Revival |1x03 "Reality Check"

To answer the question posed in the last episode description: NO, a Reviver can't be Unrevived. Silver lining? We know Em Cypress' demise. In darker news, what's Blaine Abel's role in everything that's occurred in Wausau?

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Episode Transcript

(00:20):
We are squawking Dead, a podcastpulverizing programs beyond The
Walking Dead universe. Sometimes we give you news.
Sometimes we make you laugh. Most times we go deep.
I'm your host, David Kelly, and I'm joined by me.
Combo 09. And Bridget, you can find me at

(00:42):
youtube.com/ash Punky Brewster. Ash Punk.
Berkshire Ash Compendium Listen,you guys get the experiment out
here in the live streams and. I thought you weren't supposed
to be editing Dave I'd. Do a little bit of editing.
He's close to himself right now.Now I have to keep this in

(01:03):
because it's too funny. Just leave it, it's fine.
I don't care anymore. It's Bridget, it's Punky
Brewster. You know where to go.
Anyway, we're here with you right now.
Live for the most part on all the platforms, but mostly
YouTube, but all the platforms like X Twitch, Facebook, I guess
to bring you our coverage of revival.

(01:24):
This one, the third episode of its inaugural season titled
reality check just to catch everybody up once things
happened in our lives. I mentioned that actually at the
end of the first episode podcast, which I just released
last night, because sometimes I bootstrap the end of those
episodes with like recent eventsor any cool things that have

(01:44):
just happened, which I get to give to all of you at the
beginning of episodes. One of which is I went away for
the weekend to Boston with Evelyn.
We had a nice little time. I'm a little darker than usual,
which is great. You get out of the sun, you get
brown. It's great.
I don't. Oh well, sex video.
I get red. She's splashed and frankly, a

(02:05):
little right. Yeah, burnt.
It's about. It Evelyn same same energy, by
the way. It's like she's a ginger, but
not she's still there. She's there for a program
teaching about how to educate students on the Israeli
Palestinian conflict in the current war in Hamas, with
Hamas. It's kind of fun.
I think she's great. I think she's it's great that

(02:26):
she's kind of doing her best to kind of settle certain facts and
to give people the proper context for both sides.
And it's, it's, it's great what she's doing out there.
And she was supposed to go to Israel at the end of this Boston
trip. So she's still there.
She's coming home on Thursday. But that didn't happen because
rockets were being good shot at Israel from Iran at the time,

(02:46):
and so they canceled that part of the program.
That sucked. I also mentioned that my dad had
hip surgery yesterday morning. So that morning that we released
the podcast, he's doing great. He reminds me of me after I had
knee surgery, which means that he was really adamant about
showing me his scar when I visited him yesterday and he

(03:07):
basically dropped his pants and insisted I take a photo or two
of it so that he could look at it.
Compare photos on Google lens for some because he apparently
he also likes technology. Also dropping trout.
We share a lot of things, me andmy old man.

(03:27):
Especially post general anesthesia.
We swapped war stories. I flirted with minors, he
flirted with his. My dad still married.
Just want you to know that if I could turn red, I would be.
Yeah, But he's doing great. He's a champ.
He's already on his feet. That's the level of great hip

(03:48):
surgery, by the way. That's crazy.
I know. Well they want you to get up
right away for like knee surgeries and stuff now too,
like replacements and all that, because otherwise you're at risk
for blood clotting and all sortsof other things.
But. Yeah.
And the stiffness and the inflammation and all that stuff,
They they basically want you to get as much mobility as
possible. Yeah.
So that's. Crazy like hey.

(04:09):
We put in metal in your body. Why don't you just get on up?
Why? Don't you walk around with it?
Why don't you get? Up my YouTube channel, I'm at
125 subscribers now. Whoop.
Which isn't a very big deal to most people, but it's been a
long time. It must be that limited series
lounge thing that you're doing lately.

(04:30):
It's garnered a couple more people, sure.
Which I say this just to promoteyour channel.
Oh well, thank you. We're covering the Jinx right
now. If anybody remembers the story
of Robert Durst. Robert Durst.
We'll say Fred Durst. It's funny that you bring that
up, Dave, because actually you just take a look at this beast

(04:50):
about the revival compendium here, because Dave was like
Bridget, did you know it was a comic book?
And I was like, no, he's like I.Figured why do I tell Bridget
facts so that she'll go down rabbit holes and.
Then I was like, good, and I have to buy it and read.
It and I'm going to play The Last of Us now.
I'm going to play Fallout. We'll get Karina to do instead.

(05:10):
I actually like Fallout and Lastof Us Part 1, but I refuse to do
Part 2 anyway so I did read through the 1st 2 issues.
It would appear that in the compendium each chapter is an
issue, Sir. 47 chapters total inthis bad boy.
The reason I said interesting you brought up Limp Bizkit is
because a character in here's ringtone apparently is.

(05:33):
I did it all for the nookie. What?
The nookie. What so you could?
I'm not saying she. Did not want.
To, I don't want to say it, surprise.
Rachel. And also limpus gets rolling is
currently trending on TikTok. I'm like I'm confused as to
what's happening in my life right now.
Fred. Durst, Robert.

(05:53):
Durst, I'm going to say this, don't read this comic book if
you would like to just. Enjoy the.
TV show because something happens in the first issue that
you're like, well, here goes thewhole secret, I bet.
Maybe. Yeah, I mean, I don't know for
sure. I haven't gotten there, but it

(06:15):
was a pretty big deal. I was like, that's weird, That's
real weird. That's beyond where?
What is that? Basically, I just stared at the
panel going. You sure?
You sure about that? You sure about that?
I just want to give you a coupleother differences, OK?

(06:38):
Wait, can I mention one that I actually caught in my research?
Was it the other night or I was getting panels or something that
I mentioned for the first episode?
There was a a Myers gravestone right in the opening scene of
the first episode is a referencein the comic book to a
particular character whom I onlysaw briefly, like a snippet of
their story and the story behindthat character whom we may not

(07:02):
even get to see. Why not?
Honestly, yeah, there's some character introductions that
have happened in the show that I'm like, I don't think this is
going to be in the book because I feel like it would have been
in there already. Or like maybe it's this person
instead. Right, like a character.
Mashup. I'll try to read a little
further next time, I just haven't had time, but it starts

(07:22):
off pretty much shot for shot. Oh, really?
OK. Interestingly enough, yes, the
the crematorium scene is pretty much identical.
And Jason's saying I love to know the book to show
differences and well. And I'll give them to you.
Basically Jason is saying thank you Bridget for and I am saying
thank you, thank you Bridget forgoing to the bother.
I'm glad you got it right away. We were talking about I.

(07:44):
Purchased it, it was more than Iwanted to pay and and how I'm
paying my time. So it does start off essentially
shot for shot the same. Now what's interesting is in the
book it is not contained to Wausau, WI.
It is contained to an area surrounding Wausau, like Wausau
and other cities. Surrounding Wausau.

(08:06):
Yeah. So it's like Merrill, WI,
Wausau, Rothschild, WI, all of these are mentioned in this.
So there's like several different towns.
They're probably around Wausau, honestly.
It's not the tiniest town in theworld.
It's only like 39,000 people. Here's the quarantine area.
There's like a map in the front.There's the state of Wisconsin.

(08:27):
Right. So Bridge is showing us.
The red dot is the quarantine area.
Bridge is showing us like basically Wausau and like a
little bit surrounding area in the show.
In the book it's Mountain Bay, but it's really not Mountain Bay
County. It's like right on the line of
Mountain Bay County though, if I'm not, if I'm not mistaken.
But judging from the map, all right.
Surprising they gave you that much information in a comic book

(08:49):
too. What's interesting also is that
it starts off with something written by Martha and I want to
read it because it's an interesting piece of prose.
I guess I would describe it as chapter one starts off of this.
We stood up on 2 legs and raisedour heads above golden grass.
He was there. We sharpened stone and steel,

(09:09):
used tools to harvest grass, beast and brother.
He was there. We clustered together in brick
and mud, swarming with rats and plague.
He was there. We built nations and mistrust.
Our fingers hovered over the redbutton.
He smiled. Still we build to rise above the
golden grass, away from the reach of his scythe for a day
when he will harvest no more. That's by Steph.

(09:32):
Martha Cypress wrote that in Creative Writing 201 class with
and it was on Monday, Wednesday,Friday with Professor Weimer.
Aaron Weimer, the guy she had anaffair with.
Probably. Probably.
Anyway, I get it. She's so.
Emo and she like she fell in love with it.
Yeah, I mean, most of the other stuff is like, it lines up
pretty well, but there's some pretty big differences that I

(09:54):
cannot mention now because they literally I feel will ruin this
story. Just know it's freaking weird.
Just know that Bridget is being our martyr right now.
I look at it and I'm like that, what the hell am I looking at
anyway? It's just, it's just weird.
It would appear to me that each episode is essentially linking
up with an issue. Each issues like an episode so

(10:18):
far. Oh, I see.
Or chapter issue, whatever they go by.
Single issue. Just because it says chapter in
here doesn't mean anything. Compendium there's.
Just too many words. Remarketed and sold it for
idiots. Before we go to the title of
this episode, to kind of start off the thing in the whatever, I
wanted to actually read this onething just going off what what

(10:38):
you the pros you just mentioned at the beginning of the comic.
I should probably bring it up tothere is a page, the first page
she shows Roadie of what she remembers.
It has some pros as well, and I'm not sure if it's something
she wrote or if it's something that she heard and we'll talk
about that more later in the episode, but I want to bring it
up now. So this is the first page she

(11:00):
shows Roadie. It's got a butterfly on the left
page, something that resembles maybe a moon.
There's a flower behind her lefthand.
There is a crow on top of a grave that says rest in peace.
I saw the later frame as it played out and it's being
written on top of. Like the left side has some
script which is unintelligible. It's a.

(11:21):
Junk Journal, Dave. Yeah, basically, yeah.
On the right side, there's a bunch of question marks on
another junk page that has some writing there that probably
isn't significant at all. I could read it for you, but I
won't. And it has that unicursal
hexagram on the top right corner, that symbol she often
sees and puts down. And here's what's actually
written in strips of paper that she's definitely written down,

(11:42):
but it's either something she's heard, she heard before she
died, or something that she is writing as in the form of prose.
And it says, this really dovetails nicely with what you
read the first morning birth. There are no shadows in the
lightness. Night for the prey rejoices the
killers retreat. I envy the sleepers the never

(12:04):
were denied this moment. I'm thinking it's they, but it's
the the never. Were each dawn's question the
same without you? Why does the night end and bring
the morning MOURNING? I would argue that it says the
prey rejoices at the killer's retreat too.
I think it's just cut off. Prey rejoices.

(12:25):
Oh, maybe. It looks smudgy.
I thought that was kind of cool.OK, so then the title of this
episode is called Reality Check.And I'd like to know, Rachel,
what in terms of this episode does that title?
How does it correlate? I got nothing.
I'll give you a hint if you wantlike a literal.
What was it? Reality Bytes.

(12:46):
Reality check. Reality check.
The hint is the 2nd word. Check.
Who in this episode is a check? Yeah, OK, the check brothers.
Or the, well, the whole family, really.
Basically, yeah, yeah. OK, so I, I don't know if you
want to dig in a little further.Sometimes the Choo Choo train
takes a little while, but it starts sometimes it moves.
I. Don't like this one?

(13:07):
Pass, punt. I just didn't think about the
title too much. I didn't even know the title
before you just said it. Either did you get to watch the
end of the episode before you got a little phone call?
Oh really? OK, that's what I was wondering.
I hadn't thought of it until just now.
I missed probably the last threeminutes.
I mean, I saw it on the screen, but I have no idea what was

(13:27):
happening. I couldn't hear it or I didn't
know the brothers were weird to me it feels like.
What do they call that? A red herring.
Oh yeah, it's like very much a. Red herring and they're like.
What? Exactly is the the brother?
Because it's trying to. Imply.
That she, yeah, that they're themurderers, that she was murdered
by them. And that's not at all the case.

(13:47):
It's. Just it's just a weird way of
the brothers are red herrings, they don't exist.
She sees Blaine, or whatever theheck his name is, right in
another flash. Stephen Ogblame, Abel.
He's got more to do with this than.
Specifically her death or everything as a whole?

(14:07):
Could be both OK. Well, I mean even in her vision
he's not doing anything threatening or ominous, it just
shows him with a flashlight to her face or in front of her face
so she can't really see him so well.
Are we to believe that these were her final moments before
she died, or just a memory that she's recalling?

(14:28):
Well, she's trying to put together what happened and who
murdered her, and these are the things that she feels like came
from that night, her trying to piece together the memories.
Can I say why? Your question is actually really
cool, Rachel. OK, I often think about this
sometimes. How?
No. No.
She's going to tell you anyway, so just shut up and wait.
Yeah, no, it's. How I talk, it's how I speak

(14:50):
good English. Often when it comes to traumatic
events, a when it's really traumatic, we want to forget
them. That happens.
And it kind of explains why thatone dude with the heart attack
could remember everything up to the fact that he woke up.
He had to dig himself out, whatever it was on Revival day
and couldn't. But there's another part of
this. They keep bringing up the way in

(15:12):
which her mom dies and it was a car accident over the bridge,
right? I wonder if she's not mashing
together those two events, her actual death and revival,
etcetera or whatever. With the traumatic experience of
the car accident. Which also makes me wonder if
this whole revival business has affected people long before that

(15:33):
two week period that maybe that two week period that happened
recently. That is the red herring is that
we're focusing too much in the two weeks than when it maybe was
two years ago. Was what they said something?
Happened years before or a period of time before.
And they had a zero day event basically of the two people who
died in that time period. I am reaching with that part,

(15:55):
but I do want to connect the traumatic memories and how we
remember things incorrectly. Absolutely.
She chose to jump off. It was.
I mean, it's still terrifying, right?
She's still going to have flashes.
Was M with her mom? She's the.
One who drove. Yes.
Oh, OK. All right.
And obviously because of her condition, she then spent like

(16:19):
two person in the hospital. Oh.
Yes, OK, it's coming back to me now.
Yes, yes, OK. Yes, we did know that I did, I
think. We learned it through exposition
with Ibrahim, I think. Correct.
When Dana and Ibrahim were talking, all we remember is the
last bits where he's like, let'sdo this again sometime.
Yeah. What?
Talk about trawling he. Feels it again this episode.

(16:42):
He's still my favorite. Episode after episode, he's
still my favorite. Girl likes a good guy.
Too. He's very likable in the comics
as well. He's very like our Comic Relief.
Obviously now he's a little, he's like a little more suave in
the comics. In the comic, obviously he is.
Who do you remind me of Eugene in the comics?
In the comics, he reminds me of what's his name from Lost Saeed.

(17:06):
Something about him, he's just like a little bit tougher.
He's also got longer hair in it.He's got like kind of a man bun
situation happening. Andy McQueen, your thought
process kind of made me think about something a little
differently because again, because he in the vision, in her
memory or whatever it is, feels like he's just figure out what's

(17:26):
going on. That's not the end of the
episode. Correct.
No, I wasn't sure if you'd gotten there, but obviously you
stopped right around that point.There's two other things you
might have missed. Let's just go through them now.
Is the Moor Creek sample that Ibrahim has some bubbles over?
That was right before that scene, I think.
It's like a swap thing type situation.
Yeah, okay. And is that to say, are they at

(17:48):
Moore Creek, which by the way, Ithought was maybe a an homage to
Tony Moore from The Walking Deadcomics, because there is no more
Creek in Wausau, by the way. Oh yeah, that's interesting.
He was the original artist for the first couple of issues, and
then he was replaced by Charlie Adler because it was like a
timing thing. Tony Moore takes longer with his

(18:10):
art. You can tell if you look at the
first couple issues. I personally prefer Tony Moore's
art. People probably string me up
because of that, but I prefer his artwork.
I just think it's really beautiful.
It was causing like time constraint issues.
I think it. Both should just say yeah, if
you can't do it, you can't do it, you know?
And it was all agreed upon by everyone.
There's no like, no hard feelings.
There didn't. He continue doing the covers

(18:32):
though, for a long while. He did.
Yeah, he did. He did a lot of covers.
I think maybe all of them. Maybe not like every first run,
he might have done variants. I don't know that he had every
single issue because they like to give that to guest spot other
artists. I don't know that much about the
comic scene. I am collecting them single

(18:53):
issue but I don't know that much.
The challenge has been issued, though.
She's like, OK, now I got to find.
I'm going to freaking find out everything there is to know
about Tony Moore. Great.
Going back to the Moore Creek sample that Ibrahim, I mean has,
and then you cut to these two people jumping into the possibly
the same Crick. I hate you.
I hate me, I mean. It's a crazy it.

(19:14):
Just makes me nervous and then like like don't do what he's
doing, don't do it M because then you'll have swamp bubbly
things in your body probably. Or maybe this is the reason for
the outbreak. Or maybe this is the only way
you can kill the revived becauseit's the only thing I can keep
thinking of. My brain was going a mile a
minute. Interesting.
Right, because nothing could kill them.

(19:34):
We just proved it turned her to a crisp and she's still going.
They won't stop growing. They won't stop regenerating.
That's what it sounds like, Rachel.
Don't blame me, OK? You can blame oh, what's
interesting in the comic is she's ripping her teeth out to
make her dentures fit. In the comic.
Comic because she's dentures, which doesn't make a ton of

(19:57):
sense in terms of like the revival lore that we've received
with the show. Right, right.
Because you are to the point. It was confirmed in our chat
with. Luke.
That in fact it's to the point of when the revival happens,
like that's what they defer backto right there.
She wouldn't have had a full set.

(20:17):
Of. If she had dentures.
So it's like, it's kind of weirdto me.
I was like, oh, that makes more sense because like, why else is
she ripping out her teeth over and over again?
But she had mercury poisoning. She was a mad Hatter.
Was that like the official diagnosis of the Mad Hatter that
Ian mercury poisoning? Yeah, isn't this like common
knowledge? I have no idea.

(20:38):
Yeah, it was mercury poisoning. That's like the lore behind
that, because there was a thing at the time.
Because people were dosing themselves with mercury
accidentally. It was on purpose.
And intentionally, I think it's kind of a grab bag mix that was
happening. Why did it give her super
strength though? So I was wondering that about
that myself. It's like OK nobody else is
exhibiting the same thing but I actually had a thought about

(20:59):
that because if maybe some bonesdid break or maybe her condition
makes it so that her revivalnessis constantly trying to repair
these bones in mid break or something and that she can't
have these powers because of it.The severity of your injuries
dictates talking about the rate at which you get healed or

(21:20):
restored. So if her body is constantly
being repaired because of her brittle bones.
What are you talking about? I'm talking about M, sorry I'm.
Talking about Arlene, she was talking about.
Arlene So that made zero sense. Sorry I.
Went straight from that to M OK,I'm always thinking about M, by
the way, which is I, I think that's kind of interesting.
That's weird. That's where my.
It's a little weird. Well, you know, she's older than

(21:43):
she looks. All I'm saying is kidding.
Kidding. Everybody Really acts.
Really acts. Come now.
All I'm saying is that I care about this character.
I do, we're all a little emo. That's fine.
Yeah, Arlene, like, why is she strong?
We just don't have an answer to it right now.
And hopefully we get one becauseotherwise it doesn't really make

(22:03):
much sense. But we'll just have to see what
happens. Well, anything else in terms of
reality check in the title? What do you think it I mean
besides it being a reference to the brothers?
You've got the Wayne Cypress, the sheriff who went over Sexy
Mary delicious head understandably to the governor.
Mayor Delicious? Is that what you just called

(22:24):
him? Who's sexy?
Mary. Delicious.
Is that why his name is Mayor Delish?
Because he's so delicious? We love the Delish because it's
so delicious. Sexy, sexy mayor delicious.

(22:47):
Oh my gosh. Is that how we're going to call
them from now on? Obviously and hot.
Sexy mayor, delicious and hot grandpa.
Grandpa, you went over sexy. Grandpa, no more character
names. Get over, Mayor Delicious to
ordinary governor. Why did I picture Mayor
Cheeseburger? Because of her collar, it was.

(23:09):
So big, very delicious, and I immediately thought of
cheeseburger. Anyway, that's what they did and
reality check, as much as I wantto side with Ibrahim Ramin and
of course my default state is yeah, internment can't sound
bad. Dude.
Quote history. You know, history says it's bad.

(23:31):
However, I've been noticing thatthe show kind of does this
thing. I think it's clever and it's
very subtle. What are you willing to take to
side with the bad opinion? Because the governor's not
wrong, right? It's like, it's not right, but
it's not wrong. Like, nobody wants internment
camps. However, tag and track might be
a good idea. Not in my government, but.

(23:53):
Sure. I'm with you, Bridget.
You know what defaults they? Need to tag and track everyone.
That's and that's what they're. Doing that's even worse.
That's what they're doing. Well, that's what they're trying
to get to. No, they're only tagging them.
It's. Actively already happened.
You carry it in your. Pocket.
That's true. We are.
Walk around with it. We're idiots.
We're all sheep. Tag and trace, right?

(24:15):
It's hipster COVID 2007. This is 20 years ago because the
rap sheet list was 2007. Yeah, I definitely would have
gone to that show then. And by the way, Alkaline Trio.
So happy I know. Which made me realize I think
they're subliminally messaging Bridget so that she'll like
instantly love this show becauseAlkaline Trio and all these
other emo bands. This.

(24:36):
Is one of my favorite bands. Especially from the last
episode, Jason likes Mayor Delish Reality check.
We have to be realistic about what's happening here and to the
lady from the bar her name was Clarice.
She was talking about her and same energy with the tagging and
tracking. It's not normal.

(24:56):
Why are people pretending like it's normal that people came
back? It doesn't mean that you have to
be a Dick Dick bag about it right, but don't act like it's
normal. There's there's a happy medium 2
truths can be true. You can be scared and you could
see by the end of the episode Dana Cyprus cuddles up to Cooper
because Dana is Wayne. If you want to know what Dana is
thinking, look at Wayne. If you want to know Wayne is

(25:18):
thinking, look at Dana. They're the same.
They may do things differently, but they establish like in the
1st 2 episodes, that they think the same way.
They're ready to blame each other for something that happens
and they're both scared, and Wayne is acting accordingly.
Well, I'll give you a little bitof background that I received
via COM. I can't even imagine.

(25:38):
We have this giant compendium, this.
Tone. This huge compendium I I don't
know if this has been revealed in the show because I don't
think the ages will line up, butin the comic book, Dana, she
gets pregnant with Cooper in high school and so after that
Wayne is constantly like being really hard on her and
everything Martha brings up to Wayne after the whole situation

(25:59):
at the Ditney farm where you know, don't the don't tell dad
episode. You mean Ditman?
I felt like it was Ditney in here, but it doesn't matter.
After that happens, Martha goes to Wayne's house.
Actually, instead of going to the dorms, Wayne takes her back
to his house. And so she's there for a little

(26:20):
bit, and she tells him she's like, you're being really hard
on Dana. He's like, well, she almost got
you killed. She almost got herself killed.
I can't live without without youguys.
Like I have to have you in my life.
You have to be here. So you have to be safe.
And she said, well, all she's doing is trying to impress you.
Everything she does is to impress you.
It's why she became a cop, because in this storyline, she

(26:43):
is attempting to go for promotion to detective.
She's not leaving. Right, right.
OK. She wants to move up because she
wants to impress her father. So I think some of that might
show up like residually because it's part of the source
material. It's not the route that they're
going with this story because she's trying to move away from
her father, but. Two things could still be true

(27:04):
right she's if you're denied because she could never for.
Years. Then you just kind of become
cold to it. Right, and he keeps her as an
officer because she doesn't wanther to be placed in danger.
And of course here she is with the freaking Czech brothers
getting her nose in like the underbelly of Owosso.
Which is funny a little. Do you remember the breakfast
chickens, babe? The opioid crisis.

(27:26):
We talked. About in the first episode, no.
This is real. This is real in Wisconsin.
The opioid crisis was bad. But do you think they sold their
opioids through breakfast and dinner Chickens and.
Lunches. I don't think that it went with
folk art. That is an interesting twist.
It's maybe specific to Wausau, WI.
Sure. And little bottle trees out in

(27:46):
the front it. Was weird.
No one's quite hitting the the Midwest accent like I want him
to either, but it's fine. What's his name?
Almost, but it sounded like a Boston accent.
Andrew. First of all, all the Czech
brothers had a star. Their names start with a so it's
Anthony, Andrew and Adam. So the middle one, the middle,
obviously the middle child, Andrew with the bad teeth.

(28:07):
He has like a Boston accent. It wasn't what I wanted, you
know, It's not me. And now I think I expected the
mom to be like, oh, let me, we'll get you the one out of the
piece. My Darlene.
It's the best one. I think you're going to love it.
Like that's what I wanted. I did not receive it, you know.
I just got it now so I'm happy. I'm going to dub all the

(28:28):
episodes. Just to say.
With me doing horrible Midwest accents.
I'll still do Andrew's Boston accent terribly.
Also the his line about the yearbook woman best voted to end
up with a lez to lez out or something.

(28:50):
It's very early aught coded like.
Yes, well, you know, sometimes you just miss humor like that
out. You were voting most likely to
die in prison. I was like wow you guys are
really quippy here. Eyebrow content or receiving
that was asylum basically I was like maybe not involved in this

(29:15):
production at all, but they likesnuck maybe they.
Are maybe they? Snuck in there a.
Little bit. They said, hey, we have our
hands and everything at Sci-fi Lez out.
The shark week when she was whenthey were mentioning tag and
tracking if if it's good enough for shark week.
Or Sharknado Dave, but it's. Fine, I know.
Obviously, we talked. About Shark Week is a real
thing, Dave. I really wish it wasn't, but

(29:37):
that's just my own issue. That's a me problem.
Do I hate sharks? Are you anti?
Shark, he's anti shark and anti shark week even more so.
Shark Week is put on by Big Shark.
Big shark money. I wish mayor.
Delish. Delicious.
Sexy mayor Delicious. Would ban shark week right I.

(30:01):
Want to talk about the punk show?
I want to talk about the Of course you do.
Yeah, the special effects were good because I felt sick.
I was like, this is so gross, too.
I was like, but then I was like,but keep watching.
Right. You're like this, you're like
putting your your eyes are like speaking out between the slits.
Gross. I feel a little sick, like my

(30:23):
tummy just went rumbly and something might come up or down.
OK, so one what I love about this angle.
OK, I actually really like Roadie.
I'm sold on 40 Teen Roadie. He was like hipster consent form
also too like he's very respectful I.
Love it. Well, it very much gives like
any punk kid, the whole kit in Kaboodle, the like, that's my

(30:47):
girl. Like the whole thing.
I was like, Oh yeah, I've known this guy, I've met this guy,
I've met this guy. He's like sweet as apple pie.
And then he's like up on stage, like I'm rubbing my body open
and you're like, that's weird juxtaposition there, dude.
But. Cool, you write a song about it
bro. What I loved about this was that
like, it's so punk in the way the punk is like, it can't

(31:09):
exist. Do you know what I mean?
Like. Let's be fair.
Punk can't truly exist because like once you lean into it, then
you're not punk anymore. And so the fact that you're
cutting yourself open on stage is like super punk, but you're
doing it because you know it's going to close back up.
So it's like, not punk at all. I see.

(31:30):
What you're saying, And I loved that.
Because no danger. There's no teeth to it, dude.
You, you're going to heal like you're absolutely fine.
Was it awesome? Yeah.
Would I have gone to that concert?
A. 100%. Bet your sweet bottom I would.
Have would you fight M for his love?
For Roadie, probably, I'm not even like into him, but like I
would have been, you know what? I mean, it's like an in the

(31:51):
moment thing. Like 2007 Bridget would have
been like, yeah. Sure, the bassist.
Yeah, drummer probably. Honestly I didn't look at him
but like that's just more my speed.
Anyway the. Joke is I'm.
Married to a guitarist now so weand singer.
So weird. So there you go, you got front
billing. I got my roadie.
Backup. Got roadie eventually anyway I.

(32:13):
Shouldn't poop on basis. Like they're literally when we
were doing interviews and when Iwas doing radio like 20 years
ago. They're literally the nicest and
the most forthcoming with answers.
Do you talk? About first, almost most
typically the most normal personin the band.
Normal, charismatic, actually charismatic like.
Dressed for like their nine to five job.
You don't think you'll see them in 10 years with a drug problem?

(32:35):
Was he dressed for his nine to five job?
Rachel? No.
Oh, he was all in. He was invested.
Tell me more black nail Polish. No, wasn't a punk band more
rock? OK, Mohawk, Anything.
Straight edge No. We're just like.
Wait, wait. Baggy T-shirts and ball.
Bearing necklace. Short 100%.
I I got but with. The 90s thread weaved around

(32:59):
each one, right. Oh, do you know what I'm It
wasn't just. That's true.
It wasn't just the ball. It wasn't.
Just the ball thing. Between the balls?
No. No.
No it. Was like thread, it was usually
leather, strapping or. But it was like.
Depending on what it was like. Whatever you make, like
friendship bracelets out of a. Lanyard.
It wasn't plastic. It's embroidery thread.

(33:20):
Yeah, it's like thread. OK, Yeah, it's also.
We wrapped our hair in Dave whenwe did.
Hair wraps. Yeah, hair wraps were cool.
I'm a little. I'm a little older, we had
wallet chains and mushroom haircuts.
Yes, wallet chains were all. Jaco Jeans.
I mean, I know that survived. They're jingles.
Also, Jaco, I don't. Know what you were wearing,

(33:41):
Jaco. Jaco Evanek Z Cavarici pants.
What are you? Talking Emporia Armani shirts.
Let's just keep going, OK? Anyway, cross colors, you know
it's a regional thing. Members only.
So I really liked it. Rachel, did it live up to your

(34:06):
expectations or were you fully hoping a dismemberment?
Because to be honest, that's what I was expecting.
I thought he was going to cut something off.
Sure. Yeah, I did.
I thought that too. We'd start with a finger, maybe
the foot. Like I wasn't expecting what
happened. I mean, it was cool.
I think it. Was better than what I was
expecting anymore grossly. It's because of the hand in.

(34:28):
Yeah, and then I had more questions because he was like
screaming and stuff. And I'm like, does it hurt or is
this all for show? Like how much do you really
feel? I imagine it hurts.
That. Was it?
Just ask Arlene. She was working.
Her teeth out? No problem.
She Oh well, it's just that when, when she was lit on fire,
she was screaming bloody murder.She was also insane.

(34:48):
She wasn't screaming when she was on fire.
She was like cradling her daughter's face.
At first, when she wasn't lit onfire, she's like, Oh my Terry.
Yeah, Oh my Terry. And then she was lit on fire.
I was like. I don't remember her screaming,
I just. Didn't last very long.
I think the score kicked up at 2:00 at that time though.
Definitely did. Yeah, yeah.

(35:09):
And I still think they feel. Blinded by Stephen, almost, said
Simon and his weird haircut for this.
Blaine. Daddy.
Yeah. It's like a cross between David,
Blaine and Cain and Abel, right?I'm a magician, but I'm also
good, not the devil. Debatable.
Debatable indeed. Weird rallying of his boys at

(35:32):
the end was a little. But it was the guy at the end,
there was that kid at the end who looked at that.
Pan in on him. What's the his significance?
I don't know, I was like, what if you're just an extra?
This is really weird that they panned in on you.
I know. He maybe missed this, Rachel,
but he's released at the police station or the sheriff's
station, and they pan into like the lobby, like the waiting room

(35:53):
basically. And there's this kid sitting
down and he looks like kind of anxious.
And then it pans back over and Blaine is coming in, and then
he's got his hands out and he's like, yeah, who's ready for holy
war? Delivered in classic Stephen Ogg
fashion. And then this kid gets up with
the rest of them. He still looks nervous, though.

(36:14):
Is he a plant? He still looks kind of awkward
and like reluctant or weird or like hesitating.
Cop. He's not doing a very good job
if he is. Oh, that's true.
Oh, maybe well, but he had the same look on his face.
I don't know, just to compare apples to apples.
The M did what she was looking at Rhody putting his hand inside
himself, which sounds weird but hey, that's what happened.

(36:36):
Did, but then she yelled at the end.
She liked it at the end. She didn't look scared or
disgusted, she just kind of had that like concerned.
Like you can imagine what I looked like there.
Audio podcast. It was like a more like I'm not.
Constipated if you wanted. I'm worried I'm not disgusted

(36:57):
but I'm more like. She looked concerned.
Like I'll allow it. She didn't look away.
Let's put it that way. Just like this kid at the end,
he didn't look away. He didn't look disgusted.
He's like, I'll allow it. And I guess I'm with these
people. He looks, yeah.
He looks anxious, in my opinion.Unsure of himself?
Maybe? Yeah.
Can we go back to the Creek thing?

(37:18):
Did you have like sudden heart palpitations at the thought of
them being in the Creek that hadthe.
I hate that you're saying Creek and now this is the one that.
Seems like you noticed but you didn't get like worried that
they're in the same Creek that they got the sample from maybe,
perhaps. No, because it looked to me like
they were in a. River.
That's right, It's pretty. Dark, so I don't know.

(37:40):
That's fair. I don't know of very many
bridges that need to go over a Creek.
Isn't a Creek by definition verysmall?
Well, if we're judging Dawson's Creek, then it is actually the
size of the sound, no? Kidding, by the way.
It's the sound. It's the sounds on the coast of
North Carolina, Yeah. Why is it called Dawson's Creek?

(38:02):
When it's an entire huge river, right?
Who can tell? You think you would?
You would actually hurt yourselfbecause a Creek you think is
shallower than a river. Correct.
Yes. Then you guys didn't have the
same panicky thoughts that I did.
I did not. I was just like, that's weird.
I don't know, dude. You read this comic book and
then have any reaction? Other than, why do they get the

(38:24):
plot away right in the beginningof the?
Book. What the heck is that?
What am I looking at? Oh wait, wait, I never finished
finished my thought about because Dana's husband it was
also a musician was the other thought when it came to that.
Is it genetic who was saying that?
Nella was saying this to her? To Dana?
Oh, please tell me. Not a musician.
Yeah, a musician. It was a punk.
A literal punk. And she goes, yeah, I guess it

(38:44):
runs in the family, apparently Cooper's.
I guess Father is. He's alive and actively involved
in Cooper's life in the in the book, so I have no idea.
Does not seem to be the case at all.
He is gone in the show. Yeah, dipped.
Either he dipped, he's dead, or he's they wish he was or he's on
tour or something to that effect.
Well, you certainly can't get innow because of the quarantine.

(39:07):
Right. And I was even thinking like,
OK, he might. It would be really funny if he
was like a super famous musiciantoo.
No, he's like a really bad musician.
Like Rex Manning. Entire records.
Yeah, your dad, he's kind of a douche.
Jordan Cooper's friend, little revived girl.
What do you think about the drama that surrounds Jordan I?

(39:29):
Thought you said something abouta drum.
I'm like what? Do you think about the drum that
surrounds Jordan? It's a drum of hatred.
I feel really bad for this little girl.
She's getting bullied at school and her parents think she's, I
don't know, a demon or something.
Yeah, that at least she's not her I.

(39:50):
Don't know what the point of that scene was but I wanted to
know more about why they said she's different or something's.
Not right, came back wrong. What does that mean?
Is she acting differently? Does she eating a different
cereal? Is there more to it?
Should. Dana be paying closer attention
to M Should everybody be paying closer attention?

(40:10):
I think it's meant to layer in that fear because The thing is,
is like, otherwise all we're seeing this is from the the
protagonist viewpoint, right? We're seeing M, we're seeing
Dana. And so we're feeling sympathetic
naturally towards the revived. Yeah, we're seeing Arlene, but
then we're also given the back story of her son in So then

(40:30):
you're back to feeling I should be feeling bad for these people,
like they're just trying to live.
They got the second chance at life.
And everyone's like hating on them or they're wary of them.
And even though I do side with the mayor and and Ibrahim in
terms of like, what should be done to handle them, the truth
is, is that you don't know enough about what's going on.

(40:52):
And so there is meant to be thisfear.
And like, what if they did come back wrong?
Because who's going to notice better than a parent who lost
their daughter? Right.
This is why I said earlier like why?
What I like about the series is how they will test your
sensibilities. Oh, you're obviously supposed to
side with your protagonist and their wisdom.
Like Dana saying to the parents,like you said, even if they came

(41:14):
back not as you were ever remember them isn't enough.
You got lucky, and you forgot that you got lucky.
Yeah, you're supposed to side with that sentiment.
And poor Dana, she's not supposed to know any better.
But on the other hand, the mother just got through telling
Dana, I knew every single hair, strand of hair on her head.
I knew her inside and out. I just because I didn't want
anything to happen to her because it took her so much

(41:36):
effort to bring her into this world, etcetera, etcetera.
Like, is that counts for something too, doesn't it?
Yeah. Rachel knows Silas, the hair on.
He's everything. You know everything about him,
his farts, the way his farts smell.
That's a quote from the Bible also, though.
So yeah, when she says that, theimagery behind her is there's
many crucifixes on the wall. Oh yeah, and very religious.

(41:59):
Family. The Bible passage is from
Psalms, so it's in the Old Testament, but it's it's God
talking about how he knew you from the moment you were
conceived. He knit you together in your
mother's womb. He knew you in the dark place
before that. So like before you were even
conceived, he knew you and he knows every hair on your head.
There's all of this terminology and imagery in the Bible about

(42:22):
like, God knows you better than anyone and if he allows the
birds to feed, what more would he do for you?
The person that he knit together, the person that he
knows all the hairs on your head.
It's like he dresses the flowersin the fields beautifully is
what we always comment about flowers.
Then how much more will he provide to you, His creation?
He knows you so intimately that he knows every single hair on

(42:45):
your head. I thought it was an interesting
choice of words, but it makes sense because they're religious.
So like they're trying to say, Iknew her so well, I knew
absolutely every hair on her head.
Now, that's not possible for a human to know every hair on her
head, but it's beautiful imagerythat they're trying to tie
together. I love that too, because it
pairs really well with the actual unicursal hexagram, the

(43:08):
meeting of opposites. I think it was essentially
because there's a contingent of this town that's like very
liberal. Let's I'm going to use that word
as a quote like, right, because they're very maybe anti religion
or like religion, not really forme.
And then there's like, whoa, hardcore, hey, high in your
face. And then you have these two
sides meeting the living, the dead.
Wayne himself is kind of like that.

(43:30):
He's she calls Ibrahim Rameen a liberal in the first episode or
two, like even the liberal siding with me, you know, like
that sort of thing. Bob Dittman, who put pulls a gun
on Ibrahim as he's checking the house.
Even though she wasn't servicingmy needs like his wife, he's
talking to his wife. Wild thing to bring up during

(43:51):
her funeral. Bro no.
Kidding, No kidding. But like, I love that little,
that schlock. Like at a funeral even.
Like what? What's happening here?
Classic. I loved her even though she
wasn't fulfilling my needs any longer because her mother was
living with us. Like what?
Gulp. Gulp.
I love Wayne's face. He's like interesting choice.

(44:12):
Maybe not how I would have worded it.
It's crazy. But yes, he's 2 opposing forces.
So going back to that, I like how it's challenging your
sensibilities because maybe the the parents are kind of right,
doesn't change the way you're supposed to be.
Yeah, we won't know until we getfurther into it, but.

(44:32):
You got to tag and track. That's the point.
You got A tag and track. There's no judgment.
You just got to do it in this America, Bridget.
Not in my America. My America is a lawless
wasteland, Dave. Speaking of.
Speaking of. Lawless.
Done for the day. I just want to mention.
Then Dana hears squid pro quo from.

(44:55):
I love. This check, she uses it at the
end when she's talking it to Anthony.
She says, well, he doesn't have to go away for his third strike.
Little squid pro quo. She uses quid pro quo with with
Anthony the elder brother. I know, it's so funny.
I like to, she said. Other dumb things.

(45:15):
You know, a little. Squid pro quo Is this like a
dumb like moment or is it like Italked to your mom and I need
you to know that I talked to your mom do.
You know what? I.
Mean like I couldn't tell if it was one or the other because she
also did the weird scouts on earth thing.
So it's like, did she? No, not in this episode.

(45:36):
But it's just like there's, there's clearly a little bit of
dumbness, you know, the like theevidence keeps going up to a
it's just stupid. So.
She didn't taste the mill water,the milk, the more Creek water,
whatever. One more thing maybe and then we
can close it out. But I was just wondering, OK,
one, does Wayne know that M is arevived?

(45:57):
I wasn't 100% sure about that because they were fighting when
they were at the hospital. I think it was.
Did that information get revealed to Wayne?
Because what Blaine says at the end of the episode is like we,
you know, we just want the same things, like I'll never want the
same things as you. He goes might want to think
about that. And then you remember that MCS
Blaine Abel, right? So there's he know Blaine may

(46:20):
know something that her own father doesn't know.
Correct. I just wasn't sure if he knew
that she was revived and I guessnot.
No, right? Interesting.
So it's important to remember that too because of the scary
text. The way she was behaving before
she died, there's a lot of things that still are kind of
murky because of the drugs. Before the drugs apparently she

(46:41):
was a Dick bag and stole them from the check house which seems
unlike her. But if she is broken and her new
broken is actually not being a Dick bag drug person then.
Do weird stuff. Yeah, and now that she's clean,
maybe she's a different person. Maybe she came back right
instead of wrong. Well, she says it took dying to
make her feel alive. Sorry, Rachel, I drag you see, I

(47:03):
kept you on the phone and. Good night Rachel, go to bed,
but like, turn off your camera. First, also be nice to yourself.
Like Jerry Springer says, all the time, be good to yourself
and each other. Yep, that's what.
That's what Jerry Springer is really well known for.
Yes, that's what I remember every time I finished watching
it. Yeah, Jerry's Corner.
Yeah, with the painting behind him.
Nice. So the thing I want to mention

(47:29):
is that there is a component of the comic book that is thus far
unmentioned and they might just not mention it all because it
has to do with like a specific level of like racism.
That's touched on. I don't know, they haven't
shield away from it too much. I don't know that this is a very
well known fact about the state of Wisconsin, but after Vietnam

(47:53):
War, among people were considered refugees in America
and a large population of among people moved to Wisconsin.
They were housed there, for instance, because like in the
town that I lived in at the time, it was a small town.
During World War Two, there had been a shipbuilding company
there. And so there had been houses

(48:13):
built to house World War Two soldiers and shipbuilders,
naval, naval workers at the time.
They were then empty because there was the shipbuilding
companies closed. So houses like that were
provided to refugees later afterthe Vietnam War, that element of

(48:34):
the among people moving to Wisconsin and not being treated
super well because they were given things that the American
public was not given at that time by having refugee status.
They helped us in Vietnam. So the American government was
like, come over here and we'll help you get set up.
But. Like stipends and stuff
initially. Stipends, housing, you know,

(48:55):
like just normal, like federal government funding, right?
However, they moved them to poorfarming communities who didn't
have a lot and so it was viewed as favoritism.
I'm. Not saying it doesn't make it
right, like it in no way makes this like acceptable or correct.
I'm just giving like a little bit of background to what's

(49:15):
there. The timing of that was actually
perfect because I'm not saying in a good way, I'm saying it was
a perfect storm because right after that became gas shortages
in the late 70s. Seventy, 879, correct.
The Ayatollah is taking over in Iran, deposing the Shahs.
That also tanked gas prices to it's perfect storm of
terribleness. Yeah.

(49:36):
So anyway, there are Hmong characters in this book, which I
thought was really interesting there.
Specifically, the characters talk about them being Hmong.
They have Hmong last names, which I know and recognize the
names because of my time in thissmall Wisconsin town.
I work worked with a lot of among people and I learned a
little bit about their culture. Not a ton, but a little bit

(49:57):
because they, the people that were my age were really trying
to like Americanize themselves and they were letting go of a
lot of the old traditions because they wanted to like
assimilate into the US, which. Identify with that.
I get it. Being first generation American.
You understand that, Dave. I understand it to some degree.
It's less so with mine because my dad was British.
So it's like not the same, but right.

(50:19):
I understand wanting to just be like, no, like I'm normal,
everything's normal. But when you do that, then you
lose that really great culture and history that you could have.
And that happens even currently,right?
Like, I grew up in the South, I don't have a lot of that
Southern culture that was aroundin generations prior to me
because it's been let go of overtime.

(50:40):
It's why things like the Foxfirebooks existed, like the Foxfire
magazine projects that came out of North Carolina existed
because the Appalachian teens didn't want to bother to learn
things from their elders. And so we lost tradition over
time because things weren't written down.
Things were told orally. This is a tale as old as time.
This has happened over and over and over again in America.

(51:02):
But I just wanted to mention it because it's such a interesting
fact about Wisconsin specifically.
So I thought it was interesting to see Hmong representation in
this book. The characters have been fine
but there has been racism exhibited towards them.
So like even still in the, I guess early 2000s?
Correct. I heard, I heard it, I heard it

(51:23):
growing up. And like how far removed were we
from from that? Wow, wow.
Well, I could go on about how some things just really never go
away, just given recent history.I just, I just, I thought it was
an interesting tidbit. The show isn't reflecting it at
all. I don't know if they ever will,
but it's an interesting fact about Wisconsin.
And so I just, I wanted to bringit out because it is in the

(51:45):
book. And maybe it'll play a hand in
the story at some point. But.
It might have a feeling it will because I don't know why else it
would be intertwined because it's not just like a one off and
one issue. It's been brought up a couple
Times Now. Right, right.
Well, that's what I mean. Like the IT sounds like a lot of
things that they they assaulted you with apparently in the first
few issues may weave themselves in a little bit more cleverly

(52:08):
than in the comic book. Is that?
I am hoping so. I don't know, Dave.
I'm just left here like stunned and flabbergasted by something
I've seen. It sounds to me like, OK, you
know how. And I feel like the The Last of
Us does this, Fallout does this too, that some of the audience
knows something that the rest ofthe audience doesn't know.
And even the people who read thecomic book, when you first read

(52:31):
the comic book, let's say back in 2010, there's a an element
of, you know, something right off the bat.
The characters in the show do not know.
But maybe you don't know what you think you know.
So there's that. Also a thing.
Also, whatever I know, Cooper also knows.
Oh OK, I already got a clue intowhat you might have heard or

(52:51):
seen or heard. And when I tell.
You, Dave. That your brain, no matter what
you're thinking, it's not that. I'm cool either way, I can't
wait to find out. You know, I don't know that
you'll ever find out. That's what I'm saying.
I'm like, is this ever even going to be brought in or is
this just like a weird thing that's happening to me?
Or is this or is this like a from situation where like oh it

(53:12):
could be anything? It can't.
It literally can't. It can only be one thing.
Only be one thing. In my opinion, I don't.
I don't wait. It's an opinion now.
I can't describe it, Dave. I cannot.
Describe it No please. Don't.
It's a weird experience that I'mhaving right now.
I, I don't know, I joked and said like, don't read this
because it assaults you in the first issue.

(53:32):
It does. But it is interesting and it's
been much like with anything based on an original source
material, we have changed it. OK, OK a bit.
Which good because I don't want to literally read the thing I'm
watching. I already do because I have
subtitles on. I don't want to read it then a

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second time in a slightly varying media.
So best that it not follow it completely.
I was flipping through a couple pages past where I read and I
feel like I see the funeral of Terry.
So I think it does get back on track.
It's like following a lot of thesame things.
There's some other characters like I we haven't been

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introduced to yet. Like the Myers character?
Maybe, maybe, I don't really know their name.
I will say this, Blaine isn't the one who lights Arlene on
fire. Oh, OK, interesting.
It's Randy. He shoves her in the
crematorium. OK, where is where is Graham
Barrett anyway? I don't know.

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I miss Graham Barry. Well, I, I'm going to switch
gears a little bit because do you remember how Roadie died?
How? What he said he.
Died because? Yeah, because he's a hipster.
OK, well this is going to make what I say is it even funnier?
OK, I'm going to cue this up. I could have been roadie
essentially. OK.
You're also an idiot. Great.

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Yep, this is a clip that was in the show.
I talked about this on the show.This is our holiday special,
episode 81 as our first holiday special.
I think this is 2018 or 2019. Here we go.
Reality is way less badass. I was.
I was trying to deep it an avocado in my hand just like
this, you know? And the way a man really does
it, a real man, right? They stick the knife in and

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twist it around to pull it out, right?
No. OK, just me, but when it's been
in the when half of an avocado has been in the fridge for a
little while, it already kind ofloosens up.
So I went overkill and I just went right through the avocado.
It just slippity slip and right into my palm like right right
here, right where you could get nerve damage.

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Did you go to the hospital though, Dave?
Nope, I didn't either. Oh.
My God. Go to the hospital.
The knife itself was one of those.
Like small fruit paring knives or the tiny ones, right?
But it did go like about 1/2 an inch deep into my palm and that
was gushing blood. I was like, you know, just just
put the run, put it under running water and just, you

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know, put some Neosporin on it. And sure, it hurt for a little
while and had to be really careful, but I went away for the
weekend and everything turned out OK.
To be fair, I cut the tip of my finger off and never sought
medical attention. Deadline cook at my job at the
time I was bartending and I did it slicing lemons.
Threw away the tip of my finger and then proceeded to bandage me

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up and I still get queasy thinking about it.
Does your finger look the same? It's not.
Like just like a little scar on the end where it's kind of like
flat. Yeah, A.
Little bit. I don't know that I have a scar,
but I guess I'll never. I guess we'll never know.
I'll never tell. There is a photo.
If you go to my private Instagram, there should be a
photo there of the actual wound.This is like literally

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20/19/2018 of fall 2018 nineteen.
There's not much on my Instagrampast like the squawking dead
stuff that I only started posting recently.
So have at it. You'll find it really pretty
quickly. The more interesting one or
screenshot that I took of her notebook was the one where she
sees a silhouette in a tunnel with tracks underneath the

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silhouette and the light behind it.
So you can that spot what? Well, I mean, the only
interesting thing about that wasyou could either see them as
train tracks or like a ladder because it looks more like a
ladder than I did train tracks. I'll show it in the Spotify
video. It's just not even worth showing
right now. Just going through the bother of
it. Let's close on this.

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Maybe the continuation of Rhody saying to M the heel taker to
the beach after the promise thatDana and she made about going to
Virginia Beach, I think it was. Myrtle.
Myrtle Beach. OK, I was so close.
Same vicinity, right? Virginia.
Myrtle. It's like states away, but it's
fun, yeah. There's a couple states.
Virginia, North Carolina. Yeah, South Carolina, a thought

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occurred to me that I often sometimes think about, you know,
how everybody has like a messianic or at least Judeo
Christians have this messianic component to them, which is
like, OK, the Messiah comes and everybody saved, etcetera,
etcetera, promised land, etcetera, right?
Yeah. Kind of like what Dana says to
Jordan's parents about this is the miracle.
Basically, you're wasting it essentially with all the fear

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that's going about the tagging and the tracking and everybody
being worried and everybody's scared of Arlene, clearly.
And that's perfectly valid, 100%.
But it occurs to me like, would humans know because of how
cynical we've become, whether a miracle occurs or not, and they
lose the blessing because it's been giving to them?
If they're if they're just willing to accept the miracle,

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then they would be saved. Right.
Yeah. Of course, because if anyone
tells you a crazy story online, you're like, yeah, they're
lying. Or like, if you saw something
online, you'd be like, yeah, AI.Like if I saw the sky opening up
on someone's phone, I'd be like,I was AI.
Cynicism is just so high now, which is sad because the end
could be nigh and I wouldn't even know because of my own

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skepticism. What I really wanted to focus in
about this, like this concept ofmiracle, is with Martha.
She's having this conversation with Rhody and she's saying like
it took her dying to become alive and she was afraid to jump
off the bridge. As someone who's had a near
death experience, I feel so jealous of this gift that

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they've been given to know this can't be hurt.
This concept of being able to try whatever you want because
you don't fear death. I don't fear death like I feel
resolved in my salvation. So I know what happens to me
after I die and I'm OK. Like I'm happy with that.

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And for me. But there was a time after my
near death experience in which Iwas afraid to go to sleep at
night because I was worried I wouldn't wake up.
And I used to cry myself to sleep every night because I was
so afraid to fall asleep. And so when I think of that time
in my life and then I see this, it's made-up, but I see this.

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I'm like, oh, what a gift that would because.
Like what if, what if it was just taken away suddenly?
Yeah, that's the other thing. Like this is so fantastic that
I'm even here right now that it would be just as sense making
that they would be taken away. From you live off of that high,
like I easily could be dead and I live off the high that I'm
still alive. So like I can only imagine if it
was tenfold and I was like immune to all danger now, you

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know, stopping me be insane. Yeah, because it's already
crazy. Yeah, it wouldn't be so crazy to
be taken away, is the thing. I became kind of like fascinated
with that aspect of this storytelling.
It's kind of like when you dreamabout something and you're
everything is great. In the dream, you're able to
fly. In the dream, it's like, why
would you want to wake up? Oh yeah, haven't you woken up
from a dream and been like, Oh my God, I got to go back to

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sleep because I want to drive? If you can't die in reality, why
would you want to go to sleep? Because what if you go to sleep
and that's, well, it's gone. Yeah, what a concept to have.
No Fear. Fear, truly.
Yeah. Of physical harm.
Because physical harm is what stops us from doing so many
things. Well, pain itself, yeah, just
goes back to the first episode. I.

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Don't know, it's just interesting.
And pain receptors are there to stop you from doing things.
Like jumping off a bridge. You can imagine how much it
would hurt and that fear alone stops you from doing things.
It is meant to be a survival instinct, right?
So you'd be fighting that, but how interesting to to live
without that? I don't, I don't know.

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Right. Well, and the jury still out on
whether they actually feel pain.It feels like they do, I think.
If they do, or. Maybe it's a psychosomatic too,
because it could be that too. But you hear Rhodie say the
healing feels like electricity running through my body.
They're like a rush, right? So the healing itself is the
thing they feel, maybe not the pain.
And I would argue if you had an addictive personality, even if

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there was pain attached to it, if that felt good enough,
Martha, I'm looking at you. You're going to start seeking
that then. Right.
We talked about the Czech brothers and how well they all
look. Different kinds of gross, right?
The teeth we don't. Know what Anthony looks like,
but yeah. But we do, because we saw his
rap sheet. And who is Anthony being played

(01:02:11):
by? None other than somebody I think
you'd appreciate. Because you're you CM Punk,
basically. Stop.
It's not really CM Punk though. It's really CM Punk.
It's CM Punk. Yeah.
I hate CM Punk. Hold on, babe.
Babe. CM Punk's can show.

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Let's watch together. I hate that that makes me so mad
I. Mean he is a Czech brother so.
He's like, he's so OK, so here'sthe thing.
Like he's so good. I'm like such a mark for this.
He's so good at being like this.Just totally, I just hate him.
I hate him. He's straight edge like that's
and that's just such a big part of why I hate him.

(01:02:54):
Do you know what I mean? Oh, it's like.
Like he's just better than everybody else, you know?
Yeah, yeah, there's that, all those guys.
But like, that's not what it really is.
You're just giving us a bad name, whoever those are.
I'm not straight edge, but yeah,sure.
You're not. Definitely not.
Never have been and you can't. You can accuse me of a lot.
That's why I recognize the voice.

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I was like, that voice sounds really familiar and I couldn't
place it. Jason says.
He's a big WWE fan, so he was surprised.
Jason, how do you feel about CM Punk?
Jason's probably watched it fromthis episode too.
Maybe like, you could have seen the photo.
But yeah, maybe, you know, that's fine.
I only found out about it because in my research for the

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show, I saw that name straight across, so that when we saw the
Czech brothers, I was like, OK, also name the name.
Check. It's an interesting.
Right. Because I actually initially
spelled it like Czechoslovakia, right?
And I'm like, wait, no, it's literally it's CHECK.
I'm like, what? Maybe it's a disambiguation of

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their homeland? They Americanize themselves.
Wait, we're just talking about that like the among people
Americanize themselves? I had never heard of the among
people until you just brought them up.
Just learn something new every. Day.
Interestingly enough, someone ended up donating a children's
book to our school called The Whispering Cloth, specifically
about Hmong culture. I used to own a monk quilt and I

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really, really loved it, but unfortunately when I married my
husband I lost my head. Well, I had to get rid of it
because it was given to me by a former.
With ex Gotcha. Former.
Situation and then Travis to be so jealous he's like he's out
of. Bed.
I mean, I get that. Yeah, I had to get rid of it
anyway. I had some good memories.

(01:04:44):
No, I didn't. It was a situation chip.
It was not good memories at all.Damn.
OK. Let's get rid of it anyway,
Jason said he thinks he likes CMPunk more than I do.
I guarantee that you do. Yeah, I.
She hates Look, look. Look, look, look, look, look,
look. It's got nothing to do with this

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time on WWE. I never really liked him because
I don't like this straight edge component personally, but when
he left and he went to AEW and then he pulled all that crap at
AEW and got into a fight backstage, a real one.
I'm a mark, but I'm not that bigof a mark.
I'm a smark. I he.
Wants to believe in magic. This is too magical.
I want. To believe in Bigfoot, Dave, I

(01:05:25):
cannot. It's like ever since then, I'm
like, I just want to punch his face.
And I mean like, good, because he's a heel a lot of the time.
Well, sorry, I digress. We don't need to talk about
wrestling. It's fine.
We're going to stay on the checks because Andrew check.
Well, obviously when you buy a breakfast chicken or lunch
chicken or dinner chicken from his mom, you get a thing.
Usually drugs, probably. Instead, he gives her a comic

(01:05:48):
book, and it's a real. Comic.
Is it a real comic? Who is it published by?
It's the first issue of Hack andSlash.
Basically, it's Image Comics andit is also written by Tim
Seeley. Oh, interesting.
Revival and hack and slash. It's a real.
Thing you know what it made me think of dot hack.
Keep going. Just like an anime because it's

(01:06:09):
like dot and it's like a back slash.
It reminds me of Hunter X Hunter.
Not that. Well, let me read you the
synopsis of the It's the first issue of the comic.
It came out in 2010. Also ish, right?
Oh, it was written in 2007. Whatever.
It was published in 2010. Cassie Hack, the daughter of
notorious slasher The Lunch Lady, travels the world with her

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monstrous partner Vlad, hunting and destroying slashers wherever
they may be, in whatever form they may take.
But Cassie may have met her match when its residents of
Eminence, Indiana became victimsone by one, of a vicious undead
killer and his army of zombie pets.
Zombies. This guy's really into zombies.
Yeah, Cassie and Vlad will have to wade hip deep through undead

(01:06:52):
hamsters, cats and dogs to save a beautiful veterinarian from a
monster that makes all those popcorn slashes looked like
Mother Teresa. 28 pages, full color, mature readers.
Cover price is $1.00 from Image Comics at the time.
Yeah, they'll. Make them like they used to.
They don't. They are no longer $1.00.
That comic is worth 56 dollars 9.4 rating so how about that?

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That's pretty cool. Just thought that was
interesting. That was interesting.
Do I need to go read that one now, Dave?
It's up to you. You think it's important?
We'll never know unless. It keeps.
If it keeps coming up, then maybe.
Yeah, maybe the other gross thing that happened in this show
was the ceiling water dripping into.

(01:07:35):
Yeah, I know. 2 gross things is really reaching inside himself.
Is I was at a Mexican restaurantwith Akila like very recently
and we kept thinking we saw something from the ceiling.
Then suddenly we were looking right at the table and water
droplets are right into the salsa and we was like, it was

(01:07:58):
condensation, but it was. Disgusting.
OK, OK. And I was like, I looked at her
because she was like, that's really gross.
And I was like, well, you're theone who shoved a bunch of chip
crumbs into it and ate it with work.
So that's on you too, isn't? Like gulped it down.
That's all you, man. Yes, and with that everybody you

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us today here on this lovely little podcast thing that we
have going. Well, we'll hopefully update you
really soon on our Discord server on when we're going to
record next. There's a little thread of
conversations to keep you updated behind the scenes.
Yeah, hopefully we can do that soon.
I think the soonest we'll be able to record, it's probably
the weekend and maybe we'll bangout too and catch ourselves up,
you know? I was wondering.

(01:10:39):
They're going to play the 6th episode I think this Thursday
night, so I guess we'll see everybody, this being the third.
If we catch up with five this weekend, we'll be pretty much at
the 6th, so we can record that Monday or Tuesday, something
like that. We'll see.
It's. A lot of recording, OK.
Yeah, well, we'll see you soon. Thanks, Jason.
Take care. Have a good one.
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the end of yet another episode of Squawking Dead, This one the
third episode of Revivals inaugural season titled Reality
Check. As is often the case, as much as

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humanly possible, I like to add a little extra at the end of
every episode along with our supporter acknowledgments so you
get a little more bang for your buck.
We discussed this in our live stream conversation version of
these discussions, which by the way, this was the third episode
of Revival we covered, but we are already up to that episode 4
and five combo that we discussed.

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At the end of this episode, we have been going live to discuss
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One of the things we mentioned in that combination Episode 4
and 5 of Revival was consideringthe nature of how these episodes
are released on sci-fi versus Peacock versus
scifi.com/revival, we were toying with the idea of doing a
live watch where we would watch the episode.
All of us, including the chat, would react to what we just
watched and further breakdown the episode by doing research

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and maybe even going over everything after we've watched
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we are making that watch publicly viewable in its
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it in pieces, but adding all those pieces together make a
whole. And the second thing is that
considering all the dead air andall the research that we're
going to want to do in between, we thought it best that we
should put this in a closed session so that we cut out all
the fluff not only during, but also after.
And the end product will be something that is appreciated by

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both casual fans of our podcast and beyond and allows us to have
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And moving on to our whispers here, members, we've got at Kim
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live watch session. And the only way you'll be able

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