April 9, 2025 • 21 mins
What´s the story and influence behind Navigating Cancer TOGETHER Podcast? Talaya Dendy, Cancer Doula & Cancer Advocate at On The Otherside, Podcast Creator and Host of "Navigating Cancer TOGETHER" shares her insight on guiding clents through their cancer journey, offering emotional & practical support. https://www.ontheotherside.life https://www.linkedin.com/in/talayadendy
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Talk to Brazil with Tom Rioch, the business
connector to business in Brazil. Talk to Brazil podcast talks
with business experts throughout the world. I'm Tom connecting people
from my studio in Brazil. Joining us today from Minneapolis, Minnesota,
Talaiya Dendy. She's a cancer dola and advocate at on
(00:24):
the Other Side, on the Other Side and podcast host
of Navigating Cancer Together. So, Talaya, I saw a LinkedIn
post of yours talking about the cover art for Navigating
Cancer Together. What's the story and influence behind that.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yes, Tom, thank you so much for having me and
thank you for your question. So the post that you
saw on LinkedIn, Tom, was actually brilliant announcement about the
change to the cover art for Navigating Cancer Together. Original
art for the show was it had a microphone and
(01:04):
it had the words of Navigating Cancer Together. Well, things
have changed. Just about everyone knows that it's a podcast now,
So I got rid of the microphone and the headphones.
But I really wanted to keep the true essence of
the hands and everything else that was on there. And
so Navigating Cancer Together grew out of an experience that
(01:26):
I had with cancer and I was diagnosed with Hotchkins
lymphoma in twenty eleven, and I really needed a greater
level of emotional support. And by that I mean, of
course I had the support of my family and my friends,
but none of them understood what I was going through,
and so there was no one for me to talk
(01:47):
with who actually had experienced cancer, or even Hotchkins lymphoma
for that matter, and so they, although I had support,
they really didn't understand.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's why at that time they always knew somebody who
had it right.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, yes they knew someone who hadn't, but it wasn't
them who could say, you know, to Leah, here's what
you can look out for when you start chemotherapy. You
know that feeling that you have, that's a normal feeling,
and so that piece was missing, that emotional support. Now.
(02:24):
Navigating cancer together actually grew out of my business on
the other side, where I'm a cancer doula. When COVID
came around, I was doing monthly virtual get togethers for free,
and each month I would just bring together whoever wanted
to come and we talk about a different topic every month,
(02:46):
and so it was a great time for people to
come together that had cancer or even caregivers, and we
would just talk about, you know, what was going on.
So many people were feeling isolated alone, even more so
than they word before. Now Tom, once people started getting
back to life so to speak, you know, when the
(03:08):
restrictions were being lifted and things like that, I noticed
that attendance in those monthly brtual get together as we're
dwin the link. But I still wanted to be able
to reach people, connect with people, and have an outlet
for people. And I'd always wanted to do a podcast,
but I had always talked myself out of it because
(03:29):
I'm like, you don't know what you're doing. You don't
have a microphone, you don't have headphones, you don't know
how to do this. But finally Tom in twenty twenty one,
actually July of twenty twenty one is when I started planning.
I said, forget it, I'm going to do this. But
August twenty twenty one time is when I launched my
(03:50):
first episode August third, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And I had I want to say, we connected on LinkedIn. Yes,
November twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
One, Okay, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
From what you started doing that, I actually found.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You nice, nice and I'm so glad we connected.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
No, but that's how people can connect. How can you
connect to some of it you're not connected to? First
of all, on your side, you started propagating information about
what you're doing. And again I was searching and found
things that I did, and that's how we met. Yeah,
and here we are, interviewed you, and here we are again.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Here we are keep circling back around. I love it.
I love it. And so finally, Tom, I just said,
forget it. I'm going to take what I have learn
as I go and get the message out there and
give people what they need. And so that is essentially
time how Navigating Cancer Together the podcast got started. And
(04:56):
the cover art is really it reflects the court and
connection that is really at the heart of Navigating Cancer Together.
And it's about being in a place now where I
can give back what I needed when I was going
through my cancer journey. And so really what you see
(05:18):
in that podcast cover art is like the encircling of
the words Navigating Cancer Together. It symbolizes unity, it symbolizes
wholeness in community, which is really at the heart of
the show, and it's at the heart of what I
needed and what so many people need when they get
(05:39):
that diagnosis. They just want to feel seen, heard and understood.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
And so you hit on a word. It's very important community.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Community.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
What you were able to do is create a community
not only of persons who have or had cancer, but
it's everybody around that The interested part is, if you
want to put it that way, the need to be
interested parties because people find out is they may not
have cancer, but maybe someday they could.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Someday they could.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Then what do you do? So when you're in the
same point of you know, where can I find something?
Sometimes it's better to be part of a community.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, So then you don't.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
See from what you're your new cover art, it's more
a community aspect than actually podcasts, even though the podcast
is an important part of what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Mm hmm. Yeah. It really is about community and creating
and offering that sense of belonging. And one thing I
really want to point out, because you said the work
community is like together is capitalized. A lot of people
may not make that connection, but it's capitalized because it
(06:55):
really drives home that cancer is something that must be
done together, right. It is something that you will get
through with community. And so That is one thing that
I really wanted to highlight as well.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And I can see that because I'm looking at your
the Navigating Cancer Together site and you say, upon receiving
a cancer diagnosis, the patient typically faces many challenges, including
feeling confused, overwhelmed, and alone. And alone is exactly that.
It's not a community thing. You should not be alone,
(07:31):
even though if you feel that, it says all of
them are emotionally draining. And I think the most the
biggest drain comes from the sense of being alone in.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
This Yes, the sense of being alone, the sense of
feeling like you're misunderstood or you're not heard or seen, yes.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Or you're just complaining. Right, you're depressed because of.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Right, yes, you know, why don't you just be positive?
You know, look on the bright side. And I mean,
there's a time and a place for everything. I always say,
and this is another important part of the show. Also
is being able to hear the stories of other people
so that you can say, you know, what that person
(08:17):
went through the same thing I went through, and they feeled,
they cried and that's okay, or they were angry and
that's okay. It's so important to just be able to
see someone else get through what you're going through and
they've made it on the other side, and now you
know they're thriving, they're living life to the best of
(08:40):
their ability. They've made some positive changes in their lives.
It could be with help, it could be with relationships,
it could be with their jobs, stress levels. So just
being able to see and hear where people started at
and where they're at now is very empowering and offers
a lot of hope for the listeners.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Nice for like three years, you've had one hundred and
sixty three episodes. Yes, so you today there's no there's
no frontier anymore. You the community is really not local.
It's global.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's global. Yeah, it's global. And that's such a blessing
because you know, when I get those messages from people
all over the world that say, hey, I listened to
this episode, it really helped me to figure out how
I wanted to move forward, or it really helped me
to get out of this tough spot that I was in.
I mean, that is such a blessing because that is
(09:38):
I didn't know where this show was going to go.
I really didn't. I just know what I want it
to do.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Everywhere we find out later the podcast shows go everywhere.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Everywhere and people are listening.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Everywhere, and cancer ravages persons everywhere everywhere, and the same
loneliness everywhere. Yes, and I said, why did we find
each other? That's the way it should because I was
looking for something, I found it and I'm in Brazil,
so that you know it happens, it really does happen.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And you know, I say that that is a beautiful
thing about just starting with what you have because you
never know, you never know who's going to be able
to see and hear and get something from what you
have to offer. So share your gifts, get out there,
start somewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
No, it really struck me from after we first met
was that on the other side really were able to
get from where we thought we were and start thinking
about there is another side. And you mentioned you talked
about thriving, you just surviving, So it is to get
(10:56):
somewhere else but also be functional, productive.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And do something that's right, that's right. And you know
that's the other thing, Tom is, like I always say,
just because someone gets a cancer diagnosis, it doesn't mean
that they're going to die. Now. Once you get that diagnosis, yes,
you will be in survivor mode because you have to
figure this thing out. But once you get your once
(11:23):
you get your footing, that's when you want to start
to think about how can I thrive? What can I
learn from this experience? You know, how can I move
forward in life in you know, a better way or
take it to the next level. And all of that
is part of thriving. We are not victims because we've
been diagnosed with cancer. That is a sure way to
(11:46):
fall into long term depression, anxiety, all those things that
you don't need. You know, figure out what you need
to just keep going forward day by day. And I
want to say that every step that you take right,
do what you can each day, and pretty soon you
(12:08):
will be thriving and you will no longer be in
survivor mode.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, we talked about this, I think the first time
that either I interviewed you you interviewed. I don't even remember.
But what I do remember is one thing that a
doctor told me. Says, the physical cure and here's the surgery,
says I could take the cancer out. But what he
said it resonates until today, says the cure is in
your head.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yes, And so I think that's importantly.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
What you just said. We have to not only look
towards tomorrow, we have to approach it. We have to
do something about getting there. And part of the cure
of anything, any medication, anything that anybody goes through, part
of it's in the head. So if you think you
can be curd you can be. If you think you
could be better, you will be. But one of the
(12:57):
things that I felt, and I've seen that from my
other what I call my chemo cousins, what is the depression?
Then once it says that's more difficult than the physical things.
So how do we get out? How do we change
the mindset? Yeah, because when you're it's basically when you're
in the middle of it, it's wrong to say, well
(13:19):
you feel good. No, And it's also most peoples who
I know how you feel, they don't. I didn't know
how I felt, explain how I felt exactly. But if
I thought that, well, you know, I could get over
this or get through it, that really helped me.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And you know, just believing that you have a future,
you know, and understanding that yes, you are a human.
I really believe that it starts with giving yourself grace.
We give grace to everyone else but ourselves a lot
of the time. And I think that's part of that
mindset too, like, hey, I deserve to give myself grace
(14:00):
through a really hard thing right now, and I give
myself some grace and give myself some time because one
of the things that I found in my experience is that,
you know, I wanted things to happen right away. I
wanted to just hurry up and get through it. And
then that's when it became hard. But when I just said,
(14:20):
you know what, Tala, this is going to take some time.
Just take it one day at a time, and then
it became so much easier and it became so much
more manageable. And I just want people to hear that
as well, because we want to get you know, we
want to feel better right away so we can get
back to work or we can get back to all
(14:40):
these things. And it's like, you have to give yourself grace,
give yourself time. Your body's changing, it's different.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
We need time, it needs time mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, And so all these different things, all these changes
are happening at the same time, and you have to
give give it time to let things kind of settle
and see where they land, and then you can kind of,
you know, put together a plan and you know, start
to work towards something. But sometimes you just have to
(15:15):
be and that's hard for a lot of us.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Now, tell our listeners, what's the next step? Where where
do you go with what you've done?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
That's a great question, Tom. I think that one of
the things I definitely want to do is keep the
podcast going. I am hopefully soon here in the next
few months. Wick has been doing some some things, so
I'm not sure if I'm going to stay on that
platform or not. But I am creating an online community
(15:48):
forum where people can come off of social media and
join join this online forum where they could just talk
about whatever they want to talk about, you know, you know,
I'm feeling this way today, and they can get encouragement, support,
those kinds of things. So a private online forum. And
(16:09):
then actually it's kind of actually a spin off of
the podcast also because people, for example, if I put
a post out about the podcast and I ask a
particular question, people don't always respond on that post, they
don't comment on that post, but they'll send me a
private message and I'm like, okay, they want to communicate,
(16:31):
but maybe not out in the open. And that's that's
the reason for this forum. With the podcast, I see
the podcasts continuing to keep going. The format might change
a little bit, Actually it has. I've been doing more
sharing more of my story and not just on a
surface level, like I've been really drilling down deep on
(16:55):
particular topics and spending more time with that. So those
are the most notable changes right now, and I'm sure
there'll be more changes in the future. But I think
that the thing for me is just as long as
people you know, want to have these discussions, to make
(17:16):
sure that I'm able to help facilitate those discussions need.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
And so, yes, well you have created Really it's not
the platform in a podcast sense, but it is a
meeting point.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yes, it's a sharing point.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And back to your your cover art, it's hand in hand,
and it's personal.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's very personal. Yes, it's very personal.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It's not you know, everybody had the same thing. We
can all have similar things. It's individual, right.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's individual, and it's very intimate.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Exactly. That's probably more correct than just being individual. And
back to your point of not wanting to share it
on anywhere, it has to, it needs to be and
I'm I personally believe that it's something you need to
share just with another person or few people.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yes, And obviously the.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
More we can share it with persons who have an
understanding of what we're talking about, the more meaningful that
any answer comes. And that's basically basically that's what you do.
Because back to the the emotional draining portion, Yes, it
drains people.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It really does, really does.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It is something that takes your energy away. So that's
the physical energy, but if you take the emotional energy,
that's a challenge.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It really is because just think how you feel on
a regular day when you just feel emotionally drained. You're
not feeling that way mentally, but physically as well, and
then that affects how clearly you're thinking, That affects you
being able to get other things done, and so it's
(19:16):
like a domino effect. It is that people really don't
even talk about, you know, and I think all of
those things are so important to bring to the forefront.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Very good. Well, how can our listeners find you?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yes, Well, first of all, they can find my website
at on the other side dot life, and that is
the website for my organization and cancer Douler Support. However,
there is a tab on there for the podcast Navigating
Cancer Together. Also, Navigating Cancer Together can be found on
all of the major podcast platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube,
(20:00):
what some of the other ones, iHeartRadio, Deezer, Amazon, Amazon Music,
Amazon Music everywhere. Yeah, so just just look forward Navigating
Cancer Together. You'll see the cover art with the hands
and the words Navigating Cancer Together. So listen, there's something
(20:20):
for everyone there.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Very good. Well, thanks again for being part.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Thank you, Thank you town for having me. So good
to see you again.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
It's my pleasure and again for our listeners. You can
find more Mostlaiya Dandy t A l A y A.
The last name is d e n d Y. Find
her on LinkedIn, her site which is on the other
side dot life, and the podcast Navigating Cancer Together on
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(21:13):
The Business Connector to Brazil.
Welcome to Talk to Brazil with Tom Rioch, the business
connector to business in Brazil. Talk to Brazil podcast talks
with business experts throughout the world. I'm Tom connecting people
from my studio in Brazil. Joining us today from Minneapolis, Minnesota,
Talaiya Dendy. She's a cancer dola and advocate at on
(00:24):
the Other Side, on the Other Side and podcast host
of Navigating Cancer Together. So, Talaya, I saw a LinkedIn
post of yours talking about the cover art for Navigating
Cancer Together. What's the story and influence behind that.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yes, Tom, thank you so much for having me and
thank you for your question. So the post that you
saw on LinkedIn, Tom, was actually brilliant announcement about the
change to the cover art for Navigating Cancer Together. Original
art for the show was it had a microphone and
(01:04):
it had the words of Navigating Cancer Together. Well, things
have changed. Just about everyone knows that it's a podcast now,
So I got rid of the microphone and the headphones.
But I really wanted to keep the true essence of
the hands and everything else that was on there. And
so Navigating Cancer Together grew out of an experience that
(01:26):
I had with cancer and I was diagnosed with Hotchkins
lymphoma in twenty eleven, and I really needed a greater
level of emotional support. And by that I mean, of
course I had the support of my family and my friends,
but none of them understood what I was going through,
and so there was no one for me to talk
(01:47):
with who actually had experienced cancer, or even Hotchkins lymphoma
for that matter, and so they, although I had support,
they really didn't understand.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's why at that time they always knew somebody who
had it right.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, yes they knew someone who hadn't, but it wasn't
them who could say, you know, to Leah, here's what
you can look out for when you start chemotherapy. You
know that feeling that you have, that's a normal feeling,
and so that piece was missing, that emotional support. Now.
(02:24):
Navigating cancer together actually grew out of my business on
the other side, where I'm a cancer doula. When COVID
came around, I was doing monthly virtual get togethers for free,
and each month I would just bring together whoever wanted
to come and we talk about a different topic every month,
(02:46):
and so it was a great time for people to
come together that had cancer or even caregivers, and we
would just talk about, you know, what was going on.
So many people were feeling isolated alone, even more so
than they word before. Now Tom, once people started getting
back to life so to speak, you know, when the
(03:08):
restrictions were being lifted and things like that, I noticed
that attendance in those monthly brtual get together as we're
dwin the link. But I still wanted to be able
to reach people, connect with people, and have an outlet
for people. And I'd always wanted to do a podcast,
but I had always talked myself out of it because
(03:29):
I'm like, you don't know what you're doing. You don't
have a microphone, you don't have headphones, you don't know
how to do this. But finally Tom in twenty twenty one,
actually July of twenty twenty one is when I started planning.
I said, forget it, I'm going to do this. But
August twenty twenty one time is when I launched my
(03:50):
first episode August third, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And I had I want to say, we connected on LinkedIn. Yes,
November twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
One, Okay, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
From what you started doing that, I actually found.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You nice, nice and I'm so glad we connected.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
No, but that's how people can connect. How can you
connect to some of it you're not connected to? First
of all, on your side, you started propagating information about
what you're doing. And again I was searching and found
things that I did, and that's how we met. Yeah,
and here we are, interviewed you, and here we are again.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Here we are keep circling back around. I love it.
I love it. And so finally, Tom, I just said,
forget it. I'm going to take what I have learn
as I go and get the message out there and
give people what they need. And so that is essentially
time how Navigating Cancer Together the podcast got started. And
(04:56):
the cover art is really it reflects the court and
connection that is really at the heart of Navigating Cancer Together.
And it's about being in a place now where I
can give back what I needed when I was going
through my cancer journey. And so really what you see
(05:18):
in that podcast cover art is like the encircling of
the words Navigating Cancer Together. It symbolizes unity, it symbolizes
wholeness in community, which is really at the heart of
the show, and it's at the heart of what I
needed and what so many people need when they get
(05:39):
that diagnosis. They just want to feel seen, heard and understood.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
And so you hit on a word. It's very important community.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Community.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
What you were able to do is create a community
not only of persons who have or had cancer, but
it's everybody around that The interested part is, if you
want to put it that way, the need to be
interested parties because people find out is they may not
have cancer, but maybe someday they could.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Someday they could.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Then what do you do? So when you're in the
same point of you know, where can I find something?
Sometimes it's better to be part of a community.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, So then you don't.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
See from what you're your new cover art, it's more
a community aspect than actually podcasts, even though the podcast
is an important part of what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Mm hmm. Yeah. It really is about community and creating
and offering that sense of belonging. And one thing I
really want to point out, because you said the work
community is like together is capitalized. A lot of people
may not make that connection, but it's capitalized because it
(06:55):
really drives home that cancer is something that must be
done together, right. It is something that you will get
through with community. And so That is one thing that
I really wanted to highlight as well.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And I can see that because I'm looking at your
the Navigating Cancer Together site and you say, upon receiving
a cancer diagnosis, the patient typically faces many challenges, including
feeling confused, overwhelmed, and alone. And alone is exactly that.
It's not a community thing. You should not be alone,
(07:31):
even though if you feel that, it says all of
them are emotionally draining. And I think the most the
biggest drain comes from the sense of being alone in.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
This Yes, the sense of being alone, the sense of
feeling like you're misunderstood or you're not heard or seen, yes.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Or you're just complaining. Right, you're depressed because of.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Right, yes, you know, why don't you just be positive?
You know, look on the bright side. And I mean,
there's a time and a place for everything. I always say,
and this is another important part of the show. Also
is being able to hear the stories of other people
so that you can say, you know, what that person
(08:17):
went through the same thing I went through, and they feeled,
they cried and that's okay, or they were angry and
that's okay. It's so important to just be able to
see someone else get through what you're going through and
they've made it on the other side, and now you
know they're thriving, they're living life to the best of
(08:40):
their ability. They've made some positive changes in their lives.
It could be with help, it could be with relationships,
it could be with their jobs, stress levels. So just
being able to see and hear where people started at
and where they're at now is very empowering and offers
a lot of hope for the listeners.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Nice for like three years, you've had one hundred and
sixty three episodes. Yes, so you today there's no there's
no frontier anymore. You the community is really not local.
It's global.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's global. Yeah, it's global. And that's such a blessing
because you know, when I get those messages from people
all over the world that say, hey, I listened to
this episode, it really helped me to figure out how
I wanted to move forward, or it really helped me
to get out of this tough spot that I was in.
I mean, that is such a blessing because that is
(09:38):
I didn't know where this show was going to go.
I really didn't. I just know what I want it
to do.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Everywhere we find out later the podcast shows go everywhere.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Everywhere and people are listening.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Everywhere, and cancer ravages persons everywhere everywhere, and the same
loneliness everywhere. Yes, and I said, why did we find
each other? That's the way it should because I was
looking for something, I found it and I'm in Brazil,
so that you know it happens, it really does happen.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And you know, I say that that is a beautiful
thing about just starting with what you have because you
never know, you never know who's going to be able
to see and hear and get something from what you
have to offer. So share your gifts, get out there,
start somewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
No, it really struck me from after we first met
was that on the other side really were able to
get from where we thought we were and start thinking
about there is another side. And you mentioned you talked
about thriving, you just surviving, So it is to get
(10:56):
somewhere else but also be functional, productive.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And do something that's right, that's right. And you know
that's the other thing, Tom is, like I always say,
just because someone gets a cancer diagnosis, it doesn't mean
that they're going to die. Now. Once you get that diagnosis, yes,
you will be in survivor mode because you have to
figure this thing out. But once you get your once
(11:23):
you get your footing, that's when you want to start
to think about how can I thrive? What can I
learn from this experience? You know, how can I move
forward in life in you know, a better way or
take it to the next level. And all of that
is part of thriving. We are not victims because we've
been diagnosed with cancer. That is a sure way to
(11:46):
fall into long term depression, anxiety, all those things that
you don't need. You know, figure out what you need
to just keep going forward day by day. And I
want to say that every step that you take right,
do what you can each day, and pretty soon you
(12:08):
will be thriving and you will no longer be in
survivor mode.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, we talked about this, I think the first time
that either I interviewed you you interviewed. I don't even remember.
But what I do remember is one thing that a
doctor told me. Says, the physical cure and here's the surgery,
says I could take the cancer out. But what he
said it resonates until today, says the cure is in
your head.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yes, And so I think that's importantly.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
What you just said. We have to not only look
towards tomorrow, we have to approach it. We have to
do something about getting there. And part of the cure
of anything, any medication, anything that anybody goes through, part
of it's in the head. So if you think you
can be curd you can be. If you think you
could be better, you will be. But one of the
(12:57):
things that I felt, and I've seen that from my
other what I call my chemo cousins, what is the depression?
Then once it says that's more difficult than the physical things.
So how do we get out? How do we change
the mindset? Yeah, because when you're it's basically when you're
in the middle of it, it's wrong to say, well
(13:19):
you feel good. No, And it's also most peoples who
I know how you feel, they don't. I didn't know
how I felt, explain how I felt exactly. But if
I thought that, well, you know, I could get over
this or get through it, that really helped me.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And you know, just believing that you have a future,
you know, and understanding that yes, you are a human.
I really believe that it starts with giving yourself grace.
We give grace to everyone else but ourselves a lot
of the time. And I think that's part of that
mindset too, like, hey, I deserve to give myself grace
(14:00):
through a really hard thing right now, and I give
myself some grace and give myself some time because one
of the things that I found in my experience is that,
you know, I wanted things to happen right away. I
wanted to just hurry up and get through it. And
then that's when it became hard. But when I just said,
(14:20):
you know what, Tala, this is going to take some time.
Just take it one day at a time, and then
it became so much easier and it became so much
more manageable. And I just want people to hear that
as well, because we want to get you know, we
want to feel better right away so we can get
back to work or we can get back to all
(14:40):
these things. And it's like, you have to give yourself grace,
give yourself time. Your body's changing, it's different.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
We need time, it needs time mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, And so all these different things, all these changes
are happening at the same time, and you have to
give give it time to let things kind of settle
and see where they land, and then you can kind of,
you know, put together a plan and you know, start
to work towards something. But sometimes you just have to
(15:15):
be and that's hard for a lot of us.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Now, tell our listeners, what's the next step? Where where
do you go with what you've done?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
That's a great question, Tom. I think that one of
the things I definitely want to do is keep the
podcast going. I am hopefully soon here in the next
few months. Wick has been doing some some things, so
I'm not sure if I'm going to stay on that
platform or not. But I am creating an online community
(15:48):
forum where people can come off of social media and
join join this online forum where they could just talk
about whatever they want to talk about, you know, you know,
I'm feeling this way today, and they can get encouragement, support,
those kinds of things. So a private online forum. And
(16:09):
then actually it's kind of actually a spin off of
the podcast also because people, for example, if I put
a post out about the podcast and I ask a
particular question, people don't always respond on that post, they
don't comment on that post, but they'll send me a
private message and I'm like, okay, they want to communicate,
(16:31):
but maybe not out in the open. And that's that's
the reason for this forum. With the podcast, I see
the podcasts continuing to keep going. The format might change
a little bit, Actually it has. I've been doing more
sharing more of my story and not just on a
surface level, like I've been really drilling down deep on
(16:55):
particular topics and spending more time with that. So those
are the most notable changes right now, and I'm sure
there'll be more changes in the future. But I think
that the thing for me is just as long as
people you know, want to have these discussions, to make
(17:16):
sure that I'm able to help facilitate those discussions need.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
And so, yes, well you have created Really it's not
the platform in a podcast sense, but it is a
meeting point.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yes, it's a sharing point.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And back to your your cover art, it's hand in hand,
and it's personal.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's very personal. Yes, it's very personal.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It's not you know, everybody had the same thing. We
can all have similar things. It's individual, right.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's individual, and it's very intimate.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Exactly. That's probably more correct than just being individual. And
back to your point of not wanting to share it
on anywhere, it has to, it needs to be and
I'm I personally believe that it's something you need to
share just with another person or few people.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yes, And obviously the.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
More we can share it with persons who have an
understanding of what we're talking about, the more meaningful that
any answer comes. And that's basically basically that's what you do.
Because back to the the emotional draining portion, Yes, it
drains people.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It really does, really does.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It is something that takes your energy away. So that's
the physical energy, but if you take the emotional energy,
that's a challenge.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It really is because just think how you feel on
a regular day when you just feel emotionally drained. You're
not feeling that way mentally, but physically as well, and
then that affects how clearly you're thinking, That affects you
being able to get other things done, and so it's
(19:16):
like a domino effect. It is that people really don't
even talk about, you know, and I think all of
those things are so important to bring to the forefront.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Very good. Well, how can our listeners find you?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yes, Well, first of all, they can find my website
at on the other side dot life, and that is
the website for my organization and cancer Douler Support. However,
there is a tab on there for the podcast Navigating
Cancer Together. Also, Navigating Cancer Together can be found on
all of the major podcast platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube,
(20:00):
what some of the other ones, iHeartRadio, Deezer, Amazon, Amazon Music,
Amazon Music everywhere. Yeah, so just just look forward Navigating
Cancer Together. You'll see the cover art with the hands
and the words Navigating Cancer Together. So listen, there's something
(20:20):
for everyone there.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Very good. Well, thanks again for being part.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Thank you, Thank you town for having me. So good
to see you again.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
It's my pleasure and again for our listeners. You can
find more Mostlaiya Dandy t A l A y A.
The last name is d e n d Y. Find
her on LinkedIn, her site which is on the other
side dot life, and the podcast Navigating Cancer Together on
all major platforms including Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music. Talk
(20:52):
to Brazil's brought to us by Focus at My Market Intelligence,
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you talk to the world. Goodbye and thanks for listening.
Thanks for listening. To Tom Riok on Talk to Brazil,
(21:13):
The Business Connector to Brazil.
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