The Art of Horror and Music w/ Jonny Bush (Ep. 307)

Super Media Bros kicks off 2024 with friend of the podcast, Jonny Bush! Jonny is an extremely accomplished illustrator who has worked with bands/artists such as Ghost, Wednesday 13, Vermintide, and more! We discuss how he got started working with them, along with some of our favorite music, movies, film poster art, and more!

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Super Media Bros. Podcast is afounding member of the Odd Pods Media network.
Super Media Bros. Welcome to thesuper Media Bros Podcast, where two

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best friends give comedically informative takes onmovies, music, pro wrestling, and
more. I'm Richie, Happy NewYear. It's twenty twenty four and this
is the first episode of the newyear. This episode was actually recorded in
early December of twenty twenty three,just to be prepared and to get a
lot of our stuff backlog for theholiday season. But now that it's the
new year, it's time to releasethis episode upon you the listener. Most

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of you may or may not knowthat I am a huge fan of the
band ghost Like, to the pointthat myself and a couple of friends of
mine add in a shit posting groupdedicated to this band on Facebook. It's
a lot of fun, and I'ma big advocate for the fact that your
online friends are your friends too.Like. There's a big misconception that people

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think that online people cannot be yourfriends because you simply haven't met in person,
and that's complete bullshit in my opinion. To that, I say,
it's amazing that you can find somany people from so many different walks of
life and groups like this that areall together to celebrate one common love that
you have. It could be music, movies, art, professional wrestling,

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you name it. Like literally anythingthat we discuss on this show, Devin
and I, it's shit that weloved, and it's shit that actually bonded
our friendship. I say all thatto say that I have met, like
many people in this group, havemet, a very talented, lovely gentleman
by the name of Johnny Bush,who is a fan fantastic illustrator and has

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actually designed quite a few merch piecesfor Ghost and he and I got to
just bullshitting one day in a chattogether, and I was like, Hey,
do you want to come hang outwith me and just talk about movies
and art and music and like prettymuch anything. Because we actually wound up
having a shit ton in common andit was a lot of fun. I

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definitely want to have Johnny back ontothe show to discuss more films. I
would love to have him back onto do a cult Cinema Saturday, because,
as it turns out, he andI have a lot in common when
it comes to horror movies. ButI'm going to shut the hell up for
now, and I'm going to justroll the tape on the conversation that I
had with Johnny Bush, So sitback and enjoy. I'm hanging out with

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my buddy Johnny Bush, who isa fantastic artist. He and I met
in a ghost shit posting group onFacebook called guns Posting, And you know,
this is really the topic that broughtus as far as like being pals
now and a ton of people inthis group, you know, it's great.

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We all have met a shit tonof people from all over the world,
like different walks of life. Johnnyis across the pond, over the
UK. I've got friends in therefrom Germany, Finland, in Canada,
you name it. We were alllike bound by the same topic. A
bunch of fucking misfits, a bunchof people, you know, just bound

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by the same route. But Johnnyhas drawn a ton of designs for this
band. Hell, chances are ifyou've seen a T shirt of Theirs or
Wednesday thirteen or a ton of otherbands in a hot topic store or on
their websites or anything like that,chances are came from you. So what's
going on, man? Yeah,no, I'm good, Thank you.

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I'm just kind of starting to wrapup for the end of the year,
finish off the little jobs that arekind of leading into the big ones next
year. Yeah, in a verybusy year, but it's nice to kind
of put an end to it now, you know, right. I can't
even imagine the amount of like commissionwork or anything else that you've you've had,

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you know, to work on.Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's
it's always a strain towards the endof the year because you find a lot
of bands and as is the casethis holiday season with Ghosts, is they
kind of all of a sudden gooh, we have not got holiday designs
ready. Okay, message everyone,message you know, everyone on the mailing

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list. We need a design.We need to design. So everybody gets
bombarded with requests and we we havetwo days to draw them and then nothing
gets approved. Yeah half holy fuck. Yeah yeah, this we had.
I had an email come through fromGlobal merchan Services, who my correspondence with

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ghost and basically I was fine.When he emailed me, I was absolutely
the pinnacle of health, and hesaid, can you do me a holiday
design? In it was like threedays. I was like, yeah,
yeah, that's fine, that's that'scool. You know, I can sketch
you out tonight and I'll do itover two nights. It's cool. And

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then he replied my guy at GlobalMerchant and he was like, that's cool.
Can you do me two designs?I was like, yeah, I
can do because I think that's whythey come to me sometimes, because they
know that I can work quite quickly. And then the day after I became
severely, severely ill with we thinkit was COVID or you know, some

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sort of stomach flu, but Iwas crippled over, you know, bedridden.
But these these two designs got doneand submitted and then we never heard
back about them. But a Christmasdesign that they approved in November last year
came out for Christmas this year,So swings a round of post. Yeah,
I was gonna say, because Iremember seeing that one and you finally

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talking about it on your personal socialsand in the group it was the Santanas
I think was the design name acrossit. Yeah, And that was gonna
kind of lead me into a questionfor you too, because first of all,
how does one get involved with thesebands like as an artist, because
I understand that sometimes it's either theluck of the draw or like people submit

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the stuff. And I saw thatthis had been long approved, like since
twenty twenty three or twenty twenty two. I'm sorry, and I'm saying,
like, holy shit, that's along time to have to keep quiet about
a badass piece of art. Dude. Look, I'm good. I'm just
as good as you know, youor anybody else that can do that shit.
But it eats at me. I'mlike, God, I want to
show this off some So yeah,like, it's it's wild that you've had

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a couple of designs now like asof this year that you know they'll probably
hold off on until maybe next year. But holy shit, dude, that
was. That was a great sign, Thank you very much. Yeah,
that was. That was just agoofy idea I had. I was I
think I was probably getting close toChristmas, and I thought, shit,
I could really do with some money, you know. So the idea is

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that most of us do is,well, let's submit a design because you're
either going to get a know oryou're going to get paid. So I'd
been watching stuff and reading stuff,and I really had this fun idea to
do. Papa is a sort ofSanta Crampus crossbreed with sort of references to
the Devil and Dante's Inferno and allthese kind of things. And I think
they like that kind of stuff.They like things that are a bit deeper

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than they appear on the surface.And you know, because the fans like
all the low and the speculations.Why has he got the Papa's heads in
a box? What does this mean? Is he get you go bring?
It's just it's so fun to seek, you know. A lot of the
time we're just going, I justdrew it. It doesn't mean anything,
you know, it's just funny.But yeah, with the with the things
that take a long time, it'shard because I just want to show it

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to people, and some of thesethings have literally no timeline on them.
I have about four or five ofthe designs that they approved well over a
year ago, very close to twoyears ago. It's like, will they
see the light of day? Idon't know. So I've just got this
big folder on my computer with literallylike twenty approved designs for bands that you

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can't do anything with, you know. I've got stuff for Ozzy Osborne waiting
to go, but damn can't doanything. Talk about do not open until
Christmas man. Shit. Yeah,dude, So we were talking a little
bit earlier, and it's interesting howyou came into all this really, and
I think, as is the casewith a lot of artists and musicians,

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even during lockdown, really when thelockdowns are happening and everything, everybody had
a lot of free time on theirhands. And you know, I both
hated it because I couldn't see people, you know, we all couldn't see
our friends or family and things likethat. But another thing that came out
of it was, at least forme, you know, I was able
to devote more time doing music,you know, on my own. And

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then, you know, I don'tcare what anybody says. I feel like,
you know, video games are agood form of stress relie, even
a good escape for you know,good for your mental health. I got
to play, you know, aton of fucking video games and shit like
that. But you were, youknow, able to dive into your art,
you know, and yeah, getreally essentially paid for it, you
know, because a lot of ourjobs. I was an essential worker through

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it, so I but my hourswere cut, you know obviously, but
I had more free time, youknow, to do the shit I wanted
to do. Yeah, So itwas cool you telling me you were able
to kind of just delve into that. Yeah. I was lucky enough to
be told that, you know,you don't have to come to work,
we'll pay you full age. SoI'd like to say that I dived into

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my artwork full time for like fourmonths. But what I actually did for
sort of three months and three weeksand four days was I drank a lo
of alcohol in the garden because wein England, we were going through in
Indian summer and it was like thehottest it's been in ninety years or something.
Dude, I remember hearing about that. I don't know how you guys

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do it without I've heard John don'thave like built in air conditioning units or
whatever over there. That's so nice. Look, dude, I come from
Louisiana, where it's Satan's asshole duringthe summer, so like we have to
have it. So I was justsitting here going like, I've got a
couple of friends that live out thatway, and I was like, how
fuck do you guys do it likeI could's it's so rare for it to

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be that hot here. You know, we're more focus on like double glazing
our windows so it's not so coldall the time. But when it's that
hot, you just got to keepthe doors open, the windows open.
So I was just day drinking allday. The kids were having the time
of the life, you know,playing the garden. We got ducks to
run around in the garden. Itwas all very nice. But it was

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a very pivotal moment at the endof it, because I, like I
was saying earlier, I had onenight left. The depression was setting in
that I had to go back towork tomorrow. I had one ice cold
beer left and the option to eitherdrink it or do a piece of artwork.
And I think there reason no wayto do smart was artwork was because
the few days before I'd drawn somethingfor the band Calibres again just as fan

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art, submitted it to them,and there was like, let's put it
on a T shirt. So insideI was like, oh, maybe it'll
work for a different band as well. And I said to my wife,
Look, do I drink the beeror do I do this piece of just
fan art for Wednesday thirteen, Who'vebeen a fan of since I was young,
And she said, I just dothe picture. You might as well,

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you know, it worked out forCalibres, so do it for Wednesday.
I was like, yeah, SoI drew this picture in whatever weird
style I was drawing in at thetime. It was very simple and stylistic.
I submitted it to Wednesday with noexpectation of a reply. I had
never spoken to him at this pointand just left it there. And then
about two weeks later, I wasgetting groceries and he popped up on Instagram

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and he was like, this issick. Can we use it? I
was like, yeah, your fifteenyear old me wetting himself in the supermarket.
And I was like shit, yeah. I was like, I don't
even want money for it, justhave it, just use it. So
he did, and then that wasit. I said, you know,
if you need anything else, justgive me a shout. Then like three
days later I was like, oh, could you do me another one?

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I was like yeah, okay,and then another probably because I was doing
it for free at the time.But you know, I had to make
myself indisposable because I had the brainpattern of just going make yourself as in
his pockets as possible and just showhim what you can do, right,
So I did, Yeah, andthen everything that he needed. He's had
a web series at the time forhis Patreon was big during Lockdown, and

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that's all the content was there.So I did sort of artwork for animations
inside of his web videos. Ifor for two years, I illustrated a
comic and wrote a comic every month, did all his artwork and that,
and that was really how I gotstarted with Wednesday. You know, I
kind of I think Lockdown was thereason that that came to because I don't

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think if he if he was thatbusy with all of his fan club stuff,
I wouldn't have been necessary. SoI'm very thankful for that. And
then through Wednesday, I say gotbigger and bigger. I'm not I'm just
I'm just a guy in a kitchen, but you know, yeah, that's
a lockdown. You're big to alot of us though, man like,
because we and I can honestly saythat I speak on at least on behalf

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of a lot of us in theGhost Fantom like, we appreciate the shit
out of you, and we adoreyour art, man Like, I know
it's yours when I see it,Like you have a certain look to your
stuff. And I was going tobring that back around is I love that.
I can tell just from your linework and your shading and everything else
that you you have a lot ofinspiration from horror and punk rock in the

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macabre, and I love that shit, even if it doesn't appear like,
you know, to the naked eyethat way, if you look hard enough,
it's fucking there, man, Andwe dig your ship, and like,
the only problem that I have withit is that I don't have enough
money to buy all of it atthe same time, because I definitely want
every damn bit of it, andwe all do, so, I guess

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said. We we love it,man, And yeah, for sure,
dude, it's it's great and we'realways looking forward to seeing more of it.
You know, I was wanting tomake mention if anybody out there has
seen a ghost T shirt and hottopic or like online somewhere, chances are
Johnny's drawn The Sun of a Bitch, So congratulations, you own a piece
of this man's art. I know, I think I own one one T

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shirt of the things I've done.Which one it is, I've got it.
I won't get it because it'll makeall ruffles and noises. Go ahead,
go ahead, man, yeah,it's still in the back. It's
the Papa three. Yeah, yeah, I love that one. You know,
we all loved it pop for differentreasons, Like every every one of
them has like their own hardcore fans, you know. And I'm speaking to

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anybody out there that listens to Ghost, uh knows what we're about to talk
about. If you're if you don'thave a fucking clue about Ghost. Long
story short, damn near. Withevery album cycle, there is a new
figure at the front of the bandsinging for them and as Papa Emeritus,
either the first, second, third, or fourth or by their lovely nicknames
Primo, Secondo, Tarto and Cardiuor Kopia which Papa three. We we

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have a shipload of Tarto fans inthe house, which is not hard to
see why he's He's just he's alittle guy. He's a little fucker.
We love it. So it's nowonder you've got You've got the third on
your in your bag like that was. It's funny enough. That was the
first T shirt of that run ofshirts that I did. Again, I

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was just bored one evening. NowI wasn't painting it with the idea of
submitting it. I was just boredand needed to do something because a lot
of my work that I've been kindof typecast for over the years is very
stylized, very sort of not comiclooking, but you know, flat colors,
that kind of thing. But I'ma painter at heart, and I
like pot you know, or asphoto realistic in my style as I like

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to do. And I was justI just started painting it. And I
was in the throes of changing upsome submissions for Ghosts anyway, so I
spoke to my guy Eric at GlobalMerchant. I was like, just just
show you this. I don't wantedto submit it or anything. I just
thought it'd be cool for you tosee. And he was like, that's
really cool. It's like I'm gonnaI'm going to get this looked at.

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I was like, oh yeah,sure, yeah, sure. I was
like, just so you know aswell, I've started doing Papa too as
well. Again, I'm not tryingto submit these things. I just I
needed things to post on my Instagram. And then he emailed me back and
was like, yeah, Tobias wantsyou to do one of all of them.
I was like, fuck, seenhalf of Space, Yes, I

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can just picture the guy coming backto yeah high if you could, if
you could just have those popa TPSreports on my desk for Monday, and
that would be great. Yeah,that's exactly what it was. I'd gone
from having this really fun like byevening painting, like just like relaxation session
that I was doing, to shit, I've got a paint Like you know,

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how many papas are there? Amillion? It felt like at a
time release things took like eight ninehours to paint each, but again I
was like, okay, well,I've got like three four days off work.
Howds just three four days sound?So we knocked them all out in
probably under a week. I paintedthem and I think there was like maybe
two three critiques with them, andone of them was like, you have

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to have the whole miter in ifyou paint him. I was like,
yeah, but I don't really wantto to be fair. You know,
these things taken ages, but Ichanged them and Primo needed to look a
bit more haggard and refined. Sobut that was that was a really nice
job to do and they were reallywell received through Hot Topic. Those are
some of the shirts I was kindof making mention of earlier. If you've

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seen any of the designs and ahot Topic, I love those very much.
It was nice to see the otherpapas get some love because most of
the time on their website it's popafore. And because of Investige sou Mom's
tenth anniversary this year, we've seena lot of Secundo's art coming through,
and on T shirts there's maybe likeone or two designs from Primo and there's

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barely there's barely any of pape Emeritisthe third on there, which again seeing
the shirt that you had in thebag and then like that exact shirt design,
and yeah, maybe maybe one ortwo here and there. It's always,
like I said, it's always niceto see him get some love and
the other ones get some love too, because I mean, they're all part
of the band's history and the lore, and we all feel like we've missed,

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Like if you've missed a run ofstuff, it's hard to come back
across them because some of the merchjust yeah, once it's there and it's
gone, it's gone. You know, this is it? Yeah, but
this is I was quite happy becauseI was like a bloodhound on that.
When when they released on Hot Topic, I sat there on my phone just
watching them sell out. I'd refreshthe page and you know, within five

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minutes, all the sizes are soldout on that one, and then on
the next one, and the nextone I saw they got a restock,
and then they were getting sold outand they that was like the first time
I was like, oh, peoplemight actually want to buy these designs.
So I was, you know,blown away by the response to that.
And I'll always be massively appreciated topeople who bought them. And some people
have bought all of them, andit's mad. It's fun to go on

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to your website, Johnny Bush dotcom. Anybody out there, if you
want to scroll up in the shownotes and click it and listen to this
while I'm talking about it with Johnny. You can scroirre all the shows and
click Johnny Bush dot com and goto the website and look at these I'm
about to tell you about. Youcan see all the pictures you've drawn over
the years, and you hover overthem and it shows if it's a personal
work or if it was a submittedart or where it goes or where it

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went, and along with this iskind of where I wanted to get into
some other stuff with you as well. I noticed the Evil Dead drawing on
there, which, let me,let me just go ahead and say,
it's one of the best Evil Deaddesigns I've ever fucking seen. I love
that movie so much. I've toldthis story countless times and my listeners are

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probably sick to death of it,but fuck fucking I'm gonna say it again.
My family owned a video store wheneverI was very young, and I'm
talking like out of the eighties intothe early nineties, you know. So
I was there for the ass endof the direct to video VHS boom and
then on the cusp of hey,I think we might move it, just
like when they first started to talkingabout we might put movies on discs and
we were all just like, noway, no, Like Compact has come

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on. Yeah, and then ithappened. But yeah, I perused the
horror section constantly. My first moviewas A Nightmroure on Elm Street at like,
I have loved horror since I wasa fucking kid, and seeing this
design of Cheryl in the basement wasso fucking cool. Because the first movie

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is often looked at in two differentways. The first movie is often looked
at as homely shit. These aregreat camera angles, directions and special effects
for the time that it had comeout. And then a couple of you
know, other people I've heard melike it's not as good because you can
see like it's imperfections and shit.But I still think it's terrifying to look
at, especially Cheryl when she startsgetting worse and worse off in the face.

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And back in those days, theywore the full eyeball glass like contacts,
so you couldn't see out of themfirst of all, and they covered
your entire eyeball, so she lookedextra horrifying, especially in that moment when
she's getting more and more aggressive andtrying to break the damn door off.
So that painting or drawing, itwas just fucking awesome to see. So

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I've mentioned, you know that drawingand some other line work being attributed to
horror and like punk rock and shitlike that. What were some of your
favorite horror movies like or did youhave anything that specifically inspired you as far
as like you maybe saw like amovie cover, because that was the big
thing about VHS back in the gapwas like yeah, and that if the

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cover of the tape looked bomb ashell. We had to rent it.
We didn't know fuck all about someof these movies. The cover art sells
it, you know, yeah,exactly. Sometimes the cover art gives you
exactly what you want and sometimes solda fucking dream. You know. We've
talked about some of these movies onour show where it's like, hey,
the cover looked great, but themovie was kind of ass, but hey,

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the art was fucking killer. Solike, what were you into?
Like what anything that caught your eye? You know. Well, when I
was little, I've been very fortunatewith parents who were just like, it'd
be fine. You know, I'mfour years old in the video store with
my dad, we'd go and getfish and chip and then we'd while they
were making that, we'd go intothe video shop next door, and it

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was like this is in the nineties. You know. The windows were yellowed
with paper and like bars across theminside it like a dungeon. It was,
it's just so cool, and I'dgo in and I just i'd make
a bee line to the horror films, and you know there were adults because
I had a little red sticker onthe bottom of them, and I'd be
the same. I'd just I'd pullone out, was going, this looks

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horrific that I'll have this one,and he was like, yeah, sure,
whatever, you know our problem was, and I was the same.
I couldn't give a damn what itsaid on the back. As long as
the cover art was cool. Iwas like, I'm going to get this.
But so, I've always been amassive horror fan ever since I was

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little, and particularly like movie postersfor horror films always captivated me. That
that was it, because when Iwas little, you know, it was
always hand drawn painted covers like theold Universal horror movies, quite a lot
of the hammer House of Horror films. But if they were illustrated, I
was like, because I drew asa child, I was like, that's

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what I want to draw, youknow, scary, horrible, wretched things
to that level that looked like aphoto. That's what captivated me. And
I've always watched horror films from allthe black and white Universal films, which
blew me away when I first sawthem. I think my first real horror
movie that I saw was the originalNight of the Living Dead and my dad

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took me around to one of hisfriend's houses, and I just sit and
look through the videos and they're likelittle cupboard. I was like, what's
this and she was like, oh, it's a zombie film. I was
like, can I take it?And she's like, yeah, yeah,
sure. And even though you knowit's not that scary, looking back,
when I was like, you know, five years old, I was like,
what the you know, this ismental. It's so busy in this

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and it's just it's just always alwaysheld such a special place in my heart
and it never will stop because inmy head, I'm still going maybe one
day I'll do the posters for horrorfilms, you know, And it's just
the art style probably led into themusic as well with Wednesday thirteen and seeing
about horror films, and it's veryslowly start to come full circle. I

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love that. I would love tosee that shit, like I would love
to see do one for a movie, because like I've looked at a lot
of your art and have thought likethis would be a killer movie poster.
And we were mentioning again earlier,you know, kind of going back to
the art stuff where it's like wewere talking about how sometimes stuff gets rejected,
Like we both had seen a drawingearlier for Ghosts that we were both

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just kind of like, I can'tdo that, got rejected, but you
were saying that, like there's certainthings that the band looks for as far
as like the realism aspect or itneeds to be not in a border,
and I do understand that where youknow, I'm sure Toby's has like a
specific vision of like he wants itto be about as real as it can
get but still be art. Thatkind of just made me think, well,
shit, they're doing a fucking moviesoon, give them a damn movie

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poster. No a guy exactly,That's what I'm saying. Yeah, the
UK, that's something that kind ofpopped up in my head too when we
were talking about video stores and thingslike that, because I do want to
bring this up before I forget,because I will forget because like kind of
like I forgot to press record earlier, I will forget my gene pulled it

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and just take my hairline. Ittook some of the brain with it coming
out. So in the UK,I over here in the States we always
hear the term video nasty. Isthat still like a thing over there that
they use because I know that wassomething that they did in like the eighties
and like the nineties with certain horrorfilms that were like we can't show that
here, or it's like it's quotebanned. But I always think the term

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band means from theatrical release or dothey have it to where it's like it's
just they're just not gonna release itlike period, or yeah, if it
is still around, I'm not heardin years. I know some people who
make independent films that have showing oflike film festivals and stuff, and it's

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happened to them. They've gone,we can't show it. Oh, you're
going to have to cut that out. But then they just kind of go,
that's fine, I'll just release itindependently then and then as soon as
it starts taking off, they go, oh, actually we'll stop that.
Yeah. Yeah. We kind ofhad a discussion about it's not the exact
same, but Devin and I myCohorst, we just had a discussion about
how Disney relegated The Nightmare before Christmastoo. Its touched on Pictures label,

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which in the nineties, the touchdownPictures label was used for stuff that they
didn't want to put their name on, but it was still all over yeah,
yeah, because they were just like, we can't market this to children,
and then lo and behold, likeit's it's fucking one of the biggest
cult classics that became a huge successon home video, and all of a
sudden, he's like, oh,yeah, we'll put our name on it.
It's like, dude, fuck youshit, you know what I mean.

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So I was like those independent filmmakerslike try to get their movies in
and these people like, oh,we can't shut it, and then they're
like, okay, well fuck you, we'll do it on our own.
And then they have success and thenall of a sudd and it's like,
oh, we have a fomo bigtime. We just missed out on all
this. So sometimes I think thoughhonestly, that helps the artist get more

(28:10):
notoriety really, because what happens whensomebody says, hey, you can't do
that, I'm gonna want to fuckingdo it, right, so they do
it? Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, So absolutely. I think if it
came to the point where if Iwas making a film or I don't know
in what situation a piece of outwork it would apply for, but if
someone said, you know, youcan't do it, I would go right
one good it myself and make itten times worse then, so because I

(28:32):
guarantee you everyone else will dig itjust because some old dude in the tie
in an office get scared. Youknow, just be horrible, be horrible,
be nasty, be violent, andlet us watch, yeah, because
some of us love that kind ofshit, honestly, And I mean it's
it's entertainment at the end of theday. You know, I can't tell
you how many movies that I havescrolled across when Amazon Brian was first round,

(28:55):
and this is before they like,weirdly, they had this kind of
thing where you had to fall withina certain guideline if you were an independent
filmmaker to even put your shit onAmazon Prime. Like, We've got friends
in California that have a company calledCinema Epoch, and they were talking to
us about how they had the mostdifficult time getting some of their stuff on

(29:15):
there, and it wasn't even violent. It just was like had to be
certain crime Syria and like all thisother shit, and it's just like dude
likes, it's getting harder and harderfor people that are especially in the indie
film circuit to get their stuff kindof put out there for streaming. Thank
God for shutter you know, andand stuff like screen Box and you know,

(29:37):
things like that, because I havefound a majority of the horror that
I love on those sites, youknow, as opposed to like Prime and
shit. So I can't even imaginehow it is not here in the States,
you know, like it seems likeeverybody's kind of got it working both
against them and for them at thesame time. But finding that that middle
ground is a son of a bitch. You know, with platforms like Amazon,

(30:02):
they seem to want to say tohave submitting pieces. You know,
you can submit it and we'll putit on there. But like you said,
it's got to fall within this guidelinebecause then it's more palatable to people.
But the people who want to watchthe horror films don't care for it,
so that's when they go to theseother streaming platforms. But we watched
a film on Amazon Prime, andI'm pretty sure it's like one of the

(30:23):
lowest rated films, horror films,and it was three minutes long and you
know, like one star, andit was just as like a guy and
a girl in a field and somethinghappens and then he kills, but you
don't see it. It's just implied. And we sat there thinking, who's
pressed yes on this, you know? And except this on there? Oh

(30:47):
man, some of it is trash. Amazon is not a good place to
watch anything anymore. This all kindof ties back into the cover our sells
you a dream, you know atthe end of the day. Because yes,
like, like I said, Ihave seen some movies where I'm like,
man, this looks like it's gonnabe shit and it winds up being
really suit you know. And thenI've seen movies where I'm like, oh
my god, I'm going to buya pizza. I'm gonna get it just

(31:07):
gets settled in with fucking snacks andall kinds of shit, getting like mentally
prepared for like this badass movie I'llby to watch, and then i get
like fifteen twenty minutes in, I'mlike, where's the movie? Where's the
movie? I saw exactly it.Yeah, but I'll tell you, like
one movie I'm really curious to see. I'm pretty sure you've seen both of
them. I hope you have.Have you seen either of the Terrifier films

(31:30):
by any chance? Do you knowwhat I've not? And people have been
recommended it to me for so long, but it's just one of those that's
slipped by me. And then thesecond one came out and it's like,
ok Okay, I want to watchit now. And now it's like the
third one's coming out, and I'mlike, okay, I still don't have
five minutes to sit and watch it, but I will definitely. Yeah,
they're definitely worth it, man,because I was in the same boat that
you were, because like we didthe first one for our our October rebrand

(31:53):
in twenty twenty two, because werebrand for Halloween and Christmas every year,
and we did Terrifier last year,which right now is twenty twenty three recording
this, so anybody out there,don't go twenty twenty three looking for it,
you'll find the sequel. So becausewe just did Terrifier too, and
I loved the fact that, andI'm bringing this movie up obviously just because

(32:15):
like it's going to tie into acouple of things. The first movie was
born out of a short film featuringthe same art the clown character. It
was all hallows. It was ananthology, you know, featuring this character,
and it was a different guy playinghim. But then you know,
jump into the first actual terrifier film, and it's a damn good slasher.

(32:35):
It got a lot of people talking, completely independent, made a shitload of
money on a small budget. Itmade very well, like on its budget.
But then when the school the sequelgot green lid, the director was
like, Okay, we have apretty decent budget to work with. Now
this movie made even more. Likethe sequel made even more money. But
it was one of the first timesI'd seen a horror movie that was very

(32:58):
long. When I say very long, i'm talking like Star Wars long,
like Currents. Oh yeah, itwas like two hours and forty something minutes.
But it didn't feel like, youknow, you got lost in it.
Yeah, I say get lost.You can get lost in it,
but in a good way, Likethe time doesn't feel like it's that long.
There's so much story and there's somuch information. There's never a dull
moment. When it comes to horror. You don't hear about long shit.

(33:22):
If anything, it's you know,typical like hour and twenty minutes or maybe
an hour and a half. Andsome movies are all killer, no filler,
and then you have movies that arecompletely filler, are there any like
movies off the top of your headthat maybe somebody out there hasn't heard of.

(33:43):
You think, you know, like, what would you consider something that
needs more eyes put on it.These two films that stand out to me.
And I'm pretty much totally detached fromthe rest of the world, Like
my brain is so work focused.I just work, work, be a
dad some more. And then someonewill mentioned something. I go, oh,
that's cool, and they go,yeah, it came out seven years

(34:04):
ago. Why you watched it,you know, And I'm just like,
all right, I'm only hearing aboutit now for the first time, but
it was. And again I'll saythem and you'll go, Johnny, everyone's
literally heard of these films like they'rebig films. The first one that really
surprised me was Psycho goal Man.Honestly, I hadn't laughed that hard watching
a sort of sci fi horror film, and it was completely on a whim.

(34:29):
I was scrolling through I don't know, maybe it was Amazon, and
I saw the poster, you know, the picture for it, and I
thought that looks cool, man,that was really cool. But then it
was like, oh, it's anindie film. And I've always kind of
had bad experiences with indie films justbeing a bit mere, but I put
it on and it completely changed mymind on watching these kind of films.
And the other one was Death Gasm, which I've was lucky enough to make

(34:51):
a T shirt for and kind ofworked with Jason the director, and again
that just completely blew me away.I carryly think anything else in terms of
films that need eyes on them becauseeveryone else has heard of them that they'll
be new to me. But youknow, well, to be very fair,
is cycle Gorman fucking fantastic film?By the way, I still consider

(35:12):
that when you know one where likepeople do need to put eyes on it,
because even Death Gasm. Death Gasmgot its popularity on Netflix. I
remember that's where I saw it wason Netflix. Really yeah, I loved
it. But cycle Gorman, ifI'm not mistaken, that's a Stephen Kostansky
movie. And he did some ofthe ABC's of Death, Like there was
a movie called ABC's of Death.He did a segment four and he did

(35:34):
a segment for I think VHS ninetyfour, which I'll tell you right now
if you haven't gotten to watch anyof the VHS anthology movies. Oh my
god, those are phenomenal. Oh, let's check them out. Yeah,
they're great. It's all in uhstyles of different well, different styles of
found footage and the way they doit's pretty cool. Like some of them
are done where it's like all wefound VHS tapes, like little VHS tapes,

(35:57):
or it's like there was one segmentlike without spoilers obviously, where this
guy gets a cybernetic eyeball and thefootage comes from the eyeball you know.
Nice, Yeah, it comes fromthe video feed that's going back to the
computer chip it's link to. Oryou got a film crew trying to do
a documentary on this religious cult overseasthat like turns like way fucking bad.

(36:21):
You know, a ton of stufflike that, and it's fascinating to take
that genre and put those kinds ofspins on it where everybody knows, like
the foul footage genre most of usgot introduced via the Blair Witch Project from
the nineties, which I'm a bigdefender of that movie. I know it's
not everybody's cup of tea because likeyou know, there were people they're like,

(36:42):
oh, it's not scary, andI'm like, well, it's a
different type of scary. It's morepsychological. When it came out, it
was horrific to say nothing had doneanything like that before. No. I
remember seeing it in theaters where weme and my friend snuck into the movie
to see it. It was backin the day when you could still get
dropped off at the movie theater,you know, while your parents did whatever,

(37:04):
you know, at the mall,like because we had a movie theater
attached Trump Haul. It's like,you know. I was with a friend
of mine and they were just like, well, we're gonna go see this
movie, and if you all wantto go see this, you know some
other movies like okay, cool,and we were going to we really were
going to see this other movie.And then we both looked up and we're
like, oh shit, this isout and we seen the previous for it,
and I think we were what wasit nineteen ninety eight or ninety nine,
We were twelve or thirteen at thetime, and I was like,

(37:27):
fuck it, let's go in thissome bitch like because I was like,
they would show the movie times overthe entrance and I was like, well,
fuck, that's in ten minutes,let's just go in here. Yeah,
nobody this yeah, and we werein there like it's this real,
because you know, at the time, that was how it was marketed as
real. There were no trailers attachedto the front of the movie, and
then there were no credits, likewhen the lights went out, the movie
just started, and I missed thatkind of magic. Absolutely is. There's

(37:52):
no mystery to it anymore. Itused to be like such a big experience,
and now you just go in andfollow the format, you know,
watching through the trailers. The filmcomes on, everyone knows to sit and
wait for the credits because of thepost credit scene, and then carry on
waiting for the second post credits scenethat everyone's talked about, you know,
everything before the film has happened.I remember going watching the Flintstones movie when

(38:15):
it first came out, and theyhad people in like big suits dressed as
Fred and Barney come out in frontof the screen and I was just like,
what the fuck? It was sogood. It was so good.
John Goodman, Yeah, I lovethat movie. A lot of people kind
of forget that that that's around.I fucking loved that movie so much.

(38:35):
It was so good. So theyactually had people like in like you know
what in the theater like they werethey were going to see it. Honestly,
it was like I'd lived through afever dream. I can remember,
because I think when I went tosee it, I'd not been to see
it that many films. I wasreally young, and you know, the

(38:57):
kind of lights went down and thislike full suits, not just like men
in like cling clothes. It wasthey looked like Fred and Barney from the
TV series the cartoons with the bigsquare heads and that, and they were
kind of explaining something and there was, you know, the woman coming around
with ice creams and a little trainand everything, and I was like,
is this real? Am min acoma? What was that that YouTube video?

(39:24):
Was it? David after Dinner's werelike, is this real life happening?
Yeah, Oh my god, That'sexactly was it. But then that
kind of ruined cinema for me becauseI was expecting it every time we went
and there was nothing. I don'tknow why it was. They had something
that elaborate for the Flintstones movie.It must have been bigger than sliced bread

(39:45):
in the UK. No idea.Yeah, I was gonna say, I
don't know because I'm over here inthe stage and I know that whenever that
came out, like we had afucking McDonald's tie in, and like all
kinds of shit when they came out, like we had these glass mugs,
like I remember the glass mug thingwas such a marketing. Uh somebody,
somebody at McDonald's was like, Iknow what the gold mine is, and

(40:06):
it's these fucking flostic glass mugs becausewe had them for Flintstones, we had
them for I think we fucking hadthem for both Batman Forever and Batman and
Robin. I very vividly remember havinga Riddler mug at some point, like
where did this come from? Andmy dad was just like, oh yeah,
it was up to McDonald's and theywere fucking zoning and I was like,
oh my god, like I wasa child going face palmming, like

(40:27):
you gotta be shitting me, youknow, like what what the fuck is
this? But it's fascinating hearing that, because like we won't have shit like
that over here, Like I wouldlove to see you, no, I
would love to see people in suitslike come out and like we haven't mccomic
cons, you know, like that'swhat we expect. Though it's it's fucking
comic con, Like I I couldn'tgo to a theater on like a Wednesday

(40:50):
evening for a feature of you know, just saying it came out today.
I couldn't go to Wednesday night featureof the Flintstones and have Fred and Barney
and costume like coming out and talkingshit like like who does that? But
nobody does that here? You know, if you do that here, you
get fucking arrested or kicked out forlike you know, causing or inciting some
kind of like attack or some ship. And it's like what I miss about

(41:13):
things that I was like because whereI grew up, you had the one
cinema. It was called the RoxyTheater, and it was fucking run down,
like it was bad, but theactual main theater room was a theater
room. You only had the giantcurtains at the front and red sort of
velvet seats everywhere and you know oneight carpets going down the aisles and all

(41:37):
that kind of stuff. It wasn'tlike a big elaborate cinema. So why
the fuck they had Fred and Barneyappear? What if they were there on
their own courd like the theater didn'tapprove and they just just got in.
They just got it their like tuckedinto a bag or something. Some now
they're just exactly, yeah, exactly, it's just like we'll see what we

(42:00):
await with this. That reminds me, dude, I missed those type of
theaters. We had what we calledthe Dollar Cinema over here in my hometown
where we have both the Cinemak XDat the mall and then we have the
Cinemak Bistro theater across town. Usedto actually, like right up the street

(42:21):
from where my house is currently,we had a movie theater here called the
Charles Cinema and it was three screensand it was one of the big three
theaters in town in the nineties andhell before them. So when the chain
theaters came to town, that one, you know, got relegated to two
screens, and then they would showmovies that were in theaters like four or

(42:45):
five months ago but discounted, LikeI saw Sin City over there for two
dollars and fifty cents in two thousandand five or two thousand and six whenever
it came out. And I sawGrindhouse at that same theater when it came
out. Yeah, So when Itell you the state of that theater when

(43:07):
I'm talking like going in, it'sold, like this is in the two
thousands, and I know that halfthis shit was from the nineteen seventies in
there, like the old tattered likeblue curtains on the wall in the lobby.
Then you go in the theater.Because you know how we have like
the big giant vaulted seating now inall of our cinemas. This was still

(43:28):
back when they have just straight rowsthat just kind of barely would curb up
as you got to the back.And I missed that stuff because those seats
were a lot more comfortable, firstof all, and they were yeah,
and it you could still smell likethe cigarette smoke from it just being in
the curtains. Yeah, And youknow what I'm talking about, Like,
uh, if you've ever if anybodyout there has ever gone to like a

(43:51):
concert, like at a bar,like a local dive bar, where like
you could smoke indoors the microphones likeI used to roady for my dad's band
and hew and being in a bandof my own, like you could smell
like the stale smoke on the fabricof the inside of the guitar cases or
like the microphones or just anywhere itsmelled like that in the theater. I
was like, there's something fucking likeI'm probably gonna get called weird for this,

(44:14):
and don't give a shit. There'ssomething oddly charming about that because it
just creates this entire kind of likeatmosphere, especially seeing a movie like Sinn
City or Grindhouse, where it's like, Okay, this is they accidentally created
a great element to see these filmsin. You know, so I miss
shit like that. So hearing youtalk about the Roxy being you know,

(44:35):
just fucking run down like that,I'm sitting here going that's a fucking dream
for me. I love the oldshould have been torn down years ago places
like I love to explore places likethat, and hell, if you find
stuff that's still open with its originalstuff, oh my god, that's that's
so amazing to me. I lovethat shit. It's nice looking back on
it. At the time, itwas weird as fuck, but you know,
it's like the carpets everywhere, andthen they even had still the outside

(45:00):
with the person in it, youknow, the glass booth and ship.
Yeah. Yeah, it was soweird and you'd go in and if you
if you took a left inside thefoyer, you'd have like a big grand
staircase schedule foot was going to gothrough the carpet at any point, and
there was arcade machines at the topof them, and it you know,

(45:22):
if it et your money and youdidn't get to play, you tell someone
who work there, and they're justlike, what the fuck do you want
us to do about it? Yeah, you know, they're just okay,
cool. I'm pretty sure if youcarried on going up, the lights were
just off. There was a wholeother like section of a theater there,
but it was just in pitch black. They could have been squatters in there,
they could have been vampires. Whoknows anymore, but the mystery was

(45:45):
unreal. Oh but I would haveloved that, like I still would.
I Actually I got sad when theyfinally tore the building down a few years
ago, Like the cinema I wastalking about over here in town. They
finally like tore it down because theywere like, oh, we need to
build a bank here, and I'mlike, well, we have like twenty
of those here already. We reallyneed a twenty first bank. The one

(46:06):
thing that I really wish we hadin my hometown, which I've just been
seeing ads for Ghost Con UK.There's a ton of bands that are tribute
bands, you know, for Ghost, and then there's also tribute bands for
many other bands that I love,like the Misfits and fucking Like. I

(46:28):
mean, I've mentioned Ghost several times, but like there's the Misfits, you
know, there's kiss bands that arelike tribute bands, you name it.
If there's a theatrical element to it, it's perfect for any tribute band to
do. I wish we had thathere, even just a good local music
scene again because I missed that.I used to be part of it and
it just kind of, you know, kind of died off really And I

(46:52):
love supporting local music, so anytimethey do have shows, I like to
go to them. Are there anylike local bands over the UK? Like
outside of some of the tribute bandsand hell have you? I'm sure you've
seen some of the tribute bands.You were at ghost Con this past year
selling your art and everything. Arethere are there? Like? Is there
a pretty good music scene over there, like locally in underground or is it

(47:15):
just kind of like died off orjust few and far between or I think
it's a lot harder for sort oflocal and underground bands now, mainly because
the venues, the bigger venues arejust like, why would we bother putting
you on? Well, we're goingto book whoever from the States or any
big bands. But you seem tofind a lot of local bands managing to

(47:39):
get a support slot for the bigbands. Now you know that you'll have
a main support and then they'll getship bags from down the road. Yeah,
you bring them on. But it'sit's good. And the tribute bands
are really good, you know.I was when I was at Ghost on
the UK. Unfortunately I was stillvendor for most of the bands. I

(48:01):
managed to get in at the endto watch the Ghost tribute band, which
is awesome, and I kind ofgot to meet a few of the guys
from the Misfits tribute band and theRamstein tribute band. I can't remember the
names, but I could hear itfrom upstairs and from upstairs thinking it doesn't

(48:22):
sound that far off, you know, like it sounds pretty good to me.
Yeah, I love that because thefirst time I ever heard of a
tribute band this was forever ago,Like I'm talking like forever ago, and
it was a Van Halen tribute band, and I wish I knew what the
fucking name of that band was.But at some point I think the guitarist

(48:46):
for that tribute band wound up beingDavid Lee Roth's guitar player on one of
his tours because he knew, yeah, because he knew the material. It's
like that movie rock Star with MarkWahlberg and like how they they kind of
base that on how Judas Priest hadtheir one replacement for Rob Halford for a
while. They they found him ina tribute band. How Journey and their

(49:09):
current singer on El Paneda they foundhim in a tribute mail to It's nuts
to think that, you know whatif Toby has decided, like you know,
whenever you know, the time comeswhere he's like, well I got
to replace a member, or likewe need somebody else, or like one
of the members like I can't dothis anymore, and he's like yeah,
looks to one of these bands.It's like, hey, you know,
the ship come on. Like that'sthat's the thing about tribute bands, Like

(49:30):
you can play the music that youlove to play, and it's obviously like
you know, a love letter tothe band itself. But then it's like
you never know, you might geta fucking phone call one day. Honestly,
I think people think that these kindof opportunities are you know, like
gold dust, and they don't happen, but like it does it literally does?
You know? It could be lookingon YouTube one day and go,
oh shit, that guy knows howto play the song all right, emailing.

(49:52):
They don't need to train him upjust to turn to shake his hips
on stage. You'll be fine,yeah, shit right, throw a bask
off just like hey, like watchfootage from this pass toward and do that,
just just do yeah exactly, yeah, yeah. And it's it's so
fascinating to me. I enjoy tributebands very much because I feel like you

(50:13):
have to, Like it's like backin the eighties. You're totally gonna get
what I mean when I say this, Back in the day, you had
to be good, like you couldn'tfuck up you, you couldn't like sort
of know your shit, like youhad to be good to make it and
to be in a band. Andlike most people kind of shot on hair

(50:34):
metal back then. But let mebe one of the first people to tell
those people those musicians could fucking runcircles around you on their instruments. They
were fucking beyond good and they onlylooked like they sucked because they played in
the pocket. Your bassist and drummersplayed in the pocket, and your guitar
player shredded like a son of abitch, and your singer could hit all

(50:55):
these high false I don knows,but guess what they were good at doing
it, Like, you had tobe on top of your shit, and
then these tribute bands, you gotto be on top of your shit to
do it. Yeah, the youknow, and the hair metal bands were
drunken high as shit and they couldstill do it, you know exactly.
I remember Motley Cruze talking about howthey recorded like fuck. They were talking

(51:17):
about whenever they recorded their Doctor FeelGood album, they were like, yeah,
that's the first album were recorded completelystolen sober. I was like,
fuck because all your other shit stillsounded good. I mean you could tell
now, like they didn't play withmetronomes, because that's back when bands played
live, like they actually did liverecordings in the studio, or they would
like just do it with no clicktrack and they still kicked ass, like

(51:39):
you know, yeah exactly. Musicis great all over the place. I
appreciate anything that's out now and isout then, but I think the landscape
changed a lot in terms of howit used to be done to how it's
done now. Like I don't thinka band like the Misfits would I mean
they could, because they're the fuckingMisfits, but I don't know that they

(52:00):
could get away with doing an albumjust the same like they used to do,
like back in the late seventies earlyeighties, you know, like whenever
earth Ad was out and all thatother shit. Yeah fuck, you know,
because it didn't matter. They werepunk. Rocket was sloppy. It
was you know, that's how youplayed. Now you know, producers are
like, no, we gotta wegotta make it sound as Christine as Polish.

(52:21):
I can't picture of Polish misfits likeI know, it's happened like a
or about as polish as they couldget, you know, when Jerry was
like fronting the band. But it'sbeen cool to see Danzig back in the
fold for as long as he hasbecause it wasn't supposed to last as long.
That was just supposed to be thatone year and he's like, yo,
just yeah, this is the thisis the one year we're doing it.
That's it. And it's like,dude, y'all are still fucking playing

(52:44):
shows, but hey, I wouldhope to see them one day, like
in this lineup, because I've beena fucking long time Misfit fan. So
yeah, absolutely, it's one ofthose iv he says it's going to be
a show put on, people willcome and then he'll go, oh,
put another show on, then keepgoing. Have you seen his movie?
No, I keep seeing pictures fromit, The Vampire Spaghetti Western, because

(53:07):
that's his other one that's coming out, Like I've been waiting on that when
we cheap plug. If anybody outthere is listening, if you want to
hear one of the first times,well it wasn't one of the first times,
but if you want to hear oneof the first versions of the current
incarnation of the super media rose,go find the episode that Devin and I
did on Veronica. That's that's theGlenn Danzig movie that I was talking about

(53:29):
Veronica. That movie is an anthologyof a comic series that he did and
it was called Yeah it's so,how do I put this? Glenn Danzig
became Tommy wise O for a hotminute. Do you know what I was
just about to say, Is itanything like The Room It is the Room
of Horror? Yeah, yeah,it's the Room of Horror. I think

(53:52):
we actually said it like that onthere too, because he had the budget
and he had like these HD camerasand these people in this movie, and
it shot very well. I sayshot. It looks good like the cameras
that were used. It looks good, but it just kind of makes the
flaws that much more noticeable. Andit's it's just so bad it's good.

(54:15):
It's like, it's pretty fucking crummy, dude, Like it's it's one of
those movies where I'll just say,like this, get get a bunch of
friends together, get a bunch ofbeer, get food, and just be
prepared to laugh your dick off atit. It's fucking it's the funniest damn
shit ever. And we actually putthat up against Cradle of Fear, which
is Danny Filth from Cradle of Filts. It's not his movie, but he's

(54:38):
in the movie, and it shoton video. It was a movie that
was shot on video, so itlooks VHS like, you know, super
high high frame rate. But itwas fucking decent for what it was,
and what a pair of movies towatch back to back. So do with
that information, which you will.But Veronica was the Room of Horror.

(55:02):
I love to look into them.It sounds this sounds awfully great. I'll
send you know what, I'll sendyou a link. I'll because I don't
know if I'm not sure if it'sstreaming. It might be streaming like for
rent or whatever, but like Iwill send it to you as far as
like, hey, I think thisis where you can either buy it or
you can like rent it or whatever. Yeah, I guess to wrap this

(55:22):
up, sence, we like kindof on a roll with like movies and
like The Room and Ship like that, and we've talked about bands and stuff
like that. What what is theworst movie that you have ever fucking seen,
like personally, because like The Roomis widely regarded as the best bad
movie and I and I quite loveThe Room. Actually, I'm I'm sure
you do too, but like,like, what what is like in those

(55:45):
regards, Like, what what isprobably like the worst movie you think you've
ever watched that you that you canremember? Cool? You go, I'm
gonna have to think about that whenI've been so selective with what I watched,
like the last few years, Idon't even think I'll give myself time
to process a bad movie, becauseif it gets like ten minutes in,

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I will just turn it off.There's one film I can remember from the
like lush Hit, and I'll saythat. Some people go, no,
it was a phenomenal film. Itwas amazing. It's a film I saw
in Netflix called The Empty Man,and I've never heard of it. It's
like ten really cool ideas that someonehas just gone, I can't pick one.

(56:29):
Let's just use all of them.Let's just put all them. This
film, it's like these hikers inthe Tibetan mountains come across this sort of
huge I don't know if it's areal thing or if it's supposed to be
a statue of like this giant monsteryhuman in his cave, and it infects
one of them, like it getsin their brain and he goes off and

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kills his friends. Okay, I'mfollowing you so far. And then the
next bit of the film happens andyou go, why did you show me
this? This has got no bearingon anything. And it's a man trying
to find his daughter or his daughter'skiller or something. Then it's like a
space cult, and then it's likea Cuthulhu thing, and then it's time
travel and then and honestly, it'slike a three hour long movie. Three

(57:14):
hours of this. It's super long, and do you know what, it
probably even isn't it's probably like anhour and a half. But it felt
horrific and I probably had like fifteenminutes of this film left and I just
turned it off, like I don'teven care anymore. That's fucking awful.
Dude, not a clue, couldnot tell you one coherent thing, and

(57:34):
it just angered me. And Ithink that's probably do you know what?
That was the worst film I've seenin all the time. Okay, now
I want to see it. Iwant to see it just so I can,
like, I want to be ableto like share this experience and that
way, like when we're chatting lateror whatever, I can, I can
text you and just like, dude, you're right, that was like the
worst fucking thing I've ever seen.I can't. I can't get in that
part of my life back whatsoever.I would rather watch Winnie the Pooh,

(57:58):
Blood and Honey again. I wouldmuch rather anything like that, which I
don't know if you've seen or heardof that, but I've seen the trailer
and the pictures, but I'm notI didn't watch it. No, put
it to you this way, likeas to wrap up this one, like
I'll just give you some movies likeuh, that one. That one is
is kind of fun to watch,and it's fascinating as well, because like

(58:19):
it's one of those movies that fellinto like the whole public domain, so
like they're able to do it,and it made it made so much money
they're giving it a sequel, sothere's that. Yeah. I think two
of the best movies, like surprisingly, two of the best movies I saw
this year was Evil Dead Rise andFive Nights at Freddy's as far as horror
movies go, because I thought FiveNights that Freddy's did phenomenally well with the

(58:40):
source material and Evil Dead Rise wasmetal as fuck. Yeah, I really
liked it. I really liked it. I figured you would like. That's
I compared Evil Dead Rise to Deadby Dawn as far as like where I
rank it, like in terms ofthat whole franchise. But yeah, definitely
check out if you haven't like,check check that one of the Pool movie

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out. Man, it's it's it'sit's something. It was. It was
definitely a movie. It was definitelya fucking movie. Dude. I really
appreciate you coming and hanging out onhere with me. Man. I know
you you had said this was yourfirst time doing something like this, and
it's yeah, I'm really glad thatyou were like, yeah, I'll do
it because I've been wanting to shootthe ship with you for a hot minute,

(59:24):
you know, just on Yeah,good, I'm glad. Do you
have anything like you're doing as faras like, do you have any kind
of appearances coming up you want topromote or just any anywhere that anybody out
there listening can go to buy yourmerge or buy your your art anything like
that. Sure. So the onlything the pipeline thus far is I'm hopefully,

(59:45):
I say hopefully, I'm gonna bedoing Ghost on UK again next year
because that was such a blast andeveryone was really nice, and just to
meet people that I've spoken to andpeople that I didn't even realize that I've
spoken to, you know, itwas just so nice and such a lovely
experience, and from that we've grownmore friends and people have been messaging me.

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It's been really lovely. I don'thave any other appearances. You can
find what's left of my current artprints over on my Shopify store, which
I think is a link on myInstagram, or if you'll come to the
post, you'll find a link.We had to keep your eyes out for
more artwork that's going to be onthere soon. I've got some things in

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the pipeline for that which is goingto be quite relevant to the gons posting
group. And yeah, that's that'sme as me wrapped up. Awesome guys,
And if you are a fan ofghost and you like ship posting,
come search guns to posting on Facebookand join our fucking ragtag group of ghouls

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and goolay and all the fun shit. It's a blast in there. Be
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I love supporting the art community,and I mean coming from being a

(01:01:14):
musician myself, like that's where it'sout, you know, like that's that's
your bread, like that that's yourbread and butter. That's a lot of
you know, it's a lot ofhow we like either make our living or
that gives us our our mental healthlike a great yeah, you know boost,
because I think I think the worldcould use a lot more positivity these
days. Really absolutely it does.Think we need as much of it as

(01:01:35):
we can get. Now. Yeah, Well, dude, if I'm ever
over in the UK near your neckof the woods, or you ever find
yourself here in the States, Iswear before before I enter whatever lies beyond
this life, I am going tohave I'm going to share a fucking beer
with you and just bullshit with youover some music. Dude. It's been
a fucking yeah, it's been afucking pleasure talking with you, man,
And I know I'm going to seeyou, you know, in and out

(01:01:59):
of the group and you know onchatting here and there. But everybody that's
listening out there, we really appreciateyour time and Johnny, thanks again for
hanging out with me. Dude.It's been it's been fucking awesome and I'd
love you much. Yeah, forsure, I want to have you back
on whenever a ghost cong comes aroundthis year. That way we can promote
that and everything too, So you'realways welcome back on anytime you want to

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come hang out with me. Sothank you very much,