Hell In A Mell | Stick to the Gimmick (Ep. 109)

Spencer and Marty do their first in-person show in months with a special post-NXT Takeover breakdown.

Episode Transcript

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Special special Edition. I'll stick tothe gimmick for you here. Marty and
I are finally back together, lookingat each other eye to eye so he
can see happiness on my face ashe sighs and wants to punch it.

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Ladies and Gentlemen, STTG back forepisode one hundred nine post Takeover edition.
We did things a little differently thisweek. We decided to watch the show
together, and since it was aSunday and it happened at seven pm,
we're like, hey, why notget together. We'll probably do the same

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thing for Backlash, honestly, butwe're not gonna do post recording for that
because we don't handle things that aren'tNXT. But it was cool. We
got done watching Takeover just a coupleof minutes ago, and we're gonna just
go through the event itself, butit's fresh in our minds, talk about
things we liked that. We didn'ttalk a little bit about the NXT Cruiser

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Right Championship Tournament final and some thingsthat happened on that episode. And then
of course we're gonna get right backinto our brackets where we were in the
Elite eight now and narrow it downto our final four. So before we
get going, like tell you weare a part of the BTR podcast network.
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So our favorite thing to do tostart to show, To start the show,

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Marty, how are you good?And he's back, ladies and gentlemen.
So U just finished up Takeover aswe were saying, we're gonna start
out with the main event because that'sthe thing that's freshest in our mind.
It was the triple Threat Women's Championshipmatch between Charlotte Flair defending against Eoshiai and

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Riha Ripley. So let's start itoff with you Marty thoughts on the match
overall, and then we'll get intothe nuts and bolts. It was.
I thought it was okay, Like, I definitely don't think that any match
of the night was like barn Burnerlike usual takeover style match, and this

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one, Like there was some slowfucking moments in that match, man,
Like some sloppy slow moments where like, for instance, when Charlotte set them
up for the double moonsalt in thecorner and she was tripping over them and
like you could literally hear her gaspingfor air she was winded or yeah,
injured or something. There was alot of moments where it was just like

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sloppy slow, Like even and Imight even the commentary all night too was
fucking sloppy, Like we'll get intothat Marrow might have had a couple of
drinks or something before eat right theshow. Yeah, but it wasn't bad.
I don't think it was great.You said it was, you were
you wanted it to be a fivestar match. Definitely not a five star

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match. Did not make that nope. Um. But I am glad that
we got the title off of Charlotte, like fucking thank you. Um.
Although I do think Rhea's character frompre Charlotte is like tears lower now than

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it was like a feud with Charlotte. The lost the distance and then coming
back to lose again hurts a lotfor her, who was like they literally
had a rocket to her before shelost to Charlotte. Yeah, I'm interested
to see if where Riha goes fromhere as well. Some points of the
match that I thought we were gonnathe EO spot at the top of the

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house doing the cross body was reallynice. There were a few of like
the double spear by Charlotte was prettysolid. Ria sold the natural selection well,
which is not usually happening. Riahad the rip tide off the top

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turn buckle, which was the falsefinish that happened there. EO to get
the to get the win itself.She missed, but she didn't like when
you look on the replay, shemoonsalted onto Riya's head nater right in the
head literally her uh her left kneecaught Riha on the side of the face

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hopefully rhas okay. I thought thespot was gonna be because Charlotte had the
figure aid in that EO was gonnahit the moon salt on her and that
would have looked pretty devastating too,because Charlotte had the bridge, but they
didn't want Charlotte to take the pinand that's just WWE Charlotte stuff. Um.
But Ria getting the wind pinning pinguh or Eo getting the wind pinning

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Riha. That was solid. Thatwas solid. I liked. I like
that. But the match itself,it was it was a little slappy at
times, uh and it just seemedlike um there. There was actually another
good spot too, where Charlotte threwRiha into the plexiglass um, but it
just seemed it seemed kind of alittle disjointed. Yeah, maybe that's the

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word I'm looking for. You alsomissed Charlotte slip into into the turn buckle,
the missed spear and oh yeah thatwas nasty. That was nasty.
But yeah, for me, theydid that. They did the submission pin
spot again. Oh where it doesn'tmake sense. Why didn't chartte like Charlotte
was technically pinning Ria as well whilethe while EO was pinning her because she

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still had the figure four locked in. Yeah, granted she was breaking it
up, so you could make thatargument. But they did the submission pin
spot again. I also liked thatthey had Charlotte bring the kinda state and
Kenda stick into the equation because shewas getting frustrated. That's vintage Charlotte.
Yeah, just getting pissed and notbeing able to get at the job done
the right way. But moving forwardthough, I think it's I think we
get Rio Ria EO still. Ithink that's still the feud for the title,

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and I really hope Charlotte fucks rightoff. I hope and she doesn't
stick around in the title picture atall. I hope that she's not in
the women's division at all. Ihope she just fucks right back off to
the main roster. I thought shedid Hella good work at the time,
like she I mean, it's notthat she put anybody over, but it's
that she literally put no one overas the as the reigning champion. She

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worked with a lot of the developmentaltalent and gave him a chance to shine
with her. That's that's what Ithink was the ultimate goal of having Charlotte
as the NXET champion and then havingEo, even though she doesn't pin Charlotte,
but being in a match with Charlotteand winning the NXET title in a
match with Charlotte, I think thathas more credibility to it than it would

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have EO winning it from somebody else. I guess. I mean that that's
just to me. It's just itmakes you capable of being like, oh,
well, she didn't pin Charlotte,so it's she didn't get that strong
win because she didn't pin Charlotte.Yeah, soil she but she she literally
put no one over her the entiretime she had that nxety title. She

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put not a single person over.Yeah. That's surprising, is it?
Though? That's the that's the oppositeRandy, right there? Is that not?
That's just l L. Charlotte wins, and I will stick to that.
She put no one over the entiretime. It's fun. It was
pointless. That was the most pointlessreign I've seen in a long time.
Charlotte's gonna have a sixth Star matchwith Oscar once Oscar's done with Naya,
don't worry, and then and thenOscar oscill win. Oscar win in that

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one, will she? Though,yes, I'll say that. Shout out
to Charlotte Flair. Uh, Marty, why don't you pick the next one
that we dissect here? We havefive other matches from the carton. I
mean, let's just go from thelast match to the first match and talk
about the three way women's tag.Okay, so we had the six women's
tag. It was, oh god, this is gonna be hard SHOTSI Blackheart

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Tea and Knox and Meam Mia magainst Candice Leray, Rackel, Gonzalez and
Dakota Kai Boom. Got that allright. Um. I didn't have high
expectations for this. It was kindof something they threw together and it stuck
to the wall. Definitely went intothe match expecting it to be the worst
match of the night, and Idon't think it was. I really don't.
Um. I didn't have high expectationsfor it at all. I just

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thought, you know, this isn'tgonna be great, and I thought it
was average. So I think itwas. It wasn't a Wednesday night exactly.
It was a match. Yeah,yeah, And I will say my
takeaway from this match is that RoquelGonzalez is what you want a monster women's

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wrestler to be. Like. Sheis the perfect like like big, brutal
woman's wrestler that they have right now. And she's almost playing like a like
the role of a diesel like abodyguard. Yeah, you know, like
something like that, like she's whatthey want Nia, Like that's what they're
they want Nia Jacks to be thislike bruiser big woman. Roquel Gonzalez has

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that going for her, and she'slike improved significantly since she was the cow
bell toting like yeah, yeah,yeah. And I definitely think that she's
got like a decent future out ofher because like if she can keep that
up, like I mean, she'lleventually break free from Dakota and you'll get

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that little mini feud and then Ithink that if they can keep the you
know, monster or woman wrestler goingwith her, she could be a solid
heel wrestler like in the main eventdown the line. And this is the
second thing we were talking about becauseI was I was just watching Tiguan wrestling,
and I was like, she's reallygood. I feel like Tigan needs
a turn to really get that spunkup because she moves faster than she moved

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faster than most people in that match. She's really good with her cadences in
her timing. Marty doesn't like thechoke slam. That's whatever thing for me.
I think if it's sold, well, it's fine. But but I
saw I saw a good comment,right it. When I was looking,
it's it almost comes across as acomedy spot because she's five five and doing
a choke slam. It's like theHerr choke. Yeah, that's exactly what
it comes across as. Okay,but like, you know, the shiny

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the shiniest wizard stuff, the teamkicks stuff. I was just spitballing with
Marty when we were watching the show, and I was like, it'd be
cool if they kind of maybe hadTeagan turned to the dark side and joined
Dakota Kai and we would have ayou know, heel team kick or something
like that. I mean, obviouslythere's the ties to Rakal Gonzalez right now,
but you know, in the future, I feel like that could work
really well. But I just likeTigan's work and I think that she she's

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probably gonna be the one that sticksout there, uh as far as a
face goes, Yeah, to getto the top. Next shots, he's
shots, He's good and all.Um, She's still got a little bit
of ways to go. And thenyou have Mia. Mia has gotten opportunities.
We can't say that she hasn't.Now she's been on the show a
lot. Yeah, still not particularlymultiple title matches, I think, yeah.
And it's not that I'm particularly afan of her, honestly, Like,

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it's just, uh, I justdon't and I don't want to come
out the wrong way. I knowhow hard she works, and we've been
over this this mountain a lot.I just it's just not connecting with me
for some reason. I don't knowif it's because she seems like she's moving
slower than the rest of the women, or if she just seems like a
little bit lethargic. Um, Butbut that's just not it's just not hitting

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with me. And I know it'sit's easy to say that when you know
you're nerd and abasement recording a podcast. Uh So if anybody you know comes
back at me, I'll understand.It's just as a fan, it's just
not coming not clicking with me.And uh, it's been almost it's been
a year, probably at least.I think it might be a little longer.
Yeah, a little longer than that. So well, we'll see where

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that goes. Um. And thenas far as the heel stuff with Candice
Leray, I think that's still upwork in progress, but I feel like
she's gonna be able to really capturethat on her side too, I hope
so man, and what like yousaid with ten though, she's just she's
your bubbly, generic woman's face.Yeah, I mean, like that's it.

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It's kind of beat for beat whatthe character is like, nothing really
sets her apart from your generic bubblywomen's wrestler. And that's what like Alexa
came in as too, Like Alexacame in the same way and then they
turned her heel and then boom,She's rocket to the sky. Um.
All right, So since since we'reon that handis let's let's go to Johnny

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and Keith. I thought that thiswas solid and so with me and Marty
were talking about was seeing Keith inthe ring with somebody other than Damian Priest
and Dominic djer Covid. Seeing himin the ring with somebody who's smaller than
him and has the perfect I wantto say, like rhythm or you know,

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uh, you know timing that Keithworks with. Like, for instance,
Johnny goes for you know, sometopez and Keith will catch him like
he's he caught him multiple times inthe power bomb position. Um, you
know, like the catch wrestling iswhat makes Keith so cool to watch,
and when it's someone like Johnny whois very flippy and you know he started

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in the Cruiserweight tournament, he wasbill as a cruiserweight. Um. You
know, I just think it's agood it's a good feel and it's a
good, good match made for thosetwo. And I think that the match
itself was pretty solid. There wasa couple of sloppy moments, um,
but I think overall this one delivered. Um. And I don't think that

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this feud's over. Um. Doyou have any particular spots that you wanted
to mention from this one or Imean all of Keith's catching Johnny out of
his dives out of the ring wereall great. Yeah. The pounds through
the Plexi glass was good. Um. They they tried to get Johnny to
heal it up more by using thekey and Keith's eye And just like you

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said, I think it was goodagain, not amazing, but good.
And I do not Yeah, Idon't. I don't think the feud's over.
I actually don't think the feud's over. Other than Priest and Finn,
I don't think the feud is overfor any match on the card except Adam
I forgot Adam and Dream because yeah, I can't continue, right. Um.

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Other than those two matches, Ithink that all the feuds continue.
I think that Johnny still goes attheir Keith. I think that Champa and
Cross are not done. I thinkthat EO and Ria are still going at
each other. And then of coursethe three women versus the three women in
some capacity, there's gonna be yX and stuff like that. Yeah,
but I mean the match was good. The interjection of Mia and Candice was

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kind of pointless. It only servedas a distraction for the ref to for
Johnny to be able to use thekey, but that's it. I think
that can also play into Johnny sayingthat, oh, if they didn't come
into the ring, then I wouldhave had a chance to do with it,
you know. Yeah. And thenthere was also a point where Johnny
could have you know, one bycount out, but he stopped the referees

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count and he was like begging himnot to do that. Um. So
like maybe he says that it wasthe toepai DDT and he tried to get
him into the ring and he couldn'tpick up Keith because he's such a big
Dudeum. But yeah, I thoughtthe match littered overall. The Finnish was
really good because Keith really devastating powerbomb. He his spirit bomb earlier in

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the match, but he had adevastating power bomb and then he put him
into the Something catastrophe. It's aterrible name for the finishin Bang catastrophe or
something. Yes, yes, corneasshit, but the finish itself is nice.
It's like an AA into a jackhammer thing. Um. Keith's got
so many different finishes he can use, but winning on that fe was good.

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Um, so he retains his NorthAmerican championship. And like Marty said,
I don't think this is over bya long shot. No, yeah,
I agree. I think I thinkthis goes forward for a while because
he'll still get me in versus Candice. I think we'll still get a proper
mixed tag match between that'll be atwo. Um. Yeah, I definitely
don't think that that feud ends allright, Uh, let's go into my

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match of the night. I likedDamien Priest versus Finn Balor. Again,
similar to Keith Lee what I toldMarty, It's nice to see Damian Priest
in the ring with someone who isn'tKeith Lee or Dominica Covid. Yeah,
and in this one, Damien wasable to look I don't want to say
monster heel, but like you couldjust see that. You know, Finn,

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he's not a small guy, buthe's somebody that can be tossed around
a little bit. He's agile,Yeah, exactly, he's agile. And
you know, the cells are great. Like, Damien had a lot of
great moments. Uh. You know, he had a sambo supplex in there.
He had those devastating uh spinning heelkicks or spinning roundhouse kicks, whatever
you want to call him. Um, you know it was nice, the

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the back and forth between trying toget neck breakers on each other, um
turning into supplexes. It was justvery fast paced. It was not like
a methodical type of match, andthat I think that set it apart from
the rest of the night. Um. I like that they had Damien go
toe to toe with Finn for real. Yeah, And like you said to

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me when we were walking watching,Finn had to use two cool to graze
to put Damien down, And itwasn't technically two two to graze to the
stomach, but he had the backof the head and then that set up
for the next double foot stomp.Um. I thought that the match did
really well. Um, and thatwas mine in the night and I would
probably give it a four. Yedon't forget Damien's little spill to the stairs

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outside. Oh yeah, dude,Oh my god, what a bump this
dude took. There was the steelsteps to the outside. He was faking
like he was gonna do the razor'sedge to the outside. He did one,
by the way earlier in the matchwhere he did a razor's edge to
the apron in the corner of theapron, and that was a nice spot.
Finn really got that. But man, when Finn countered this razor's edge,

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he went into the ring and fullspeed knocked Damien off the apron and
onto the set of stairs. Now, usually this bumpy land square in the
middle, it's nasty, but it'snot like wow, this one, Damien,
I don't I want to say,maybe he overshot it a little,
but square on the tailbone on theedge of those stairs, and there was

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just this giant food and that wasjust like okay, And maybe that's one
of those moments, like you know, it's asshole to say this, but
like you know, the crowd wantsblood, the crowd wants to see someone
get beat up. I feel likethis is one of those moments that could
be a turning point for Damien whereit's like, all right, this dude's
willing to take take some shit toget over. Yeah. And I'm as

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I've said before, you know,I'm back and forth on Damien, but
I think that this match with somebodywas a little bit different in his way
class and with his height. Ithink that did wonders for him, and
he came out looking really good onthis end, and Finn Balor gets a
win. We haven't seen him ontelevision wrestling and quite some time. I
think it worked for both of them. Yeah, I think they they literally

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it was a win win match forboth of them. Neither of them were
hurt from that match, and itI think you can move, move Finn
on, move Damien on. Damienlooks good, Finn looks great. I'd
love to see Finn go up againstAdam Cole next, like that's what we
were talking about it. I thinkthat because you've got cross, because you

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know you eventually you're going to doFinn versus Walter. I think you need
to pull the trigger on Adam versusFinn and just get it, like,
get it going, because eventually you'regoing to lose out on the ability to
do so because they'll pull some bullshitwhere they move someone where they shouldn't be
moved. Allah Riddle going to SmackDown, which you know, he never had
a title feud, which is fuckingastonishing to me. Never was never once

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went for the normal NXEC title Like, I don't understand the logic behind him
being gone and going to SmackDown becausehe was putting out amazing matches and NXT
and we never got that Keith LeeRiddle feud that I was begging for since
they both came in. And that'sI guess the end of my rant on

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why Riddles shouldn't have been moved,But we went from evaluating a match to
Matt Riddle being moved to smack alreadyhad to get it out of him.
Um, but yeah, no,I'm with you there. Um it's weird
to see man up there because youdon't know where he's gonna go. They're
already you know, do You're alreadydoing the inner kind of old title stuff
and some but well we'll get backonto that. Um. But sticking to

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the takeover, let's talk about umCross and Champa, which I've seen both
sides of reactions to this on onthe on the old twitter sphere. It's
one it went way too short.These two deserved more than to be the
you know, the step up tothe main event or this was a very

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uh calculated and um you know,well booked match. So that's the boat
that I man. Yeah, let'slet's look at that portion of it.
So in this case, Carrie andCross is being billed as a monstrous dude
that's just gonna whoop the living shitout of you and choke you to death.

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That's what he did to Champa.And this is all while taking Champa's
best shots. He was taking kneesto the side of the head the whole
match and just kept getting up,kept getting up. Um sold the Willows
Bell like death too. Yes,it was beautiful. Still should be champas
finisher. But Cross comes out ofthis looking really good. Um, he

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didn't. I don't think he hita back sup pix. But what he
did do He's no, he hada couple but not like not like he
usually does, right, he buton the outside of the apron, he
had him in a like a canechoke hold up on the He's he just
hold him up by his neck andpushed him down onto the hardest part of
the ring but seriously, the hardestpart of the ring, and it looked

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like a devastating spot. But wewere very surprised to see it end that
quickly. But once minutes but oncehe got that Cross jacket on, it
was game over. Now, whenyou look on the other side of this,
yes it sucks they got six minutes, but if you look at Carrying
Cross in the way that they're tryingto build him, you can't have a

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five star match on your first takeover. You want to look like a badass,
you want to look like you canhang. Champa has been the face
of NXT for a year, yeartwo something like that, and he's one
of the top guys on the card, and Carrying Cross just smoked him,
absolutely smoked him. So what doesthat do for both of them? Now?

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One for Cross that's strapping a rocketto him what Marty called the brock
Lessner treatment, because he just absolutelyobliterated him. And you look at Champa's
side. Oh why did Champa getquote unquote squashed? Even though I wouldn't
call it a squash match, butthere's gonna be a lot of people do.
This is gonna be a turning pointfor Champa. Champa has got to
go back to the drawing board andrealize what brought him to the dance,

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and it was him being a sadisticson of a bitch. Maybe he takes
guidance under Cross. Maybe this makeshim realize that he's got to go back
and to the drawing board and rememberwho he was. I'm very intrigued to
see what they do with Tamaso fromhere more than Cross, because Cross is

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gonna he's gonna go up. He'sgonna be on the upper mid carter already.
But Champa, That's that's really whatI'm thinking here. I'm thinking that
he's gonna get a heel turn hereat some point. I don't think they're
going to keep him on the coursethat he's at. And this is the
kind of match that makes you rethinkand look in the mirror. Yeah,

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And I mean that's what I saidabout Champa way back when they started this.
Yet I said that maybe they takeit so that we get psycho killer
before he was um, what's what? Why can't I think of his name?
Because no Cross. I can onlythinks Harrying before he was carrying Cross
and he was still killer Across.I said, maybe they're gonna make Killer

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Cross bring out the psycho killer ofChampa. And you know, I still
think that that could be where theygo because I I don't see Champa losing
like that and then just moving onwith the character that they've built and the
things that they've don't had him do. I don't think he loses and moves
on. I think he's like,you know what, like, yeah,

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you're you're right, Like you hadme, you got me, You're the
better man. Let me get backto my old ways. Like I'm not
who I was, Like he saidwhen he was feeding mc coole, I'm
not who I was. I needto go back to who I was.
And that's the thing too with CrossScott, it was clean as clean as
I don't know what to say,clean as some It was clean as day.

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I don't know, that doesn't makesense, but it was a clean
match. There was no interference.Scarlett didn't get involved at all. It
was just straight up choked the dudeout. Yeah, And I mean I
for me, this was honestly sixminutes and every and everything. I think
this was my match of the nightbecause I think it was booked perfectly.

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I think Cross looked amazing in it. Champa still gave him everything, Like
I mean, it was six minutes, but everything he threw. Yeah,
and it did a shitload for aCross, his character and Champa. I
think it's a new it's a newbranch for Champa to go out on.

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And the only takeaway that I havefrom the match that was shitty was how
bad the ANEXT talent sung along toFall and Prey because they were offbeat and
it kind of ruined the entrance.It ruined the entrance tenfold. And and
after we're done critiquing the the showitself, we'll talk about a little bit
of the presentation and stuff like that. But yeah, no, I thought

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it did what it was supposed todo as a straight to the point type
of deal, and I think that'swhy it was good. Yeah, I
liked it. Let's look at thepolar opposite, all right, So now
we get to our NXT title match, which by the way, was the
fourth match on the card as anda cinematic match at that. Yes,

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this broke up the show a littlebit. So what this did was they
had a camera out the back,but outside of an apartment complex or something
like that, but they had thecars out there. You know, Like
what Marl said first was that,you know, it's reminiscent of the Eddie
Guerrero John Cena parking lot for alltype thing. You know, Cole came

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in and good job. Cole camein and Dream came in and both of
their cars. Dream was driving ussweet yellow Lambo. Oh that's beauty.
Um. But here, okay,so here is my takeaway. There should
not have been commentary in a cinematicmatch. I think that that is where

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it fell short. You went withyou look at the first cinematic match that
ww's done in a long time.You go to the last ride, you
know with Undertaker in aj styles atWrestleMania. You look at them the Warehouse
match with Johnny and Champa. Youknow there's there's not silence, but there's

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like a background music or something likethat. The commentary cues one, We're
awful. Two. It just tookaway from it for me. And then
three. The presentation of it withthe cars having their headlights on, it
was blinding me. I couldn't reallyfolk kiss because there was so much else

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going on and there were a lotof jump cuts. You're you're not gonna
understand this reference because I don't believeyou watched Game of Thrones, but for
anybody that did, it reminded mea lot of the Battle of Winterfell,
which was like the second to lastepisode of Game of Thrones, and it
was just the episode was so darkyou couldn't see anything and it was just
hard to tell what was going on. Right. Yeah, that was not

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easy to like focus on. Butit tried. It tried to do some
stuff. It tried to do somestuff, but it didn't really come across
for me. There was a nicespot where Cold took off the ladder and
through the windshield that and he legitwent through the windshield. You can't really

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blade the way his arm was bustedup there. But I just didn't.
It didn't work for me. Andthere's probably some people that did like it,
but I think that it was.It wasn't poor, but it just
wasn't takeover quality for me. Thiswasn't takeover quality. If that wasn't it,
if that was an episode of NXTmaybe And and the thing for me

(30:07):
too is it was a backlot brawlmatch that didn't really do much on the
whole hardcore aspect, you know whatI mean. There was a fire extinguisher,
there was the Panama sunrise into thechairs there and the backdrop into the
windshield. Other than that, therewas like nothing. It was a lot

(30:30):
of it was a lot of RandyOrton edge where it was a punch and
a walk away. That's what alot of that match was, and it
was. It was the worst cinematicmatch we've had in WWE so far since
they started the cinematic matches, Andit was the worst NXT title match in

(30:52):
a very very very long time,probably back to the Rude days, Yeah,
back to when Rude was champion.Yeah. It was the worst Next
title managment a very long time.And it's just a little like, I
don't know, it didn't fit.It felt weird. The commentary was so

(31:15):
fucking bad. I don't want evento understand how it was that bad.
At Martin, Me and Marty we'rejabbing at Morrow because there was a point
in the match where velveteen hit hisdeath valley driver and went for the pen.
But Morrow commented as if Cole hitthe move and Cole had the pin

(31:37):
attempt and Marrow, by the way, mar Morrow was a little off.
Morrow is our guy. We lovehim, but he had a Michael Cole
esque nights. We always make thisjoke when Dean Ambrose was still with the
company, he came in and hita dirty deeds on seth rollins and Ambrose
hits the dirty deeds and Michael Colegoes Pettigray. We call that Morrow's Pettigray

(32:04):
moment. I will say this.There is the one takeaway I have him
this the Panama Sunrise finally won afucking match. I'll take it. I'll
take that finish. That's fine withme. Outside factors, so Undisputed Era
got involved in this, Uh didtry to you know, ambush dream coming
out of their cards, stuff likethat. And then Roddy was going for

(32:27):
a chair, and then Marty's boardDexter Loomis is just under there for some
reason. He's just underneath the ring, just staring. He's got his full
full suit on and takes Undisputed Erato the woodshed and stuff them in a
trunk and drives away, probably toa woodshed. Probably a woodshed, so

(32:50):
they're up in the air. Don'tknow where that's going, Marty, I'll
let you just kind of go offthe riff here. I don't know what
Dexter's doing. I don't know ifDexter's the next in line for Adam Cole
because he's been messing with the UnisputedEra. I don't know what the Nisputed
Air is doing. I i'd honestly, I would very much dislike Dexterloomas to
be an the title picture. Toosoon, too soon, And I think

(33:13):
that you need to have him almostnot have his own feud for a little
bit. Have him this like likehow they would like sprinkle him into the
matches where he would just show upand be watching. Have him be that
guy for a while, like havehim just kind of like sprinkled in everywhere
you don't know where he's going toshow up next. Have him interject in
random feuds like he's supposed to becreepy. Like keep you already have Carrie

(33:34):
in being this monster no pain beastin the ring. You can't then bring
in Dexter to do the exact samething unless you pair them together, and
that's going to do nothing but hurtboth of their characters. So I think
that you need to just have Dexterkind of be that like random background character

(33:57):
in the hole of NXT. Youcan get a really good payoff if you
do it the right way. Yeah, I mean, I think he's gonna
end up being in a feud withEra still. I think they're gonna end
up having like a handicap match orsomething, and then maybe like Riley comes
back and you know that has likeLoomis, you know, on the losing
end of it, and then Loomisgoes away for a minute, and then

(34:19):
he comes back at some point andwe end up having a you know,
another handicap matcher. Maybe he insertshimself into stuff with Cole. But like
you said, maybe not the titlepicture right away that that that might be
too soon to pull the trigger.And I mean, you're you're on a
really good path with Loomis right now, because no one knows what the hell

(34:39):
he's doing. Yeah, And Imean they might even have him feud with
Velveteen. I don't know, MaybeVelveteen takes out his anger on Dexter.
You really don't know, because Imean, velveteen has to move on from
this. He's no longer in afeud with Era, and he can't get
another XT Championship match with Adam Coleunless he's unless he feuds with each individual

(35:00):
member of Era, not Cole,like just feuds with them, like just
has matches against Bobby, has matchesagainst Roddy. But we've already seen that,
and I think that he needs tomove on to something different. It's
weird because he won't move on toKeith because we don't think he's done with
Johnny. He won't move on toFinn because that just doesn't really fit.

(35:22):
Plus didn't he wasn't with him?Yeah, didn't he already have a match
with Finn ye, And you can'tjust kind of leave him on the wayside.
The only thing I could think wouldbe throwing him with Dexter, or
pairing him with Dexter and throwing himinto the very weak tag division, but
even that doesn't seem like a rightmove, or elevating him or or moving

(35:44):
him up, which would again justhurt your brand more. But it's weird
because he's kind of in this limbowhere now that he can't do that.
How much does he weigh? Geez? I don't know if he's under two
oh five. Maybe moves to thecruiserweight. I don't think he's under two
oh five because I think he's likesix three and the dude's jacked, so

(36:05):
um. But I mean, maybehe moves to cruiserweight. I highly highly
doubt it. Maybe he just hasfeuds with people that aren't for titles.
Maybe you know, maybe he hasthis like undercard feud with like Cam Grimes.
Yeah, that was literally the firstperson that came in mine was Grimes.
Or maybe he feels with Grimes.Maybe he feuds. Maybe he's priests
next target, you know what Imean? Yeah, yeah, and then

(36:28):
would go over on him at thismoment, So I mean, who knows.
That's really kind of a limbo withhim because it's very uncertain on what's
next. Yeah, it's an interesting, interesting thing to think about, all
right. Overall, on the takeoverpresentation, the in your House stuff,
I liked it. It was nostalgic, it was cool. They had a
few commercials in between. Saw anice little cameo bar boy Eric Bugs,

(36:51):
He's on the He's he's in theice cream commercial. Adam Cole played his
best Bret Hart when he came outwith within the Gym with the slow camera
making it look like it was fromthe nineties. Todd Pettingill made an appearance
that was kind of cool. WilliamRieg was narrating commercials so that the stage

(37:13):
I thought was awesome. It wasto the t to the bones. I
think it looked just like those inyour houses in the past. I think
they did a solid job there withthe crowd. I know Marty wanted to
mention this. The Plexi glass.Oh, that was my cue even in
Personal Missing Ques. I like thePlexi glass. I think it adds like

(37:36):
it adds that hockey rink arena feelto me. I like the crowd being
able to like slap on the glassand like Charlotte did with Riha put her
face up to the glass like thatkind of thing. But then you get
the invitation of when she has Charlotte'sor Ria's face on the glass, a
fan can hit the glass. Ididn't even think about that. Yeah,
because when it's not an exec talentwho knows what the crowd is going to

(37:58):
do kind of thing. The clownjust exactly and the other thing is I
don't like I would There's parts ofit that I like, parts of it
that I don't think would transition wellinto when we get bigger crowds, an
entire crowd of front row fans smackingon that will be obnoxious and so hard
it would get hold in a second. Yeah. So it's I don't know,

(38:23):
confusing to think of what they're goingto do with it, but parts
of it, like, I thinkit's working in the capacity that it's being
used right now. Absolutely, Yeah. And then the crowd noise, just
having the chance that's nice just becauseyou're able to kind of immerse yourself into
that virtual environment where all right,there is an actual audience. I saw

(38:45):
somebody you know, make a joketo say it was basically an episode of
NWA Power that we were watching,you know, like it's something like that,
you can imagine it being a show. We had a nice little cameo
appearance by Conor Rees by the way, the finest, the finest, hopeful
repackaging superstar but uh no, itwas good to see ConA there and didn't

(39:08):
seen him a while. Zailie wasout there. We had a funny little
uh part there with Robert Stone againstthe n x T sign looking all depressed
and mangled. So that was thatwas pretty good. Um, But overall
I thought the show was okay.You know, I'll give it a nice

(39:28):
three three point five out of five. I would say, uh, you
know, not good, not bad. I'd give it a three. Yeah,
exactly right in the middle, rightin the middle. And again there
there were a couple of solid matches, but nothing that was over the top.
Um, let's let's stick on anxt. Let's talk about the Cruiserweight
Championship final, because I think that'sdefinitely something we got to hit on here.

(39:51):
Um Phantasma ends up winning the CruiserweightChampionship against Drake Maverick. UM match
was solid. They gave it liketwenty twenty five minutes of TV time,
really good storytelling, and this onewe had um Drake Maverick. After the
match, they're thinking that, we'reall thinking that that's Drake's last match,

(40:16):
and then Triple H pulls the sellerat Cedric, Alexander comes out, has
the contract in hand, gives itto Drake Maverick and then that's our happy
ending or whatever you want to callit. So I'll letting Marty start here.
Because I think he's got a good, good feel of beginning this kind
of dialogue. My first question was, did WWE change their mind when Drake

(40:39):
put his put his video out andthe reaction it got caused that to happen
a real life situation where there weretens upon tens of layoffs, and I
don't think it was a work thewhole time. But I'm just curious about
how they approached this whole thing.Maybe Triple H came and made the save,

(41:00):
you know, I don't know,I'm not behind the scenes, But
overall, it's still it just feelskind of grimy to me that they used
a real life release thing and turnit into a story. But that doesn't
take away my happiness for Drake.I'm glad Drake us to keep job,
he's now a part of NXT.Good for him. But it's just it

(41:22):
doesn't strike you, right, Idon't think. Yeah, for me,
it's I still think it's, youknow, kind of kind of shitty because,
let's say, from the get go, they knew that they were going
to do the story, which Drakehe was never truly laid off. It's
a slap in the face to everybodywho was laid off, Ethan Carters,

(41:44):
the russevs. The Zach Riders,the Kurt Hawkins, Yeah, you name
it. Let's say he was laidoff and the response from fans was what
actually got him another contract? Okay, what makes Drake so special that all
the other people that got laid offdidn't get that chance? Any Way you

(42:05):
look at it, I think itstill looks shitty, and I think it
says a lot about the WWE's viewpointon talent that they think is expendable.
And I mean, just today Iwrote an article that said, apparently the
WWE asked because as we know ZachRyder aka Matt Something, I think his

(42:29):
last heard Cardona is with Chelsea Green. They are together, they lived together.
Apparently the WWE asked Matt Cardona afterhe had been laid off to use
his pool to film the most recentMandy Rose and Otis Pool segment, and

(42:51):
he was pissed, which he hadthe right to be pissed, and so
like stuff like that. Stuff liketheir view on this on the Drake layoff
coming back kind of thing just showsthat they the talent that they think is
expendable they don't really fucking care aboutand it's a little shitty. It's not
even a little shitty. It's alot of shitty. It's a numbers game.
Yeah yeah, all individual numbers.It sucks. But again, and

(43:16):
that's the hard part about it,because you're so happy for Drake. Drake's
actually like that was the first timeI ever saw Drake in like legit competition
and giving a chance to put onmatches for twenty minutes, like, and
I was impressed. I liked it. He was a really good he's really
good storyteller. He showed pain whenhe would get his arm wrenched and you

(43:37):
know, clutching at his back afterhe took a really high, you know,
hard spot. Like. So,I don't I don't know what their
plans are for Drake, if they'regoing to keep him in the Cruiserweight picture
whatever that, But I just feltwe had to mention that phantasma. Now
I get to go on my littlesoapbox. I was right, I was
right along the whole time. Ithink there still wasn't a full reveal,

(44:00):
but the two that were kidnapped,Joaquin Wild and Rawal Mendoza's who I'm suspecting
is underneath those masks, ended upgetting involved looked like they were going to
attack Phantasma, but Drake took themout with a tope, but Phantasma won
in the end. So I thinkwe're gonna get that reveal at some point

(44:20):
here in the near future that Phantasmawas behind all the kidnappings and the attacks.
And I'm interested, and like Iwas telling Marty throughout Takeover, I'm
thinking about all these championships that NXThas now and I'm like, it's great
because you get to give all ofthem their shine when they want it,
like the Cruiserweight match it may havevented this past week, So that was

(44:42):
really good. Let's go to anotherthing, the tag team picture that we
didn't see at Takeover, but wenow have number one contenders and look out
of nowhere. We thought it wasgonna be Ony Lurkin and Danny Birch taking
on the champions Imperium, but no, it's gonna be Breezongo because that was

(45:04):
the mystery team that took on adisputed Era and one and Danny. And
not only did we see their return, which by the way, Breezy and
Dango looked good. They looked reallygood. I thought Breeze looked sharp.
I thought Van Dango was very fat. He was moving fast. I didn't
know he was injured in the firstplace. I didn't know that. Apparently
he had some sort of short sortof tear in his shoulder and he elected

(45:25):
not to do surgery, just waitedit out. He hit the leg drop
and got the pin and won.But they ended up bringing back into share
as well at the end of thematch, and they made it clear that
there were tag teams evolved. Solet's do that and use that as a
segue because a ew, that tagteam picture is stacked because FTR is now

(45:52):
there, which formerly known as ScottDawson and Dash were out Cash Wheeler and
Dex Hartwood. They are beefing uptheir tag division like no other. You've
got guys like Luca Bros. Youhave FTR. You have these teams like

(46:13):
Omega and Paige, who aren't evena team. You have the Young Bucks,
you have Private Party, you havethe best friends who are on fire
right now. And you know theBritish tag team Cape Sabian and Jimmy Havoc
doing some really good stuff. Youhave SCU I didn't even mention that Tag
division is absolutely monstrous. So Marty, look, he texted me. He's

(46:36):
like, it's all of a sudden, NXT's got tag teams again. Okay,
so four four after we had seenmaybe two. So yeah, because
I don't think ever Rise is gonnagonna be that next tag team that's big
um. But that was a itwas a pleasant surprise. I also was
kind of kind of pissed because Iwant to see one and Danny. I'll

(47:00):
get to that top. But maybewith brus Angle getting this opportunity, maybe
Oni and Danny get a mean streakto them, you know, because they
would they would be awesome with amean streak. Yeah, just because they're
they're just a hard hitting team.But that was something else I wanted to
mention. I don't think I missedanything else, like Big from from NX.
It was a go home. Yeah, there's like prom target. They

(47:22):
had Candice versus Mia, which endedearly. You know, there is not
much in there, a e Wjust a quick mention. They're still doing
the Fighter Fest. They have itscheduled now and I actually am a fan
of this because I get to watchit live and I don't have to miss
NXT. They're gonna split it intotwo. They're gonna do it July first

(47:42):
and July eighth, both at tenpm on TNT Live, and we get
to see it live. We don'thave to miss NXT for it. So
far, the main event is JohnMoxley against Brian Cage, who's being managed
by Taz Taz doing some really goodwork with promos. Very excited to see

(48:02):
that match because Brian Cage came inand looked like a monster right away.
There's the Best Friends who are goingto defend their tag team championships as well
against the Number one can earn againstthe not defend their tag team championships,
go against the tag team champions Omegaand Paige, which is a big big
for them. We're gonna completely ignorethe Chris Jericho Mike Tyson stuff, but

(48:28):
Orange Cassidy is getting in a smallfeud with Inner Circle right now. Cody
and Jungle Boy had a hell ofa match first t NT Championship defense.
Cody came out on top. Ittook them to Crossroads, so they're really
pushing Jungle Boy. Next week hedefends against Mark Quinn of Private Party and

(48:50):
that's the a w update I've gotfor you. M main roster wise on
WWE, I'm just the one thingthat I am sucked in on that I'm
loving is Seth Rollins and his likecome to Jesus character type of thing.
He's got Austin Theory and Murphy athis side, and they're in a feud

(49:15):
with Ray Masterio and ray Masterios.I got guiged out three four weeks ago
whatever it was Ray Mosterios advertised tobe on Raw this week. I think
that this is really good storyline.It's really it's been really good TV,
and I think that this is onewhere actually that that Seth's been doing his

(49:36):
best work. And then finally otherthan the greatest match, greatest wrestling match
ever as being billed of Backlash,And I told Marty the funny part about
this being Backlash the greatest wrestling matchever, anything that's booked on that card
has that logo there, so youcould see something like as an undercard match
that's gonna be the greatest wrestling matchever. I just think that's really funny.

(50:00):
But the main event picture on Rawright now is I've been as intrigued
as ever. MVP is doing amazing, amazing work with Bobby Lashley. Lashly's
looking like a monster again. He'susing the full Nelson submission now as his
finish, which is a very believablefinish, and Drew is basically begging Lashly

(50:25):
to going back to being Bobby Lashley, and same with MVP, and MVP's
working the mics, so damn wellright now. So though that match right
there, I'm looking forward to,and then I'm guessing Seth Rollins and Ray
Masterial will be on the Backlash cardand then we'll talk about Blacklash plenty after
that next time. But yeah,no, I think that that was a

(50:47):
good comprehensive look over to that.I don't really know what happened on SmackDown.
Oh I know, is that SashaBanks and Bailey Ord Tactic champions again?
There's that? Yeah, it's atall. Oh, I know.
Let's get into the bracket here.You got your pulled up. Yeah,
maybe you probably had that pulled upfor twenty minutes, but I talked No,

(51:12):
I mean it's pretty easy for meto pull it up. Alrighty,
then, okay, we are goingto narrow it down to our final four
today. Let me just hear thisand the markup. Oh boy, hopefully
you're comfy on that chair, allright, My first matchup of the day
is let me see if I canread this. Oh, what do you

(51:36):
know? It's Brett Hart versus ShawnMichaels. Same here and no offense to
the Master of the Sharpshooter. Igotta go with HB Shizzle because I think
that Sean Michaels just had more ofthe IT factor. I agree. I'm

(51:57):
going with Shawn Michaels because I mean, his feud would Taker is you know,
top tier, and his shockingly it'sa weird match to have is my
favorite. His match with Austin atRUSSELLMANI fourteen is like one of my favorite
matches of all time. So andby the way, when I have to
go with that, and that waswith a broken back, Yeah, that

(52:21):
right there, that kind of justsells me on that. With Brett Hart,
I feel like if I was fiveyears older, maybe I might take
Brett because Brett was on top ofthe world in the early nineties on at
WWE. He just went to abeat of a different drum. I mean,
I've watched a lot of documentaries andstuff on him. He was just

(52:42):
a very big believer in traditional andtraditional just it doesn't connect with me quite
as much as is like new innovationand stuff like that. Like Sean was
willing to go outside of the box. Brett stayed Brett stay. He just
stayed Brett. And and that's noslight to him because he's one of the
best of all time to do itbest, whoever was best, whoever will

(53:06):
be that right there, that's atough one to pick, and it's probably
stings a little bit more too,because it's not the Montreal screw drob.
It's just a straight up, straightup win for for all Shawnee. But
gonna go with him, yep,all right, Rick Flair versus John Cena
for me, all right minus Kurtversus John Cena both really good matches.

(53:27):
Good. I am going to takegood old Johnny boy because you know,
outside of his reign of terror inlike two thousand and six and all that
shit, you grow to love himthe old Like when you get past him
being shoved down your throat, you'lllook back and you're like, damn,

(53:52):
I miss Cina. That dude wasa fucking workhorse. Yeah. His Open,
his United States Open challenge on rawwas some of the best shit.
His feud with Punk top Tier,and there's just so many instances where it's
just like his feud with Rollins,his feud with Owens. You know,

(54:14):
the latter half of his career Ithink outshines his early career by a mile.
The only early career stuff I likedfrom him was his stuff with The
Undertaker when he was doctor Thagonomics.I thought that stuff was outstanding. But

(54:35):
like you said, his late careerstuff, dude, the feud with aj
Styles, those matches were outstanding.You know, short ones with like Kevin
Owens, Seth Rollins, he wentthrough all of them. The build up
to Rock versus Sina the first time, Fuck me man. Yeah, the
build took Brock and Sina when Brockfirst came back. You know, Like

(54:57):
there's just so many different moments.Roman, the Roman, the promos.
It's called the promo kid learn howto cut one? Yeah, Like so
he was so good on the mic, Like that's another part of it.
Like Sina, he had good matchestowards the end of his career. It
was like you went into his matchesexpecting good matches, and his the build

(55:20):
for his feuds always delivered. Italways delivered, Yes, it did.
And there was you know, likewhen we were watching and he shoved down
your throats. He's l ol CinaWins. It's it's hard to be like,
oh yeah, I like Sina,you know, but I mean,
looking back on it, it's justlike, fuck, I miss it.

(55:43):
Yep, I miss it too.And I also have John Cena advancing.
Uh, oh, Rick's gonna puthim over. I got it, I
got I got Johnny Win in there. Here's my senator. All the story
Uh, unfortunately gonna come to anend the Rock versus Mick Foley. God,
I gotta completely different matchup. I'vegot Rocky when in that one,
I think there's no debate. Um, I've already went on and on again

(56:06):
about about Mick being Mick and andhow much his contributions are seared into my
memory. But Rock was just youcannot other than Austin. There's just nobody
that made you think of attitude aremore than Rock and his ability to just

(56:30):
go off the cuff was outstanding.And I'd argue his best work was as
a heel. I obviously would Hollywood. Rock is one of my most underrated
superstars up. Yeah, but umyeah, I got I got to Wayne
advance in there, So mine isactually punk versus Triple H skinny fat ass
Yeah, and I'm taking punk becauseI just I would fucking Hill. I'd

(57:00):
kill to have his career continue afterthat royal rumble, like if they could
have just not been the pieces ofshit that they were to that man,
I would kill to have his careercontinue, and see what he would have
done. I'd kill for him tobe thirty three again and in the WWE

(57:22):
right now. Oh my god,if he could get the Finn treatment right
now, rolling around an NXT asthe best in the world, fucking oh
my god, kill me, I'dbe in heaven. I think it would
be some of the greatest shit we'veever seen. And just like John Cena,
his promos were some of, ifnot the the best. Your hands

(57:45):
are too short or your arms aretoo short The Box of God is still
one of the greatest lines ever.His entire build up with Taker for Mania,
amazing, his build up with withSena to Money in the Bank and
following great matches with Daniel like Overthe Limit, and even even his feud
with Nash the l ol I thoughtyou were I thought he was dead.

(58:08):
I completely forgot about Nash, likethey did him so dirty and they had
Kevin Nash come out and jack knifehim after they did him so dirty,
and I would just kill to havehim have like that that main event at
Mania. You know, just thesekind of moments I would just I'd kill

(58:30):
for it. Should have just givenhim another Z pack. He should have
ended the streak. I'll sit nextto that grave for my entire life.
Um, the twenty one and onelooked so cool too, Yeah, with
the with the emblem at twenty nine, and it was twenty nine where he
faced Undertaker, right, yes,and it was twenty nine where it was

(58:50):
twice in a lifetime, correct,Yeah, So it kills me to say
you should have ended the streak becausetwenty nine should have been cmpunk versus John
Cena in the main event WrestleMania.They tore the house down too. Yeah,
it should have been CM punks.What it would have been five hundred
days? I think he was atfour thirty four when he lost to the
Rock. He passed Bruno, Sono, he didn't. Bruno had the

(59:15):
title for like two thousand days.Okay, never mind, he might have.
He might have been the longest reigningchampion in the modern era. But
Pete Dunn beat him because Pete Dunehad it for like six hundred and seventy
something days. I just meant thatthe main title, yeah, um,
but yeah, that it should becauseI think it would have ended up.

(59:36):
I think he was at four thirtyfour when he lost to the Rock,
and I think that if he wouldhave held the title until WrestleMania. I
believe that five hundred days was WrestleMania, and it should have been. Even
if it wasn't him versus Sena inthe main event, it should have been
Punk Sena the Rock in the mainevent. He should have never been stepped
over for a twice in a lifetimematch. That still fucking sucked. And

(59:59):
I'll stand by it until the dayI die. And and by the way,
we're gonna say that every every timethat CM punk is brought up,
you're gonna hear that stuff about moneyin the bank. Every time it's it
is and every time without it is, without a doubt, in my mind,
the best feud that I've ever watched. It is the most compelled I've

(01:00:20):
ever been by wrestling. It isthe most I've ever looked at Reddit to
see what the fuck was going on, And it's the most I've ever enjoyed
and been invested in wrestling match ever, and that stuff was almost nine years
ago. When it was nine yearsago. To kill me okay, um,
my final matchup here, going intothe Final four Stone Cold Steve Auston

(01:00:43):
versus the Undertaker. As much asthis hurts, I gotta go with Austin.
It's just you can. It hurtsbecause Undertaker. I associate Undertaker before
the dead Man's stuff, like AmericanBadass. Taker is like why I grew
up on I honestly, I watchedwrestling. I had the VHS tapes all

(01:01:05):
that, but I didn't start watchinglive until like two thousand and Taker for
me is that's that's gotta Kaine,That's Taker for me. See, I
had those VHS tapes so I knew, but I religiously watched when he was
the American badass and big Evil,and that was that was the era.
I tuned out. I watched fora while once we got to that ruthless

(01:01:29):
aggression era. I kept in checkhere and there. I played the game,
so I knew who everybody was,but storyline wrestling match wise, I
was long gone. Like example,one of my favorite matches of all time,
with the Undertaker was against Jeff Hardyon the Letter. Yeah, great
match, that was one of myfavorites. Um. I think his fuse
with Brock over that summer and theHell in the Cell. Uh, those

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were just so good. M Armageddonthe Sixth Man. I always remember that
to this day. Brothers are destructionstuff. That's what I associate Undertaker first.
And then when I did take abreak when Undertaker was gone, Um
you hear you know, you seeall the stuff with the feud with Unmasked

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Cain and stuff like that, Andeven though the match wasn't that great at
twenty, the aura of him comingback is Taker the second time was something
I'll never forget. And it wason my birthday. Yeah for me.
For me, you think a Takerfor me? I think of that casket
match with Sean that hel helen,a cell match with Sean that helen a
cell match with Mick Um the Ministryshit like that Ministry. What I go

(01:02:37):
back to when I think of takingthe Ministry ship was Dark Dude. I
love that stuff and there's no waythat's flying today. And I mean and
his twenty five twenty six matches withSean still some of the best wrestling matches,
the the best four year story arcin wrestling history. Yeah yeah,

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and then again and like Big Evil, I thought was a very underrated heel
character. He had the belt,he was the undistributed champion. He was
defending on both brands, and hewas sadistic like that was like as soon
as he made Jr. Kiss Vince'sass and then like just took off from
there. Cut his hair literally lookedlike a demon. But but Stone Cold

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ain't going nowhere. There's no chancein hell this this guy I was talking
about, You think of somebody elseother than Stone Cold, Steve Auston and
the Attitude eras the rock Stone called. Steve Auston is the Attitude Era everything
about him, and he's just abadass. He was fun, he was

(01:03:45):
ruthless. He it was a weirdthing like that. He started that anti
hero stuff in WWE and exactly,you know, very similar to your boy
CM Punk, but in a differentera and under a different personality. Yeah,
Austin And I mean, for me, Austin is too many moments,

(01:04:05):
too many moments that you can't Austinis my favorite superstar. You know,
he was what like as a kid, Austin was the guy, you know,
like he was the best um.His win at fourteen one of my
favorite wins. His feud with TheRock fifteen, seventeen, and nineteen some

(01:04:28):
of the best matches. Nineteen wasa really good match. I don't think
I really people realized his retirement matchwas that good. Nineteen was amazing.
You know, the whole took hisball and went home. Shit sucks,
But you know, his feud withMcMahon is fucking it's iconic. It is
literally iconic. Yes, and hisfeud with Shawn Michaels, his feud with

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he had really good ones with theUndertaker. The Rock obviously is what you
always paristone cold with. And Imean, if seventeen would go down in
history if it didn't have that shittyfinish. The heel turn was one of
the biggest mistakes in wrestling history.But you live and you learn. But
you didn't get Jimmy crack Corn andI don't care type of stuff. You
didn't get the the what chant wasthe worst thing that's ever happened to the

(01:05:15):
wrestling in hisstory still here today,and so like, yeah, there's a
lot of wrong with Austin, butthe Great just outshines it tenfold. Yes,
the Stone Cold Stunner is the bestfinisher in wrestling history, next to
the Tombstone and Sweet and Music.So I mean, can't beat it,
Yeah, can't beat it. Youjust you can't get over literally what he

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did for everything. Nope? Allright, final four set, how about
it? We're almost done. Whatare your what are your two matchups?
I have Sean Michaels against John Cena. Same that side is the same for
me. I got Hbha versus Onand I've got Rocking Stone Cold and I'm

(01:06:00):
not gonna I'm gonna hate to pickthat one. Minus that. Don't you
leave it, You leave it.This is our tease. This is we
don't talk about. Well. Imean, they know who won, so
minus Punk versus Stone Cold and II it's one of those things that to
this day, I won't give up. I every time Punk shows up,
or when he was showing up,I went, goddamn it, the glass
is gonna break. I it was. They teased it on that episode of

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Raw when he went to the backand Stone Cold looked at him, and
I swear to god, I'll neverfucking get over it. He dropped the
pipe bomb in a Stone Cold shirt. Oh my god, I'm gonna go
on a tangent when we do thisone, because it's just it's the feud
I've wanted. It's it's it's thesting Undertaker feud everybody wanted, but for
me personally. No, he's gonnatake an hour to talk about that,
dude. When they did when theydid the promo for WWEK two K thirteen

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and it was Stone Cold and CMPunk having like a twenty minute backstage promo
talking about the game, and theywere going at it. I still I
need it. I need it.I don't care. Give it to me,
now, give it to me now? All right. I think we've
talked a while here. We areon Yeah, an hour and six minutes.
So that's good. That's about allI got. I don't have anything

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else. I don't think he hasanything else. He's gonna talk about CM
Punk and Stone Cold. If Idon't stop this, it's true, I'll
keep going. So yeah, we'regonna go ahead and get out of here.
I don't even know how I'm gonnapick the win it all right.
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like Backlash, what happens about toask? Was that a rip on that
it was? That's right, Andwith that I will leave on this note.
Black lives matter, dude. Youknow, I just realized that we
have taken such a step back fromtalking about the main roster. We didn't
even talk about the matches that we'regoing to be on Backlash. We used
to preview every main event, wellnot main event, but main roster show,

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you know, Backlash, all ofthose, and we've literally gone down
to only talking about WrestleMania. Damn, that product's gotten so bad. But
as you can tell, this wasepisode one or nine. We're here in

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person for the first time in threemonths. So it's been a while and
it's great to have our other guesthosts in person because it's been so long
since we've been able to have him, you know, just the chemistry is
there. It's so great to behere in person with him. He'll be
here again next week. We're notsure if it'll be in person or if
it will be you know, backto the Quarantine Lifestyle podcast, but you

(01:09:04):
know, Jonah Hill, he'll behere again as always for episode what is
it one ten next week? Yikes, So yeah, that's it Jonah Hill
next week with us. It wasgreat to have him in person again.
We'll be talking about we won't eventalk about backlash probably, but we'll talk

(01:09:27):
about the fallout of takeover because normallywe would be take talking about Takeover on
the next episode because it would bethe post takeover episode, but that is
this one, so we'll talk aboutthe Takeover fallout that happens Wednesday. Spencer,
I'll talk about a w as usual. We'll finish our bracket. No,
we'll get the championship set for thebracket. I am going to talk

(01:09:50):
about Cmpunk versus Stone Cold for twentyminutes. It's my turn to ramble next
week. And that's about it,you know, Oh, that's it.
I got none else. Episode oneten, Jonah Hill, your boys talking
all the wrestling things, talking thebracket, talking nonsense. That's it.

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Defund the police. Goodbye m