The Walking Dead: Dead City |2x06 "Bridge Partners Are Hard to Come by These Days"

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We are squawking dead, a podcastpulverizing programs beyond The
Walking Dead universe. Sometimes we give you news,
sometimes we make you laugh. Most times we go deep.
I'm your host, David Cameo, and I'm joined by Sky.
Cosmo Mom, 09. Lazy Gardner.
And Bridget, you can find me at youtube.com, Slash at Punky
Brewster. That's PUNKYBRUISETER And Rachel

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definitely jumped when you said we.
I could not see her at the time I.
Saw it was. Like one second, the title
sequence was still on the screenand so I couldn't see her and
that was. Pretty funny.
Lucy made a noise and so I was looking at her waiting for
another sneeze and then I had you in my ear and it, it

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startled me. Yeah, so many distractions.
Speaking of distractions, if youhadn't noticed just now, in case
you're here on the replay or in case you're here live, say hi.
We I OK, I'll say I from here onin I devise is a new title
sequence. I revamped our TWD title
sequence so that it's more inclusive of The Walking Dead
universe. It features some of our art

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designs that say from seasons past discussing if you're The
Walking Dead, tales of The Walking Dead, The Walking Dead,
world beyond The Walking Dead, the ones who live, The Walking
Dead, dead city, The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon.
It's all in the title sequence and Rob Lucchesi's here.
Hey, I'm squawking over here, but he doesn't say over, but I
said here. And so, yeah, I hope you like
that title sequence, Rob. If you just rewind a little bit,

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you could check that out. If you did catch it, let me know
what you thought about it. And I would like to know from
you on Spotify and YouTube and Facebook, probably how much you
liked it. If or if you didn't like it, you
said it's lame. Maybe you should do this
instead. I'd like to hear that too.
And you could do that always on our Spotify comments and YouTube
channel and our YouTube comments.

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But you can also go to ratethispodcast.com/walkingdead
and leave us a rating. It always helps.
And we read your ratings on social media.
Well, we write them and we screencap them and we love them
and we'll say something about them if they're really
outrageous on the next episode, whenever that may be.
Last week, Dave and I did a guest spot on another podcast,

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MCU The Bleeding Edge. MC Yeah, the MCU is.
Bleeding Edge podcast. We were on it.
So, you know, go look at that orwhatever.
Yeah, and if you happen to have caught it, I'd like to really
much know what you thought of it, because I think, Rachel, you
can't say anything when you're on mute.
You know better than that. I know the blower's on.

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I'm making fun of you because you said I really much.
Really much. Yeah, well, what's wrong?
Really much. What's wrong?
Am I speaking English? Not good.
Yeah, I really did like being there.
And I have to say, it's really nice.
I really much like to not be in the host seat for once, which
allowed Bridget and I had to go a little ham and be a little bit

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ridiculous. I think it warranted it.
And it was the kind of show where, let's just put it this
way, you know why we became a podcast to begin with?
Well, that and then it allowed us to kind of be just, you know,
we could just be ourselves and just lean into the nuttiness and
say crazy, dumb things and stupid things.
Stupid things. Yeah, we did laugh a lot.

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I did laugh a lot. It got a lot of comments about
the laughing. Also from Bluecat 462.
Yeah, I've. Heard it's a problem.
Yeah, apparently it's a problem anyway.
Oh, you did see it. Oh, OK.
You saw the title sequence, Rob.OK, cool.
Thank you. He did.
I I appreciate that. You should check out the last
one. See the differences.

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Now grade me on my work. I appreciate that.
Too. Just tell him he did good, Rob.
Just tell me to talk it away. All right, let's move on to
something else, which is the title of this episode, and this
one was a doozy. I'm going to just ask you,
Rachel, do you know what the title of this episode is called?
Don't look it up off the top of your damn head.
Yes, I do. She watched it twice.

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I did. I made sure and and looked at
the title. It was quite triggering for me.
It is. I might get, I might get it a
little bit mixed up. I think it was bridge partners
are hard to come by or hard these days.
Good enough, good enough. Hard to come by these days.
I get the the meat of it. It was very triggering for me
because in my little town here, we currently have bridge

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partners and they repaired two of two of our four bridges and
are now charging a toll to go over those bridges.
Because they fixed them. Yes.
It's progress, people, winners and loses.
Well. It we knew the toll was coming,
but they lied about they they lied to us and it was, it's not

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a good thing, not a good. Thing how apartment.
How apartment for this episode in terms of this, I'm sorry
you're triggered. First of all, I want to say that
I'm sorry I almost glossed over it because it is.
We know New York City knows all about bridges and tunnels and
tolls. Oh my.
If I told you the price of one of our tunnels, the least
expensive one, you'd be like, how do people do it here?

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Do they have the option of like a like a monthly or yearly pass
that they can? Purchase.
So you can sign up for EZ Pass and I have to say EZ Pass has
partnerships with, while all theother passes in most states,
yeah, we have EZ Pass, Georgia Peach Pass yeah and all the ones
going down through DC and yeah All right, so we.

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Have the NC easy pass. Exactly.
Yeah, there's a partnership there and yeah, if.
If you get a monthly or yearly fee and then yeah.
And then they're able to. Use because you can't pay at the
tolls anymore because. Yeah, they'll mail it in.
Alright, because they're just going to mail me things.
When I was going back down from Michigan, I came through West
Virginia and you have to go through tolls.

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I could have routed myself around them if I wanted to, and
I did want to, but I'd also beendriving for like 19 hours and
really just wanted to get home. But they only take cash and I
did not have any cash. So I.
Had to go through and get a slipof paper saying that I went
through the toll and then I had to come home, go online and pay
the toll you. Know you could pay it, at least

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I. Can pay it online.
I mean, I could have avoided allthat if they would taken cards
at the toll, but they didn't. So I had I and I didn't have any
cash on me, So, and they were $12.00 each.
I think I went through three of them just in one little section
of West Virginia. Wow.
No kidding, that's. Crazy, I said.
Hi, Tess. Oh.
Hi, Tess. I'm sneaking it in and Rob says

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you might as well say it. She says look at those beautiful
faces, by the way. That's why I always just took
the train from Secaucus to Penn.8.
Dollars round trip Train ride 8.Dollars round?
Where did you get that from? I don't know.
What do you mean you don't know?Why did I say it like that?
I don't know. No, I mean, where is that from?

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Where's that quote from? Oh.
It's from Rob, OH. My God.
Stroke. And then you just just so you
know. Where did that come?
From I was trying to move the two XO 6 while you were saying
that and you just said it and you didn't see who it was from
so I just. It was a continuation of
Secaucus to Penn. I don't know why I said it like

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that. I just wanted to.
It's accurate because yeah, see Caucus New Jersey to Penn
Station. The train.
Yeah, that's what. I'm guessing, yeah. $8 round
trip train ride which test says.Some of tolls and some will mail
you the tolls but I miss seeing the prices.
It's nuts. And did you run into the
unmanned tolls that you had to put in coins for?

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It's been so long, it's 20 years.
We had a couple of those in Jacksonville when I was a kid
and my mom would give me the change.
It was like $0.35 and I got to throw it in the basket and that
was like the highlight. Anytime we drove on and that
side of town, I got the same. Those are.
Fun, yeah. Same.
Yeah, especially going to like atheme park or like a water park.
It's like, it's like and it's a shorter drive, but still it.

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Was on the way to the zoo. Yeah, it was on the way to the
zoo. That was where we we go to the
zoo. I.
Same energy. It's gone now.
They have removed all of the tolls in Jacksonville.
That's that's all gone. Yeah, I hate.
Tolls from being a kid, actually, you guys have all
these nice memories of doing thetoll.
Do you know how stressful it was?
My mother was like yelling at usin the back, like, get the
money, it's a $2.00 and you're like.

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Go to go home New York accent. The money is $2.00.
I don't know. Why I'm doing that?
Now she she has her hand up, ready to strike, right.
It was. A circle.
Punishment. It was so rough.
I like there was like a little Ziploc bag full of chains and
frantically trying to find the money.
Say, hey, you know, the Bruegel wasn't wrong about progress, at

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least on that level. Yes, true, Some things are OK
They're a little screws. They get a little smaller.
So we just got. Buoyed.
He's so right. Because Rachel's time is limited
just for everybody else, we haveto keep that in mind.
As far as the title goes, besides the triggering what, how
do you think that title relates to the episode?
Well, I suppose it could mean a literal bridge, but I took it
more as metaphorical bridge, right between groups, and bridge

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partners are hard to come by or find.
Or what? How.
However, it was because everyone's liars, everybody
lies. You can't trust anybody.
So there are no bridge partners in this world because they're.
All solo, Yeah. OK.
OK, we'll get into specifics, I guess, as we go.
Sharon D What do you got? Part of the theme of this whole

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series is not going back to the past.
And what is more of the past than people who play bridge you
want to talk about? We don't want to go back to the
old ways. Who in this day and time of the
apocalypse, has the time or the wherewithal to learn how to play
Bridge, much less find three other like minded people who
also want to play bridge with you.

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It is a thing of the past, and that is what Bruegel is
acknowledging, this kind of thing.
It doesn't belong here anymore. We're the last of a dying breed.
What is what do we really want to go back?
The whole thing, the whole thingof this show is do we want to go
back? Why do we want to go back?
Just so we can play bridge. That's that's not enough of a
reason. I've never played bridge before,
but it seemed like it was a lot like Euchre.

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I've never played bridge or euchre so.
I love euchre, I will tear you up in euchre but I've never
played bridge but the way. You've never been more
Midwestern. I will.
Tear you up in euchre. I will tear you up in euchre.
Euchre, let me tell you. Let me tell you so hard.
No, but the way he was explaining it, watching,

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watching him play it, I'm like, that's not bridge, that's
euchre. Maybe they're similar?
She says with an old fashioned in her hand.
It's like rattling around too. And she's.
Like her pants with corbel Brandy, nothing else.
Drinking my fago. Now she's a Juggalo.
She's a Juggalo. Now I go.

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To Michigan. Yeah, well, so is the was it
Insane Clown Posse? Aren't they from the Midwest?
Isn't that? ICP, yes, yeah.
Yeah. Like the insane clowns?
Yes, David. Well, I have to be formal about.
I honor them with their full name anyway.

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Euchre is a simpler, faster paced 4 player trick taking game
with a smaller deck than bridge,while bridge is a more complex
strategic game with more intricate bidding and scoring
there. You go.
So what does that say about what's happening?
So Euchre's for dummies, that's what.
I heard, well, no, it's like, it's like kind of like if you
put if you throw in like Monopoly rules to make the game

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go a lot faster. It's same energy Euchre's that
instead of playing bridge for like hours on end like your
grandma. Well, the people in this world
who would be bridge players are all dying or dead.
I mean, really. On the show too.
Bruegels is the He's the last ofa the last of a dying breed who
wants to play bridge in this time in in space.

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Feel like Bruegels even kind of young for bridge.
He. Clearly played with his grandma.
No, Warren Buffett taught him. Warren.
Warren Buffett. That's right.
I am curious though. Him saying that should imply
something. OK, look at Armstrong and
Bruegel Armstrong. We know why Armstrong is doing
this. He's thinking about his family

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and the world he wants them to live in.
Well then, what is Bruegger? Bruegger's is.
Bruegel, wow, I'm Rachel again. Wow.
It's crazy. What is Bruegel thinking?
Is is it what he's saying that II was just bored and I just want
to FS up, FS up. To some degree, I think.
She got it. OK, good.

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Yeah. Rachel was a little confused.
Think Mercer on The Walking Dead.
Yeah, that's. So I never thought I would be
transported back to my time as achild of a Country Club worker
more than I have been in the last couple weeks.
But my mother worked at a Country Club for many years when
I was a kid, several different country clubs, actually.
And bridge was a big deal. I talked about how like it was

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that old money versus new money thing.
And this just solidified the theory that Bruegel is new
money. Like the fact that he was
talking about this fast-paced living that he's like hanging
out with Warren Buffett. Like this is all like recently
successful. Like I made it big maybe in the
tech world kind of mentality andlifestyle.
And so it just solidifies for methat he is new money.

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He has like that appreciation for the arts, but it's more like
he has the appreciation for the things he thinks that he should
appreciate. That makes sense.
It's like a distorted view of what the rich look like.
Because it it would be the generalizations that that, for
instance, I have where I'm like,yeah, rich people, they eat
caviar on everything. No, they don't.
But like in my head they do. If I could afford caviar, I

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literally would eat it on everything.
But I love. It I love it.
I have champagne taste and a beer wallet but.
Fish Berry jam I. Love it, it's so good.
It's pretty good. There's like half, there's a
contingent that half likes it and half don't.
I love. It I mean I have tried it, I do
not care for it. I do like it, but selectively.
It's not something you can have all the time.

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I don't. I would.
I would if I could. If I could.
Have too much smoked salmon, youknow what I mean?
Like that? I love it too but it's like, can
I have it with every meal? Maybe.
I don't know, Dave. I can't afford it.
I've never tried. How would I know?
It's kind of a, you know what? Let's keep going.
So then what does that say aboutBrugal?
So is it that he just wants to FS up or is it more like I'm

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bored, right? I'm bored and that's what I'm
supposed to do. I'm supposed to FS up.
I just can't want to keep sayingFS up considering your analysis
is what I'm saying. OK I took the boredom portion to
mean more about the pre apocalypse situation.
There's less to be bored about later.
You are worried about living. Maybe he's bored because he
doesn't have anyone who can match his intelligence or his

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way of thinking. That would make you very lonely.
I'm talking about his men who who surround him, right?
None of them seem to be super into art or or have any kind.
At least the Dhamma. She had the Croat who had some
sensibilities and some intelligence, whereas I feel
like Bruegels is kind of just surrounded by dorks.
They're just drones. Worker bees.

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The crow that is the queen bee. I would argue that he it's
pseudo intelligence though. It's not even necessarily 100%
real because you'll notice he hebrings up the George Washington
thing again like he's like a onetrick pony, Like he's only got
his one thing that he knows about.
And I'm guessing it's, it's onlyabout the art that's in that
museum because that's what he's been able to read up on and see,

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you know, in front of him. And so that's what he has like,
depth of knowledge about. But I don't think that anything
else is true. And for all I know, the story
about Warren Buffett isn't even real.
And this is all just a tale thathe spins to make himself feel
better about his previous life. But for me, the boredom portion
of it was about, and it was in reference to the old way of
living. We got to the point where things

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weren't hard anymore. You weren't fighting each day
for survival. This is like the whole draw of
The Walking Dead universe, right?
Wasn't it mocking the people wholove The Walking Dead universe
in a We got bored. We wanted it to happen.
You wanted it to happen because you were so bored, because you
had nothing better to do. However, push comes to shove, I
don't want to live in a world where walking skin sacks are all
over the place trying to eat me.But.

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Right, Rachel, she wrote in her book, for sure.
But it's us. It's us when you're thinking
about I don't want to go to workevery day like he says that.
Like, I don't want to go to workevery day.
I don't want to do any of this stuff anymore.
I want something with more bite.Do we as a society become more
dangerous as a result? Undoubtedly.
I guess then he's a remnant thatjust can't be.

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He's like, OK, a lot like what Isaid about the Reapers is that
they just kind of wafted in the into the apocalypse like
Spectres. They're still the same.
They just continue the mission that they were signed before the
apocalypse and continue doing what they do, and they're
unstoppable. And so basically, Brugal is a
force of nature. He's an anachronism.
He's just playing the same game he played before the apocalypse.

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Maybe he's giving me con man vibes.
So I'm getting kind of this likeVictor Strand vibe from him, but
like in a cheesier way. Do you know?
Victor was like a he was like a really suave con man.
He knew what he was doing. He had been at the game for a
while. Like he had RIS undoubtedly.
I hate that I said that. He dresses like a old timey flim
flam man dandy, like the guy whowould be selling you snake oil

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medicine off the back of a wagon.
OK, I'm down. Well, hey, let's read the chat a
bit because I just saw the firmly yes, whom I've interacted
with a lot. And I have to ask one question
the firmly because hi. And first of all, second of all,
I don't even know your name. I have been struggling to get
the courage to ask your name on Twitter on XI should say.

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And when you get the chance, let's let us know.
OK, I'm going to go ahead and read, Tess said.
There are some of these unmannedtolls still in West Virginia.
It's like 1. They're close together
completely. Honor system tolls.
It's nostalgia. And then?
Tess. Also says you would kill at
bridge then Rachel because of your mad euchre skills.
But do you have the patience is the question.

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And Tess also said it throws me because parts of the past always
have carryovers, which is true 100% which is what the argument
we've always been we've been making this an entire season
from Ali says I would never I'm guessing in reference to the
caviar and Rob says better on a bagel with cream cheese.
In regards to the Nova locks my friend.

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I don't see. We say it's locks.
OK, Just, well, calm down. It's like the Insane Clown
Posse. Calm down.
Nova, please. Locks.
Thank you. I've eaten a lot of it, Dave.
I know what it's called. I've heard it both ways.
You're missing one thing. What?
Rob with a schmear. Just know it's just a way to
say. That, but sure.

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A smear is the biggest dollop and you just smear it once.
I know, Dave. No for the.
Oh, I was like Dave, like I've never.
Seen an audience that doesn't know what a Shmia is?
I just assume you're always correcting me.
Oh yeah, it's true also. Yeah, that's true.
I love doing it, he. Doesn't like it, he does enjoy.
It I do enjoy it, yeah. Yeah, it's an opportunity.

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You got to take it. It's like Bruegel.
It's an opportunity. Yeah, I'm bored.
Let's do it. So he's just playing his the
same game he's always been playing, and there's no stopping
it because what else is there todo then?
Manipulate the situation to workin your favor.
Which hey, good strategy, but also kind of annoying for our
people. I mean I like him.
Big fan honestly. Big thing, say it like.

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Say it like Kim Code slash Bruegel.
I like what you're doing. Big fan.
Tap it. Tap it.
Oh my God, Oh my God, there should be a musical.
Absolutely. Where?
Nathan Lane, for some reason I don't know why.
Yeah, it's more of like a nasal higher pitch, a tenor, if you

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will. Rachel is rolling her eyes and
sighing. You have to give the play by
play, Rachel. Let's go here then.
I'm just moving swiftly. It's like the wee thing all over
again. Wee.
No, she jumps every time. She's terrified of this, this
part of this. Me.
She's terrified of me. Where do you want to go next?
Because there's some really coolkey pieces of this episode to
hone in on. I've never written more notes,

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first of all, on an episode where there's not, I don't know,
maybe terribly much to talk about.
Agreed, not a super ton to talk about, but we say that every
time and then we end up talking forever and ever and ever and
ever. There are several moments in the
episode that I feel are worth commenting on or noting on, and

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I'm sure it will turn into more of a discussion.
I think the first thing, there are several, but I think the
first thing that I want to note is the Herschel Walker.
Everybody saw it, right? The Herschel Walker, he said.
Yes. Not the football.
Player, not the football player.I thought the same thing,
Rachel. I thought the same thing.

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Towards the end of the episode, after young Hershel takes off so
kills the bear, Hershel takes off Maggie's outside the
building sort of following him. This is after she let me think
right before she sees Negan. Like right before those doors
open. Right, she's walking in the
street. She sees the street lamp.
The very last Walker she kills looked just like her dad.

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Oh, I thought when you say the Hershel.
She even looked at him for a second.
She even looked at him for a second before she stabbed it.
Yeah, the same like striped shirt, facial, everything,
everything. He looked just like.
I'm going to, I'm going to get it pulled up.
And I know you're talking about she because she struggled with
it for a little while. Yeah, yeah.
Wait a minute. Now I'm wondering if all the
walkers she put down resembled the people whom she lost.

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I mean he was the most. The most it.
Was very blatant, yeah. Yeah, I didn't.
I guess I didn't pay attention to the ones before that and if
they resembled anybody because. What made me stop and think was
how much she kind of hesitated over it.
It took her a good few seconds to to act on it.
Like she was really like, whoa. Well, she, I felt like she took
it out quickly, but it was, it was because she did like.

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There was a whole spin around with it although.
It was like coming at her and she like pushed him up against
the the wall and like did one ofthese like under or to the side
or something, something. Then when she was finally face
to face where I noticed she was like and then she turned and the
light was flickering like like he was guiding her this way.
Damn, I'm so glad you said something.
First of all, let me just tell you something.
When you say Herschel, and we'retalking about Herschel, and

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Herschel comes in, Herschel comes in, and I was like, wait,
Herschel became a Walker right after he left?
Oh my goodness. His His namesake.
As someone who grew up watching the Florida Georgia games in the
80s, when you said Herschel Walker, it made me think of the
football player Herschel Walker.What was he doing there?
We all got confused by Rachel. It's all your fault.

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Also also Brugal. Brugals Bagels.
Great Easter egg. Also, I saw your boy Gino behind
the scenes and I'm sure that he was a lot.
And he was, he was much. He was very much involved in He
was much. Involved.
In the definitely the the bear mauling of the first soldier
that we see, the little checkouts gun where you see her,

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she's like Maggie's looking at her, she's looking back.
And then she goes, yeah, it comes in all messed up, right?
Messed up. And then of course, probably the
bear stuff, maybe, I don't know.I know he was messing with the
walkers that were chained up. That scene was another thing I
wanted to touch on, but. Touch on it.
I've got Herschel pulled up, yeah.

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OK, good. We're still, we're still talking
about Walker Herschel. I didn't notice, so I'm really
glad that you said it. No, I didn't notice it at all.
Well, it happens really quickly.I just, I have it pulled up.
I'm going to just play the clip the like. 10s, OK. 5 seconds, if
that. OK, here comes right here.
This one. Yeah, yeah, with the ponytail
and everything the. Shirt he's got.

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The yeah, don't pause it. It won't.
Let me yeah, it it really does that is.
Startling. Yeah.
The stripe shirt and the suspenders.
Yeah. OK, that is startling.
All right, I'm down. I'm down with the sickness.
I hope everybody got a chance tosee that because the luma
filtering will sometimes mess with the.
And it's so dark, everybody. 'S messing with you and charity

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currently on stream but it's fine.
So the next moment I kind of wanted to bring up was what
David had just brought up, not specifically the what.
What did what? Did the captions call her the
Guard soldier or something? Oh, the captions called her
something, Yeah. The captions had a, it wasn't a
name, but it was just like guardtower soldier or something like
that. But they carry her in and they

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lay her on the floor. Now I wanted to know if anyone
else felt the same way. And it almost doesn't even
matter because of how everythingeventually plays out.
But it seemed like Bruegel was very quick to.
Dispatch her. No, no, no, she like died and he
had to like stop her from turning that.
That's all fine. But someone else mentions I
think it was A and then he like shushes them really quickly.

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Like they knew about this dangerous bear but didn't want
their guests to know about it. I didn't take that
determination. I did it.
I don't remember his exact words.
I wish I wrote them down, but itsounded to me more like who did
this to you? Let me avenge you or something.
And then after it was, it was somebody else, one of the other
one of Bruegel's other bagels. And he was like, oh, do you

(25:47):
think it was da, da, da? And he was like, no, no, no,
this was clearly a hoard. One of the skin sex.
But he was very quick to dismissthis guy, and it sounded like
the other guy was about to say like, was it the the bear?
That we know of. That's protecting the Moat.
Well, so I don't know. Maybe so then, OK, that begs the
question, let's say that's true.What is the incentive there?

(26:10):
I guess is that why he's not worried about them leaving?
Like, oh, you're welcome to go anytime.
And if they do go exactly, we can't give you a safe pass.
Well, then, OK, But then why would he leave somebody out
there to be killed? That's another question you have
to ask if that's the case. He gave her quite the look, I
thought, when he passed her in like a. 2A No woman.

(26:35):
I was like, do you not like her?What's your beef with that girl?
Like, is she not part of your team?
And so then when he's fawning over her, I was like, when he's
like, who did this to you? Oh, you're like what I say?
So maybe that's what she said. Maybe she was like struggling to
say you. I don't know.
I thought it was he was like. But I mean, if he's a if he's a

(26:59):
flim flam man, then who knows. And so maybe just like him
liking the Dhamma style when it comes to dispatching anybody
that is used, you know, until they, your usefulness is not
relevant anymore, maybe he's just like the Dhamma.
Maybe he's willing to sacrifice his own men to make a point.
I like that you brought that up.That's interesting.

(27:20):
Yeah. And like I said, ultimately it
doesn't even matter because of how the how the bear ends up.
I will say much better than the deer.
I thought that too. I was like, oh God, how is this
going to look? It actually looked like a bear.
Yeah, and I'll tell you what, there's a reason for that.

(27:41):
They actually did a whole mocap thing that an actor had a
harness and a rig and the littleviewpoints for where the bear's
head's supposed to be. So Maggie Can, who directed this
episode? Lauren Cohen directed this
episode. I mentioned this last week.
So she was back and forth, goingback and forth between the
camera and acting. And if you look at the episode
or insider, as we were want to say, you will see a lot of her

(28:03):
process and how people were pretty impressed that she was
going back and forth between theacting and the directing and how
she did quickly get back into character.
And it's pretty impressive. But going back to the bear,
yeah, that's why mocap and everything.
And there was a significant effort to get that part right.
And let's talk about that for 100.
Not just that, but the the animation itself was a lot

(28:24):
better. Absolutely, I agree.
I do have something to say aboutthis this bear, because I feel
like the bear, I said this before we even got on stream,
but it felt really inconsequential like this bear.
And then I was like, Oh yeah, this happened in Season 1 too,
the Walker King. And that was also fairly
inconsequential as well. So it's more like this push for

(28:46):
these really big impactful special effect moments, which is
cool, but at the same time it's like, OK, but like, it doesn't
do anything. So as cool as it is, I'd rather
you just work on the writing instead.
You know, I had the same thought.
And I hate that I'm saying that because the Walker King was so
cool. But like this, this was like, I

(29:10):
don't know. I don't it's fine.
If nothing else, I feel like it allowed a moment between Maggie
and Herschel because he didn't just run off and allow her to
fend for himself herself. He saved her essentially, right?
Using the true. She.
Taught him. The sidearm throw if you

(29:32):
noticed. Meaning his way he did.
His sidearm his way and got the bear right in the eye.
If nothing else. I suppose that was the point,
right? He didn't just run off, he
stayed. He helped his mom, as mad as he
is at her, obviously. He still loves.
Her. He doesn't want her to die.
He loves her, but he's a he's, he's being a typical teenager

(29:53):
right now. Yeah, pushes her away, but at
the same time like is in shame at being discovered about the
the blood in the reservoir thing.
He inadvertently saved several lives by closing that door when
he was sneaking to put the water, the blood, into the
reservoir. He closed the door with all the
people sleeping in there and that probably saved a whole lot

(30:16):
of people from getting mauled bythe bear.
Did that scene remind you guys of the satellite station on The
Walking Dead? Because something about Herschel
Junior walking in and like goingto close the door.
At first I thought he was going to close the door behind him.
And I was like, oh, no, not this.

(30:37):
Like, not you killing people in their sleep.
And so it was kind of like a nice subversion of expectations.
Like, I kind of expected that tohappen.
He went a different, sneakier, arguably route.
It brought to mind the satellitestation for me and Glenn.
That's and Glenn's trauma that came from that, because he
really struggled with that afterwards.
And I wonder how this would havebeen had Maggie not found him

(31:00):
and stopped him, How maybe this would have affected him later.
So maybe this is this episode isa lot like learning from the
past and is the answer to why she doesn't ultimately kill
Negan in response to Armstrong. OK.
And she says this to Jenny lateron.
She says every time I tried, I couldn't, I wasn't able to,
let's put it that way. Or I got there and I couldn't.

(31:22):
You remind me of my wife and blah, blah, blah, etcetera,
etcetera. And then she said herself, it
cost me the whole ordeal cost me, you know, made me want to
leave because I couldn't hang around him anymore.
You know the reason why she leftThe Walking Dead, essentially.
Well, it cost her her family too, essentially, because now
Herschel Junior does not want tobe around her as a result of all

(31:44):
of this long burning seething and hatred.
Yeah, including Herschel. No, I can't.
I can't hear that. It's fine.
Thank God because my dog just burped very well.
Maybe I'll hear it in post. Hey Spotify folks or audio
podcast people, if you happen tohear it and I leave it in,
that'll be awesome for you. Maybe, I don't know if you like

(32:05):
hearing dog burps. I'm curious now.
I hope I hear pretty funny just to go back to the actual bear
thing for hot SEC. I agree with you though, it felt
very inconsequential. For one, I was thinking that as
well. Like why is this there?
Why is it here? It fills up quite a lot of time
too. He also took out all of
Bruegel's fighters, which I don't know if that will come in

(32:28):
to mean something later on, but.All of Bruegel's?
Oh, you mean the Walker fighting?
Walkers. Yeah, it took all of them out.
That's fair. And they had to clean it.
You saw the cleanup after that too.
Let me just add one more thing to this because I agree with
you, but at the same time, had we not talked about Brugal and
being bored? I feel like even that whole
sequence is a dig on the audience and how great things

(32:50):
are. And sometimes we need because
look, the audience is going to like this stuff because we're in
the analysis corner of the Internet.
We're looking at the deeper meaning and what does this mean?
So when we see something like this, I literally getting notes
for this episode. Skip, skip, skip, skip 10
seconds. I know what happens basically.
And the only notes I wrote on that was Herschel taking the
sidearm shot, then dipping out for Maggie to have to go after

(33:14):
him. That's it.
That's all I wrote. I said it was cool that the
blood was dripping all over Maggie.
The bear blood. That's about it though.
I thought, I hope they skin thatbear and use that meat because
holy cow, like when are you evergoing to find a pile of meat of
that quantity again? I feel like Sharon is about to
say, but bear meat tastes terrible, right?
I was just. Going to say that I I enjoyed

(33:36):
the bear I thought it was. It was something fun, even
though it may have been inconsequential, especially
since they kind of built it up acouple of episodes, says ago,
with something being in the park, you know?
And so I mean, it felt like thatwas, it was fun.
Bridges is yelling at us, going bread and circuses, bread and
circuses inconsequential. No, I mean, it was fine.

(33:57):
And actually. I really appreciate that Rachel
brought up that it did give a moment for Maggie and and
Herschel Junior to like, connectbecause then I'm willing to
relinquish that it's inconsequential.
And I'm willing to say like, OK,I can see that it serves a
purpose. There was a build up to it, but
honestly, it happened so long ago that I forgot about it.
Like that's and see, that's why it's like, OK, did you make this

(34:21):
for the people who watch it whenit's when they're binging it?
Because that would have been, you know what I mean?
Like if you watch them wrap its exemption, then you're going to
remember that. And then maybe, but that's not
how I'm watching the show. So it's like, OK, well that
happened freaking forever ago, dude.
You have to concede that that's how they've been going.
I had remembered and I've I every episode I was like, where
is the thing in the park? When are we going to see the

(34:42):
thing in the? Park.
I don't. Know where it is so yeah I I was
I I wouldn't say I was expectingthe bear but I was like when is
when is this thing in the park that they you know hinted at 2
episodes ago going to show up soI was super.
Expecting the bear? I thought it was going to be a
lion. I didn't know it was going to be
a bear. I I thought for sure it would be
a lion in there. But it's cool.

(35:03):
I'm happy with the bear. The bear.
Was cool. Anybody hoping for like a crazy
souped up Walker, that's what. I want it to be some kind of
animal, just because I thought that would be more fun.
Like I would have been cool withlike a big gorilla or something.
Like who cares? Whatever it was, it was fun.
Gorilla was actually what I thought it was when I heard the.
I liked how they made it all beat up, you know, like it it
had survived some stuff out there was I was put out.

(35:26):
But I know people are like, oh, and it got to walkers.
But I mean, there are other bears out there after 17 years.
Somewhere out there. I'm sure there are more bears in
the park because there was more than one bear in the zoo I'm I'm
assuming. I actually am surprised there's
not more animals floating aroundin Central Park, Ark.
Like it should be like the Serengeti out there.
It should be like a jungle with all the animals fending for

(35:48):
themselves. That would be totally.
If they'd be fruitful and multiply, assuming that they
have the male female pairing of the animals like Noah's Ark down
the line. Yeah.
The other issue is that the walkers are in such mass
quantities in Manhattan that like there's a lesser likelihood
of the animals surviving, unfortunately.
Yeah, seems to be the case kind of across the board, honestly.

(36:10):
When Rufus got bitten by a Walker, he died but I have the
feeling that the bear are are animals like not on all animals
are susceptible to Walker bites or.
Reference or what's Rufus? From fear of The Walking Dead
season. From fear of The Walking.
Dead. Yeah, you have to kind of
qualify 7 season 7. He dies in season 7.

(36:32):
Yeah, Dave cried. Y'all.
Josiahs but formerly what's the first guys was the first guy
Josiah? Emil.
Emil, thank you. Emil was the Laveria,
apparently. And then his evil twin.
Sorry, I mean it's. Actually breathe with me that.
Where is the episode he passes? Yes.
Great episode seven O 2 or 4. It's Moe's Moe's episode 4 I.

(36:56):
Think MO Collins's feature anyways.
Yes, so, well, I think it was more from the injuries though,
right? It was like a right I thought.
He just got no, it was. Pretty jacked up when it came
in. Yeah, he was an old dog to begin
with, too. Yeah, he wasn't like a young.
Infection gets us all. Oh, you're talking about Rufus?
I'm sorry, I'm trying to talk about the episode.
Yeah, OK. How dare you, Bridget?

(37:21):
How dare we flip back and forth without any results?
I. Have more things in limited
time. Yes, well, let's go to the chat
before we do, OK? OK, absolutely with the Shmia
says Rob says. I wonder if that was written in
the script for that to look likeher dad in reference to the
Herschel Walker or if Lauren hadthat out in as director for this

(37:43):
episode, which either way is cool.
I'm surprised it wasn't in the episode or Insider honestly.
I am too. He saw it too, right?
No, I don't. I don't watch that anyway, Rob
said he just noticed the cocaineoptional tag under Sharon D's
name and then roasted Stuffed bladder G. 9.

(38:06):
Just kidding. Boot.
Prox boot prox done online. I have to read it like that, I
don't know why. How it sounds and then Rob says
kind of wonder how the bear got out of the enclosure from the
Central Park Zoo or any animal for that matter which is really
why I'm it's believable to me that there would not be more
animals because. They would have died in their

(38:29):
cells. They would have died in the
enclosures. Most likely.
Most likely. And then Tess says I got to run.
Have a good night. Glad I jumped in.
Bye, Tess. Unless you have somebody like.
Bye, Tess. Ezekiel went through and let all
the animals out so that they wouldn't starve to death in
their in their enclosures, whichis horrible.

(38:50):
It is horrible, but if that person died first then there was
no one to do it. Man, I think of all the people
in the prisons and stuff like that, they couldn't get out or
something to that effect. Well, you know what people
earned their way into their not all of them, but yes, some
people earned their way in there.
Animals didn't do anything to bein those cages other than be
animals. That's the only reason they're
in that cage. Yeah, they're born.

(39:13):
They're. Asking.
They're destiny, yeah. Yes.
I don't believe that at all. I don't either, so how about
that? Wow.
Just being there all. Right, Rachel, what do you got?
Character. I have 3 three more things. 03
more things OK? 1.
The Glen shaped. Hole.
That is in Maggie and Herschel'slife.

(39:34):
I wrote new Egan sized hole in. The middle of everything.
No, if anything, Negan is like the elephant in the room.
What's leaving a hole is Glen. Just saying, even even Herschel
saw it. I was like, yeah, you were.
Going to say that, I knew you were going to say that.
I knew you were going to say that.
As soon as he's like giving thatwhole don't lie to me speech, I

(39:57):
was like, oh God, Sharon, he's going to take off with this one.
In reference to her hashtag #hate.
Bang, this is what I was going to bring up actually, because
people were talking about this. There is a contingent of #negies
that have said this was the moment that Herschel was telling
but not telling Maggie that it'sbecause of Negan.

(40:17):
It's because you love Negan. We should talk about this.
And I wonder, Sharon? Do we really need to waste our
breath on that? I never said anything about them
being in love, ever. Ever have I said that?
I don't know. I said hate bang.
There is a difference. First of all, Rachel's really
upset at me for bringing this up.
I'm somewhat joking in that area.
I don't believe that at all is what Herschel was talking about.

(40:40):
That is just me joking. The fact remains that she is
obsessed with Negan. I.
Mean there is there is the she'sobsessed with the idea of of him
in some way. It's either him dying or now
she's obsessed with saving him. But she has been obsessed with
Negan for years. It's not love.

(41:02):
I'm joking guys. They, they, they have great
chemistry. OK, but she gives way more
attention to Negan than she doesto Herschel.
I agree. She even admits as much to Jenny
right when when her engineer having that conversation and she
talks about being afraid, she's like, I've had opportunities to
kill him. I've been I've wanted this for
so long. And then she admits if I kill

(41:23):
him. David, you touched on this
recently. If she kills him, then what?
Hey, who do you become? Who, who are you?
If you don't have this, if you don't have this vendetta against
this person, who are you? And I like what you've said
before. Who do I have to blame when
things go wrong? I think that is a huge part of

(41:45):
why she's so obsessed with Negan.
It's easy for her to blame him for everything right now.
And if he's dead, if he's gone, she has to face the fact that
it's her, all of her bad decisions, everything that's
happened as a result of her bad decisions.
Good cleanup. Yeah.
Because, yeah, it's not all her.And Negan says as much.
It's not your fault. Everything that's happened to

(42:07):
Herschel, what's Herschel become?
That's not that's not on you. That's just life and you're and
well, This is why you hate her, because she puts it all in
herself. Yes, because she learns from the
best. Anyway, I wanted to go back to
that because just to clean that up a little bit, there is a
little bit of explanation or mansplenation that needs to
happen in this scenario because both Herschel and Maggie knows

(42:30):
why she protects Negan and only those two.
Well, from our protagonist, quote UN quote perspective,
Armstrong doesn't know the answer why Maggie spares Negan.
Take note of that why she does not trust Armstrong 100%.
Maybe she will at some point, but she does not.
And he she does not answer him why?

(42:51):
Because she's not sure that anything he gives her will not
go back to New Babylon. And it'll be just another thing
they can use to take advantage of Negan or at least Armstrong.
Because again, Armstrong was purported to have killed Megan,
and that news never got back to New Babylon Federation, which is
why we leave off at the end of the episode, Brugal taking

(43:11):
advantage of that fact. Hey, they're not going to like
it if I tell them that a Negan killer, the Negan Slayer, is
still alive anyway. So going back to that, that's
important because when they talkabout it to sorry #meggie folks,
not you, Sharon, because I, you and me are on the same camp.
It's fun to kind of make fun of people who get upset about it.
But anyway. Her perspective is not what

(43:33):
they're saying it's. Yeah, her their perspective
because he was there. No, I mean I meant.
Sharon D Sharon D's not in the Yeah, she's in the making fun.
Never I'm. In the I'm in the Meggie camp,
to the extent that I think that's funny.
It's funny though, just. Like making me mad.
It's. Funny to get people worked up
about it. Yeah, yeah, well, also it's.

(43:55):
Apparently even when it's your best friend, so thanks.
That's cheap when it's my best friend.
It's disgusting. I can't even tell like.
She gets so like, and rather than getting mad at charity, she
gets mad at me. Do you just realize that?
I get so mad. Like do we?
Do we really have to waste our breath on this?

(44:16):
Do we David? Do we do charity?
Is the negative she ever run it up I'm.
So mad I get. So let me continue.
Like I said, like I. Said I, I didn't, I didn't
finish what I was saying though.But let me, let me, let me
finish that part. Because when they're having that
conversation, both Hershel and Maggie are aware of this fact
that Joshua and Annie are a realthing.
We knew that from The Walking Dead.

(44:37):
It's transported to here. That's why she's sparing him.
Keeping that in mind, Herschel'smad because who cares?
Herschel is a kid. And this is more of a question.
That is a statement. Do you think he, Herschel, gets
so worked up? Because it's like, you're not
responsible over Annie and Joshua effectively for keeping
their husband, their husband slash father alive, right?
It's not on you. Is that what Herschel's saying

(44:58):
when he gets so pissed off at Maggie?
No. Like why do you care?
Why do you care? Does.
Her even know Annie and Joshua exist.
Yes, I just said that from The Walking Dead.
She got introduced in the tower episode.
I thought the anger was directedat the fact that it's like
Maggie can't admit that she's let Negan become the center of

(45:20):
everything that she does. And that's what that stop lying
thing is about because she goes from wanting him dead to not
wanting him dead, to wanting himdead again, to not wanting him
dead. And it says back and forth and
Herschel's like, just admit it. Just admit that he is everything
you think about. And you don't think about me,
your kid. You just think about this guy

(45:41):
and that's it. And not in a romantic way.
Not enough. I want to bone you kind of way
or whatever, but just in the like, I can't stop thinking
about this guy because he ruinedmy whole life.
And Rob made an excellent point in the comments.
I'm going to read it right now. I think deep down Maggie has
forgiven Negan, but she can't forgive herself for doing so
because it feels like she's betrayed Glenn by doing that.

(46:02):
Oh, perfect, Rob. Oh, that hit me right in the
guts, Rob. I love that though.
That's such a great perspective.It really is.
Forgiving, but not forgiving herself.
Yeah, like she's forgiven Negan,but she can't forgive herself
for forgiving Negan because to her, that ruins Glenn's memory.
Which is very ironic, right? Because exactly everything we

(46:25):
know about Glenn, he would have eventually forgiven Negan too.
Especially seeing his his arc where he is now.
Glenn would have forgiven him aswell.
Well, and where he is now is theafterlife and he's like, yeah,
whatever, Maggie, just move on. Please, for my sake, please move
on. That's why I wrote Negan my
notes. By the way, the Negan sized hole
is the center of her. OK, Negan's the elephant, Glenn

(46:48):
is the hole. Anyway, did anyone?
They don't quite fit. No, it's like Square, did anyone
else, when Negan hears this, thescratching on the door, right?
And he's like, oh, my gosh. And he finds this door and he,
like, goes. I fully expected him to find
Annie and Joshua in there. Like, they had been there the
whole time and they were just OK.

(47:10):
Yeah. And they were just walkers.
No. No, just had been there in
prison. Yeah, I.
Thought that too. I didn't think that.
I didn't know what to expect to be honest.
I didn't think that far. I was very glad.
That's cool. Mr. Pierce.
Mr. Pierce. Unrespectable.
Insane Clown Posse. Mr. Pierce.
OK, wait, what's your last point?

(47:31):
I want to know before you leave it.
Was something charity brought upbefore we started it was Negan's
comment about history. Were the old times really good
or do we just remember them thatway?
Oh, that was. A Oh yeah, that's going to be a
that's going to be a conversation.
I that was the most profound line.
Any dovetails to the talking to Pierce about history.
Good flow on the conversation. Nice.

(47:54):
And so apparently he's been thinking about this since Pierce
parted up. You know when they as they go
back. Everyone's life, Everything,
every memory. We all, we all feel that way.
Every memory. We have.
Is that how it happened or do I choose to remember it that way?
Or am I only choosing to remember at the times where we
had a semblance of peace? And we all do that, right?

(48:14):
Yeah. Yes, yes, Graduation goggles,
right? Yes, yes, yeah.
I was thinking more relationshipgoggles.
Well, all of the above really. It's any point, It's any point
where you're moving on, you lookback on it with fondness or
longing because now that time has passed.
It's like human nature for us todo that.
But it's also, I want to just state, it's also a psychological

(48:38):
defense mechanism that your brain has built to ensure that
you do not feel a heartache and trauma every time you think of
something from the past. Because how are you going to
move on? It's your survival mechanism,
right? So it's just your brain's way of
saying like, hey, it's OK to move on.
You can remember this fondly andmove on.
Well, and that's irony for Maggie.
In a sense. You have all these lovely

(48:59):
memories you can recall and it be just let them be, right?
Let them be. Let them be a thing of light in
your life that you can remember fondly, even though, yes,
there's a darkness that there's at the tail end of it.
But if you if you purported to forgive the man who killed your
husband, then you can. You're allowed to look at those
memories fondly. Can it be OK?
Be OK with letting it be. Keep thinking of The Last of Us,

(49:21):
by the way, and how prescient. Be OK with going home and not
getting the revenge you wanted. I think Herschel could do with
the session with Catherine O'Hara.
Since he brought up the last A asession a.
Session I. Mean at least one.
At least one boy needs to. Be fair, he's just.
Being a teenager, honestly, yeah.
He's just, he also needs a smackin the rope.

(49:43):
That's fine. OK guys, I love you.
It's love you. Love you.
Goodnight. I'm upset that you're leaving,
by the way. I love you.
Noted. Bye.
See you. Have a good night.
Good night next week night. Bye, bye, Bridget said.
He's acting just like a teenager.
And I was like, yeah, not only he's a teenager, but he's a

(50:03):
teenager in a world that is not like a normal teenager world.
You know what I mean? Like.
Sure, in. Today's society, teenagers have
leeway, you know, and, and, and he just doesn't have any of
that. There's no, there's no security
net for him. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yeah.
It's kind of, I don't remember the context in which I mentioned

(50:23):
this, but I remember talking about, well, what is teenage
life or what is being a young person but getting a pass for
all the dumb things you do untilyou reach the age of number
where you automatically become an adult and now you're
responsible over the things thatyou do.
That's you're supposed to kind of get all that out of you.
Yes, that's, that's what I mean.Yeah, exactly.
Which is fine. I we can be OK with that.

(50:46):
But at the same time, it's like,yeah, give them a chance to kind
of a little wiggle room to kind of get things a little bit wrong
so that they can hopefully suddenly realize that now they
are responsible for their actions.
And you don't have that leeway as Herschel.
Just getting back to the point. And yeah, I mean, how hard is
that for Herschel? Like to have your mom hovering
over you this whole time, makingsure you do everything right.

(51:06):
Which is why when she stops him with the blood thing, that the
kind of call back to Glenn and the satellite station in a
sense, she's like, put that, putthat canteen down right now, put
it down. And she's like, you're right.
But damn it, I want to do it andI want to murder.
Please let me murder. He's also a teenager and that's
why he came up with such a terrible plan.

(51:27):
Well, let's talk about that for a minute, because I'm not saying
it's a, it's a good plan as a thing to do, just saying I
wouldn't do it. But I don't know.
What do you think Herschel was? Why did he, why was he going to
do that? Because he says it's a win win.
He sort of says it's a win win if I do this.

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Negan stays alive as per your desires.
He has a kid and and a wife. You want him to live so he he's
not another person who gets to lose their whole family.
Another father lists family. Good fun.
Then I get to be with the Dhamma.
Well, that's really that's see, it's ludicrous that he makes
mention of Negan and is like, well, this is what you wanted.

(52:11):
No, she didn't want that. You're just trying to do what
you want to do, to be with this creepy old lady who's dead now,
by the way. And in order to do that, you're
like twisting it and manipulating your mom by saying
like, well, this is what you wanted.
It's classic teenage behavior, honestly.
So classic. I've probably used this get this

(52:33):
whole game myself, you know whatI mean?
Did it from watching you. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
I'm. Not checking.
You're a Turkey. Yeah, it's hard.
But wait, wait, wait. You even said it in this
episode. I think it was you.
He does care about his mom. He does come in with a clinch
with the sidearm throw and saveshis mom.
OK, fine, fine. But you you acknowledge it too.
It's like he doesn't want her todie.

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He loves her, he does love her. Maybe there's some truth in
that. Even when your parent is a total
scumbag, you still love them deep down to some level, right?
Like they're your parent. Like you have some fondness for
them or some memory or like 1 memory of a good time with them
maybe, or you have like Stockholm syndrome or something.
But I don't know. He does love her deep down he

(53:17):
does. But he's very much just playing
up this whole, well, I want, come on, you just don't
understand. I just want to do what I want to
do. Yeah, exactly.
Emo child. All of a sudden he's listening
to Hawthorne Heights, wanting a little.
Is a lot different than wanting to your mother to die.
Like, I don't want you to die, Ijust want you to back off me for
a little bit and let me do my thing.

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And she is a helicopter, I'll give him that.
Let me add something that something I often say and often
forget that I say is that two things can be true and that is
AI love you mom but BI blame youfor everything wrong that's gone
in my life. Isn't that tragic to think about
for a hot SEC to really dwell onis that you are the cause of and

(53:58):
solution to all of my problems. Solution meaning you stop me
from getting into too much trouble or you keep me safe blah
blah blah. But also you're the cause of all
the terrible things in my life because you refuse to exit this
event horizon of this black hole.
That is, I'm going to say Negan.You say Glenn, but it's really
Negan's the one walking around doing stuff.
So I mean, and I sorry, as I saythis, I do think of you,

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Bridget, because of all the things you said about your mom,
like you love her to death. But at the same time you
mentioned that, you know, she's kind of like the cause of some
of the issues that you have thatyou've had cyclical melodrama
and all that stuff. And how does that duality?
Predominantly it was my dad. Now I speak very fondly of my
father because we reconciled before his passing.
But you have to remember I spent11 years intentionally not

(54:45):
talking to the man as a like a from the age of 16 or 17 on into
my 20s. I did not speak to him because
of how angry I was at him. You know, it's nature versus
nurture. There's a lot to be said for
both, right? And there's some disagreement in
the psychology world as to whichone is more influential.
That is currently the that's currently the the thing, but

(55:08):
it's like it's like about eggs or not wearing bras like they're
going to flip flop about it. It's like eggs are good for you.
No, they're bad for you. No, they're good for you.
No, they're bad for you. You should wear a bra because it
it helps you. And if you don't wear a bra,
then the muscles can stay taut. She didn't like the bra talk
anyway. She already exited the stream by

(55:28):
the way. That's that's what that amounted
to. So.
You know, it's it's nurture. Damn it.
I'm leaving. Yeah.
It's like, no, it's just. The thing is, is like, I think
that they'll go back and forth on this probably till the end of
time just because that's how these things go.
That's fine, Dave. Whatever you want to say out
loud is fine. I don't care.

(55:50):
Nobody does. It's fine.
It's. What I'm saying is your parents
and the genetics that your parents bring into things do
ultimately make you who you are.Now, I am a changed person from
when I was a child, obviously, but there are some things that
told ultimately will never be altered about me, about my
personality. I'm not a big fan of personality
tests, but I have taken a very well researched one called

(56:12):
Clifton Strengths. I've talked about it before.
It's like a business fool thing.And that one I was informed
after because I took it in my 20s.
And when I was taking it again, the guy was like, well, you
could just use your results fromthem.
And I'm like, I don't have access to that.
And even if even if I did, dude,I'm I'm in my 30s and I've died
like and been through a domesticviolence situation.
You don't think I'm a different person now?

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And he goes, no, actually traumais proven not to affect these
results. So you are who you are
ultimately. So I was right.
You just want to say I'm right, it's fine.
Dave, I'm trying to make a pointhere, and he just wants me to
say he's right. This guy.
Fine, Dave, you're right. Oh, my God.
Can I move on now? Yeah.
This guy over here? Yeah.

(56:55):
Ultimately, your parents make you who you are in one, in one
facet or another. You know, the way you talk, your
mannerisms, all of that stuff comes from being around people.
And then also your genetics helpto form who you are.
Ultimately, when it comes down to is I love both of my parents.
I love my dad very much. He was not a great guy.

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He was actually really, I'm going to just say it, he was a
shit. Bag.
He's a dirtbag. Jeez, Sorry.
It wasn't strong enough. He was not a good guy.
Now, he was flawed and he had regrets about those flaws.
And so that's ultimately why I was able to forgive him.
And same thing with my mom, right?
Like, my mom is not a perfect person.
I love her dearly. I do not blame her for anything

(57:37):
that's happened in my life. Now we're talking teenage
Bridget. We're comparing teenage Bridget
to teenage Herschel Junior 100%.I was probably just as bad as
this kid. Oh.
OK, like. I blamed.
My family probably for everything, I was ungrateful for
every aspect of my life, I was absolutely miserable.
So that's why like when he does this stuff, I'm like, dude, this

(57:59):
is classic teenage behavior. But you know what?
This is even more so, Dave, now that we're talking about this,
this. Is classic.
Teenage behavior of a teenager who's grown up without one of
their parents. OK.
I'm going to go ahead and say itbecause my experience was unique
to the fact that my dad was not present, OK?
And when I say unique, I don't mean like it's unique.
It's not. Millions of people are living

(58:21):
the same life right now. It's like a feature of.
It's it's a unique feature of not having both parents present
in your house can result in different things.
I'm not saying that I'm worse off because of it.
I don't agree with that. I think being an abuse actively
as a young girl probably would have been worse for me.
I say so because he exited. OK.

(58:42):
This actually will bring us to the episode because he exited
the situation. Yes, it may have been better.
Might have been worse. Maybe I don't know because I
don't, I don't get to see the other side.
But what I will say is that thisanger towards his mother
resembles very strongly the typeof anger that I had towards my
own mother and my father as a child who grew up with only one

(59:03):
parent present. That's why I'm willing to write
off so much of this is like he'sjust being a teenager because
that's how I have to reconcile how I behaved because, and
therapists have told me this, the amount of responsibility
that I had from a young age was unacceptable.
And look at Herschel. How much responsibility has he
been given at such a young age? And that type of responsibility

(59:25):
for young children is unacceptable and inappropriate.
Now you're living in the post apocalyptic world, so it's not
an option. We've made the argument that
these children need to be ready,that you're doing them a
disservice if you're letting them be kids.
Quote, UN quote. Yeah, and what a Faustian
bargain that is. It's like you want to make it so
that they can just be kids. Wouldn't any parent want that?

(59:48):
But I I get the argument that like, well, no, no, maybe you
can do that, but maybe only if you train them to do the things.
Now, isn't Herschel one of thosepeople?
He's trained, he knows how to dothings.
He's obviously been but. It's the opposite side of that,
isn't it? Herschel has been overly
helicoptered, he's been protected to the Max and yet he

(01:00:08):
knows all the things and he's never had a really normal life.
So how can you reconcile those two things?
Like you're telling me I'm fullycapable of protecting myself,
but then you won't let me even try?
Right, exactly. And look, the end of the
argument is there's no good answer.
Honestly, there really isn't. You can, you can say that you
can protect your kid all you want.
You give them all the tools thatthey need or whatever that it's

(01:00:30):
not. That's the.
Thing I can't fault her for it. Like I watch it and I'm like,
oh, you should probably give himsome space.
That's me being like logical, like Oh, well, he's probably
going to act out if you don't give him enough space.
But as a woman who desperately wants to have children, I can
only imagine you have one baby. You're going to protect him with

(01:00:51):
everything you have. Everyone else, everyone else.
And I'm sorry because I went offon a very long tangent.
But all this to go back to Maggie and her.
On my own parental relationships.
It's fair because I mean, at theat the end of the day, at the
end of the road, this all the all of this is really to say
that it's an impossible situation.
And there's the Negan thing hanging around being like an

(01:01:13):
albatross on both their backs because, and maybe even Herschel
himself is not understanding that, like Maggie using Negan as
a sort of cover for all the bad things that have ever happened.
Like, oh, it's that guy, you know, it's that's she doesn't
have to face herself. Well, isn't then Herschel sort
of the same way? He's using his mom as the
excuse. Yeah, I agree.

(01:01:35):
I agree that's the case. And I think it's really
interesting to see in that moment in that conversation
where he's telling her like, stop lying.
And and people I think really misinterpreted that because,
well, they hear, they hear what they want to hear.
But also like media literacy, I think that Buffy the Vampire
Slayer might. Be the vampire.
Slayer be the Vampire Slayer, soyou're supposed to say.

(01:01:57):
It but anyway, so you need me tolist.
Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe because I didn't see because I
didn't see the Herschel Walker. Which one?
Wait, Herschel was the Walker? I know I was.
I was with you, Dave. I, you and I were on the same.
We were on the same wavelength. I was like, dude, what are you

(01:02:17):
talking about? What are you talking about?
Herschel's a Walker. Anyway, go ahead.
And then I was like, oh God, this is going to be a racist
thing so. Who's the football player?
Sure. Anyway, moving on.
So he's talking to her about this.
Like stop lying to me. And I think it's two things at
the same time. Like I think he's mad at his mom

(01:02:38):
for letting Negan eat up so muchof her attention.
I think he's also mad at her fornow, giving up this thing that
she's believed in for so many years and what he would argue
ruined his life was her focus onhatred of Negan.
Now she's kind of flipping the script on this and saying like,
well, he's changed, He's changed.
He's a different guy now. He's changed.

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He's a different guy now. He has people in his life that
don't. They're innocent.
They don't deserve having a father take it away from him.
I'm not going to descend to his level.
I think Herschel feels like two ways at the same time, like he's
like, give it up, let this guy go.
And at the same time he's like, and now you've wasted my entire
life threatening to kill him andyou won't even do it now.
Let's be more specific. Not it's not just give it up and

(01:03:20):
let him go. It's give it up and let him fend
for himself. You don't.
It's one thing to let him live. It's another thing to take.
It's like the scorpion metaphor,right?
The scorpion takes a ride from a, I'm going to say turtle.
I don't remember the exact. The animal.
Maybe it was a tiger. Maybe it's the frog.
Yeah. Scorpion the frog.
That's right. You're right.
You're right. Well, actually, it's a different
metaphor. I'm sorry.
It's more of the when you save someone's life, they're bound to

(01:03:42):
you forever. Which you can say about Maggie
and Negan. That's fine.
Sure. When you spare someone's life
and Maggie spares Negan's life so he's bound to her forever,
you can say that. Technically he spared hers
first. Just saying.
Yeah, I guess so, but indirectly.
Anyway, the point is, Herschel'sbasically saying to her, just
because you spared his life and he happened to live with the

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Croad, they didn't know what plans they had for him.
They didn't know they were goingto use him as the Domas
machinations, whatever. It doesn't mean that you have to
save his life every time he's introuble.
Fairpoint. Fairpoint.
You don't owe Annie and Joshua anything.
You don't owe Negan anything. That's what I'm saying.
Gave him his life. I think it's interesting that he
can feel more than one way aboutit because we can all feel one

(01:04:26):
more than one way about. It's the same way that we feel
about Negan. I don't agree what he with what
he did in we're talking season 7Walking Dead episode one.
We all know the episode. We all know it the.
Day will come when he won't be. If Rachel was here, she'd be mad
at you. I don't forgive him for what he
did, but I cannot disagree that he is a different person.

(01:04:48):
He's not that guy anymore and I know he'll say like, given the
chance, I would do it all over the same way or except this time
I would kill all of you. Which is also a long time ago.
It was a couple of years ago at this point.
I know which, but that's Josh Didn't look old enough.
Based on the timeline that ScottGibble has, we.
Can talk about that, but I thinkhe was saying that also, if I

(01:05:08):
was the same me that I was several years ago, yeah, sure, I
would have knowing what I know now, but I'm not the same me.
Therefore, this is just a hypothetical.
Fine. And for him to ask advice of
Maggie now, like he is truly a changed man Truly.
Of yes, of course, 100%. But yeah, maybe the more I talk

(01:05:30):
about this, the more I am thinking that is the apartment
metaphor is when you save someone's life, you are bound to
them. And maybe that's why he feels
that nobody understands what I'mgoing through more than you are
at this moment. Because my family's life is in
danger. I you get what I get.
In Season 1, it was Herschel's life that was in danger.
He was captured. And of course, you understand
what I'm feeling right now. Who better to understand me than

(01:05:51):
you? And who better to understand me
based on history, based on a person you happen to know for
all this time, which is a rare thing in this universe, by the
way. Yeah, Bricks.
They had that one lady who we don't see again, who was in the
first season. I forget her name.
It started with an N Nora, and it doesn't matter.
But she wasn't in the second season.
Why? Well, Maggie's not supposed to
know people for a long enough time to get to know them, I

(01:06:13):
guess. Or something.
No, but I really wanted to bang on because that really goes to
Negan and his forgiveness hole or his the hole in his life
because the decision he makes atthe end of the episode to not
see his kids. He's been thinking a lot about
history and how I can keep making excuses for the man I
used to be. But the fact remains is the
craw. The craw is a byproduct.

(01:06:35):
Everything that has existed pastthe old me, let's just say old
me quote, UN quote, is a byproduct of who I've been.
It's true of everyone though. Yeah, but but most of us have
the luxury midlife crisis. Yeah.
Well, I think a lot of this comes back to the conversation
that he has with the crow at which?
Which he is remorseful about when he says it.

(01:06:57):
There's a fight, essentially, yeah, where he says, like, the
only reason you are where you are today is because of me,
which, what, as much as I'm likeNegan's a changed man, this is a
very narcissistic thing to say. To be fair, the Crow has a much
as much self-awareness to say you're right.
Yes. I don't love it.
I don't love it. It made me uncomfortable.
I didn't like it. But why did he say it?

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Why didn't Egan say it? Because he's been dwelling on
this for the longest. He's been in captivity for a
year thinking about how this manis me.
He had no identity. It was erased.
His this is one thing that we have to remind the whole
audience about is this Krutz origin story is his life ended
when his family was killed and he was an empty vessel and Negan

(01:07:39):
filled it with the saviorism. And then he is his brother.
He's his twin brother, Negan andBuddha, as you know, that whole
thing, I'm not going to do the impression he existed until
Negan gave him life. Frankenstein's monster, right?
That whole thing, if you think about it that way.
So he's taking that all. Look who's starting to take
things on himself now. He's caught the Maggie virus and

(01:07:59):
the Rick virus. But I felt like the way that
Negan presented it was it came out of anger, him saying that
like he's. Angry at though.
Well, he's angry, but I in that moment he's angry at the Croat
because he's like, you would discover.
I know that's not truly what it is.
Dave, come on, don't be like. He knows that too, though.
Give me a second. Give me a second give.

(01:08:22):
Me a second, all right. It comes out as anger.
And then there's that realization in the moment, like
we're saying I'm saying it, I'm super angry, you are nothing
without me. And then when the Kroat says
you're right, I am who I am because of you, all the sudden
it's like all the anger is drained and then there's just

(01:08:43):
regret left where he's realizingyou have killed all of these
people, you've done all of this horrible stuff, you've killed
kids. Because I made you this way.
I helped form you into this person and then I set you out
into the world. Oh my God, Bridget.
Bridget, want to hear something?Aren't you glad we talked about

(01:09:04):
nature versus nurture? I'll get to it.
You would. Disagree with what I just said
based on that. Conversation.
No, I wouldn't because the end of the road.
The final thought on this whole conundrum.
Negan, of course, is taking thison himself.
He's saying this very sad to to the Croat.
There's a sadness to him yellingat at the Croat because he's
really yelling at himself. We all agree with that.

(01:09:26):
He's really yelling at himself. I made you this way and I'm
remorseful about it and yelling at you enough so that you can
leave and live your own life like we talked about just a few
seconds ago. I want you to have a life.
That's why I did the savior thing like.
A Harry and the Hendersons moment all over.
Again, exactly as you explained to me years ago.
Years ago, yes, he's throwing a rock.
He's throwing a. Rock yelling.

(01:09:47):
Go on, get out of here. We don't love you anymore.
It was really just literally just last year I think during
House of the Dragon. I don't know.
I've talked about it a lot in mylife, so.
This is this is what he's doing.He's he's throwing the rocks of
the the croc can just leave and not be him and be find himself
because for the longest time your identity was stolen or was

(01:10:08):
borrowed from what I projected my image that I projected
because it is an image. It's not even him.
Negan is not even him. The Negan that we used to know
was not even who Negan really was.
He. Projected an.
Image episode at the end of season 10.
Yes, well, here's Negan is the episode.
Wait, there's more? Because glad you brought up

(01:10:29):
nature versus nurture because, well, yes, the it's not really
him. I projected an image of myself.
That's fine, but the Croat killing kids wasn't Negan.
No. That was nature.
That was him tapping into something that was always there.
You know, often people don't have the opportunity to access
that part of themselves. But if it was always there and

(01:10:51):
the environmental conditions make it possible that you can
tap into that part of you that was innately there, well, then
that was always the Croat, wasn't it?
And how is Negan supposed to know?
Negan right now is blaming himself for everything that
Croat became correct. He's not supposed to know that.
But we as the omniscient observer can always see the two

(01:11:11):
sides of it. Well, Negan's OK.
Hold on a second, Negan, you, you're really taking it on
yourself because there is a lovethere.
He why do you think he brought the kraut in?
He heard his story. He wiped off his tears and his
blood and gave him a life and and a home and treated him like
brother. There's like, yeah, there is
like a genuine kinship with eachother.

(01:11:31):
He does want him to be like, OK,he doesn't.
He didn't plan on killing him. He could have easily had
switched it, that the Damo wouldhave taken out the Croat.
But he knows that the Croat he has companionship with, to some
degree, one that can translate to control.
Because he knows. I was your hero.
I was your guy. True.

(01:11:52):
But also to some degree he wantsthe Croat to go and and live the
life that he wants. Yeah, especially after hearing
what he said he wanted. Yeah, sure.
Rob says Maggie just needs to find a working MCR CD, My
Chemical Romance for those who don't know, and give it to him
to listen to in his room and he'll be just fine.
And he will. No, that's I'm not OK Trust.

(01:12:15):
Me. OK, I'm confusing it with the
What is that band called just fine pretending I'm not.
Is that a Uber? Stake.
No, no, no, no. I'll be just fine pretending I'm
not. Oh, the used.

(01:12:36):
That's the use, yeah. Thank you.
Wow, wow. I was whiny enough to so you get
it. It was too whiny.
It was too whiny. I couldn't get it.
Well, that's, you know, you haveto exaggerate a little bit for.
I feel like a failed elder emo right now.
Anyway, Rob says, turning away his wife and kid.
Hurt to watch. Also, I wanted to see them
interact, although I'm willing to bet that they will by

(01:12:56):
season's end. I don't know.
And I couldn't even. We got such a far away pan shot
that I was like, is that even the actress who played Annie?
I would really like to know. I feel like it might be.
And honestly, OK, they saved a little money because just so you
know how the industry works. Oh, here we go.

(01:13:17):
Let me just get Sharon back in to the fold.
I fully expect the Internet to go out again, so just just
expect it. It's storming.
So it's it's most likely that I'm going to lose signal again.
OK. OK, all right, so I was just
explaining background actors. They're actors who can't, who
don't talk and are just there inthe background.

(01:13:37):
A feature background actor is anactor that can talk.
So they get paid a little bit more, they do a little acting,
whatever. It's kind of like Victor, except
he was he had an actual role. He had an actual speaking role.
He was a guest actor, guest star, let's say.
So I can see them saving money on this episode.
But to Rob's point, I will say it would it seems like a waste
to bring Medina Signor if not tohave a couple more scenes of her

(01:14:01):
to be in. And I had the same feeling as
Rob. I think if that's Negan's wife,
Annie Smith, I can see a world in which she comes in and says,
Nah, you don't tell me to go back to Tennessee after coming
all this goddamn way. Excuse me, Sir.
Excuse me? Spotted my French.

(01:14:22):
Excuse the hell. Oh my goddamn French.
And then Rachel laughs like this.
Anyway, sorry. OK, there we go.
So Rob's last comment is I thinkwhat tickled Dave, and I'm just
going to, I'm going to sing it now.
You just didn't Negan that I used to know.

(01:14:44):
Somebody. No, I'm supposed to say it.
You keep doing. I used to know how you can say
it and she's given up already. It's fine.
But once was a jewelry. I say, see, I got to do the
Kimber part. I can't do that.
I can't do the Gautier part. Somebody that I used to know.

(01:15:04):
OK, Anyway, let's keep going. You didn't.
Have to kill my husband. You didn't have to kill me.
Make a. Spin off on another show.
Oh. That's good because it would
rhyme. That's really good.
Exactly. I love it, I love it.

(01:15:27):
Hey, Negan, who's the hell? Nobody else.
Take that copyright. You're just some Negan that I
used to know anyway. So OK, let's go to the decision
for Negan to leave Annie behind.OK, so.
Why does he do it? I know there was a whole scene
before where he, like, had accountability for everything
that he'd done, which I thought was really awesome.

(01:15:48):
He is also taking accountabilityto the fact that now he is the
leader of this group and he doesn't want them there, A,
because it's dangerous for them,and B, because I don't think he
wants them to see the kind of person that he's going to be
leading this because he feels responsible for the group and he
wants to be. There.
Why doesn't he get there? Maybe, OK, so maybe he feels

(01:16:08):
like this is a second chance to be a leader and maybe he can do
it differently this time, especially after the whole
accountability conversation he had earlier.
But it's still dangerous for Annie and Joshua to be there
just because it's he has a target on his back and they are
in that target, you know, they're they're prime material
for hurting him. So if he sends them back where

(01:16:30):
they're anonymous, nobody knows who they are.
They just go back to their life.He can run this group.
Maybe he won't kill somebody outof every group that they come
across. You know, maybe he feels like he
can do it different. But he I think he doesn't feel
like he can do anything with them there.
They will tie his hands. They will stifle what he can do
because he'll be worried about them constantly.
They'll be like Maggie has Neganto constantly keep her going.

(01:16:54):
They'll be there to cough for him to constantly worry about.
Well, do you remember what we said about Maggie and how she
always started these settlements?
And then she said F it will do, just stay on the road and then
she winds up in the bricks. But she always, she's always
trying to do this over and over again and never works.
Well, now Negan is starting to, on top of him taking on the
burden of responsibility for theCroat.

(01:17:14):
Let's just start there. But probably everything else,
kind of like what he was saying to Pierce.
I've always been thinking this way.
Everything that's happened sincethat's my fault and maybe the
people were just scared of me. That's the reason why everybody
fell in line, because I'm the person they're most scared of,
not I. Immediately thought Cherry and
the women that he had and the sanctuary and that, you know, he

(01:17:35):
was saving. Oh, that's a good response to
that, sure. In reality, they needed saving
from him. He was the guy that was doing
all the damage. So I mean, that was who I
thought of immediately when he said that.
But it also applies to Annie andJoshua.
It's great. I didn't even think about that.
So wait, so, but let's identify the targets too, or the people
that are after Negan now, because we have it on two sides,

(01:17:55):
OK, First it was the Dhamma and the Dhamma had his wife and
child hostage, Fine. And so he had to do, he was
forced to be strung along, kind of like Pearly is right now,
with or without you. I'm still going to go after the
methane, Brugal says, or I'm still going to be, whatever,
still going to do slaughter all these people, Negan included,
and get the methane and join NewBabylon.

(01:18:16):
So I can do it with you or without you.
I'd rather be, so you don't get in trouble.
You seem like a nice guy. Whatever, Negan.
Now, if New Babylon Federation comes in, he's a target, and
they may end up being a target because of their association
with him just being there because we've seen New Babylon
Federation, they hang people as collaborators, blah blah, blah.
Rule of law, Charlie Bird, Nirvaez, whatever.

(01:18:38):
On the other side of it, there'sthe Bruegel assault, which he
was informed of by Maggie. There's there's going to be an
ambush, you're going to get slaughter, blah, blah, blah.
OK, so there's a blast radius from two sides.
So I get why he feels like he has to say, and I get why he
feels like he has to send them away.
I think the real part of it is the question that has to be
asked is why doesn't he go with Annie and Joshua?
In light of all this, Let's justleave and take our chances on

(01:19:00):
the road. I think the New Babylon
Federation might be the factor here, but I think there's
something deeper. And I feel like that's the more
obvious point, isn't it? The more obvious point is
because of what I've done, I don't deserve them.
I mean, I think that factors into it, but I don't think
that's the entire reason. True.
And of course the excuses. I'm beset on both sides by these
two factions. That's that's the excuse.

(01:19:22):
But I think the meat of it is him, like you said, taking
account of the sins that can't even be wiped away because they
keep wafting in. He killed the Dhamma and he he
exiled the Croat knowing that they're going to be attacked.
He's not going to run away this time.
He feels responsible for this group of people because he took
out their leaders and now there's this big problem that's

(01:19:44):
coming. And if he's the reason that they
have nobody to lead them, and, you know, a leopard doesn't
always 100% change their spots, he probably still has a little
bit of the ink, you know, a little bit of feeling that I
liked doing this. What does he say?
Is it really as good as we remembered or is it just what we
tell ourselves? So is it really as good as he

(01:20:05):
remembered running the sanctuaryor does he just remember it?
Or is really as bad as running the sanctuary, or does he just
remember it that bad? So this is a chance for him to
try again. We see that light spark up in
his eyes again when he's reminiscing about like the crazy
things that he did as the leader.
We see that when they're on the roof and they're preparing for

(01:20:25):
the new Babylon ship to come in and, and I almost said Logan,
not Logan Victor, played by Logan.
Logan, who played Victor? Yeah.
And the croatter on the roof and, and the Croat's talking
about like, remember when we, you know, you poison all those
people and poison their food andhe's, he lights up when he's
talking about it. There is still that memory of

(01:20:48):
like the, the good old days for him.
But now that you say that charity, I wonder if he didn't
force the Croat out to protect him.
That's what I was saying before.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Going, yeah, yeah. I thought maybe just from the
aspect of like, go, go, follow your dream.
But now that we're talking aboutwar, which I kind of forgot
about because like, oh, OK, who's even coming anymore?

(01:21:10):
Dude, everybody's dead but. Saying there's more than one
reason that's just going yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like I'm protecting you. I'm protecting you from this
war, so you don't have to do this.
I'll do it for you. Yeah, enough.
You've done enough. Yeah, OK.
OK, so I I can pick up what you're what you're carrying.
Sharon DI mean bring it back to Sharon DI Think.
Really. Because I I like the idea of him

(01:21:32):
saying I can do that. I can make it right or I can do
it better this time around. I can I can dig that.
I can dig it. But where does that leave Annie
and Joshua? I don't know.
Does he meet up with them eventually?
Does he forget about them? I mean, we we talked a little
bit about absent fathers and maybe they'd be better off
without me. I can understand that psychology
now a little bit better now having you having spoken about
it, Bridget, like I, I can only imagine what your father was

(01:21:54):
thinking about in his mind throughout the entire times.
Like every time I'm there I'm causing somebody hurt or I'm
getting them in trouble or. Well, I mean, yeah, Yeah, I can.
I could. I could see.
Well, I mean, ultimately fallingvictim to substance abuse, but I
could see knowing that you're not a super great person inside,

(01:22:14):
even if I'm at my best, is that still good enough for my kid?
Is it still good enough for thiswoman, For this woman who chose
chose to take me on? Like, am I still good enough for
them? I know, I know.
Well, the audio podcast just letthem know, but yeah, that is
heartbreaking. That's that's absolutely how
heartbreaking. I mean, even just thinking about

(01:22:35):
that, like even even the new Negan is kind of what you're
saying is like even me, I'm I'm a better man, and yet still it's
not good enough for. Them not enough for them.
Because and you know what? I'll even say this.
Let's just say this. Whatever I've done is lingering.
The things that I've done are lingering.
How can we get over the old me if the old me keeps wafting in?

(01:22:56):
Yeah. And I and nature versus nurture.
It's still me. Well, and we've seen so much of
it in this show, in this show, when we're looking back on even
Season 1. The throat slitting thing.
The like the throat slitting thing where he's like holding
him over the balcony or whatever.
Like all of that crazy classic Negan stuff that we've been

(01:23:17):
seeing. Every time we think, okay, he's
moved beyond this. There's just a little flash of
it. The employment of that image.
Keeps the light in his eye as he's reminiscing.
Like we just keep seeing it overand over again.
The stomping on the rat and thenmanipulating people to
essentially carry out what he would like them to.

(01:23:38):
That's all classic old Negan stuff.
Old habits die hard. And so even though we can see
that he's a different person, that he's not that guy anymore.
Or he walks away with a little mopey face when he does a
little. More well, he's a little more
softened, right? Like you could argue that put in
a different situation. Would he do that again?
Now, I don't know because he took the the freaking grader to

(01:24:01):
that guy's face. So God only knows, but Mr. Lemon
Zester. Not a zester.
Tap it. Tap it.
Write it, zest it, zest it. That's right.
Zest. Zest it some more.
Zest it some more. I don't know why saying tap it
like that is. It brings me so much joy.

(01:24:21):
It sparks joy. So much.
Thank you, Kim Coates. Yeah, I love it.
It's enough to make me want to go to the Camp Scream City
thing. It's just to meet him.
I see what you're saying though.I I see.
Well, and isn't that the devil you know is you also?
But the devil you know, you go back to your old habits because
they're your comfort. Zone better, better.
The devil works, yeah. Well, and then all the more
reason why he kicks out the Croat, because you're just

(01:24:44):
borrowing the thing that I worked for me and you're using
it. And I don't want that for you.
Yeah, I don't want that life foryou.
You don't. I mean, you could see, and I
said this every single episode. I love the little moment that
they had together, the Croat andEgan.
I did take a screenshot of the the lake that he talked about
too. Oh, can I see it?
I really wanted to see it. It is amazing, it is akin, and

(01:25:05):
this is a very strong statement.This is akin to the Guazu Falls,
Plitovic Lakes or something likethat.
Is Sharon coming on? He's back.
Bear with me, Sharon back. In the New York groove.
This is Blitzvic legs Blitz blitz.
Stop it Dave. This is AI.
This isn't real. It's real, it's real.
It's, it's just, it's. This does not look real to me.

(01:25:27):
Oh my God. It's a slow shutter aerial shot
basically. Essentially.
Looks like AI. This looks like it's out of Lord
of the Rings. No, it's that's what it looks
like. That's the is.
And he's right. I looked at this and I said this
is worth bringing onto the podcast because it literally is.
What does he say? He said that you would marvel at
it, yeah. It will silence you all with

(01:25:48):
wonder. Yeah 100% I totally agree.
And as you get closer looks. Like there's a little roller
coaster track going along the outside of the mountain right
there. Like a mountain.
It's a hiking trail. Road thing.
I wish I got both the screenshots because as you get
closer there's like a little walkway you can walk across the
lakes and stuff like that. I've never wanted to swim in a
lake so badly. Since we're here, let's bring up

(01:26:10):
something else. Let's go to the park.
Remember, he was mentioning Belvedere Castle.
Yeah, that's Belvedere Castle inCentral Park.
It's literally looks like a castle.
He was like, I was looking all around Belvedere Castle and then
the skating rink which is here, which this is me and Eliza.
Oh my goodness. Yes, Eliza Jones, 86 I think on

(01:26:32):
Instagram. Fun.
We were there and somebody took a picture of us and the next
photo next to it is me trying totake a selfie and she fell.
Oh no. And I wanted to show one more
thing, and that was the route that the Bruegel took from the
boathouse to the Met, the back of the Met, which I was like, is
there a back entrance from the park to the Met?

(01:26:53):
I was wondering that too. And there is.
The boathouse is down here, Central Park Boathouse.
And then you go all the way through the park.
Now, normally you go here, but that seems to be maybe that's
more dangerous, but you go all the way here and there's a door
right here. Yeah.
Crazy. Did you notice the Goya exhibit
banner that was hanging on the museum?
Sure did. Right in the back here.

(01:27:14):
Right. I wonder if that is like
something that they slipped in because everybody was
speculating on if it had been a exchange between Daryl Dixon and
so they like just slipped this little image in there to be like
no, the no, it was on the Internet.
I I wasn't the one that came up.Was it really I?
Thought David said the banner was in an earlier episode, was
it not? Well, so the two banners are

(01:27:35):
from current exhibits. That's that's what I mentioned
in the last episode. But the goal, I think could have
been something they just put in there.
Right. Surely that's why I was
wondering if they had like slipped that in there to counter
all the people that were saying,oh, it's because Darrell Dixon
met him and I did notice it. They've never stopped the fandom
of a wildly speculated on anything, so I don't know about

(01:27:56):
that. Rob says he misses New York City
in winter time, not the frigid cold.
We drew a parallel a couple of weeks ago of the bat being
lightning and Negan being Zeus overthrowing Cronus, whatever.
So I was trying to figure out because he he's banishes the
Croat, right? So I looked up who's Zeus
banished and the. Second time.

(01:28:18):
Banished the Titans led by Cronus, which sounds an awful
lot like the Croat, but anyway, he all he did not banish
Haiti's. Haiti's chose to go to the
underworld. Think there was an agreement?
That's just Haiti's spin on it, you know, He doesn't want to
admit he was. That's Haiti's history, you
know. See, History is told by the

(01:28:40):
victors. Poseidon was banished from
Olympus for attempting to usurp Zeus's authority.
Well, if the Croat dies in a crashed boat, then we'll know
that it was Poseidon. He also banished Prometheus.
Bring her a fire. Right for giving fire to humans.
And he bound into a rock and tormented him with the eagle

(01:29:00):
eating his liver every day. And it started over every day.
Regenerating. Yep, Yep, Yep.
God of healing too. So there you go.
Heating, healing and medicine. Wow, yes, that's right.
Well then who is the Croat? If not, maybe Hades?
Well he is like marred by the death of his family.
So is that idea is? He going to live underground.

(01:29:20):
We find him in a subway and next.
Well, we will see him in the next episode, apparently,
because Maggie. That he's the ruler of the
underworld. I can we just say let's go into
feelings. There's a lot of talk about from
some people I know TWD horror crew, horror creations on
Instagram has talked a big game about this is the Croat.
He kills kids. And he showed 2 images of first

(01:29:41):
of all, the Herschel looking Walker in the first season when
they go to Madison Square Garden, whom they thought was
Herschel at first. Do you remember when they came
in at first they saw a characterin a chair tied to a chair.
It looked like Herschel. And then also obviously the
flashback of the girl that they tortured from that group that
was a spy, maybe question mark, but probably a spy.
But you know, whatever. We were only just introduced to

(01:30:03):
the Croat and you could say the same thing about Negan had we
just only been introduced to himas well and didn't we?
When we were first introduced tohim, we hated his guts and
everything he stood for. We wanted Rick to win so badly
and we still did it even when westarted hearing more about
Negan. We don't know Croat long enough
to give him that grace. But there is a part of me

(01:30:24):
because, OK, all, obviously all of this is bootstrapped and
people are meant to represent other people whom we know.
I do. And what did I say every single
episode about the Croat? Why is he being reduced to a
punchline? And this episode gave me a
little bit of payoff because youdid get to see a human side of
the Croat that wasn't reduced toa punchline.
It is something that we all want.

(01:30:45):
We all want the ability to choose what we want to choose
out of life, whether it's the prison of our minds or there is
a force that's preventing us or responsibilities, we'll just go
there that are preventing us from getting the thing that we
want out of life. So I like that.
But feelings, do you have similar feelings to me when it
comes to the Croat that you do want to see a redeemed Croat?

(01:31:07):
I just kind of feel bad for him because he's always been the
rat. A follower.
Right. He's always and he's always been
second and he doesn't. I don't think he wants to lead.
I don't think he knows how to because he was genuinely
distraught without the dama there to tell him what to do.
That panic attack? Go Zhelko.
Yeah, that was really great. Very good.
I feel bad for him, but I tend to feel bad for anybody who

(01:31:30):
feels bad about things. There's a legal precedent for
that, too. At the same time, he did kill a
bunch of kids, so he's not a good guy.
Everybody's Gray. That's the point of these series
is everybody's Gray, Nobody's perfect.
Everybody does bad things. I mean, I won't cry if they end
up killing him off. I'll be upset about it because.

(01:31:51):
And maybe similar to what Racheland I were feeling about the
DOMA, like, OK, she is way more detestable.
We argue we don't like her because it's unearned clout, at
least in The Walking Dead universe terms.
Like, yeah, you got to kill a bunch of people to get that
spot. I know with him, it's it's you
know what? His tragic story is an anchor.
It does make me feel a little bit more sympathetic the the way
in which he lost his family. It sticks with me.

(01:32:13):
And I don't know how who I wouldturn into.
Everybody has lost their family and some gruesome horrible way
and not everybody turns into a child killing psychopath.
Even Negan who was like one of the worst people ever, he drew
the line at children. I don't know if he was ever
faced with a child being a spy or whatever, but I get the
feeling like that wouldn't end up in death for that child.

(01:32:35):
Well, Carl was the spy. He remember he stuck up on that
truck. Yeah, and he decided not to kill
him and instead try to take him under.
Well, and isn't Benjamin Pierce,I am jumping ahead.
But whereas Victor dies and he was very upset about that, Joan
dies. People of a certain age.
I'd added A tag to our last episode.
Christos, I contend, looks like a very young father, maybe in

(01:32:56):
and around the same age as Victor and Joan.
And he dies too. And what was he doing, if not
the same shtick as Negan? Putting on an image to protect
his people in the only way that he knew how is to put on a
veneer. He was the same, probably about
the same age as Victor and Joan.And now here's Benjamin Pierce,
maybe a little younger than those three people I just
mentioned. And here's an opportunity to

(01:33:16):
take another to save one more, to save Benjamin Pierce, to save
one more person from dying. The way Victor and Joan and and
Vic and Negan saw the impalementof Jones the the sign into Jones
leg and Negan saw Christos die. So maybe this is like him, just
no more here and no more this Benjamin Pierce guy I'm going to
save and protect. Maybe that's another reason why

(01:33:37):
he stays. Because if he saves and protects
Benjamin Pierce, then Benjamin Pierce is going to write history
that will favor Megan. Oh yeah, nicely done.
And not New Babylon, which? How interesting will that be?
Welcome to the winner's circle, kid.
And maybe he has a plan to. Maybe.
I don't know. He doesn't strike me as the plan

(01:33:59):
type, he strikes me as the no. I know.
I mean, Negan has a plan. Yeah.
No, no, Negan has a plan. Sorry.
I should have qualified. You're right.
Negan always has a you. Didn't.
Not that you wanted my opinion, Dave, but you didn't ask me
about the Crowat and I just haveto say I said no one song.
Saying again so. I'm a bad guy now and I want and
I want him to be redeemed. No, let's let's go deeper.

(01:34:22):
Bridget, what is it about the Crowat that you aside from hey,
he's a fun guy and again, like other than maybe that is enough,
but there is something about him.
He's kind of the underdog in this story.
There's something about him thatjust his life has been not
great, and then he wanted to go home and he couldn't even do
that. It's like everything he touches,
like, turns to crap. He's like, really?

(01:34:44):
Remind us of just. Like us, like just me as a
person, I was like, it reminds me of that.
Ding Ding. Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding.
So everything he touches just kind of fails, and there's
something that's really relatable about that that's.
What kind of what I mean, Yeah, sure.
To see this guy struggling to toget over even like he did a

(01:35:07):
really horrible thing and he immediately regrets it.
So maybe some of this like, well, I'll kill the kids for you
is just like, maybe it's just talk.
Maybe it's just this like, pomp and circumstance that he like,
pumps himself up with, and then later he's having like Carol
moments to himself where he's counting how many people he's
killed and he's like having a mental breakdown about it either
way. And again, it's just the show.

(01:35:30):
I want to see the bad guys succeed.
The bad guys are my heroes. I hate New Babylon, they're the
worst. They're everything I am against
as a person. I think they're the bad guys
anyway. Well.
It's just that concept of like, we'll help you manage
everything. No, I want less government.
Get out of here. All of you.
Get out of here. Burn it down.
The thing about colonialism is the the draining of natural

(01:35:50):
resources and the and the and the destruction of the
indigenous peoples. But the pros are claiming of
natural resources and the description of the you'll give.
You nothing, but you'll have these really cool jackets.
The Dhamma, for the first time, the Croat was actually a winner.
He was the one that brought me into her, and he is the one that

(01:36:12):
did everything for her. He is the one that she calls
when she needs help. He's the one that is the snappy
dresser. Everything for him is with the
Dhamma. He's finally #1.
Says he looks like a bellhop, but yeah.
Oh man, well, oh man, also Sharon D freezing up.
But also, oh man, guys, we didn't see the parallel because
we didn't know until now, because you'd said it best.

(01:36:34):
I think, Bridget, you'd said theCroat is just as only as good as
his purpose. He's not a leader.
He needs somebody to point him in the right direction and then
he'll go like a little wind up toy.
But then who is that if not Bruegel talking to Tony in the
last episode, I gave you a purpose.
It's the same parallel. Bruegel is the dama and the

(01:36:54):
Croat is Tony. And that's all he was because he
had no identity. His family was his identity,
it's whoever was the recent person that gave him life and
filled him up with a purpose. I mean that's why he doesn't
have an actual name. That's sad.
That's why he builds this like concept of like I'm the Croat
instead of owning A melee and have lost everything and I can't

(01:37:15):
even make it back home. Well, and then Negan melee 2
syllables each person. Well, I think much like Negan
had everyone saying like we are Negan, I am Negan.
This whole concept of like I'm building this facade, this
persona that we're projecting out into the world, this just
persona, It's the same concept as the trash people.

(01:37:36):
Yeah, whatever. Jadis's people.
Jadis's people, she. Talks.
In World Beyond by like, she makes them have their own
language because it binds them together.
This concept of the shared language, the shared lexicon
that you use where you're sayingI am Negan, the crot does the
same thing by naming his group the Brasi and then saying like,

(01:37:57):
So now you're using all of this language, this shared lexicon
you didn't have before. Yeah, we're all.
Brothers and it's a. Brotherhood.
And they're not all Croatian, obviously.
Obviously. What's with Wayland?
Because he has Croatian roots, no.
Maybe you don't know. Absolutely not.
He did. He did an ancestry and you don't

(01:38:19):
know Dave. Yeah, he did.
An ancestry in the apocalypse. Yeah.
Bridget, did you think that wentthrough?
You just spit in a zombie and then he's like points in a
direction and then that's where your ancestry is.
Oddly sexual. 23 and. 23, 23 andeat.

(01:38:41):
Can I continue with what I was saying before my Internet so
unceremoniously dropped me off for the first time?
The Croat is like on the up and up.
He brought Negan in. He's a superstar, but the thing
that's going to ultimately bringhim down is that he brought in
the agent of his own destruction.
Because none of this would have happened had Negan not Oh.
Sure, yeah. Yeah, So what he thought was

(01:39:01):
going to make him the star endedup dropping him while he's
banished. It ended up costing him
everything. No, I think he started, he
started to see that at the beginning of Negan coming in,
when Dhamma started to show morerespect to Negan and she was to
him. That's why he rats on Negan is
because there's like this jealousy of like, I'm the one
who brought you in. Don't forget where you came

(01:39:24):
from. It's like this concept this.
Is where I came from. It's really, yeah.
It's very convoluted honestly. Which I mean, I get I how many
of us totally get that? Like you?
You're the one who thought of the idea.
You're the one and excuse me, excuse me, It's I don't, I get
praise for the thing. I get it at work all the time.

(01:39:45):
And you won't. And you never will I.
Mean he's he's, he's fortunate. To take it.
Negan has kind of turned over. A bag now.
Otherwise he would literally be the rat bag.
If Negan hadn't turned over and said you know what?
I don't, I don't want to be thisperson anymore.
He wouldn't have stomped the rat, he would have just stomped
the Croat into a pile. Yeah, which, you know, you
saying that even makes me feel alittle bit more excited about

(01:40:07):
what's to come. We have two episodes to go and
it puts me in a space where I'm OK.
I'm a little bit more open to seeing what happens here because
it can't be just about. I refuse to see my wife and
child and send them off because I'm just reliving the my past.
It would be a change from the Negan that we know, even this
new Negan. I think maybe there's something
brewing here. I think there's more to it than

(01:40:28):
just there is a plan here. And like you said, Benjamin
Pierce is here to document it. Maybe he's, well, what is Negan
if not? People are a resource.
Some of the some things never change.
And so maybe they he can glean some knowledge from Benjamin
Peers about history and how we can figure this out too.
You know he's not just some random dude.
Our Republic generally started in New York, so it would be

(01:40:49):
interesting if the dawn of a newhistory is happening in New York
right now. You have your Benjamin Pierce
to. You had me at new.
York to document everything. So the whole thing has been
like, why would anybody want to go back to the old world?
And I just have one thing to sayto that, and that is hygiene and
medicine. Ice cream, like screw everything
else, but medicine and hygiene is very important.

(01:41:10):
And I don't know if you noticed,but people on this show are not
particularly hygienic. Methane's everywhere.
I could care. Methane.
I could care less about most things in the old world or
whatever, but I would really like to have the medicine and
the hygienic capabilities that we have now.
Well, especially our conversation before we we went
live. I get it.
I get it. And hey, Kayla Durag, how are

(01:41:31):
you? It's good to see you on the
Facebooks. I hope I said your name right by
the way. I always thought it was durow,
but that's just me. Maybe I'm wrong.
Thank. You for saying that?
Keep going with the comments. Rob says Negan doesn't want his
wife and son to experience even a sliver of what he used to be.
He's ashamed. He even looks similar in the way
he's dressed and that he's holding a new oh, Lucille, I

(01:41:53):
would guess it cut off for me. Ron, I'm so sorry.
It's. On the screen.
OK, here's I, I see him. He's doing the same things, but
it's almost like he's playing a role.
Like he doesn't really have his heart in it like he used to.
And I mean, I feel like he's oldand tired and he just, he
doesn't really want to do this anymore.
What he wants is to go settle back down with his wife and son

(01:42:13):
in Tennessee and just chill. You know what?
OK, so I've been listening to this podcast, believe it or not,
about American history, and I just got to George Washington
and how George Washington did not want to be the president.
He was done. He wanted to go home to Mount
Vernon and hang out and be a planter and live out his life.
And he was forced into it because he wanted to protect

(01:42:36):
this thing that he had helped give birth to and create.
So he did 8 years as the president.
He did not want that role, but he felt like it was his duty to
take it because he was partly responsible for it being there.
And I kind of feel like maybe that's where Negan is right now.
He does not want to do this. He wants to go to Tennessee.
He wants to be on a farm with his wife and his son and just

(01:42:58):
live out his life. But he can't because he is now
responsible for this group, because he broke the leadership
of it. He started the revolution and
now he's got to be in charge. And that's why you've got to tap
it. The painting of watching and
crossing the Delaware. It's Negan crossing the Hudson.

(01:43:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's as soon. As you said, George Washington
again. It's all I could think of now.
They are not in a cooler. Yeah, right.
In a cooler or a trash can. Trash can Right?
Exactly. Park Trash.
Can there's a lot of logic to that I didn't want the role, but
it was thrust upon me and maybe it's common wisdom is like the
person who and there she goes again and and the person right.

(01:43:42):
Isn't it like a common knowledgelike the person that ought to be
president most or whatever leader king is the one who wants
at least the most effective president.
Let's say I don't know if that there's there's a wisdom to
that, but the person who wants it the most, there is an
expression in Hebrew or diff kavode is why do they exactly
and for what end? At least with Megan, it's like I

(01:44:04):
didn't I don't want this. I don't even I don't I want to
get away, but there's the duty and responsibility to it.
And since Sharon, he says OK, I give up.
I got my piece in anyway. She got her insight in and
that's it. That many times getting kicked
off I'd be. 4. Times flipping tables.
I have an immense amount of respect for her continuing to

(01:44:25):
try because she's in the league of patients like me.
Should I have an immense amount of I apparently I didn't want
to. No, I'm not going to bring up
the peha and the traditional cooking method and the raw that
the fish do that the Croat brings up.
It's very interesting, some cultural pollination.
That is cool, but I'm going to say.
I want to. I got to go to bed.
I want to sleep. David I.

(01:44:46):
Got to go to bed. That's where we're going to
leave it because last thing thatwe see is Ginny collapsing,
meeting Megan. Similar scene to what we saw
with Maggie in the past, trying to kill Negan, holding the gun
up and it's not working out. Herschel.
Herschel has done the same thing.
It's like. Same energy.
Nobody can. Nobody can do it.
Something always. Stops just something like the

(01:45:07):
rizz. I think it's the rizz.
About it. It also could be an infection
that's. It could be a hand start.
Of it. So with that, everybody, first
of all, thank you. And also Kayla, you know,
message me on how to properly pronounce your name.
Thank you. I hate getting things wrong like
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Baby. Bye, Kayla.
Thanks for being here by Tess. You're gone, but we loved you.
Yeah, we and we still do, even though.
Oh. Yeah, I do, actively still.
I love you when you're gone, like when I miss you when you're
not here. I don't when you're gone.
I don't know you at. All but like when you're here,
she magically just. Yeah, it turns it around.
It's a thing. It's a real thing.

(01:48:47):
It's like, you know, it's like you're neglecting me, Tess.
That's what she thinks. And I have.
Abandonment. Issues she does.
It's terrible, it's true. I just want to say one more
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It's not even about me, it's about we.
And I think it would be very helpful.
Just hey, listen, I know you don't, some of you, I know who
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Currently I'm doing something. We're trying something new.
It's called the limited series lounge.
It's me and Takira, who is Connie Dixon.
Full life is how I was hit. LYFE the #4LY F.

(01:50:14):
E That's why I do the four like this, like I'm throwing up
signs. Gang signs 4 fingers.
We are currently doing somethingcalled the Limited series
Lounge. We're kind of playing with the
idea, but right now we're covering a show that was on BBC
back in like 2016 called 13. It's a crime drama.
So it's it's a scripted drama, but it's about a girl who was

(01:50:34):
kidnapped at age 13 and has beenheld for 13 years.
And it starts, oh, thank you, Rob.
It starts with her being like getting out.
And so it's all about how does that affect her family?
Like the fact that she's been gone and things have happened to
her family since she's been gone.
And you're also trying to find out what happened because you
don't know. And they haven't caught the guy

(01:50:55):
who did it either. So we're heading into the third
episode this week and it's a really interesting show and I'm
excited about it. It's only 5 episodes though.
So then after that we're moving on to other things cause the
limited series launch is going to be about limited series shows
only, so. That's what you're calling the
series. Yeah, fully encapsulated shows

(01:51:16):
that wrap up after one season, so.
Like a couple of episodes. Yeah, yeah.
Kind of just like going through that.
We were looking for something that was similar to found
because that was what we were covering and one of the viewers
suggested it, which is like great was such a great
suggestion. Very appreciative of it.
And I will say this series that you're covering, 13, sounds a
lot like a mini series based on real events called I know My

(01:51:40):
First Name is Steven. Do you remember that?
No. Oh my God.
Do I need to cover that? You might want to OK, it's a
real story and they had real footage from that, the actual
Steven. And I will say it's heart
rendering. It's really brutal.
I I remember watching this as a kid.
OK, this is like I'm going to give you guys like a little

(01:52:00):
sneak peek. This is I not announced this on
my own channel. I, I don't know that this is for
sure going to happen, but this is something we've been talking
about when talking about maybe interspersing in between with
these scripted like dramas, truecrime series, because they tend
to be one season long. It like tells the encapsulated
story and then it's over. And one of them that I really
wanted to talk about because Tahira has not seen it and knows

(01:52:21):
nothing about it, is the Jinx. Oh, that's Netflix, was it?
I believe so because I have to get Netflix anyway for what
we're going to end up doing. But.
Maybe. Oh my God, I'm like Aladdin,
you're Prince Jasmine. I can show you the world.
Bridget, welcome to Netflix, where all there's all this cool.
I have to go back to it anyway because Stranger Things is
coming back. I have to.

(01:52:43):
Go back to it eventually. But anyway, so that's just a
little sneak peek. We might be doing true crime
stuff too, which is it's definitely my jam.
Don't know if it's anybody else's, but I really enjoy it.
And so I'm really looking forward to, to doing this and
I'm I'm working on some other things and I'm going to go back
to some things that I really don't want to go back to.
Like cancellation, devastation. Yes, but also Clementine I.

(01:53:04):
Don't want to go back to it for far too long.
I've. Been putting it off for like 2
years. Dude I've been putting it off
for so long but I'm going to go back to it.
I I own both books. I hate them both but it's time.
Time and so increase the chance of Bridget finally getting to
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why I don't do it but my editingis quite fun if you do sit
through it's. Quite fun.

(01:53:49):
So encourage her do the things with that everybody.
We'll see you in the next one, which hopefully might also be
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But you know what if you like these live videos, just say it
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Millennial. Pause, Millennial.
Pause. So awkward.
Millennial pause. Yeah, it's fine.
It's fine, don't worry about it.Forget about it.
Thank you so very much for making it to the end of yet
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This one, the 6th episode of TheWalking Dead Dead Cities second

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