[Episode 167] The Walking Dead: World Beyond |2x07| Blood and Lies

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We are squawking dead a podcast pulverizing episodes of The
Walking Dead Universe. Sometimes we give you news,
sometimes we make you laugh but most times we go deep today,
we're talking about the seventh episode, right of the second and
final season of The Walking DeadWorld Beyond, it is feeling a
little bit sad. Every episode has a little bit
more intensity than the last oneand they have been pretty

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intense for the last I say two or three episodes I think I'd
say the second half. Yeah ever since the Quote,
unquote, because it's not reallymid-season finale, which is the
fifth episode. It just feels like, things just
been ratcheting up and up. And here, we are the racing
towards the finish and so many reveals on top of reveals and
top of reveals. So I have sharing these take in

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the tank. So, that's pretty cool already.
We'll be playing that at some point.
She's in the crowd. Also, she's in the, she's in the
chat right now. With this is Mario here.
No, it's just you, and he was, he was, I don't see anything.
I think he's still here. He's all yours says, there's
five people here, okay, the reason why Sharon D is In the
crowd is because she had a booster shot and she's not
feeling so well. But also her internet had its

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booster shot and isn't working anymore had an adverse effect
sharone's. Booster shots, it's not it's her
internet's not working it's check over the internet.
Has myocarditis that would be very very bad.
Yeah. If the internet had my organic
garden eyes, it would be very bad.
What is Mo? So we have Jasmine's T, right?

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What is Explain to the to the audience with myocarditis is I'm
not leaving this infant. Here we go.
Whoo. Okay, so heart issues in
layman's terms. It's all talk.
Oh, so it's not like a like a condition that persists like or
a chronic condition. It develops into heart.

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Okay. That's the weakness of the heart
muscles. No leads to an arrest or right
without What. Mmm.
So what is the treatment for that?
Oh damn. It Jasmine's just been teed tea
with Jasmine. I like Misty Jasmine's.
It's not going to fit my promises.
Maybe I'm not sure. I like it.
Anytime we have like like medical discrepancies or

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anything in the science, Jasmine's gonna come in and
spill her teeth over there is something that I did like and I
did write it down but like okay.First of all, everybody just to
give you an idea of what what mynote sometimes looks like.
Just I like how it first of all,like, how the opening started,
it was like basically, going back to go forward again, to
explain what happened the night before what happens next
morning. But then I write this is

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probably to some of the events of 2006 and then I write bark is
nipples, okay? K space, that space and then I
write and then I write some coolthings.
I so ATC stethoscopes which is areal thing, it's a real set, the
scope LH lithium Heparin line tubes, get whole blood, plasma
samples, whole blood /, whole plasma samples.
I thought this cool that was they were screen accurate with

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what they were using. Does not like a stage test tube.
It's a real. It looks like a real test tube
or at least the label. It's labeled right.
So someone did some research butnot where your EKG sensor should
go. okay yeah, pobody's nerfect,get almost everything right to

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be fat, fun fact, paramedics in The there was like a study done
of patients coming in hospital and 40% of EKG placement or
wrong but big from that is a bull coming into hospital with
paramedics, right? So they're getting bad EKG
readings from paramedics, unfortunately?
It's not about, it wasn't about the readings necessarily, I

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don't know the reading side of it, but it was like, they were
like they were examined on Entryto the hospital and what ifs and
had wrong incorrect placement, which indicates that they were
caught could lead to write. So well I'll get better makes
you think Which ones may not have been caught.
Remember, remember, remember, remember remember remember?
Yeah, yeah, singing about that now.

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And that's the worst part. Is that I think what doctors
rely on these on the readings from those EKG?
What was the the Ghostbusters EPK?
Ekp readings, Ghostbusters readings.
You can do like the ectoplasm, whatever you have this
conversation. Like a what they call that PK e
PK anyway whatever. I don't know.

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There's a joke there somewhere, they're ghosts. no, they would
be after getting a bad EKG, reading the thing about me,
Everything's all nine times out of ten when they when they
arrived in hospital. They'll rip them off anyway
because the EKG machine belongs to the class and I love what a
new AP EKG on. So once you get to hospital your

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cares probably going to be you know fine but the actual initial
EKG readings on the road Ascent of hospital to decide whether a
patient needs to go to a specialist unit or just regular
hospital. So if they placed it wrong and
you act and they don't capture something that's when the issue
because They can sometimes they still might not get sent to the
right Hospital, right? Because they may have to do some

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sort of like, emergency procedures on the road to write,
you know, depending on what it so like if that with heart
problems, there's nothing they can really do on the road.
Like if they're having a heart attack, it's just drugs and like
get them hospital really, reallyfast and potentially get ready
to do some CPR. Right.
Right. But also even even what drugs
they give doesn't that depend onthose readings.

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Oh yeah. Okay.
So there you go. Jasmine's D that was unrelated
to the episodes. Not really choking spits.
Hey, we just had Jasmine's T. We can put you can put Jasmine's
tea down. No, we just had it, it's fine.
Yeah, I was going to say like part of dealing with you, it's

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going to say speaking with you, but then I said, no sees another
word. You've yeah, you've said a lot
about this season thus far, I believe this goes in tandem with
what you'd said maybe about the first season that you actually
kind of like the first season more.
It's did use it. I forget what it was exactly but
I know maybe season 2 was even worse than season one.
According to you, is that accurate to say or I don't know.

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I found these on one was not that great.
Either equally as bad. Only the first four episodes of
season two and then all of season one.
I think we're all like no longer, right slowish.
So maybe like a couple of episodes.
Okay. Okay meeting.
Maybe the end because it seems like the commonality is movement
and action and things happening.Actually, I really like the and

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she has a type embarrassment embarrassment, but okay.
So what do you what did you likeabout this episode though, in
particular? Or if the, if you could pin it
down? I don't know.
Okay. So Mason was in it.
Oh that is she has said that, you said, yeah, he's pretty much
the most interesting character that shows up 0.1 percent of the

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entire series but it's that point what I'm saying.
Definitely disproved. Your longevity Theory though.
Hmm. Happy to say that.
Happy to be wrong. I'm if they were doing, That but
I'm very it was nice to finally know what's going on in this

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secret lab and that it's not longevity and what like the
whole reason for like keeping itsecret and stuff, but it still
holds like that element of mystery of like why did they
need to kill all these people atthe same time to catch everybody
up who may not have seen that episode.
One of the theories that I had that, I took further with some
input from Sharon Dean and others was.

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I had said you know, they could be doing this longevity thing
the commentators Body between all three series is that you
have a group or a person who is the light of the world.
And they need to bend everybody to their image.
So the thought was, oh, hey why not?
I give, you know, the winners, the secret to Long everlasting
life, with this making them Walker's, that have a brain.

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Sure sounds fine to me so but but through a little bit more
discussions, we came down to like, okay, what if we created
super soldiers, that didn't feelpain that when they got hurt
Wouldn't Die. Unless they their brain got hit
but with all their faculties andeverything they would just keep
going cool Theory. I thought we all kind of came to
a good head with where our mindswere at, but it turns out that

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in this is pretty cool too. Nothing wrong with that.
And I, it really does track withwhat the series is all about.
Or at least what the CR is all about, giving the episode.
What was it? It was it five was quite sort of
Allah for which one was foothold.
Was it three or four? I think it was three but the
idea that we do what we do to get a foothold everything.
Is about a game of inches. Even their goal, their

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scientific goal was hey can we just stop?
Reanimation post-death? Just that if we can do that that
is that goes a long way to bringing back Humanity.
That means when we die, we don'tcome back.
That means all we have to deal with afterwards, which is what
the culling facilities are all about, is get what's there.
You know, get what has reanimated foothold was episode

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2, right? Mario, chimed in with that to
thank you. Actually.
I don't know who's faster. He sounds like you were typing
and then Mario. Just trying to be like, stole
your thunder. Thanks Mario.
Oh, well, number for you is pets.
It wasn't 100 Mario just been served by jasmine.
Tea, it's not sticking around. Okay, I'm sorry.
That's reserved for medical stuff.

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Only stupid David Park is nipples.
Okay, so yeah, so no. So it looks like from this
episode we're left to conclude that that was the goal.
That was a goal that they've hadfor eight years.
You know, since the start of theApocalypse, right?
No kidding. No, that was 12 years ago.
Whoo, or before before, and I only say that because of the
date on that. Project be piece of paper,

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right? Sounds like they've been working
on this before the fuck. Did I get in your head?
The vodka? I don't feel better mean, you
can't just, you can't dispute that date.
I mean, no matter how you switch, those numbers around it
still pre-apocalypse. Yeah.
So no matter how you do it. Yeah.
For others who made him, who mayhave missed that episode?

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What we had seen in the project V which we now know is Project
voters. We had seen a date on there.
That was from 2002. Or was that's what at least.
It seemed we posted on the blog,the two versions of the paper.
And what we're finding out is that it's possible that so
that's when Jasmine was, you could have said that out loud.
Why didn't you say it? Say it, say it out loud.

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Oh, did you not want me to say that out loud 02?
No, dude you were born in 2002. Do anything Silas on.
It hurts so bad. Why do?
I because I graduated high school in And two.
I graduated high school 1997. So let's move on.

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I don't care. Otis really weird.
Okay, let me just say this out loud.
I used to be the young guy in the room.
I know that sounds weird, doesn't it coming from my
perspective in Sandy's like 1990babies?
Since she graduated high school?No, I was like the young guy in
the room surrounded by older people and it was always the
young computer guy in the officewith the older ladies hitting.

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I know that feeling, you know, and well not that part old
ladies, didn't it? It doesn't last forever.
Now, don't know glow. Sic Transit Gloria.
Exactly, unless you're always hanging out with people who are
older than you, that seems to bewhat's happening to me, like the
older I get, like my friend. Like I hang out with a lot of
people that are well, okay, let's be honest.
I hang out with my mom's friends.
There's no way. There's no sugarcoating it.

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I hang out a lot with my mom's friends, so I'm a lot of times.
I'm the youngest person in the room to share, no matter how old
I am, and he's gonna hang out with Betty White right now.
It said, yes, Crowd. Oh, I would love to hang out
with Betty White. Figure out people that are older
than her. That's a, that's her logic.

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I was the youngest person at work and then they hired someone
new, and then she became the youngest.
So I left and now I work somewhere else is because he
left because of that, I'm out ofhere.
If I can't be the, youngest I'm out of here like up and to the
table just to do, it was like, although To be able to get

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there. Whoa, anyways, that's Jasmine.
Still in the safety. There's a happy ending to me
being not being the youngest person in every office.
Fixing computers being hit on byolder ladies.
I get to be the older guy who's not creepy.
I promise not Green fee but who like younger women or older

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women to will hit on. I'd say this just happened
recently. Okay, so I like literally last
week this really He weird. Oh you look really good in fact
that you getting hit on. Yeah, it's really weird.
Oh yeah I hadn't been hit on in a very long time.
This was an older woman 2. Yeah.
It was just a little it just it put me on my haunches because I
didn't register it at the time and then I got home.
I literally not until I got homeand I like she hitting on me.

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This is weird. Yeah I was just going to ask you
like do you do you recognize it in the moment?
Like do you know when you're being Heaven?
Because I first of all I don't think I ever have been if I'm
being honest. Yeah but well I take that back
there. I take that.
The one time the one time I knowfor sure this is the create this
is a creepy story. I'm sorry.
The one time I know for sure I was being hit on is when I was

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15 who dressed as a clown, I'm not shitting you, I'm not
kidding anymore. Got this probably died.
Was that I was at you. Probably don't.
I was at a job. I was a clown.
I was, I was Ruby at Ruby Tuesday's the restaurant, okay?
So I would. Yep.
That was my, that was my very first job ever, and I just
happen to be We on a break. So I was drinking a soda up at

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the bar, talking to my friend Meredith, who was bar back that
night, her bartending, sorry, excuse me, and this old creepy
guy course I was 15 so he was probably like 30, you know.
I thought that was old back then.
Yeah. And he's like, uh, how about a
hotel room across the street? If you want to come over, we
could watch movies. And I'm like, what?
I'm like, I'm 15 in case you didn't know, he's like, okay,

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like what, huh, laughing 15 break was over.
My break was over as that fat. It's pretty creepy.
That's the only time I could tell you, for sure that I've
been head on. Damn.
That's extreme rigidity. Yeah, it's not just nothing more
than just tea. Rachel Rachel's trauma reasons,

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coffee and Ashes, start a support group.
Rachel Rachel is group therapy that's what this podcast is
turned into, I'm happy, maybe you maybe that's maybe that's
also a little bit why I'm still terrified of clowns.
Oh because it was you that was the The clown who was hit on
like, oh, they other creepy. Guys are like, clowns is the bad

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Association, you know? Yeah, yeah.
I get it. I'm sorry that happened to you,
who like it would be. One thing?
Is he now it would be one thing if he didn't know.
Right. And then I was like, then.
Yeah. But then you tell him and he
goes. Yeah.
So yeah, that was the response, right?
Right. And it's good.
I get it. I like it.
I like a good clown, right? It doesn't everybody.

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It's a joke because nobody does that.
Somehow somehow in my brain. That was worse than me.
Being 15, was me being dressed as a clown.
I think we really should move on.
I'll tell because clown them. No, yes.
It doesn't make sense. Anyway, so no, no, no, no.
That's what is the chloroform? Be cut.

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All of this out. We're what's We Don't Close Your
affiliate. I don't have chlorophyll.
What is this? What is this bleach my eyes.
They cut all the cut this crap out some.
Now, we'll cut some out right. Mario.
Yes. And we can, we can cut this out,

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right? Chloe.
Yeah. So, what were you even talking
about being? Oh, actually, we were talking
about Mason and your love for him.
Oh yes. I don't remember she didn't fall
for my tribe. Oh yeah, it's fine.
Okay, I do it since she and we were boiling Jasmine's like for

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this episode to Mason being on screen essentially and that
moved on to the young guy, hit on thing and whatever.
So Sharon, who's calling at Mason philia?
Doesn't that really doesn't havea phobia?
Oh man, we're embarrassing like asthma too much.
Okay, so, but could you reduce it to just that or yeah?

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Science science is a series of data points that show you,
whether your theory is proved ornot.
And what else gets proven? We're either either of you guys
in the camp that because I know there have been lots of theories
about Major General Beal, possibly being Rick Grimes, or
either of you in that camp, I never was, but we can't be Mason
start. Correct.
Yeah, right. Right.

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That's, that's what I was. That's what I was going to get
Matt. Yeah, yeah, there isn't, there
is a way you can do it, but it'sjust so fantastic.
You can't do it. It's just like, okay, here it
is. Yeah, Rick had another life
before Lori even that. There you go done.
No, because I think, oh, see, I wasn't thinking that given the,
like, the time job. Keep you like, younger than Carl

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putter older than Judah? Just yeah, yeah, I agree with
that timeline. Oh, you sing me?
Eysan, I think it is. Carl, we're still alive Mason
would be younger than Carl rightnow but older than Jupiter
point. So yeah, disproven yeah, all
around this but Mario Mario. Up while call was like five mmm

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which is entirely possible. We're actually so their age wise
age-wise. Well, that's kind of what I'm
saying though. Second family, but age-wise, I
think Carl wasn't supposed to look as old as he did.
I mean like when we first meet him then plus two plus years.
That's how old Carl was supposedto look like.
So I mean I would have put Carla13 and a half or 14 when he

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exits exits the show but it's nobecause he just thought way to.
I'm I'm Comfortable with 14 or 15 when he dies it's
relationship. Well, I mean, II do I will agree
with Dave? Like obviously Chandler was not
14 or 15, he was much older but based on the timeline that we've

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tried to nail down, I would say probably like 14 or 15 and yes I
would also say Enid is older than Carl by a couple.
Maybe a year or two. Yeah and that's there's nothing
wrong with that. I've dated older woman I don't
not not in this world. Are you kidding?
It has he got It where you can find it.
Yeah. And so, so is it possible?
And then like, by the time 10 years goes by, that means the

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fall Mason was about eight or seven, right?
Or we're it could be six. Let's say, which tracks with
with the age of the other teenagers, let's say on the
show, so the fall 78. So yeah, he had a life before
Carl, I guess, I'm not saying this is true.
I'm saying if you wanted to cover.
Yeah. I have an even crazier Theory

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than that. That they could do if they
wanted God. Was it Jim Carrey?
They did a movie where a guy shows up in this town and he
lost his memory, but the whole town convinced him.
He was this this person. And so he like took over this
person's life and they convincedhim that he of, who he was.
Even though he wasn't this person that everyone told him he
was oh I don't know. Is this sounding familiar at

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all? I think it was at I want to say
it was a Jim Carrey movie. You know.
Maybe it was a sponge that's Harley.
Yeah maybe it wasn't Jim Carrey at all.
But I swear there. Something similar to that story
line. Anyway, I think cool.
I want to watch things easy way out there Theory, maybe
something similar happened with Rick.

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I mean, he could have lost his memory and then this group said,
oh yeah, your, this is who you are and maybe Mason was, like,
placed as his son, I don't know.I again, it's crazy.
It's a crazy wild help their Theory.
But in fact, that last thing is always wise.
It doesn't feel like it could betrue because why wouldn't Mason
go along for this ride? Go along with it.

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Yeah. Why would he do that?
That? Yeah, except maybe he gets
perks. Maybe he maybe being a general
Sun. Gives him perks freedoms that
he's allowed. What about like his whole box
story about is like family. Being disappointed.
That he's not joining the military and specifically.
That's true. That's true.
Yeah, I don't want General be able to be Rick, but I'm gonna
let me say that first. I don't want this to happen, but

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I'm trying to convince myself ofways that it's possible.
Well and also Mason might not beeven his real self is like
biological son, could be an adopted son.
So Mario and Sharon debris. Up to.
Yeah. Okay.
Could he didn't even see that. It could be if he's adapted.
Yep. And share and he says the same
thing unless he's at a stop signor whatever.
You know like my got married andstepsons.
Yes, sure I'm going to reiterate.

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I don't want it to be right, butthere are ways that it could be.
Let me see. Let me read with Mario saying, I
think the series goes out of character too much.
Rick wouldn't ever be like that?Bill guy is the only reason why
I always have this problem with with BL and Rick is that is
where we left off. When he went away.
I mean yes, he resolved in self to not be stubborn about the

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community is trying to be together.
You know, I think after his conversation with Darryl, but if
he does have some memory loss asa result of blood loss, let's
say he might not remember that conversation.
So what does Rick turn into having tried to unite the
communities under one banner? And there is a bit of a, okay,
I'm going to stretch here a little bit, but there is a bit
of a parallel to the alliance ofthe three and the communities

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that we leave off, right? Okay.
So there Like ocean there. Yes, it goes inside.
Sanctuary Hilltop Alexandria. The kingdom kingdom, but it felt
but fell after after the fact. Yeah, after the fact so you had
all that's true that you're right here.
So yeah, I did say I was inside this what I think is the first
one I said, is that saying something?
I don't know, Dave's tea. Anyway, so, um, no.

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But there's the idea of the alliance falling and then, what
if Rick went dark in response tohim trying to keep things up but
knowing the only the one thing that he does know is that he was
in the process of trying to keepall these communities together
Every single cost but maybe the last impression that leaves off
with is that's not possible. We need to kind of like Michonne
not wanting to help the other communities after scars.

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I think it was the thing that made her be this way.
Now Erick because it turns out this all is to Mario's Point
have to highlight Mario. His fear was that this was all
political and it turns out that that may be the case even though
Huck has not been fully debriefed by Jadis, it seems
like that is the case. It's All about competition.

(22:53):
It's all about the numbers and it looks like and just like true
to form. Trudeau Walking Dead World
beyond for the numbers that Portland have 87,000 got campus
Colony with 10. He got Omaha with almost
100,000. Yeah, they do put together have
200,000 people behind their walls matched with the see ours,
200,000 strong that she that we got from Kubrick and last year

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in Tiger, the lamb at this in the Stinger from Barca actually.
And then here he is again your 200,000 strong.
So yeah, turns out that they look, I'm not saying they're
right to suss out. These other communities are
these alliances or these alliances wherever real or
bullshit. Maybe they were all bullshit.
I don't know. But it's hard to sink in what
this is all about. And maybe we ought, we should be

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afraid. This is all about politics.
It was all about playing God. About one Community carefully,
managed in Annika, obsessive-compulsive, level to
surviving. This could have all been that,
but the only thing that really bugs me about this, maybe we
could work this out is If project voters was something we
developed in year 2 and it seemed like maybe that, you
know, Lila who was involved seems like from the beginning of

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this project, because she even says, as they were talking about
this, the, it's a project that'staken a lot, a long time, you
know? And she seems like, she may have
been the one who's been mainly involved in it is using all
these people, the deaths of these people just an excuse to
test this product out. But also like kill two birds
with one stone kill the competition while, trying to
perfect project voters was It never about voted to begin with

(24:23):
me. Did Bill, even give up on the
project and just said, you know what?
We can't we can't do anything about the reanimation we might
as well kill all the other people that might threaten our
walls. Jada still says that that
project bonus is still, you know, top priority according to
be real. So so I don't know that he's
given up on it yet but what if that's the lie that everybody

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hears? What if that's the lie that
everybody understands Huck is debriefed by Jadis?
So everything that Huck knows about What the CRS purpose had
been in terms of Campus calling,to Omaha being, maybe a
political move, or most likely in political move, that truck
that doesn't track with the importance of project voters.
She said that in front of Leo, not in front of Huck, in a sense

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even though like when they're, when they're looking over
project voters with Lila, she still keeping up that ruse,
let's say. But then they take out Lila.
So seconds later they still won't be able to people, right?
So they're saying the things in front of Leo, but, Not.
But in behind closed doors at basically sounds like I mean,
she says, okay, let's just cap this off by saying, she says
this to Dennis, it's all bullshit.

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Everything we went through all bullshit, saving the kids
bullshit savingly. Oh bullshit.
It's leads us to believe all this science that that Bill
wants or Wander from the beginning.
It may have been true at one point but after eight years I
think Bill doesn't give a shit about voters.
It seems like because Huck explaining did to Dennis that.
This is all bullshit indicates that vote is Bullshit.

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Why would he keep the receptor for everybody else?
Yes, smokescreen. The biggest bullshit.
Smokescreen in history. So, if the priority isn't
project, vote us anymore. What is his priority?
Well, irony of ironies calling and maintenance.
It's not just about culling the dead.
It's about calling the living. Jasmine had a really good point
before we began today, like if you kill everybody who's left

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for your communities, basically,we are the light of the world
doesn't matter if they figure this out.
How they can manage everything on their own all internally,
they can get the genetic. I mean, Lila made a joke about
it. A couple episodes about will
several episodes back about, youknow, we match you up with your
perfect partner, which is a, oh,I never got to mention this
though. There is that was another AMC

(26:37):
show that did. This is it was a little
tongue-in-cheek reference to another AMC show.
I don't know if I actually said this, or if I was just in my
notes, they matched people up atthe genetic genetic partners and
it was a Netflix show called TheOne it which is also a play on.
That was a BBC. America thing.
Oh, I have that. The one I have that saved in my
list of things to watch. It's pretty good as haven't

(26:58):
gotten to it yet. So it's a, it's a limited series
kind of thing. So it's like I think six or
seven episodes. Sounds binge worthy.
Yeah, I don't know what the AMC one was called though.
I know I put this down my nose because I obsessively looked it
up. If they aren't bothered about
the Result, tell the 7th Republic, the CRF, or just the

(27:20):
whole city are just this. Once I'd like to see how and why
don't we just like get rid of the research facility, and just
not tell the civet record live. Let's all agree that all the gas
that they need and have producedis in that facility.
It's not anywhere else most likely kill Portland and then
just blow the results of his research who says that they

(27:40):
weren't about. To, they just need to get to
Portland first, mmm. Because if let's say, the gas
fails are going to any number ofexcuses, one could have to keep
the CRF around. I'm not saying that vote is his.
Dead like the project itself is dead.
I'm sitting I'm just saying thatthere is no faith in the project
but now the project is being used as a smokescreen like if
they happen to find the thing that stops reanimation.

(28:04):
Okay but I think I feel this is more of an I feel in the data
looks like that. This is the case that vote is is
just an excuse to commit genocide at this point
scientifically backed and look the evidence is all the evidence
points to Lila, but why kill Lila why?
But sure. They can't justify killing

(28:24):
hundreds of thousands of people because they only need like one
test subject at a time. So how would even be like a
valid smokescreen for all Portland?
Knows the only reason why they were killed was because of a
column, but I love how he figured out that dr.
Abbott found out and that they made it.
So it was that wasn't possible. Yeah.
So I know I feel you. You're doing the me part of

(28:47):
everything where I say, how can that be?
What doesn't make sense. But that's good that It's good
that it doesn't make sense because I did the soldiers of
the Severn. The CRM.
Why are they all just so chill with killing everyone.
Oh well. So there's to reap.
There's two answers to that. I love your questions there so
good because it really does go back to what I was saying
before. Like first of all, who design

(29:08):
their helmets, was it built himself?
Because I think Bill understandsThe Executioner's, you know
their identities need to be concealed, right?
I've mentioned this several times before their execution or
helmets. That's you know, you don't judge
the Executioner but and that's just the pretty flowery poetic
answer. But the real answer is they
don't know the chain of command makes it so they don't know.

(29:30):
I feel like only General Beal and Jadis let's say may know the
truth. Oh and Colonel Kubrick.
Is there any Coke and Kublai, right?
Three circles are BL Kubrick andLila knows because they allowed
it is. Which is that really so crazy
odd. If you think to think about like
Jadis swooping into that third circle, her being on the outside
which gives me hope and we'll get back to that.

(29:52):
But they're like Dennis when Silas confronts Dennis saying.
I don't think the CRM is what you think they are tentacles.
Want to talk about it, we're talking about Silas.
What did you wish it since I wasthis high?
No, you know what? I was just like a wrong all
around and goodbye. Dennis like, Oh, I thought I
heard Somethin wrong. Uh, you're good, you're good

(30:14):
boy, Silas. You're good boy.
Good boy, right? That was a weird exchange but
that's endemic of a soldier in the CR.
That's the Democrat of the be. We all Think the right thing,
right? Like we trust in our in our and
in our superiors, that they knowwhat they're doing.
I mean, look at the newspaper, even the CR itself.

(30:36):
General Beal has a crazy high approval rating because they
feel like he's being transparent.
They feel like he's making the Right Moves.
He's like, oh civilian oversight.
Yeah, let's do it. Come on, let's let's civilian my
oversight. Let's do it.
So and then like let's do transfer power to see are.
All right? Yeah.
Bring on the civilian government, whoo.

(30:56):
I'm General bill. I have a, I don't know why my
accents like this. I have, no, let's just keep
going anyway. So you get what I'm saying?
Like there is like, I can't waitto meet this feel.
I can't wait to meet this guy now.
So if we, if unless they do the thing where we'll never meet
him, oh my god. Oh, and why not?
Why not? Why not least something for the

(31:17):
movies, right? Hmm.
I hate being the bearer of bad news, but it's very possible.
Don't you think and it's genius if they do this?
Yeah. Yeah.
Remember like Inspector Gadget. Okay, I'm aging myself again.
Yes, you never got to see the bad guy.
The claw would I write? That was his name claw.
Hmm, you never got to see you again.
You know, Jasmine's like to fuckshit cartoon.

(31:40):
These people watch this faggot all use.
All you would see is his hand petting, his cat metal.
The metal claw with the spiky bracelet thing.
Maria says, they come says the light of the world.
I think they're really out really too far gone and probably
want to be the last Community standing, the last Light.
The last Light of the World, A slight and well, proof case in
point. I mean, what, what is a match in

(32:02):
absolute pitch Darkness? It's the brightest thing you've
ever seen, you know. So of course you know lights up
an entire room so it's a but in order to do that, you have to
make the whole room dark like dark as fuck, that's a really
Grim thought. If you take that outside, the
context of just being literal charity which says when Silas
confronts Dan is ha ha that's sopersonal.

(32:23):
Why are you asking me this question?
Mario says, the soldiers believethe purpose or they are afraid
of what they will do to them if they don't believe.
Yeah, well they as anything but no.
But I think for to further pointI mean I think they believe to
just like the CR believes you know.
I think that's that's the only thing that keeps this whole
machine running together. Not just fear like obviously a
certain number of Soldiers will have had to have been involved

(32:47):
in the whole like setting. The gas out the mass killing of
everybody like surely they know something's up but the get but
the gas is green one. Most I mean most soldiers don't
they don't ask questions, they are Soldier and so they follow
orders. Yeah.
What's the quote? And they're not they're not
supposed to question what they're being told.
I was just following orders. Yeah, we alluded to this in the

(33:09):
last episode where the last fit to walk into Burrell beyond
episode. We said, Why does this smell?
Even though chlorine is odorless?
Why's it smell a lot like Nazi Germany.
Why? Because there's a lot of that
going on to Jasmine. You're absolutely right.
These soldiers might have a clueof what's going on and just not
be either not care enough to do anything about it or like Dave

(33:31):
said, truly believe in what they're doing and the in-between
or or they're just or they just put the blinders on and they're
like I'm just doing my job. Just doing my job.
Yeah the Milgram experiment Stanley Miller volume mentioned
that a lot. So yeah, well, if you believe
you are doing the right thing, you will continue to do bad.
That that is the Crux of the Stanley Milgram experiment, but

(33:52):
it's that uterus, uterus. The yeah.
Oh yeah, the appeal to Authorityfallacy, right?
Yeah, even though that we now know that's that he has flaws.
However, it did illustrate that it's been, it's been repeated
and it still has very similar. Yeah, I was gonna say that
again, it's gonna say that too, because I actually Revisited the
research and it turns out, yes, there are people that are

(34:12):
validated, it's going back and forth.
Earth again with with the research, it came up in my
lecture a couple of weeks ago. But the appeals authorities is
very real influence is real and we talked about influence, isn't
it strange that we have a con artist, a a mentalist a /,
somebody who put pedals and influence with our gang, and
then we're dealing with it on a huge scale on a large scale,

(34:36):
Percy. Being that person and then maybe
a con artist noting knowing the con.
And then also like Jadis to Jadis was isn't is no.
Is not unfamiliar with the con and being subversive but there
is some sort of symmetry here with with Percy having knowledge
of subverting people's influenceor sorry, taking advantage of
people's influence and then you have this whole well as Dana

(34:58):
says a language it's not just Jadis who was embedded with
others in a junkyard. Although I do want to talk talk
a little bit about that. But specifically what Jada says
goes to in the last episode, goes to the greater purpose of
the CR2, or the CRM, more specifically when you have your
own. Language or maybe Rachel in your
code book thing. Like oh maybe they all speaking
cone then I can if I can have language but maybe to your point

(35:21):
in a more figurative sense, likewhen you've developed your own
language you have your own tribeand we have the orange tribe,
you can make your own rules. And sometimes objective,
morality takes a backseat to like subjective morality or, you
know, the morality of the day. This is what we're doing out
here. But let's talk about, let's just
touch on Jada's for a second because the interaction with

(35:42):
Silas, I kind of want to get your take.
At first, I did think it was cute.
I liked how she gets kept talking about his feet, which
kind of gross me out because I don't like feet either.
I don't know what, I don't know what that phobia is but so it
kind of freaked me out every time they'd show his feet on
screen and I'm like broth. But I thought it was hilarious
that she's just like she was so focused on his feet Peter

(36:04):
phobia, it's getting hotter. Phobia brought to you by Jasmine
see but what about it was endearing to you and this is
there's a problem here because what she's saying In here is
almost endearing to us, right? Like she's in Syria gray,
shading herself to us, rather than necessarily set because
Silas, could be very weirded outby why she was bitch talking

(36:25):
about my feet klompers. Yeah, I'm very salty.
I'm a man, you know. But what do you think about?
It was cute for us to watch but sort of her demeanor towards
Silas. I think, allowed him anyway, to
feel a little more comfortable. Maybe, I don't, I don't know, it
was really tough. They feel like they were both
sort of playing this part, right?

(36:47):
Like she's trying to do something specific and he's
trying to basically not get Dennis in trouble.
I think his goal was to not get Dennis in trouble or himself,
but honestly, I think he was thinking more about protecting
Dennis in that moment. I did, like when Dennis walked
in and his reaction to Jada's. I like that.
That was kind of my favorite part of the scene.
But what the fuck are you doing here?

(37:09):
I agree with love. Yeah, yeah.
Like are you effing shitting me or what does he say?
They'd read drops. A couple of bad words.
I don't know. I thought I did it.
Does he? I thought, I don't think he does
but it's feel like shit. Are you shitting me?
Yes, it does. Are you shitting me?
Yeah, yeah. So what I had written was Dennis
knows Jadis, but it feels like you shouldn't have ever seen her
again or not really for a while which is also it gives us a

(37:31):
sense of time because for all weknew Jane has left only a couple
years ago but it was a long timeago, enough to get for her to
get smiling. New people are ya?
Oh left. The show research facility.
Yeah. No, I meant with Rick.
Well, that well that was six years ago, we know that for
sure. Yeah, exactly.
But you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah for us, it feels like
not too long ago but that long ago was like, a span of six year

(37:54):
again, feeling a sense of time. Oh, she had enough time to meet
other people with which to get close to but also piss off.
So my status. So she must have been the one
that investigated Could be couldbe like are hoarding training at
the very least right? You know six years is a long
time or no this is only two years ago so it could have been

(38:15):
her. Sure.
Right. And maybe, as a result of this,
this specific incident could have been the thing that made
her rise up in the ranks again. She's she openly admits her her
ambition, and her desire to riseup in the ranks do for.
I'm gonna get that promotion. At the end of the year, we know
Huck covered up for Dennis does.Janus know that Dennis was
ultimately at fault for basically the trainees getting

(38:38):
Old. Or does she still think that
that was Huck's mistake. Well, you have to remember that
hook took the responsibility or tried to take the response.
Yeah before. Dennis right, right.
But the downfall was that she didn't want the cards and then
so she did a me a call plus Special Operation whatever.
So yeah, at the end of the day and why is that important?
Why at the end of the day? She knows everything and why is
that important? Because the she still knows

(38:59):
everything. Mmm.
This is the one thing that I have said several episodes ago
with the hole in it, when corporate Pierce was first
introduced that. I said, oh, it seems To me like
the CR is so confident, they will get what they want, that
they will let people do things, quote, unquote, under their
noses, until such a point, wherethey feel like the time is
right, to take advantage. This is why I'm very worried

(39:21):
about hook, because I got the feeling that Janice has
intentionally gave information. See who she will take it to
ultimately I feel the same way and you know what, that's when I
walked away on S. Watch from this episode, I
almost thought I am not. Then in agreement with you but I
did have that same thought as you Jasmine.

(39:42):
I did have that thought of like,I know how these people operate
on a personal level and on a professional level and I know
it's perfect that it is me because I was the one to catch
them and put Huck in this or sorry, Jennifer Malik in the
special operation and and I'm going to say this and I don't
know if this is true but I feel like it is sending denisof to be

(40:04):
reprogrammed and then sent to the calling facility because it
does Like there was a little bitof reprogramming going on.
Why do I say this? And I'll get back to this point
also, but I say this because there's a really good just like
Barca was very good symmetry forJennifer in the last episode.
Dennis is also good symmetry with barca in this episode.
It shows the wildly different outcomes of what Dennis had to

(40:26):
go through. And it took, Dennis was also
sent to a reprogramming, a reassessment facility and it
worked, but when we see barca inthe first few scenes, he is beat
to shit. It looks like he had his just
healing Having his nose broken, his face, busted up.
He's just at the edge of healingfrom that.
And now he's here in a research facility, this is the other end
of the spectrum. But what does that tell you?

(40:48):
It does answer the question thatyou had Jasmine Barca comes to
kubik at the end of tiger and the lamb and says, I'm having a
problem with what happened and in this is him not knowing what
exactly is going on. This is him just asking
questions. Look what happens to people, who
ask questions, some people get awarning like Lila and Jennifer
Malik. Some people get It more than a

(41:08):
warning. Like, Jennifer Malik.
Dennis had had made a call that just didn't work out.
Now was Jenna, was he supposed to be punished?
I don't think so, but it was made worse by Jennifer Malik.
Taking on the responsibilities and trying to make up for it by
by subversion. Basically.
And it made like, what could have been a forgivable for sorry

(41:30):
forgivable call, although albeitsomebody was trying to paint the
picture that he was drunk on duty and made a bad call fine.
But Was made worse by trying to quote unquote, do the right
thing for the wrong for the right reason or the wrong thing
for the right reasons. Why do I say all this because
again it shows that Dennis was sent away Huck was sent away and
then you get to the end this episode like what was the whole

(41:51):
purpose of them being sent away him being reprogrammed in sense
of the college facility? Her going on a special mission
to retrieve scientists and she says at the end of this episode,
it's all bullshit, it's a rat. It's well using a rat in this
episode to illustrate the fact that the rat will get tired and
Adventure. Repeat it Peter out because the
Dad will eventually catch up to them as a greater metaphor for
what's going on here. All the CRS doing is pushing

(42:13):
paper around and pushing paper around to give people something
to do. Because I don't think, even they
ultimately, at some point, like,at the top General be, let's say
they all feel like they're doingsomething.
They all feel like they're trying to get a foothold, but I
honestly do not feel in my heartof hearts that bill believes
anymore. The one person that everybody
has confidence in. I feel like he's just giving

(42:34):
everybody something to do and it's really making me.
At this point, what about re focusing their efforts on trying
to stop the current infection. Like they're trying to find a
way for people who died to not reanimate.
Right. But we're talking about living
people. I mean if Bill was really smart,
he'd be focusing his efforts on how to mass Wipe Out the Walkers

(42:57):
that already exists. Which I realized you know, the
that is sort of what they're working on in the research
research facility but I mean well that's the other and like
everything that's your hopes up.Yeah.
Right. That's right.
I just feel like it should be amped up like that, that project
should be the priority. Yeah, well actually no sorry, I
misspoke hope is working on making them break down faster.

(43:19):
Well yeah. Essentially killing them.
I mean, that's yeah, taking careof it.
When one end will say that people that are are animated
break those people down. People, Walker's down empties
down, you cops, the name of the drug.
That Leila said she was using. She had said, it wasn't.
It was a basically, an algae derivative mixed with chlorine
gas essentially. You're welcome.

(43:41):
Makes y now we know why it's green.
That's yeah, yeah, presumably right, the algae's.
Just for color, it's really chlorine gas, it's really corny
as the world is fucked. Everybody hide.
The CR is coming to get you. It's a modern-day folklore.
It's scary story that you tell at a camp, just Jasmine's going

(44:02):
to correct me. I feel it.
I feel it coming. She's gonna correct me or what?
It's not LG. And here's why.
Oh no, she just hasn't determined face.
You know, when some people, I know they walk with
determination. It's Jasmine, 24/7 coming, it's
coming Jasmine's. Going to put me in my place.
I'm waiting for it. She's good.
Let's, let's keep going. No LG's, not green.
And here's why it's more of a reddish brown.

(44:23):
That's red brown algae. Yeah, anyway.
Yeah. Sort of a real thing that I
don't think I got the name, right, really?
Yeah, I don't know. I don't want it.
LG, I'm familiar with is what? You know what you get in your
pool. Things look bad yet too kind.
Yeah, which chlorine the algae is great.

(44:45):
I wasn't looking like they're still good.
Why was double checking was chlorine combines with algae and
effectively, kills algae. So I don't know.
Why should be mixing them to face.
Yeah, I don't know either. Yeah.
Who knows science? This is something this is

(45:06):
sci-fi, which is, which is why after a long winter?
Your pool does fill up with Because you're not consistently
chlorinating it. I did kind of like the little
sigh finest of her pressing a button and gas coming through.
We don't we it's been a very, very long time since we've seen
any of this. I think that long time to season
one, I think right? The CDC.
Essentially that came even closeto doing any sort of science.

(45:27):
Oh oh I see what you're saying. Okay, but even season 1 of The
Walking Dead World Beyond Walking Dead.
We didn't really even see in TheWalking Dead World Beyond like
the science at were at play. And here we're getting that
little bit of an eyeful of What we presume is what you version
6.0 of her lack of reanimation thing project foetus.
Yeah. Yeah.

(45:48):
That too. Yes of course.
It went wrong. Okay.
I have a question. So project bonus.
Is this gas that kills people and then hopefully in ideally
prevents them from reanimating. That's the ultimate goal.
Yes. Okay yeah so so the idea here is
still to take people out like this is This was always going to

(46:11):
be a weapon of mass destruction,well against the living
specifically. What about if it also affects
the dead? That's what I'm wondering.
That's, that's what I wonder if you, you said it off in like a
big area and it kills, all the Walkers and all the people that,
you know, you know, that's what I'm wondering.
You just drew a very good conclusion, because what would
the purpose of this Gatsby otherthan to kill the living and make

(46:34):
sure they don't come back? How is that right?
What is this? Unless, like Jasmine said, it
works on both living and dead. We haven't seen evidence of that
just yet, I had do I have to presume though that that the
cocktail that they were using for Omaha and even Barca is a
mixture of the poison with the Cure or not the Cure but like,
so whatever algae derivative they're using is the thing that

(46:54):
they will give to normal humans.Let's say so a vaccine
essentially. Okay, again I said I say I am
presuming mmm. We really don't know.
Ultimately, it really all comes down to what Huck says at the
end of the episode with Dennis, it's all bullshit.
It's all Oh shit. They don't believe in this
project anymore after eight years they don't believe in it.
Like that, I don't either it's like that.

(47:17):
It really does not sit well withme because that's been the whole
plot for the past two freaking years.
Like if it's all bullshit, we'vewasted two years of our life and
that would piss me off. I like it though.
I am not, I'm not saying, hold on, I have to be specific with
my words here. I don't like it because it's
heartbreaking on a personal level, like, I'm watching the
show and oh, no, this is all political all along, right?

(47:39):
Mario mm-hmm. And so I don't like that part on
a narrative level. I'm like this totally totally
tracks with everything. We've seen in 10 years of The
Walking Dead Fear. The Walking Dead in The Walking
Dead World Beyond there is no cure.
There's no avoiding it. This is your life and if ending
one minute at a time this is this is all it'll ever be.

(48:01):
So be your ideal self. You're going way out of your way
to just say, hey, you know, the world had ended.
These are people that are pretending the world didn't end
and that that There's something they can do about it, which is
very gratifying. Because we've been sitting here
for the better part of, let me see, hmm, about three or four
years. Having first seen the sea are
like really this the CRM and saypretending that they they're the

(48:25):
be-all-end-all like they are unstoppable, implacable and yes,
for the most part they are but even knowing that even their
bullshit their farts smell and they acknowledge that their
farts smell, or at least Beal isacknowledging that there.
Fart smell and is saying, well, if we can't solve this zombie
virus, you might as well build acommunity that we can actually

(48:46):
properly managed and not have any outside variables.
We all we can do is take care ofour own.
And so, they're making sure thatno other outside forces, become
a problem for them, do you know,the names of the Dead?
I mean, the dead. If they're trying to Casa and
right, but like Lila and like Jada say the dead don't rest.
They're never going to rest. So if there's one Community left

(49:08):
standing and that's the sort So food for these Walkers.
Where do you think they're headed?
Which goes to a small aside thatI had think this during our
Fear, The Walking Dead conversation for last season.
For season 6. I had said, you know what?
If in the air high concentrations of people attract

(49:28):
walkers from all directions, let's say just generally
speaking terms of Might let's say like I'm migration pattern.
Well that's interesting because they did bring up migration
patterns with dr. Babel are in the first half.
Yep. And then too.
A greater extent these Bo fours,right?
Why is it that they keep coming back there people here, right?
So yeah, but are not Donnie. What are these Walkers being

(49:51):
attracted to right high concentrations of people, Rufus,
Rufus like how he could smell Wendell from so far away.
Maybe the walkers have like super strong smell, which goes
back to our to Sanjay. Smell is the highest order of
sense. Going for the record.
Freshest meat. Or what did he say?

(50:11):
What did he say? The yeah, the smell of smell of
blood like that. Yeah, yeah like fresh meat or
something like that. That's what they're most
attracted to. Yeah.
Not movement. Not this not that the smell of
blood and it would make sense that if everything around them
is dead except for one Community, the only smell would
be coming from that Community. Right?
That's where they're all going to converge, right, right?

(50:32):
Wouldn't that would make sense? It sounds me.
Sounds have an effect, but when it comes to Fresh Meat, they
will go for the fresh meat period.
So So good job team Sharon do saying, I thought it was
interesting. That Jade is called her by her
first name instead of her military address when she killed
Lila. You mean Jennifer when she said,
yeah, he said, Jennifer unstrap,ER, or unstrap, the Barca.

(50:54):
What, who did you say? I don't remember.
She said, cut the restraints is what she said.
Yeah. And then yeah but she you're
right. She did call her by her name
instead of mmm, that's got to mean something right?
And she even noted in the episode when they first met she
Call her by her first name, she called her warrant officer
Stokes. Who did she say the sushi

(51:15):
talking to when this happened? Frank Newton nose talking to
her? Oh, what is that?
What she was? Who she was talking?
She was telling hook that she wouldn't call her by her first
name. No, what does it say?
She said you still won't call meby my first name after.
Oh yeah, but do you think that when they when they meet in the
like, lobby area? Whatever.
Yeah, I remember that now, but she mentions in this episode.

(51:36):
Is that what you're referring toas well?
She mentions it in this episode.This is men. and in this
episode, she Cole's, Jennifer byJennifer's.
First name is what genre do it? No.
But in this episode, she even Jadis makes mention that you
wouldn't you Jennifer wouldn't call me by my first name when we
first. But who was she talking to
Dennis? Dennis, I think she was talking

(51:57):
to Dennis when I first saw your wife.
She wouldn't call me by my firstname.
I think that's what it was. It was Dennis maybe?
No, no. I want I'm saying this because
it out loud, it was mentioned out loud.
Like maybe we didn't register with us or whatever.
I feel like again there was something going on here.
Here, the very thing that made this whole series happen, has
something to do with Dennis and Hawk and what they done, and

(52:17):
Jadis is involvement and rats ina cage, essentially, this whole
project. And then where does Jade is lie
in all this is she in the inner three Circles of Kubrick Jada's
and which also says it's very possible that Kubrick is well
okay, Kubrick may still be in the middle kubik.
Maybe on behalf of the public. Let's say the CR.

(52:38):
She too does not believe and furthermore she's like Fuck
this. Real guy I'm Gonna Get Enough
info on him so that I can exposehim because where is she?
I know we're going to see her, Idon't know.
I don't know that we're going tosee in the next episode but I
know that I saw some teasers in to the next episode and that we
do see her. I had said that the whole team
is going to save her and maybe she is the key to saving

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everybody, because Portland is as of the end of this episode
doomed. There's no way to get to them on
time. There's no Communications from
here will be picked up which brings back what we see in the
newspaper, the crb see, extending their range, JH not
just for communications, but probably to intercept
Communications, so that Portlandwill never hear it coming.

(53:18):
They will never see it coming. So, yeah, I don't know what to
think about that. I keep going back to the picture
we see, on couplets desk of Huck's, Dad.
We know we now have a face to Huck's dad for some reason.
I'm still. Well, now I can't be Beal
because otherwise Huck and Masonwould be related.
But then again, we've never seena an interaction between those

(53:39):
two. I don't know.
I'm expecting major. We'll be able to be someone that
we have seen their face and I think maybe it's vegan, maybe.
It could have said though, I mean we've said this before to,
they don't know if that makes sense because where does malloc
come from Dennis. What if its mother has a truce?
It's not true, because because now you're right, because she

(54:01):
was Malik before in straight married, but, yeah.
So, you know, that's not true. What if it's Madison, what is
the season 5 of Fear? The Walking Dead?
Where we're going crazy guys? Literally heard a crackling you
guys that what is the big bad asMadison Fear the walk 2005?
You have to remember he's a, he,you have to cut this out.

(54:24):
You have to cut this out but that comes up with our chat with
Alex. He says, what if Eli is
medicine? You need to cut this out.
Who set that up? Alex did.
Yes, it's pretty cool that he's at that into the show to know
that we We kind of beat we kind of we kind of, you know, guided

(54:45):
him to this. Yeah, we sort of yeah, thread
that needle for him but yeah, hewas on board with it.
Further proof that Madison is dead.
No, no, Eli is Madison. He's gonna he's gonna unzip his
Eli costume and medicines inside.
Yeah, but we're going to be airing this after that episode.
We are coverage. So yeah.

(55:06):
So even then Madison is dead because Eli dies at the end of
the so no, see you buddy? That's part of the.
Nope. That's part of the.
That's that's the got it. Just wait till I send it out to
you. Now, he lies the life, brat hash
tag bring back Eli this. Can't keep, we can't keep doing
this. Let's bring up sharing these
taker. The first thing I want to say is

(55:28):
I am really enjoying the show a hell of a lot more than I did.
At the beginning of the season, they have really, really cranked
it up. I'm more excited to watch 2008.
Then I was to watch for this morning.
So Huck is the reason I am into this show right now.
Like, I feel so bad for her. She is just caught in between

(55:50):
everybody. Everybody hates her.
I think I feel like she's trapped by everybody no matter
which way she turns there's an enemy and and she's just stuck
in the middle and it's not like she did anything to really put
herself there. She was just doing her frickin
job. You know she was escorting this
kid to New York. She is so complex and so layered

(56:12):
and Annette is just doing a fantastic.
Fantastic job putting across Huck's insecurities and her
fears. Do we all agree like Like, do we
like Huck? Oh yeah, fuck, yeah, fuck yeah,
yeah. I like to do any good II like
Huck, I mean, I have my favorites but it doesn't really

(56:33):
matter but she's not one of thembut I do like.
But wait, it's nice. That we were able to see from a
couple episodes ago, how she wasbasically getting screwed on all
sides. Essentially, the kids don't like
her, Leo headshots, and really disgusted glances towards her
today. Like right from the outset.
Oh, it's you? Oh, of course it's View and then

(56:53):
Lila comes in and is like oh I like Huck better wait Baila
Baila anyway but yeah, you do get.
See it on all sides and if it happens to be the dentist rats
are out. Oh my God.
Heartbreak City. But I don't think that's gonna
happen. But then, there is also that
everybody hates Huck Silas, withweapon grips.
It tighter that little culling and maintenance weapon.

(57:14):
So but let's be real here. Do you feel like Silas is going
to wreck hooks life in the next episode?
Because I, No, I just can't feelit.
I don't know. What do you say?
Yeah, you're is Jasmine shaking her head to?
I have to say, I don't feel the same way.
Only because wouldn't it be something if Jadis.

(57:35):
Looking at Silas going, I have agood feeling about you ties in
very well to what Silas may do to hook at the next in the next
episode. Right.
Wouldn't it be something? If Jade is giving Silas the nod
made it to the Silas, could do something to hook and Silas
doesn't have the same Hang-Ups he's as he did about.
Killing things that he did in the first season.
I don't think so. I can't fishing Expedition, but

(57:58):
narratively roof. What if Jadis is foreshadowing?
Just like kind of like Leila seeing her reflection in barca's
you know test subject area. We had said this about Madison
when she was looking at the car and just in case or just it just
in case. Yeah, just in case she saw her
Reflection In The Walker, thus illustrating that.
Oh sure. Death is coming to was right.

(58:19):
Superimposed. Oddly onto her face and so we
All that here also they saw thattheir end.
It was almost exactly the same. We saw that she had her and was
met in the same place that barca's was.
And to further to further the point of that, the CRM knowing
everything, Jada seems to recitethe exact same words.
She uses when she explains to the kids, these Walkers are

(58:41):
Perpetual, they don't stop moving, the rat will, eventually
tire out is what she exactly says, hmm.
And so again, we know Jesus is listening and she knows
everything everything. Cinque Pierce knows everything a
few episodes ago when we first see Jadis in the in the stinger
and she's talking to Lila, you had mentioned how odd?

(59:02):
It was that she stood there and talked with her mascot, with her
helmet on. And you had, and you had said,
well, I'll miss well, yes, it was rude.
Not just that, but that she was acting like an executioner,
right? And you were basically
predicting that Jason Jada's would kill Lila.
And that's exactly what we see here.
So points to Dave, which is And I not in the way I had wanted.

(59:25):
Right? Right.
Well, but but you were that you were right?
I mean, you saw the, you saw thewriting on the wall.
Well, and even in, even Jada says it at the end.
She says, well, that's kind of what was I?
We knew we knew that's what was happening and it was only a
matter of time and maybe they wanted to just find an excuse to
install Leo instead to pressure points.
So you don't Lila's have, has had her time.

(59:46):
It's been eight years Lila or maybe less, but probably eight
years, you're useless to us. You're not getting any results
done. Eight years is a little too
long. I mean, I kind of agree with
that. No kidding.
But I do agree with the results going back to Silas.
I don't want to think that Silascould be could inadvertently
without him, knowing all the details, take out Huck.
And then what would where would that leave?

(01:00:06):
Dentist Dentistry going to let that happen.
You know know it's either no matter what I don't think.
So I think they left us on this beautiful Cliffhanger of oh gosh
what's he going to do and nothing's going to happen?
Absolutely nothing about hugs. Going to smooth it over with her
words. Well then you know, Makes me
upset. Because if we all feel like
that's not going to happen, why would you even do it to get our

(01:00:28):
gonna get our Rings? This is, this is how you get
excited. Yeah.
Absolutely. This is how you get excited for
the next episode. You need to leave the viewers
with like a, could the moment. Yeah.
Yeah, I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
You know, you may have missed Percy catching up with Huck at

(01:00:50):
the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dennis.
And after our antennas talk, as Jennifer is leaving the culling
and maintenance facility, they trick she turns to Silas and
seized him and he goes. She goes kid.
We have a lot to talk about Silas, it's just shows a shot of
Jennifer but from Silas is back and you see him rip his weapon

(01:01:11):
tighter. Hmm.
Very foreboding like Remember now I have a way with words.
I'm lucky. Yeah, remember, yeah, but that's
specifically what we're talking about, but you still stand with
the same safe statement that Silas.
Wouldn't is not going to. Okay, but that's, that's, that's
the thing. If it's obvious to us.
Why even do it? I don't know.
That's why it bothers me because, and not for the reasons

(01:01:34):
you think, because it gets in myhead that if they're even
bothering to do this, something will happen.
I don't know what something willhappen.
Otherwise it was Stupid. It was just something that
stupid between between between hug.
Ya that between Haka Silas Silas.
I know, I was thinking the same thing basically out of these

(01:01:54):
three Agent. Dennis is the Expendable one?
Yeah. What if I was just like kills.
Dennis like you like why isn't Silas Expendable?
Hold on, let's let's think aboutthis for a moment because he's
Silas, you shut your mouth Silasis not going anywhere.
Not Expendable, okay. I see.
So Expendable to you, not. Okay.
All right, I get it. Yes, that guy.
I meant in Greater. Wouldn't otherwise?

(01:02:16):
Do you think spendable because we just met him?
I don't know. We're not gonna judge took him.
Yeah he's knew about expendability.
I just think. Process could be like, sorry.
This is like, fucking with bit be with her bills and before
knowing the full picture and then Hook is left to pick up the

(01:02:36):
pieces but maybe like mushrooms in explains it but even that
they so you're saying accidentally right?
Because I do feel a lot of love between like in a rage.
Yeah like in a race I could feelSilas.
Could feel like like Dennis has been playing in the whole time
to maybe Silas will feel like Dennis has been spying on him
for hog. That's exactly what I do.
I just I just don't think. Yeah, I don't know.

(01:02:58):
And then we have to remember that he's a kid too, right?
So impulses. Yeah.
And pulse. Yeah, yeah.
Okay. That's right.
And he's a teenager so he knows you psychopath something.
Yeah. Yeah, but given this background
or at least that's the Assumption.
I mean, we've seen the truth, the truth though.
You know, he was just defending his family and couldn't do it

(01:03:19):
100% successfully. And now all the people that he
cared about anywhere dad. So what if you think that
killing Dennis is protecting hisfamily?
It depends on what he thinks about it because it all comes
from Hawk that's the thing. If he would tennis is secondary
but Dennis being aligned with Huck is primary.
So yeah, I think for Silas killing Huck would be him
protecting his family. I mean, if he considers Percy,

(01:03:41):
part of that family, I guess, you know what I mean?
If she's capable of doing this and she could do it to somebody
else. And so I have to take her out
before she kills. Iris.
Really is probably what he's thinking.
I'm glad I got into your heads because Honestly doing that when
we all of us feel like that nothing will happen is stupid
but now that they've done, it makes me think that they're

(01:04:03):
going to do something. Stupid mating Silas is going to
attack somebody so I'm sorry. It's just makes me weird it out
and I feel like it's you shouldn't do that.
If you're not going to do anything about it, I still don't
think they're gonna do anything to be honest. 100%, I think when
if this is two episodes left, this is a huge gift.
Even if they, they start this, this next scene right there.

(01:04:26):
I bill don't think anything's going to happen.
What I think is going to happen is we're going to jump forward
in time and were either going tobe in the middle of the
conversation that Huck and Silasare having or they will have
already had it. And I know, I know, I know, but
that's we have seen this happen.Hmm.
As much as I don't want Silas tokill anyone.
Imagine how cool it would be to see someone killed.

(01:04:48):
One of them poking, things besides a walker, a living
person. I know I just horriffic but I
guess. Okay let's take that on the
extreme fine. If that were to happen that
would show that would. Also honestly show the cost of
what this Rat Race that's been imposed on everybody involved in

(01:05:12):
this project has wrought and that's poetic it's sad.
And it tracks again with The Walking Dead Universe.
It does somewhat track. I don't like it but here we are.
And you know what? I think, honestly, if you really
track engage the fans, I think they would like it to.
If it's hard to argue that they wouldn't like it.

(01:05:33):
I mean, they won't like it as a little.
Iets people just randomly dying.No.
But like, in terms of like, okay, we can get past this, if
there's a purpose to it, or if there is a, if this all means
something in the end, I don't know that make sense what I'm
saying, if the ends justify the means Florida, this but AMC
would never allow will be on tonight.

(01:05:53):
Yeah, we've cured. Oh no.
No. Yeah.
I would mean for the other shows.
Yeah. Okay.
That's why I use the word meaning because purpose implies,
in end goal meaning means. Okay, what is Silas killing with
a hook? God forbid?
Right, right. What does that mean for
everybody else? What does that do to everybody
else? And then some of that's good.

(01:06:14):
So that's bad. Who knows?
But there has to be meaning to it, not like a goal like a cure
sort of thing. Anyway, so we say this with
everybody like Glenn. Not dying 0 means the Glen
dying. That means something and means
are Gang goes a certain direction and unfortunately but
anyway so let's get to my charity say because she's gonna
say something that I think we'reall going to have to talk about
some point. That being said, Huck and Jada's

(01:06:36):
together, our totally rocking myworld.
I love them so much. They are the reason I love this
show right now, II did not like Jadis on Walking Dead but this
Jadis I like, is this her 16th or somebody or something?
I don't know. But I am digging this Jadis and
her and hugged. Other their scenes are just

(01:06:56):
really Dynamic and you just never know where either what,
you know, we're hug stands, but you just don't know where Jada
stands and I love that. Not knowing it's exciting.
It makes it fun. I'm pretty sure she's probably
gonna die by these. You think about OK?
How can Jada's I happen to agree.
I had written it in my notes. I said you know what, as much as

(01:07:17):
I don't like this. Fuckery those to work really,
really well together. Don't you think?
Yes. Yeah, I am like I am just like
I'm Pins and needles every time I see Huck and Jada's together,
like this intricate game of chess between the two of them.
Like this one makes a move and then that one makes a move.
But like, it just, oh, yes. Unfortunately, I do agree.

(01:07:38):
I think we may say goodbye to Jada's by the end of the season.
I don't know what to think. I'll be really, really honest
with you. And I'll tell you why, because
there is a scene that we have not yet seen in this series,
that feels like it's going to betime flashback of Janus in some
sort of Dorothy it. Okay.
When she's Under the Tent in a tent and she turns around.

(01:07:59):
Yeah, yeah. And a lot of people are
speculating that she is. Addressing General Beale in this
one. I'm not sure.
I don't, I doubt it. I feel like they are going to
keep be able to the chest to thevest, either all the way till
the very end or, or in the movies.
I feel like they're not ready for that casting yet, or with
some sort of thing. It's like a script written for

(01:08:19):
the movies yet. Have they done anything besides
throw it out into the world, like, talk about it.
I believe. There's a script.
Okay alright. Oh that was that makes me feel a
little Bellman. Yeah I mean they can't have been
developing this for over a year.I mean they must have had we've
been hearing about these movies for like four years, maybe
longer. I just don't maybe even
something. We've been developing it for

(01:08:40):
this long. It doesn't make sense to me.
And I also like, I don't know interms of all the plot points
between all the other Walking Dead Universe shows and then
trying to factor all of that into the movies.
Ultimately, I don't know what this is going to be.
So I have to imagine that there is a script That is constantly
being revised. I mean, if you've ever heard of
the story of DieHard DieHard script was it only had like a

(01:09:03):
couple of pages and they kept writing it as the movie was
filming. Yeah.
I can see this being sort of thesame way rewriting rewriting
rewriting to adjust for the greater universe but then you
have the chief content officer and being involved, you know,
and Scott gimple. So he knows where all the plot
points supposed to hit, I do like the interplay between Jadis
and Huck. I do on a watcher level, it's
good to see them work together. On the other hand, there is

(01:09:25):
thing that bothers me about it in that I feel like Jadis is
playing Hawk the entire time. Like she almost basically admits
it. She says, yeah, I wanted you to
do this. I wanted an excuse to do the
thing we already knew about which leads hook to ask y'all.
See you were testing me again. You both you and my mom had been
testing me for what for what loyalty?
Right to loyalty test. Hmm right.

(01:09:48):
The initial test with Kubrick was just to remind everybody the
help her allowing hope to be Thrust out to the wild.
To see if Jennifer would stop her didn't.
And there you go she cut the restraints for a from Barca
Walker borrowed. Empty barca to attack Lila and I
did you did feel her kind of saywhat would you say?

(01:10:08):
Janice what you want me to because I saw like a duck in
that moment. Go I'm cool with doing bad to do
good but what good does this do?Yeah really though really?
Right well yeah no I mean we know that Lila and Dr. Abbott
were a team working on this secret project.

(01:10:29):
So I guess I was assuming Lila and Leo would also be a team but
that's not how it's playing out.I think on that one too because
I wrote in my notes I wrote thisin my notes before I figured it
out I said you know Jade is she's a good egg like in my head
I'm like because because he or she is he's laying out this like
really interesting gravel like for them to walk on, you know

(01:10:52):
what, Leo we've had are falling outs, right?
You know you violated the 16 times, I didn't give your
interrogator. There's a lot that's been
happening here. Lila, showed me this.
You brought back the sample, like, we know things have
happened, but you know what? Let's bygones.
Be bygones. Let's start from scratch, I'm
gonna give you back Felix. You're feeling mr.
Carlucci your security detail here, your daughter's.
I know they were involved with here.

(01:11:13):
You know what? They're fine, everybody's cool
Lila's. Even cool cool.
Everybody's awesome. We're gonna let you guys
continue working on the thing but will block.
All right. I wrote my notes really quickly.
I said, you know, maybe she's a she's a good egg, you know, it's
like I'd seen the Episode already but even then I was just
kind of like this seems awfully odd you know, like that she's
shocked. She must be on our side turns
out later. You know when when in fact and I

(01:11:34):
really do think of General Bealesees that there's a result with
this whole lack of reanimation project I think General be able
to go okay well this changes everything fine.
Okay maybe this could work. This whole thing that we thought
of eight years ago, maybe this can actually work, but seeing
that it doesn't, she gotta go. And so, it's genius because I
thought to myself whatever happened to Just one right

(01:11:57):
Negan, just one to make an example and I went down the list
of people that Jade is, could have taken out that just one to
get Leo motivated and I thought Felix and I was like, okay,
whatever I thought the kids in that, but what is the just one
lie? Lila, the just one is that why
does that make sense? It's exactly what you were
saying. It's almost exactly like what

(01:12:18):
you're saying about Dennis. Well she is the weakest.
Well hey she says it herself I'moff to find weak links.
Dude to dude. To do and true to form.
The weakest link is Lila, she's not a direct family member
Fields Carlucci's they let one of the last remaining people
from campus Colony but she doesn't know, maybe she doesn't
know that Leo looks at him like a son, you know, hmm, but enough

(01:12:40):
so that if she had even deigned to touch any of any of those
kids Leah would most likely be revoked, but Lila having lied to
him having concealed her, you know, you know, she went to
Kubrick right talking about yourdaughter.
Did she He acts surprised he hashis face of shock.
And we know it's acting though because he knows, because Lila

(01:13:02):
told him, she went to all, whichI thought was brilliant.
I did a double take Emily, you are good Leo, but what else is
he rolling sighs about? When it comes to Huck?
But it rolling. His eyes at Huck?
Is that is that acting? Yeah, yeah I wonder I really
wonder. I like the part where hot
questions him about where peoplewere and Leos like Felix was
with you remember? Oh yeah, yeah, it was with Huck.

(01:13:24):
Yeah, I'm Patron. I think I It was an act.
I had a thought about this like olya, you drop the ball, you
said loved not love mmm-hmm and me that maybe he was planting
seeds for Lila to get the ultimately, get killed too.
And it worked. Wait, like, if you li, are you
saying videos wanted to get? Leila killed.

(01:13:44):
Not killed. Now, I don't think he wanted in
trouble. I don't think anything would
have happened to her. Yeah, but I think he knows that
when you get in trouble with theCRM, that means your life.
I mean, could they be It could mean your life but I think he's
even heard Lila say oh you and me or to expand our not
Expendable you know so maybe he thought okay defrayed a little

(01:14:07):
bit and maybe he didn't think that they would kill her.
Maybe still doesn't know she's killed who knows oh she's been
recalled indefinitely. Oh Lila, why do women say?
She went went somewhere instead of or more accurately reassigned
somewhere because she wouldn't just leave.
But if I say we three titles somewhere else.

(01:14:28):
Yeah. But you know what Leila said?
The same thing about dr. Abbott.
Oh he went back to Portland, allthose families.
Hmm. Same goes for Leo.
But Leo, Leo. As far as we know, still doesn't
know the truth about Abbott though.
He might still think, you know, I can pour Portland but he will
be right. What about ladies about?
Unless unless they liquidate that Walker.
I mean he did the ruse is still going but the footage is still

(01:14:51):
there. I mean there's still footage of
what they recorded. Dr. Abbott He does know the
truth anyway because if Portlandis on The Chopping Block anyway,
I think he's kind of put together.
He's going to have to find that out.
They're going to have to tell him.
Right? Well may I guess maybe they
don't have to tell him. Oh, you know what she tells the
girls? She tells the girls.
Oh, he was threatening to exposethem.
So they all know the story. Uh-huh.

(01:15:13):
So it doesn't matter. Yeah.
They'll tell girls know that he was threatened to expose them.
Yeah, we got a lot. This episode.
Didn't we cool. Oh, I really liked the line that
that Jada's give delivers to Leo.
And she Asks him are you motivated?
It's not enough just to force him to do the work she wants
him? I don't know.
Maybe I enter want this. Yes, thank you.

(01:15:34):
Maybe I just record. It is strangely, but she wants
him to want this. Not just work under duress but
actually want results or you know, like are you motivated to
do the? I just thought that was a really
interesting line. It wasn't about.
We're going to make you do this.It was we want you to want this
much. Like Dennis says to Silas.
Yeah. Yes.

(01:15:55):
Then maybe maybe we have all theproof.
We need to know that Janice might be one of those.
Good soldiers. That Silas mentions.
You're one of the good ones. Have a good.
Which I like I love hearing thatbecause it reflects what Hutto?
What hope says about the generalCR.
There's got to be good people here.
They're scientists. Yep.
They're not culpable. They're, they're in a shut up,

(01:16:16):
Iris. They're not all a Dennis.
And and so to Silas is point. There must be there must be good
CRM soldiers. It's a stretch.
I know it's whatever but that's what Silas says.
I'd be willing to say, most of the soldiers are good people
because they are just following orders.
They're not making these decisions, they're doing what

(01:16:38):
they're told time with. That one, I'm really having a
hard time with that one. I mean, if this is the only
option to survive you're going to do it, right?
Because that means do this or die.
It does go to science though. And even, so like let's talk,
Stanley, Milgram experiment. Parent the peddling influence,
the idea of the appeal to Authority, but then even going

(01:17:00):
further than that, there's influencing General human
nature. There are these debates about
Free Will. How much free how much free will
do? We actually have the jury's out,
you don't have free will. Alright, its predetermined.
Write and I wrote the third degree, the IRS gives to Lila,
I'm like shut up Iris. Like the lylas options were shut
up and do your job or be killed.Of course.

(01:17:22):
She's going to shut up and do her job.
Yeah. To bark this point.
Like if you look at barca's, be sure that he gets the glory of
this episode blood and lies thatline blood and lies comes from
barca's lips just as he's about to get killed.
Hey, congrats to Al Calderon. You know he comes back and he
comes back in a blaze of glory, then he gets some that the best

(01:17:43):
line of it because the whole thing is about admissions like,
okay, we only have one life, we got to make it count.
This is like the original tag line of the series to got to
make it count. Elton really kind of gets this
one too. He gets this point because he
Say this, you know, we if I onlyhave one life, I want to see
before I go, I want to see this the world as it is before I go
or maybe before we fix it. I don't know why I want to see

(01:18:03):
it for what it is before. We maybe everything goes back to
normal, even I am stretching because it's clearly not going
that way the whole thing that Barker really says, and I love
again, I love the Symmetry between he and Dennis.
We're Dennis kind of goes back to the soldier to being the
soldier bark. It goes the other way.
Barca takes his individual that and individualism back he goes.
I see this for what it is. I see It's going on here.

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You guys meant well at one pointbut didn't take a lot to go
another way. This this reminds me a lot, a
lot and I paid close attention to this because my family came
from Syria that my family were Jewish refugees seeking
political asylum in the United States.
So, when I saw the Arab Spring, I saw the same exact thing
happened. The people in my family had the
most unique insight into what happened there.

(01:18:48):
When we, when I first saw it, I saw it as really a really cool
thing chance for there to be some sort of level of do
something. Gambling democracy in the Middle
Eastern countries, rather than theocracy or autocracy.
But, like all well-meaning things that have a hard time
flourishing, they get co-opted by Bad actors.
And you we've been seeing that for the last couple of years, in
many respects, with many different movements and I don't

(01:19:10):
mean to get political or anything like that, but there
are facts on the ground that it was started as one thing and it
got corrupted and co-opted as the other thing.
So goes this whole Lab experiment.
This whole, the whole purpose ofproject voters had well-meaning,
intentions about, you know, getting a foothold into getting
things back to normal. It only takes one thing, one

(01:19:32):
person at the top with bad intentions to say, well, you
know, maybe we can do this whilewe're at it, you know, maybe we
can, you know, take out this this community here.
Maybe you can take out that Community there, maybe we can
remove the competition while we're doing the good thing, but
all that's all it takes. One person with self-interest to
fuck everything up. Fuck everything up blood and

(01:19:53):
lies. How much blood does it have to
take. To top of the whole project down
this, how much of your soul do you have to parcel off for this
to be even worth it? Because it was in my parka
saying it, what we do now matters, we've sold our future
but we do now manner matters, wewere in hell now, so everything
we do now. Counts, Lila, wake up wake up.
What you're doing right now is not working.

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You were lied to and you're still not seeing the truth
Jasmine. Do you agree?
That Jadis might be on the chopping block.
The Jada's will die in this series.
I don't know either. I'm really not sure.
Feels like feels almost. oh, strong to brings to bring
somebody back after they begin with moms like how There is ends
and I think that's still very well yeah oh my God that's in

(01:20:34):
that a great place to be. Well let me let me ask, can I
ask a different question? Do do either of you do either of
you believe Jadis when she how she explains to Huck that she
believes in the CRM. Does she truly believed in the
CR in the CRM and what they're doing?
I think she's just looking out for her own self-interest.
She's all on board. The CRM training as long as it

(01:20:56):
keeps benefiting her. It's like okay like Like, the
whole thing is like, oh, I just want a promotion.
I think she just genuinely just turns a blind eye to it, because
it's like, well, I've got, I'm getting food, I'm having fun,
I'm messing with people. So, as long as she's climbing
that ladder, she's okay with what's happening.
As long as she's got a full mealin her stomach and some toilet

(01:21:17):
paper. She's not too bothered.
What's going on. Okay, okay, so my next question
to that would be, don't you think that makes her a bad guy?
Turning a blind eye to the genocide?
Yeah. Well, you Jasmine.
Yeah I'm gonna go. Yeah I'm gonna say that she has
bought in. She does believe that they are

(01:21:38):
the only if if anybody they're the ones that can maybe get some
sort of foothold into everything, so she believes in
their messaging. Does that not mean that she'll
do anything within the purview of the CR to benefit herself?
Nope, she'll do whatever it takes fine.
You can still believe in that. You can walk and chew bubble gum
at the same time. I think that Janice is molded.

(01:21:58):
Got explained that a lot, she doesn't die.
Oh well, I mean is like I will, she saw all of her people die.
I think, like the whole, like, watching everything that
happened when she was with, like, the main show people, I

(01:22:19):
think that like completely was like her like villain origin
story like Morgan when Dwayne dies and now she's just
completely in this kind of mess,but she just needs like
something. You just choose need to stick
and some are I think what I'm saying is I think she could come

(01:22:42):
back. Oh okay, okay, so you're saying
she's gone a certain direction and there's a chance she could
come back side of it. So Jadis is in clear mode,
right? Clear my head perversion.
Okay, okay. A guy with a go.
Okay, I like that. So then I got the question,

(01:23:04):
right? I don't know that I'm all along
with this ride, but like in yourestimation of the people on the
board, who would that be? Be of our people is it Jennifer
explain the question. Who would be as men in this
scenario? Our Janice Leo?
I mean, we hate reimburse us to get the real easy.

(01:23:27):
Maybe it's Rick, why would it's Rick?
I mean, Rick. She said, Rick Reno's Returns
the favor. Hmm.
Well, so let me let me expand the what I was saying before.
I do think she believes in the cause I think she will DJ

(01:23:48):
dissing kind of like me, gettingright?
The same principle because if we're going to pretend like
there's order amongst the chaos Jadis is going to just walk
through the raindrops. You be like I know what's going
on here but I let's let's pretend like I'm on board.
Like I think she really does believe.
I think also if you think order has been restored yet you
haven't met Jadis. That's what I think because does

(01:24:09):
this is all going to go back to what?
I didn't expand on when Jadis and Silas meet.
I think the thing that we have to recognize in Silas and Jada's
meeting is that they are both clearly Outsiders.
Or they've always felt like theywill always be Outsiders.
No matter how many times Silas will meet a dentist in his life
or like a Marco voce, what does accept him kind of like his

(01:24:32):
uncle and who was also in a maintenance facility kind of
reliving redoing the past, I don't know.
The good feeling that Jade is has about Silas.
I don't know what that is at all.
That's the only reason why I linked him destroying hug is
very useful to her. Maybe that's the good feeling
for telling the feet. I don't know.
I don't want to say that's true.Let's just leave that out in The
Ether, for it to be out there inThe Ether and know.

(01:24:55):
And I don't, I'm not committed to this lat.
But what I do see is to Outsiders Silas having the
potential to be that Outsider tosee things for the way.
They are just like Jade is beingan outsider in whatever
Community. Even I think even with the
junkyard people it even though she was a person in leadership,
If she had made it up, they don't know.
The real me, those trash people don't know the real me and they
never will. I made them up.

(01:25:15):
I built them, I made them and I saw them tumble down only
person. I was real with in any capacity
was father, Gabriel, I think that's kind of sweet and I think
that that will never happen again.
Unless oops was father, Gabriel happens to show up somehow and
then, Rex her shit up or maybe he's the Eastman.
I don't know. Oh, mate.
Maybe maybe she'll find her own Grace like like Morgan. that

(01:25:39):
clear your good for people who don't watch that show, I would
just like to do old, I guess. And everything just like Jadis
and the CR. Let's kill everyone.
And everything that was Morgan'sfault into it.

(01:26:01):
I'm just clearing, the dad. That's all I'm doing.
No, I Jasmine saying the CRM could be redeemed.
Is that what you mean ever will ever own could be redeemed.
Oh Jasmine. If you fully like me, we find
some organs philosophy. Everyone could be I do feel like

(01:26:21):
that about the soldiers but I mean, Major General Beal.
It seems like he's the one calling the shots.
Oh I'm not sure about a Redemption first or steering the
ship. Yeah, stick Jasmine showing
everybody Morgan season 4, 5, whatever more in season 4 5,
whatever, I do, whatever WalkingDead Sea Morgan.

(01:26:43):
That kind of brings me to Iris and Percy.
It's Percy has his encounter. Let's talk about Percy for a
second person has his encounter with Huck and comes away
feeling. Rattled, he comes back to the
family with the plans and how can a person have this interplay
about again, both being sort of on the outside, really a little
bit, just a little bit because Percy is sort of on the inside
the irises vagina. So but you know anyway, This

(01:27:07):
topic I enjoyed please in my notes Iris pussy.
Pussy, pussy equals cringe but let me get let me get to that
first though because it seems like we give you.
We do a lot of guys and I like that.
We do a lot of cleanup and catchup at the end.
Where Huck is relaying this, thedentist Percy's relating?
This is the family round table. There, everybody seems to be now
on the same page of what's goingon throughout this entire

(01:27:29):
series. We're like, what is this for?
What is this about? What do they kill all these
people? Why is this ERM way they are?
Right now. It seems like we have at least a
very A much clearer picture of what's going on.
And now, so does everybody else except for Silas?
But now we know what, we know. Hope saying, in this family
Round Table except the scientists, we got to get them
out. There's some people here that

(01:27:51):
needs to be saved and so that's why they don't mention one of
the kids, like the students who are attending like they imply,
they imply the kids in the student.
They up there, throwing that whole thing.
Yeah, okay good. That's that's what I got out of
that. Yeah.
You think hope would leave nice and behind?
Come on, Rachel. I don't know what we did, just
find out, he's major Jill, majorbills son.
So her feelings, which is now, Icall it Mason General deal this

(01:28:14):
week. We called it a couple episodes
ago to. Yeah.
Like Mason General deal. Just like hook.
You can't choose your parents. It's true nature.
Yep. I like so much more like Mason.
I almost wonder if he's gonna, Idon't know.
Do something be a big. Be a big part later.
Maybe he's got, he's got some information in his head that we

(01:28:34):
don't know about yet. It makes me think that like we
all have this thought that Masonis going to go along with the
kids soon as hope spills, the beans about what is dead may
have wrought on her own community.
And by extension Omaha, we all seem to think that Mason is
going to cop on but what if he doesn't, what if he takes the

(01:28:54):
guilt and shame about him, not pursuing the same military track
as his dad, as an opportunity toget in line with its getting his
father's favor or his Grace's. Because we all have this need
to, please. Parents though, Sharon D is
saying Mason equals Dakota and Jasmine is emphatically.
Oh, it's agreeing. Oh, let's let's talk.

(01:29:16):
Let's so let's talk about that. Just a little bit only because
that we don't know. We don't know what's going to
happen. But but what do you--what do
you? Why do you say that Jasmine?
Do you feel like he has? You like him or is it like more
than that? Why would he be Dakota?
Well, I'm not saying Dakota like, where would I just said
Sharon D is saying that Mason islike Dakota in the sense that
he's a kid. Add that lives in proximity to

(01:29:38):
information so he he may be overhearing and really because
he's not with her. Dad.
Do we know that? Well, this is Dad live at this.
The research we have no idea. Where Major General Beal has.
We have no idea. He's in the city.
Now we do know, he's in the citydoing the this main see our
city. Yep, because the newspaper.
Well, anywhere he there at that time, he was there at that time.

(01:30:02):
The announcement was made. So say, we don't know where he's
at. Now.
He might be right. You might be right.
You're right, you might be right.
It's the safer assumption, but at the same time, we don't know.
Yeah, we don't. Well, he's, let's say where he's
not, it doesn't feel like he's at the research.
Facility. At least I mean everybody would
kind of be or we also don't knowwhat he's gonna do.
You're right. Maybe we have, maybe we have
seen him and we have no idea because we don't know who the

(01:30:24):
fuck he is. Maybe he's Leo, maybe Eli's,
Madison, maybe he may be, he's the other guy in the picture
that we saw in season one where it was Leo Abbott, Lila and
mystery, man, we haven't seen that guy.
You know, what? Know the we saw that guy in the
last episode though. So in the very Beginning.

(01:30:45):
Yeah, yeah. But we haven't seen him.
He's isn't so. Where is this guy is, he's
definitely not a chump. What is his?
Yeah, I think so. I think so.
What do you think? I don't think it's veal deals on
a scientist. He's a military guy.
Nice and makes that very clear. No, I know.
Wait, what if Bill is Dennis, Well it wouldn't be it wouldn't

(01:31:05):
be punishing himself if he were Beall right?
He wouldn't be at the culling most.
Maybe it's all part of the ruse,you know?
So he can be separated from the the CR I like I'm like, in
Charities Theory, maybe a teeth May.
So let's just end the series. Now this is because I'm not
gonna buy that. I love my wife, not if he shows

(01:31:30):
up, I will throw a brick throughmy screen.
He's has to be Somewhere. He's got to be somewhere.
What happens when Mason turns out to be?
Like a major douche bag and is like telling his dad everything
and like that's we find something new.
Yeah, we find out. He's the reason like he's been
imparting everything back. We all know General Beal side,

(01:31:51):
you'll feel like ending the showhere, says Jasmine, this is kind
of what I wanted to get to Huck in Percy.
Have this heart-to-heart resembling a heart-to-heart.
I think in One breath, she admits she but he knows
obviously but she's gives him the details.
This is the exact thing that happened.
It's not as if I took the wrenchand beat your uncle's face in

(01:32:14):
repeatedly until he died at least gave him the Mercy.
Mercy killing. But he deserved, you know.
Okay, that's, that's what I got out of it.
Did you feel that the same way? No, I know I shot him first.
Oh, you think you do feel that? No, because I thought like
that's, that's a, that's a little bit of a consequence of
like, okay, Small Potatoes, but like to me, I think if that was
me, Percy, I'd feel a little bitlike, okay, that's a bit of a

(01:32:36):
mercy. Killing what I saw was Huck
trying to get Percy to shoot her.
I know I saw that too. I saw that as well, but I also
felt like, I don't know. I felt like if I was Percy that
would be it's a cold comfort butI thought maybe it would be a
little bit of a mercy. Like, okay.
At least he wasn't beaten to death in his final man.
So if you were in Percy's position, is that, I mean, would

(01:32:59):
that little bit of a difference mean anything to you?
I mean, the result is still the same.
No, I'll say this much, like, I feel like every in this moment
where she could do, I feel like every little bit counts but
ultimately, no, you're right. I do feel like she was trying
to, at least, if this is how I'mgoing to go.
No more blood and lies. Yeah, no more no more.

(01:33:20):
I did this because I believed insomething, and now I'm here to
tell you, I don't believe in that something.
And then she tells him, I did this because I thought the
things that we were doing mattered, it turns out that was
all bullshit. And I See Uncle.
Now I'm going to tell you exactly how I did it to your
uncle. So that you understand that I'm
not a monster, I didn't beat himto death with rage in my face.

(01:33:41):
But I also did it because they told me that this is ultimately,
we can't let anything happen. We can't let anybody inside, we
can't let strangers be on the inside and wreck our projects,
but it turns out, here's what that project is.
And here's why it's bullshit, and then I want you and if it
means you kill me now fine, but I want you to know so that you
can tell the kids. You could tell everybody back

(01:34:02):
home. Exactly.
What's going on. You're going to do Do what you
got to do, if it means I died, but then she says, she says
carefully. She says, I want you to pull
that trigger, but I know that ifyou do, you won't live and I
don't want that for you. Yeah.
And I thought that was very cooland then take that and you
relate that back to Iris and he having pillow talk but you know
the fact is they're not Fighterslike what it's a bit and like

(01:34:25):
but I wanted to see you again. Hmm.
That's why I wanted to see you Iris sucks.
Yeah yeah I agree. I concur, I wanted to read what
Sharon D had said about the Way Huck is talking to Percy.
Yeah she says I love the calm tone she uses when she's talking
someone down like in general butthis time we see her it was more
depressed and sad than that, youknow.

(01:34:46):
Cool Suave Huck that we know it was it was her really feeling
this. I think, you know, or cold even
like yeah like we've seen Huck'sjust know like this shut off
like when Percy is like yeah. Like when you killed my uncle
she goes. Hmm.
Yeah, you know, like she kind ofjust turned everything off but
yet this was more of an In this was yeah.
I like that. I like that a lot.
Yeah. But going to the pillow-talk

(01:35:08):
scene with Iris and Percy. I think this is the first time
this is I hate to admit. This is the first time I feel
like Percy is now conning. I'm late to the party on this
one because the question has been asked why or I don't know
you guys haven't asked yet but why does Percy still not kill
Huck even after it has all the information and I thought it
makes sense because Huck is telling the truth, he knows when

(01:35:31):
somebody's telling the truth andif he does kill iron In This
Moment, he will die and a he will die.
Never having a relay the information to all the other
people, but he'll just die and he doesn't want to die.
I don't think that's what he wants.
He's not in it for the Reds, he's in it for the
self-preservation. So now he's in bed with Iris and
there's this pillow talk about, you know, all the fighters this

(01:35:51):
is so dumb and he goes, I don't want to leave.
I want to go, I don't want you to go but blah and I'm thinking
to myself, okay. He's now I feel like he's an
ally himself with his best chance of surviving.
It feels weird, something. Feels off.
I don't know if you guys feel the same way or do you feel like
now? He genuinely has feelings for
Iris and now I'm the one who thinks it's a con.

(01:36:11):
I know. I can't honestly I can't ever
really really tell with Percy. I mean, yeah, I think I do think
he likes Iris. I've always thought he liked you
do. I've always have, I'm not sure.
Now, I've always thought he liked, I like genuinely like
Cyrus. Yes, I do think he does.
I feel like, okay, I'll say thisand then I'm done with that
whole thing. I feel like it may be true that

(01:36:33):
he no longer Wants to seek revenge against Huck because he
feels like that is to the con istoo big.
This is like Houdini's. This would be Houdini's greatest
trick. If I can get in there, kill Huck
and get out. I'd be better than Houdini.
I'm not maybe just like the message of this episode
something that Dennis says, yeah.
Tennis has this the Silas you got to learn to let sometimes

(01:36:53):
you gotta learn to let shit go and that's why he was also.
Dennis was also very good symmetry for Leila.
Leila is whole raison d'etre wassimilar to Ed Gein from damage
on the inside. Side, which we did mention its I
have to be able to recreate the circumstances that led to the
demise of my family in order to get a win.
It just want to get the eight years later.
Still haven't gotten it, but Dennis says it very clearly.

(01:37:16):
Sometimes you just gotta learn to let shit go.
Gotta learn to let the shit go and then we go back to Percy.
Maybe he has maybe he's let go of his uncle and now it's just
about getting it the fuck out and maybe he's attaching himself
to the Ben has because that's his best way.
Yeah, maybe he can. How Reckless irises rage is

(01:37:37):
being. Yeah he sees and was useful.
Yeah, he sees what path? He could go down.
If he lets the rage that he's feeling over his uncle and what
he's feeling towards Huck, if helets that take him over, he's
gonna be acting and behaving just like irises right now and
he's seeing how Reckless that is.
So maybe he's learning. This is why him saying, what he
says about. I don't want to take, I don't
want enough. People have died.

(01:37:57):
I don't want my actions to be responsible for your father's
death. Your sisters that your brother,
your brother's death I think that is somewhat genuine but
that so then. Okay, but he said the thing out
loud, if he knows all this in, she's he seeing her being very
and he still going along with irises ride.
Well then there's a darker purpose here or he's using her.

(01:38:19):
Who's Felix is technically theirbrother?
Yeah, the bennets brother and brother because he's practically
at Leo's adopted, son, and answer and hope she and hope, he
and hope have that conversation about him being there, brother.
So I'm yeah. So act like it.
Exactly, exactly. So we're on the same page as far

(01:38:39):
as Percy goes, like now it's a lot more clear that it's a lot
more clear that things don't make sense, but that's where I'm
at right now. That's that's how I feel.
What do you feel Jasmine versus x 2.
Okay. She doesn't care because I find
I'm not sure what Lil Sebastian has been reference to but she

(01:39:00):
was in reference to The Walking Dead Mason maybe well.
When I hear when I hear the Commonwealth, when I hear little
Sebastian, I think of parks and rec, I think she's I'm being
serious, it might have somethingto do with Parks and Rec Lil
Sebastian, but the seeing how far Mason see Mason.
Yeah, that's what you're referring to Sebastian from the
Commonwealth as Mason chuckling,you know, parallel.

(01:39:23):
Oh. Oh, okay.
Sorry. That Sebastian, hadn't even
entered into my mind because they haven't technically
cytometer on the show. Okay?
Yeah. But she was seeing how far he
was willing to go. Is a reference to Huck and Percy
there, that recovers Nation. Huck was trying to see how far
Percy was willing to go when shewas pushing telling him.
That's the gun I shot you with and did it.

(01:39:45):
You know, she was poking him. Oh, that kind of poking the
bear. But even charity is saying
something that I had said previously, previously, which
was going back and watching us one.
He really does show interest because he, she saw him as
someone worth saving. And the person that he thought
he could be this hero, or this courageous person, that he could
be something that he never thought he could be a while.
He was with his uncle the, you know, solely fair.

(01:40:06):
So, but I'm now I'm in a position where I don't feel that
way. I don't, I don't know how to
feel about this because he's seen the writing on the wall
with Iris. She's saying they're not
Fighters. Why are we why are we wasting
our time and taking that big of a risk to take these people to
to evacuate these people from the CR before we blow the shit
up? So, iris is basically saying the

(01:40:28):
only people in the world who have value are people who can
fight no. But she is saying something that
you said. Is the thing that matters most
you had said on several occasions.
Rachel that when it comes to like family?
That's Paramount. I all iris is basically saying
is we're wasting our energy and our time and our blood on people
that don't matter to us. Personally.

(01:40:50):
Okay. If it means art my family dies
because we're saving these otherpeople.
Well, fuck that. And that's that's where I feel
like we're you and Iris would agree.
Only be based on previous conversations if that were the
if that were the case I would Agree.
But Herschel said, it best. I mean, anybody could die at any
moment, so you need to decide what's worth that risk.

(01:41:10):
And oh, you know, if rescuing these people in my opinion
doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to get yourself
killed or you're going to get your family killed and who's to
say that these people don't havea little bit of fighting skill,
if it came down to survival, I think everyone would learn real
quick. How to stab another person in
the head. What I saw.

(01:41:31):
Spaghetti spaghetti, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays.
Is this everyone's? Oh yeah.
Yeah, you're giving the me response to what I know is the
way you genuinely feel, but, youknow, but you have to give that
response. I respect that I respect that.
She's mangling what you would normally say.
She's not, she's not explicitly saying, if it means my family,

(01:41:53):
or these people, I'm choosing myfamily, I'm choosing the people,
I love in my tight-knit circle, but there's also we know we've
seen the other episodes. It's not just about my family,
it's about killing them. Em.
And that's why I said this and say this publicly, I said this
in our chat and our Discord at Koh Phi, Phi dot coms, that's
going to know. So in our Discord, I had said

(01:42:13):
after watching this episode, I said that something feels off
with Iris to me in that. There must be some bit of
information that we didn't know.Now, the thing that I
specifically said, but it might not be the case but I just want
to throw it out there. What if Iris had actually seen
the moment where her mother dieslike they see Emilio Ortiz,
shoot Mother, I forget her mother's name, their mother's

(01:42:36):
name, hope and iris's mother. Oh my God.
Forget, if we write, this was one of those rare White Elk
appearances of her name. No, you're not going to
remember. It was said once and never
scary, does it carry Harry, fuckoff.
So, whatever her mother's name is, I'm kidding.
I'm kidding. I remember the to carry Bennett,
placard on her grace, the plaque, right?
That was the only way we could have seen, right?
That's the only thing. So, what if hope, what if Iris

(01:42:58):
had been there and she's repressing the blame that this
blame that she may have. Have of hope.
She knows everything, but she wants to milk it.
She wants. I hope to finally admit it or
maybe she's repressed it or something.
Now, it doesn't have to be that thing, but maybe there must be
something about Iris that is making her do this because it's
it can't just be about purpose. It can't just be about the thing

(01:43:20):
about taking down the CR. It's too big.
There must be something that's motivating.
Her. Something personal something
very closer. I'm not saying, I know what that
is. I'm not saying, because it could
be one of those things that like, oh, little did we know all
this time? Something had happened to her.
That makes her feel like she needs to kill somebody or kill a
whole organization that would dare hurt other people or Leo or

(01:43:41):
anybody that she loves. And now I'm saying all this just
kind of put it out there for so that when we see it will be like
oh Dave is right? And if you like what you heard.
Okay, no I'm and show. No, I wouldn't, we're getting
there. Okay, we're almost done.
No, no, I was kidding. I'm kidding really wrapping up
just saying because I'm almost embarrassed saying this out loud

(01:44:03):
because you guys look At me, very crazily.
Not now, I'm saying when I said this like, that doesn't make
sense because she doesn't know we didn't see her as shit, see
it? But we, there's a lot happening
in that night, the sky fell. There was a lot happening, so
you don't know, you don't reallyknow.
It could be Madison, Madison killed.
It wasn't Emilio Ortiz at all. Anyway, all right, let's keep
going. I had a theory that maybe they

(01:44:25):
had taken out Omaha and campus colony because they needed
massive amounts of test subjectsfor whatever they were working
on. That wasn't entirely true but
I'm gonna claim It because I didsay that they needed lots of
Tesla. Does it may not be the ultimate
end for the CRM but that's the closest I've gotten to get
anything. Right?
So I'm claiming that one. I'm glad she brought this up
good, because then it Go dovetails nicely to our

(01:44:47):
conversation about Percy. But regarding what she says
right here. We discovered though, that all
of this, all these test subjectswere bullshit in this episode
there, it's all bullshit. It's all to take out the
colonies. All its there's no Alliance.
Alliance is bullshit. They never wanted to get, they
just want to see what the competition was.
That's all He's dead. No yeah yeah.
But the whole purpose of gettinginto an alliance was to see the

(01:45:08):
competition. The excuse is massive amounts of
test subjects. So you are right charity,
Madison being my general Bill fits with Portland, big in
Texas, because Mason's from Portland, I didn't think it was
relevant enough to bring up in the in the actual podcast but
you know, now my gears are turning.

(01:45:29):
Yeah, I hate that my gears are turning our day isn't real.
It hurts. My brain hurts my brain.
When my Gears turn that hard like Matt.
Yeah, Madison was in Texas. And then if she's major bill in
the Portland, Texas area that, but then, but then I'll make you
sent my father wanting me to be in the military and then my
father, my father, my father. Where is Madison face?

(01:45:50):
It's a zipper suit. Maybe if y'all listen is a
stepmom. There you go.
Punched Padre. She is pacis the father and
father. We just wrapped everything up.
It's just No more podcasting. This, these shows are over we
just wrapped everything up in a bow.
Like find love and whatever his God is and then they light rays

(01:46:14):
Mason and I'm going to butcher with Sharon.
He says, just now Madison. You are the Padre.
No. But going back to what charity
says like. I think Charities she's Loosely,
right? But mostly wrong.
At the end of the day. Because at the end of the
episode, we find out the test, subjects were bullshit.
If they end up bearing results, it's just incidental.
It's like, oh we don't think this vote is thing is gonna

(01:46:37):
work, but let's kill a bunch of people.
You know, this is A whole purpose.
We're just trying to kill a bunch of people, but anyway, I'm
kind of starting to like Percy alittle bit more.
I still hate him in irons, but Ithink that has more to do with
Iris than what Percy, he's really not a bad guy.
He could have still killed Huck but you know, he chose the big
picture and I like, I like that.He's doing it.
You see how we're going in different ways?

(01:46:58):
Yeah, but still, I'm the night. I kind of onboard with what
Sharon, he just said, not even kind of I'm totally on board
with what? Sure.
He just said, like, I okay, my whole reason for not liking
Percy in the beginning, was Whathe was honing in on Iris, which
was my girl Silas, you know. That was Silas is girl.
And so I didn't like Percy but now I hate Iris so much that
ship has sailed well. Well, I hate Iris.

(01:47:20):
So much that I don't even want Silas to waste his time with
her. So now, I want Percy and Silas
to to you, nobody off and just hate Iris together.
Oh, they both of uncles that have passed.
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I'll be, you know, it's
never gonna happen. No, I say that because it just,
I don't know. Everybody's like with Percy

(01:47:41):
Silas and he's like, hey big guy, you know.
They're they're chummy with eachother.
I don't know how I get really how Silas feels about Percy, but
I think Percy like Silas. I don't know.
I guess the general thing about Percy being.
So it's so into Iris. It just now, it seems at this
point. It seems fishy.
Well, it's them. What do you feel about Percy
though? Oh okay.

(01:48:04):
Hmm. I love how we're start suddenly
starting to change. We're both were all completely
changing our position. Ins, but he's not, he's better
than Iris but worse than Mason kind of thing.
Wow, but that's that is like thetwo extremes though because you
love Mason and you hate Aires. So like if if basically he's
everybody it makes sense like a Ted and Iris is like a woman on

(01:48:26):
the likeability scale. Percy's like a five where does
Hulk palelei that scale? Oops, 7:00.
Okay. So she's better than I can ever
see to 100. Yeah.
Okay. Hopes.
My favorite character. I think on this show really
Yeah, Felix is my favorite. I like Elton identify with Elton
most. I think I respect Elton most but

(01:48:47):
I think as far as somebody who'shad the most adversity and most
Triumph and then makes the rightsomewhat wise decisions as a
result of that and then stackingthem up against Alton.
I don't know I just have a good Affinity.
A better affinity for hope I think.
I know it's weird but still hey look how That Shook out with
just standing here appreciating the fact that we're all feeling
a differently about Percy than we felt in the last Episode

(01:49:09):
completely, that's a good commentary on the show.
I think what you don't know what's going to happen next in
general. But then you completely feel a
different way about about a character in The Next Episode.
I think that's just remarkable. Vote is vot u.s. you know POTUS
president of the United States. What is votives via victory over
night? Cyrus the United States?
Weird name. Sorry, I couldn't be there.

(01:49:31):
I love you guys. You're here with us.
You're right there now. Go right there.
I see you. I see you voters.
It comes from the Latin word vowor promise.
Hmm so that's that's interesting.
When I edit it I started laughing hysterically.
Now I don't have that in me right now but but but no, it
was, it was so funny. It's like voters poet is Victor

(01:49:52):
and victory. There's like what Victor strand
of the United States but like I think also like, you know, it's
funny but it's also like, okay, well I guess it's their way of
capturing the country I guess, being the only one there, but
vote is in Latin. Does mean vowed or promised or
devoted to? So So you know, I wrote in
capital letters I said, studyingreanimation stopping it, it's a

(01:50:13):
foothold into the future so it'sa promise, there's a promise for
the future but it could also be loyalty, you know.
It could be, it has nothing to do with the future.
Has everything to do with loyalty.
You are loyal to the Civic Republic.
Everybody else is dead living ordead?
Everybody outside the project but this is also what makes me
gets me to think about Jadis again because like you said that

(01:50:33):
that conversation between she and Leo is not unimportant.
Leo goes I'm doing this for what's left.
Ever. It is that I love this choice of
words because he basically is the response to Lila what is
left. If you've parceled off all your
soul, I'm just holding on to whatever is left of that.
And also responds to the Barka Barka, you're right now that

(01:50:54):
we've sold our soul so much. Let's just take care of what's
left. Let's leave something better
behind to our children than whatwe wrought today.
So, I like that responds, but then Jadis comes back and she
goes like a True Believer which makes me think what the fuck?
It's about life doctor. Like I wrote this all down which
gets me like is he/she bullshitting, Leo not being very

(01:51:17):
honest about it. Is she trying to get him to
believe in this vote as project?You know, meanwhile on the
backend Huck is this is why I don't think jayde is purposely
driving hook into I or, I don't know.
I it doesn't seem like it doesn't make sense to me, unless
she really is like, 34 Dean chasing like, okay, I know she
has a relationship with Leo. I know Jennifer Malik has a
relationship with Leo. Let's pretend like, I'm sending

(01:51:38):
Leo. To the further into the vote is
project, while I work on the backend to get Jennifer Malik
AKA Huck. That's her real name in the back
end, to try to get Dennis involved in to try to get it.
So that now, everybody's on the same page, I want them to know
everything that's going on. Are you motivated?
Yeah, I'm motivated. But then on the back and he
knows all the truth. So he's not motivated.
He knows the bullet. The all is bullshit.

(01:52:00):
So I'm like thinking to myself motivated, but it for what path,
you know. He doesn't have to laugh, right?
Right. Yeah.
The, the question really lies inthe fact that is Ada's like
super like, like a super genius 4D chasing this whole thing.
That's the big question of the day.
That's the whole purpose of thisepisode is Jadis a super fucking

(01:52:20):
genius and she orchestrates thiswhole concerto on behalf of this
whole taking down the CR ultimately right?
I'm inclined am doing everythingby the end of this episode.
I know, I'm still caught. I'm still caught.
It's about life doctor. It's about life versus death,
you know? And that doesn't mean that some
people are LED along the way, which is code, could be code.

(01:52:42):
I don't know if she's spying on everybody else and getting their
exact quotes to relay to Lila later.
Yeah, the eventually the rat gets tired Lila then who's
spying on her and Dinah the question 2.
Yeah. So of course, she's going to say
all the right things in the moment while working on the back
end was making. Jennifer tell everybody the
truth. This is what makes me crazy, but

(01:53:03):
it's genius because it really gets your fucking wheels
turning. Doesn't it kind of seemed?
No. I mean, There's proof of the
opposite please tell me, but doesn't it kind of seemed like
wild Jadis? Is there?
She's in charge of everything because Kubrick's gone and she
told Lila, she even says she has.
She has latitude in the military.
Yeah. Makes me think that there's

(01:53:24):
there, isn't anyone spying on her directly but that she is to
report to someone obviously, butI don't think she's being spied
on the way she's spying on everyone else, possibly, right?
But then we go back to Corporal Pierce, right?
Yeah, man. That's true too.
Yeah, yeah. So there may be all, like, The
Whispers, someone's always watching.

(01:53:46):
Maybe what about if Jesus is just orchestrating this entire
situation? Not because she thinks that
someone spying on her, but instead she wants to like fuel
them to like get them so far until they mess up and she stops
them and she captures them and she's like, I'm the hero give me
my promotion. Oh boy, that's the other way.

(01:54:08):
That is Definitely the other way.
Dang. Yeah.
So it's so she's basically orchestrating a modern-day Witch
Hunt. So she's like if we make setting
a fire so she can put it out. Yeah, she's got that hero
complex, which could be, I wouldhate for this to be true but it
could be a repeat of what she did to Dennis and Jennifer in a

(01:54:29):
sense. Like maybe, well, maybe she
didn't set that up, though, right?
It was just an opportunity that she jumped on potentially.
Yeah, shouldn't make Don string know, maybe that was just a
bonus. Right, like the fact that he
drank, you know, it was a bonus but like what?
Well yeah, I mean what if we find out that it was all
orchestrated by her and it was the rat race.
And that the whole thing was purposeful as, and not only

(01:54:50):
that, but Jade has orchestrated the whole thing.
You know, let's give him something to do.
Oh man, this is bullshit. Yeah, I don't know which one I
like better than what I do, I doenjoy the thought that Jadis is
a Super Genius. Like in terms of just just
pulling up all the moves like all knowing the whole board for
what it is. And maybe General BL is perfect.
Lee well-intentioned, maybe Jadis is the mat is the big bad

(01:55:12):
too, period. Period.
Period, exclamation point and then vegetable come be rude.
No, he still can't be but but itdoes relative but you know what
the funny thing is, if that is the case, it relegates General,
be able to being completely unimportant, which is I'm
actually fine with because it makes us look in One Direction.

(01:55:34):
This person that we this mysteryperson, we have no idea about
when we should have been lookingat Jadis that.
Is genius, then we don't have togive a shit who General be Liz
but meanwhile, we all have thesewild theories about owe him
being Gregor him. Be him being have any importance
at all. Genius, genius.
I'll now, I like now, I like this in Genesis, the big bad
Theory and what if JD says Madison?

(01:55:56):
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