PLURIBUS |1x03 "Grenade"

Our conversation delves into the concept of the hive mind and its implications, particularly in relation to extraterrestrial beings and their potential desires for earthly resources like gold. Questions are raised about the future of human labor in resource extraction and the broader impact of collective intelligence.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hey, party people, it's your friend Dave from squawking dead.
It's been a while since you've seen me, I know.
And it may still yet be a while till you see me.
First things first, I wanted to let you know that the next few
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(00:20):
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(01:07):
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(01:29):
It's taking me out of the podcast live for the first time
in a very long time. It for an extraordinary amount
of time. And it's also really, I have not
slept maybe a total of 12 hours in the past week.
That's how bad it's been. So I'll just say this, I am

(01:57):
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They'll be released a lot quicker.
Not quite up to par to what I consider great.
But if you're OK with it, then I'm OK with it.

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It will make everybody's lives alot easier.
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So that everybody said everybody.
I hope you enjoy this episode ofPluribus helmed by my favorite
too. We've got Rachel Cosmobzier and

(03:00):
I, Rachel Burt and Sharon D AKA Lazy Gardner.
Take it away gals. I sit and think about these
things like, OK, the hive mind, I get it.
But what? What exactly does that entail?
But I mean, I guess you could put more people to, we don't
know what exactly they're collecting.
So are we gonna have more people, people going to work in
mines or things like that? Maybe the aliens desire gold.

(03:25):
Any other earthly resource? So I mean, I guess that would be
where they would go. We are Walking Dead, a podcast
pulverizing programs beyond The Walking Dead universe.
Sometimes we bring you news, sometimes we make you laugh, and
most times we go deep. We are here today to cover the
third episode of Pluribus Rachel.

(03:46):
Good to see you. I don't know.
I never start these things off. I don't know what to say.
What is? What is the name of this
episode? The name of this episode is.
Grenade. Grenade.
Okay, very okay. Okay, let's let's start off like
Dave has been doing. What do you think the title
means? Well, there's the obvious thing

(04:06):
that I'm pretty good at spotting.
When Zosha brings Carol a grenade, of course she asks for
a hand grenade and she brings itto her.
So that's the most obvious thing.
This this episode is feeling kind of comfortable because once
we get it, we have a Carol who'sblowing stuff up.
But this one's not doing it on purpose.

(04:28):
Right, right. She didn't know.
She not this time anyway. Yeah, right.
Yeah. Yeah, that little head, not at
the end there. She was like, I was like, uh oh,
what's she cooking up? Let's let's get to that later
though, because. We don't.
Yeah. Yeah, we'll.
We'll get to that. The other thing I was thinking
about grenade is Earl is the grenade to the joint.
For sure. Like she's.

(04:50):
Causing explosion. She is, well, I mean, she is
definitely capable of taking them out.
I mean, she is a, she is a grenade dropped in the middle of
their hive mind. And it's, it's, I think it's a
little disconcerting to them given I love the little guy at
the end who did the with her. I loved him.
He was so good. I don't know who that actor does

(05:11):
is, but he he did fantastic. He was very good.
Again, I don't want to jump backto the end, but Carol is is the
grenade that is is dropped into the middle of their hive mind
and while the others are very content, they have their
families and they don't want to disrupt things because they have
their families to worry about. And the other guy, I can never

(05:33):
remember the guy. On Air Force, the bougie guy.
Yeah, on Air Force One. Sorry, Dave, you.
Can. No, I can't.
Name there Dave? I can't remember Abbate.
Bougie guy. Abbate, whatever.
He understands on a level that they can't say no to him, but
he's content to just use it for what it is, like he is not.

(05:56):
He's not interested in upsettingthe status quo because it's
benefiting him. If it's that they can't say no,
or just that they won't say no. I mean, judging by the guy's
face at the end, in the end speech when he was like, why
would you want? Yeah, and like and like.

(06:16):
And ultimately, they know it's not a good thing to give Carol
an atom bomb, right? But he still says, ultimately,
we would. We would.
Which brings up an entirely different line of question, like
why? Why would they not be able to
say no to something that would ultimately kill a lot of them?
A lot. Of, I mean, I don't know, she

(06:37):
says biological imperative all the time.
And I don't know if, I mean, I know that also means their
biological imperative is to turneverybody to the hive mind, but
I wonder if that's also a part of it.
Like, like, like they can't kill.
I don't know. It's, it's very confusing.
There's a lot going on. Ultimately it comes down to like

(06:58):
what the final goal is, right? We don't know what we don't know
what the final goal. Is we don't have enough
information to know what is going on completely.
Yeah, agreed. Agreed.
All right, so I thought maybe wecould start at the beginning in
the very first scene, which is at the Ice Hotel in Norway.
My worst nightmare I. Like I I'm not, I'm not with
Carol on like being so against everything all the time.

(07:20):
But I mean, she's got a point about the ice walk bed.
I'm like, that is not gonna be comfortable.
It's gonna cold. I don't like being cold.
I imagine on that one, I know I OK.
If we're speaking realistically,I imagine there's some sort of
mattress or padding on top of the you're not just sleeping on
a block of ice. I mean maybe, but it looked like

(07:41):
it was just furs to me. Just a pile of fur.
I mean then there has to be enough furs for it to be
comfortable, otherwise who's who's, who's staying there?
Who's sleeping there? Nobody wants to sleep on a
literal block of ice. That's not.
Comfortable. There are a lot of adventurous
people out there that will do things that aren't comfortable
just for the adventure. But being a hotel, you'd think

(08:03):
your first priority is comfort. Not necessarily.
The first priority there is the experience.
Yeah, I don't know. I guess I just, I still
envisioned some, some kind of mattress Topper or a, a cushiony
pad of some kind between you andthe ice.
I mean, now we're talk, now we're talking danger territory
like that could kill you. You could literally die in your
sleep of hypothermia. I mean, people survived in that

(08:26):
kind of weather and environment.Well, when you're acclimated to
it, sure. In furs for a long time so plus
they are sleeping like parkas and stuff.
I can't imagine. Maybe they didn't get out of
their parkas or anyway. All I certainly.
Was I am with Carol on the Oh myGod, I'm not sleeping on a block
of ice, OK. Oh, same.
But I'm also with Helen in enjoythis experience because this is

(08:48):
something beautiful that not a lot of people get to experience
or ever see or ever do. You're privileged to be able to
do this and to lie in a hotel and look up at the sky and see
the Northern Lights. That is pretty amazing.
I mean, that is, and to be surrounded by all that beautiful
artwork. Yes, it's cold, but it's still
beautiful artwork, you know, So I, I get, I get both sides of

(09:09):
it, but I'm not wanting to sleepon a block.
And I I also consider the bathroom angle.
Is the toilet going to be made of?
I'm going to freeze to the toilet.
Yeah, yeah, I would hope it was a real toilet, otherwise it
would melt. Like you remember in A Christmas
Story when the guy licked the pole.
And. Stuck to it.
It might be something like that is what I'm saying.

(09:32):
No, thank you. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I can see both sides of this andand my knee jerk reaction was to
be like, you know, come on, Helen, you know, Carol isn't
going to like this. But it seems to me that Carol
doesn't like a lot of things. And so this is Helen's way of
forcing her out of her comfort zone, right?
She's she's doing something thatshe knows ultimately she will

(09:55):
enjoy if she would just shut up and be in the moment.
And she does, she got a very short scene.
She finally stops complaining and looks up at the sky and you
can see the change. Bracey horn.
I mean, she's amazing, but you can see the change in her face
that when she's like, you know, yes, this is beautiful and I am
enjoying being here with the woman that I love and enjoying

(10:17):
this beautiful thing. But she just can't stop herself
from complaining about it the rest of the time.
Dennis wanted to point out. Imagine if there was a bidet in
the bathroom. Oh no.
They're staying in the away room.
Yes, that was. Koi fish symbolize perseverance,
strength and good fortune, representing the ability to

(10:39):
overcome adversity and achieve success.
Which I mean, we don't know a lot about Carol's background.
We don't know anything about her.
Why did she become this miserable person?
You know, what happened? So maybe maybe the koi fish is,
is representative of her, you know, being perseverance and
becoming a success. You know, she, she perseveres
even though she doesn't really. I think she likes writing.

(11:01):
She doesn't like what she's writing.
I'm going to take Dave. Sorry, I'm going to cut here for
a second. I have got to eat this sandwich
she said this gave me. I haven't eaten all day.
So give me a second. I'll be right back.
Well, while you do that, I'm going to grab some more water
and. I'll be back in just a minute.
OK, we're ready. OK.
Yeah. Sorry about that, Dave.
All right. I'm going to let him know we got
back at 18 minutes so he can Fast forward a couple.

(11:22):
OK all. Right.
So we were talking about the IceHotel.
Yes, I know. I think that gave us because
last last week I was saying thatwe've only seen Carol at her
worst. We don't know that she's.
A miserable. Person all the time, but
apparently she really is that miserable all the time.

(11:42):
I see a lot of Dennis and I in this relationship, and I'm going
to let you guess which one is which.
Is Dennis, Carol? Just a little, Just a little
bit, yeah. I see a lot of, it's funny, my
mom and my stepdad too. Because your mom's very bubbly

(12:03):
and let's do this and yay and positive, yeah.
And then she has to force him todo things.
And once he's doing the thing, he always loves it, he always
has fun, but they still have to be forced into doing it.
Or even if we're having the besttime and everything is great,
he's still going to complain about something while we're.
There the one thing. Something is not going to be
right. What?

(12:24):
I'm going to have to sleep on a bed of ice.
I mean, like, I totally get it, but still I'm I'm pointing at
him because he's right behind me, but you know, it's it's OK
because it works for them. He's scowling behind me.
Yes, but it works for them, right?
I mean, that it Helen loves her,obviously grouchy.
She even admits you. This is great for you.
You're miserable. You love being miserable.
You love having stuff to complain about.

(12:44):
So here you go. Yep.
And the other thing I noticed was for someone who hates what
she's writing, she's very. So where was I on on the
bestseller list? Was it between 11 or was it
between? Was it closer to 11 or was it
closer to 20, you know? Yeah, I think it's more of a
reflection on her though, right?Even though, even though the

(13:07):
it's based on her writing, but she's looking at it more like
where am I at? Not really the book.
I'm sorry I got distracted by the Hawks.
Very easy to do. They're so cute, how can I not,
right? Dave's, I think that's.
Bad about them. I think that's a common
occurrence with artists. OK, so think about it this way.
How many times have we heard, for example, a band or a musical

(13:30):
artist and the song that gets them recognized, that is played
on the radio? You're like, oh, I love this.
But you know, I love this song. I love this man.
I'm going to go buy the album. But when you buy the album and
then you listen to it, that's the only song that sounds that
way. All the rest of their songs are
like a completely different style, different feel, different
mess, like it's completely different.

(13:50):
So it's like the thing thing that puts them on the map isn't
really what they want to be doing.
And I feel like Carol's going through a lot of the same thing.
Oh yeah, I'm like, I understand.I understand how she feels,
right? Because she's she's doing
something and she's successful, but it's not something that she
wants something that's Subs she wants substance, yes, and what

(14:13):
she's writing is not substance, even though to a lot of people
it is. So I mean, I, I can, we can draw
parallels with Walking Dead withnot us, right?
To most people, The Walking Deadis.
Not that zombie show. Oh.
That right? But for the people who watch it
and love it, it is something to us.
It does mean something to us. So I mean, I can understand.

(14:34):
I can understand understand how she feels and and where she's
coming. From Yes, now.
I hope the creators of The Walking Dead don't feel the same
way Carol does, though I hope they recognize what an amazing
thing they created. And if Carol could recognize
that. Maybe you don't enjoy what
you're writing, but look at whatit has done for people that
should. That should have meaning for

(14:55):
you. If people are willing to stand
in line for hours to have you sign a book for them, yeah, then
something you have done has spoken to them and touch their
touch their heart, you know? Absolutely.
And that is something you shouldbe proud of.
But she can't seem to. She can't seem.
That's not enough. That's not enough for her, which
I understand. I understand that too.

(15:16):
It's got to be something about her that we don't know yet,
right? Like you, like you said already,
there's a lot about Carol that we don't know yet.
We don't know her upbringing, wedon't know her background, we
don't know her experiences. There's something, something in
her life I'm sure, caused her tobe like this.
Is it important to the story? I don't know.
Are we ever going to find out? I don't know.
If it doesn't matter for for where we're going on this show,

(15:39):
then we might not ever know. I mean, we may just, it may be
enough for us to understand thatshe's just a miserable.
She's just a miserable person, but.
You know what? I still, I don't like Carol, but
I like Carol. Does that make sense?
Like, I don't. I don't think I'd want to be
friends with her. We're it's we're not supposed to
like Carol. We're not supposed to.

(16:00):
Yeah, I do. I do.
Dennis was talking earlier when we were watching it, like he's
like, I don't understand why shewon't let them help her.
And I'm like because she's. Independent.
Well, she feels like if she letsthem help her then they win.
Do you do OK? Do you feel like, because this
thought crossed my mind too, if she lets them help her, do you
feel like she will? She'll have this feeling that

(16:20):
she like owes them something, like there's a debt owed if she
allows them to help. Her maybe?
OK, do you know what I'm saying?With what would be the end game
of that? Because eventually she's going
to be turned into, well. When that when right?
When the when they figure out how to turn her into the to a
hive person, maybe she would come willingly.

(16:42):
Maybe. I mean maybe, but they're so
willing to give her everything anyway.
I mean I. I don't either.
Also, we don't know what that's going to look like.
Is she, I mean, no one volunteered for this, right?
Like the entire so so when when it happens that they figured it
out, is it even going to be her choice?
Or are they just going to like, oh, I mean, I've blow some
powder in her face? Image made that clear.

(17:03):
Like when she's like, how long is it before you turn me into a
worker bee? And Zosha didn't say, oh, we're
not gonna do that, right? You're gonna get your choice.
She's like, well, we don't know when, but it's gonna happen
eventually. Yeah, It is a biological
imperative, right? So they've pretty much made it
clear that she's not gonna have a choice, really.
Yeah. It's her life.

(17:24):
Her life is her own right now. But even that isn't true because
she has to call them to bring her groceries back to her store.
Yeah, but still she's like, I don't want anybody helping me.
But yet they had to help you. You know, you didn't just go out
and till your dinner and bring it back.
They had to help you. Now granted it was because they
took it away in the 1st place, but the grocery store wasn't

(17:46):
always going to be there. Well, and eventually that food's
going to go bad, right as they're filling it back up.
Dennis said the same thing. As they're filling it back up,
I'm like, could they have just brought enough for like a week?
Like you didn't need to fill up the whole grocery.
Store One of the one of the things I've I've noticed is
while they are comprised of every human on the planet
almost, they don't really understand humans.

(18:09):
It's like all of the humanity has caused them to lose the
humanity. They don't understand sarcasm.
They don't understand you don't have to restock my entire store.
But since that's what she wanted, that's what they did.
Like, they don't understand on humans at all, even though they
are made-up of every human on the planet.
I told Dennis we were watching. I'm like, they're like an entire

(18:29):
hive mind of Sheldon's from The Big Bang Theory.
Yeah. They just, they don't understand
human cues. You know, we thought you were
being sarcastic, but we didn't. We wanted to make sure we
weren't sure if you were being sarcastic.
Of course, any human who's not in the hive mind would
understand immediately that. Well, I don't know about any
human. I mean, there's lots of.

(18:50):
Well, nobody's going to say yes.She really wants a hand grenade.
You know, I mean, that, that everybody would be like, yeah.
So I, I find it funny that even though there's so much humanity
involved in the hive mind, they don't understand humanity
anymore. They've completely lost the
thread with humans, with human thought.
Yeah, there is a a very robotic feel to, I mean social is a

(19:11):
little more human like I guess Idon't know.
I don't know, it's tough to to really nail down.
Well, I mean, so here's here's one thing I've been wondering.
Have have they done this before?Like is this the first time
they've ever had people who weren't assimilated?
Is this their first time doing this to a society?
Well, let me ask a bigger question.

(19:31):
Who's they? Who are?
The alien, well, aliens are 600 million light years away.
Who? Sent the signal out.
Sent the signal and maybe they said there's no aliens on this
planet. Correct.
Yeah. Taffler said that in the last
one he's like, there's no alienson this planet, on this planet,
so obviously it is some sort of alien.

(19:53):
Well, not obviously. Nothing in the Gilligan is
obviously, but I I believe it's aliens controlling and I believe
they're probably controlling thehive mind because it makes it
easier. They're consolidating all of
their resources for distribution.
It makes it easy the the populace is.
I think wherever the signal, absolutely wherever the signal
was coming from, I also said andbelieve that it's aliens

(20:16):
wherever they're sending the signal from, that planet could
possibly be used up of all of its resources.
And so now they need to relocateto a new planet that's not
destroyed yet. And it'd be a whole lot easier
to do that if everything that lived on it was under 1 hive
mind. So that brings the question, is
this the first time they've donethis?
Is this the first time they've had people not assimilate?

(20:37):
Because it seems like they don'tparticularly know what to do
when this, when this happens. So I'm, I'm wondering is, is, is
Carol like this, this huge monkey wrench that they can't,
they obviously don't have a contingency to say no to her.
So but do is it also that they can't?
I mean, is it that they don't want to say no because they're
afraid of her? Or is it they can't say no from
the last conversation? I'm going to say they can't say

(21:00):
no. There is something stopping them
from saying no to her. It sounds like they would try to
persuade her to change her mind,but ultimately if she says give
me what I want, they're going tothey're going to do it.
So if if they can't say no to her if she does something.
So I wrote it down here. What if Carol demands that they
kill her because they can't kill?
They can't, yeah. And they can't say no to her.

(21:23):
But what? What if that's the big?
That's quite a conundrum. Right, right.
So I'm, I can't remember what itwas.
It was some TV show somewhere I watched a million years ago
where they broke down the enemy by making them, making them.
Like could not compute. Right.
They couldn't, they could, they couldn't rectify the two things

(21:45):
they were asking. So I'm wondering if maybe that.
They said. That does sound very familiar.
Yeah. What that is the definitely the.
It does sound very familiar, but.
Kind of like war games almost, only instead of tic tac toe
it's, you know, can't kill versus kill me.
Yeah, yeah. Because it's, yeah, definitely a
paradox. Also something I meant to

(22:06):
mention about Grenade. Grenade is also a Bruno Mars
song. I'd catch a Grenade for you kind
of fits because Sosha does eventually catch the grenade for
Carol. Well, she like, takes it and
throws it, yeah. So the next scene is on the
plane where this this show is. Funny it is.

(22:29):
So funny it is. Funny.
So the two pilots. The camps, the pilots.
Finally got some pilots. Yeah.
Is this because the TGI Friday'scouch?
It freaked me. Out, me out.
Yes, it is, Carol. OK, stop that now.

(22:49):
So yes, they did get real pilotsto make Carol feel better,
although it really wasn't necessary because between the
hive mind, there's millions and millions of millions of hours of
flight experience. But that was really funny.
And then when she calls our friend of mine, I want to say
his name is Manuelos. We haven't met him yet, so I
don't. I can't remember.

(23:10):
Yeah, of video. He's in Paraguay and she tries
to call and of course he answersthe second time and she tries
to. I wonder, does she speak
Spanish? I mean, she lives in
Albuquerque. It's not a far fetched.
Well, she knows some Spanish, that's for sure.
She knew enough. But here's the thing.
He's gonna realize, of course, that she's not one of them

(23:31):
because she cursed him out. I do not.
I did see the translation somewhere.
I don't remember what it was andI didn't write it down.
Basically, she told him to do something unsavory to his
mother. She told him that.
Yes, and he, I don't remember what he, I don't it was
something like he he just calledher a name or something.
I don't remember what it was. Let me see.
I could probably. It was.
He called her Puta. I mean, even without speaking

(23:53):
Spanish, I think we all know that one.
This is where Dave inserts the translations over top of us
right now. Dave's going to pop on screen
and say here's what was actuallysaid.
I'm assuming he what he said wasand I David, I apologize but I'm
only quoting. I assume what he said was stop
calling bitch. Can't find I can't find it that
quick. But anyway, it was it was just

(24:14):
something like, you know, you'rea hoe or something.
I mean, it wasn't anything different.
Damn it. Something else I meant to
mention when we're talking aboutthe ice room, Carol says we
could have saved $100,000 and I couldn't frozen.
I could have frozen my eggs here, which tells me that they
have been trying to conceive or they wanted to conceive later.

(24:35):
And so Carol had her eggs frozenin order to do that later, which
may be another. That's another dream that she's
losing out on, right? She's not even going to get to
do that anymore because Carol's gone.
I mean. Helen's gone, yeah.
So I see, I see our Manulos getting in touch with Carol

(24:57):
somehow. Here's a theory I heard
somewhere that they say that they weren't aware of him for
the 1st 33 hours and they only became aware of him after
Carol's. She shut them all down.
So the theory that I have seen in a few places is that Dave,
sorry I don't have any references for that.
I don't remember where that whenshe set them all off, it shook

(25:17):
him out of the hive and so he, he is now.
That's how they just became aware of him because he was in
the hive and now he's out. I don't know how much I agree
with that because I feel like they would have felt him leave
the hive as he's in the hive mind or something like that.
So I'm not sure how I feel aboutthat, but it is an interesting
theory to think about. My theory when about that
particular individual was that he just lived very reclusive and

(25:41):
didn't really have much contact with the outside world to begin.
With he was he was a manager of a self storage place so like he
would have had to have contact with people.
Would he? I mean a self storage people
just come in and out. And they still have to go rent
it and stuff like that. So I mean like feel like maybe
he would have. I think it would be very minimal
yeah and people can you know, people can like do it online and

(26:05):
just because they put their own locks, you put your own locks on
a self storage so they wouldn't even have to pick anything up
from him. I'm.
I'm, I mean, I, yeah, there's, Ithink there's a lot of different
ways that it could or, or it won't work like I, it's an
interesting theory. I don't know if I believe it,
but I just I. Found no I.
Think about. I agree with you.
I think if he if he were part ofit and then not, they would

(26:27):
have. They would have known
immediately that he was no longer a part of the hive mind.
Of course, then they said that'swhen they became aware of him.
Maybe, maybe the way she used aware wasn't the way we're
thinking of it. You know what I mean?
Like they could become aware of him as an individual because he
I don't know. Again, I don't know if I believe
it or not, but is it was well think about.
It, it is a very interesting theory because what it means is

(26:50):
that people have the ability to leave the hive.
Could this be, you know, this could be what Carol's been
trying to find the whole time, you know, a way to save
humanity. He left the hive mind.
We need to figure out how you did that so that so that
everyone else can do it too. But then if you think of how
many people you would have to kill in order to shake X number

(27:11):
of people out of the hive mind, so would it even be you'd have
to kill if she killed 11 millionpeople and one guy shook loose?
Yeah, that would be pretty that you'd have to kill almost the
entire. Yeah, it would be pretty
apocalyptic. I mean, here's here's something
I meant to mention last week, and I of course, I forgot it.
When a Dube or a boot, whatever his name is, when he's going, he

(27:35):
says he's going to Vegas. And I'm like, but wait, what is
the point of Vegas anymore? People aren't going there to
gamble because they're all on the hive mind.
So what people? There's nothing there.
He's going to say he's going to stay in Elvis's haunted room or
whatever. But what I'm saying is, there is
no Vegas anymore. Well, if he wants there to be,
there will be, right? But what is what is the point?
Money doesn't mean anything anymore.

(27:55):
No, but he could still gamble and feel the rush and joy of
winning. Maybe, but I just feel like it
wouldn't be nearly as exciting because he could be like, hey,
make me win every game and that wouldn't that wouldn't be any
fun either. Like I want to win every game
that spins on this, you know, and they'd they'd have a
computer guy figure out how to do it.
So. Well, yeah, but the point I
mean, he doesn't have, he doesn't have to win every game.

(28:16):
He could just go and like the, the stakes are still the same.
There's just no money. Well, not the stakes.
That's not what I meant to say. The, the, the anticipation is,
is still the same. There's just no, you know, like
you said, the money doesn't matter.
So really, it's just about having fun.
Something else that I was thinking of what what do the
Hive people do? I'm going to get right now

(28:38):
they're fixing things and cleaning up and consolidating
resources and all that. But once that happens, what what
do they do? Like what you just stand around
like, OK, like in Westworld whenyou were put in the, when you
were shut down, they just shut down and they just stand there
and don't take anything. I mean, what, what do they do?
It's very confusing. It's very.
So they're still, they're still humans, they're still a human

(29:02):
being, and they still work biologically the same.
So they would still have to sleep, eat, do all the normal
stuff a human would have to do to survive.
OSHA brings up when they shut all the power down, right.
And she's like, oh, we're consolidating, You know,
nobody's out doing anything except for the the essentials.
So, yeah. So what is what are people

(29:23):
doing? Are they sleeping?
Are they just standing in a corner of their house?
Well, I. Mean so I would.
I'm going to imagine accidents still happen, right?
Right, which is why the hospitals.
The hospitals are. Open, yeah.
People still fall off of stools and things like that.
They're not super beings. You still have things like Zocia
getting blown up, you know, So you still have hospitals, you
still have people have to grow food.

(29:43):
But what are the Vegas showgirlsdoing?
What are the bankers doing? Yep.
What are actors and actresses doing right?
What's? What are athletes?
What's? Doing.
Doing. Well.
I just, I just, it's, it's the Isit and think about these things
like, OK, the hive mind, I get it.
But what, what exactly does thatentail?
Like, but I mean, I guess you could put more people to we

(30:06):
don't know what exactly they're collecting.
So are we can have more people, people going to work in mines or
things like that because maybe the aliens desire gold.
I don't know. Or any other earthly resource.
Yeah, so I mean, I guess that would be where they would go.
I just, I just like when he sayshe went to Vegas, I'm like, what
is the point of going to Vegas? It's just not going to be the

(30:27):
same, you know, because you're the only person there that is
actually enjoying or or enjoyingwhat you're doing.
Yeah. Which, OK, that's an interesting
thought. Carol, who is the one who never
enjoys anything, is the only person left on Earth who can
enjoy anything but isn't right. But so say it's.
It's ironic that the one person who doesn't enjoy anything is
the only person left on earth that can.

(30:47):
Except she did enjoy things eventually.
Kind of, yeah. Begrudgingly.
So when the next scene we have Zocia dropping Carol off at her
house as she hands her her mail.This is another instance of
where they don't understand humans because they think that
seeing a piece of mail and them knowing about it is going to
make Carol happy. Like that Helen sent her

(31:08):
something right before she died is going to make her happy
rather than make her sad and depressed and ultimately very
angry. No.
So they, they give her the, she takes it in and it's, she goes
to the mail. Here's an interesting little
tidbit that I picked up on Facebook.
If you look at the name, Helen'sname, she picks up a piece of
mail and they focus on it that has Helen's name on it.

(31:28):
Helen L Umstead. L Umstead is for Lori Umstead,
who is a big fan of The Walking Dead.
I mean, I'm, I'm sorry, a big fan of the Breaking Bad
universe. She was really into it with,
with Breaking Bad and with Better Call Saul.
And she's she has become close to some of the people involved,
including Vince Gilligan's mother.
So I saw them their exchange. This is how I know.

(31:50):
I saw their exchange on Facebookwhere Vince Gilligan's mom
confirmed that that was named after Lori.
So good on you, Lori. I'm so happy for you, man.
That's awesome. That's awesome.
So she got a little shout out there.
That's great. Lori's really nice.
Like I haven't met her in person, but I have communicated
with her through the Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul universe
when I was when I was really into the Better Call Saul verse.

(32:11):
I communicate with with her. So she's really cool.
She's awesome. The other thing I liked is that
they have her program. Her phone is programmed to say
it's us, Carol. Mm hmm.
I don't think that was. Hilarious.
I thought that was hilarious too.
That was funny, I did notice that.
So she gets the Thera gun, whichwas in the first episode when

(32:33):
they were going through the airport and they were looking at
this before she had Helen move her books.
When she had Helen move her books from the bottom shelf to
the top shelf, it was right before that they had seen the
Thera gun in the in the airport.OK, OK.
So I'm I'm guessing she ordered it on her phone on Amazon
probably. That's might have been what she
was doing when the virus hit. They thought she was looking at

(32:54):
comments, but maybe she had goneto order the Thera gun, which is
sad. She goes to the next scene.
She's watching Golden Girls, which I thought was an
interesting choice, especially the scenes that they chose to
use the the scene that she's watching in this, the Golden
Girl scene that she's watching in this is Rose talking about

(33:14):
Old Lady Hickenlooper who never smiled.
Mean old Lady Hickenlooper who never smiled.
And Rose told her it's because she turned a frown upside down
so the lady would stand on her head.
Which fits in with Carol, right?The lady who never smiled and
she's not standing on her hands to smile at anybody, though
she's very much the opposite of that.
The other scene they use is the dumbest virgin sacrificing

(33:37):
herself, which that was funny, like stranger danger it was.
Anyway, the other scene was the dumbest virgin she had to there
was they wanted to sacrifice thedumbest version of the town.
She goes, I don't know why I raised my hand.
And then later on in the episodewe see a sacrifice from Zocia.
Not she's a dumb virgin, but shedoes sacrifice herself for for

(34:04):
Carol. Well, I think that's AI think
that's a strong word to use. She I mean she throws the
grenade outside and then tries to save her.
She didn't really. I mean, if she'd sacrificed
herself, she would have like, ran outside with it and like,
laid on top of it. I mean, maybe she didn't know
she was going to get. I mean, she tried everything to
get out of the way of it, but. She did throw herself on top of

(34:25):
Carol to Black. Yes, from it.
So she was trying to protect Carol, Yes.
Again, they can't so. And they can't let something die
either, apparently. Yeah, apparently.
This show is so much OK. I know they bring her the food
and I love the shot of her looking at the the Dome.
It's called a cloche by the way.I looked at us, looking her

(34:49):
reflection in the Dome of the clothes before she picked it up
was a brilliant shot. It was amazing.
There were a few of those this episode, if to go back just a
little bit when she's when Carol's laying on the couch
watching Golden Girls and it's panning to Carol, we see a
reflection of Rose in the CD disc.
Yes, that was. Great.
That was really cool. Yeah.

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The cinematography in the show is always going back to talking
about the when we get to Sprouts, the chorea, the
choreography of that scene of then pulling the trucks.
In. You know, and all the people
walking in and they're all coming off of the ramps at the
same time and everything just amazing.
The choreography is amazing. Otto agrees with me, but he's

(35:31):
good. He's good, man.
What you doing, boy? What you talking about?
So she takes the food and she, she's like, I'm a very
independent person. Oh, the scene where she opens
the refrigerator door after, though, she tells her that
they've got half a carton of milk and she takes it out.
She's like, sure, that's 3/4 of a carton.
What he shows her, you know, it was hilarious.
That was funny. But she's like, I'm very

(35:54):
independent person. I, I fend for myself.
But as I said earlier, yet she'snot really.
I don't, I don't want to call you every time I need something,
but eventually all the stuff is it will run out.
Even even if you had your grocery store, like you said, if
that food's going to go bad, nothing's going to be in there
forever. So eventually you're going to
need their help. You don't, you don't exist in
society without other people's help, whether or not you fend

(36:17):
for yourself. Mm hmm.
Nobody does. Nobody survives in society by
themselves. You're not the one keeping your
roads up. You're not the one outgrowing
your own food. You're not the one making
medicine or compounding medicines.
Everybody depends on other people to a point.
So while she considered herself self-sufficient and fending for

(36:38):
herself in her real life, now she's going to learn that that
is not true. She's not.
You can't. I mean, yes, there were settlers
who went out in the wilderness and survived on their own, but
that was nobody that you can't, you can't do it anymore.
It's not possible. Even even uncontacted tribes,
they're still tribes. They still have a society around
them. Like nobody out.

(36:59):
Nobody lives out there. On No, there's no one individual
even. Yeah.
Maybe that's the whole point of this show is we are all part of
hive mind in the sense that we can't live without a society.
No matter how individual we think we are, we're all still
part of the same. But we have to rely on each
other to a certain point to exist, to exist conveniently,
you know, I mean, if somebody moved out to the middle of the

(37:19):
woods and did start growing their own food, I mean, sure,
could you do it? You know, maybe for a little
while. But you're not going to survive
nearly as long as you would withwith with the help of others.
You have to go out and kill animals and wear furs.
Absolutely. I mean absolutely.
Because if you bring blankets with you, well somebody else
made those blankets. If you have electricity,

(37:39):
something, well, unless you can.I mean, how are you going to get
the axe to cut the trees down tobuild a shelter?
Yeah. So there is no nobody is on
their own. You can choose to isolate
yourself from society, but you're still dependent on
society. I love the whole Sprouts
sequence. Again, racy Horn has the best
face acting of anybody in in TV right now.

(38:01):
I mean, you can see every emotion going through Carol on
her face as she watches. It's like she's realizing she's
seen it a little bit, but now she's really seeing what they're
capable of doing in an hour. In an hour they fully stock a
grocery store. Yeah.
That, that's pretty amazing. The other thing that was when
now they're all walking out and the three different people

(38:22):
talked to her as they finish their sentences, as they go by.
So that I was like, whoa, that would freak me out just a little
bit. I wondered how many took it, how
many takes it took to get it down just right.
Right, something I noticed on the side of the truck, there was
a lot of ice, ice references in this episode.
And there were ice cubes on the side of the truck, again,

(38:42):
referencing, yeah, I noticed theice hotels too.
So she goes, she takes her food after she does all her shopping,
and she bought a frozen dinner. Right, all of that.
We stocked an entire grocery store full of fresh produce and
all that, but she goes to the microwave meals.
Yeah, Yep. Also washing down all of her

(39:03):
because that is Xanax that she'staking.
By the way, I looked it up at Xanax, it's the generic for
Xanax and so she's taking Xanax and she's drinking vodka, which
is never a great. No, don't.
Don't take alcohol with any medication please.
I guess I mean, I get it. She's like, what?
I know she's like screw it. One of my one of my things.
The transition, I really appreciated the transition in

(39:24):
that scene too. The water out, that was very.
Quick, that was great. So the power goes out and she's
like again, I would feel this way too.
Like what the F? Come on.
Right. You go through that at least,
what, once a week while we're recording sometimes?
What the F so so she and I love,I love her looking out the
window and seeing all the lightsgo off, you know?

(39:45):
That's a terrifying moment too. They use the this.
This has been used in a lot of other movies and shows too.
Watching the power grid go out in a big city and like every
single time it makes my stomach like.
Fear The Walking Dead had a big one.
Yeah, yeah, when all the lights went out.
Yeah, I just found that really interesting.
And then of course when Zocia comes in, she says we left all

(40:08):
of the lights on for this route or that route or whatever.
You know, like you can see the where the lights are on the
distance was probably a hospitaland the roads because they still
have to travel if they are doingemergency things.
But why wouldn't you turn off all the lights if you don't need
them anymore? Why?
Why would you keep wasting all of that?
Agreed. Yeah, like I said, when we

(40:29):
first, well, I guess it was justthe last.
This is really only the second time we've recorded.
When you really think about whatthey're, what the hive mind is
saying and what they're doing, everything makes sense.
It sounds incredible. But what we all know about
things that sound too good to betrue, they usually are, right?

(40:51):
Right. So I'm just wait.
Like I'm just waiting for waiting for the other side of
this. They're they're trying to sell
them oceanfront property in Arizona.
Yeah. Exactly.
We'll call it New Mexico insteadof Arizona.
But so as OSHA shows up with thehand grenade that Carol angrily.

(41:13):
What can we do to make you happyCarol?
A hand grenade would be great though it.
Can be a great hand grenade, yeah.
So they show for the I love the actress that plays Zocia like
she is great too. She is she is great, but nothing
this is not like you know, by shame everything but girl, you
are so skinny. She is like this big around and

(41:33):
I'm like like, what do you say all the time?
Rachel, where are her organs? Where are.
Her Where do you keep your organs?
She is so tiny. She's so tall.
But anyway, I really like her. I think she's doing a great job
because she has to do things like in the last episode, she
has to like master all these notmastered languages, but she has
to be able to speak sentences and other languages and stuff,

(41:54):
you know, and I find. That and sound fluent.
And sound fluent, so good on her, she did great.
I just watched The Happening yesterday.
That movie is so bad. What?
I loved it so bad. I loved it especially the first
time. I loved it the first time.
I don't, I only watched it once because I was like this movie
sucks. With Marky Mark, yeah, yeah, it

(42:17):
was good it. Was the trees and the.
Wind. It was good.
I mean, it makes sense. The planet should be killing us
off. Let's be honest, it.
Was like the horror version of The Lorax.
So Zocia brings her the the handgrenade and she's Carol's like,
OK, you want to come and have a drink?
I mean, what the heck? She's lonely.

(42:38):
I'm sure she's very lonely. And Ribon, well, her books were
based on Helen. Ribon was based on Helen.
So having someone there who looks like Ribon is probably
feels a lot like having Helen there with her.
Especially someone who has access to Helen's memories, even
though she's constantly saying you don't get to remember Helen,
only I do. The fact is her memories are
still there. And it might be a little bit

(42:58):
comforting that they're not gone.
That even though even. Hi Fiona, she says.
I heard Otto talking. It's my turn.
Right, pretty much. What Fiona, did you like the
show? She slept through the whole
thing so. Hi, Fiona.
Yeah, what? Else does she miss her sister?
You know what she she really does.
She's yeah, she's had a rough week.
I'm sorry about your Kitty. Thank you.

(43:21):
The The thing is like, I wasn't really sure how she would take
it cuz they were never really close.
I mean, they tolerated each other.
They would, I mean, they never played together.
They didn't like up until this past month, maybe for the past
month before Lucy passed, they would sleep together on the
couch. Other than that, the only time
they were even near each other was like on me.

(43:43):
And it wasn't to be near each other.
It was to be near me. You know, that was and that was
it. But yeah, this week I think
she's like, well, wait, wait a minute.
What? I mean, you know, maybe I didn't
like her, but I, I loved her. Where is she the first couple of
nights? Doesn't mean I didn't care.
Exactly. The first couple of nights she
spent the whole night just like howling.

(44:03):
Oh, poor baby girl. Yeah.
But I I got up and I took her inmy bedroom, and she slept on the
heated blanket, and that cheeredher up.
Yeah. So she's getting better.
All right. Now she's laying down.
I enjoyed the conversation or the information that so she was
giving about the vodka. I thought that was pretty

(44:26):
interesting. Actually, yeah.
And then Carol had to ruin it bygoing oh, and you just plucked
that knowledge out of his head, huh?
Like, shut up, Carol, enjoy something for once.
Like, you don't have to always be this.
You don't have to always be thisperson.
Like you can let it go occasionally.
I like how Zoshi could have corrected her and said no, I
didn't steal it. Like his mind is in here.

(44:47):
He shared that information. I didn't steal it.
But she doesn't. She just lets Carol be angry.
She really does. She just lets Carol be mad about
things. I think that's part of their
part of the way they are, but also partly because they don't
want to anger her too much because, yeah, you know, the
grenade goes off, the Carol grenade.
They've also got Helen up here and Helen knows Carol's happiest

(45:12):
when she can be miserable, so they just let her be miserable.
It made me sad too when she toldZosha I'm the only one that gets
to remember Helen. And then I thought, does she
not? Did Helen not have any other
family? Well, I mean, how would Helen
feel about that? Yeah.
I mean, I I get it was anger. It was coming out of anger.
Absolutely. But but yeah, I mean, how would
Helen feel about that? Like she had other people in her

(45:33):
life, you know, just because you.
Just absolutely. Friends.
Family, right? Just because you choose to be a
load of solitary doesn't mean that that Helen had to.
Like, I don't believe for a second that Carol's the only
person that would miss Helen if she were gone.
Right, Right. So that's just not fair that
that's but again, yes, it was said in in anger.

(45:54):
I get it. I.
Mean, I get it to care. I mean, it's only been four
days. It's not like it's been right
weeks or anything. It's been 4 days.
Not only did she lose her wife, but the entire world is turned
upside down and she's the only She's alone again.
I say it like I said last week, she is completely alone.
Yeah, which is why she I think why she attached to Zosha even
though she's trying not to. She doesn't want to be

(46:16):
completely alone, even though I don't want to be alone.
Absolutely. But she doesn't really want.
Well, no. Yeah, it has been only four
days. And the opening scene confused
me so much because I didn't notice right away that it was
counting down, right, Right. And so when it said 2000,
whatever. And I'm like, holy crap.
Like we're really OK. Right.
I did the same thing. I was like, man, they did a hell

(46:37):
of a time jump, but I did the same thing.
But then I noticed it was counting backward.
I mean counting up instead of. Backwards.
I didn't notice it until Helen took her scarf off and I'm like,
OK, this is before, jeez. Yeah, that I did do the same
thing. They're like, wow, that was a
they they jumped the big old time jump there.
But yeah, it has whole it has only been four days since Helen

(46:59):
died in a very traumatic way. Like it wasn't like she died in
her sleep or anything peaceful. That was pretty violent and
right in front of her and she couldn't save her.
And she, you know, maybe in her,in her heart, she wants to be
Ribbond, the one who's the hero who saves everybody.
She did kind of put her on a plank, you know, like Ribbond

(47:19):
had to jump off the plank. She did kind of put her on a
plane. But she wants to be the hero,
you know, and she can't, she can't be the hero.
There's nothing she can do. So the only she can do is be the
hero to herself and just be like, I'm just going to be all
by myself and and handle it because that's all I can do.
And still I can't just give in. But how would you give in
anyway? Because you can't join them yet.

(47:40):
So you're just kind of stuck in a limbo.
Even if you want to, you can't at the moment.
Yeah, I love that she's even polite when she's taking a live
grenade away, If we may, Carol. Then she grabs it and throws up.
Polite to the end. As she's dying, she's like, it's
OK, Carol, it's OK. That makes me think, is it

(48:03):
though? Makes me think of the guy
hanging from the crane in the last episode.
She dragged him on. It's OK, Carol.
It's OK. This show is so funny.
I did not expect this show to bethis funny.
I had. No idea what to expect going
into this SO and I've been very very pleasantly surprised.

(48:24):
Abby, we're three episodes in and I am into this show like
it's been a while. It's been since Fear The Walking
Dead that I've been in two or. So here's how I know I'm
enjoying it is because I'm actually pausing when I have to
get up and leave the room and come back.
Yeah, I mean, I, I, it's been since Fear The Walking Dead that
I felt this into a show. So I'm I'm.

(48:45):
OK, all right, all right. I'm I'm not quite on that level,
but but I am enjoying it. It is it's, it's got humor and
suspense and I'm wanting to see where this goes.
Fast bitch named Carol. I know, right?
I mean, Yep, they're speaking. They know their audience.
It's got all it's got. It's checking all the boxes.

(49:06):
Yeah, we're getting some answerswhile creating new questions.
It's it's, yeah, carrying me along.
It's it's. I mean.
Interesting. I have 1000% faith in Vince
Gillian and his team going goingby the Breaking Bad universe.
But it was all perfect. I mean, not perfection, OK, but
close to it. As close as you can get to it.

(49:28):
Breaking Bad in Better Call Saul.
Yeah. Yeah.
They also put the sirens on strictly for Carol's benefit
because Sosha didn't need sirensto know that they were coming.
That's true. The sirens were strictly for
Carol's benefit, which is a nicelittle touch, right?
Like they thought they thought about that.
And then we get to the hospital scene, which was great.

(49:48):
You and I talked about earlier the little act, the actor that
played the DHL guy, yeah, was great.
I think we talked about it a little bit earlier, but.
Talk about face acting. He, he carried that scene right
on his face and it was, it was perfect.
Perfection. He did fantastic, right?

(50:10):
Right. No, he he did.
Oh my goodness. Superb acting.
I also liked that there was a guy in a hospital gown walking
by outside. If you looked outside the
window, you could. I got in the.
Hospital walking by. What?
Why? Why I did not see that?
Maybe he, what the heck, maybe he was on his way to move some
stuff. I don't know, but just a random

(50:32):
guy in a gown going by well, I also, and throughout the show,
nobody has changed clothes for the most part.
Zoysia did, but for a reason, like she didn't go change
clothes because she wanted to orbecause she felt dirty.
She did it because she needed toto play the part that she's
playing. But like the DHL guy, he hasn't
changed clothes in 4 days since since everything went down.
You know the tgi Friday's girl who's flying the plane?

(50:54):
She's still wearing her TGI Friday's outfit.
So that makes you wonder, because they are still human,
they are still sweating. They still have.
I mean, biology is still a very real thing.
Like they would need to shower. Everyone's gonna start stinking.
I'm imagining if you go to change clothes or whatever,
you're not gonna put your work uniform back on and then go fly

(51:15):
a plane. I don't know though, maybe that
maybe that means something. Maybe the outfit they had on
when all this went down is the only thing they know, or the
only like what they're drawn to.I don't know.
I know, I just noticed that people still have you.
Yeah, uniforms on. No, Yeah, right.
But maybe it's just one of thosethings that.
Social also says something aboutwhat used to be private homes.

(51:39):
So are people not staying in homes anymore?
Does the hive mind not stay in homes or do they just go to any
home that they happen to be near?
Right. And walking.
Or are they all just like hanging out in caves?
So, and how do they distribute? Because obviously they have to
distribute food. Like you said, these people are
human. They still have to eat.
So how are they, if they're not in a home, are they going to
line up every day and get food on the street?

(52:00):
And then I'm like, I'm interested in what the mechanics
are of this. I agree because OK, going back,
I know we keep going back and forth, which we didn't want to
do, but here we are. This is life.
When they're, when they're restocking the Sprouts, those
vans, those trucks showed up within 10 minutes, which means
the food was already on those trucks.

(52:20):
Right. And specific to that store,
apparently because they brought all the stuff back to that
specific store. Right.
Well, I mean, that I could maybeoverlook because it's just it's
food, right. So they bring and they restock
food. But but still, yes, to me it
seems like they had just emptiedthat store.
The food was still on the trucksand then they just brought it

(52:41):
right back. Yeah, well, I thought about that
too, because they're like, we'llbe there in a moment.
And literally by the time she walks outside, they're pulling
up, right? So how?
How? Had to have been nearby too.
I mean, I'm, I'm just interestedin how they're, again, she says.
What used to be work, taking things that could be useful from
hospitals, grocery stores, what used to be private homes.

(53:01):
So yeah, again, are people not staying in homes?
Are they staying on the street? Are they just standing there all
night? Like like what what is going on?
And how does the distribution thing work?
Or is that mean distribution to the aliens that are coming to
take everything or but then if that was the case, why would
they bother to tell Carol this go.
It could be months before we do you because if they're going to

(53:22):
come and take all the resources of Earth, then there's nothing
left for the humans. So it's very it's very
interesting. I'm very interested to see where
this is going. Yeah, I hope in in the next
couple of episodes we get to seewhat's going on with I don't, I
don't. What do we call them?
The the hive mind? I guess the people, people in
the hive. Cuz yeah, it's it is.

(53:44):
Yeah, yeah, these are a lot of answers.
I mean, ultimately doesn't matter.
Maybe not, but it's just it is curious.
I'm really wondering where Carol's going to go next because
of the basically, like I said, the head tilt at the end of the
episode when she's sitting thereand she's like, oh, they maybe
this is more than I thought about.
I was so worried about being individual that I didn't realize

(54:05):
all the things that they would do for me for real.
Like I thought they were just joking around but they brought
me a grand. Grenade.
But I guess for one she was I. I liked seeing this side of
Carol too. When she was genuinely worried
about Zocia, that was that she really was like.
Also, when that happened to Zocia, did anyone else feel

(54:27):
those effects? Did anyone else die as a result
of this? She said because remember
earlier on when they were drinking and she's like, do
others get? Drunk when you drunk, right?
So I don't think it's, it's not like an ET when ET drank the
beer and Elliot got drunk at school.
I don't think it's like that. I think it's more like they
think like other people know that she's drinking, but they're

(54:48):
not feeling the effect, but they're aware of that she's
doing it just like, so just likewhen Carol saved her from Abbate
or whatever his name is for being part of his harem, but yet
as part of the hive mind, she's still going to experience
everything that those women experienced because she's part
of the hive mind. So sure, she may have saved her

(55:09):
from the actual physical physicality of it, but she
didn't save her from the experience of it.
Does that make sense? It does, but I guess my my
question is what I mean, social was literally blown up and like
like physically hurt over over this and we know.
Well, OK, I guess physically what's happening is different
than cuz what set them off before was Carol like freaking

(55:31):
out on her right then that negative emotion that was.
Right. And that made her go into the
spasms. This was this was just actual
injury. Like she's just actually
physically injured. And it wasn't like Carol threw
the grenade at her. That might have had a different
result, right? If she were, yeah.
OK, so because Carol's emotions weren't a factor in all of this

(55:53):
than other than everyone else was probably safe from this
because. OK.
She wasn't injured by Carol, shewas injured by.
The grenade. And again, Carol is not a bad
person. Like I don't feel like Carol
would willingly blow up. No, somebody you know, just just
she's, she's not a bad person. A bad person.
She's just a miserable person. She just makes bad decisions.

(56:15):
Yeah, well, and she genuinely thought it was a fake fake.
She didn't think it was real. Yeah, the scene, the part of the
scene when she leaned right intoZosia's face before she grabbed
the grenade, she's like you guysremind effers.
But the presence of the actor tostay just serenely looking while
racy horn is right up in her face.

(56:36):
I was like the, you know what? Good.
That was great. That was awesome.
I mean, good directing, not justthe actor, but that's the
director made her, told her to do this.
Like, that was a fantastic sequence.
I would love to see the bloopersfrom that scene.
Yeah, so if we end with the hospital scene with Carol's
little head cock like. She's she's definitely got some.

(56:58):
She's definitely got some ideas cooking up, yeah.
I mean, see what it is? She could in effect take them
all out by being angry, which iswhat she's good at, but she
doesn't want to do that. But that's not saving anyone,
right? There's a still people that
she's killing. And by the way, if anybody's
wondering why Carol's having a problem, she also was

(57:18):
responsible for killing 11 million people.
I'm sorry. Yeah.
That is going to sit on your shoulders pretty heavily no
matter who you are. OK.
Absolutely. Unless you are Stalin because he
was OK with it. But.
Even in the world, even. Normal.
She's still feeling the weight. Right.
She shows you feel like I killed811,000,000 people.
So yeah, I'm fine that that is also, I was, I rewatched the

(57:41):
first one and I don't. We were, we were discussing that
perhaps the actual changing itself is what killed Helen or
kills other people. But I don't know if that's true
because Helen hits her hard, herhead pretty hard on the pavement
when she falls backwards. That's true.
And I saw someone else say that embrace her, that that red stuff

(58:03):
around, that red look around hereyes is indicative of a head
trauma incident. OK.
So I don't think that the actualchanging is what killed them, I
think it's the accidents that occurred from.
During, Right, OK, that makes a lot of sense.
Right? That makes a lot of sense.
Just like what happened with Carol, she had that negative
emotion. People didn't didn't die from

(58:25):
that. They died because of what
happened during and that that sees up or that freak out.
When she had it there, say, I don't know, the little kid was
standing up on the table or something, and then he fell off
and hit his head. That would have killed him.
Not the, not the shaking. Part exactly so I.
Think that, I mean, I'm, I'm not100% obviously, but I, I think

(58:46):
that is something we need to remember that I don't think it's
the ACT itself. I think it's the accident.
Like the grandfather who died from the car crash, he didn't
die because of the seizure. He died because the car crashed.
That's a very good point, very good point.
Yeah, Yep. Yeah, I could totally agree with
that. So, but on the whole, I think
this show is just freaking amazing.

(59:08):
It it's got me it's I could I could watch.
I'm probably going to go back today and watch it again the 1st
3 episodes just because I like it.
Oh, Tom Snails was in the first episode.
Thomas Schnails, who was the. I know that name.
Why do I know the? Name he was the Co producer
executive producer on Breaking Bad I mean.
Better Call Saul. Better Call Saul.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in the first episode when

(59:30):
they passed the bus that's on fire.
When Carol drives past the bus that's on fire and there's all
the people that were on the bus that are standing on the side of
the road. He is one of the people standing
on the side of the road. OK.
And he kind of walks out into the street behind her, you know?
So. OK, I did not find that myself.
I don't remember what podcast itwas I was watching.

(59:50):
Yeah. That's where I saw it.
Yeah. Credit.
Where's credit? Where's due?
If I could remember. So I don't.
So sorry. I'm just saying it.
Wasn't. That's awesome.
It wasn't me, Yeah. Let me go back to my notes real
quick. When she said, when Zoysia said
they were like when they're talking about turning the lights
off and Zoysia says you donated twice to the Sierra Club, we
thought you'd understand. That was funny.

(01:00:12):
That was really funny. Again, it's just another
instance. If they don't really understand
humans, even though they're every human on the planet, they
still don't understand humans and human thinking.
Well, it's it's almost like because there's so much
knowledge, they're all hyper rational, right?
There's no, OK, that is going tosound.

(01:00:34):
So it reminds me of Temperance Brennan in the first few seasons
of Bones, right? Where she's just hyper rational.
There's no, there is no emotion,right?
There's no room for emotional thought when you're trying, when
when you're trying to achieve something, emotions play no part
in it. And and that's kind of what
they're doing. It's like there's so much going

(01:00:54):
on. They know everything.
They know everything. And so they're just, they're
hyper rational about everything.And so yeah, but but I agree
there's a human element when youhave emotional thought about
things. But we're not, we're not seeing
a lot of that because I think it's there's just two.
They have all the knowledge. And I think it's also maybe a

(01:01:14):
log jam of knowledge, like you have so many different
perspectives and cultures and ideas and venues of knowledge
that are all coming together at one point and they're actively
working against each other. You know what I mean?
So you have this side this, thistrain of thought over here and
the opposite train of thought here.
And they're banging against eachother now.

(01:01:36):
So nobody's getting anywhere. So it's like this log jam of
knowledge and, and everything. And they can't.
It's all just one big jumble. Sure.
What happens when you have opposing opinions in there,
right? I mean, the same reason we go to
see multiple doctors for second opinions.
You know, doctors aren't always going to agree on a course of
treatment. So yeah, that's got to going on

(01:01:56):
just in this hive mind, just. Think you've got 2 opposite
personalities in Helen and Carol.
And if they were, say you have amillion Helens and a million
Carols and they all come together and they're all just
going to be pushing against eachother and there's not going to
be any, any headway made there. And I feel like that might be
kind of like what's going on with this hive mind is there's
just so much thought. And because humans are different

(01:02:19):
and these aliens may not know that, right?
They, they never experienced humans.
They don't know what we're like.They don't understand how humans
think and work. And so they're trying to apply
alien whatever to humans and it's not working.
This like I keep calling it a log jam because it's the only
way I can think of it as this log jam of, of personalities
knowledge is just creating a standstill.
It's like a traffic jam. You got the car, this car of

(01:02:41):
Helen and this car of Carol, andthen you got Helen and Carol
here and they're all converged in the middle and no one could
go anywhere. And I feel like that's kind of
why they they have this knowledge block about humanity,
because they're taking so much information from so many humans,
they can't make it all fit together into one.
Well, this, this recipe or whatever you want to call it
that they sent over has all these ingredients in it and
emotion just might not be one ofthem.

(01:03:03):
They might have just removed theemotion, the emotional factor
from from this cocktail. And you know that they tried
that on Star Trek and it was oneof the most popular characters
ever, so. Data.
Oh well, Mr. Spock. In Spock, Yeah.
No, wait, Data was what did you say?
Start. Yeah.
You Star Trek too? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

(01:03:24):
Well, OK, to be fair, Data was arobot.
Yeah, yeah. True, yes.
You know, biological form half full.
Yeah, yeah. But but yes, yes.
Everything we're saying is, is true.
I think there's just no. And it's the emotions that one
could argue is what makes you human.
You know, it's the emotional factor which we're not seeing

(01:03:45):
from them. They are extremely intelligent,
think everything through rationally, do everything the
right way, but there's just no emotions attached to it.
Right. It's just a lack of
understanding. So you can read, say, data from
someone's medical chart. You can have all the data in the
world from someone's medical chart, but you don't understand
that person just because you have their medical chart with

(01:04:07):
all their data on it. You know what?
I. Mean.
Well, no, but when you're speaking medically, you don't
need to know them emotionally trying to fix an if you're
trying to fix an ailment, it doesn't matter who they are,
that's you just need to know what's wrong.
That's exactly how they are, because they're trying to fix
humanity or. Exactly, exactly.
They're hyper rational. They don't need emotion in in
any of this to fix the problem which.

(01:04:29):
But their problem, their problemthat they're encountering right
now requires them to have some emotion to understanding of,
because otherwise they do thingslike give her a hand grenade.
Carol has too much emotion and they we have none and.
There's a movie where the negative emotion of humans in
the area created evil that took over the city.

(01:04:53):
Does anybody know what movie I'mtalking about?
Drop it in the comments if you do.
That sounds familiar. It's a sequel to another movie
that was really famous. Does that help anybody out?
All right, I'm gonna tell you the answer.
I'm gonna tell you it's drop. Spoilers.
Drop your answers now because I'm getting ready to answer as
Ghostbusters 2 yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah and the negative emotion of
the New Yorkers turns into pink slime beneath the city.
The slit it makes the IT makes the They use the positive

(01:05:16):
emotions to make the Statue of Liberty walk through the.
Same. Yep, Yep, Yep.
That's right. That's.
Right, been done Vince copying Ghostbusters too.
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I can't really think of anythingelse.
I've been back through my notes.I'm sure there's a million

(01:06:44):
things I want to say that I'm I'm there is something I want to
say. In episode 2 they make a big
show out of talking about the nuclear football Abate or
whatever. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Has nuclear football, and here we have the atom bomb coming up
in this episode. The nuclear football that
doesn't work anymore. Why did they say it didn't work?
He didn't. He just says.

(01:07:04):
I don't think it works anymore. OK.
Yeah, OK. Anyway, I just found it
interesting that we had the nuclear.
Yeah, again, they made a point to talk about the nuclear
football in a very, you know, look here.
It is, yeah. The Chekhov's nuclear football.
Yeah, just like we had. So what do you?
Chekhov's hand grenade in this one.
I'm not gonna ask you what you think is gonna happen in the

(01:07:24):
next episode. I'm gonna ask you, what do you
want to see in the next episode?That is a tough question because
I don't usually think about things like that really.
I already told you what I want to see.
I kind of want to see, I don't know, I want to see Carol just
ask for the most outrageous shitshe can think of to see what
they bring her. I mean.
What do you think? What what?

(01:07:45):
There are some examples of what could be the most outrageous.
Stuff a killer whale. Well, no, they can't do that.
That would require them to take it out of the ocean, which would
be effectively killing it. Not if they put it in a big,
huge tanker and bring it to her.OK, that's fair.
I mean. What would you ask for?

(01:08:05):
Oh God. Well, money.
If you were Carol, Nope. You're Carol, and you could have
anything. I want to have a house on the
beach and just go to the beach every day.
That's it. I mean literally that would be
it. Have some books and and and give
me and let me go to the store and grab some DVDs to watch

(01:08:28):
since you took my TV away and let me go to the beach every day
and I'll be perfectly flip and happy.
Now what I would, well, I was going to say they said all the
dogs are off their leashes, off their chains, but I would be
like also give every dog a good home.
But they set all the dogs free, so that's not necessary.
So if all the dogs are free, arethey fending for themselves?
Or do you think someone's like feeding them because they aren't

(01:08:50):
domestic, right? Right.
And I mean, setting all the dogsfree, you know what you're gonna
get? You're gonna get a pack of wild
dogs roaming. Streets, absolutely.
That's dangerous. Right.
And like, here's here's the problem.
Like something we didn't really talk about, but like the
wildlife explosion that's going to happen because nobody's,
excuse me, my throat just tickled.
Nobody's hunting them or killingthem.

(01:09:12):
There's no meat industry anymore.
So all those meat animals are just out there.
They're just, I wonder if they still do dairy because they're
like they don't have to kill them to get dairy.
So I guess they'd still. Do dairy.
But so like, there's going to belike this wildlife proliferation
that's going to happen, which isnot good either.
No, no, we have deer season for a reason.
Yeah, well, I mean, they're, they said they got mauled and

(01:09:35):
stuff. I guess they're like, OK, that's
just part of what happens. We get mauled by.
I mean, if humans are just another part of nature and then
we got to find our place in the in the food chain.
What I really want to see in thenext episode is more explanation
of how the hive mind works. OK, that that is what I really,

(01:09:55):
I mean, all all crap aside, that's really what I want to see
because that's kind of what I'm really interested in.
Like how exactly is this? Is this working?
Like, I mean, I get it. It's ATV show and like
everything's not going to be perfect because like I just just
like, you know, like The WalkingDead, everything's not going to
be perfect. We can't everything can't be
perfect. But give me an explanation as to
how this works. That's that's.

(01:10:15):
That's what I want. OK, a little clarification.
Yeah. Yeah.
I wanna see what they do. I wanna see what they're doing.
Yeah. Do they sleep?
Yeah. Do they sleep?
Do they eat? Yeah.
How does the hive might work? Are the people just standing
around doing nothing like empty shells when there's nothing to
do? Right?
What's going on are do we have abunch of people farming?

(01:10:37):
I mean like all the all the Vegas go go dancers are now out
farming in their go go boots, walking in the mud with I mean
what what is going? On Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
But yeah, I, we'll. Get some kind of answers.
I think this show is great again.
I have a million percent confidence in Vince Gilligan to
give us. The episode was written and
directed by Gordon Wood, Gordon Wood, Gordon Wood, Gordon Smith,

(01:10:58):
Gordon Smith, who also was a bigmover and shaker on Better Call
Saul. He he wrote and he wrote Bagman,
which was the one where that's a.
Good one, yeah. Might go across the desert.
And he also did Catery, which isone of my favorite episodes.
That's the one where they put his brother on the stand.
Chuck where they put Chuck. On the stand.

(01:11:19):
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Gordon, Gordon Smith, you're.OK, you're.
The bomb. My friend.
Awesome. Yeah, awesome.
So great. That's it.
Look awesome. Under hour and a half, Rachel,
And that was with us. A break.
Break. Yep, I know.
See, David, this is how you do it.
I missed. I'm kidding, we missed.
You we missed you, I missed yourwe missed a whole third opinion,

(01:11:41):
which is why we could we're ableto.
Get Dave always brings up reallygood points and stuff too, and I
missed. I missed that because I had a
lot of stuff I wanted to play off of him on this and he wasn't
here. Dave.
Dave, that's OK. We let your we understand.
Work get in way of your real work.
Yeah, we understand he would. He would much rather be here.
With us, I know you know, I'm just, I'm just picking on you,

(01:12:01):
man, because I really wish you were here.
I'm sorry. I know we missed you, Dave.
We missed you. We missed you.
All right. Well, thanks for listening.
We we expect you to insert your opinions in this as you go.
You can tell us why we're wrong in everything.
Yeah, they'll be like a little box like David that pops up from
the bottle. And This is why they're wrong.

(01:12:22):
I mean it's. Yep, and he'll be like, if I
were here, this is what I would have said right here.
Little box of David that pops upso.
We missed. No, we missed your input.
We did. We did.
But next week, all right, Next week.
I wonder how many episodes are in the show.
I know it's probably only like 10.
It's the first season, so probably not many.
It's already been green lighted for season 2, which is good

(01:12:43):
news. Good.
Awesome. That is good.
All right, again, I one more thing I can't resist shouting
out racy Horn one more time. Because you're carrying.
She's carrying the show and she is doing a brilliant, brilliant
job. Of it, there she is.
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