June 20, 2025 • 34 mins
6/21/25 - The Israel-Iran Conflict Tops The List This Week
Host Doug Stephan along with Michael Harrison, Editor/Publisher of Talkers Magazine, review the most talked about stories and people on news/talk radio for the week of June 16, 2025 through June 20th, 2025. Compiled by the research department at Talkers Magazine - The Bible of Talk Radio and the New Talk Media - www.talkers.com
STORIES
Host Doug Stephan along with Michael Harrison, Editor/Publisher of Talkers Magazine, review the most talked about stories and people on news/talk radio for the week of June 16, 2025 through June 20th, 2025. Compiled by the research department at Talkers Magazine - The Bible of Talk Radio and the New Talk Media - www.talkers.com
STORIES
- Israel-Iran Conflict / Trump Mulls Involvement
- MAGA “Civil War”
- ICE Raids / Protests & Arrests
- Russia-Ukraine War
- Hortman Assassination / Lawmakers Safety Concerns
- SCOTUS Transgender Ruling
- Big, Beautiful Bill / Fed Holds on Interest Rates
- DC Military Parade
- Tariffs / China Trade Negotiations
- Hurricane Erick
- Donald Trump
- Benjamin Netanyahu / Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
- Pete Hegseth / Tulsi Gabbard
- Vladimir Putin
- Tucker Carlson / Steven K. Bannon
- Brad Lander / Alex Padilla /
- Kristi Noem
- Vance Boelter / Melissa Hortman
- Jerome Powell
- Barack Obama
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Speaker 3 (01:13):
All across America, Talk radio and the voices of freedom
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Speaker 1 (01:20):
So what do you think about this statement Trump's best
days are behind him. Let's see where that goes as
we go through the story list and the people list.
This week on America's Talk Radio Countdown Show heard all
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to wherever you get your stream and download Talk Radio
Countdown Show dot com. Michael Harrison is the editor and
Public say that he and Doug Michael Harrison is the
editor in Public. We were just talking among the three
of his podcasts, the producer of this program. We were
talking about our radio careers. We were highlighting some of
(02:03):
the things that we did on the air in the
sixties and seventies, and it was I guarantee you folks,
nothing like this. This is completely unique. Nobody else has
ever tried to do this, and there may be a
good reason for that. We'll go through the story.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
What's unique about what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
We're trying to tell people, according to the research at
Talkers magazine, what the number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten biggest stories are according to your research this week
on news, talk, radio, entities, television, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. And the people list as well.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I don't because you triggered something in my mind when
you said to some piece of what do you think
of the statement Trump's best days are behind him? So
I immediately put together in my head, like instantly, a list
of his greatest achievements. Ah, and you know, the top
five had a lot of them. Food, Trump University, Trump Stakes,
(03:02):
the Trump hat. Uh, the new phone, all that new
flag poles are great, but this new telephone is really
just I'm so happy that I'll be able to throw
my smartphone away and get a Trump phone and one
that's smarter. Yeah. Number ten, Hurricane Eric, Number nine, tariffs
and the China trade negotiations. Number eight. The DC Military parade.
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That was cool. At number seven, the Big Beautiful Is
anybody there? I counted two hundred and fifty thousand. I
don't know about you, did you, Okay? Yeah? I spent
the whole day counting, uh, with my little with my
little pocket Trump calculator, a big beautiful bill and the
Fed holds on interest rates at number seven, Scotus transgender
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ruling at number six, the Hartman assassination and the lawmaker
safety concerns tied at number five, The Russia Qua Ward
for the Ice raids and the protests and arrests that
they have sparked at number three, the Maga Civil War
with quotes around it at number two, and number one,
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the Israeli Iran conflict and Trump mulling over his involvement.
And I think much of Trump's legacy, the aforementioned legacy,
is going to be determined by how this next stage
in the development or lack thereof, of a war plays out.
(04:32):
On the people survey, we have the recently re inactivated
Barack Obama, Jerome Powell at nine, Van Spoltter and Melissa
Hortman names from the assassination in Michigan at number eight,
Christinome at seven, Brad Lander and Alex Padilla at number
six getting their share of some maybe unwanted or wanted
(04:55):
press not sure. At number five, Tucker Carlson and Stephen K.
Bannon Hayes could be a major can squeeze head cruis
in there. If you want to he's not on the survey,
but he was a player in that particular scenario was
pretty interesting. I don't know if you saw it, Doug.
We can talk about that. Vladimir Putin at four, Pete
hag Seth, and Tulsea Gabbart at three. At number two
(05:16):
we got Benjamin at Yahoo and Ayatola Ali Kameni and
a number one we have Donald Trump. And this has
been a hell of a week. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I say week every week, now star of the day,
who will it be? At Donald Trump? But I go
back to looking at the number two story this week
that you have enumerated on the countdown list, the Civil
War amongst the make America Great crowd. And that's why
I said, I think Trump's best days are behind him
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because he can't bring these people all together. And he
did a fabulous job of bringing them together up and
through the inauguration and through the first couple of months
of his reign, and now I just there's so much
going on. Part of it is, in my mind, he's
trying to do too much. But that's his style. That's
what he does, that's how he lives, that's how he rules,
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that's how he runs his businesses, and so he's being
true to himself. But that is that's good for him.
Whether it's good for America and Americans remains to be seen.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Well, let me jump right in. Let me let me
jump right in on that. This is really interesting stuff.
The his legacy will be determined by how well he
negotiates the next step in this brewing. It's already a
hot war. They're already lobbing missiles each other. People are dying,
and people and buildings are being destroyed. If he is
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able to successfully negotiate some type of a deal with Iran,
which he's focused on, don't don't believe some of the
reports that he's a doddering old senile man. He's playing
this by a by a plan. He really is. I
could see it. It's just obvious. Whether it's a good plan,
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of whether it'll work is another story. But if he
is able to get this thing to calm down and
come up with something that the Israelis back off and
the Iranians make it clear that they're not developing a weapon,
he'll be a hero.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They are developing a weapon, so they got to destroy
the weapon.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Right right where where where they where? They make it
clear they're not. Even if they do a turnaround, whatever, whatever,
It is highly unlikely, but I would say the jury
is still out on whether Trump is going to pull
that off.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You got to hope that he does do as you
have suggested. That would be a great you're right, a
great feather in his cap. Putting in it would be
tantam out to what happened when Jimmy Carter and Ronald
Reagan were changing the main seat in the main hotel
down in Washington and the Iranian hostages were released. And
(08:01):
interesting how modern history has pointed so much to this
Middle Eastern country that existed first as Persia, relatively quiet,
and then you know, religion came into play and it
changed the face it was, I suppose in a manner
speaking because the Jews and the Arabs have been fighting
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since the first inkling that there were these two religions
coming out of the same store in Jerusalem, the brother
versus brother. And that's that's the thing. Think about it
in terms of your own family, because these people are
all family, whether you realize it or not, they're all Semites.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, family family wars, family wars, civil wars are always
the bloodiest so civil wars historically are far bloodier than
wars between factions that are not family, as you say,
right one nation. It's just something about the human nature,
and that you're right. I mean, that's what's going on
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right now.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
To sort of cap the conversation, because there are a
lot of other things we need to be touching on
here on the talk radio review. The Iran Israeli war.
There are not only lots of efforts being made by
Trump and the administration are in America, but world leaders
are accelerating a lot of their diplomatic efforts and trying
(09:26):
to work together. They're meeting with the Iran foreign minister,
the Europeans are, and so anyway, one of the you know,
we've got the Russian Ukrainian war here. I don't know
how many people paid attention to this this week, but
there were a number of reports from China that they
(09:48):
have said hackers and maybe you don't even have to
send them into Russia. I say that because the old
school in me thinks we have to go there, but
you don't have to go anywhere. Ese are hacking into
Russia's secrets, military secrets, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
and are undaunted at discovering are at least are we
(10:12):
have good people that are still able in terms of
espionis to find out what's going on CIA et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. And so in finding going through
the back door to see what the Chinese are doing
to try to steal American secrets. Ah, look at this.
They found that they're hacking more into Russia's secrets than
(10:33):
they are in our secrets. The Chinese are making everybody
their enemy. I suppose maybe they think they can handle it,
but the Russians certainly are not happy. I don't know
how many, how many secrets of the Russians have though
well in comparison to others. It's just the fact that
they're the Chinese are There's no secrets about the Russian military.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
They're falling apart. But if you were the Russians, are
you with the Chinese? Are you with the North Koreans?
Would you trust your allies? Would you trust these people?
You think the Chinese trust the Russians. You think the
Russians trust the Chinese. I don't know why. People you know,
they're sweet and lovely and honest and ethical to each other.
Are you kidding me? In no way, they know what
they're dealing with. Now. This is a far more complex
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set of intrigue and relationships and spyings and double agents
than any Hollywood production could conjure.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Number five on the story list is the assassination of
the representative. And it was Michigan, I think, wasn't It
wasn't Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan and how it happened. I draw
a direct link to MAGA, and let's see where that
goes in conversation. A direct line, Follow the dots and
(11:44):
you can figure out what this is all about. So
I made a comment about the number five story this week,
the assassination of this lady and the whole business with
this guy who, in my mind, gets his inspiration from
things like January sixth, and these are all things that
lead right back to the MAGA movement and Donald Trump.
(12:09):
So is anybody excuse me? I have all of these allergies,
and I.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Apologize for it.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
But that's where we are at this time of year
on my farm. The business of what Trump can do
to stop this stuff or to put a lid on it.
The anger that comes from people who think it's their
job to root out the bad guys in our country
and kill them. This is really.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Bizarre, Michael, Well, it's not civil It happens invariably when
we have civil wars. There have been. Obviously, the role
of assassination as a political remedy plays a major role
historically in the history of civilization. I mean, look at
how many assassinations have triggered war or change.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Is the first one that comes to mind in the
sort of modern era from World War One?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, I guess, I guess World War One was the
modern era. But you had assassinations. I mean, you know
there there was Lincoln, of course, that was after the war.
It's our representatives used to shoot each other in duels.
If if you know American history, perhaps you went to Broadway,
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you saw that play. I mean, it's history is bloody.
It's bloody. It's dirty, very very painful and problematic. We
have we have in human psychology. We have a way
of glorifying things and making everything monumental literally and figuratively.
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But the truth is we have a rugged history, very rough.
Every every nation has its problems, and there's a lot
of violence in the human condition.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Amazing isn't it okay? So number three this week on
the story list, the focus on the raids. What comes
to mind first? I was in Los Angeles this past
weekend and the Dodger stadium folks said to the Ice people,
get the hell out of here. You can't come into
the stadium, you can't come into the parking lot. And
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the Ice people left, which I thought was interesting, And
you know, I guess the whole business of sports. Do
we not want the reality of what's going on to
blend into our affection for sports teams and sports so
big that we can just that these people that own
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the Dodgers said, you can't come into our parking lot
and you can't come to the stadium.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Well a fan, so they're coming to arrest the entire stadium.
I mean a mature part. You and I both have
histories in Los Angeles, and our producer Bob does as well.
I mean, to look upon people who have Hispanic features
or look Hispanic or or whatever it is today that
(15:12):
the ICE agents are using as their determining factor of
who they target, what they look like. That's half the people,
that's half the people in LA. I mean, it's a
different culture. Out there, and these are innocent people.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Being handled very badly. All right, coming up to half
past the hour here on the talk radio Review, the Talk.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Radio Countdown, don't stop talking.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
For those of you who may be new to this program,
the Talk radio Copdown Show, Michael Harrison, who's the editor
and publisher of Talkers Magazine with me on Doug Stephan.
Michael not only is a seasoned and powerful influence on
the talk media, but he comes from a music background
disc jockey, same as all the rest of us who
have been around for a long time. He and Gunhill
(16:09):
Road put together a number of musical items over the
past five six years. And the one that you hear
as we enter into this program several times during the
program is from that group of songs or I don't
really want to I guess we could call them songs, Michael.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
The presentations are songs there music videos. They're they're both
audio and video.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, a lot of people have got a lot out
of them. It's it would be interesting to have some
sort of a maga song or you know, something that
that spoke to that part of our society. We're talking
to everybody. That's one of the good things about what
we do here. We're interested in what everybody is saying,
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not just one side or the other. Even though talk
radio and talk television is the behemoth the radio stations
that do. I just saw something in one of the
trays the other day about yet another station converting to
the Patriot all conservative all the time. How much of
this stuff it's the same thing. Every program sounds the same. Well,
(17:20):
there's a little difference because I think Sean is sticking
with the president, and then there are some who are
not sticking. I guess maybe the best example of that
is Tyler Taylor. Why do I blank on what's his face?
Who's on Fox? And anyone on his own.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Podcast, Tucker that's it?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yes, thank you and is on there.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, but I don't know why you constantly harp on that.
But that's okay, that's a that's a little bit of
different because different. I mean, I'm here to overview what's
going on in news talk radio and its relationship with
other media, not to criticize it for doing what it does.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
To me, I was criticizing, and I just think it
sounds to me like.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm just I'm just providing
a little bit of shall we say, reaction, so that
people will get the perspective of when you speak on
behalf of what we do on this show. Well, I
have to throw in what I see the mission being
because I'm part of it, and I don't I don't
see the mission being complaining that another station is taking
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the Patriot format.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I wasn't complaining. I just pointing out the fact that
it's kind of a go nowhere that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That's a complaint saying if you started a venture and
somebody went on the radio and said, what Doug Stuffan
is doing is a go nowhere thing, you would you
would consider you wouldn't consider that to be an attack
or a criticism, or it's an observation.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Maybe it seems it sounds to sound like an attack.
My observation is, and it always has been. I've been
very consistent or earlier in my career, I was a
pretty right wing uh and around a lot of right wings,
and it's been the substance of much conversation. I was
never comfortable, That's not true.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I was pretty comfortable.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Early on in the eighties and nineties following that path,
but then I just sort of thought. Okay, everybody else
is doing it. I got to do something different and
it's closer to my soul. I think the best people
on the air are the ones who really sell what
they believe, because well, that's what's.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Going on right now in the Maga movement. The whole
Maga Civil War is when you talked about being comfortable
being conservative. I think the American conservative movement is trying
to find its soul, and the fissure is right along
the lines of approaching this war in the Middle East.
(19:47):
You know, conservativeism or conservatism. I'm not sure which is
the way to pronounce. That is under self scrutiny. Now,
what does it mean to be a conservative in America?
Doesn't mean that you want to go in there and
blow the Iranians up because they present a threat to
our democratic ally and thus to us. Or do we
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want to stop with these endless wars? This issue is
writ smack dab on the on the on the fault
line between the two and this is a conservative issue.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, this is you know we can we can say, yeah, well,
I think you can say the same. Barack Obama's number
ten this week on the People List, and there's the
reason is fairly clear. He's investing time and it's sort
of been bageling himself into the conversation as far as
the Democratic Party is concerned, because they're in the same shape.
They half of them want to go this way, the
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other half want to go that way, and as a result,
they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And that was obvious because that's why they lost the
last election, not because Trump was the greatest candidate, but
because what they put up for you, what they served up,
what they wanted the people who were in control of
the Democratic Party, who, by the way, I don't think
are any in control anymore. I don't know. I don't
think this is anybody really in charge titularly or otherwise
(21:03):
of what's going on. And maybe Obama's trying to insert
himself again. How many people do you hear each week saying,
oish Michelle Obama would run for president, she'd fix everything.
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I don't think anybody is able to fix anything or
everything anymore. But that's but I think Obama finds himself
in a difficult position because on one level, I think
he is sincerely trying to get what he considers to
be the voice of reason out there and hold Democrats together.
But I don't think he wants to usurp the emergence
(21:36):
of new democratic leadership by suddenly becoming the titular head
of the Democratic Party. So Obama's got himself a couple
of sticky wickets to work out as well. It's a
fascinating time for politics because there are consequences to everything,
and you said something interesting. They're not going anywhere. Maybe
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this is the only way either side can go somewhere,
is to settle these differences that exist so that the
Democrats can have a unified front and not blow the
election coming up. With the elections coming up, and the
Republicans have to decide whether they're Republicans, whether they're maga,
whether they're conservative, whether they're warmongers, whether they're peacenicks, What
(22:17):
the hell are they? The old white paradigm doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
No, Well, but I mean, think about just something about
the most recent incident when Barack Obama and George Bush
were with each other and George Bush walks into the
inaugural address and just sort of put sort of he
brushes and punches Obama in the stomach as he's walking
by him as if to say, hi, buddy, how you doing?
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And then Obama turns to him when he gets it
to his seat and says, is there anything we can
do to stop this?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Well, because back in those days, in the days of
Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan and the days of Obama
and George W. Bush, there wasn't that much of a
different CONTs between the left and the right. It was nuance,
There was common ground. They all agreed on certain fundamental,
self evident truths. So it was a matter it should
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the policy be eighty percent or sixty percent. The difference
between being conservative and liberal was measurable, and you could
live with the other side. Both sides were invested in
the cohesiveness of the system. Now both sides are invested
in the divisiveness of the system for fear that they're
going to piss off, if you'll pardon my pun, the base.
(23:35):
The biggest problem facing Trump right now is dealing with
his base. How do I keep the base happy? Half
of them want me to do this and half want
me to do that.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Well, I said at the beginning of the program, these
best days are over because the fissure, as you use
that word, before. It's a great word between the one
side and the other side, whether it's in the House
of Congress, whether Congress, whether it's a Senate, whether it's governors,
whether it's people who v what for him as a
whole thing. Looking at where we are after five or
(24:05):
six months of Donald Trump, and there's some fabulous things
that have gone on and happened, and there's some awful things.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yes, well, his best days are over if he's not
able to solve the problem. If he is able to
solve the problem, it is his best days have first begun,
and then he'll bl with something else down the road.
You know, there's a difference between wartime presidents and peacetime presidents.
A person could be just the right individual for war
and the wrong individual for peace. So much of what
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makes him, so much of what makes a presidency successful
or not has to do with unforeseen circumstances that happen
along the way.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
If you believe in God, or you believe in a
higher power, you believe in I don't know, right versus
wrong Maybe isn't the right way to categorize it. But
Fdr Winston Churchill, those people came along at a time
it was it an accident. I don't much believe in
it acidents. Frankly, I think things happened because they're supposed
(25:03):
to happen. There's a reason for things, and maybe the
Hitler wake up call and when it brought around, isn't
it awful that it costs so much, so many lives?
But yet something was straightened out, at least for a while.
But now we're back into that business again. All right,
let's pause for a moment as we continue in a
matter of moments with our focus, I want to talk
(25:25):
about the limits that the Trump administration wants to put
on Congress to keep them out of these immigration centers,
because how many people wear arrested this week. Democrats are
running for this, that and the other thing. We'll talk
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Congress that they can't go to immigration centers. Witnessed by
the arrest of the guy running from mayor in New York, right,
(27:32):
the latest one of these people that'd get controller, Yeah,
get themselve into trouble. So okay, how much can they do?
This will be challenged in court, and Trump seems to
be doing better in court these days they needed earlier
on or more recently, the Supreme Court decided with them
a couple of important issues. I don't know that there's
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any surprise there. But these people doing it for show?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
That's a great question for any political office or politician.
You know what motivates their their behavior, whether they're doing
it for show or not. I think it's a it's
a it doesn't do. It doesn't do the Trump administration
very much good. And so they're successful demonstrations in my opinion. Yeah,
(28:22):
we're very disturbing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
It does. It's not a good look to see the
guy who's the Senator from California having to be in
l A last week when that happened, and all of
the people for the most part that I was listening
to on the talk radio scene on the talk radio
front in LA. We're condemning the the just the way
it looked, not anything else, I mean, doesn't look it
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was terrible to see.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
It's very terrible.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, right, yep, all right, Well, we've gone through a
lot of issues that surround the stories here on the
charts for this past week June sixteenth to the twentieth.
Thank you for joining us again.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
The Top Radio Countdown.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
We're counting down what America is talking about. The Talk
Radio Countdown show continues the.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Top Radio Countdown, and so it does. So here we are.
I'm Doug Stephan. This time around, I'm going to have
a pleasure of discussing with Stephen JJ Wiseman, the official
attorney for the Countdown. In other words, he gets me
out of trouble when I get into trouble. But he's
also here to interpret some of the items that are
on the list that have legal ramifications. And I suppose
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we should start with the Supreme Court and what they
did or didn't do this week in a couple of
important measures.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
So it is, say Steve, with the Supreme Court.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
One of the big things that they did was they
took away our rights in regards to transgender treatment for minors.
And you know that one, you know, the progressives on
the Court were very upset and said that it was
you know, it was an ethical and immoral but strictly
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speaking on a on a legal setting, this is something
that you know is not a constitutional right. And you know,
one of the things we've we've often looked at over
the years is Congress and legislatures not really doing their
their jobs in the sense of, you know, even when
you look at abortion and other issues, they would always
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let the Supreme Court make the decision on what is
an essential right that the legislatures don't even have to
get involved with. And so that kind of continuing and
really accentuating that tradition before this court, which is giving
a lot of a lot of leeway to legislatures, but
in so doing there saying we're not going to be
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determining what are the essential rights. It's it's going back
to what they call the original intention, which to me
legally doesn't mean a lot because if you go at
the legal the original intention of the Constitution, women had
no rights. People of color, you had no rights. Actually
you had to be a white property owner. So but
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it's a legitimate legal theory.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
One of the things that came out this week was
the determination that the president, mister Trump, can't require states
to cooperate with ice to get Department of Transportation funding.
So Trump says to the states, Okay, you do this
and I'll make I'll fix you. And apparently that I mean,
(31:40):
he can do it with some things, but apparently this
specific area they can't find. I wonder what, what how
did they figure that out? What did judge say that
to block the administration from requiring a couple of dozen
democratic states to cooperate with the immigration authorities? And basically
the say and screw you were not going.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
One of the things that the federal government has done
for many years in order to get the states to
go along with things that they may not is what
we call the power of the purse, which is, if
you don't do this, we're going to cut your funding.
So it's one reason why all of the states have
a drinking age of twenty one where that really isn't
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something that the federal government would be able to assess.
But they said they would withhold highway funds unless the
states did it. So there has to be some direct correlation.
And that's where here the courts are kind of cutting
down on essentially blackmail what President Trump is trying to
do to make executive orders one that he doesn't have
(32:47):
the authority to do that require Congress to do, or
two to just use the threat of money for absolutely everything.
And so we'll see what happens with the courts. Although
I even noticed this week Secretary of Exist saying when
there was a question about limiting the use of the
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National Guard in states to help enforce ice, that they
were not going to follow I didn't think that they
had to follow the courts. And that's been the most
troubling thing for me about the Trump administration is although
they have agreed and backed off the old Taco Trump
always chickens out when the courts have ruled against him.
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In many instances, they've tried to take the position of
just ignoring the courts. And we are a country supposedly
of laws, not of people.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Right. Very interesting this week also he said that we
have too many holidays, and frankly I agree with him.
I think we do, but I don't know. On Juneteenth,
he plays his own banjo on this one. We have
too many holidays, so he's going to go to court
to try to limit them or have an executive order.
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Does that hold any merit?
Speaker 6 (34:02):
No, it doesn't. And you know, the total insensitivity of
you know, here's he doesn't want slavery to be taught
in the schools, and the one holiday that really does
the proclamating any emancipation proclamation in how it affected Texas,
he wants to do away with it. I mean, just
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absolutely outrageous and unthinkable that a president would do that.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
No, it isn't. Come on, what are you talking about?
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Speaker 1 (01:20):
So what do you think about this statement Trump's best
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the things that we did on the air in the
sixties and seventies, and it was I guarantee you folks,
nothing like this. This is completely unique. Nobody else has
ever tried to do this, and there may be a
good reason for that. We'll go through the story.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
What's unique about what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
We're trying to tell people, according to the research at
Talkers magazine, what the number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten biggest stories are according to your research this week
on news, talk, radio, entities, television, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. And the people list as well.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I don't because you triggered something in my mind when
you said to some piece of what do you think
of the statement Trump's best days are behind him? So
I immediately put together in my head, like instantly, a list
of his greatest achievements. Ah, and you know, the top
five had a lot of them. Food, Trump University, Trump Stakes,
(03:02):
the Trump hat. Uh, the new phone, all that new
flag poles are great, but this new telephone is really
just I'm so happy that I'll be able to throw
my smartphone away and get a Trump phone and one
that's smarter. Yeah. Number ten, Hurricane Eric, Number nine, tariffs
and the China trade negotiations. Number eight. The DC Military parade.
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That was cool. At number seven, the Big Beautiful Is
anybody there? I counted two hundred and fifty thousand. I
don't know about you, did you, Okay? Yeah? I spent
the whole day counting, uh, with my little with my
little pocket Trump calculator, a big beautiful bill and the
Fed holds on interest rates at number seven, Scotus transgender
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ruling at number six, the Hartman assassination and the lawmaker
safety concerns tied at number five, The Russia Qua Ward
for the Ice raids and the protests and arrests that
they have sparked at number three, the Maga Civil War
with quotes around it at number two, and number one,
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the Israeli Iran conflict and Trump mulling over his involvement.
And I think much of Trump's legacy, the aforementioned legacy,
is going to be determined by how this next stage
in the development or lack thereof, of a war plays out.
(04:32):
On the people survey, we have the recently re inactivated
Barack Obama, Jerome Powell at nine, Van Spoltter and Melissa
Hortman names from the assassination in Michigan at number eight,
Christinome at seven, Brad Lander and Alex Padilla at number
six getting their share of some maybe unwanted or wanted
(04:55):
press not sure. At number five, Tucker Carlson and Stephen K.
Bannon Hayes could be a major can squeeze head cruis
in there. If you want to he's not on the survey,
but he was a player in that particular scenario was
pretty interesting. I don't know if you saw it, Doug.
We can talk about that. Vladimir Putin at four, Pete
hag Seth, and Tulsea Gabbart at three. At number two
(05:16):
we got Benjamin at Yahoo and Ayatola Ali Kameni and
a number one we have Donald Trump. And this has
been a hell of a week. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I say week every week, now star of the day,
who will it be? At Donald Trump? But I go
back to looking at the number two story this week
that you have enumerated on the countdown list, the Civil
War amongst the make America Great crowd. And that's why
I said, I think Trump's best days are behind him
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because he can't bring these people all together. And he
did a fabulous job of bringing them together up and
through the inauguration and through the first couple of months
of his reign, and now I just there's so much
going on. Part of it is, in my mind, he's
trying to do too much. But that's his style. That's
what he does, that's how he lives, that's how he rules,
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that's how he runs his businesses, and so he's being
true to himself. But that is that's good for him.
Whether it's good for America and Americans remains to be seen.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Well, let me jump right in. Let me let me
jump right in on that. This is really interesting stuff.
The his legacy will be determined by how well he
negotiates the next step in this brewing. It's already a
hot war. They're already lobbing missiles each other. People are dying,
and people and buildings are being destroyed. If he is
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able to successfully negotiate some type of a deal with Iran,
which he's focused on, don't don't believe some of the
reports that he's a doddering old senile man. He's playing
this by a by a plan. He really is. I
could see it. It's just obvious. Whether it's a good plan,
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of whether it'll work is another story. But if he
is able to get this thing to calm down and
come up with something that the Israelis back off and
the Iranians make it clear that they're not developing a weapon,
he'll be a hero.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They are developing a weapon, so they got to destroy
the weapon.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Right right where where where they where? They make it
clear they're not. Even if they do a turnaround, whatever, whatever,
It is highly unlikely, but I would say the jury
is still out on whether Trump is going to pull
that off.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You got to hope that he does do as you
have suggested. That would be a great you're right, a
great feather in his cap. Putting in it would be
tantam out to what happened when Jimmy Carter and Ronald
Reagan were changing the main seat in the main hotel
down in Washington and the Iranian hostages were released. And
(08:01):
interesting how modern history has pointed so much to this
Middle Eastern country that existed first as Persia, relatively quiet,
and then you know, religion came into play and it
changed the face it was, I suppose in a manner
speaking because the Jews and the Arabs have been fighting
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since the first inkling that there were these two religions
coming out of the same store in Jerusalem, the brother
versus brother. And that's that's the thing. Think about it
in terms of your own family, because these people are
all family, whether you realize it or not, they're all Semites.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, family family wars, family wars, civil wars are always
the bloodiest so civil wars historically are far bloodier than
wars between factions that are not family, as you say,
right one nation. It's just something about the human nature,
and that you're right. I mean, that's what's going on
(09:04):
right now.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
To sort of cap the conversation, because there are a
lot of other things we need to be touching on
here on the talk radio review. The Iran Israeli war.
There are not only lots of efforts being made by
Trump and the administration are in America, but world leaders
are accelerating a lot of their diplomatic efforts and trying
(09:26):
to work together. They're meeting with the Iran foreign minister,
the Europeans are, and so anyway, one of the you know,
we've got the Russian Ukrainian war here. I don't know
how many people paid attention to this this week, but
there were a number of reports from China that they
(09:48):
have said hackers and maybe you don't even have to
send them into Russia. I say that because the old
school in me thinks we have to go there, but
you don't have to go anywhere. Ese are hacking into
Russia's secrets, military secrets, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
and are undaunted at discovering are at least are we
(10:12):
have good people that are still able in terms of
espionis to find out what's going on CIA et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. And so in finding going through
the back door to see what the Chinese are doing
to try to steal American secrets. Ah, look at this.
They found that they're hacking more into Russia's secrets than
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they are in our secrets. The Chinese are making everybody
their enemy. I suppose maybe they think they can handle it,
but the Russians certainly are not happy. I don't know
how many, how many secrets of the Russians have though
well in comparison to others. It's just the fact that
they're the Chinese are There's no secrets about the Russian military.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
They're falling apart. But if you were the Russians, are
you with the Chinese? Are you with the North Koreans?
Would you trust your allies? Would you trust these people?
You think the Chinese trust the Russians. You think the
Russians trust the Chinese. I don't know why. People you know,
they're sweet and lovely and honest and ethical to each other.
Are you kidding me? In no way, they know what
they're dealing with. Now. This is a far more complex
(11:16):
set of intrigue and relationships and spyings and double agents
than any Hollywood production could conjure.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Number five on the story list is the assassination of
the representative. And it was Michigan, I think, wasn't It
wasn't Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan and how it happened. I draw
a direct link to MAGA, and let's see where that
goes in conversation. A direct line, Follow the dots and
(11:44):
you can figure out what this is all about. So
I made a comment about the number five story this week,
the assassination of this lady and the whole business with
this guy who, in my mind, gets his inspiration from
things like January sixth, and these are all things that
lead right back to the MAGA movement and Donald Trump.
(12:09):
So is anybody excuse me? I have all of these allergies,
and I.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Apologize for it.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
But that's where we are at this time of year
on my farm. The business of what Trump can do
to stop this stuff or to put a lid on it.
The anger that comes from people who think it's their
job to root out the bad guys in our country
and kill them. This is really.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Bizarre, Michael, Well, it's not civil It happens invariably when
we have civil wars. There have been. Obviously, the role
of assassination as a political remedy plays a major role
historically in the history of civilization. I mean, look at
how many assassinations have triggered war or change.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Is the first one that comes to mind in the
sort of modern era from World War One?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, I guess, I guess World War One was the
modern era. But you had assassinations. I mean, you know
there there was Lincoln, of course, that was after the war.
It's our representatives used to shoot each other in duels.
If if you know American history, perhaps you went to Broadway,
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you saw that play. I mean, it's history is bloody.
It's bloody. It's dirty, very very painful and problematic. We
have we have in human psychology. We have a way
of glorifying things and making everything monumental literally and figuratively.
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But the truth is we have a rugged history, very rough.
Every every nation has its problems, and there's a lot
of violence in the human condition.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Amazing isn't it okay? So number three this week on
the story list, the focus on the raids. What comes
to mind first? I was in Los Angeles this past
weekend and the Dodger stadium folks said to the Ice people,
get the hell out of here. You can't come into
the stadium, you can't come into the parking lot. And
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the Ice people left, which I thought was interesting, And
you know, I guess the whole business of sports. Do
we not want the reality of what's going on to
blend into our affection for sports teams and sports so
big that we can just that these people that own
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the Dodgers said, you can't come into our parking lot
and you can't come to the stadium.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Well a fan, so they're coming to arrest the entire stadium.
I mean a mature part. You and I both have
histories in Los Angeles, and our producer Bob does as well.
I mean, to look upon people who have Hispanic features
or look Hispanic or or whatever it is today that
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the ICE agents are using as their determining factor of
who they target, what they look like. That's half the people,
that's half the people in LA. I mean, it's a
different culture. Out there, and these are innocent people.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Being handled very badly. All right, coming up to half
past the hour here on the talk radio Review, the Talk.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Radio Countdown, don't stop talking.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
For those of you who may be new to this program,
the Talk radio Copdown Show, Michael Harrison, who's the editor
and publisher of Talkers Magazine with me on Doug Stephan.
Michael not only is a seasoned and powerful influence on
the talk media, but he comes from a music background
disc jockey, same as all the rest of us who
have been around for a long time. He and Gunhill
(16:09):
Road put together a number of musical items over the
past five six years. And the one that you hear
as we enter into this program several times during the
program is from that group of songs or I don't
really want to I guess we could call them songs, Michael.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
The presentations are songs there music videos. They're they're both
audio and video.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, a lot of people have got a lot out
of them. It's it would be interesting to have some
sort of a maga song or you know, something that
that spoke to that part of our society. We're talking
to everybody. That's one of the good things about what
we do here. We're interested in what everybody is saying,
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not just one side or the other. Even though talk
radio and talk television is the behemoth the radio stations
that do. I just saw something in one of the
trays the other day about yet another station converting to
the Patriot all conservative all the time. How much of
this stuff it's the same thing. Every program sounds the same. Well,
(17:20):
there's a little difference because I think Sean is sticking
with the president, and then there are some who are
not sticking. I guess maybe the best example of that
is Tyler Taylor. Why do I blank on what's his face?
Who's on Fox? And anyone on his own.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Podcast, Tucker that's it?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yes, thank you and is on there.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, but I don't know why you constantly harp on that.
But that's okay, that's a that's a little bit of
different because different. I mean, I'm here to overview what's
going on in news talk radio and its relationship with
other media, not to criticize it for doing what it does.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
To me, I was criticizing, and I just think it
sounds to me like.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm just I'm just providing
a little bit of shall we say, reaction, so that
people will get the perspective of when you speak on
behalf of what we do on this show. Well, I
have to throw in what I see the mission being
because I'm part of it, and I don't I don't
see the mission being complaining that another station is taking
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the Patriot format.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I wasn't complaining. I just pointing out the fact that
it's kind of a go nowhere that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That's a complaint saying if you started a venture and
somebody went on the radio and said, what Doug Stuffan
is doing is a go nowhere thing, you would you
would consider you wouldn't consider that to be an attack
or a criticism, or it's an observation.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Maybe it seems it sounds to sound like an attack.
My observation is, and it always has been. I've been
very consistent or earlier in my career, I was a
pretty right wing uh and around a lot of right wings,
and it's been the substance of much conversation. I was
never comfortable, That's not true.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I was pretty comfortable.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Early on in the eighties and nineties following that path,
but then I just sort of thought. Okay, everybody else
is doing it. I got to do something different and
it's closer to my soul. I think the best people
on the air are the ones who really sell what
they believe, because well, that's what's.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Going on right now in the Maga movement. The whole
Maga Civil War is when you talked about being comfortable
being conservative. I think the American conservative movement is trying
to find its soul, and the fissure is right along
the lines of approaching this war in the Middle East.
(19:47):
You know, conservativeism or conservatism. I'm not sure which is
the way to pronounce. That is under self scrutiny. Now,
what does it mean to be a conservative in America?
Doesn't mean that you want to go in there and
blow the Iranians up because they present a threat to
our democratic ally and thus to us. Or do we
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want to stop with these endless wars? This issue is
writ smack dab on the on the on the fault
line between the two and this is a conservative issue.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, this is you know we can we can say, yeah, well,
I think you can say the same. Barack Obama's number
ten this week on the People List, and there's the
reason is fairly clear. He's investing time and it's sort
of been bageling himself into the conversation as far as
the Democratic Party is concerned, because they're in the same shape.
They half of them want to go this way, the
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other half want to go that way, and as a result,
they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And that was obvious because that's why they lost the
last election, not because Trump was the greatest candidate, but
because what they put up for you, what they served up,
what they wanted the people who were in control of
the Democratic Party, who, by the way, I don't think
are any in control anymore. I don't know. I don't
think this is anybody really in charge titularly or otherwise
(21:03):
of what's going on. And maybe Obama's trying to insert
himself again. How many people do you hear each week saying,
oish Michelle Obama would run for president, she'd fix everything.
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I don't think anybody is able to fix anything or
everything anymore. But that's but I think Obama finds himself
in a difficult position because on one level, I think
he is sincerely trying to get what he considers to
be the voice of reason out there and hold Democrats together.
But I don't think he wants to usurp the emergence
(21:36):
of new democratic leadership by suddenly becoming the titular head
of the Democratic Party. So Obama's got himself a couple
of sticky wickets to work out as well. It's a
fascinating time for politics because there are consequences to everything,
and you said something interesting. They're not going anywhere. Maybe
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this is the only way either side can go somewhere,
is to settle these differences that exist so that the
Democrats can have a unified front and not blow the
election coming up. With the elections coming up, and the
Republicans have to decide whether they're Republicans, whether they're maga,
whether they're conservative, whether they're warmongers, whether they're peacenicks, What
(22:17):
the hell are they? The old white paradigm doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
No, Well, but I mean, think about just something about
the most recent incident when Barack Obama and George Bush
were with each other and George Bush walks into the
inaugural address and just sort of put sort of he
brushes and punches Obama in the stomach as he's walking
by him as if to say, hi, buddy, how you doing?
(22:43):
And then Obama turns to him when he gets it
to his seat and says, is there anything we can
do to stop this?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Well, because back in those days, in the days of
Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan and the days of Obama
and George W. Bush, there wasn't that much of a
different CONTs between the left and the right. It was nuance,
There was common ground. They all agreed on certain fundamental,
self evident truths. So it was a matter it should
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the policy be eighty percent or sixty percent. The difference
between being conservative and liberal was measurable, and you could
live with the other side. Both sides were invested in
the cohesiveness of the system. Now both sides are invested
in the divisiveness of the system for fear that they're
going to piss off, if you'll pardon my pun, the base.
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The biggest problem facing Trump right now is dealing with
his base. How do I keep the base happy? Half
of them want me to do this and half want
me to do that.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Well, I said at the beginning of the program, these
best days are over because the fissure, as you use
that word, before. It's a great word between the one
side and the other side, whether it's in the House
of Congress, whether Congress, whether it's a Senate, whether it's governors,
whether it's people who v what for him as a
whole thing. Looking at where we are after five or
(24:05):
six months of Donald Trump, and there's some fabulous things
that have gone on and happened, and there's some awful things.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yes, well, his best days are over if he's not
able to solve the problem. If he is able to
solve the problem, it is his best days have first begun,
and then he'll bl with something else down the road.
You know, there's a difference between wartime presidents and peacetime presidents.
A person could be just the right individual for war
and the wrong individual for peace. So much of what
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makes him, so much of what makes a presidency successful
or not has to do with unforeseen circumstances that happen
along the way.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
If you believe in God, or you believe in a
higher power, you believe in I don't know, right versus
wrong Maybe isn't the right way to categorize it. But
Fdr Winston Churchill, those people came along at a time
it was it an accident. I don't much believe in
it acidents. Frankly, I think things happened because they're supposed
(25:03):
to happen. There's a reason for things, and maybe the
Hitler wake up call and when it brought around, isn't
it awful that it costs so much, so many lives?
But yet something was straightened out, at least for a while.
But now we're back into that business again. All right,
let's pause for a moment as we continue in a
matter of moments with our focus, I want to talk
(25:25):
about the limits that the Trump administration wants to put
on Congress to keep them out of these immigration centers,
because how many people wear arrested this week. Democrats are
running for this, that and the other thing. We'll talk
about that in a moment. Big it's a big subject.
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to buy and get started. All right, So, Michael, the
administration is putting new limits on Congress, telling members of
Congress that they can't go to immigration centers. Witnessed by
the arrest of the guy running from mayor in New York, right,
(27:32):
the latest one of these people that'd get controller, Yeah,
get themselve into trouble. So okay, how much can they do?
This will be challenged in court, and Trump seems to
be doing better in court these days they needed earlier
on or more recently, the Supreme Court decided with them
a couple of important issues. I don't know that there's
(27:54):
any surprise there. But these people doing it for show?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
That's a great question for any political office or politician.
You know what motivates their their behavior, whether they're doing
it for show or not. I think it's a it's
a it doesn't do. It doesn't do the Trump administration
very much good. And so they're successful demonstrations in my opinion. Yeah,
(28:22):
we're very disturbing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
It does. It's not a good look to see the
guy who's the Senator from California having to be in
l A last week when that happened, and all of
the people for the most part that I was listening
to on the talk radio scene on the talk radio
front in LA. We're condemning the the just the way
it looked, not anything else, I mean, doesn't look it
(28:47):
was terrible to see.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
It's very terrible.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, right, yep, all right, Well, we've gone through a
lot of issues that surround the stories here on the
charts for this past week June sixteenth to the twentieth.
Thank you for joining us again.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
The Top Radio Countdown.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
We're counting down what America is talking about. The Talk
Radio Countdown show continues the.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Top Radio Countdown, and so it does. So here we are.
I'm Doug Stephan. This time around, I'm going to have
a pleasure of discussing with Stephen JJ Wiseman, the official
attorney for the Countdown. In other words, he gets me
out of trouble when I get into trouble. But he's
also here to interpret some of the items that are
on the list that have legal ramifications. And I suppose
(29:43):
we should start with the Supreme Court and what they
did or didn't do this week in a couple of
important measures.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
So it is, say Steve, with the Supreme Court.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
One of the big things that they did was they
took away our rights in regards to transgender treatment for minors.
And you know that one, you know, the progressives on
the Court were very upset and said that it was
you know, it was an ethical and immoral but strictly
(30:13):
speaking on a on a legal setting, this is something
that you know is not a constitutional right. And you know,
one of the things we've we've often looked at over
the years is Congress and legislatures not really doing their
their jobs in the sense of, you know, even when
you look at abortion and other issues, they would always
(30:34):
let the Supreme Court make the decision on what is
an essential right that the legislatures don't even have to
get involved with. And so that kind of continuing and
really accentuating that tradition before this court, which is giving
a lot of a lot of leeway to legislatures, but
in so doing there saying we're not going to be
(30:56):
determining what are the essential rights. It's it's going back
to what they call the original intention, which to me
legally doesn't mean a lot because if you go at
the legal the original intention of the Constitution, women had
no rights. People of color, you had no rights. Actually
you had to be a white property owner. So but
(31:17):
it's a legitimate legal theory.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
One of the things that came out this week was
the determination that the president, mister Trump, can't require states
to cooperate with ice to get Department of Transportation funding.
So Trump says to the states, Okay, you do this
and I'll make I'll fix you. And apparently that I mean,
(31:40):
he can do it with some things, but apparently this
specific area they can't find. I wonder what, what how
did they figure that out? What did judge say that
to block the administration from requiring a couple of dozen
democratic states to cooperate with the immigration authorities? And basically
the say and screw you were not going.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
One of the things that the federal government has done
for many years in order to get the states to
go along with things that they may not is what
we call the power of the purse, which is, if
you don't do this, we're going to cut your funding.
So it's one reason why all of the states have
a drinking age of twenty one where that really isn't
(32:23):
something that the federal government would be able to assess.
But they said they would withhold highway funds unless the
states did it. So there has to be some direct correlation.
And that's where here the courts are kind of cutting
down on essentially blackmail what President Trump is trying to
do to make executive orders one that he doesn't have
(32:47):
the authority to do that require Congress to do, or
two to just use the threat of money for absolutely everything.
And so we'll see what happens with the courts. Although
I even noticed this week Secretary of Exist saying when
there was a question about limiting the use of the
(33:09):
National Guard in states to help enforce ice, that they
were not going to follow I didn't think that they
had to follow the courts. And that's been the most
troubling thing for me about the Trump administration is although
they have agreed and backed off the old Taco Trump
always chickens out when the courts have ruled against him.
(33:32):
In many instances, they've tried to take the position of
just ignoring the courts. And we are a country supposedly
of laws, not of people.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Right. Very interesting this week also he said that we
have too many holidays, and frankly I agree with him.
I think we do, but I don't know. On Juneteenth,
he plays his own banjo on this one. We have
too many holidays, so he's going to go to court
to try to limit them or have an executive order.
(34:00):
Does that hold any merit?
Speaker 6 (34:02):
No, it doesn't. And you know, the total insensitivity of
you know, here's he doesn't want slavery to be taught
in the schools, and the one holiday that really does
the proclamating any emancipation proclamation in how it affected Texas,
he wants to do away with it. I mean, just
(34:24):
absolutely outrageous and unthinkable that a president would do that.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
No, it isn't. Come on, what are you talking about?
All right? Step Wiseman here with us on the Talk
Radio Countdown Show, Doug Stephan The Talk Radio Countdown.
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