not right. Not John, it's Donny.
John Dory know the OM like dominoes or a.
No, yes, it does. It rhyme.
Okay, Johnny dummy. Braun Dory.
Judge, John and dumb one dummy. Stop.
Sorry. Grand Auntie.
Double is Double D's. They call them Double D's.

(01:36:30):
Nobody calls anybody that exceptfor no is a dark out already.
Know, we're really dumb and I come in here.
I want that drink. Now, you have an excuse me.
We do. We have no excuse and your,
yeah, you're the one coming up with da me.
Oh my God. It's Jasmine.
Maybe it's are in and it's actually his arm.

(01:36:55):
Thanks. I can't get over the fact that
I'm not feeling upset about Morgan leaving the show.
I can't get over it. I can't get over.
Not upset that. I'm not upset Jasmine saying
what I'm saying. I haven't processed yet to be
frank and I'm, I can't believe I'm at this at peace with it and
just to give Chum to the sharks in these Waters and and I'll

(01:37:18):
good way to go off. So for many seasons people
wanted Morgan off the show and so it's interesting to see that
in a sense. Everybody kind of got what they
wanted. A the people like Morgan didn't
wanted to die. Be the people who don't like
Morgan have him off the show forthe remaining six episodes which
is great for them. So you know you got to give them
a little chummy. Gotta feed the birds a little
bit, you know, else will Revolt but I'm at peace with a happy

(01:37:39):
ending. I'm okay with that.
This is a far cry from the prediction I made in season 4
like the swan song which is likeonly owl survives and she gets
to tell their stories because they live on in her to kind of
bring it back to this episode. The people that you leave behind
you take them with you, they'd bring their memory with you.
That was the point of the swansong AL finally, stepping
into the frame. Being a part of this world

(01:38:01):
instead of hiding behind a camera pretending.
She's that she's not the longesttime.
Jasmine, I wish I was still alive.
Wait, maybe it's it's funny thatJasmine says that because as I
was watching the episode before it, panned all the way down the
table. The first thing that popped in
my head was Al I don't know why there was absolutely no clues,
there was nothing to leave me inthat direction.

(01:38:21):
But for some reason, my brain went Al everyone online had that
has seen. It has been like it's a woman,
right? And James, it's obscene.
Nothing in the child and they see it was a woman at first
until I went back again and it'sdefinitely a more masculine than
I thought it was what's really funny about that really, really

(01:38:43):
funny. Is the casting call made sure
that the double that they neededfor Daniel in the interim before
they hopefully got Danielle fingers crossed, Daniel Sharman
supposedly. Whatever it was they were
looking for look-alikes and theyparticularly looking for
somebody with the same hand typeas Daniel Sharp.
Have you seen this act of they like blackout the eyes to get
the like you need somebody to look like know.
They like blurred out the eyes too.

(01:39:04):
Kind of like don't focus on the actor himself.
Of course we know that's Daniel Sharman.
Remember when Michelle was firstbrought on The Walking Dead.
It's similar they it's not Daniel Sharman.
That's a look like yeah. That wasn't it was similar
reveal. So Jasmine says, maybe it's a
laughter. Having Eight more food.
Needs to CRM. Could be Troy and the CRM a now?
No, she doesn't say how I say. Oh, oh, okay.

(01:39:27):
Now she's saying and l.a. now. I'll Rachel you were about to
say that you had minor issue with something.
I just wanted somebody to make sense of this for me just give
me a reason to not be irritated with us but Morgan wakes up out
of his Red Zone and he's just inthe swamp.
And Moe has just stabbed him. She's like, you were going to
kill me so I had to stop you like.

(01:39:47):
Okay, cool. Yeah, of course, right, you're
about to be attacked. You got I get that.
Why is she by herself? Where the fuck is everyone else
that she was just with? Remember just before that she
was telling the spread out, We're getting cornered.
So they all kind of spread to a distance essentially so far and
none of them not a single. One of them saw Morgan stumbling

(01:40:08):
into the swamp. None of them.
He didn't pass a single one of them on his way there.
Remember, you can't see the house is 10 feet in front
anyway? Yeah.
No, you can't. They were all on the other side
of the house. Hidden behind.
The right, right. Right.
The bush. All right.
Just like all the Walkers that didn't come as shrike is
screaming, and they're all yelling, and they're all of his
word is like watching this unfold to hey, awesome.

(01:40:29):
So while they're getting their steps in, they were like trying
to like yeah, Walker steps on reach my goal, I'll just hang
out here. Now this guy he's violating the
steps rule its kind of fine. No problem will allow even

(01:40:51):
Morgan when Mo got him into the houseboat.
He's like, how the hell did you get me in here?
Just like everybody else was asking miles.
There is surrounded by walkers but she say that she said I mean
that she responded to that, I forget what she said, I had to
get your you were going to die but all I could think of was
he's in the water so he's like floating 10 times easier to read

(01:41:13):
but he's in his clear mode trying to kill everything.
How did she drag him into the houseboat long enough to a
Walker's everywhere and and and attach him to the wall with a
zip tie? Like he just stood there and let
her do it. He was in his clear mode.
How the hell did she get him in the house boat?
That is something I wanted to talk about because What I liked
about being in clear mode for him was.
Yeah, you got to see The undeniably Killing fierceness of

(01:41:36):
Morgan and clear mode. But you also got to see flashes
of him being a human being. Like we're not Walkers.
We have an indefinite amount of energy.
You did see him stumble, you'd see him fall, he did see him run
out of gas frequently. Remember what he was doing the
last episode, he was running from the carnival area, don't
you stop me? You know, and he said he didn't
make it on time. He was running, he didn't make

(01:41:58):
it on time. But he made it just in time to
stop Walker, Grace, from killingMo.
All of this to say, when was thelast time this motherfucker,
slept, I guess we would know if I'd had any any sense of when
time was fucking fascinating. So from this perspective that is
lot of ever, but never fear Point.
Sure, yeah. More to the point.
This guy's exhausting, a tremendous amount of energy and

(01:42:19):
you got to see him running out of that juice that gas that
clear juice. Oh, I know who you are.
What just happened? You didn't have you ever mate
Dad, you can have your ear. You're my mate like Moe.
It's a killer attachment. Why didn't?
They just think of advertising throughout your the walking they

(01:42:42):
make some more money and maybe abetter show?
I don't necessarily want to havea conversation about it.
I just want to point out that itis sad.
That once again, June has lost any chance of a family that she
thought she was going to have. She'll be like Charlie, she's
lost Dawn. And now she lost the chance of
Dwight and Sherry. French.
So Alex, why don't we want to get the conversation?
I just want to say, it's very sad.

(01:43:03):
Maybe Sherry will go back to where June is and they'll team
up and be Golden Girls Together are done with that go.
Kidnap, smile is like Dwight to be a guest role as their own.
Really something cute about that.
Anyway, yeah, do I can be a golden girl to their an
interesting spot where they havethis tabula rasa or they can go
anywhere. At least, what does it mean for
her character to move on from this point?
Well, and she does have a bunch of children.

(01:43:24):
She can now take care of withoutthreat of Padre.
Ideally, but, you know, the showhas six.
Episode to fuck shit up and we never did say what happened to
Colonel truly. Oh yeah, not go.
No one's going till they're gone.
Mmm, true. It's Crane in that tag.
Seen the map and the hammer. Oh, what a, what a fake out.

(01:43:47):
And how did he get Alicia's arm?He's he's like I'm gonna find
your daughter's arm idiots talking on the radio.
All the Time. You said that?
So angrily. Where am I what happened?

(01:44:19):
Billy go find. All I saw was red and I came
back. What happened?
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excited to see what's coming from Fear.
The Walking Dead. I think most people were happy
to see this Padre Saga. Come to a close.

(01:45:43):
I think and see where that goes next.
And happy to see this story moveon to whatever they're going to
do for the clothes involving Troy probably.
It's hard to let the show go andI don't know when it's coming
back and I hope it doesn't come back for a while, so we can
digest this part of the season alittle bit while we break down
the walk. A dead City for fuck sake.
We have to do this, we give to get on here tomorrow night live.

(01:46:04):
Are you guys excited about the rest of the Fear?
The Walking Dead? Are you happy that this Padre
Saga is closed? I'm very happy.
The Padres Saga is closed. So, I didn't love it to begin
with. So I mean, I'm always, I'm
always excited for the - or what's to come on fear.
No matter what. Because I love the show as
everybody who's watching me in the last six episodes until June
is still alive. So I'm in it.
I've made it this far. I'm not going anywhere.

(01:46:26):
Am I excited about it? And Madison still here in,
Sarah's not Not. So what about the Padre Saga?
Closing at least like you okay with that.
Could they have done more with it?
Yeah, I think they could have done a lot more with it.
I don't know. I guess we'll see what
direction. They're moving in, in the back
half. Because if it's literally just
Madison running around trying tofind these kids parents, that

(01:46:47):
sounds super boring knife, right?
How it's going to probably startout, so tired of hearing the
word Padre, don't care if I never hear it again.
I'm so glad that they're done with that strike and crane were
terrible villains. And it was kind of boring and
I'm including season seven months.
I was including season seven in that to hashtag, bring back
door. It's all I have to say.

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Thank you again. So much for listening to this
episode, discussing Fear The Walking Dead's sixth episode.
It's mid-season finale in its eighth and final season titled.
All I see is red because we had some technical difficulties of
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First episode titled old acquaintance old.
Peyton old acquaintances at a little trouble with that one.
The reason for that is because both of those episodes, they
fear The Walking Dead mid-seasonfinale and the series premiere
of The Walking Dead City aired on the same night.
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