June 6, 2025 • 35 mins
6/7/25 - The Trump/Musk War Tops This Week's List
Host Doug Stephan along with Michael Harrison, Editor/Publisher of Talkers Magazine, review the most talked about stories and people on news/talk radio for the week of June 2nd, 2025 through June 6th, 2025. Compiled by the research department at Talkers Magazine - The Bible of Talk Radio and the New Talk Media - www.talkers.com
STORIES
Host Doug Stephan along with Michael Harrison, Editor/Publisher of Talkers Magazine, review the most talked about stories and people on news/talk radio for the week of June 2nd, 2025 through June 6th, 2025. Compiled by the research department at Talkers Magazine - The Bible of Talk Radio and the New Talk Media - www.talkers.com
STORIES
- Trump-Musk War
- Big, Beautiful Bill / National Debt / Debt Ceiling
- Medicaid Cuts
- Trump vs Harvard & Columbia
- ICE Raids / Deportations
- Trump Doubles Steel & Aluminum Tariffs / U.S.-China Trade War
- Colorado Fire Attack
- Biden Health Coverup / Biden Actions Investigation
- Ukraine Drone Strikes on Russia / Deadly Gaza Violence
- Travel Ban / Iran Nukes
- Donald Trump
- Elon Musk
- Mike Johnson
- Rand Paul / Mike Lee
- Linda McMahon
- Xi Jinping
- Volodymyr Zelensky
- Joe Biden
- Mohamed Soliman
- Benjamin Netanyahu
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Michael Harrison, the editor and publisher of Talkers Magazine for
thirty one years, we have every week gone through the
charts for that previous week the stories, the top ten
stories of the week have ten people, and so we
accommodate the need that people have. You want to know,
kind of objectively speaking, is that's the way they do
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the research at Talkers Magazine objectively what are the big
beautiful stories of the week has a very unsettled, unsettled
way of getting into the countdown. To Michael, if you
would go through the top ten in the story column
and the top ten and the people column, we would be.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Grateful, ah gratitude granted what a concept all right, Let's
start with ten.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
We have two stories.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
We have the travel band and we have the Iran
nukes conversation. At number nine, we have the UK drone
strikes on Russia, which I could talk about that forever.
That's an amazing development, and that's tied with deadly Gaza violence.
At number eight, we have the Biden health cover up,
and that's tied with Biden Actions investigation. So that's still there.
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They're going to hang onto that as long as possible.
The Colorado fire attack at number seven, terrible tragedy, both
in terms of the cost on health and life, and
not to mention the violence and the hatred in the world.
At number six, Trump double steel and aluminum tariffs, tied
with the US China trade war. At number five, we
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have the ice raids and deportations. At number four, we
have Trump versus Harvard and Columbia. At number three, we
have medicaid cuts. At number two, the aforementioned big beautiful bill,
tied with the national debt and the debt ceiling. And
at number one, out of the blue, the topic that
just came like a tsunami and blew everything off the table.
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The last two days of the week, Thursday and Friday
Talk Media. You mentioned before, it's version of Superman versus Batman,
depending on how you look at these superheroes, or King
Kong versus Godzilla, or Predator versus Alien. You know, it
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definitely has become a Marvel Comics movie, and that is
the Trump Musk war. On the people list, we have
Benjaminette Yahoo at ten, Mohammed Soliman at number nine, he's
the guy with the flame thrower, Joe Biden at eight,
Vladimir Zelenski at number seven, number six, Xi Jianping number five,
Linda McMahon number four, Paul Rand Paul and Mike Lee,
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Mike Johnson at three, Elon Musk at two, and Donald
Trump at number one, and those two circling each other
and lobbing verbal and social media fire bombs over the fence.
It's a remarkable thing to witness, although I cannot say
anybody is surprised.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Do you think people are surprised?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
No, the first week of June. I actually think it's
taken longer than I thought it was going to at
the beginning for Musk and.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Trump to fall out. I thinkured trumpould get tied, but
it looks like more the.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Musk side of it is more troubling, if you will,
to at least to Trump, than it is the other
way around. I thought Trump would be done with Muska
three or four months and that'd be the end of that,
because they both have the same egos. And it's very,
very interesting to see how some of the Republicans are
peeling away. Even Marjorie Taylor Green from the Big Beautiful
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Bill acknowledging that she never read it, which is nothing
that surprised anybody, because most of these people don't read
these bills anyway. But the fact that there is major
opposition among some of Trump's strongest supporters tells you something
is very It's all serious, but this is very serious.
So we're overviewing the charts from Talkers magazine, which find
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at talkers dot com for the week of June second
to the sixth, twenty twenty five. You made mention of
the Ukrainian drone strikes. You said you could talk a
great deal about them.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So please let's get started with you doing that, Okay.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
I think I think that this indicates I think this
indicates a change in warfare.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Zolensky is fighting the war of the future, and Putin
is fighting the war the past. And you know, we
worry about sleeper cells, we worry about terrorist groups, we
worry about individuals wreaking havoc on big societies. Well, reverse
the flip, flip the narrative. You've got this militarized, strong,
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resolved nation sitting on your border and in a corner
struggling to survive. I'd be scared, you know what, less
if we had a country, a hostile country like that,
right over our border, with the ability that it has
to wreak havoc with nuclear weapons, with drones, with armament,
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and so many hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers have
already died. Did you realize what a danger Ukraine presents
to Russia if you look at it through twenty first
century standards?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
But no, it all right, don't are they getting the
talent pool? Where are they getting the money? Are they
getting it? They're not still getting money from us. I
didn't think they were getting to the point that they
got when Biden was president.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
All this stuff.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
They got materials from us. They never got money from us.
Although I'm sure there's money. First of all, I'm sure
there are sources that a country that is putting up
resistance to Russia. I'm sure there's plenty of sources in
the world that want to support them, as evidence by
you know, the European Union and NATO and the United States.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Not only that, Michael, but there is this whole business,
the international community of warfare, all of these drug dealing,
these gun toting, these the the people who on the
side on the black web, dealing with weaponry. There are
jillions of millions of dollars to be made, and the
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Ukrainians certainly.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Have the act.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
They can get access to that stuff. The Russian probably
can't too, but they're so disorganized. Putin has to be
on the people in Russia got to be thinking about
something different than Putin, no matter what, you know.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I just oh, he's got a major public relations.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Problem Putin because just to start with, Russia is an
almost impossibly diverse and large country to govern. So he's
got to constantly play to the fear factor that they're
sold from NATO to the west, they're under assault from
Ukraine and some of the former Soviet republics to the
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south and to the east. They have to dance with China,
they have to keep some kind of a nice relationship
going with North Korea. They're involved in some kind of
crazy relationship that none of us fully quite having focus
with Donald Trump, who has got his hands full, and frankly,
I don't.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Think he's up to think.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I think he's pretty successful as a dictator in terms
of consolidating power and doing what he does.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Fear Marketer right, But I think he's in trouble.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I think.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
I know they don't let it out. I mean, people
are not stupid.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
You know, every dictator out there falls eventually to the
forces of reason and intelligence and bravery within the countries
that their dictator's over.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
So I'm a tiger.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
About that with regard to China too, because there's lots
of disruption unrest because of the economy over there falling apart.
All right, let's pause for a moment here in the
talk radio review section of your listening this weekend, I'm
Doug Stephan with Michael Harrison. So this whole business you
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have caused me to think of our relationships with Mexico
and Canada.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
They don't we should, We should be very careful. Yeah,
they are not. They're not rollovers.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
We we cannot have our post World War Two arrogance.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
These are nations.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
They have pride, they have military, they have technology, and
they they're they're brave, and if you provoke them, they're
gonna they're what do people expect, They're gonna They're going
to rally around the flag, their leader and their national pride.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
We've we've rolled over too much in terms of the
public acceptance of Trump, his personality and what he wants
to do when he wants to get done. He had,
he has this opportunity still. I think he's he hasn't
quite blown it yet, but it's getting close to blowing
his whole the whole picture of blowing up. And there
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are people who are talking this week about getting rid
of him, putting Jdvan It's in there are and that's.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Not like chatter.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
There are a lot of people who have just had
enough of this guy. And he doesn't read the tea leaves.
He thinks that there's something. You know, we all recognize
the fact there's something wrong here, something dramatically wrong, and
we've put up with it long enough. Are there things
that are happening that are good for the country. Yeah, probably,
But it's like the wheat and the chaff. They're getting
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lost in all the hubbub about the other stuff going on,
which is really to say it's a problem is to
do is too dismissive. More coming up, we'll talk about
the feud in a matter of moments. Here on the Countdown.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Radio Countdown, we're counting down what America is talking about.
The talk radio Countdown show continues.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Doug with Michael and a focus now on the feud
between Trump and the Musk and the late night talk hosts.
They're so superficial, they're so transparent, and they're so like
juvenile and a man was speaking not the whole thing.
The Musk and the Trump thing is like three year
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olds playing in a sandbox.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And these jerks that are on at night, like Colbert, they.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Think they're so damn smug that they know we told
you kind of we told you, so, who the hell
are you? And why does anybody care? Frankly, why do
you think people care? This is this isn't the issue.
But it does annoy me to see these guys continually
pounding away And why do people watch that stuff? What
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are we creating here? Instead of having it creating.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
We're creating diversity. We're creating different points of view. We're
creating from platforms, we're creating comedy.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Comedy is a very important tool for commis there, well,
I I view, I disagree with your premise. I mean,
but I certainly welcome it. I'm happy we're having this discussion,
but I disagree with it. I disagree with it on
a major level. And that is, you seem to be
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dismissing their validity both in terms of as influencers and
as talent and as a reasonable perspective on complex issues
because you don't agree with them. I think it's what
gives you, What gives you, what gives you the right,
and what gives me the right.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Same thing that gives you the right.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Right, we all have the right to express ourselves because so.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Why don't they They have the right to do it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I'm just saying that you don't. I find them obnoxious,
That's what I'm saying. I just find them and their
premise to be obnoxious. That's I don't find it amusing.
I'm a Johnny Carson Ed McMahon guy. That was funny,
and it was enjoyable and it was fun to watch.
This is not And you can say if you are
followers of their fashion. Hey, it's great stuff, but you
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know where I'm coming from. More, as the school of
broadcasting teaches us to try to bring everybody into the tent.
I remember, and I've mentioned this on the year before
the fact that Ed McMahon and I became.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Great friends later in his life. And I remember once.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Interviewing him on the old CNBC asking him about his politics,
and he said, nobody knows my politics, and I don't
want anybody to know what my politics or I want everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
To buy Alpo, so.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Right away, if you don't like where Stephen Colbert is
coming from, many people will ignore the advertising on those
shows and not support it because he and the others
have given them a reason not to follow suit, not
to follow his guys, not to follow what is being sold.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's kind of where I'm coming from when it comes
to broadcast.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
I understand.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
I understand that all I'm saying is, these guys have
millions of subscribers on YouTube, millions of viewers on regular television,
whatever that is. Anymore, I think that the clips of
their I think the clips of their monologues are extremely
important as an extremely important part of podcasting. Video podcasting.
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I just respect the hell out of what they're doing
as being part of the game. But I see my
own role differently than you do. I do not see
It takes a lot to push me. I'm more of
the Ed McMahon. It takes a lot to push me
into actually revealing more and more of what I personally
think of things. And that's only because it's become so
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deadly and extreme. I mean, how could I possibly say
I'm a champion of the First Amendment when some of
the players out there are trying to get rid of
the First I mean the most important.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Player, when you can argue the most important player wants
to get rid of it because it doesn't suit him.
And that's another one of the dangers that we are
talking about. We have gone down a street that certainly
you and I have not experienced in our lifetime, and
we continue to talk about that here June second through
the sixth, the week that we are focused on. First
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week of June twenty twenty five, we were talking about
the late night shows. Let's not spend any more time
time about that. Let's go back to I don't know
if we need to even talk more about Trump and Musk,
what is there as the whole thing crumbles.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I can't say, as I did say before.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Well, one of the things that's interesting to talk about.
One of the things that's interesting to talk about is
where is it going? What kind of damage will it
do to Trump? Musk's damage is a whole different deal.
And Musk has suffered damage. But you know he's crying
all the way to the bank, even with all the
money he's lost. He's he'll be okay. Don't worry about him.
And I, frankly wouldn't worry if I were the richest
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man in the world, or the second richest man in
the world, or the third, that would be an argument
I'd leave for juvenile minds.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
But Trump.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
You know, one of the names that is not on
the list this week, because you know it's in reality
there could be one hundred names in the top ten
names and it's constantly changing, is Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein
is not on our list, but he could be. An
argument could be made. People are resurrecting the Jeffrey Epstein case,
which includes explaining to a lot of people what the
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hell the Jeffrey Epstein case even is.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
It's been a few years, and.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
This whole thing about Musk wanting to drop the big
bomb that Trump, in other words, information could come out
this coming week that Trump was involved in activities that
would clearly cast him as a pedophile.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And he's been very clear he has not.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Musk hasn't run away from using the word pedophile, accusing
him of a pedophile. And so what is you know,
you look again at people, what kind of person wants
to be the president of the United States? What sort
of prison when you look at there are a lot
of accusations against Bill.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Clinton at that time.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I don't remember that there have been any against some
of the others who have been around.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
But I mean, you hear things like you hear things like, well,
you know, Dwight David Eisenhower was reported to have had
a mistress while he was never a mistress. Yeah, but
I mean, there's a big difference between having a mistress
and being a womanizing pedophile.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I mean, come on, right, So now here's here's what Trump,
in his childish manner, he goes back at Musk, threatening
all of the government contracts that he has.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Right, look at look at that abuse, look at that,
look at that knee jerk reaction to abuse.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
All Right, I don't like you.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
I'm going to use the presidency to destroy all of
those contracts you have or worse yet, he's been using
his power.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
To destroy lots of people and other things. Frankly so, now,
Musk late in the week came out with an endorsement
from Republicans who are thinking quietly about impeachment.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So Musk says, yeah, it's time to get rid of him.
He'll do you no good.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And so I mean, we're yeah, you're wondering, where are
we going to be this.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Time next week? What are we going to be talking about?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
What will be unfolded between now and then.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yeah, that's that's why I jumped in and said, no,
this is important. There's a lot to talk about, and
there's a lot that we're going to be talking about
as a result of it. Because this battle between these
two behemoths is revealing information to the middle and to
the MAGA crowd. People that are hip to how scurrilous
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both sides can be are not surprised. They may welcome
the revelation, but it's the undecided, it's the middle ground.
It's the people that don't follow politics, and it's the
MAGA crowd. They're the ones that have great consequence in
terms of opening their eyes to holy only look at
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what's going on.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I talked to a friend of mine last night who
was out walking his dog with his wife, who was
a big Trump supporter, a mega guy, and he volunteered
to me. He knows what my background is, certainly knows
how I made my living the last sixty years, and
so under the circumstances, he is happy to conduct a
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talk show with me.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I'm in my truck driving through.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
One of the streets and he's walking his dog and
he says, ah, so what do you think about this?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And he starts to laugh, and you know.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
They still think the hardcore members of the group still
think that he's going to be fine and it's going
to be fined. Newsflash, folks, He's not going to be
fine and it's not going to be fine. It's the
Trump situation is getting worse, and it's for me. And
I don't say this because I think it's good for
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I think it's good for anybody, good for the country. Mostly,
I think he's done. I think he has he has
shot his wad. If you will I think that there.
I mean, there are may be many more things he
could do, but in the meantime, the idea of doing
what he was doing economically, which is part of what
we're talking about this week, the national debt, the debt ceiling, people,
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small businesses that can't get loans, that are going out
of business, right and left, and the people say, oh, no,
that's not really true.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I can tell you I know half a dozen people
that are my colleagues and various small businesses who are done.
And so as that rolls out, that's going to be
Those are the people. Also, many of them are magas,
and they're the ones who supported and they are pulling
out left and right. I didn't say it's good. I
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didn't say I liked it, But that's the reality.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
M Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
And the election is the common congressional election. That's where
that's where you know what's going to hit the fan
as I mean, But well, I I think that awareness
is very important. And what you talked about you think
that it's over. I think that this whole Musk Trump feud,
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you know, is in fact a tipping point in that
progress in terms of Trump finished.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And then you look at the Democrats. What are the
Democrats doing to sort of take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Nothing?
Speaker 5 (22:50):
They're finished too, nothing. You know, They're not the remedy
to the problem. America's, America's media, and America's electorate have
got to come to the realization that just because one
side is bad doesn't mean the other side is good.
And the lesser of two evils doesn't always work. And
that's why we're facing a crisis constitutionally, but even deeper morally.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
So ok.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
And to add to how the tipping, how the scale
is tipping. The administration was told to bring back a
wrongly deported migrant. The judge ordered it, and they I
don't want to use the word well, I guess I've
used the word acquiesce. They haven't challenged it because there's
too many fires now and so these individual cases that
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we're wrong to begin with, and no matter how you
look at it, the objective side of many of these
contested deportations, I'm all for deporting anybody.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Who is not a good citizen.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And that's you see all of this drama continuing to
play out all over the.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Place, but especially here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You and I have seen lots of it this past week,
or to wrestling, fighting, clobbering people that supposedly are here illegally,
and then to come around and find out that they
are here illegally. That puts a bad face on the
good work that ICE is doing to get rid of
the people.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
It shouldn't be here.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
This is one of the initiatives that Trump has started,
in my mind, that is most beneficial. But here they
are screwing it up because they're so damned arrogant.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
How about it, Well, their execution stinks and terrible. I mean,
look at the costumes that the I like to they
called the jack booted thugs of the government.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
What they are.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
You know that wearing nighttime goggles during the day to
arrest citizens on San Diego, the citizens put up blockades.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
They won't let them in. People in America, You've got.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
To remember, first of all, how heavily armed America is.
And if suddenly all of that armed America, suddenly it
wakes up and says, wait a second, I wouldn't want
to be on the government side, because America is probably
the most armed country in terms of the citizens per arms.
And if you rile Americans up, you got yourself a
very big problem. And Trump knows that, but I don't
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know if he's smart enough to execute it properly. But
does the other thing? Let me just let me just
throw this thought at you. What about the sheer incompetence
of some of the department heads and secretaries that Trumps
has put into power. The reason they put him in
power is because they're the perfect yes men. They'll do
anything He's got yes men.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But I think Kennedy is an exception to that.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I think, well, that's that's your opinion. You'll have to
answer to that. But that's that's neither here nor there.
How about Dan Bongino. You and I knew Dan Bongino
is a colleague in this business, and I would I
would defend the hell out of him, like I defend
the hell out of all of them to have a
freedom of speech and to be sub to criticism. But
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I don't have to defend Dan Bongino anymore because Dan
Bongino is not one of us anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
He's one of them.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Did you see did you see his recent appearance on
Fox and Friends? And did you see some of the
things he said where he.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Was he is all about? But the fact that he
was a god.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Yeah, but whinding that he has to go to work.
I actually have to be there at seven point thirty
and I don't get to see my wife.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Until seven o'clock.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Check out on YouTube some of the clips of Bongino
talking about how he didn't expect his job at the
Pentagon to this tough.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
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about this continuing now war of words between Harvard and
now this week Columbia with the Trump administration. We've touched
on many other things have to do with the economy.
I don't know whether you think we ought to talk
about the Biden Why they're trying to Maybe this is
part of them getting the focus away from them to
(28:52):
talk about Biden. But at this point, I guess, and
this is me as you point out, Michael, why do
we care.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Joe Biden and his actions?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
We're going to investigate they're going to waste taxpayers money,
so they.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Covered up his health.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You think that's a surprise that, as you said earlier,
the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Are done too.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So let's let's talk about a couple of things here
that we haven't touched on that we should in a
matter of moments. Here on the Countdown, the Top Radio Countdown.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
We're counting down what America is talking about. The talk
Radio Countdown show continues the.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Top Radio Countdown.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Michael Harrison and Doug Stefan here continuing our conversation about
the reality of what really affects you and these Medicaid
cuts could affect you, your family, people that you're close to,
and this is part of the I mean, if you
think there are some things that are worth saying, if
(30:01):
that's really the way that you look at it. Republicans
have always been supposedly conservative and for me, meaning the
word conserved means to save. I'm not sure that you're
saving anything here. And what amazes me is that this
stuff still gets put into bills. And what amazes me,
I don't know why I should be amazed, Michael, none
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of these people read this stuff. They shirk their responsibility.
It's you know, it's kind of what do we have
for government? We all talk about self governing. We're on
our own here pretty much. We are individually, and.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
We need a RESPONSI media.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
We need a responsible media in an educated public. Those
those are the two problems. Otherwise democracy doesn't work. It
makes us vulnerable to a demagogue. As Steve Wiseman would say,
things are not as bad as they seem their worst, all.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Right, Yeah, yeah, this is a slot where Steve usually is.
But Michael and I are continuing with the items that
we really think.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I mean, I did read something to speaking about Robert
de Niro.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And his thought because he's a very big anti Trump
guy and he's very vocal about it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And you wonder.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Again how it is that people get this angry. Well,
I know people in my family who are the same
on both sides that are and we all know that
it's family versus family sometimes and friend versus friend Ala.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Hello Trump? Does Trump have any friends? I could, I
could sort of.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Know he has no friends, not even among his family,
even his wife, his children know.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
He has.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Everything with him is transactional every end, and his major
his major purpose in life is self gain, self gain,
not our gain, self gain.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah, and that's that's the way it is.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
I mean, this is not me, This is not politically
ideological what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
This is just an observation of nature.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
All right.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So then let's go to the item that is on
the list this week, the Colorado attack and what happened
there and these people, the anger, the hatred that we
see demonstrated on so many different levels. The Republicans hate
the Democrats vice versa. The Jews hate the Muslims or
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so many of them. And you know, we go back
to the wars, the Potato wars, the Catholics versus the Protestants.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And you know, why do we eat the killer.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Instinct that people seem to have that maybe is part
of human nature. It's very frustrating for somebody like me
who believes we all should just get along, make life
much better, we live longer and be happier.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
We can't seem to make that happen, Michael, it's not
part of the own condition.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Well again, that also is something that would take us
off course if we got too hung up on it.
We would have a philosophy show or a theology show.
We have a political show and a pop cultural show,
and we deal with We deal with what we deal with.
That's what that's the purpose of this platform is to
oversee what people are talking about in the marketplace of
(33:16):
ideas and share a little insight nudget one way or
the other, so that people listening can get an idea
of the American zeitgeist.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
I guess, to use a.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Fancy word, that isn't that fancy anymore. But but no,
I make no apologies for what we talk about because
sometimes you say, you know, why are we talking about it?
Speaker 6 (33:34):
But we're talking about it because people are talking about it.
That's why we're talking about Its important. It's evidently important.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
This week on Bill Maher's program, he warned that the
voters are leaving in drones are going to come up
with a new party. The Democrats are doomed. I enjoy
watching him, frankly, maybe because we as used to pointed
out earlier, I don't like Kober, but I do like
mar and we watch what we want to watch, and
we like what we you know, what we think people
(34:03):
who agree with is like I keep talking about Cuomo
on TV.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It's just it's all about where it's at.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
I guess much. You're evolving.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
That's why.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
You're You're evolving into the the the the everyman fan
as opposed to the objective commentator.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
And that's okay as a role.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
But I'm I'm I'm reacting to you as such because
I'm clinging to the original mission.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
As difficult as it is right now, I'm right.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
I mean, it's difficult that it's tough to do what
we're doing, especially when we don't know who's listening. We
are not targeting what we're saying to please the ideology
or to give a shot of dopamine to any particular
target audience, which is the way most of the media is.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Which makes all right.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Our task is done for this week. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
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Michael Harrison, the editor and publisher of Talkers Magazine for
thirty one years, we have every week gone through the
charts for that previous week the stories, the top ten
stories of the week have ten people, and so we
accommodate the need that people have. You want to know,
kind of objectively speaking, is that's the way they do
(02:08):
the research at Talkers Magazine objectively what are the big
beautiful stories of the week has a very unsettled, unsettled
way of getting into the countdown. To Michael, if you
would go through the top ten in the story column
and the top ten and the people column, we would be.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Grateful, ah gratitude granted what a concept all right, Let's
start with ten.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
We have two stories.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
We have the travel band and we have the Iran
nukes conversation. At number nine, we have the UK drone
strikes on Russia, which I could talk about that forever.
That's an amazing development, and that's tied with deadly Gaza violence.
At number eight, we have the Biden health cover up,
and that's tied with Biden Actions investigation. So that's still there.
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They're going to hang onto that as long as possible.
The Colorado fire attack at number seven, terrible tragedy, both
in terms of the cost on health and life, and
not to mention the violence and the hatred in the world.
At number six, Trump double steel and aluminum tariffs, tied
with the US China trade war. At number five, we
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have the ice raids and deportations. At number four, we
have Trump versus Harvard and Columbia. At number three, we
have medicaid cuts. At number two, the aforementioned big beautiful bill,
tied with the national debt and the debt ceiling. And
at number one, out of the blue, the topic that
just came like a tsunami and blew everything off the table.
(03:43):
The last two days of the week, Thursday and Friday
Talk Media. You mentioned before, it's version of Superman versus Batman,
depending on how you look at these superheroes, or King
Kong versus Godzilla, or Predator versus Alien. You know, it
(04:04):
definitely has become a Marvel Comics movie, and that is
the Trump Musk war. On the people list, we have
Benjaminette Yahoo at ten, Mohammed Soliman at number nine, he's
the guy with the flame thrower, Joe Biden at eight,
Vladimir Zelenski at number seven, number six, Xi Jianping number five,
Linda McMahon number four, Paul Rand Paul and Mike Lee,
(04:30):
Mike Johnson at three, Elon Musk at two, and Donald
Trump at number one, and those two circling each other
and lobbing verbal and social media fire bombs over the fence.
It's a remarkable thing to witness, although I cannot say
anybody is surprised.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Do you think people are surprised?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
No, the first week of June. I actually think it's
taken longer than I thought it was going to at
the beginning for Musk and.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Trump to fall out. I thinkured trumpould get tied, but
it looks like more the.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Musk side of it is more troubling, if you will,
to at least to Trump, than it is the other
way around. I thought Trump would be done with Muska
three or four months and that'd be the end of that,
because they both have the same egos. And it's very,
very interesting to see how some of the Republicans are
peeling away. Even Marjorie Taylor Green from the Big Beautiful
(05:27):
Bill acknowledging that she never read it, which is nothing
that surprised anybody, because most of these people don't read
these bills anyway. But the fact that there is major
opposition among some of Trump's strongest supporters tells you something
is very It's all serious, but this is very serious.
So we're overviewing the charts from Talkers magazine, which find
(05:48):
at talkers dot com for the week of June second
to the sixth, twenty twenty five. You made mention of
the Ukrainian drone strikes. You said you could talk a
great deal about them.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So please let's get started with you doing that, Okay.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
I think I think that this indicates I think this
indicates a change in warfare.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Zolensky is fighting the war of the future, and Putin
is fighting the war the past. And you know, we
worry about sleeper cells, we worry about terrorist groups, we
worry about individuals wreaking havoc on big societies. Well, reverse
the flip, flip the narrative. You've got this militarized, strong,
(06:32):
resolved nation sitting on your border and in a corner
struggling to survive. I'd be scared, you know what, less
if we had a country, a hostile country like that,
right over our border, with the ability that it has
to wreak havoc with nuclear weapons, with drones, with armament,
(06:58):
and so many hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers have
already died. Did you realize what a danger Ukraine presents
to Russia if you look at it through twenty first
century standards?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
But no, it all right, don't are they getting the
talent pool? Where are they getting the money? Are they
getting it? They're not still getting money from us. I
didn't think they were getting to the point that they
got when Biden was president.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
All this stuff.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
They got materials from us. They never got money from us.
Although I'm sure there's money. First of all, I'm sure
there are sources that a country that is putting up
resistance to Russia. I'm sure there's plenty of sources in
the world that want to support them, as evidence by
you know, the European Union and NATO and the United States.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Not only that, Michael, but there is this whole business,
the international community of warfare, all of these drug dealing,
these gun toting, these the the people who on the
side on the black web, dealing with weaponry. There are
jillions of millions of dollars to be made, and the
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Ukrainians certainly.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Have the act.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
They can get access to that stuff. The Russian probably
can't too, but they're so disorganized. Putin has to be
on the people in Russia got to be thinking about
something different than Putin, no matter what, you know.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I just oh, he's got a major public relations.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Problem Putin because just to start with, Russia is an
almost impossibly diverse and large country to govern. So he's
got to constantly play to the fear factor that they're
sold from NATO to the west, they're under assault from
Ukraine and some of the former Soviet republics to the
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south and to the east. They have to dance with China,
they have to keep some kind of a nice relationship
going with North Korea. They're involved in some kind of
crazy relationship that none of us fully quite having focus
with Donald Trump, who has got his hands full, and frankly,
I don't.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Think he's up to think.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I think he's pretty successful as a dictator in terms
of consolidating power and doing what he does.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Fear Marketer right, But I think he's in trouble.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I think.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
I know they don't let it out. I mean, people
are not stupid.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
You know, every dictator out there falls eventually to the
forces of reason and intelligence and bravery within the countries
that their dictator's over.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
So I'm a tiger.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
About that with regard to China too, because there's lots
of disruption unrest because of the economy over there falling apart.
All right, let's pause for a moment here in the
talk radio review section of your listening this weekend, I'm
Doug Stephan with Michael Harrison. So this whole business you
(09:57):
have caused me to think of our relationships with Mexico
and Canada.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
They don't we should, We should be very careful. Yeah,
they are not. They're not rollovers.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
We we cannot have our post World War Two arrogance.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
These are nations.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
They have pride, they have military, they have technology, and
they they're they're brave, and if you provoke them, they're
gonna they're what do people expect, They're gonna They're going
to rally around the flag, their leader and their national pride.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
We've we've rolled over too much in terms of the
public acceptance of Trump, his personality and what he wants
to do when he wants to get done. He had,
he has this opportunity still. I think he's he hasn't
quite blown it yet, but it's getting close to blowing
his whole the whole picture of blowing up. And there
(10:56):
are people who are talking this week about getting rid
of him, putting Jdvan It's in there are and that's.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Not like chatter.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
There are a lot of people who have just had
enough of this guy. And he doesn't read the tea leaves.
He thinks that there's something. You know, we all recognize
the fact there's something wrong here, something dramatically wrong, and
we've put up with it long enough. Are there things
that are happening that are good for the country. Yeah, probably,
But it's like the wheat and the chaff. They're getting
(11:26):
lost in all the hubbub about the other stuff going on,
which is really to say it's a problem is to
do is too dismissive. More coming up, we'll talk about
the feud in a matter of moments. Here on the Countdown.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Radio Countdown, we're counting down what America is talking about.
The talk radio Countdown show continues.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Doug with Michael and a focus now on the feud
between Trump and the Musk and the late night talk hosts.
They're so superficial, they're so transparent, and they're so like
juvenile and a man was speaking not the whole thing.
The Musk and the Trump thing is like three year
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olds playing in a sandbox.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And these jerks that are on at night, like Colbert, they.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Think they're so damn smug that they know we told
you kind of we told you, so, who the hell
are you? And why does anybody care? Frankly, why do
you think people care? This is this isn't the issue.
But it does annoy me to see these guys continually
pounding away And why do people watch that stuff? What
(12:53):
are we creating here? Instead of having it creating.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
We're creating diversity. We're creating different points of view. We're
creating from platforms, we're creating comedy.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Comedy is a very important tool for commis there, well,
I I view, I disagree with your premise. I mean,
but I certainly welcome it. I'm happy we're having this discussion,
but I disagree with it. I disagree with it on
a major level. And that is, you seem to be
(13:23):
dismissing their validity both in terms of as influencers and
as talent and as a reasonable perspective on complex issues
because you don't agree with them. I think it's what
gives you, What gives you, what gives you the right,
and what gives me the right.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Same thing that gives you the right.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Right, we all have the right to express ourselves because so.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Why don't they They have the right to do it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I'm just saying that you don't. I find them obnoxious,
That's what I'm saying. I just find them and their
premise to be obnoxious. That's I don't find it amusing.
I'm a Johnny Carson Ed McMahon guy. That was funny,
and it was enjoyable and it was fun to watch.
This is not And you can say if you are
followers of their fashion. Hey, it's great stuff, but you
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know where I'm coming from. More, as the school of
broadcasting teaches us to try to bring everybody into the tent.
I remember, and I've mentioned this on the year before
the fact that Ed McMahon and I became.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Great friends later in his life. And I remember once.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Interviewing him on the old CNBC asking him about his politics,
and he said, nobody knows my politics, and I don't
want anybody to know what my politics or I want everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
To buy Alpo, so.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Right away, if you don't like where Stephen Colbert is
coming from, many people will ignore the advertising on those
shows and not support it because he and the others
have given them a reason not to follow suit, not
to follow his guys, not to follow what is being sold.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's kind of where I'm coming from when it comes
to broadcast.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
I understand.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
I understand that all I'm saying is, these guys have
millions of subscribers on YouTube, millions of viewers on regular television,
whatever that is. Anymore, I think that the clips of
their I think the clips of their monologues are extremely
important as an extremely important part of podcasting. Video podcasting.
(15:29):
I just respect the hell out of what they're doing
as being part of the game. But I see my
own role differently than you do. I do not see
It takes a lot to push me. I'm more of
the Ed McMahon. It takes a lot to push me
into actually revealing more and more of what I personally
think of things. And that's only because it's become so
(15:51):
deadly and extreme. I mean, how could I possibly say
I'm a champion of the First Amendment when some of
the players out there are trying to get rid of
the First I mean the most important.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Player, when you can argue the most important player wants
to get rid of it because it doesn't suit him.
And that's another one of the dangers that we are
talking about. We have gone down a street that certainly
you and I have not experienced in our lifetime, and
we continue to talk about that here June second through
the sixth, the week that we are focused on. First
(16:23):
week of June twenty twenty five, we were talking about
the late night shows. Let's not spend any more time
time about that. Let's go back to I don't know
if we need to even talk more about Trump and Musk,
what is there as the whole thing crumbles.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I can't say, as I did say before.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Well, one of the things that's interesting to talk about.
One of the things that's interesting to talk about is
where is it going? What kind of damage will it
do to Trump? Musk's damage is a whole different deal.
And Musk has suffered damage. But you know he's crying
all the way to the bank, even with all the
money he's lost. He's he'll be okay. Don't worry about him.
And I, frankly wouldn't worry if I were the richest
(17:03):
man in the world, or the second richest man in
the world, or the third, that would be an argument
I'd leave for juvenile minds.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
But Trump.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
You know, one of the names that is not on
the list this week, because you know it's in reality
there could be one hundred names in the top ten
names and it's constantly changing, is Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein
is not on our list, but he could be. An
argument could be made. People are resurrecting the Jeffrey Epstein case,
which includes explaining to a lot of people what the
(17:36):
hell the Jeffrey Epstein case even is.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
It's been a few years, and.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
This whole thing about Musk wanting to drop the big
bomb that Trump, in other words, information could come out
this coming week that Trump was involved in activities that
would clearly cast him as a pedophile.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And he's been very clear he has not.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Musk hasn't run away from using the word pedophile, accusing
him of a pedophile. And so what is you know,
you look again at people, what kind of person wants
to be the president of the United States? What sort
of prison when you look at there are a lot
of accusations against Bill.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Clinton at that time.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I don't remember that there have been any against some
of the others who have been around.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
But I mean, you hear things like you hear things like, well,
you know, Dwight David Eisenhower was reported to have had
a mistress while he was never a mistress. Yeah, but
I mean, there's a big difference between having a mistress
and being a womanizing pedophile.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I mean, come on, right, So now here's here's what Trump,
in his childish manner, he goes back at Musk, threatening
all of the government contracts that he has.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Right, look at look at that abuse, look at that,
look at that knee jerk reaction to abuse.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
All Right, I don't like you.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
I'm going to use the presidency to destroy all of
those contracts you have or worse yet, he's been using
his power.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
To destroy lots of people and other things. Frankly so, now,
Musk late in the week came out with an endorsement
from Republicans who are thinking quietly about impeachment.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So Musk says, yeah, it's time to get rid of him.
He'll do you no good.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And so I mean, we're yeah, you're wondering, where are
we going to be this.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Time next week? What are we going to be talking about?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
What will be unfolded between now and then.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yeah, that's that's why I jumped in and said, no,
this is important. There's a lot to talk about, and
there's a lot that we're going to be talking about
as a result of it. Because this battle between these
two behemoths is revealing information to the middle and to
the MAGA crowd. People that are hip to how scurrilous
(19:57):
both sides can be are not surprised. They may welcome
the revelation, but it's the undecided, it's the middle ground.
It's the people that don't follow politics, and it's the
MAGA crowd. They're the ones that have great consequence in
terms of opening their eyes to holy only look at
(20:18):
what's going on.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I talked to a friend of mine last night who
was out walking his dog with his wife, who was
a big Trump supporter, a mega guy, and he volunteered
to me. He knows what my background is, certainly knows
how I made my living the last sixty years, and
so under the circumstances, he is happy to conduct a
(20:41):
talk show with me.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I'm in my truck driving through.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
One of the streets and he's walking his dog and
he says, ah, so what do you think about this?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And he starts to laugh, and you know.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
They still think the hardcore members of the group still
think that he's going to be fine and it's going
to be fined. Newsflash, folks, He's not going to be
fine and it's not going to be fine. It's the
Trump situation is getting worse, and it's for me. And
I don't say this because I think it's good for
(21:15):
I think it's good for anybody, good for the country. Mostly,
I think he's done. I think he has he has
shot his wad. If you will I think that there.
I mean, there are may be many more things he
could do, but in the meantime, the idea of doing
what he was doing economically, which is part of what
we're talking about this week, the national debt, the debt ceiling, people,
(21:39):
small businesses that can't get loans, that are going out
of business, right and left, and the people say, oh, no,
that's not really true.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I can tell you I know half a dozen people
that are my colleagues and various small businesses who are done.
And so as that rolls out, that's going to be
Those are the people. Also, many of them are magas,
and they're the ones who supported and they are pulling
out left and right. I didn't say it's good. I
(22:08):
didn't say I liked it, But that's the reality.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
M Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
And the election is the common congressional election. That's where
that's where you know what's going to hit the fan
as I mean, But well, I I think that awareness
is very important. And what you talked about you think
that it's over. I think that this whole Musk Trump feud,
(22:34):
you know, is in fact a tipping point in that
progress in terms of Trump finished.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And then you look at the Democrats. What are the
Democrats doing to sort of take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Nothing?
Speaker 5 (22:50):
They're finished too, nothing. You know, They're not the remedy
to the problem. America's, America's media, and America's electorate have
got to come to the realization that just because one
side is bad doesn't mean the other side is good.
And the lesser of two evils doesn't always work. And
that's why we're facing a crisis constitutionally, but even deeper morally.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
So ok.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
And to add to how the tipping, how the scale
is tipping. The administration was told to bring back a
wrongly deported migrant. The judge ordered it, and they I
don't want to use the word well, I guess I've
used the word acquiesce. They haven't challenged it because there's
too many fires now and so these individual cases that
(23:38):
we're wrong to begin with, and no matter how you
look at it, the objective side of many of these
contested deportations, I'm all for deporting anybody.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Who is not a good citizen.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And that's you see all of this drama continuing to
play out all over the.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Place, but especially here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You and I have seen lots of it this past week,
or to wrestling, fighting, clobbering people that supposedly are here illegally,
and then to come around and find out that they
are here illegally. That puts a bad face on the
good work that ICE is doing to get rid of
the people.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
It shouldn't be here.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
This is one of the initiatives that Trump has started,
in my mind, that is most beneficial. But here they
are screwing it up because they're so damned arrogant.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
How about it, Well, their execution stinks and terrible. I mean,
look at the costumes that the I like to they
called the jack booted thugs of the government.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
What they are.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
You know that wearing nighttime goggles during the day to
arrest citizens on San Diego, the citizens put up blockades.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
They won't let them in. People in America, You've got.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
To remember, first of all, how heavily armed America is.
And if suddenly all of that armed America, suddenly it
wakes up and says, wait a second, I wouldn't want
to be on the government side, because America is probably
the most armed country in terms of the citizens per arms.
And if you rile Americans up, you got yourself a
very big problem. And Trump knows that, but I don't
(25:16):
know if he's smart enough to execute it properly. But
does the other thing? Let me just let me just
throw this thought at you. What about the sheer incompetence
of some of the department heads and secretaries that Trumps
has put into power. The reason they put him in
power is because they're the perfect yes men. They'll do
anything He's got yes men.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But I think Kennedy is an exception to that.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I think, well, that's that's your opinion. You'll have to
answer to that. But that's that's neither here nor there.
How about Dan Bongino. You and I knew Dan Bongino
is a colleague in this business, and I would I
would defend the hell out of him, like I defend
the hell out of all of them to have a
freedom of speech and to be sub to criticism. But
(26:01):
I don't have to defend Dan Bongino anymore because Dan
Bongino is not one of us anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
He's one of them.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Did you see did you see his recent appearance on
Fox and Friends? And did you see some of the
things he said where he.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Was he is all about? But the fact that he
was a god.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Yeah, but whinding that he has to go to work.
I actually have to be there at seven point thirty
and I don't get to see my wife.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Until seven o'clock.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Check out on YouTube some of the clips of Bongino
talking about how he didn't expect his job at the
Pentagon to this tough.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
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Speaker 2 (27:21):
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It's all natural, has no dyes in it. It follows
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(27:47):
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Speaker 2 (28:06):
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Speaker 1 (28:08):
This for the rest of the program, but I can't,
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loss dot com for Caltrin. All right, let's continue our
focus on all of these things. We have not talked
(28:32):
about this continuing now war of words between Harvard and
now this week Columbia with the Trump administration. We've touched
on many other things have to do with the economy.
I don't know whether you think we ought to talk
about the Biden Why they're trying to Maybe this is
part of them getting the focus away from them to
(28:52):
talk about Biden. But at this point, I guess, and
this is me as you point out, Michael, why do
we care.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Joe Biden and his actions?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
We're going to investigate they're going to waste taxpayers money,
so they.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Covered up his health.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You think that's a surprise that, as you said earlier,
the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Are done too.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So let's let's talk about a couple of things here
that we haven't touched on that we should in a
matter of moments. Here on the Countdown, the Top Radio Countdown.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
We're counting down what America is talking about. The talk
Radio Countdown show continues the.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Top Radio Countdown.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Michael Harrison and Doug Stefan here continuing our conversation about
the reality of what really affects you and these Medicaid
cuts could affect you, your family, people that you're close to,
and this is part of the I mean, if you
think there are some things that are worth saying, if
(30:01):
that's really the way that you look at it. Republicans
have always been supposedly conservative and for me, meaning the
word conserved means to save. I'm not sure that you're
saving anything here. And what amazes me is that this
stuff still gets put into bills. And what amazes me,
I don't know why I should be amazed, Michael, none
(30:22):
of these people read this stuff. They shirk their responsibility.
It's you know, it's kind of what do we have
for government? We all talk about self governing. We're on
our own here pretty much. We are individually, and.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
We need a RESPONSI media.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
We need a responsible media in an educated public. Those
those are the two problems. Otherwise democracy doesn't work. It
makes us vulnerable to a demagogue. As Steve Wiseman would say,
things are not as bad as they seem their worst, all.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Right, Yeah, yeah, this is a slot where Steve usually is.
But Michael and I are continuing with the items that
we really think.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I mean, I did read something to speaking about Robert
de Niro.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And his thought because he's a very big anti Trump
guy and he's very vocal about it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And you wonder.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Again how it is that people get this angry. Well,
I know people in my family who are the same
on both sides that are and we all know that
it's family versus family sometimes and friend versus friend Ala.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Hello Trump? Does Trump have any friends? I could, I
could sort of.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Know he has no friends, not even among his family,
even his wife, his children know.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
He has.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Everything with him is transactional every end, and his major
his major purpose in life is self gain, self gain,
not our gain, self gain.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah, and that's that's the way it is.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
I mean, this is not me, This is not politically
ideological what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
This is just an observation of nature.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
All right.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So then let's go to the item that is on
the list this week, the Colorado attack and what happened
there and these people, the anger, the hatred that we
see demonstrated on so many different levels. The Republicans hate
the Democrats vice versa. The Jews hate the Muslims or
(32:23):
so many of them. And you know, we go back
to the wars, the Potato wars, the Catholics versus the Protestants.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And you know, why do we eat the killer.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Instinct that people seem to have that maybe is part
of human nature. It's very frustrating for somebody like me
who believes we all should just get along, make life
much better, we live longer and be happier.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
We can't seem to make that happen, Michael, it's not
part of the own condition.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Well again, that also is something that would take us
off course if we got too hung up on it.
We would have a philosophy show or a theology show.
We have a political show and a pop cultural show,
and we deal with We deal with what we deal with.
That's what that's the purpose of this platform is to
oversee what people are talking about in the marketplace of
(33:16):
ideas and share a little insight nudget one way or
the other, so that people listening can get an idea
of the American zeitgeist.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
I guess, to use a.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Fancy word, that isn't that fancy anymore. But but no,
I make no apologies for what we talk about because
sometimes you say, you know, why are we talking about it?
Speaker 6 (33:34):
But we're talking about it because people are talking about it.
That's why we're talking about Its important. It's evidently important.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
This week on Bill Maher's program, he warned that the
voters are leaving in drones are going to come up
with a new party. The Democrats are doomed. I enjoy
watching him, frankly, maybe because we as used to pointed
out earlier, I don't like Kober, but I do like
mar and we watch what we want to watch, and
we like what we you know, what we think people
(34:03):
who agree with is like I keep talking about Cuomo
on TV.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It's just it's all about where it's at.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
I guess much. You're evolving.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
That's why.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
You're You're evolving into the the the the everyman fan
as opposed to the objective commentator.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
And that's okay as a role.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
But I'm I'm I'm reacting to you as such because
I'm clinging to the original mission.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
As difficult as it is right now, I'm right.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
I mean, it's difficult that it's tough to do what
we're doing, especially when we don't know who's listening. We
are not targeting what we're saying to please the ideology
or to give a shot of dopamine to any particular
target audience, which is the way most of the media is.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Which makes all right.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Our task is done for this week. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
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