More Time Than You Know |8x05| Fear The Walking Dead

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Dealing with somebody else. Now we are sometimes give you
news sometimes and make you laugh but most times we go deep.
I'm your host David Cameo and I'm joined by Cosmic 09, Rachel
Bert, charity a.k.a. Blazin Gardener and Bridget
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KY B Ru is ET. ER we missed you goddamn it,
don't ever leave again. Today we're here to talk.
Talk about the fifth episode of Fear, The Walking Dead's eighth
and final season titled more time than you know, for the next
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Obviously, we're all sad. Am I wrong for saying that?
Oh no, it's a said I liked Gracesad.

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No, we're all sad. We're almost exactly like
Rachel, I don't know. I thought the episode was pretty
decent. I don't think anything was going
to be able to top last week's episode because last week's
episode, I really enjoyed. I was kind of like, I don't know
how this one's gonna go. As are we going to go right back
to like, how it's been before this?
But we didn't, it was kind of like, A middle ground in

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between. It wasn't as good as last
week's. I don't think but it wasn't.
As I don't want to say bad, it was a mediocre weeks prior
you're referring to the first and third essentially as they've
gone 135 the checkerboard kind of style of episodes.
Yeah. Which your thing about that we
did of the different music again.

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Yeah. So it's 135 still with at least
with the music in the title cardand it was more Ensemble
focused. Yes.
Yeah. There were more characters that
we got to see. A large.
I enjoyed honestly, the acting wasn't subpar from anyone.
I don't think. Do you think this was like a
kind of a sequel to the last one?
Do they that they pair well thatthey have a sort of symmetry to
us? It brought Morgan Story, full

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circle. Well it's like also Baby Moses
going through the same thing. Morgan did in a sense.
Not giving up on something. Yeah, she's in career mode.
Now I can clear it. She said it.
I was like it cause she comes bythat, honestly takes after all

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bad Pappy Morgan. So I say well, my favorite line
was. Yeah, why not?
Oh my God. Okay, so it's the part at the
end near the end, okay? We're strike trips Morgan and he
falls because what the no it's not a, what's I wish it was but

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he's like you won't kill me? She's like, why do you think I
can't? Laugh so hard.
I was like what it was so funny to me.
I so badly. Just wanted someone to like
shoot him in the head, not because I wanted him to like die
in that moment. But just be like yes you can.
Boom. And then he's dead serious.

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Then he wouldn't and then you have to deal with Annoying
mortgages covering. I don't God it was like skim as
for her they were like Miss and here just have right.
Hit the rail or something and British a and kill her.
See ya. That is it was really funny to

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me. I save crack me up as funny as
her retort is to that line. By the way, in a sense, maybe
you should take a timeout, basically think about why that
is, but I actually really liked it, it's like a signal to the
audience to say, well audience. Why do you think after seeing
these last two episodes of That is.
But what did you think? Rachel will go.

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I'm going left to right? According to my screen, would
you think of this episode overall having seen it only just
now? Yeah, I literally just watched
it like an hour ago. I really, really liked it.
It was like a step up from the last episode.
I cried a little, I cried a little.
I'm not gonna lie. I definitely tear it up, and it
got me up all up in my Fields. I really like Grace, and even

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though I'm still not going to admit, she's Moses real mother.
ER, I will admit that there was a connection there was or do
something there. I got it.
The first time there was something there and and it was
it was really sweet but I'm not gonna change laughing.
I mean you know there's some sort of connection it's like.

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Okay Mom but she's into small groups and quantum physics
involved, definitely not her mom.
I will also agree with Bridget. The acting was really well done
as episode 2. I don't know what's going on in
my brain or if it's just actually happening but Zoe

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Martin. Am I saying that right Marshawn?
I mean art merger. Okay.
She did really really good. Not only her dialogue but her
facial expressions the way she expressed emotion during non
dialogue was really well done partly, you know kind of what
got me in the feels. I think everybody did a really
good job in some ways sort of identify with Mo in a sense

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because you're dealing with the possible loss of a parent in a
sense. I know I'm pushing a little bit
buttons but sometimes we gravitate towards certain
characters because of our personal background and affinity
and so feeling that there's got to be something we can do,
there's got to be something we can do for mom.
You know, it doesn't really helpthat Grace specifically was
dealing with cancer and that's exactly what I lost my dad too.
So maybe I do like subconscious level.

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I don't think that it was like at the Forefront of my mind but
way to bring that up Dave. Yeah.
Thanks a good. It's a good job.
On this one way to go, way to get Rachel's my son.
My dad also died of cancer. So thanks you dick for every
time I do something like this, I'll bring up.
I tolerate you so hard. He's still have that were so.

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Do they hate you? I hate U jk.
Just kidding. I've my tools now, I have my
little signs for myself. Don't ask that question.
If you do bring up the sign Tit for Tat, I'll tell you, I don't
know. It is about Morgan that
sometimes identify what some of the things he does like
apologizing when he doesn't haveto apologize.

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Of course, it's me or I have this weird thing about sons and
fathers and relationships with sons and fathers.
I see, even just saying that gets me for some reason.
That's a lot of the reason why Ilove that character.
No II get that though, that struggle is real and the fact
that it's so realistic for what beyond the whole scribbling on
walls and all that stuff and maybe that's just an expression

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of what it feels like. Lose a child and have to deal
with it in this kind of world. But he even put that aside it.
His struggle is realistic to me more than anybody else.
Isn't she gonna lose like a fullgrown kid.
I had miscarriages. I Went Crazy Dave.
I cannot imagine what that wouldbe like as stupid as we all tend

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to think it is as dumb as we're all like oh great cleaner,
Morgan's back great, this is thething, someone clarified the
other day. His name is, he's on Tick-Tock,
his name is Cookie TWD. He's like a young guy who posts
a lot about fear, specifically right now, because it's on and
he said the other day. I just have to clear up the fact
that we have not seen clear Morgan since Walking Dead.

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Yeah. Season three, I want to say but
it feels like it's so somehow. It still feels like it's over
done because it became such a meme because it became something
that we like joke about so frequently.
It's like it lost the weightiness of like what it
actually means. And so when I saw that, I was
like, oh, great, even with that.I can't imagine how horrible

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that would be to live with your child.
Having died really violently right in front of you.
Dude. Of course he snapped.
Yeah. For sure.
Over the walls. Like yeah, man.
If that's what gets you through,then fine then write all over
the walls. Who cares I should bring up also
that Jeffrey. T walking D World on Twitter,
had brought up that Dwayne has been Undead for just as long as

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amount of time that he was alive.
By the time Morgan gets to him, which is probably the most
heartbreaking. Breaking thing of all.
And well, the most Undead to record person that we know that
has survived last an undead for that long, maybe to further
refine on what you just said. Do you think the show is in some
ways dialing in finally, a little bit more on what it means
for Morgan, to clear? Let's say wide happens.

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I think it'd be interesting to get that psychological data.
I guess you could call it just to see because like all we've
really seen is when he went off the rails and killed that father
and son, right? My words, isn't that the Eastman
episode? Yeah, he killed the Father and
Son as he was going through the woods and then he was out of it.
Yeah. He's like a parallel for the

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Wolves at that time. Yeah.
Other than the episode were Michonne and Carl and Rick go
back to King County looking for guns and then Carl wants to go
search the bar for a photo for Judith.
We see clear Morgan there. He's clearly cognizant because
we get the the mention to the peanut butter protein bar later
a long time later. So he's clearly aware like

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enough to know what's going on, but I don't know because I don't
want them to overdo it and then it becomes just a Trope that
they created in the show. For this one character to just
continually do this over and over again.
I think it's a very relatable thing to do, though.
Me personally, when I go throughtragedy or anything, my instinct

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is to throw myself into work to stay busy.
Keep my mind off of this thing that is causing me stress, or
Whatever it is. And when you don't have a
literal job to go to, it's kind of hard to keep your mind busy.
So you kill Walker's, I guess and people and he said because
you can't tell the difference when dead or life.

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Yeah. When you're in that state of
mind, maybe you can't tell the difference or maybe you don't
care. If the preview to the next
episode is in any indication of like what he visually sees, I
totally get it because that was wild.
If I lost my kid, I don't think I would care about killing The
living, I've already lost everything.
So why would I care? Sounds terrible, but that's the

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state of mind. I would be in.
Yeah, well, on that high note. What do you got for us?
Okay, I'm not going to say that a light that Grace died because
I don't like the grace type, butwell, write the most well done,
part of the episode because I feel like the rest of it was
just really draggy and slow and a little mo God.
Love her, she's doing the best she can with what they're giving

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her but she must have said, it'smy fault 15.
X + 15 different places. Like girl, it's my fault, you
didn't get to do is it's my fault.
You think it do that? I mean, I understand what
they're going with the story, but it was just so repetitive,
you know? Can we serve a hangover and over
to it was just slow and drag youto me.
I did not like it. It wasn't the worst episode I've
ever seen. It was okay.

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It was fun. Seeing Grace, come back as a
walker. Yeah, 100%.
But she did a really good job. It was a lot of callbacks I like
to everybody was complaining about Morgan running past
strike. Instead of knocking her down on
the railroad tracks and I think that was a call back.
To when Nick tried to run away from Morgan in 403 and Morgan,
tripped him up with the stick and he tried to run by him and
Morgan just tripped him up. So I'm not going to complain

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about that because I think that was a callback.
Also, we wouldn't have gotten the bus line had it not happen
that way. Yeah.
From a storytelling standpoint, you just knocked out a bunch of
kids but you're not going to knock out the fucking lady.
That's leading them. That's the whole problem.
You're just going to try to run past her while she's an illegal
Weapon. It's so dumb.
I'm just very fed up with the very shoddy writing this season.

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Like These ridiculous things because in the next episode, you
see, he can't see. He's got like tunnel vision.
So maybe all you can see, he's got a literal term.
All he can see is Baby Mo and doesn't see his peripherals, if
he doesn't want to kill her, that's fine.
No, he didn't see her, for at least, like Jesus told you,

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well, Finch could knock her out,Morganton, definitely knock her
out, chimney sweep. The writing is just so sloppy,
definitely see that point. I can agree that it was a little
slow building. And while I was watching it, it
did make me feel like I was backin.
Tyrese is episode one more time is less.
Carl, is that what? You're more?
Tyrese less Carlos. So this, the canoe was actually

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moving in the water. I was gonna, I don't want to get
up to not like in 405 is just the way they filmed it in 405
Laura and Laura, John's paddlingand everything, but the boat is
just completely still, it's not moving at all.
Water water. And it is still, it's one of
those. Once you see it, you can't ever
unsee it. I don't know who As I apologize,
if it was one of you guys, somebody sent me a Kermit, the

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Frog in the swamp. Oh Rainbow Connection.
That's what I feel like. I feel like Herman.
I feel like Carmen I can't be showing up anytime from The
Muppet Movie, the beginning it was Adin.
Adin goes Morgan be like we haveto hurry and then he's like and
then Morgan be like, Kermit sitting there reminds me of the
beer bottle balloon thing that Iput the music behind but anyway

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we'll go back to that or something.
It's all these things and all the Muppets, two hands.
It's ask Walking Dead. Go back.
Anyway. I actually kind of liked the
moment you were talking about with Grace as much as I don't
like a draggy episode as well. And I didn't like Carl's death
because it just felt like, well,of course, it took over the
course of an episode and a half two and I think actually two

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full episodes, the complete and I did like Tyrese's episode but
I did feel what you were feelingabout that.
How it's almost unfair right to do that tribute for one
character, on the other hand, I thought, shut your mouth, that's
the best episode. She had the double stuffed Oreo,
Stacked Cards Against her so I had predicted again.

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Sign ask the question, twice, last episode.
Do you think race is going to make?
And I still couldn't I because Iwanted to see where I was at, by
the end of the episode, but I still thought her days were
numbered. And for this episode, it was
actually important for them to relay to everybody and Morgan
got it sooner than Mo, obviously.
Well, got it way too late. That sometimes we have to accept
the hand were dealt. But at the end of the day, I do

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think that Grace doesn't regret the time she spent with her, let
me go back. Also to those specific scenes
because every scene in this episode starts with Grace,
looking up from wherever she is,whether it be a boat back of the
car, another boat going down thestream.
And then, even the one time withthe radiotherapy Gantry that Jim

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mentioned over her. And last scene is Grace, maybe
in spirit, maybe in body, only looking up as Morgan shuts her
eyes for the last time. And I I think there's something
very touching about, that that the show had did in ways, which
is more like a show. Don't tell less is more.
What does this mean that we're all that?
Maybe the show's telling people to look up and appreciate where

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you're at where you are? And maybe it's not about the
radio repeater tower home. She was trying to build with Moe
that may be where you are, is where you should be living, not
trying to prepare the things from the past to kind of try to
relive that and give you something.
What we were offered before the fall that there's like, I'm sort
of happy medium between what Grace was trying to give baby Mo

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and what Moe was trying to give Grace.
And so, like, I need you to liveand Grace is like, no, we have
to go to the past so that I can give you this place so that you
can, we can spend time together here and the show is kind of
saying, well, but 45 is where itshould be.
It's between trikes future and Grace is future right?
Like somewhere in between there is the right happy medium.

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Life without parents, never feelany pain because that's
ridiculous and doesn't make any sense.
Okay, trike and Grace is will goback to how things used to be
somewhere in between there is where the happy medium is.
Yeah. That's another way of looking at
it, too. Sure.
I don't think so. My like that right now is trying
to revisit the past is more thatshe's always had this dream of

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being able to spend time with her daughter.
Be it Athena or mow in some kindof home.
And this is the only home she has available to give her.
I know she kind of said that butI don't think that's really
where she was trying to go with.It was a dream, they could
share, but I don't necessarily think I think it was her trying
to take Mo back to the past thatin and of itself.
Her doing that is a call back toseason 5 or she was collecting

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all these things in the back of the truck.
And even at that time, I think Icompared it to Alpha building a
baby birds nest for Lydia. We have the analogy of the birds
and isn't Grace in her own way, trying to make a nest for her
bird, same Playbook different approach.
It's also a callback to Morgan'swater tower in season 6.
Yeah, exactly. He had it lined like a nest with

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mattresses and blankets. Sound.
But yeah with leaves on them. Hmm trivia question.
How many leaves are on the blanket?
You toenails nails and have withher soft time.
When they were showing us, thoseshots of Grace opening her eyes,
and looking up to the sky, whatever it made me, it reminded
me of Charities favorite episodein dreams when she wakes up in

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the dream and she's looking up in the trees, that episode can
definitely be interpreted a lot of ways.
I don't know if maybe she was in, Some parallel world where
she was in between life and death, where she could spend
time with Athena, I'd like to believe that that it wasn't just
a fever dream that she was imagining, but maybe she really
was someplace getting to spend time with this unborn child of

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hers. And every time she opened her
eyes, I almost got the feeling like Grace was wanting to be
there. She was waiting for that to
happen so that she could go backto that place and yet some
people have fever dreams. It's what we called it.
And so this was her version of that in reality at the end of
the day that episode played out the same way.

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She got to spend time with her daughter.
I too kind of struggled with this episode in a sense where
there's the obvious logical partof me that wishes to be on Mo's
side, do everything you can to save who you can is long as you
can. It's like the Rick part of you
and you've watched the show. As long as you have that
changes. Hopefully because you keep

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really can't exist watching the show with If that attitude for
very long, well, it's a child's perspective versus an adult's
perspective. Sure, she does a child, the
knowledge that an adult would have to know dolts.
Sometimes we hold out. Yeah, we can have hope like hope
isn't a bad thing hope to kills you.
I'm dead. Then I'm just listen how bad I

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am in the same spot as you default to this idea.
She's dying right there. Choking, you gave me a computer.
I still have the cough. You have the Chicago way.
Yeah, of the finish off, I'm dying.
We'll get to that. Makes me so mad writers made me

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root for that, man. A kid, it's okay.
Yes. I struggle sometimes with this
episode siding with Mo in a sense but like that guarded
siding you want to agree, but you lived in this universe along
that, you know, that even I called it last week, it's not
going to make it. So what, how do I feel about Mo
pushing Beyond hope and Beyond the advice of her parents to not

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do this. But Dave, if she had been right
pay off, I can't fault her for doing that.
I don't Here. And I get it.
I'm an adult and I've lived in the world.
And so I'm like, kid. Let it go.
She was dying, I can't sir, man.She's like she's really gone,
but when my dad was in the hospital, like, on his deathbed,
I'm like, well, you never know miracles happen because you just

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don't want to face that reality,right?
You don't want to face that it'shappening.
You just can't. And so, I cannot fault an
eight-year-old kid for. He's got someone who's
recovering right in front of heras an example, suppose.
Sure. Yeah.
As far as she knows up until that time, she thinks Vince is
fine because Finch has been responding well.
So why wouldn't she have the hope that Grace would be?

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Okay too. Right.
Do you think that also, she's insome ways angry at Morgan for
giving up. At that one point where he goes
to the carnival area was like all, let's go to the carnival
area where I have the house again.
Everything. Yes, from experience, Dave.
Yes. Yeah, something to bring up
because it's not obvious, she's upset.
That was a really good piece of acting from her that facial

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expression. Now that she has when he's like,
take care of your mom and she just looks so upset and hurt,
but she's pissed. She's angry almost like I'll
show you Morgan. Yeah.
In her own, you know, Momo way like okay let's wait till he
goes and I lose go to the train.Let's go D.
I want to go to Finch for a sec because it turns out.

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Yes is infections back etc. Etc.
We have to ask the same question.
We asked the last episode in this one and that is do you
think Finch is going to make it?And this is a tough one,
especially considering We just talked about Mo and her attitude
and her, like, never give up, never surrender.
I don't even want to go there. Why did the writers do this to
us? Why, what is the endgame here?

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Either this kid dies and then I get what I want that.
I don't want to cure because that stupid or two, he lives and
now a cure exists in this universe.
Okay? Well, we'll just take away all
threats and then there's no interest in this anymore.
What's your plan for the future?Because it will.
Now, the shows are just going tobe over because I'm no longer
Rested. If there's a cure that's dumb.
Well I guess the then it's just you spread the Cure around

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great, we'll just like in a patient's it has to be done at a
specific time before the infection spreads beyond the
amputation point so you could see the radiotherapy a lot like
that. The conditions have to be such
that you get them right away. The radiation dosage has to be
fine enough. Yeah but we all know how this
show these should I should say these shows operate, they will
use that then as like a plot device just whenever they feel

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like it. And I'm just not okay with that.
That's what I was going to say. There's no telling what this
show because it's so inconsistent fear of two years
ago, they would have figured outsome way to save Finch.
No problem fear. Now, I don't know, maybe aliens
are going to come and fucking take everybody away or some
shit. I have no idea.
There's no telling, what would it be Beyond The Pale on the

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show? No.
Well, get some fucking aliens coming.
We can save us. They have a cure.
Hey, Lawrence. Have the Cure?
I can't, I don't think the writing Is that far out there,
but I think it's always a good thing to throw in a problem into
your series or season that needsa solution or they need some
more explanation. And we are getting it in this

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episode. It seems like this thing that we
threw out. There isn't quite the Great
White Hope that it is brought out to be, that's good.
But now I'm rooting for a kid todie, but it could be something
like it's not a cure. Like they said, it's a
treatment. So even if you don't die, you
still have to go and get irradiated every week.
Something like that and you're still not 100% healthy and a

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whole person, you're not cured. You're not going to die.
You're somewhere in between you.Still have to endure, basically,
chemotherapy perhaps indefinitely.
He keeps you alive and existing but all because some bench with
a bad haircut had to make a point.
But there's always a dumb bitch who has to make a point on these
shows to, by the way, the governor and then Negan.

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Hey, two fights alphabets, right?
So there isn't another dumb bitch.
The universe trying to make a point which classically.
At least in this scenario, you do get to see both sides of
shrike the ultimate naturalisticside America.
Well yeah maybe. But she was more her point was,
don't help me. We're talking about Morgan
clearing that's what Martha was doing.

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So why was it so cool for Morganto do it?
But she was a horrible terrible bitch.
Cause she was doing ever liked clear, Morgan dirty Mars, Auntie
shrike patron saint of dumb bitches and clear.
Thing to say of dumb bitches andclearing.
I like it. But that was really great Point.

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That's why Martha understood Morgan more than anybody else.
You know in her own way but going back to shrike, she is
more of a classic Walking Dead villain in a sense where her
motivations are altruistic, but she's kind of full of shit high
on our own Supply. Yeah she doesn't even know
what's in those containers. Can we be honest about that?
She's never seen inside there. She has no idea.
They could be empty for all. She knows.

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Maybe in fact. Yeah.
I mean that's That's very possible, but I think she
believes, which would be completely Iran on ironic, that
she believes so much in the vision that she loses the forest
for the trees, maybe like her father or maybe like the kids,
if she is who she is brainwashing to apply the end of
this episode. I actually liked the character

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shrike a little bit more. I don't mean I like her and I'm
rooting for her before. It was kind of like I'm baffled
by this character, but by the end of this episode, I see how
well she's manipulated or at least the Riders.
Out a way to manipulate both Mo and Morgan in such a fashion
that she got her. Clear Morgan.
What I think she was rooting forMorgan to go.
Clear. She's also rooting for Mo to

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come back to the fold and she got both of those things in one
Fell Swoop. Whether why you shaking your
head, that was the point. I was going to break out, I
don't know that she ever actually wanted Morgan involved.
She needed Mo and the other kidsto think that it was their idea
to go clear that Shipyard. I agree to that.
Sure. She doesn't seem bright enough
to have put that together from the The beginning.
Like she couldn't have Master manipulated this whole thing but

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the smile that she gives when Moe is like I can clear it and
like goes to the other kids and is like we can do it together.
This is what we were taught for.I was like, dude, you're falling
right into this trap. This is so obvious that she
wanted you to do this because she said it at the shipyard, we

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trained the prefect for this andthen Chicana dropped that.
So it's like, well, that's weirdbecause now she's asking Morgan
to do it. Doesn't really make any sense.
She said she wanted the prefect's to do it, there is
something to that. She manipulated that situation.
Yeah, so I don't know that she honestly wanted Morgan ever to
go do it. No you're right.
But I think if she could get that as a bonus I think more
power to my plan. Like I don't think she intended

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it but if she could get make that happen, I think Morgan and
his people and whoever else he could gather up would be more
Expendable than the kids. The case, when she rather have
them die, then the kids. So maybe she just saw an
opportunity to Send someone elsethere instead of the kids and
then by the end, it flipped back.
She's like, well, that's what I wanted in the first place, so

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we're good. Win-win, we do have to remember
the end of that episode Odessa where she does say the crane
only. This is what they train for.
And so maybe she got what she was intending to from the
beginning. I don't know, but let's just
extrapolate that. If she could maybe not have the
kids do it, that would be great,but if she can manipulate the
kids to want to do it, that's what matter.

(27:17):
And again, I don't know her motivations completely but I
Whatever I'm seeing right now, actually.
Kind of not saying, I like it her mean, I don't like her as a
character as a whole I'm rootingfor, you know, but I, I can
applaud this level of riding that there is some interesting
psychology going on here. And there's some like 3D chess
that's going on here that she's reportedly putting out there.

(27:38):
That is working. How excited Morgan not knocking
her out. Again, this would be the third
episode of a rally, she would get knocked out.
So maybe the too much brain damage.
I don't know, but it hurts ripping him up at the end.
Outside of that I think it's good.
It reminded me a lot of Virginiamanipulating Strand and Alicia
and everybody to clear the walkers at the Molasses back.

(28:01):
Nice. Okay.
Second why don't y'all just get a fucking boat and cut a hole in
the fence and lead the Walkers out into the water where they
drown or be like season to get him in the car and open up the
gate and lead them away. Why do you have to kill them
all? I don't have a thing with
killing Walkers. I'm just saying, Walkers are
Smart in The Walking Dead. They let him off a fucking cliff

(28:22):
and they just kept walking off the cliff until they all died.
So why can't? You have them walk out into the
water? And all drown Maria Point.
Okay. She's worried about bullet going
through one of these containers.So leave them out and then shoot
them all. She has a big ass fucking gun
pointed at them right now. Yeah.
Lead them out. And then shoot them when they're
far enough away from the shipping containers.
We said the same thing in season5.

(28:45):
At the end when they LED all theWalkers out they had to call
Virginia to Have her save them but then they just cleared all
the Walkers anyway because they just let them away and then they
all washed down the river, is it?
So she can test, the kids are some shit because otherwise why
would you risk all the kids whenyou could just lead him away and
kill them out in the open or some shit?
Yeah it's like she wants to makesure like this batch is like

(29:07):
worth our time or something. I don't know.
I think you honestly answered your own question because it
does go back to what she says atthe end of the episode.
But furthermore, I think part ofthat conversation with crane was
also the We're flying the coop for all.
We know she doesn't give a shit about the containers.
What upon Dave, flying The Coop and the coup.

(29:28):
I thought it was because I passed that one.
Yikes, we don't know her real mother had these huge
containers. It's a quagmire, If You're Gonna
Leave, how are you going to takeall those huge ass containers
with you? I know she said she want.
They're using it to seed other families and whatnot but how are
you going to get them to anybodyand if you're leaving what are
you going to do with them? So you're going to clear the

(29:48):
Walkers out and then just leave.The containers there.
But Madison said, where are theygetting the gas?
Where are they getting the ask the CRM?
God guys, it's the only explanation for that haircut.
You're also not considering the 3D chess move here, also,
because making the kids believe that they can do it, might
Inspire the parents to join in. Okay, no one's playing through

(30:09):
detox dropped out because it's not that well, written, so no, I
don't know. They're playing checkers at
best. It's Checker so fast.
Sly joke, she said it's so quiet.
It's Checkers at best, we're just playing Tic-Tac-Toe is

(30:31):
what's happening here? Okay, the plane command.
Go, global thermonuclear war. I say that to people and connect
for. So let me let me go ahead and
eat shit on that count. I insisted that they were in the
Gulf but after looking at the map, apparently they're on the
Atlantic coast. I don't know how they got there.
If they transported, Everybody by boat around the tip of
Florida or took everybody over land and somehow they didn't

(30:54):
realize They were being taken over land all the way to the
Georgia coast. I don't know, but according to
the map, they are on the Georgiacoast around Savannah because
they are on st. Andrews, sound and that is in
Savannah. So maybe in this universe, the
end of geography or two just fell off.
I mean the hurricane could have wiped it out.
I don't know. That's where they dug that big
ditch for the babies and one of the other, maybe they caught a

(31:22):
ride on an alligator and just the Just toted them all the way
across. Florida, and Alabama, over to
Georgia, the Georgia coast. They took a balloon.
Well, I'd also said that in one of the episodes, I think it was
that I said that the port was probably Port of Savannah.
The constricting containers werethere when I looked at the map
and did some coordination with some of the landmarks there as

(31:43):
well. It looked like and there's
further evidence of this adults and a second there.
You're right. It was st.
St. Andrews Saint Andrews sound.
What's he sound like like st. Elmo's Fire.
But like the wish Because the Saints in and sound.
And there's also the same Andrewsound and st.

(32:03):
Andrews engineering, so much sound.
A new shirt to now I just saw itbut oh st.

(32:28):
Simons sound and say are near Jekyll Island which so which is
where the Walking Dead. The beginning part of Walking
Dead season. Ten was filmed.
Sorry they're super. Super close to my home town of
Jackson. What I find really cool.
I noticed that they were. Yeah, they were getting close.
I've been to Jekyll Island several times.

(32:50):
So there is more evidence that they are in Tennessee and it's
the train car. Number of where the all the
radiation equipment. I thought you were going to be
like, there's more evidence. I'm right?
You see Tennessee. Not quite explicit terms.
How are they Tennessee? Put their on water.

(33:12):
Dave, I was Talking about where they were like with a train car
was now they're all up in Tennessee house.
If people walking Padres spreadsfrom Texas to Tennessee, to
Georgia, to Florida is like yourthing.
They were in Louisiana when theygot picked up.
But the train car with all the medical equipment.
The radiotherapy equipment is train car, 9600, 53.

(33:34):
I actually look this up and it'sactually the train number for
the Norfolk and sorry, the Norfolk Southern passenger car
in Chattanooga Tennessee. Now, if you do a Google map
search by foot, and by car, it'sa While from King County and
it's one hour 47 at five minute drive to Sosh, right?
Could have been there and back to King County and back to the

(33:55):
train car or, and or the an IX. I did another Google search from
where the train might have been.Are you counting the time that
you have to stop and sleep and eat and pee though?
Because if you're going by Google, they do not take and
kill things. Sure.
I mean, but even still, like, Hills, looks like in this
universe and telling these stories, this is not really a
spoiler. Bridget, this is like Game of

(34:16):
Thrones and season seven and eight where they just like
teleport all over the fucking Country, there's no time frame
for anything there in Winterfell.
And then all of a sudden they'rein King's Landing and it's like
the next episode and there's no mention of any time passing
soil. Feels like they're, they're
immediately if you're saying that Padre stretches from Texas
to Tennessee or email, even Louisiana, because that's right,
basically is texting Texas. Louisiana to Tennessee, to

(34:38):
Georgia to Florida. That's a hell of a lot of
fucking area to cover. Where are you?
Busy floor off of. So if they were in Louisiana,
they had to go across Florida, to get to Georgia.
Because the hot part is the poor.
They had to go around Florida. Well, anything is possible but
they're in the same general area.
I'm just saying. That's a very large area to be
covering if you're just one small group of people.

(35:01):
Or even I said that, but it's possible that they're a lot
bigger than they seem or at least they have a lot more
people working for Padre than itseems or they are part of a
larger faction and who knows howmuch they've segment and
themselves off of each other. You have the baby Stealers.
What are they called again? The Collector collector, have
people who repair things, they have people, who are armed

(35:23):
adults, who are armed, they haveprefect's who are armed the
teenagers. They have the eggs in training,
they're mostly segmented off from each other except for the
prefix, I wonder if that's June's only jar of fingers or
she has more because she would have got six fingers if she'd
cut off Dwight and Sherry's in the episode.
So that was all in one day. Can you imagine how many she got
over seven years? She's got to have more than one
jar. There's gotta be a lot of finger

(35:44):
was people running around there.Yeah, there's more drugs that we
didn't see it's probably where the ammo is this.
Help you pull the trigger, all these fingers case, you lose
your Zone. Attach another.
Whoo. But anyway I just thought that
was kind of interesting in. Also the map itself shows a
little bit of tenant. Well, a lot of it of Tennessee
to so not a lot of 2001 and marking.
Yeah. Norfolk Southern would also be
originated out of Virginia. It connects the a connects, the

(36:06):
two, essentially Norfolk. Southern Maine Chattanooga,
ticket, South Carolina, Carolina, I guess.
With the travel time, be any different if they stuck to just
the The train tracks because we saw on that little old timey
thing. So if that's how they're getting
to, and from all these places quickly, maybe that's a quicker

(36:28):
way to travel. I don't know.
Yeah, I mean that, that was partof a bigger train to.
So it's anybody's guess and thatthing, it's called a circle on
car but it's whatever. Yeah, whatever didn't did you
used to have one? Yeah, sure.
Hold up to steam power. And then when we upgraded to
circuitry It was originally a train car.

(36:50):
Oh okay. David.
The train started with saying hewas the Caboose fire Andrews
sound. Get It Right, Dave?
Hey, folks, different Dave Cameoand I'm just taking a break from
editing this episode, to tell you a couple of things at this

(37:11):
point in the conversation, we kind of go on to complain about
having a lack of space meaning where we are in the The world.
Where are these episodes taking place?
What is the passage of time? We lack a little geography and
it's not uncommon for many podcasters to talk about feeling
that this episode is lacking, because of it, I'm not one of

(37:31):
those folks and I make that veryclear.
However, I took it out of the conversation because this
conversation basically took about roughly 30 to 40 minutes,
which would have increased this episode's runtime to about 1
hour and 45 minutes on the low side.
If you want the unedited episoderecording, This conversation you
can head over to KO, Tisha five.com Walking Dead Or

(37:52):
patreon.com slash Walking Dead. It might be something that you'd
be interested in because it might reflect some of the things
that you've been feeling and thinking, I didn't feel that way
and if the story is good enough,that should be all anybody ever
needs. But the ladies did bring up a
good argument. One more thing, the train car
9600 53. I did replace the image.

(38:12):
I used in the YouTube stream with the one that is actually in
Savannah, Georgia. The research I was originally
going by I was a picture in the locomotive Museum, or the Train
Museum or the forget what it's called in Chattanooga,
Tennessee, where they had that train car there.
For the interim, I think, is a 1999.
But I replaced it with the imagethat I later researched of the
train car in the museum in Savannah.

(38:35):
Georgia, the end result of this is a it was my fault that we
went on that yarn and I'm glad we took it out of the
conversation because it was based off of faulty research on
my end. So sorry, ladies my bad,
secondly, by all accounts. From what evidence we've
gathered over the course of these episodes.
A they were picked up in Louisiana.
That is 100% confirmed. Be however wherever the island

(38:58):
of podría is perhaps in the Gulfwhenever they're going to the
mainland. It seems to me that every time
they do go there in Georgia and yes Georgia is a big state.
However it seems like that's what they're going with.
And when you are looking for little bits of logistical info
on the show assume that they're probably in Georgia, that being
the case. The case, it might help you to

(39:20):
be more immersed in these episodes and have a sense of at
least where you might be. And all the places they are
fast. Traveling seem to at least be
within the realm of possibility.Without further Ado, enjoy the
rest of the episode. Thank you for listening.
Can I be honest with you? I think some of the reason why I
feel like I have to push back isbecause I have that sneaking

(39:41):
suspicion as evidenced by the fact that the next episode is
going to air at 10:00 a show that's been on for eight
seasons. Introducing a new show at the 9
o'clock slot rather than at the 10:00 spots, so 10:00 or 11:00,
whatever, whatever thought it was going to be on.
And I get why they're doing it. I know why they're doing it
because it's a hot new show. It's got The Walking Dead

(40:01):
audience and it's giving them what they want and you can't win
and it's hard to be a MC and trying to figure these things
out. I don't know why they're airing
it on the same night. Maybe they want to end Fear.
The Walking Dead a certain way shitty way.
I don't know, I don't know but you can't escape the fact that
when you do something like this to a show that's been on for
eight seasons. Ins you diminish?
Its gravitas. Are you try you try to say we

(40:22):
don't care anymore, we don't care anymore.
We don't care about the show anymore.
They've proven that by the fucking writing this season,
they don't care. Well, on top of the writing
that's that's kind of what I'm saying is that maybe they feel
like well, we're phoning it in folks or were just using the
first draft. It's a sneaking suspicion.
I haven't really complain too much about any of the episode

(40:44):
save for one in three and even then mildly, I've been kind of
just trying to take it out. Bye episode because honestly, I
have a job to do in part of thatis hand holding a lot of it,
trying to see the positives in each episode because it's really
easy to go down. That road.
It is because I don't I tell myself every time before we come
on, I'm not going to bitch aboutit.
But then we start talking and itjust fucking comes out.

(41:04):
I am so angry and disgusted withwhat they because of how much
invested to write. And I'm like, I don't want to
say, I wasted my time because obviously I've gotten a lot of
wonderful things about it, but Ifeel like they're just
destroying something that I loved and destroying it, right?
Fucking in front of me, I hate it when I talk to strangers
about the show because I have a Walking Dead tattoo and people
see it at work and they're like,oh, what does that?

(41:27):
And I tell him that she was the one.
Hmm. Stuff like that.
And a lot of people still complain about the main show
too, and it's hard and I used tothrow in, and should watch Fear,
The Walking Dead and I won't even do that now.
I don't even bring it up. You don't want it.
Watch Fear, four through six. Then you're good.
You need to stop at six but you never know who you're going to
encounter whose watch one through three and four.

(41:48):
Stop watching it for me. This is a weird argument to make
because growing up I was always the outsider changing schools
all the time having to make friends all over again.
I liked things that nobody else liked.
I was from a family Grew From Another Country and wore funny
clothes from most of my childhood is.
So I got used to feeling weird and left out until like middle

(42:10):
school. And then like, why do you like
me? I've always felt not right, so
it made it really easy later on watching The Walking Dead.
People saying is this show stillon to be like?
Yeah it's on and it's great. And here's why, you know, if
it's other people I really don'tcare.
I love what I love it. Uh yeah, I still do that with
fear. I love what I love and there's
reasons why I love it and last episode I was so proud of it was

(42:33):
very proud of it. Our breakdown of it was very
super sweet and even this one toa certain extent, got me
emotional in certain spots the cinematography was incredible.
I will say that the device of using Gray's in that manner.
Every scene when Dwight and Morgan and Grace were being
chased by the And it showed the wide shot of them in the boat.
Coming up a man that was beautiful but the cinematography

(42:54):
is always been fucking choice onFear, The Walking Dead.
One of the things I loved about it.
The first time was how beautifully it was shot and they
have managed to keep that the shots in the swamp is if it's
beautiful. But I think they took a less is
more approach as with this season to, to make up for maybe
their choice of color grading, right?
In Seasons, 7, and even five andbelieving for mostly 4 and 7

(43:15):
would be a lot of people complain about the color grading
season for things. Looking too dark.
And blue and whatnot, and to saturate in the past scenes, in
this season, I feel like they took the feedback and said,
okay, less is more. Let's do less is more, and they
used it a little bit more effectively and in the right
spots. Okay, my number one, example is
on top of the obvious choice of Grace, floating down the river
which I thought was emotional the scene before that when that

(43:37):
scene opens up in her eyes, openup to the torn roof on the
covered truck. It Felts to suffocate event.
Felt like I was in a deep well which some people describe being
on the verge of death is lookingthrough a A light, you know,
through looking at life through a tunnel and and it.
Yeah, and it evoked that kind offeeling that I'm on my way to
death. I can't quite stay alive.

(43:58):
I can't quite hang in there. And so I got that feeling from
that, from that shot. And every time we're let in
through each of these scenes through Grace has eyes.
Like I said, there's things thatyou can love about this episode.
This these episodes on an individual level.
Well yeah, I mean, I love. Yeah well obviously it's yeah,
I'm like if this sure he everything like that's all I'm
saying I'm just saying like manyI'm seeing like a missile.

(44:21):
I'm disappointed at certain noneof us are, I'm disappointed
answer, right point and this is what I brought up last season
two, like I just don't like being treated.
Like the audience is stupid. We're not super dumb, we're not
dumb. I'm not saying you have to show
every little thing but give us something but there are parts of
this that I really, really enjoyed seeing Morgan save a

(44:43):
child, his child by not failing to just put graced.
Own his story came full circle. Finally, we finally got the
Redemption that he wanted and you felt like you were getting
it in this last episode even went a step further and he was
able to save his daughter from grace, who was attacking.

(45:03):
It was like exactly how Dwayne had gone down, right.
He got to relive that moment actually succeed and do exactly
what he needed to. And so, we finally got to see
that saw. That was beautiful.
I was so thankful for that and Iwas thankful for it because he
put her down and then he puts her a body down.
So gently put her down, gently even puts her head down.

(45:30):
So gently, and that part is really beautiful.
And Karen David's acting was over-the-top phenomenal with
those final words to mow and even Mo's acting as a young
actress, it was great. Everything about that was good.
I'll even give you all the otherDwight and Cherry scenes work.
Short the acting there was phenomenal.

(45:52):
It was over the top because you felt like they felt a real
connection to this kid. And although that kid is 30
playing like 10 or whatever. He's like Luke Perry and 90210
90210. I probably look like that.
It's 15 like a seven-year-old great casting Choice.
He looks like the two of them you didn't.

(46:14):
He looks really delicious. You know I see when I look at
Finch. Nick Stahl, he looks like Riley.
Come on. We know what you're all about.
Come on. Yeah, yeah, mix on the brain,
young lady. Well, I mean, I think he's of
age, right? You can date.
No, he's just a little boy, stopit.

(46:34):
You're disgusting. You're disgusting.
Bridget, made the joke, about him being 30.
So, I'm just running with it. If it was 30, I'd be different.
The good news is Gray's is officially Rachel's type.
Yeah, Grace is officially Rachel's type.
Groups of Graces to look Anna Grace was looking especially
nice and so scary David on the market mix.

(46:58):
All I don't hate the show. I'm in it till the end.
I'm just disappointed. That they're not really trying
and it's coming through loud andclear and I'm talking about the
actors. I'm not talk about the crew.
I'm talking about the right. The writing, the actors are
fabulous. Everything is great.
Except the fucking writing. I apologize to anyone who's
listening right now and they're like, oh my gosh.
I'm sorry I didn't ever want to be this podcast where I was

(47:22):
like, so salty. Say so just know that we love
this show. I'm so disappointed.
Well Governor cry, this is so stupid.
It's just a TV show. I'm so disappointed that we're
not getting the send-off that this show truly deserves that
these actors deserved for their work that the crew deserve for
their work. I'm going to be here every step
of the way and I am going to Hope mercilessly that I am wrong

(47:45):
and that everything comes full circle and is wrapped up Nice
and Heidi, like, on The Walking Dead.
Because that ending was what we desert.
Yeah. That was beautiful.
Maybe they have robots writing this season.
That's why the writers are on strike.
That is very frequently. Wait, did, is that what

(48:06):
happened? Go on strike early, and they may
be the new Riders have been on strike and they'll attach Epp
has been writing these guys seriously but not seriously.
What if like? You've been disparaging me this
whole time because I've been writing this last season.
That's why we fighting again copies.
No, it's really good. Can you imagine robot brother

(48:29):
and I'll Pat each other on the back and they're all me.
This is doing a good job, David.Good job David but great job,
David? Yes, you too David.
So what years thinks we're saying?
We're seeing the writing is mansplaining everybody.
I mean it feels a little like itdoesn't.
If you put an infinite number ofmonkeys with the Number of
typewriters, eventually. One of them will reproduce

(48:51):
Shakespeare. I don't think our monkeys are
Shakespeare. Mmm.
No, I don't think so either. Maybe they only have 1000
typewriters. I'm going to reiterate a couple
times it's that she's got jokes tonight.
It is hard to like this writing for sure doesn't help that it's
last season. And I don't know about you,
guys. I definitely think that they
could have used more episodes even if they were going to be a

(49:11):
little bit longer to tell this story the right way, like just
put a fine point on some of these stories, get some of the
technicals just right. Like you mentioned, I'm Not
saying it's hard to please everybody.
I warned about that in the firstepisode.
This show is going to break, even by pleasing.
Most people, or trying to pleasemost people, it's going to fail,
it pleasing everybody. They're going to be people who
said this fucking season blue loads in your face because it

(49:34):
hates you and disrespect you. But wow, I do think that in the
process of trying to, please everybody, they're going to
please. They're not going to please.
A lot of people especially the critics because they're never
happy anyway when it comes. That's when it draws the line,
though. Once it starts reaching us,
that's when it's going to start really dividing us and being

(49:55):
hard to watch. I'm not going to be entirely
happy their season without Sarah.
There's no pleasing me entirely unless you kill off Madison and
bring back, Sarah. That's another thing.
No, Sarah, no window. Not even a mention of them.
How hard would it have been to say?
Oh, we to give us a rounding think or something, something
something, but nothing about these characters, just not even

(50:18):
Get ever mention them again. They just vanished off the face
of the Earth, and I can see it with window.
And I can see it with Rabbi. Jacob, but Sarah was a series
regular. I think she deserved better.
I'm looking at you Tales creators.
Well, that's kind of, like my hope.
My silver lining is the less. They mentioned the greater
chance that there's something they can do with that, because
the fact of the matter is they're not going to do it on

(50:38):
fear. Even if they don't give us, oh,
these characters died. They could still mention them.
I mean, we talked about trying to Turbo Louisiana A, why not
mention these other characters? Even in an open-ended
conversation, we don't have to have, I saw them get eaten by a
shark that shadow charity. If you get the files, then you

(50:59):
can find out what happened to Sarah and her brother.
No, we're only concerned about Charlie and Luciana.
Oh, the Padre files. I didn't know what you're
talking about. Like, I thought you meant my
computer files because I wrote the show that's from right
Padre, 3 and Padre to, it's David three.
David to really come from David LaRoche, the show.

(51:22):
Sorry? Okay, I'm sorry people.
As you are you like my complicity where you can make a
copy of a copy, it just gets a little thicker Dumber, 2 Matrix,
guys, let's be honest. The first one, I had that great
starting with a rotten bastard Rachel's like making the face.

(51:43):
Like I didn't want to say it, but we do.
Don't let Him Gonna justify thatwith a comment.
I'm just getting. There are no bad robots.
Just bad programmers. Don't make me call David
karateka, the lift your ego needs right now.

(52:04):
What about some Easter eggs? Yeah, let's talk about Easter
egg. Grace's Place, Carousel.
Yeah. The drawing of the carousel.
I'd love that. Did I also see little microscope
in that room? I didn't.
But I do. Look, I thought I saw a little
microscope and I was like, ah, because Grace is like a
scientist, right. Yeah.

(52:28):
I don't really know. I assumed that she was the fact
that she was able to work medical equipment and that she
worked in a nuclear plant was your color like physicists, not
scientists. Maybe I don't even know, she
could have been like Thomas a radio tag could have been a
janitor and then when everythingwent to shit, she just kind of
jumped in and took no sir. She mentions working on her team

(52:51):
with like the other people. Yeah, she seemed.
They were trying to stop the leak from happening.
Yeah. It was like a leaking toilet.
That's all. I'm just going off of Sharon.
It seemed like she knew what she's doing on that front.

(53:12):
I did see what kind of physicists I'm with you.
Rachel tiresome, she's a scientist.
Thank you. But yeah.
Yeah, I'm I just don't know, I just, I don't know, maybe I made
a leap. That's what I always thought,
maybe, it's, maybe it was for Baby Mo, maybe he's like, oh,
here's what we used to look at things in microscope.
It's like after the first nuclear fallout saying, like,
how much can I pay attention to anybody?

(53:32):
Talking about anything, haven't any more?
Sure, I should mention that the coordinates that Grace gifts,
Dwight / Morgan, they fall thousands of miles west of
Morocco. So I kept chart there.
Many different configurations ofthose coordinates.
They don't fall anywhere in the United States there in the

(53:53):
ocean. See he didn't want to bring this
up earlier or complaining. Please take me here to the
middle of the ocean where we'll all drown.
Yeah they were like we're not what is this grace is?
Is there were living in Atlantisanyway.
Speak Arabic. Grace is crazy.

(54:24):
I don't die the way he says it. The delivery is so funny, dude.
Well, you know, we also have to bring up the birds and just
warning you from now. Oh, I know, I didn't even bother
to look it up because I was like, Dave, looked it up.
It was King Fisher and magpies, yet magpies are super, super

(54:46):
smart. They're like crows and ravens
smarter a little bit. Well, smarter and Dumber.
They can mimic human speech and yet they're dumb because they
like going for shiny object. It's we though.
Well, Dumber, yeah, dr. Dark over there is something I
didn't want to bring up though. Do you think Moe at the end of
the episode helping the prefect sand, all the kids probably

(55:07):
helping to? Who knows, do you think this is
a long con or do you think she'sgenuinely on board with Padre
and she's like rejecting? I don't think she's on board.
I think she's doing it to save Morgan so Morgan doesn't have to
do it because she was like Padres been lying to you but I
don't think she's on board with Padre at all.
This is what Want to shake down fine, I'll do it.
Leave my daddy alone, it's not for you.

(55:29):
It's for my dad. His reaction was my reaction.
When she's like I don't want to feel this way anymore.
He's like she's not gonna help you with.
That was like yeah exactly. Is this a show?
No, I won't take credit. All right, back to me.

(55:50):
You don't you're not putting this one out, right?
You robot. What about you Rachel?
Well, where are you? What do you think she's at
mentally? Is she doing a little
complicated sort of her own shrike?
The third level chess? Or is it simple?
No, I'm just going one side of the other.
My knee-jerk reaction initial feeling was kind of what I said
earlier, when I'm going through something, I just want to focus

(56:11):
on something else. I want to take my mind off the
thing that's bothering me. So I feel like, maybe she's
throwing herself into this to not think about what she just
went through and whatever happens.
Afterwards happens afterwards. I'm not committed this wear
that, but this is what I'm doingnow.
Is that what you're saying? I gave like a big eye roll when
I happen because in my head I was like, this is such a typical
teenage thing to do. Yeah, she's not a teenager.

(56:32):
These kids are living in the apocalypse, so it's different.
We're not going to be an eight-year-old that's grown up
playing Super Nintendo and doesn't know anything about the
real world. That's not how this world works.
I can get beyond that, the 30 year olds playing children.
It's fine, right? And isn't that what makes it
scarier? Oh really.
You don't want to feel this way anymore.

(56:53):
You just gonna give up everything.
All of your Morals and beliefs so stupid.
Sorry little weird happening right now you little shit.
Cry baby cry, cry, baby. We scold you because I know you
crying little bitch. Season says on what I wish you'd

(57:14):
shut up it's are really cheap joining.
Bridget on this crazy traffic. You put your father through so
much and your mother. It's your fault.
You know. Anyway.
Sorry Sorry, I'm a little bit oneither side of the fence on this
one. I really don't know what's
happening here, particularly because of the writing, my heart

(57:36):
wants to believe that we're doing something complex kind of
like in Seasons past. See I'm trying to reveal my
cards little bit more. My brain is going, don't fall
for it, it's not as complicated as you think.
It's going to be Dave, I'll be like yeah, you're tricking them
did. This is good.
Yep. You're in trig.

(57:57):
Mm, good to attend. Is that the end goal here to
kill shrike? I wasn't even thinking that far
ahead. I was just thinking about this
moment of trying to rid the walkers in the shipping yard, is
it just to get her mind off of her mother's death?
Is it trying to save her? Father, I don't know.
It actually, this is to Zoe Merchants credit, she plays it

(58:17):
off really well, she gives thesemonologues in a way that's
refreshing that I'm listening. Even I'm on board with her Olli.
Now, let's actually let's go. I'm 44 year old, man.
I'm with you. Let's go.
I'm a prefect now. He's playing a 16 year old.

(58:38):
He's playing a sick day lives and point working.
Exactly. No, I'm playing an 18 year old
its aging out a little bit here.Can't give me that much credit.
I'm preparing myself for whatever is inside of these
containers to be a huge letdown,I think it's fair.
I feel like we're being set up. Up for something.
And I'm not going to allow myself to get excited about it.

(58:58):
If they have left food products,clothing, anything like that.
In those containers, non-climatecontrolled in Georgia for 12
years. Everything in there is going to
be rotting and full of mold. Anything less than Sarah being
in. Those containers is that get
disappointed Here and hanging out.

(59:25):
One of the containers could be here the whole time.
What did you expect? What took you so long.
All the supplies are gone. It's just filled up with cases
of beer. Now, this beer is called dirt.
It's made from fertilizer, this this beer is called eagle.
And this one is Hawk, and this one is Dove and they're all
business. This one is dodo bird and this

(59:48):
one is great tit, right? This one's right.
Blasted movie bluefin. He did, but I kind of like what
you were saying. Rachel is that?
What if this is all for naught? We're putting a lot of
expectations on these on the shipping containers and they
happen to contain nothing. Trike doesn't even know it.
And it's like, what was all thisfor?
Kind of, like, Morgan at the endof last episode.

(01:00:09):
What was all this? I put you in danger.
I put you in danger and I'd be curious, take a danger high
voltage. How would you react if all this
was for nothing to, I want to see that.
When we see shrike fall apart, yo, I want her dead.
Do you want dead? The comes out and like bites.
Her some shit for Dad is still in there.
Yeah probably yeah and she has amoment like Morgan to where it's

(01:00:33):
like I can't do it or make the kids.
Do it. Maybe dad B grain and she can't
save him. Just as he was about to, in the
past. Listen, like I said, my heart is
there. My mind is like guarded.
Here's where we're at. I'll take this one episode by
episode, I would like to see a symmetry between shrike and
Morgan shrike and Baby Mo see Ifthe ghost from her past, come

(01:00:56):
back to filing. Let's see how it feels to be
her. There was also a little bit of
parallel between June and John and Morgan and Grace, and that
he got there. Just a second, too late.
Hmm, he had to put Grace down. No, not that was thinking of
Daniel and Ofelia to. Yeah, I thought about that as
well. Let me break it up a little bit

(01:01:19):
with the reminder that the little hug between Dwight and
Daniel because it's easy to forget, that they were Bud's in
season, five and rode around in the Swati with Sarah, and
Daniel, cut his hair and all that stuff.
So, I really love that little, it was just a little thing, just
a little hug, as they met each other, and then, that was it.
I was like, oh, he's beautiful face James, I'm sorry.

(01:01:40):
Face pubes, face, pubes. You know, it's funny that you
mention that because as we were talking about what Grace is
trying to do and she was trying to put satellite dishes and
solar panels in the back of thattruck and season 5, it was
right. What does bring us back to?
Daniel having to get on that walk and go.
I'm so sorry Grace because he was the one who spent time with
her is 210 words per minute. I think it was or no.

(01:02:01):
No, that was the one where they were in the mall.
It was the one after that. I think with the beta reveal,
remember the album that falls out in her stack of album, not
leave. What you don't take what you
need him. Having to tell her that he's
sorry. It's kind of interesting because
it there's this interesting parallel to what she was trying
to do with the repeater station and it evoked that episode all
over again. She just like a lot of our
characters trying to recreate the circumstances of what

(01:02:23):
they're trying to do before. He's one of them Daniel still
here and Daniel has to let her down easy.
And they had that singing part at the end of the episode that
made me a little emotional to itwas the travel when they played
the guitar together. Hmm.
She played the guitar and she was singing.
No, she played the guitar and hewas singing singing together at
John and June's, they sing together Tom and Jules wedding
too. So I thought that was a touching
moment to good episode when he can hit all the emotions.

(01:02:46):
Well, I guess so it's not as it was I think this was a good
episode. I think it was a necessary
episode facing what you need to face its bold that they took out
of me. In character as Wells.
And I've mentioned this right after the episode aired in my
head. Also, in the spoiler chat in
Discord. It's a lot more than what they
did in The Walking Dead of the, at the last season, taking out
somebody who's a little bit, above licks, a Luke, in my eyes,

(01:03:08):
when the futurecast is a little bit on the smaller side,
compared to The Walking Dead, and there's their stories, a
little bit more intimate than these Grand narratives.
You compare Grace to Luke well, in the way that she to me is a
little bit more on the importantside of the cast, let's say
nothing against the Luke character, but I think Grace is
far more important on fear than Luke was on Walking Dead.

(01:03:30):
So what I did was I saying it's like a higher level than I
higher level deck than Luke stuff.
Yeah, you were comparing Grace to Luke in the effort to explain
the death that they had in The Walking Dead versus, it's more
of a side of Rosita. It's not quite right more.
Exactly. And that was at the last
episode, they got rid of all their deaths in the last
episode, essentially, and this is by far not the last episode.

(01:03:53):
I also So, kind of think, I don't think and maybe this is
something that we can bring up, is, do you think this is the
last main character death know which would put it a little
higher in my mind and I disclaimer, I'm not one of those
people that say, oh, that's fourdeaths.
Like, let's have death for the sake of death or death with
eating. I'll be at least, one more.
I think at least Morgan will diebefore the end of the series,

(01:04:15):
bold prediction. That's not my prediction.
I don't know. I hope so.
But I'm particular on how it's done like you just David, I
don't want death for the sake ofdeath, if we're going to lose
our main characters, I want it to be done well and I'm nervous
for me. It's more, I hope it drives, the
story doesn't have to have meaning, it doesn't have to have

(01:04:36):
purpose. What happens after the death is
just as much just as important as what happens before the death
kind of like this episode, I kind of feel like, fuck.
I'm choking up, even talking. I kind of feel like we might
lose Dwight because I think losing Dwight would be
surprisingly impactful for a lotof viewers.
I I think a lot of people would be surprised at how sad it would

(01:04:58):
be to lose Dwight already because we've known this
character for a long time and I know it would really fuck me up
to watch Dwight die in a weird way.
I feel like do I need to go to France and reunite with Darryl
though, the yin to the Yang, my money is on underground, kills
him because he said it would, hesaid, if you come back here he's
not in the same place. He didn't say any my going to

(01:05:18):
France under Morales, right? She's like I told you Bridget,
would you be Ocean Ali affected by strand.
I think so he's, he is one of myfavorite characters.
I've always enjoyed him. I always thought he brought a
sense of levity and drama to theshow that I've always really
enjoyed it. Yeah.

He's and and (01:05:36):
such a great actor and he's like almost
Shakespearean. He just has that presence.
That's called gravitas, he's gotit.
His manner of speaking is so beautiful.
You so eloquent, my money's on Strand and I think it's to make
up for what happened with Alicia.
Akeley to Madison. I think he will finally make a

(01:05:57):
sacrifice and I would love that ending for him.
Because the sad is that would make me, it would show that he
had grown, and that he had changed over the years.
We saw a little bit of it and then they backpedaled so hard on
it and season 7. So, I really would like to see
him grow in that way. I think that that could happen.
I don't want anybody to die. We've lost enough characters

(01:06:19):
already is, they just watched him right out?
Honestly, I only want one. I turn to die and it's not
Morgan. It's me too.
I mean, she's already dead. So it shouldn't be too big of a
guild or off. Again, Anna says, she's a lot
like Morgan. He's on borrowed time.
And the weird way of Grace, she's a narc that involved.
Her sacrificing herself for kidsor whatever in a way wouldn't

(01:06:42):
even Madison dying in a sense. Be a little grouchy is already
off the show Once because we thought she died.
Do you know what I mean? This time we get to see it.
I mean it's time we see it, we're dead body but would it
serve the store? That's that's all I care about
know, and that's the thing. I won't know.
Maybe Troy comes back and hits her in the head with a hammer.
It absolutely could serve the story though, any one of our

(01:07:03):
characters could sacrifice themselves for someone else,
especially Madison because she just, she loves that shit.
See, I'm not thinking sacrifice at all.
I'm just thinking my point of view has been mostly of shock
and as a result of that shock either before or afterwards it
ratchets up the story. If you're going to go out it's
the last season go out and aboutAnd do some crazy shit and write

(01:07:26):
it. Well, at this point, you have to
do that. Yeah, where are the variants bra
will Grace is a small step in that, right direction again, as
much as I don't want people to die for myself, but also for
myself, I want a good story and if you have to throw bodies at
it, throw bodies at it, make it count because you use these
things to push these characters forward in ways that are

(01:07:49):
believable. And also makes for a good story.
And this was a good story, I think.
And I think, You might all agreethe way Grace goes out.
It's almost a best-case scenario.
Her deck was double-stuffed Oriole stacked, and it made
sense but they used it to give you like a moral lesson.
In a sense, do you choose to do everything that you can, or do

(01:08:10):
you spend the time that you haveleft with the people that you
love? Do you chase that thing or do
you stop? And just say, hey, we're here.
I'm going to spend as much time to add.
I like to struggle with the tension between those two ideas
so they used it, right? Technically, she still A lot of
time where they were wasn't the issue, right?
I mean it was to Grace kind of but they still spent the time
together exactly the only hope. No one was.

(01:08:32):
There was Morgan, you know, Morgan wasn't there.
But she got to spend the time with Moe and I feel like she and
Morgan really could have spent time together anytime during
that seven years because, you know, you can't tell me there
wasn't a way. They could slip away and see
each other. If they really, really wanted to
without Padre, finding us to have a little.
I feel like because their connection was still there.

(01:08:54):
They still love each other or found excuses, I'm sure like oh
I gotta do pick up some was apologizing for costing them
time, but like Grace said, you know, she gave him more time
than she knew. But whether they'd been at the
house or whether they were on the train, she still got to
spend time with her before she died, and at least Mo had the
sad about the satisfaction. I guess it's not really the

(01:09:14):
right word, but I'm going to usethat to satisfaction of doing
everything she could. Because what if she had taken
Grace back to the little house and then she died and then Would
have questioned yourself her entire life.
What if I could have saved her? She can live with.
Never would have been enough. She, and now she knows that she
did everything she could, and she couldn't save her, and she

(01:09:35):
still got to spend time with her.
Maybe it wasn't the most qualitytime, but it was still timely
and that leaves Mo not blaming herself for the rest of her life
for not being able to save Grace.
What was he like race really resigned herself to that is
exactly. It was going to say and not only
that, she got an unexpected result of people kind of taking
it out of her hands and not reverting to the Person that she
was trying to be in season five.I think she was really proud of

(01:09:57):
her daughter for really doing her best.
She knew what the end of the daythat she could take care of
herself and she was capable and maybe even took some traits from
from early Morgan, do everythinghe can talk, can't stop and I
gotta we gotta save you. I can't lose you.
That's Morgan. That's Baby Mo but in a
different package so it's a little bit more digestible.
Yes. But I think she was very proud

(01:10:18):
of her and I think isn't that what we all want is parents is
to know that when they leave thenest but they can take care of
Cells. They can be all right, and maybe
even be happy, you made another doing son.
It's kind of a punch. Well that easily transitions us
to the birds. In this episode they are again
these symbolisms. We were typically doing it for

(01:10:38):
the person that was called that but really this pertains more to
be them besides knew nothing about these people, right?
Exactly, their faces were magpies.
They help you master the art of persuasion while avoiding T,
they communicate clearly prominently and with eloquence,
it could even learn human words teaches you to be mindful of the

(01:11:01):
words you use when interacting with others, it helps.
You strike the right balance, between idle chatter and
accurate self-expression. The magpies affinity for shiny,
lovely things. Teaches humans, not to let
appearances Lead You astray magpies mate, for life, the male
feeds, the female whilst incubating her eggs and continue
to do so after one month after The Brood hatches, so, the male
ends up taking care of The Brood, while the mother goes out

(01:11:22):
to hunt Magpie illustrates Equalpartnership, and devotion in
marriage and isn't that little like race and Morgan, in a
sense, a little bit of a qualityin their in their relationship.
Yeah, even explaining the difference between idle chatter
and superficiality. There's a superficiality that is
much as Grace's, well-intentioned, that's not
what's important the world before.
Isn't what's important? Let's say what is important is

(01:11:45):
that striking that balance between trying to give her
something for of what was with where we are now and just
spending as much time as possible with the ones that we
love. Now, where we are, And so I kind
of like that imagery, but let's go to the Kingfisher.
The Kingfisher helps you adapt to new terrain with bold,
determination fortitude, and perseverance.
Helps you to transition to change.

(01:12:06):
Among the Northwest, Native American tribes, that represents
abundance prosperity and love its Speed and Agility in
hunting. Makes it a symbol of prowess and
proficiency. Also a symbol of fertility
dreams of a kingfisher mean you have rightfully stepped into a
rightful place of authority, theweight of which you are keenly
aware. If it leaves overhead in your
dreams, Means someone or something hovers, menacingly

(01:12:26):
over you making you feel undeserving often through lies
and gossip. You must believe you are worthy
of our respect and love bestowed.
Upon you to take control when the Kingfisher flies along the
water's edge and exciting Adventure is heading your way.
Finally being free from some long-term danger, a dream were
old and young Kingfishers gathertogether means, pay attention to

(01:12:47):
your family. Mmm, pay attention to your
family. So I thought that was a little
bit kind of beautiful and also kind of robbing you Lying close
to water means you're finally free from that dangerous.
Should this is the point at which Grace is kind of, like,
giving up on her own dream of going back to her repeater
station. We're too far now, it's too
late. And the last bit about The Young
and the old Kingfishers meeting together in your dream, means

(01:13:09):
that you should pay attention toyour family and that's when
brakes finally gets it. As a mother, this is what I
should want my daughter to be. Okay, before I go, I did it.
He made it, he made it through it because I was like, literally
tearing up while I was trying towrite that it was kind of
beautiful. Even the part about like, whom I
consider maybe Morgan at the time sometimes, people kind of

(01:13:30):
berate him for being the leader on the show which is being a
growing sentiment. That's people residing
themselves to at this point rather than Madison rather than
June rather than so I thought that was a little extra thing
for me personally, but then it goes to family.
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