The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon |3x06 "Contrabando"

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I'm glad at least Rob's listening to me.
I'm just here to talk to Rob I. Think my goal right now is to
make Rob mad at me too. We're just mad in general.
I think Rob's too chill for thathonestly.
Yeah, I don't know you well enough to be mad at you.
I don't. Think he's a time?
Not unless you start really insulting me.

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That's hard to do. Well no, it's not about
attacking you, but it's generally finding topics to make
you mad, not. Nitpicking you into oblivion.
Basically, those are my new details about your personality
that you thought were endearing and loved by the people that
love you. No, they're not.
They're annoyances to 1. David Kimmy.

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You're ruining everything is themotto, basically.
Fine, I'll leave them. Success.
It worked. They can get Mother Teresa mad
for some reason. I don't know what it is.
It's partially because I'm Jewish.
I said partially. I didn't say completely.
She anti-Semitic. Starts higher and it spreads

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like the wildfire virus. Dead.

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Today, we're here to talk to youabout the walk into Daryl

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Dixon's sixth episode of its third season, titled
Contrabando. We do have a little bit of
housekeeping. We did a live stream of the
highlights that we took from L New York Comic Con 2025.
Wow. We broke down the news elements
that came out of The Walking Dead.
Daryl Dixon panel. The new Game of Thrones spin off

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titled A Night of the Seven Kingdoms.
The Welcome to Derry series, TheInvincible panel as well.
That was a pretty rich panel. The new Running Man movie.
Oh yeah, Glenn Powell and Coleman Domingo.
And Josh Brolin. I'd never seen the original of
that film, and I saw I knew nothing about it that Trevor
knew. You want to see that?
Movie. You should watch it before you
end up maybe watching this new one.

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Schwarzenegger, right? No, I would recommend reading
the book. It's a quick.
Read if I have time. I like very gravy though.
Is it OK? Yeah, it's a Stephen King.
Under the Richard Bachman pseudonym.
I don't really like that. I don't.
She had just to prove. Me wrong.
I just gotta go get the book. You printed a bunch of short
stories under Richard Bachman. I'll say because you'll

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criticize. Me.
It was written under Richard Bachmann.
Yeah, but the first print was Richard Bachmann.
I don't. Understand why.
There's a reason for it because it's sort of departures from
well. Because you have a theory, it's
only. It's yeah sure, it's like what,
200 some odd pages 4. 100 pages.Oh, is it 400 pages?
I know it felt sure. My theory is that he wrote a

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book under a different name to see if people would still like
his writing. The running theory if his.
Name wasn't on it. Yeah, there's like a different
genre too. It's the different style of his
writing too. Oh, definitely.
It's notably. Not supernatural, not creepy
horror, nothing. It's it's definitely different,
Yeah. He's not trying to build a a

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world, he's just giving you justenough about the world to make
you feel that it's an awful one.Yeah, I mean, the Stand wasn't
horror themed really either. No, but he built.
He he went. I remember he went into such
detail over so many different things that led up to it that
the reason why it still exists anyway.

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But yeah, read the book. Right.
Oh, it's in. The last thing was the Darius
Star Trek Universe panel, and wewent into the Mr. Balin.
Mr. Balin, No. We didn't go into that at all.
Sort of a little bit, but we didn't have too much on it.
He just wrote a book and stuff like that.
Anyway, after we record this, I'm going to trim down that
conversation and hopefully by the time you see this, that

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episode will have already released.
Currently, that live stream wenton for two hours and 48 minutes
by the numbers. We included a lot of text clips,
pictures that came out of the panels.
It's a it's a really entertaining and fun thing to
record with all of you. Live last night.
Today is Sunday, October 12th at4:36 PM.

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Just to give you context. What?
Has happened. Just to give everybody context
where we are in time, because this these episodes go out days
later, this. Is going to get cut anyway, so.
No, what? This?
Oh my. Gosh, no, because he's talking
that's. True.
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as possible. Yeah, in theaters only on

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November. November 14th or 7th, whichever.
One it is. The running the. 7th or the
14th? Yeah.
How does contraband relate to what we saw of this episode?
Drugs. Contraband.
Be specific. Them trying to get the different
drugs from Fede for Roberto. Touching.

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Roberto was also contraband. Carol was smuggling him out of
the. City touching.
Next one. Daryl tried to steal Luciano
back, who is contraband. Husseina, you mean, but
perfectly understand. Husseina yes, sorry, I get the
names Luciana. Wouldn't that be nice?

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Did she end up in Spain? Don't know, but they speak
Spanish funny here. And the rest of the Ofrenda
ladies, refugees or not? The lady that was with Husseina,
we don't know if that's Alba. Don't think it was though.
Right, Because we saw Alba. I don't think it.
Was Alba? I assumed it was a lady from
another city that they had stopped at.

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And they'll stop there along theway.
That's. Cool, my legislation.
An ofrenda every 20 miles. Through this we got defended a
proof that the Ofrenda is happening in many, many
different cities. They're taking these ladies
basically every year from each town and bringing them into El
Al Qatar, which again means the palace, the royalty.
Lia made a comment about the girl playing the guitar.

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Sandra, Yeah. That she wasn't matched.
Right, that's another little tidbit.
Yeah, that was an interesting piece of information and a a bit
of an answer almost. Well I assumed it was like he
holds court basically that you would get matched to someone
within the. Court.
Yeah. And then if you don't, then
you're unmatched and you're treated like.

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Slavery. A slave.
Yeah, yeah. There was another big, big, huge
thing which I think was very helpful to hear was that it was
only supposed to occur once. As usual when it comes to
anything of authority or anything system that you're
going to try is that once the door is open.
Well, OK, we did it once and thepeople let us do it once, right?
They take their girls, they smuggled these girls that can't

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as contraband. Well, let's do it some more.
You're OK with it the first time?
We'll give them some stuff just for the pleasure.
With it. But whatever they're using them
for worked in their favor, so that's why they're going to
continue doing it. When they created a system, it
wasn't just a one time thing. Now what I loved the most was
that in a way, every little thing that we said across many
different episodes ended up being correct.

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Even the thing about what POS says we population are some BS.
But my original theory was OK, they they're trying to make it
so that what limited people there are left in all these
different little towns and whatnot scattered across Spain.
Well, they're not marrying theircousins and stuff like that and
having babies. We're switching off people in
different cities, or at least centralizing them so that we're
not creating genetic abnormalities and stuff like

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that. Well, we don't know yet that
these women are being dropped off in these other towns.
No, not that, but at least they're somewhere else besides
where they are now. Oh.
Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, that's what I
originally said. You're right.
And no, definitely not that. It's the insidiousness of them
not being matched. It's like they have so many of
them. They're not forcing them to be

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matched with people that they that they don't want to be
matched these royalty or whatever people.
We're assuming it's royalty. I don't I don't even know if I
would say royalty, but I mean, obviously somebody that these
politicians, I mean that's what they write the.
Well, we don't even know that, right?
Matching them well for, I mean, that's just the word that I'm
going to use. We don't know, but hold on.
My mouth is getting ahead of my thoughts.

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I know where I want to go, but I'm not.
Well, they're not being there with whatever the entity is.
We'll say Al Al Qatar is like the institution, correct?
So Guillermo's the one going around and gathering up these
women, presenting them to these men, people who are helping him
in some way. Because he's vying for him in
some. Way.

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And this is his way to give backto them or make them happy in
some way, right? They're very happy to perpetuate
this system, yeah. Right.
So to not be matched. I I was under the impression
these men are choosing these women.
The women aren't choosing them. So to say they weren't matched
is sickening. She should have said she wasn't
chosen because she's not going to pick one of these.

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I can say yes. It's like you said.
I could say hey. Amazing bitch.
Looks like we have to kind of, we have to ration these, but
right, What choice does she have?
None. She was.
So you could say she has a choice, but really she shouldn't
be picky. To be picky means you end up
being a slave. Yeah, and I didn't get the

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impression that she had any say in it.
So basically she just wasn't chosen.
And then none of these men wanted her for whatever reason,
so they turned her into a slave and it was just horrible.
Still want more information and I, and I hope we get it,
whatever the answer is, is goingto be just awful.
But I would like some clarification on what the heck
is happening. I think I got enough answers

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from this episode by way of the Saint George slang, the dragon
metaphor, Because the whole ideaof that is they fed a system
that made it so that they wouldn't be oppressed, let's
say. So they kept feeding it, They
kept feeding it girls, let's say.
They kept feeding it their pliability, their the lack of
resistance. The animals.
Right, the animals once. They ran out of animals.

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They started giving women. Themselves, right?
Exactly. And one of them was Elena, the
Princess. The Princess.
And who's Saint George? But Paz?
I just love that analogy. It's great with her little whip.
It's. So you think so you think Paz is
going to be the Saint George, not Daryl?
I initially thought Daryl right but then it makes so much more
sense that it's path and she is literally a Princess in the

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story, not just a figurative oneof the next in line.
Until he is sworn as king. She is not a queen.
That sort of thing. So.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was kind of cute,
but then everything relates to that, what's happening in
Celeste Mar, that situation. But even though it directly ties
to what's happening, the drama that's happening in the Q TAD
via the old city basically is what they're referring to the

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stronghold of El Al Qatar. I really really enjoyed this
episode. I think I really liked
everything from beginning to endexcept for one thing.
I want to get mad for just a minute and then we can talk
about all the other amazing things that outweighed this one
thing that really irritated. You want to vent so I can try to
fix it, but I can't fix it. You're not going, you're not
going to fix it. You're you're there's no fixing

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this. So OK, calm down.
She's mad. She's not mad at me.
I'm just mad they set up this elaborate takedown, right?
Stop him at the checkpoint and it seems like it's going really
well. I'm all excited.
I'm like, yeah, they got the other the guys over there and
they're shooting out and everything is going really well.
And then ultimately, we know they don't get Hostina, which,

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first of all, I'm like, wow, So this whole thing was for
absolutely nothing. Guillermo's still alive,
Hostina's still trapped. But this story's got to go on,
All right? Frustrating, but on purpose.
OK, The gate opens and they start driving through, right?
The first car with Guillermo andElena are in there.
And then puzzles like, oh, no, they're dude, they're driving
away. We got to stop them and then the

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truck with Christina and it starts driving away.
Who's driving that truck and whyis PAWS not shooting them?
It's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point.
You're. Saying.
Because they messed up. She was standing.
Right, easily shooting every take out the driver or
distracting the driver. Of.
The truck honestly probably for the best though because of all
the dead coming out. Probably would have been worse

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to be locked in that cage and then them not be able to get to
it. I do see what you're saying and
it is frustrating. Because if they shoot the
driver, the truck stops the deadapproach the entrance and even
if you get the thing open, then they're.
Well, I know Hoistina and her her friend are trapped in this
cage. That's not Obviously not.
Being able to, so probably, I guess it had to go that way
because otherwise they're trapped in the middle of a

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horse. But in the moment, I'm like,
shoot the driver. Yeah, no, I get that you're
saying. Shoot the driver, jump in the
cab, drive away. That lock was so rusty, how
could he not get it? But they messed up, so they made
a wrong choice. They could have went for the
driver, but instead they chose to OK, if we can get just get
her out, then she'll be out and they'll move on, right?
They'll just go away. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because they need to save themselves.
It happened this way. And Rachel, you said this is to
further the plot, but it's so that Elena becomes the target of
rescue as well, because otherwise they get Hasina and
then they're like, all right, let's go.
And that's kind of the end of it.
And ultimately, I don't know, I'm going to ask this.
Maybe you feel the same way, maybe you don't.
I feel like Elena is not going to want to leave I.

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Thought the same thing. Given the opportunity, it'll be
like an Andrea and the Governor moment.
She'll have the opportunity to Nix him and she won't do it
because she reaps a lot of benefit from being with him.
Whereas yeah, it may not be ideal, but there is such a thing
as Stockholm syndrome. That's and you've been with him
for a long time. It's less about benefit than it
is sympathizing for with your captor or something to that

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effect. We don't know.
What kind of person she is either.
All we know is this romanticizedversion of her that pops pause
is giving us a good point. We don't actually know what kind
of person she is. She could be a horrible person.
We don't know. That's a really good point.
Pauses and seniors. She's helping to talk people
into being happy about giving their daughters away.
Granted, yes, she's in that situation.
She has to. And in this kind of system,

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like, who's to say that? Well, we make up the rules
Frontier justice. The second she steps out of
line, well, I'll just get another one.
I'm next in line. I could do whatever I want.
The way Fed is acting in this episode, as long as he doesn't
have something to hold over you,he can do whatever he wants.
You leave town, you do this, youdo.
Antonio, shut up because I have something to hold over your
head, Mom, shut up. I don't love anybody else but

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you. That sort of thing.
What a. Weird thing to say to your mom
and also your mom didn't like it.
No, that's a cultural thing. I I.
Know for a fact your mom didn't like that because in theory
you're like, oh that's sweet, but it also means that you're
going to be alone forever and your mother doesn't want that if
your mother truly loves you and doesn't have some sort of weird
attachment issue. There's the irony, isn't it?

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Because. She's going to want you to be
with somebody. When you don't say that your mom
would want that, but when you dosay that your mom's like, OK,
this is it's, it's better when Ichase you, son.
It's gotten weird. Then when you admit out loud
that you don't need anybody elsebut me, OK, rejection.
You're the only one I need to love me.
Whoa. And isn't that part of the

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reason why she helps Carol too, on top of the fact that he made
her attend to Gemma when she didn't need to?
There was that extra bit of like, this is weird, a man
should want to be with a woman, that sort of thing.
I think it has more to do with the fact that she knows that he
has been lying as well and she knows that he's poisoning
Roberto. She is there to take care of

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people. And then also Christina was sent
away on purpose by him and she'sfinding all this out at once.
Like that would be enough for meto be like, dude, take all the
medicine you need. Take everything because of what
is happening. My son is acting horrible.
Having that scene beforehand where he says, oh, I don't need
anybody but you. But then all this other stuff,
basically just everything liningup to to where she would believe

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what Carol said because it's hismom.
She has no reason to believe this random stranger.
But all these little things likethe compass necklace, oh, he had
it with him before she left. That's all these little things
that don't quite add up lead to the well.
She knows that he's a liar, that's why she's so defensive
and says he's not a liar. He is though.
I totally thought from the last episode when she brought him the

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necklaces, she was well aware ofwhat happened to Justina, the
whole truth. And she was trying to protect
him, be like, hey, they know. And so when she was confronting
Carol, I thought she was totallyjust going to be like, yeah, I
know, I don't care. Keep the gun.
On I'm like that they didn't, but she didn't immediately
believe her. I love that because then that's
it's like, OK, I believed him when he told me.
Oh, he had it on her because whywould he lie to me?

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He's my son. That makes so much sense.
I love that there's that little bit of, well, a little bit of
doubt. Who's this random bee?
See, I said, see sparingly. Got to use sparingly.
There's a lot of references to water in this episode, too.
Laughter was described as the literal versus the metaphorical.
Literally the fall they call Qaeda, but they call the river

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of the dead that surrounds Huitad.
How do you say that again? I don't know because city is
Ciudad, it must be different in Spain.
Spanish. That word is Catalan, the Basque
language. OK.
Cudad via, that's what it is. So the river, the river of the
dead that's surrounding the town.
So they pronounce the CU as Q instead of.

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It would be Ciudad in Spanish, so the CU is AQ cudad.
Lariada means the flood again. A lot of water references in
this episode too. So there's like the flood of the
dead or Blackwater as well. Blackwater meaning so deep it's
dark and then the red lights andeverything like that.
It does look like a kind of a a river that surrounds the town, a

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Moat that. Was very cool imagery.
They call them the insatiables, yeah.
Another word for walkers? Cuerca.
No Los huecos like stop. Trying to make it sound like pig
because it's safe. It reminded me of.
La puerca. Eggs.
It's Cerdos Los Insatiable. Is that right?

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Yeah. We're just like, let's let it
go. It's.
Fine anyway. Yeah, I'm tired of arguing.
No, no. I'm not sure actually.
No, it was fine. It was fine.
Talk about something fun like. OK, let's talk about the main
thing. Kissing Antonio.
No, let's not go there. We're going to go there.
Let's save that. Let's save that for last.
Oh, you want to start with the shower?
Hell yeah, I want to start with the shower.

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It was funny. We needed we needed some levity.
Oh my God, dude, we ever. I loved it because what is the
first? Thing we see Carols doing her
Carol thing of skulking around. Just let's see what's happening
here. What can I steal?
Exactly. Creep stealing a peak is.
What she's doing. Come on man.

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Like, oh, I'm, I'm still not used to people being around.
Dude, it's been a minute. They've been there.
They've been there. Also, you're showering.
In the middle of like a Plaza? What do you mean to be fair?
He has it all to himself, so he's used to being outside the
main town area, Darrell and Carol.
Have been there for a minute that would have flown like the
next day but not this far into it.

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Well, you're not showering every.
Day too, so of course I could see him forgetting.
Literally, you're not showering every day in the apocalypse.
He's like, that's a commodity. Oh yeah, once a week.
You're not showering right now. But you're taking a horse bath
in the bathroom. OK.
Mm. Hmm.
Well. Then maybe that once a day.
Yeah. Other than that, that's what
you're doing. Once a day.
I mean, if you're capable of doing that once a day, then the
scene. Progresses.

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I'm I was looking for a screwdriver.
Quote UN quote. Oh no.
She pauses. There's a clear pause just
looking for a screwdriver. It's like when you think.
You were trying to find the nameof any other tool, but the one
that's staying in your head is the one that you say that you
knew you weren't supposed to say, but you end up saying
that's what she said. She's like, don't say.

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Screwdriver. Don't say screwdriver.
Screwdriver. Yeah, damn.
Damn it. So many tools, him offering her
the shower when I'm done, when? I'm done.
That was the best part. Yeah.
It's still warm. If you want, if you want to
shower also, maybe you want to. I love that you like to have a
shower like such a face. She's like.

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Walk away. After I finish it.
Was great, so cringe. Love it.
I should mention in the episode or Insider TM Bridget on that
specific thing. Norman says to open that up.
Carol thinks it's nice here. Maybe she could settle here, OK,
Melissa says. That shower scene was cute.

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It was fun to shoot. And he's awfully brave because
that water was very cold, not warm.
And we did take after take aftertake.
Poor guy, Zabel said something very.
Interesting about that scene. That didn't occur to me.
They basically wanted to have that scene not just because of
the levity factor but also inverting the male female roles
normally be the man's creeping up on the woman sort of

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situation, the male also the creep up on him.
I mean, she was, she was a creep, didn't.
Carol is a born creep. What?
She should be rude. And.
Also. No, she should.
You are wrong. Sexual predator.
Somewhere stop. She was.
Very shocked that was not her creeping up on him.

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One half dozen to. The other, you know what I'm
saying? End result, it's what happened.
I'm just kidding. Anyway, he's not on purpose.
No, of course not. I'm just, you know, effing
around with you, he said. It's also like the male body
being exposed, idolized over thefemale one.
There's also the cultural difference between Americans and
the Europeans, the American modesty versus the cultural

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openness of nudity in European sensibilities.
Little culture clash there. Create some fondness also gives
you a. Pretty detailed look of how bad
his scarring is going down his body as well.
Good to know for later on. Too gives gives you context for
when it actually happens. Oh boy.
Great makeup work by the way. That and what we end up seeing

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later, yes. Very cool stuff.
What did you think about the? Found footage, flashback E,
dream sequency stuff. I know some people don't like
that. Which part?
Well, there's so many. Are you talking about?
Antonio's or are you talking about Daryl's?
Oh, I'm just talking about. Antonio's, that's the only found
footage because you said even when you get to see at the end

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what ends up happening, that's not part of any found footage,
correct? No, Antonio's found, basically,
which is why I had to kind of phrase it like that.
It's OK 'cause it was. Still the apocalypse it was at
the very beginning. That's how they got away with
it, yeah. That's how they got away with.
It Gimple made sure 'cause when it started and it went to him
being like in it, I was like, oh, that's weird.
We don't get flashbacks. This is a no flashback show.

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I was like, oh man, he's going to think she's alive and she's
not going to be. And then it was exactly what
happened, which is to have your like hope restored and then
immediately yanked away, which I'm sure happened to a lot.
Of people that's been explored before.
I didn't think we'd even. Get that scene?
I had a sneaking suspicion that it might have been around that

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time, but when we actually saw the non found footage version of
it I was like Oh no it was confused.
Yeah, because when I saw Roberto, I was like, oh, he's
older than I thought he would bewhen his mom died.
This must be the beginning. The more I think.
About these episodes, I think about The Walking Dead, Dead
City. When we first started the
season, the first few episodes we saw Victor, the violin

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player. There's Mahina Napoleon who
plays Ginny, there's the girl from the Scavenger people in
Central Park and how they were such and such age when the
apocalypse happened and grew up in it.
Kind of like Carl. But I remember making that
comparison. And then what is all this for if
not for them? And yet they're dying left and
right. Well, the same thing here you

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have Hustina and Roberto, and what is all this for?
What is the future for if not for them?
We have to get leave something to a future generation to carry
on this struggle. And yet we're using them.
We're killing Roberto. We're poisoning Roberto.
We're taking Hasina away. We might do something terrible
with her. We might do something terrible
with Paz. Paz has left her dead.
She's also a young person who grew up in this nonsense.

(25:50):
The high school student, maybe alittle after they found each
other in high school. I think it was that she said.
Yeah, she said high school. It's.
Been. On my mind, the last few
episodes of the season of The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon, how
there is a bit of play between the two spin offs, how the old
people keep things going right. We even said this in the second
episode, how Daryl and Carol were willing to kill these two

(26:12):
kids or whatever or Daryl at least, sorry, just to get the
food S that they could get home like just sacrificing the young
to get to where they want to go.But then what is all this for?
It's something to keep in mind as we reach the end of this
season. I think these things are going
to be coming up with every otherspin off that we see.
I think too, is how do we pass on the torch from the people

(26:33):
we've seen and grown to love over time to a younger
generation? Even if we don't see the younger
generation again, we have this knowledge that they'll move on
and go on and do good cool things like they can't all die
in the next episode, let's say. Like we can't keep introducing
people that end up dying and we didn't lose Falu, let's say.
And that Lady who we in our heads think, oh, they now
they've grown old together and they're in love forever, maybe,

(26:56):
maybe at least. One person died that we were
just introduced to, so some of the formula has stayed, yeah.
Olaya. Right, Nerea is the girl that
Paz Paz and. Naria went back into Barcelona
to look for Elena after she was taken in the Ofrenda right, and
then Nerea. Stayed with Khalid, right?
Khalid. The central nerve of the Antonio

(27:16):
found footage is the monologue he gives to his son, Little
Roberto. We got him.
I love how it links to present day because they're in this
area, which I'll get into later and in present the Ofrenda
refugees are there too. He says to little Roberto.
No, Dragons only exist outside of the city.
Once Upon a time, a fierce dragon terrorized the town.

(27:37):
Transitions to present, Antonio speaking clear.
It was so hungry that in order to keep him outside the walls,
they decided to give him an animal to eat every day.
And when they ran out of animalsto give him, well, the town had
no choice to send someone chosenby the draw like the Ofrenda.
And it turned out to be the Princess.
The dragon arrived breathing fire.
The Princess was sure her time had come until Saint George
arrived. Shows Daryl trying to get
through the gate. So we're led to believe it's him

(27:59):
visually at the same place. Too.
Yeah, at the same. Place exactly.
And it also transmissioned back to the flashback video again
with his sword he killed the dragon and of its blood it's not
a single rose, it's a rose Bush.But he gives a single rose to
the Princess. In the actual Catalan story, by
the way, this is Saint Geordie, St.
George's Day. It's the equivalent of

(28:19):
Valentine's Day. St.
Geordie is the patron St. of theBasque people.
One gives on April 23rd a singlerose, the seneta, which is the
Catalan flag and an ear of wheatto the one they love on Saint
George's Day. And it celebrates the triumph of
good over evil and life over destruction.
Life springs from a place of death, let's say.
What? Isn't that The Walking Dead?

(28:43):
Saint Geordie is the patron St. of Catalan since 1904.
There's a lot of Catalan Basque influence throughout this
episode, which makes sense. Because of the tie to the
revolution right and the separatists.
And all that stuff. Why I bring this up is because
between the setting and the story, goodness.
Or something springing up from death.

(29:03):
Remember, the world beyond was kind of like that too.
Beauty in the darkness. I like that this theme is coming
up again. I was more.
Paying attention to Fede's reaction to Antonio watching it.
Yeah, the reaction he had when he came into the room.
So we find out this episode, thething that Fede's holding over
Antonio is it's complicated. How Maria?

(29:25):
Died. Antonio feels responsible.
I don't know that I would say it's his fault because I don't
think he put the bomb in the car, but but he definitely feels
responsible. And for some reason, Antonio
didn't tell Roberto that his momdied in an explosion.
Question mark or. Didn't tell him that.

(29:46):
He felt like it was his fault. So Fede is holding this
information over his head. I'm going to tell Roberto that
it was your fault you got his mom killed, essentially.
Sure, I'm going to guess. That he just said that she died
because of the fall, because it was the same.
Day, right? Because it was the same day.
So that she she turned so he could have said that she was bit
or anything else and he could have but.

(30:07):
I don't know. I mean, now that we know the
what I mean, I can't put myself in Antonio's place, obviously,
but I almost feel like the truthis better than the lie.
I don't disagree. Yeah.
No, they're. Standing up for what?
They believed in, I mean, yes, she didn't want to be there at
that particular moment, but it sounded like she still at least
believed in what they were doingin general.
She didn't want to be at that specific spot, but she died

(30:30):
fighting for something she believed in.
I don't see why that's such a terrible thing to No, she
didn't. Believe.
She had literally said she. Felt like it wasn't right to
give voice to terrorists. Also that's.
Not the only thing going on here.
I mean, it's very obvious. I'm not saying anything that
everybody doesn't already know, but clearly Fede was in love
with Maria, that is. Very.

(30:51):
Much so yes, I was very. Uncomfortable watching him pet
the picture, I felt like Carol perving.
On the situation. I don't know what the actual
relationship was. It could have been him, right,
unrequited. It could have been that they
dated and they broke up and he never got over it.
But I think from Fede's perspective, he now believes

(31:12):
like, OK, well, Antonio, you were responsible for her death.
And even though Antonio probablyin the back of his mind is like,
well, I didn't put the bomb there, You know, he's going to
blame himself because he was there and he pushed her into it.
Then on top of that, now you've got this guy who's like, Oh
yeah, definitely you got killed.Because in Fede's mind, if he
was with Maria, he would have protected her.
He would have made sure she didn't get hurt.

(31:33):
And instead she goes off with Antonio and she dies protected.
She would never. Been in this to begin with
because clearly he does things to keep people safe.
Makes trade-offs specifically for it too willing to be pliant
to get the things that he wants to.
It's revolutionary versus it's weird because.
I'm still not ready to write offFeta 100% yet.

(31:55):
They've written this character to be too compelling for me to
be like, yeah, he's just the worst guy.
Well, clearly he's not he. Loves to say he's the worst guy.
I would say he's not great because tried to kill Roberto in
this episode, yes. Exactly.
And normally that would be enough for me to be like, I hate
this guy and I don't like him and he should die.

(32:15):
But instead I'm kind of like, I don't know, maybe there's still
more to this that I'm not seeing.
So if he's going to do like a 100% flip over to a heel at this
point, I don't know that I'm going to be able to like go
along with it. See, I would.
Though, Because even good peoplewhen you see and I wouldn't say
good people, but I think it's normal for many of us to fall

(32:35):
Into Darkness. If you feel like you have to
keep up a lie long enough that you're willing to go, OK, I'm
going to go here, but I'm not going to go further than that or
I'm going to go here. I'm not going to go further than
that. And FedEx, Yeah, but you're.
Extremely optimistic about people's character and I had
nothing to do with. About the reality of the
situation, when you don't instantly find yourself in evil
territory all the time, people sometimes have to creep up to

(32:57):
it. And then after 13 years, you
creep up into it for so long. Exactly, Yuri.
Besnanov speaks about this a lot, how an opposition will try
to get you to believe one thing and then you go no, and then
they you fall back to an original line.
Then they make you to believe one thing and they push you back
and they push you back to an original line.
But in the meanwhile, they've softened you up to move to a
certain point that you didn't think you would end up being

(33:19):
after a certain time, which is the whole entire goal of
basically evil. You end up doing more and more
things that you didn't think youwould end up doing.
And after such a long time, you end up here in this spot where
you're willing to poison an innocent person who just wants
his girl back, who was possibly your son.
I'm kidding, right? Yeah, maybe to play devil's.

(33:40):
Advocate. Because I'm where Bridget's at
right now. I am too.
That's what I'm saying. Not a great guy.
But I'm not sure he's the worst guy either.
And I'm going to say this from his perspective.
Him trying to kill Roberto couldbe him doing this for the rest
of his people. This one sacrifice to save the
many people that he has to look out for.

(34:03):
OK, need him. Well, I'm just.
That's what I said from his. Perspective.
I'm not. Justifying.
I'm not saying it's yeah, no, because I can.
See him you know, he's sacrificing his niece thinking
I'm helping to ensure the establishment of this agreement
that we have because if this. Lie gets out.
Everything falls apart. If I'm not saving everybody,

(34:24):
this whole thing collapses. Everybody falls apart without me
in charge, he even says. I don't want this stranger
opening up a can of worms that runs here that's going to cause
everything to fall apart and seeboth.
Antonio and FedEx put it on themselves.
They put all of that on themselves.
They're a mirror of each other. They both love the same woman
too, on top of everything else. But.

(34:45):
Now that Roberto knows the truth, there's nothing holding
Antonio back, correct? And you see it that's.
Exactly why you're confronted. Him.
Yeah, man, the visual. Storytelling in these episodes
has been so spot on. As soon as he does the thing and
he says you can go now, Carol and Fred is like, yeah, you
should go. You should go now, Carol, you
should. You're not involved.
Get the hell out of here becauseyou're bee.
Stay out of this. Major Bee, Yeah.

(35:07):
But then immediately after that,Carol does the She's going away
and then it shows Antonio's in the front and then the three of
them line up behind him. The style of Sergio and Fede
basically, But they line up there.
They have the guns like out likethis, like Fede has a stick out
like this, like as if they're about to strike Antonio
accentuating the sacrifice he's making for Carol and Roberto to

(35:29):
get away. Perfect.
It's so perfect. I'm going to include it in this.
I don't care. It's so good.
Sorry that ahead of myself. That's good.
None of us were going to fight you.
On it. So the fact that you're like, I
don't care. I'm like, OK, I don't care.
What you said I'm. Not in the editing booth.
All right, I'm not mad. You do whatever you want, dude.

(35:50):
No, guys. Seriously, I have to include a
shot of it. Stop.
Arguing with me including it. Oh yeah, I'm in.
Charge. I'm Teddy, That's why my
subtitles I'm El Al Qatar. I am the Kingdom, I'm the
palace. I've changed.
I changed my. Mind, I hate fighting.

(36:14):
Let's show the Darrell. Flashback Photos wants to talk
about the Yeah. About that'll tie into the
dragon. Metaphor a little bit more in
ways that I don't think maybe one of you, at least I might
have thought, but we're watchingsomething.
Yeah, yeah, I have. It I had to get a video, I
couldn't do still images anymore.
No this time. It was so much.
Better, I'm going to be pausing here because it comes, it goes
by pretty quickly. First of all, notice that the

(36:36):
order is very wonky. Dreams are kind of like that.
But still, I want to get your take on that in just a SEC, But
here we go. OK, so Daryl's running in the
woods, young boy. It's Merle.
Get out of here. Yes, it is.
Daryl says you got to. Come too.
You got to come too. Go.

(36:57):
So Merle's coming and running. Run.
There's a little Daryl. I'm scared.
Daryl. I'm not familiar with the
terminology. I love that.
I love the hall. Ass.
It's like we're all in the. Dream.

(37:18):
Yeah, go. Don't look back.
Don't you ever look back. Doesn't the dad sound like
Merle? A little.
Dang it, I wanted you to. Go back and pause on that blue
building. There was another flashback
where it looked like it was closer to that trailer, but in
this one, it looks like it's directly in front of Darrell.
And then he turns to to look back to the trailer.

(37:41):
Yeah, he did in one of the. Still shots from the other
flashbacks. He does and he did.
But we saw another. One where it was closer to the
trailer, right? No, it it.
Was about. It was like an optical.
Illusion. It was a different perspective.
Daryl was a little further away.Yeah, it was coming like.
This way, I don't know. I don't know how to describe
this. Don't you ever.
Look back, monkey. Don't you worry about me.

(38:05):
I can take it, right? OK, that's it really.
Darrell, come back here. Bridget, give me your impression
of what happened here. We speculated at.
The very beginning of the seasonas to when it was and who was

(38:26):
who, and our first guest was that the older looking kid was
Merle. But then we kind of went back on
that a little bit back and forthand it was like, was it Darrell?
Was it Merle? There were a lot of
conversations about what time. No, no, I said.
No, we discussed. It and you guys.
Were like, I think that's Darrell you.
Guys. Said it was Merle.
And I didn't change my. Position Rob at all?

(38:48):
We. We.
Kind of went back on the second episode and then reversed on the
third. Again, thank you.
Little back and forth you guys. Were.
Just like confusing. Me anyway, no.
Anyway, the kid. Who looks like Bud Court, I had
said was probably Merle then because there was the second
guess, Dave. Then we went back and forth on

(39:11):
when this had occurred. Was this after Merle had left
home? What's the disparity between
their ages? Merle and Daryl at the beginning
of the show look like there's enough of an age gap there for
Merle to be considerably older than Daryl.
Yeah, like 8 to. 10 sort of years, yeah, even including the
slash. Daryl is.
Now the aged Merle was when he died in the current time on only

(39:32):
as close to it. Oh.
Well, you well over probably, but that would be like.
What then? There's like 15 I think he.
Also confirmed in these episodesthis the fall was 13 years ago.
OK. So like 13 years?
Like the disparity in this flashback doesn't look like 13
years to me personally, but that's OK.
It's besides the point. It doesn't matter really anyway,

(39:53):
so it's nice to have confirmation.
Like fully. Obviously.
We had in the last couple flashback scenes that this is
still when Merle is at home. Now their mother is past.
At this point we can make the assumption because dad is drunk
and angry all of the time and Merle is doing.
Exactly what had been talked about in Walking Dead seasons
about how like he protected Darrell until he didn't, until

(40:14):
he left. So we're not quite at that point
yet. So it's nice to see this
brotherly love. And Darrell mentions in this
episode a very specific, it's a retort to something.
Pause says she is talking about losing people directly
afterwards, right? Yeah, as they're having.
Their little conversation by thethe fire, She's talking about
losing people and she didn't want to give up hope looking for

(40:36):
Elena because if she did, that meant she had to accept it.
Obviously, I think with the flashback and everything else,
you'd be like, oh, he's talking about morale.
He's not. He's talking about Rick.
If he never gave up looking for Rick, because if he if he did,
it meant he had to accept that Rick was dead.
And since he never found a body,he was refusing to believe that,
which is great because as we allknow, Rick is not dead.

(40:58):
So like, good. For you not.
Not going for that because you don't need to.
He's alive, you just don't know it yet, which it's like a
double. Edged sword, because once they
decide to go after Elena slash Christina, there's an added
little element of, well, this inspires Daryl to be like, I
don't have to give up on Rick, Ijust don't have to look for him
actively. Yes, Which is what?

(41:20):
Michonne came to the before she ultimately found him, was about
to leave with that same mindset.Like, I can hope that he's still
out there, but I don't have to put what before.
Yeah, until she found the. Boots and then she was like,
wait a second, he is No, I'm talking about in the.
Second episode of The Ones Who Live the.
Ones who live, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and after everything she'sbeen.
Through with Nate. Nats, I was.

(41:41):
Like Nate? Doesn't feel right.
You're close. Close.
For a year. Remove a letter.
Yeah, after the. Whisperer war, basically anyway.
It's nice to give Daryl the reassurance that it was OK to
continue to look for him becauseeveryone kept saying you should
stop, you should come back. And even Carol, his best friend,
kept saying come back to us. And it's like, I get that.

(42:03):
But he kind of needed to know that it was OK that what he was
doing was for his brother. And that was important because
he's already lost a brother. And so I think that's why it
ties together like this, is he needs to feel OK continuing to
look for his brother because he already lost a brother who
really did care about him, POS or not.
Merle, because he does have a redemption arc, right?

(42:24):
Literal. Brother translates to found
brother basically is that's whatmy think he was.
He transfers all that. Love and respect that he had for
Merle to Rick which is weird. Or vice versa even.
'Cause like the love you have, like with Rick could be like,
oh, Burl wasn't such a bad guy after all or whatever.
Well. Daryl like it doesn't matter.
Merl is a bad guy. He knew Merl.

(42:46):
Was his perfect, he was his Big Brother and he stood up for him.
So now the audience can finally see what it is that Daryl saw in
Merl. This protective Big Brother who
said I can take it, I'm strong, it's OK, you run, I'll protect
you. This is what he saw in his
brother. We all have people like this in
our lives that maybe aren't perfect affect, but their family

(43:07):
for whatever reason, and we see something in them that other
people just can't see, right? Oh, why do you hang out?
With this guy or friend even yeah he's a right so now the.
Audience finally gets a glimpse into what he saw this whole time
and I look back on Merle and remember him quite fondly by the
end. Now, part of that is the fact
that he's played by Michael Rooker and Michael Rooker does a

(43:30):
phenomenally charismatic job of playing a just a really hateable
character. So, so you want to like him
because Michael Rooker's like just a nice guy.
And you're like, oh, but he's sofunny and he's like.
He's fun to watch, being a complete jerk, but not always
because he has that light side and he came around at the.
In the end, he did, you know, eventually doesn't hurt.

(43:52):
But it's interesting. That this is coming up in this
show, which is a spinoff so far gone from the main series
because it really is telling thestory of Season 1.
Darrell really Someone who didn't think he.
Could be strong. There is an aspect of this
episode that tells the story of Season 1 Carol.
That's what I want to get to as.Well, would like to get.
To it, but it has to do with herrelationship with Antonio so I'm

(44:14):
waiting. I want to add one extra.
Little bit of spice to what you're saying too, because what
happens to Path? But Maria ends up leaving with
Khalid, right? To be together with him, right?
She moves on to go for Elena, Who is that?
Carol and Ezekiel, while Darryl's in the woods looking
for Rick. Rick's body, Carol and Ezekiel

(44:34):
having their family, right? Yeah.
I get that Ezekiel was. Supposed to die OK.
Carol was also. Hard.
But. They're trying to map these two
characters, these badass characters, as similar beings
too, so it's no wonder. I just like that.
I love that it's closer than we think, The story particularly.

(44:56):
Loved the line that has delivered after Daryl says oh
I've lost a lot of people. And she said yeah, but they
don't all hurt the same. Yep.
That's to the. Audience too, by the way.
One got me. Right in the.
Gut that one got me. I.
Haven't felt very emotional during this this either.

(45:16):
There's been powerful. Themes but nothing has been Oh
man. Which when I watch regular
Walking Dead it's like they're Icry a lot still this one.
Yes, still. I've.
Seen it so many times. I still cry.
This one hasn't really gotten methere.
I don't know why. And that was a moment that I was
like, Oh, yeah. Man.
You are not kidding. A flood of faces.

(45:39):
Went through my mind. All the people that Darrell, all
the people that we've seen on this show, people in real life,
they do hurt different wait, people in in.
Norman's real life. No, no.
Our lives. Oh, sorry.
Our lives are, you know, losing.People in our real lives, yeah.
And something a bit. Harder.
Sure. It's actually one of two.
Lines in this episode that really got me.

(45:59):
It was that one. Then it was the one about being
far away, Khalid said. Well, everything is far away
now, but it isn't. Daryl says something to.
The fact? Tell me about it or.
Something. Yeah, it's like.
So it's very, but that to me is like like, Oh yeah, it's like it
is so far away right now from you and not even physically,

(46:20):
just like emotionally you're so far away from that place right
now. That and.
No matter where you're travelingto is dangerous, which makes it
farther because it's so much more dangerous to get any place.
It's like such a pregnant. Line too, because emotionally,
if we don't let it go, it's closer than we think.
If we don't allow ourselves to let it go.
Why do you think of it even? In terms though, Dave of like,

(46:41):
he can't ever go back to a pointwhere Isabel is alive.
Well, and then the time. Where he left Merle, there's
there's a lot of similar to there.
It's like there's all these. Points in his life that he can
never travel back to. Like everything is far away now.
There's just something about that that's really easy.
You can never go back and. Write that these were like. 2
lines. These were two lines in this
episode that I was like, I, I don't like this.

(47:03):
Don't make me feel. Things I don't How dare you.
I don't want to. How dare.
You, I will say, and maybe this is a good springboard to get
here, but the thing that made mecry, not the first time.
The first time I saw this, I washooting and hollering.
I was like, yes, get it. The second time I was like, this

(47:25):
is getting me really hard. I can't believe this is
happening. Oh, look at their eyes and look
at their mouth, and as they're kissing each other, the kiss.
He's going for the. Kiss.
OK, that's what got me. Got to get there.
Eventually that made me like literally.
Tear up the second time around because before I was just like
too excited in the moment, like yes, it's happening, yes,
finally we're here. So much is released in this
moment. I didn't feel overly.

(47:45):
Emotional about it. I thought it was nice.
I was like happy for Carol. I don't know, Rachel, how did
you feel about it? Carol's.
You're deeply connected. She is.
She's my. Girl, we've been waiting for
this since Carolyn Antonio met. There was an instant spark, but
it built up over these episodes and I wasn't overly emotional

(48:06):
like David was. I wasn't until the 2nd.
Time what made me feel. Something was his reasoning for
doing it. He's trying to get these words
out and and ultimately he's falling short.
Kind of like me right now. Right.
Trying to find the words, but it's really about the care she's
been giving Roberto. He sees her care for Roberto,

(48:29):
which I mean, let's be honest, Carole, track record with kids
is not great. So it made me nervous.
He's at least he's like, yeah. He's older, and now he, now
he's. Sending his kid off with her.
Anyway, that's not really what we're talking about, but I
thought it was very sweet. Ultimately, this was like his.
Thank you for taking such good care of my kid.

(48:52):
And also, I think you're super cute, and now I'm going to kiss
you. And at first, I was like, oh,
she's not really receptive of this, right?
Yeah, first. And then.
And then there was a moment. And we know Carol, right?
She jumps feet first into revenge, but maybe not romance.
So. I think it took her a minute to

(49:15):
feel OK accepting this. It took her a minute to say I do
deserve this and I'm so glad that she allowed herself to
because she does deserve it. And maybe she's thinking I'm
going to be gone in a day anyway, So what the hell.
Or not. Maybe she'll still continue to
try to get him to come. Valentina is.

(49:36):
Going to want all the details because.
She will give them my will. I feel like Valentina.
This is exactly how it went down.
I loved. How?
She asked. Like, did you taste the local
wine? And she's like you are the
worst. This relationship corniest show.
In The Walking Dead, she's the female.

(49:57):
Dave, I think something. Really interesting about Carol's
relationship with all of these kids is that now she's gotten to
parent kids at every stage. And this is like the stage.
She never could get to these like grown children.
And so I don't know what'll happen, but if she can be like a
mother to Roberto, it's like she's finally gotten to that

(50:19):
point where a child has gotten to adulthood and she's been able
to be there through because Berto better survive.
There's a long, I know so. No, she can't.
There's another one. I can't handle it really.
Can't handle it. In this moment with the kiss,
I'd mentioned that it's like Season 1 Daryl.
We got like that story. Season 1 Carol is here at this
time with the kiss. Kind of this whole scene, this

(50:40):
whole thing with Antonio, as I'mwatching it, I'm just coming to
the startling realization that when Antonio was like yelling at
her in the apartment, he's like mad.
And she doesn't even flinch. She's putting together canned
goods in a box. She says you can come.
With us and he is refusing and she's like he said you don't
understand. And she said, well then help me

(51:01):
understand he's. Very.
He's very. Angry in that moment, like very
defensive. All I could think was like, oh
man, one. Her response.
How appropriate for a trauma produced woman truly to in that
moment when a man is screaming, she's not even like flinching or
anything. She just stands there and she
goes then help me understand, because that would be your

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response would be like, well, I'm going to take it off of me
and put it back on you so that you're not like getting
progressively more angry at me. Well, and also because he's a.
Good man, I'm going to try giving him the benefit of the
doubt. She doesn't have to worry about
it. With him, but it doesn't just go
away. And especially for people not
received any therapy at all during any of this time.

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She has not. So that trauma is still in
there. I'm just constantly in awe of
how much she's grown. And this whole situation with
Antonio is like such a huge reminder of how different she
used to be, just how meek and mild, and how now she's breaking
in. By the way, Carol, just blow out
the Lantern, man. Just like, go blow out that

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Lantern as you're breaking into a window so that you're not in
candlelight. You just.
Went from here to. There fast traveling, you don't
have to be in candlelight, you don't have to be in.
Candlelight the whole time. You could just blow that light
out, but it's. A weirdo just to just.
To see also just I want to get this.
Out of the way. It just isn't, well, that part.

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Really bothered me. I was like what the hell?
She's like a revelation of a person finding it.
Incredible to me after all of this.
Too Well, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Sweeping the other. One killing people way.
Too far or like I'm like Shane. You're a.
Murderer and you have a list of people that you've killed, but
you're crying over it at night because you're really not OK
with it. Or you won't stop following this

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person even though it's going tobe your death if you don't stop.
And someone luckily is there to literally stop you from walking
off of a Cliff. It's interesting to see her now
kind of come back to the Carol she pretended to be in.
Alexandria is almost who this is.
Well, even that was. Kind of a well, that was like
an. Over.

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It was like an over the top thing.
It's more that middle ground of yes, she was a homemaker and a
mother and she was good at that job and she was a sweet, kind
person who fell into a bad situation.
But she is super strong, stronger than arguably most of
the characters on The Walking Dead.
And yet here she is, somewhere in the middle.
Finally, after so many years of watching her character

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development, she's finally at a point where she is who she was
really meant to be. It took this long for her to
become that person. 13 years I. Know, isn't it kind of like?
Merle too, like we were talking about Merle how he would take
the beatings basically and he would take, he says it in the
flashback and we know it offhand, but they're similar in
that respect, Merle and Carol, and maybe that's why Daryl has

(53:51):
such an affinity for Carol too. It's like another layer to the
affinity. I think it was part.
Of the reason that Daryl and Carol connected is because they
both knew what it was like to live with abuse.
He tried to play it off as like,you're stupid because like, you
could have just left, but he knew what it was like to not be
able to leave. Yeah, truly, that was just his
defense mechanism to push peopleaway.

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That's really probably why you don't want any of.
This smoke, basically. I want to know what Rob thinks
about the kiss. What were you feeling?
Oh, I. Was thinking.
Finally, you. Guys like.
Wrap. That up already, that tension.
Has been there for the last couple episodes and to finally

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have it happen was very much a relief for Carol and Antonio
Rob's. Been writing Misses Antonio and
notebooks hearts. Around.
This. Is Antonio, whatever his last
name is, stars and hearts like that five pointed star that you
make with one unicursal line because you don't know how to

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make the irregular stars don't look right.
You know, when you try to make one that's just an outline of a
star? They really don't.
Shut up, Dave. Don't talk about it.
I'm just calling us all out, aren't I?
Aren't I though? I'm perfect though, David.
It's all about angles. I'm saying.
See Rob can do. It Rob's like, fully capable of

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moving. All in with the ruler.
What do you do? He's a ruler idiot.
Dave, it's just you and. Me who can't do it apparently.
How can you tie Antonio to Carola little bit more?
I was poring over some, like, data on the way Carol's evolved
and the ways in which she's spoken about Sophia over time.

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And one of the things she had said, and this is around the
time where we're talking about Alpha and Lydia, she'd said
something obviously really stupid, something she couldn't
have expected. And it's something that we
actually talk about when it comes to inadvertently about
Judith and well, more Gracie than it is Judith.
How she said I wished I'd toughened up.
Sophia and Alpha said similar things both on the show and in

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Tales of The Walking Dead, how she kept her from having to
toughen up and all that stuff. And it's a really callous thing
to say about, first of all, yourself, like putting the blame
on yourself for something that you inarguably could not have
prevented Sophia turning. And it's the same as Antonio,
isn't it? You put it on yourself that you
were in the wrong place, in the wrong time, trying to do
something right when something horrible happened that was

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completely out of your control, something you didn't see coming.
You couldn't see Sophia getting mixed up and running away.
And I mean, Cara wasn't even there was If any of you want to
blame anybody, blame Rick for Sophia getting lost, then
eventually getting bit. It's the idea of the world or
the situation being so horrible that you've nobody to blame but
yourself. And Antonio and she do the same
thing. She finds a reason to blame

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herself for Sophia getting bit over.
And this is over a long period of time.
She's a time to think about thisfor a long time.
And she ultimately blames herself.
And so when I saw them kiss, it goes back to what they were
saying before about the aphorism.
One poison cures another. And I looked into it and it's
not just an aphorism in Spanish,it's how modern medicine works
too, using one toxin to counteract another.

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There are many reasons why one toxin will make it so that a
disease or another toxin will not be able to take hold, take
effect for various metabolic reasons, or the toxin attacks
the thing that the other thing is trying to attack first.
So it doesn't work like chemotherapy.
Exactly that. Right.
So when I saw them kiss, it's like no risk, no reward thing if
you don't take the risk. The long standing poison of her

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holding on to this thing to not thinking she has she can live in
something. I can't wait to talk about that
part. And then moving into a stage
where again slaying the dragon and out of the Dragon's blood, a
rosebush emerges. You slay that dragon and you get
to move on. And the gift for moving on is
you get to live. Do you remember what they said
earlier? He'll talk to you eventually Is

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she says it's to Antonio about Roberto.
The thing telling a lie is when you get to start telling the
truth, it really does kind of set you free.
And she's speaking to herself here.
First you survive what happened to you, then you survive your
survival, and after time you getto start living again.
Part of that reference. Is to Ash, to her lie.
So it's a tie in to the last season, which is nice because

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it's like Ash is gone. And so it's just like, oh, bye,
we forgot about you. I guess we're not talking about
you anymore. Thanks for the plane, I really
do hope. They open the next season with
where they're at and then that ties into how the season ends or
something like that. So I really want to know where
Milan and Ash are. I would have loved if they had.
Alternated episodes, but that's just me personally.

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Oh, right, like keeping. That thread open, I see what
you're saying. There's more to this quote
though. It's actually attributed to
something very specific because I was like, that is from
something. It's a quote that's often
recited. So I kind of went down a little
bit of a rabbit hole but landed on just this part.
This quote is often attributed to the work of Holocaust
survivor Viktor Frankel and in his book Man's Search for

(58:55):
Meaning, which is basically about meaning and suffering in
the cornerstone of logotherapy, which is meaning centered
psychotherapy that involves Socratic dialogue to help
clients to suffer their values, paradoxical intention to
confront their fears, and D reflection to shift the focus
away from self absorption. It's basically a handbook on how
to move on from trauma. And I love that she says this.

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You survived the thing that happened.
You survived surviving. And then if you're ready and
when you're ready, you can take the poison that is actually a
cure to move on to actually living a life, to kick start
your life again. That kiss for them was her way
of doing that. OK, now you've gotten this far,
you need a little taken the tuchus to live life again, which

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is why, like when when you go back to the episode or insider
Bridget TM, when Norman says shecould stay here, find out how
far this can go. There's no reason for you to
leave except for the we said this in other episodes.
I just want to go home factor. But why?
What's waiting for you there? I had thought I thought about
this. What is waiting for you at home,
Carol Daryl. Of course I can.
I get that. The only person that you'd be

(59:59):
going home for is Daryl. I can't see a reason for her to
have to go home. Can you guys get tangible reason
for Carol except for not for us,but I want?
It exactly. I mean, it's just not that.
There's no one she doesn't love over there.
She's still got pretty much everyone from Alexandria,
Judith, all of them. That's still her family.

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Is it enough for her to give up on an opportunity to find
happiness with someone else? Right.
It's that's really the question.It's like the 1-2 punch here.
I'm not trying to push you guys.I think the bigger question.
Is would she be safe if she stayed there with Antonio?
I feel like trying to talk him into going back to Alexandria
would be the safer choice. And then she.

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Gets to have her cake and eat ittoo.
Or we do, I guess. Yeah, we do.
We definitely do, and at this. Point even if Roberto forgives
his father, he still wants to leave.
He wants a chance at a differentlife.
And you know how it is with young people, like he's going to
be like, no, this is what I wantto do.
I want to I want to strike out of my own.
And so like Barcelona. Leaving Celeste Lamar, I hope

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they all go. But like, maybe it ends up being
like Valentina's, like, oh, well, I'll take them.
And now there's not enough room for you, Daryl and Carol.
You have to figure out another way to get home.
They're just sending. People to the US without leaving
themselves, I think the implication.
By Carol saying you all can tellme everybody.
That there's more than. Been four seats on the boat, so

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everyone at Alexander's. Like people keep showing up to
the door saying Daryl and Carol sent them but we haven't seen
them in years. Where do they end up?
Well. They're in Valentina's love
nest. Actually, they're.
Not all my husbands. Shut up, Dave.
OK, fine. Sometimes they're my wives.

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I'm looking for a screwdriver. So many tools.
There's the joke at Valentina's,anyhow.
Let's take a moment. To talk about some of the cool
things we saw in this episode that are of of note geography
wise OK they did talk a little tiny bit about it in the episode
or insider but not to Bridget TMand but nothing of worth the

(01:02:11):
scene where paths or path whatever you want to say and
Daryl arriving to that cathedralarea with amusement park
underneath. I really liked the.
Walkers on the Ferris wheel? Yeah, I thought that was fun.
How'd they not fall out after? 13 years though I.
Was first. I was like, how did they?
I turned there. They both got bent and decided
to go on the Ferris wheel and I was like, oh man, they died on

(01:02:34):
it. They couldn't.
Get that's horrible. They starved to.
Death. They mentioned the episode of
Insider, but it's TB Dabo. It's beautiful, it is.
Religious in origin. It was a place of worship,
rituals and even sacrifices dating back to Roman times.
It's named after the monastery and it comes from the Latin TB

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Dabo, the two words, and it means I will give you.
And it is a passage from Luke 4/6 Or Satan tempts Jesus with
quote UN quote, the glory of theworld from a high mountain.
And the quote is all this power I will give thee, and the glory
of them, for that is delivered unto me, and to whomever I will
give it. I thought you would appreciate
it. So stupid.

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You know this thing your dad made?
I'll give it to you if you just come over to my side and play
for evil and he's like, no, I'm good dude.
I don't need that. I I kind of like own the whole
thing like I. Already own it and others have
to find salvation in me. It's so dumb.
Dave, it's like the dumbest thing.
The devil's an idiot. He was like, what a bargain.

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And he's stupid. I already own it.
Why are you saying that you're getting?
My own thing. So stupid.
You're stupid, dad. Like.
He's. Doing all dumb.
The devil's an idiot in 1899. Salvador Andreu founded Sociedad
Enonima del Tibi Dabo to developthe area as a major leisure
destination, beginning with a residential area for wealthy

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families. In 19 O1 they founded the
amusement park, with the first attractions opening in 19 O 5.
It's one of the oldest amusementparks in the world.
Wow. In the mid 1900's, the park
expanded with new rides, mascotsand indoor attractions.
And this was right around the time, again, I said there's
Basque influence everywhere. In the mid 1900s is around the

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time the Basque separatists cameabout.
The ETA group, the church itself, that's on the hill, the
Temple of the Sacred Heart beganconstruction in 19-O2 and
completed in 1961. Let me just go quickly to the
Basque stuff and then we can go wherever.
At that point, the first thing you see during the moment where
you see Maria and the whole explosion thing is the Gora

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Yusko Kuduriak, which is Catalan, not Spanish.
Long live the Basque soldiers, warriors.
They're protesting basically forCatalan independence.
They've been doing it since the Spanish Civil War, OK, We talked
about that a lot in the last episode or two.
They've been doing it since thenuntil 2018.
Had the apocalypse not happened,they would have eventually

(01:05:03):
stopped. Basically.
It's interesting, but the apocalypse did happen and we all
forgot all about it. It's fine, no problem.
Bigger problems. Yusko Gudoriak is also the title
of the Basque patriotic song with the same name.
Particularly those who fought for the Basque Republic during
the Spanish Civil War. I think promises were made about

(01:05:24):
a country for the Basque people,which would have been called.
Antonio says this in the episodeYuskal Hedea.
That's what the Basque Country would have been called, Yuskal
Hedea, that would have been straddling the border between
Spain and France where they meet.
And he mentions also, yeah, Generalissimo Francisco Franco,
the Spanish Civil War. But a little bit about the
separatist group that blew up the car basically, or somebody

(01:05:47):
blew up. I forget if it was the guy that
they were interviewing was from ETA or the ETA people blew up.
I assumed the. ETA People blew up the car.
Yeah, 'cause they are the terrorists.
OK cool. ETA is short for Uskadi TA
Askatasuna, so it's good that they call it ETA 'cause it's a
mouthful in the original Catholic.
Don't try again. It's.

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Hard enough saying Spanish wordscorrectly.
It's a radical best separatist group.
Their name means Basque Homelandand Liberty or Basque Country
and freedom. It's a translation thing.
They existed from 1959, around the time the cathedral was
finished being built, till 2018.And yeah, since the Spanish
Civil War was over basically. I just thought that was really
interesting. There's a lot of Catalan

(01:06:30):
influence. The story between the dragon and
the the Princess and Saint George, that's also Catalan.
Okay, you. Did a lot of research Riddle me
this Dave sure did you look intothe old city why Fede called his
mother La Celestina I did did you okay I did I'm hands on
let's go for. It this is.

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Based on something called The Tragic Comedy of Callisto and
also known in Spanish as La Celestina or in English, The
Spanish Bod, it was written by Fernando de Rojas a long time
ago. Long, long time.
While chasing his. Falcon Through the fields A rich
young bachelor named Kaliso enters a garden where he meets

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Melibia, the daughter of the house, and is immediately taken
with her. This is a very RR she's.
A noble. She's a noble, Bless.
Unable to see her privately, he broods until his servant, some
pronial suggests using the old Procurus Celestina.

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She is the owner of a brothel and in charge of her two young
employees, Alicia and Erusia. Forgive me if I'm
mispronouncing. When Callisto agrees, Sempronio
plots with Celestina to make as much money out of the his master
as they can. And another servant of
Callisto's, Parmeno mistrust Celestina because he used to

(01:07:56):
work for her when he was a child.
So something happened there. Barmeno warns his master warns
his master not to use her. However, Celestina convinces
Parmeno to join her and Sempronio in taking advantage of
Callisto, and his reward will beErusia, one of the girls from
the brothel as a seller of feminine Knick knacks.

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What does that mean this plot? Synopsis.
Somebody else was looking for a screwdriver as a seller of.
Feminine Knick knacks and quack medicines.
Celestina is permitted entrance into the home of Elisa and
Mellibia by pretending to sell thread.
Weird choice, but OK. Upon being left alone with
Mellavia, Celestina tells her ofa man in pain.

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But he could be cured by the touch of your girdle.
What I completely? Agree.
I completely agree. What?
What a. Scam.
It's so ridiculous. I love it.
It's so ridiculous. My pains would be cured by your
girdle. When she mentions When she
mentions Kalisto's name, Melebiabecomes angry and tells her to
leave, but the crafty Celestina persuades her that Kalisto has a

(01:09:04):
horrible toothache that requiresher aid and manages to get the
girdle off of her to. Fix another.
Meeting so on her second visit, Celestina persuades the now
willing all of the sudden Melebia to rendezvous with
Kalisto, and upon hearing of themeeting set by Celestina,
Kalisto rewards the procures with a valuable gold chain.

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The lovers arranged to meet in Malaby's garden the following
night. Wow.
Sam, Peronio and Farmeno keep watch and when the weary Kalisto
returns home because you know, bow chicka Bow Wow at dawn to
sleep because he's been up all night and more than ways than
one. His two servants go around in
Celestina's house to get their share of their gold, but she

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tries to cheat them and in a rage they kill her in front of
Alicia after jumping out of the window in an attempt to escape
the night guard. Samperonio and Parmeno are
caught and are beheaded later that day in the town square and
Alicia, who knows what happened to Celestino, Samperonio and
Parmeno tells Rusia of the deaths.

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And Arusia and Alicia come up with a plan to punish Callisto
and Bolivia, even though she's like hardly involved for being
the cause of all these deaths. Mostly Callisto, by the way.
Yes, after a. Month of Kalisto sneaking around
and seeing Mellivia at night in the garden.
ERISA and Alicia enact their plan of revenge and Kalisto

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returns to the garden for another night with his woman
while hastily leaving because ofa ruckus he heard in the street.
He falls from a ladder that usedto scale the guy garden wall and
he dies. And after confessing to her
father the recent events of her love affair and Kalisto's death,

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Melibia then jumps from the tower of the house and dies too.
You just had this. Funny.
So the, the, it's written to be a tragic comedy because
everything is so over the top. The girdle being like, what's
gonna like this? Like, the whole thing is like
super over the top. Anyway, it's a really
interesting story, but it's obviously well known enough in

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Spain to call someone as Celestina and to know that that
means that essentially they're like a matchmaker.
Yeah, this book was. So influential.
This story was so influential, it became part of culture.
So anybody that is called a matchmaker or is playing
matchmaker or go or go between is called a Celestina.
But also not limited to anybody who is a liaison between two

(01:11:38):
parties as well. So let's say merchants to other
merchants or a corporation to a small business, you're like a
Celestina. You're basically trying to get 2
entities or two groups to come together.
You're called a Celestina in terms of history.
This was also written during thereign of Ferdinand and Isabella,
which is also like a very well written about tale.

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Well, the author. Himself, Fernando de Rojas, is a
descendant of Jews who convertedto Catholicism in the wake of
the Spanish Inquisition. There's three Jews in the
Inquisition, those who died verypainfully, those who were forced
into hiding called Murano's. They hid their Judaism, Catholic
in the streets, Jewish in the sheets, You know what I'm

(01:12:20):
saying? OK, sure.
And. Then there were those.
Who actually? And then there were those
actually converted and he's one of them.
I guess maybe I'm descended of one or the other.
Not the dead ones. I'm sorry.
Because what he said that all I could picture is like just a New
York Jew saving their accent forwhen they're like under a sheet.
What a relief. I'm the only one who could do

(01:12:44):
it. Basically I can't do it I.
Can't do it. It would be insulting.
These are the Sephardic. Jews, Sepharad, meaning from
Spain, Sepharad. Most people who don't know this,
Eastern European Jews have Yiddish.
It's spoken mostly German and Hungarian.
You know, Yiddish was like a derivation of German slash
Polish slash Hebrew. There is a version of this for
Sephardic Jews, Spanish Jews called Ladino.

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It's a mixture of Portuguese, Spanish and Hebrew, and I think
a couple of other languages too,to form this other unique, very
dying language. By the way, surprises.
This isn't like a college courselearning Latino.
It's another mixture of a language too that is not often
spoken or heard of a known even.I just thought that was
interesting too, because we talked about the Inquisition,
the strapado in the second episode, the hanging, the guy

(01:13:29):
for the taking his daughter and everything.
And then that comes back. This comes back.
Celestina being a reference fromabout that time from a person
who escaped the Inquisition by converting.
Do you think they're going to do?
That punishment to Antonio right, We ended off the.
Episode with the three guys in back of Antonio as Carol drives
away and so yeah, what are they going to do with Antonio, right

(01:13:50):
for speaking up against Fede andhe's literally sacrificing
himself for them to run away. And I love how that whole scene
goes down too because what he says Antonio says and my boy
just told me he's up there net right now having just told me
that you conspired with. You can go now, Carol.
We don't need Roberto or sorry, Roberto's upstairs.
You know he's fine. He's doing.

(01:14:12):
He's awake now. Yeah, he's ready to talk running
around, he's doing. Sprints, you know?
Yeah. With the Dunya Marga, he's like
he's on a treadmill right now, taking his physical.
It's perfect. Hoping that he takes the bluff
is basically what it is in long enough for her to get away.
Which, by the way, if you saw the map that I posted, obviously
I didn't include it in the episode.
I put up a video of where everything is in Spain,

(01:14:32):
Belchite, where Valentina's lighthouse is, where Solas Del
Mar was filmed. At the very least, it's a half a
days away. Travel to Valentina's
lighthouse? Well, that makes sense.
Why? He sent Sergio away, then
Sergio's gone for a little while.
Yeah, again. You notice that?
When Carol gets to Valentina, atleast at one part in the
episode, it's not a casual thing.
When you find her playing with the Sexton, it's already dark

(01:14:55):
when they're talking, whereas before it was like early in the
morning or something like that. It's light out, but it's like.
Way later in the day, it's something like that, right?
But it's like an hours long trek.
So obviously the locations of having symmetry in the present
in the past. I also like the way things
transitioned. One transition in particular,
though, that was very noteworthy.
Fed is calling Dunya Marga the Celestina.
It goes from the photo of FedEx stroking the picture of Maria,

(01:15:18):
OK, to the flashback video of Maria, little Roberto and
Antonio and Tibidabo. And then it goes from there to
Daryl and Paz at the gates of the pool, whether your friend or
refugees are staying. So there's like a little bit of
like a everybody's talking aboutMaria basically.
There's a reflection of refugee status, basically, because Maria
and Antonio left to Barcelona toescape whatever love triangle

(01:15:40):
nonsense was happening in Salas with Fede, basically, and to
find a new life as a matchmaker where nobody believed in him.
His dad took a belt to him for believing him as a filmmaker.
You. Said matchmaker.
Sorry, a filmmaker, not a. Matchmaker Antonio, the
matchmaker I can see it, though I shouldn't catch.
That terrible? As a.
Filmmaker, yes. On the heels, what we were

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saying before about Daryl and Paz having reignited passion
towards finding Christina and Elena, right?
Just reinvigorated to go after them.
Do you think this also has an effect on Darrell when it comes
to Rick? That there will be more reason
for him to want to go home at this point, to be able to
continue that search indirectly or directly, whatever it is, I

(01:16:22):
think to some degree. Yes, he wouldn't.
Want to continue that, but at the same time he's mostly got to
get back for the wrong because he's got to be that parent
figure to that kid for. Well, that's a good point too.
Or maybe they'll do father son things.
They'll like find Rick together instead of a yeah, yeah, come
with me. We'll teach you how to survive
on your own. I think it.
Just gives him the strength to not give up.

(01:16:43):
That's what this whole season has been about, is he's lost his
hope, he's lost his connection to humanity.
He's like, I just want to go home.
I don't want to deal with any ofthis anymore.
I don't care. I got to stop getting sucked
into everybody else's problems. I've just got to go.
But that's not who Darrell is. So this is just going to
reinvigorate that Darrell is again, who he is, which is a guy
who does help other people. He's a hero and.

(01:17:06):
If not that. It's doing for other people what
he wished somebody would do or maybe like Merle would do for
him. There's this messed up situation
that nobody, I didn't think anybody could help me at the
time. But then you have all these
experiences from him in The Walking Dead after the fall,
where time after time he got himself involved.
Maybe he didn't always work, buthe was there for people, for his

(01:17:28):
brother, for say Rachel, for Carol and all these other
people. Man, I, it's strong association.
And then, yeah, I somebody couldhave been there for me.
And I could see somebody gettingpretty resentful over that fact
that, oh, wait, somebody could have stepped in.
Somebody could have maybe stopped my dad from beating on
me. Like, you think that's your life
until that point. That's normal living like this,

(01:17:51):
running away. So when you see all these things
go down, like, obviously, he wants to go home, but then he
realizes I can't keep running away like my brother told me to
and not looking back. That's not how they should have
gone down. You know, you process it.
I was too weak to reckon with this or to engage with this
directly. But now I'm grown.
I can do the things I couldn't do before.

(01:18:12):
I could step in where somebody didn't step in for me before.
We can do this. Although I do question
something. OK, The plan for.
I was going to say Rachel again.The plan for Carol was to escape
with Roberto. To confuse the twos of you, the
2 the tools of you. I confuse the tools of you,
Rachel and Carol. I'll take.

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It the plan was for. Carol and Roberto to escape the
town. Not covertly, just like hey, I'm
done with you guys. Sayonara.
And for Antonio, he says Gustavowill help me escape.
Gustavo is one of the people behind him after the sacrifice
he made too. So I wonder if he will not

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because you know, we got to see his his his nephew die during
the battle too. He was very sad about that turn
or whatever. And you see, when Antonio starts
calling out Fede, people start standing up.
And what did you do to Steela? Excuse me and someone.
Someone else in Gustavo's familyis sick.
Oh, his wife. And Sergio says get me the
medicine. Yeah, I've got plenty of

(01:19:17):
medicine for you. Not for, he says.
Don't worry. Just just come.
If you need anything, just come find me.
I was like, who are you, Sergio,to be giving out this medicine?
He's like skimming off the top, too.
That's what I wrote in my notes.I'm like.
Excuse me, Sir, I actually, I think I wrote a literally.
Excuse me, Sir, who are you to give out medicines that you know
if the Fed is? She's an idiot and.
Stores the keys in a box that everyone knows where the box is.

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Barely Samu. Does.
Carol found it in like 2 secondsand there's another scene.
That gets me thinking more aboutthis.
And it's when Sergio calls Fete to come to the pits or the cages
where they keep the walkers to protect the mountain, right?
And he goes, you know, I don't like being here.
And he holds his nose, baby. Oh, the.
Smell. Oh, that's the only thing.

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Everyone's ever. Complained about the smell.
How long have you lived in this world?
And you're like, oh, the smell is horrible.
Yeah, dog, you all stink. Everyone stinks in the
apocalypse, but some stinks hurtmore Bridget.
I will tell you. The smell of death makes me gag
instantly over anything else. Yeah, no, it's a.
Horrible smell. Don't get me wrong, but

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everything smells bad in this world.
It's relative. You know Bridget.
You're not smelling devil all the time.
OK, but. Let's look back at the plague if
you have a friend. You think people were like
incapable of walking around because they were like, oh, it
smells so bad. No, eventually you just went
nose blind to it and you walked around the dead bodies anyway.
Oh, and nobody washed. That I would say if you have a

(01:20:41):
pit. Of dead bodies at the base of
your mouth, and it's going to stink far beyond where they're
standing, and you're going to smell that all the time.
Exactly. Exactly.
It's an elevation of stink that is not, and then they're always
moving. Around stirring it up.
You know what? We talked.
About that a long time ago, do not want to talk about it again,
but there's a deeper insight here and that's is it possible

(01:21:05):
that fit is not really in chargelike what do?
You mean for instance is? Sergio, part of El Alcatar, he's
like a representative liaison, El Celestina, if you will,
between I. Don't know if I'd go that far.
I could believe that Fede is notas in charge as he thinks he is,
right? That's basically.

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What I'm saying because Sergio seems to have everything on
lock. He's the muscle.
He could even be the one technically in charge.
While the it's going to have theHilltop formula.
The Hilltop formula is the leader that's supposed to be in
charge, always kind of checks out, while the second in command
is really the one in charge. When Tara was in charge, it was
Jesus. When Maggie was in charge, it
was kind of Jesus facilitating everything.

(01:21:47):
Same energy. And they're technically on the
Hill. So maybe there's that whole
Negan savior symmetry after all,between Solas and Hilltop.
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different kinds of love stories happening all at once and

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they're all of a different kind of variety.
There's positive love story that's love that's lost but can
be found, but you can't get to it.
That tragedy, Daryl's tragic love story, love lost never to
return. Who seen a Roberto's classic
Romeo and Juliet story or Les Celestina, right?
And then there's Antonio and Carol, finding love after
tragedy, never thinking you can have love again.

(01:23:35):
But here we are. And then there's feta.
I'm adding to this. There's feta unrequited.
Unrequited love. Who knew that we were in a
Spanish soap opera? Ladies and gentlemen, exactly
who invented that Walking Dead was.
Always a soap opera with zombiesanyway.
It's true. It's a different.
Kind, isn't it? Yeah, it is.
It is. It's not Dolphin.

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Smooth, but you know it was a hot shower that Carol didn't
take the spaghetti. Western like influence of this
like continued into this with the shootout at the date that
was a. Extremely strong Lock, as Rachel
said earlier, is so corrupted, but two bullets from a shotgun
couldn't even take it off. No to be.
Fair. Every other lock is butter in

(01:24:17):
the shell. So so.
Well, that's what I was going tosay.
And also shotguns don't have that much of an effect on what
most range they do. Pallet.
Right, there's most. Of them have.
Something but. But even.
Then like I'd be scared of hitting it only made the rust.

(01:24:37):
More powerful, apparently. It galvanized the lock.
The more he hit it, the strongerit was although to be.
Fair. Most.
Locks that would have That's what would have happened.

(01:24:58):
Why isn't doing the thing from the movies working?
Why isn't it finally? I know, but to be serious.
For one moment, it did kind of break my heart seeing Daryl hold
on to Husseina's hand. It was like me too.
Did you not feel that this? Was like Isabel maybe all over
again, but Isabel essentially. Yeah, Yeah, like.

(01:25:18):
Making up for something that waslost.
Yeah, it was filmic too, from all these different angles as
they're driving away. Yeah, I mean the.
Shots in this entire show have been gorgeous.
There were some really beautifulscenes there alone.
Paws just. Getting out of the car, the
angle from her foot boot level, then seeing her walk towards
Darrell which reminds. Me, the spaghetti Western thing,

(01:25:40):
the talk around the campfire with the knife sharpening and
there are so many scenes and I'mlike, that's a Western scene.
That's a Western salsa. Commercial New York, NY City.
Now I'm. Going to include this.
Thought about. That and so.
And then we'll get. That was during our dead.

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City coverage too. Oh yeah, but not limited.
To It's not the first time we'vedone it.
It was before my. Time, Dave.
Well, why didn't you watch all the episodes before then?
Because life didn't. Truly start until I came.
Life truly is. Cruel life is cruel that way.
In any case, thanks everybody for watching this episode along

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I was joined by. Cosmo Mom 0. 9 Bridget.
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We'll be here next week for the season 3 finale of The Walking
Dead. Daryl Dixon.
I wish I could say I can't wait for it to be over, but I don't.
I am enjoying being here. I don't want to see what comes
next. You know that feeling where
like, well, what if they do go home?
Then this won't happen. Well, if they stay, what will

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happen after that? I just kind of just want to live
in this moment right now. Like Rachel, we hate endings and
I don't want to see this one. But hey, they're going to drag
us kicking and screaming to the next episode anyway.
So that's our live, people. We don't get to sit here in
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We do it for you. It's such a pain.
What a hardship 7 not. 87. Not 87.

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Last year was 6 I think. I know I thought it was.
Going to be 8 for some reason, Idon't know why because they
upped. Dead city to 8?
Yep, that's right. Oh.
That's where that came from then, yeah, it's like maybe
every. New season, they get another
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