Old Acquaintances |Series Premiere| The Walking Dead: Dead City

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I can never spell that word for the life of me and I'm like,
Learning and learning growing. That's why we have autocorrect.
Yeah, he think, anyway, because of the way the recording
schedule goes out, I want to release the podcast.
For if you're the Walking Dead's, midseason finale, which
recorded yesterday, if you followed us on chaotic, Chef
a.com slash Walking Dead Or patreon.com slash Blocking Dead.
You would have been in the recording studio, like Jasmine

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and Mitchell were for a brief period of time, at the very
least. So I want to release that
podcast before the dead City Podcast.
So those podcasts audio podcastsare not going to go out for a
little while in the interest of getting Wrapped up and then
starting off with dead City. So the first two dead City
Podcast might be a little closertogether than I'm comfortable
with, but we'll see. We're going to take it day by
day. We were all concerned.

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We watch this episode that there's so many trigger warnings
that we gave you along the, your, the watch of our own
episode. So I wanted to know how you
felt. First of all, let us know about
the trigger Warning part of it, but then also let us know what
your overall impressions are. Okay, my friends love me and I
did get some warnings ahead of time things I should I should

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watch out for and maybe went to close my eyes type of things.
And I did very, very much appreciate that.
I was actually able to get two watches of this episode in
today. I want I do, right?
Yeah, impressed. She just finished before we got
on to. I did, I liked was watching the

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last, like, three minutes when Igot on here, I love Fear, The
Walking Dead. Let me just start by saying
that, but there's just somethingabout The Walking Dead this to
me. Even though it's not my favorite
characters, still in my heart islike part of like the main show
and so just watching it feels a little different.
To me, I did go into this episode very apprehensive.

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Maybe it would be a good way to a better word.
Describe how I felt I expected the hate.
This honestly I did not expect to like it at all but I texted
the ladies here. Soon as it was done you know
what fucker I liked it I really did, I liked it and now I'm
going to go back to what we justsaid.
A second ago, the writing between This show and so far

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what we've seen on fear is nightand fricking day and it was so
refreshing. Right?
Because it's television show with such beautiful writing.
Oh my gosh, they just let the scenes play out.
They didn't over explain everything.
That was happening. We got to meet these new
characters and figure out who they were based on what we were

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seeing and not what we are beingtold.
There was so much fun. Lot.
And it was yes they didn't treatus like idiot.
Li like we couldn't figure out ascene on our own and this whole
time watching Fear The Walking Dead I'm like I was agreeing you
know with the writing choices and everything but it's like it
almost took watching this episode for it to really sink

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in. Like just how bad it was by
comparison. Even you mean you mean to use
the word lackluster, right? Yes.
Yeah. So this is a very long-winded
way for me to say that I did really I enjoy this first
episode and you apologize. It sounds like you're most
apologizing for liking it. It's like I really I can't

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really did like this episode. I do ya.
Like I kind of feel guilty for liking it.
I turned away at 22 minutes and I still did.
I did not watch either time. I had to turn away.
I put a new division picture. Yeah.
Now I'd like to turn my face away in the biter with my

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eyelids. Yeah, yes.
I did that my ear. Listen, I want to ask this
question before we continue withImpressions and that was first
of all, everybody in the chat saying yes, love it.
You're dead-on right with the show, don't tell etcetera.
The writing Etc. But the one question I wanted to
ask was, was there in some way, a little bit more sympathy for

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Maggie in those in this episode,as a result of kind of some
watching, some of those more visual scenes, where, you know,
she's crying out in silence and because over the course of time,
I have been checking in with you, on whether or not you feel
something for Maggie since she returned I can sympathize with
Maggie in this episode. From a mother's perspective, I
would be reeling if I were in her position as well.

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I mean I would be absolutely freaking out that first scene
where she had just like bashes that Walker in which by the way,
reminded me very much of the well Walker that almost killed
Glen in season two. I wrote that too.
It reminded me of Negan. Yeah, and the way he bashed in
heads, oh yeah. And that was the well Walker's
first. Yeah but just the way she like

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Unleashed that Fury. I'm like yeah I get it girl.
I get it. Yep.
She at least the furries. Somebody want to read Hari who I
hope not Shana saying Maggie having to relive the whistle.
Yeah, honestly. Shana hearing Maggie do the
whistle choked me up. I will immediately just what it
made me gag a little bit. Thomas has the whistle.
Callback was amazingly perfect. Such great writing?

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Yes, beautiful. I think such great whistle on us
as having her loved one, once again.
Taken by someone who does that. Yeah, hearing the whistle and
then losing a loved one right tocare says, I actually love the
first scene. She says Laura, I'm sorry, I'm
being perfectly. Yes, she did.
And Sean is like, shaking herschel's.
What the hell is what the hell says?

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He's a, he's a badass, just likehis dad.
Oh, I got such Glen Vibes at theend to it, is Mom.
Yeah. Yeah.
She's pretty badass. Yeah, there's a bunch of
badasses that and seen reminded.Specifically of when Glenn was
tied up in government torture room, though.
That, that was, which in all fairness Maggie was as well, but
just kind of the way I do. It just reminded me more of Glen

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and they were both equally powerless.
I'm not telling you shit. Okay, well, I'm going to bash
your face in. Okay.
Well, then, here we go. No, I mean, he was taken, may do
so. She's okay, she's upset.
That Herschel was taken and she's saying freaking Herschel,
like, how dare you take freakingHerschel.
Not freaking Herschel, is to blame for being tank, which is
Oh, it sounded like it first. Sorry, shot.

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This is the third time. You think he would have learned
something by now? So, Biscayne tactics or
something, right? He's gotta go through his hazing
period. I don't know.
And we got a sense of time passing with his age similar to
fear. Ha ha ha.
We don't know how much it's not.It's not, it's not explicitly
said, oh no. And that, that is the different

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know. They slapped Us in the face with
seven years. They slapped Us in the face with
seven years. Talking about times.
No we're talking about dead Citythough.
We don't know really how much? Oh yeah time has passed.
That's that's what I'm talking about.
No, they said it was but we can infer a few years or a couple of
years. It is two years after the end of
The Walking Dead at the end of The Walking Dead.
We had the one year time job because I'm going to guess

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longer. Okay, this is two years after
that after that after the very end of The Walking Dead, right?
So, three years if you don't count the very personal last,
right? And, you know, if you don't
count that little one year, timeJump, or they had been The
Walking Dead. It's three nights on a says,
it's like dog years and forget the fucking dead something I

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should have said. In the last episode was the
apocalypse makes things accelerated.
We didn't think Hayden but we thought well, I mean, it could
be but you know, people relationships accelerate
attitudes, accelerate maturity accelerates people get mature,
really fast, people get their periods at five years old
anyway, I really enjoyed it. And as Rachel said, the contrast

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in writing was different night and day Thomas.
Thrown in that chat. I'm surprised that Negan didn't
say Maggie, that's your son thatyou had with Glenn a few years
back. Like, that's like 10 years ago.
Dear make makes now to edit thatout.

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Okay. When I watch Walking Dead,
right, I get sucked into like, I'm so excited and I'm sassed
over this. And I've got to know more, I'm
like looking for for more and I want to go back.
And re-watch the episode and I get like really invested.
And then I'm like, looking online for like merchandise and
I get hyper fixate it. But when I watch fear, I don't

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feel that way. I don't feel as much that way.
You know, I hate that I'm comparing it, but we literally
just talked about it yesterday, so that's why.
Now, it's fresh, very unfair, the color palette is nice.
It's just different, am really excited to see where this is
gonna go in such a short period of time because there's only six
episodes. It's nice to see a city because
it creates some new elements that we haven't been able to see

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For especially being New York. You know, you think New York you
think of me rats. I've got corrupted think of
David and Thomas, excuse me, andthen dude rats cockroaches.
Plus the whole time I'm watchingit, I'm thinking, like, I bet to
have knows where that is. I bet Dave is gonna have

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something to say about that. I bet Dave's gonna say something
about that. David seen the Statue of
Liberty, even the stuff in New Jersey, I know.
To do York and I didn't see thisclassic story.
I didn't even eat pizza. That's worse than not still
tease. Ya don't even Statue of Liberty.

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Now, it's so much pizza. I think I ate my body weight and
pizza. That was, I'll just have to go
back for New York. Comic Con that'll be like, yeah,
why not? I only kind of half-assed
watched it the first time. And I was like, yeah.
So then today, I went back in and watched it again and I was
like, damn, this is this is really good.

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I love the color palette, I lovethe framing and I love the
shots. I love Maggie's new look.
Damn, she is just a badass again.
As everybody else has said, the writing difference is just,
there's nothing for me to make fun of in fear.
I can make fun of million things.
I was like, literally nothing for me to make fun of in this
show. Come on, not even like the
zipline seen at near the end. Go.
What do you think was gonna happen?

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Of course, it's supposed to cut it.
Okay. Okay.
Well, they do. He wasn't thinking straight, he
didn't hurt her. Did she said stop being me?
Yeah, so yeah. Now we're the defensive ones
days. It's good.
You know, I'm in The Walking Dead universe but I've always
been more invested in here, but right now, this is way better.
Sorry to hear. Sorry Jenna.

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Which is not to say I'm going totalk about it or anything.
I just kind of wanted it from mymemory Thomas.
He said, I think Sarah, and Wendell took that zip line.
So, I have this star. He's two for one sale brother
and sister shame. He says it in Croatian.

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By the way, I actually looked itup was that the last thing he
said? I was wondering what the last
thing he said was. Yeah, except that.
Which means what a shame and Croatian.
Oh yeah. I mean you kind of knew that's
what he was saying, but it's confirmation.
But anyway we Backtrack on that just one more little factoid.
I'm just gonna throw out there whenever get to touch again but
in the captions he refers to theguy behind him you know when he

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when he comes in and he's threatening or whatever he's
doing little monologuing to Herschel Like a Villain often
does which you don't really get to see as much in this universe
anymore. But the guy is called Buddha's
underling and in Buddha's means brother.
It's like a formal Nate way of calling somebody brother and
Croatian. Otherwise it's like Bharat
Bharat is like the slang for that like bratva.

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Like an arrow brought to us the I don't know if anybody watches
are. Oh, I've had those.
So the group might be called theBuddha's or the maybe the Buddha
is Gang or something like that. I almost got my keyboard all
wet. Yeah, no, I mean, Thomas was

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funny but no, Bridget almost made me spit take, did I miss
that brat? Brad Johnson.
Now we have to say it, right? You brats, kind of like that.
No, that's Illinois. Dave, it's the same general

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region comes out here. You know what New York City is
the same as Jersey Dave. First of all, there's no Dave,
nobody believes you Dave's from Jersey, so that's not insulting
to him. He's like, yeah, cheers.
Is great. I was burning you.

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I was burning. Here is bringing you, this is
how we tuck in New York, even thrown out of Better.
Call, Saul reference says they took the zip line to Belize.
There is no, no, just now 80, noUncle, unfortunately, too bad
for that guy, obviously, I likedit.
There's a lot of things about this episode.

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You can like there's a lot of unanswered questions which I
love meaning things. That happen visually not via
dialogue that our show. Joan.
And if you are not carefully watching you could be like oh
well whatever what was that, whocares?
But some things like the addressthat pearly is looking at.
It's the Oliver Street address in the two Bridges section.

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In Manhattan. It's right.
Near Worth Street, kind of near Chambers Street.
Very cool. What's significant about that is
you don't even need the number for that street because that
street is only two blocks long in lower Manhattan.
Is this right here, okay, Mariners Temple Baptist Church,
this is Oliver Street right here, this small Street, in
lower Manhattan. So we don't know.
That is the name on the address is Lowell.

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I couldn't make out the first Armstrong.
LOL, I guess we'll find out morethis.
I drew an arrow to show show youthat it's a one-way Street,
okay? It's only two blocks long,
that's all of history right here.
Madison Street, Madison Street, Madison area.
We're extremely pleased and it'sguess is there's a pit.
There's two pizza places right within walking distance.

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This area is called two Bridges because it's right near the
Manhattan Bridge right here and the Brooklyn Bridge right here,
and it's kind of near. Chinatown around here.
So, if you're a New Yorker, if you've ever been to New York,
you have kind of like a mental picture with some of these
things are and what? They might look like
pre-apocalypse Shana wants to know, do you think the Walkers
only follow the one of the roadsone way?

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Yeah. Yeah.
And I think that would be hilarious.
What, you know? Why don't we go to that shot?
So when Maggie in the beginning is having her moment obviously,
but also one of the behaviors that she noticed right away,
which I thought was hilarious, was as she's looking across the
Hudson because she's on the Jersey side, it's give you
Little visual. You see like all these Walkers.
This heard of Walker's going up the West Side Highway like near

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Battery Park. Probably kind of near the Statue
of Liberty but they're all goingin an orderly fashion down in
one way, on the West Side Highway.
I just thought that was really cool.
I didn't think of New York City as sort of a oh, they're all
good. Just going to be doing their own
thing in the middle of Manhattan.
Like, no. But what if a they all kind of
heard together and go in One Direction, if there's no noise,
right there is a car, actively encouraging them to become later

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on. Yeah.
What is that a call back to? Maybe that car is the reason
that they're going good. They're going around the
outskirts, right? Yeah.
If they're walking around the shoreline and they're probably
going all the way around Manhattan, see visibly
conceivably. Yes.
So the car could be going through the streets and
Gathering up by the day and leading them out to the outer
edges and that would serve as kind of like a buffer for people

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trying to get on the island. If they had to go through this
wall of Walker's that were just continually circling the outside
of the Island, right? Imagine if there was all like,
If not all or most of like the residents of New York City's,
this is walking heard continuouswalking.
Her never-ending walking heard with no gaps around the city.
That's crazy. It's like a force field on this.
I'm not from New York, a southern bumpkins, don't know.

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Anything. Salsa's from New York City and
00, York City, New York City. Maggie Negan and the other dude,
John. I was the kid that they take,

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the junior Marshal, of course you have that cockroach seeing
you see the herd coming and thenbefore that you see that little
truck that is saying that as oh thank you for tipping us.
So we got a little animation of Nicholas.
Thank thank you. Thank you someone tipped.
I think it's Lois. It's always Louis when it says
someone tipped us sneaky lowest.Thank you.
Louis Louis. Of course it's Leo.

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So that truck that has the musicis a callback to a tactic.
The savior's you They called it,the fat lady and so it was the
Croatian version and I should have gotten the music for it,
but I didn't. I got a lot of things for this
episode, but I didn't get. This means was extremely
distorted to. Yeah, well, in the bar music in
the beginning, I was trying to get the music for that as well.
I could. I didn't know what that was
offhand. AMC didn't want to paint

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big-time music royalties and it just makes still probably did up
and stuck it on there. They don't want to get sued
again. I mean, I'm down with it.
They put all that money into individual.
So I'm all good with that again.We're getting little tiny.
All backs to the savior's, the savior's as a concept and so it
you start to get the feeling of the who has the run of the city.
And is this, why new Babylon hasn't stretched out to

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Manhattan. Let's say, I don't know, why
would they want to? Because there's plenty of
available land. What is it about Manhattan?
That would make new Babylon. Want to stretch into Manhattan,
because there's nothing there for them, resource-wise, other
than whatever they've scavenged there on the island and it's the
danger involved with having to trying to take out all the
walkers on the island. Would that be worth the very Bit

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of resources that you would get from it.
That's a very interesting question that might have already
an answer one is that they may have already tried because to
the whole idea of Tranquility sordidness, that's on their
Crest at the new Babylon, Federation Crest tranquil.
It's his ordinance. He does touch on this a little
bit but it means the Tranquilityof order, the Roman Catholic
tradition of just War Theory. Now, the United States and

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basically some of the western Powers have adopted of
themselves, a modern version of Tranquility as ordinance, what
that means is it's A way of getting like-minded countries
together in order to impose a framework of divine order to
bring about a sort of not heavenon Earth, but it divine order of
things in order to have just piece.
It's the justification of war inorder to create a peacetime and

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install, a moral framework and ideally across the world, are
it? There it is a movement of
politics. So the idea is, if we can get as
much land as possible as many communities, or people's
organized people's into this principle, we can actually
Re-establish, the world order based on a religious framework.
That's what the new Babylon Federation is operating under.

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It's less about resources, like the savior's were then, it is
about. Let's re-establish the world.
And as long as we're starting from scratch, let's impose that
new framework unless you see people as a resource, right?
But again, why would you try to push into one of the most
dangerous difficult to get two areas.
First, why wouldn't you go around and he'll build a buffer

(20:02):
State around it? Because you consider knots
around, In, but you can, you know, the land side, you can
surround it and then it makes you question.
Why wouldn't you do that? And it because of what you said,
maybe they tried to go into me and I'm just saying, I don't see
why they would choose that first.
I'm thinking that might be part of the reason why pearly has
that address for Lowell Armstrong.
So a brother-sister, I don't know.

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You don't know what it is, but it might also be the fact that
they're in New Jersey. The fact that they may be trying
to Circle Manhattan, to eventually recapture, it may be
their big enemy is the croat andthe Buddha's or whatever or just
turn it into a Escape From New York.
Can just make that the prison colony and ship all your
undesirables over there and thenthe crow a can deal with them
and have his own little fucking Kingdom in there.

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You know, I'm gonna guess it's the moral thing because pearlies
way to moral for that shit, see.But I'm starting to get the idea
that it's hard to tell in this series who the good guy.
And the bad guy is even when it comes down to Maggie and Egan,
you have this baked in idea thatoh, maybe the Marshals are all
about a moral good, but maybe they're a chaotic.
Moral good, maybe they are all about imposing.
This Tranquility Zordon is just War theory, meaning I can I can

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do bad things for good. We've said this a lot in all the
series you got to do bad, to do good.
What world Beyond was one of? That was one of the things I
look said a lot. So it's starting to look like,
who is the good guy? Who is the bad guy, obviously,
the croat he even has his own version of a Negan lean when
he's talking to Herschel and maybe it goes to what Megan
said, maybe everybody sucks, maybe ever, maybe everybody is

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the bad guy, you know, and it's just a matter of perspective,
I'm actually curious to see how far this idea of Tranquility is
ordinance how far they're going to go with this idea, because
it's very possible that That's their single mode of failure and
this is not a strange thing thatwe've seen.
We've seen across time. Let's say Christian missionaries
going into native, populations to try to do whatever they do.
Let's just say against all logic, and all sense, and they

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end, most of them end up gettingkilled because of culture clash,
and it's kind of like the prime directive.
They're violating the prime directive because they're not
civilized it now for advanced. Now, if that's the right word to
be able to communicate with us, now, on a level that.
Well, give them a culture shock.Let's say you're saying they're
trying to To build a new puritansociety.
Let's say, theocracy Georgia coast.

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Yeah, a former theocracy. No drinking no drugs, no
whoredom. That's what got that woman
killed. I think we covered as much as we
could with Tranquility as ordinance.
Please stop talking about it Dave.
Sorry. Please stop talking.
Yeah, we gotta do is very uncomfortable.
I've noticed especially the Christians in the room.

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No, not that. This is bad.
Hey everybody. Right in, where's Dave crimes?
And a what did you think about wrinkles this?
I loved it. Yeah, I can always count on you.
Are you actually is in your corner.
Where is Carranza? Okay, before we totally leave
that scene though. I just want to bring up when

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Marshall Armstrong is describingwhat Megan did, you know?
He's like, we had these people lined up and he bash somebody
over the head, this isn't the bar in my mind I'm going.
Um, actually, he did it twice. Let's not forget about Abe.
Yeah, no, let's forget, it's fine.
No, let's no, let's not forget about Abe and Sasha was there.
So like that happened. That was a thing too.

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But you know what? That's actually kind of telling
because the fact that he would say that his emphasis was a
pregnant woman and I keep going back to this idea.
Idea of theocracy on Earth that sort of.
Let's establish a moral, a religious framework on Earth.
I can't stop thinking about it ever since I read it.

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Sorry, this is the Matchbox 20 of conversations.
You start singing the song and it's all he can think about your
nowhere. Just can't Ted please, you're
gonna have to call on the Lord to step in, I guess they already

(23:58):
made Charities area, rain, just to stop her.
Lord sent to sign to tell you tostop talking about this by
getting a charity, please snow. But that's his focus.
And so you should be affected bythis because the pregnant lady's
husband got murdered in front ofher.
So, and she's telling this to people who gamble alcohol, drugs

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and whoring the offenses, That he lives off right before he
throws, Michelle herds characterinto the Walkers.
Let's talk about Michelle Heard.Have you heard?
It's Michelle Heard have you heard it?
She was in Star Trek, the card she was on bonus.
Yes, among other things. David, meaning in nuptials with
Garret dillahunt, I'll have you know that she is most famous for

(24:41):
being in an episode of Charmed. I couldn't wait to bring this
up. That's fine, that's fine.
You got here. Yeah, seriously got him.
She played Katya in little box of Horrors.
Thank you. Little box of ours.
Course it was. A course I Charmed episode.

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Anyway she was also Raising Hopewhich I knew that Sharon D would
love and grace. Yes.
Yeah and yeah, she was also on an episode of Bones those
warrants but who wasn't on an episode of procedural slap mean
I was but she's actually most famous for being Monique.
I'm Charlie's in, on top 20 countries and Law and Order SVU

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baby. Yes.
Okay, I know I saw her like moreand more recurring.
Yeah, more recurring roles. He was on that show.
Blind Spot. She was in Ash vs.
Evil Dead. Oh she was in Jessica Jones for
an episode and yet she like diedin this episode, I was so sad.

(25:51):
Ins and she got two seconds. Can I have boot knives?
Please, I want Maggie's boots, so bad.
I have those ads in my life. Those boot knives, fail more
than you think. And in the most spectacular, I
don't care. Dave, I don't care.
They look, I just wanted and what that looks like, you're
like trying to like trying to scratch the back of your leg and

(26:13):
then you're like, I have fuck. Yeah, she went through my leg
told you Tails more often. No, no, I have to freeze.
We get the Dave. It was really cool kid.
Why don't you understand me know?
I thought they were so cool whenI did it, when I stabbed myself
it, right, how's that working out for you?
Well, they had to cut the leg off if you don't think that's
really cool. It's crazy right up until I cut

(26:37):
myself, right? Right up until I impaled myself
on it. Yeah, but I look so cool before
that, you know I could shave my legs with the back of my I'm
still gonna go on this tangent just a little bit not
necessarily Tio but when you look at negan's charges killing
a man just For others. And you look at Negan and he
says, it's not what they say is what he says to Maggie.
I'm asking all of you and the chat is your instinct to believe

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Negan. Yes, over the marshals.
Well, why would he lie to Maggie?
She already knows the worst of him.
Why would he feel the need? Oh no, I'm not a.
I wouldn't do anything like that.
Now she knows fucking better than that.
That's why she went gotten the help.
So I don't feel like that at all.
Now, this is a two-parter. If it was the case that the
marshals were responsible for whatever.

(27:19):
Fate befell, Annie, and her kid.Now, do you believe maybe with
the marshals say, well I guess that would depend on your
perspective, negan's perspectives.
Different than theirs needs perspective.
If they did something to hurt any and his kid then he'd be
perfectly justified in Murder wouldn't be murdered in Cold
Blood. He be getting revenge, right?
So no it wouldn't be the what the Marshals are saying, right?
And, isn't it interesting how the show is in a new way?

(27:40):
Bringing us the concept of remember what they were saying
about Negan. Some of the show Runners are
saying about Negan at the time, had we started Negan out on from
his perspective it would have been a whole lot, we would have
sided with him and here we are. Automatically siding with him
automatically, he's in the bad guy.
But maybe by the end of this, wemight find ourselves in a spot
where well, we don't really know.

(28:00):
But obviously, we're with Rick. I mean, Negan, in this instance,
we've always said like negan's alot of things.
You might not like him, but he'snot a liar.
He's never right lied. Well, I don't think it's about
lying. Well, you're asking if we
believe him, the alternative is he's lying, and we don't believe
him. Mmm.
Okay. Okay.
I also want to say it's been 12 years since.
Well me, what say nine years? Since that shit went down and

(28:20):
he's Experienced a lot and that nine years and I'm sorry, but
the experiences that he's had will change people in their
perspective and how they think about things.
Yeah, he was a piece of shit back in season seven and eight
but maybe he did learn something.
He did change, people can change.
It does happen, especially in the kind of world of the
Apocalypse. Look at how Maggie's changed and

(28:41):
you can't make up for the thingsyou've done.
He's done it, it happened, but it would that was before.
Does he still have the capability of being that person
in the right circumstances? Sure.
But is You that person right now.
I don't think it depends on yourstandard, and if your standard
is Tio, he's not in a place of power anymore, when he was near,
I was in a place of power. He's not that person anymore.

(29:02):
He doesn't have that base. Should he perhaps get that basic
in? Maybe especially if Annie and
his kids are dead. Right?
Right. And, yeah, and you kind of don't
know how what to make of it by then because you want to
sympathize with him, you obviously do.
That's how we start. The series secured said, yeah,
it probably isn't the way they described it.
It probably doesn't matter because when pearly Armstrong
tells the Punishment to Michelleherds character.

(29:23):
That is fishes. It's a far cry from.
What is the thing? When they give you the death
penalty has to be painless. Anyway, you're supposed to put
down, prisoners that get the death penalty within a painless
fashion. They hung people, right, at the
border and displayed them. If hanging is done properly, it
is supposed to be painless and, and even pearly mentions that

(29:43):
that's the least of it. And that's, that's what the
least of what now hanging, him upside down and cutting them in
half. That's not painless some grow.
To head alive and slowly, right?Yes, that was my point.
That's not painless which does challenges your perceptions on
who the good guys are and who the bad guys are two.
It keeps pushing you to and fro.I like that, I don't know who

(30:04):
what's going on here. I mean one of the things we love
about these shows is it's ultimately everybody is gray
Better Call Saul in Breaking Badand game.
Thrones everybody's gray. You don't have good good guys
and bad guys. It's all perspective and it's
all a gray area. Everybody has good and bad in
them. It's not as comic book is you
know, like your superhero As superheroes.
You got your good guys or bad, guys.
This is a very gray area. Yeah.

(30:25):
And as long as the show can keepyou on a track because if you
are stumbling about trying to similar to the conversation
about logistics and in time the passage of time, so too is we
have to be able to glom ourselves onto a, at least as a
guide to say, let's say, Meegan,Meegan Maggie.
Okay, we're following their journey.
Third journey is just enough forme to want to follow them.

(30:45):
And so we do so far, so good. But I still have the voice of
Rachel. My head saying, I just want my
Guys to be good, my bad guys to be bad, so they are going to
have to, in some way. Give us a little glimmer of who
just tell me who I should root for just turning who I should
go. Boo, we don't like you crawl

(31:06):
that bad. How do we know I'm good?
What if they're the best of a bad situation to did?
You see the guy that was runningacross the rooftop?
They were like slicing him up. That number one.
Remember when we worked, we thought that was a walker like a
variant in the teaser fair enough.
It was just like, a couple frames, but that was one of the
dudes, we thought. Oh my God.
He's, it's a, what did we call it a park or it's a park or

(31:28):
variant? Do you remember him?
All I could see. Was Michael Scott, doing
parkour? Not office here.
The gym. Mario says, the craw is great.
I have such high hopes that the character I do.
I love the actor. I don't remember him Croatian.
Yes, he's. But he's the ultimate that guy.

(31:50):
Yeah, he is. He is the That guy and you know
what? I love when I'm just going to
show this to, you know, podcast audience is not going to be able
to understand. I love the way he looks at her.
She kind of looks at him as QE, kind of tilts his head like
this, and until the ride Cox at this way.
Then he creamed again, then Cox it that way.
Then he does a little Negan leanlooks at it this way, but it's
just so smooth and he's talking all throughout it.

(32:11):
He's just such a great actor, you going to zipline.
Thank you, Thomas. Thank you.
It's just not GIF. All right Thomas.
Right. It's a gift.
Yes, Anyway, Thomas is Tio referring to me know me, Sean is
saying not for the most of my life here in Florida.
I think they finally quit using old Sparky and I left.
I have no idea what this ring tofit anyone here.
That would like to carry the electric chair.

(32:34):
I'm not familiar with the term really haul ass.
That's its name old, Ted Bundy. Gotta ride on Old Sparky must be
a southern thing. Even, I knew that just I just I
don't know why I thought of likea dog, it's stupid.
Oh yellow. Told ya, exactly.
Old Sparky, I'm like, oh, what agood dog?

(32:56):
Arguably very mean. Thomas's, we can all agree that
Herschel. Jr.
Is a douchebag, I hate you and love you too.
What personal Junior looks just like a little brown hair.
Ricky Schroder. Ricky Schroder.
Just put some brown hair on him and he looks just like, Ricky
Schroder. Every time I look at, it's all I
can think about when I'm watching it.
He was a silver spoons. All right.
Mom, just said that truck. Yeah, he's a cold.

(33:17):
Drink, I don't see that. I'd like to order.
It? Dave, it's graphical interface.
Not drastical interface, Heather, Heather says cruel and
unusual punishment. That's the term.
Oh, I thought you were trying tothink of the opportunities in
the opposite. Yeah, me too.
I was trying to say it's a far cry from cruel and unusual

(33:37):
punishment getting, you know, cuttings or sorry.
Sawing someone from from crotch to the neck.
Let's take a moment to look at this.
I took, I went to Google maps toactually look at Peter's crab
and Steakhouse Chinese seafood, boil and state Grill.
In New Jersey, Z7 3221, it's outof business.
So I can give you this number. But also the easy Stay motel is
called the Holmdel motor in. And it, literally, it looks like

(34:00):
it's out of a scene from the show.
Pretty cool. This is all filmed right here.
The, the motel, in the middle and the sports bar is the office
here. The sports bar on the right,
it's exactly the way it was filmed.
That's awesome, SEPTA. I noticed that HBO sign is
missing from a Oh it's missing that on the in the show, right?

(34:26):
Yeah I think it took some Liberties blue motoring is
actually an existence Peters hasbeen closed down though so
that's why they were able to do whatever they were able to do.
So I really would like to talk about the intro.
The title sequence. Hmm.
Well I mean, we talked about thepre-show portion right?
Maggie? Mmm.
Yeah. Opening scene.
Right? That's as far as we've gotten.
I loved, I know, I know. So more about tranquil, it is

(34:53):
ordinance anyway. So he ho serpro prohibition for
some reason. Yeah.
Actually, so more about tranquilit is gonna go the title
sequence. I'm asleep.
Let's start with Impressions on the title.

(35:14):
See, I loved it. I loved it.
Loved that told the story of theNew York lips.
Yeah. And I love that it began with
the eye-opening like yeah, awesome was great.
Just like on the revamped title sequence for The Walking Dead.
In a sense we had the bicycle girl clone sort of known across
the in Central Time. Yeah.

(35:35):
Central Park Fountain. That's right.
The not friends Fountain. Yeah, yeah.
No they're not friends cotton. That's right Fountain.
Just like the fact that half zombie was trying to sorry
Chomper. Whatever you want to call it.
It's gross. This is trying to get up there
Kroner. That's a New Jersey slang.
We don't like that. But he's going after the Ravens,
the crows, it's just by the way,but yeah, kind of like the skunk

(36:01):
walks. They just brought me back to the
skunk walkers from King County Fear, The Walking Dead.
I'm like, that's just that's just go for anything.
But let's go speaking of that, Ilike the elk just roaming
around, Manhattan are there dearand Central Park are there dear
and Manhattan? No, so I'm one.
How did the dear L get over there?
I guess they swam across the river.
Over there are the bridges were blown up, bridges are blown up.

(36:25):
It's really good. Deer.
They will know. We have, we have the central
part, I think the Central Park Zoo is still in existence, so it
could be that there's a okay, sotry and who knows?
What else has been breeding as aresult of that too?
Well, I mean, in The Last of Us watched her half.
So yeah, it'll be like that lastof us seen you, but I can't do

(36:46):
that. It's just, you just go up in the
last of all, I would love to see.
A fucking bear or a panther justlike roaming the streets of New
York, tearing shit up. That would be awesome.
Oh man, I hope we're not giving too much away because, wow, that
would be fucking really great, like a fucking great ape or
something. I just want to see a bear to
fucking terrorizing, it's of shit.
That would be awesome. So in this episode and it wasn't

(37:09):
immediately clear to me, I don'tknow when I was first watching,
it was really dark but in the dry cleaning shop near the end
dish. Well one of the Walkers of
course has a plastic bag over. It's indicating that they
probably It itself before it while they were alive.
But the other one or someone didit to them.
Good points, G's going by the terms of this show to the other
one, had a mouse eating. The walker from the inside out.

(37:33):
That was awesome. As it was going over.
John, I didn't know that was a tail.
I thought that was something right.
It was like yeah it was like it was a real honor for some.
Yeah. It was a rattling heard, a
squeak. I heard it squeaking.
I was I heard it's called 20 andthen you could see it.
Yeah, the little head out Point.Yeah.
His, he likes spins around in the mouth and then, pokes his
head out, It was so cool. Oh, yeah. 100%, it just brings

(37:54):
to mind something. That was said, I think Was
Elijah and I said it, and it wasthat.
Well, first of all, the roaches,having Supremacy, but also the
rats like, which makes me a little bit afraid.
I'm not afraid, but like that little sorry, that little thing
that people say, oh, the rats were to have the run of the
place and I'm like, excuse me, excuse me, but I guess it is
post-apocalypse. So it's maybe the new, is it?
New York is just barely holding on keeping the supremacy over

(38:17):
the rats and roaches. Anyway, isn't it?
Well, we And what about all the alligators in the sewers
southern people? You just want alligators, be
everywhere, Jacksonville, go portals and stuff.
I say we have a healthy coexistence Jacksonville might
do better if they had alligator playing on their team.

(38:37):
I don't know, I say they harnessthe alligators for
transportation and it would solve so many problems Gator
skiing. Can I just say as somebody who
lives here in New York this is such a treat for me.
It's literally filmed in New York.
But for the most part, Most are recreated in New Jersey.
I know that they film the lot inNew Jersey, but just it's just
pretty sweet to feel like I'm inthat setting.

(38:59):
And the lights are out by the way.
It kind of reminds me of the fewtimes that I've been alive, when
they've had power outages in NewYork City, the whole City's dark
for the most part. It's quiet depending on where
you are. If you're in Manhattan, the
freezers are going bad. You're giving out ice cream in
the middle of the street which does happen, and it does go back
to what the croat says to Herschel.
It does galvanized the city and we've seen that, we've seen that

(39:21):
In 911, we've seen that across time.
We've seen that during the during the Blackout's that we
used to have. So I am sometimes curious about
what the city would be like, under that kind of Crisis.
And I want to see more of that, that heartens me when the rest
of the world goes to shit. And everybody is treated
treating everybody shitty. I kind of want to see New York
pull together. It's like Spider-Man when when
the guys on the Staten Island Ferry protected, design

(39:41):
identity, I think was the StatenIsland Ferry or knows the subway
when he's holding the subway back, it was web arms and stuff
like that and they're like caring Spider-Man down.
I love seeing that shit too little It's gave him his mask
back, but everything movie. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. On your right, right?
You're right. Rachel.
You're absolutely right. But you know what, I'll take it.
Let's take it fine. That's why we love movies and TV

(40:02):
so much more because real life sucks.
It's true. You see video like the New York
blackout so stuff. And you see people that might be
lucky and still have power have a generator or something and
they set up and let people charge their phones.
And yeah, that how that kind of shit.
Like, I mean, Community does happen when shit like that, goes
down, and that's All they were reporting on to it's so easy to

(40:23):
talk about the badger, like somepeople that through garbage cans
of the glass doors and trying toget all the shit.
When meanwhile, people were justgiving it away.
The, the corner stores are giving away their because it was
gonna go bad anyway. The ice cream, the Popsicles and
stuff like that show his Planet of the Apes meets TW Gene next
week's fan fiction laughs my as well.
Next week's fanfiction might actually come true, walking two,
entrances, roaches, gross me outcompletely 100%.

(40:44):
What did you guys? I was with a lie down with me
and Nicky was like, nope, no, no.
Yeah, same here. I'm not used to that shit.
Fuck. That water bugs my ass.
It's not a water bug. It's a roach bitch.
Anyway I can I'm having I'm having flashbacks.
He's an out here, huh? He's got his boots on from Rocha

(41:05):
Rita's. Anyway.
You guys are making it sound. Like the restaurant is really
gross dirty. We were sitting on the patio.
It was a bug on the patio. Not sing with the restaurant is
amazing. He also visited us on on our
patio while we were sitting outside.
This is true. Yes, came back to taunt me in

(41:25):
your room. Yes, on the balcony.
Yeah. Anyway, Shawn this is
alligators. Aren't that dangerous?
They just get taunted by idiots.Walking their dogs too close to
the water and people feeding their dogs.
Its promises. You don't live in New York, you
live in an uppity suburb of Brooklyn, excuse the fuck out of
me. First of all, Brooklyn is the
most populous Borough in New York City and we are the best.

(41:48):
I know that doesn't mean anything I can say, And it
doesn't mean that it's true, butyou look at this.
Suburb of New York City honest thing.
It talk to me like that. We're gonna fight now it's real.
This is how we talk. Whatever this is, how we express
our love. We just give each other shit.
Shauna says, we're here in Florida.
We just know if there's a water.Stay away.

(42:09):
The mosquitoes are other. Yes.
Mosquitoes are really holes in. Those are assholes everywhere.
Yeah, we have them here. Yeah, yeah.
And imagine if there was no PestControl anymore, fun fact.
The most dangerous animal on theplanet is mosquito.
It's responsible for more deathsthan any other animal on the
planet. Yeah just because of its Reach
by the ways. Has, once Shauna said that, I

(42:29):
just started scratching my ankleinstinctively.
I'm serious right now? I'm like, is it on me is oh no,
there's a bump there. No, it's because you scratch
yourself to death and you start turning into a walker.
Okay. So she says, they found the crew
out to pull together. That is so New York, what?
That's kind of what I was saying, what if the croat is
there Mafia? And that's how they pulled
together, anything is possible, Thomas says Staten Island.

(42:51):
Is where it God would give the u.s. a an enema.
I always call it the polyp of New York.
Stand Island. Now listen, I have nothing
against an island. We like to bust your balls.
Literally, you're on the way to New Jersey.
When we go shopping for tax, free shopping in New Jersey, I
again nothing against you guys and Staten Island.
I'm just a Brooklyn boy. Trying to give you shit.

(43:12):
You can give me shit all you want with our hipsters.
It's fine. I'm giving it to you free of
charge. Don't forget Dave much like that
really bad. Kevin Smith movie.
You are a Jersey girl. Sure.
Can't argue that. I was born in Brooklyn and we
immediately moved to New York City.
New Jersey. Northern New Jersey.
Yeah, until I was 11. Heather says, when I moved down
here, they told me they were palmetto bugs.
Exactly, exactly their roaches there, roaches, you've so right

(43:36):
now, they're water bugs, you shut your mouth, I won't and
Shauna says, roaches in. Palmetto bug and roaches are
different agreed. They don't exist.
They're just all roaches. Wearing different accessories.
That's all they're like, trying to trick.
You one's wearing a funny hat. One is under a palmetto Grove.
That's it. Once palmetto bugs are like two
and a half inches long. And fly.

(43:57):
Roaches. Fly to sometimes.
It's terrifying. I have a whole story about my
friends in her cat and she triedto catch the road and then it
flew and the cat just jumped almost out the window because we
so frightened from this flying fucking roach thing.
I tried to read the blurb, but the bottom of the wanted poster

(44:17):
for Negan and I couldn't get allof it.
All I could get was, do not trust him.
He'll take any action of a Justice, something about
something, shaven prone to extreme violence at the top and
Charisma, do not trust him. He's got Charisma points, but
that's the thing. How do they know all of this is
the question. He mentioned something about
Ginny's, origin. He found refuge in a farm and

(44:37):
the marshals were already after him Ginny GI n NY.
Okay, we have another Ginny in the universe.
Just dropping that out there. Jenny wanted to go with him
after witnessing. Her father's death by people,
not by Walkers, not by animals, and so he was already wanted at
that time too. So whatever it was, it might
have been earlier on in his travels from, let's say our
group and whatever happened along the way with Annie maybe

(45:00):
again with the marshals I know. I'm not sure I'm assuming, maybe
the marshals hung, her dad upside down and sawed in half
all the way through. And that's why she freaked out
because that would be pretty fucking freaky to find if you
found your dad hanging upside down sawed in half.
Well, yeah. But what happens to absolute
power right? In this world going back to
Trinkle is so Jacobs this ordinate.
My egging it on no no no I realize that but somebody has to

(45:23):
say no they don't but it's GottaBe It's gotta be met.
Don't bring JT into this. He's a little too late for that
Matchbox 20, JT is no one safe from drink.
With this organization that getsto parley Armstrong, he reminds
me of a meal. The way he speaks and everything

(45:45):
and dressed The Peculiar syntax that he has the same.
Well, that's a social contract and we entered into that social
guy kind of thing. I don't smoke.
I don't drink and I like a good Hogs to.
That's yeah. With Tabasco sauce Walter.
You know though there's something about that though, do
you think maybe? Okay, this is going to be just a

(46:07):
wild thought. But do you think maybe a meal
was part of this order? This new Babylon Federation at
some point then just decided to go Rogue out west any kind of
idiot. Like I don't even think it
existed when a meal was bounty hunting there's a huge time
discrete. Yeah true.
But maybe they started early. I mean like assuming that they
lasted as long as they did in terms of trying to Stablish some

(46:28):
sort of order to be able to do what they're doing.
They've had to have existed at least for a while, maybe a few
years at least. So I guess it's in the realm of
possibility. I mean, they look exact in terms
of the dress they look exactly. Like would you wouldn't you say
very similar? Look yes, but I wonder if that's
just like the this is the BountyHunter starter pack in Cosplay.

(46:52):
You get a leather duster, you get a hat.
I want to Spirit Halloween and picked up the same house.
Often literally gonna say that they did a Spirit Halloween
inside. Hey that's what I am now.
I'm a bounty hunter. I'm a marshal.
Want to fight with the same? What does the costume say?
Douchebag, Who Wants To Be A Cowboy?
Whatever. Anyway, tré, cool.

(47:13):
Is our Dennis, Dave, this is cruel and unusual punishment.
We haven't gotten there yet. You can't handle it.
The bracelet. I need there's an ease I think
we're piecing together. The things that aren't said.
I'm Sure. The redshirts dead.
I'm not holding my breath to seeAnnie.
Again, I said back in the season, 11, see that she was a

(47:36):
fucking red shirt was going to be dead.
I guess I just waited until after the show, the reddest of
red shirts. You basically put in an order
and the wheels of progress. Finally got to your order and
made it happen for this show. There was no urgency to find
her. He seemed to know, right where
she is plus, the I got what I deserved.

(47:56):
Hmm, long II. Paid for what I did.
Essentially my guess is we're going to have a loop here in or
a full circle type thing and thecrow.
I beat her to death with a baseball bat or something and
took his kid that would be kind of poetic wouldn't it?
And that would be right paid forit.
We all assume that what pearly is saying was about Glenn and

(48:19):
Maggie, but could it have been Negan and Annie that they were
talking about? Well except know that, why not
know probably was talking about what Negan did not well, yeah,
but to him, but who is Negan in this scenario?
Is it the croat because he's doing the whistle.
He has a picture of Negan. Well, he got some people do in
the we are, we are me and they have right.

(48:40):
I'm thinking the croat is the one who spread the story about,
Negan. You see what I'm saying?
Rachel in England to death, the only reason why we think that is
because just earlier, we got thevisual of that event happening
in Maggie's. Nightmare, let's say in Herschel
being carried away, but what if the show was saying, no, no, no,
these are separate things. Maybe Negan is one who was
victimized and then to top it all off.

(49:02):
They blamed it on Egan. That's not the kind of thing.
He would even tell Maggie. He wouldn't say like, I know,
because I suffered the exact same thing you did, because he
wouldn't want to compare pain, right?
He wouldn't, he wouldn't want him.
So I I mean, maybe that's what happened, maybe they pinned it
on Negan and that's why he's on the run, but it was really the
crow II and the croat maybe works with the Marshals or at
least the magistrate and they pinned it on him and they said,

(49:23):
hey we can describe him Soup To Nuts.
We live with this guy for a couple years.
I just picture the cross it likein the acts like a bonnet like
it's a woman like I am needed. Oh I'm Maggie and it killed my
husband, right? In front of me, my Blu-ray has

(49:45):
were watching behind me, you know, this Tranquility is
ordinance but here's the second question and this might be a
little exciting maybe this series might answer some of the
question that we had we made assumptions that maybe some of

(50:06):
the savior's went to the whisperside.
But what if the savior's that remained didn't all perish?
Except for Richie Big Rich? G we saw in season 9 but what if
they all went to Manhattan? What if they said they went with
a croat and said fuck it. So this is absolutely our newest
purse because we know some of those saviors went with the
Whispers to you know, it's technically not canon to I mean
it's just the actors the background actor.

(50:28):
So but it could answer this longtime, question that came in
Canon that we all had about this.
Where did they go? What happened to them?
There's the assumption that theydied.
I don't think they all went withhim, but I think that maybe a
portion enough. Yeah.
And if and if he started all over again from You can screw
and started taking in more people and maybe took on some of
the runoff from the new Babylon Federation that didn't want to

(50:50):
get on board and they're like, fuck this, this religious
Theocratic harsh, cruel and unusual punishment shit, just
for drinking or smoking or gambling, or whoring.
This is the New World Order. Fuck that shit.
Let's go. Let's go with the savior's.
Let's take the other option thatcould have been it and then if
you get enough numbers after howmany years seven thousand years
that were in the future 15 I don't know at this point 15

(51:10):
maybe it's possible team right? So in that That amount of time.
Anything is possible? So Thomas says, I'm good.
I just want to say this right now.
Maybe the croat is Annie. Anyway, Shauna says we are all
Negan and we're not that we might not be that far off.
Thomas is Dave sometimes the building on fire is just a
building on fire? No tranquil.
This ordinance Shauna says, except for me, he took he took

(51:32):
out my favorite. I would shut his shit down.
Maggie, couldn't even need to doanything Thomas's.
We are all the croat walking to Turtle says, if they went to The
Whispers Alpha and beta would have killed him on sight that
Not a bad observation. Actually, because do you think
the savior's would have in real life like knowing the savior's?
Would they have copped onto the Whispers Antics?
Ideally. They caught on the negan's.

(51:53):
Yeah. I think it depends because
there's the savior's that were like the soldiers.
And then there were the people that just lived in the
sanctuary. So but I think natural
selection. Would it be the mount?
I could see a lot of the savior's, not the Lieutenant's
but just average people washing out because they just can't
drive with these people. I mean, if you have survival
Instinct, you're going to do whatever it takes to survive.
Well, Let's just put that all that aside going back to the

(52:15):
question. Do you think this is the answer
that we've been looking for all this time?
But this is what happened to thesavior's know.
Essentially, the same jewelry itself though.
I don't know. I'm going to be hard because of
that. I mean like what we may be a
couple but no. Yeah, no.
Okay, charity some went their own way, some went to the crow
at some went to The Whispers, some went and did their own
thing. Some went to Commonwealth.

(52:36):
I mean, who knows? Some went to fucking CRM, some
went to campus Colony. I don't know.
Some went down to fear hung out and takes us away.
And maybe the worst of the worstwent to Manhattan establishes,
New saviors order, it's possible.
And if the show goes this, in this direction, it might be
well, exactly what Maggie says, if this is the sort of thing
that you can't put to bed this sort of thing because it's

(52:56):
beyond you you did something in front of a bunch of people.
Some of the sages in Judaism hadmentioned something about.
Well, when you speak ill of somebody, it's like taking a
feather pillow and tearing up ina town square and there's winds
that are blowing the feathers around everywhere.
Well, it's not about the thing that you said that pertains to
them. You can always try to apologize
to that. Asin.
But you can't take back everybody else who heard you

(53:16):
speak ill about that person. Ologies, don't spread nearly as
quickly as the insults, right? Exactly.
And it's in the memory of a bunch of people, not just the
victims but the people around, who enabled that act.
And so it's in their memories. Well, it's this monster and
legend that persists Beyond you.So you can't take it back.
It isn't something that you can easily put to bed.
It's the nightmare of everybody in this world.

(53:36):
Now it's just something to thinkabout that.
Maybe this horror from just a select few of Savers that went
off and maybe felt betrayed by Can forgetting captured.
And so, where's our leader? And so the croat stepped up in a
power vacuum said, hey, let's fucking let's do our thing.
So and I don't know if you noticed, but he has his ear
burned off to similar to like a light.
I'm pretty sure he and I aren't him.

(53:56):
Did that. Yeah, hundred percent
particularly harsh psycho. That's what he said, something
like that. Yeah, Mitchell says, when the
crowd said you're going to like it here to Herschel I was like
no stay away from him. He sounded creepy in that that
was just kind of some kind of some kind of perv.
What did you think about that line?
You're gonna like it here. Here, actually, it sounds like
Billy Christine sarcastic. You know what that makes sense,

(54:20):
Dave? Because whoever was crawling on
the rooftop looked very much like Billy Crystal's wife in The
Princess Brock, right? That's all ya.
Gotta love it here, they do a crispy Bagel.
It's Carol, Kane, it's care. Okay, right Carol, uh-huh.
What I think he meant was, he knows that her soul is parents
were both badasses, and if he can turn her soul to his side's,

(54:40):
and he's got a hell of a warriorsomatic, if he can figure out.
Out some way to get her Salon tohis side or at least to become
one of his people. And I give you the run of the
place, I'll let you do what you want.
Kind of like Dwight, right? He can be as the white via
secondhand, you know, something like that or the Herschel from
the comic books and this own version of that.
Maybe I don't want to believe it.

(55:00):
That's 100% true. I think Rachel's face says, she
doesn't want to believe it. Sean.
This is out of the four of you who would still be around in,
which group did you join? Oh, I'ma travel down the stairs.
I'm a, I'm a groaner. I'll go back.
To my jersey Roots. That's the group all doing, I
went and found dr. Everett and started doing some
like scientific research out andthing, but then when they dug

(55:22):
the trench, I made sure I was onThe Human Side.
Not on the side, right? For the Savage side, I'm hanging
out like University or something, reading some books on
the other side of the trench. Sean says, what?
If Maggie's luring Negan as a deal to the cry which is
something I wrote in my notes that her initial thing?
Yeah. She's in such a crazy thing.

(55:42):
She was going to trade me go AndI think Negan knows it.
Okay to. Yeah, I think so too.
That's why he's asking for the reassurance that she'll take
care of Jenny. Personally, Jimmy.
Yes Ginny. Can we take just a minute, just
a minute. I just yeah.
That name. Yeah.
When Armstrong has her pinned down.
She's so like frantic as one would be.

(56:04):
She says like I need him. That has more there's more to
that. Yeah.
Thank you. I firmly am convinced that it's
I hadn't considered it but now that You said it?
Yeah, that sounds very, very plausible.
Yeah. Wait, what do you mean we?
Hold on. Now we have to qualify because I
thought you meant Herschel, but you meant Negan.
Right, what do you think? What do you think that means to
trade? She needs Negan to trade for

(56:25):
her? Now that would be gross.
Don't bring your kid into the haebang.

(56:48):
No, I meant Negan. Come on, man.
I need, I need him to say, meighan out of context reaction,
obviously. But, I mean, look, I like to
joke about the hate bang. I don't think it's going to
happen. I've honestly, what I like it
just because I want to watch everybody lose their shit over
it. Yes.

(57:08):
But do I think it's gonna happen?
No. Oh, the tweets.
That would occur honest. We know, I just want, I want to
watch the fandom like proton itself when it happens, but it
would burn my own hero just to not hear it disappear from
social media for like a month, Rachel where are you?

(57:28):
You're not sometimes a girl got needs, you know what I'm saying?
And you could do worse. You know what I mean?
Yeah, I don't think she could. Yeah, we'll say one thing, I
don't think she could somebody and I think it was Eli szura.
And I said, Crower Would be better than they have chemistry.
They do, they have great chemistry.
I'm sorry. Great chemistry.

(57:48):
I'm not pulling everything out of my ass.
It's season 11. They had some serious Sparks.
I was not the only one that noticed it.
Do I ever think it's really gonna happen know?
And that's the thing, like, after watching this episode
like, okay, of course it's it doesn't feel appropriate,
doesn't feel right and we're just taking a break from the
honest-to-goodness seriousness of this episode, the intensity
of this. I mean, it could be like a

(58:10):
salmon Diane situation where it's like, I hate you slap.
I hate you slapping and they just want, isn't that the very
definition anyway, but going back to that scene though.
And again, I have to go back to it.
The idea of who the good guy andthe bad guy, is she pleads with
him? She's obviously, at a
disadvantage, she pleads with him.
She says, took perlier Armstrong.

(58:30):
He's she says it's my son. They have my son, and I need him
for essentially, for my son. And then there's this weird
pause, he pauses, and then he just continues to try to
strangle her with his rifle. Is, if I don't care, I don't
care. Claimed to be the moral
Authority but I just don't care.You are aiding and abetting or
if she's such a piece of shit that she's breaking bones

(58:51):
everywhere, she goes and leavinga trail of Destruction behind
her. What kind of kid is she going to
have right cares? If you save your kid or not,
it's a belief in moral absolutes, it's black and white
to him. There is no Grave Just War
Theory. That's what it is.
It's exactly what he says the johno when they leave the bar he
says it's not like I wanted to do this but we have to do this
so I don't get enjoyment out of this.
This is what we have to do. Because if If we don't do this,

(59:14):
the stability of the tree-lined streets of New Babylon, capital
city. I think that's what it's going
to Babylon City or something. Anyway, all of that ends up
collapsing. That's why he feels he has to do
this. All this order that we built a
over the course of years, just starts collapsing, because
people want to do exactly what they've been able to do all
these years 15 years, whatever is in the apocalypse and that's
me trying to sympathize with himbut otherwise I am just

(59:37):
comfortably sitting here. Judging this man for what he's
doing. He shoots the junior Marshal
Jano it does look like it. Means him, but he almost looks
as though he's blaming Negan forhaving done it.
So, I have mixed feelings. I've totally mixed feelings
about this guy. Louis said, I heard Stephen
Aguas coming to the show true orfalse?
I don't think so. What do you guys think?
Unless it's a flashback of some kind, it would have to be a

(59:58):
flashback. You said, yeah, this isn't fear.
No, what I mean is, well, like, I mean, like a newly film.
Seen a retroactively film. Yeah, who'd seen or something
like that. That's, that's what I meant.
I do love him so I would not be opposed to it.
But yeah, I would be down for that.
They'd have to retcon the crow aquiet.

(01:00:19):
Yeah. And in a competition, who do you
root for Simon or the croat so far, you have to compare crazy
Simon Wright. Who would I follow?
Or who's a better? What do you mean if you had a
choice and you were a saver? Who would you follow first the
croat or Simon? Oh, right.
It's a tough. It's a tough question, Simon.
I don't know. No more charismatic.
We haven't seen enough of the croat to this.

(01:00:40):
I would, I might follow the croat, over Simon because he
seems like He has better planning.
Syme was all about killing everybody.
Simon had a temper? Yeah, something to think about
though, but we don't know enoughabout the croat.
He might have an even shorter fuse, we don't know.
Thomas is hey banging, episode 2, obviously lying and Lisa
would announce myself from the fandom.
She said, hey babe, Sean's as I would not be okay with me and

(01:01:01):
Maggie XXX. I don't know is no limit to what
I would probably launch. Any Maura says, if that happens
I wouldn't blame her. She'll going croat scroop, okay?
That would do it to say the least.
And he says, I feel like anyone who claims to be the moral
Authority is never the moral authority to exempt.
Thomas says quote. I'm not going to kill you
Sheriff because you're a husbandand father and Negan just ask me

(01:01:24):
how many husbands and fathers I've killed and I don't want to
add to the list. So I'm going to run.
That was that was a monologue. We met if it was if this was a
fear episode that would have been her monologue.
Gotcha? Right.
In that moment, where he let himgo.
Gotcha. I can just ask me how many
perfect and I did. That's the scene.
He was talking to me about it. That's how here would have done

(01:01:46):
it. And yeah Shauna says Louis Me,
Maybe tales of the Walking Dead you know that would be cool
seeing a Simon one off. I would love that.
He was a meter maid or a US postal service worker.
That's my theory, just very drudging.
Fuck, you work. And oh, hey, sweet.
Oh oh, okay, hey, what's up Monica?

(01:02:07):
Stephen, they say, hey, y'all much love for me, mrs.
Sweet. Y'all talking about the
savior's. Those guys.
Yeah. And yeah, those guys.
Guys well we see you with the crow at Stephen is that where
you are and in India it wouldn'tbe able to tell us about it.
I mean he could say that he's there, I mean that he's he was
entails. If you guys remember, you can
watch the episode, Devon got a good feature to walk into

(01:02:29):
Eternal says, I sure as hell wouldn't join Simon.
That's exactly right. I'd rather join some of that was
a little bit more organized and less bloodthirsty.
We did a little bit, I guess even says definitely low, you
know, I'm gonna keep your eye onyou.
I remember that. He was straight okay.
There is a sign as they're walking in the beginning.
Next to the Trap. That says Dawn, Lincoln Center

(01:02:49):
come kill with us. Do you think that's that?
We will see what that means. I do rafidhi away with you.
It's a bulletin board. Isn't it though.
Something that your mind made methink of a strong at your on
part one. And part two, when O'Carroll was
down in the subway and he saw the world it reminded me of the
Warriors, the movie, The Warriors, which the savior's

(01:03:12):
have always reminded me. A of the Warriors, the like
whistle, you know, I don't know.Something heads like something
about the dissonance. Yeah.
But in relation to this universe, do you think it means
something? Do you think it means that
somebody's trying to say to somebody else?
Yeah. Meet me here.
We're going to start killing, maybe to make money.
Do you think we might see what that means later on?
I think I don't think this is one of those things that it's

(01:03:34):
not for nothing. Oh, I think it's okay.
If it's for nothing. Yeah, I'm okay with that, too.
I feel like there's a lot of things that are not for nothing
about the series because somebody explain the trap to me,
I did not see how Deegan? Yeah, dude, figure out, that was
a trap because of the water bubbling the bubbling.
Yeah, I didn't. I was like, what?
And like, the sidewalk was wet. I mean, I saw like, a big thing

(01:03:56):
that looks like a net that might, like, snatch them up or
something and then some pots that would make noise that part
was a clear sign that it was a yeah trap.
But right, the water bubbling iswhat caught his eye.
The only thing I could think is that the water bubbling meant
that there was airflow underneath?
If that and so that would tell you that there was a hole there,
but there are holes everywhere because the sewer system system

(01:04:19):
exactly. And a sewer system I get it I
think if it had been done in anyother setting, it would have
been fine but because it was NewYork City was like a little bit
convoluted. Although my opinion, maybe there
is more to it though. Maybe I did the water stain.
Look like a shape to you becauseit looked like a jumping animal,
like a jumping squirrel or something to me, like, when they
showed the overhead shot of the water stain on the ground, maybe

(01:04:41):
it wasn't for for But maybe for Animals now, rather than I have
no idea understand this. Well, look like to me, I don't
know if it means anything, but regardless maybe this is one of
those things Negan knows about because he knows he's in a safe.
Okay, Thomas has Ordnance air bubbles incorrect.
It's, it's kind of religious organization and here's one of

(01:05:04):
their principles obvious half willing to say that it he knows
about it because he is a savior and maybe that's one of his
style of traps or Maybe it's something that they would
typically do out there in wherever they were Virginia
whatnot. Maybe that's why he knows about
it. When that make sense?
Once it was pointed out, didn't it look super up, hold on a
minute. Bridget rights.

(01:05:24):
Ha ha ha. After having left in the chat.
What is wrong with you? Ha ha ha.
Also, it's just I really wanted.I really found it funny.
Rachel's far as what you said. Maybe it's because this dark out

(01:05:47):
in the city. People just walking along,
wouldn't notice Linda pots and pans and stuff hanging.
Right, right? Right.
If we can get it out right afteryou saw it, you but like, oh
duh, is it a walker trap? Because wouldn't Walkers, be way
more likely to walk into it, than a person.
Here's why I think it's for people is because of the pots
and pans, the pots and pans are to draw Walker's.

(01:06:10):
Also, it's hidden. And the Walkers were just
walking through. Again using the pots and pans go
officer than other walkers. You don't need to build it.

(01:06:44):
They speak Croatian eyes. It's a Croatian, very attached.
A blessed week is the subway system still extant since they
bombed. All the tunnels and everything.
And I title sequence, there's a derailed Subway, yeah, - all
that, but that doesn't mean thatwe're gonna see that, right?
There's many rails to sure. I can see that I want to talk
about the reigning Walker's because I think that was the
coolest part of the episode. Oh, when they were making noise

(01:07:06):
on this is raining. And there's and the Walkers were
just following walking off the roofs and out of Windows and
shit. That was awesome.
And he's like, no, it's rainy Walker's now Walkers are found
in the sky. It was cool.
But do you have a theory about what was happening?
They were making noise down on the street and so the Annie
Walker's that were like, in apartments or on roofs or
whatever, we're walking or sound.

(01:07:26):
And they were they were that loud, dude, lights out in New
York City dummy, knocked over that trash can lid.
Yeah. John.
Oh, that was it. Then he tripped and fell to he
tripped over. That metal post to I had thought
that Crow ads. People saviors.
Whoever they are. Were wishing them.
Well, I corralling In that direction to cure just said, I
swear it seemed like I was tossing those Walkers.

(01:07:47):
I got that impression as well. I would, I felt like somebody
was leading them. It sounds much sadder to me to
think that it wasn't because what the crowd says to Herschel
at the end was that New York City was at the epicenter and
what they decided to do right away was immediately.
Yeah, Bridges and tunnels. So what happened to the people?
Yes, of course, at the end of the day they galvanized, but in
the meantime, the heard that's walking around Manhattan

(01:08:08):
perpetually people that were trapped and trying to Hole up in
buildings, that you can see. From the distance have holes in
them, but the top and on the sides and a burnt-out and as
Walker's, bang on them because you're like, well, why wouldn't
they all have already fallen outof the windows?
Well, they have to bang against the windows and after years of
banging against the windows whenthey hear noises, eventually
some of them break. And if you've got millions and

(01:08:28):
millions of people in tall buildings whenever they hear
noises, they bang on a Windows eventually, they're going to
start crumbling and falling out of the windows.
Yeah you have to keep in mind inthis city these buildings are
semi continuously maintained youhave people constantly on this
outside re fabbing Sure. Is you have buildings that are
of a certain height that need constant maintenance on the
Windows themselves because the parents building Sway in the

(01:08:50):
wind at a certain height, I feltit and it's fucking freaky, it's
so freaky. Another reason I had kind of
thought that and I could be completely wrong.
But this is what I heard this ishow I interpreted when they're
all huddled in that little scaffolding for those doors?
No no no for the scaffolding. Yeah they're looking on that
doorway? Yes the Del Monico they're

(01:09:10):
standing there. Even the caption say no choice.
Um Kind of noise to me, it sounded like an elevator or
something. Like somebody was lowering down
these Walkers and then like release them into this room and
then they showed up at that window.
It's the Hang Time. Delmonico's is a restaurant and
it sounded to me like they were walking like through pot banging
pots and pans and stuff, coming through the restaurant, to get

(01:09:32):
to the door and then they bangedup against the door because it
was cling and clang. You coming is what it sounds
like metal sounds. I heard elevator that was
kitchen sound to me. Yeah, classic Foley.
Mon, I didn't notice it at first, but the second watch, I
was watching on a much larger television and they were
cracking the window. Mmm, right.
Right at the end before they fled, right?

(01:09:53):
One thing that Elijah and I mademention of this is not at the in
the episode Insider but it was in a previous interview, pay
attention to what they're wearing to.
So dress is not typical. Yeah.
What does that mean? Suits and ties Blazers fancy
dresses. Things like that.
Typical in New York City. Yeah.
People would dress like that allthe time in Manhattan but see
their Manhattan. The The population grows during

(01:10:14):
office work hours. So I'm guessing most of the
people who would be wearing suits and ties of fancy dresses
and whatnot would be leaving Manhattan at the end of the work
day and going home. So, most of them were at home.
That's why there's not a milliondead people in Manhattan.
Because most of the people went home to their homes outside of
Manhattan before the bridges andshe got blown.
That's the question. Did creeping midday that's wild?

(01:10:35):
I didn't even think about that. And imagine if you're in the
blast radius and you die instantly, you get up and you're
in your work clothes. Undead, walking.
Around in Delmonico's, clanking pots and pans.
Apparently in your fancy outfits, I loved the scene where
they first came onto the New York city streets.
You guys remember how like we'retalking about walking dead?
Favorite episodes? I said that the first episode is

(01:10:58):
one of my all-time favorites because of the emptiness, the
quiet, it's really ominous and 28 Days Later beginning of that,
moving for the same reason, it gave that and I was so excited
because I wasn't expecting it, especially from the title
sequence, they do like the The pullback shot on the
intersection and it's filled with Walker's much like the

(01:11:18):
Atlanta aerial shots that we gotin the second episode of with
Katie's in The Walking Dead. Yeah.
So I wasn't expecting like how ominous that was?
It was, it was really cool. Yeah, I do want to go back to
the just the subway scene in thetitle sequence.
There's something I liked about that a lot.
It showed sort of passage of time, it shows the subway tunnel
and above it. The street had crumbled above
it. There's a hole in it and in that

(01:11:39):
whole snow had come in, it's showing winter in New York City
Post. The bombing would say and there
was just something so almost I don't know if it's Cloverfield
or I don't know but like the idea that time had passed winter
was falling. This is the remnants of New York
City and just like the idea of snow and light coming into the
subway tunnel from above and into this wreckage and stuff.
I did. There was something so cool
about that that we were inhabiting or having this

(01:12:02):
feeling or mood about the city over time, how a city that was
bustling Millions upon millions of people every day, going
through the subway, tunnels. Going to work from work to work
home and now it's empty. And now it's derailed.
We've talked about that before. We talked about that, with Last
of Us with the overgrown scenery.
We've talked about that in Walking Dead.
Chernobyl right, right, right. The Wizard of Oz Park that was

(01:12:23):
in the mountains of North Carolina.
Right? Right.
Albin. Were you done the old and
Courtney parks that are overrun.That I've just been like
abandoned, like frontierland andstuff.
Those ones were abandoned and sothey like over grew in it.
There's just something really spooky about seeing man's effect
on Earth, returning, to nature, for me that's home.
And so that's weird. That's what it is for me.

(01:12:43):
And I know you're reading Thomasand good Lord Dave is going back
to the beginning of the episode,that's what we do know.
He said, trust me, you've talkedabout everything.
You know what the irony of that is that statement is you're
still here. You just want to see a dumb shit
and he's like, this episode is so long john.
I'm still going, you're still here.

(01:13:03):
There's something I'm doing or the bridge.
You know what it is? No, he knows, you know what it
is, Morgan. You know what?
You know what it is. He's waiting.
He's trying to get you to laugh again.
So to laugh at his jokes fuckingjumps.
It's like, how much, how much gold can I squeeze into this

(01:13:26):
podcast ordinance? He's got real suckers with me
and Rachel here. Yeah, exactly.
I'm trying to keep it, everyone else.
Entertains just well, it's accurate as Laughing.
I don't see you typing it though, in the atlas that Maggie
drops out of the When she kicks that guy in the face and drives
off, when Harley picks it up andhe's looking at it, it

(01:13:48):
highlights making Macon Georgia Georgia, which a I did not know
this myself. I heard somebody else say it is
where the Telltale Games take place in season 1 and make
incorrigible and it's also the approximate location of
terminus. Oh, okay.
Wow, I knew that was significantfor some reason, but I'm like I
didn't even write in my notes and like there's something to
this shit. I wrote something about Jano.

(01:14:09):
Being Randall in this scenario. What not another row.
Randall. He's literally proposing.
The same scenario as Rick and the rest of the crew did when it
came to Randall, like, okay. But if he goes, and he'll tell
her really about the farm and same thing with John, oh, that
was the start of me, trying to figure out like, oh, wait is
Maggie. The good guy?
Is Negan. The good guy?
Who's the bad guy here? Because when that proposal came

(01:14:30):
about Randall in The Walking Dead, I was very torn.
There's that moral part of you, that's like, okay, he's not a
threat, maybe he won't tell and then he shows up on his mazal.
Several years later. Yeah.
For a sec. It's easy to forget that.
That's, that was the guy said. Anyway, many Jon Bernthal.
I loved all of the bodies in thewater as they're taking the boat

(01:14:52):
through and out. He was like it's a short swim
Back To The Shore Beach a. But you do swim through b
fucking idiot. Dead dead bloated floating
Walker's. It was like Titanic if sunk in
Florida or something like in warm water, mood 100 lb load
instead of Frozen together. Can you imagine?

(01:15:14):
It made me just think like you're gonna get typhoid.
That's like all I'm gonna be reverser getting typhoid on this
ride. Over you thought the water
around New York was dirty now. I mean, you left.
The East River was bad now, the Hudson terrible.
Oh, so what is the state of Hilltop?
She mentions that he burned it down asshole, but it sounds like

(01:15:35):
so confusing. There was so kind of why I
wanted to bring that up. Yeah, I went and looked back
online. I was like, wait, I thought she
rebuilt. Hilltop because she did because
Darryl shows up there as a commonwealth Soldier.
Right? Very confusing.
I don't know if it was just likea jab at like you did do this at
one point because he did burn itdown.

(01:15:56):
I'm sure it was never to the same quality or whatever, but
the Commonwealth did take it over at one point.
I don't know. It was very confusing.
It was rebuilt. So I don't know why that was
what she said. So do you think that part of the
reason why they Kate. It was due to the croat attack
that they did. Breach the walls of new Hilltop

(01:16:17):
in the same location but new Hilltop.
That's what I was wondering. Yeah that's kind of easy but I
can't see Maggie waiting very long to go after Herschel and I
can't see her. Also leaving everybody to set up
a new place after just moving and then Syndicate there with no
protection or anything. I could see her being like
because the crop ruined it that's on you Negan.
Oh, okay. Yeah.
What are the odds that like the croat also burned it down,

(01:16:41):
right? And then Virginia is a And way
for the, croat to reach, right? Yeah, that's a pretty long way
for him to go. So I think it was more she moved
because maybe they just couldn'tmake it viable again.
I mean maybe that too many things went wrong, that's what
two carriages said. I think they have to rebuild it,
but after The Whispers And then being burned down, they couldn't
grow crops while they just ran it down too much, it's not worth

(01:17:03):
rebuilding plus. There's not super great memories
there. Either, you know, move somewhere
else, start over again and Barrington house was done
torched. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Maybe they wanted to be a Little
closer to the Commonwealth. Because the Commonwealth is
north of Virginia, right? Northwest of Virginia.
So maybe there's somewhere in between the Commonwealth and new
Babylon, they rebuilt. Their because what was left

(01:17:23):
around Hilltop but Alexandria which to use the same logic that
we applied to Fear, The Walking Dead.
That was the only part that feltlike fast travel at least, to
Me. Maybe the only reason why they
did that, just to give a little bit of cover for that, because
it was a little confusing. You weren't sure where you were,
oh, is this Hilltop, is this newHilltop?
Where are we? How fast did we get here?
I thought the opposite Dave, I was like oh, thank God, they

(01:17:46):
showed the passing of time by begin a vehicle.
So now I know that they've driven a ways that to me, was
actually better than what, we'vebeen deal.
They actually showed a time and then it was nighttime, right?
And then it was daytime again, it wasn't just yeah, daytime.
And Then daytime two weeks lateror where however, much later, it
was, the only thing is that I didn't know where we were.

(01:18:07):
Are we on the way to? We don't know where New Babylon
is but I was just like, well, maybe I'll find out It's just
chalking it up to like, maybe that will be explained later.
Maybe that's the point. It's purposeful that we don't
know where it is. Maybe that's there's a Mystique
about it, but that is the only thing I can think of, obviously,
somewhere adjacent to Manhattan.But is it though, is it obvious
Shauna. Says that the reason Maggie said

(01:18:29):
that about Negan was because shewas convincing herself of how
bad he was to do this trade, she's trying to remind herself.
This is the guy that killed my husband.
This is the guy that wrecked my home.
This is the guy who's taken everything from me, and they're
gonna justify what. He's doing the closing of the
back window, trying to block herself from seeing all these
bits and displays of humanity from Nagin, for knowing that

(01:18:50):
she's going to trade him. And yeah, thank you.
Good point, Nichkhun even makes a point of saying I thought we
put the shit to bed, right? But you won't get the backpack
back up. Yeah, which kind of goes to
something that fear. The Walking Dead has been doing
same as Madison. Let's just compare Negan to
Madison. What are you living for?
And, you know, in a sense these are ghosts that had their
family. Let's say Annie's dead and her

(01:19:11):
child. These are ghosts that are
roaming the Earth. What is the point of them?
And, you know, Negan does find purpose in Jenny, but I can see
a world. And where Negan says, well, this
is a greater purpose. I know this person and her son
and I am responsible for her husband's death, and I Know It.
And I've expressed my heartfelt honest about that a couple of
times at least to her face and once behind the scenes, which
really got her and you do see this also in see the nth like

(01:19:34):
near the end of season 11, he gives his life for Annie and
everybody else. He steps up and tries to be the
hero and Zeke comes in gets his back.
So you see that he's capable of doing this.
Self-sacrificial, shit for the sake of everybody.
So, of course it follows that hewould do the same here, too.
She's in a bad state. I'm just going to do this.
There's no point in me living. Now, everything that I fought
for is actually, has been taken away from me.
So this is the thing. Maybe, if I get close enough, I

(01:19:55):
really can be here. I would take this fucking
douchebag out to even if it takes me out at the same time,
maybe I can rid the world of proat the same time and really be
there. Oh, and here's the thing, all
the while you have the marshals running around and you're
wondering who is worse, even if you do take out the croat that
clears the way for these fuckersthese crazy.
Psychotic just War Theory fuckers to take over Manhattan.

(01:20:16):
Make things a whole lot worse. Who do you root for?
Who is the good guy? Who is the bad guy?
I love it. I but also damn, this is tense.
Thomas has lots of edit. This podcast is for Davis and
tears. As apparently Commonwealth has
an Ohio. She says I feel like it's either
Jersey or Delaware. Oh the new Hilltop maybe PA.
That's kind of what I was thinking but I think again it's
really hard to tell. Mario says not in PA for sure.

(01:20:37):
Is that because the Rick Grimes Theory the city in the distance
Summit. Anyway, Emily says I love to for
them to actually This instead offlip-flopping.
Oh, I'm good. Oh, I'm bad all the time.
Maybe then actually believe him,you know, absolutely fair.
But I like the fact that we haveall these little external forces
pushing against both of these characters because we don't know
where they're going to where they're going to go.
And we don't know if it's as simple as taking out the croat

(01:20:59):
and bringing home partial because of these Marshals
because of the world around them, we haven't met all the
other outside forces that they're going to encounter along
the way. Include this crazy lady, which
is anybody have anything to say about this wife, from The
Princess, Bride cocaine, Thomas referred to her as As the lady
with Beetlejuice sick, that was like some video game looking
shit though, right? When they're laying around

(01:21:19):
anymore? Well, and all you can see is
the, the little bit like, say you're playing a video game in
your darkroom, and all you have is a flashlight and all you can
see is the little bit that you can light up with the flashlight
and then all of a sudden, somebody's right there, not just
the right. But like right there, I was.
So there's somebody right there and then she blew out the math
on that was good. That's just crazy.
I don't think she's gonna be bad.

(01:21:40):
No, I don't think she's bad. I think she's gonna like help.
Through the city or some shit like that, but it just the way
they introduced her was, it was spooky and cool and she can
obviously navigate the buildingsbecause first, we saw her on the
rooftop and now we see her down.Yeah, well, she was watching
them when the bodies were Fallenwhen they were running away from
all the following bodies. So we know she can't make her
way through a building like nobody's business.

(01:22:00):
It's very much like Escape From New York.
The people in the movie Escape From New York, that lived
through the nerve gas that was released because that's the
premise. It's not in the movie, it's in
the novelization. There's like more detail on why
the people in New York City are so not the people that are there
who lived through all of. This are gonna be nuts.

(01:22:21):
Well and we got a taste of that in like the Pharaohs.
I'm gonna be like, super crazy. Like, how would you have dealt
with that? Like, everyone around, you died,
you're trapped on an island and the government put you there and
they're like, by well, yeah, they trapped you there.
Yeah. See ya.
But the city galvanizes you maybe maybe after many many
years, let's say, so maybe she'll be like cabbie from
Escape From New York. While loved character, we should

(01:22:45):
mention also that the guy that the crowd had that escaped.
It seems as though these guys are doing pulling the same stick
that they did on Maggie on this guy to, they're trying to find
out more about his community. That was the reason why they had
him. He was torturing for more
information about his community so that they can get more Goods
on them. So they can convince them to
give him half their shit. We're getting more information
by way of visuals, and by way ofsituational rather than as

(01:23:06):
Thomas Woods a monolog, it givesyou some more information about
who these people are and that they are running in some way,
maybe most of the way. A the savior's used to operate.
I'm really curious to see this more Grand operation version of
the savior's. I don't know about you and how
this ghost continues to persist is Terror that of the savior's
continues to persist under a psychopath.
He's gonna be like Morgan and break the cycle.

(01:23:26):
I gotta break the cycle first. He's like Madison and now he's
like Morgan. Maybe get fear out of my head,
what is happening? No, I think about to here says,
I only feel like she may have moved to Hilltop to PA because
it's Sir, to the Commonwealth Fair, Thomas is the first hate

(01:23:46):
bang, how does this podcast continue to persist because of
listeners? Like, you Thomas.
Yeah, that's why truly I'm beingserious, thank you.
This is Morgan clears. Manhattan, sounds like a mess up
little Golden Book. It's the Muppets Take Manhattan.

(01:24:07):
All I see is red. Clear Manhattan from the voices
in my head. That's why you watch it.
Watch this part. Thank you very much.
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I know you're talking about deadCity and now he's talking about
Here Muppets on. Thank you very much.
You know, we're gonna have to take that out or the podcast and
then we're gonna have to create put music behind it and cease
and desist. Dave, don't get dings.
We're gonna get a ding, not a copyright strike music to it

(01:25:16):
only if you put music to it. Yeah, I'll compose the music
will do like synthesized. Change the change the key.
I'll teach you to be good. I'll change the pace to slow it
down. Make it all like creepy.
Like, with a baseline. That's like a sexy clearing

(01:25:39):
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When we're behind, we're not doing a live stream, so much

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No, maybe maybe we'll make it we'll know what.
I'll write the lyrics. It'll be like The Parting Glass.
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