The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon |SEASON 3 FINALE| Solaz del Mar

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Why I said that? I know I wanted a squawking dead
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logo. And I did.
I made my own hat. You did.
It was janky is, but it was pretty sweet.
It's awesome. I still have it.
It's hanging up on my hat wall. It's like a print though.
It's like a. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was like vinyl. Yeah, like a screen print.

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Is that what they call it? Yeah, I guess it.
Yeah, I guess it would be calleda screen print.
Yeah, I like it. Now it's like.
And it's a one-of-a-kind. Nobody else has one.
That's very true. How does the title of this
episode, Solas Del Mar, relate to the Season 3 finale episode?
What's the name of the city thatthey're in?

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That has the trouble. Dummy why?
Is the episode name that. Comfort of the sea, solace.
Because at the. End.
They are denied the solace of the sea as their boat burns to
ashes. Oh.
Maybe the fact that they're not in the sea is why it's so calm
or has so much solace because you know, Darryl and Carol, when

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they travel, they just. Wreak havoc.
Also, I was very solaced by the fact that Cadrone showed up by
the sea. It's like a personal connection
to the title. Long list.
In my notes it just says cadronewith exclamation points after
it. There was that funny scene with
Antonio. After Carol saves Antonio, he

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brings her tea and she goes C atthe end.
Because it has honey and milk. Then then C.
That man's arms would not be functional once I got him down.
Oh, A. 100%. Thank you, Rob.
I was like, no way would he be lifting anything, much less

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putting his arm around. People or whatever.
His arms. His arms.
Ripped out of their shoulder sockets.
With everywhere this episode took us, why does it always come
back to Solath Dinamar? That's where our characters are
from. That's where our story started.
Right, that's where they started.
Pretty much. So now that whole city has
solace cause Fede's well, not going to be ruler anymore I'm

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sure. I was going to say locked up but
no, not so much anymore. But he's.
Kind of free now. But he's not really going to be
able to come back and rule, you know, they're not going to
listen to him anymore. Like they're not under the thumb
of the Ofrenda anymore, right? Dealing.
With wow, you know what I'm trying to say, Yeah.

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Oh boy. That took so much of my breath.
Are you OK? No.
I breathed so hard through all of that.
LLLLLLLL is happening this? Is the palace.
It's so much. Easier to say the palace, yeah.
The Palace. It could be also that kind of

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what I think what you're alluding to was like, yes, we
started here, but also we ended here and had maybe someone like
Fede taking a stand against El Al Qatar, maybe all of this
could have been prevented or even one city decided not to do
the Ofrenda. How many soldiers do you think
possibly that these people that they have there in El Al, Qatar

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or the palace, it took everybodyagreeing to this system to keep
it going and who reaped the benefits?
So maybe just saying Salat Amar is like an example of one of
many cities that just allowed these things to happen.
Kind of like what Daryl was saying when the world went to
crap, things could have gotten better or gotten worse if people
went bad or people went good. And he says Fede went bad, your

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uncle went bad. But really it's all these cities
too. They all went bad.
I. Feel like that's kind of a broad
generalization because you're bad as somebody else's trying to
protect their family or whatever.
So everybody's like, oh, he wentto the bad side, but maybe he
that was just what he thought was what he had to do to protect
the people that he cared about. I get what Daryl's saying, but I

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don't completely agree with it. For a show that leans into the
Gray of people in a situation like this, that was a pretty
black and white statement. I think this entire season we've
been trying to see things from FedEx point of view and, and a
lot of us were not quick to say,oh, he's the bad guy.
He's the bad guy because like Sharon just said, we don't know
the whole story. Like he it does seem as though

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he's making choices to keep his his people safe.
I think this this last episode, for me personally anyway, I did
see sort of a the bad in Fede. He started making selfish
choices, you know, for himself and to protect himself and not
the people. Absolutely, absolutely.

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But we have no idea what's happening in the other cities,
the other communities that were being forced to participate in
the Ofrenda. We don't know what it's like
over there. I think I feel comfortable
saying yes, Fede went bad, but Idon't know about the other
places, the other cities. He was still trying to maintain
the alliance with Al Al Qasar because like you said earlier,

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that's what kept our people safe.
So that's why we have guns and medicine.
Even then, I don't necessarily think he was bad, he just made a
bad decision. He wasn't down deep a bad
person, he just made a bad choice.
Well, he sent his niece away to cover his own butt.
He sacrificed her to save himself.
That to me is pretty bad. He says even out loud, did I

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make the wrong they in the episode after we thought she
volunteered but really sent her away.
She goes I was supposed to protect her.
I was tasked to protect her fromher.
So he has regret at least, right?
I mean, again, like it, it wasn't that he set out to do
something bad. He made a bad decision in the
heat of the moment and think. No, he doesn't regret, though he

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feels bad. But he did it, yeah.
You can regret something after you've done it.
Did he express it? I don't think he did.
In a manner of speaking, when itcomes to Walker's about to bite
your niece. Everybody rallied when it came
to Hostina, but beyond that, he never apologized.
He put it on Daryl. In the end, you did this.

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You're the monster, not me. I'm not the monster.
Well, I mean, in a sense, Daryl did bring down everything on a
royal scale. This time we didn't just go into
some little settlement and bringthem down.
Like this time they took down anentire royal family so.
If I may speak for Bridget Viva la revolution I this now I'm

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100% on Bridget's side. I'm speaking I'm channeling the
spirit of the ginger Bridget. So I will boil down my analysis
to one question. Had Fede known how bad it was
for all these girls they all friended?
Because he doesn't know. I don't think he knows.
And that could be a second parter.
Maybe I'm wrong, you could tell me I'm wrong.

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But had he known how bad it was?A If you're not matched, you're
a servant. If you're a servant, you can get
beaten or as quoted a couple times or worse.
Had Feta known about that, wouldhe have been likely to give up
Hostina? And that's how bad you know Feta
is? And this is a hypothetical, just

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based on your impressions and what we saw from this episode,
would Feta have given Hostina upto Guillermo Torres?
I think to save his own ass. Yeah, I think it.
Would have been the same even ifhe knew.
Yeah. Yes, I think he would have.
That's the vibe I got from him anyway.
He doesn't seem like the guy that wouldn't put himself above
even his family members. Yeah, I agree.
The alternative would be him admitting that he's been lying,

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and I don't see him doing that. I think he probably would have
taken the same actions, but again, at some part he feels
like he's doing it to keep his people safe.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.
The few are the one, right? He's not the one that's getting
sacrificed, so it's all easy forhim, but I feel like that's his
feeling. Right.
I'm kind of on your side to a limit, obviously charity,

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because it's kind of going to what flashback Merle says to
Daryl. It's different now.
People do what they got to do orthey die, is what he says in
this flashback. It's not even Rooker's voice, by
the way, but it's a good impression.
I got to say. It's not bad.
It's not a bad. Not Michael Rooker.
It's definitely not Michael Rooker.
He is is it's a great impression. 100% is just not

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him. I think that was said to also
lend a little bit of grace to Feta.
But at the same time, what gets me on your side, Rachel and Rob,
is hearing him put his mistakes,take no as a leader, take no
responsibility over the things that he did or even thought he
did for righteous purposes. He put that on Daryl, on the

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Americans, Puta Yankees saying. Took none of it on himself.
You ruined everything. Technically they did.
Everything was going smooth and fine until Daryl and Carol
popped in and threw their monkeywrench into the situation.
So he's not wrong at all that they ruined it, because they

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did. They were a big part of it.
Did they ruin it for him or did they ruin the town?
Is the question. They saved everyone out, they
saved all the girls and brought them to safety, brought everyone
back and ended your friend that.Which everybody seemed happy
about. Yeah.
But what I'm saying? From his from his perspective
where he is the one who has to take care of everybody and he

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feels like keeping the alliance with the Royals is how to do
that. So someone coming in and just
absolutely smashing all of theirtradition and everything to him,
it is ruining it. You guys are looking at it from
your perspective. You know, you got to look at it
from his perspective that he sees it as they came in and just

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ruined everything that he was working on to keep the town as
safe as he could. But once the the illusion
shattered though, because a the Primitivas proved that besides
the guns and all that other stuff that they weren't keeping
them actually safe. You could say one thing, but
they took away another thing. Then this and this makes me
upset at the season. Let me mention this because we

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never really got an answer aboutthe Nets of walkers, whether
they were the Primitivos or whether it was El Al Qatar's men
skulking around the outside of Celeste Delmar.
I mean it was pretty much implied that it was the
primativos because that's they started launching them when they
attacked. Well, Guillemos Torres men doing
it nearby. They had left by that point, so
they were on their way back to Al Qatar.

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Sorry. But what were they doing out
there? See, this is my point.
Not getting rid of the primativos or cutting down the
Nets when they see them in the trees.
Right. So, yeah, what is that?
What is that about? It just makes me think having
that knowledge would give us a little bit more of an idea of
the illusion of safety that Al Qatar was trying to pitch to all

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these little towns. The weapons and being able to
defend yourselves. I'm 100% on that side.
But on the other hand, it's kindof like, well, what actual
material protection are you giving to people on the road to
all these towns? What is the thing that you're
offering? Even the medicine stuff, besides
the Cipro and the and the actualother, other medications and
alcohol, whatever pleasures or libations and stuff like that,

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There's all these like home remedies that they could have
probably picked themselves. Obviously getting them means you
don't have to do them. That's fine.
But is it worth losing people feeding the dragon, your
daughters, your princesses five years in a row?
We've pointed out several times the similarities.
How Savior esque it is and how many times have we said on the
main show if we had followed Negan at first we would have

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been on their side right? I'm not saying Feta is right,
I'm just saying it's all perspective.
If you're considering his decisions, you have to look at
it from his point of view also. I think we did a good job of
following him to a point. I think even in the comparison
between Feta and Negan, which isone that we never made by the
way, we're always comparing it to Guillemot Torres, Feta would
be at best a Gavin in that scenario.

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Like, oh, I'm just a middle management guy, guys, That's
Ezekiel. It's it's what I got to do.
We're buddies here right now. You got to get in line, right?
Feta, That's Feta. But maybe just like Gavin, when
it came down to it, he never took any responsibility.
I actually recently watched the episode where he gets taken down
by Henry Gavin all the way through.
I watched the episodes leading up to it all the way through.

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He put it on Ezekiel. He never took any
responsibility. Say we're in the same boat
basically. Like, I don't want to do this,
you don't want to do this, but here we are.
When it came down to it and the bullet started flying and
Ezekiel's like, we could still turn it back.
You know, you could give up. It doesn't have to go down this
way. And he's like, well, no, that's
the way it has to go down because that's the way things

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are anyway. That's Fede basically could roll
it back. You could take responsibility,
go down a different path that doesn't have to go down like
this. They even, like Megan, put him
in a cell, put Feta in a cell. And at the end of the day, the
one thing that Negan did that Feta didn't do was he said one
of two things when he got caught.
And he's in the Infirmary with Michonne and Rick and he goes,
everybody thinks there's a they're the good guy, which

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implies that at some point I could have rolled it back.
But I never really saw myself asbeing the bad guy.
I knew what I was doing at the time.
I knew it was getting away from me.
I knew it when I said they're all dead after.
Remember he crushes the walkie-talkie after speaking
with Rick after Carl dies, he says I'm going to get them all.
Basically, he knew what he was doing, he just didn't care

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anymore. But when Negan was caught, I
think there was a part of him saying, yeah, it's over.
The the jig is up. That flourished for me was when
he manipulated his mom. That's what got me.
It was on that side of he did everything he did for his town.
And then even at the end, he put, he said calls Darryl a
monster. And I could see I could give him
a little wiggle room. You know, he'll figure it out

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while he's in jail. But even when he was in jail, he
didn't wait a day before he manipulated his mom, who he lied
to and gaslight this being the third time.
And then he says they're going to kill me.
Don't let what happened to your other son happened to me.
That got me, you little bitch, you bitchity bitch bitch bitch

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boy. Just used up all of our B words,
David. I yeah, that's probably true,
but it was worth it. I think if I didn't do it, one
of you should. Because you got to say all the B
words and you left no B words for us.
The spirit was channeled throughme.
You're not. Wrong.
You're not wrong, I agree he didmanipulate his mom.

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Like it's one thing if you tell other people, but don't tell
your mom. Don't manipulate your your own
mom who had your back baby just telling you she had your back
all the way through. She relented.
She let Carol have the medicine because it was for somebody
else. Roberto.
She has no problem with the Roberto.
She's making him. She wasn't trying to heal him
the whole time. It's fine, but then that

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bothered me. Sorry, I'm done.
So he's out there now causing chaos.
That's one of the things that I kind of liked about this
episode. There were a handful of
episodes, I think it was 2 episodes that were like even
without commercials were over anhour.
This one kind of held tight to with commercials.
It was a little over an hour, but not by much.
That was only 15 minutes withoutso.

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Yeah, it got to say what it got to say without running the clock
too far over that hour limit, like 62 or 64 minutes or
something like that. That's pretty impressive.
No, I think they got a lot in there.
I think it was actually a prettysatisfying end to the season for
me. I don't know if you guys feel
the same way. It's definitely easier knowing
there's another one coming. At some point, yeah, absolutely.

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And I've been cranking these outfairly quickly too.
I appreciated the could drone bookends, sure.
I'd have been really mad if we didn't already know there was
another season, if they had ended it with could drone and
then we're like, did they? Is there another one?
It's interesting we got no update on Laurent or Ash or
anything throughout the season though.
I had a feeling that they wouldn't because that's got to

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be something something. You can just like a little
bookmark to be like here's wherethey got to and then we'll see
what's going on further in the next season.
But that was just my hope. Could have sent Darrell a Raven
or something. Yeah, I thought it might have
been a post credits scene or something like that.
That could have been something. I would have been kind of like
how they introduced Carol at theend of the first season.
Yeah, I noticed it wasn't even an episode insider for this one

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afterwards. Which that makes sense to me
because with the introduction ofCodon in the series
reintroduction, he was even credited a special guest, by the
way, to Romaine Levy. So I feel like that's going to
be a very cool episode Insider for everyone to enjoy.
Like him coming back on set, that's definitely going to be a
focus point for them to discuss Romain Levy behind the scenes.

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It doesn't look too good either as a character.
I mean, Romain Levy can get it, but you know, he could.
Your own might not he. Walked to Spain from where they
left the channel and it took himright up to that point to be
like, oh, they're here. Yeah, that was a little weird.
Him coming back to the series rekindles a thought that the

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series introduced about Daryl being, quote UN quote, the
messenger, Laurent's premonitionof Daryl as the messenger of
God, that sort of thing. Did you not feel Codron's
journey felt serendipitous in a way that he just seemed to be
arriving at the right place at the right time?

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Seeing the Rubik's Cube at the Saint James statue and be like,
oh, that must be Laurent, something that affect her.
And then seeing the explosion inthe distance, that must be Daryl
doing some Daryl things. There's signs everywhere that
remind me of this character. Like he doesn't know that it's
him yet, but he's probably thinking Nah could big.

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No, they couldn't be. They couldn't.
But maybe it is because Daryl's the messenger from God.
He might believe that even more when he goes down there and sees
him. Yeah, he fall back into my lap.
He. Definitely will, because it even
dovetails to what Daryl says to Carol.
Why do I get this voice in the voice?
Whose voice is it? It's not just Merles, it's God.

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He gets that voice to had to go.Can we all agree that it's not
the voice to necessarily go, butthat he runs towards something
to save it, to punch it right, to punch Negan when it came to
Glenn? He gets involved where he
shouldn't. Why did he mess with the
mechanic dude that put him on the boat?
Why did he, why did he get involved in that situation?

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Why couldn't he just leave it alone with the kid who died?
They killed the kid who was hurting all the walkers and
stuff like that. Do you remember?
That's how he got involved. That's that's why I punched the
dude. I just didn't make that
connection when I first watched the episode, but you saying that
makes sense. Rachel's like, what the are you
talking? I mean, the same could be said
for anybody in anybody's life. If I hadn't have done this and

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it wouldn't have let me here andI would have met this person and
then this wouldn't have happened.
And that, I mean, that's the story of everybody's life,
right? I mean everybody.
In the past. Not everything shows life.
All of us, Everything we do, every choice we make or don't
make, leads to the next thing. True, but I'm specifically
talking about something that most people don't do is getting

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getting involved. It all comes down to Darrell
thinking he's doing the right thing, which is goes back to
what we're talking about, Fede. Everybody thinks they're doing
the right thing and what they'redoing is for the right thing.
You hope. Right.
Well, yeah, but you think you'redoing it for the right reason.
Well, unless you're a horrible person, but yes.
Know what the show is saying that like, nobody's really a
horrible person. We're all kind of Gray.
We all have reasons for doing the things that we do.

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Well, I think it's the difference between doing the
right thing for the right reasons or the wrong thing for
the right reasons. There's a strata.
Again, that's all subjective though, because one person's
good reason is somebody else's, not a good reason.
Everything is subjective. I'll give you a little bit of
wiggle room there because what did I say at the, I think was
the end of the last episode? But people don't fall into evil

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or darkness all at once. We could say Fede may or may not
have known what happened to these girls when they got to El
Al Qatar. I'm fine with the murkiness of
that. So is Fede probably.
He must believe that he did the things, the things for the right
reasons. But then things start to come
in. Things start to unravel.
People start to question things and then when you have to keep
doing bad things to keep up the bad thing that you did for the

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good reason, where is the line? And it is an apocalypse again,
I'll give you wiggle room with the zombie apocalypse.
We might have to do a little bitmore bad things to keep up the
bad thing that we did before to for the good reason.
And especially when somebody comes in like Daryl and Carol
doing the right things. I guess from our point of view,
because we are omniscient viewers doing the right things

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for the right reasons. It's not right that these women
are being taken away just to become slaves if they're not
picked by this aristocracy, which is not up really of the
people we're making. There's a proposition that they
are giving all these towns guns and stuff like that in medicine,
but they're not really keeping them completely safe.
And is it worth giving away these girls just so they become

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slaves, essentially, not only inthe palace but also in the
bedroom, if they don't have a choice necessarily?
What is The Walking Dead universe?
I mean from our point of view after all this time, the chance
to become who you were meant to be.
And were people meant to be slaves?
I mean unless they really reallywant to be slaves.
It sounds weird, but no, not really.

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I don't think most people have this every desire or wish to
become slaves, be that sexual orphysical.
Oh, nobody wants that. I was being facetious, Rachel.
Oh. My gosh, David.
Nobody wants to be. That's what I'm saying.
Nobody really wants to be a slave.
No. So it's like the antithesis of

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what we feel The Walking Dead universe is supposed to be.
So knowing that there's a betterway and somebody introduces that
better way, well, then you have to kind of fess up the thing
that you were trying to, the badthing you were trying to do to
keep up the good thing, the reason for why you're doing it.
It just doesn't work out. Then you kind of have to take
responsibility and say, OK, yeah, Mia culpa, you got to fess

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up. I did too many bad things to
keep up the the the bad thing that made it so that we could be
safe. It's like the fallacy of sunk
costs. I've. 100%.
Much money into it, so I have tokeep going.
Thank you Better Call Saul for that tidbit of knowledge.
But. Thank you, high school ethics.
But yeah, right. You, you get to a certain point.

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It's like, well, I either doubledown, go for broke, or I just
say hey, maybe it's just better if I walk away.
Also consider too much on the whole, humans are pretty
resistant to change, especially sudden change.
So you have a situation, let's just say Fede, who's got this
thing that's been going on for so many years and somebody's

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like, oh, we're just going to change it.
Naturally, people just tend to get their back up and say, wait,
wait, wait, that's true, we're not going to change.
So you that's just human nature.That's absolutely true.
And isn't that kind of strange to even say that because it is
just human nature? But it isn't it also human
nature to, I would say, bend therules on behalf of the people

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you love, namely your niece. Let's say it's human nature to
love and break the. Rules for complicated people,
you know. I know that's.
The point of the whole show, when we get into the black and
white, nobody is black and white.
Everybody is a shade of grey. Humans are complicated.
They're diverse and different. You just have to figure them
out. And it's very.
Hard. They're The Walking country

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predictions. That is the truth.
Every single one of us is a walking contradiction.
Walking contradiction. Walking hypocrites.
Everybody has those moments. Yeah.
Throughout their life. I think moments, we do it every
day. We say things that we don't
believe all the time. One of my favorite things I ever
read was your knee jerk reactionis what you were raised to

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believe. But the second thought that you
have is what you really believe.Your knee jerk reaction when you
see somebody different and say, oh, look at that person that's
different from me. But your second action is to go,
wait a minute. No, that person is just like me.
It's ingrained behavior versus learned behavior.
I'll. Probably even go one step
further than that. I think the first thing is
learning behavior. That's the first thing that

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comes to your mind. Second thing is what you want to
believe, what you really believeyou.
We will never know what. You aspire to to be.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly it.
Why? You say what you want to be
trying to change yourself into that.
That's why it's important not toact on your very first knee jerk
reaction, because invariably it's not going to be what you
really wanted to say or do in the first place.

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Yeah, don't trust your feelings.We've talked about that before
you. Can't trust them?
Don't. Trust them.
Just don't shout them out loud right off the bat.
Give it a minute. Think about it.
Yeah, right. Exactly.
So what does that say about feta?
I feel like him putting that on Daryl, let's just start there is
him saying, even being caught, knowing that I didn't have to do

(27:07):
the things that I did, especially giving up my niece
for the peace, quote UN quote. Having put it on Daryl, what
does that say about him? He can't admit it to himself.
He can't admit that he was wrong.
Some people just go bad and that's it.
Yeah, I of course, you know, I have a problem with this, right?
Because I don't believe people are inherently bad or evil.
People do evil things and I feellike people don't back down but.

(27:29):
I always try to see the good in everybody and give everyone a
chance to be the better person. There are any chances we gave
feta? That's the question, yeah.
It stands the test of time that we we're able to annoy Rachel
enough to talk about Feta for solong that that he's an
interesting character. I mean, I think I I really, I do
think it's that's really the thereason for it.
I mean, he's out there just running around.

(27:51):
He can't go back to Celeste, Amar.
He can't. What can he possibly do?
Become the new El Al Qatar? Who's going to back him?
His people did run away to the sunset.
They did ride it. Yeah.
Sergio and all those other guys.Didn't they knock them out and
don't they have them captured again?
No, they rode off and they let them.
They were expelled from the town.
They rode off on their horse. Literal horses in the spaghetti

(28:14):
western. That's how I missed that.
His hench men done run offed. So they're potentially still in
the game. I guess they have you in the.
Times Square Head from season 2.Who's still hunting Daryl?
I did not want to bring that up,by the way, because among many
threads, one of which was Guillermo Torres's men out

(28:35):
there, somewhere around where the Walker Nets were in Costa de
Mort, Fede mentions that in thisepisode.
Junkies. You're going to die here and
roam around La Costa de Morte. Until the flesh rots off.
Those were coupons. Right.
What a great way of putting that.

(28:56):
But like in Costa that more he mentions it specifically that's
where the Nets were hanging of the dead that they used to
catapult into Solat Amar. So this is the thing that
bothers me is that we don't really definitively know who set
those Nets up. Was it the Primitivos?
I know they used them, but sinceGuillermo Torres's men were out
there, we never got the connection of why they were out
there separated from Guillermo Torres.

(29:17):
Maybe they worked together. Yeah, he could have had them
doing that. Right, no, I, I I'm assuming
that, but we never got that answer.
We never did, no. No, it's then it brings us back
to you. Call her Lieutenant Square Head.
Her name was Sandrine, who is now like the hybrid Pouval de
Vivant. And what was the other group?
The Righteous 1 Evolve de vivantwas the military group.

(29:40):
And what was Lausanne's group called?
They're at the nest, right? Yeah.
Exactly. We're getting close.
Union Delisfoil, the union of hope.
Anyway, she is the head of that,that merger between the two
factions that were fighting in the first season.
So jerk, why'd you bring that up?
I don't want to talk about it anymore.

(30:03):
I was thinking that I was like, should I write this in my head?
No, Rachel's going to hate me ifI do so.
Well, I mean, it's kind. Of a logical like, you've left
that threat open-ended at the end of Season 2 and then going
into Season 4 that they have to,I guess you know.
They could. I don't know, they could just
leave it open, just forget aboutit I guess, but that would kind
of be annoying. Well then how would they bring
Falu back into the fold, right, if not for for that loose

(30:25):
threat? Because we want to see him again
with his girlfriend Annika. I forget where her name was, I'm
not looking it up. Tried looking up something about
the play that they were doing with the Walkers, but I really
couldn't find anything other than in the 17th and 19th
century in Madrid, they would have elaborate string marionette

(30:46):
plays that showed religious scenes and historical scenes.
So I'm wondering if maybe that was kind of what that was styled
after, because it feels like they're trying to get like a
historical feel to this place. The women are in the historical
dresses and stuff like that. Other than that, I didn't really
get a whole lot of history out of it.
Yeah, I kept it pretty simple. So in terms of marionetting

(31:07):
itself, interestingly enough, marionettes were first
introduced to Spain by French jugglers in the 12th century.
And from there, Spain, like a toddler with a hobby, Took it
and ran. Yeah.
Does your toddler have a hobby? No, I'm the toddler.
This is the hobby. Today a lot of their marinetting

(31:28):
involves animatronics. Their culture is very deep into
that. They basically took what the
French gave them and ran with it, which I bring up only
because what is this series if not the same thing?
They dropped Darryl into France and then he moved into Spain and
took it to another level. So there you are.
And again. So the first two seasons were in
France and this season and the next season will take place in

(31:51):
Spain. That marionette show, it must
have been hilarious because theywere all laughing at these
walkers just bumping into each other.
It kind of reminded me of the Symphony that we saw in season.
Oh yeah. Was it one one?
I think it was 1. That season 1 of Dead City in
was. It Daryl Dixon.
No, that was theoretics. I'm sorry it.

(32:11):
Was like the mad French guy. Right, right.
That one was like they had really like fused the walkers
into the instruments and stuff like that.
This didn't really look like that.
They just had costumes on them. Powdered wigs.
I mean, after 15 years in the apocalypse, you're going to be
desensitized to walkers. They're just objects.
So I can see why that would be entertaining.
It's living puppets. Unliving puppets.

(32:34):
Right. Oh well, who echoes?
They're like Hollow, who used tobe alive.
Things that are now for your amusement.
I like what you said there because I think it explains a
lot about their culture, or at least, you know, the royal
culture, the El Al Qatar. I don't necessarily think it's
about these things are objects for our amusement necessarily,
but it's like, look what we can do.

(32:54):
Look what we've already done. We've created a system that
everybody's bowed down to, everybody's been compliant to.
We've basically subjugated the populace with a proposition.
We promise that we'll give you all this stuff too, so you can
protect yourself. And also we're protecting you.
In a blanket sense. We're protecting you.
All you got to do is just one girl and they've set themselves

(33:16):
up in a new fetal system. And you know, that makes The
King's Speech so much. I was, it was bothering me.
There is something to what he's saying here.
And it's this weird Generalissimo Francisco Franco,
which by the way, the king was dressed much like Generalissimo
Francisco Franco in his later years because of all the
decorations, right? He's the guy.
He's the main guy forever to winthis war between the living and

(33:39):
the dead. You're making a lot of
proclamations right now. We're winning this war.
Forever to win this war. I am the king.
And we will. We.
This is our fight between anarchy and order.
It is. But you're not winning.
No, but wait. The flame of human consciousness
must keep burning. And it bothered me because it
was very grand of him to say. It's such a weird thing to say

(34:02):
in the world we've witnessed forthe last 15 years, because when
it comes to principles and morals and all those things,
you'll find yourself breaking them more often than not.
And these people are sitting here, the flame of human.
It's been 13 years or so for them in their world.
Either they've been untouched byall this chaos and they've had
people do The Dirty work. Oh, it smells right, fed in the

(34:25):
pits, or they're just issuing themselves.
They're just. These.
These people are so. Detached from reality that they
make their workers wear masks sothey don't have to look at their
faces. I have the feeling that they
have no idea what's going on outside of their walls.
Kind of like Alexandrians. Remember how unprepared the
Alexandrians were until our people came in?

(34:46):
They had no idea what to do whenwhen Walker started coming at
them. They were absolutely helpless,
all of them. I'm not surprised that they
think, oh, we're we're protecting the world of
consciousness and we're winning this war.
Sure to you, you are because you're not out there fighting it
one. 100% So then when those marionettes, those undead
marionettes are up there on the stage, there's a combination of

(35:09):
see what we accomplished, but also there's the, it's kind of
like a roller coaster ride, likeoh, so scary.
You know, there's guardrails, you know, there's a safety
harness, there's this thing's been checked multiple times a
day for its safety, that sort ofthing.
And then it has a weekly check with a, you know, that they've
done the work to make sure this thing is serviceable.

(35:30):
It's the same thing with the marionettes.
Look what we did. And here the thrill of, oh, the
dead thing is round, round, round at me.
We won, we're winning. It's fine.
Like, oh, parading around your victories in front of everybody,
this dangerous, dangerous thing that we know is unrelenting,
doesn't sleep, that if you you blink one second, it'll get you.
If they were truly royalty and not just people who took over

(35:53):
the mantle after the end of the world or whatever, then the
chances are that they never actually dealt with anything in
the real world. Even after the apocalypse.
They have been sheltered foreverand so they have no concept of
of actual reality. I think you just hit on
something that had been bugging me about, let's say, the royal
families of England and Spain. They are effectively a

(36:13):
dingleberry in terms of governance.
It's a constitutional monarchy, but the monarchy doesn't really
do anything. So maybe to what Carol and
Darrell says in this episode, they go different ways in their
explanation of what the fall gave to people or took away
from. It gave the monarchy a purpose.
The Walking Dead universe made the monarchy relevant and they

(36:34):
used it to their advantage. So kudos.
See you, Sharon. You that really brought out that
thought, because what happened to governments?
They fell all the people, the smart people in the room failed
us. Except now the Royals would be
like, hey, good. So is there a zombie apocalypse
or something? Where are my servants?
Why don't they give me the foods?
Oh, I guess we have to do something.
OK, let's I got we got this. OK, let's set up a feudal system

(36:58):
and get a bunch of wenches up inthis bitch.
Said it again, it's fine, it wasworth it.
I think it was just emphasis. Every time you do, I just look
at Rachel. I'm like.
Yeah, me too. Did you notice that the zombie
Queen was crowned and then she'sthe one that actually ate the
real Queen I? Didn't know and it was the
jester who ate the king. Yeah, and then, but then Daryl

(37:21):
got to kill the King. Well, after he was already dead.
So Daryl got to kill the Walker King.
Is that him like killing these terrible memories of his dad in
his mind? You know, like.
Jeez Louise, that's all. Symbolizing here.
Because I was wondering what that dingleberry of a scene was
meant to convey as well. That's the word of the day is
dingleberry. Because it was kind of an odd

(37:45):
thing that was just shoved in there for some reason in that
checkerboard of scenes. They kept flipping back and
forth between Salat and Al Qatar.
They just kept going back and forth, back and forth, each and
every scene. It wasn't as though they stayed
in one place. They kept flipping back and
forth between all the crazy stuff that was happening there.
So when that happened, I was like, OK, this is an interesting

(38:05):
fluffer piece. But I did wonder, Sharon, do
what that meant. And I think I'll take that
explanation completely down withthe system, be able to
revolution Walker King person upin the neck.
Wanted to bring up something that I noticed when I went back
to rewatch. I've been paying attention to
the visuals they use in the opener.
Oh, in the title sequence, yeah.Sure, yes.

(38:27):
And I think that they were actually giving us hints about
what was going to happen throughout.
So that first building at the beginning kind of looks like
Mount Saint Michelle. And then we cut to Carol, and
then we cut to Darrell. And then we have a place that
looks like Salaz. Then we have a Primitivo.
Then we have the lady that's in the lighthouse.
She's standing up with a railingin front of her and then we have

(38:47):
the royal family turning into walkers.
Right, right. Right.
And then there's like another one with us, like stuff burning
because there was a couple of episodes ago where they had like
a festival where they burned stuff.
I can't remember exactly what happened.
I also think they changed some of the scenes throughout the
season because some of them weren't.
I'm, I'm not going to swear to this, but I feel like some of
them weren't in other openers. I thought maybe, but I I have a

(39:10):
feeling that they've been there the entire time.
The one that will jump out at methat I didn't notice until we'd
seen it was the catapulted walkers.
You'll see the fuck. They're like fireballs.
Sort of had little tiny fireballs heading towards
Solath. But I feel like they've been
there the whole time. It's just that there is no
reference point for us to even begin to connect it.
Especially since they were burning the effigies near the
end. I think of the title sequence

(39:31):
and even like Antonio and Carol them making out in the title,
I'm assuming that's them. By the way, there's no reference
point to that other than the sneak peek that you may have
gotten at San Diego Comic Con, let's say of the season.
But other than that, you wouldn't know it would have been
them. I just love the royal family
turning into walkers and that was really cool.
I. Would not have seen that coming

(39:52):
considering the title sequences from the first two seasons.
They were kind of similar, like it just looked like baroque
paintings melting and stuff likethat turning into walkers.
Which kudos the fact that they gave us kind of like a not a
nothing title sequence in the first two seasons that we
wouldn't pay attention as much to what was happening as more
cultural markers and stuff like that.

(40:13):
No, there are actual things in in this season that are buried
in the title sequence waiting for you to be discovered.
See, it's like they turned our Spidey senses off like, oh, this
is cool but has no bearing and yet it does.
Literally. Daryl Dixon ended the monarchy
in Spain. And he really did.
He not only killed them. And then, of course, Elena ends
up killing a future king. Guillermo Torres, right?

(40:35):
Well, the father of her child too.
I was thinking about that too on2.
Levels did not care if I don't know if he saw that happen, but
he was just like, oh, OK, we're leaving.
No, hey, where's Dad then? Those are just to go.
Well, let's be fair, I don't know how old this kid was too.
He was. Old enough to care about where

(40:56):
his dad would be. Well, you know, seems to me like
his dad was too busy going around picking up other chicks
all around the countryside. Maybe he just wasn't home that
much. Yeah, maybe.
Yeah. I was wondering what you guys
thought about the some of the things he said to Elena, too.
And there's one clarification weneed to make at the end of that.
But let's start with this is that he's kind of makes it clear

(41:19):
you were looking at that girl a certain way.
And I know. And he figures out who she is
like a little later once he getsa good look at her because in
her, in her own flashback, that was the last thing she saw.
But do you think that he makes it clear that he's done with her
when he initially starts saying some of the things he was saying
to her? I don't think he was done with
her, not at first. Not at first, right?

(41:41):
I think he was just like, you know, I'm disgusted with you
that I gave you everything and you're still lusting after
someone else. I.
Don't think he was done with herat all.
No, I'm actually not done with her at.
All not at. All because he told Paz that
they were going to be together every night she was going to.
She was going to mount her head on a.
Right, he was going to mount Elena's head on a spike on her
bedpost. So I guess he was.

(42:02):
Done with her then, but. So here's the thing.
So that's the thing I need to clear up because when you
actually listen to the Spanish, the way he says it is not what
the subtitles say. The subtitles are not
translating him correctly. What he says at the end is your
head will be mounted on Elena's bedpost in Spanish.

(42:22):
That's a. That's a huge difference.
It's a big mistranslation I. Thought that was a really weird
thing for him to say because I was like OK, why would you keep
paws alive? I do hope they fix it before the
episode airs. Do you remember when we were
able to get the screeners for The Last of Us?
I know that we had access to screeners for The Last of Us,
but I think it was on the same day or like we got them when the

(42:44):
episode was publicly available because they were trying to be
nice to us. I don't know if you remember, we
saw it could have been Craig Mason in the foliage in one of
the scenes and I actually pointed it out, but they fixed
it before it got to public airing.
But they didn't fix it in the Screener, so I got to show
people what it was. Oh, so that's right.
I'm hoping this is one of those scenarios where they they see a

(43:04):
couple of things that they couldtouch up and the subtitles being
one of those things. And we're not talking about the
subtitles that are in the closedcaptioning.
We're talking about the subtitles that they give to the
general audience in the episode overlay, translating the Spanish
to English for general US audiences.
The subtitles you get in closed captioning, at least on my
television, just said speaking in Spanish, right?

(43:25):
Exactly. Exactly.
It's interesting that it went down that way.
But to go back to the original question, I feel like until he
figured out who this person was,I think he was done with her.
And this is my. Opinion he's not going to be
done with her. He made a comment about do I
need to remind you I can't remember the yes of your place

(43:46):
or something he's not he's not going to be done with her.
The only way he's done with her is if is if he kills her but
he's not going to let her go offwith anybody else.
He's not just going to leave herpeacefully.
That would make him look weak. No way.
No, he was never going to be done with her.
And the translation you just shared with us makes a lot more
sense. He would keep Elena alive by his

(44:08):
side with paws his head on her. But yeah, absolutely.
What do you mean by done with her?
Well, there was something that Isaid in the last episode in that
when you have all the nuts, whenyou can literally do whatever
you want because everybody lets you do what you want.
And you get a peek of that when the guy that Hussein has matched
with does what he does to kind of strong arm her and not help

(44:30):
her at all is like, we can do what?
You deceived me. I can do whatever I want.
I'm the royalty to respect my authority.
Guillermo Torres says something to the effect of what he said.
Right. You mentioned I gave you the
world. And he says something in past
tense, though also. And again, he didn't recognize
who she was until he knocked herout.
When Paz met up with Elena and the kid subsequently.

(44:51):
Yeah. So that's when he recognized
her. He saw the cowgirl didn't
couldn't see exactly who it was,but he saw Elena's face when she
looked at the cowgirl. And he he saw the cowgirl from
the distance at Solaz. There was a little bit of that
going on, but he didn't know exactly who it was until he got
up close and personal says, oh, yeah, you're the trash that I
put out basically up until that point.

(45:12):
I feel like he was determined toteach her a lesson about what
you stand to lose by seeing anybody else other than me as
your future. Yes.
What that is, OK, maybe I misspoke when I say I'm done
with her. I don't know what it was, but I
have a feeling if he wanted to, if he was like super like this

(45:32):
is not for me. Like she's never going to come
around. I don't see why in a world where
you could literally do whatever you there's no God or authority
holding you over because people let you.
You're literally making these girls.
They don't know you're making these girls your slaves.
Well, what's the next step over All the king has to do is say,
yeah, I mean, if you she's not copping on to the system, take

(45:54):
her boy away from her, kill her and we'll match you with
somebody else. She doesn't appreciate these
gifts that we're giving her. That's where I'm coming from.
It's like there's nothing that makes it so that he can't do
that. I am the fear centered brain.
There's there's nothing holding me back from thinking the worst
awful things about some people, especially if there's nothing
telling them no. Like Fete, there's nothing

(46:16):
telling him no. There's no reason he has to take
responsibility for anything if there's no higher authority.
I mean, his mom can't even get him to.
He says you did this to yourself, bro.
And he's still, that's that's what I'm operating off of.
Like there's a repeating theme of, well, we are the ones in
power. We don't have to do right.

(46:37):
We don't have to take responsibility over the people
who we claim to love, but who cares?
I don't care. Yeah, they really care about
themselves. I'm not, let me put it to you
this way, it doesn't matter in the end.
It really doesn't. It's just scary to think that he
could and then when he figured out who it was it's like oh wait
I you know what? I'm not done with you.

(46:59):
I am going to torch you for the rest of your days because your
loves Walker head will be above our bedpost forever and ever.
I just turned into Pee Wee Herman for a hot 2nd.
Oh my gosh. Pee Wee Herman Walker would be

(47:20):
hilarious. We got to tell Greg Nicotero
what? Happened.
Did we ever see the the Jason Walker?
Where was the Jason Walks? Was I right?
Maybe. You may have been because I
don't unless we go through againand like look for it, but I
never caught a Jason Walker. Jason Walker We never I don't
think we saw it. And if we did, would it have

(47:41):
been this episode or the last one?
I'd have to go back and watch all the episodes.
Again. I didn't see anything that was
obvious. Great catch Rob.
I would have totally forgotten about it and I would have died
never thinking about it again. I did forget about it.
Things would have been fine, butnow I'm going to sleep less well
tonight. Rob, sorry.

(48:02):
I'm so sorry. But are you?
No. I'm walking past her.
Oh my gosh. Sorry.
I'm sorry, I encourage him because he actually makes me a
lot I'm. Would you?

(48:25):
Let's talk about this. Carol, when explaining to
Roberto, says before the fall, we didn't think we had a future.
And when you think about Carol'slife, even just after the fall,
it wasn't great with Ed and evenwith Sophia because of it.
We didn't think we'd have a future.
That love wasn't meant for us, obviously, because look at my
life. But The Walking Dead universe
makes it so that you become whatyou were meant to be or what you

(48:48):
could get, things that you couldn't get had it not
happened. Daryl goes the other way.
And this is at the end of the episode episode when he's
talking to Houstina. Why are you doing the things
that you're doing for us? Hostina says to Daryl.
There's no reason for you to, especially since we just watched
your flashback where it was like, those are different now.
You have to do the things you doto protect yourself, to survive,

(49:09):
basically. And some of those things are
going to be bad fed, right? So why?
Why would you do this in this world?
And he says, we lost something when the world fell and he lost
his chance for love. Daryl says, basically, but I'm
not going to let that happen to you.
And I like that we get the two perspectives because up until
now, we as dead heads, we're like, yeah, we'll continue.

(49:34):
This is great. I wish I had it.
And then they're basically saying, well, Daryl's saying
there was a chance that he couldhave had a better life while the
world didn't go to crap. And I think maybe even one could
even say for sure Darrell found a way to thrive after things
fell. But I think it might be safer to
say that with all the mental health services that are out

(49:56):
there in the world, and he couldhave found a job and found
stability and his dad wasn't around anymore.
And maybe he could have lifted Merle up and it didn't have to
go to the point where he lost his hand and died by the
Governor and all that stuff. Maybe something could have
happened. It would have been a chance.
Daryl could have found love, could have had a healthy brother
and all that stuff. But it went down this way and

(50:16):
that's fine. And the end result is he was in
love and he lost it. The sum total of his journey
thus far made it so that it gaveher this answer where he wasn't
at all interested in helping Hussein and Roberto all this
time until now. He was like, well maybe this is
what all this led to. Maybe that's why I went through

(50:37):
what I had to go through, just to give you what I couldn't
have. I just find it really cool that
like the cadrone thing in the beginning of the end, there was
this as well. This.
Carol and Daryl explaining the apocalypse from 2 angles.
Because we don't think about what we would lose often.
We talk about it sometimes. But like ice cream, right?
Refrigeration. You lose everything, pretty

(50:58):
much. Air conditioning.
Every luxury you can think of, unless you can build it backed
up, which is what they're starting to do.
But other than that, like when it first falls for the first
couple of years, even you, everyluxury you can think of, you've
lost medicine, showers, stability, you don't even know
if your house is going to stay up because someone can either
can take it and knock it down oror whatever.

(51:18):
But. People could claim to be the
king of Spain in the US. We could all go to crap.
I think we take for granted all the things that we would lose.
Oh yeah, people say all the timethat would do so well.
Walkers would just come. The Walking Dead actually
happened. I was like most of us would just
die. You're not a Daryl Dixon.
Yeah, no. Even Eugene made it past the
entire Walking Dead, not unscathed, but his mullet took a

(51:41):
couple hits. But you know, he made it.
He would keep a rat tail. Exactly.
I mean, people did live before there were the luxuries that we
all know today. Sure they have a bunch of.
It would be possible trying to get them.
Yeah. Well, yeah, that would be quite
the obstacle. But I mean, it would be
possible. It would be a lot more.
Difficult. Possible.
I just think a lot of the peoplethat claim that they would

(52:02):
thrive when the world would justbe like that would absolutely
fall. They'd be the first ones dead,
yeah, because they'd go out there and try to fight.
Well, we're all hiding. I have been thinking about this
a little bit more than I usuallydo on our podcast because
there's a lot of things that have been happening in the last
few years that made me think about the life that we have here

(52:23):
is not the life that people haveelsewhere.
It's why sometimes when people say, oh, I wish it would just
happen, then I wouldn't have to go to work.
I keep thinking to myself, yeah,but I think for other people
around the world, for The Walking Dead universe to happen
would make their already terrible lives way worse.
Not to get political or whatever, but y'all couldn't

(52:45):
even wear a mask for five hours a day without complaining about
it. You could not survive in the
apocalypse. I'm sorry.
I mean, you would probably complain a whole bunch.
Every day would be work in an apocalypse.
Yeah, you can't tell me not to get bitten by a Walker.
I'll get bitten by a Walker if Iwant to.
And then when we don't hear fromthem again.

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You're taking away my rights to say I can't get bitten by a
Walker? I would be pushing that person
into a Walker. To Rachelle Point, like every
day would be work. Like you'd be working harder in
the zombie apocalypse and you would be in your normal day
today, like at your job, becauseyou'd be working for trying to
find food, water, whatever else you need just to stay alive.

(53:27):
And not only that, it wouldn't be in air conditioning with
electricity, it'd be out in the slogging in the heat and
humidity and having to kill animals and get up to your
elbows and guts. And no, I mean, no, it's gross.
You never, you would never do it.
As Rick's friend at the CRM said, you know no more swamp
baths because you got to go backinto the.

(53:50):
Yeah, what a different part, thesmell.
The smell, the discomfort of sweat and grime.
Not being able to take a shower,a hot shower whenever I want to,
that would be the death of me. That and no air conditioning.
No, you know what? Life is not worth living.
I'm just just kill me. The no shower and the smell
would kill me. That would be the worst part.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm stubborn. The difference is, OK, if it
happened, here we are, let's do the thing.
But I wouldn't want it to happen, no.
It's a difference, right? I would try to survive.
I. Don't know.
I don't know how far I would, yeah.
Walking Dead. How can I survive?
I can't survive without my squawking dead.
Now, let's be fair, it's a negative income operation, but

(54:33):
hey, listen, we love doing it and we hope you love hearing it.
So I. Don't know how could we survive
without squawking dead to listento and explain TV shows that we
can't watch anymore. Exactly.
There's somebody. You get a generator, find the
Blu rays. Anyway, I love that.
I love that the show continues to find ways that we can, well,
a, make fun of ourselves that like, I want to go to work

(54:59):
tomorrow with the zombie among lamp and, you know, it's like a
tradeoff. Let's move on.
I tried to find Daryl's mask. I could not find it, but it does
resemble a Guy Fawkes mask. That's as close as I can find
it. I.
Was thinking to myself it looks kind of like Daryl which is
weird. You have a mask of yourself.

(55:21):
Gross. I thought it was interesting
that Paz had a half mask and Daryl had a full face mask.
It was like in my notes, I'm like, do I want to talk about
this? I don't want to say, what does
that mean? Who knows?
Actually, what it looked like was, let's pull it back on to
Sherry again, the masks that they used in fear when they cut
the faces off the mannequins andused them as masks.
I did think about that. Yeah.

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Well, it made me think of Rachel, OK.
Because remember when we first saw the previews for that
season, Season 5 of Fear The Walking Dead?
I think it was. It wasn't Season 6 quite yet,
right? Yeah.
Yeah. Season 5 the jump scare at
Dwight's dwelling and it was yousaw the mask flash in the window
as he's sculpting around his andyou're like mask what the F this

(56:02):
is what we're saying curse words.
That what? What the hell?
I'm not a big fan of masks either.
I can't see your face. Not cool, not cool.
Huge fear of owner mask. Well, not for me or something
like that. That's what I sound like.
So rude. You were just so flummoxed.

(56:22):
Get the bleep out of here with your bleeping mask.
Meanwhile, we're all looking at the Robinette's eggs.
The third one we've seen, the second one we've seen in the
series, I think it was anyway. It was the back half of the
game. Season 5 find a correlation to
that anywhere I tried really really really hard.
It's kind of like the what is that potato chip brand that

(56:45):
shows up. I don't know if it's in this
series. I can't remember what it was.
Could have been even the office I think are.
You talking about let's let's potato chips from community?
OK, yeah, there, there we go. But I think it shows up in other
series as well. Maybe let's and plingles or
sprinkles. Plingles, Yeah.
I do remember seeing the canned ham thing in The Walking Dead

(57:06):
universe and it having a name that was funny but I I that
wasn't spam. Wasn't it Cram?
No. That was cram is fallout.
Oh. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Which, you know, that's a thing.
That's a thing. We're deliberate with the
naming. It sort of resembles a name, but
it's also like, yeah, cram it ina can and also in your face.
So cram that ham. Whoa.

(57:30):
Subsequently, one way or the other.
Whoa, Black. Betty cram a ham.
Whoa, black. Betty Cram a ham.
Well, cramble the ham. Also, yeah, Cramble ham.
You'll never hear that song the same again.
Nope, I always sang ambulance. Yeah, Graham Ham ambulance.
Yeah, sure. I think one thing follows the

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other. We saw Alba in this episode.
Alba is the one who a helped Antonio and Carol brought them
in when they were dodging the bullets from Fede's people.
Fine. She also throws down the knife
to Carol from when you know Roberta was tied to.
It wasn't Alba, He called her something else.
Who is he? Antonio.
Here's when you heard her name. You heard her name when Alba

(58:12):
throws the knife to. Yes, but initially I think it
was her mom that. Right.
That brought them in. True, true, true.
Yeah, But you know, one half dozen the other.
Get it right, David. OK, fine.
She was in there. She was there in the home is
what I'm saying. Sure, because we had asked that
question. Is the girl from El Al Qatar?
Is that Alba right in the back of the truck with Hustina?

(58:34):
Fine. No, we we decided no in the when
we had that discussion. No, I know, I know.
But like now for sure, it's like, well, maybe she was.
No, we. Don't know.
But wait, there's a more important thing I wanted to get
to. I just thought it was.
This is an interesting aside that she's still here.
She's still getting paid as an actor.
That's fine, but but more interesting than that.
Okay, we saw Jaime get hung up by the Strepato in the second

(58:58):
episode. Third episode where Gamma Torres
comes in, he's like, where's my daughter?
And Gamma Torres goes Strepato. He doesn't say that, but they he
subsequently more give me more. I want more Strepato.
Oh my gosh, this is Jaime, right?
Jaime, not Giles Corey, but yes.Sure.
Was I really the same guy? The same guy, he leads him
through the tunnels outside to the city, basically outside

(59:21):
Celeste, but they're still walkers, there's a pit,
whatever, blah blah blah. Then Gustavo does what he does,
brings them to Fede, all that stuff.
So this is the question. Remember how he has a daughter?
Daughter is in al Qatar. I'm going to make the assumption
that one of the girls, and I think I know which one it is,
it's the lady with the scar. The girl with the scar on her
face is his daughter. Because when Husina looks out

(59:44):
out in the balcony, when we first see her in El Al Qatar,
she looks at this girl knowingly.
And it's not the girl that was with her.
It's a different girl. And she has this scar on her
face and she smiles. She's like, oh, it's the girl.
It's Jaime's daughter, I think is what I'm saying.
It's like, why would she do thatfor anybody else other than the
girl she was with in the back ofthe truck?
But I think it's Jaime's daughter.
I like that, yeah. Wait, but this is a bad.

(01:00:05):
This is a bad thing. Maybe if we're to assume that
what ends up happening near the end of the episode, who ends up
going to Selastimar? Not her, not not her, not her.
She goes to the Barcelona camp. That's right.
The one in TB Davo. That's right.
So maybe we say it's not her because otherwise wouldn't she

(01:00:25):
speak up and be like, oh, if you're going back there, I want
to go back there too because that's where I'm.
From I think what they said was the safest place to go would be
the Barcelona camp. That doesn't mean they're going
to stay there. Maybe they felt like it's the
safest place because maybe they won't be looked for there.
Like if the girls escaped and went back to salons then that
would be where they would expectto find them because they don't

(01:00:46):
know that everybody in there is dead.
That's where Hostina is going. Right.
But Justina is like, she's like,I'm doing my own thing.
Getting on the back of the bike but this dirty man.
Like the other girls if they arefrom Salaz or maybe it's safer
for them to go to the Barcelona camp 1st and then they can make
their way home. Oh yeah, there were other girls,
weren't there? Yes.
This is interesting because we only saw a handful of these

(01:01:09):
girls and I'm assuming there's more and I'm being I'm making a
mountain out of them all hill, but we saw five different
ribbons pustinas, right? There were six ofrendas total.
This was the 6th 1. I think I only saw six girls.
So were they all from Salat Del Mar?
That would be. Could they have been?
I feel like that'd be highly unlikely, but yeah.
It. Is a dead world.

(01:01:30):
So we see the girls in the in their dresses and they're
standing like around the the fountain thing, right?
I was under the impression thesewere the girls they gathered for
this year. The other two girls, the girls
that were were maids or slaves or what, you know, whatever.
They obviously were from a previous ofrenda and they were
not chosen. Right, exactly.

(01:01:51):
It could have been the same one,could have been different ones.
The five girls in the dresses that we saw were, I assume, all
from this year. Not.
True, they didn't just like carry over from last year.
Yeah, the other ones might have already been there, maybe.
Here's the thing that I'm thinking is like, what happened
to them? That's all.
Do they go somewhere else? Well, I mean, if they're all
made to be servants. They might have been chosen.

(01:02:13):
Right. Could have been chosen.
They're out in those other places.
This makes me think to where they are, that's all they'd all
die. It's.
Possible. So the girl that we met at the
Barcelona camp, she wasn't chosen and then she is and she
escaped. So maybe some were lucky and
escaped. It's also a really big castle,
so if the girl girls weren't in that very exact spot where

(01:02:34):
everything was going down, they could easily have escaped
afterwards. Or been servants in other areas
of the of the palace. Either servants or taken by the
by the Royals. Now we know definitively that
they're given to Royals. This is embarrassing, so go
ahead and laugh at me. It took me until like the third
flower to realize what was actually happening.

(01:02:54):
It's. Like a really messed up
Bachelorette. Yeah, I was like, oh, he's going
to give her a flower. It wasn't until the third one
that I realized the flowers werethe same color as their dresses.
Oh well, I didn't know that, butI assumed that the flowers were
like you've been chosen. Like how she manipulated him by
taking her hair down because that was what made him choose

(01:03:17):
her and she was like you manipulated me like she took her
hair down dude. You manipulated me.
I thought the whole manipulationthing was, well, the way she
acted too. Or, and if it pleases you, it
wasn't just the hair thing. Is he Signor, please, If it
pleases you, senor. Take me with you.

(01:03:37):
Because of that, because she took her hair down and then he
went him over and picked out thewhite flower.
True. Listen, hey, listen.
Put it on her. Sure.
That's what we should always do.All do.
Let's put it on the girl. Tip, David, shut up.
Typical. Shallow dude.
I was being facetious. Don't blame.
Don't blame the victim. Why are you blaming me?
I was just doing what I'm supposed to do.

(01:03:59):
So let me let me show you a couple things.
There's a little history lesson on where El Al Qatar was filmed.
It's a real place, wasn't it set?
How I know this is because pass was saying like here, welcome to
the old world. And they pan up to the ceiling
of this place. You got to see how ornate it is.
It matches up with this one particular place, which I will
show you called the Royal Al Qatar of Seville.

(01:04:24):
OK, now you notice the roof here.
That's the roof we got to see. Ceiling.
Yeah, the Royal Alcazar in Seville, Spain.
And here's the ramparts that yougot to see from the distance, so
you get to see them a little better.
Well, that's probably a better screenshot somewhere else.
But the fountain here, the courtyard, there is a shot of

(01:04:44):
the atrium somewhere, somewhere here.
There's like a stage here. But yeah, beautiful ornate
Moorish in design, these archways so beautiful with the
pillars. I love European architecture.
Yeah, this is more arabesque. There's a lot of Moroccan
influence in the tile work and stuff like that.

(01:05:05):
And even when Paz was getting towork with Darrell, she picks up
this end table. And it's a table that I would
have too. There's very Arab influence in
the woodwork and the, the detailing on the table itself.
It's really, really cool. I feel like I need to show a
picture of the table top of thisend table.
It's it's really, really unique in design.

(01:05:27):
And obviously there's a lot of Moorish influence in Spain.
Let's show you a shot of our boyCodron.
This one particular shot, it's pretty good though, I very much
enjoyed and it's the one this side profile shot here before we
knew it was him. And what do you see in clear,
plain sight in that shot? Look down.
I see lots of stuff, David. You're missing.

(01:05:48):
PPP thing. Correct.
I feel like they wanted us to see this one more time.
When we saw it the first time, it was in front of the statue.
They actually moved it to the side of the statue so that we
could see it better here on thisshot.
I don't know what it means guys,but.
It means nothing. They're trolling us, Scott.
Gimple is trolling us, yeah. They're trolling us, that's what
it means. But also, it's just a really

(01:06:11):
good shot of this statue with Codrone.
So the PPP is the People Power Party in South Korea and their
colors are yellow and blue. It's fine, I'll take it.
Goodbye. Is it time to watch the
flashback? As I think we should.
It's also the thing that got us dinged, I think.

(01:06:31):
So maybe we don't watch it. You need to grow up right.
Isn't that a great impersonation?
I thought it was him. Go run things different now.
Little brother, people do what they got to do or they die you.
OK, Yeah. Come on, there is a lot here.

(01:06:54):
There's two contrasting things, and it's the same thing as Carol
and Daryl in the beginning and the end of the episode.
What the apocalypse took from usand what the apocalypse gave to
us, right, Carol, what it gave to us, the future Daryl, what it
took from us. Same thing with these
flashbacks. In the flashback, young Merle is
telling Daryl to run, and old Merle is saying things are
different now. You can't run.

(01:07:15):
You got to do what you got to door you die.
In the past when it came to yourdad, OK, you can't.
You can't kill him. There's no world in which you
could call the cops on him. You'll just end up back at home.
The way he says little brother, he sounds.
I could sound. Like it's broker.
But it's what he says after thatmade me think it wasn't him,
because it didn't sound like himat all.
Well, the first part sounded a little off too, but the little

(01:07:38):
brother is what? Brothers, Yeah.
People do what they got to do. Where they die Did not sound
like Michael Rooker at all. There's a reason why this shows
up here, because this shows up here specifically to contrast
what Hasina says. You got to do what you got to do
or, or or you die. And then she says, why are you
doing the things that you're doing?
Given what your brother said after the fall, you got to do

(01:08:00):
what you got to do. Why would you do this for us?
It's been leading up to this thewhole time.
Why did you run when you were younger?
Why do you run towards things now that things fell or you run,
you can't sit still? So two things can be true when
it comes to Darrell as an adult,not now necessarily, but a
little bit now. 1 is that it's true.
In season 9, he says to Carol inRick's New World Order.

(01:08:23):
He says, I liked it when it was just a handful of us out on the
road. Not this whole New World Order
thing. This whatever's happening here
is not working. People are starving, it's not
working out. There's chaos, et cetera.
And he wanted to run, but he stayed for Rick, his brother to
Carl's vision, et cetera, et cetera, until he didn't.
He was like, I'm screw this, it's over, it's not going to
work out. But even then, he stayed right

(01:08:44):
after Rick died. He went to look for his body for
his sake because he betrayed him.
And however it went down is the way it went down.
But he felt responsible a littlebit for that.
So and also it's his brother, sohe wants to look for him fine.
But at the end of The Walking Dead, when he does go off, I'm
glad he brings this up because even then, even after everything
that happened, what was the reason?

(01:09:05):
And he brings it up himself. What, why did I run?
And that's what the flashbacks are all about to address this
one fundamental issue for the series beginning.
We wrote it off for so long thatwe never really got an adequate
answer to why he went off and why he did the things that he
did. I think maybe even Feta in this
episode, not taking responsibility for his actions
made Darrell question some of his own actions, how things

(01:09:28):
ended up. It's always things happening to
me, never me doing the things that maybe landed me where I
landed, let's say in France or in Spain, etcetera.
So the flashbacks are a way of us giving, giving us a little
bit more context to his past to figure out why his instincts,
right. You, you said it best, I think.
Sharon D It's like your first gut thing is your learned

(01:09:50):
behavior. Daryl's flashback of running
right? Merle tells him to run from his
dad. Your second thought is what you
should do, which is Daryl running towards the danger post
apocalyptically, Merle saying you got to do what you got to do
or you die. But also at the same time, he
wasn't listening to Merle's advice.
He was running towards the danger.
And of course, we all know that Walter White is the danger

(01:10:13):
building on. It's just interesting to see all
of this come together with the flashbacks, with this series
premise and his past and presentcolliding, him reckoning the two
things that can be true that he did run away in the series.
That's what caused this whole thing happening.
But also throughout his journey,he runs towards the danger
wherever he is. Or whenever they went to settle

(01:10:33):
down anywhere. That whole scene made me reflect
on his whole journey throughout the main show.
When they got to the farm, he separated.
He went off and made his own little camp.
He was staying away from everybody, keeping himself
distant, going to the prison. I think he stuck around more
because there was always a conflict in Season 3, but he
always had to had to be the Fortand obviously he ran off to go
get Merle when they got to Woodbury and stuff like that.

(01:10:55):
But season 4, obviously they're separated, but once he gets to
Alexandria and stuff settles down, he's got to go.
He felt super uneasy there. Even getting into the
Commonwealth. He had to find a way to get out
of there. He found a purpose in going into
their military and stuff like that and like actually running
away from the town itself. Going back to even Alexandria,
right, He managed to finally channel that impulse into

(01:11:17):
finding other people to bring back and finding excuses to go
be like Aaron to go out there and.
Aaron recruited him. You made it sound like Daryl saw
out Aaron for that job but. It was a way to channel that.
But yeah, Aaron did kind of likesee that in him and like, I can
help you channel that. It just suited him and now we
know why or even more of a reason why that is.

(01:11:39):
It literally peak healthy version of Daryl, I think, as
you could be in the zombie apocalypse.
And then here he is again going out and and I think his fear is
valid about what if I get home and I don't and I want to run
off again? He kind of did that, like you
said in the Commonwealth with Judith and RJ's, like he would,
you know, put himself in dangerous situations, not

(01:12:00):
thinking about, well, what happens if you don't come home?
It's possible in this world. I think he's got a bigger
responsibility in being basically the father of Laurent
now that when he gets back, he can't leave.
He's not allowed to always. You're abandoning that child.
Yeah, we. Don't know what's going to
happen in season 4 two. And who's to say, look, I don't
like a world in which Daryl is written off the well written off

(01:12:24):
the universe, let's say that we don't get to.
But like, I could see a world inwhich Cadrone finds meaning in
taking care of Laurel. Let's say both French speakers
and you. Think he'll come back to America
with them if that's the end of the.
Show Rachel you're a big fan I think of codron right so yeah, I
could see that I would want thatfor him they're.
Gonna have to fix the cruise ship to bring all the people

(01:12:45):
they want to bring back to America with them at least.
The zombie apocalypse's version of Waiting for Godot.
It's like, oh, the cruise ship will come, it'll come.
Look at the watch. It's like season 25 of The
Walking to Daryl Dixon, only. There was an interview recently
where someone was talking to Norman about.
As you've been taping the fourthseason, which is the last

(01:13:06):
season, is that right? How has it been knowing that
Darrell Story is coming to an end?
There's a famous quote from David Bowie when an interviewer
asked him, So what do you think your final words are going to be
as you die? And he goes.
They're going to be. But but but but but.
That's kind of how I feel right now.
I'm satisfied with where we've ended up, What we're doing now.

(01:13:26):
You know, there's talk of every time Darryl can't sit still, He
just wants to run. Every time he ends up someplace,
he gets that feeling he's got togo, he's got to run.
So, you know, maybe there's a better way of life.
Maybe we're doing it wrong. Maybe the running and the
fighting we've been doing for solong is the wrong way to go.
That's a large portion of where we're going to end up.

(01:13:47):
OK, so perhaps Daryl's story doesn't necessarily end, it just
continues elsewhere, just kind of keeps going.
Use your imagination. Love my pay grade, yeah.
And I was like, there's no way. Even if he doesn't have his own
spin off show anymore, I feel like they'll write Daryl into
something else, either a cameo character or they'll still tell
his story going forward in some way or another.

(01:14:07):
I don't think this is the end for Daryl.
He worded that very oddly, but it was counter to what he had
been saying. When Speaking of that, do you
remember I mentioned in our NYCChighlights coverage there's a
guy, Mike from Long Island? His article finally came out.
The bottom line is it was prettycool.
He got to sit down with Zabel, Nicotero, Reedus, oh, and

(01:14:29):
Gimple, and he asked a couple questions of them.
I would go into it right now, but I think you should read it
for yourselves. I'll probably put a link in the
description or in our blog for it.
I already put it on our Twitter account so you can catch it
there. I hope this series ends with
Daryl finding out Rick is still alive.
It better at that point. They'll be doing the fans a
disservice by not giving us somekind of closure in that

(01:14:50):
department. Even if it's not him getting
back to America to find out, I know us as viewers in general.
I don't know how they would get word to him somehow, but.
You don't necessarily have to have them meet right in the
finale, but like, right, Daryl gets the word, like, hey, Rick's
back and just a quick reaction and then cut to black, whatever.
And then whatever new show they want to do down the line, you

(01:15:13):
can kind of tie that up. I feel like that's.
Which should be the plan, but I don't know what Gimple really
wants to do. I don't know if he actually
hates us or not. Daryl was asking like, why did I
have to do this? Why did I?
Why did I have to leave you? Had a reason you were going,
especially to look for Michonne.Yeah, it was to find Rick, find
Michonne and find the truth. I think what he was, what Daryl

(01:15:34):
was saying in the episode, was it wasn't necessarily to find
Rick, but it was. There could be an argument to be
made that maybe he flung himselfinto the wind to see if maybe he
was there, but really was because he was.
He couldn't sell. He tells, he tells Judith.
I'll bring him home. Yeah.
At the end. So like if there's a.
If there's a hint to be had, well, because.
Right. Because Michonne goes out there,

(01:15:56):
she's not back, etcetera, etcetera, blah, blah, blah.
I can see what you're saying. She'd already been gone so long.
And we know now because that year, and I think it's
technically two years because the year after the fall and then
you have the year since the Whisperer War, I think basically
just about. I would say.
Remember when the Commonwealth was dead, they got demolished
and they had the memorial the year after?

(01:16:17):
Yes. Yeah, so there's the year
between the Whisperer War endingand then the Commonwealth arc,
right? With the Reapers and all that
stuff. Six months.
So when the whisper war ends, there's a six month time jump.
They put that card up. OK When Daryl shows up at the
gates of the Hilltop and the armor, that little scene.
OK, OK. And then I would say they wrap
up like maybe a couple more weeks until they finish off the

(01:16:40):
Commonwealth in their timeline. Fair, I'm guessing there and
then another year. So yeah, a year and a half.
Year and a half fine, So those are that.
And that was like travel time from Michonne leaving to
actually getting to Pennsylvania, Virginia, where
CRM is. It's in Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania, so travel time. And then travel time
specifically. And then the time she's in the

(01:17:02):
CRM, which is at least a couple weeks and then travel back.
Well, and I'm even talking aboutthe back, it's just when Dara
leaves for Maine. Yeah, time that we're in right
now. And that's why I put it two
years after Mission leaves, because I think there may even
be wiggle room because when he goes on the bike, I don't know
how long after the memorial, theyear after memorial, when Daryl

(01:17:24):
leaves, because time after that is kind of wonky.
I just always said he left rightafter the memorial.
Like that was it. Like he's like, I stayed for the
memorial. I'm hitting the road.
Or didn't say anything at all except to Pookie or whatever.
Carol, he's Pookie to Carol and the I love you scene and.
I was not always assumed that was happening within the same.
Sure, let's even go with that. That's fine too, Michelle.

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Michelle's not been back for a year and a half and so he
figures he's going to go out there and see what happens and
below for something. I mean, Rick and and he didn't
have to do that. Rick could probably find his own
way home is really the point. I say all this to say, let me
let me just mention the blog actually, so Idle Hands blog is
Mike from Long Island's article.It does address some of this

(01:18:07):
stuff to your point about like where is what's the future of
this series and The Walking Deaduniverse on the whole.
And his screen name is at screenname.
What is a Well, it's the messenger.
It's at Munson 1897 Munson on X and idle Hands blog.com, which
we actually used during the NYCChighlights episode that we for

(01:18:30):
something else. I think it was the running man,
Glenn Powell. Glenn Powell running man.
Not the same guy, but he writes for the same blog like from Long
Island. Even if Rick were at the New
Commonwealth, whatever, whereverthey're at now, Daryl probably
most likely would have found a reason to go out and look for
something anyway. Therefore, answering my
question, yeah. So you think he would just be

(01:18:52):
unsettled even with Laurent, even with Rick and Rob thinks he
would stay before Laurent? I don't know, do you think
Laurent is anymore or less of a reason to stay than Judith and
RJ were? I would say more definitely,
but. I was saying more, really.
Yeah, because we had made a promise to sure one. 100%.
Wow, sure out that's. Why would you?

(01:19:15):
Why would you say out? Because.
What would keep him and Laurent both from going off together?
That's kind of where I was headed, actually.
If Laurent is the voice or whatever, you know the one, the
soothing, the healing one, why wouldn't you take him around to
other places, you know, to keep?Him safe, keep him alive.
It's too dangerous to take him out well.
I'm not talking about when he's a little kid, but you know, I

(01:19:36):
mean as he gets older. Even now.
I don't think Laurent would be content to stay in one place and
only minister to the same peoplewhen he could go around and meet
others and help all the people because that was his thing.
That weird irony of still fulfilling his fate but in
another country? Sure, that would be really cool.
Actually. I would love to see that show

(01:19:57):
it. Just to address your Dave David.
Why are Judith and RJ nothing? I'm like, something is nothing.
But I'm just saying in terms of getting to stay, obviously he
left even with them around. I'm just saying.
Is there a chance he may say if it's Laurent?
Yeah. Will he?
I'm not sure. Or convinced either way.

(01:20:19):
They went through some stuff together and he rescued him and
he sees himself in this cave a little bit.
What he and Judith have been through some stuff.
Well, the the biggest differenceis that even when he and Judith
went through stuff, there were always other.
People. People around whereas.
Laurent, our whole life. Right.
Whereas Laurent, it was pretty much just him and Isabel and

(01:20:39):
Daryl there for a while. So I feel like there's a little
bit of difference there. Maybe he feels like Laurent is a
little more reliant on him because he doesn't have this big
extended true family that that that Judith and RJ had.
Who can explain why we feel a kinship with one person or
another? And I think when you form some
kind of connection with somebody, doesn't mean that that

(01:21:01):
other connection is less than just means that you feel a
certain way about this kid that you could probably say, though,
it's my found son and of the family whom I lost or the love
that I lost, There's a little bit more of a stickiness to that
relationship. It's to say that there's less of
one with Judith. It's just that it's different.
It's, it's different. That's that's how I'll say that

(01:21:21):
it's definitely different. And you can even tell the
difference too, when you look atsome of the scenes with them in
it, Judith and RJ, he doesn't feel like he's up to the task,
et cetera, et cetera. He doesn't feel that way.
I think with Laurel, and maybe that's the training wheels too,
is that his experience with Judith and RJ was maybe the
training wheels that led him to being able to take full
responsibility for Laurel. And maybe it wasn't perfect, but

(01:21:44):
we'll never know unless we get back home.
So echo what you guys are saying.
I'd love to see it, but I, I don't have the faith that we
may, I don't know. Will we see?
Cuz then won't we run into the same issue or a similar issue to
Rick finally being reunited to his kids and it feeling really
weird in some respects. Well, and Rob, you weren't there
for that. So what was your reaction for

(01:22:05):
the end of The Ones Who Live? I cried.
I was really touched by the end of The Ones Who Live.
I know a lot of people thought that R JS acting was a bit
wooden. Just chucked it up to being a
child actor. Sure, you.
Know that was like the least of my problems with the show.
That show. Most of it.

(01:22:28):
It's kind of like with the booksversus TV shows and movies sort
of thing. Your mind is way cooler than a
show was ever going to show you and it's it's kind of
unfortunate. Don't get me wrong, I wanted a
bigger reunion out, not just RJ and Judith.
I would have. Preferred to see other
characters like come greet them together.
So if there's RJ and Judith in afield, by themselves an

(01:22:49):
ambiguous field, we don't know exactly where, if it's at
Alexandria or the Commonwealth or whatever, but.
We definitely know it was a bluescreen, so.
Yeah, we definitely. Know that it was it was a sound
stage. So no, you don't get what you
want. This is the same reason that I
was able to write that off is because it's it's the same
reason why you don't make too much mention of Sarah and

(01:23:11):
Wendell. I was able to be OK with it
because if you don't say anything at all, they could show
up somewhere else maybe. And if you don't include more
cast members being ripped in theshow, open in.
Those Yeah, yeah. Now I'm like mad.
I'm so mad. I'm mad all over again.
The reason why I bring that up is because if you include more
actors from The Walking Dead in the scene with Rick and Michonne

(01:23:33):
and Judith and RJ, it's like, OK, well, but are they still
alive? Are they OK?
Maybe they're not. Maybe they're somewhere else.
Maybe they have their own adventures.
Sarah and Wendell show up at theend of Daryl Dixon.
When they end up back in the Commonwealth I will be extremely
happy, that's all I can say. And wouldn't it have been worth
it? But I will say that right now,
Wendell's got a pretty sweet jobwith Tim Allen fixing cars, so I

(01:23:56):
don't know if he's going to showback up or not.
Sure, pretty sweet deal. But hey, if it happens, you
never know what this universe and.
So at least Wendell and June were reunited.
If he brings Sean Williams Scottback with him, I'm totally cool
with that too. Who's this guy?
What? We picked him up in California.
Sean Williams, Scott's on Jenna and Tim Allen's show.

(01:24:16):
Yeah, shifting gears. Shifting gears.
Yeah, Shifting Gears Wednesdays on ABC.
Check it out. It's pretty good, yeah.
I have yet to watch the second season.
Just to give everybody context. Jenna Elfman, who played June on
Feel The Walking Dead. Wendell on fear The Walking Dead
is played by Daryl chill Mitchell, who's also on shifting
gears. Sean Scott randomly shows up The
Walking Dead universe Sure, I'lltake it.

(01:24:38):
Why not Sharon? He's laughing and we missed the
delicious laughter. It's fine, I was just.
She's still just thinking about.Tim Allen like showing up on
home improvement. I thought the same thing.
Bee Wee Herman, Stop. Bee Wee Herman and.
David what? Was his characters the.
Commonwealth needs more power. Rachel's like why, Why are you

(01:25:04):
encouraging this charity? And she's like, you know, you're
the odd man out. I'm Puff Do.
You like what you heard? Wrap it up, David.
At the very end, we had the honorarium for Amy Lacey.
She was a script supervisor and she died in a hit and run car
accident in September. We mentioned all that, yeah, in

(01:25:27):
the first episode. That was okay.
The Season. Yeah.
I like the thing. Back out there because they put
it back up in the credits again.Thank you for reminding me.
I love that they did finally do that because I thought they were
going to do in the first episodebut I guess they didn't get to
including it until now. But she was the script
supervisor for this universe too, so I guess it kind of makes

(01:25:49):
sense. But she pulled it all together.
There were two musical themes that came up that I was very,
very cool to hear. 1 Hussein andDaryl leave on the motorcycle.
When they leave, pause behind. You have these scenes of them
going across the country. And I love this song.
It's Miles Davis's sketches of Spain.
It's so good. I, I have a copy of it.

(01:26:11):
And Miles Davis actually saw a performance by flamenco dancer
Roberto Iglesias. Roberto with his wife Francis.
So he, ever since he saw that performance, he was obsessed
with the idea of incorporating jazz in Spanish flamenco.
And he did the collaboration. And through that collaboration,
first of all, brilliant album. Incredible.
Some people criticize it being jazz at all, but he's like, it's

(01:26:34):
music, I like it, I'm going to do it.
And he actually went on to win aGrammy Award for the best
original jazz composition because of this incredible song,
great trumpeting, beautiful. But there's another one.
And it's when the boat is burning and it is hurt My 9 inch
nails as sung by And it's in Spain.
Spanish too, even though I thinkthe person who's recording it is

(01:26:56):
Chilean. As quickly as I could actually
research it. His name is Nico Bori.
He's like a metal artist who didthe Johnny Cash 9 Inch Nails
acoustic version of the song. If you find it, it's almost
literally the same as it was played on the show too, Nico
Bori's version. So what does that mean in terms
of at least the hurt part? Obviously they're hurt that they

(01:27:18):
can't go back. Fede managed to dig one more
Hurt on who? Stina by ruining her chances of
a better life. The thing that we all want for
our children or family, the people that we love.
So the one thing he says to Antonio when he catches Carol in
Antonio Fede, he says some people sacrifice for the ones
they love and then some people, he looks at Antonio and this

(01:27:40):
makes me this again. This is another thing that gets
me disgusted about Fede. He goes and then some people let
other people sacrifice for them.And then you see what he does at
the end of the episode. He does everything he can do to
not take responsibility, to let other people sacrifice on his
Marga, to sacrifice on his behalf only to keep him in

(01:28:00):
power, to keep him as one in charge, to get the last word, to
get the last revenge. Big dildo energy.
Mm hmm. OK.
Yeah, accurate. Then this was a pretty good
season for the show I would say.Overall I really enjoyed this.
Daryl Dixon is still my favoriteof all the spin offs.

(01:28:21):
I think it's the strongest in terms of writing and acting.
And even execution. Cinematography, everything.
It's definitely got the biggest budget I feel like.
I think they've managed to do some pretty innovative things
with that budget to kind of stretch it.
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At a certain point, it felt a little bit masturbatory in a
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I enjoyed all that stuff. But then to keep incorporating
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(01:30:28):
don't know, I'm trying to say something, but I'm I don't know
if I'm hitting it, it doesn't really affect it too much, but.
I think you've said enough. Because I use the word match but
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No boners. I said boners.
All the dildos. Now we said 4 boners, now
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