[The Last of SQUAWKS: E9] Look For The Light |SEASON FINALE| The Last of Us

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ER squawking to had a podcast pulverizing episodes Beyond The
Walking Dead Universe. Sometimes we give you news,
sometimes we make you laugh but most times we go deep, I'm here
to see The Cameo and I'm joined by Cosmic 09 Rachel Bert
charity, a.k.a. Blazin guarnere and Bridget,
they identified accomplished, Punky Brewster, that's pu and
KYB are Ey s ET. ER, and today we're here to talk
about the last of us is season finale.

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Episode titled, look for the light now.
Do you remember what we're supposed to talk about?
I was gonna say that you need tochange your intro little bit.
Because lately, it's been most times.
We make you laugh and sometimes we could be.
Yeah. But you need to switch that up a
little bit. We should just say nose laughs

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deep. That's it.
Moving On sometimes we bring younews, sometimes we go deep, but
most times we make you laugh. So we should switch the order
most times we make you laugh, right?
Sometimes we go deep, we don't like to go.
If you keep going deep, she might not like it.
It's a Thomas you proud of that one anyway.

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Thanks Sharon Lee for that one. Thank you very much.
Anyway, we're here to talk aboutthe episode, maybe right?
Sharon, hey maybe we might not actually I have, I have quite a
few things to say about. I am several which is not
unusual. I have If not, I've no things
lies and slander to yourself. So, first things, first, there

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is some housekeeping that we need to do, interestingly
enough, because at least for twoweeks, it was rumored that Bella
Ramsey would not show up for thesecond season and in the span of
three days. No, two days.
The news cycle said, she may show up for a second season
because we were even talking about on Sunday and we were
saying like, oh well it's so sad.
They may have to, I know why they met had to switch her out.

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Because, you know, she doesn't look like it's five years later.
Even though she is five years later.
She's 20. Yeah, but in the span of two
days, they cleaned all that up. She is going to be showing up
for the second season. Okay, so let's talk about this
episode and I want to clear it up.
Obviously, by going to the flashback first, sometimes have
to start in the beginning, make your way through it, but as I
was watching it for the second time, finally, I really got a

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chance to be with myself and with my thoughts on how really
truly special. It is that Ashley Johnson got a
birth her character and I mean I'm not a trained actor per se,
but there's something about owning that character while
you're playing it and always having a special place in your
heart. You defend the carrot.
You know, we've seen this in many interviews.
Okay, when we were interviewing Te'o and we're saying justify

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Sebastian Milton's actions on The Walking Dead and he's like,
you know, I'm gonna defend toothand nail you know, because
that's my guy, that's the guy I'm inhabiting, right?
And so it must be something special to be the person.
The basically, Ellie's Mother, Anna and birthing that character
into World. That's like it just like another
extension of the character she got to play and I listen to some
podcasts and they talked about it a lot.

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All right. She was on the Last of Us
official podcast, right? Okay.
The first thing I thought was she looks so familiar.
It's driving me insane. Who, this girl is.
Yeah, so I had to look it up if she was on Roseanne she was DJ's
little over-the-top girlfriend in in like the last couple
seasons of Roseanne and I was like, I knew I'd seen her
somewhere. I was driving me nuts, so she

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was like many Roseanne. Yes, she was.
It was like our show. Freudian.
Yeah so she was basically like Ellie.
She was like a little Ellie and training she was also in the
movie Nine Months with Hugh Grant and Julianne Moore.
She was Tom Arnold daughter. I think, oh man, dating right

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now. She had a crush on Hugh.
Grant, it was so funny. I got it.
I mean I still have a crush on Hugh Grant.
One of the things I noticed whenI was doing the re-watch today
was when she came through, the woods and came out and saw the
house it Very much was a reflection of the little boy, at
the very beginning, after the 20year time Jump boy at the very
beginning, as he walks through the woods and then opens up the

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trees and there's the qz, and then she walks through the woods
and opens up the trees, and there's the house, it was very
much the same really clever, andthat was because you did this.
What you didn't say, you watch the whole, almost the whole
thing to. Yeah, cause I left.
Yeah, I left out. Three, four and five because I
didn't have time, but I watched 126.

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Seven, eight and nine, right? So you got to, you got to get
that insight and I'm not even anything that was Major, but I
just caught a lot of things. The other thing I noticed is
she, of course, lies to Marlene and tells her that the cord was
cut before. She was bitten, she starts with
a lie, and we end with a lie because Joel lies to her.
I like tying that into also Marlene's Marlene is like, could
have been kind of like Joel had she not given Ellie away to

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fedra, but did so in order to keep her safe, this is my
theory. I'm going to stick with it, but
she does. This she does is to keep her
safe, The Cure essentially safe,maybe, I don't know.
I don't know, but she does give her away well and also probably
to make sure this kid has a lifeafter her best friend, sacrifice
her to have this baby. Well, it doesn't seem like she
really wants anything to do withEllie honestly.

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It seems like it's probably too painful to be around her.
And so I think it was more like I just can't deal with this.
I'll make sure she's alive. Make sure she's okay.
But I'm not gonna be the one to raise her.
I'm not gonna do this, right. I thought that the show did a
very good job of or let's say, even she did a really good job.
Job of making me feel sympathetic for her in a way,
even though ultimately, there issomething about her that I can't

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abide in a sense that she's so ready.
I mean, I get why she is so ready to cut down Ellie for this
cure, I get it and anybody who has like a utilitarian sense of
mind would as well, you know, the great, the needs of the many
outweigh, the needs of the few or the one, but at the same
time, there's that. And there's also showing the
struggle of that. And out of anybody, anybody on

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the show even though we don't get See all the losses, she's
endured, you have to figure thatin an effort to try to keep some
form of humanity up. But she's had to lose.
Countless, countless people on weight and she describes it to
Joel. She said we lost half our people
and of the five that were just meant to protect me.
We barely made it to this to Salt Lake City.
Barely, then you have to think of the beginning of the episode

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when they show this the flashback.
I mean, how many people of thosepeople did barely made it to the
safe house because Anna says, it's me like, as though she's
supposed to be there, she's supposed to meet up.
With other people from the fireflies or whatever for their
friends. But yeah, there's she's
encountered so many losses and it shows on her face.
She's sick of this shit. She's sick and tired of losing
people. Similarly, to Ellie by the end

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of this episode. What was all this for?
If I couldn't provide the Cure? What was all this pain and
Trauma that I endured? What was that all about?
Why did I go through all that? But Elliot's like a micro
journey and she's a kid. We feel obviously, we feel worse
when it's a kid but with Marleneit just countless 20 years worth
of lives lost for a cause just like Lee in the re-watch, I

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noticed in the episode in the mall that Riley says she was
recruited by Marlene and she asked Marlene if she could bring
Ellie with her. And of course, we know that she
knows who Elliott who Ellie is so my guess, is she just put
Ellie in the in the orphanage? Because she's like, this is my
hands are washed of this. I did what she wanted.

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I got her here, safe, she's in the safest place.
She could really be. They put Riley in the mall to
make the bombs and to you know, be a sin Tree or whatever.
So, I'm guessing they probably came looking for a Riley and
they found Riley dead and, and Ellie bitten, but then she
realized who Ellie was and realize.
Well, look this, she's got to beimmune because maybe her mom
didn't tell me the truth. So, I feel like she had washed

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her hands of Ellie, you know, when she put her in there, but
then, when Riley came back, she kind of dragged her back into
it. It's almost as though, she's not
even washing her hands of it though because just to clarify,
from sorry from charity. When you say, wash your hands of
it. Do you mean like, get rid of my
car like I did my job, right? I did my job.
She's You're safe and now she's in.
She's in fedra. I'm not going to keep tabs on
her. Anything like that.

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I did. What I was told her.
I was okay. I did what I promised I would
do. I got her safe.
Okay. Sorry.
But then through Riley she was it reintroduced to Ellie and
kind of force back into her lifethrough Riley.
Gotcha, gotcha. Sorry, Bridget.
It's okay. The interesting part about this
is Marlene is unintentionally putting Ellie into an
oppositional position from her. She's like I'm washing my hands

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clean of it. I'm going to put her in the
orphanage. We'll all of that is run by
Federer. So what is Ellie end up doing?
She ends up working her way? A up in Federate, she would have
maybe worked her way up higher. Had she not gotten bit because
she was she had bought it hook line and sinker the whole thing.
You know like what else is there?
Marlene felt that the federal would be done.
They would have overthrown him by then, okay.
This is 14 years later. Did they think it was going to

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take 20? Also, let me just say this
really quick. No wonder they weren't able to
overthrow the qz if they can allbe taken out by one fucking
dude. Oh my god, dude.
Seriously. They're the worst.
The whole you took out the whole.
Fuck. What I'm saying?
No wonder, they couldn't fuckingoverthrow fun dress.
Like look at Storm Troopers. These people are, what didn't
she said? Did Marlene say it took, I

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dropped for people with me and all of them died, right?
Yeah. Banjo suppose, all Joel doesn't
with a little girl, come on. It was all her though, you know?
But I believe it when I saw the infected attack Anna, it really
kind of reminded me how way super-powered, like, oh peed,
the infected are, then there's people and which we've seen

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also. They fucking suck.
Chuck to excuse my language but they're awful.
Raiders are probably the worst. But sorry, I don't know.
What impression will audiences are watching this show?
What, what did just happens since, when do we fucking
apologize? We've said, so much worse
things. Speaking of apologizing, you had
your hand raised, let's just keep going.

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But what you get, what did you want to say?
Let's keep going. While we were watching, I 100%
called these assholes Stormtroopers, I'm like white.
What can they, why can they not fucking like Joel's coming
around the corner? And the guy like start shooting
into the door frame, to like alert, his presence and Angela's
like, oh thank you, I didn't know you were there before pew.
Pew pew. Like what?

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I'm sure they were aiming for the doorframe last week.
Pastor, Dave was like, point blank with Ellie shooting at
her. Yeah, I still missed.
Yes, Thomas. Also I want to go back to the
beginning for a second. Maybe I missed it.
I do sometimes on First Watch as, but we don't get a whole lot
of information about the relationship between Tween
Marlene's group and Federer at that time.

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So is it possible that 14 years ago?
They still believed in Federer, maybe Marlene handed Ellie over
you know thinking okay this is this is okay there's still the
good guys or you know they're still trying to do to do good
and then it was later that she'slike oh these guys suck and we
need to rebel against them so I thought about that and basically

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you're wrong. But I usually am, it's okay.
I don't know. I'm see but here's the thing you
always come up. Something that allows me to kind
of bring up something that was like, you know, and then you can
prove me wrong. No, no.
But more to the point that like,okay, you bring up an
interesting topic that I can say.
Oh, I thought about this. What are the out here to do to
begin with, what we do know? Is she doing?
We don't know. We do, do you guys do we do

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okay, couple things and charity might know this to, I wish you
miss just get the episode, but acouple things we picked up along
the way and some of the episodeswas Federer, obviously has no
bones about population control, especially in the beginning, but
throughout their reign, on the cues he's if a baby has to be
born in the qz and It doesn't fit the allotment of rations
that they have. According to the ration cards,
well, that baby gone go. And so what we do know is that

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has happened, we don't know the degree, but she says,
specifically, we left Boston, qzto have, I don't know, to have a
baby, but like they left. Boston qz.
And then a baby is being born and then they're supposed to go
back. I'm here's my you're wrong.
I thought that they were like ona mission or something and they
were headed back to the qz. Was what?
I was my feeling on it. Well, let me, let me ask you
really big question. Why would you bring a nine month

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old? When nine months, pregnant lady
on a mission. She's Ellie's mom.
Why don't you try and stop her from doing what she fucking
wants to do? Yeah.
That was, she on her way someplace else because Marlene
literally turned around and still turn this baby.
And so if rations were an issue,would they kill the baby anyway?
They're fireflies in that was their safe house that they were
hanging out, right? Right.
But what are you gonna do? If you're a firefly, what are

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you gonna do with a fucking newborn baby?
You don't have any kind of Pediatrics support.
There's no fucking baby food. There's no one to help your On
The Run. What the fuck are you going to
do? A pediatric surgery, they're set
up in the hospital and I think that's supposed to be.
We shall talk about later. But we're what else?
What is morally going to do withthis fucking baby?
So she takes a cumulative damageand there's only one orphanage

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in the qz. So that's where she had to go.
But we know they're happy to take babies so that they can add
raw indoctrinate them while they're young.
Right? Yeah.
So you just went on with a rations.
No, no. We're talking about population
control so you're not allowed tohave a baby unless Have like a
pass or a permit to have a baby,okay, that's what I'm thinking.
The mission was she ran away. So she ran away to have your

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baby in the second turn but thenturn but Marlene turned around
and then turn the baby in any way.
Well, I mean you lost one of thepopulation, right?
So it's so it's also because mandied and they don't know where
the baby came from the grave. He doesn't have the same kind of
food. Mom does know little portions.
They could take the baby to an orphanage and tell him anything.
Their parents died, we found this baby, they would have to
smuggle her back in, because qz entry points were Wire testing

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and she would have tested positive because it's in her
blood. So they had to have, they
smuggled over which goes back tomy theory Marlene.
Well, I we don't know that she had the Cure.
Obviously, she had said, oh, like I cut the cord before I got
bit. Well, there's a lot of things we
don't know. We don't actually give a shit
either. We just know that they have

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known each other. Since they were young, we don't
know if they were friends, we don't know if they just happen
to go to school together. I could see this guy will that I
was friends. In like 8th grade but I don't
talk to him anymore. We follow each other on social
media, right? I grew up going to school with
this guy. If I saw him in the zombie
apocalypse, ended up fighting the other because, you know, him

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more, I know him more than I know my next-door neighbor
because we don't talk to that. Well, then suddenly that Bond
becomes strengthened. But it doesn't mean that that
Bond was initially there. But do you really feel that way?
We don't actually know anything about their relationship.
Well, but there's no knowing this feeling, I mean, the
emotions that we're kind of telegraph.
To cross the Anna in Marlene, how many, how many times have we

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talked about? How an apocalypse accelerates
those connections. Especially in The Walking Dead,
you live a lifetime in the span of a month.
If they've been together for since everything fell then yeah,
they're going to be super close and more so than just the random
person that you happen to survive with you're going to be
close to them to we're gonna be closer to someone you knew
before that and it's just because it's a new you they knew

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you before the fall. Yeah.
But what does that all to say, though?
Just Well I mean doesn't that that's what happened with
Michonne in Joseline. Joseline Joseline.
Okay, you know, she knew her from before.
So it was all good. She's safe.
Yeah. So I'm just, I'm just saying
that. Like, there's so much about that
flashback that we just don't know, and that's okay.
It's, it's up to you to create whatever little miniscule, you

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know, relationships and storylines that you want to in
that. But I've news for you, you're
wrong because that's the show Dave, no, suck it.
We're supposed to tell people how to feel now.
Well-known all the time. No right no, right.
Rachel looks dead in the face, you know.

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Like yeah. Anyway, she don't like it.
You know what do I do? What you need to hear.
Dave, you're wrong. You're wrong.
No, no. I know I kind of got this wrong.
This definitely agree to becausewe don't the only thing we know
for sure that happened in that flashback was that Ellie was
born and her mom. Maybe died.
Did we even see her body? Oh God dang, I think shot.

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Oh God, not this again. I didn't see a body though.
Didn't it. Did I see a body?
I still think bills gonna show up in the season premiere of
this. The second season mean we didn't
see. No, we saw them.
We didn't we see them, we do it is through the bodies.
Whoa, It's the bodies. I think I do.

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Yeah bill. Yeah, Bill Frank is if Frank is
alive. Oh God poor guy.
Frank. Frank Springs dead meat.
It's disco. Who is Alex Dad?
Good. Sometimes I was thinking about
that also but it's I that that is something that if that's
speculation land Galore but if you want to try captain Lee
Kwang, that be funny anyway, whyI was pushing her to succeed at

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Lisa just says no and she says boom, because probably
responding to some things. Oh, maybe about being me being
wrong anyway. 20, when you do, we need to go back a little bit
further. Thomas has one of these days.
Dave will finally cut his disc. Discord.
And then he spelled my name Bruce Jenner.
Did this bridge, there's a jet. Let's see, your garbage pail

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size cup of soda. That's the that's the that's the
traditional Irish spelling of your name there.
Yeah. Yeah.
The Gatling gun cut out of the Iagree.
And I don't know what that wouldhave been to at this point.
I'm sorry. Louis, sometimes, I think God to
all my insights. Obviously thank God for the
Pediatric Ward and the big sign that pointed The word role had

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to go by the way, this video comment in the video game it's
in the video game so that is that goes way back.
I mean I know we had to have time for Joel to kill a thousand
people but why would you have the surgery so far away from
where everybody else is? Okay, if you need something
that's in the Pediatric unit then fucking move that instead
of having everything you like this, I don't know.

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It was just weird like they makesense.
I'm here at the end of the second I think Rachel's going to
say what I was going to say the other operating rooms and that
hospital. There's no you just want
operators. A specific operating rooms.
It's brain surgery so that you can do brain surgery in an
operating room. Reggie here suddenly hear loud.
Sounds well, shit, I just I justcut the cord in her head.

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I don't know. I've never worked in a hospital
but I believe they neither obviously have done sir, just
like a suite of operating rooms that's all operating rooms.
There's not an operating room inthe Pediatric unit and an
operating room in the ICU unit. The operating room is down
somewhere else in there. All together, you take the
people there. I'm gonna squash this like Right
now, does it matter? I am really annoying.
I have some. Why?

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It's because they needed to set up a Punisher.
You remember, the recent Punisher with Jon Bernthal?
They had to set up Punisher in the prison, they to set up that
scene again with Joel where he'sjust like Merkin people left and
rights like the seventh season to the star, does he do?
I did like the way they shot that though with the sound muted

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and muffled And hide the pretty song with the production, exact
soundtrack. Thank God.
It went faster than the video game because that part of the
video games was on a really longtime.
Right. I think there was like a whole
Army behind them, right? And I'm actually so, but no, it
was also a good opportunity in the beginning as he's going to
the theater, the operating theater.
You had said the elly-phant, right?

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The little mural of not mural, but like paintings of zoo
animals, the monkeys, which another callback to.
I think I bet it was monkeys butstarted the pandemic, right?
But the monkeys were all doing this scene.
Evil hear, no evil speak, no evil.
You couldn't make it out at first, but when I had a little
bit bigger on my computer screen, I'm sorry was computers
bigger than Thomas TV. I don't think.

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So, there was also a polar bear,so I guess that meant they were
on fucked in Lost Island. Yeah, yeah, a little nod to
Lost, why not what's wrong with that shit?
Okay, the polar distance. Okay.
How could you miss anything on the first watch with Dave being
so quiet? Wyatt to be fair.

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You guys are answering me judge and we were all pretty excited
to be together. I can't say shit because I talk
through first watches to, you can ask Sharon D.
I talk. I'm making commentary.
Did you just roll your eyes? Did you just rub them?
That's why I watch them first because I'm going to talk.
Walk Sunburst. Yeah, they do.

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I'm just as bad as Rachel. We're just going back and forth.
Like furry furry, one of those things but furry Furbies first
Excuse me. Whoa, a deep-sea one can
fashion. You can't believe.
It is very fuzzy of almost. Like, wouldn't it be Rachel and
me? That would be furries.
I love your head. I mean, it's just a little furry
weeks there has his arm. Obviously.

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Yeah, look at this thing. Let's discuss.
Why Dave, that's why Dave professes to not like animals.
He's trying to hide the deeper secret life.
I'm the real animal, it's because he's a wolf.
You did hear my confession. That's okay.
It's okay to love your pet. Let's just don't love your kids.
We had like a whole conversation, the car about how

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I hate that people have City Pets sometimes because this is I
feel bad for the pets. Oh, that's where, you know what
I mean, and it just being Excel.So it's not the animals that
David hates. Is there.
People that it's these people that?
Yeah, it's the owners that allowtheir asshole pets to be
assholes that in like to not care for feel about children.

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I was gonna say it translates over to kids, too.
Absolutely. That's the other things.
You know how I don't want to have kids and so like when you
treat your pets like I'm sorry I'm attacking most of you, I'm
so sorry, really? I am this is where we're going
to draw the line haul when you treat your Jane Doe.
No. But you might agree with me on
this but like when you treat them like babies you know.
I don't do that gross. There you go.
So there's a difference and calling them your children.

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No, that's no hard. Hard, hard.
Re-shared, EI maybe, I'm sorry Icall them my fur babies for
babies. There's a difference.
There are my fear, not Flesh. Child.
I don't put their health services.
This is to say, this is my daughter in Jay, my daughter,
Sarah. These are my fur babies.
Now though, I don't call him my kids, although on a drunk night

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you might and I'd be okay with that.
See the thing is I know you. So you kind of excluded under
the under the wire so you could get away with it.
Like if I don't know you I'll judge you immediately.
There's there's comments, aren'tthat?
You want to read them? Okay.
Yeah. So hazards emo band.
Flush flush. Lot of children.

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She said it and you guys just blew past it.
And I was happening here. Like you have to, you have to
specify because they being a robot would not have flesh
children. Say Yes, actually, I wouldn't
even have a computer copies of my baby have little baby.
Give you like a little baby Bender with a little bottle of
not even for the world is not ready.

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There is a microchip on screen and he's like, look what I had
kind of a clone of me microchip.I can hook it up to a screen TV.
He said Furbies, right? But now you have it in your
head. The way Rachel.
And I sound when we were watching TV, it's like, oh,

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you're just sitting there going like, dude.
It was just an incomparably. I'll join in our awkward.
He was not Thomas is like, shut the fuck up before I punch you,
both in the throat. So, speaking of Anna, after the
baby's born in Marlene's walkingin, she's actually singing to

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Ellie the sun, always shines on TV by aha.
I don't know if you caught that I did you.
Okay, the significance of that is actually twofold one.
It's aha. We heard that in Left Behind the
episode 2 episodes prior second is that it's actually, Lee.
Not just a spiritual sequel to take on me.
When you watch the music videos back-to-back one is like a

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sequel of the other. So when the sun always shines on
TV starts, it's like the end credits.
For the first video for Take On Me.
And what it's supposed to conveyis, basically the way obviously
TV distorts, our own reality, wealways think things are always
going to work out and things always work out on TV, and it
makes us delusional about our own lives.

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How we look at our lives and we think everything's great.
You know, watch TV again. But when we watch TV, we think,
at the very least that Comforts us oh, ignore my life.
Exactly, right. That's the sort of the point and
then when you finally take a look at your life, you don't
want to. Right?
Let's go back to TV, right? So, which is why she's live TV

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world. I'm just kidding.
I just try to equate my life with what's going on in TV.
Like, this is a parallel to my life is that way I'm living in
fantasy all the time. Quite exactly.
Than real life. Well, in terms of the show
though, what do you think that that specific song is saying
about the show? Well, it's 80s.
Dave 80s means trouble. But is it more the thing?

(25:13):
But like the expectation that I'm going to have this kid and
everything's going to be great or is it also like maybe things
don't always work out the way weplanned on it too Ellie wanted
to go in for the Cure to do the thing that she thought was going
to be her purpose to save Humanity.
The thing we were saying every episode, right?
And didn't work out quite the way, she had wanted it to Right

(25:34):
guys. Yes, I'm sorry.
But if said they heard during out and you didn't laugh, she
just couldn't handle it, LEL he's going for the Cure.
Like she's gonna do a fucking concert.
She's really into Robert Smith Dave I don't get it.

(25:57):
The Cure you just blew past it was it was it was so funny.
I know there's a specific reasonwhy I didn't really think about
it because I was trying to make a point point.
You just like we make that interested.
I'm not sure what lowest lowest said.
So are you saying she knew she was gonna die okay?
That was the point I wanted to bring up after going back and

(26:19):
doing my re-watch today. Yes, I think Ellie already knew
she was gonna die. I think after she tried rubbing
her blood on to Sam, and it didn't work that she knew that
she was going to have to. And then they're, like I said, I
saw all kinds of little foreshadowing things, I was
watching today. Okay, at the beginning of this
episode, she's still so down andshe's so depressed.
And she's so quiet trauma. Smallest, this has got to be a

(26:41):
couple of months later because everything is spraying they were
in deep fucking winter. And now it's springtime and I
looked it on the I looked at it on the map.
Salt Lake City is Northwest of Boulder and Denver where they
were so they did, they went backto Northwest.
So they really hold a couple of months to this has been a couple
of months, at least kids are resilient, man.

(27:02):
She would not still be that. Rest and upset.
And so quiet over that she wouldbounce back.
I'm not discounting anybody's trauma.
I'm just saying she's young, she's resilient.
She has other. She's bounced back from Riley
really quick. She bounced back from test
really quick. I feel like she wouldn't still
be depressed over that. But the closer they get to the
city, to quieter, she gets. And I think it's because she
knows when she gets there that she's gonna have to die in order

(27:24):
to make the Cure. Mmm.
And there's a whole bunch of little just little things
throughout the show. Especially after Sam, that make
me really even. That even more, I can see how
she might think that. I mean, we had a whole
discussion about this in the caras well.
That's not how vaccines work. That's not how that works.
She would not have to die usually rent, even if she rubbed

(27:46):
her blood on someone and it didn't work.
Even if the Cure came from blood, you think they're not
gonna spin it separated, do something to it.
They're not just going to take her blood and injected into
somebody else and then that's the cure.
There's got to be more to it. So as a kid, I can see how she
might think that especially Ali a kid but that's access to any
kind of education because there's no internet.

(28:08):
There's no encyclopedias there were they teaching the school?
They're not teaching them, that shit, you know.
So like what the fuck is she know for?
Well, let me start with the sweet before I go to the shower.
You got me to think of somethingthat I hadn't thought of, I'd
attributed her mood in the beginning of the episode, to the
trauma that we experienced in the last episode.
Which I mean, that's for us really rather than for her.
But then you kind of explained. Yeah, significant amount of time

(28:29):
has passed. Why she feeling this way?
I didn't think about that. Of course, we didn't.
We just Last episode, we're traveling really far distances
in short periods of time for us.So thank you.
So thank you for that. And I'll go back to that, but
why I don't feel that way is that she says in the episode she
says, I'll follow you were awareever you go.
When this is all over, that was something else.
And but she said in the moon, like you're not going to go to.

(28:51):
Like I feel like she was like, no matter where we go.
Even if I'm dead, I'll go wherever you go.
Okay. I don't, I think that was
something else. That was another thing that
stood out to me. So wait, so wait, this is, this
is great. So I could interpret it two ways
and I'm I'm totally fine with itright.
One le2 lies to Joel. Right.
She knows that she's going to have died.
Right? Are you making fun of my fingers

(29:13):
are pointing at now? No.
My finger, we might have to loanguys, on the one hand le2 could

(29:35):
be making could be lying, right?She thinks there's a future or
she's made trying to get Jill tobelieve that there's a future in
like you said, but she knows she's gonna have to die, but the
other way could be just. Yeah.
I mean she assumes that there isa future to be had.
And so I'm and I'm you know whatyou've got me on the line where
I assume that she thought there was a tomorrow, but now I feel
like yeah, it could go either way.
Well, the other thing is after so many people have died for

(29:57):
her, you know like Tess Riley didn't necessarily die for her
but she feels responsible for itwhat she feels like there has to
be a payoff for all this suffering, right?
Her death would be repayment forall those people that died for
her grandma and she feels shouldbe saving the essentially, the
world in the new be all worth it, you know right.
She's yeah she's another point where it the no education Parts

(30:23):
because first of all she just agrees.
Yeah sure go ahead and put me tosleep and blah blah blah.
But there's no guarantee they the doctor thinks this might
work, right? There is no guarantee this is
gonna work. Yes, there's yes.
Yeah, these doctors you don't know these fucking doctors,
these are people, you don't evenknow.
You're just taking their word for it.
But this comes from Youth and inexperience even though she's

(30:45):
experienced a lot, you know, it's like ingrained in people to
trust doctors. Do these doctors know what
they're doing, but you don't have the experience to know that
you need to ask these questions or say no I'm not going to do
this or no. Let me see Joel first right.
You know nah. They would listen to her, they'd
probably like now we're going tofucking kill you anyway, but
what kind of doctor is just automatically go into and into
the brain without test doing allkinds of tests?

(31:07):
And like, oh, we think this is gonna work.
So let's just cut into her. And we all trained surgeons that
are left this far into the apocalypse.
There's also like, we don't knowhow long, just Veterinary Joel.
We also don't know how long, howlong Joel has been out, too.
By the way, like, how long he's been knocked out?
We don't know if he's completelyconcussed, and they have to work
on him for a little while. So maybe they ran all the

(31:28):
Testing like okay I guess we gotto do this thing because let's
get this cure ready. It also goes to maybe.
Ellie State of Mind where she's like can we just get this thing
done? Because we have to assume.
Well actually maybe this is a good question to ask, is that
also to say, that Ellie knew what was going to happen to her
that she was briefed and even Marlene kind of says it at the
end, this is what Elly wants. She Marlene says, they didn't

(31:49):
tell her anything. She went under happy, thinking
she was up, stay didn't tell heranything that they were gonna
fucking cut into a brain. And killer that was like the
mercy that they were giving her,that made me mad.
It makes me think of a little kid at the beginning where they
don't tell the little kid. A we're going to fucking kill
you were going to give you toys and food and you close it.
It was just a bad as fedra. Yeah.

(32:10):
Yep. What do you say?
Well, just flies. They are Firefly people.
I guess, I should say. I'm not saying she knows, she
knew she was gonna die. That she knew she was going to
have to be killed for it, but I feel like she knew that was a
possibility and as they got closer to the town, she got

(32:31):
quieter and quieter. Oh, that's the point.
I wanted to go back to because you really let me up just there
just like a kid going to the doctor.
Maybe there's a little of that going on to how scared somebody
is to go through all these testsand maybe she's not been
examined by a doctor to this degree before.
Definitely she's never been tested obviously in all these
years because she would have been caught it's plausible to

(32:51):
believe that she's never really seen a doctor at all ever,
except maybe like routine procedures, like BP, and all
that stuff and just height. Still short, right Thomas.
There's also like the possibility, a will this even
cure anybody? And there's also there's been
all this time and travels and Trauma and pain and people dying
leading up to this. Well, what happens to my life
afterwards? It may be that little small

(33:13):
sinking feeling but as much as Joel and she is gone through and
that maybe he thinks even just alittle bit that she still cargo
just a little bit. You know, how some people have
stupid thoughts. Like like they're afraid,
they'll be like that. They're afraid of what they
don't need laughing because yes every thought I have a stupid.
Well but yeah, but that specificthought of like maybe he maybe I

(33:34):
don't mean as much to him is he means to me and maybe when this
is all over, what's going to happen to us?
Obviously they're closer but it's not until here that we
actually see him opening up because maybe he sees that she's
scared and maybe he's trying to lift her spirits and as they get
closer and he's trying even harder like Bridget says like
reaches an apex near. The end where he's like being
all to her knowledge is she's being so crazy.

(33:56):
He's rambling on and on about his And she's not saying
anything unhand makes me was thetermite.
Here's I don't agree because I get that feeling but see
obviously what I'm trying to talk.
You guys are doing some weird shit.
Nothing to me, and then you become a unhinge Dave.
It's what? Everybody's.
So, I mean, everybody's entertained by this and then

(34:17):
you're gonna cut halves, or laughing, we've done or side and
because of all the Laughing. Anyways, his look like robots,
just Like him. He puts the show and he calls it
the squawking. Dave.
It's just it's just him talking,we're all sitting here by it.
What what if I did do that? We released our podcast in

(34:41):
parallel, you know what I shoulddo.
Okay serious, but not serious obstacles.
They April Fool's contest. We have a whole side podcast
where I take all the edited edited Parts out.
It's all the crunchy noises in the eun's the clinics and all
this stuff I chose. Take out, it's actually funny
and that's just a whole other podcast.

(35:02):
It runs a and people are like, Idon't know what this podcast is
about, but it's squawking. Okay, it's like awesome r+.
You know how like candy companies do like oops, bags of
like shit. Like this Sheamus party.
This is the oops podcast. All the shit.
You cut out gets its own podcast.

(35:24):
I'd like those, I bet we'd get higher ratings, guys.
You have no idea of it. Kind of crazy brain thoughts
because I'm here editing, right?And sometimes I have to edit out
some crazy crazy shit, right? I had this fantasy once of just
like, okay guys, so here's what I edited out, enjoy.
This is what you guys do plus mea little bit because I'm
obviously perfect clear. I've had that thought for five

(35:49):
years, it's just a few. This is what you do to me.
That's but see what You Know What Love Is.
Love is never having to do that.I love you guys.
Too much. They just said he cuts out
everything. No, no McLean.
Try to make this. Oh, you want to know what I cut
out. Mostly wait, hold on.
This is, it's me. Sharon tea.

(36:10):
It's me. This is her table.
Dennis is like TV and then there's Rachel Don't forget, it
happens, rarely. And then there's Britt.
This is gonna get kind of Bridget wait.

(36:34):
I don't want to know. I can't do it anymore.
No, not really no occasionally. There is a point I can't, I
just, I can't. Sometimes it's like, oh my gosh.

(37:04):
Okay. No, there's a reason why it
doesn't happen anymore grunts. Don't ever swallow on the guy.
Doesn't want an occasionally. Would you laughs?
I'm not even when you're laughs.You hit the table and it sounds

(37:28):
like a bomb went off. At least to me anyway.
Sorry guys I'm so sorry. Is it was funny.
It is funny apologize. You're funny, you're funny ours,
nobody but we really, really need to give back.
I told you most times we make you laugh and sometimes you go
deep. Sometimes we talk about the

(37:48):
show, this is why we don't live stream anymore.
By the way, we love that historyof the reason.
One quick, little thing I was watching the episode where
they're in the mall and I we hadtalked about stores that were in
the mall. There was one that I missed,
which is probably the most important one that I should have
seen, and that is happening withremembered.
Things remembered. I had that thought, but I didn't

(38:10):
know what that was. Oh, what isn't it?
Dave, we had one my novelty of anovelty store.
You can get anything engraved. Yeah, that's what it was in my
mouth. Oh my God guys, I should have
remembered that one because. Okay, let me tell you how I
should have remembered that one,our first anniversary of Evelyn
and I being together not married, but our first date of

(38:31):
versary. I gave her an engraved picture
frame of she and I on vacation. In the Bahamas.
I should have remembered that. That's why I was like, what is
that? What is that?
Yeah, I know that. Thank you.
It's called dream of a memory. Yeah, the own grandchild.
Remember that? When that didn't work on me,
obviously it went the way sign of the Apocalypse.
Thanks for God. Okay?

(38:54):
It's where they stand out your own greatness.
Who were they take out your significant other from the
photo, the Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless.
The spot was remembered. Look at tattoo.
You have to grind it if the laser D and Grave it.

(39:18):
Oh my god. When I forget your loved ones,
it's called Photoshop. So it's just like lasered out in
a square like we're right because you can nowadays you
could easily digitally remove people from photos but like of
course you go to a mall to get that done poorly.
Yeah, right. Oh, really.
That? That I do you.
Okay, we do have things D engraved.

(39:41):
All this for, like, who wants toread comments because I its way.
Scrolled past me for the most part people disagree with you.
David pets are like, children. Go to hell.

(40:05):
Children are children. And then there was something the
matter. There's some flesh children
jokes dude, Tom's gonna go watchflush children of a Lesser God
or maybe he'll watch flesh Children of the Corn.
Are you drinking Four Lokos going to leave to go hang out
with her flesh. Child.
Great seeing us. Goodbye.

(40:25):
Heather. Enjoy your flesh children.
Nobody's gonna go watch problem,flesh kids.
What about the good flesh, son? No.
Yeah, Tom's gonna watch the Karate flesh kid.
Okay, to Cairo makes a point to tell us that most times in

(40:46):
movies are shows where there's acure needed, someone has to die
to get it. So yes, I can definitely agree
that she was feeling like she was going to die.
That's why she knew. Joel had killed everyone to Kara
tells us. Ellie's always been quick witted
and smart so I figured she couldread into that if she thinks
hard enough about the situation.So yeah reality sort of sunk in
the oh sir, they were getting tothe end game here.

(41:08):
It's scary. And what comes after, right?
What does my life look like after the Cure?
Where's having some skiers silhouette and a bike basket,
flying in front of the moon? Will you be the one pedaling,
the bike? That would be cute, wouldn't it?
No. They've covered in a blanket.
Big old Thomas on a be a BMX bike.
I think we should do this. We should do this at the camp.

(41:32):
Anyway, let's keep going. Yeah, Thomas also says my
favorite flesh host. So Oh yeah, you're my favorite.
Why didn't you read that? That was like, golden gun down
that far yet like sing it like the word flash like it.
It's too juicy. Squawking flesh.
Well let's let's go. Let's keep going though too.

(41:53):
Because it's the giraffe that kind of perks, her up continuing
this long and I know it was explained in The Insider of the
episode ER Insider that it dovetails really nicely to what
I said a little bit before whichwas what comes after.
Her stuff like this. There's more to see Ellie
there's more to do and so I thought that was a nice,
beautiful thing, a beautiful moment but what I wasn't looking
at was Ellie as much as I was looking at Joel that sign of

(42:16):
relief that everything's going to be.
Okay, I do that with you guys. Sometimes I go like when I'm
trying to make a point and it's not landing and all of a sudden
you start laughing and then I start to smile and go,
everything's going to be okay. And then they rely realize
you're not laughing at me, laughing at something Thomas, I
just actually it was This time. Yeah, okay.

(42:38):
Lois said, but can Dave reach the pedals?
That's why Thomas has been employed as the Ellie was like
Elliott as the eliott Rodriguez do we in fact, Thomas might be a
little bit too big for a kid's BMX, so it's just age before
Beauty, but, and of course, the Callback.
They almost word for word, not word for word, but call back
from episode 2, as they're watching, the drafts from a

(43:00):
different distance. It was the same as the Capitol
Building can't deny that view, literally Joel asking Ellie and
Ellie respond. In the same way, the name of the
baseball field was Bethany, Claire field.
And that was named after the wife of the guy who designs that
location in the game. Oh, that's cool.
I love that. No one fictional locations named
after people in this show, that's the woman she had to be

(43:22):
away from while he was. Designing, that baseball feeling
because you don't know the game industry which by the way we had
mentioned this, basically, when we first started podcasting and
that is, of course, part one of the video game has dropped.
On PS5. That's not what we reported.
Most of you don't have P S5s. What we reported was that the
game is already available via steam as of two episodes ago.

(43:46):
So if you don't have a PS5, download The Last of Us Part 1
on Steam, it is the remastered version.
You folks playing on PS4? I don't even have that.
I do. Oh you're everyone.
No I'm just saying like PS4 is apretty common game console what
I mean but you know how it is. Oh most people have something
and then they don't. Have it in, and then there is

(44:07):
the alternative. Wait, I mean, Steve, you can get
Steam on a lot of things. You can get both of the games,
PS4, that's what I'm saying. Nobody has to have PS5 money,
that's expensive and I mention that this episode was
essentially a shot-for-shot remake of the video game.
Just yeah. Nice little bits and pieces that
were different. But the dialogue is really the

(44:28):
same, the conversation and jewels out to the end, to trying
to shoot himself and everything that I think was extra, right?
Yeah, that I So that I don't recall but maybe it was.
I don't know. I don't remember.
It's a lot of gameplay and I didn't do it.
I just was watching it because I'm still not at this part in
the game because I don't have time.
But when we focus on that for a second though, two years to play

(44:50):
part 2 as opposed to two weeks or what not.
But let's focus on that one. Bit where Joel finally reveals,
just like Ellie finally reveals Ellie reveals her first kill,
Joel reveals, that that scar wasfrom when he tried to kill
himself, which is something ThatEllie brought up in episode, 3,
long, long time at the beginningand Joel tries to bring up.

(45:11):
She says, I killed someone to. I lost someone too and she
brings us up in episode 4. Please, hold onto my hand and
it's kind of interesting to where Joel brings this up.
Finally, to explain to her and maybe this is to soothe her
nerves that. I'm in this for the Long Haul.
I'm not trying to appease you for now just to get rid of you
later, you cured, oh, I shouldn't use that word ever

(45:33):
again. And as long as it's not duck,
Are you healed me? It wasn't time.
I'm in this for the Long Haul and so Ellie maybe brings us up
at the end to say Joel. I'm not going anywhere, tell me
the truth and maybe that's what might make everything worse.
The fact that he still lied. Even after she said what she
said about Riley at the end, I still don't have a fully-formed

(45:55):
thought as to how these connect precisely, obviously Riley's.
I mean, will say the love of herlife at that point in time in
her life or early life or shouldknow any better?
I don't know. Maybe they are the, I don't
know. Oh, and that happened and it was
terrible and it was tragic on multiple levels.
But you just think of what beinga teenager and being in love is
like I didn't want to diminish it but I also full it is and how

(46:17):
The Break-Up is bad enough. It's the end of your life.
As you know it because your hormonal and you don't know any
different because pain is relative and you're not far
enough into life to know that there may be things that are
worse or different kinds of painand or maybe it wasn't as bad as
you thought that person also. Right?
Right. Okay.
You asked about that and then you were asking about, are you

(46:38):
asking about Joel's reveal of how he tried to kill himself?
How does that line up because, Imean, they're both revealing
this big-ass truths. It's not so much a juxtaposition
as it is him attempting to relate to her.
She just went through. Something really hard.
It's before she owns up to the thing with Riley, but she's gone
through the thing with Riley. She's gone through this whole
trip where it has died. Sam has died.

(47:00):
Henry's died. 100 killed himselfin front of them.
Bill has died. She didn't know him, but you go
to save this. Or help them and then they're
dead. She's seen a lot of loss.
And then she is kidnapped and essentially tormented by a real
creep and almost raped. If there had been more build to
that though, I think maybe it would have sold the, her being

(47:20):
upset for a long period of time.Like if I'm arguing like the
opposite of what charity was saying that it wasn't her
knowing that she's gonna die or it wasn't a fear of not knowing
what happens after your purpose is completed or whatever.
Let's say it's about the actual event.
There's A Hard Sell Because it went too quickly.
Episode wise, in my opinion. Yeah, I'm not saying she would
have been over it. No, you don't just get over that

(47:43):
stuff. But within a couple months, you
bounced back a little, you're capable of putting the mask back
on Ellie's not the person to stay upset and depressed.
Otherwise, she would just be like that her entire life.
She would have been like that after Riley.
Kids are resilient, they bounce back, you can't keep him down
forever. She's gonna be laughing at jokes
and it's all that mask building,right?
Like we all do the same thing. We hide behind humor because

(48:05):
that makes it easier. ER if I can joke about it or
talk about it openly and make a joke about myself or be
self-deprecating or whatever, I can deal with it more it makes
it easier and that's very much within Ellie's personality type
because that's the kind of goofysilly Ellie.
We've seen, we don't get that here.
Clearly, it's Joel trying to more connect with her.

(48:25):
I think then there is any sort of juxtaposition.
I think it's almost a parallel instead or Nutella.
Yeah, kind of like, what we're seeing the reaction video.
This is kind of like a like a role reversal.
Joel is trying to Under skin trying to get her to perk up.
Why don't you love me? Kelly did the beginning, which
is also narratively works reallywell to see the shoe on the
other foot, I can write this offin two ways.

(48:47):
One, the easier way is to say what Mason says in the episode
or Insider, which is kind of like, well, yeah, what time does
and he was referring to Joel at the time, but this can also
apply to Ellie. What time does is it makes the
pain Fade Into the background sort of Innocence, but it's
always there. It's always accessible when
something triggers it. Or when you least expect.
Fact it or suspect it, but the other way we can write it off,

(49:09):
isn't it? Like this series in a sense were
feelings and events. Kind of goes to the song, The
Sun, always shines on TV things.Don't always turn out the way.
We expect our emotions, don't come in a formula package all
the time and they don't always come when we want them to and we
don't always feel better when we're supposed to isn't it?
That way isn't life that way, life is kind of messy.

(49:30):
I'm even this ending. There's that part of you that
little. Hello, I'm here.
That part of you that thinks that maybe what Joel did.
Wrong in a sense. Well, there's getting Ellie and
taking her out. And even Marlene offered Joel a
piecemeal of hey take him outside.
Give him this knife and leave him on his merry way.
But Joel robotically, like Dave murdered almost everybody in

(49:51):
that building. Now I wouldn't do that but just
saying we're both robots. So me and Joe the same.
And so he like murdered everybody in that building and
so it's best people who live in your building know about that,
tell them I tell them in our way.
Weekly newsletters, you are all dead meat.
I am the David from the last episode.

(50:13):
I mean, come meet the dead squawking me-80, right?
Me-80 the dead as long as they as long as they shoot all around
you and alert you to their presence and give you ample time
to aim and purpose. They're terrible shots.
You live in a building full of storm.
All anti-gun, liberals on Jimmy.That's getting edited out,

(50:38):
definitely. Actually the guy that would find
it funny that might listen to the podcast, might think that's
funny. Actually but why is the phrase
dead meat? Like get to me now it's like so
dated. As we kept saying Kid Flash,
maybe they don't care well with children.
No I ain't eating children, I picture like Sean Astin as a kid

(50:59):
saying it to me in this motion right where your hands.
Yes. Yes, your fist is hitting your
hand right? Yes daddy 15 out of one of these
at the jungle gym. Yeah, exactly.
The what are your index fingers cutting the audio podcast and
it's when you're touching. So sorry you have to talk to me

(51:21):
like this index fingers. Couldn't you'll never know what
we were doing is just stirring stirring from left to right
slowly across the throat with your index finger.
I gotta do it. I gotta do God's work here, man.
Robots got to do God's work, very pop.
Work robots. Have a guide.

(51:45):
Yeah. Under kiss my shiny metal.
But anyway, so I mean, I wrote this down.
It's worth mentioning. Maybe we could talk about it.
And this is why I feel so bad. For Marlene Marlene yet again,

(52:06):
has to rip Ellie away from another parent and she knows it.
This guy's got feelings, what? I'm gonna stop you right there.
She has to, rip LEL way from another parent.
Her mom was dead, not saying Rick Pearl against also handed
her. She also handed her over.
I don't recall the baby. What I'm saying is she has to

(52:28):
take a child away, from a motherchild should be with her mother.
This time you just called Joel amother.
They stop being so heteronormative.
So there says the robot. Clearly a daddy.
You know. Joel is short for Jolene.

(52:51):
No, Joel is Joel. It's the realest identified was
that mommy? Mommy is clearly.
I don't know, I can't even lie with this kid even but again a
parent as what I said. First, you see it in her face.
It's like oh dude's got feels and she didn't expect that cargo
remember the first episode throwing led to the floor and

(53:11):
kicking the switchblade away andthen giving this very same
switchblade, back to him as likea parting piece Meal.
Look, thank you for delivering Ellie.
We don't want to kill you. Get the hell out of here.
Thank you for delivering the beef to the door.
Right? Just call him Omaha Steaks
because like Kardashian took should have taken a picture when
he got there, right? Exactly, please, don't hand me,

(53:32):
the Every what added to that, because I was writing all this
down that switchblade has traveled, not only to Joel, not
only to Ellie, but it was Anna'sswitchblade to the very
switchblade. They give Joel.
Hey, let's beat you over the head.
With this metaphor of me, takingaway this child from you again,
please take my child and then there's, please don't take my
child. There's no reason for you to do
this. Obviously there is to try to

(53:52):
save the world but when I kids your world, really think Marlene
was gonna let Joel goal. She even told the guys and I was
like, if he blinks shoot him, no, you know how?
I know there's still time to Turn it around at the end.
Do you think she was should be so stupid as to put her her gun
down? But see that goes to show how
near the end even she goes, we can still turn this ship around,

(54:12):
we can still work on this cure, I don't know, maybe she was
committing suicide. What do you think she puts her
gun to the side is if Joel who just murdered tens of thousands
of people? Does that go to the fact that
she wants to? Well let's in the games at least
I mean who's the real? Who's the real fungus?
Wait, I wrote this down the Firefly.
Lies are in an infection to Sharon D.

(54:35):
And I said, in a way ideology isunrelenting and persists in
wants to spread that's why Marlene can't see the forest for
the trees at the end after Joel kills everybody in that building
almost. And then she still does this
stupid thing that nobody does inthe apocalypse that we've seen
in every single episode and doesn't trust anybody.
She trusts Joel enough to say, hey we can do it for ideologies,
instructing her to do stupid things, your Genius, Sharon T,

(54:59):
just because I'm a genius to wait.
She never doubted that crazy though.
It makes her do stupid things. I insist you show my picture
Dave so far the audio podcast because we have to do this.
It is the very picture of Thomasas Elliot from the movie e.t.

(55:20):
with his face on a very big headon and my very big head as e.t.
in the basket in the front and it's just absolute perfect.
And you can t really good obvious.
See also going socials like please.
If you listen to the audio podcast, you can see a picture
this picture in the blog becauseit definitely will make it.
So go, this needs to be front and center on the Instagram page

(55:44):
that almost killed me. I just choked.
I'm a for the audio podcast withthe ETD music, too.
Didn't it in, in in in in in anyway the giraffe scene also made
me think of Jurassic Park, the original Jurassic Park with this
evening, the big brontosaurus atthe As I said, the same thing, I

(56:04):
think you did in the reaction video, I didn't just started.
You didn't know, I know I meant while we were watching the
rocket part of, this is even tries hard times right now and
elly-phant Jurassic Park. In elephant.
I kept waiting for the draft to sneeze on them.
Yeah. Do they do that?
I think that's more like llamas,isn't it?

(56:24):
Well, it happened. It happened in Jurassic Park.
Watching the zefrank video aboutgiraffes with his tongue.
Stuck out. I kept thinking about that
video. We watched the zefrank video,
I'm gonna tell they smell their toys.
No, that's a snake. I mean, it's not here to write.
Snake smells of its tongue, it'sgonna get us anywhere.

(56:48):
Very close. They're very close.
I'm wrong. I just got it out.
I just cut it out. Take Naked Elephants are very
close together. Let's take that out too.
All that's left is like a five minute clip.
Is this? The whole podcast, we take all

(57:09):
the laughter and joy out of it. No, no just like these shows due
to our lives. No shit.
Many people think that LE silence at the end means that
she knows that Joel is lying andeverybody and their mother
including Bella Ramsey is sayingthat the same thing as well.

(57:30):
First of all, do you all agree? Yes, yes, I don't know.
I don't know if she if she knows, he's lying.
She might think something is up?Because he's acting really
weird, but it's Sarah door. She's better than you in a lot
of ways, but it's cool. She's like babbling, just not to

(57:52):
say a really big, but she would have liked how funny you were no
offense. No offense, no offense, no
offense. Easy.
It's so funny because in the video game, the lines are the
same. So it really the delivery is
100% different. Troy Baker, delivers them more
like deadpan, because that's howJoel is in the game.
Doesn't show a lot of emotion and I like, Pedro's, well, I

(58:15):
like him for different reasons because Pedro, Pascal's is like
so unhinged and Eyes get bigger.He's like and he starts talking
faster because he's just crazy. I love it.
And so they're both good for their own reason because Troy's
is like a little more, like he'sjust chatting, he's just trying
to fill the space with conversation, whereas can't Joel

(58:39):
in the TV show is just like, don't be mad at me, right?
Which I prefer because out of me, it triggers me because I
feel nervous like this too. When people don't respond to
some of of the things I say, it makes me want to talk more and
like fill the silence and like, right, like I'm doing now, make
a compilation video of you doingthis during the broadcast know
that that I you know unhinged a if it will be 9:00 long like

(59:05):
most of our podcast 35 minutes is greater than 3 hours Thomas
so well the easy answer to that is obviously she knows Joe's
lying to me but I And to think that we can look at it a
different way to imagine. You went through all this pain,
all this trauma. You saw people die test, Sam

(59:28):
Henry, Riley. All these people that were
sacrificed to get you to where you're supposed to go.
When you got there. Let's pretend, let's use this as
an example. Whether you believe it or not,
she gets there. She's feeling kind of nervous.
My purpose is coming up. My moment is coming.
I'm nervous. I can't thinking about this and
Joel's trying to cheer me up with Boggle and all this stuff,
and Beefaroni, you like people Roni, right, right, right.

(59:50):
Okay. That moment is simply possibly
want with my eyes. Are there boggling, digging out
of my head? It's really big in Texas.
Might, my neighbor Peggy used toplay Super Mario Brothers movie,
Ghostbusters. Damn, it really Ghostbusters 2,

(01:00:13):
actually? I think it.
Yeah, when Lewis is going out, and yeah, they can.
Anyway, yeah. So we're damn disappointments.
What kind of Pop Culture? Oh sorry.
So imagine if you will that Joelsays, you're not that special.
First of all, he said, in a different way, you are a dime, a

(01:00:33):
dozen, or does ends maybe a Baker's, a gross, if you will,
and he said, even despite that, there is no cure and all of that
pain was for nothing. How would you feel?
I brought the room down. That's what I do know.
You'd feel great right, bro. I'm happy to be alive.

(01:00:53):
No, I don't think she is. I get that, I get that.
Well on, you have to account forlike, Moby, teenage feelings,
right? I would feel that way as a 44
year old. I was meant to have this thing
to be this one person. I mean, we talked about it
before about Joel having purpose, you know.
First it was Sarah and okay. Ellie doesn't have a purpose
anymore but she does, there's always a purpose.

(01:01:14):
You want to save the world go and fucking do something good.
You want to make up for all the bad shit you've done.
Go. Do something fucking good.
Go back to Jackson and help themdo something good.
Right well let's first say to Kira they take a potato.
Thanks to Kira. Appreciate you.
Take Cara. Joel has a purpose to it.
His purpose is Ellie at least purpose was to save the world.
Joel's purposes to save Ellie whose purpose is going to win

(01:01:37):
out and Ellie's purpose Ellie I'm sorry but you have no
fucking idea if that even would have worked, you're sacrificing
yourself for a something that might work.
We just talked about a little while ago.
About do you know who the fuck are these?
Doctors know you. You're just putting your lives
in their hands for a possibilitythat you might do something
good. Why don't you stay alive and go
back and help. Keep Jackson alive and have
babies and repopulate the fucking Earth.

(01:01:59):
Well, maybe you can pass along through your genetics.
Maybe you can pass that along toyour children.
Mmm, of course, she's a kid kidshave the are notorious for
thinking and Bridget touched on this earlier that break up that
love of my life. That was the worst thing that
ever happened to me until the next thing that actually hurt
more down the line, maybe a yearlater that guy was the love of

(01:02:20):
My life or that girl was the love of my life and so, she
can't think that far ahead. She is just devastated from the
jump, she's just coming out of this thing but literally she's
coming out of anesthesia. She's like oh what?
It didn't work. I'm not special.
All of this was for nothing and I would be stuck on that for a
while. What is left of me and what all
the shit that I went through? It was all for nothing.

(01:02:40):
Do I even deserve to live side all over her face that she just
didn't believe him? That's that's what I assume to.
You can marry those two things, she heard all of that and then
she went, all right. That's the story.
We're going with. Okay?
Right, I'm just saying that that's easy but I think you can
marry those two things and come up with like a bigger bigger
answer. It's almost too hard to believe
that all of this was for nothing, so you must be lying.

(01:03:02):
You could say that. I think there's also something
to be said for the fact that Ellie's did have a purpose
before, all of this, she was going to work her way up and
fedra, I think we can all agree that she was on board for that,
that was taken away from her. Now, this was taken away from
her. No, any Trace that she's had in
like What her purpose will be orwhat she does with their life

(01:03:22):
has been Stripped Away. You'd understand, she's still a
teenager and that is like life-altering stuff when you're
that age, right? So now we go to Joe's a lie and
this is the worst thing charity.Your immediate reaction was and
I don't know, do you still feel the same way that you really,
really hated what Joel did to the point where you don't want
to watch the show anymore? Like you said in the post, watch
live stream. I got over that one.

(01:03:44):
Okay, so that's good reaction. No, no, I like that.
I like that. We can reflect was studying.
Like it just it was like a I could punch in the stomach to me
that Joel would do that especially when you have the
growth, where he went back and let her make the choice when
they were in Jackson, she wasn'tjust cargo anymore.
And now he's put her right back in this status of being cargo
again without giving her any agency even worse.

(01:04:04):
He's trying to hide it from her,but she's told us all along.
He's not a good guy. He's done terrible things, but
we never thought the terrible thing would be to Ellie.
And we never really seen the dead after.
Yes, just winning her. Trust to the point where they're
together and he's gonna tell herthis big That fucking lie that
she's gonna find out, eventuallyshe's going to find out that
it's a lie. They said someone feel

(01:04:26):
themselves but I love the Paradox of this though, right?
Because he's lying in order to give her agency in a sense even
though he's taking away some of her agency to make that choice
which Marlene I didn't notice that, Marlene didn't give her a
choice. Thank you for telling me is I
had thought that she was on board, but he lies to her so
that he can give her her agency so that she can have more

(01:04:48):
choices than Just this the no choices.
When you die, you have no choices.
Oh Lois just tipped us $12 also.Thank you, Louis.
I love you too. Thank you, Louis.
I mean so much to I can't wait to see you both at the camp.
Oh my God, that's so great. Yes, the Paradox of agency of
the Paradox of choice is once you're dead, you cannot make any

(01:05:09):
more choices and what is a father to do.
He's shown his desperation throughout the episode Beefaroni
Boggle. You're not like my daughter
that's not to say. I don't like you and then he's
so desperate that he says Who wants to put this to bed at?
Liam. Do you want a life or not?
Do you want to see more giraffes?
You can't beat that view. Well, you can't beat that view
if you're dead. Okay.
I have a question for you guys on knee-jerk reaction.

(01:05:30):
Did he make the right choice or not?
It's hard to say. Well like yes or no.
Yeah, I want a, you ever come around to it though?
The choice that he made to save.Ellie was the right choice.
The choice that he made the, whywas not okay?
Yes, same. He I agree.
He should not have lied to her. I agree with him lying to her
and saving her. Actually I've really, really
thought about this. Well, I mean, but why why?

(01:05:50):
Because she can't go back. They're all dead.
What fucking point? Does difference, does it make?
Now she can't run away and go back to the fireflies.
Just tell her the fucking truth,because no matter what you do,
eventually she's going to find out and that's going to make it
so much fucking worse. So just be straight up Ellie.
They were going to kill you. Why sugarcoat it?
They were going to kill you. So I fucking saved you because
as a kid she wouldn't have understood that decision at all.

(01:06:10):
I agree with you. She would hate him for it but
it's not about that. I think that he made the right
choice in both situations but it's innately selfish.
Yes, part of it is to save her. But I think part of it is to
save himself by having her around, he is the new Joel that
we know now, right, Joel that scoped through the death and
everything and is crazy for for Boggs, was it it friends where

(01:06:34):
they were trying to do a good deed that didn't benefit
themselves and finally Phoebe was like she let a bee stinger
because yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.
Actually we're not. So, yes, Joel did it for himself
but he also did it for Ellie because sure doesn't want her to

(01:06:56):
be dead. Well, yeah, obviously, what
parent wants their child to die?I ever highly period.
We would, I don't know it. We would be remiss if we didn't
admit. I thank you for doing that
because it is a gradient to like, okay, do you agree with
him? Executing everybody and saving
Ellie. Okay, let's move on.
Well, I mean that parties. Agree with them blind.
Yeah, I may have mixed feelings about that.

(01:07:18):
Actually remember in the WalkingDead when they had the big
battle and they just sit Morgan in and he wiped out the whole.
So, like fedra, just hired Joel.Take out the fireflies.
I mean, you didn't need all these fucking patrols and shit.
Just say it's all in there. Not gonna lie.
I thought you were doing the Chris Farley thing.

(01:07:40):
Wait, which one do you remember?Remember remember, yeah, that
was cool. You'll be not there's something
odd about what you just said. It goes back to the black and
white Theory makes purple or youhave diametrically opposed
ideologies, they work a lot likea yin and yang, right?

(01:08:02):
What happens when Federal wins. What happens when the fireflies
win? It's almost as if they need each
other to survive. And coexist in a sense Daenerys
said it. It's one family on top of the
wheel and it rolls over it crushes, everybody.
One families on top. Then the next is on top and the
Nexus on top and it just crushes.
Everybody beneath it. So, Fireflies are on top then
Fetchers on top, then, whoever the fuck comes next.

(01:08:23):
And in a sense, the wheel keeps on moving because of that,
right? And so why didn't the fight
Federal Wipe Out? The fireflies?
Widen the fireflies Wipeout Fredrick they can't, they're
part of the game. The part of the wheel, both of
them were like the fungus feeding on the host and if they
kill the host and they die, okay.
Now we're going to show you whatRachel who did that derelict in
your duties, Thomas to did that to me?

(01:08:46):
This was not me. This was Thomas they should be
are Motion for the camp. No one should not put this on a
living Makar worst photo. That was like, the best photo of
your for this poster, though. Actually, these are really good
photos. Yours are great.

(01:09:07):
Mom is atrocious. Your little picture of me.
You're hungover. You're literally Winston
zeddmore being like, ghosts again.
Right. No, you're the zeddmore the tag
light on that post is I woke up like this because no, literally

(01:09:28):
that's all I woke up. Somebody, somebody adjust this
because it looks like Bridget was just slimed and so that's
what should be depicted here butfix it so that it looks like
Brigitte is and she's like, I don't care.

(01:09:55):
Thomas Thomas to pick for host as the Ghostbusters from
Ghostbusters 2, I look great. So let's just go with that.
So also I'm right all the time. Aiden says, can I be stay-puft?
No, that's Ghostbusters one. We destroyed you in the first
one already have to be the eighth inning of Liberty.

(01:10:17):
Oh yeah. That see that works way better
doesn't it? You'd be Drag Aiden.
I'm really, really glad that we have to crush this particular
episode and it's a series finale.
And how are you guys feeling about where we're at?
And I don't know when the secondseason is going to even deign to
come on here 25. They said God just like Game of
Thrones. Yeah, is innocent or House of

(01:10:39):
the Dragon 2. Yeah.
Yeah. We got a lot of time before
these shows, but Ted lasso the 15th and I'm watching the glory
and lucky Hank, the 17th Thomas updated the image.
According to my request right now and I think it makes more
sense. I don't think I'm gonna like it.
I think I know you're not gonna like it, but she was just slimed

(01:11:00):
and there you go. From Shrek.
Now we're going to end the show like this.
Actually, another bit of housekeeping that I should have
said, from the top to satiate the fans for having to wait so

(01:11:20):
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