July 25, 2025 • 37 mins
7/26/25 - The Epstein Files Top This Week's List
Host Doug Stephan along with Michael Harrison, Editor/Publisher of Talkers Magazine, review the most talked about stories and people on news/talk radio for the week of July 21st, 2025 through July 25th, 2025. Compiled by the research department at Talkers Magazine - The Bible of Talk Radio and the New Talk Media - www.talkers.com
STORIES
Host Doug Stephan along with Michael Harrison, Editor/Publisher of Talkers Magazine, review the most talked about stories and people on news/talk radio for the week of July 21st, 2025 through July 25th, 2025. Compiled by the research department at Talkers Magazine - The Bible of Talk Radio and the New Talk Media - www.talkers.com
STORIES
- The Epstein Files
- The Economy / Trump vs Powell
- Trump Negotiates with Colleges
- U.S.-Japan Tariff Deal
- Gaza Violence-Food Crisis
- House Approves “Golden Dome” Funding
- ICE Raids
- Coldplay Couple
- Extreme Weather
- Ozzy Osbourne/Malcom Jamal Warner/Hulk Hogan/Chuck Mangione Deaths
- Donald Trump
- Jeffrey Epstein
- Ghislaine Maxwell
- Jerome Powell
- Mike Johnson
- Scott Bessent
- Marco Rubio
- Andy Byron / Kristin Cabot
- Ozzy Osbourne/Malcolm Jamal Warner
- Hulk Hogan/Chuck Mangione
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Michael Harrison is the editor and publisher of Talkers magazine.
The entire field of news talk, the coverage from radio
(01:41):
to television to podcasts. As a matter of fact, there's
an excellent podcast, up Close and Far Out, that Michael
has done with Sean Hannity that you might want to
check out at up Close and Far Out. Over the years,
You've done a number of podcasts and sometimes think I
mix my metaphors with the podcast, But if I'm not mistaken,
(02:05):
it's up close and far out.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Where yeah, we jumped the end, it's now up close,
far out, and that's our video podcast. I've been on
hiatus for the Michael Harrison Interview, which is with podcast one.
All of them are still up there, but I haven't
done one in a while, and that's just because of
scheduling and frankly, I had a couple of health issues
(02:31):
over the spring and summer, so now we're getting back
into our normal routine. But I had such a high
level of content that we were creating every week that
we had to back off a little bit, you could
you could really sync in the work of podcasting.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's very demanding.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
The fact that Sean is the number one person on
the heavy hundred that's listened to a talkers dot com.
The idea that he've been around law as he has
got I can remember him whether he was a kid.
You can come and ask, hey, how do you do
how do you do this? And what do we do
to do that? And now look at his success, So
what do you get from him in terms of before
(03:14):
we go through the stories and the people. I think
this is perhaps one of the most important things and
interesting things we can talk about, is what Sean had
to say about what we all know Sean's interests are
and where he's come, if at all. Is he different
in his attitude toward President Trump because he's a.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
High level I didn't talk to him about that. I
don't talk to Sean about politics, and you know, I
only the only one I really talked to about politics
ever ever, in terms of really getting into it, is
you on this show.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
The people who hear me on this shut.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
No, seriously, I know I try to avoid talking about politics.
I'm on the radio, I'm no, but you're you're a
talk show host. I'm more of a talk show special guest,
sidekick or a go to guy.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And we built talkers on not being in the fray,
being above the fray or outside the fray. So when
I talked to somebody like Sean over the years, I
talked to him about everything but politics, which is what
people find interesting because he's known as a political figure.
Sean has a new podcast, and he has a new
show on Fox Nation, which is a paid streaming service,
(04:28):
and it's called Wanted Dead or Alive Outlaws, And basically
it's a series of specials about the bank robbers and
the bootleggers and the murderers and the gangsters one hundred
years ago in the Roaring twenties and the depression years.
(04:50):
And it's fascinating. So we talk about that. He does
talk about his early days. He talks about his early
encounters with me. I was one of his mentors and
champion in the old days. And you get to see
a side of Sean Hannity a lot of people don't know,
and that is he's interested. He's interested in doing other
things besides politics, and he's been interviewing people like Sylvester Stallone,
(05:13):
Stephen A.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Smith. He's having a good time. Plus he's still doing
what he does.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
He's at the peak of his career, and his career
is at the peak of two basic areas of the media,
and that is television and radio. He's quite asong.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
It's always been one of the smartest people that I
can remember coming down the pike because he was a
great student. He listened, he learned, he heard and used
some of the things in a healthy way to project
himself into a certain demographic. And he has stayed firmly
on top of that demographic. And he knows and he
(05:49):
has survived.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, he survived assaults by other people at Fox. He
survived Tucker Carlson, he survived. I mean he he's a survivor.
He just went past the thirty year mark. Thirty years
at Fox. Think about that. That's amazing thirty years.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, it is. You know. One of the things we
might bring into the conversation after we actually go through
the charts is taking what he's done to look through
the last hundred years of crooks in a manner speaking
and talk about how if we were to fast forward
to today, what's around where what's the modern day crook
(06:32):
look like? And then I'm not talking about somebody that
holds up a bank. I'm talking about somebody. There's so
much stuff that's available now for a corruption to be
involved in. It might be interesting to kind of take
a couple of examples.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
And actually, this week.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Your guest, your guest, your regular guest that follows me
on this program, Attorney Stephen JJ. Wiseman is the nation's
leading expert on that very question. The modern crook is
scam aside dot com and his specialty and scams and cons.
Oh yeah, I would bring that up with Steve Wiseman.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
What is the modern day crook?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
You know, great idea. Yes, we'll do that, all right.
So let's get to the story list and the people list.
That's the first time I can remember we didn't start
with that, but I thought the Sean Hannity thing on.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
The top of my mind. You go justify yourselfe It's okay.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You don't have to anyway. Let's go, all right.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Number ten on the story survey, we have the deaths
of Ozzy Osbourne, Malcolm Jamal Warner, Hulk Hogan and Chunk
banshe Own.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Oh my gosh. Number nine, we have extreme weather.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's been a bad week for celebrity deaths.
Extreme weather is at number nine. Number eight the Coldplay couple.
I You're gotta be careful in an era of cameras
if you're going to go out and have a schmoozy
little affair. Yes, the ice raids are at number seven.
(08:07):
The number six is the House approves the Golden Dome
funding the Golden Dome. At number five, Military Industrial Complex.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
In a golden Dome, I could see them cranking it
out like the Superdome.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Hell, there's a nuclear tack. Let's roll out the dome.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
At number five, we have Gods of violence and a
food crisis. At number four, we have US Japan tariff deal.
At number three, Trump negotiates with colleges. At number two
the economy and Trump versus Powell. And at number one
the Big Story, and that's the Epstein Files. On the
(08:47):
people survey, we have an interesting variety of characters. We
have Hulk Hogan and Chuck Mangi on at ten. We
have at number nine Ozsi and Malcolm Jamal Warner at
number eight. We have the Coldplay couple, the Andy Byron
and Kristen Cabot. They're famous for a day. Marco Rubio
at seven, Scott Dissent Are Bissant at number six, Treasury
(09:09):
Guy Mike Johnson at five, the House of Representatives Guy
Jerome Powell at number four, the Federal Reserve guy Gislane
or however hell she pronounces her name, everybody does it differently. Maxwell,
she's the pedophile guy. Jeffrey Epstein at number two. He's famous,
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and the number one is Donald Trump. Jeffrey Epstein famous
beyond the grave.
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All right, so Michael, let's talk about I'm very intrigued
with the Sean. I think I haven't had time to
(12:04):
listen to it yet, but the idea of being a crook,
the idea of corruption. If we look at the top
ten stories of the week, we can pull corruption out
of almost everything except the deaths of Ozzy Osbourne and
Malcolm Jamal Warner and Hall Cogan and Chuck ma and
jun I don't know there's anything with the rest of it.
(12:27):
There's a certain amount of corruption attached to most of
the things here, and I wonder how many people recognize that.
Let's hope I, for one, I want to hear a
discussion from us frankly about the corruption like the Golden
Dome and the military industrial complex and good Lord and
the fact that Trump is Trump everywhere he goes. He
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wants to be the person who is the guy making
the deal And is there what's involved in that the airplane?
Is that corruption? I think golf courses he's playing at
in Scotland this weekend, you know all that's anyway, will
continue hold on on.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
The subject the subject of corruption with Trump. That that's
one of the main topics that come out of everything
with Trump.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Right, so we were we've kind of threaded in corruption here.
It doesn't make an interference where you go. It isn't
just h Trump, but all the other things that are
part of For example, number five this week is the
food situation that people starving in gaza. Enough is enough already.
(13:33):
I get that the and the Israels are right to
protect themselves and want to get rid of all of
the potential problems that they could see coming down the pike.
But there's got to be some way to in terms
of their own pr if nothing else, to take the
kids out of the equation, because that's where it looks bad.
(13:56):
It looks the kids aren't, well, maybe they are. I
don't know, maybe the ten year old kids are up
and I'm guns they did that in Afghanistan. What do
you think, Michael, is that a situation?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well, if you're driving towards the idea that corruption infiltrates
saw the topics, there's a tremendous amount of corruption involved
in the stuff that's being talked about on talk radio.
In other words, there's a lot of corruption in the news.
But I mean, the Epstein files is the number one story.
And what's more corrupt than pedophilia and a ring of
multi millionaires and billionaires being involved in such a thing,
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including the President of the United States. I mean, you
can't get more corrupt than that. That's and that's just
for starters, and.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Then trying to hide it or cover it up the
way they been very clumsy about.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
That blomen on Obama.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, that's embarrassing, but a lot of people do it, seriously,
a lot of a lot of people. Trump's distractions work
to a certain degree. How they're going to work this
time around, I don't know. But the whole Trump Epstein
story right there, there's there's a pile of stinking, steamy corruption,
you know. I mean, whether whether anybody is guilty or
(15:04):
innocent is another issue. The fact that we're talking about
it involves corruption. But there's tremendous corruption in the economy. Uh,
there's tremendous corruption involved in terms of the college controversies
that Trump has inserted himself into, the gods of thing
as you mentioned, the Golden Dome funding and the military
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industrial complex is corruption. Even the coldplay couple people having
an affair and then being spied upon by the cameras
at a stadium that caught them on the kissotron.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Or whatever the heck they have crazy, that's corruption.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
My play on that one is I don't know that much.
I've read into her and I've read into him, and
they're the typical responses. Oh, they cheated on their husband
and their wife. There's a reason that people cheat, and
oftentimes it has to do with whether they're happy or not.
This lady, I'm not going to make a judgment on
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her or him. I looked at the two of them
in those pictures and they look pretty happy to me.
And if you're happy, more power to you. If in fact,
you're not getting happiness at home from your circumstance. Maybe
your husband's the nicest guy in the world. That doesn't
mean he makes you happy or you're happy with him,
and vice versa. If your wife is most wonderful. There's
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nothing that says that people that they're with are bad.
They're just after time, you know it just time marches on,
and so do people's ideas about what it is that
makes them happy.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I don't believe we're in judge not lest you be
judged so exactly, Hello ding ding ding.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Well, but that but were our country is full of
world is full of people who are judgmental, and it's
you know, I want.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
To bring back the days of Doc Martin on PBS.
Have you seen some of the specials that he has
done on animals and stuff on PBS? Martin Martin, Martin Martin,
what's his last name? He was the star of Doc
Martin anyway too. That's the that's what we should all
aim for, that right at peace and quiet and wonderful thoughts. Okay,
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So we're here's to discuss what's going on from hopefully
an open point of view, although some of you who
(18:36):
are o MAGA folks may not like some of the
things that we have to say. But let's look at
things objectively. Trump doesn't look at things objectively, and many
of the folks who omga don't look at things. Maybe
you can say, well, you're looking very objectively either. Is
there any such thing as objectivity anymore? That's part of
what Michael is bringing up in the theme here of
(18:56):
corruption through the stories, look at the the uh. I
do want to talk about Ozzy Osbourne and Malcolm, I
want to talk about Ozzy Osbourne from your experience, because
I know you've had some given your radio years. But
the first thing is I look at some of the
other items of interest here that we're focusing on the
(19:16):
business of what Donald Trump has managed through his genius,
because that's what he is, his genius to pretty much
insert him in every single thing that's happening in our
country and pretty much around the world. Never has there
been anybody in my lifetime anyway who has inserted himself
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into everything. For example, it was up to the Trump
administration in a secondhanded way to okay, a merger between
Paramount Studios, which is CBS and sky Dance, which is
an up and coming player. The big eaten up by
the small. And they have cured a lot of commitments
(20:01):
for eight billion dollars. The Redstone family will come out
of it with about half of that. And so but
look at what along the way has happened to programming,
Like the most recent is the Late night cancelation. You
don't think that had something to do with his deal?
Of course it didn't, and it was Trump through the
whole thing. He doesn't like Stephen Colbert, so let's get
(20:23):
rid of him. And you can't have your approval until
you get rid of him. So what they do they
get rid of them. How corrupt is that?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, it's very concerning, and it plays out right before
everybody's eyes.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, and that's the way it is. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It is various forms, various forms of corruption. You were
touching on a lot of topics in the last couple
of minutes, and you asked.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
About objectivity, subjectivity.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
And subjectivity I think is intention everybody is, everything is
subjective to one thing or another based on our experiences.
But if you go into a broadcast, or you publish
a newspaper, you create a television show, and it is
your intention to deceive, then you are corrupt. If it's
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your intention to do what you think is right and
to tell the truth, and maybe you're wrong as opposed
to deceptive, then it's not necessarily corruption. It's just shoddy
journalism or bad reporting. And so it's the intention, in
my opinion, that separates corruption from just shoddy broadcasting or
media work.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So is there intention involved in most of this stuff?
Let's not even go down the political stone. Let's go
down the road of macquaan and his wife and that
woman I've never heard of her before. She says that
mccrone's wife is a man and she had sex transplant
operations or whatever. When these people come up with this
(22:04):
stuff and so this has caused a big hubbub all
week long, and this guy's suing this woman again, I
don't even know who she is. Do you know, have
you ever heard this woman what's her name? That did
the came out in a podcast and said, hey, look
at mccron's wife, you're not really a woman. And after all,
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and they sued her for billions and it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
There are people that have been saying that about Michelle Obama.
If you if you look at Michelle Obama and her gender,
there's tons of articles and YouTube videos and allegations that
she is a a trans woman or man or whatever
it is.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And of course they.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Come up to them, well they come up with it
out of the headlines. We're obsessed with transsexualism. I mean,
that's part of what's in the news. So you know,
it's but I you know, if the French want to
bury their heads in a scandal about whether or not
Macron's wife is a man, and here in America we're
(23:10):
burying our heads in the Epstein files, which I can understand.
Why look at all the stuff going on in the
world that we don't talk about, Like, what the heck
ever happened to the fact that just a few weeks
ago we bombed Iran? Did that ever happen? We bombed Iran?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Where is that?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Why has nothing happened as a result of that? Did
we really bomb Iran?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Could I should? I still theory?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, But see this goes back to all these people
that are talking about we're in thirty thirty one trillion
dollars in the hole when Bill Clinton left office. Like
him or not, whether he was in the Epstein file
or not, he managed the country well. We had no debt,
zero debt when he left office, and when George Bush
came in is zero dead. The first of the thirty
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trillion dollars were in the hole for was in the
event of the war with Iran. As you're talking about
dropping bombs on the United States of America borrowed three
trillion dollars to bomb the hell out of Iran. When
there was no there was nothing. We just followed, like
we're following trumble, We followed leaders. I got to tell
(24:23):
you a story that is so troubling to me. My
town of Framingham, Massachusetts. The public the parks department hires
summer interns. They hire high school seniors or they will
be seniors juniors to work. It's usually half a dozen
of them every year to work on buildings and grounds
and taking care of the grass, you know, stuff like
(24:45):
that in the park department's supposed to do. So this
kid gets laid off this week because he goes around
a parking lot and draws swastikas on the cars in
the parking lot, and before he's caught he is he's
directing traffic at an event and he has people back
(25:08):
up and he does the Hyle Hitlers salute as the
cars back up. This seventeen year old kid is doing
Hyle Hitler and he also posted something online suggesting there
was no Holocaust. Where the hell does a seventeen year
old come up with that? Well, have you ever heard
of anything like that?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Holocaust denihilism?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
The researcher a seventeen year old kid, who's yeah, because
plenty of denialism.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
We've all counted that seventeen years old is in a
generation that has very limited connection personally or otherwise.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
To the Holocaust.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
World War Two to guys like us, happened, you know,
right before we were born and we grew up with
movies and talk and discussion.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It was recent.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I mean, it's one hundred years ago, for crying out loud,
the rise of Nazism and a seventeen year old born
in this environment, a different culture, different media environment.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Of course, that is a different perspective on it.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It doesn't necessarily have relatives that died in the Holocaust
or relatives that died serving their country in a war
that was existential in the correct use of the term, We're.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
In the future. We're way into the future.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And the fact that we don't know history in this
country on the level that we need to to run
an effective democracy is the heart of the problem. And
that's why a seventeen year old would be so disgusting
in terms of his sheer ignorance and then maybe just
his sheer evilness.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
We don't know. We don't know that.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
We don't know whether the kid is just a victim
of ignorance or he's a victim of being an evil
son of a you know what, We don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
No, all right, let's go back to Ozzy Osbourne. What
a sad week. The Hulkster is gone. I mean, there's
lots of cardivers here here. It comes out of the woodwork.
The guy's passed. He's gone, he died. So the people
who were his detractors, mostly the anti trumpers, have pulled
out all of this stuff about what everyone on during
his life. The man's dead. Leave it alone. What good
(27:25):
now does it do in this circumstance. I mean, it
probably could find out anything about any of us during
our lives. None of us are perfect, but I wanted
to more call on you in your rock roots and
Ozzy Osbourne, what can you tell us about him that
the average person may not know?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Ozzy Osbourne was an actor. He was playing the part
of a monster, of the Prince of Darkness. He actually
although in the seventies he was an alcoholic and a
drug addict and guilty of doing a lot of anti
social being behavior both on and off stage, he sought
redemption and lived it for the rest of his life.
(28:08):
He became a good guy. He became a really good guy,
and that's due to his wife, who took over his
career as a manager. She was a music industry executive
kind of a that became a power couple. He did
the talent, sheet did the business, and he became a
good guy. And basically, I have an interview that we
(28:30):
just posted that I conducted with Ozzie in nineteen eighty three,
a forty two year old interview with the interview.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
And I'd love you in fact that you kept it.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I have we have archives, how hundreds and hundreds of
hours that go back decades, decades and decades, and it's
at talkers dot com. People can go to talkers dot
Com and in it, Ozzie basically tells me that he
wants to be like Vincent Price. He wants to be
looked at as an actor where he plays this role
and gets the kids all excited.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
But he's not at all advocating devil.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Worship or being a monster or any anti social behavior.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
It's just eventing.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
And he says, you know, actors like Christopher Lee and
Vincent Price, you know, those are the names that we
were talking about forty two years ago, that these guys
are looked at as, you know, respectable citizens who play
the part of monsters. But nobody thinks of them that way.
But because you know, he's in this field of rock
and roll where you're you're on stage persona and you're
(29:31):
off stage persona kind of overlap. People don't know where
the real guy begins and the fake guy ends. It's
it's it's kind of problematic for them. And that's that
was his feeling then, and that was his feeling all
the way.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
To the end.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
From what I understood, he was a He was a gentleman.
And I'm personally devastated about his loss because I've always
felt a certain a certain closeness to Ozzy Osbourne based
upon my days when I would talk to rock stars
as readily as I would talk to politicians or people
in the media about media. So Ozzie was a good guy.
(30:06):
The other thing people should know about Ozzy Osbourne is.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
He was big, big, big, big class of his own.
I mean, he sold out Arenas.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
His impact on the genre of heavy metal, which is
a major rock and roll genre, is you know.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
There's no limit to it.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
He's tremendously unique and influential on rock history and rock music.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
So there you go, that's Ozzie. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, And then you think about the Hulkster.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And another case of another case where in World Wrestling
Federation or Entertainment as they changed the name wrestlers, also
part of their personality is the show, and part of
their personality is the real guy. He was kind of
the hulk on and off the stage thing.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah yeah, all right, So the passing of Chuck Mangioni,
I would like to end this segment with the probably,
if not the most popular tune that he ever recorded instrumentally,
certainly one of them. But here's a guy that was
very instrumental. Again during our era, of being on the radio.
I remember playing his music as a jock in the seventies.
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It was something. It was so inspiring listening to his music.
So we'll go out of this segment with the Chuck MANGIONI.
It's the talk radio Countdown show. Lots to talk about
as usual here Doug, Stephen and Michael Harrison Countdown, and
(32:12):
so it does with Stephen JJ Wiseman, who is our
attorney here on the Countdown, joins us every week at
this time with an overview of the legal aspects. And
Michael Harrison and I spent a good deal of time
during this episode of the talk radio review, Steve talking
about corruption and how as we went through the files
(32:33):
this week, the stories this corruption attached to pretty much
everything from one to seven. And so I was thinking
about Scamocide, which is the website that you have put
together as a public service for years has been helping
people through personal corruption. But look at the modern crooks
(32:55):
that are apart. I just I was talking to I
don't know if I did this on the air off
the air, Bob have to remind me. I think I
said something about it to Michael Harrison just at the
end this ninety nine million dollar wine scam that was
put together and fooled one hundred big time investors. That
was wine that was rebottled, repurposed, that was allful air.
(33:18):
That wasn't there. It was out there. Okay. So anyway,
that's one of the stories this week. It didn't make
it to the top ten, but it certainly is an
example of how corrupt every place you look, I mean,
the government, business, personal lives, the corruption is rampant. The
modern crooks got nothing on the old timers, right, I don't.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Know, the old timers are probably saying, you know, it's
like I used to teach in the state prison system
in Massachusetts and they looked at you know, the modern
day crooks outside and the scammers and the hackers and
the identity of thieves and what they could do with
computers now and said, God, when we did it, it
took talent. Now anybody can do it. And yeah, it's pervasive.
(34:06):
It's so pervasive. And you know, I put a lot
of this, put a lot of this on the political
system and particularly you know, you look, you know, Mark
Twain said, there's no Native American criminal class unless you
consider Congress. Congress has totally rolled over to the president
who's been allowed to do whatever he wants, violating ethics
(34:30):
all over the place for his own, you know, personal profit.
And then we even had watchdog agencies that were supposed
to be free of politics, to be able to keep
rain on various government institutions, and he's taken those out.
And then you've got big tech and big tech with
(34:50):
their secret algorithms control what we see and think. And
quite frankly, that's where I take it down to media
is how people form their opinions, and particularly social media,
and they're so lightly regulated, if not regulated at all.
They can do whatever they want, and they do it
(35:10):
for profit, whether it's going to serve as misinformation and disinformation,
they don't care. The public votes based on that, and
the politicians do whatever they need to just stay in power.
So outside of that, mishis Lincoln. Did you enjoy the play?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Oh my god. So let's take one example of this.
This week, Columbia University agreed to pay the federal government
hundreds of millions of dollars so that they could go
back to getting government aid. How much money is involved
in this stuff. I think the average person doesn't realize
how big the numbers are with some of these bigger universities,
(35:51):
the private universities more certainly than the public university. But
Columbia made a two hundred and twenty million dollar deal
with Trump. That isn't corruption. I don't know what the
hell is.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Yeah, and they made a money decision, you know. And
that's what it comes down to it.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Not to say that what they were doing was right,
because I think what they were doing, well, a lot
of these colleges are doing is wrong. But the power
of the tongue or the sword or the position or
whatever it is. And yeah, that's the thing that seems
kind of.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Yeah, the interference with the interperience with higher education go
along the lines of what the president wants. But as
you pointed out, the money the colleges make is through
hundreds of millions of dollars of grants, and if you
control that, they will jump through whatever hoops you want.
And that's the big problem right now.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
So how come it cost so much to send a
kid to school? If the taxpayers I mean think about that.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Too, Yeah, be my huge salary A Bentley.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yes, that's probably what it is. Yes, we'll have to
speak to you about that Stephen JJ Wiseman, Attorney Law.
We know we should save some time for next episode
of talk about Epstein and Bill Clinton and oh yeah,
all the rest of them as well. All right, so
there we have it and overview what's going on a
little legal tingle for us here on the Talk Radio
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Don't stop talking, don't stop share, can't do it, can't
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Michael Harrison is the editor and publisher of Talkers magazine.
The entire field of news talk, the coverage from radio
(01:41):
to television to podcasts. As a matter of fact, there's
an excellent podcast, up Close and Far Out, that Michael
has done with Sean Hannity that you might want to
check out at up Close and Far Out. Over the years,
You've done a number of podcasts and sometimes think I
mix my metaphors with the podcast, But if I'm not mistaken,
(02:05):
it's up close and far out.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Where yeah, we jumped the end, it's now up close,
far out, and that's our video podcast. I've been on
hiatus for the Michael Harrison Interview, which is with podcast one.
All of them are still up there, but I haven't
done one in a while, and that's just because of
scheduling and frankly, I had a couple of health issues
(02:31):
over the spring and summer, so now we're getting back
into our normal routine. But I had such a high
level of content that we were creating every week that
we had to back off a little bit, you could
you could really sync in the work of podcasting.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's very demanding.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
The fact that Sean is the number one person on
the heavy hundred that's listened to a talkers dot com.
The idea that he've been around law as he has
got I can remember him whether he was a kid.
You can come and ask, hey, how do you do
how do you do this? And what do we do
to do that? And now look at his success, So
what do you get from him in terms of before
(03:14):
we go through the stories and the people. I think
this is perhaps one of the most important things and
interesting things we can talk about, is what Sean had
to say about what we all know Sean's interests are
and where he's come, if at all. Is he different
in his attitude toward President Trump because he's a.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
High level I didn't talk to him about that. I
don't talk to Sean about politics, and you know, I
only the only one I really talked to about politics
ever ever, in terms of really getting into it, is
you on this show.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
The people who hear me on this shut.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
No, seriously, I know I try to avoid talking about politics.
I'm on the radio, I'm no, but you're you're a
talk show host. I'm more of a talk show special guest,
sidekick or a go to guy.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And we built talkers on not being in the fray,
being above the fray or outside the fray. So when
I talked to somebody like Sean over the years, I
talked to him about everything but politics, which is what
people find interesting because he's known as a political figure.
Sean has a new podcast, and he has a new
show on Fox Nation, which is a paid streaming service,
(04:28):
and it's called Wanted Dead or Alive Outlaws, And basically
it's a series of specials about the bank robbers and
the bootleggers and the murderers and the gangsters one hundred
years ago in the Roaring twenties and the depression years.
(04:50):
And it's fascinating. So we talk about that. He does
talk about his early days. He talks about his early
encounters with me. I was one of his mentors and
champion in the old days. And you get to see
a side of Sean Hannity a lot of people don't know,
and that is he's interested. He's interested in doing other
things besides politics, and he's been interviewing people like Sylvester Stallone,
(05:13):
Stephen A.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Smith. He's having a good time. Plus he's still doing
what he does.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
He's at the peak of his career, and his career
is at the peak of two basic areas of the media,
and that is television and radio. He's quite asong.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
It's always been one of the smartest people that I
can remember coming down the pike because he was a
great student. He listened, he learned, he heard and used
some of the things in a healthy way to project
himself into a certain demographic. And he has stayed firmly
on top of that demographic. And he knows and he
(05:49):
has survived.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, he survived assaults by other people at Fox. He
survived Tucker Carlson, he survived. I mean he he's a survivor.
He just went past the thirty year mark. Thirty years
at Fox. Think about that. That's amazing thirty years.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, it is. You know. One of the things we
might bring into the conversation after we actually go through
the charts is taking what he's done to look through
the last hundred years of crooks in a manner speaking
and talk about how if we were to fast forward
to today, what's around where what's the modern day crook
(06:32):
look like? And then I'm not talking about somebody that
holds up a bank. I'm talking about somebody. There's so
much stuff that's available now for a corruption to be
involved in. It might be interesting to kind of take
a couple of examples.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
And actually, this week.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Your guest, your guest, your regular guest that follows me
on this program, Attorney Stephen JJ. Wiseman is the nation's
leading expert on that very question. The modern crook is
scam aside dot com and his specialty and scams and cons.
Oh yeah, I would bring that up with Steve Wiseman.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
What is the modern day crook?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
You know, great idea. Yes, we'll do that, all right.
So let's get to the story list and the people list.
That's the first time I can remember we didn't start
with that, but I thought the Sean Hannity thing on.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
The top of my mind. You go justify yourselfe It's okay.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You don't have to anyway. Let's go, all right.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Number ten on the story survey, we have the deaths
of Ozzy Osbourne, Malcolm Jamal Warner, Hulk Hogan and Chunk
banshe Own.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Oh my gosh. Number nine, we have extreme weather.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's been a bad week for celebrity deaths.
Extreme weather is at number nine. Number eight the Coldplay couple.
I You're gotta be careful in an era of cameras
if you're going to go out and have a schmoozy
little affair. Yes, the ice raids are at number seven.
(08:07):
The number six is the House approves the Golden Dome
funding the Golden Dome. At number five, Military Industrial Complex.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
In a golden Dome, I could see them cranking it
out like the Superdome.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Hell, there's a nuclear tack. Let's roll out the dome.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
At number five, we have Gods of violence and a
food crisis. At number four, we have US Japan tariff deal.
At number three, Trump negotiates with colleges. At number two
the economy and Trump versus Powell. And at number one
the Big Story, and that's the Epstein Files. On the
(08:47):
people survey, we have an interesting variety of characters. We
have Hulk Hogan and Chuck Mangi on at ten. We
have at number nine Ozsi and Malcolm Jamal Warner at
number eight. We have the Coldplay couple, the Andy Byron
and Kristen Cabot. They're famous for a day. Marco Rubio
at seven, Scott Dissent Are Bissant at number six, Treasury
(09:09):
Guy Mike Johnson at five, the House of Representatives Guy
Jerome Powell at number four, the Federal Reserve guy Gislane
or however hell she pronounces her name, everybody does it differently. Maxwell,
she's the pedophile guy. Jeffrey Epstein at number two. He's famous,
(09:30):
and the number one is Donald Trump. Jeffrey Epstein famous
beyond the grave.
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All right, so Michael, let's talk about I'm very intrigued
with the Sean. I think I haven't had time to
(12:04):
listen to it yet, but the idea of being a crook,
the idea of corruption. If we look at the top
ten stories of the week, we can pull corruption out
of almost everything except the deaths of Ozzy Osbourne and
Malcolm Jamal Warner and Hall Cogan and Chuck ma and
jun I don't know there's anything with the rest of it.
(12:27):
There's a certain amount of corruption attached to most of
the things here, and I wonder how many people recognize that.
Let's hope I, for one, I want to hear a
discussion from us frankly about the corruption like the Golden
Dome and the military industrial complex and good Lord and
the fact that Trump is Trump everywhere he goes. He
(12:52):
wants to be the person who is the guy making
the deal And is there what's involved in that the airplane?
Is that corruption? I think golf courses he's playing at
in Scotland this weekend, you know all that's anyway, will
continue hold on on.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
The subject the subject of corruption with Trump. That that's
one of the main topics that come out of everything
with Trump.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Right, so we were we've kind of threaded in corruption here.
It doesn't make an interference where you go. It isn't
just h Trump, but all the other things that are
part of For example, number five this week is the
food situation that people starving in gaza. Enough is enough already.
(13:33):
I get that the and the Israels are right to
protect themselves and want to get rid of all of
the potential problems that they could see coming down the pike.
But there's got to be some way to in terms
of their own pr if nothing else, to take the
kids out of the equation, because that's where it looks bad.
(13:56):
It looks the kids aren't, well, maybe they are. I
don't know, maybe the ten year old kids are up
and I'm guns they did that in Afghanistan. What do
you think, Michael, is that a situation?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well, if you're driving towards the idea that corruption infiltrates
saw the topics, there's a tremendous amount of corruption involved
in the stuff that's being talked about on talk radio.
In other words, there's a lot of corruption in the news.
But I mean, the Epstein files is the number one story.
And what's more corrupt than pedophilia and a ring of
multi millionaires and billionaires being involved in such a thing,
(14:28):
including the President of the United States. I mean, you
can't get more corrupt than that. That's and that's just
for starters, and.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Then trying to hide it or cover it up the
way they been very clumsy about.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
That blomen on Obama.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, that's embarrassing, but a lot of people do it, seriously,
a lot of a lot of people. Trump's distractions work
to a certain degree. How they're going to work this
time around, I don't know. But the whole Trump Epstein
story right there, there's there's a pile of stinking, steamy corruption,
you know. I mean, whether whether anybody is guilty or
(15:04):
innocent is another issue. The fact that we're talking about
it involves corruption. But there's tremendous corruption in the economy. Uh,
there's tremendous corruption involved in terms of the college controversies
that Trump has inserted himself into, the gods of thing
as you mentioned, the Golden Dome funding and the military
(15:24):
industrial complex is corruption. Even the coldplay couple people having
an affair and then being spied upon by the cameras
at a stadium that caught them on the kissotron.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Or whatever the heck they have crazy, that's corruption.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
My play on that one is I don't know that much.
I've read into her and I've read into him, and
they're the typical responses. Oh, they cheated on their husband
and their wife. There's a reason that people cheat, and
oftentimes it has to do with whether they're happy or not.
This lady, I'm not going to make a judgment on
(16:01):
her or him. I looked at the two of them
in those pictures and they look pretty happy to me.
And if you're happy, more power to you. If in fact,
you're not getting happiness at home from your circumstance. Maybe
your husband's the nicest guy in the world. That doesn't
mean he makes you happy or you're happy with him,
and vice versa. If your wife is most wonderful. There's
(16:22):
nothing that says that people that they're with are bad.
They're just after time, you know it just time marches on,
and so do people's ideas about what it is that
makes them happy.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I don't believe we're in judge not lest you be
judged so exactly, Hello ding ding ding.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Well, but that but were our country is full of
world is full of people who are judgmental, and it's
you know, I want.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
To bring back the days of Doc Martin on PBS.
Have you seen some of the specials that he has
done on animals and stuff on PBS? Martin Martin, Martin Martin,
what's his last name? He was the star of Doc
Martin anyway too. That's the that's what we should all
aim for, that right at peace and quiet and wonderful thoughts. Okay,
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an open point of view, although some of you who
(18:36):
are o MAGA folks may not like some of the
things that we have to say. But let's look at
things objectively. Trump doesn't look at things objectively, and many
of the folks who omga don't look at things. Maybe
you can say, well, you're looking very objectively either. Is
there any such thing as objectivity anymore? That's part of
what Michael is bringing up in the theme here of
(18:56):
corruption through the stories, look at the the uh. I
do want to talk about Ozzy Osbourne and Malcolm, I
want to talk about Ozzy Osbourne from your experience, because
I know you've had some given your radio years. But
the first thing is I look at some of the
other items of interest here that we're focusing on the
(19:16):
business of what Donald Trump has managed through his genius,
because that's what he is, his genius to pretty much
insert him in every single thing that's happening in our
country and pretty much around the world. Never has there
been anybody in my lifetime anyway who has inserted himself
(19:39):
into everything. For example, it was up to the Trump
administration in a secondhanded way to okay, a merger between
Paramount Studios, which is CBS and sky Dance, which is
an up and coming player. The big eaten up by
the small. And they have cured a lot of commitments
(20:01):
for eight billion dollars. The Redstone family will come out
of it with about half of that. And so but
look at what along the way has happened to programming,
Like the most recent is the Late night cancelation. You
don't think that had something to do with his deal?
Of course it didn't, and it was Trump through the
whole thing. He doesn't like Stephen Colbert, so let's get
(20:23):
rid of him. And you can't have your approval until
you get rid of him. So what they do they
get rid of them. How corrupt is that?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, it's very concerning, and it plays out right before
everybody's eyes.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, and that's the way it is. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It is various forms, various forms of corruption. You were
touching on a lot of topics in the last couple
of minutes, and you asked.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
About objectivity, subjectivity.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
And subjectivity I think is intention everybody is, everything is
subjective to one thing or another based on our experiences.
But if you go into a broadcast, or you publish
a newspaper, you create a television show, and it is
your intention to deceive, then you are corrupt. If it's
(21:22):
your intention to do what you think is right and
to tell the truth, and maybe you're wrong as opposed
to deceptive, then it's not necessarily corruption. It's just shoddy
journalism or bad reporting. And so it's the intention, in
my opinion, that separates corruption from just shoddy broadcasting or
media work.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So is there intention involved in most of this stuff?
Let's not even go down the political stone. Let's go
down the road of macquaan and his wife and that
woman I've never heard of her before. She says that
mccrone's wife is a man and she had sex transplant
operations or whatever. When these people come up with this
(22:04):
stuff and so this has caused a big hubbub all
week long, and this guy's suing this woman again, I
don't even know who she is. Do you know, have
you ever heard this woman what's her name? That did
the came out in a podcast and said, hey, look
at mccron's wife, you're not really a woman. And after all,
(22:25):
and they sued her for billions and it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
There are people that have been saying that about Michelle Obama.
If you if you look at Michelle Obama and her gender,
there's tons of articles and YouTube videos and allegations that
she is a a trans woman or man or whatever
it is.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And of course they.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Come up to them, well they come up with it
out of the headlines. We're obsessed with transsexualism. I mean,
that's part of what's in the news. So you know,
it's but I you know, if the French want to
bury their heads in a scandal about whether or not
Macron's wife is a man, and here in America we're
(23:10):
burying our heads in the Epstein files, which I can understand.
Why look at all the stuff going on in the
world that we don't talk about, Like, what the heck
ever happened to the fact that just a few weeks
ago we bombed Iran? Did that ever happen? We bombed Iran?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Where is that?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Why has nothing happened as a result of that? Did
we really bomb Iran?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Could I should? I still theory?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, But see this goes back to all these people
that are talking about we're in thirty thirty one trillion
dollars in the hole when Bill Clinton left office. Like
him or not, whether he was in the Epstein file
or not, he managed the country well. We had no debt,
zero debt when he left office, and when George Bush
came in is zero dead. The first of the thirty
(24:02):
trillion dollars were in the hole for was in the
event of the war with Iran. As you're talking about
dropping bombs on the United States of America borrowed three
trillion dollars to bomb the hell out of Iran. When
there was no there was nothing. We just followed, like
we're following trumble, We followed leaders. I got to tell
(24:23):
you a story that is so troubling to me. My
town of Framingham, Massachusetts. The public the parks department hires
summer interns. They hire high school seniors or they will
be seniors juniors to work. It's usually half a dozen
of them every year to work on buildings and grounds
and taking care of the grass, you know, stuff like
(24:45):
that in the park department's supposed to do. So this
kid gets laid off this week because he goes around
a parking lot and draws swastikas on the cars in
the parking lot, and before he's caught he is he's
directing traffic at an event and he has people back
(25:08):
up and he does the Hyle Hitlers salute as the
cars back up. This seventeen year old kid is doing
Hyle Hitler and he also posted something online suggesting there
was no Holocaust. Where the hell does a seventeen year
old come up with that? Well, have you ever heard
of anything like that?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Holocaust denihilism?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
The researcher a seventeen year old kid, who's yeah, because
plenty of denialism.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
We've all counted that seventeen years old is in a
generation that has very limited connection personally or otherwise.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
To the Holocaust.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
World War Two to guys like us, happened, you know,
right before we were born and we grew up with
movies and talk and discussion.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It was recent.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I mean, it's one hundred years ago, for crying out loud,
the rise of Nazism and a seventeen year old born
in this environment, a different culture, different media environment.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Of course, that is a different perspective on it.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It doesn't necessarily have relatives that died in the Holocaust
or relatives that died serving their country in a war
that was existential in the correct use of the term, We're.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
In the future. We're way into the future.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And the fact that we don't know history in this
country on the level that we need to to run
an effective democracy is the heart of the problem. And
that's why a seventeen year old would be so disgusting
in terms of his sheer ignorance and then maybe just
his sheer evilness.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
We don't know. We don't know that.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
We don't know whether the kid is just a victim
of ignorance or he's a victim of being an evil
son of a you know what, We don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
No, all right, let's go back to Ozzy Osbourne. What
a sad week. The Hulkster is gone. I mean, there's
lots of cardivers here here. It comes out of the woodwork.
The guy's passed. He's gone, he died. So the people
who were his detractors, mostly the anti trumpers, have pulled
out all of this stuff about what everyone on during
his life. The man's dead. Leave it alone. What good
(27:25):
now does it do in this circumstance. I mean, it
probably could find out anything about any of us during
our lives. None of us are perfect, but I wanted
to more call on you in your rock roots and
Ozzy Osbourne, what can you tell us about him that
the average person may not know?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Ozzy Osbourne was an actor. He was playing the part
of a monster, of the Prince of Darkness. He actually
although in the seventies he was an alcoholic and a
drug addict and guilty of doing a lot of anti
social being behavior both on and off stage, he sought
redemption and lived it for the rest of his life.
(28:08):
He became a good guy. He became a really good guy,
and that's due to his wife, who took over his
career as a manager. She was a music industry executive
kind of a that became a power couple. He did
the talent, sheet did the business, and he became a
good guy. And basically, I have an interview that we
(28:30):
just posted that I conducted with Ozzie in nineteen eighty three,
a forty two year old interview with the interview.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
And I'd love you in fact that you kept it.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I have we have archives, how hundreds and hundreds of
hours that go back decades, decades and decades, and it's
at talkers dot com. People can go to talkers dot
Com and in it, Ozzie basically tells me that he
wants to be like Vincent Price. He wants to be
looked at as an actor where he plays this role
and gets the kids all excited.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
But he's not at all advocating devil.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Worship or being a monster or any anti social behavior.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
It's just eventing.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
And he says, you know, actors like Christopher Lee and
Vincent Price, you know, those are the names that we
were talking about forty two years ago, that these guys
are looked at as, you know, respectable citizens who play
the part of monsters. But nobody thinks of them that way.
But because you know, he's in this field of rock
and roll where you're you're on stage persona and you're
(29:31):
off stage persona kind of overlap. People don't know where
the real guy begins and the fake guy ends. It's
it's it's kind of problematic for them. And that's that
was his feeling then, and that was his feeling all
the way.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
To the end.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
From what I understood, he was a He was a gentleman.
And I'm personally devastated about his loss because I've always
felt a certain a certain closeness to Ozzy Osbourne based
upon my days when I would talk to rock stars
as readily as I would talk to politicians or people
in the media about media. So Ozzie was a good guy.
(30:06):
The other thing people should know about Ozzy Osbourne is.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
He was big, big, big, big class of his own.
I mean, he sold out Arenas.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
His impact on the genre of heavy metal, which is
a major rock and roll genre, is you know.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
There's no limit to it.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
He's tremendously unique and influential on rock history and rock music.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
So there you go, that's Ozzie. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, And then you think about the Hulkster.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And another case of another case where in World Wrestling
Federation or Entertainment as they changed the name wrestlers, also
part of their personality is the show, and part of
their personality is the real guy. He was kind of
the hulk on and off the stage thing.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah yeah, all right, So the passing of Chuck Mangioni,
I would like to end this segment with the probably,
if not the most popular tune that he ever recorded instrumentally,
certainly one of them. But here's a guy that was
very instrumental. Again during our era, of being on the radio.
I remember playing his music as a jock in the seventies.
(31:21):
It was something. It was so inspiring listening to his music.
So we'll go out of this segment with the Chuck MANGIONI.
It's the talk radio Countdown show. Lots to talk about
as usual here Doug, Stephen and Michael Harrison Countdown, and
(32:12):
so it does with Stephen JJ Wiseman, who is our
attorney here on the Countdown, joins us every week at
this time with an overview of the legal aspects. And
Michael Harrison and I spent a good deal of time
during this episode of the talk radio review, Steve talking
about corruption and how as we went through the files
(32:33):
this week, the stories this corruption attached to pretty much
everything from one to seven. And so I was thinking
about Scamocide, which is the website that you have put
together as a public service for years has been helping
people through personal corruption. But look at the modern crooks
(32:55):
that are apart. I just I was talking to I
don't know if I did this on the air off
the air, Bob have to remind me. I think I
said something about it to Michael Harrison just at the
end this ninety nine million dollar wine scam that was
put together and fooled one hundred big time investors. That
was wine that was rebottled, repurposed, that was allful air.
(33:18):
That wasn't there. It was out there. Okay. So anyway,
that's one of the stories this week. It didn't make
it to the top ten, but it certainly is an
example of how corrupt every place you look, I mean,
the government, business, personal lives, the corruption is rampant. The
modern crooks got nothing on the old timers, right, I don't.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Know, the old timers are probably saying, you know, it's
like I used to teach in the state prison system
in Massachusetts and they looked at you know, the modern
day crooks outside and the scammers and the hackers and
the identity of thieves and what they could do with
computers now and said, God, when we did it, it
took talent. Now anybody can do it. And yeah, it's pervasive.
(34:06):
It's so pervasive. And you know, I put a lot
of this, put a lot of this on the political
system and particularly you know, you look, you know, Mark
Twain said, there's no Native American criminal class unless you
consider Congress. Congress has totally rolled over to the president
who's been allowed to do whatever he wants, violating ethics
(34:30):
all over the place for his own, you know, personal profit.
And then we even had watchdog agencies that were supposed
to be free of politics, to be able to keep
rain on various government institutions, and he's taken those out.
And then you've got big tech and big tech with
(34:50):
their secret algorithms control what we see and think. And
quite frankly, that's where I take it down to media
is how people form their opinions, and particularly social media,
and they're so lightly regulated, if not regulated at all.
They can do whatever they want, and they do it
(35:10):
for profit, whether it's going to serve as misinformation and disinformation,
they don't care. The public votes based on that, and
the politicians do whatever they need to just stay in power.
So outside of that, mishis Lincoln. Did you enjoy the play?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Oh my god. So let's take one example of this.
This week, Columbia University agreed to pay the federal government
hundreds of millions of dollars so that they could go
back to getting government aid. How much money is involved
in this stuff. I think the average person doesn't realize
how big the numbers are with some of these bigger universities,
(35:51):
the private universities more certainly than the public university. But
Columbia made a two hundred and twenty million dollar deal
with Trump. That isn't corruption. I don't know what the
hell is.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Yeah, and they made a money decision, you know. And
that's what it comes down to it.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Not to say that what they were doing was right,
because I think what they were doing, well, a lot
of these colleges are doing is wrong. But the power
of the tongue or the sword or the position or
whatever it is. And yeah, that's the thing that seems
kind of.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Yeah, the interference with the interperience with higher education go
along the lines of what the president wants. But as
you pointed out, the money the colleges make is through
hundreds of millions of dollars of grants, and if you
control that, they will jump through whatever hoops you want.
And that's the big problem right now.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
So how come it cost so much to send a
kid to school? If the taxpayers I mean think about that.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Too, Yeah, be my huge salary A Bentley.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yes, that's probably what it is. Yes, we'll have to
speak to you about that Stephen JJ Wiseman, Attorney Law.
We know we should save some time for next episode
of talk about Epstein and Bill Clinton and oh yeah,
all the rest of them as well. All right, so
there we have it and overview what's going on a
little legal tingle for us here on the Talk Radio
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