The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon |3x04 "La Justicia Fronteriza"

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He sounds happy. His father Vincent being
convicted of robbing a bank in 1993.
What a story grew up. Poor spent much of his childhood
living with various family members and moved around often
whoo well. There you go.
He's real poor. He probably felt like he had
made it already. And he's like, look, I'm done
with this now I can just live life.
That's true drug abuse and alcoholism.

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Or he's a drug addict, I don't know.
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its third season titled get ready Bridget la Justicia front
Aretha. That means frontier justice.
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Just shaking your head just for the audio podcast.

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Just so everybody else knows. It's the Barcelonian accent that
you're throwing on constantly. By the way, I cannot wait to
talk about this is on the heels of our last episode, which I
apologize for not being there for.
To the audience, I'm not apologizing to any of you.
You guys handled everything well.
You don't need me anymore. It's fine.
Actually, it's great. But just the audience, you're

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great. You guys are great.
Everybody else, sorry. Obviously it's a line that was
used by Federico de Rivera when they were punishing the Los
Primitivo at the end, but what else is frontier justice in this
episode? Isn't everything pretty much
frontier justice now? Because it's not like there's a

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set law or anything that anybody's following.
There's no government, there's no law enforcement.
So literally everything is frontier justice.
Boom. It's a prevalent theme.
I was somewhat disappointed in This Frontier Justice.
As someone who's read a whole lot of books about Native
Americans and settlers, I'm super disappointed in how

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milquetoast and vanilla This Frontier Justice was.
They chained him up and let somewalkers out on him.
Like what? Whatever, that wasn't exciting.
I wasn't different, I was just disappointed that he didn't last
as long as I thought he might. Something like a couple.
Scenes in between, you know he'sstill going.
No. I feel like they could have

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gotten just a little more creative with that.
This is it. I was getting all keyed up for
something. Really.
We're going to give Frontier justice.
And then it was like, we're justgoing to tie him up and let some
walkers loose on him. Oh, and then we also barely got
to see it too, right? I was so disappointed.
And you could tell why this by this episode is very long.
I even said that to Dennis. It's super long.

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I kept waiting for that to end and I'm like, oh, it's it's back
again. OK, Right.
Exactly. So when it airs tonight, it it
will end at 1012. Wow.
And the episode length unedited,unedited with without the
commercials is 54 minutes. And you could tell, you know,
when you're watching an episode that's really good.
I mean, I'm not saying this one isn't, but when you're watching
an episode that's really good, you can't really tell the

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passage of time. You're like, oh, Joe, hey, what
the horse? OK.
Sharon DI kept being like, oh, OK, yeah, it's over.
And then like it would come backand I'm like, I can't.
It's not fine. Right, OK, it's still going
fine. I guess we'll.
Keep watching and I'll keep watching and.
Then finally hit the insider episode or insider, I was like,
finally which? And the first thing you see is

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that's the trick, right? Just to hit on that is that it's
not the first thing you see is the episode episode or insider
Bridget TM. It's the lead into the next
episode, right, But you can't tell because it's been going on
for so long. You're like, oh.
You're like, wow, back again. Come on.
And they're. Like, oh, wait, then you're
like, no, no, no, no, no, right,'cause I know something you

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don't like, I turn it off. Rob and I are like, yeah, keep
going, keep watching this BorderJustice, a big overarching theme
that Roberto actually brings up unknowingly, because Roberto is
Roberto, and we'll get into thatactually a little later.
But he says, how can this guy promise a safety?

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touché on the guns. According to me, Not according
to Roberto. I have a Yeah, no.
I'll, I'll give him that becauseI was like, yeah, what has he
done for you? And then he's like, well, we had
these Gatling guns because of him.
And I was like, we're here. Oh, you're on Roberto's side.
You're like Dan. The man is protected.
Yeah, OK. Yeah.
Have you met me? Yeah, obviously, Dave.

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It's very hard to kind of know where you stand sometimes.
Yeah, yeah, I. Know like, burn it all down,
Dave. I'm libertarian, but burn it all
down, Dave. Viva la revolution and we're
actually in the right country orrevolution.
I hate you, You can't. It is actually.
You can't remove that, that thatyoung 13 year old that used to
wear an anarchy symbol on her T-shirt because she thought it

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was cool. It's in here somewhere.
Dance. That's why sometimes, like,
we're gonna just burn it down. And this is one of those.
Window with the kid. I made my own flag.
It's like anarchy, but I'm stilla country.
I just see that. I did not make my own flag.
I made my own nation national flag, no.
No. Question is, would she rule with

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an iron fist? I'm doing this for your own
good. Yeah, but benevolently dictator.
A benevolent dictator? Yeah.
We've reached a new layer and I.Am everything that I hate.
I would be Bender, remember in Futurama when Bender was the
God? For a little while, yes.

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And he was like, I was God once.He's like, yeah, I saw you were
doing really good until everybody died.
Like, you know, is it also kind of what's going on here?
Everything was great until everybody died.
Alakasar was a great benefactor until everybody died.
Until until like they realized he was wearing a crown of lies.

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You. You sit on a throne of lies,
Guillermo Torres. He does.
He does. Guillermo Torres.
I was dead wrong about the Barbarians the last three
episodes of My Guest. Yeah, and that was in my notes
as well. Oh, they were lame and
ineffectual. Who could have guessed that that
was going to? Happen.

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I wanted him so to be right actually too, because there's no
indicator that that was the case.
But I'm like, well, maybe he is right though.
Maybe there'll be A twist and they're actually good, but we
don't know yet. It just doesn't seem right.
Forgive me if I'm overstepping here.
I don't know what. Why?
Since when do I care about that?I feel like potentially they are
working for El Alcazar. I have that same feeling, yeah,

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actually. Like we work for no one, I don't
work for you but we don't bend the need to gear motor.
The both things could be true. Really.
But really, I do work for him and I'm here to mess your ass up
because he's mad. Because he's mad.
Mad question. It reinforces their need for

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Ella Kazar. Oh, you think you don't need me?
And you can talk back to me and question my authority?
Well, here you're gonna get attacked, and now you're gonna
see how much you actually need me.
It's almost as though the thing that I said, the second episode
about the Nets and the walkers and his men being out there, the
beginning of the second episode,then they find Christina and
Roberto. Both respective Walking Dead

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shows this year having Walker projectiles.
Yeah. What was the first one?
Was it it? Was Dead city Yeah, when they
were firing at the boat with themethane walkers.
Right. The Walker mortars that was kind
of out of Lord of the Rings, taking the body parts of the
dead and shooting them back overthe wall.
Who knew that they were so influenced by Lord of the?

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For the season I want to play play the music from Lord of the
Rings over the flaming ball of Walker Parts.
We have to get a You shall not pass somewhere and then like
it's Gandalf and he slides off the bridge.
I was so sorry, Gandalf the Gray.
I never finished my point about border justice, which was he

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himself points out how can El AlQatar really protect us?
There's absolutely no way. I'd love Bridget shaking your
head right now. It goes to your point, Sharon.
He puts a finger on it. There's no way anybody can save
you. You need to save yourselves.
Like, obviously you have to do the training and they never have
to do the thing and they save themselves.
And everybody needs to learn self-defense, Judith and Gracie.

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I'd be interested to know how far away he this throne of lies
is, because realistically, how can you protect the city?
It doesn't make any sense. It's like every mob movie you've
ever seen where they're coming around.
For your. Protection I.
Was just going to say it's just running a racket, that's all.
Yeah, it's just racketeering forsure.

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It's all that's happening. So the insider for the next
episode does say where it is. Apparently El Al Qatar, if you
remember, is the palace is the royalty, right?
Yes. Enjoy my my Spanish is where his
seat of he's. In Barcelona.
Yeah, that's where he resides. OK, OK, What did we say in the

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last episode about where JeffreyGrimes was based out of the
Alien comic book? Barcelona.
Even I, upon hearing that, got alittle.
I know better. I know not to get too excited
because they're not going to do it.
There's not going to be some protagonist with like a Spanish
armor helmet. I saw one of the frames of

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apparently who this Jeffrey is in episode and they'll be like
let's them sneakily showing Geoffrey gums without him
actually being on the show. I'm not going to actually just
do Geoffrey. Gums.
So now we have to go around the room.
Who thinks this is going to be athing?
Because I'm curious too. No.
You don't think they'd finally give us something?
No, no. Gimple.

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Gimple gets so much joy out of doing this to people.
I'd be like, maybe no, you're dumb.
No, you're so stupid. That's all he's ever doing.
For once I'm going to take a page from Rachel's book because
if they end up doing it and me with my hopes down here, I would
probably lose my bowels instantly.

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When thinking about if they brought Jeffrey into it, and
then, you know, somehow he findsout that's Rick's brother, meets
Daryl, whatever, he's like, oh, I knew your brother.
And then starts telling about how Rick died because as far as
Daryl knows, he's still gone. But then Carol, oh, by the way,
I didn't want to tell you because you had a kid over here.
I buried the lead, but. He's back.

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I didn't want to tell you. Tell me what?
Or else you'd just kill Houstinaand repaired so well, just get
rid of them, get their stuff andgo Rick's live.
They also might just leave it open for everybody's
interpretation. If they don't make anything
clear, then we get the joy of speculating forever.
That's my thought. My thought is that they'll leave

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it open and then they'll have like a background actor or
something in the background. Looks like him, but not him
Canon. So you mentioned the killing
Roberto and Justina because of the spots on the boat.
I fear that everyone will die due to the amount of spots on
the boat because like there's only four and so that's all you

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can bring and like, who is that going to be?
And so now it's just kind of this wondering like, is Justina
going to die and Roberto and hisdad are going to leave?
Or is it his dad dies in some weird?
Because obviously there's nothing that happened between
Roberto's dad Antonio and Faday.Clearly.

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Stay here because this is a great conversation to have.
Let's say this four spots. Who would go?
Because I like the bait and switch.
I like what they did at the end of last season where it was only
Ash and only Laurent that flew away, right?
Because you had mentioned Antonio and I see sparks with
Carol and Antonio, and I wonder if Carol doesn't end up going
with Daryl. Actually, it would upset many

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people. It really would.
But if we could find a way of making it okay narratively,
because isn't the one thing thatwe all want from Carol is her to
have a happy ending over our owndesires?
Of course, yeah. Yeah, so that would be the being
okay with things. She doesn't really have a family
like a direction, like Henry's dead, Ezekiel's, you know,

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they've separated. So the only person she really
has is Daryl. That's close.
Right. The thought did cross my mind,
Dave. So like, I think there is some
storytelling here that's leadingus down that path of like, maybe
Carol would stay with Antonio. Part of me feels like this city
is like on the edge of falling apart.
So it's not going to matter ultimately anyway, but.
Who better to be the queen of this palace?

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Wouldn't she be perfect to be the one to come in and pretend
to do, be, do, fake it till you make it queen of whatever this
is? This could be Queen Carol.
She takes on the role of Ezekieland then Antonio's like, OK.
The fact of the matter is Carol is way more experience leading
probably than a lot of these people.
So she's the most qualified arguably.

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But while it pigeonholes your character then and she's there
and you're like, we're probably never going to touch on that
again. And they haven't done a ton of
that with the main characters unless they're dead.
All fair, by the way. I just think it's very
interesting to ponder how that could go down well.
And then they kill Cooper. Yes.

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I know which I was like of course you immediately
introduced him and then are likebye.
Also, what did he mean when he said he was a what?
Banana slug. I did look it up.
And then Darryl's like, what? And he's like, yeah, through and
through. And I was like, I still don't
understand what you're saying you weirdo.
So there's a couple things. So he keeps saying through and

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through, by the way, for one thing about being a banana slug.
And then he mentioned something about his mom, like if she made
it through and then he got an arrow through him.
So I thought that was kind of somebody's trying to be cheeky,
but Banana Slug refers to Sammy the Banana Slug, the official
mascot of University of California of Santa Cruz UCSC.

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Only select a few people are going to know what that is.
No, this is just for us because they love when they're like
bananas. Like what?
OK, now it's Walking Dead and we'll explain what a banana slug
is. Californian of him to be like
I'm a banana slug and once almost like what he's like he
just like moves on like well, you should know what that is
also. He died Bridget, so you'd have a

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chance to explain it, but. He's directly asked and he
immediately, just like I'm. Gonna Yeah, I know.
You know, right? You know.
Who are you? He's Cooper.
Rest in peace. All I could.
Think was this is not going to go over well.
This guy, he talks too much. He won't stop talking.

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Darrell, talk some more. And then he immediately he's
dead. And I was like, well, never.
Someone had to die, I guess. Did I want that to happen?
Did I make that happen? Bridget thinks.
Because he was annoying me. It's.
Not the only one that noticed. I mean, before they even really
introduced him, when he was teaching Darrell the tie knots
and I was like, this guy doesn'thave an accent.
It kind of threw me off. Was there another American actor

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not doing an accent or what's happening right now?
Until they finally said he's from there.
I was like, OK. Yeah, when he did the knots, I
was like, oh, he's American. I didn't really think much about
it because I was like, well, clearly he wants to be there.
And then all of a sudden they'relike, you're taking this guy
too? And I was like, oh, OK.
We should have known he was going to die as soon as they
said that. Oh, this red shirt just said
he's going with them. Yeah.

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Bye. I know the.
Color grading must be off because I thought he was wearing
a yellow shirt. But yeah, you might be right.
There's like an overly yellow tint to a red.
Shirt. So the banana slug is the
official state slug of California.
I don't know how that that's nottrue.
Wait. Oh, we made the state slug?
If a slug were ever a state anything, yeah, sure.

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Yeah. I want to know the state slug of
New York. Now I got to find out it's.
The, it's the, I don't know, this garden slug.
We find them in New York City too, by the way, just so.
Everybody knows. Oh, I know what little grass we
have. They're also hermaphroditic, in
case that means anything to anybody.
Not particularly in this. Context.
So those. Preventivos committed a hate

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crime. Yeah, basically, yeah, did.
They know. They knew, you'll notice.
That we didn't get him. Notice they waited until he said
he was a banana slug out loud tokill him so.
What did you say? Like they hurt him or they from

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a mile away, what is happening? They just want to destroy
everything and everyone. They're equal opportunity,
wanting to kill everybody. Oh, maybe that's my.
They burn it all down, Bridget. That's why I.
Grew up but they sucked. They were so ineffectual.
So now you know Bridget. They are a group full of Peter
Baelishes Little Finger. Little finger.

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Who do you think was more successful, this group or the
wolves? At least the lead up to the
Primitivos wasn't as serious. Yeah, it seemed like there was a
lot more of them than there was of the wolves.
Yeah, that's true. There were a lot of people that
attacked the village, but then there were even more up on the
Ridge shooting fire walkers intothe into the There was a they

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had a lot of people like he said, 10s, hundreds, millions.
I don't think there's millions of them, but they could be quite
a force. We don't know.
Yeah, yeah. The unknown is a really because
that I mean that fight scene wasa dominant part of the episode.
When they showed the close up ofthe heads mounted on the Jeep.
The one that they showed up really close, that was like

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biting and growling. It had huge eyes.
I don't know like if this is a variant thing or if it's just
the way he designed it. His eyes were ridiculously large
for his head. I noticed that as well.
It was the one eye actually morethan it was anything else.
I think it was the way the lid was sagging from the face
because your eyes are way biggerthan this behind your skull.

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When that popped up, I was like,oh, literally, I wonder how they
did that. And then I was like, that looks
like maybe that's like a little robotic mechanical head.
Oh, it was definitely a puppet. Yeah.
All I could think was like, man,we've come so far in special
effects, we still can't quite get the look right for a human,
specifically the eyes. Yeah, well, no in any.

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OK, yeah, let's talk about CGI, Dave.
None of it can ever quite get towhat a human actually looks
like. Like, there's always something
that's like a little bit off, and that's what that made me
think of. Like, not that it wasn't great.
It was great special effect work.
It was very impressive. But something about it looked
off enough for you to be like, that's not a person.

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It's not a real human. I think The Walking Dead doesn't
want to be too realistic as well.
You needed to be just far away from what it would actually look
like. In a way, they disagree.
They do very impressive work allthe.
Time. I don't disagree.
That is incredibly realistic looking, but I mean, there's

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nothing to compare it to. Dave, we don't have zombies.
That's my point. Actually.
That's literally my point. It's as good as you can get in
the guesstimate to what a Walking Dead person would look
like. Would be after 13 years too
depending on how the age of the infected or whatever.
But that's kind of my point is that you don't want this to
literally be bodies bleeding as humans and the skulls to be

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photo accurate and to everythingbe super accurate.
Like sometimes you want an impression of what an idea of
what a zombie would look like aswell lore wise, comic book wise,
whatever. Because even the comic book
zombies didn't always look what you think it might look like.
A we used to be a person is all I'm saying.
Oh yeah, they had like white eyes and they look crazy.

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Yeah, some of the features were a little bit too much, but for a
reason. And I think the show was trying
to do that as well in the early seasons, for sure, new outbreak,
even if it was only a few monthsor whatever it was.
They look so much like us. But as time passed on, it's
like, OK, well, we want the showto continue going and maybe not
everybody likes photorealistic or at human accurate zombies and

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maybe they have to look more gross over time.
Maybe a little green at like to pay homage, maybe a little Gray,
the black and white. Maybe the teeth have to be burnt
out. Sure, I.
Mean, to some degree I agree with you.
I mean, it's as realistic as it can or something.
Yeah, that's things sag. Completely.
Yeah, We're not. Really like makeup, remember?

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Like I remember we were talking about how is it that after six
year time jump plus two years, eight years, how is it after
eight years, the teeth in the skull of the Walker can bite
down and it's like you're biting, They can bite down iron
and they won't break. That's true.
It's less about the teeth breaking.
It would more be about the teethfalling out of your head as your

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gums. That's what I mean.
We're seated, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
So I thought of excuses of why, oh, how that could be, etcetera.
That's it right there. It's like that doesn't make any
sense. That's well, and that's a thing
that constantly to this day comes up on the Reddit for
Walking Dead, Dave, You've seen it where people.
Like get out of here. How could they be walking around
still like the show's still on? OK, you're watching a zombie

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show. Like, I don't know what you
expect. There's has to be some
suspension of disbelief in orderto enjoy this.
Mad because this show about zombies is unrealistic.
So stupid. If the dead movement, how would
you know it's never happened before?
You don't know. Shut the hell up, delete your

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account. And then they do because there's
so much abuse. Yeah, I know.
I posted a photo once of a a carthat I saw on Halloween that had
the message the Sofia we will come back or whatever from
season 2. And I took a photo of it and I
cropped out the license plate and I put it on Reddit and I was
like found in the wild like because I was like, this is fun.
And I was so excited to see it because this was like only like

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two or three years ago and people aren't still that into
Walking Dead. So I was really excited about
it. And I got lambasted by like some
guy who was like, this is your own car.
And I was like, no, it's not. Why would I do that?
Like I don't. Care about the license plate?
Yeah, that's just what nice people do.
People do, and I remember just being.
Like your license plate? I was like are.

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You OK bro? Like are you?
All right. The funny thing about that is,
even if it was your own car, someone else would.
Yeah, right. Someone else would take a
picture and do what you did and they would say it was their car.
Yeah, exactly. So stupid.
The people are just. So dumb.
So anyway, people on Reddit are dumb.
That's not everybody. People everywhere are dumb on

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every social media platform. It doesn't matter which one.
That's true. I secretly admitted to somebody
that I'm starting to cop on to what you guys have been talking
about all these years. Maybe people are just stupid.
A little, mostly, yeah, kind of.Well, George Carlin said it
best. He said, picture your average
guy. Now remember that half of the
people in the world are Dumber than him.

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I'm paraphrasing, but that was, like, basically what he said.
Simplified. Yeah.
Because I know he went like another.
And then double that. That some of these stupid people
there are. So Fede and Antonio clearly have
some sort of beef. It's long standing.
It's old. Is it complicated?
It's complicated. It has something to do with
Antonio's face burn, potentially, maybe has something

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to do with the death of Roberto's mother.
There's a lot there we don't know because we haven't gotten
anything. And frankly, he told Carol maybe
they know each other well enough.
OK, I don't know why this part in my head.
Nothing in the writing led me tobelieve this other than the
throwaway line of it just isn't right.
The two of them together. But what if Betty is like a

(27:10):
scumbag who impregnated, dated Antonio's wife and she had the
baby and so the baby is technically Justina's cousin?
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. And is that why it's not right
for them to be together? I don't think that he's a
scumbag, I think they just brokeup.
Or it could be that hit the loveof his life.

(27:30):
Yeah, equal rights. Equal rights.
She was a scumbag. They were both scumbags.
Equally yes, that was my thoughtas well as they it's easy to
jump to the hole. Oh, he did a essay on her and
like, oh. No, no, no, I didn't.
That didn't cross my mind at all.
But. Then there's he promised to
protect her. Doesn't seem like a bad guy.
And I think part of you watchinghim defend the town is also to

(27:53):
make you more sympathetic to himas his practice is what he's
doing with the town. But he really does love this
town and he believes that this was the right thing to do is to
pay tribute and all that stuff. Alfrenda.
Let me get a feel for the room then and do like a temperature
check here. I have at no point felt like
Fede was horrible. I felt like there was more to

(28:14):
the story I just didn't understand.
Yeah, I was. I was on the fence.
I didn't cast him out as a bad guy ever.
Initially. I first watch yes and then
second watch I'm like only maybenot so much.
I don't even know if I felt thatway.
Nothing about what he's done so far seems horrible.
It's like maybe he's just overprotective.
Like it's kind of where I've been of Justina.
I haven't been like, Oh yeah, he's an absolute monster.

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I think he deals with monsters, but I don't necessarily consider
him like a bad guy. It really depends on the level
of his knowledge as to what's happening to the girls in the
Ofrenda. That would determine how bad or
not bad he is I guess. Would sure where I would go with
that. But even that wouldn't make him
bad if he is justifying it by I am protecting all of the other

(28:58):
people in this town by sacrificing one girl, the needs
of the many. He may know what's going on, but
he's like hey, I'm saving 15 other girls by letting this one
go. Well we know he's saving the
town with the guns that he gets just one thing.
Of the many things that he does receive as a result of the
Ofrenda having the guns. It is literally the whole town

(29:19):
for one girl every year. I'm assuming it's a yearly
thing. Yeah, I would guess.
I was thinking that somehow he is really Justina's father and
not her uncle, and somehow that's a relation to Roberto and
Antonio. Oh, so you do still think
there's a chance that they are related and that's why this is

(29:39):
like so frowned upon? OK, OK.
You don't want any Lannister action going on here.
Well, they were the Lannister thing.
They were twin brother and sister, right Jamie?
And seriously, I say this, don'tjudge me, but they're just
cousins. Well, technically it's legal.
It's legal here. It's illegal in many states, the

(29:59):
overwhelming majority of states.It could be a situation where
maybe they're twins and they were born together, but they got
separated for whatever reason. Again, they could throw a monkey
wrench in here and prove us all wrong, but I think somehow
they're related and that's why it's not.
Well, undoubtedly, because I came to this conclusion and I'm
like, yeah, this checks out. It's not at all going to be what

(30:21):
happens. This happens every time.
I'm like, yeah, I have a theory and it's good one and then I'll
like back it up with my evidenceand then it'll still be
completely wrong, so. It'll turn out being that like
Justina is really the true queenof Spain or something.
And like that's, she couldn't. Marry that would be.
Anastasia, but in Spain. Post apocalyptic Anastasia.

(30:42):
I just feel like if that is trueand he is her father, she just
doesn't know that. But I feel like if that's true
then he would have maybe fought harder to stop her from
volunteering herself. I don't think she went to him, I
think she went straight to Alcazar and then he couldn't
backpedal. It yeah, that's true.
Yeah, because it's going to be aslap in the face to Alcazar if

(31:04):
he steps in and says I no, not her.
So he's got to let her go. So I think that's what.
That team was about, too. Yeah, she really forced his hand
in this regard. Yeah, solid theory.
I mean, things I wrote in my notes is exactly what you said.
He's the child of Federico and Antonio's wife makes things
super complicated. And so a lot of the scenes where

(31:25):
Fede is dealing with Roberto makes so much more sense.
Roberto openly says I'll accept whatever punishment and I'm.
I'm sorry, whatever, etcetera, because there's no hope now for
him. He's like, OK, I'll take the
lumps. And he's like, no, no, no, I'm
trying to be nice to you becauseunlike many other people in this
town probably would do the same thing.
And I would treat them like S Yeah.
Even Antonio says we don't know what he'll do when he yells at

(31:47):
the door and he's banging at this.
A beating of the episode when Barrel has his first flashback
and everybody in the town's hearing him.
He's defying his authority, etcetera.
And what happens to people defy authority?
They get put on the Palestinian hanging, the rivers hanging,
whatever it's called, stapado, whatever.
So that kind of makes sense. It makes sense that he is his
real father. And remember, he how he gets
into his face almost as though he was his son.

(32:09):
When they come back the first time coming to town, they're
like, what were you thinking of,Konyo?
Yeah. Why would you do something so
stupid? Mirami Konyo.
That's what he said. Look at me keyword I don't know
what can I say it? I don't know he said it.
There were a lot of these words,by the way thrown around in this
episode and a few of them they actually did translate to put
that there were a plethora of F bombs in this.

(32:31):
I noticed that 2 American no American words.
There was like 3 at least appropriately placed two.
Not like this food is nothing good.
This was perfect. Anyway, moving off of that
bridge is does she say where shewas going?
While we're just here for a second, I was watching some
Great British Bake Off clips theother day and David Morrissey
was on it. Really.

(32:53):
Yeah. He was one of the bakers.
It was Stand Up to Cancer celebrity edition.
Oh, yeah. How?
Does that recent filming or is that older?
I don't know. I was just a string of clips
from the show and it was focusing on somebody else they
were talking about. I just happened to see him in
the background. It was really funny.
I was like, hey, the governor, The governor is baking one of

(33:14):
the least offensive things he's ever done.
I just wanted to find this for the audience in case they wanted
to watch it. David Morris appeared on the
2023 season of The Great Celebrity Bake Off for Stand Up
to Cancer, specifically in Series 6 of Season 6, British
Episode 3. He was part of celebrity lineup
that also include Lucy Beaumont,Tom Daley and Adele Roberts

(33:36):
where they tackle chances like asavour quiche, tea time biscuits
and a show stopping cake to raise money and awareness for
Cancer Research. I want Rob to choose the next
subject because there's the flashbacks we just got from the
start of the episode, but there's also the Nope.
Oh. Yeah.
OK. Yeah, we can go into that one.
OK, OK, OK, OK. OK.

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All I could think was, wow, carolers are really going to
lose their mind over this, because that is confirmation of
what I've always known, which isthat they're friends and
they're. Not the stage of what we're
talking about, because even Rob was like, wait, what are you
talking about? Nope.
For a second I got bitches. Yeah, well, they're arguing
about Cooper coming onto the boat, if I'm not mistaken.

(34:19):
Like we don't really need which.First of all, let's start there.
Daryl was very insistent on not having a knowledgeable person
who is way more capable than he is, even with the learning about
knots and everything on the boatwith them.
Did that frustrate all of you? Yes.
I was like, you can get you across the ocean.
I was like, well, who cares if this guy comes with you or not?

(34:40):
Like what's the big deal? No, I get his rationale also,
but it it does not hold up. You're being too dumb.
He doesn't want to feel responsible for this guy.
Absolutely. Because look at what happened to
Julian. Yeah, I get it.
I get it. You know they take Julian and
Julian dies. And we mentioned that in like
the second episode or whatever, he always blames himself for
anyone that dies around him. So like, of course he's carrying

(35:02):
the weight of Julian. He's carrying the weight of wow,
how quickly I've forgotten the nun's name.
Isabel. Isabel Hole.
Wow, we're too far away from it already, Dave.
I've moved on. He felt responsible for Rick's
death. Yes, correct.
And he had nothing to do with that.
He blamed himself for Gwen's death and technically it was a

(35:24):
direct cause and effect situation Daryl acted out.
So then Glenn died. But honestly, all of that truly
goes on the shoulders of Negan. That does not transfer over to
Daryl. He didn't 'cause that truly
that's how his brain operates. He just blames himself for
everything. He pulled a Morgan, I get it, in

(35:45):
fear, but but it was the same thing with Rick though.
Had he not taken Rick and Rick out and detoured him, not taking
him to the where the walkers were diverging and all that
stuff, That was the whole reasonwhy they ended up at the bridge.
Whatever Rick might have been alive.
It's all the like you said, cause and effect, but he's not
really to blame. No one's really to blame.
What happened would have happened.
As Aaron said, it's less that than him just saying I don't

(36:08):
want to be involved in your minutia.
I don't want to be involved withanybody.
I just want to get home. But it doesn't hold up.
And he he does this throughout the episode too, in every single
instance, he does not want to beinvolved.
It's not your fight the bidding of the episode.
It's not your fight. Don't get involved.
Let him have a tamper tantrum. Let him bang on fed his door if
he gets killed, if he gets punished, not our fight.
And even the guys in the background, as he was saying,

(36:30):
not our fight. They were going, they're doing
the What was the guy who was a basketball player who did?
Not in my house. They can't be Mutombo.
Yeah, not in my house. No.
I would like you to stop because.
It's very long favor, by the way.
Very. Large person you.
Say that. Anyway.

(36:52):
There's a guy in the back I'm going to actually publish
that's. Well, anywho, one of the Fed is
guys in the background at the door as please don't get.
He's basically saying don't get involved.
Yeah, you're right, don't get involved.
It was a little cheeky. OK, That set the stage for
Cooper and the then. What that means about my old

(37:12):
life. But things have changed.
I've changed. I'm content here.
But my point stands. Take Cooper.
We'll be fine. We just had a little bit of bad
weather. Bad luck.
Your boyfriend sure doesn't liketaking advice, Daddy.
No, we're not. Really.
Really. You've never.
Never. Nope.

(37:34):
How's it looking? What anyway?
His boyfriend? No, not me.
Even though she had a dream about him being married to her.
Whatever. Which is what the carolers are
gonna say Sunday night, which isthe day we're recording,
September 28th. We'll say it tonight and I will
not listen, but. You know, Carol had a wet dream
with Daryl and like, Oh no, it wasn't a wet dream.

(37:54):
It was a weird dream. OK, Haven't you ever had a dream
that you were married to Norman Reedus?
Because like I have probably I. Have had I did snuggle up to my
sweetie Daryl and we had a dreamof mine he's a.
Good looking guy everyone's going to do.
He's. Definitely.
He's definitely not. But it's like a sign.

(38:15):
I've watched Walking Dead a little too late.
The show's playing in your head and you're like, well, let's
knuggle up to my sweetie Daryl Season 10.
Obviously, when you really have to worry is when you find
yourself married to or after a Walker.
That's my that's when you freak out like, I've watched too much
of this. Well, you did when you told us
you caught up so so you can cover The Walking Dead season 11

(38:38):
I think it was. You mean when I was watching 12
hours of Walking Dead a day and having nightmares about it?
Oh my God. I go to bed do it, but that's
because I like those. Sounds like it's my comfort show
I just watch it for. Of of walkers.
To fall asleep. If white noise is is a certain
way and green noise is a certainway, what would be Walker
noises? What color would that be?

(38:59):
Yeah, that's it. What color would that be?
What color would that be? Brown.
Brown. It'd be Gray, gravely.
It'd be rotten noise. It'd be puse.
Would it be puse noise? I forget if that's like more on
the pink side or it's the green side.
I don't. Know it's not puse, Dave.
But it's puse. I just like the word anyway

(39:21):
you're. Wrong.
I'm just telling you you're wrong.
She goes no, we're not together,why would we be?
And then Daryl goes Nope, just. Walks away.
I can see, I can see the other side of this.
Carolers are going to be like, see, he said Nope.
Like he was irritated, like he wants to be together and she
won't let him for whatever reason.

(39:43):
But honestly, it seemed to me like an irritated like.
Wow, I did not think that. Oh, that is going to be the
justification I'm just preparingyou for.
What's going to happen? Yeah, that's how they will frame
it for sure. But to me, the way that it came
across, it honestly felt like Norman saying it like that
sounded it sounded like Norman just that's.
What I was about to say. By the way.

(40:04):
Because people have said stuff about the two of them.
Because for whatever reason, people on the Internet cannot
control themselves and understand that people are real
people outside of their characters.
And so you remember when Melissasaid she didn't want to go to
Paris and then all of a sudden they're like flying off the
handles. One of my it's second to Wiz

(40:25):
Khalifa and Kanye's fight on Twitter as my favorite Twitter
fight. We.
Dedicated a whole separate episode to that conversation.
It was. So crazy.
It was stuck in the middle of a conversation we have about the
bonus episode of The Walking Dead season 10.
It was diverged. That's when they found out that
Melissa wasn't going on the show.
And so we have this 10 or so minute conversation that saved

(40:46):
us a bunch of time that we took out, by the way, on this whole
subject, which I will now have to link in the conversation
somehow. Well, which is fun.
It's fun conversation. I say all this to say, like, to
me, it felt like he was saying, no, I agree.
Of course not. She's like my sister.
She's my best friend. I love her so much, but not in
that way. And people keep trying to shove
us together and I'm not interested.

(41:08):
She's not interested either. Maybe that to me is how that
kind of felt because like, there's clearly a love angle
happening with Antonio and that feels genuine and organic and
not forest or contrived, and I want to see where that goes.
And also Daryl's love of his life, we could argue, just died.
Yeah. He's not, Absolutely.
No interest in getting with anybody else at this point.

(41:31):
But also this is always kind of how Daryl's character has been
is he's been like really slow toopen up.
It takes him a super long time to connect with someone.
Daryl and Carol did have little flirty banter at the beginning.
Of knowing each other, you mean.Carol.
Well, Carol did, Carol. The thing?
Is I talk to people like that, Italk to everyone like that.
It's fun and it's like it doesn't hurt anybody and it's

(41:53):
just like a harmless little thing to be like.
Well, you're all in on the joke.Everything.
Yeah, anyway, I've never really gotten it, but I'm finally
justified in my feelings of thisnever having been a thing.
Gerald doesn't have a cat, he has a dog.
Because Carol is only into guys with cats, obviously starting
with Ezekiel. Sheba.

(42:14):
True big cat. So she was super into him.
Big boner big cat, right? So I broke Bridget with that.
One I was like, maybe wait. Who has the boner?
Yes, Caribbean. Anyway, what I was saying was,
yes, what you said, Bridget. And I remembered that they're

(42:36):
both executive producers of the show.
And so that was just in addition, there's a little stank
on them saying Daryl go and. Hate it when you say that.
Like I'm saying, everything you hate today, you are Barcelona.
I it's, you know, and you know when you do it on purpose,
that's. DTF anyway, so there's a little
authority in what he said. And going back to that episode

(43:01):
that we released, stop talking specifically about this.
Is it any wonder that's what it was?
Because you have to understand what they were saying was
Daryl's literal wife was preventing Melissa and he from
being together in real life, which is bananas.
Is so insane. What an insanely crazy thing to
say. Now I feel like I should say the

(43:22):
following because of all this. We're a show where we try to
bring people together in their different opinions, and
everybody should be entitled to their opinion, even people who
think Daryl and Carol should be together.
And even I said in the last season that there were bread
crumbs that they were trying to make us OK with them being
together after the Mont St. Michel arc and they were hiding

(43:43):
out in the house. And Janae eventually makes it to
that house, the old couple, the old man loses the wife.
I think it was, or it was the other way around, I can't
remember which. It seemed like they would make
it OK the way they were laying the bread crumbs eventually that
they would get together. And maybe that's still a thing.
We don't know. Antonio dies and that's on the
table again. Everyone is entitled to their
own opinion about this. It doesn't bother me that there

(44:04):
are carolers in existence. I I mean, it's not, I'm not like
rid the world of this plague. Like, it's fine.
You're welcome to your opinion. I think your opinion is wrong.
I think it's misinterpreted. You see how close they are and
you want that to be more. And I get that ship whoever you
want. I don't care.
I mean, unless it's like, reallyweird.
I mean, even if it is really. Weird.
I mean, yeah, you're still entitled.

(44:25):
To hate other people for not agreeing with you.
Ship whoever you want as long asyou're not shipping the real
actors. Yeah, please, please.
Please. I mean, there's some people who
do the Rachon thing who think the same thing, which is not.
I don't care either way. My it's really appropriate.
Yeah, there. Well, there's a my whole thing
is because I, I remember seeing a thing recently about, you

(44:46):
know, the new Superman movie with David corn sweat and Rachel
Brosnahan from Miss Maisel, right?
There was like a little weird thing about Brosnahan really
liking the kissing scenes with corn sweat.
And it was a little weird how they, some of the tabloids are
reporting it when I don't know, it was tabloids, but you know
how it goes. But I don't mind any of that.
My whole thing has always been just don't make people feel bad

(45:09):
for disagreeing with you. And that's what I want to say
here. I hope we're not making you feel
bad for thinking what you think.You're entitled to it.
We just might not agree with it,that's all.
But just don't make other peoplewho disagree with you feel bad.
And the reverse, people who don't think Daryl and Carol
should be together should also not make people who think they
should be together. Don't make them feel bad.

(45:32):
We're not trying. To make you sound stupid.
Sorry I did. That didn't sound genuine at
all. Sorry, not sorry, not sorry Dave
with your I'm. Sorry, I am genuinely sorry, if
you listen to the show you probably know how I stand on the
care ruler thing in the 1st place, but I apologize.
I genuinely I'm not trying to make anyone feel stupid, I just

(45:52):
don't agree with it. Yeah, exactly.
And when we do make fun of it, we're more trying to make fun of
the folks who would otherwise make you feel bad for not
thinking the same as them. They just kind of get in your
face about it as like, well, it's just supposed to be fun.
We love the same show. Stop, stop.
And now if you get in my face, maybe I'll maybe I'll throw a
little insult here and there andjust in good fun while you take

(46:13):
it very, very seriously. And I'll be like, oh, what about
Daryl and Aaron? How about that?
That was my favorite show, by the way.
That was that was honestly a genuine thing that was going to
happen at one point. I mean as somebody what say that
again? You.
Understand with. You, I'm agreeing with you.
I'm saying that I thought that was something that was actually

(46:34):
going to happen. Feelings or a thing that you
just the. Way they were kind of like that.
You were great. Aaron was kind of interacting
with Darrell and bringing him into his house and stuff like
that. But I mean, obviously he was
with Eric at the time, having read the comics that Eric dies,
are they planting those seeds and move forwards?
I mean, you never know, but obviously that didn't happen.

(46:54):
Right, the bad part about that was and just I know we're going
on a side tangent, but I understand.
Finally, like years later after having my ship being ruined,
Aaron and Ezekiel Aaron sorry aniron is well I just named a
completely random ship Aaron andJesus.
Dave's just shipping Aaron and everyone.

(47:15):
Like 1 doesn't love Ross Marquanthough.
What is? What is Aaron's turn?
I thought it was. Going to be a three-way with
Jesus, Aaron and Daryl at one point and then Jesus dies.
I'm like, well, Daryl pick up the pieces.
Daryl and Aaron OK because Daryl's a tabula rasa.
But then I realized many years later today, oh, how would the
ladies feel about this? Because that's the key demo of

(47:37):
this. Yeah.
If Daryl and Aaron were happy, then I would be all for it You.
You would. You're a great person.
That's like go for it, guys. Which brings us back to Carol
and Antonio, doesn't it? They've basically pit you and
your feelings about what you want versus what would be best

(47:58):
for the character, what's hypothetically best for the
character for her happy ending. And now it's like, OK, if you
don't want this to work, you're a bad person.
You're a bad person. After after losing everything
and everyone, her children, her spouse, her fantasy spouse is
what Rachel would say about Ezekiel, which I say it was a
legit spouse six years a relationship does a marriage

(48:20):
make I think personally. Yeah, I think so.
So you can stick that and pipe and smoke it, but losing all
that after losing a child, right?
The thing that we often talk about for some reason.
So yeah, happy ending for her. And her children are half
cousins. OK, let's move on to the

(48:41):
flashbacks. I have a bunch of screenshots,
by the way, but I wanted to showthis first right before it goes
into the flashback. You see this clock.
And I thought it was kind of cool.
I thought maybe you guys would appreciate it too.
First of all, it is 5:50 AM, so Daryl and Roberto coming back
with the rudder, realizing that Hussein is gone, it's really

(49:03):
early in the morning, etcetera, etcetera, whatever.
But I like the keys on top of this.
I didn't do any research on this, but look at the keys that
are on top of the clock now. It's 7 keys.
There's a little biblical meaning to that.
Several keys, 7 keys, several meaning many.
The key to unlocking your memories.
There's there's a little bit of play on that.
What door are we opening here toDarrell Pass that connects us to

(49:25):
this narrative? And this is what you see next.
The dart board on the side of the Dixon trailer with Darrell
being. It's not.
It's actually next to it becausewhen it pans out, that's in the
background and Daryl comes out of the door on the side.
I thought the same thing when itwas zoomed in on it and then as
it moves forward it's not. Daryl's motorcycle and training
there in the front. Yeah, there you go with a little

(49:48):
banana seat. I know I love the banana.
Slugs the little banana Slugs banana seat.
Little. Streamers so cute.
Then there's this like stuffed animal, which I thought I could
figure out what this was actually, and that's the gorilla
from Showbiz Pizza. Yeah.
OK, so let me explain to the podcast audience.
It's a stuffed gorilla with yellow fur, darker white.

(50:11):
It's yellow. Yellow.
No, it's not the showbiz pizza gorilla.
He's in a talks. Anyway, yeah, it's wearing like
denim overalls was really like avelvet and a white or denim hat.
I thought it was one of the Hanna Barbera characters like.
Manila Gorilla. Gorilla, yeah, but it's not.
No, and I wanted to say the nameof the showbiz Pizza gorilla is
Fats Geronimo. I just needed you to know that.

(50:35):
I didn't know that. What state is that chain in?
Is that in North Carolina? No showbiz was like the origin
of Chuck E Cheese. Showbiz.
Came out Chuck e cheese was was first.
The guy that worked with the guywho started Chuck E Cheese
didn't like the way it was going, so he split off and made
his own copy of Chuck E Cheese. And we had Showbiz Pizza in

(50:56):
North Carolina because I went toShowbiz Pizza and Chucky.
Cheese. Yeah, we had both in
Jacksonville. I can picture the purple tickets
or whatever from Showbiz Pizza. No, no, this one reminds me kind
of of Donkey Kong, like 80s Donkey Kong because it's got
like the hat on and the. Overalls, well it's modeled
after one of those big apes but definitely not that.
Be like Donkey Kong Junior if anything.

(51:17):
But not it's definitely not thatbecause they didn't wear clothes
the the Kongs until much later until the N64 iteration which is
already like 30 years after. Don Yeah, that's right.
He used to just have a tie. Donkey Kong Junior or Oh, well,
he ends up wearing a tie, but hedoesn't have it in the original
game. Yeah, anyway.
But you can see Darrell behind the stuffed animal.

(51:37):
There's a little truck in the foreground and an ashtray,
obviously. Obviously an ashtray in the
foreground as well. The what?
Do you mean that looks like a candy dish?
You know candy. Oh, no way.
I think that is Daryl. Maybe It looks like a child's
hand. Yeah, I thought it was Daryl.
Yeah. OK, all right, so let's move on
to the next slide and obviously Daryl running away.
Now, I know the screenshot you're referring to was when he

(51:59):
exits the trailer, which is a hard 1 to get for me.
I really mostly wanted to get a good shot of his face so we can
see it's the same kid from the flashback from last episode.
Yeah, of course. I also love how the hubcaps, now
that I'm looking at this properly for no other reason at
all, how chromatic everything looks.
You do see the cooler that I mentioned when we saw the first

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flashback, when they're in the first episode, it's kind of like
a highlighter green. But then if you look at the
hubcaps, instead of like Gray oryellow or whatever, they're this
chromatic blue. I'm referring to this here.
So that was weird. So there's definitely some color
messing around with here or I don't know, maybe it's just the
way it looks. And I also love the turtleneck

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on top of the turtleneck. Half turtleneck with a full
turtleneck that Daryl's running away with.
I. Found a gorilla that's very very
very similar in overalls. It seems to just be like a very
generic vintage toy. I see tartan overalls instead
of. Yeah, no, I know.
But it looks very close, very similar, Yeah.
That's what you sent me just now.
That looks way close, closer to what we're talking about.

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Well because it's got the two wobbly eyes which the original
has like yeah one eyes is like askew.
Just seems to be a generic gorilla toy from the 70s ish
era. Wow, let me do the description
of this one too. It's vintage brown gorilla and
tartan overall soft plush toy. Let pleather face, hands, feet
which I noted it was looked verypleather.

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Unbranded year 1980 so they knowthat much.
Animal Gorilla definitely have the right eyes.
But if it's unbranded, then it'sjust like some generic like
vintage toy that somebody found at a shop and like included in
this shot. OK, so we saw the flashback and
we've been seeing a bunch of flashbacks for the last few
episodes. I wanted to get your take on
what you think they start to mean.

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How does this connect to the narrative that we're watching?
How does Daryl's pass of runningout of the house?
Clearly he's been running away from his dad's beatings and he's
been running away. I think that's the thing that we
need to focus on is him running away from his problems and them
being there, probably when he gets back or who's been taking
the beatings for him. But Merle.
I'm not 100% sure, but Merle is considerably older than Darrell,

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I think canonically old enough that there's like a fair
difference because Darrell mentions that Merle left him
behind. I assume Merle 1718 hit the
bricks and when that happened Darrell's there maybe 11/12/13.
Young enough, five years or moreage difference that he would be

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left alone with his father. It's hard to tell with kids
because when they hit like that age and you're like, you're 16,
how can you drive? You look like a baby.
Anyway, all this to say that I feel like this might be that in
between time, because this is when Daryl's getting the brunt
of everything. His mom has died, he's with his
dad, Merle's gone. The only person to take the

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beating is Daryl. At this point, yeah, and we
didn't know the black guy which he had a problem with the font.
And that's your pirate font. And that's when we know that
he's running away a lot into thewoods.
Not anywhere in particular, justrunning into the woods to get
away from his dad. I can't say that that's 100%
true. That's the feeling I get from

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these flashbacks. That correlates then to Daryl
feeling like he's been left behind.
We talked briefly about, I thinkin the last season about Daryl's
mom. We don't hear a lot about his
mom until I think Beth and he have time together in the fifth
season. Was it?
I believe so were you? Sure about when his mom died,

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when he's talking to Carl after Lori passed.
You're right, thank you Rob. That's the only time we really
hear about cause the stories with Beth are about how his dad
is drunk. Just like, not great stories,
but Daryl's past is tragic. Just horrifically sad.
But why do I bring that up though?
Because she is out of the picture, leaving him and his

(55:52):
father. And obviously Merle's out of the
picture, like you said. So they're they're alone
together. And what does a miserable,
miserable father do to a child? Well, let's not forget either
the story that he tells about William Dixon and how his dad,
you know, his grandfather died and so that made his dad
miserable. And so then his dad made him
miserable. And it's all about breaking that

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generational trauma. That was a big piece of this.
There's the generational trauma aspect.
How do you get Darrell out of this funk so that he can be the
right guy for when he does get back to him?
Like, cuz right now, he's not the right guy for Laurent.
He doesn't want to help others. He's not.
He's like shutting himself off. That's not who Laurent needs as
a father figure. So if that's who he's supposed

(56:35):
to be, then he's got to work through whatever this is.
But there's also this. Concept.
Yes. There's also this concept of
being left behind though, which I think is why Daryl always has
such visceral reactions. Two people dying and he blames
himself because it's all linked to this, like childhood trauma
of like being left behind, like his mom died, then Merle leaves

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and he's left to deal with all of this sadness essentially is
what I would call it. And grief, because that's all
his dad feels. Anger and.
Grief being the last man standing.
Yeah. Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, I think it ties that all kind of together.
I feel for him in this season. And here's the thing I said this
last episode, he's not been wrong with anything that he

(57:20):
said. I think it's easy for us to be
like, well, he's supposed to be the good guy.
He's supposed to be the hero. He's supposed to help, but like
that's not your burden to bear all the time to like step in and
be the hero and the martyr all of the time.
And if you get into that like self sacrificing mentality,
that's like so bad for your mental health.
Now, mental health in the apocalypse is next to nothing

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because like, really, what kind of mental health can you have
when? To make it up or walk away.
But he's not wrong to say I don't have to take on these
other burdens because, you know,Roberto's like, she wouldn't be
gone if you had brought us back here.
Yeah, because you'd both be dead, dude.
Wait, so you mix that with Frontier Justice because there's
no, we make up the rules. The only thing that exists is

(58:04):
what we make up along the way. However, I I do kind of have to.
I don't want to push back too much.
Well, go ahead because. Because there's two things.
There's two things at play here.1 is, I'll start softly and say
I don't think it's about right or wrong, OK, We make it up
along the way. Technically, I'm not beholden to
any of anybody. I'm not responsible.
Like there's Samaritan laws for a reason.

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But then there's also like, screw you, I don't have to save
anybody, whatever. I'm not telling you what I
believe. I'm just saying here's what's
out there. But then there's frontier
justice. It's like, OK, well, if I stick
my neck out, my head could be lopped off.
That's true too. But the other part of it is,
aren't we a little bit responsible over one another as
a species or as a people or as ahumanity, as a society on a
level? How are we going to move on

(58:46):
without that? Depends on your base viewpoints
truly. Well, as a person I want to do
the right thing. I assume that I would want to do
the right thing and want would want to help people.
But it where do you draw the line?
There's a saying you can't pour from an empty cup.
Yes. So if you don't have the
bandwidth to give somebody, thenyou don't have it to give.

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If you don't have it to give, what do you do?
Yeah, I see stray dogs all the time on the street, and now you
know how many times I want to stop and get them, but I can't
because I don't have the bandwidth or the energy or the
space to deal with more than what I already have.
Yeah. I want to do it, but I can't.
You can want but not have the ability to provide.

(59:26):
Yeah. And that's the big difference,
ability versus desire. I would say to that point,
charity, like Darrell's Cup is empty.
It's not to say that it's going to be empty forever.
He can't pour because he just lost Isabel.
And I get it. Like for us, this big passage of
time has happened. Obviously you just said earlier
forgot her name because there's been months in between, but this

(59:48):
is happening back-to-back for Daryl like he just lost her.
See, this is this is the thing that I do get emotionally.
He's not capable. This is what I was saying.
Also, I'm so sad that it was notwith you guys in the last
episode because I did say ritualoffering when it came to the
Rubik's Cube in the Saint John'smemorial thing of the Saint
James. James, James.
James. But given our conversation now,

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it feels like it's more like what you were saying.
I'm not really the man that can be Laurent's father, really,
technically, if you want to put it that way, like found father.
Well, Antonio was to Roberto for, if our theory is correct,
found father. So maybe he isn't ready.
Maybe he's leaving the Rubik's Cube to say, well, he'll just
get a new one, a better one, a better me when he gets there,

(01:00:31):
too. Yeah, but again, Daryl, he has
some of the worst self talk. He thinks he can't be the guy
for Laurent, but Laurent connected with him and that's
who Laurent wants to be around. And so in that regard, if that
kid feels safe with you in a world like this where like
nothing feels safe, then just bethe dad, dude.

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But I get it, because Daryl was always like, I'm going to mess
everything up. That's and that's all he ever
tells himself, because I can only assume that that's what he
was growing up hearing from his father.
You mess everything up. You can't do anything, right?
Because that's what it's like like when you're in an abusive
domestic situation. There's what we want and what
you what we could have as well. I think that's a reality as

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well. He can't be literally be there
for Laurent, but he knows tons of people who can be.
That would be not. He's not thinking maybe better,
but they happen to be there and they're going to be either good
enough or better in different ways.
I also think that he wants to get home because he wants to get
to Laurent. Yeah, like part.
Of the reason he is so I want togo, I want to go, let's go home,

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let's go home is because he has this obligation.
He wants to be with Laurent and that is driving him to the point
that he doesn't want to get involved with anybody else.
He can't afford the luxury of getting involved with other
people because he wants to get back to basically his son, who

(01:01:56):
not only does he love him anyway, but they told Fede, you
have to take care of Justina. You know, take care of her after
we're gone, whoever they are. It's the same thing with Laurent
and Daryl and Isabel. Isabel, you have to take care of
Laurent. So he can't face anything with
Isabel because he's not even doing what she asked.
He's not with Laurent taking care of him.
So he wants to go. He does not want to be involved
with anybody else. He wants to go take care of his

(01:02:19):
business. So I'm going to lightly disagree
only because I would normally say two things can be true.
Oh, it could be true that he wants to get home for Laurent,
but it's the thing I'm about to say.
I actually think it's closer to what Bridget says.
I get involved, somebody gets killed about our people actually
in general, but more Daryl's self aware at least of one thing

(01:02:41):
and that's I get involved, people get killed.
Look at Cooper bananas and Cooper.
I brought it up when I was bringing up the comparisons
between Negan and all because our maybe like subconsciously
he's seeing the similarities to this guy and Negan and he
doesn't want what happened to Glenn to happen again, get
involved and cause somebody elseto be killed by a Negan like

(01:03:02):
figure. There's even recent stuff like
Julian even or but you're sayinga Negan like a malevolent
figure. I see what you're saying, but
I'm just saying you're I'm closer to that being the reason,
a negative reason rather than a positive reason.
Like Laurent to run to get home.I feel like he just wants to go
home because that is reverting to your default state or at
least your newfound default state.

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I'm here, but as long as I am here, I'll get people killed and
hurt. I don't either either be a
chance to fall in love with another Isabel, let's say, or to
find another child whom I might befriend and be be a surrogate
father. I don't want anybody.
I just want to be left alone. Don't we also all just want to
go home? Yes, that's mostly it.
You're on vacation, you're having a great time, but I can't

(01:03:45):
wait to get home. I want to get home and for no
other reason than I just want itright.
Even though home may not be the best place for him, right and
he's. Well, it's not like he's having
a great vacation or anything. He didn't choose to go there
either. It's not like he was like, oh,
I'm going to go to Spain and France and hang out.
No, he was basically kidnapped and forced to go, and he just

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wants to go home. That brings me to what Valentina
says to Carol. Though.
You could come with us. Don't you miss the sea?
Don't you miss the way you used to live your life?
Wasn't it amazing? And Valentina says, quite
frankly, no. I was alone and now I'm not.
The Walking Dead universe makes it so you could be the person
you were meant to be. And now she has many husbands,
let's say. We'll just call it that.

(01:04:29):
Well, she says she's alone, so they're not husbands.
She well she says she like livesalone so she wants her space.
This is just like a. Right, Right.
OK. Yeah, OK. touché, touché.
But she says my life is different now.
I read that as to pretend otherwise would be not being
true to myself, not being the person I was meant to be.
Let's just say that's not me anymore.

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And so I took that as a cue for both Daryl and Carol.
Daryl, you're not that person anymore.
You're not the person who runs away from his problems.
You're not the person who, when you get hurt, you're not that
kid anymore. You're not the person that when
you were, when you were going toget hurt or threatened, that you
ran away into the woods for until it died over and then he

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wanted your father wanted you back again, or who knew what I,
I don't know, nuanced thought. But you're the guy who rushes
into things. You're the guy who stands up and
defends things. It's what we, the audience,
expect of you. Because The Walking Dead
universe made you into the person you were meant to be.
Instead of getting an Officer Friendly's face, you changed.
You decided to be a different person than people even expected

(01:05:34):
you to be. By the way, Rick was very much a
moral replacement for Daryl, BigBrother figure, the brother he
was meant to be, because he still thinks Rick is dead.
So you grew up and you didn't have to rely on Merle anymore.
You are moving past the point ofhaving to rely on Rick.
Even the memory of Rick, that's also true, and this whole series

(01:05:55):
could be seen as him learning tolet go of that idea that you
don't need to rely on or lean onsomebody, or even the memory of
somebody. You have your own drum to beat.
Then you can be a leader. Like Carol told you in Season 2.
You're just as good as these other guys because that's what
she tells them. You're just as good as them,
every bit as good as Shane and Rick.
Better than Shane, obviously, because you didn't try to kill

(01:06:17):
your best friend. He ain't here right now.
I'd argue better than Rick as well in many areas yeah, he's a
tabalo rasa. Of course he can be.
He's the potential to be way better.
He's no comic, but Gloria to back him up.
This is something I also wanted to mention.
This episode never felt more like a spaghetti western than
compared to the others, even though they're Barbarians.

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It's like a shootout scene and the guy in the end with the
Gatling well, and I can't wait to it's not a Gatling gun by the
way, this is very interesting weapon, but all the different
weapons well, that's. What he calls it Dave he.
Doesn't call it a Gatling gun. Yes he does.
In the show, Bette does. He calls out for the ballista.
Is that what he calls out? After the fact, when Roberto's

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like they don't do anything, he's calls it a Gatling gun.
It says it in the subtitle. Gatling gun.
Oh, OK. It's technically called the
Gardener gun. I actually.
With me, Dave, don't play. With the Gatling gun has.
One crank, but I remember. Has one crank the the gardener
gun has two. I looked it up already.
It's it's it's and the magazineson top, magazines on top.

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It's not fed through a line. And I'm just just saying we'll
get to that. We'll get to that.
Anywho, that's not the point. The spaghetti Western thing.
There's the face off the mayor and the kid get it.
They get into each other's faces.
Very spaghetti Western. Whose philosophy wins?
They're getting hijacked in the middle of nowhere.
Who's seen it? And Roberto, who stole them, who
took them away? A A bandido did and then the

(01:07:45):
yeah whatever. Bandito Bandolero, same
language, ish. I'm sorry this is so
inappropriate, but the Frito Bandito song is stuck in my head
every time. You.
Sing what is. That I'm a Frito Bandito.
I love Frito's corn chips. I steal them from you.

(01:08:06):
You don't remember? Them I know no I.
Haven't heard that in ages. Interesting.
Anyway, cut that out because I'mgoing to get cancelled.
Otherwise. Why You sang a song that exists?
Yeah. That's all.
It's your childhood nostalgia porn.
It's actually not. It's my mom's childhood.
It's from before I was born. Oh, OK.

(01:08:29):
Definitely. My dad used to sing that, yes.
It's like something our parents explains.
A lot since we touched on it. Let me show you the weapons and
what they mean. There are old weapons.
This here is a gardener gun thatFed is wielding.
How do I know that? Well I looked it up.
There is a dual hand crank, which is not typical of a, what

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did you call it, Gatling gun? Gatling gun was one of the
first, obviously created in the Civil War.
I think it was a turret gun. It's a submachine gun.
The first submachine gun that was a single crank.
Ammunition was fed into it. This has a magazine on top of
it. It's still a turret gun, but
instead of being fed it, you just pop in, pop out.
This was more handy for World War One, apparently.

(01:09:16):
I think it was. That it would be death after
using wolfing. Yeah, for kidding.
The Gardner gun was invented by William Gardner of Toledo, OH in
1874, captain of the Union Army of the Civil War.
This started evolving very quickly from the Gatling gun,
obviously. Cool.
You're seeing side shots of him feeding this thing with this
dual crank. This dual opposing crank looks

(01:09:36):
like a badass. OK, So this the submachine gun
that Daryl's wielding is there'sfour types of machine guns that
have the side fed magazine. And I think this is the the gun
he's using. It's the Owen gun.
This was invented in Australia. This is the first of its kind
compared to the other ones. One was made in England, et
cetera, et cetera. It was invented by Australian

(01:09:56):
arms inventor named Evelyn Owen.This is a guy who's named Evelyn
Owen in 1938. It looked like a stick gun.
Crazy looking. And also when I compared it to
the other types of submachine guns, this one looked the most
like it. The Owen gun.
He initially invented a turret type gun that looked like this

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side fed, etcetera. He wanted to invent something
that when you were in a Crouch position or in a sniping
position, the magazine at the bottom wouldn't get in the way,
so it was on the side so you canCrouch down with it.
That was the whole reason for it.
It's interesting. Or if you like, in a static
position or whatever. OK, this, I love this thing.
This is. Reminding me of the.

(01:10:38):
Huacha from season 11 exactly. Fede when he was calling out to
Antonio saying get the ballista.The ballista is a lot like the
Hawacha, which was in Korea. It's an ancient Greek weapon.
The initial ones that were made were kind of like the earliest
form of the crossbow. It's this huge thing, right?
The huge it kind of like the catapult that we saw in this

(01:10:59):
episode. It would be that only it holds a
big ass bolt. This version of it has multiple
bolts that you can use in a sortof rapid fire action.
It literally pushes it out instead of uses a tension
spring, it uses a how does it work?
It you pull it back, there's a torsion spring and then you let
go and it kind of pushes forward.
Instead of a rubber band effect,it pushes the spring forward.

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Yeah. I don't know if you notice, but
this is the side of you obviously, and there's like a
little thing that aims it at thetop.
You sound like a for Alfie from Christmas.
You shoot your Ryan. No, and a thing on it to aim
like a thing on it which tells time.
Yeah, exactly. That's what it reminded me.
A scope? Did you mean a scope?

(01:11:41):
Yeah, thing on the top, scope atthe top.
You didn't think of it right away.
You're like, what is the? What is that called?
No, I knew immediately because I've shot a gun before.
OK, And you waited so long to say it.
I. Thought of Ralphie a thing on on
the stock which doesn't. Have to come together.
So I don't know if you noticed when it fired, everything was

(01:12:02):
happening so fast, but it fired these six off.
It's 12 bolts. It fired these six off at 1st
and then it fired the remaining 6 off at the same.
You know, the second round. I thought it was really cool
looking, but let's go back to this.
Look at what they're firing these little hook.
Hook, they did. Yeah.

(01:12:22):
It has that like little catch atthe bottom.
So like if it if you did get impaled it would be hard to take
it out. You'd have to push it all the
way through. Because the ends have like a
kind of a hook mechanism anyway.Oh, yeah.
Let me go back to the flashback,too.
And I think there was something else I wanted to say about that.
Yeah, what you said about I wanted to mention his mom only
because there is some symmetry there.
Antonio also having lost his wife, Roberto's mom, Roberto and

(01:12:47):
Hasina running away from a situation instead of staying and
dealing with it, which Antonio kind of mentions they're mending
the fence. This is your home.
Why don't you stay and fight instead of run away like Darrell
does as a child? Lay stake to your clone.
This is a frontier. There's nothing set in stone.
We don't have to follow Al Qataror whatever.
Just stay here and make your stand.
I mean, as much as he's flaunting flaunting authority,

(01:13:08):
and Antonio doesn't want him to do that, he still wants him to
stay at home. At one point I saw Alba's mother
crying. Oh, it's in the aftermath of the
like, war or whatever, but I think Alba's holding her.
Someone is holding her. It panned so fast and I didn't
go back because it was at 6:00 in the morning or whatever when
I watched it. And it was right around the time
Feta says Antonio cleaned up theburnt, hollowed ones.

(01:13:29):
I feel like yeah, yeah. And so we quickly gloss over it
so. Yeah.
So I don't think anything happened to her as far as I
know. Because I was worried.
This is one of the show don't tells that we might have been
served better. Somebody's telling something.
Yeah. I feel like they would.
Make sense? Like more.
Prominent. If something bad had happened to
them. Exactly tell me what happened
just now. Like the one Primitivo going

(01:13:53):
like beating his chest into Daryl and burks him really
quickly so she get for showing off.
So we give her trying to be intimidating to Daryl Dixon.
He's like, I don't play any. He was behind him.
He didn't know he was there. Yeah.
It's like, it's kind of like a video game.
You know, when you sneak up on somebody trying to taunt after
you kill somebody and then Darylsneaks up behind you Mercked.

(01:14:13):
Then that's a guess. You're celebrating.
Excessive celebrating. You're saying every other
Spanish word like so meticulously and prima TiVo,
you're like El prima TiVo It's. A prima.
It's not prima TiVo. It's not the prima prima fasci.
Prima prima tivos. Oh, sorry.

(01:14:34):
Yeah, shut up. That's what I just said.
They said prima. TiVo No, I did.
Dave. I was thinking I'm making you so
you want me. To like, You want me to lean in?
You want me to lean in? OK, here we go.
Yes, well, I'm just saying be consistent in your own prima.
Tivo's attack right? Because I said did the V is Abbi

(01:14:58):
live for this? What did you guys think of this
episode? It it was definitely long and
you felt it the span of time. I was kind.
Of I enjoy a good action set piece.
I same. I was kind of like, can we get a
move on here with the story or what?
That's kind of I was kind of thesame.
As you. Truly, truly messed brains

(01:15:19):
versus. Yeah, we're like.
Like no man's please move along.And you guys are like, yeah,
they're fighting. Yeah, cool.
Guns, man. Snap it up already.
Fede, I thought. You were a mayor, but you're in
charge of this place. Oh, I did OK there.

(01:15:39):
I did want to mention one more thing.
Carol calls Daryl out that you're thinking it's a mistake.
Same mistake I made back in France.
It's the same mistake we're always.
Making kind of to your point same mistake we're always making
but shut up Bridget God you justwanted to go home to his
sweeties. All his friends struggle with
them. I.

(01:16:00):
Do. Selfish, selfish.
He needs to get back to his little ass kicker.
OK yeah, see you know what to say.
Fine, fine. But then he says.
Not a mistake. We're always fighting everyone's
fights. Sometimes we have to fight for
ourselves. Anything's worth fighting for,
isn't it? To young people that just want

(01:16:20):
to be together? How can you not?
Even care, don't you think I don't care which I was like, OK,
all right, fair. Well.
Stop acting like there's nothingwe can do.
Scene is gone. There's nothing we can do about
it. She's coming back.
Then he says, hell, none of themare coming back.
I want to know what you thought about that line because

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obviously he's in a state of mind.
This is kind of what I was saying before.
It's not about as much as about him going home as it is I just
want to go home. But none of them are coming
back. Maybe it's anybody we run into.
They're all eventually going to be.
I felt like it was anyone that they had lost, like they're not
coming back. I can't do anything to change it

(01:17:03):
now. But that's what always happens,
is I think more of what he's thinking, Like it doesn't matter
who we meet, who we save, who wedo this, who we do that, they're
all going to. Be there.
From the very beginning to now, any group that they've touched
has fallen apart. Let's go even deeper.
Isn't that kind of what Morgan was doing in The Walking Dead
flagship? I see faces of dead people, and

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it's the people who are alive. But you're already dead, is
basically what he's saying. Yeah.
You know what it is? Well, because really, for
Darrell, like, the only person who's been around since the very
beginning has been Carol. Like that, it's not only the
fact that him and Carol are close, it's the fact that Carol
has been there since before Rickwas there.
So they've been together since the beginning.

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This is the only person who has stood the test of time.
Everyone else has like fallen off.
Oh yeah, yeah. So you want to talk about
Walking Dead? I mean, if we're talking like.
First characters if we're. We're talking that's and that's
A season 2 promo. If we're talking first season,
Amy gone Andrea gone Jackie goneT Doc gone Shane.

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Rick, for all we know. Gone, Jim.
Carl. Laurie, Ed.
Good Riddance. Dale, Sophia.
Glenn Morales and his family. Berry gone.
Officially now as a big Season 8.
Berry Berry gone. The only person who's still
around the group that existed before Rick came is just Carol
and Daryl. That's it.
Everybody else falls away. It's like, what's the point of

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even getting to know you becauseyou're going to die anyway,
which is like super miserable which.
Makes my point even more hard todeal with.
It's super miserable but I you can get where he's coming from
in the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.
But there's a yes, IA 100% get where he's coming from.
But on the other hand, it's kindof like, isn't this different
Daryl? We've known this Daryl or this

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growing iteration or learning and growing iteration of Daryl
for so many more seasons than wehaven't.
That Daryl falls away in Season 2 essentially for trying his
best to find Sofia and failing to do so, even getting shot
through the stomach because he looked like a Walker collecting
all those ears as well. You can get shot the ears
grazing the head. But also didn't get a bolt

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through the stomach. No, maybe I'm wrong.
He. Fell on his bolt through his
side. Thank you, thank you.
Appreciate that. But 1/2 times or the other he
still got hurt pretty bad because he was confused.
He was that disheveled, trying his best to look for this
Walker. Well, we're sorry he's not
Walker, but what he thought. He was a Walker.
Right. Right.
And then what was that for? But he and he does feel crappy,

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but still it takes him on this journey of not being that guy
who would get in Carol's face atfirst, like kind of being mad at
her. And we kind of know why now
because his mom passed or whatever it was.
I think it was that she passed. And even though you don't want
to blame a mom that couldn't be there for you, you do feel

(01:19:51):
resentful that she died and lefthim with that guy, which is
probably him transferring his feelings to his mom.
You left her, you lost her. You're a bad mom.
So when we kind of know what he's feeling, where he comes
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we wrap up the sheer amount of burning stuntmen.

(01:21:19):
Yeah, through as a huge burn stunt. 9 burning stuntmen at the
same. It's like 1, maybe 2.
You know that what's what you usually get in a series.
I have never seen anything like that.
Game of Thrones has the record. It was like 22.
Oh wow, in the battle when Daenerys attacked the Lannister
supply train. Oh, when the.

(01:21:40):
Jamie sent saves. Broad the Dragons burned a group
of men and they set like 22 guyson fire at the same time.
They have to break. Yeah, we'll see.
And what's the difference? Whereas Game of Thrones has
millions of dollars per episode thrown at it, The Walking Dead
makes negative money trying to make their episodes.

(01:22:02):
They're in this constant runningtab at AMC.
They've got to be making something in order to keep the
show going, right they. Make it up on the back end with
all the relationships I think that they have with Netflix and
stuff. But and, and you know, AMC Plus
and whatever, etcetera, etcetera, all the licensing that
they get eventually worldwide because when the season ends,
they, they sell it to the other networks across the world.

(01:22:23):
It's cheaper anyways. I say this only because we
should be so lucky. We always say this with whatever
you feel about the series, whereit's headed, what characters do
what, and what conventions people end up going to, what
not, and whether they'll still be around.
We have to celebrate them while we can and try to as best as
possible without being too critical, bash them.

(01:22:45):
Because you can have your nitpicks, but would you rather
have it than not have it? And at what what cost?
I do appreciate you guys sticking around and I, I know we
started late and what not and, but is it 2 hours and 30 minutes
in? I'm happy.
I can't wait to see the next week.
We're going to see a pretty coolmode of transportation.
I think that why do we think of it?
No, I'm not, but I'm I'm very excited for you to see what I

(01:23:06):
saw in the teaser. If you did see it in the teaser,
how crazy is that? Is Daryl going to ride a whale
shoot? Yeah.
Oh, I got it, Yeah. You got it?
Yeah. Daryl's really the D.
In disguise, we just didn't knowit.
Deep thoughts with D with big D.If this doesn't end up taking

(01:23:26):
them to Barcelona, I would be pretty psyched if there was
something even resembling Geoffrey Grimes or the Alien.
That would be a cool fan service.
I really hope they do. Do it, You know, honestly, the
way that she said it, that it's like a friend's brother, I
assume that if they did do it, it would not be Rick's brother
and it would be some other relation to somebody else,

(01:23:48):
which. Still could be cool.
It would be like a fun little turn on it, but just because
they don't ever follow the comics like exactly.
I feel like that's how they would probably do it, but I
don't know, just. Would it be cool if they had
some of the characters, not justJeffrey Grimes, and you're in
the middle of the drama? We'll see what happens.

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Be better if they did. Be a lot cooler if you were.
I am curious to know what peoplethink about who makes it on the
boat. That's the big ticket thing I
want to get in the comments is who makes.
If there's four spots, you couldsay three people that's going to
die and Carol and Daryl are going to be the only ones that
leave. That's the way it always
happens. I think someone comes back I.

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Think they'll make a flotilla? See, I'm going the other way.
They'll make a flotilla of boatsto America that everybody have
a. Good weekend.
Hope you enjoyed this episode. Spanish.
It'd be the Spanish Armada. Exactly.
It'd be the Goonies, everybody. Although the Spanish Armada
didn't turn out too good for Spain, so maybe that's what I'm

(01:24:50):
saying. And then they go to Astoria and
then they find a cave and it's like time folds in on itself.
And that's how you get the Goonies.
I have the key to one eye, Dixon.
There you go. I can't even do the voice right
now. I can't do it.
That's the most. Posh sounding stuff I've ever
heard, how you going? So lackluster.

(01:25:11):
I'm normally quite good at it, but I can't do it right.
It's school time, eh? I'm too sick.
All right everybody, we'll see you next week and I have a good
one and I hope you enjoyed that and I really am eager to see
your thoughts and of comments and it's obviously your ratings
too. And I just realized to say
goodbye. Bye, goodbye bye.
Thank you so much for making it to the end of yet another

(01:25:31):
episode of squawking dead. This one our conversation on The
Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon's fourth episode of its third
season, titled La Hustithia Fronterita Frontier Justice.
First thing first, before we go to our acknowledgments, I wanted
to say thank you for waiting forthis episode to be released
because this week we had or I had Yom Kippur, which comes
basically a week after Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New year.

(01:25:54):
It is the Day of Atonement wherewe fast for 25 hours and is
basically lights out, which technically should be every
Sabbath. But many, many Jews of all
different stripes take this solemn holiday very seriously as
a day of reflection, of asking for forgiveness as the day of
judgment has already passed. That is actually the meaning of
our new year. The Day of judgment has already

(01:26:15):
passed and this is your chance to kind of make up for a bad
judgment that has been passed. Making things right with one
another, making things right with God.
I don't know if you could tell Iam a bit sick, a little
congested. I decided to after the fast and
after eating and after hours to get this episode out as soon as
humanly possible afterwards. So I really, really hope you

(01:26:37):
enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed the extra
content and effort that we put into it, the images, the clips
from the episode, etcetera. Especially if you're watching it
on YouTube or on Spotify video. And now you've reached the part
of the episode where we acknowledge our Whispers and
Survivors members, not in that order.
However, we don't have any survivors remember, so starting
with the first whispers to remember, we have Rob Lucasey

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who was on the episode with us, whom you can find on youtube.com
slash at robstuffandthangs. You spell out the ANDTHANGS and
you'll mostly find him on TikTokat Rob's stuff under score N as
in Nancy under score thangs, THANGS and of course, Kim dot
rally the number one on Facebook.
Thanks so much for making the end of this, and I sincerely

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