The Walking Dead: Dead City |SEASON 2 PREMIERE|⚡Power🟰Equals🟰Power💪

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No, we can't go live because theepisode hasn't aired yet.
Oh, no, no. I mean, we could, but nobody
would like it. No, no, everybody would like
very bad. But picks up for a few people
who'd be like hey this shit didn't air and I'm pulling.

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We are squawking dead, a podcastpulverizing episodes beyond but
including The Walking Dead universe.
Sometimes we give you news, sometimes we make you laugh.
Most times we go deep. I'm host David Cami and I'm
joined by. This girl, Cosmo mom, 09.
And I'm Bridget. You can find me at youtube.com,
Slash at Punky Brewster. That's PUNKYBRUISETER.

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And we're here to talk to you about the return of The Walking
Dead, Dead City, its second season, its sophomore, if you
will, Season 2 premiere titled Power Equals Power.
In case you missed it, we did live stream our coverage and we
are live streaming our coverage of The Last of Us.
And in the last episode, the third episode of the season, we

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discussed my visit with Thomas to Rooftop Films early premiere
of The Walking Dead, Dead City, which included a bunch of photos
and some tales. And I urge you, if you haven't
checked that out till you head back to that episode, we had a
raucous discussion and we will not be including it here.
I would urge you watching the live stream.

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We did release the subsequent episode on all podcast platforms
including Spotify video. So head on over there and check
that out. Other than that, I hear Bridget,
you had some things to talk about, the way in which AMC
decided to promote The Walking Dead, Dead City with all its
wonderful, interesting things that they did around New York.
City unusual choices they this is the second year in a row that

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they've done this. Those of you that were in the
know, I guess for last year, I do not live in New York City,
but I did definitely bother Daveabout this because I would like
to get the free merchandise that's being given out.
Last year in New York, they set up kind of like little pop up
stops annoyingly far from one another so that you had to

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basically not be working that day if you wanted to hit all of
them. There was like a pizza shop that
they went to where like walkers were there to serve you your
pizza. I would not eat it.
This was like combined with Verizon Wireless also, so there
was like a Verizon store pop up thing, a bagel shop if you like.
They gave out a tote bag. This is the one that came out

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last year. It says welcome to Dead City
with Honestly he looks more likea creepshow ghoul than anything
else with a Walker and then the Dead City logo on the other side
with. The AMC AMC Plus I.
Think I want one of those. And then I also got this key
chain. It's a apple with a zombie face
in it. And then it's got The Walking
Dead Dead City logo on the back of it.

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Yeah, bitten apple. Because it was like warm out, I
assumed him at the time. The bottle that's got the fan on
the top so that you can put water in it just like a
spritzer. They give out those at Verizon
as well as a belt bag. Some might call it a Fanny pack
that says Dead City. This year, the Walkers did some

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different things. It's viral marketing.
It's kind of cool. People stumble upon it and
they're like, what is happening?And that's how they find out
about your show. And that's fun.
Walkers were on the street giving out fake copies of the
New York Post. Like it's a real paper, but it's
like fake articles. I think the New York Post did
provide the print I. Believe so.
Yeah, they had like fake zombie art related articles and they

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were giving those out. That's cool.
They also went to the Empire State Building.
That's right. With Jeffrey Dean Morgan, he was
there. Yeah, he was there.
Yeah, he was. They were all there.
There's a photo there on the observation deck.
The Walkers were also at the Mets game, which was an
interesting choice. Now this was kind of hand in
hand promotion with TWD shop.combecause their merchandise has

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this logo. That was a good cross cross
promotional. If you went to the Mets game,
the first whoever got a free rally towel, which I just so
happened to have procured. Your girl loves free stuff, and
I will pay for the free stuff that I know I rightfully should
have received. It's a skull that looks like a
baseball with the baseball stitches.
It's kind of like a skull and crossbones but instead of the

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crossbones it's 2 luciles and there's a walkers as if it's the
team named Walkers is emblazed at the bottom with the dead city
logo and small just above it. Thank you.
I just don't happen to have beenon TWD shop.com last night just
for funsies. I was just looking.
I was like man I haven't looked at that website in a long time.
I wonder what they got for merchdrop for a dead city and also I

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wonder what they have on sale because I like to peruse the
sales and also what does the website even look like because
they got rid of supply drop and I used to buy that and also they
used to have a rewards program and that's now gone.
So I went to look and I was looking at the sale and they
have some very deep discounts onitems.
Close outs basically. Yes, I'm talking like hats for

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$2.00. And so I'm like frantically
filling my cart with like a million things.
I'm going to give these things away.
Except I won't because the shipping was insane.
I put like 18 items in my cart and the shipping was 70 to
$90.00. What?
And I was like, that can't be right.

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So for instance, I was getting like 10 hats because I was like,
they're $2.00 a piece. I'm going to get ten of these.
I'm going to give them away to like everybody.
Yeah, they collapsed. Those hats would have cost me
like $20 in just shipping alone,so I'm not sure where they're
shipping from. You can find some good deals but
just be wary of the shipping costs would be my
recommendation. I took a ton of stuff out of the
cart. I'm only receiving like a couple

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items now. The total cost of my items is
still the price I'm paying for shipping.
So it was like $20 and $20. I'm paying as much in shipping
as I was for the items, which iscrazy anyway.
This logo, this baseball with the two Lucille's is also the
logo for a baseball capability, but they also have a baseball

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jersey. This is quite cute.
Honestly, I don't like the fit of them ever because you know,
I'm fat and they're not for fats.
So if you're not a fat it might be worth it.
I mean, if you can get into 4XL or something, I don't know, like
oversize that cutie girl, it just doesn't like it.
Doesn't sit right, ever. It's bit boxy, yeah, and not in
the right places. No, it went up to straight.

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Line places. Well, the one thing that you
missed on the in the game was that Lauren Cohan and Jeffrey D
Morgan did throw the first pitchthrough all these promotional
photos too. Who threw the first pitch?
Because I can't both throw the first pitch.
Well, they were both at the mound and there were two
catchers. Oh, they both threw.
They didn't throw at the same time.
Well, who really threw first then?

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Dave? Yeah, the chicken or the egg?
The chick or the egg man? I I don't remember exactly.
I think it might have been Jeffrey.
No, that's cute. That's a cute promotion.
This is fun marketing to me. Like when companies come up with
this kind of marketing, I'm like, who are your marketing
people? Because this is what you should
be doing for all of your shows. This is so fun.
Now that I can talk about it, wemade a lot of comments while we

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were watching the premiere. And since I watched it twice, I
did watch it at the Paley Center.
And the end result of that, by the way, is I had a seat to
watch the thing and I recorded it on my voice recorder.
And maybe we'll do something with that down the road.
I don't know how far down the road and I don't know if I'll
ever get to do it because we're just in hell right now because
of this 2 episodes back-to-back thing.

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And. Yeah.
But one of the biggest comments that I kept saying to my
seatmate in the first night, Zafira, and we've been in good
context since then because she needs.
Fun. She needs a TWD buddy and we
happen to be a podcast connectedto all bunch of buddies so I
love that. This was your your friend from
the line. No, not that's Camilla, but

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she's a different person whom I should have gotten a photo with
her, but who knows? You're just making friends left
to right, Dave. Yeah, Thomas may have a photo
with all of us. She dressed up as an Egan at the
Paley Fest thing. One of the things I kept
elbowing her as we were watchingwas like, Boston, Boston.
A lot of it was filmed in Boston.
And it kind of ticked us off because we're New Yorkers.

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We have a lot of pride. One of the things they kept
saying was you, we, we want to get the feel for New York.
And I kept going. Boston.
You mean Boston, right? And I'm upset about that.
Make it a real thing, the thing that I can point to on the show
with maps. Remember maps.
Some Fear The Walking Dead maps,which I have a little bit of for
this episode. Well, it costs a lot to film in
New York and then Dave, you New Yorkers like to go fast and then

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you're going to be mad because there's people stopping you from
doing what you want to do because they blocked off our
whole Rd. I'm.
Going to pull a Seth right now. Are you a baby?
Hey baby, you're going to cry. I'm walking here.
Just saying anyway. I will say also though, it looks
like the Radio City thing when they first of all they reuse the
shot, but in the beginning of this episode to the end when

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they light up Radio City Music Hall, I really want to know.
But it does look like a miniature.
Something looks slightly off about it, so that makes sense.
Yeah, there's maybe like a tilt shift lens or filming it kind of
looks. Cool.
It looks cool. I thought it.
I liked it. Yeah.
I liked it and I actually will get into why I think that
because there's two different reasons.
One, which we just mentioned, itis a miniature, but there's

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another reason which we'll get maybe to the end.
The title of the episode is Power Equals Power.
And as usual, how does the titlerelate to this episode?
You think it's simple, but it's not as simple as you think.
Rachel, whom we always are goingto be starting off with first,
the Choo Choo train running. Negan said it best.

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Power, electricity, what they have equals power.
You need electricity and stuff. Actually, I'm going to start
with Sharon, these comments. So she's been trying like heck
to get on here, but it's it's not working.
So she's going to give up, she says.
But I want to mention them turning the lights back on.
It was a cool visual. But there's one problem in
Stephen King's The Stand. When the people in Boulder

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finally get the electricity going, the system overloads and
causes the system to go down again.
Because all those people who died and didn't turn off their
TV, the blender lights, blah blah blah before it happens.
So when the power comes back on,everything that was left on will
still be on and it will overloadthe system and since no one
seems to be monitoring it, possibly burn down the city.

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Oh, that's an interesting thought.
There's a series of novels that I talked about a lot, like a
year ago, the Going Home novels.And one of the jobs that they
have in their neighborhood, likethey tell each community this as
they're working on getting the power up.
There's like some Army engineerswho are working on getting the
power grid up. And as they're working through,

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they stop by the neighborhoods and they tell them if you don't
live in that house, turn off everything, disconnect it
completely. So they'll go back to like the
power meter, disconnect everything, like just shut it
all off so it won't even connectso that that doesn't happen, so
that they don't overpower the grid.
And it's honestly, it's not something I would think about

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before reading that knowing that, yeah, it is something that
would cause a problem just in terms of maintenance alone.
I do have a response to this. You'll notice that when the
power does go on, it's just the immediate vicinity.
It seems like the Croat is supersmart because he knows this too,
and he's just using this as a demonstration to illustrate what

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they're capable of so he doesn'timmediately turn on the full
grid. And there's a mention of this.
Benjamin Pierce of the New Babylon Federation, the nerd
with the notebook talking about history, mentions that the power
lines are underneath the city because of the 1888 Blizzard.
The Blizzard basically tore downall the electric lines in New
York City, did have a lot of Overground cable cars system.

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Even Brooklyn had a few in the Warehouse district too.
After that, they tore it all down.
Of course, with the advent of automobiles handful of decades
later, fuel is the way. There's a little bit of
historical symmetry here. You know, we're using fuel and
so let's use gas cars. Ours are seeing culturally as
this weird ultimate freedom thing that the oil companies

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grasped onto culturally and madeit a thing.
Going back to the grid, the crowd must have in his Barazi
must have gone building to by building and shut down the main
power to each building. And that's also a means of
power. I will selectively turn on these
buildings or whatnot accordingly.
You know, if you play ball, you other brutal, savage tribes of

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New York City, if you play ball,you get to have these things
because we will provide it. Which makes sense, you wouldn't
want to give this free power because it's not free to you,
right? You're utilizing your resources
to send people out to gather thewalkers to then work.
This hyper out level of science that they've got going on here
was very Breaking Bad in that lab too.

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You're using all of your resources to power your area, so
you don't want to just like giveit away willingly.
Right. Well, and then the whole power
grid thing, right. If everything turns on all at
once, you could overload the grid.
Yeah, whatever grid you have left.
OK, keep going with the power equals power thing because I
thought you maybe guys have something else.
Eternity does. Game of Thrones covered that

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when Cersei had the conversationabout power with Baelish.
She says power resides where people think it resides.
Something I repeated a lot when we're talking about House of the
Dragon, he said. People have more power than they
think, especially when you're talking about how they were
holding women down. Women don't have their agency.
And I was like, well, some of them are taking it for

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themselves. Power resides where people think
it does. And even those who are heir to
the throne, it's not guaranteed.You have to make your presence
known. And there's a lot of that going
on here, too, a lot of carrots and sticks throughout this
entire episode, by the way. Yeah, well, why don't we go
through them now? Because the first thing you see
is New Babylon Federation Armstrong.

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Actually, Colonel, Sorry. Use the title.
Colonel Armstrong. It's Colonel to you makes his
pitch. He says this is a good thing,
Let's take over Manhattan, Let'sbring things back because
progress is one of those trains that once it gets started, it
just has to keep going. And he says part of progress and
humanity coming back is taking Manhattan, According to him.

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Like The Muppets? Where are the crowd at the
Bricks going? It's crazy.
And then Narvaez comes on, comeswith the stick and hangs A
deserter because they're going to conscript all the folks from
the bricks. There is the stick and there's
more carrots than sticks, 'causewe'll go to the Negan one.
That's the most obvious one. When he enters the church, he

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signals to the Croat, No, I don't want to use Lucille.
And then he goes on, does this pitch, and you kind of think
it's going to work because even Bruegel over there is like very
smiling. He's like, look at this guy, I
love this. He's like, I got a show and I
got an after show. And then he walks on, he sells
his pitch. He does the negative things that
we all kind of love. I got in here and I already hate

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all of your guts. Basically, there's all of that
going on and it looks like it's about to work until Christos is
the single voice as compared to the bricks voices.
It goes and then he kind of walks and he's like, this isn't
working. You got to go back to the old
ways. It picks up Lucille.
That's the literal stick with a zapper.

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It's a little. Interesting.
Shocky barbed wire you. Don't know what happened at
first. Yeah, I was like, is that a gun?
Well, he was like turning it over and like I saw the button
and I was like, oh that's a weird carving.
I didn't even recognize it as a button at 1st.
And then he's like pointing it in his face and all of a sudden
it like shocks or like somethingshoots out of the end and I'm

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like, did he just shoot him in the face?
Like it happened so fast. I wasn't, I wasn't even sure
what happened until they said itwas a shock, right?
It was an electric shock. Yeah, because they're carrying
him out afterwards. Hey, if you say so.
You saw the little birdies goingaround his head?
Yeah, like a cartoon. Yeah.
Well, AMC's jumping the sharky the birdie with the little

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birdies and stars going around his head.
The episode or Insider actually explains it a little bit more.
It's a big iron bar down the center.
You obviously saw the button, which you didn't recognize.
It was a button, right? So the iron bar is basically
electrified and it attaches to the barbed wire.
And so when the barbed wire is electrified, Christos basically

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gets blasted back. Basically, it's a big old
elaborate Taser is what it is. OK, so when he was holding the
bat, the brunt of the electrocution was his hand,
although it looked like some sparks kind of flew.
This was an experiment done horribly.
Great. I wanted to mention that when

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the Croat gives Negan Lucille, there's a comment that he makes
that's very pointed, and I feel like it is a pointed comment at
the audience. I don't remember the exact
dialogue, but it's kind of due to the effect that like we
change and grow as time goes on,we kind of can become different
people. But what the audience really

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wants is for you to go to your old classics.
The Kraut says this in the. Confession booth and he like
hits the side of the booth. A performer wants to try on new
material. Yeah.
It's like, you know, you want todo different things.
You become like a different person.
And. I, I feel like that's what this
was, was him saying like, hey audience, you're vocalizing

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discontent with the level of progress that you're seeing in
Negan and you really just want him to go back to being regular
old Negan with Lucille. Here it is.
Are you happy now? It just seemed very like pointed
at the audience, like, all right, we'll give you what you
wanted. You wanted Lucille back.
She's back. I.
Don't think Negan's happy about it though.
No, no. Which goes to show that the

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progress is still happening, butit's almost like, fine, we'll
give you what you want, but not in the way that you wanted 100%.
We'll give you what you want, but you're not going to like it.
Yeah. You're going to see it and it's
not going to be, isn't it like anything, It's not going to be
like it once was that lightning in a bottle.
Yeah, it's not going to be. And that should be fine, because
if you just wanted to watch the same thing over and over and

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over again, then you could just go back and rewatch The Walking
Dead like we all do. Well, even if you go back and
rewatch it again though, a million times not the same as
when you first saw it. Correct, that's.
I guess you just had to be there.
There are constantly memes aboutlong standing TV shows that
people really love. It's a meme where a doctor will
be like, I'm so sorry, but you've lost all of your memory.

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And then like they're like sorry.
And then they, like, go back to watching their favorite TV show
because they get to watch it again for the first time.
It's the big guys. It's dumb, but it's it's
honestly how we all feel about like our absolute favorite show.
Even the way here is talks aboutthe avenues were as big as
prairies and how New York was sogreat.
Armstrong even says something tothe effect of the hub of music,

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culture, food. There's a lot of bringing back
the way things were versus how things are now.
And I'm just going to say this is a comment.
I wonder what I want to riff, want you guys to riff off it.
But part of the reason why we like The Walking Dead is
because, first of all, it's a means for you to be the person
you were meant to be. And our little sort of zombie

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lust, wanderlust situation that we're on schedule and I don't
want to do the things at the work and buy the things, to have
the life and the things. And I wish I could just walk
away from it all. Enter zombie apocalypse, right,
Bridget? And I don't know if this is
designed or engineered this way,but I feel like, and maybe you

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can correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like the way they're
presenting these two general factions is that you're meant to
sympathize with the dirtbags in Manhattan and not have any
sympathy for what we would normally be on the side of these
Commonwealth Alexandria. But New Babylon Federation is

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the thing. I feel for the dirtbags, they
just want to be cross punks or whatever's happening here.
Just let them do it. Just let them have their dirty
ways. Who cares?
They're happy with it. We like it that way, bitch.
Yeah, that was that line got me.I was like, I was like, I I'm
dead. Who are you?
Who is this diva? That's all I.

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Wanted to know next time you're here, we'll go to a comedy show,
you'll see a bunch of them and they'll get kicked out for being
hecklers. I loved it.
Part of it is New Babylon is so unlikable.
One, we have very little character development for them,
so that makes them naturally theones that we don't want to side
with, just like we didn't want to side with the Saviors, you
know, not that we would have. We just didn't know a lot about

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them and what we did know was bad.
So same thing for New Babylon, right?
What we do know about them is bad.
We don't know anything good about them, so we don't feel for
them. We don't really know any of the
other people involved, so we don't really care what happens
to them. But also they're going around,
there's conscription, they've brought back conscription.
So it's like this idea of drafting people with other
consent and then if they don't agree, they're to be put to

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death in, might I add, horrific way because public hanging was a
thing. Like I understand this like back
to the 1800s mentality because you don't have power again.
So I get it. And you do have to have
consequences for people's actions.
I also understand that. But a public hanging happened
with a scaffold so that hopefully their neck broke right

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away. And so that way they weren't
just being choked. OK, didn't always go that way,
but sometimes it did. They just lift this guy up off
the ground with a rope, which was horrible.
And so you're like, OK, these people are bad.
And also now they're coming to take people and to show you if

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you don't come with us, you'll die.
We'll do this. So they're so unlikable that
you're like, I don't really wantthem to win.
Maggie is with them, but she's reluctantly with them.
So there's no buy in on our end.Like even though we really love
Maggie, I mean, some of us do, some of us don't.
I do. I like Maggie, even though you
might like her, because she's reluctant to join them.

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I don't have any skin in that game.
Yeah, no, I agree. You're saying a lot of things in
regards to, hey, I don't like the New Babylon Federation, but
even if you look at the dirtbags, rough as they look as
whatever the they're doing is what they're doing.
I'm sorry. Well, that diva delivered that
line and I was sold. That's all.
I just. Fell in love instantly.
Plus, they've got Kim. Just looking at your faces,

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you're more likable to me. You mean Kim Coats?
Yes, you may feel differently about that as the season goes.
That's kind of the point, is that immediately you're endeared
to the Manhattan contingent because Wolf, and it's their way
of life. It's ultimate libertarian
freedom that we do whatever we want.
We can group up if we want to ornot, whatever.

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There's nobody's going to be hungover.
This Christos does. And in addition, Christos
doesn't die. He just shocks him.
He's carted off, but he's still kind of up and around by the
time they leave. So there's that.
So there's a lot of smart boarding of these scenes to
immediately endear. And then of course, later on
down the season you're going to be like, well, maybe this isn't

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as clear cut as we think. I think they're going to put us
in a place where we may not likeanybody.
And that's the truth. We probably already don't like
NBF, the New Babylon Federation.Who do we side with?
And then I think the guns are going to start pointing towards
Maggie Negan. At the end of the day, they're
going to team up and whatnot. I side with Herschel.
Well. Oh, bold choice, actually.

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Bold choice, because why do you say that?
Because it's Glenn's kid, I thought.
There was something special about him.
He is special. He's Glenn's son.
That's. It.
Yep, that's all I need. There's some darkness.
I think that we're supposed to gather.
Something's going on with this kid.
Something happened to him. Something changed him
fundamentally when he was in Manhattan.
Yeah, it's never more clear thanwhen you see him at the at the

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table looking over the drawings and then immediately goes to the
dama stroking her rat in a maze.And you know that that's a
visual representation of Herschel.
Yeah, he agreed with something that was said.
What I could kind of get behind was when he's talking to the
reporter, I guess he's like a. Benjamin Pierce, You mean a?
Cataloguer or historic? Historic.

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Records keeper. Yeah, which, by the way, if you
recognize that kid. Kier Gilchrist.
Yep. He is most notably the star of
Atypical, which I know is how a lot of people recognized him.
Right? So he shows a wide range.
He's a great actor. I was surprised to see him.
I'm sure they had mentioned it, but I try to avoid that stuff so
that I don't know who's in what,but because I knew the Dasha was
going to be in it. But I want to know.

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But I also don't want to know. When Herschel is talking to the
historian, he draws the little picture, but as he's talking
about it, there's kind of like this light in his eye as he
talks about how the bridge fell,but it was twisted and made into
something better. There's kind of this idea that
Herschel is not from our time. He's not from for the fall, he

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truly is from within the fall and so he can see how the fall
has maybe bettered things because he doesn't know what was
there before. Well, even Pierce is probably
just a baby when everything fell.
Yeah, if yeah. He's not that much older than
Hershall. But there is something too.
This whole episode goes back andforth between progress versus

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the way things were. Correct.
Do we bring it back or do we twist it and make something new?
And it's never more cool, this visual representation of, by the
way, a friendly and endearing conversation.
They're both excited about what the other kind of things, even
though Herschel does say that's BS, there's no enmity, there's

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no fighting about it. They kind of talk about it and
then he shows him. Genuinely interested.
Yeah, and Pierce is interested in his point of view.
He's. So excited to like that.
Receive the information, get thedrawing.
He really wanted to have that catalogued.
Is there a Chekhov's gum gum? Chekhov was chewing this gum in
the first scene and it came backto bite.

(26:44):
Is this a sort of Chekhov's gun because it shows you the way
things could be? Well, is this the way things
might end up with two factions actually talking to each other
and convincing each other using persuasion rather than carrots
and sticks? That would be nice to see.
And isn't that ultimately progress?
The right kind. Maybe this like psychologically

(27:05):
has a side with one side over the other.
You know, you see Manhattan and you see and it's got the bright
lights. So maybe this has to do with
like color psychology because you're getting like the bright
lights of Radio City Music Hall.You're getting like these bright
neons and it's it's very vibrant.
And then it goes back to the bricks and the bricks is.
Dull. Miserable.

(27:27):
The people there look beaten down.
They're mostly old people. What was up with their crops?
Like, are they going through a drought?
I can explain that, but yeah. When New Babylon comes in and
they're like, I'd say we're living.
I guffawed. So I was like, are you?
This looks like a prison camp. What is this?

(27:47):
It's horrible. It's funny because we used to
call our dorm, I think the bricks or the cinder blocks
because just because it looked just as miserable, even though
we're kids. What do we know?
We have meal plans and a card. Yeah, exactly.
So what are we complaining about?
It's it's the cost of progress or whatnot.
But then it's also like, well, is this Soviet Russia, right?

(28:09):
It was so bad. I was like, what's happening
with her crops? What is going on?
I could explain all that. That's easy because she saw what
is undoubtedly happening with New Babylon Federation as a
whole, and that is you see the moth a couple of times in this
episode and she deduces from that because it's the same thing
they're going through. You can see it as they come back

(28:29):
to town, they're picking up the crops.
They're all rotten because the moths themselves are laying eggs
within the crops so that the larva can eat off of them.
So they're going through exactlywhat New Babylon Federation is
going through on a whole. And if it's corn, corn is what
they used to make the ethanol. So of course their fuel reserves
are going down, it was explained.
But that makes sense. It's OK Make your audience work

(28:51):
for it sometimes. Armstrong says it in the episode
because it's the exact reason why Maggie figured out this is
more of a question. How about this?
There is an excuse to go to Manhattan for the fuel.
We get the reasoning to go to Manhattan at the end of the last
season, from whom we finally learn the governor of New
Babylon Federation's name, Charlie Bird.

(29:13):
We called her Smokey because shedidn't have a name, because
she's obsessed with cigars and the way they make cigars and the
humid humidity and the wrapping it tight.
Who cares? Charlie Bird?
Who cares? We hate you already.
It's fine. To Bridget's point, they're not
very likable. They.
Really aren't they Really, really aren't.
So much so that I almost forgot what I was about to talk about.

(29:34):
But they the excuse now is thereor, or they're making the
excuse. I wonder.
I feel like the the fact that their fuel reserves are going
low gives them more of a reason to go sooner than they probably
would have otherwise. Or did they do it to themselves?
Did they release or do they guide the malls themselves and
release the could this be planned engineering to force

(29:56):
people into going on this exploratory quest to Manhattan?
I wonder because they were goingto do it anyway.
Did somebody push it? By willingly participating in
conscription, which if you don't, you die.
So there's not really much of A willingness there.
Do they help to provide your people food?
Because otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

(30:17):
If that's an agreement. If that's part of the agreement,
then yes. But if not, then they didn't
have to do that because the people are going to agree
because it's written into their rules and they force their hand
by already eliminating their trading partners.
Code 52, Section an 8 baby. Which, sorry, it's really
bothersome to me to know that this group is out there and that

(30:39):
they've separated everyone from making trades.
Which again, we saw this in The Walking Dead proper with the
Saviors. They made it near impossible for
our survivors group in Alexandria to trade with the
Kingdom. They made it impossible for them
to do the inner trading that they were already doing in order

(31:03):
to break them apart so that theycouldn't form a union against
them. They tried to make it as hard as
possible. So we've seen that already.
Right, if you if they're taking already half your stuff, the
saviors. Correct.
Then you don't have anything to trade.
Right, There's nothing leftover for you so.
It's interesting that this is a repeat of that.
Also, did this pop into anyone'shead?

(31:24):
Because this is all I could think about this episode.
I'm seeing Maggie, they're hunting deer, then she walks to
this miserable looking place andI'm like, why is this where you
are? What happened?
Where is the Commonwealth? Where is Alexandria?
It's, it's driving me crazy. Where are your people?
You're big mad a lot, Maggie. Big mad.
Is that a thing? Big mad.

(31:45):
OK, Yeah. This is how it was when you
encountered the Reapers. Maggie has a hero complex.
She sees a group of people that.Need her.
I think she's a villain complex.I feel like she's the she's a
villain in her own story. She is a villain, but she has a
hero complex because she thinks everyone needs her.
She can't just leave these people, they need her.
Like a form of self sabotage. I think it's penance, honestly.

(32:09):
That's why I think it's more of a villain complex.
There's a lot of reasoning behind this.
This season I feel like is goingthrough the concerted effort of
bringing back Season 9 vibes, along with the fact that this
feels like how maybe the Saviorscouldn't survive.
Do you remember that they were having crop issues at the
beginning of season 9? Yes.
And eventually you find out later, after the six year time

(32:30):
jump, Negan goes back and then it turns out this all this whole
place went to crap. This sanctuary, that's how the
season starts. It opens up with the scarecrow
Walker still tied up to the X onthe front to kind of because
because the crows kept picking at them and crops wouldn't grow
and the soil. Yeah.
So in addition to this, what wasthe reason why Maggie left?

(32:51):
To go with Georgie. So to speak.
Yeah, she eventually gets to. Georgie.
Because Georgie doesn't pick herup.
She just leaves and she finds Georgie.
But what was the impetus? What led up to that moment?
She couldn't be anywhere near Negan.
And why? Because.
She was wanted to kill him. Right.
And they didn't let her. And everyone around her, yeah.

(33:11):
Was against. Her killing?
Yeah, yeah. Now two things happened.
One, she was there to witness Rick Dye quote UN quote on the
bridge 2 she had to leave. OK, 2 is coming back and
realizing that the reason why everybody was able to survive 2
times was because Negan was there for them and she wasn't.

(33:32):
This is why I'm saying I think they're actually going to
backtrack by way of this story. Not only her feelings on
leaving, which is I think a lot of people want.
People want to know why did you leave Maggie?
OK, that's interesting that you say that, Dave.
I forget that she left and therewas a lot of drama surrounding
that, but she was gone for. Some real world and in the
story. She was gone for so long, she

(33:54):
didn't come back until season 11or very end of 10. 10 Very end
of 10. Very end of 10 with Elijah, who
we thought was going to be somebody different because like,
he was masked. But it was definitely giving
Morgan Jones but. But it would have been weird if
they brought him back again again.

(34:14):
I'm back and I have a new mask. It's like, what?
Why? OK, so that makes sense if we're
retreading that because her character made progress in
season 11 and then they had thatreally nice moment in the
finale. We're like, OK, everybody's
growing. She is totally right.
He should leave. I understand.

(34:35):
But he gets to leave and still live, right?
And she gets to have to. I'm just surprised by it.
But this life seems miserable. Why don't you just go back to
your people? But also, where are your people?
Are they even OK? Because there's been another
time jump in this. Yeah, I'll get to that.
We don't even know. There's there's another bit of
evidence here, and that is when she talks about the story of the

(34:59):
not Fireflies. But I thought it was an
interesting nod to The Last of Us.
Because it's overlapping, No, yes, the signal that she has on
the flashlight and she tells them tells us effectively the
story. Because Herschel knows the
story. Why is she telling it again?
She's telling it for us. Exposition.
But they we need to know about that.
And I think that's another bit of reasoning.

(35:21):
I think we need to know more about what happened to them on
the road because it could be very, very useful in describing
the relationship between she andHerschel because for a long time
all they had was each other. Even in the bonus episodes to
season 10 where we first see him, I think, then we see him in
The Walking Dead episode 16, I think we saw, but we really get

(35:42):
an eyeful of him with the trees on the tree.
And it's like over here, mom up here, that whole thing.
And obviously they've been together for a long time.
She was with the Wardens and allthe people who end up dying in
Season 11, The big dude and what's his name and the other
guy, those people, what's. His name?
The other guy. That guy, the one that was hung
upside down and it was like. Frost.

(36:03):
And. Yeah, Frost and Duncan.
Yeah, that's. Called Duncan, we get the.
Sense when we first meet Herschel that they have a very,
very, very close relationship because again, that's they're
all they had of each other for the longest time.
And then Negan comes into the picture in Dead City and this is
he's already he's about 15 or 16.
I hate to say it because here's the thing, he said.

(36:26):
Another time jump. I hate this.
Even Scott Gimple says in the Q&A during the Rooftop Films
event, he says time. What is time?
Time is nebulous on the series. We realized that we kind of kind
of made it a little difficult tokeep track of time.
But according to the New BabylonFederation sign outside the
bricks, it's 17 PDI. What do you think PDI stands

(36:51):
for? Established 17 PDI.
Yeah, I was going to say post something.
Post dead. Deadly infection.
Yeah, I was going to say post dead infection, Yeah.
Deadly infection. Post dead infected, Post dead
infect infection. Yeah, whatever.
I was going to say dead insurrection, which doesn't
really make all that much sense.Post dead inside.

(37:16):
There you go, post dead inside. I know.
People. People dead inside.
Yeah, there you go. 17 post 17 people dead inside.
That's the one. So we're meant to understand
from from this is that we're 17 years in the apocalypse and
Herschel was born roughly 2 years in.
So Herschel's should be roughly around 15, maybe even 16.

(37:37):
That's what we're meant to understand.
There's other things that we learned from the sign as well,
contrary to our research from last season, what research we we
could get from the crumbs they gave us about where the bricks
was sign also tells us exactly where the bricks are, generally
speaking. What?
Wow. What?

(37:58):
OK. It it, it zeroes in way more
than we thought it was originally.
We were thinking it was somewhere in Virginia, whatnot.
And it kind of makes sense whereit is currently.
It's the Blue Ridge region, which is basically the Blue
Ridge Mountains in the Adirondacks of New York State.
It's in New York State. It's in New York State, that's
right. OK, this makes a little more
sense. OK.
Yeah, the travel makes more sense now.

(38:20):
Travel makes way more sense. Also, it makes more sense
because they are completely disconnected from the people we
know and love and all the different places that the
Commonwealth is. But then again, going back to
the time jump, we're 17 years inas opposed to I think what we
generally placed even 1212, yeah, 12:00-ish years in The

(38:40):
Ones Who Live. So we've got that because the
ones that starts off with her from the whisper war in year 10
or 11, there's that year that she was recovering from the gas
attack. And the 12:12-ish years we kind
of surmised in the Gabriel scenes with Jade, as in The Ones
Who Live we got, even though they were wrong, they did it
wrong, they said it wrong, it's fine.

(39:02):
They took back the one year later from the not the premiere,
the finale, because they messed up.
Well, the timeline got jacked up, so then they took it back
because why can't stuff happen concurrently?
It could. It could, but I think the reason
for Dead City being further ahead is because maybe something
might end up being revealed. But why?

(39:23):
This is all happening a little bit further into time.
Consider the fact that the Commonwealth still exists by the
end of the ones Who live. Consider the fact that Rick
Grimes and Michonne and the kids, they're out there
somewhere. They're reunited, yeah.
Yeah, and it's 5 or so years. Well, four or five years later,
if it does right with the bat and Negan and also Rick and the

(39:45):
kids, and it's great, isn't it? But it might not be that great.
I'm going to leave it there. I don't like it.
I don't like it. You know where my head's going.
And I don't know, because if she's just the governor, is
there a figure above Governor Charlie Byrd?
Which is interesting if we're bringing back Season 9 vibes, if

(40:07):
you think about it, because who was the one who stepped in
before? Maggie could get at Negan in
season 9, but Michonne, it's a redux.
Could be, we don't know. I feel like if they do go in
this direction though, it could be pretty interesting.
Electric Boogaloo. Let's move.

(40:28):
OK, last carrot and stick. Breaking 2 Electric Boogaloo.
Yeah, yeah. But I didn't say that Redux.
It means the second. Yeah, well, yeah, Michonne and
Maggie too. Electric boogle, that's how you
would do it. But you just said?
It I didn't want to let the audience work for it, Dave.
But now you explained it. Not our audience.

(40:49):
You explained it. Here's the last carrot and
stick. Negan's rolling up with the
Borazi at the theater where the dama is.
And they have that Croat and dama kind of trade good cop back
up trying to convince Negan one last time a year later, because
it is a year later from the timethey did the prisoner exchange
between Herschel and Negan. And she says same story, same

(41:11):
thing I said a few couple monthsback, I'm not going to help you
with whatever it is because it'snebulous what she actually
wants. Croat in the cage and in his
cell says what about the boy? And he goes, he's safe.
I'm not helping you. Does the Damo want the boy,
Herschel? Why?
Is it because he's like a pet? Do you have any thoughts or

(41:31):
theories about the relationship?It gives me the.
It doesn't give me the egg. Who's this lady?
Do you have any thoughts? Maybe she heard that it's Glens
kid. And she's like, I want that kid.
I want that because it's Glens kid.
I hadn't thought too hard about it, not beyond the way Herschel
was looking at his drawings at the end made me think because he

(41:53):
wasn't looking at them fearfully, right?
It was more like reminiscing. Like fascination, right?
Yeah, like something interestingor fascinating.
Or. Longing.
Yeah. The way he was looking at the
and and his reaction to Maggie questioning him, like, who's
this girl? And she's like.
Who's this girl? She's your new mom and he's

(42:13):
like. Remember when he was, he was
really angry a second ago, and then he kind of, yeah, softened.
That tells me that something happened between the two of them
that the Dhamma was. That he's cheating on his own
mother. That's what it felt like.
Isn't that kind of how it went down with their argument?
That's a really disgusting way to to to describe it, but.
It's the most accurate way you can describe that behavior.

(42:34):
Is she your mother now? That kind of thing.
Something happened, and I don't mean in a disgusting way, I mean
in like a like a loving way, like something happened between
the Dhamma and Herschel where he, I mean for lack of a better
he misses her for some reason and I don't know why.
Now, from the Dhamma's point of view, maybe Herschel reminds her

(42:56):
of someone she lost, and she's trying to replace that person in
her life that she lost with Herschel.
That's a good. Theory, Rachel.
Well, especially if she was an actor in the theater.
Maybe there was. There's a story there.
Maybe. Sure.
I mean, it doesn't even necessarily have to be a
relative like a, you know, a child or a grandchild or I don't

(43:19):
know, I don't. Know a long time ago.
She was, yeah. 17 years ago, shewould have been what she could
have been. She could my.
Late. Stage of her 38.
So nothing's off the table here,but sure, maybe it was a partner
in the theater, maybe it was a Co star that she misses, who
know? I don't know.
I, I'm not going to even theorize about who it could be.

(43:40):
I just think he reminds her of someone that she's trying to
replace. And they had a moment.
There was something between the two of them, a trust, a bond of
some kind that he was not threatened by.
Like I said, it doesn't seem like he's scared of her in any
way. He was looking at those pictures

(44:01):
and reminiscing. Yeah, longing is like the best
word that I can. Yeah, it's so funny because it's
off putting to me. I think you're not wrong, but
you're also not right because there's a lot of characters who
want things the way they were. They romanticize it or whatnot,
or or maybe they exaggerate based on what's been written
because they don't know. But there's also the people who

(44:21):
like things the way they are. I think Herschel is in the camp
of I like things the way they are and there's an opportunity
to keep going and the Dahmer represents that for him.
I think he describes the bridge having been caught as it was
about to collapse and it kind oftwists around.
He kind of romanticize, not romanticizes that, but he.
Does he does romanticize it? Well, romance refers to what

(44:43):
was, but I'm thinking of like hehe's enthralled by it about the
beauty and the darkness. Kind of like the World Beyond
vibes. The beauty and the darkness, the
twistedness and destruction. More like he wants that for
himself. Like he's.
Yeah. That's kind of what I'm
thinking. And wants to come out stronger
in the in the other end, which is deeper than a vaccination.
I don't want to say jealous. Jealous isn't the right word

(45:04):
either, but he. Well, there's like a desire.
It's a desire. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I could see it being envy. OK.
He envies the bridge. Like the concept of the bridge.
He envies that. And he sees maybe himself as the
bridge. He wants to be the bridge.
Kind of the vibes I got. He's manifesting the bridge.

(45:24):
I do wonder if this has something to do with the fact
that because he keeps bringing up that Maggie can't let go of
the past. So I wonder if it has something
to do with. That's what I was getting to,
because he keeps accusing his own mother, Maggie, of looking
at the past. Is it just because I'm Glenn's
kid, my father's kid? And then you go and you're
obsessed with me and you can't let it go.

(45:45):
This thing, this old thing. And he sees the domin.
This is the new thing. This is how I could.
This is The Walking Dead universe makes it something to
be in the. Person.
She's old. But with her oldness comes, I
don't know, the promise for a yeah, but also a promise of a
future that is his and that is holy.
I feel like in a way, just like you were saying about how you

(46:07):
want the old Negan back, they need who said?
That I was saying like that was a pointed kind.
I was saying Bridget was saying the show was making right.
Yeah. Isn't maybe Herschel going down
this path? Because I I had baked in some of
the comic idea of Herschel with the way the show's depicted
Herschelry. I've not seen that character at
all. I know, but I've wondered if

(46:28):
this is like that desire for thedarkness, if they're going to
like walk a line with this, likemaybe you incorporate some of
the things. What we saw tonight with we've
seen it before, but we they brought it back.
The entertainment with the walkers.
That is something that comic book Herschel does.

(46:48):
OK, OK, well let's stay here fora second because I just want to
close the thought because I justfeel like seeing Maggie as a
representation of what once was and the Dom is something
exciting, new, obsessive. We all want this we want.
But I feel like just like peopleare digging on like they I want
the Negan that was with the bat and the threatening Ness and the

(47:09):
maybe not the harem of wives, maybe not that.
I don't want that. That seems not a good thing to
like, right. Everybody hashtag me too.
We don't like it. We don't like that part.
Hashtag me too. Electric boogaloo.
Yeah, Yeah, you're right. You can see I brought it back,
Bridget. In the right way.
Jeez Louise. Oh yeah, that was the right way.

(47:29):
Yeah. Oh, sure.
Because I said me. Too electric boogaloo.
You have to has to rhyme. But I don't want to bring that
back. No, let's not bring it back.
Anyway. But just like that, in the same
fashion, they're kind of maybe even digging at the fans for
having this baked an idea of whoHerschel is, because even
Herschel's like, I don't want tobe who you think I am.

(47:50):
I'm not Glenn's kid. He didn't even know his father.
Yes. Do you feel threatened, Rachel?
Because it was interesting, because you bring you, even
saying it the way that you did was actually kind of cool
because it was like, oh wait, maybe we're bringing in some
biases that the audience was bringing about me, but we're
maybe bringing them into Herschel too.
Herschel wants to make carve hisown path.

(48:11):
I don't know, I'm a big believer, you know, nature over
nurturer. And I do think there's a certain
amount inherited from your parents.
And goodness, I'm going to hope that Herschel has the moral
compass his dad does. I want that for him, I really
do. I don't want it to go the other
route. I don't like it.
I'm not saying that it will. What I'm saying is I think it is

(48:34):
a path that he wants to carve himself.
Well. And that is, I would say, a
characteristic of Glenn as well,right?
He was very future driven. He was very much about building
something and he was always looking ahead where we see
Maggie's stuck on the past. I would like for this version of
Herschel for this to be less desire for wanting destruction,

(48:58):
destruction and it could be. Disjunction if he has an out.
Sorry, destruction. I don't know why I said it that
way. Shut up Dave.
Some bears and more the want forfreedom.
That's why he's got these rose colored glasses on about the
Dhamma and stuff is like the freedom that comes along.
Because his mother is very overprotective.

(49:21):
She's really worried about him always.
She always has to have an eye onhim.
As a teenager, you remember whatthat feels like to have your
parents like just up in your business all the time.
Rachel knows intimately well having one herself.
Both sides. Sometimes it was only like when
I got in trouble and then suddenly you're up in my
business. Otherwise you didn't care what I

(49:41):
was doing. But I could see that feeling
really restrictive to a teenager, especially in this
world where you have to learn how to protect yourself at such
a young age. So the the brain development is
completely different than the average person.
Kids can fight. Kids can fight.
That's. Crazy.
That's crazy. Well.
Most kids. Isn't that another thing Percy

(50:03):
wants? The way things were for his
kids, his wife, right? Yeah, some of it to bleed.
In and Arvis lives in this worldwhere it's like, no, no, well,
you can use some of the lessons that we picked up along the way
and have kids. We we can have child labor
anyway. Well, or you just view it as
everyone's pitching in, everyone's pitching in, Dave.
It's just the way you look at it.

(50:24):
The third carrot and stick. They take Negan to see the dama.
And it's all about I need you tolead and we need to bring these
tribes together. But I already told you.
I said no, we didn't. We have this conversation last
year when you first caught me. And she offers him a whiskey,
and then he says I'm a gin man myself.
OK, whatever. She gives him this cool gin
bottle. She's like listening to him.
That's cool. OK, fine.

(50:45):
Because this is too expensive for my taste.
He's basically saying this is her carrot.
And then she she's she goes off to the side trying to not blow
up at him and the cry pitches. And he's like, you know, just
think about it, Negan. You know, you could do this and
that and the other thing and you're here and the New Babylon
Federation, you know what they're like.
And if they come in here, they'll take you.

(51:06):
And. And then Dhama comes back and
she goes, yeah, about your family.
They're on their way here. So if you want to protect them,
you got to protect the city. Essentially.
That's the stick. Do you believe her?
I was. Good question.
That's a great question. Although he she was very
specific with the details. Now she it could be that they
bumped into the driver who actually did the delivery and

(51:29):
maybe they ended up making it there after all.
But it could be one of those things where like they know
where she is and pick Annie and Joshua up eventually, and maybe
not immediately because the actress is cast on the, I don't
know, probably not. And this may end up happening
like within the course of very few days.
Spoil that if she does show up, I would love to be surprised by

(51:51):
that. I want that to be a complete and
utter shock. That would.
Be me too a. Nominal singer to keep.
Yeah, I do not want to know. Don't spoil yourselves.
That might actually get me up out of my seat.
OK, two things. First, the Walker fight.
Yes, I I need some clarificationbecause at first I was like, I
was like, these dudes like suck at fighting.

(52:13):
Like I didn't realize they were even walkers at first.
Why are they suck at fighting? And then I realized they're all
like cheering for walkers who are fighting each other.
And then I'm like, why are they going after each other and not
the people surrounding them? Yeah, I thought that was
interesting too. Question because I don't know

(52:33):
the answer that either but I canmake excuses but that bothered
me on 1st watch. All I could think was maybe, but
there was meat strapped to them that.
Was okay. I was thinking fresh.
Blood. Maybe.
Maybe. Yeah.
But then it's like, how do you get the did they?
Are they sacrificing people to cover these walkers in blood?

(52:55):
But again, there's people surrounding them cheering.
Why are they not immediately going for?
It was very confusing. I wasn't sure.
It was so dark I couldn't reallytell what was happening.
Yeah, of course, the scene itself was just dark.
I love The Walking Dead, but there are moments where you're
like, what is happening on screen right now?
You know, like it's always been that way.

(53:16):
Where you're like, oh, I got to turn off the rightness.
This was one of those scenes where I was like, what is
happening? How is he stabbing him?
Oh, there's something on his head.
It was pretty cool. I was.
Like, I was like, what's happening?
So it was hard to just gauge what was going on.
That was all I could think was yeah, as their blood or flesh.
Right. I could not understand why

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they're going after each other. That's why I thought it was like
2 drunk dudes fighting. I'm like, they suck at this.
It reminded me of the governor. Well, yeah, the fight this
reminded. Me of the governor.
Yeah, this so it. Was people fighting for walkers?
It was, but there was a fightingpit.
And that's, that's very much what this reminded me of because
we don't get a ton of this in the TV show, but if you've read

(53:58):
the comic books or the novels, really go into detail on this.
The fighting pits are very, very, very violent.
When Lily and Josh come in to the group and they're trying to
become accustomed to Woodbury, this is the most appalling thing
to them is this fighting pit. Everything else seems fair,

(54:18):
really normal, except for the fact that some of the people are
like, really mean. They can't really figure out
like why they're being so horrible.
What people though? The people in Woodbury,
residents, yeah, like residents.There's just some pretty awful
people in Woodbury. It doesn't matter.
It's not even the governor. It's like other.
It's tangential characters that don't matter in the long run.

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They affect the story, but that's really it.
The fighting pits are really appalling.
Like Lily is like disgusted by its existence and does not
understand why people so they'reand they have their kids there.
They bring their children to watch this stuff happen and it's
gross. This is what that reminded me of
was that like the in the novels have these really vivid
descriptions of like what's going on.

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And that's what this scene really reminded me of, was that
that. Concept of blowing off.
Steam with something so brutal, which is part of human history.
Right. And if you think about it, all
these warring tribes in New YorkCity, how else would they get
together if not for a bloodbath that isn't them?

(55:20):
Which is great. They take it out on the walkers
instead of them. But then, but the walkers
themselves, none of that's in the books.
None of that's in TV. The logic is eluding or elusive.
So the only thing I could think of was that if they do pour
flesh, flesh blood on the backs of their heads, because it's the

(55:41):
only thing I could think of. The killing blow was made to the
back of the head. Yes, in Fear The Walking Dead
Season 6 Episode 2, we go through the painful process of
the five senses of walkers as opposed to people in the
strongest sense is the sense of scent.
The irony of which is that the sense of smell is the first

(56:01):
thing to go as you get older. Fascinating.
But the scent of blood is the first instinct for walkers in
terms of feeding or finding food.
It's baffling to me that you know what episode that's in.
Because we broke it down. And so that's, let's see, you
weren't there. It's fine.
You know, we should watch it. I even the breakdowns, I can't,
I can't remember like, oh, this was it's.

(56:22):
Just what happens when you take notes?
It's just gets stuck in here somehow.
I do take notes. It's it's OK, I.
Just fear season 6. Fear The Walking Dead season 6
episode 2. Sorry, it's the the Molasses
factory. Walking Dead, do you?
Remember when Victor sacrificed Sanjay?
Yes, that was how they were ableto because everybody's yelling
around. It was like he just like Sanjay
in the leg. And then the walkers all of a

(56:42):
sudden turn around. And from this we learn the five
senses of Walker is the sense ofsmell of blood.
And the blood is so much becausethe sight is the last sense.
They can't see very well, but they can sure as hell smell
blood. So if they poured blood on the
back of the backs of their headsand they're like, man, I want
that blood. I just want to get at it.
And they're bumping into it because they want to get around
it. So that's the only thing I can

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think of. If they if they cut somebody and
they put some fresh blood and itwas like, OK, let's go at it and
they're yelling. But that it really boggled my
mind because I really wish therewas more of a storytelling way
of showing how this was even possible.
That's the closest I could get is to actually try to explain it
away and it makes me comfortable.
You can't see anything. If they were showing it with the

(57:24):
anticipation that we'd be able to figure it out, I I'm sorry
dude, I can't see it. You made the scene so dark, I
literally cannot see anything. It's a moment where I would have
liked a little bit of exposition.
You could give me a little bit there to tell me what's going
on. I mean, they're obviously
betting on. Clearly, but then I was like,
did each of them contribute a Walker?
Is this like a battle bot situation?

(57:45):
Well it seems like each faction brought their own Walker, right?
And then whoever won, they walked away with grocery carts
full of stuff. Yeah, right.
You see them walk carting off the stuff.
But then there was that extra shot where Kim's like.
Bruegel is his name. That's the Bruegel that they
mentioned made the farmers market quote UN quote.

(58:06):
Oh, that's Bruegel. OK, that's what I figured.
He looked quite. Regal.
Well dressed I have to say. He also does soccer mom hand in
the theater, which just. Well, suck the arm.
So, OK, for me, it's for me, it's when you're driving.
This is very old people thing todo when you're driving and your

(58:26):
kids in the front seat, which isnow not so much of a thing and
you you have to hit the brake suddenly you pulled your arm
out, yes. He did it to protect the person
next to them, as in. Flame throwing the audience.
Yeah, when they were doing the flamethrower, he's like that.
He's like a guest. So sweet.
Just it killed me. I was like, what?
His reactions to Negan initially, that was what killed

(58:47):
me, was like, oh he loves. Negan.
Oh, I know. I was excited.
I'm excited for this character. I'm.
Very excited for these future scenes between the two of them.
It's going to be great. It's.
Very mixed because when Christosis let's close the book on the
whole arena thing because of course he goes money plays with
his hands and it's to Christos because Christos is the guy who

(59:10):
was with the battle bots and it was him and Brugel who were
fighting. They're walkers and Brugel
obviously has the big Walker andand he lost it, which is why
when they go back to the Damas for their nightcap, quote UN
quote, he's the first one to getit because he's very upset about
losing this big bet that he musthave placed on this Walker pit
fight. So Kim Coates refers to his

(59:30):
character as a dandy. Oh yeah, I get that.
I could. See that, his clothing, his
demeanor, and maybe we'll get more of that, I think in a
second, but you get a little bitof it at the end when he's
looking at Radio City Music Hall.
Light up. The one thing I want to tell you
about that before I forget is hesteps out, looks straight ahead
and sees the lights. That is incorrect.

(59:52):
Saint Patrick's Cathedral is on 50th and oh, maps.
It's just a logistical thing. It's it's a it's a reasonable
mistake, but it's wrong. So the entrance is it could only
be this entrance on 50th and just off the corner of 5th Ave.
What he should have done was turned right.

(01:00:14):
So if he turned right, he would have looked to his right and it
would have been 50th and 6th is where Radio City Music Hall is.
And that's assuming there's no tree line.
The avenues are very long or at least a quarter mile or
something. I don't I.
I'm talking out of school. I don't know exactly but it's
pretty far away. So assuming the trees have all
long since rotted away and what he would be able to see that

(01:00:36):
sign but it would be to his right because Radio City musical
is on 50th and 6th Ave. So looking ahead was the wrong
move. Take notice, Dead City.
Take notice. All right, good to know.
Also the arena where they were fighting the battle bots.
Battle Walkers, and that is shaky too.
I'm going to show you why. There's one thing it's funny

(01:00:57):
that they call it a farmer's market, and this is the only
reason why I'm bringing up this image.
The Plaza that they're referringto where the Battle Walkers
happens is W 57th St. and 10th Ave.
I'm really glad you live in New York, Dave, because otherwise we
would have no contacts for any of this.
I don't think I would care either.
I would just believe everything that's.
I would just blindly believe what they're telling me, but
it's nice to know. Like the actual construction of

(01:01:20):
it. OK, here you see this OK, Croat
is pointing down at the map. Yep yes, he's pointing to the X
that that's 57th and 10th, if I'm not mistaken.
Yes, you can actually see it yeah, W 57th and 10th Ave. and
yes, it literally they do host afarmers market in that general
vicinity. The problem is when you actually

(01:01:41):
look, get that area and you dropyourself into the Street View of
Google Maps, it's just an intersection.
There's no park. And maybe they could walk left
or right, but the park isn't bigenough, I don't think.
I did look, there's another parknearby.
It's very, very small. There's no overhang where you
can look down and like where Bruegel's going.

(01:02:02):
Money, please. There's none of that.
So I wish they could have, but it's hard, right?
You're trying to find a place that where you can do battle
bots with walkers and, you know,where are you going to do it?
Yeah, I don't know, Like they could have chosen Riverside
Park. But the problem is you want to
choose a location that's close enough to Saint Patrick's
Cathedral, which is, like I said, E 50th and 5th Ave.

(01:02:22):
This is a small walk. You've walked in New York City,
Rachel. It's it's actually quite close
when you think about it. You.
Can cover a lot of ground. Yeah, now with walkers in the
way, it might be more difficult.You don't have clear kind of
site, Roads might be blocked off, there might be sinkholes
everywhere. You know, little traps for the
walkers themselves, like we talked about in the first few
episodes. Why are there traps for walkers

(01:02:45):
now? We know traps for walkers
because of the methane. It's good to finally say that
out loud because we never went back to that.
Now you do know that it's actually a literal farmers
market that gets hosted. I love that.
No, that's fine. That's like.
Better for doing it. Yeah, a little nod to that green
market. It's the first image that shows
up the Google Maps. So what's AB and another B word

(01:03:06):
that we can use for that battle?Bloats.
Battle what? Yeah.
Or just riffing? Yeah.
Well, hold on. Like other words for walkers.
Battle. Yeah, bag of bone battles.
There's a list. Battle bags.
Bone. Bag bottle battles.
So battle bag of bones, yeah. Fighters.
Fighters battle biters. Fighter battles.
Which biters? Biters was the Woodbury name for

(01:03:30):
them, wasn't it? Yeah.
It was fighters, so that's right.
Merle even uses that a couple times too, to kind of.
I'm a Woodbury person. No, he never.
He would never talk like that. I'm trying to see the only other
one that starts with AB is Battle.
Bruegels. It's a balance brigade.
Apparently they're called that at one point.
I don't know. Must have been the world beyond.

(01:03:53):
Oh, here, AMC put out a list. Yeah.
You had a second. Fighter spiders would be the
only. Yeah, biter bot biter battle
biters. This seems like a very small and
trivial thing, but I think it has deep meaning and I'm
interested to know what you guysthink the significance of

(01:04:14):
Herschel throwing sidearm at theend.
When he kept continually throwing.
Maggie makes a point to tell himto throw overhand, but in the
end he does better and more accurate sidearm.
So in my notes it says he tried to go overhand but in the end
he'll be underhanded. But it was.

(01:04:35):
I mean, you know, poetic license.
I'm wondering if it's just to further illustrate their
differences and the need for himto have a different path.
Well, like conventional wisdom versus do what works, Yeah, and
carve your own carve with a literal knife.
Your own path. You know, and she grew up in our
world and then had to transitioninto this world.

(01:04:57):
She's been very successful in this world, but she's also had a
lot of loss and a lot of pain. He's just growing up in this
world. It's just to illustrate that
difference again, to say there'sa level of disconnect here that
we don't fully understand yet. Right.
Yeah, I like the idea of him taking his own path and being
good at it. Not just I'm going to do the

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opposite of what my mom says, but that it's working out in his
favor as well. Do it works?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.I want it to be positive.
I don't want comic book Herschel.
I really don't want. No, yeah, no.
And I think the more we tossed, the more I am.
Annoying Like don't do that. Don't, don't want to?
Well. Especially because he sprung
from the loins of a character whom you really love.

(01:05:38):
And so it's hard to kind of see all that sacrifice, all that
pain, all that depth going to bethe.
Worst. Now we don't know, but I think I
don't know for me, all of us talking together and even going
through my notes and going through this episode, I don't
see that. I just.
I just see somebody who is in love with being in this world
and what it could offer him. Yeah, Instead of the old ways,

(01:06:00):
which is like, it's all you know, Mom, I guess that's all
you know. But there's other ways of
thinking about this. Maybe this will end up being
that he's going to be more like Negan.
Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not saying like Negan
like we know him before, but like Negan now.
Poetic. Injustice, truly irony,
essentially. Boiled down, it's probably the
reason why he hates him so much is that you hate in others what

(01:06:23):
you hate in yourself. That sort of situation he.
Doesn't really know Negan well enough.
Remember, he met he met us when he was a kid.
Yeah, but briefly. Complex, yeah, yeah.
Heart to heart, yeah. It did enter my mind though,
that what you're saying is on the money, Bridget, because I
was thinking, could the Dhamma need Herschel because she sees

(01:06:44):
something in him similar to Negan, maybe even a leadership,
because you wouldn't expect leadership from Herschel.
You don't know Herschel and the Dhamma is kind of like Negan.
First of all, how did Negan managed to overpower or convince
all these people to do the saviors sanctuary thing similar
to that? Because even Crystal says it.
Skinny old white guy telling me what to do and everybody's

(01:07:07):
laughing because I'm laughing. He was brutal and he was
charismatic. OK.
And maybe the Dhamma's the same way, and maybe she sees that in
Herschel. We haven't seen the charisma
from the Dhamma, but based on the infatuation that her
followers carry, it has to be there somewhere.
Yeah, I'm not seeing it. We know the actress from Ozark
and I can see it. She's so good.

(01:07:29):
I do want to see more from her in the series though, because
it's been tamped down. I would like to see a little bit
of what happened between her andHerschel so that I can see where
this longing comes from. It's isn't it similar to, OK,
you can draw a bleak mirror between the dama in Herschel and

(01:07:49):
Maggie in Herschel because of that time skip.
There's undoubtedly so many stories that Maggie and Herschel
had on the road and all that stuff, but we also don't have
this story between the dama and Herschel.
And we get a little bit and she does have a keepsake from him,
but we don't have that story. Not completely.
What was it about their conversations that we're

(01:08:10):
missing? I feel like we'll get both as we
go through this. I hope we get both because
that's the key to unlock the fans to actually see Matt
because I see it, Rachel, she's not much of A hero.
She's got a hero complex. She's not likable.
And all these could be true for a lot of people in the fandom.
But I think in giving us what happened between that time skip,

(01:08:32):
you could they started doing it in the bonus episodes of season
10 and you do get a picture of what how horrible it was for
her. But it wasn't enough.
We know that because of the way people are acting now.
And I do hope we can get to the root of maybe this villain
complex that I think she has andher reason for keeping everybody
safe and sacrificing herself or her child.

(01:08:53):
She says it out loud. We do what we do.
I do what I do to make sure thatyou don't have to do it.
I'll take it all on. And I get that to a certain
extent also you, but you called it out.
You're like, that's not how theyshould work.
Kids can fight they. Should, yeah.
Can I didn't say should you tellit to your son?

(01:09:14):
Right. She's Maggie calls it out too
because she calls up Armstrong and she says where's your wife
and kid? Why aren't they being
conscripted? Oh, banality of evil deaths.
I felt like this was a really strong premiere episode for a
season. I don't know how you guys felt
about it. I really want to see the next
episode. Absolutely.

(01:09:35):
I don't know how you feel about that 6 episodes of the season if
that's all that we're getting. I know.
I'm just happy that we're getting more of the intellectual
properties. I just talked with Tiqir about
this the other day. You know, people like argue over
like which one was the best or whatever, and like, I don't care
because I love The Walking Dead.So I'm glad that we're getting
anything that extends these characters that I love.

(01:09:56):
So it doesn't really matter to me.
I don't, I don't care which one is the best.
It doesn't matter. I like all of them.
I like that they're still on. But I am excited for this
season. Something about this made me
feel like, yeah, I, I want to watch this.
I have to watch it 'cause we're doing a podcast, but I want to
watch it. Well, you don't have to.
You don't have to watch it. But to your point, the thing I

(01:10:17):
like the most about this is it would be one thing if we got it
and it's great and whatnot or not great and I don't want to
watch it. But what I like about it is it
certainly like the first season where you're like, how are they
going to wrap this up in 6 episodes?
They did and how? And it gave us something to talk
about. Look at how much we've already
talked about. And I don't even think we

(01:10:38):
scratched the surface. My thought is the fact that they
give us something to talk about.We could be making excuses and
not talking about much, but there is a lot to talk about.
There's history to draw upon that is playing out here.
There's resolutions that still. Wow, I feel like I'm saying the
same thing over again from The Walking Dead.
Daryl Dixon Season 2 Carol had alot of unresolved stuff from the

(01:11:00):
end of The Walking Dead. It.
Looks like that you could go on and you could move on from that
point, but honestly, there's so much unresolved stuff how all
her children seem to die and sheyou that drama played out in
season 2 a little bit. We get the representation of
that in the season 2 finale. I still don't think it's over.
I still I think it's been confronted, but now we've got to

(01:11:22):
exorcise the demons. But here, similar to that, we're
bringing in season 9 vibes. We're bringing in the reasons
why she left, why her attitude has shifted, why she is way
overprotective over Herschel. And it's perfectly reasonable on
one level, but it's unreasonableon another level.
And I think in the pursuit of figuring that out, we're going
to get some answers, some long overdue answers about Maggie and

(01:11:44):
maybe a path forward to us. I would say most of us actually
having sympathy for her or figuring her out or maybe
connecting with her again after having not been connected since
she left the the show. That's my hope in bringing in
the Season 9 vibes. I think they can do it.
I just want to see where they gowith it.
I'm bringing back one dirty wordthat I I don't think you're

(01:12:06):
going to enjoy. But I think one of the biggest
takeaways or biggest surprises that I got from this season was
the fact that New Babylon Federation took over the bricks
wasn't. That that they forced them into
a agreement. And here's The Dirty word
tranquillitus ordinance thing you hated hearing when I brought

(01:12:26):
it up and obsessed over. It's literally written on this
poster that's right here. Really.
In my house, to my right is. It the Negan wanted poster.
It is. There's a stamp on it that says
New Babylon Federation. It's got like a wheat symbol.
Which is on the on the sign outside of the bricks too.
It's 3 wheat symbols, the centerone which is bigger and it's

(01:12:47):
encircled. Oh interesting, it's 5.
In that year, OK, interesting. It is encircled.
It's interesting, maybe the three wheat symbols means that
it's a colony member or what not.
Colonialism, Imperialism, I mean, how are you also going to
get people to do The Dirty work?Right.
Well, I just wanted to say what I wrote for PDI was post dead
infestation. OK.

(01:13:08):
Yeah, yeah. Tranquility Ordinance we conquer
in order to make peace and progress is a train that doesn't
stop. Can't be stopped typically.
This is my thinking is that you have like an unstoppable force,
progress meeting with an immovable object, and I'm
wondering what happens after that, because who is going to
win typically would be progress.You've got the Luddites over

(01:13:31):
here in Manhattan, technically, because when the spotlight goes
on to Negan, that's a new thing for them, electricity, that's a
new thing for this, let's say, community, but it's not much of
1. Cracked.
But you could make an argument that it's flipped though, to
Dave that New Babylon is holdingon to the old and that Manhattan
is the new. So they're both immovable

(01:13:53):
objects and unstoppable forces. Yeah, I think, I think that's
kind of the point that's supposed to feel fluid, like
either one could be the one that's progress.
They're both going to see themselves as the one offering
progress. Well, just like and again it
goes back to. You're the hero in your own
story. Kind of thing that too.
Well, I mean, I think the tribesof Manhattan don't see

(01:14:14):
themselves that way. But I mean, they want to win,
they want to be the victors. So even if it's not a hero
necessarily, that's just the cliche but.
But more so the the definition is more apt for New Babylon.
The idea of those who cloak themselves in virtue are often
the villains, right, That whole idea.
I bring this up only to save thefollowing because when Benjamin

(01:14:37):
Pierce, the historian guy was talking about the power lines
and I feel like I'm getting ahead of myself and our eyes
shuts him down. He's just like, don't you have
something to do? And then Charlie Bird says she's
just jealous because you're going to have the most important
job, your discoveries and historian writings, they're
going to be the thing that's themost productive or the most

(01:14:57):
important. But it's like, no, it's not.
It's the methane. It's giving al althea.
From Feel The Walking Dead yes, it's giving Al.
Yeah, this whole like, it's important to document what's
happening for those who come later, OK.
Everyone keeps dying though so like it's just not that serious

(01:15:17):
but. Well, I'm not focused on the Ben
part. I'm focusing on the Charlie Byrd
politician part. It's the idea that, oh, yours is
the most important role. Meanwhile, it's the methane.
It's the methane. It's all about methane.
Yeah. Isn't that like this weird
parallel between like, oh, we'reinvading Iraq?
It was like, it's about topplingA dictator.
It's like, no. It's about.

(01:15:37):
The oil fields. It's about the oil fields.
Of justice. Is it Jolie porn?
Is it JKJK? Everybody?
Sorry I just finished editing the episode and it's releasing
in a couple. It's actually releasing in 1/2
hour. The only other thing I wanted to
talk about was Dasha, but. Major Narvaez.
I don't have time to say all thewonderful things I want to say

(01:15:59):
about her and. We'll, we'll probably get more.
Everyone really feels that way. Honestly, I think I'm excited
just to see her in something else.
I am too. I mean, she's done other things,
but just for her to be in something else that I love is
cool. The connective tissue between
The Walking Dead and Orange is the New Black now is the most
exciting part. Like I'm like, yes, you are a
part of our world now. You're in the same universe.

(01:16:22):
Orange is the New Black is. It did take place in New York
Penitentiary, so maybe it did. There is one thing I really want
you to be here for because in the episode or Insider, there
was a funny bit. We go back to the cockroaches
and Egan's eating the plate of them.
And of course they're made of like chocolate and custard and
whatnot. However, not all of them were.
And that was because Mikey Satrazemis wanted to play a

(01:16:45):
prank on Jeffrey Dee Morgan. He first of all, he goes, can we
make one of them more juicy so that when he bites into it kind
of sprays out? He goes, no, but I can do you
one better. I can get you actual
cockroaches. And the reason why this actually
worked was because to your point, Bridget, everything is so
dark. Jeffrey D Morgan said to
himself, when I'm doing these scenes, I'm practically blind.

(01:17:08):
I do my glasses. There's no glasses in the
apocalypse. So he's eating these things and
he's like, oh, this is it's not my favorite, but it's fine.
And then he'll bite into a few and he's doing the scene.
It's real cooked, properly cooked cockroaches and he's
eating them. He's like Yum, Yum, Yum.
And he was like, what the F? And he's like, there's swear
words and they're bleeping it out.
It's like these guys, it's crude.

(01:17:29):
It's like they're they're the worst.
They're the worst. And Mikey's like, yeah, I just
thought, you know, just thought maybe we could make one of them
real and get the money shot. So kudos to Mikey, our friend,
half of them. I there was a handful of them
that were not. Oh my gosh, they were.
A handful that were not it's very funny.

(01:17:50):
They were they were real sorry. It's.
Awesome. It's holdover from Walking Dead
too, because if you didn't know,The Walking Dead cast used to
play pranks on each other very frequently.
Big time, yeah. The cast, but now it's executive
producer. It's bleeding into producers.
Executive producer, by the way, Michael Satrazemus and director

(01:18:12):
of this episode. So how about that?
He this is this is great. I love this for him.
And also there's a little bit ofa power dynamic here.
So, Mikey, maybe that wasn't thebest thing to do.
You'll eat these cockroaches andyou'll like it and you'll see.
It's. 20 later, it was fantastic.
An article that was written about Jeopardy Morgan saying I'm

(01:18:33):
getting too old to play this role even though this has been
the major thing in my life for Idon't know how long.
However, people took this meaning to be Jeopardy Morgan is
actually exiting the show in Season 2.
Now. It's a stretch because what he
was saying basically is I think this is going to be the thing I
do until I retire, but people are making this a quote to to
mean he's planning on retiring soon.

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Something to that effect, real or not real or imagined a link
to it in our blog at some point when I do the blog, but you
decide for yourself or maybe by the time I post the blog this
season are to be done. He's still on the show for
season 3. So which is what we're all
assuming probably, unless they hope do the whole Rick thing.
Oh, I said the I said it out loud.
Rick being involved in New Babylon.
No, that's everyone's predictiononline.

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Oh, really? And by everyone I mean the
loudest dude. Anyway, it's fine.
Which was what they said about every spin off the dead.
Correct 100. Percent Dixon.
You've been. You've been wrong before.
You're going to be wrong again. Tales of The Walking Dead You
can only throw so much spaghettiat the wall until you eventually
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That's PUNKYBRUISETER. Thanks for joining us for this
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Freely, which is originally doneby Hello in 1975, kind of cool.
It's about opportunity, it's about having fun.
They're talk about sinisterness.Anyway, that's it.
Hollow version is better. I'm going to say it.
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Bye. Thank you so much for making it
to the end of yet another episode of Squawking Dead.
This one, The return of The Walking Dead.
Dead City, it's sophomore seasonpremiere titled Power Equals
Power. I just want to let you know that
we are entering a new season of evil.
It's not quite 3 episodes a week, but between the end of

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Dark Winds and just getting it out in time before Dead City and
now Dead City in The Last of Us overlapping and us going to the
camp on Memorial Day weekend, Wow, Dead City is running.
We've got our work cut out for us.
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I hope you still enjoyed it. I think the quality is still the
same, it's just I've cut out a lot less than I normally would
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I am definitely glad that The Walking Dead Dead City is back.

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I'm really, really interested inseeing if they follow through on
what I've been saying are season9 vibes and maybe reconnecting
the fans with Maggie again. All these overlapping narratives
calling back to previous episodes of The Walking Dead.
It's like we're reliving historyand yet we're moving.
Look at that. I'm even talking about the
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in our merch store that we released during the first
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for the second season, though. I think we might add a art
design for this year. You can either find links in the
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Like I said, we're trying to getthese episodes out a lot sooner.
We are going to be sacrificing alittle bit of quality, not audio
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