PLURIBUS |1x06 "HDP"

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That's the science, my ex. Roommate used to use when it
came to food, he said. Well you got Constipation.
You eat a couple of greasy burgers you slide right out.
Yes, I agree. So they're called sliders.
Grease is gut lubricant. It's meant to be slid right out
of you. Yep, just slides right out I.

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Love it. That's the American spirit,
right? There we're talking about
nutrition and We are Walking Dead, a podcast pulverizing
programs beyond The Walking Deaduniverse.
Sometimes we give you news, sometimes we make you laugh.
Most times we go deep. Today we're here to talk to you
about Pluribus, 6th episode of its inaugural season titled
simply HDP, or as the English would say, HDP, which would be

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human derived protein. Oh.
My gosh. I'm not sure there's a whole lot
to dive into on this title. I think it's pretty
straightforward. Yeah, unfortunately for us, but
yeah, we talked a bit about JohnCena prior to jumping on.
Do the official. Recording, so if you want that,
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About John Cena. Now you see me.
I didn't know that's. What?
No, that's so. Wrong you.
Can't see me. Oh my gosh.
John Cena is definitely not my collective SO.
My gosh, John Cena just stopped listening to us.
He just. Exited the collective.

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I'm such a great fan. John Cena has left the
conversation. Because I exited the chat before
we get started, I do want to start off with one thing.
Our TikTok obviously we had a clip and that clip was of Sharon
D going the one thing I hate about Carol Sturka is that she
was really mean to Zosha. It's really clearly what she did

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that actually generated some responses.
And of the three responses we received, listen, I always
thought I was pro human. These guys are way more human
than humanist. Than I am.
The only human supremacy group that I run, right?
These guys are like the extreme version of that.
Let me read them out to you. It's actually kind of
interesting though at the same time, because if for some reason

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they're not thinking the way we are, and I actually kind of find
it pretty interesting starting with the top, Yeah.
Why didn't Carol care more aboutthe alien invader that forced
their will upon the entire planet, killing 1/8 of the
population in the process? They.
Didn't kill the population. Let's get that straight right
off the bat. Well. 1/8 of the population that
1 billion almost remember. They didn't kill.

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They didn't kill anybody. I know, that's fine, right?
I get it. My response?
Never let your guard down. Never.
Oh my. Gosh.
OK, next. Keep hope alive and next one is
from CHE Spirits chase spirits. Zocia Isn't Zocia the human.
She's an alien pretending. OK, extreme human supremacist,

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right? It's a valid theory I'll accept,
right? Again, they're not mean
comments, they're just like backhanded insults.
Not even, they're just opinions so far.
But they, they have a little stank on them, right, don't
they? Which is fine.
That's the Internet for you, the.
First one was a little stanky but I'm not mad at it.
Yeah, I'm not mad at any of these.
Watch I say alien question mark.Compared to us, Yes, pretending

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question mark. Debatable exclamation mark.
Yeah, not, not pretending. They've been very open and
honest about. Right and then, but never let
your guard down. Ever.
Oh. My gosh.
Anyway, AH says she also made a declaration for her agency after
taking away social's agency. This comment that I like the
most. Yeah, well, there you go.
And I said I think we all, we'veall been guilty of that at some
stage in our lives. Sweats, eyes, no likes on that

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one. I did get a response on.
Never let your guard down to thefirst guy, by the way.
Thank you very much. And last but not least, Breo
says this is certainly a take, not a good one.
But unlike Zosha, she is allowedto have an opinion.
Wait, the hive mind doesn't haveopinions or thoughts or belief
systems? This is all I could fit in 150

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characters, but quote UN quote zo show was my response is a
mere extension of a singular being distributed across these
nodes that were formerly individuals.
It has opinions and beliefs. OK, so I guess my response would
be maybe the reason that it upset to me is because I feel
like Carol would treat anybody that way if she wanted to get
something out of them. Well, he also listened to the
whole episode where like we don't blame her, but but still,

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it was really the take away they're.
They're reacting to that clip alone, yeah, and not taking into
account the entire context of our conversation.
Now also we want her to win, butalso we realize what it takes to
win. I kind of like the idea of
releasing clips that. Antagonize people.
Yeah. Like Carol does.
I mean, that's what the Internetis all about, right?
Is pissing people off. And if we can.

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Do that last week. They're paying attention to us.
Yeah, unless they like block. Yes.
Which people do, right? I don't like what you said.
I've been saying since the very beginning how much I hate Carol.
After the first episode I said Ihate Carol.
But you're like, why? Why don't I hate Carol?
And like, yeah. And we have to explain it now.
I think it's kind of interesting, though.
We should take in these opinionsand be like, yeah, maybe we

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shouldn't let our guard down. Maybe we have to not forget that
despite the fact that they're kind of Jainists, and I'll
explain what Jainism is later onin the episode, they don't do
harm to living beings, period. Even microbes, some on the
extremes they have invaded in their own way and even if it's
unintentional. Crazy.

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Right, that's why the series is so interesting.
Agreed. But yeah, they're getting a
little yeah. It only further supports my
theory. The alien invasion.
They're preparing Earth for their own arrival.
Habitation. Cool.
Habitation and and they're doingthis by basically starving out
the human race. And they would be the slaves in

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turn. Or maybe they just wait for
human race to die off and then they come invade the earth after
we're gone. If that was the case, then why
would they bother healing peoplewho are sick or hurt?
Just let them die. Well, shut up.
Why do they give preferential treatment to the humans that are
left at their own expense? You don't have to be the

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smartest person in the world or see, as evidenced by the
comments, we know that's you. David, Yeah.
But, or charity rather. Really 'cause let's start off
with this right Sharony? You were right, it was human.
Body parts. Yeah, linear.
How about that, Rachel? That wasn't really a huge.
I even said like, I'm like, there's going to be some kind of

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twist to it. And the twist was it didn't
matter. Nobody cared because.
I was right too, Carole. Big hero moment, which I've said
all along, she wants to be the hero of the story, and her big
hero moment turned out to be no big deal.
Right, because what I had said last week was, yeah, they
already knew a week ago. Everybody else knew except for
her. This whole time, all the
dramatic music, all the gasping,although you just have to video

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and tell everybody about this. No, they knew already a week.
Yeah, it's because they asked questions, so you can't.
Trust them long enough to actually ask them, even though
she knows they can't lie. Carol.
You're a writer, you write things were question what the
characters are going to do. Why don't you question these
people and ask them questions? It's like she's so angry and
hurt at Helen's death that she can't think anything else.

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It's just I've got to get back at these beings for whatever
they did. I'm going to figure out how to
change it back and I'll be the hero of the story.
But nobody cares, no. Nobody cares.
Exactly. Because they all have their own
thing. The only person that's possibly
gonna care is Menusos. Everybody's got their family.
Kumba's got his little fantasy 007 James Bond world he's living

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in. Complete fantasy.
Well, there was. A little mirror too.
Because his hero moment got spoiled when eye patch went out
of character. He was the hero of the game.
His moment was broken and nobodycared.
Because they're all hive mind. None of them.
Because they're all. Pretending to he cared.
Just like Carol is the one who cares, OK?
So she he's still, in his own way, still a mirror image of

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Carol. OK, I like that.
Let me add a little bit more color to the scene where Eye
Patch breaks character. When he gets back into
character, it's the little things.
He hits the glass right? As if he's like back into
character. Do you realize where he hit the
glass onto? Yes, I.
Did. It was the.
Crotch of the guy next to him, Yes, and it breaks it, he hit it

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so hard. It breaks.
On the guy's crotch. Yeah, there's.
Something so fantastic about that.
So wait, maybe there's somethingwe can get out of that.
This is a reach in a weird way, because technically I'm right
about this, but technically it might not even matter.
Does hitting the glass and making it break prove in a small

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way that they can harm themselves?
It's. Accidental.
What they said before is they can't hurt anything on purpose,
like stepping on a bug. You can't avoid stepping on a
bug. Sometimes it's going to happen.
So they can't purposely hurt people, but in the act of doing
a thing that Kumba wants them todo, they accidentally hurt
someone. That's not the same thing, but.

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Isn't an accident because it seems to me that if they were to
be a being that is mindful or atleast vigilant over not hurting
or harming anything, even the act of accidentally doing
something, which it could be debated if Kumba tells them to,
will they harm themselves? Perhaps.
And if they do, Because here's the opposite side of that coin.
When Kumba says, hey, they thought of an idea of having

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farming robots, but they would have to be the ones to build
them. And if they have to build them,
there's an intention. And if you have the intention,
they're putting their intentionson the robots and the robots are
doing the harm. So that's why they can't do it.
Their intention is to build these robots to do the farming,
to do the harming. So they can't build the robots
in turn because it would be go against their beliefs I.
See what you're saying? But I think in this context,

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they can't control the physics of where a glass is going to go.
I don't think it was like we're going to do this on purpose.
Well, but. I think what David's saying is
by hitting the glass he hit he hurt himself, not the other guy.
Also both sides, sure. Oh.
That's what. OK, that's what I thought you
mean. What if Carol demanded that they
kill her? What would that do?
Would that short circuit? Demanded that they kill her,

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right? Because they can't attack.
A gun. Right.
They can't hurt anything, but they can't tell her no.
But that was before they denied her some other stuff.
I. Just meant themselves, not
Carol, not others. If they're allowed to harm
themselves in the process, whichwhich has a ton of implications.
If they can harm themselves, they can eat themselves.
Or. Caused the demise that were lead
to some a fingernail, let's say their person or extension of

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them in a node to be dead or harmed or amputated even in the.
Sense that they let themselves starve to death maybe, but I
think they can do accidental things like hitting a glass.
You can hit a glass now and you're not be sure it's going to
hurt you, but then. Why do it's just?
Incidental for the. Pleasure of Kumba here's.
What I feel is like he said, Hey, watch the James Bond movie

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Thunderball, or one of you has seen this movie and I want you
to act it out because that's basically what they were doing.
As far as hurting the guy, that wasn't intentional.
It was just something that I'm about.
With you, I would even go as faras because I'm all about the
whole suspension of disbelief for the sake of the story.
I'm like, it's a plot hole. It's not technically even a plot
hole, you dimwit on Reddit. I know I should be something,

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but it's more like, OK, I'll allow for creative license on
that one. Sure.
Whatever. But sometimes you just have to
kind of say, oh, yeah, but does that mean something?
Will that come back later? The fact that he hit his hand on
the glass, maybe he would have bled or his crotch would be
injured or somehow has a black and blue on the ball or
something. Anyway, looked.
Like it hurt, by the way, just didn't say it was.

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Like, oh, I listened to the official podcast, and they were
talking about the scene in particular.
Some of the guests were intendedto be impersonators of famous
people from the 60s. Bob Dylan.
Yeah, Bob. Dylan.
Dylan. There was Elvis.
Obviously. Elvis.
Yeah, Audrey Hepburn, the lady in the black dress who came up
with the cigarette holder that was.
Audrey Hepburn, who was the guy with the tattoo on on somebody's

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butt? He was in one of the series.
Oh yeah, it was in Fear The Walking Dead.
What's her name like in the lot?Morgan's girlfriend.
What is her name now? Wow.
Karen Slash wife. Grace Grace Like the artist.
And she played the cassette overand over.
Roy Orbison. Took me a while to get this.
One of them, Roy Orbison, that. Was like the most.

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But who had the tattoo of Roy Orbison on their part and it was
like AI think it was an Adam Sandler.
I see. That's.
What it was, it was. The Waterboy, thank you.
Oh yeah. See where?
My mind see I make associations.What Mama don't know won't hurt
her. Those were the three that I
caught and that. Was another reason I wanted to

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go back and watch it again because I immediately noticed
that they were impersonating real people and I wanted to go
back and write down all the onesthat I caught.
Yeah, it. Wasn't immediately clear to me,
but it was like, are they? Are they not?
But yeah, I guess that's enough.Well, a little bit more on that
scene because we're not the official podcast.
Excuse me. So is the Elvis Suite, and it
actually exists because the actual hotel exists.

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Westgate Hotel does actually exist, does actually have the
Elvis Suite, which is called theImperial Sky Villa.
That's an Elvis theme suite which is building an exact
location where Elvis Presley lived during his historic Vegas
residency from 1969 to 1976. Though it is a modern
reimagining with Elvis touches, not the original layout.
Yeah. That's been redone.
Eat that. Official podcast.

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Just salty about that apparently.
Clearly so. Another fun little thing is they
actually filmed in Vegas the stuff on the Billboard when
they're talking to Carol. That is real.
That is not CGI. The electronic sign, right?
The big Kumba that's. Not real banner.
It is real. It is.
It is here. OK.
Do you know what it says on it? Yeah.

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The king well. It says more than that.
It's the King of Westgate, Lua. Westgate Samba shoot said in the
official podcast that that was his first day was shooting all
of the photo shoots for all of his portraits that are hanging
around. Don't you just love that?
Yeah, he's a beautiful man. It was funny that that banner

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was real. He tells a story about somebody
saying, I'm not going to go listen to the podcast, but it
was I love. His his actual accent is very
much more American. Oh yes, very.
Much. Yes, yes.
And I know that he's also, I added this little detail in my
notes. He, I know he's playing somebody
from Senegal too. He is from Mauritania, but his
lineage is from Senegal. I'll tell you why I know this is

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because he is referencing a dishthat is primarily and
exclusively it was the chicken. Chicken.
Yasa yasa. Right, which is it's typical,
it's basically a typical Senegalese dish.
And so let me expand on that just a little bit.
Obviously the main language in Senegal is French because
Senegal itself has multiple languages, the most popular of

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which is well off, the most widely spoken language, in fact,
Google says it's the national lingua franca of community for
communication between different ethnic groups is well off.
But French being the official language, because obviously it
was a French administration for a little while, because, you
know, that whole thing, that little dirty word.
We love colonialism. Which actually is kind of
apropos for the series, if you think about it.

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These human beings were colonized by the hive mind.
What? Would be the point of Vegas now
because of the hive mind, because the whole point of Vegas
is gambling and fun and money doesn't mean anything.
So I sense about Kumba, like would I be more like him or more
like Carol? I would be more like Kumba like
in the sense that I would want to travel and go see things and
do things. Like I don't feel like I would

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be go, don't talk to me. I was wondering how you guys
felt like you would be. Would you be more like Carol or
more like Kumba? Would you be like, no, I don't
want anything to do with you Or would you be like, hey, you know
what? I'm going to use this to do
things I want to do and live in a fantasy because that's what
he's doing. This is not real.
Will that wear out eventually? There's.
A lot of places to go and a lot of things to see before you

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would get bored. I do agree it would eventually.
Once you've seen everything 10/20/30 times, sure.
As far as Vegas specifically, wedid talk about this a little bit
and I was of the mind. I know money doesn't mean
anything anymore, but a lot of times when I gamble, winnings
cool, but I don't ever expect towin.
So for me, it's just about the experience and like the rush of

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the gamble. It's really just about having
fun and that's what he's doing. Arguably, he's having more fun
because money doesn't mean anything, so he's not really
losing anything either. There's no risk.
Right. And he can just rig it so that
he does win. I'm.
Fairly sure he wasn't dealt a royal flash in that game like it
was obviously shut up. Absolutely, personally I would

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be more like cool but not specifically rigging up a poker
game. But I honestly had to go back to
Ireland. OK, but.
Part of the fun of doing that isinteracting with the people.
So what would the culture? Yeah, yes, it's OK to go look at
buildings and stuff, but is it the same if there's not the
people? And like Dave said, the culture

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and the society there I could. Make it so that you would.
Also know that it's not real. It's more of a tomb, yeah, in
the sense, isn't it? Define.
What's real? I mean, if they are exposing you
to this culture, isn't it still real?
That's kind of. What I was saying by it being a
tomb because it would be the endof what was it's.
Also tailored to you, no? It would just be if I said

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whatever members of the hive mind lived here, put them back
there and have them continue living what would have been
their individual life, right? So you're saying I would be more
like Kumba? I would stage certain areas to
give me the experience of what it would have been like?
It wouldn't. Be tailored to me.
Would be tailored 100% to you. Why would they be doing it
otherwise? OK, let's say, for example, I

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wanted to go back to Dingle, andI said, all right, everyone who
lived in Dingle put them back there.
I want them to act like they would normally.
I don't know what that means. I can't say.
I can't say. Oh, Mr. Yeah.
Well, they all still have their memories.
They all still know what that is.
It's all part of the collective,I mean.
They have the memories, but to whose benefit would that be if

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not for you? It wouldn't be there for their
benefit. Well, obviously.
But it's still their culture I'mstill experiencing.
Their culture there is. What you remember is their
culture. It wouldn't.
Be what I remember, it would. Be what they.
Remember, they wouldn't. Be doing it to benefit
themselves or what was there because there is no their
culture. No, you're asking me if I would

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do what Kumba is doing. The answer is yes, I would do
what's what Kumba is doing. Before I say and what I would
do, hold on, let me go to Jason because he says first.
He says I was so surprised to see John Cena that came out of
nowhere for me. Cool, obviously and he is a big
deal. He's on a streak too.
He's doing great in Peacemaker, which I've yet to see, but now

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Given hit the rave reviews. I've got to see it it's.
So good, that is the only TV show intro I will not skip
through. The dance apparently is a thing.
Yeah, I didn't. I don't know.
I know of it. I don't know it, Jason also says
in the chat. I'd want to see and stay at nice
places too, but having people act out things, Probably not.

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That's my answer. You so it.
Would always be there in the back of your mind that it wasn't
real. I would.
Be fine with that as long as I'mnot delusional.
Bring. On the delulu, Bring it on,
you're in. Ireland And in the back of your
mind you always know that the experience you're having isn't
authentic really, because these people are just acting.
It's not the same. They don't want.

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To be there is my thing and you.Can lie to yourself they don't
have to be like once yes, but you're always going to know that
it's not real here's my. Response to that because in a
similar fashion to them, part ofme is like, well now that I know
they have an expiration date within 10 years they'll die.
And if whatever I'm doing in some way accelerates that, I'm
feeling like they are about not wanting to harm things because

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knowing that whatever play acting that they perform may
expend more of their energy being.
On the caloric deficit, Sure. Did you?
See any milk cartoons anywhere in that scenario?
That 60 scenario I didn't. It could be in the drinks, I
guess, but I don't think there are, which made me actually feel
a little bit of harsh feelings towards Kuma because he knew a

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week already of their caloric deficit problem.
I don't know if he knows or if he's aware or if he cares and
knows specifically that they're reserving as John Cena said in
the video or they John Cena. He said we reserve the freshest
in whatever packaged windfall whatever for you over us.
So whatever play acting he's doing only exacerbates the

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problem and knows full well thatanything that is on offer for
everybody is more on offer for the rest of the survivors over
the collective. So meaning while they're kings
in their castle eating chicken legs and stuff like that,
everybody else is kind of starving of.
Course, Carol didn't know when she did it, but that was the
same effect when she had him fill up the entire sprouts,
right? But Carol did not know, right?

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I got very worked up about that,Carol.
'S not going to go back and be like, hey, come get your stuff
out of the sprouts. I feel bad, Sprouts.
You're talking about the supermarket, right?
Is that what it was? Right?
She's she's not. Going to have them come back and
say, hey, come get all this foodback out of the sprouts because
you guys need it. She's going to be like, I don't
care. I honestly don't know.
I honestly don't know how because I'm glad they left it

(21:23):
where it was. She it didn't look like she
cared when she drove off and almost ran over Kumba's toes but
maybe that's just Kumba. But I don't know how she feels
about the collective after this necessarily.
I know she doesn't want them to harvest her stem cells but like
you said in the chat. He has eggs out there because in
episode 3 in our little flashback to the Ice Hotel, she

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says to Helen, we could have saved $100,000 and frozen my
eggs right here. And they had made a joke earlier
in the episode about the guy waslike, you'll feel like A and
then he said some Finnish words,whatever, and was like a yolk
and a egg. So it was like, oh, maybe she
was referring to that. But what they said in this
specifically was we will not take stem cells out of your

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body. Why the out of your body part to
that right? Especially after she made sure
to mention earlier like, oh, allthe effing lawyers survived.
They made sure to specify out ofyour body.
The wind was already out there. Her eggs are her windfall and
they can eat them technically, but they.

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Still can't inject her with any.I mean, even if they created a
solution specifically for her, they could.
That is the. Highest order of their
biological directive is to convert.
Kumba can inject her. That's a.
Bigger conversation. I wonder if he might.
That's interesting. Any.
Of the other 12 could but knowing.
That he they don't even have to because of the eggs that are out

(22:51):
there, because that will have her stem cells essentially,
right, no. I'm saying actually create the
virus for. Creator, right?
Do they have to now? They have to.
Did they mention they have to inject it?
To administer it to her somehow.Is that better?
Phrasing to know. They didn't need to do that with
the original virus. They could just air, water,
whatever which. Is a little surprising
considering they have all these boundaries that they won't cross

(23:13):
now. Yet the initial administration
of this virus, there was no permission involved.
They didn't ask anybody prior tothat, maybe.
They don't have to ask permission when they're giving
it to you, but if you are immuneafter they've tried to give it
to you and they have to do it a different way, maybe they have.
Maybe that is a different situation for them.
I don't know. They have weird rules.

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That's. What I'm saying their rules are
wish washy well. We should.
We could debate that. Are they harming Carol by
converting her? They.
Would say no, yeah. Carol would say.
Well, they didn't ask when they first started infecting, but now
the Carol is there and aware they have to ask her before they
just do it and let's. Even go further and when they
first brought this on, it was ona person by person basis.

(23:55):
I don't know if the phraseology was that they asked permission,
but it seemed as though it was on a one-on-one basis.
We. Didn't see this on screen but
no, I think it was OSHA who explained it all right, and she
said that there was like some facility that they started with
and it was this isolated place and I feel like there was some
permission we. Technically saw that I.

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Think it was even before that. I think what OSHA was referring
to happened before the rat in the lab.
OK, I'll bite this. Is how I took it.
Anyway, they got the. Astronauts and stuff first, yes.
Exactly. And then once the situation
happened with the rat in the laband the bite and the and all of
that, that was when things started to snowball.
And they went, oh crap, we need to kind of expedite this one.

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And. Further, with the chemtrails
basically to this boop, well, and also, I mean, if you
technically think about it, the way it went down is that
everybody was going deep into iton their own.
They decipher the chemicals and the signal, they went after it
and then they did it to themselves basically.
So those people are technically,hey, we didn't do anything here.
You did it to yourselves and nowyou are ourselves basically.

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So maybe there are three different stages, the initial
asking the military and the astronauts and all those people,
then the scientists who did it do it to themselves basically.
Who that was the one we got to see anyway.
I just think we needed to hash that part out because when it
comes to Carol, this is my worries that they know the eggs
are already out there. The administration could just be

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as simple as through air. They could make something up
later about, oh, they have to inject you and oh, Kumbo would
have to be the one. But technically, Carol's on a
clock now, too, because like they said, they only figured out
yesterday that they could do this.
Taylor make it to so everybody'son the clock, not just Carol.
I just mean that even though Carol says I do not consent,

(25:44):
they have her eggs. So, yeah, it's just a matter of
when now, isn't it? We're on the same page of worry.
When they have her specific. Well, when they yeah, her tailor
made virus, yeah, yeah. And it could be soon to Harry.
Soon which? Brings us to Kumba, doesn't it?
Well, Kumba. Declined, he said.
No thanks. I'm good for right now.
OK, you ready for the however's?There's one indicator that got

(26:07):
me on this train of thought and that was the monkey see, monkey
do thing that he was doing with that breakfast.
When Carol was doing her avocadotoast smear thing, putting the
eggs and the bacon on top and then having it as like a weird
open face sandwich. Kumba does the same thing,
mimics her and goes. Hmm.
Delicious, whatever it was, but it was the way that he did that

(26:28):
as though he'd never had it before.
That was weird, right? I think.
We're kind of thinking the same thing.
This was one of those moments while I was watching that I was
excited to talk about because onour plate we have all of this
individual delicious food, Bacon, eggs, avocado.
We could toast everything by animal.
Mineral. Everything by itself is

(26:48):
wonderful, but then Carol puts it all together and creates this
even better thing. Once all these individual yummy
things are put together and likeyou said, Kumba sort of mimics
what she's doing, and he comes to the same revelation, like,
oh, I would have done this separately.
These items on my plate are individuals, but they're so much

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Better Together. Say what you're saying, though,
you're you're like this is I love how you're saying it by.
The way hive mind it was breakfast.
Oh. You're you're tackling it more
in a poetic level, the. Human race.
It's all for the individual ingredients on the plate, but
when you put them together as the hive mind, they're so much

(27:31):
better, right? It's a flavor combination.
Yeah, that's what humans are, a flavor.
Wait, who's eating us? The.
Aliens. If you consider the eggs, bacon
are technically human derived proteins in that they are
domesticated animals that only exist because of humans.

(27:52):
As concepts, I see what you're saying.
It took me a little bit to get there.
I'm not. There, I need more bacon.
Doesn't exist without somebody having to think of cutting
strips out of a pig and frying it in a pan to create it.
Without. Humanity domesticating the pigs
in order to get the bacon. Then we would not have.
So many steps to reach that invention though.

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Same thing. With eggs.
We would not have eggs if we hadnot domesticated chickens.
Chickens are only what they are because humans domesticated them
and made them what they are. Otherwise they'd just be wild
birds. Believe me, original chickens
look nothing like the chickens we have now.
They're different. Things.
Even even corn, which is not notprotein necessarily, but corn is

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human derived. It is taken from a seedy plant
that was crossbred and then engineered by humans to be corn.
And domesticated animals are thesame way.
So that is technically human derived protein.
It's not derived from humans, but by humans created well.
Even the earliest humans didn't imagine to create bacon.

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All they did was eat meat until they discovered that they were
running low on the meat that they didn't even cook at 1st
until they discovered fire. You go down the list, it's like
they didn't even think of eatingthe stuff that grew out of the
ground until much later. They too were reaching a
nutritional deficit and so they decided to farm.
And who speared that but the women, by the way.

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So I've heard from my classes something.
Else Carol's not considering even if she doesn't turn to hive
mind, she's still going to starve to death because she
going to grow her own food. She going to start her own farm.
Who's going to provide her food if they all die?
She. Has much more of a high
likelihood of surviving because even if she does the smallest of
things like pick apples I mean. So I wouldn't worry about her.

(29:38):
She's not going to have the samelifestyle to your point as she's
used to, but even then. It's going to be like Cavemen
for 10. Years she would have the high
life well I. Mean, I think we just said a
little bit earlier that the morehigh life they live, the more
diminished resources are going to be faster.
So, but does Carol care? No.
Not really. I don't know does.
She. I know, I know.
I said I said it too. I said, yeah, maybe she does a

(29:59):
little. She did have that face.
She has to think of them as people in.
Some capacity, otherwise she wouldn't be upset when she
killed 11 million of them. Yeah.
I mean, it's, there's the tension.
Between those two concepts aloneis like her being spiteful of
this thing happening, even though it's not their fault.
They're just them. They it's just who they are.
They're not trying to be anything else and they're trying
not to be themselves. But that's the only directive

(30:22):
that they actually have, aside from all the other things that
benefit her, is the directive. They give her preferential food.
They put everything else above themselves except for the one
thing, which is their prime directive is to be fruitful and
multiply. I love that.
I love the philosophical. Questions that you have to
really think about. I've got another one for you.
Sure. She vacuums up the human

(30:44):
remains. Human.
Remains on her floor. But what's more disrespectful,
sucking them up into a vacuum orusing them for sustenance?
That was 100% me. In that moment, like she
couldn't leave her house with that mess.
I don't think she thought about it as people at all.
No, I don't think so either. She's just.
Like I can't, that can't. Be on my floor.
I love that she had all the my house.
The mask and the everything on the clothes.

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Like you've already had your. Hands in it and played with it
you're it's but now we're going.To take precautions well also
you don't want. To inhale it too.
It's kind of like what the John Cena said.
She's already inhaled it. She doesn't.
Know that she did too. It's the whole other thing like.
So like, as long as I don't knowit didn't.
Exist. Like, yeah, now that I'm aware,

(31:28):
I have to do the can't. See.
Is that what it is you can't see?
Me, yes. Good job, David.
OK, thank. You.
Thank you. See, you can't see me.
John Cena says anthropology, which is the anthropological and
scientific term for cannibalism,the act of humans eating flesh
or organs of other humans, stemming from the Greek words
for man, anthropos and to eat faging.

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While often associated with savage or primitive acts, it has
complex cultural roots, including ritualistic practices
for spiritual continuity, endocannibalism, assimilation of
enemy traits, exocannibalism, survival, or even as a metaphor
for cultural devouring, quote UNquote, and transformation as
seen in Brazil's modernist art movement.

(32:12):
That's why I stay away from Brazil.
I don't F with Brazil right there especially they're
football fans. I'll never forget this.
Side note, I remember reading this article a long time ago and
I'm not sure it's a myth, but I don't think when we were doing
radio 20 years ago that it was because we often cited weird
stories that were true. That there was this one football
game where a ref made a quote UNquote bad call and the fans came

(32:35):
down and basically dismembered him.
Was I wrong about that charity? I remember hearing about this
and I want this so badly to be amyth.
It it basically reinforced my fear of mobs, which is something
I've brought up plenty of times before, but I've never got to
tell this story. Was that exocannibalism or?
Yeah. Assimilation.
Of enemy traits. Yeah, There you go.
It's exocannibilism. Well, they didn't eat them

(32:57):
right. They.
Just pulled them apart. They didn't not eat them.
I don't. Know probably.
Maybe not, but you never know with those Brazilians, David, we
have. Friends in Brazil I do have
friends from Brazil. You do.
Personal. Friends too.
My real life friends from Brazil.
Actually reside in Canada right now, but that is so weird.

(33:20):
The exact opposite. Look, they're cold now.
They're cold 24/7 except for a couple days of the year.
Going back to that scene though,about.
Her vacuuming, I mean, I get it.The best thing I totally get.
I get it. I'm just saying.
Is it any less disrespectful to vacuum up remaining?
I would argue it's more disrespectful.
To vacuum them up, right, Because you're saying the

(33:41):
philosophical. Questions, right, the
philosophical questions of well,you're deleting your potential
food, basically, you know it's. Yeah.
Right, right, you're wasting. It Yeah, wholeheartedly disagree
I. Am anti anthro anthropophagy
anthropophagy. I said it right the first.
I'm not having a hard time now. So when I was in.
Veterinarian assistant training many, many, many years ago, one

(34:05):
of the things we had to learn about was when dogs ingest their
own stuff. And that is called you mean?
Yes, that is called coprophagia.And that is why I knew what
anthrop anthropophagy was, because I knew what anthro was.
And I knew what? It's funny because I knew.
Where you're going with this? I didn't think I would be

(34:26):
grossed out by it, but then whenyou said it, I was all right.
No, it's fine. I.
Is it worse than eating humans? Eating.
Shoe. Poop, shoe poop.
Yes, I will eat a human over. That's a great.
Question. I did bring.
It up last week. It turned out to be I was wildly

(34:48):
wrong. About the crystals or salts or.
Whatever being. Remember feces?
I said it was instead of body. Yeah, well, ask John Cena.
Was some of it feces? At least he's can't answer.
Or they. I guess it's the pronoun of
choice, one of the things they talked.
About in the official podcast was they had to fly to Tampa to

(35:09):
get John Cena to film this segment and of course he had no
idea what it was so he just did and he was like, I can't wait
till the show comes out So I know what I just talked about.
That's the. Fact.
And I was like. Can you imagine?
Well, cuz I mean filming to kindof nudge.
Him in a direction right like this is what?
You're doing. We're talking about what is

(35:30):
this? What is this I?
Love that so much. Oh, it's the same as the.
Phone call that Ray got and it was Patrick Fabian which let me.
Say two more times with the message this episode.
This show is really a sitcom that is masquerading as a

(35:52):
fantasy sci-fi show. Because it is so.
Funny her reaction when she's listening to the messages again
and she's like walking around kicking the plants and like how
long it? Took the TV to.
Come up out of the console when she wanted to show him the video
and it took like 30 seconds for it to come out.
This is definitely a Vince Gilligan.

(36:13):
Thing He knows exactly when to stretch out a scene and make his
viewers sit in the uncomfortableness that's
happening. And it is so genius and it is so
effective. It's how television used to be.
Though just genius you do. Realize that though, right?
He read Stephen King's book. About on writing and one of the
things Stephen King talks about is how people want to see the

(36:36):
process of what is going on, if it's done well, if it's if it's
interesting. Like for instance, the what 3
minute opening segment of episode 2 when we watch Socia
walk to the plane and turn everyindividual engine on.
It was so long. But like people like to see that
happening because deep down we really like to see that stuff.
We'd like to see people doing everyday tasks, but we like to

(37:00):
see it done all the way through.In a way we're culturally.
For the most part, ritual realistic beings from the coffee
we do or whatever you drink in the morning, there's like a
process that you adhere to. And so when you see that process
play out, it's like, Oh yeah, they're like us.
This is why I'm saying like a lot of these shows lately or the
last 20 to 30 years, it's dialogue heavy.
There's not enough silence in between the takes of them doing

(37:20):
things. Obviously there's no going to
the bathroom yet, except for that one scene in Fear The
Walking Dead with Morgan. 2 scenes because we saw.
Dwight on the side of the road, too, right what we've?
Seen that at least in shows the whole piston beside the roadside
or whatever. Or tree.
Sometimes in horror movies whereI get the most nervous.

(37:43):
This is probably a goodest. Place as any to mention Jainism
because I'd wanted to actually bring it up a while now but kind
of want to let a few episodes godown the list before we brought
it up. I think it's really important.
Jainism is an ancient Indian religion focused on ahimsa, non
violence, self-control and liberation moksha through
acidism venerating perfected souls genus like mahavira rather

(38:07):
than a creator God with core tenets including non injury
truthfulness non stealing, celibacy and non attachment.
Jains believe all living beings have souls jivas leading to
strict vegetarianism and ethicalpractices and the tradition is
split into major sects like Digambra and Svetambra following
the teachings from scriptures called basically no harming, no

(38:30):
no maiming, no eating, no killing of living beings.
The core beliefs and practices are ahimsa, the supreme
principle of non violence towards all living beings
influencing dietary, vegetarian or vegan professional and daily
life. And the whole purpose of doing
this is to avoid having to reincarnate.
They want to end the cycle of reincarnation Karma
Reincarnation actions Karma determine rebirth with the goal

(38:52):
of ending the cycle through right faith, knowledge and
conduct. Genus or Tirthankaras, spiritual
teachers who have achieved liberation with Mahavira being
the 24th and last in the currentcycle. 5 vows.
The Mahavratas for acidics, ahimsa, satyam, truthfulness,
astaia, non stealing, brahmacharya, celibacy and

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aparigraha non attachment or possessions.
Jiva and ajiva Reality is composed of souls, Jiva and
nonliving matter. Ajiva with souls trapped in
material bondage. So you're anthropomorphizing non
living things too which can get extreme.
The key aspects is there's no creator God.
James venerate liberated souls genus as guides not creators.

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Asceticism. Monks and nuns practice extreme
self-discipline, sometimes wearing masks and sweeping paths
to avoid harming microscopic life.
Sects primarily divided into theGambra sky clad more acidic and
Faseta Amra white clad History in ancient Indian religion with
traditions tracing back to Rishaban Atha with historical

(39:56):
evidence pointing to figures like Mahavira 6th century BCE.
The symbols The Jane symbols a palm hand with a wheel chakra in
the center representing ahimsa with.
Symbols for the soul, jiva deities and the path to
liberation. So yeah, their whole thing is to
get to the point where we don't have to reincarnate.
If we do all the things to not harm any form of life, then we

(40:17):
don't have to reincarnate. We stop it.
Again. Been on my mind since the very
beginning. I love that that's a thing comes
into play in this series as thishive mind.
They too wish to not reincarnateor something, right?
Because what's the point? What is the whole reason for
this directive? If you really think about it, we
don't even really know if they. Are reproducing at all if

(40:39):
they're just not reproducing? Then there's no reincarnation.
Unless they can come back as like a bug or a an animal which
is their worst nightmare if. They're Jane's, but they're not
probably. But they talked a lot about
death. They talk about 100,000 people a
day die to accidents and old age.
I'm surprised that there's still.
Accidents happening. Cars still break ladders.

(41:00):
Still fall. I mean, things still happen.
You could be hive mind, still trip over a rock in the road.
Things are still going to happen.
Yeah, 365 million. People die a year according to
that #100,000 people, and there are 7,348,292,411.
And OK, if they use 8 to 12% of the oh man, I don't want to do

(41:22):
all this math I'm not. I decided moratorium, no math,
but if they're 364 million to suit 1/8 of their nutritional
diet. But they do eat like John Cena
eats 2400 calories of this stuff.
So eight of these cartoons a dayor 8 cups of these a day.
It's a good thing the earth isn't filled with John Cena's,
let's put it that way. It's a lot of.

(41:42):
Cartoons. I wonder if they're all.
Maintaining or if they have somehow figured out what the
ideal weight should be for a human and then get everybody to
that. I think they're aware of that.
You just. Say, oh, they're saying, are
they doing dieting basically to slim down?
Sure, if John Cena could get away.
With only 2000 calories a day for survival, then maybe he does

(42:06):
that and gets down to whatever body weight is ideal.
They know everything, so they would know what an ideal weight
would be for each individual. It's going to be different.
Would be that. A lot of it depends.
On what job they're doing, because you don't want to make
it to the point that they get weak and everybody's body is
different. Some people are going to get to

(42:26):
the point that they're weak fromnot having enough sustenance at
different points than others. So like, I'm not saying they
couldn't diet, maybe they put them just below maintaining or
something, but who knows? That's the question I'm posing.
Well, the. Question is, are they worried?
About, isn't it right? That's what I'm saying.
Sharon, you're jumping ahead to the yes, they.
Are I'm not sure that they are if they're worried about

(42:48):
starving. They can cut down.
I guess that also depends. On what their ultimate end game
is. Because if you have an end game
where you don't care if 10% of the 10 million people die every
10 years, then then you don't care.
That's their strategy. That's interesting.
I mean, because they've thought about all the things they can't
do and live in the world they inhabit with those rules

(43:10):
implied. Because I think two things can
be true. They say they're maintaining the
weight of the individual node attheir current weight.
If they said they were planning on giving them a weight loss
program, they would have said it.
They didn't, which is interesting to me that they
didn't mention that. That's interesting to me as
well. Right, so I I don't.
Agree that they would slim them down.
I mean, I think they should. That would that they should.

(43:31):
Because that would stretch out their resources much farther.
100% but they. Aren't they would have mentioned
it otherwise? OK, that's cool.
That's something notable becausethey did use the word maintain.
Which is why this is sticking inmy head.
And I'm like why though? Because, right?
Why would you do? That why wouldn't.
You be at the optimal weight for.
Your height is what I'm saying right?

(43:52):
And also take into consideration.
Like what Sharon D said, if you're doing a physically
labored job, then you need more energy, you need more input if
you're doing more output. So one with all the
transportation. Options.
You could always swap out one person for the other The person
from tgi Friday's can take the can.
Absolutely. There's a bigger question.
If you don't mind me asking it then OK.

(44:13):
It seems as though there's no intention.
There's no end game that they know of, right?
Because if they did, they would be gearing.
They would do what exactly what you say.
They would slim down and do the things, but they have no
intention. They're not an intentional
being. Their only intention is to not
harm and maim and whatever living things, which takes all
the blame even further away fromthem.
They don't even know their directive.

(44:34):
We have no need for. All the crap you bought on Timu
now because nobody wants it. So all the people that work in
these factories and all the people that work in the fields,
what are these people doing now?They're all in the hospital.
Aren't they just doing what they?
Can if I think for the a long while with all the re resourcing
they would probably be and it seems like that's what they're

(44:55):
doing. They probably be fixing the
things that we couldn't because we couldn't get together.
We couldn't cohesce on a singular task.
We busy our lives with the things that we want to be
talented with, and we provide that to the populace.
But we don't do the things that we need.
We do the things that we want todo to provide whatever thing we
want for others. We don't focus on need, we focus
on want. Sure.
Well, we know they're working. In the plants at least.

(45:17):
Producing their food, sure, but that's not.
Going to cover the millions and millions and millions and
millions of people that aren't doing anything.
What are the zookeepers doing? What are the corporate people
doing? We don't need them anymore.
All these people focusing. On need over want, because
there's no currency, right? The only currency is living now
at this point. So I think there's a small

(45:38):
minuscule answer you can get outof this.
And that is obviously you would redirect these resources to at
least have the potential of things that would be achieved
via windfall. So I've probably be more
orchards than there would be grain, right?
Things hanging over, things coming up and out because that
they won't fall down right. Exactly so I would be growing.

(45:59):
Things that fall down from things you don't need a million.
People in the field to pick up fallen apples, especially if you
if you have them if, but you don't need.
Them maybe? That's why it doesn't matter to
them if 10 million people die off, because those 10 million
people are unnecessary. This brings up a bigger, bigger.
Thought what Carol Circa says right before we end up going to
Menusos, which is she says pointblank to Kumba, there's a way to

(46:23):
reverse this. Why is that important?
Because if you can reverse it for their sake, they have many
more survivors to work on their problem.
Survivors that won't have the same hang ups as this hive mind
being has about not harming and not killing and whatnot.
And it wouldn't be necessarily killing them, right?
Asking a being to kill themselves necessarily right?

(46:44):
Because then that's a debatable topic.
Is peeling off at least a billion of the collective back
to their normal state? Is it achievable?
Was this something we went into enormous detail about?
But wouldn't peeling off some oftheir numbers actually work to
save them? You'd be relying on the good
graces of of those individuals to do that.
But wouldn't that help their problem?

(47:05):
Or wouldn't it equalize their nutritional deficit problem a
little bit? You want the virgins to go jump?
In the volcano, is that what you're saying Exactly right.
So that's the. Problem right?
They're not all of them, Just just a little bit of them.
Not to eat, to work on the problem, to build the robots.
Why would they want to a? Turn the few people that remain
and why would they have turned everybody in the 1st place?

(47:27):
Well, the first question's easy.That's.
Their prime directive, they can't help that, right?
They have no intention when it comes to that.
It's just what they're programmed to do.
Why wouldn't they have left some?
People unturned in the 1st placeif they needed them to be
farmers. Again, no intention.
Maybe that's why they don't careif 10.
Million people die because that's just 10 million less
mouths they have to feed that are doing nothing because

(47:48):
there's nothing for them to do, Jason says.
I don't think everyone. Could get to an optimal wait
because for example, you still need strong people for harder
jobs, et cetera. My question would be, what
harder jobs? What jobs are they doing?
Give me an example of what one of these people would need their
strength for. Also, that would be their
optimal weight because they've taken that into consideration.

(48:12):
So that still would be their optimal weight if they needed
that extra strength to complete their job.
But I'm still curious, what doesthat mean?
What job is harder? Jason says.
I was thinking like construction, lifting things,
something like that. But what are they constructing?
Because if they're putting anything new up, it means
they're destroying something which we know they won't do.
Let me add to that because. OK, this is very interesting.

(48:34):
We're piercing together just like what I think is what the
hive mind is doing. I think just because they can't
actually build the robots doesn't mean they can't build
the parts. They just can't assemble them.
So I think there's a lot of things that they can do that
they just can't complete becausein completing them, the things
that they build would lead to the things that they are not
allowed to do. But they can get just to the

(48:54):
point. I would even say they can get
just the point of building the robots by not turning them on.
But then again, I think that's that's a bridge too far I think
for them. And I could see how that would
be the logic. Like you said, David, they're
still building. Them with intention to kill life
so I could see them building parts.
Because those parts could be interchangeable like nuts and

(49:15):
bolts, but if the intention behind.
It is to eventually get to a point where they can, for
example, harvest wheat. Then they wouldn't even be able
to begin that process. The question is really where the
line is. If they have multiple
intentions, meaning like if theybuild all the parts to the point
of saying, OK, maybe these survivors might need them if
they're deluling enough to say that and even get to the point

(49:37):
of like, oh, we just left an instruction, man.
In case you wanted to I. Don't know?
Here's a key to the future. Right, we won't.
Have lumber because. You can't cut trees down, which
brings up another complete problem, which is the
encroachment of nature. Because if you can't cut down
the trees or cut grass or cut weeds or cut vines, then

(50:00):
everything is going to be overgrown.
Everything's going to. Be disgusting.
Because you can't even clean a surface without killing the
microbes. Is that why they don't
everything is going to? Be everything's going to be
clothes because they can't kill the microbes on their bodies.
That is a topic we broached. Almost in the previous episodes
because they're still in the same clothing too.
Yep, exactly. Exactly.

(50:22):
They can't clean anything, so they're already almost two weeks
in. But see.
We don't know that they. Can't kill microbes.
We don't. This is this is going to be
tough. We're going to find out in the
next. We can't kill living things,
right? Leave.
Micros off the table. You still can't mow lawns or cut
back trees. We've seen it in The Walking
Dead, right? Everything is overgrown.
How are you going to survive in that?

(50:43):
In 10 years when nature has taken over everything?
What is Carol going to do then? She can go get her little gas
powered lawn mower and keep her little yard mowed and maybe like
right around her. But other than that, she going
to mow everything in Albuquerque.
Well, I mean, I guess it's a good thing she's in the.
Desert. Right.
But even still, I mean, but the rest of the world, yeah.

(51:05):
The problem they're going to have in the desert?
Is overpopulation of animals. Oh yeah, overpopulation of pier
and stuff? Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I mean, even those animalswill probably go.
More inland, where the prey is technically like the prey could
also be the collective. Well, I mean, there's a reason
those. There's a reason those animals
live in that environment, because that's where they live,
so it's not likely to change. Well, wait, wait, wait, so you

(51:27):
just. Introduced something.
I don't think this is the thing I wanted to say, but
incidentally, I think it is whatmakes us the apex predator.
Thumbs. No, it makes us utility.
Gives us utility because we constantly adapt.
If we have an encroachment of a T Rex, we will work together,
adapt to that current situation in order to beat the T Rex so

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that they stay at the point of the food chain where they're
actually they're extinct. So they're non existent threat.
But even if AT Rex did show up, they couldn't kill it.
So it would be Carol on her own battling AT Rex, and I don't
think that would turn out super,super great.
That's not my point. Thumbs.
My point is that isn't the inability of this hive mind
collective consciousness to adapt, Doesn't that put them at

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the bottom of the food chain essentially?
And there's many implications from that, right?
Because if the animals start getting wind, literally and
figuratively, that these beings these that maybe they emit a
smell, wouldn't that be something?
Well, and they will if they don't shower.
Some. Animals do respond to.
The funk that people produce, but assuming especially the ones

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that are addicted to that necro the the dead pheromone fear
hormone. Oh no.
Not the not the fear bone or. Hormone but the anyway, my point
is that if they're adapting to the sneaky human portion and
they go after those because those that's the hive mind
thing, right? The hive mind can't harm kill
and we just found out they can'teven interfere with life the
process of or guide or whatever right guiding it or guiding

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towards anything. If someone in the hive mind or
to be. Attacked by one of those wolves.
They'd all just stand there watching it and let it.
Yeah, exactly. So why wouldn't they encroach on
human territory, what would normally be human territory?
That's all I mean is that that'sa new problem that would fall
under the. Accidents.
Part of the people that die under people that die a day,

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which is another question I had.Which is OK, Wouldn't they be
more mindful to? Not have accidents, but then
then the overcompensation of animals encroaching on human
wildlife that would just immediately take over that
portion of it of less accidents is the animal attacks, natural
disasters, etcetera. Well, this is fascinating.
I didn't think I'd even get an answer to that question.

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I didn't think I'd have a chanceto ask that question.
Right. A more mindful lifestyle doesn't
mean that they won't be attackedby ferocious animals who change
their patterns to adapt for humans that can't adapt.
Yeah, ideally this should be a balance.
Between nature and and human progress, right.
But here we've got the two extremes.
We've got our. For our sake.
Yeah, previous. World and now we.

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Have this world, which is are they going to keep building
cars? Why nobody needs cars anymore?
They have no directive. It's the.
Antithesis of progress. So it's like tipping the scale
in the other direction, but whatwe need is like a happy medium
in there. Honestly, there's an answer to
this that I. Really want to expound on, but
there's so much conversation that because it goes into what
makes up a human and competing interests, we're asking

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questions because we don't. Know what the end goal is here,
and I don't even think it has anything to do with.
I don't think they know what it is.
And like I. Mean I've, I've said this
before, I don't even think it's the end game of the hive mind,
'cause they don't know. Like you said, we just, we just
talked about it. They don't even know what the
end game is. They think extinction.

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But. I don't know.
Oh well. I.
Would say this, 'cause I want toshout out my sister, 'cause
she's been watching what we've been doing and she loves the
show, by the way, our show and Pluribus.
Oh, cool. Thank you.
She cited. Adina and I didn't get it at
first, but now I kind of do. She cited the Twilight Zone
episode to Serve Man, and isn't this a so much more elaborate

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version of that? For those of you who do not know
what we are referring, But yeah,refresh.
This one is when aliens come. Down to earth and they provide
the human race with cures and solve their economic problems
etcetera and then? It starts out.
Not in Medius Rest. It starts out from the end and
you don't know what's happening.This man is on a spaceship, he's
writing his memoirs, what's happening?

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And then he backtracks and backfills you on the story of
how he ended up here. We're in this weird place that
he's in. They drop a book errantly in the
UNI, think it was or what was the UN at the time.
Cryptologists worked hard on deciphering the language.
And the lady at the end as he's about to board the ship, because
everybody's boarding these ships.
It's going to their planet, obviously, these beneficent

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beings, these benevolent beings.Let's go to their home planet.
Oh, they're offering a ride. And then she's screaming to him
as he's boarding the spaceship. We decipher the language,
decipher the cover. It's to serve men.
It's a cookbook. It's a cookbook.
Yeah, yeah. They're eating the humans, so
my. Sister said, isn't this like
that? And now I kind of realize that

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maybe it's that this is the aliens version of if it is
aliens, it probably is whatever that they're basically
programming humans to be even more docile, to lose their
adaptation to make them herd animals essentially.
Didn't someone else? Say that early on.
Who was that? That was you.
That's. Right.
It was me, yeah. But he didn't.

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Say it like elaborately in dramatic.
I didn't say it's smart enough. No, that's what you're saying.
I didn't. I didn't.
I was. Giving you credit my big words.
Yeah, I was. Saying.
Just I'm. Helping you out, that's.
What I was all I was doing is helping you out personally.
Sure with your theory that you deserve full credit for.
Oh OK, didn't sound like also. Shouting out my sisters, that's

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fine. Too.
I do remember that episode. Of the Twilight Zone.
Yeah. And that it is very, very
similar. Yeah, yeah, sort of feels like.
Not it's. This is how they should have
done it. Well, I'm.
Yeah. But.
Same idea. They brought World Peace before
they. Landed.
Right, so that we wouldn't fight.

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Can I throw out a crazy theory? Yeah, that's all we're doing
now. Episodes are crazy.
Landed a long time ago. Some of three laws of.
Robotics Robot. Cannot harm human.
Or allow harm #2 it must obey humans unless conflict with law
one or three. Must protect self unless

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conflict with law one or two. I robot.
I robot, yeah. What if?
This is actually a race of robots.
Maybe they're trying to exterminate humans, but they
have to follow the law of robotics.
And so they send out the signal that whatever say humans or
human like beings. You're saying what if it is
robots? Sent this message to the humans

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to OK, I see they didn't connectthat.
Yeah, I didn't connect that to Yeah, yeah, that would be why
the humans were. Replaced that would buy.
The that would buy. They can't.
Harm anything and why they wouldhave something have been able to
build something that was strong enough to send a signal 600
million light years why they would be able to on an arc
dissect. The.
RNA of humans in order to know what goes in it.

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I don't know, just a thought. They can't harm anything is what
kind of threw it up there. Let's keep going westward to
keep going with. That yeah, if we say that it's.
Robots. What do you believe their end
game could be with the human race?
David only knows because he is arobot.
So you just, David, tell us. OK, I'm going to not answer the

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question and I'm going. To move on to Kumba tie back
there is a theory floating out there and I can't take full
credit for this theory, but I did think this at the time.
I want to go back to the monkey see monkey do that Kumba does
with Carol. I love what you said Rachel, but
I thought something completely differently.
You were going the isn't it poetic if we bring all these
things together and it's like that?

(58:52):
I love that so much, but I thought something completely
different. What if Kumba is little cutest
of Borg? I'm going to look at blank faces
now ready. That's a.
Star Trek Reference. Yes.
OK, wait. Let me explain.
Because if the robots are robots, because again, there is
play here, there is definite play homage here to the hive

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mind being of the Borg, let's say.
And if it is robots, they're a sort of pseudo organic
mechanistic being, collective consciousness, right?
And what is their goal? Their goal is assimilation.
That's it. To assimilate cultures, beings,
to make a more perfect union, E pluribus Unum, right?
That's their whole raison d'etreis to keep assimilating, to make

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a more perfect being of all the beings, to make a bigger them.
That is one thing. And they also work in
distributed nodes, etcetera. But OK whatever, keep going.
What if Kumba is a Lucutis of Borg?
Lucutis of Borg was not the typical Borg.
What the Borg realized was thereare a lot of humans.
When they were trying to assimilate Captain Picard of the
USS Enterprise at the time, theyrealized there's a lot of human

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beings and they will not be assimilated easily.
So they created Lucutis. What was Lucutis?
Lucutis of Borg was an emissary of the Borg.
He was of them, but acted somewhat independently to
negotiate a. Surrender of the human race,
essentially to be able to communicate the desires of the
Borg to the human race or the Federation as it were, so that

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they would have a peaceful transition of power essentially
didn't work out for them. Thankfully, this is the
unwinnable situation I was mentioning in one of the prior
episodes because that's how the season ended and they brought it
back and then they rescued him somehow and whatnot.
What if Kumba is that? Because it occurred to me if
they only thought of the solution a day ago, Can we make
an assumption that Kumba has been having sex with a bunch of
of these people? And if he's been having sex with

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a bunch of each of these people and they get a hold of some of
his genetic material, because wedo know that fluids do transfer
in having sex with people as a general rule.
Are you catching my drift? And if they're harvesting those
fluids, be more specific. Sure.
OK, so in the process. Of having no I'm.
Kidding. OK, good, good.
Glad so he had disparate you. Yeah, so.

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Carol and. Kumba have a similar situation,
but I contend that maybe they have the genetic material
already and if the monkey see monkey do situation as an
indicator, then he's already either a low cutist, he's a
hybrid, or he's not. And the process of assimilating
one to the collective is a slower process than initially
when they were having the seizures and stuff.

(01:01:25):
So what about that scene makes? You go this route because he's
trying to imitate her. Yeah, there's there was
something. Sort of bizarre about the way he
did that because you have to imagine that this guy has tried
a bunch of crazy foods and things that he from his past,
from his future. He strikes me, and this may be a
bigger commentary about who Kumba is to begin with.

(01:01:47):
He strikes me as somebody who always wanted to play these
fantasies out but didn't have the means to do it.
Sure. Okay, so we're nodding our
heads. Good.
And so if that's the case, it's been 2 weeks.
I'm sure he's been on a tear of trying new things because it's
not only just about traveling. That's something that we would
all want. It's about experiencing things
you've never tried before. How long would it take to get
bored if you keep thinking of new cool things to do And some

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of the things, those things are food.
And it didn't occur to him to mash avocado and bacon and
whatnot. I could see the hive mind being
like, well, let me experience this meal through the lens of
Carol, but I'm not Carol, right?There's AI.
Don't know. I just seemed odd the way he was
reacting to trying this thing out.
I saw it as. He was like, oh, I've never

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tried this particular combination before.
Like I saw it as him being open to learning new things and being
open to Carol in general, which he is the only one who is out of
all of the people. Well, because they don't know
manusos yet. I saw the copycatting with the
food is just she's showing me something I didn't know before.
Yet another thing that I've. Yet to try and thank you, Carol

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for that. And I agree with you on that
too. He has a real deep sympathy.
For her too. Yeah, she mentions on the phone.
Right, he's. Talking to his girlfriends.
She's so lonely and he could have left.
He is trying to connect with her.
He doesn't have to do that. He stops just short.
Of her saying I'll just get another sweet, we can talk and
he's like. Ugly, that look on his face

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because. We've all been there in a way
like we don't want to break somebody's heart at the same
time, like please go home. So but I think.
If you're theory were correct, he would want her.
Right, Kumba would want her to stay there.
Instead, we see him sort of likepanic when she says she wants to
stay right. She said something very
flippant. I.
Get it you like your space. I get it.

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Who also wanted their space? The them.
I think the whole episode. Really is about loneliness, and
Carol is agreed even more completely alone now than she
was before, especially when she found out that they were all
communicating with each other and nobody.
Yes, the survivor. Most of them didn't work around.
I'm sure this is how. She felt when she.

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Was younger when she was a teenager and she felt like she
was on the outside looking in. Way worse she was.
Left out of everything. People wouldn't accept her for
who she is. And now it's happening again,
only this time it's the only only 12 people left in the world
that aren't robots or whatever, and it's got to be crushing.
And the only person she ever hadto mitigate that in the before

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times was Helen. And now Helen is gone.
Maybe people loved her. And her writing, her fans who
didn't. Know her or meet her I mean it's
something they. Saw the public.
Face Carol. I think that's an incredibly
lonely. Feeling.
Let me just say it in words. Literally everybody on the
planet doesn't want anything to do with her.

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Let's say those words out loud. That is unprecedented.
That's an unprecedented concept to wrap your head around.
Then imagine that the one. Person who's shown you any care
or attention or he took the wineglass out of her hand and cover
her up with a blanket when she was sleeping.
He says on the phone. She's so lonely.

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He makes her breakfast but then she's like, hey, what if I stay
here? And you can just see the look on
her face like it just destroys her that the very last person
who has any indicate inclinationto talk to her, speak to her,
also doesn't want her. GTFO.
Exactly. I don't think it pays to compare
before the fall and after the fall because I have to make an

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assumption that people like her,generally speaking.
I'm not saying it's the same thing, but what I'm saying is.
As a kid, she was ostracized forwho she was by the people she
cared about, her family, and thepeople she was supposed to love
her. And so now that is just being
reinforced at this particular time because she doesn't have
anybody to be a buffer for that.Helen was the buffer.

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Helen is gone. The only person that even could
have remotely been a buffer for her doesn't want her to stay
there. There doesn't even water in the
same city basically right? It's while you were talking it
just. Occurred to me that the
conversation with Kumba, the champagne, the passing out on
the couch, the crying in the bathroom, the making breakfast
the next day, all of that is basically a hookup gone wrong.

(01:06:04):
Doesn't that play out in the waylike you think you're going to
have a thing with the other person and then doesn't work out
and they pass out instead? Or they throw up in the
bathroom, right? No, this is not nobody's
experience. She thought she was going to
come in and have this. Big revelation and the nice guy
makes breakfast. She thought she was going to
come in and have this big. Revelation and she was going to
just stun him into believing theOh my gosh, you're right, we

(01:06:24):
need to do something about this.And instead he was like, yeah,
or that it's I've already. Know that.
And you need to leave so right Exactly.
And so and he can't get her to leave no matter what.
And then he cooks her breakfast,thinking, OK, here's the
nutrients to get you on your way.
Get out. So this is only me, I guess.

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This is me. I mean, I feel like in that
phone call. He was like, asking them, like,
can't you just let her come backto her, You know, because she's
so lonely. It's not his responsibility to
take care of Carol, and he doesn't want that responsibility
at all. He likes not having the
responsibility. He likes living in his fantasy
world, right As compassionate. As he is, He has his wants and
desires, and He puts them above that human desire to have

(01:07:08):
compassion. In fact, he does say to her
right before she leaves, what does she say to her about the
hive mind? They do want to come back, but
they just need a change of heart.
She needed to have a change of. Heart.
Interesting way of phrasing thatright?
OK, she has done nothing. To make any step towards them in
any way, even pretending to takea step towards them was just a

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fake out so she could try to getinformation out of Zocia or out
of spite. She has not.
Put forward. Anything in any kind of way to
be friendly. That wasn't a scam as the Tik
Tokers would say. Why?
Should she? I mean, apparently.
She should because she's lonely,but she's just doubling down on
it. I agree.
I I was goading. You so you'd give that answer.
We don't have to agree, but I just so happened to.

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And so there you go. I think part of what makes you
human also is having compassion for an individual, even if it's
a collective individual. But they're not an individual.
They are an individual, but they're.
A different kind of being. And if we're to anthropomorphize
them in a way that we are familiar with, then I mean, they
don't have adaptation skills. They're not individuals.

(01:08:15):
But like I said. Carol still has to see them as
human in some capacity or she wouldn't care that they were
dying because they express. Care, need, lack of harm.
Because I mean, harm reduction is an inherent human trait.
I mean, I don't know about inherently human.
All living beings do not want tobe harmed.
They want to limit harm. But some desires get outpaced by
others. And sometimes people realize

(01:08:36):
that they need to harm themselves in order to achieve
certain goals or strain themselves.
I don't know, like breaking a bone and having to set it.
To reset it. Yeah.
That is going to cause pain. But you have to do it in order
to heal, right? Can you imagine if Carol broke
one of her? Bones when they have a hard time
justifying causing more pain if Carol broke a.

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Bone and she didn't have a phoneanywhere within reach.
She would just lie there becausenobody's there to find her.
She just suffer. I want to go way.
Back for just a. Second, I know Carol wasn't hurt
in this scene, but when she has the grenade and Zosha throws it
out the window and then Zosha dives on her and pushes her to
the ground, she could have potentially gotten hurt.

(01:09:20):
Obviously the grenade would havecaused more damage, but Zosha
throwing her to the ground and saving her life potentially
could have also caused harm. But she still did it, and it
did, probably. Maybe I mean what you know,
Maybe she. Got rug burn on her hands.
Or, you know, just small stuff. Right.
So they're obviously. Able to cause some harm to avoid

(01:09:43):
big harm, the hierarchy of. In order to stop death, we we're
willing to cause harm, but if it's not for to prevent death,
we won't. But it's not the death of
themselves, it's the death of others.
That's the difference. So now I wonder if.
One of the 13 survivors were to be attacked by a wolf if they

(01:10:03):
would step in and help them if it was a living thing.
That was shaping their lives. I don't think they would do IS.
Say wolf, Wolf, come over here and eat me instead.
And then the wolf would be Carolalone, you know, Really that is.
That was what they would. Do that might be it, yeah.
I just I just. Based on that incident.

(01:10:24):
Yeah. No, but.
That's right, that. Sounds right, calm as hell.
Going. Wolf, Wolf, let's do it again.
Wolf, wolf, come get me. I'm docile and will not, I will
not fight back. Here is my stink.
Land. Why am I putting?
It in the mic. You're not going to smell it any

(01:10:44):
better. This is not smell of vision
tape. I just took a shower.
They just. Painted a hilarious.
Picture in my hand hive mind. OK, but they would they?
Would be like 12 of them Woeful.OK, so they would.
Offer themselves up. I I wonder though, I really do.
I wonder Zosha didn't jump on the grenade and sacrifice

(01:11:05):
herself to say harder to do because.
It was way more. Likely that Carol survives doing
it the way she did it rather than if she right.
For one thing, she threw the grenade outside, so that wasn't
very helpful. But by throwing herself on
Carol, she shielded Carol in a way better fashion than she
would have if she had thrown herself on it.
Well then, her body. Pieces would have created

(01:11:26):
shrapnel. And still potentially.
Killed Carol. I'm going.
To move on, I. Don't even want to test.
I just love that that. Hangs there for some reason.
Her body pieces shrapnel. This is a good.
Entry point to. Menusos because Carol is going

(01:11:48):
to have a brand new fan now. Yes, he's obviously.
Watching. This video that they actually
did translate and put subtitles to on a VHS cassette.
Love it, love it. Start to.
Finish this also tells us that they are.
Seeing into his home more than we think that they are because
they know he has a VHS player and didn't just send the disc.

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I wouldn't say that if he had a.Boss.
That boss would would have I know that there's only a VHS
player in there. Do you know what I mean?
Like that's that's what they know any customer, any customer
that. Ever went there?
Yeah. Apparently.
OK, OK, OK. I had theorized that it was his.
Mom, totally. Yeah, we and it was his.
Mom so like she's. Probably been in there before,

(01:12:30):
but the twist is that she's a bitch.
I wonder. How they didn't know about him
for 33 hours. Maybe his mom thought he was
dead or something, like maybe they were that estranged, he
said. I know you're not my mom because
my. Mom wished he was dead, right?
So obviously. I mean, it could have been 30
years since they've seen each other.
Yeah. You're painting such an
interesting. Picture because it sounds to me

(01:12:51):
that boy that nobody really cares about this guy to know
whether he'd be dead or alive. Not the customers, not the boss
or whatever. If he's the boss, whatever, I
don't know. Yeah.
Wow. Kind of seems like so like the
polar. Opposite of.
Carol, who has she's beloved, who has Dorian.
Sans, yeah. I love these little archetypes
of. Survivors.
It's really cool. I appreciated him, Pop.

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Starting in his car because I have done that many times as a
poor person with crappy cars. He had an MG baby.
I want that in pop into first gear down the hill.
You know, pop start there. It was a.
Roadster, right People who? Don't know that is what you do.
When you have a manual car and your battery dies, that is how
you can start your car. I had a little pickup truck that
I had to pop start every day when I came out.

(01:13:35):
Darn wow. But once I started it was fine
that black. Smoke.
Billowing out of the end afterwards.
Yeah, so Menoso. So we've only ever seen him in
what I'm going to call his office that he sort of converted
into like a makeshift living situation.
But obviously he has a place that he lives because we saw him

(01:13:56):
go to his apartment, which makesme wonder why didn't he go there
before now I feel like. It's because he was behind a
fence there and it made him feelsafe.
For one thing, he has no idea what's going on as far as we
know. I'm assuming at some point one
of the joints showed up and said, hey, this is what's going
on. And he probably said get out.
And since then he hasn't bothered to find out anything

(01:14:18):
because he knows enough to know that something's going on.
And if it was his mom? He's going to be even more
freaked out. His mom came and.
Was like, hey this. Is what he's like.
Get out. And then he locked the gate
behind him and was afraid to go out.
Carol at least knows that they're not going to hurt her or
whatnot, right? Right.
He doesn't know she knows the rules.
You thought Carol didn't trust them, right?
So instead of he was he. Was afraid to go to his home.

(01:14:40):
Plus there was no fence around his home.
I'm sure he maybe felt like morevulnerable there in an
apartment. Yeah, because he was just an
apartment building and not behind a locked gate.
It's interesting that they wouldchoose.
To send his mom there because ifher mind is part of the
collective then they should knowthey do not have a good
relationship and that her presence would not encourage him

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them too. That's a complex.
Problem too, because if she was a bitch and he knew she knew she
was a bitch, there's an implication there that she
didn't know. Their relationship was strained.
No, no, not that she. Well, I mean, I'm.
Sure, she knows there was no other option.
There was nobody else who was close to him and in any way,
shape or form. So in that case, just send a.

(01:15:22):
Stranger. Then it wouldn't matter who
showed up. You have a strained.
Relationship your mom and all ofa sudden she just shows up at
your door. At least that's like going to
get you to like say hey, I'll listen to you for a minute or at
least get your attention. Whereas just having a stranger
show up isn't going to have the same.
Carol had nobody, but they sent her someone who looked like
Rabon. This guy didn't even have a book

(01:15:44):
fantasy, right? To to middle it after.
So, but they didn't even have the wherewithal to.
Because they don't know him and nobody knows him.
That's what it feels like. So that's the 1/2.
They are not known for their. Social cues, as we have said
before, I don't know if it's they don't have social.
Cures if you have the collectiveknowledge of anybody who has
like pick up skills and psychology.
And if you have all that knowledge, you'd probably noddle

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through all the weird. Decisions they've made, like
telling Carol about the present that Helen sent her when
obviously it was not going to make her happy, they still think
that they're there. Or that Helen is there a part of
this collective they don't register the fact that to Carol
Helen's gone. Let me get to the other side of
this this equation. Imagine seeing your mom who you
think is a bitch and she's not abitch.

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When do you want that mom? That's other thing.
And if this is actually somebodywho is dead to the world before
it went to pot and your mom suddenly comes back and is nice
to you, will you want to live inthat world if that's what it was
offered to you? If this is the way to live out
your days with a mom who actually loves you, it was
comprised of all of humankind who would love you
unconditionally, would put theirneeds above their own as a mom

(01:16:50):
should. We don't know why.
He thinks she's a bee. It could be his particular view
from her view. It could not be that at all.
She has no view. There could be a
misunderstanding. That they have never cleaned up
and we don't know why he thinks that.
I think what we need to rememberthough is.
Those 33 hours that they didn't know he existed, that is very
telling when his mom is part of this collective.

(01:17:12):
So something serious happened between the two of them that she
maybe she tried to kill him. Didn't.
And I don't know what it is. It could.
I mean, sure, could be a misunderstanding.
We probably all know people who had a disagreement at a
Christmas party with a family member and then they stopped
talking for 25 years. It could be something as simple
as that. But those 33 hours are very

(01:17:33):
important because his mom, part of the collective, did not say,
hey, my son, whatever. They made sure to.
Show a photo of a young boy and a older man and his dad.
Yes. Maybe it has.
Something to. Do with that, which is very
unusual too. In terms of statistics is that

(01:17:53):
it's usually the dad that runs away, not the mom dad could have
made-up a story about. Mom.
And that's his perspective. Yeah, but a mom had to be.
In the picture to have him, I mean, she's gone, obviously, I
know. I just, it's just an interesting
scenario, right? I mean for the extremes.
His dad could have abducted him and the mom never knew and
thought he was dead or something.
And now that she you know. I mean, it could be.

(01:18:14):
Anything like that, we don't know that's.
That's a great take, Absolutely.Why didn't you come for me?
I didn't know you were stolen. As a child.
What a story that would be healing post apocalyptically.
All I have to say is that he wasdead to the world beyond the
apparent unfamiliar. And so they didn't know enough
about him. They they can pick apart to

(01:18:36):
sell. Somebody was in the building and
saw VHS, right? You can glean certain details.
But beyond that, they don't knowenough about him to know the
image that he would love so thathe could trust enough to hear
them out even. And so that's sad.
But now he's devoting his whatever love he has in his body
left to this hero of his. Now he's willing to travel via

(01:18:59):
car, A terrible one at that IMHO, considering to get all the
way to Carroll. She saw the maps.
Bolivia and Guatemala just get all the route that it would take
to get to her Albuquerque address.
So it is my understanding. That you cannot drive directly
from South America to United States, from what I hear,

(01:19:20):
because I've, I've watched a couple things.
He's going to have to go throughthe Darien Gap, which is like
one of the most dangerous areas in the world.
And the next episode is named The Gap, by the way.
So yeah, nice. It's dangerous in terms of.
Terrain, yeah, because I think it's really mountainous.
OK, I'm like because if it's a. Dangerous because of the people,

(01:19:41):
then that doesn't matter. I think it's, I think it's just
really. Mountainous.
Have you ever seen the videos ofthe roads that are like on
hugging the mountainside and like only one car can go by?
Yeah. It's like, I think it's like
that well. You can't have two.
Cars. Pass each other.
Right, the good part about. This is that there won't.
Be any other cars out there, True, yeah.

(01:20:02):
But. Then what if they?
What if it's not wide enough foreven one car as far as they
know? Because they don't know what
he's doing right now, right? And there's no humans who.
Give a crap enough to maintain those roads for him to do what
he wants. The only person that has seen.
Him at the moment is his mom. So it just depends on how many
people they have. How many people do they have
watching the roads where he's going.

(01:20:23):
But his quote UN quote mom. Did see him drive off and if
it's 'cause they know they dropped the message for Carol
here like I'm saying. They're going to have to have
people spotting him, maintainingthe road to know.
Where he's going drones? You can see in your head.
Now. They know where he's going.
And he's like, oh, darn, this daring gap.
And then all of a sudden a bunchof people fix the road ahead of

(01:20:44):
him, make it so that he can do what he wants to do.
Wouldn't he be like, what? OK.
He's getting if he's anything like Carol, he'd be like, screw
you guys, I'm going to drive offthe edge and just give him the
finger. Along the way.
Again. I just can't with these people.
They're authentic. Obviously I can't judge them.

(01:21:06):
I mean, I can do that from here,but I can't judge them.
If I was there, I just can't. I would say maybe I'd be the
same. I'd probably be more like the
other survivors with their potluck Tuesdays and Fridays or
whatever, than I would the carols.
It's a good question to ask. Would you be more of a Carol or
a Kumba? I know we sort of asked that in
terms of what we would do with our lives in terms of

(01:21:28):
temperament, would you be more of a Carol or a Kumba or a new?
So I'm going to say. That almost 1000% depends on if
I have a loved one around me. OK with and without with.
A loved one I would be that isn't.
Assimilated too. I don't think it would even
matter. If they were assimilated,

(01:21:48):
because you could at least say Ihave them here, it wouldn't be
the same, right? It's not them, but you're still
not. You're still not going to be.
Completely alone, so you'd be OKif it was.
Without, with or without assimilation.
And you'd be like, not a Carol, right?
I'm not much of A Carol anyway. I'm not really that unhappy,
angry, hate everybody person. I would not be in a Kumba style,

(01:22:11):
as in I'm going to make them tire themselves out and stuff.
Do the things that he's making them.
Do with me OK, But when we were talking about traveling and I
would be the person that's like,I want this village to be
repopulated so I can pretend that it's real.
So you're like Rachel, I would. I wouldn't do.
That but I. Would know.
I mean, I'd know it's not real, but I've got no other choice.

(01:22:32):
What am I going to do? Sit at home and be bored?
Watch freaking Golden Girls DVDs?
That's not much of A life to have.
I would be 90. 5% Kumba, I woulddo the traveling in the
sightseeing to 95% OK. Yeah, but then the.
Does it matter if you have an assimilated?
Partner or not, or even if you didn't, I don't think so because

(01:22:52):
either. Way we're traveling we're still
doing all the things that we want to do but then the harsh
reality of everything would comecrashing down and I would spiral
into a panic attack and cry for a week and then I'd come out of
it and I'd do some more traveling I'd probably cry again
I just I just. Realized you.
Guys put me in the uncomfortable.
Position of being the Carol of this because I fear to be no but

(01:23:14):
I. Fear, that's what.
Might happen with me, yeah, is Iwould eventually turn into a
Carol because I would have you would have questions though,
Dave. Sure, you would have been the
person of going why are you drinking so much milk and why I
would definitely be asking questions.
But I wouldn't be rude about it.I'm just saying of us 3.
It would end up being that I'm the least on board with what's

(01:23:35):
happening. So I'd be like a 50.
Well, 6535, yeah, would be more Kumba ish, right on the scale.
But 35%'s a big portion. I'm just saying, yeah, it's a
big portion of doubt being like,no, I don't want it.
Do I get to keep my dogs? Because that's a big no.
Well. No.
No, she's not affected. So.

(01:23:55):
So yes, you would keep my dog. So yes, you would.
I've had nightmares. Like this before, where I wake
up one day and the whole world has changed and the nightmares
different every time. Sometimes it's like a zombie
apocalypse, sometimes everybody's gone.
Sometimes I wake up and the world is just empty and I'm the
last person here. It's different every time, but
it's always that everyone is affected by something and I'm

(01:24:16):
not. And every single time in my
nightmare, I pan panic, I go into a panic attack and I'm
like, why me? Why am I the only one left?
You have the survivor's guilt. I.
Have the other half and I mentioned the nightmare where
you're there, but nobody can seeyou or whatever, blah, blah.
And so when we're talking about how everybody in the world has
wants nothing to do with Carol that that's the nightmare.

(01:24:36):
There's the want part, right, because there's the desire
enough desire present to not want to.
But they don't have the I died in this dream.
So they don't, can't, they don't.
I know that I'm still here. Charity, the whole.
World is in a secret group chat where they're all talking ish
about Carol. It's an oldie but a goodie,
folks. That you have no idea about.

(01:24:58):
Go ask yourself. Rachel, one more cute.
Little thing to put out there. The shrink wrapped head was
Vince Gilligan. I love.
That when Carol was watching. The John Cena video they had
filmed Vince Gilligan doing thatbecause didn't have the John
Cena scene yet so she was reacting to Vince Gilligan

(01:25:20):
delivering. The video, yeah.
I like how they had everything. Shrink wrapped because it
explains why she had the reaction that she did, why she
stared it for so long, why it took her a minute to recognize
what she was looking at. Yeah, she was doing the brain
orientation. Like, oh, if I see it like this,
oh, it's a head, It's a head. It's a Turkey.
Oh, that. Was not a Turkey, not a

(01:25:42):
butterball. I think there is.
One more thing, there's a machete he has, there's boots.
He even, and this is something we could talk about, but he even
climbs up to the chandelier to get money.
Yeah. Is that what that was when?
He pulled that out. I was like, bro, that's not
going to help you. But he doesn't know that.
Yeah, he. Doesn't know that yet.
But he does a little bit. Because if according and maybe
he doesn't believe in even Carol, maybe he's not as big as

(01:26:03):
fan as he thought. Because if, if, if there's only
12 people left other than him, then maybe he needs the money
for them. Well, he just doesn't so.
But he seems like a skeptic. Too.
Right, like he's not going to believe Carol.
He's not going to believe anything that the hive people
have told him, even Carol, he's like it's worth the risk, but
I'm going to take So he's he's doing what she's.

(01:26:24):
Doing with the Kumba, so she hadto travel to Kumba didn't want
to rely on the message to to be received by Kumba.
So menusis is doing the same thing with Carol.
I don't know if she's legit, butI'm going to find out 'cause
there's an address here, obviously Yep right.
Is that the Yep, I love that's agood.
Parallel. I loved his.
Reaction. When she said there were twelve
other survivors and he was like 12 and it was like, it was like

(01:26:47):
that just opened up a whole new world for him.
Oh my God, there's like a doubleedged world.
Yeah, because if there's only 12out of billions, the one thing
that we didn't see him pack or we did see him pack but is a bit
more of a hairy 1 to dissect. But he breaks out this thing
called that on the front of it says Oh yeah, and talk about.

(01:27:07):
Bookends. Like just like the bookend of
him wanting to visit Carol in person to confirm that she is
not of hivemind and again he is mostly in the dark compared to
everybody else because he doesn't trust this hive mind
enough to get answers right. Like we said, just like the
beginning 60s scene with Elvis and all that stuff.
This box looks like it came fromthe 60s seventies.
Why? Because his roadster which

(01:27:29):
either has a cassette tape or an8 track player.
It's very possible that it's an 8 track player considering the
size of this package and what itis on the front.
It says Prande Mientras conduceshorizont on Ingles Suenos
confluide produced by Josue Carbono and it's learn while you

(01:27:50):
drive horizons in English dreamswith fluency.
It's a learning English on tape and I think it's one of those
crazy ones where you learn by osmosis too.
I looked up. Suenos called fluids means
dreams with fluency, which basically is you should know the
language enough to be able to dream in it exactly.

(01:28:12):
So he's on. His long journey, which he's
he's very well prepared first ofall for the apocalypse with the
machete and all that, but but also for like situations like
this to why he hunkers down in his job because it's the most
fortified. So when he's on the MG, he's
like, OK, I've got this long drive ahead of me. 3 days, more
than three days, right? Because it's it goes 3 days in

(01:28:32):
the past. So maybe by the time Carol comes
back to Albuquerque, he might bethere, Possibly, I think.
That's a way longer trip then I agree.
Then he could do it three days. It's thousands of miles and you
have to go by car and or ferry or ship.
Flying is the only practical way.
Estimated time is 10 to 14 days of solid driving.

(01:28:53):
OK, so about two weeks. How many thousands of miles?
From Albuquerque to Paraguay's roughly 5100 Yeah, 4800 miles is
what? I got so OK, so it's twice the
distance. From Vegas to Michigan on
American roads. There's a big difference.
I'm talking about the quality ofthe roads.
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There is one more thing that we didn't do that I wanted to do.

(01:30:22):
What do you think this is? That is.

(01:30:49):
Insert relevant musical artists next album here.
This is the. Next generation.
Of what kids call music. Well, let me just say what the
frequency. Was it was 8.613 dot zero?
I know I wanted to see if those numbers had.
Any sort of relevance there is OK, at least the 6/13.

(01:31:12):
Part is interesting in Judaism because you know what a mitzvah
is, right? It's a good deed Yep, it's not
really it's it's a deed. All the laws of Judaism comprise
of 613 of them. There are 248 of which we must
do, and there are 365 that one must avoid.
It's commonly called as a 613. It's vote.
There are 613. Mitzvahs, yeah.

(01:31:35):
Oh, OK, OK, OK, so. At the very beginning when they
got the code, this recipe or whatever, the first episode, how
did that come through? Did it come through as sound
that needed to be deciphered correct.
OK, so that was my thought was that it was the code, it was the
SETI program. Detection thing, right?
Right. Maybe was this?

(01:31:55):
Is the thing that came through initially for the scientists to
decipher? Could be, yeah.
I mean. Radio signals are used.
To control things like garage door openers and remote control
vehicles and stuff. So I mean it could be remote
direction of the humans, right? Remote controlling of the.
Hive brain and. Emotion disrupt that connection,

(01:32:19):
that frequency. Negative emotions do anyway you
notice that when he packed up. And when he started to pack up,
he ripped out the return addressand he put it in his book of
frequencies to the page that hadthat frequency.
Yeah. Which is probably going to be
the first thing he talks about with her, I guess.
What he's? Discovered what do I think the
signal is? The frequency is, yeah,

(01:32:40):
honestly, first gut instinct andI don't know, I have no reason
to change that direction. I really liked your answer
though, Rachel. I'm kind of going back to what
Sharon D says. I think it might be some signal
from another survivor. I don't have strong feelings
about this, but that's what I initially thought in it.
It's like, OK, they're putting adistress beacon out there into

(01:33:00):
space. I'd say into space, but it's
he's. Using a radio frequent somewhere
in the world I think to be that strong.
I don't know. Like the antenna on Lost?
It was just broadcasting the numbers over and over again.
Yeah, kind of like that, right? What?
If they're able to find where. This is being broadcast from and
disable it and everyone wakes up.
Maybe that that's what maintainstheir.

(01:33:21):
Condition will they the mind control?
What if you got snapped out of? It but like everybody's brains
just look up in the wrong body. You'd have portions.
Of these thought processes in your head all the time it would
be messed up I yeah I don't knowI.
Feel like you woke. You woke back up.
But you're in the wrong body. It's your brain.
But you're in the wrong body, Robbie.

(01:33:42):
You wake up and. You've got Queen.
Elizabeth the Second over here and Ted Bundy over here and
Susan Powder up here. So they got people, got his
memories, Susan. Odd.
Records for me, don't ask me where.
That game gone. Don't.
Ask me where that came from. But like you wake up with all
those different John Cena over here.

(01:34:02):
Well, I guess in my scenario if you.
Sever the connection. The connection's gone.
You're not sharing a mind with anyone anymore.
It's just like severing a highway.
Right, but all those things are already in.
There like you get gets cut off on there.
I don't know who knows. We don't know how it works.
I think people would be sad. Wouldn't you think, wouldn't you
be sad if that was cut off in a weird way?
Because it's kind of like being enveloped in everybody in this

(01:34:24):
hug? It'd be a different kind of
loneliness. Yeah, you'd be very alone
feeling. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking,
right. OK, maybe that explains why
people started crying when Carolstarted breaking Zocia out
telling the truth. But I think she was in the
process of in her own way, breaking Zocia out.
I've heard a theory that socia. Was broken out and that's why
they haven't let Carol see her again.

(01:34:45):
But then Socia would be kind of useless to her because I'm
pretty sure that Socia didn't speak English.
Yeah, it's possible, yeah. Well, she be speaking Arabic
probably most likely or who knows if she was out in the
middle of nowhere. I don't what the Amazon people
speak, but I assume it's Arabic though and she's of the age.
She's not of a different time anyway, without everybody.

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(01:35:26):
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We'll see you soon. Bye.
What if next week's episode. Is in the gap at the mall like
what if we got it totally wrong and they're just like in the
mall at the gap hanging out thatwould be awesome maybe that's
kumbas next fantasy he's hangingout at the mall and shopping at
the gap that would be awesome that.

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