The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon |3x06 "Contrabando"

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I'm glad at least Rob's listening to me.
I'm just here to talk to Rob I. Think my goal right now is to
make Rob mad at me too. We're just mad in general.
I think Rob's too chill for thathonestly.
Yeah, I don't know you well enough to be mad at you.
I don't think he's a time. Not unless you start really
insulting me. That's hard to do.

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Well no, it's not about attacking you, but it's
generally finding topics to makeyou mad, not.
Nitpicking you into oblivion. Basically, those are my new
details about your personality that you thought were endearing
and loved by the people that love you.
No, they're not. They're annoyances to 1.
David Kimmy. You're ruining everything is the

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motto, basically. Fine, I'll leave them.
Success. It worked.
They can get Mother Teresa mad for some reason.
I don't know what it is. It's partially because I'm
Jewish. I said partially.
I didn't say completely. She anti-Semitic.
Starts higher and it spreads like the wildfire virus.

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I don't know, Dave just thinks he can do it every once in a
while. Dave will throw out a curse
word, but if we throw out, he's like, oh, language guys.

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Oh. Today, we're here to talk to you
about the walk into Daryl Dixon's sixth episode of its

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third season, titled Contrabando.
We do have a little bit of housekeeping.
We did a live stream of the highlights that we took from L
New York Comic Con 2025. Wow.
We broke down the news elements that came out of The Walking
Dead. Daryl Dixon panel.
The new Game of Thrones spin offtitled A Night of the Seven
Kingdoms. The Welcome to Derry series, The

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Invincible panel as well. That was a pretty rich panel.
The new Running Man movie. Oh yeah, Glenn Powell and
Coleman Domingo. And Josh Brolin.
I'd never seen the original of that film, and I saw I knew
nothing about it that Trevor knew.
You want to see that? Movie.
You should watch it before you end up maybe watching this new
one. Schwarzenegger, right?
No, I would recommend reading the book.
It's a quick. Read if I have time.

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I like very gravy though. Is it OK?
Yeah, it's a Stephen King. Under the Richard Bachman
pseudonym. I don't really like that.
I don't. She had just to prove.
Me wrong. I just gotta go get the book.
You printed a bunch of short stories under Richard Bachman.
I'll say because you'll criticize.
Me. It was written under Richard
Bachmann. Yeah, but the first print was
Richard Bachmann. I don't.

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Understand why. There's a reason for it because
it's sort of departures from well.
Because you have a theory, it's only.
It's yeah sure, it's like what, 200 some odd pages 4. 100 pages.
Oh, is it 400 pages? I know it felt sure.
My theory is that he wrote a book under a different name to
see if people would still like his writing.

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The running theory if his. Name wasn't on it.
Yeah, there's like a different genre too.
It's the different style of his writing too.
Oh, definitely. It's notably.
Not supernatural, not creepy horror, nothing.
It's it's definitely different, Yeah.
He's not trying to build a a world, he's just giving you just
enough about the world to make you feel that it's an awful one.

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Yeah, I mean, the Stand wasn't horror themed really either.
No, but he built. He he went.
I remember he went into such detail over so many different
things that led up to it that the reason why it still exists
anyway. But yeah, read the book.
Right. Oh, it's in.
The last thing was the Darius Star Trek Universe panel, and we

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went into the Mr. Balin. Mr. Balin, No.
We didn't go into that at all. Sort of a little bit, but we
didn't have too much on it. He just wrote a book and stuff
like that. Anyway, after we record this,
I'm going to trim down that conversation and hopefully by
the time you see this, that episode will have already
released. Currently, that live stream went
on for two hours and 48 minutes by the numbers.

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We included a lot of text clips,pictures that came out of the
panels. It's a it's a really
entertaining and fun thing to record with all of you.
Live last night. Today is Sunday, October 12th at
4:36 PM. Just to give you context.
What? Has happened.
Just to give everybody context where we are in time, because

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this these episodes go out days later, this.
Is going to get cut anyway, so. No, what?
This? Oh my.
Gosh, no, because he's talking that's.
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check it out and get it as soon as possible.
Yeah, in theaters only on November.
November 14th or 7th. Whichever one it is.

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The running the. 7th or the 14th?
Yeah. How does contraband relate to
what we saw of this episode? Drugs.
Contraband. Be specific.
Them trying to get the differentdrugs from Fede for Roberto.
Touching. Roberto was also contraband.
Carol was smuggling him out of the.
City touching. Next one.

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Daryl tried to steal Luciano back, who is contraband.
Husseina, you mean, but perfectly understand.
Husseina yes, sorry, I get the names Luciana.
Wouldn't that be nice? Did she end up in Spain?
Don't know, but they speak Spanish funny here.
And the rest of the Ofrenda ladies, refugees or not?

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The lady that was with Husseina,we don't know if that's Alba.
Don't think it was though. Right, Because we saw Alba.
I don't think it. Was Alba?
I assumed it was a lady from another city that they had
stopped at and they'll stop. There along the way that's.
Cool, my legislation. An ofrenda every 20 miles.
Through this we got defended a proof that the Ofrenda is

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happening in many, many different cities.
They're taking these ladies basically every year from each
town and bringing them into El Al Qatar, which again means the
palace, the royalty. Lia made a comment about the
girl playing the guitar. Sandra, Yeah.
That she wasn't matched. Right, that's another little
tidbit. Yeah, that was an interesting

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piece of information and a a bitof an answer almost.
Well I assumed it was like he holds court basically that you
would get matched to someone within the.
Court. Yeah.
And then if you don't, then you're unmatched and you're
treated like. Slavery.
A slave. Yeah, yeah.
There was another big, big, hugething which I think was very

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helpful to hear was that it was only supposed to occur once.
As usual when it comes to anything of authority or
anything system that you're going to try is that once the
door is open. Well, OK, we did it once and the
people let us do it once, right?They take their girls, they
smuggled these girls that can't as contraband.
Well, let's do it some more. You're OK with it the first
time? We'll give them some stuff just

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for the pleasure. With it.
But whatever they're using them for worked in their favor, so
that's why they're going to continue doing it.
When they created a system, it wasn't just a one time thing.
Now what I loved the most was that in a way, every little
thing that we said across many different episodes ended up
being correct. Even the thing about what POS
says we population are some BS. But my original theory was OK,

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they they're trying to make it so that what limited people
there are left in all these different little towns and
whatnot scattered across Spain. Well, they're not marrying their
cousins and stuff like that and having babies.
We're switching off people in different cities, or at least
centralizing them so that we're not creating genetic
abnormalities and stuff like that.
Well, we don't know yet that these women are being dropped
off in these other towns. No, not that, but at least

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they're somewhere else besides where they are now.
Oh. Yeah.
Yeah, but yeah, that's what I originally said.
You're right. And no, definitely not that.
It's the insidiousness of them not being matched.
It's like they have so many of them.
They're not forcing them to be matched with people that they
that they don't want to be matched these royalty or
whatever people. We're assuming it's royalty.
I don't I don't even know if I would say royalty, but I mean,

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obviously somebody that these politicians, I mean that's what
they write the. Well, we don't even know that,
right? Matching them well for, I mean,
that's just the word that I'm going to use.
We don't know, but hold on. My mouth is getting ahead of my
thoughts. I know where I want to go, but
I'm not. Well, they're not being there
with whatever the entity is. We'll say Al Al Qatar is like
the institution, correct? So Guillermo's the one going

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around and gathering up these women, presenting them to these
men, people who are helping him in some way.
Because he's vying for him in some way.
And this is his way to give backto them or make them happy in
some way, right? They're very happy to perpetuate
this system, yeah. Right.
So to not be matched. I I was under the impression

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these men are choosing these women.
The women aren't choosing them. So to say they weren't matched
is sickening. She should have said she wasn't
chosen because she's not going to pick one of these.
I can say yes. It's like you said.
I could say hey. Amazing bitch.
Looks like we have to kind of, we have to ration these, but

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right, What choice does she have?
None. She was.
So you could say she has a choice, but really she shouldn't
be picky. To be picky means you end up
being a slave. Yeah, and I didn't get the
impression that she had any say in it.
So basically she just wasn't chosen.
And then none of these men wanted her for whatever reason,
so they turned her into a slave and it was just horrible.
Still want more information and I, and I hope we get it,

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whatever the answer is, is goingto be just awful.
But I would like some clarification on what the heck
is happening. I think I got enough answers
from this episode by way of the Saint George slang, the dragon
metaphor, Because the whole ideaof that is they fed a system
that made it so that they wouldn't be oppressed, let's
say. So they kept feeding it, They

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kept feeding it girls, let's say.
They kept feeding it their pliability, their the lack of
resistance. The animals.
Right, the animals once. They ran out of animals.
They started giving women. Themselves, right?
Exactly. And one of them was Elena, the
Princess. The Princess.
And who's Saint George? But Paz?
I just love that analogy. It's great with her little whip.

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It's. So you think so you think Paz is
going to be the Saint George, not Daryl?
I initially thought Daryl right but then it makes so much more
sense that it's path and she is literally a Princess in the
story, not just a figurative oneof the next in line.
Until he is sworn as king. She is not a queen.
That sort of thing. So.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was kind of cute,

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but then everything relates to that, what's happening in
Celeste Mar, that situation. But even though it directly ties
to what's happening, the drama that's happening in the Q TAD
via the old city basically is what they're referring to the
stronghold of El Al Qatar. I really really enjoyed this
episode. I think I really liked
everything from beginning to endexcept for one thing.

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I want to get mad for just a minute and then we can talk
about all the other amazing things that outweighed this one
thing that really irritated. You want to vent so I can try to
fix it, but I can't fix it. You're not going.
You're not going to fix it. You're.
You're there's no fixing this, so OK, calm down.
She's mad. She's not mad at me.

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I'm just mad they set up this elaborate takedown, right?
Stop him at the checkpoint and it seems like it's going really
well. I'm all excited.
I'm like, yeah, they got the other the guys over there and
they're shooting out and everything is going really well.
And then ultimately, we know they don't get Hostina, which,
first of all, I'm like, wow, So this whole thing was for
absolutely nothing. Guillermo's still alive,

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Hostina's still trapped. But this story's got to go on,
All right? Frustrating, but on purpose.
OK, The gate opens and they start driving through, right?
The first car with Guillermo andElena are in there.
And then puzzles like, oh, no, they're dude, they're driving
away. We got to stop them and then the
truck with Christina and it starts driving away.
Who's driving that truck and whyis PAWS not shooting them?

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It's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point.
You're saying? Because they messed up.
She was standing. Right, easily shooting every
take out the driver or distracting the driver.
Of. The truck honestly probably for
the best though because of all the dead coming out.
Probably would have been worse to be locked in that cage and
then them not be able to get to it.
I do see what you're saying and it is frustrating.

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Because if they shoot the driver, the truck stops the dead
approach the entrance and even if you get the thing open, then
they're. Well, I know Hoistina and her
her friend are trapped in this cage.
That's not Obviously not. Being able to, so probably, I
guess it had to go that way because otherwise they're
trapped in the middle of a horse.
But in the moment, I'm like, shoot the driver.
Yeah, no, I get that you're saying.

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Shoot the driver, jump in the cab, drive away.
That lock was so rusty, how could he not get it?
But they messed up, so they madea wrong choice.
They could have went for the driver, but instead they chose
to OK, if we can get just get her out, then she'll be out and
they'll move on, right? They'll just go away.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they need to save
themselves. It happened this way.
And Rachel, you said this is to further the plot, but it's so

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that Elena becomes the target ofrescue as well, because
otherwise they get Hasina and then they're like, all right,
let's go. And that's kind of the end of
it. And ultimately, I don't know,
I'm going to ask this. Maybe you feel the same way,
maybe you don't. I feel like Elena is not going
to want to leave I. Thought the same thing.
Given the opportunity, it'll be like an Andrea and the Governor

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moment. She'll have the opportunity to
Nix him and she won't do it because she reaps a lot of
benefit from being with him. Whereas yeah, it may not be
ideal, but there is such a thingas Stockholm syndrome.
That's and you've been with him for a long time.
It's less about benefit than it is sympathizing for with your
captor or something to that effect.
We don't know. What kind of person she is
either. All we know is this romanticized

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version of her that pops pause is giving us a good point.
We don't actually know what kindof person she is.
She could be a horrible person. We don't know.
That's a really good point. Pauses and seniors.
She's helping to talk people into being happy about giving
their daughters away. Granted, yes, she's in that
situation. She has to.
And in this kind of system, like, who's to say that?
Well, we make up the rules Frontier justice.

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The second she steps out of line, well, I'll just get
another one. I'm next in line.
I could do whatever I want. The way Fed is acting in this
episode, as long as he doesn't have something to hold over you,
he can do whatever he wants. You leave town, you do this, you
do. Antonio, shut up because I have
something to hold over your head, Mom, shut up.
I don't love anybody else but you.
That sort of thing. What a.

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Weird thing to say to your mom and also your mom didn't like
it. No, that's a cultural thing.
I I. Know for a fact your mom didn't
like that because in theory you're like, oh that's sweet,
but it also means that you're going to be alone forever and
your mother doesn't want that ifyour mother truly loves you and
doesn't have some sort of weird attachment issue.
There's the irony, isn't it? Because.
She's going to want you to be with somebody.
When you don't say that your momwould want that, but when you do

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say that your mom's like, OK, this is it's, it's better when I
chase you, son. It's gotten weird.
Then when you admit out loud that you don't need anybody else
but me, OK, rejection. You're the only one I need to
love me. Whoa.
And isn't that part of the reason why she helps Carol too,
on top of the fact that he made her attend to Gemma when she

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didn't need to? There was that extra bit of
like, this is weird, a man should want to be with a woman,
that sort of thing. I think it has more to do with
the fact that she knows that he has been lying as well and she
knows that he's poisoning Roberto.
She is there to take care of people.
And then also Christina was sentaway on purpose by him and she's
finding all this out at once. Like that would be enough for me

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to be like, dude, take all the medicine you need.
Take everything because of what is happening.
My son is acting horrible. Having that scene beforehand
where he says, oh, I don't need anybody but you.
But then all this other stuff, basically just everything lining
up to to where she would believewhat Carol said because it's his
mom. She has no reason to believe
this random stranger. But all these little things like

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the compass necklace, oh, he hadit with him before she left.
That's all these little things that don't quite add up lead to
the well. She knows that he's a liar,
that's why she's so defensive and says he's not a liar.
He is though. I totally thought from the last
episode when she brought him thenecklaces, she was well aware of
what happened to Justina, the whole truth.
And she was trying to protect him, be like, hey, they know.

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And so when she was confronting Carol, I thought she was totally
just going to be like, yeah, I know, I don't care.
Keep the gun. On I'm like that they didn't,
but she didn't immediately believe her.
I love that because then that's it's like, OK, I believed him
when he told me. Oh, he had it on her because why
would he lie to me? He's my son.
That makes so much sense. I love that there's that little
bit of, well, a little bit of doubt.

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Who's this random bee? See, I said, see sparingly.
Got to use sparingly. There's a lot of references to
water in this episode, too. Laughter was described as the
literal versus the metaphorical.Literally the fall they call
Qaeda, but they call the river of the dead that surrounds
Huitad. How do you say that again?
I don't know because city is Ciudad, it must be different in

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Spain. Spanish.
That word is Catalan, the Basquelanguage.
OK, Cudad via. That's what it is.
So the river, the river of the dead that's surrounding the
town. So they pronounce the CU as Q
instead of. It would be Ciudad in Spanish,
so the CU is AQ cudad. Lariada means the flood again.
A lot of water references in this episode too.

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So there's like the flood of thedead or Blackwater as well.
Blackwater meaning so deep it's dark and then the red lights and
everything like that. It does look like a kind of a a
river that surrounds the town, aMoat that.
Was very cool imagery. They call them the insatiables,
yeah. Another word for walkers?
Cuerca. No Los huecos like stop.
Trying to make it sound like pigbecause it's safe.

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It reminded me of. La puerca.
Eggs. It's Cerdos Los Insatiable.
Is that right? Yeah.
We're just like, let's let it go.
It's. Fine anyway.
Yeah, I'm tired of arguing. No, no.
I'm not sure actually. No, it was fine.
It was fine. Talk about something fun like.

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OK, let's talk about the main thing.
Kissing Antonio. No, let's not go there.
We're going to go there. Let's save that.
Let's save that for last. Oh, you want to start with the
shower? Hell yeah, I want to start with
the shower. It was funny.
We needed we needed some levity.Oh my God, dude, we ever.
I loved it. Because what is the first thing
we see Carols doing? Her Carol thing of skulking

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around. Just let's see what's happening
here. What?
Can I steal? Exactly creep.
Stealing a peak is what she's doing come.
On man like oh, I'm I'm still not used to people being around
dude it's been a minute they've been there they've been there
also you're. Showering in the middle of like

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a Plaza? What do you mean?
To be fair, he has it all to himself so he's used to being
outside the main town area. Darrell and Carol have been
there for a minute. I would have flown like the next
day but not this far into it. Well, you're not showering every
day too, so of course I could see him forgetting.
Literally, you're not showering every day in the apocalypse.

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He's like, that's a commodity. Once a week, you're not.
You're taking a horse bath in the bathroom, OK.
Well, then maybe that once a day.
Yeah, that's. What you're doing once a day, I
mean, if you're capable of doingthat once a.
Day. Then the scene progresses.
I was looking for a screwdriver quote UN quote.
Oh, no. She pauses.

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There's a clear pause. Just looking for a screwdriver.
It's like when you think you were trying to find the name of
any other tool, but the one that's staying in your head is
the one that you say that you knew you weren't supposed to
say, but you end up saying that's what she said.
It's. Like don't say screwdriver don't
say. Screwdriver, Screwdriver.
Yeah, damn. Damn it.

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So many tools. Him offering her the shower.
When I'm done, When I'm done. It's always the last part, yeah.
Don't warm if you want if you want to shower all maybe you
want. I love that she like.
To have a shower. Like such a face.
She's like. After I finish it.

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Was great. So cringe.
Love it. I should mention in the episode
or Insider TM Bridget on that specific thing.
Norman says to open that up. Carol thinks it's nice here.
Maybe she could settle here, OK,Melissa says.
That shower scene was cute. It was fun to shoot.
And he's awfully brave because that water was very cold, not

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warm. And we did take after take after
take. Poor guy.
Zabel said something very interesting about that scene
that didn't occur to me. They basically wanted to have
that scene not just because of the levity factor, but also
inverting the male female roles normally be the man's creeping
up on the woman sort of situation.
The male also the. Creep up on him.

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I mean she. Was she was a creep?
Didn't Carol is a born creep? What she should be?
Rude and also no. She should you.
Are wrong. Sexual predator somewhere.
Stop. She was very shocked.
That was not her creeping up on him.
One half dozen to the gallery, You know what I'm saying?
End result. It's what happened.

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I'm just kidding. Anyway, he's not on.
Purpose. No, of course not.
I'm just, you know, effing around with you, he said.
It's also like the male body being exposed, idolized over the
female one. There's also the cultural
difference between Americans andthe Europeans, the American
modesty versus the cultural openness of nudity in European
sensibilities. Little culture clash there

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create some fondness. Also gives you a pretty detailed
look of how bad his scarring is going down his body as well.
Good to know for later on too, because it gives you context for
when it actually happens. Oh boy.
Great makeup work by the way. Both that and what we end up
seeing later. Yes, very cool stuff.
What did you think about the found footage flashback E dream

(23:45):
sequency stuff? I know some people don't like
that. Which part?
Well, there's so many. Are you talking about Antonio's
or are you talking about Daryl's?
Oh, I'm just talking about Antonio's.
That's the only found footage. Because you said?
Even when you get to see at the end what ends up happening,
that's not part of any found footage.
Correct. No.
Antonio's found basically, whichis why I had to kind of phrase

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it like that. It's.
OK, because it was still the apocalypse.
It was at the very beginning. That's.
How they got away with that too.That's how they got away with
it. Gimple made sure.
Because when it started and it went to him being like in it, I
was like, oh, that's weird. We don't get flashbacks.
This is no flashback show. I was like, oh man, he's going
to think she's alive and she's not going to be.

(24:29):
And then it was exactly what happened, which is to have your
like hope restored and then immediately yanked away.
Which I'm sure happened to a lotof people that's been explored
before. I didn't think we'd even get
that scene. I had a sneaking suspicion that
it might have been around that time, but when we actually saw
the non found footage version ofit, I was like, oh that was kind

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of. Confused.
Yeah. Because when I saw Roberto, I
was like, oh, and he's older than I thought he would be when
his mom died. This must be the beginning.
The more I think about these episodes, I think about The
Walking Dead, Dead City. When we first started the
season, the first few episodes we saw Victor, the violin
player. There's Mahina Napoleon who

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plays Ginny, there's the girl from the Scavenger people in
Central Park and how they were such and such age when the
apocalypse happened and grew up in it.
Kind of like Carl. But I remember making that
comparison. And then what is all this for if
not for them? And yet they're dying left and
right. Well, the same thing here you
have Hustina and Roberto, and what is all this for?

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What is the future for if not for them?
We have to get leave something to a future generation to carry
on this struggle. And yet we're using them.
We're killing Roberto, we're poisoning Roberto, we're taking
Hasina away. We might do something terrible
with her. We might do something terrible
with Paz. Paz has left her dead.
She's also a young person who grew up in this nonsense as a
high school student, maybe a little after they found each

(25:54):
other in high school. I think it was that, she said.
She's at high school. It's been on my mind the last
few episodes of the season of The Walking to Daryl Dixon, how
there is a bit of play between the two spin offs, how the old
people keep things going right. We even said this in the second
episode, how Daryl and Carol were willing to kill these two
kids or whatever, or Daryl at least, sorry, just to get the

(26:16):
food so that they could get home.
Like just sacrificing the young to get to where they want to go.
But then what is all this for? It's something to keep in mind
as we reach the end of this season.
I think these things are going to be coming up with every other
spin off that we see. I think too, is how do we pass
on the torch from the people we've seen and grown to love
over time to a younger generation?

(26:37):
Even if we don't see the youngergeneration again, we have this
knowledge that they'll move on and go on and do good cool
things like they can't all die in the next episode, let's say.
Like we can't keep introducing people that end up dying and we
didn't lose Falu, let's say. And that Lady who we in our
heads think, oh, they now they've grown old together and
they're in love forever maybe. Maybe at least one person died

(26:59):
that we were just introduced to.So some of the formula has
stayed, yeah. Oh lya right, Narea is the girl
that Paz. Paz and Narea went back into
Barcelona to look for Elena after she was taken in the
Ofrenda. Right.
And then narea stayed with Khalid.
Khalid. The central nerve of the Antonio
found footage is the monologue he gives to his son, little

(27:20):
Roberto. Yeah, I love how it links to
present day because they're in this area, which I'll get into
later. And in present, the Ofrenda
refugees are there too. He says to little Roberto.
No, Dragons only exist outside of the city.
Once Upon a time, a fierce dragon terrorized the town.
Transitions to present, Antonio speaking clear.
It was so hungry that in order to keep him outside the walls,

(27:42):
they decided to give him an animal to eat every day.
And when they ran out of animalsto give him, well, the town had
no choice to send someone chosenby the draw like the Ofrenda.
And it turned out to be the Princess.
The dragon arrived breathing fire.
The Princess was sure her time had come until Saint George
arrived. Shows Daryl trying to get
through the gate. So we're led to believe it's him
visually. At the same place too.
Yeah, at the same place exactly.And it also transmissioned back

(28:05):
to the flashback video again. With his sword he killed the
dragon, and of its blood it's not a single rose, it's a rose
Bush. But he gives a single rose to
the Princess. In the actual Catalan story, by
the way, this is Saint Jordy, St.
George's Day. It's the equivalent of
Valentine's Day. St.
Jordy is the patron St. of the Basque people.

(28:25):
One gives on April 23rd a singlerose, the seneta, which is the
Catalan flag and an ear of wheatto the one they love on Saint
George's Day. And it celebrates the triumph of
good over evil and life over destruction.
Life springs from a place of death, let's say.
What? Isn't that The Walking Dead?
Saint Majority is the patron St.of Catalan since 1904.

(28:47):
There's a lot of Catalan Basque influence throughout this
episode. Which makes sense because of the
tie to the revolution. Right, and the separatists and
all that stuff. Why I bring this up is because
between the setting and the story, goodness or something,
springing up from death over theworld beyond was kind of like
that too. Beauty in the darkness.

(29:08):
I like that this theme is comingup again.
I was more paying attention to Fede's reaction to Antonio
watching it. Yeah, the reaction he had.
When he came into the room. So we find out this episode, the
thing that Fede's holding over Antonio is.
It's complicated. How Maria died, Antonio feels
responsible. I don't know that I would say

(29:29):
it's his fault because I don't think he put the bomb in the
car, but but he definitely feelsresponsible.
And for some reason, Antonio didn't tell Roberto that his mom
died in an explosion question mark or didn't tell him that he
felt like it was his fault. So Fede is holding this
information over his head. I'm going to tell Roberto that

(29:51):
it was your fault. You got his mom killed
essentially. Sure, I'm going to guess that he
just said that she died because of the fall.
Because it was the same day, right?
Because. It was the same day so that she
she turned so he could have saidthat she was bit or anything
else and. He could have, but I don't know.
I mean, now that we know, oh, the what I mean.
I can't put myself in Antonio's place, obviously, but I almost

(30:15):
feel like the truth is better than the lie.
I don't disagree. Yeah, no, they're.
Standing up for what they believed in.
I mean, yes, she didn't want to be there at that particular
moment, but it sounded like she still at least believed in what
they were doing in general. She didn't want to be at that
specific spot, but she died fighting for something she
believed in. I don't see why that's such a
terrible thing to No, she didn'tbelieve.

(30:37):
She had literally said she felt like it wasn't right to give
voice to terrorists. Also, that's not the only thing
going on here. I mean, it's very obvious.
I'm not saying anything that everybody doesn't already know,
but clearly Fede was in love with Maria, that is.
Very much so, yes. I was very uncomfortable
watching him pet the picture. I felt like Carol perving on the

(30:58):
situation. I don't know what the actual
relationship was. It could have been him, right,
unrequited. It could have been that they
dated and they broke up and he never got over it.
But I think from Fede's perspective, he now believes
like, OK, well, Antonio, you were responsible for her death.
And even though Antonio probablyin the back of his mind is like,

(31:19):
well, I didn't put the bomb there, You know, he's going to
blame himself because he was there and he pushed her into it.
Then on top of that, now you've got this guy who's like, Oh
yeah, definitely you got killed.Because in Fede's mind, if he
was with Maria, he would have protected her.
He would have made sure she didn't get hurt.
And instead she goes off with Antonio and she dies.
Protected she would never been in this to begin with because

(31:40):
clearly he does things to keep people safe.
Makes trade-offs specifically for it too willing to be pliant
to get the things that he wants to.
It's revolutionary versus. It's weird because I'm still not
ready to write off Feta 100% yet.
They've written this character to be too compelling for me to
be like, yeah, he's just the worst guy.

(32:01):
Well. Clearly, he's not.
He loves. To say he's the worst guy, I
would say he's not great becausetried to kill Roberto in this
episode. Yes, exactly.
And normally that would be enough for me to be like, I hate
this guy and I don't like him and he should die.
But instead I'm kind of like, I don't know, maybe there's still
more to this than I'm not seeing.
So if he's going to do like a 100% flip over to a heel, at

(32:24):
this point, I don't know that I'm going to be able to like go
along with it. See, I would, though, because
even good people, when you see, and I wouldn't say good people,
but I think it's normal for manyof us to fall Into Darkness.
If you feel like you have to keep up a lie long enough that
you're willing to go, OK, I'm going to go here, but I'm not
going to go further than that orI'm going to go here.

(32:44):
I'm not going to go further thanthat.
And FedEx, Yeah. But you're extremely optimistic
about people's character and I. Had nothing to do with about the
reality of the situation. When you don't instantly find
yourself in evil territory all the time, people sometimes have
to creep up to it. And then after 13 years, you
creep up into it for so long, you.
Don't even realize you're. There exactly.
Yuri Besnanov speaks about this a lot, how an opposition will

(33:07):
try to get you to believe one thing and then you go no, and
then they you fall back to an original line.
Then they make you to believe one thing and they push you back
and they push you back to an original line.
But in the meanwhile, they've softened you up to move to a
certain point that you didn't think you would end up being
after a certain time, which is the whole entire goal of
basically evil. You end up doing more and more
things that you didn't think youwould end up doing.

(33:28):
And after such a long time, you end up here in this spot where
you're willing to poison an innocent person who just wants
his girl back, who was possibly your son, right?
Yeah, maybe. To play devil's advocate because
I'm where Bridget's at right now, I am too.
That's. What I'm saying?
Not a great guy, but I'm not sure he's the worst guy either.

(33:49):
And I'm going to say this from his perspective.
Him trying to kill Roberto couldbe him doing this for the rest
of his people. This one sacrifice to save the
many people that he has to look out for.
OK, need him. Well, I'm just.
I know that's what I said. From his.
Perspective. I'm not justifying.

(34:10):
I'm not saying it's well. Yeah, no, because I can see him,
you know, he's sacrificing his niece, thinking I'm helping to
ensure the establishment of thisagreement that we have.
That's because if. This lie gets out.
Everything falls apart. If I'm not saving everybody,
this whole thing collapses. Everybody falls apart without me
in charge. He even says I don't want this

(34:31):
stranger opening up a can of worms that runs here that's
going to cause everything to fall apart.
And see, both Antonio and Fede put it on themselves.
They put all of that on themselves.
They're a mirror of each other. They both love the same woman
too, on top of everything else. But now that Roberto knows the
truth, there's nothing holding Antonio back.
Correct. And you see it.

(34:52):
That's exactly why you're confronted him, yeah.
Man, the visual storytelling in these episodes has been so spot
on. As soon as he does the thing and
he says you can go now, Carol. And Fed is like, yeah, you
should go, you should go now, Carol, you should.
You're not involved. Get the hell out of your.
Bee out of this. Major Bee Yeah.
Then immediately after that, Carol does the She's going away

(35:13):
and then it shows Antonio's in the front and then the three of
them line up behind him. The style of Sergio and Fede
basically, But they line up there.
They have their guns like out like this, like Fede has a stick
out like this, like as if they're about to strike.
Antonio accentuating the sacrifice he's making for Carol
and Roberto to get away. Perfect.
It's so perfect. I'm going to include it in this.

(35:34):
I don't care. It's so good.
Sorry, I gotta hit it myself. That's good.
None of. Us were going to fight you on
it. So the fact that you're like, I
don't care. I'm like, OK, I don't care what
you said. I'm not in the editing.
Booth, I'm not mad. You do whatever you want dude.
No, guys, seriously, I have to include a shot of it.

(35:55):
Stop arguing with me including it.
Oh yeah, I'm in charge. I'm Teddy.
That's why my subtitles I'm El Al Qatar.
I am the Kingdom, I'm the Palace.
I've changed. I changed my mind.
I hate fighting. Let's show the Darrell flashback

(36:17):
photos. Wants to talk about the yeah
about. That'll tie into the dragon
metaphor a little bit more in ways that I don't think maybe
one of you, at least I might have thought, but.
We're watching something. Yeah, yeah, I have it.
I had to get a video. I couldn't do still images
anymore. No, there was.
Two things so much better. I'm going to be pausing here
because it come it goes by pretty quickly.
First of all, notice that the order is very wonky.

(36:38):
Dreams are kind of like that. But still, I want to get your
take on that in just a SEC, but here we go.
OK, so Daryl's running in the woods, young boy.
It's Merle. Get out of here.
Yes, it is. Daryl says you got to come too.
You got to come too go. So Merle's coming and running.

(37:02):
There's a little Daryl. I'm scared, Daryl.
I'm not familiar with the terminology.
I love that. I love the hall ass.
It's like we're all in the dream.
Now go don't look back. Don't you ever look back?

(37:27):
Doesn't the dad sound like Merle?
A little. Dang it, I wanted you to go back
and pause on that blue building.There was another flashback
where it looked like it was closer to that trailer, but in
this one it looks like it's directly in front of Daryl and
then he turns to look back to the trailer.
Yeah, he did. In one of the still shots from
the other flashbacks, he does. And he did.
We saw another one where it was closer to the trailer, right?

(37:49):
No, it was about it. Was like an optical illusion.
It was a different perspective. Daryl was a little further away,
yeah. It was coming like this way.
I don't know. I don't know how to describe
this. Don't you ever go back, monkey.
Don't you worry about me. I can take it, right?
Got to come through. I'll be OK.

(38:13):
Go on. OK, That's it.
Really. Darrell, come back here.
Bridget, give me your impressionof what happened here.
We speculated at the very beginning of the season as to
when it was and who was who, andour first guest was that the
older looking kid was Merle. But then we kind of went back on
that a little bit back and forthand it was like, was it Darrell?

(38:34):
Was it Merle? There were a lot of
conversations about what time No, no, I.
Said no. We discussed it and.
You guys. Were like, I think that's
Darrell you. Guys said.
It was Merle. And I didn't change my position.
Rob. At all.
We we kind of went back on the second episode and then reversed
on the third again the. Beautiful window.

(38:54):
Thank you, Little. Back and forth, you guys.
Were just like confusing. Me.
Anyway. No.
Anyway, the kid who looks like Bud Court I had said was
probably Merle then because there was the second guess Dave.
Then we went back and forth on when this had occurred.
Was this after Merle had left home?

(39:16):
What's the disparity between their ages?
Merle and Daryl at the beginningof the show look like there's
enough of an age gap there for Merle to be considerably older
than Daryl. Yeah, like 8 to 10 sort of
years. Yeah, even including the.
Daryl is now the age Merle was when he died in the current time
on only as close to it. Oh well, you well over probably.

(39:39):
But that would be like what? Then there's like. 15 I think he
also confirmed in these episodesthis the fall.
Was 13 years ago. OK, so like 13 years like the
disparity in this flashback doesn't look like 13 years to me
personally, but that's OK. It's besides the point.
It doesn't matter really anyway.So it's nice to have
confirmation like fully obviously we had in the last
couple flashback scenes that this is still when Merle is at

(40:01):
home now their mother is past. At this point we can make the
assumption because dad is drunk and angry all of the time and
Merle is doing. Exactly what had been talked
about in Walking Dead seasons about how like, he protected
Darrell until he didn't, until he left.
So we're not quite at that pointyet.
So it's nice to see this brotherly love and Darrell

(40:21):
mentions in this episode of veryspecific, it's a retort to
something. Pause says she is talking about
losing people. Directly afterwards, right?
Yeah, as they're having their little conversation by the the
fire, she's talking about losingpeople.
And she didn't want to give up hope looking for Elena because
if she did, that meant she had to accept it.
Obviously. I think with the flashback and

(40:42):
everything else, you'd be like, oh, he's talking about morale.
He's not. He's talking about Rick If he
never gave up looking for Rick, because if he if he did, it
meant he had to accept that Rickwas dead.
And since he never found a body,he was refusing to believe that,
which is great because as we allknow, Rick is not dead.
So like, good for you not not going for that because you don't

(41:03):
need to. He's alive, you just don't know
it yet. Which it's like a double edged
sword because once they decide to go after Elena slash
Christina, there's an added little element of, well, this
inspires Daryl to be like, I don't have to give up on Rick, I
just don't have to look for him.Actively.
Yes. Which is what Michonne came to
the before she ultimately found him was about to leave with that

(41:26):
same mindset. Like I can hope that he's still
out there, but I don't have to put what before.
Yeah, until she found the boots and then she was like, wait a
second, he is no. I'm talking about in the second
episode of the. Ones who live the.
Ones who live, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Maybe after everything she's been through with Nate, I was.
Like Nate doesn't feel right. You're.
Close. For a year.

(41:46):
Remove a letter. Yeah, after the Whisperer War,
basically. Anyway, it's nice to give
Darrell the reassurance that it was OK to continue to look for
him because everyone kept sayingyou should stop, you should come
back. And even Carol, his best friend,
kept saying come back to us. And it's like, I get that.
But he kind of needed to know that it was OK that what he was
doing was for his brother. And that was important because

(42:09):
he's already lost a brother. And so I think that's why it
ties together like this, is he needs to feel OK continuing to
look for his brother because he already lost a brother who
really did care about him, POS or not.
Merle because he does have a redemption arc.
Right, literal brother translates to found brother.
Basically is that's what my think he was.

(42:29):
He transfers all that love and respect that he had for Merle to
Rick, which is weird. Or vice versa even 'cause like
the love you have, like with Rick could be like, oh, Burl
wasn't such a bad guy after all or whatever.
Well, Daryl, like it doesn't matter.
Merl was a bad guy. He knew Merl was his perfect, he
was his Big Brother and he stoodup for him.

(42:51):
So now the audience can finally see what it is that Daryl saw in
Merl. This protective Big Brother who
said I can take it, I'm strong, it's OK, you run, I'll protect
you. This is what he saw in his
brother. We all have people like this in
our lives that maybe aren't perfect affect but their family
for whatever reason and we see something in them that other

(43:12):
people just can't see. Right.
Oh, why do you hang out with this guy?
Or friend even? Yeah, he's a.
Right. So now the audience finally gets
a glimpse into what he saw this whole time.
And I look back on Merle and remember him quite fondly by the
end. Now, part of that is the fact
that he's played by Michael Rooker.
And Michael Rooker does a phenomenally charismatic job of

(43:32):
playing a just a really hateablecharacter.
So, so you want to like him because Michael Rooker's like
just a nice guy. And you're like, oh, but he's so
funny and. He's like, he's fun to watch
being a complete jerk, but not always because he has that light
side. And he came around at the in the
end, he did, you know, eventually.
Doesn't hurt. But it's interesting that this

(43:54):
is coming up in this show, whichis a spinoff so far gone from
the main series, because it really is telling the story of
Season 1. Darrell, Really.
Someone who didn't think he could be strong.
There is an aspect of this episode that tells the story of
Season 1 Carol. That's what I want to get to as
well. Would like to get to it but it
has to do with her relationship with Antonio so I'm waiting.

(44:15):
I want to add one extra little bit of spice to what you're
saying, too, because what happens to Path?
But Nerea ends up leaving with Khalid, right?
To be together with him, right? She moves on to go for Elena,
Who is that? Carol and Ezekiel, while
Darryl's in the woods looking for Rick.
Rick's body, Carol and Ezekiel having their family.

(44:37):
Right. OK, yeah, I get.
That Ezekiel was. Supposed to die OK, Carol was
also. Hard.
But they're trying to map these two characters, these badass
characters, as similar beings too, so it's no wonder.
I just like that. I love that it's closer than we
think. The story particularly loved the

(44:58):
line that has delivered after Daryl says, oh, I've lost a lot
of people. And she said yeah, but they
don't all hurt the same. Yep.
That's to the audience too, by the way.
Cat one got me. Right in the gut.
That one got me. I haven't felt very emotional
during this. This either.
There's been powerful themes butnothing has been.

(45:20):
Oh man. Which when I watch regular
Walking Dead it's like they're Icry a lot.
Still this one. Yes, still.
I've seen it so many times. I still cry.
This one hasn't really gotten methere.
I don't know why. And that was a moment that I was
like, Oh yeah man, you are not kidding.
A. Flood of faces went through my

(45:41):
mind. All the people that Darrell, all
the people that we've seen on this show, people in real life,
they do hurt different. Wait, people in in Norman's real
life? No, no, our lives.
Oh, sorry, our lives. Are losing people in our real
lives. Yeah, and something a bit
harder. Sure.
It's actually one of two lines in this episode that really got
me. It was that one.

(46:01):
Then it was the one about being far away, Khalid said.
Well, everything is far away now, but it isn't, Daryl says
something to the fact. Tell me about it or something,
yeah. It's like, so it's very, but
that to me is like like, Oh yeah, it's like it is so far
away right now from you. And not even physically, just
like emotionally, you're so far away from that place right now.

(46:24):
That and no matter where you're traveling to is dangerous, which
makes it farther because it's somuch more dangerous to get any
place. It's like such a pregnant line
too, because emotionally, if we don't let it go, it's closer
than we think if we don't allow ourselves to let it go.
Why do you think of it even in terms though Dave of like he
can't ever go back to a point where Isabel is alive?

(46:45):
Well, and then the time where heleft Merle, there's there's a
lot of similar to there. It's.
Like there's all these points inhis life that he can never
travel back to. Like everything is far away now.
There's just something about that that's really easy.
You can never go back and write that these.
Were like 2 lines. These were two lines in this
episode that I was like, I, I don't like this.
Don't make me feel things. I don't.

(47:06):
How dare you? I don't want.
To how dare you? I will say, and maybe this is a
good springboard to get here, but the thing that made me cry,
not the first time. The first time I saw this, I was
hooting and hollering. I was like, yes, get it.
The second time I was like, thisis getting me really hard I

(47:28):
can't believe this is happening.Oh, look at their eyes and look
at their mouth, and as they're kissing each other, the.
Kiss. He's going for the kiss, OK.
That's what got me. Got to get there eventually.
That made me like literally tearup the second time around
because before I was just like too excited in the moment.
Like, yes, it's happening. Yes, finally we're here.
So much is released in this moment.
I didn't feel overly emotional about it.
I thought it was nice. I was like, happy for Carol.

(47:51):
I don't know, Rachel, how did you feel about it?
Carol's you're deeply connected.She is.
She's my girl. We've been waiting for this
since Carolyn Antonio met. There was an instant spark, but
it built up over these episodes and I wasn't overly emotional
like David was. I wasn't until the second time.
What made me feel something was his reasoning for doing it.

(48:14):
He's trying to get these words out and, and ultimately he's.
Falling short? Kind of like me right now,
right? Trying to find the words, but
it's really about the care she'sbeen giving Roberto.
He sees her care for Roberto, which I mean, let's be honest,
Carole, track record with kids is not great.

(48:35):
So it made me nervous. He's.
At least he's like, yeah, he's older and.
Now he now he's sending his kid off with her.
Anyway, that's not really what we're talking about, but I
thought it was very sweet. Ultimately, this was like his.
Thank you for taking such good care of my kid.
And also, I think you're super cute and now I'm going to kiss

(48:56):
you. And at first I was like, oh,
she's not really receptive of this, right?
Yeah, first. And then And then there was a.
Moment. And we know Carol, right?
She jumps feet first into revenge, but maybe not romance.
So I think it took her a minute to feel OK accepting this.

(49:18):
It took her a minute to say I dodeserve this, and I'm so glad
that she allowed herself to because she does deserve it.
And maybe she's thinking I'm going to be gone in a day
anyway, So what the hell? Or not.
Maybe she'll still continue to try to get him to come.
Valentina is going to want all the details because she.

(49:41):
Will give them my will. I feel like Valentina.
This is exactly how it went down.
I loved how she asked like did you taste the local wine And
she's like you are the worst. This relationship.
Corniest show in The Walking Dead.
She's. The female.
Dave, I think something really interesting about Carol's

(50:02):
relationship with all of these kids is that now she's gotten to
parent kids at every stage. And this is like the stage.
She never could get to these like grown children.
And so I don't know what'll happen, but if she can be like a
mother to Roberto, it's like she's finally gotten to that
point where a child has gotten to adulthood and she's been able

(50:24):
to be there through. Berto better survive, there's a
long. I know, so no she can't.
There's another one I can't handle.
It really can't handle. It in this moment with the kiss,
I'd mentioned that it's like season 1 Daryl.
We got like that story. Season 1 Carol is here at this
time with the kiss. Kind of this whole scene, this
whole thing with Antonio as I'm watching it, I'm just coming to

(50:44):
the startling realization that when Antonio was like yelling at
her in the apartment, he's like map and she doesn't even flinch.
She's putting together canned goods in a box.
She says you can come with us and he is refusing and she's
like, he said you don't understand.
And she said, well then help me understand he's.
Getting really, he's very he's very angry in that moment, like

(51:06):
very defensive. All I could think was like, oh
man, one her response. How appropriate for a trauma
produced woman truly to in that moment when a man is screaming,
she's not even like flinching oranything.
She just stands there and she goes, then help me understand,
because that would be your response would be like, well,
I'm going to take it off of me and put it back on you so that

(51:29):
you're not like getting progressively more angry at me.
Well, and also because he's a good man, I'm going to try
giving him the benefit of the doubt.
She doesn't have to worry about it with him, but it doesn't just
go away. And especially for people not
received any therapy at all during any of this time.
She has not. So that trauma is still in
there. I'm just constantly in awe of
how much she's grown. And this whole situation with

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Antonio is like such a huge reminder of how different she
used to be, just how meek and mild, and how now she's breaking
in. By the way, Carol, just blow out
the Lantern, man. Just like, go blow out that
Lantern as you're breaking into a window so that you're not in
candlelight. You just went from here to
there. Fast travel.
You don't have to be in candlelight.

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You don't have to be in candlelight the whole time.
You could just blow that light out.
But it's a weirdo just. To just to see.
Also just I want to get this outof the way.
It just isn't. Well, that part really bothered
me. I was like, what the hell?
She's like a revelation of a person finding it incredible to
me. After all of this too.
Well, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Sweeping the other one, killing people.

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Way too far. Or like be like.
Shane. Oh, you're a murderer and you
have a list of people that you've killed, but you're crying
over it at night because you're really not OK with it.
Oh yeah. Or oh, you won't stop following
this person even though it's going to be your death if you
don't stop and someone luckily is there to literally stop you
from walking off of a Cliff. It's interesting to see her now

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kind of come back to the Carol she pretended to be in.
Alexandria is almost who this is.
Well, even that was kind of a. Well, that was like an over.
It was like an over the top thing.
It's more that middle ground of,yes, she was a homemaker and a
mother and she was good at that job and she was a sweet kind of
person who fell into a bad situation.

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But she is super strong, stronger than arguably most of
the characters on The Walking Dead.
And yet here she is somewhere inthe middle.
Finally, after so many years of watching her character
development, she's finally at a point where she is who she was
really meant to be. It took this long for her to
become that person. 13 years I. Know, isn't it kind of like

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Merle too? Like we were talking about
Merle, how he would take the beatings basically and he would
take, he says it in the flashback and we know it
offhand, but they're similar in that respect, Merle and Carol.
And maybe that's why Daryl has such an affinity for Carol too.
It's like another layer to the affinity.
I think it was part of the reason that Daryl and Carol
connected is because they both knew what it was like to live

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with abuse. He tried to play it off as,
like, you're stupid because, like, you could have just left,
but he knew what it was like to not be able to leave.
Yeah, truly, that was just his defense mechanism to push people
away. That's really probably why.
You don't want any of this smoke, basically.
I want to know what Rob thinks about the kiss.

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What were you feeling? Oh, I was thinking finally you
guys like. Wrap that up already.
That tension has been there for the last couple episodes and to
finally have it happen was very much a relief for Carol and
Antonio. Rob's been writing Misses
Antonio in notebooks. Hearts around.

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This is Antonio, whatever his last name is.
Stars and guards. But like that five pointed star
that you make with one unicursalline because you don't know how
to make the irregular stars don't look right.
You know when you try to make one that's just an outline of a
star? They really don't shut up, Dave.
Don't talk about it. I'm just calling us all.

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Out, aren't I? Aren't I?
Though? I'm perfect though, David.
It's all about angles. He's.
Kind of know your. Angles so I'm.
Saying see, Rob can do it. Rob's like, fully capable of
moving. All in with the ruler.
What? Did you kind of approach that
he's? A ruler idiot.
Dave, it's just you and me who can't do it, apparently.

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How can you tie Antonio to Carola little bit more?
I was poring over some like, data on the way Carol's evolved
and the ways in which she's spoken about Sophia over time.
And one of the things she had said, and this is around the
time where we're talking about Alpha and Lydia, she had said
something obviously really stupid, something she couldn't
have expected. And it's something that we
actually talked about when it comes to inadvertently about

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Judith and well, more Gracie than it is Judith.
How she said I wished I'd toughened up.
Sophia and Alpha said similar things both on the show and in
Tales of The Walking Dead, how she kept her from having to
toughen up and all that stuff. And it's a really callous thing
to say about first of all, yourself, like putting the blame
on yourself for something that you inarguably could not have

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prevented Sophia turning. And it's the same as Antonio,
isn't it? You put it on yourself that you
were in the wrong place in the wrong time, trying to do
something right when something horrible happened that was
completely out of your control, something you didn't see coming.
You couldn't see Sophia getting mixed up and running away.
And I'm Cara wasn't even there was if any of you want to blame
anybody, blame Rick for Sophia getting lost, then eventually

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getting bit. It's the idea of the world or
the situation being so horrible that you've nobody to blame but
yourself. And Antonio and she do the same
thing. She finds a reason to blame
herself for Sophia getting bit over.
And this is over a long period of time.
She's a time to think about thisfor a long time.
And she ultimately blames herself.
And so when I saw them kiss, it goes back to what they were
saying before about the aphorism.

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One poison cures another, and I looked into it and it's not just
an aphorism in Spanish, it's howmodern medicine works too, using
one toxin to counteract another.There are many reasons why one
toxin will make it so that a disease or another toxin will
not be able to take hold, take effect for various metabolic
reasons, or the toxin attacks the thing that the other thing

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is trying to attack first, so itdoesn't work.
Like chemotherapy? Exactly that right?
So when I saw them kiss, it's like no risk no reward thing if
you don't take the risk. The long standing poison of her
holding on to this thing to not thinking she has she can live in
something. I can't wait to talk about that
part. And then moving into a stage
where again slaying the dragon and out of the Dragon's blood, a

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rose Bush emerges. You slay that dragon and you get
to move on. And the gift for moving on is
you get to live. Do you remember what they said
earlier? He'll talk to you eventually Is
she says it's to Antonio about Roberto.
The thing telling a lie is when you get to start telling the
truth, it really does kind of set you free.
And she's speaking to herself here.
First you survive what happened to you, then you survive your

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survival, and after time you getto start living again.
Part of that reference is to Ash, to her lie.
So it's a tie in to the last season, which is nice because
it's like Ash is gone. And so it's just like, oh, bye,
we forgot about you. I guess we're not talking about
you anymore. Thanks for the plane.

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I really do hope they open the next season with where they're
at and then that ties into how the season ends or something
like that. So I really want to know where
Milan and Ash are. I would have loved if they had
alternated episodes, but that's just me personally.
Oh right, like keeping that thread open.
I see what you're saying. There's more to this quote
though. It's actually attributed to
something very specific because I was like, that is from

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something. It's a quote that's often
recited. So I kind of went down a little
bit of a rabbit hole but landed on just this part.
This quote is often attributed to the work of Holocaust
survivor Viktor Frankel and in his book Man's Search for
Meaning, which is basically about meaning and suffering in
the cornerstone of logotherapy, which is meaning centered
psychotherapy that involves Socratic dialogue to help
clients to suffer their values, paradoxical intention to

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confront their fears, and D reflection to shift the focus
away from self absorption. It's basically a handbook on how
to move on from trauma. And I love that she says this.
You survived the thing that happened.
You survived surviving. And then if you're ready and
when you're ready, you can take the poison that is actually a
cure to move on to actually living a life, to kick start

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your life again. That kiss for them was her way
of doing that. OK, now you've gotten this far,
you need a little taken the tuchus to live life again, which
is why, like when when you go back to the episode or insider
Bridget TM, when Norman says shecould stay here, find out how
far this can go. There's no reason for you to
leave except for the we said this in other episodes.

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I just want to go home factor. But why?
What's waiting for you there? I had thought I thought about
this. What is waiting for you at home,
Carol Daryl. Of course I can.
I get that. The only person that you'd be
going home for is Daryl. I can't see a reason for her to
have to go home. Can you guys a tangible reason
for Carol except for not for us?But I want it exactly.

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I mean, it's just not that there's no one she doesn't love
over there. She's still got pretty much
everyone from Alexandria, Judith, all of them.
That's still her family. Is it enough for her to give up
on an opportunity to find happiness with someone else?
Right, It's that's really the question.
It's like the 1-2 punch here. I'm not trying to push you guys.

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I think the bigger question is would she be safe if she stayed
there with Antonio? I feel like trying to talk him
into going back to Alexandria would be the safer choice.
And then she gets to have her cake and eat it too.
Or we do, I guess. Yeah, we do.
We definitely do. And at this point, even if
Roberto forgives his father, he still wants to leave.

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He wants a chance at a differentlife.
And you know how it is with young people.
Like, he's going to be like, no,this is what I want to do.
I want to, I want to strike out on my own.
And so like. Barcelona leaving Celeste Lamar.
I hope they all go, but like, maybe it ends up being like
Valentina's like, Oh well, I'll take them.
And now there's not enough room for you, Daryl and Carol.
You have to figure out another way to get home.

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They're just sending people to the US without leaving
themselves. I.
Think the implication by Carol saying you all can tell me
everybody that there's more thanbeen four seats on the boat so.
Everyone at Alexander's, like people keep showing up to the
door saying Daryl and Carol sentthem but we haven't seen them in
years. Where do they end up?
Well, they're in Valentina's love nest.

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Actually, they're not all my husbands.
Shut up, Dave. OK, fine.
Sometimes they're my wives. I'm looking for a screwdriver.
So many tools. There's the joke at Valentina's.
Anyhow, let's take a moment to talk about some of the cool

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things we saw in this episode that are of of note geography
wise. OK, they did talk a little tiny
bit about it in the episode or insider but not to Bridget TM
and but nothing of worth the scene where paths or path
whatever you want to say and Daryl arriving to that cathedral
area with amusement park underneath.

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I really liked the walkers on the Ferris wheel.
Yeah, I thought that was fun. How'd they not fall out after 13
years though? I was.
Well, first I was like, how did they they turned there, they
both got bed and decided to go on the Ferris wheel and I was
like, oh man, they died on it. They.
Couldn't get down. That's horrible.

(01:02:41):
They starved to death. Yeah.
Oh, no. They mentioned the episode of
Insider, but it's TB Dabo. It's beautiful.
It is religious in origin. It was a place of worship,
rituals and even sacrifices dating back to Roman times.
It's named after the monastery and it comes from the Latin TB
Dabo, the two words, and it means I will give you.
And it is a passage from Luke 46where Satan tempts Jesus with

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quote UN quote, the glory of theworld from a high mountain.
And the quote is all this power I will give thee, and the glory
of them, for that is delivered unto me, and to whomever I will
give it, I thought you would appreciate.
It just so stupid, you know thisthing your dad made?
I'll give it to you if you just come over to my side and play
for evil and he's like, no, I'm good dude.
I don't need that. I I kind of like own the whole

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thing like. I already own it and others have
to find salvation in me. Gosh.
It's so dumb, Dave. It's like the dumb thing.
The devil's an idiot. He.
Was like, what a bargain and. He's such an idiot.
I already own it. Why?
Are you selling me it? You're getting my own thing.
So stupid. You're stupid, Dad.

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Like he's doing my old thing. The devil's an idiot.
In 1899, Salvador Andreu foundedSociedad Enonima del Tibi Dabo
to develop the area as a major leisure destination, beginning
with a residential area for wealthy families.
In 19 O1 they founded the amusement park, with the first
attractions opening in 19 O 5. It's one of the oldest amusement

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parks in the world. In the mid 1900's, the park
expanded with new rides, mascotsand indoor attractions.
And this was right around the time, again, I said there's
Basque influence everywhere. In the mid 1900s is around the
time the Basque separatists cameabout.
The ETA group, the church itself, that's on the hill, the
Temple of the Sacred Heart beganconstruction in 19-O2 and

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completed in 1961. Let me just go quickly to the
Basque stuff, and then we can gowherever at that point.
The first thing you see during the moment where you see Maria
and the whole explosion thing isthe Gora Yusko Kuduriak, which
is Catalan, not Spanish. Long live the Basque soldiers,
warriors. They're protesting basically for
Catalan independence. They've been doing it since the

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Spanish Civil War, OK, We talkedabout that a lot in the last
episode or two. They've been doing it since then
until 2018. Had the apocalypse not happened,
they would have eventually stopped.
Basically. It's interesting, but the
apocalypse did happen and we allforgot all about it.
It's fine, no problem. Bigger.
Problems. Yusko Gudoriak is also the title

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of the Basque patriotic song of with the same name.
Particularly those who fought for the Basque Republic during
the Spanish Civil War. I think promises were made about
a country for the Basque people,which would have been called.
Antonio says this in the episodeYuscal Hedea.
That's what the Basque Country would have been called, Yuscal
Hedea, that would have been straddling the border between

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Spain and France where they meet.
And he mentions also, yeah, Generalissimo Francisco Franco,
the Spanish Civil War. But a little bit about the
separatist group that blew up the car basically, or somebody
blew up. I forget if it was the guy that
they were interviewing was from ETA or the ETA people blew up.
I assumed the ETA people blew upthe car.
Yeah, because they are the terrorists.

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OK, cool. ETA is short for Uscadi TA
Ascatasuna, so it's good that they call it ETA because it's a
mouthful in the original Catholic.
And Dave, don't, don't try. Again.
It's hard enough saying Spanish words correctly.
It's a radical Basque separatistgroup.
Their name means Basque Homelandand Liberty or Basque Country
and Freedom. It's a translation thing.

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They existed from 1959, around the time the cathedral was
finished being built, till 2018.And yeah, since the Spanish
Civil War was over, basically, Ijust thought that was really
interesting. There's a lot of Catalan
influence. The story between the dragon and
the the Princess and Saint George that's also Catalan.
OK, you did a lot of research. Riddle me this, Dave.

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Sure. Did you look into the?
Old City. Why Fede called his mother La
Celestina? I did.
Did you? OK, I did.
I'm hands on, let's go for it. This is based on something
called the Tragic Comedy of Callisto and also known in
Spanish as La Celestina or in English, The Spanish Bod.

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It was written by Fernando de Rojas a long time ago, Long,
long time. While chasing his Falcon through
the fields, a rich young bachelor named Kaliso enters a
garden where he meets Melibia, the daughter of the house, and
is immediately taken with her. This is a very RR.
She's a noble, she's a blessed. Unable to see her privately, he

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broods until his servant, some pronial, suggests using the old
Procurus Celestina. She is the owner of a brothel in
charge of her two young employees, Alicia and Erusia.
Forgive me if I'm mispronouncing.
When Kaliso agrees, Sempronio plots with Celestina to make as

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much money out of the his masteras they can.
And another servant of Kalisto's, Parameno mistrust
Celestina because he used to work for her when he was a
child. So something happened there.
Parmeno warns his master warns his master not to use her.
However, Celestina convinces Barmeno to join her and
Sempronio in taking advantage ofCallisto, and his reward will be

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Erusia, one of the girls from the brothel, as a seller of
feminine Knick knacks. What does that mean?
This plot synopsis. Somebody else was looking for a
screwdriver. As a seller of feminine Knick
knacks and quack medicines, Celestina is permitted entrance
into the home of Elisa and Melebia by pretending to sell

(01:08:36):
Thread. Weird choice, but OK.
Upon being left alone with Mellavia, Celestina tells her of
a man in pain. But he could be cured by the
touch of your girdle. What?
I. Completely agree.
I completely. Agree.
What? What a scam.
It's so ridiculous. I love it.
It's so ridiculous. My pains would be.
Cured by your girdle. When she mentions when she

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mentions Kalisto's name, Melebiabecomes angry and tells her to
leave, but the crafty Celestina persuades her that Kalisto has a
horrible toothache that requiresher aid and manages to get the
girdle off of her to fix anothermeeting.
So on her second visit, Celestina persuades the now

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willing all of the sudden Melebia to rendezvous with
Kalisto, and upon hearing of themeeting set by Celestina,
Kalisto rewards the procures with a valuable gold chain.
The lovers arranged to meet in Malaby's garden the following
night. Wow.
Sam, Peronio and Farmeno keep watch, and when the weary
Kalisto returns home because youknow, bow chicka Bow Wow at dawn

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to sleep because he's been up all night and more than ways
than one. His two servants go around in
Celestina's house to get their share of their gold, but she
tries to cheat them and in a rage they kill her in front of
Alicia after jumping out of the window in an attempt to escape
the night guard. San Peronio and Parmeno are

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caught and are beheaded later that day in the town square, and
Alicia, who knows what happened to Celestino, San Peronio and
Parmeno tells Rusia of the deaths.
And Arusia and Alicia come up with a plan to punish Callisto
and Bolivia, even though she's like, hardly involved for being
the cause of all these deaths mostly.

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Callisto, by the way. Yes, after a month of Kalisto
sneaking around and seeing Mellivia at night in the garden,
ERISA and Alicia enact their plan of revenge and Kalisto
returns to the garden for another night with his woman
while hastily leaving because ofa ruckus he heard in the street.
He falls from a ladder that usedto scale the guy garden wall and

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he dies. And after confessing to her
father the recent events of her love affair and Kalisto's death,
Melibia then jumps from the tower of the house and dies too.
You just had this funny. So the the, it's written to be a
tragic comedy because everythingis so over the top.
The girdle being like, what's gonna like this?

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Like the whole thing is like super over the top.
Anyway, it's a really interesting story, but it's
obviously well known enough in Spain to call someone as
Celestina and to know that that means that essentially they're
like a matchmaker. Yeah, this book was so
influential. This story was so influential.
It became part of culture. So anybody that is called a

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matchmaker or is playing matchmaker or go or go between
is called a Celestina. But also not limited to anybody
who is a liaison between two parties as well.
So let's say merchants to other merchants or a corporation to a
small business, you're like a Celestina.
You're basically trying to get 2entities or two groups to come

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together is you're called a Celestina.
In terms of history, this was also written during the reign of
Ferdinand and Isabella, which isalso like a very well written
about tale. Well, the author himself,
Fernando de Rojas, is a descendant of Jews who converted
to Catholicism in the wake of the Spanish Inquisition.
There's three Jews in the Inquisition, those who died very

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painfully, those who were forcedinto hiding called Murano's.
They hid their Judaism, Catholicin the streets, Jewish in the
sheets. You know what I'm saying?
OK, sure. And then there were those who
actually, and then there were those actually converted, and
he's one of them. I guess maybe I'm descended of
one or the other, not the dead ones.

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I'm sorry, because what he said that all I could picture is like
just a New York Jew saving theiraccent for when they're like
under a. Sheet.
What a relief. I'm the only one who could do it
basically. I can't do it.
I can't do it. It would be insulting.
These are the Sephardic Jews, Sepharad, meaning from Spain,
Sepharad. Most people who don't know this,
Eastern European Jews have Yiddish.

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It's spoken mostly German and Hungarian.
You know, Yiddish was like a derivation of German slash
Polish slash Hebrew. There is a version of this for
Sephardic Jews, Spanish Jews called Ladino.
It's a mixture of Portuguese, Spanish and Hebrew and I think a
couple of other languages too toform this other unique very
dying language. By the way, surprises.

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This isn't like a college courselearning Latino.
It's another mixture of a language too that is not often
spoken or heard of a known even.I just thought that was
interesting too because we talked about the Inquisition,
the strapado in the second episode, the hang of the guy for
the taking his daughter and everything.
And then that comes back. This comes back Celestina being
a reference from about that timefrom a person who escaped the

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Inquisition by converting do. You think they're going to do
that punishment to Antonio? Right, we ended off the episode
with the three guys in back of Antonio as Carol drives away.
And so, yeah, what are they going to do with Antonio, right,
For speaking up against Fede? And he's literally sacrificing
himself for them to run away. And I love how that whole scene

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goes down too, because what he says, Antonio says.
And my boy just told me he's up there net right now, having just
told me that you conspired with it.
You can go now, Carol. We don't need Roberto or sorry,
Roberto is upstairs. You know he's fine.
He's doing. He's awake now.
Yeah. He's ready to talk.
Running around, he's doing sprints, you know.
Yeah. With the Dunya Marga, he's like

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he's on a treadmill right now, taking his physical.
It's perfect. Hoping that he takes the bluff
is basically what it is in long enough for her to get away.
Which, by the way, if you saw the map that I posted, obviously
I didn't include it in the episode.
I put up a video of where everything is in Spain,
Belchite, where Valentina's lighthouse is, where Solas Del
Mar was filmed. At the very least, it's a half a

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days away. Travel to Valentina's
lighthouse. Well, that makes sense why he
sent Sergio away then. Sergio's gone for a little
while. Yeah, again, you notice that
when Carol gets to Valentina, atleast at one part in the
episode, it's not a casual thing.
When you find her playing with the Sexton.
It's already dark when they're talking, whereas before it was
like early in the morning or something like that.

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It's light out, but it's like way later in the day.
It's something like that, right?But it's like an hours long
trek. So obviously the locations of
having symmetry in the present, in the past.
I also like the way things transitioned.
One transition in particular, though, that was very
noteworthy. Fed is calling Daniel Marga A
Celestina. It goes from the photo of Fede
stroking the picture of Maria, OK, to the flashback video of

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Maria, little Roberto and Antonio and Tibidabo.
And then it goes from there to Daryl and pause at the gates of
the pool, whether your friend orrefugees are staying.
So there's like a little bit of like a everybody's talking about
Maria. Basically there's a reflection
of refugee status basically because Maria and Antonio left
to Barcelona to escape whatever love triangle nonsense was

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happening in Salas with Fede basically, and to find a new
life as a matchmaker where nobody believed in him.
His dad took a belt to him for believing him.
As a filmmaker, you said matchmaker.
Sorry, a filmmaker, not a matchmaker.
Antonio, the matchmaker. I could see it though.
I. Shouldn't catch that.
Terrible as a filmmaker? Yes.
On the heels of what we were saying before about Darrell and

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Paz having reignited passion towards finding Christina and
Elena, right, just reinvigoratedto go after them.
Do you think this also has an effect on Darrell when it comes
to Rick? That there'll be more reason for
him to want to go home at this point, to be able to continue
that search indirectly or directly, whatever it is.
I think to some degree. Yes, he wouldn't want to

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continue that, but at the same time, he's mostly got to get
back for the wrong because he's got to be that parent figure to
that kid for. Well, that's a good point too.
Or maybe they'll do father son things.
They'll like find Rick together instead of a yeah.
Yeah, come with me. We'll teach you how to survive
on your own. I think it it just gives him the
strength to not give up. That's what this whole season

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has been about, is he's lost hishope.
He's lost his connection to humanity.
He's like, I just want to go home.
I don't want to deal with any ofthis anymore.
I don't care. I got to stop getting sucked
into everybody else's problems. I've just got to go.
But that's not who Darrell is. So this is just going to
reinvigorate that Darrell is again who he is, which is a guy
who does help other people. He's a hero and.

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If not that, it's doing for other people what he wished
somebody would do, or maybe likeMerle would do for him.
There's this messed up situationthat nobody, I didn't think
anybody could help me at the time.
But then you have all these experiences from him in The
Walking Dead after the fall, where time after time he got
himself involved. Maybe it didn't always work, but

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he was there for people, for hisbrother, for say, Rachel, for
Carol and all these other people.
Man, it's strong association. And then, yeah, I somebody could
have been there for me and I could see somebody getting
pretty resentful over that fact that, oh, wait, somebody could
have stepped in. Somebody could have maybe
stopped my dad from beating on me.
Like, you think that's your lifeuntil that point, that's normal

(01:17:51):
living like this, running away. So when you see all these things
go down, like, obviously he wants to go home, but then he
realizes I can't keep running away like my brother told me to
and not looking back. That's not how they should have
gone down. You know, you process it.
I was too weak to reckon with this or to engage with this
directly. But now I'm grown.
I can do the things I couldn't do before.

(01:18:13):
I could step in where somebody didn't step in for me before.
We can do this, although I do question something.
OK. The plan for.
I was going to say Rachel again.The plan for Carol was to escape
with Roberto to. Confuse the twos of you.
The tools of you. I.
Confuse the tools of yous, Rachel and Carol I'll.

(01:18:35):
Take it. The plan was for Carol and
Roberto to escape the town, not covertly.
Just like, hey, I'm done with you guys, Synara.
And for Antonio, he says Gustavowill help me escape.
Gustavo is one of the people behind him after the sacrifice
he made too. So I wonder if he will not

(01:18:57):
because you know, we got to see his his his nephew die during
the battle too. He was very sad about that turn
or whatever. And you see, when Antonio starts
calling out Fede, people start standing up.
And what did you do to Steela? Excuse me?
And someone, someone else in Gustavo's family is sick.
Oh, his wife and Sergio says getme the medicine.
Yeah, I've got plenty of medicine for you.

(01:19:19):
Not for, he says. Don't.
Worry, just just come. If you need anything, just come
find me. I was like, who are you, Sergio,
to be giving out this medicine? He's like skimming off the top
too. That's what I wrote in my notes.
I'm like, excuse me, Sir. I actually, I think I wrote it
literally. Excuse me, Sir.
Who are you to give out medicines that you know have to
fit his? Feet Asian idiot and stores the
keys in a box that everyone knows where the box is.

(01:19:41):
Apparently Samu does. Carol found it in like 2
seconds. And there's another scene that
gets me thinking more about this, and it's when Sergio calls
Fete to come to the pits or the cages where they keep the
walkers to protect the mountain,right?
And he goes, you know what? I don't like being here.
And he holds his nose. Baby.
Oh the smell. Oh.

(01:20:01):
That's the only thing everyone'sever complained about, the
smell. How long?
Have you lived in this world? And you're like, oh, the smell
is horrible. Yeah, duh.
You all stink. Everyone's stinks in the
apocalypse. But some stinks hurt.
More Bridget. I will tell you, the smell of
death makes me gag instantly over anything else.
Yeah. Feature.
Saying no, it's a horrible smell, don't get me wrong, but

(01:20:22):
everything smells bad in this. World.
It's relative, you know, Bridget, you're not smelling
devil all the time. OK, but let's look back at the
plague if. You have a friend, you think?
People were like incapable of walking around because they were
like, oh, it smells so bad. No, eventually you just went
nose blind to it and you walked around the dead bodies anyway.
Oh, and nobody washed that. I would say if you have a pit of

(01:20:43):
dead bodies at the base of your mouth and it's going to stink
far beyond where they're standing and you're going to
smell that all the time. Exactly, exactly.
It's an elevation of stink that is not and then they're.
Always moving around, stirring it up.
You know what? We talked about that long time
ago, do not want to talk about it again.
But there's a deeper insight here, and that's is it possible

(01:21:06):
that fit is not really in charge?
Like what do you? Mean, for instance, is Sergio
part of El Alcatar? He's like a representative
liaison. El Celestina, if you will.
Between, I don't know if I'd go that far.
I could believe that Fede is notas in charge as he thinks he is.
Right, that's basically what I'msaying, because Sergio seems to

(01:21:28):
have everything on lock. He's the muscle.
He could even be the one technically in charge, while the
he's going to have the Hilltop formula.
The Hilltop formula is the leader that's supposed to be in
charge always kind of checks out, while the second in command
is really the one in charge. When Tara was in charge, it was
Jesus. When Maggie was in charge, it
was kind of Jesus facilitating everything.
Same energy. And they're technically on the

(01:21:50):
Hill. So maybe there's that whole
Negan savior symmetry after all,between Solas and Hilltop.
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different kinds of love stories happening all at once and
they're all of a different kind of variety.

(01:23:15):
There's positive love story, that's love that's lost but can
be found, but you can't get to it.
That tragedy, Daryl's tragic love story, love lost never to
return. Who seen a Roberto's classic
Romeo and Juliet story or Les Elisina, right?
And then there's Antonio and Carol, finding love after
tragedy, never thinking you can have love again.

(01:23:36):
But here we are. And then there's feta.
I'm adding to this. There's feta.
Unrequited, unrequited love. Who knew that we were in a
Spanish soap opera, ladies and. Gentlemen.
Exactly who invented that? Walking Dead was always a soap
opera with zombies anyway. It's true.
It's a different kind, isn't it?Yeah, it is.
It is. It's not dolphin smooth, but you

(01:23:57):
know it was a hot shower that Carol didn't take.
The spaghetti western like influence of this like continued
into this with the shootout at the date that was a.
Extremely strong lock, as Rachelsaid earlier, is so corrupted,
but two bullets from a shotgun couldn't even take it off.
Nope. To be fair, every other lock is

(01:24:18):
butter in the shell. So so.
Well, that's what I was going tosay.
And also shotguns don't have that much of an effect on.
What most range? They do pallet.
Right, there's most. Of them have done.
Something but. But even then, like I'd be
scared of hitting. It only made the Rust more

(01:24:39):
powerful, apparently. It galvanized the lock.
The more he hit it, the strongerit was.
Although to be fair, most locks that would have, that's what
would have happened. Why isn't doing the thing from

(01:25:00):
the movies working? Why isn't it finally?
I know. But to be serious, for one
moment, it did kind of break my heart seeing Daryl hold on to
who's seen his hand. It was like me too.
Did you not feel that this was like Isabel, maybe all over
again, but Isabel essentially, yeah.
Yeah, like making up for. Something that was lost, Yeah,

(01:25:21):
it was filmic too, from all these different angles as
they're driving away. Yeah, I mean, the shots in this
entire show have been gorgeous. There were some really beautiful
scenes there alone. Paws just getting out of the
car, the angle from her foot boot level, then yeah, seeing
her walk towards Darryl. Oh, which reminds me of the
spaghetti Western thing. The talk around the campfire

(01:25:44):
with the knife sharpening and there are so many scenes.
And I'm like, that's a Western scene.
That's a Western. There's.
Salsa commercial. New York, NY City.
Yeah, I'm going to include this.Thought about that and.
So. And then we'll get that.
Was during our dead city coverage too.

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Oh yeah, but not limited to. It's not the first time we've
done it. It was before my time, Dave.
Well, why didn't you watch all the episodes before then?
Because life didn't truly start until I came.
Life truly is cruel like this. Is cruel that way?
In any case, thanks everybody for watching this episode along
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(01:26:26):
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me. No, that's it.
No more things. I've been your host, David
Cameo. I was joined.
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And we'll be here next week for the Season 3 finale of The
Walking Dead. Daryl Dixon.
I wish I could say I can't wait for it to be over, but I don't.
I am enjoying being here. I don't want to see what comes
next. You know, that feeling where
like, well, what if they do go home?
Then this won't happen. Well, if they stay, what will
happen after that? I just kind of just want to live

(01:27:09):
in this moment right now. Like Rachel, we hate endings.
And I don't want to see this one.
But hey, they're going to drag us kicking and screaming to the
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We don't get to sit here in blissful ignorance not watching
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not 8. Yeah, 7:00 last year was 6 I
think. I know I thought it was going to

(01:27:31):
be 8 for some reason, I don't know why.
Because they upped Dead City to.8 Yep, that's right.
Oh, that's where that came from then, yeah.
It's like maybe every new seasonthey get another episode tagged
on to the end. Maybe, maybe not.
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