IT: Welcome To Derry |SERIES PREMIERE| The Pilot

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It is based on Bangor very loosely though.
What city? Do Bangor.
That's how they call it Bangor. Bangor.
I used to call it Bangor and they call it Bangor.
They're going to love when I inevitably do.
My pet cemetery voice. Dad of Mana, they're.
Going to love it. They're going to love it because

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I'm going to overdo that a lot, I feel like.

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We are squawking dead, a podcastpulverizing programs beyond The
Walking Dead universe. Sometimes we give you news,
sometimes we make you laugh. Most times we go deep.
See, it's ordinary. I'm your girl's David Cameo and
I'm joined by me. Cosmo Mom, 09.
OK, I'm Bridget. No one cares.

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You can find me at at. No one at.
No one cares, NA. At gmail.com where all my trash
mail goes. I'm Rob at Rob stuff and things.
You found me on TikTok. Well, what are we here to talk
to you about? Well, it happens to be it.
Welcome to Dairy, the title of this series which which we're

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calling Squawking Dairy behind the scenes Discord.
It's not the title you came up with, Dave.
No, it's not not at all dead. What?
What did I call? It welcome to squawk.
Squawking. Still tickles me.
It was an. Idiotic.
We're squawking to dairy, which is that is all right.

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Squawking to dairy like we're just squawking all the way to
dairy like little ducks. Like I don't know why this is
little. Ducks, they quack.
So like this is not even accurate.
God forbid they quack. But OK.
They squawk. Anyway.
Dave's got bird blindness. Yeah.
I can't. I just can't see birds.
I can't hear them either. I'm literally crying right now.

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We do have a little bit of housekeeping.
We added a design to our nouveaumerch store at
squawkingdead.com. Hit the main menu, choose by
merch and you choose the new merch sign and you will be
presented with one of our collections which is the Kirk
Manley Comic Book art collectionof which it has the same things
as the other collections aside from a couple more things which

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are matte posters 2 stretch canvas prints, 1 is a thick
canvas, 1 is a thin canvas, as well as a framed matte poster
art which costs a little extra 'cause they do the framing for
you and there are three types offrames you can choose from.
I highly agreement you at least check them out because there are
two types of designs. The embroidered design shows up
on quite a few things because the regular print design, it's

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OK, but doesn't work with everything.
And that is really cool because it's just us.
It's just Sharon D, Rachel, Daveand Bridget.
And the Squawking Dead logo thatKirk had made on several
embroidered designs, especially the hats.
I have a lot of energy, and I think all of you do too, because
if you saw what we saw, I think I'm pretty excited to talk about
this goddamn thing. She's excited to talk.

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Rachel's more excited than anything.
Let's start with the title name.It's called Pilot.
What do you think? Do you think the title has to do
with this episode? I mean.
There was a pilot there. Was a pilot.
Exactly. Yeah, Mr. Leroy Cat Major.
Major. Don't get it right, Dave.

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Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get it at first.
I thought, oh, it's the pilot. I'm busy trying to get this all
done before we got on here. I'm like, well, it's the pilot.
Obviously it's the pilot. OK, fine.
It's it's the pilot. It was just a bad joke, Dave.
It's. Just a bad joke that I had and
then like. That's what they're doing.
The copy editor is like, you gotit.
Yeah, exactly. You get to the end of the

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episode, you're not laughing. Joke's on you, audience.
We killed half of the people, allegedly.
We don't know for sure. We killed half the people you
grew to love on this episode alone.
Oh, they're dead. I didn't love them.
There aren't. What?
Let's talk about that. For a minute to let go.
If you're in the Stephen King universe, you got to let your
feelings go about these people, Dave, 'cause if.

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You learned that on The Walking Dead universe.
This is worse. The photo with all the greyed
out people by the end of it. King is worse.
Yeah, Dad is bad off. Yeah.
Before we get into this, I have a question.
Do you like old it or new IT better?
Great question. Ask the audience.
I feel like we got to talk aboutit.

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I like the new movies better because it appeals to me more,
but I like Tim Curry more. It's a give and.
Take fair take. Yeah, it is.
But it might be nostalgia talking but I just like the Tim
Curry and everything he does really.
I've actually been wanting to watch Rocky Hard lately so.
He had a moment for 20 years, basically 70s to 90s.

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Me. I it's the old series.
I don't care about the new. I do.
It's great, but it's like nostalgia porn.
I I'm affected by it, the virus.I mean, TTV miniseries, of
course. Absolutely.
I mean, that's, that was my childhood right there.
Every weekend. Family Video rented it OK our
hands down. Oh, absolutely horrifying.
John Ritter. I mean.

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That's horrifying but OK. I've grown told like.
Yeah, yeah. The miniseries, like I grew up
with it with my dad and we wouldwatch it, but I was terrified of
it until I was like 1213 and that's when I started to love
it. Oh, you got the same age as my
cousins. We made them it.
Scarred me for life. Oh.
It, terrified, defied me. I mean, this is where my fear of
clown stems from. Yeah, mine too.

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I was one of those weird kids. I loved being scared.
I. Hated being scared.
And if I could invite my friendsover and scare them, even
better. OK, I have a soft spot for old
Stephen King Media. I don't care what anyone has to
say about this 'cause you're wrong if you don't agree with
me. I know what she's gonna say.
Maximum OverDrive is a perfect movie.
I don't care what you say. Come on, you're wrong if you

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don't agree it's so good. Went up too far.
OK, it's not perfect. It's perfect.
It's good. I mean, you can say it's come
on, it's perfect. Let's fight.
OK. And Stephen King directed it and
everyone's and then he and then he wasn't allowed to direct
anymore. And I'm like, that's a travesty.
No, because if it's a perfect movie, you don't want to overdo
it. Oh.
That's true. You don't OverDrive.
It it's all downhill from there.You made the.

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Langoliers TV movie after that and that is arguably way worse.
Bronson so. Yeah, I love that.
No ones arguing that I loved. Anglers but the ending was
horrible. But yeah, I was especially for
like really bad TV movie versions of it.
I watched the Anglers, loved it,talked about it for years
afterwards. Even though it's it's horrible,

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I do enjoy it thoroughly. That's perfect movie.
To be honest, even the book was strange.
I loved The Shining, the TV one.They came out in the same.
Late 90s. With the kids, that was.
Great breather, kid. It was like mouth is ever open.
I'm obsessed. It was so good.
It was so good and so bad but socreepy and I'm.

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Touching at points too. And I was so easily scared as a
kid, well into like my teen years.
So anything like that, even though it was like Made for TVI
was like terrified. That was my experience with
horror movies because I refused to watch other ones until I got
into high school. I watched it in high school.
That was the first time I watched it.
I was scared of clowns. Before that I had seen clips
from it or had or it had come on.

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My babysitters were very irresponsible because at one
point here I am watching Scamperthe Penguin and it turns off and
Friday the 13th is on and they're both passed out because
they were drunk and so spoiler. So I'm just sitting there
crying, screaming and no one cares.
I couldn't watch shore movies for a really long time, but

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while I love one of my favorite lines, I'll yell at least once a
week. This is battery acid.
It kills me. It's it's perfection but the new
ones did something to me. They are horrifying.
It skips the foreplay. It's like basically, whereas the
old TV miniseries was like all. What kind of eased you in?

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There's no lemon to it. So much build up and there and
then, like, was that what we're supposed to be?
I mean, yeah, yeah. When you're a kid, it's like,
yeah, it's scary. Tim Curry talked about the two
degree. He's like, well, 'cause he's.
It's goofy. And Seth Green's yelling this is
battery acid, which is also ridiculous.
And you can laugh about that. So like, those are funny things

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that you're like, oh, that took me.
Oh, thank God, took me out of itfor a minute, huh?
I'm fine. My heart can calm down.
Whereas the new ones, they're scary and actually Travis and I
just rewatched them like a couple weeks ago, not in
preparation for this at all, just happened just for fun.
They're good, even like watchingthem again Which.
Probably better. For new horror, not really a

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thing in my opinion. It's not rewatchable to me.
We were just watching Scream. I can watch that movie every
year and like notice new things.This is like so good.
But like new horror movies, it'slike, oh, OK, well, I watched
them once. I'm like over it.
I think I favor the new ones more.
I think we're tied. It's 2:00 and 2:00.
I'm ashamed of myself, just let me make that clear.
I know the new ones are really really good and more accurate to

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the books too, but tell me that The Goonies is a great movie and
I'll be like, well I should be judging myself, but still.
Also nostalgia porn, but then Empire records, no?
Nostalgia all day. Falls apart.
I'm gonna I will defend a terrible 90s movie.
I don't usually is my problem. It's like I'll have two
exceptions and then everything else is like I will slay my

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youth because I'm ashamed about here we are.
See, The thing is the old miniseries, to me, it wasn't bad
actually for a made for TV moviewhere you can only get away with
so much Stephen King, it's what they didn't show that was scary.
It was the old Jaws trick basically which worked.
It worked tremendously and then when they finally showed the
thing at the end, the IT right. That's when it kind of fell

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apart. Right, which they maybe they
shouldn't have, but they only showed a little bit of it
anyway, whatever props at the time, no CG.
Yeah. You you.
I'm kidding. Spoiler guy spoiler.
Literally 30 years old. OK, right at the top here.
I know the timelines are muffed up, not even kinda.

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There is no fitting this together.
You sing with the lore. Yes, like if you were comparing
this series to the miniseries orthe book, nothing is going to
line up because the miniseries, the original timeline takes
place in 1958 and then when theycome back to Derry, it's 85.
So yeah. None of this is going to track.

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So our original characters, we're watching them in 1958, and
this takes place in 1962. So if we're going to sit here
and be like, oh, Leroy Hanlon, clearly that was Mike's
grandfather. That timeline isn't going to add
up because Will who we're going to meet in the next episode, I
imagine is what, 1213? However old?
Obviously Mike, who was born in 1946, is not his.

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So it's not patterned after the books.
It's a spiritual predecessor to the movies.
Because we have, but a lot. Of nods to our characters that
we know and love. In the new movies it takes place
in 1985 and then present day in the sequel in the. 2000s.
It took that same story and justmoved it up in the timeline.
They did, so this timeline mightfit better with the new movies.

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Right, it's it's the Stephen King cinematic universe.
The new movies, yeah, I watched them, but that's it.
That's all they're getting. I'm done.
They don't even register in my brain anymore.
But I think they have to now at this point, right?
Well. I.
Think some of us are. Going together.
It obviously is because Bill Skarsgard's already signed on.
Chapter One starts in late 198888, finishes in 1989. 89.

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And then just like the Chapter 2is 27 years later in 2016,
because already it's been almost10 years since the movies were
really switches. Yeah, 2017 was the first movie.
That's insane. It came out in 2017.
Yeah, Chapter 1. Takes place the first chapter.
2017 the. First one also the. 2nd movie
takes place in 2017. 2016. Yeah, you're right. 2017 no.

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2017 came out no. The first one, dude.
The first one, so it takes placewhen it was filmed.
Oh, OK. And so we could just say present
day quote UN quote. Yeah, I I guess I didn't realize
it was that old already. Yeah, and they adjusted the
timeline, obviously, because we know Stephen King loves to write
a story that takes place in the 50s or 60s.
Oh yeah, It's like his old thing.
Who doesn't like a timeless thing too?

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It's like if a story can be adapted to modern day.
I'm a legend. I mean, he is, so let's not take
that away from him. Stephen King can do whatever he
wants. I've read.
I've read some horrible books byhim.
Yeah. Oh yes, he can.
Isn't that the point of the showis that everybody's getting away
with things? Yeah, I've read some terrible
books, he wrote. Yeah, he's not.
Everything's a banger. No, no.

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Wait, you mean Bangor? Yes, shut up.
I do, actually I mispronounced it.
Bangor yeah. Great character building.
A lot of show don't tell. The acting for kids was
phenomenal. I thought they did fantastic.
These kid. Actors, they did so, so good.

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Oh man, and. Then that ending happened.
Yeah, all those. I want to talk about that but.
I love right in the opening. We get what you expect from
Pennywise. He makes you see things, and
although we don't see Pennywise himself, we see things that
remind us of him. I would fight back on that.
Why? How?
I've had this thought building about what this town is and why

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dairy, because isn't the whole thing about Pennywise is that he
went from town to town and doingthe things?
Well, as a human, is that what you're saying?
Right. But then he settles in dairy and
well, obviously that's where hislegend continues.
But why does he settle in dairy?And is his death an accident and
all this stuff? But why did he settle on dairy?
Because that's how it was written.

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But asking questions? But why dairy?
And then you start to realize that, oh, this place is
delightfully evil. They have a veneer of well,
let's not look bad, but underneath the surface everybody
looks bad. And the few exceptions are the
ones that try to take down Pennywise or die trying, or die

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trying to live. OK, how are you arguing with my
statement though? It's not Pennywise, it's the
town, and that's a lot of Stephen King's riding.
It's the people that are bad, the monsters, just the Vadnais
manifest. OK, but that opening scene was
100% Pennywise. We see it in Ray's face when his
eye drifts. You guys will see in Maddie's

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face in the theater. Yeah, yeah.
His whole mouth becomes the buckteeth and everything too.
Uh huh. He gets the grin and.
Yeah, that's true. I guess what I'm saying is,
there's a lot of awesome. Show us Pennywise without
showing us Pennywise. Well, it in itself kind of
causes that offness throughout the town because he's living
underneath and just kind of emulating out.

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That cross eyedness, yes. Well, it's like a drifting eye.
That's a drift. That goes.
Out. Was that a feature in the books
too? Is that how he was written to
be? Because I don't remember that
was. Something Bill Skarsgard did
that's. Curry had the natural one did
that. I too, yeah.
Yeah, I think he just borrowed from I can.
I thought that was like an originally a Stephen King

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invention, but I wasn't sure actually.
Bill Skarsgard was talking abouthow Bill Hader was talking to
him on the set of the second movie.
He was like, do they do that? I think with CGI.
And he was like, oh, you mean this?
And he just did it. So he can just do that.
OK, Can I just, I need to dwell on this for a minute because not
this particularly, but that whole family, the.

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Skarsgard. They have another.
One I know. Right Stellan and all of them,
Every single of them talented individuals.
Have you seen Murderbot on AppleTV Plus?
I would want to talk about that.It's insane.
No, but I've seen True Blood. There you oh, she's like rewind,
play, rewind, play. I get it.

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I've never seen it, but I know it.
It's porn for millennials, basically.
It has such a good story. Even though I know.
I watch it for the storyline you.
Come for the building, you stay for the pile.
Driving what? Horny lady wrote this.
Gross. Oh, right.
Thank you. So gross.
All right. Enough about the stars.

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Guards. That's a tough one to say.
Scars. Guards.
Guards. Scars.
Guards. Scars.
Guards. Scars.
I can't say it scars. I'm like.
I'm like El Al cathar Rachel. I heard that over again.
It's so funny. You just couldn't say it.
No, I El alcala alar. And I was like, whoa.

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Alaclasar. Who should do?
LL. But I have a problem saying
scars guards and that's it's a scandal.
S on the end. It's scars guard.
It's it's the multiple is wise. It's scars guards.
There you go, you got it. Scars.
Guardians. Why is Sharon D not here?
Well similar to our From coverage once we got to season 3

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and it was the second episode I think.
Or because it was the second episode of the 1st?
She said she was done real quick.
Right, the end of that episode where I.
Think it was the first episode. She's like, I tried, guys.
Somebody ends up getting torn upand she was like, I'm out.
I just can't watch this terror porn basically.
Obviously this is going to be a good fit.
For her, not for her. Right, right.

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Well, we we warned her and she asked to be warned about what we
she may encounter in this series.
And of course, there's that beginning scene or sequence.
After the Capital Theatre was way worse.
Than the opening, yeah. Yeah, I think for sure.
The beginning would have been worse.
You think so? Last was more implied or the
first one was more in your face.Yeah.
Very, very much in your face. Yeah, all practical prosthetics

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until the baby was out, by the way.
Which is awesome, yeah. Right, yeah, that was all CGS.
So I'm like, whoa, did it reallycome out of her?
Hoo ha. Can you imagine though?
Like, OK, you're going to reallywork for this.
OK, your actual baby is going tocome out.
Whatever, Bridget, we'll have a live birthing on this podcast.

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No. And then we'll CG it into.
No, no. Welcome to squawking.
A point my wife had asked earlier in the day, because she
watched this, the episode last night, she had fell asleep on
Sunday, was that in the beginning she was asking, was
the whole family like possessed by Pennywise or are they
Pennywise and I had to ask? Like, he can kind of just make

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you see things and feel things and make things real.
So they are him. Everyone in the car, the car
itself, like everything. I'm gonna let you guys handle
this one because we've seen examples of what they could be
too. Yeah, I'm with Rob on this one.
I think it's a complete. I don't know if I want to call
it a hallucination because I think it's it's really happening
to Maddie, but. Yeah, absolutely.

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It's all, really. There.
He's building. Like a station.
An illusion around. Twice, yes, Yeah.
Yes. It's even more pointed out by
the fact that, like, you know, they went in a straight line
away from Derry and didn't turn.All of a sudden they're heading
back in the Derry, right? So cool.
And we also know from the lore it's a movie, a book that
Pennywise will use the people who he's taken into his Dead

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Lights or whatever it is. That's true, yeah.
So the family could well have been killed by him, basically.
In real and killed. Yeah, at least the children.
Right. That's exactly what I was
thinking. As you were saying, I was like,
well, at least the children and the and the parents are like
this caricature version of what the kids are probably imagining
them to be or the harsh version of them or whatnot.

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The dead giveaway that all of them are Pennywise.
Even just the interaction between the sister and the
brother in the backseat, that like switch so quickly that
she's like so angry. And then when her mom's like be
nice, she's like, I am being nice.
Like, that's Pennywise. When I wanted to.
I knew the second she dipped herfinger in the.
Liver. Liver blind.

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Liver. And I was like, who just has?
Packed that. Liver.
Liver out and I'm like that's a disgusting.
Liver. Well, she took it out of
someone, so you know it's fresh.And I love that they packed it
and then also labeled it. Yeah, Pennywise is this label,
Is it organized? I don't want to leave anything
to the imagination, I want you to know exactly what's in this

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container. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to say
this. You're going to think I'm crazy,
but I'll say it again because I'm going to repeat it over and
over again. It's like the show don't tell
part of this, this show, which is incredible.
I think that to a degree, yes, of course it's Pennywise.
It's creating illusion for Maddie to make him scared so
that he can get captured by, I'msure.
But I think there's an element of this is how these people

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really were, which is why Pennywise is attracted to this
stays or exists or persists in dairy.
They just showed this veneer of a family that was well adjusted
in normal and ordinary. How?
Every family is. And I think that's the argument
you can make for any part of this story.
It doesn't matter what form of media you're watching or reading
it in. The whole point of this is

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people do have a dark side or can have a dark side, and
they're usually pretty good at hiding it.
It's this whole cyclical thing where you're like, OK, well what
came first? The Pennywise or the fact that
dairy is messed up but Pennywiseis under the city literally
seeping all of this evil into It's like through.
The pipes. So I don't think it really

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matters what started here. It doesn't matter.
Excuse me, that's the central question of this.
Lord, I'm so engrossed in the notion that is it Pennywise or
is it dairy? And I'm I, I'm leaning more on
the dairy scale, but I, but I really want to know what you
think. I mean it's too early to tell
for this series, but it is tied to the movies so.

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Oh no, it's Pennywise. But.
I'm inclined to say Dairy came first and then sort of trapped
Pennywise there. Obviously this was a perfect
spot for him, and now he feeds off the fear that he causes and
creates. And I say that because Dairy is
brought up in several other books of Kings, and it's not

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always about Pennywise. Sometimes it's only in reference
to the city. Something terrible happened in
Derry. Nuclear fallout.
A lot of horrible stuff has happened there.
Yeah, not always because of Pennywise, yes.
There are. Oh, did you hear about that
crazy clown that the kids are seeing in Derry?
That does come up in other books, but other times it's just

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I read a book and someone's husband died in a car accident
in Derry. Doesn't it imply that like all
the big disasters that happen every 27 years or so were caused
by Pennywise doing what he does,they just didn't know that it
was him? Yeah, yeah.
And everybody forgets because everybody wants to forget.
That's the other thing, the veneer.

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They have to keep up the appearances.
Very much of the time. That's true.
I think it was probably, as Daveis saying, that extreme to the
point where Pennywise was then feeding off of that and making
it worse. Absolutely.
That's it. That's it, Rob.
That's what I'm saying. Like everybody what you're
saying, Bridget, everybody to a degree is like this.
But in dairy, it's like this constant in your face.

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The people there take it too far.
Pennywise encourages it, and it's this hyper exaggeration of
who we really are, which again, I'm going to say this out loud
so that you don't have to. This is very unlike me to
someone who believes that peopleare inherently good in this
town. Everybody's inherently or
encouraged to be their most worst self.
Well, King is pretty ham fisted sometimes, and this is one of

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those. Just one of.
Those moments, But the show doesit really, really well, even
though it's repetitive. I do have a brief list for you
of like the big bad things that have happened.
And and Derrick the cover up. So there's the Kitchener
Ironworks explosion in 19 O 6. It killed 102 people.
There's obviously the child disappearances obviously having

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to do with. Things right?
Other tragedies include the 1929Bradley Gang massacre, a 1930
fire at the Black Spot Quote UN quote Officers Club, and a 1962
event where a mutant baby was born.
Which is, yeah, there you go. Wow.
Hence the theme. Was the Ironworks explosion the

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one they described that happenedon Easter?
Yeah, yes. OK, Yeah.
Was it just that? Month they were at an Easter egg
hunt. Yeah, and a bunch of people grew
up in a kids head and up in a tree.
It's 102 people, including 88 children.
Oh, it's why it's Pennywise. He wanted all those children.
Was that in the show to this theepisode we just watched?
Or was that in the book where itwas technically 27 years prior

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to this basically? That was described in the first
movie. OK.
So then it follows that time pushed back forward, forward
timeline, OK. So that would be like 27 years
ago, right? Yes, that would be before this
series. It states it's it happened in
1906. There you go.
OK, OK. So way before.
Yeah, Stephen King Cinematic Universe.

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When he kills Maddie in the car.Like they didn't make it overtly
like super graphic. They just, you know, the hit
happens and the Binky flies out the window, which this poor kid
just has an oral fixation and was like attached to his Binky.
Obviously he's bullied for that and stuff like that.
That's why he was a target. And obviously he's shunned by
his family or likes to run away from his home and stuff like
that. Or worse.
Well yeah, because he's got the like 2 black eyes.

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So you're like, is this from school or is this from a home I
got? Neighbor from.
Home I did. Too, Because he just wanted to
be anywhere but Barry. And I I also thought the
pacifier fixation was more of anArrested Development symptom for
Maddie. That was his comfort.
That was his safe place. Kids at school, I'm sure they

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bullied him for it. He knew well enough to like take
it out. So I think probably he was
keeping it hidden during the day.
I would guess at school maybe like going to the bathroom to
use it in moments of need, but when he's in the car, he waits
until the last possible horrificsecond to put it in his mouth to
like try to self soothe, which makes it even worse.
The kid actors in this are phenomenal because he has these

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facial expressions throughout that you're like, you can tell
that he's nervous and that he's thinking about grabbing it, but
he doesn't want to embarrass himself in front of these
people. He doesn't know.
And it's all done through facialexpression.
There's no dialogue. I don't need to be hit over the
head with a hammer to know that that's what's happening.
He just does it with his face. And for a child, that's
incredible. And his body, he's climbing up

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the back of the seat too, a little bit.
As soon as he does self soothe is when they all turn and decide
that's what he dies. And that's what killed him, was
doing what everybody else does in this town in this terrifying
situation. I'm so afraid of looking bad
that I'll hold back on the thingthat I actually need the most
currently. If we're talking about Maddie,

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we can stay on Maddie for a minute.
I don't know if this was a deliberate thing.
I don't know if he got directionon this.
The character doesn't have a stutter.
Quite a few times where he, while he was delivering his
lines, sort of did. Like mumble dish.
A. Little bit kind of tripped over
his words. Yes, but to me it sounded enough

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like a stutter that it reminded me of Bill Bro.
Den bro, the writer. Georgie's older brother, right,
had a stutter in the miniseries and I was like, oh, I wonder if
that was deliberate. He hasn't in the movies too.
I did. I don't remember.
I told you I watched him and they're gone.
I did because when he comes backand he's an adult when he's very
nervous and also because he's back in Derry, starts to stutter

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again. OK.
Not super frequently, just like intense situations.
All the sudden you'll hear him kind of start to stutter again
even though he had who did. Bill Hader play.
Richie Tozer. Richie, which I love.
The little mustache on Phil, which kind of reminded me of
Richie Tozer in the miniseries. In the miniseries.
Yeah, these characters had a little piece of all of these

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characters. I think it was meant to Connor
bring to recollection. Yeah, like exactly these
similarities there being like the one girl.
In the beginning, Maddie stutterMaddie can represent Georgie who
went missing Bill with the stuttering.
Yeah. And what are they doing at the
end of the show, which is kind of like the subversion of
expectations. It's like, oh, these kids are

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meant to. Oh.
They're going to be. I was like, oh, these are the
kids. We're going to follow we.
Forgot. You forgot that that's not how
this happens, which is amazing. Really, Hook, you went into
loving these characters very quickly and.
Do we know for sure that these two, that they're we don't, OK.
Because I got to tell you, I really love Phil and Ted.

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Phil and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
Did we uncover a subplot? Especially Phil, He brought such
wonderful humor to this episode.I laughed every place I needed
to in this episode. Well, that's that's the.
Interesting part every single time.
And it's it's written very similarly to the new movies,
obviously, because it's meant totie in.

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But that style of writing with those like quick quips between
the kids, we talked about the miniseries had such levity and
the movies felt so much heavier.There are moments of levity in
the movies. And you see it here in this
series. It's already starting these
moments of levity where they kind of give you that like, I
can breathe for a second. Boobs.

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Yeah. Why is he wearing a mustache?
Is she checking us out? What are you talking about?
Like all these like, really crazy weird, like little goofy
kind of lines. So it's the same style of
writing. And it does give you like a
break, but the tension is so heavy otherwise that it doesn't
even feel like you received thatbreak.
It's like a very fine line that they're kind of walking.

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The more they can make us laugh,the more they can terrify us.
The farther you go One Direction, the farther you can
go the other. And in a sense, it goes a little
bit meta because the whole themeof the show is what really
happens beneath the surfaces. Pennywise, but also people's
true self. And then they do the same thing
with the characters themselves. They lull you into a distracted

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sleep until they give you the end of the episode.
And it's like, what is this horror show that I forgot was
actually what happened that I'm watching?
Lily, by the way, first of all, a you want to talk about child
acting? She was the most impressive to
me. Her look and her acting choices
were just haunting. Even her trying to make the
happy face in front of the mirror was, I mean, not creepy

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in the sense like, who's this creepy?
I don't like it. No, it was creepy to watch her
try knowing full well that she'snot OK to borrow abridism.
And then all throughout it's just this tragedy poor for her.
And then the reward that you or she gets at the end of the
episode is Susie's hand still inher hand and she was trying to
save her. Susie was a little interesting

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in that final scene. She even seemed super scared
when she was under the seats trying to get to Lily.
She was like, hey Lily, I'm overhere.
Like she almost seemed like she thought it was a game.
Susie was terrified and I'm HOI think Lily was kind of like she
looked a little. More.
Because, you know, she was stillin her chair when this was all
happening. Yeah.
Well, she when they're under the.
Chairs, Susie looked like it almost seemed like it was over.

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I think it was intentional to give you the thought, like, oh,
OK, maybe this is over now. And then all of a sudden it's
really not over at all. I just pulled up the actors
because I wanted to keep all thekids straight.
They don't have any other attributing roles that I'm aware
of. But Teddy's last name is yours.
I didn't put that together. Oh yeah, that's Stanley's uncle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'd imagine his brother

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is Stanley's dad. See, I didn't assume all Jews
were related. In a small town they would be so
sorry. Mostly we're point 0.2% of the
world's population and people think we're everywhere.
And you're running every day. That's what I've heard.
I wanted to ask Dave, what was your take on like that

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interaction at home? Oh, I took a lot away from that.
OK, because as soon as it started, I was like James gonna
want to say about. This not too much.
Very. Excited for our for the lesson I
knew we would receive this evening.
Well, and you wouldn't get too much out of it, but it does tell
you what night it is. It is Friday night because it's
Arab, the eve of Shabbat. So you know that's what's

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happening. You're getting into the weekend.
Now we do, because you told us. Exactly.
They're doing the key douche forbringing in the Shabbat dinner,
which is the blessing on the wine and also the blessing on
the bread. What you do to set the table for
Shabbat? The thing they were missing in
between. This guy's a rabbi.
He should know better. He is.
He's like, he is. He is a rabbi, Urus.
Yeah. The thing they missed in between

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the blessing on the wine and theblessing on the bread was the
washing of the hands before eating the bread.
The blessing of the washing of the hands before the bread,
which is very important, by the way.
Is that done at the table? No, you have to do it at the
same with the picture. Skipped it.
I know that's what I was gonna say afterwards, but bonus
points. What you're supposed to do at
the end of the meal is at the table you do what's called mime

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aharonim, which means it's the water to dip your hands in
afterwards to wash your hands after the meal, which is said
without a blessing. Well, to be fair, we didn't see
the end of the meal, so maybe they did.
Well, I think he was sent to hisroom without the Shabbat dinner.
Seems like at that point he. Pointed at his bowl like you're
right, yeah. You're right.
And which goes with the theme ofthis episode, which is again,

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like you made me mad. I yelled at you for your crying
out for help, which is like a common theme with these kids.
And then they pretend like nothing happened.
That's crazy. So I kind of want to talk about
the question that Teddy asks hisdad and the response that his
dad gives him and he talks aboutwe've seen real horrors.
He was asking a real question about real life, but his dad was

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probably under the impression that it was something he read in
a comic book, which is why he got so upset.
He doesn't clarify why he's asking.
OK, because we know as viewers, but if his dad knew he was
asking a legitimate question like could my friend be in the
sewers right now, he may not have had that reaction because
of all the horrible things that he has probably seen or heard

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about or knows that has happened.
Yeah, I think on top. Against my own question.
What's really interesting about this dynamic, too, is that the
kids, Teddy and Phil, they didn't hang out with Maddie who?
Were paid to. They were paid to.
Candy's not money, David. Attend a birthday party.
I mean now Teddy is like eaten up by this.

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Later, he feels like he could have done more and maybe this
wouldn't have happened had he actually tried to befriend him
and. Just like Lily.
That guilt is eating away at him.
Yeah, same thing with Lily. But the oddest part of it is
like the parents are probably totally unfazed that this kid
went missing or is like ruled dead because they're like, well
my kid didn't hang out with him so it doesn't matter.

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Right. That was that kid they don't
think. About It's not my kid.
And so often, and this is what Imentioned in our Discord when
Dave was like, should we cover the show?
1 of the things I said is that King does a really good job of
really showcasing how little parents can sometimes pay
attention or listen to their ownchildren.
Your kids really going through something, but you're totally
oblivious to it and you're thinkhe's just reading too many comic

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books because obviously Stephen King went through something like
this in his childhood because hebrings this up a lot.
This is like a frequent theme inhis writings.
The birth of latchkey kids. That whole era grew up behind a
locked door without supervision.Same.
Yeah. So was I.
Child abandonment effectively. I'm younger than you guys, so
like, I shouldn't have been a latchkey kid.

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It was like no longer as frequent of a thing, but I
definitely was because there just wasn't anybody to watch us.
Parents did not notice when certain things were going on in
kids lives and now we have the opposite problem, don't we?
No, actually, Dave, what I was going to tell you.
What I was? Going to say is like from my.
They watched it for Reddit. From my own personal experience
dealing with families and parents, I see a lot of parents

(35:55):
who are willing to kind of blow over things and say like, well,
my kids too young to know what that means or my kids too young
to really feel that. And I've tried to tell them from
like personal experience, trust me, they know what's happening
and they're feeling it wholeheartedly.
And whether or not they're goingto be able to verbalize that in
a couple years and retain that information doesn't matter
because the damage will already be done.

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They don't understand what they're feeling, but they're
feeling it. Precisely.
And they don't have the emotional wherewithal to process
it on their own. So it can be even more damaging
and it can be something little for a kid.
It's they don't have anything else to compare it to.
Trauma is like very relative. It is very much still a theme in
our world, despite moving. Away from latchkey 2 concepts

(36:39):
that are not mutually exclusive,but in some senses they are.
They'll get over it. And also child abandonment.
Yeah. Which, Yeah, they'll get over
it. They'll be OK, right?
Those two things. They'll be all right.
It's fine. We have a system.
It wasn't complete abandonment. No, but there's still a lot of
that mentality of like, just getup and rub some dirt in it,
shake it off. There's very much that that

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still exists. I just find it funny the more we
think about it because the exactopposite thing isn't good
either. Is that maybe?
Well, to a certain extent, humans are resilient, but in
another extent, they're not. There's a middle ground in there
somewhere. You just kind of fuck it.
Right. They're not made of glass, but
they can break. The coal isn't always going to
turn into a diamond, folks. Sometimes it's a tumor that sits

(37:21):
in your gut and then you get cancer and die.
All right. Great parenting, folks.
Let's talk more about Major Leroy Hanlon and Paul Russo and
what we maybe think is going on on the adult side of this whole
series. I don't think it's going to be
quite as important as the kids storyline, but I don't know, I

(37:45):
feel like it's got to tie together somehow, right?
I'd imagine so dealing with like.
What would be the point in showing it if it didn't?
The impetus of the adult part ofit is what the kids are going
through as well, which is that theme of the Red Scare, the Cold
War, and how they could get us at any time.
The Russians with their supposedwith their new, well no, it
wasn't imagined, it was real, but it was the scare of them

(38:08):
launching a nuclear attack and we doing the same.
And Derry AFB being the tip of the spear and the self
importance that's running through Derry Air Force Base
currently. Geographically, Maine is not
near Russia. You were corrected in this
episode. They said you just fly over the
Arctic and you're there in Russia.
You get 7 hour flight that way. I was like just.

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Over the North Pole, into Moscow.
That's right. OK.
Is that true? Let's find out.
No, I was like, I don't know if that's correct, but OK.
Well, it is the way you would get there from Maine.
I mean, if we were in California, you could go the.
Other or Alaska you just. You know, or from Alaska,
Alaska's very. Alaska's very close to Russia.

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That's why I was like, wait, Maine's on the other side of the
country. But yeah, I guess if you did fly
over the North Pole, it would. I never really think about that
because I'm looking at a map being shorter left to right.
That's the route I took to get to Japan in the summer.
I mean, we, we went over the North Pole.
It's easy. That's so.
Weird. It is weird.
Of course it's weird. So.
Weird you never think about thatbecause you look at a map you're
going left to. Right, left to right, guys.

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I can't get down by going up. What?
That doesn't make sense. Oh, I can't even think.
That's like sending me into a panic and I can't even think
about that. Well, for the longest time, the
way they showed the world in olden times when we didn't know
if it was round or flat, but we assumed a couple things, is they
showed it from the point of viewfrom the North Pole, is that
that's the view that you got splayed out that way rather than

(39:32):
left to right. Everybody listen, I understand
what you're saying, Rachel. It's like, but you just can't
wrap your head around it becauseindoctrination, no.
I'm glad you guys were here to help my brain work that out.
So I was like, wait a minute. Guys, the world is flat.
I always think of the world as arisk board.
Yeah, exactly. They did specifically talk about

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the the special project. They got to come back to that.
I have 0 theories, 0 speculation.
I have no idea. Maybe a missile.
OK, I'm going to dip my toe intoa little Easter egg here.
When the kids are on their bicycles on their way to the
theater at the end, we see a couple of businesses in the
background. One of those businesses.

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Was the Arrowhead Hotel and I didn't know this so I had to
look it up and I wanted to know what the correlation was between
Arrowhead and the Stephen King universe.
Turns out the Arrowhead Project,it was in the midst and it was a
portal that the military opened up, releasing the mist and these

(40:34):
horrific creatures that ultimately killed people.
We also saw Nan's Luncheon, but that was just a cute little nod,
nothing too serious. 2. Castle Rock Nan's Luncheon is
someplace that just kind of popsup in the in the universe, just
sort of spring up, nothing significant.
Something that pops us. Castle Rock.
Needful things, yeah, but the Arrowhead project I thought was

(40:57):
fitting, especially considering on the Air Force Base they have
a special project. That we may or may not actually
know about, right. And even then what I was getting
to earlier about, because even Phil points it out when he's at
the is it a lighthouse that they're sort of obs deck is
their kids obs deck? Yeah, it's a lighthouse.
So you see the base calling. It a lighthouse.
Yeah. Is it the Castle Rock

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Lighthouse? Just kidding.
Is it from Bury? Castle Rock Entertainment.
Castle Rock's its own city. Yeah, no, I know.
But Phil, I think he's late for school and he's documenting all
the planes that are coming to the Air Force Base, that all the
C130's, as he rightfully points out, he's not crazy, just like
everybody else isn't crazy that there are a lot of soldiers
coming in from all over the country to serve Dario Air Force

(41:39):
Base. And there is the Red Scare and
there's all that stuff. But then you get to what we
wanted to get to, which was thatwhole thing at the end.
I think ultimately the three or four soldiers that were in
basically Fallout suits. Yeah, essentially, yeah.
There was 3 intruders in there. OK, that was a wonky scene.
Yeah. Can we all agree?
Wonky Because I just want to skip to the end of it.

(42:02):
Let me ask this question first before I go to the obvious
thing. Was all of that real?
Was that the people? No, I do think it was real.
OK, pretty sure it was real, yeah.
Yeah, I thought it was real. Very much reminded me of that
episode of Doctor Who. Are you my mommy?
Are you My mommy? What?
Do you think, doctor, are you mymommy?
I'm the doctor and I will be your victim this evening.

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Are you my mommy? For those who know, I thought.
It was maybe like a hazing thing.
Yeah, yeah. I was going to get to that next
like then what was it? Right.
I felt like it was like a. Felt like a hazing at first but
then I don't know they. Give us the schematics.
I was like, dude, dude just got.That was my issue with that
scene. They just left and they didn't
bother to go chase him down, didn't call nobody.

(42:44):
They just sat there. They.
Just rolled dirt in it and they left.
What? He just got there so he had one
meeting and you assume he knows the schematics for the plane
already and has them. Memorized, He was known for
flying those B52 bombers, which was new and he had to know
inside out. That was the thing of it too.
Do you remember when General Shaw was talking him up?
He was like, let me get this straight, you did this?

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There was AB 52 bombers up in Korea and all that stuff and
well, we didn't finish the job and but but he mentions it.
OK, so then I think in discussing this, is it the only
way that those four people in that room in Fallout suits, the
only way they would have known about that is if, and this is
something I was suspecting when General Shaw was being way too
nice, is if they spoke to General Shaw.

(43:26):
Chain of command, handling of information.
There is a mission oriented chain of command when it comes
to information. Well, yeah, sure.
The whole racism aspect of it that you got from the 1 soldier
I thought you put. Everybody in on it.
I just assumed Masters was one of those guys.
Oh, let's see, Masters is the isthe decoy.
He's the distraction. So that's really what it's going

(43:47):
to be because this is, again, this is also a theme for Stephen
King's writing issues with race and like, equality.
And yeah, there's a lot of it, but I think it's a red herring.
I don't think it's going to be that guy.
Well. He's the red herring master.
I don't. Think it's going to be him?
It's going to be something completely unrelated.
Wouldn't it be funny if Masters was ends up like turning his

(44:08):
righting his wrongs and then everybody's like no, don't right
your wrongs. We're we're really racist.
Man. I'm so confused guys.
What am I supposed to be? He might end up being the
unlikely ally. Yeah, like I think it has more
to do with like this guy just got brought in and he's above
me. Not like this guy is black and
he's above me, but this guy, no,I'm just saying that's what I

(44:28):
think the red herring is. I don't know.
It's very that would be very blatant and kind of like, OK,
really. Or I mean, is it going to?
Be more time period they're in and where they are.
But is it going to be more subtle like and woven through in
like a different way? Maybe it's Dick Halloran.
Say more, because he's the one driving General Shaw.
My brain just short circuited. Oh yeah, you're.

(44:50):
Saying pointing the gun at him because we don't know his voice
yet. Is that what you're?
Saying the intruders. OK, I like this.
That's more interesting. I think it would really change
the character that I think he is.
He only helped that little kid in The Shining because that kid
was white. I know, right?
I don't think. I don't think it's about.
Racer, I know exactly what Rachel's saying.
I don't think it's about racism at all.
I think they're, they're probably like spies for the

(45:11):
enemy, right? Well yeah, because racism is the
obvious thing and this is the thing about the series.
Look at Marge Lilies friend. She's making herself up.
All these glasses make my eyes look too big.
Meanwhile, the threat of nuclearfollow is a turtle.
Ted the turtle saying duck and cover.
He's trying to eat a ham sandwich through the mouth hole,
which is ridiculous. The thing we're supposed to be

(45:32):
afraid of, we're not. And the thing that we are
deathly afraid of is how we look.
And so racism is like, we don't care about being racist.
I assume this is very accurate to that time frame.
Teenagers were still teenagers. Like, they cared about boys and
girls and like, stupid stuff. You know, you just went to
school and you're like, yeah, yeah, duck and cover.
It's not ever going to happen. True, true.
Well, and then it's also reflected in the adults though,

(45:53):
at least in Derry, is that, well, these awful kids grow up
into awful adults and then do awful things or let awful things
slide, or we forget about awful things that happen to other
people's kids while we don't care about our own still.
So it's that derriere. I keep telling you it's the
derriere. He's going to make this joke so
many she. Wasn't here for that joke last

(46:13):
time. It's going to happen throughout
the whole series, yeah. He's accepted it's already.
He's already cracked it like 4 times.
He cracked it. This is the second time.
This episode is just you guys didn't hear it.
Guys, it wasn't me. And I refuse to acknowledge it.
It wasn't me. It's like, oh, just like the
people in Derry, huh? Yeah.
Bridget Yeah. Yeah, precisely.

(46:34):
Yeah. Well, going back to that scene,
the trap that you were supposed to fall into was, Whereas every
single other show is a mystery. Oh, what?
What does it really mean? What really happened that day?
No, Everything that's happening to this town is what you think
it is. It's Pennywise.
For the. That's what he wanted.

(46:56):
I know it's. Not.
That's fine shorthand, PennywiseLonghand evil.
You're wrong. Pennywise is longer than evil.
No, but it's the fact that you know the answer, right?
Isn't it, though? You know the you know the books,
you know the movies, you've seenthe movies, you're watching this
now. You know what happens at the end

(47:16):
of the film. Everything is what you think it
is. Now how did we get that's?
The part that sucks is like, nobody's going to win.
Does it suck though? We know Mike's father somehow
makes it out alive to grow up and have Mike as a kid.
So was it Mike's grandfather? I think right.
Mike's grandfather right now, but he obviously going to have
his father involved as a kid. Right, interesting times.

(47:40):
Can we bring up the references to turtles in the episode?
Obviously Bert the turtle is theDuncan cover mascot, but then
there's also the turtle on her bracelet, which says turtles are
lucky. There's a big space turtle
basically that exists outside the realm of reality that is its
natural enemy that they kind of referenced in the movies, but
they never really went into likethey do in the books.

(48:01):
And I'm wondering if they're actually going to bring that up
more. Which is like the natural totem,
basically, if we're talking about charms, because it
protects them, because it reminds me.
Of that, what is that disk? World The.
Terry Pratchett concept of like the world is like on the back of
a turtle or. What kind of?
I totally forgot about the turtle thing.
In the novel, when the kids are fighting Penny Wise, Bill gets

(48:24):
thrown through time and space inhis mind and speaks to this
turtle. Yeah.
And then when he does it again as an adult, the turtle is dead
and just an empty shell. And that's why Penny Wise is
still around. Movie series, Yeah, that's
horrifying. OK, Yeah.
So yeah, right, they touched on it visually.
Kind of, yes. Nice, Rob would not have gotten
that. I'm like the least knowledge as.

(48:44):
Soon as I saw Burt the turtles like the turtles here.
Wonderful, actually. Bring the turtle in.
There's the rocket. There's the turtle talking cover
what was 1 = 2? And then Rob's like talking
about something that goes way beyond what I that's.
Why we're like, shut up. I'm the dumb guy.
I have the dumb guy on the show,everybody he's.

(49:05):
Like there's a rocket, you see, Rachel, I don't.
Remember the name of the turtle?To my level, David.
No, Rachel's like nice of you. I see you.
I'll raise you nothing. I'm the smartest on this show.
That's how I see you. Definitely not me.
I'm saying it's this series. You might be.
Definitely not me. She says that.
Now you're going to know more than me for sure, Rachel.

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You've read way more King than Ihave.
Mainly because I find his books mooring to read.
You are reading. The wrong exhausting they're.
So long they make for great media, but Moy.
I would suggest one of his book of short stories.
Those those are. Fun.
Those get to the point a lot faster.

(49:47):
You got to sift through a lot toget to the meat of the books,
but once you get there, you're like, oh, I'm so glad I know all
of this back story about these characters because it makes the
heart of this so much better. It's like a roller coaster,
yeah. It is.
But this part. Oh, but see, I enjoyed that.

(50:08):
Sure. You know, I felt exactly the
opposite of that. Lord of the Rings, like, like of
the rings. And I was like, Oh yeah, I liked
reading that. I feel no Steve.
I'll take Stephen King over token.
Oh my God, just watching My Lordof the Rings was like reading
Stephen King. It took forever.
OK. Touché.
I love them both touché. Usually you're just wrong.

(50:28):
You're just. Wrong.
If you've ever read Typewriter to the Gods, which was Stephen
King's first published work, it was in a Playboy magazine.
That makes so much sense. Playboy used to do that.
What happened? But it's a good little short
story. If you're the chance you can
find it in his like collected edition like short stories and
stuff like that too. Wasn't that emblematic of it?
Welcome to Derry. Also.
On the surface there's all thesenew ladies, but underneath is a

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terrifying writer waiting to be discovered.
He is the evil. Rob, where do we go from here?
So we're the Pennywise to Rob. Red.
And yellow is all throughout theentire episode.
Every single scene has somethingred, something yellow in it.

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Red and yellow remind us of Pennywise.
Pennywise representing the red and the yellow representing
Georgie Innocence. The raincoat?
Yep. His yellow raincoat.
Those are the colors. We fear Fear's color is yellow
as well, yellow. Don't you know your Green
Lantern lore? And that and fear of course, is
what Pennywise eats. Socket.

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Sinastro. Touché for those who know.
I know very little about. Him.
You knew that. My husband's favorite comic book
is Green Lantern. I know.
I told him it was weird when it's interesting, right?

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In the beginning we see Maddie and he is sucking on a yellow
pacifier and he's wearing a red jacket.
The pacifier that falls into thePratt is.
Pink. No, it's.
Yellow. It's yellow.
It's yellow. Oh, is it just the color of the
atmosphere? So.
There were a couple of that and the blood.

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Yeah, there were a couple of scenes where like the coloring,
the shadows, the darkness, it was a little hard to tell.
And you might argue with me on some of these, but you will be
wrong. I.
Could have sworn though OK because I did pause it at one
point but OK fine. It might have been like a weird
shadow over it, but no, it was ayellow.
His jacket is red. We also see him later wearing a
yellow hat and his red jacket. When we meet Ronnie, she's

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sucking on 2 suckers. Those suckers are red and
yellow. Yeah, and meanwhile, the only
thing that I took away from that, even though I did spot
that, was that everybody was doing something shady.
It's a lot of smoking, going around, necking, all this stuff
and who gets yelled at but Maddie for sucking his right.
Everything bad is happening all around them.

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Nobody cares, nobody wants to speak up.
It's. Being really loud.
Compared to the people necking in front of the lady that who
could see the necking. It's not the reason he got
kicked out. He got kicked out because he's
always there sneaking into movies.
That's why he got kicked. Out which further makes my
point. Which is like, OK, the people
you should be ushering are the people smoking and necking and
making noises. And they were loud.

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To a degree, I say that only because these are the kids that
get pooped on because they actually are like minding the
the rules are actually trying tobe a natural person.
Pay for the ticket he snuck in. Smoking was not banned in
theaters. Until. 1970s suck it, shoot.
I thought, I thought it was early.

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The voluntary ban started in the70s and it wasn't until actually
like the 90s and 2000s for some states.
We also see the ushers wearing ared jacket, which is kind of, I
mean, we see a lot of yeah, I know.
But the outside of the theater, the lighting choice all
throughout this episode is a very yellow.
When we see time, Capitol Theatre is red and yellow.

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Yeah, when we see a light of anykind, it is a very, very yellow
glow. In other words, on the.
Welcome to dairy sign or the thedairy birthplace of Paul Bunyan.
That sign Dairy's in red. The lights are shining up in a
very obvious yellow. Was Babe the Blue Ox on there or
not? It wasn't right because blue,

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right? The only thing that would cut
through the red and yellow is the blue.
Which we did see a lot of. There was a lot of blue woven in
through all of this, yellow and red.
And if we know what blue means from The Walking Dead?
Innocence, hope. There was not a lot of hope in
this. The hope that kills you in the
series, yeah. Speaking of blue Phil, we see

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Phil wearing a lot of blue in this episode.
The family's car that pulls up that Maddie gets into, it's
pink. Yeah, it's a pink Cadillac.
Right. I wanted it to be yellow so bad
but it was pink. I wanted it to be Christine,
but. It wasn't that.
Would have been. That was a Ford Fury, I think it
was. I think Christine came later
though. I don't even think it was the
same time. Period.
Not much after it was like 64 ifI'm not mistaken.

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Thought yeah, I think you're right.
Yeah, I think Christine was a 60.
Four No, Dave was right. 1958 Plymouth Fury.
Plymouth Fury. Thank you.
So not a Ford Fury. The Ford Falcon was in dark
winds. That would have been really cool
if it was Christmas. So that was 72, something like
that. The pregnant mother in the front
seat. Her coat was yellow, her dress
was red, Arlene's coat was yellow, and she was wearing a

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red scarf. Arlene's the.
Liver was red. The liver was red with blood.
Her fingers were red because shetouched the blood.
The Swan did. This.
Demon baby was red because it was covered in blood it.
Was it was yellow skin yellow? I mean, it did.
Gray it. Was like jaundiced.
Did y'all notice the size changefrom the demon baby from the

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first scene? It was the last.
It was in my notes, which you can download by the.
Way they made it the size that it was on the screen so when it
came out that's how big it was yeah can.
You imagine what Maddie would have been.
Mike stepped down the screen. If you didn't watch the behind
the scenes after show they show how they filmed all that and it
was this giant baby head on a stick.
Nice. Oh OK, so like ACG?

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Here be afraid, children, and. They work good on this.
It was pretty terrifying. Good visual aid.
Oh my gosh. Imagine this is a human baby
head. Like, all right, now get all the
giggles out because come on, that's hilarious.
The very next day, Teddy is wearing a burnt orange vest,

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which I counted as red. She tried it.
I did. Well, what is orange butt?
Red and yellow mixed together and the shirt under it was
yellow. It had like a pinstripe of blue,
like little bit of. Blue And then he bit it at the
end. I keep thinking about that.
It's like it didn't happen, but it did happen.
Always in red or yellow. Oh, she.

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Lily does not wear a lick of blue.
Even her hair ribbons are yellowand red, her sweaters red, Her
dress is yellow, her pants. Are she's Pennywise, that's why
she survived. Yeah, it makes sense because
she's still really deep in her grief.
There's no hope right now for her.
Oh, none. She.
Maybe she killed her dad and sheis Pennywise.

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Well, she feels guilty, she feels responsible for his death.
But no 0 hope surrounding Lily, no blue in her costume at all.
We do see some blue in Teddy, like I said, the little
pinstripe. And then in another scene, he
has like a dark blue jacket or sweater on over a yellow

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collared shirt. It's got some like speckles on
it or something. Phil's little sister, Susie,
she's wearing red overalls and she has yellow ribbons in her
hair. Her jacket that she's wearing is
checkered with yellow, red and blue checks.
Oh, the innocent who dies, kind of like Teddy Ish.
So we don't we? Yeah, he's dead.

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OK, I'm like, can we hold out hope?
It's like Nacho just put a Band-Aid on it, I feel.
Like yes, but. They're dead.
That really sucks because I really like these characters.
I know I'm trying to tell you. We know that this show is going
to be about the Hamlin family. Yeah, that's true too.

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I just really liked Phil, honestly.
I mean, I like both of them, butPhil had that comedic edge that
I wanted to see throughout. He basically was standing for
Richie from the original. Yeah.
Yeah, they were supposed to lullyou into that too.
And of course, I liked Teddy because he wanted to believe in
Lily. Yeah, Lily desperately needed
somebody to at least say I want to believe in you.

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Not like her friend. Quote UN quote, Marge.
Very reminiscent of Beverly. Oh yeah, Lily.
Wanted to be believed in what she was going for.
You even how they filmed that last scene before things
started. A kick off they framed.
Yeah, it was Teddy and Lily in the same shot, kind of being
similar. In their despair or their grief,
they both sniffled at the same time.

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There was obviously a pairing between the two.
Didn't Beverly hear voices through the pipes also?
Sink drain. Similar in her.
Bathroom. Oh yeah.
Oh, because that's when her hairgets oh.
Oh yeah, yeah, right. She pulls it from the drain.
Worst scene. I'm going to be watching these
movies this. Sounds right.

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Teddy's also wearing a pair of yellow pants.
And then the last thing I wrote down, I couldn't even keep up.
I would fill my entire notebook if I wrote down everything that
was red, yellow, orange, and everything in between.
In this episode, Maddie's holding the baby when he appears
in the in the Music Man. The blanket is yellow that the
baby's wrapped in. I will say the light from the
lampshade was very yellow in that room, especially when was

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chasing him. Right.
Oh boy, imagine being that was horrifying.
A Jewish kid hearing about that and being like, that could have
been me. Oh gosh.
And then you see it then. His brother just opens the door
and is like, I can't believe we're.
So bad. But that's the theme of the the
show is that why are you hysterical?
Show the image of yourself as that you can handle it.

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Sweep it under the rug. Concerned it all.
No, I know that's meanwhile, like, kids are going missing,
kids are getting killed, dads are in jarring factories and.
Your little brother, he's probably like, I wish a clown
would come and take you. What?
Family life. I'm kidding.
Yeah. I'm assuming that's what Stanley

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father. That's exactly what I would say
to my brother. Yeah, so we assume that's
Stanley's dad. Yeah, the brother is most likely
Stan's dad because Teddy is Stan's uncle.
The more you look at Teddy's brother, he does kind of look
like Stanley Years, at least from the miniseries.
Especially the hair. They sell his hair exactly like
Stanley. So good.
So yeah, they did. I did.

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I mean Stanley obviously had more, at least in the
miniseries, had the slicked backbig hair, but the dad had.
In the yeah, in the movie, he's got like, it's very like Curly
and it's kind of all sitting on towards one side.
It's very 80s, but this looks similar in the way that he
styles his, which is kind of interesting.
One last thing on the red and yellow was the cinematography,

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the atmospheric element of many scenes.
People. Anything you can actually see
has that tint of red and yellow and yellowy orange in the
absence of blue, except when it pops out because of the
atmosphere. The derriere, basically.
The atmosphere. The atmosphere of the derriere.
The atmosphere. Permeating the town of Dara.

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Now you sound like Moira Rose. Yes, he does, You sound.
Like the South Park impression of that.
Short derriere on Lariat Lariat.I do want to point out just the
one face I recognized in this episode was James Remar.

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Of course, legend. There's Dad.
Oh. Very much.
Kind of like a legend in this space, really.
I know, time immemorial. Let's go through the one Easter
egg that is probably the most important because what is it
about? As traveling salesman, Professor
quote, UN quote arrives in a small, unsuspecting town of
River City, he claims that the new pool table is a telltale
sign of brewing corruption that will lead to moral decay among

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the town's youth. Hill's solution is to Save the
Children by creating a boy's marching bed for which he sells
expensive instruments and uniforms.
He plans to leave the town with the money before anyone finds
out that he doesn't know a thingabout music.
And the irony of the quote is a person warning of corruption is
the biggest con artist of all onthe towns naivete.
Now what is that if not dairy ina grand scheme is looking for

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the excuse to not look at what actually happened?
Or the excuse is the evil is what's killing the town, you're
looking the other way is what's killing the town.
Essentially, that's the music Man's premise in a nutshell.
But the town wasn't all that bad.
But technically, dairy is bad. It's a reason why the Music Man
or Pennywise comes into town. I was in the Music Man when I

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was in 7th grade. What were you, chorus?
I didn't like get a name. I was a townsperson.
Townsperson #62. Probably.
Yeah, probably. You have a good voice so I bet
you stayed out. Did you say you took up space?
Yeah, my actual character, we were Carolers.
Oh well, see, it set you on the journey to The Walking Dead.

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She gets it now. It's a.
Painful circle. Sorry, so that was dumb.
Well, more Music Man facts. The movie came out in 1962.
But it didn't come out until June.
Right. And yet, this scene takes place
in January of 1962, four months prior.
Yeah, and then they watch. Exactly.
Which again, you know, libertieswhatever smoking the movie

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theaters the. Way it happened in the Stephen
King universe. You're right.
That's how Stephen King remembers it.
Let me sing the song that Ronniefinds out in the end.
Ronnie Grogan was gonna say Gorgon.
I don't. Remember hearing her last name?
It's on IMDb. Her father, Hank Grogan is
mentioned in the show, which again, she says that they were
trying to pin Maddie's murder onHank the.

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Oh yeah, because projector operator racism.
The obvious thing is, what is the thing just.
The projector operator. He owns the theater.
Oh, he owns the theater, Yes. The prophets, etcetera.
And then the usher's trying to tell him how to run his
business. I was like, this is so
disrespectful. But then I was like, ah, it's
Stephen King racism. Racism.
Yeah. Exactly.
Yeah, I would have fired that guy.

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I was like who the hell is this?Guy, but he cares about his
theater keep kicking that he cares about the business Bridget
what I. Meant Hank.
Hank's a good guy anyway. Oh yeah, Hank's a good guy,
Sing. Your song, Yeah.
Sing your song. Sing your song.
Yeah, I'm going to break out thesong.
So, friend, either you're closing your eyes to a situation
you do not wish to acknowledge, or you're you're not aware of
the caliber of disaster indicated by the presence of a

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pool table in your community. Well, you got trouble.
The word that Ray was trying to spell in the car.
Ray whoever, if he's real or imagined, TRA and Bridget was
probably like so infuriated likeit was a lean.
TRU and I was like what an idiot.
Who's that that person in real life that had that voice, miss?
Bridget. You got trouble, my friend might

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say that any boob and take and shove a ball in a pocket, and I
call that sloth, the first big step on the road to the depths
of dead grenade, instead going into like the sliding scale of
evil. Is he?
Because it just sounds like he'sfilibustering.
Basically he's basically BS ING the town saying well one thing
leads to the other and before you know it your son's a boozing

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mobster person bilking somebody for money for losing his
gambling debts and stuff like that.
OK, well let me skip all the examples because there are many.
He calls a gentleman and a bum with a capital B and rhymes with
P. And that stands for pool, right?
Oh yeah, I remember that part, yeah.
And all week long your River City will be frit in her way.
Men will be frittering, frittering, frittering.

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Well, this is the part of the song that you actually hear in
the movie. I'm thinking of the kid in the
knickerbockers shirt tail, youngones peeking in the pool hall
window after school. You got trouble folks, right
here in River City. Trouble with a capital T, and
that rhymes with P, And that stands for pool.
But the real most important partof this is, friend, You're
either closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to
acknowledge, or you're not awareof the caliber of disaster,

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calamity indicated by the presence of a pool table in your
community. But it's Pennywise, or the evil
of the town. He was trying to blame
everything on a pool, on billiards.
It starts there. Yeah, but then it he's saying
pool will, it's the gateway drugs, all the bad.
Things. But isn't that the problem?
If you throw in a big distraction, you can pull the

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wool over people's eyes and theninto the the actual evils that
are happening right before theireyes.
I know. Literally, we're watching it
happen and. That's why the moon landing
didn't happen. Dave, do you need any more
evidence that right there? Feel like Samuel L Jackson
staring at you right now. The black snake moan.
You know, the look, the meme, the gist.

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I'm just saying, we didn't even have color television, but we
made it to the moon, OK? It's not dark winds.
You can't filibuster Bridget. Filibustering right now, anyway.
OK, that's fine. I don't really care.
About that, it goes on. So boring.
When I was up on the screen, I was like, this is not a musical
I would have watched. What would you watch?
Do you like musicals at all? 60s there wasn't much other

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media at the time. Yeah, I used to really like
musicals. I went through a phase, Reefer
Madness and musical. It's so good.
It's a hooten holler. It's it's something to watch
while stoned. It's so far I've heard it's
awesome. Oh, this is a well done musical
to begin with. There is a cool nod, obviously
the reason why it's in this production.
Remember The Maine Plymouth Rockand the Golden Rule, right?
So Maine, Oh ho, we got trouble.We're in terrible, terrible

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trouble. That game with the 15 numbered
balls is a devil's tool. Devil's tool that people say,
OK, sure, trouble. That starts with a capital T
which rhymes with P and that spells pool.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but OK, it's kinda.
Catchy. So this is funny.
OK, so let me go to the word that Marge said, OK?
I was just going to ask you whatis.
That mean what is this word ginchi?

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Oh yeah, it's Ginchi. Ginchi, I never heard of this
term really. No, not at all.
And I was like, where does this come from?
And it will surprise you where it actually comes from.
I've. Definitely heard it used.
Yeah. For real?
Yeah. I've.
Never. I'm with you.
Well, then again, I'm an immigrant person, so maybe I,
you know, I'm not a worldly person as I thought I was.

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I missed out on some keywords. Ginch.
It's a dated slang temp from the1950s for something or someone
that is the coolest, most attractive, or most impressive
meaning to be admirable for one's appearance or actions.
While primarily from the mid 20th century, the word is
sometimes revived to describe something particularly stylish
or excellent, and it comes from the Ukrainian word for

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underpants or crotch. The ginch is the crotch.
That. Can't be right.
That's 100% right. When I I kept double checking
because it didn't sound right. That doesn't sound right yet it
is. Well and what is dig but Irish?
Basically Diggum. It's from our immigrant friends.
How about that? Like you dig.

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Yeah, so Diggum is, do you understand, in Irish or Gaelic,
can't remember which, all the cool things are from immigrants.
There is a difference between Irish and Gaelic.
But it comes from Gaelic. Correct.
Gaelic is like the old language,right?
Irish is like newer, more current and more widely spoken
now and. Probably more vocabulary too.
Well, I mean, I imagine like theEnglish language, we're always

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adding words. Yeah, they were cool like that.
Don't speak old English anymore.That's why we have the word
bootylicious now. In the dictionary is what you
mean, right? Well.
Yeah, that's. Yeah, On fleek, Probably.
Maybe. Oh my God.
I don't worry. When he doesn't, it makes me
cringe. It's like when when you say like

(01:10:01):
Riz or 6-7 to Silas, it's like Ifeel like Silas in this
situation. I'm like.
OK. Well, that's how you kill that
meme. You do it back at them and they
go, oh, my parents are doing it.I'm not going to do that.
It's not cool anymore. I never sounded so old this
weekend when my niece and nephewwere going 6767 and I'm like,

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well, no, that's not where it gets bad.
It gets bad when I go. It's so dumb.
I'm like shaking one of them andgoing where does it come from?
Where does it come from? What do you?
Say. They say 7 They don't know.
Do they tell me? They don't give me an education.
They want to know where it. Comes.
From. It started from when they they
they know it's from Skimpity toilet basically because I asked
them no. No, it's not.

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No, that's not where it comes. From, but it has tangential
threads to the dumb stuff that they see basically.
Yeah, I mean, most kids probablydon't know where it comes from
because. It's just passed down.
It's a cool thing to say and if.You're just repeating.
Stuff to you? They have no idea.
I never sound like old just likethat.
Whole phase that when people were saying bye Felicia, nobody
knew where that came from eitherand I'm like what?

(01:11:03):
Well, that's because we watched the movies.
But the. Resurgence of it is wild, I
know. Right.
People are like, Bye Felicia, I'm.
Like don't do the phrase. When you don't know where it's
from, it drives me insane. No 6-7 comes from a Skriller
song about a basketball player. OK, all right, delete.
It the gesture also comes from the video from.
The video. Of him weighing the scales of 6

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or 7 or whatever and it just kind of blew up into a meme.
And yeah. And now it's funny because kids
say it. Now it's hilarious.
No idea that that's where it comes.
From I know and it's dumb but itmakes me laugh.
Silas and I researched this lastweek.
We all did dumb things. When we were that makes.
Me feel maybe they weren't as dumb as we might think that

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things are now but. They find 6/7 as funny as we
found 69. 69 at least, is funny.It's still funny it.
Is still funny. We're all feeling about it.
Don't agree they're not 100% sure my check.
In number at work. And so when I when I received

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it, I went up and I was like, because it always reminds me of
Bill and Ted, like 69, dude. Every time I see you 69 or pay
$69 or whatever, send a picture of the receipt to my friends and
we all go nice like that's. All you know what, I'm on the
train. Yeah, cuz when it when Bill and
Ted happened, I did not know what it meant and yet I still

(01:12:28):
thought it. Was Oh yeah, we all said it.
There were dudes who went on prices, right?
And that was the only number they would bet.
I'd like to bet 69 Bob so. Over my head, they thought so.
Over my head. Oh, they did it 4/20 as well.
It was hilarious. Yeah.
Yeah. For all when.
Oh yeah. Modern times or I?
Was so around. Here.

(01:12:49):
Wow touché, I did not know that.I didn't discover 4/20 was until
maybe my 20s immigrant child. Not that.
Horribly it's not. Don't blame your immigrants.
I'm going to blame my parents onthis one.
No. Just like the people of this
town. No, I live in daring.
You're a dork. Fine you.

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Have no whiz. I have the yellow ring fine.
We're all kind of dorks. There's two things that I didn't
bring up yet that I wrote down the Paul Bunyan reference.
Major Hanlon is reading the newspaper just before he's
settling in for the night. They're talking about putting up
a Paul Bunyan statue. Correct.
Which we know that statue later in the movies terrorizes Richie.

(01:13:34):
Beep beep, Richie. Yeah.
Chop chop, Richie. That was one of the Easter eggs.
This one I found online, but apparently there's a piece of
graffiti on one of the bathroom stalls.
When Lily and Marge were talkingin the stall, did you see so
blurry I couldn't catch it. OK, it's a heart, and inside it

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says Alvin Marsh. Bevy's father.
Alvin Marsh is Bev's dad. Oh weird, who would like that
guy? Well, maybe when he was younger.
Yeah, he's just like, but I forget.
What it was? Yeah, it's gross.
Your daddy's little girl, right baby?
Yeah, your daddy, your daddy's little girl, your.
Little daddy's little girl, right?

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Yeah. It's creep.
Willie's Alvin Marsh. Gross.
Good catch. And there are little things.
If the kid was named Tom, I would have pooped bricks.
And if he tried to spell MOON? I would have died.
Tom Cohen from the stand. Yeah, I would have died laughing
if he's Emma. Who?

(01:14:38):
That's because. When he started spelling like,
is this a thing? And then I like in the note
taking just I'm like, oh, sure, he's going to look.
Oh damn, it's not Tom. Obviously if he's dead he can't
be Tom Colin. So little things like this, like
wait, is that a thing? Then you 2 hours later you're
like well I'm going to be late guys, I'm taking too many notes.
Right. Juniper Hill Asylum.

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That's a recurring location where.
Lily was recovering. I also found it interesting that
she did not visit her father's grave a year later from when he
died. And what do you think that is?
Just so we can dwell on that fora minute.
I don't think it's weird. No, I just said she was still,
she's still very much in her grief.

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She blames herself for her father's death.
That's a really hard pill for a kid to swallow.
And the other thing is that her mom is right.
She didn't go through it alone. Her mom lost her husband.
It's just as hard now. She has to raise her daughter on
her own. But Stephen King has always been
really good about playing. Depending on how old you are
when you watch it, I feel like maybe changes the way that you

(01:15:40):
feel about it. Yeah, because even you saying
that. When I was younger I always
sided with the kids always. And now that I'm an adult,
sometimes I'm like, no, you're wrong.
You're being kind of a Dick. But then you remember being a
kid and also. Yeah, I do.
An adult and you're like, wait, but she's the mom and she should
know better. But he's really good at

(01:16:00):
encapsulating kind of both sidesof that, which is testament to
his writing capabilities. Honestly, I'm like, are you OK,
Stephen King? Like, are are you OK?
No. Do you see a therapist?
I'm worried. Probably his writing was his
therapy. To go to You're Rich, not
Richie, but it is Richie being the space cadet, but it's Phil
is a Richie stand in. He's wearing a space cadet

(01:16:21):
watch. First of all, he has a sort of
drawing of a Mars attacks like alien.
And then in that same shot, he'sholding a death ray.
Yeah. Mars Attacks didn't exist until
I was a kid. But I think Mars Attacks is a
take on aliens from the 60s likethe big.
Exposed. Brain aliens in bubbles.

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Yeah. Paulie and Leroy, the two
friends, obviously Major Leroy, Captain Paulie Russo.
They're kind of like Ebony and Ivory.
They're polar opposites. One's the pessimist, one's the
optimist. I think some of that's going to
come into play. We never even finished talking
about that scene with the Fallout gentlemen who are
bilking Hamlin for the specs forthe B52, the throwing the dirt

(01:17:04):
in it, and then even Paulie, it's a gun versus a pipe.
Yeah, you run off, which makes me even suspicious now of Paul.
Yeah, that's true. I didn't really think about
that. That gun might not have been
loaded either. Yeah, it might have just been a
scare tactic. Right.
And look, maybe they're going togo to sleep and report it in the
morning. Why wouldn't you report it right
now? And sound, that was my intruders

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on base. And the other thing is that it
leads me to believe that they'refrom base, because how else did
they get into an Army base? Which goes to the theme of the
show. There's no mystery here.
It is exactly what you think it is.
It's the folks that are on base.Who it is is a whole of the
story, right Rachel? It could be Dick Halloran.
There is graffiti on Teddy Uris's locker as well.
Teddy Urine sucks balls. It's a character of him with a

(01:17:48):
big a pair of scissors cutting off his winkie.
And there's a little piece of the winkie.
Yeah, you'll miss it. I saw the teddy urine.
Yeah, I didn't look at. The sax balls.
Yep, Chicken Wok by Hazel Atkinshas played as the Airman paints
a pinup wearing a devil's Cape holding a paintbrush, which I
thought was kind of interesting.It actually goes to the town.
It's the fight between creativity and the devil,

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basically. It can go either way.
It's the struggle between degeneracy and beauty.
There's imagery there that is very playful when it comes to
that, the bomber that he's painting the character on.
On submarines, they're called insignias.
It's like each submarine has a name, but then there's also some
sort of like painting that goes along with it.
Walt Disney did some of them during like the World War 2 era.

(01:18:32):
It also kind of looks like that tattoo art too of the time.
That's the Americana Sailor Jerry style traditional tattoo.
The. Traditional, yeah.
The letting out of the fart and it wasn't me after Marge and
Lily had that fallout. Bathroom stall.
Yeah, that was so weird it. Was random I.
Was like what? She's doing a random fart joke.

(01:18:53):
Right. That girl's like it wasn't me.
And she ran out. She.
Just runs away they're. Both like, yeah, it was.
Well imagine if they did say something.
She could just as easily rat. It's like mutually assured
destruction. She could easily rat them out
for what they were talking aboutin the bathroom stall.
It made me think it was somebodyhiding in one of the bathroom
stalls. There was more than one stall
and they only went into one. True, and it's like the most

(01:19:15):
rookie mistake. You have to check the other
stalls if you're going to talk about something sensitive.
They can handle also Phil talking about Lily behind her
back. You're you're yelling that she's
crazy to Teddy on the lighthouse, but it's a similar
energy. Oh, here's another cool Easter
egg. The comic book that is thrown
across the room by Teddy's father is the one he's reading

(01:19:37):
in the next frame. Flash.
Well, is it the Flash he? Throws the Flash.
He's reading Detective Comics. Right.
OK, so he throws the Flash. He's reading Detective comics.
It is the one which features Clayface.
Clayface is a villain who can change his appearance for a
period of time to be anything hewants to be.
Petty, wise and the town pretending to be something else.

(01:19:58):
I think he was. Batman's first villain.
Yeah, Clayface is from Batman. Yeah, yes, where she was
detective. Comics came from Detective
Comics. Yeah, I want to say that the
bucket full of muffins thing wassomething, but I don't know if
it was. I wanted to look it up but there
was no time. Well, he made-up a book title so
that she couldn't find it. But I think that's actually a
reference to something, but I didn't have time to check it

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out. But audience, if you know, what
if bucket full of muffins is a thing, that is actually a real
thing. And this is something that Phil
says to his sister Susie to get him off his back about the
library facts. Did you know there's over 100
books in here? Over 100.
OK. Wrap it up, Dave.
I'm working on it. I might have close to 100 books.
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