July 4, 2025 • 34 mins
7/5/25 - The Big Beautiful Bill Tops This Week's List
Host Doug Stephan along with Michael Harrison, Editor/Publisher of Talkers Magazine, review the most talked about stories and people on news/talk radio for the week of June 30th, 2025 through July 4th, 2025. Compiled by the research department at Talkers Magazine - The Bible of Talk Radio and the New Talk Media - www.talkers.com
STORIES
Host Doug Stephan along with Michael Harrison, Editor/Publisher of Talkers Magazine, review the most talked about stories and people on news/talk radio for the week of June 30th, 2025 through July 4th, 2025. Compiled by the research department at Talkers Magazine - The Bible of Talk Radio and the New Talk Media - www.talkers.com
STORIES
- Big, Beautiful Bill
- Trump-Musk Feud
- The Economy / Trump vs Powell
- U.S.-Japan Trade Talks
- Paramount Settles Trump Suit
- Iran Nuclear Capabilities
- Trump Threatens Mamdani
- SCOTUS to Hear Trans Athletes Case
- Israel-Gaza Violence / Trump Stops Weapons to Ukraine
- Kohberger Pleads Guilty
- Donald Trump
- Mike Johnson
- Elon Musk
- Hakeem Jeffries
- Jerome Powell
- Shari Redstone
- Zohran Mamdani
- Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
- Benjamin Netanyahu
- Bryan Kohberger
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Counting Down What America is talking about. Welcome to the
Talk radio Countdown Show.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
All across America and talk radio at the Voices of
Freedom don't stop talking.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, it's time for us to stand up and be patriotic.
I guess that's what we are all doing this weekend.
It's the fourth of July twenty twenty five, or the
fourth of July weekend. This program is broadcast all across
the country on hundreds of radio stations, and it isn't
necessarily at the same spot. It isn't at four o'clock
on Saturday afternoon, but we give it to stations so
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they can err it when they want to. I think, Michael,
I feel somewhat patriotic. The fourth of July is one
of those times.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I think.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
For me, the Fourth of July and Christmas are really
the only things that get me stirred. The President said
a month or so ago, on the occasion of was
the June nineteenth or nineteenth whatever they call that we
have too many holidays, And I agree with them, we
do have too many holidays, but this one is so important,
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and Christmas is everything kind of stops twice a year
in America.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
More here, but Christmas time.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Everything stops all around the world, but in America July
fourth is where we stop. So let's see when you
go through the story list. We have the top ten
stories this week and the people list which one of
them are patriotic?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Which is the most patriot?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Is the big Beautiful Bill the most patriotic story.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Let's find out.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Which from patriotic. That's an interesting take, All right, Well
let's go for number ten. We have Coburger pleads guilty.
At number nine, we have Israel Gaza violence and tie
with Trump stopping the weapons that you're marked for delivery
to Ukraine. At number eight. We have the Supreme Court
to hear the trans Athletes case. At number seven. Trump
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threatens Mom Donnie. At number six, the Iran nuclear capabilities.
Just what can or can.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
They not do?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
At five, we have the Paramount settles the Trump suit,
which concerns me as a advocate of the First Amendment
and free journalism, US trade US Japan trade talks at
number four and number three the economy tied with Trump
versus Powell. He's fighting everybody. At number two, Trump must
viewed sounds like a WrestleMania and then the undertaker goes
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on to take on Hulk Hogan. At number one, we
have the Big Beautiful Bill, Big Beautiful Bill. Then it's
number one. Which ones of those are patriotic? I'm sure
some people think the Big Beautiful Bill is very patriotic,
and then some people feel it's the end of democracy
as we know it. On the people Survey, we have
the aforementioned Brian Coburger at number two, murder Case Benjamin
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Netanyao at number nine, Iatola Ali Kommeni and I think
his name is pronounced different than the Iatola Komene, the
former Iatola that was very talked about.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Seen one seeing them all.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, Zoldran Mom Donnie, who has made quite a stir
in New York politics at number seven, Sherry Redstone at six,
Dron Pallid five, Hakeem Jefferies at four, Elon Musk still
hanging around and squawking, and maybe he's patriotic, I don't know.
At number three, Mike Johnson at number two, and Donald
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Trump the most talked about person. I can recall being
a chronicler of this kind of stuff since I'm a
little kid, I don't remember anybody has talked about as
much for as long as Donald Trump. By the public
oxygen out of the room, you know, I mean, we
used to talk a lot one night his beatles.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, Christley, yep.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Donald Trump is a phenomenon just on the level of
how much people talk about.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Him that's crazy well, and how much he talks about himself,
how much he the thing that's bothering me and a
lot of other people who are middle.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Of the rooters.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I've always been a middle of the router when it
comes to politics actually and parties, although for most of
my life I identified as a Republican until I was
told that I didn't really fit or I was told
that I should change my point of view because I'm
a Rhino, a Republican in name only. The Republican party
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I grew up with it doesn't exist today. The last
remnants are leaving the Senate and the House because they
think for themselves. Donald Trump is becoming a phenom, a
dangerous phenom, I think, more so than some people I
think realize. And so when you look at all of
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these things, you know, Suing Paramount and you said something
about freedom of speech, Paramount is the man company for.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I have to seek CBS, I have to speak out.
I mean, they didn't do anything wrong. It would be
like it'd be like me suing you if Bob K
Productions altered something that I said so that they can
fit it in time, you know for the podcast production
and editing happens in all of this kind of stuff.
Traditionally forever they didn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
My one political bent is freedom of speech. I'd be
I'd be derelict if I didn't point that out.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Sherry Redstone, who's number six on the people list, is
the version who runs Paramount. Her family Summoner Redstone. Her
father controlled the CBS from the painy days. Those who
remember that William Paley started the Columbia Broadcasting System and
so from there it's been very tightly controlled forever. Not
it is a public company, but in name only. Really,
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So we have all of this stuff going on. How
does the president how does he call up and say,
you know, it's like he's threatening everybody. So, mister mom Donnie,
I didn't even know this guy existed until a month ago.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
My daughter in law, who's quite.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Progressive, said we were talking about presidential candidate. She says,
too bad, this guy can't run for president because he's
not native born.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
But he's running in New York.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And then I started to look around and learn a
little bit about him. He's not my cup of tea necessarily,
but he does represent a very strong strain in New
York for sure. Obviously he won the primary, so he's
got some people and a lot of activists and social activists, socialists.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Some people say, we.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Have the Democratic Socialist Party, we have the Democratic Party,
and so Mom Donnie, however, is on the brunt, is
on the end of the.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Receiving line from Trump.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
How the hell can he He's threatened all the big
beautiful bill.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
There's sort of correlation here, Michael.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
He called up people and threatened him and says, you know,
if you don't vote for my bill, I'm going to
get somebody to run against you and you'll be out.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
How does it? And it works?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I mean, look at all the people, three or four
people who are the ones who are on the end,
on the edd, the end of the receiving line of
Trump's threats. People not running for re election because they
don't want to put up with his foolishness. I was
going to say, something else is having an impact. Huh yeah, Well.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's worse than foolishness, so obviously it is. So what
is your question, how does he get away with it?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Or well, specifically, what's his beef with Mom Donnie. I
think that's something that we look at for a moment.
But you know, when you look at how he got
the votes for the bill, it wasn't going to pass,
and then he threatened two or three people in the
Senate and the House, and that's what won the day.
But Danny, for those who you who do not know,
won the primary in New York. He's not a native
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born American, as I said a few minutes ago.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Very popular with.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
The AOC crowd, but obviously digs deeper into the fiber
of New York City anyway.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
And so what's Trump.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Saying, Well, what Trump is saying is that he Trump
wants to control everything. Yeah, Trump wants to be the
Trump Trump actually wants to be. I mean, he wouldn't
argue with this. He wants to be the dictator of
the world. He is cut from the same stock. Now,
whether you agree with his policies or not, as a
separate issue, and whether you think that we need the refreshing,
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you know, it's refreshing to have somebody who speaks his mind.
The issue is the character of the man and the
nature and how he conducts politics, and is the you know,
is the medicine worse than the disease? To what length
will you go to have these policies or his particular
style of approaching American politics effectuated? And some people just
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you know, that's all they care about. They don't realize
the process and who it is is important to character
want symmetry school.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
People don't understand what's going on. It's almost He's a
made for the moment sort of a guy. He wasn't
like this in his first term. He was like to
bludgeon people, but he it wasn't the.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, there were mitigation actors on his staff. He had
people on his staff that pushed him back.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Independence Weekend here on the Talk Radio Review, talking about
what's going on in the world of talk and I
first thought about Independence Hall in Philadelphia when Bob and
I were at WCAU. I remember wandering around in the
city trying to find out it. Never it never felt
like it was the city of brotherly love to me.
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But there were a lot of things that are so
historical there, and certainly Independence Hall, the official birthplace of
the nation. Something to be thinking about going back to
July fourth and seventeen seventy six, where they signed the
declaration or started to sign the declaration anyway, severing our
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ties with England, and then the gathering place for the
first of the state revers there wasn't in Washington.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
It was Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I don't know how many people even know that, or
remember it, or have been taught it. That's one of
the reason never bring it up, Michael. It's one of
the things we're talking about, how little people know about
the history of our country or how our country operates,
and thus we have bred Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
And Donald Trump recently told somebody on video that he's
proud to have the Declaration of Independence on the wall
of his oval office and that it makes him think about,
of course the Civil War, which wouldn't have happened had
he been president. But the Declaration London's had nothing to
do with the Civil War. It was signed like eighty
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years before the Civil War, which is like crazy. So
even the president doesn't know history.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Well, I don't think anybody confuses that. Frankly, even how
well educated he is on some of the things that
he's putting the stress button on, this is an historic
stress test on our democracy, it seems to me, So
I wonder if we should have some insight into the
moment and what the path forward might be.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
We were talking off the air about.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
We're on the air, we talk about and off the
air we talk about the last few months there have
been a stress test on institutions, and then you know
what's going on on the state level. Who has to do,
what to put up with or to try to counter
the things that are being done in the big beautiful.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Bill, for example. Who is affected by that?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But the very fact that people don't know you can find.
There's a lot of information out there, you just have
to know where to look. And some people aren't curious
about that. They're wondered in what their girlfriend did last
night or when she put on her neglige A.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Then you know, whatever is going on, is that sly whatever?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, So anyway, I guess I wonder if you've been
very insightful all the years that I've.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Been working with you doing this program. I think you
have so much.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Insight into what because you run Talker's magazine. That's made
you focused on all of the different elements of our
country and conversation that is so precious and so important.
So I'm happy to step aside for a second to
dig into your mind because insight is very.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Important that this fourth is live. Well.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
We need we need critical thinking, we need abstract reasoning,
and we need we need an understanding of history, and
we need to be able to stop making everything a
team sport. Presidents of the United States are dangerous people,
whether they're Democrats or Republicans. It's a position with awesome power.
It's not an outsider an it's the ultimate insider, no
matter what they say. And that we in the media
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and those of us, and I'm talking to the audience
now that would listen.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
To a show like this.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I mean, just the fact that people are listening to
this shows they're not average worried about their girlfriends negligee,
but they're concerned about what's going on in the bigger picture.
They would be concerned about the state of the process
of freedom, the state of democracy, and not just make
everything a team sport. That if you know, Heaven forbid,
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you say something bad about Donald Trump, you're a rhino
and you're not on the team anymore. We can't function
America that way.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
All across America and talk radio and the voices of
freedom don't.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Stop talking, all right, So we're here to focus on
the stories of big stories this week.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
News talk radio used.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
To be during the fourth of July week and the
Christmas week. We'd say, oh, not too much going on.
The news is kind of slow, and you'd have all
these people on vacation or they'd be in the lazy
host and say, oh, there's not much in the news today.
Let's play a game. You know, it's not the way
it is anymore. I did for thirty six years on
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the radio program called the Good Day Show, and they
used to open the program every hour of it actually
with a good day, happy day stuff, thinking about how
good things were, how we could make things good. I
miss doing that, but I can say to you, happy
fourth of July. It is the fourth of July weekend,
and we are we're deep into the conversation of what
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our country is all about, what do we stand for,
and what do we know in terms of leadership? And
one of the things, you know, people love to blame
others for problems, and playing the blame game never gets anywhere.
It's always I used to have a sign up in
my office focus on fixing the problem, not blame, and
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as the blame doesn't do anything, people who want to
spend so much time in the Trumpers are all about
blame Joe Biden. Joe Biden's not there anymore. So maybe
a lot of things that happened during his regime were
not good.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I'll go along with that.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But he's not here, he's gone. So let's get to
what it is that makes things better. Does the Big
Beautiful Bill make things better? That's number one, number three
the economy on the list this week. The fact that
the jobs report for June is the exact opposite of what.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Many of Trump's critics said would happen. You look at
the not only the.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Jobs report, but you look at the stock market and
it's thriving.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
It's been up and down, to be sure.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
But the government this is I find this very interesting.
The government hired seventy three thousand people in an era
when we're supposed to be laying people off. Did you
know that, Michael, seventy three thousand new workers in June
went to work for the government. I find that fascinating.
When you think about all the hoopla from the Doose.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Days, well, you know, you said, did I know that, Michael,
And I don't know what I know because I have
great doubt about the sources for information that we the
foot line of media, are privy to. We are not
the originators of this information. The people in our sphere,
the news, talk radio and media sphere. We get our
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information from basically the same place as the public gets it,
and as a result, we're subject to distortion, subject to spin,
subject to manipulation, and subject to lies. So I find
people cherry pick whatever factoid they want that fits their
narrative and makes their point, and somehow I don't really
know where these numbers come from. If the very corrupt
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bureaucracy and the very corrupt government that we are finding
fault with is the source of the information to prove
that we should be finding fault, then what we're saying
is the government is telling us truths about how bad
it is. I mean, there's too many contradictions, So I
think the problem lies much deeper than did you know
that the government added jobs? What kind of jobs? How
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much do they pay? What was eliminated? What's the sum
total of the financial health of the population. There's too
many conflicting reports for me to assume anything is true.
And it's not a cop out, it's just the way
I feel. I'm being honest. I have grave doubts about
the verity of most everything we talk about. I think
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it's time for a real overhaul, but not in a
sensational way, in a slow and reasoned way that has
patience and continuity. We need continuity. There's no continuity.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, business about the trans athlete's case, which is number
eight Supreme Court hearing that that's got a lot of
people stirred up. And I don't I'm betting that most
of people are listening. I would admit to this myself.
I don't really understand all of the ins and outs
of this because it has never been clearly defined what
the issue is. It just became a rallying cry for
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the people who like Trump or don't like Trump.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
You know which side you're on.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
In the meantime, how many people, Again, maybe I shouldn't
be asking these questions. This past week, the President went
down to Florida to see At first, I thought, okay,
this is Alligator Alley, which is the road that runs
from Miami to Tampa. It's also called the Tammiami Trail.
And along the road you'll find there's an old air
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Force base that has been vacant, and so the Florida
governor took over that facility and they have made it
into what they call it Ali Eater Alcatraz. And so
they're putting a lot of people, the ice folks or
grabbing people in Florida. So Trump announced when he was
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there he's going to send two hundred Marines to support Ice.
That's against the law. He tried it in California. It's
against the law.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It was even against the law back in ancient Rome,
the Roman Army never was allowed to enter the city
of Rome. The Roman Army was not allowed to be
in the city of Rome because that was considered to
be extremely undemocratic. You're supposed to well whatever, it's just
it's wrong on a level that has nothing to do
with policy. None of these problems, none of these problems
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are great enough to warrant suspending democracy and the tenets
that make America free and America. Are we going to
throw the baby out with the bath water, I mean,
that's what we're talking about. So it's a problem, Yeah, yeah,
because it doesn't mean you're on some of the policies.
You're against the method of dealing with them, and our method,
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our philosophy, our constitution. The word constitution is more important
than any current passing issue. That's the point. Don't throw
the PV out with the bath.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So all of it is.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
We should be talking on the fourth of July. We
should be talking about the fact that fifty four leading oligarchs, politicians,
influencers of the day signed document that basically was against
the odds of winning that if in fact they lost,
which they probably would, would result in their being executed.
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They put their lives on the line. How many people
do you think in the Congress right now would put
their lives on the line, their lives, they will hang
by the neck until dead for the success of a
bill passing or something. I don't think you'd find one
fifty four. I think it was fifty four. I might
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be off by a number. But they did that. That's miraculous.
We have to do some soul searching about that. And
the other thing is a quick story when at the
end of the war, King George was told that George Washington,
his foe, did not accept the presidency for a third term.
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After the victory came, but stepped out of power voluntarily
and made the way for John Adams to become president.
When he heard that, King George said, if that's true,
then George Washington is the greatest man who ever lived.
King George said that. Think about that, that George Washington
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was the greatest man who ever lived for voluntarily stepping
down from power for the sake of the system. Those
are two stories that I think people should be reminded,
especially on this the one hundred a two hundred and
forty ninth anniversary of the founding of the nation.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeap, it takes your breath away.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I was just gonna say, I can hear your thinking,
which I guess is a good thing. You know, folks,
it's really cool when when the blabbermouths in this format,
including me and Doug, stop in our tracks because we're
actually thinking about it as opposed to throwing off a
quipper or a response for the sake of keeping the
momentum going. I mean, these are things that are that
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we should stop and think about.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
One of the most effective tools in our tool chest
is the pause to think dead ear, which.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
When we were in music radio was prohibited.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But I remember many times, and Bob can attest to
this as well. When I would be on the air
and I'd ask a question, I have a thought and
I just stop and.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I leave them. Let everybody what huh? What did he
just say?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, that's what needs to be addressed.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Lots of problems.
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Speaker 4 (25:45):
A couple of times during the course of the program
this morning.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So far we've talked about the essence of understanding the
world and how we get our understanding. I grew up
listening to the radio. You grew up, Michael, listening to
the radio. The people listening to the program. Any of
them grew up listening to the radio, and so over
the years we've had a focus on what the best
radio was. And you have a fabulous new podcast up
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close and far out talking to the CEO of c
craney Company about the future of the object of the radio.
But how we get how do we receive the signal?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well, well, it's not so much a technical thing of
how we receive the signal, it's what is the future
of this device that we call radio. You know, we
name the we name the medium after the device. You know,
I'm in the radio business, or I grew up listening
to the you know what is the radio business? What
is radio? And you'd never hear in talkers or anywhere
else in our industry discussion about the actual device that
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we call a radio, an AM FM radio. And we
have all kinds of strange new ones that are solar
powered that you have a crank on them in case
the power goes out, you know, because we live in
the age of the Internet and people don't need to
broadcast via radio to get their signal around the world.
Back in the day when you and I were growing up,
radio stations were shackled to the limitations of their signal,
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they could be heard beyond that. That was it. Now
everybody's kind of equal in the Internet. So what is
the role of the radio and what's the role of
this thing called radio? If people are interested in that.
Jessica Crotty is on the cutting line of the cutting
edge of that. She's a CEO of CEA Crane, an
American company that makes and manufactures and distributes radios. And
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you know, questions like why can't you find a radio
when you go to the store and you want to
buy a plane old radio? Where are they? So it's
an interesting conversation. It's a video. It's on YouTube and
to make it easy for the folks to get to
see it, because the people that listen to the show
like this kind of stuff, go to making radios dot com,
making radios dot com, makingradios dot com. Check it out.
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I think you'll find it very enlightening and provocative and original.
There's not much stuff out there.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Like this making radios dot com. Check it out.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Up close and far out with Michael Harrison, I'm Doug Stephan.
This is the talk radio countdown show for the Independence
Day weekend.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Up next, even jj Wiseman with some thoughts on what's
going on.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Legally this past week. On the Countdown, the Top.
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Radio Countdown, we're counting down what America is talking about.
The Talk Radio Countdown show continues.
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Rock part of Illinois.
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A couple of great radio stations that are ministering, if
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Wiseman is here our attorney on the Talk Radio Countdown
show with an overview of a couple of the items that.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Are on the list. The story list.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
This week, we're talking about the week of July fourth,
the weekend and what we are celebrating.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
From the legal point of view.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
We know, we can tell you have a certain bias
and I have a certain bias, and pretty much everybody does.
I think that that sometimes enters into our feelings about
certain issues. But there's one thing that you can't argue about,
and that is what the law says. Even though the
Supreme Court does argue about it. How can there be
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anything other than one interpretation.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Steve, Well, you know, I think legitimately there can be
differences as far as how precise language is. Also with
the laws, whether they evolve to changing standards. You know,
It's even like when defamation laws were first put into effect,
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they really didn't take into consideration what we see on
social media, and as life changes, the laws need to adapt.
But I do tend to agree with you. I think
there is some real basic legal kind of precedents and
precepts that I look at this today's Supreme Court court
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and I just find that often they ignore them. Now
there are other times they surprise me and stand up
for things that aren't necessarily with a political agenda. But
the fact that the courts have become so politicized is
something that very very much concerns me.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Well, let's talk about this case.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Number eight this week on the countdown list is the
trans athletes case, which I dare say most people don't understand,
they don't begin to understand. I don't say that arrogantly.
I will tell you I don't really understand it. So
hearing the case, is it simple? I don't think it's
simple at all?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Is it?
Speaker 8 (31:32):
It isn't. And as a matter of fact, when one
of the courses I teach is sports law, and we
give that as an assignment, you know, there are a
couple of things that come into play. There are certain
athletes that actually have internal testes naturally occurring, so that
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they're going to have a higher testosterone level, and the
sporting authorities have in many instances taken action against them
for something that's naturally occurring. When we get into the
issue of trans athletes, though, these are people that that
change their sex. Generally, if it is a woman going
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to a man, there is no big issue because there's
no big physical advantage. But when a man trans transitions
to a woman, if it's after puberty, there are certain
physical benefits and advantages that they have, and so the
question becomes one for society should they be treated as
a woman, or is this an unfair advantage? And you know, frankly,
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when you look at all the high level athletes, they're
all genetic freaks to a certain extent, and they do
have benefits. But this is one where I think it's
been overly politicized. I mean, there was one of the states,
I forget, put in a big law to protect against
trans athletes when they didn't have a single transathlete in
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the state. So it just becomes a way to further
isolate and alienate people on both sides.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
What do you read into number five this week? The
fact that Paramount decided to settle a suit at Trump's suing,
Why don't we all get together and sue Trump as
that would.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Be no kidding and you could This thing is particularly troubling,
and the media hasn't covered it properly. It wasn't even
a defamation because they knew that wouldn't work, so they
did it for under a consumer protection law for false advertising.
It is a total total outrage, and Paramount just went
along with it in order to not have roadblocks put
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up for a sale that's coming up. It's a terrible,
terrible decision.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yep. Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
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Speaker 6 (01:13):
All across America and talk radio at the Voices of
Freedom don't stop talking.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, it's time for us to stand up and be patriotic.
I guess that's what we are all doing this weekend.
It's the fourth of July twenty twenty five, or the
fourth of July weekend. This program is broadcast all across
the country on hundreds of radio stations, and it isn't
necessarily at the same spot. It isn't at four o'clock
on Saturday afternoon, but we give it to stations so
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they can err it when they want to. I think, Michael,
I feel somewhat patriotic. The fourth of July is one
of those times.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I think.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
For me, the Fourth of July and Christmas are really
the only things that get me stirred. The President said
a month or so ago, on the occasion of was
the June nineteenth or nineteenth whatever they call that we
have too many holidays, And I agree with them, we
do have too many holidays, but this one is so important,
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and Christmas is everything kind of stops twice a year
in America.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
More here, but Christmas time.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Everything stops all around the world, but in America July
fourth is where we stop. So let's see when you
go through the story list. We have the top ten
stories this week and the people list which one of
them are patriotic?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Which is the most patriot?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Is the big Beautiful Bill the most patriotic story.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Let's find out.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Which from patriotic. That's an interesting take, All right, Well
let's go for number ten. We have Coburger pleads guilty.
At number nine, we have Israel Gaza violence and tie
with Trump stopping the weapons that you're marked for delivery
to Ukraine. At number eight. We have the Supreme Court
to hear the trans Athletes case. At number seven. Trump
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threatens Mom Donnie. At number six, the Iran nuclear capabilities.
Just what can or can.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
They not do?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
At five, we have the Paramount settles the Trump suit,
which concerns me as a advocate of the First Amendment
and free journalism, US trade US Japan trade talks at
number four and number three the economy tied with Trump
versus Powell. He's fighting everybody. At number two, Trump must
viewed sounds like a WrestleMania and then the undertaker goes
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on to take on Hulk Hogan. At number one, we
have the Big Beautiful Bill, Big Beautiful Bill. Then it's
number one. Which ones of those are patriotic? I'm sure
some people think the Big Beautiful Bill is very patriotic,
and then some people feel it's the end of democracy
as we know it. On the people Survey, we have
the aforementioned Brian Coburger at number two, murder Case Benjamin
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Netanyao at number nine, Iatola Ali Kommeni and I think
his name is pronounced different than the Iatola Komene, the
former Iatola that was very talked about.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Seen one seeing them all.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, Zoldran Mom Donnie, who has made quite a stir
in New York politics at number seven, Sherry Redstone at six,
Dron Pallid five, Hakeem Jefferies at four, Elon Musk still
hanging around and squawking, and maybe he's patriotic, I don't know.
At number three, Mike Johnson at number two, and Donald
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Trump the most talked about person. I can recall being
a chronicler of this kind of stuff since I'm a
little kid, I don't remember anybody has talked about as
much for as long as Donald Trump. By the public
oxygen out of the room, you know, I mean, we
used to talk a lot one night his beatles.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, Christley, yep.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Donald Trump is a phenomenon just on the level of
how much people talk about.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Him that's crazy well, and how much he talks about himself,
how much he the thing that's bothering me and a
lot of other people who are middle.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Of the rooters.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I've always been a middle of the router when it
comes to politics actually and parties, although for most of
my life I identified as a Republican until I was
told that I didn't really fit or I was told
that I should change my point of view because I'm
a Rhino, a Republican in name only. The Republican party
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I grew up with it doesn't exist today. The last
remnants are leaving the Senate and the House because they
think for themselves. Donald Trump is becoming a phenom, a
dangerous phenom, I think, more so than some people I
think realize. And so when you look at all of
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these things, you know, Suing Paramount and you said something
about freedom of speech, Paramount is the man company for.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I have to seek CBS, I have to speak out.
I mean, they didn't do anything wrong. It would be
like it'd be like me suing you if Bob K
Productions altered something that I said so that they can
fit it in time, you know for the podcast production
and editing happens in all of this kind of stuff.
Traditionally forever they didn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
My one political bent is freedom of speech. I'd be
I'd be derelict if I didn't point that out.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Sherry Redstone, who's number six on the people list, is
the version who runs Paramount. Her family Summoner Redstone. Her
father controlled the CBS from the painy days. Those who
remember that William Paley started the Columbia Broadcasting System and
so from there it's been very tightly controlled forever. Not
it is a public company, but in name only. Really,
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So we have all of this stuff going on. How
does the president how does he call up and say,
you know, it's like he's threatening everybody. So, mister mom Donnie,
I didn't even know this guy existed until a month ago.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
My daughter in law, who's quite.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Progressive, said we were talking about presidential candidate. She says,
too bad, this guy can't run for president because he's
not native born.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
But he's running in New York.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And then I started to look around and learn a
little bit about him. He's not my cup of tea necessarily,
but he does represent a very strong strain in New
York for sure. Obviously he won the primary, so he's
got some people and a lot of activists and social activists, socialists.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Some people say, we.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Have the Democratic Socialist Party, we have the Democratic Party,
and so Mom Donnie, however, is on the brunt, is
on the end of the.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Receiving line from Trump.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
How the hell can he He's threatened all the big
beautiful bill.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
There's sort of correlation here, Michael.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
He called up people and threatened him and says, you know,
if you don't vote for my bill, I'm going to
get somebody to run against you and you'll be out.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
How does it? And it works?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I mean, look at all the people, three or four
people who are the ones who are on the end,
on the edd, the end of the receiving line of
Trump's threats. People not running for re election because they
don't want to put up with his foolishness. I was
going to say, something else is having an impact. Huh yeah, Well.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's worse than foolishness, so obviously it is. So what
is your question, how does he get away with it?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Or well, specifically, what's his beef with Mom Donnie. I
think that's something that we look at for a moment.
But you know, when you look at how he got
the votes for the bill, it wasn't going to pass,
and then he threatened two or three people in the
Senate and the House, and that's what won the day.
But Danny, for those who you who do not know,
won the primary in New York. He's not a native
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born American, as I said a few minutes ago.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Very popular with.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
The AOC crowd, but obviously digs deeper into the fiber
of New York City anyway.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
And so what's Trump.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Saying, Well, what Trump is saying is that he Trump
wants to control everything. Yeah, Trump wants to be the
Trump Trump actually wants to be. I mean, he wouldn't
argue with this. He wants to be the dictator of
the world. He is cut from the same stock. Now,
whether you agree with his policies or not, as a
separate issue, and whether you think that we need the refreshing,
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you know, it's refreshing to have somebody who speaks his mind.
The issue is the character of the man and the
nature and how he conducts politics, and is the you know,
is the medicine worse than the disease? To what length
will you go to have these policies or his particular
style of approaching American politics effectuated? And some people just
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you know, that's all they care about. They don't realize
the process and who it is is important to character
want symmetry school.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
People don't understand what's going on. It's almost He's a
made for the moment sort of a guy. He wasn't
like this in his first term. He was like to
bludgeon people, but he it wasn't the.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, there were mitigation actors on his staff. He had
people on his staff that pushed him back.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Independence Weekend here on the Talk Radio Review, talking about
what's going on in the world of talk and I
first thought about Independence Hall in Philadelphia when Bob and
I were at WCAU. I remember wandering around in the
city trying to find out it. Never it never felt
like it was the city of brotherly love to me.
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But there were a lot of things that are so
historical there, and certainly Independence Hall, the official birthplace of
the nation. Something to be thinking about going back to
July fourth and seventeen seventy six, where they signed the
declaration or started to sign the declaration anyway, severing our
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ties with England, and then the gathering place for the
first of the state revers there wasn't in Washington.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
It was Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I don't know how many people even know that, or
remember it, or have been taught it. That's one of
the reason never bring it up, Michael. It's one of
the things we're talking about, how little people know about
the history of our country or how our country operates,
and thus we have bred Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
And Donald Trump recently told somebody on video that he's
proud to have the Declaration of Independence on the wall
of his oval office and that it makes him think about,
of course the Civil War, which wouldn't have happened had
he been president. But the Declaration London's had nothing to
do with the Civil War. It was signed like eighty
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years before the Civil War, which is like crazy. So
even the president doesn't know history.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Well, I don't think anybody confuses that. Frankly, even how
well educated he is on some of the things that
he's putting the stress button on, this is an historic
stress test on our democracy, it seems to me, So
I wonder if we should have some insight into the
moment and what the path forward might be.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
We were talking off the air about.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
We're on the air, we talk about and off the
air we talk about the last few months there have
been a stress test on institutions, and then you know
what's going on on the state level. Who has to do,
what to put up with or to try to counter
the things that are being done in the big beautiful.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Bill, for example. Who is affected by that?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But the very fact that people don't know you can find.
There's a lot of information out there, you just have
to know where to look. And some people aren't curious
about that. They're wondered in what their girlfriend did last
night or when she put on her neglige A.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Then you know, whatever is going on, is that sly whatever?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, So anyway, I guess I wonder if you've been
very insightful all the years that I've.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Been working with you doing this program. I think you
have so much.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Insight into what because you run Talker's magazine. That's made
you focused on all of the different elements of our
country and conversation that is so precious and so important.
So I'm happy to step aside for a second to
dig into your mind because insight is very.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Important that this fourth is live. Well.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
We need we need critical thinking, we need abstract reasoning,
and we need we need an understanding of history, and
we need to be able to stop making everything a
team sport. Presidents of the United States are dangerous people,
whether they're Democrats or Republicans. It's a position with awesome power.
It's not an outsider an it's the ultimate insider, no
matter what they say. And that we in the media
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and those of us, and I'm talking to the audience
now that would listen.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
To a show like this.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I mean, just the fact that people are listening to
this shows they're not average worried about their girlfriends negligee,
but they're concerned about what's going on in the bigger picture.
They would be concerned about the state of the process
of freedom, the state of democracy, and not just make
everything a team sport. That if you know, Heaven forbid,
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you say something bad about Donald Trump, you're a rhino
and you're not on the team anymore. We can't function
America that way.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
All across America and talk radio and the voices of
freedom don't.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Stop talking, all right, So we're here to focus on
the stories of big stories this week.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
News talk radio used.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
To be during the fourth of July week and the
Christmas week. We'd say, oh, not too much going on.
The news is kind of slow, and you'd have all
these people on vacation or they'd be in the lazy
host and say, oh, there's not much in the news today.
Let's play a game. You know, it's not the way
it is anymore. I did for thirty six years on
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the radio program called the Good Day Show, and they
used to open the program every hour of it actually
with a good day, happy day stuff, thinking about how
good things were, how we could make things good. I
miss doing that, but I can say to you, happy
fourth of July. It is the fourth of July weekend,
and we are we're deep into the conversation of what
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our country is all about, what do we stand for,
and what do we know in terms of leadership? And
one of the things, you know, people love to blame
others for problems, and playing the blame game never gets anywhere.
It's always I used to have a sign up in
my office focus on fixing the problem, not blame, and
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as the blame doesn't do anything, people who want to
spend so much time in the Trumpers are all about
blame Joe Biden. Joe Biden's not there anymore. So maybe
a lot of things that happened during his regime were
not good.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I'll go along with that.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But he's not here, he's gone. So let's get to
what it is that makes things better. Does the Big
Beautiful Bill make things better? That's number one, number three
the economy on the list this week. The fact that
the jobs report for June is the exact opposite of what.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Many of Trump's critics said would happen. You look at
the not only the.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Jobs report, but you look at the stock market and
it's thriving.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
It's been up and down, to be sure.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
But the government this is I find this very interesting.
The government hired seventy three thousand people in an era
when we're supposed to be laying people off. Did you
know that, Michael, seventy three thousand new workers in June
went to work for the government. I find that fascinating.
When you think about all the hoopla from the Doose.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Days, well, you know, you said, did I know that, Michael,
And I don't know what I know because I have
great doubt about the sources for information that we the
foot line of media, are privy to. We are not
the originators of this information. The people in our sphere,
the news, talk radio and media sphere. We get our
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information from basically the same place as the public gets it,
and as a result, we're subject to distortion, subject to spin,
subject to manipulation, and subject to lies. So I find
people cherry pick whatever factoid they want that fits their
narrative and makes their point, and somehow I don't really
know where these numbers come from. If the very corrupt
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bureaucracy and the very corrupt government that we are finding
fault with is the source of the information to prove
that we should be finding fault, then what we're saying
is the government is telling us truths about how bad
it is. I mean, there's too many contradictions, So I
think the problem lies much deeper than did you know
that the government added jobs? What kind of jobs? How
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much do they pay? What was eliminated? What's the sum
total of the financial health of the population. There's too
many conflicting reports for me to assume anything is true.
And it's not a cop out, it's just the way
I feel. I'm being honest. I have grave doubts about
the verity of most everything we talk about. I think
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it's time for a real overhaul, but not in a
sensational way, in a slow and reasoned way that has
patience and continuity. We need continuity. There's no continuity.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, business about the trans athlete's case, which is number
eight Supreme Court hearing that that's got a lot of
people stirred up. And I don't I'm betting that most
of people are listening. I would admit to this myself.
I don't really understand all of the ins and outs
of this because it has never been clearly defined what
the issue is. It just became a rallying cry for
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the people who like Trump or don't like Trump.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
You know which side you're on.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
In the meantime, how many people, Again, maybe I shouldn't
be asking these questions. This past week, the President went
down to Florida to see At first, I thought, okay,
this is Alligator Alley, which is the road that runs
from Miami to Tampa. It's also called the Tammiami Trail.
And along the road you'll find there's an old air
(19:49):
Force base that has been vacant, and so the Florida
governor took over that facility and they have made it
into what they call it Ali Eater Alcatraz. And so
they're putting a lot of people, the ice folks or
grabbing people in Florida. So Trump announced when he was
(20:09):
there he's going to send two hundred Marines to support Ice.
That's against the law. He tried it in California. It's
against the law.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It was even against the law back in ancient Rome,
the Roman Army never was allowed to enter the city
of Rome. The Roman Army was not allowed to be
in the city of Rome because that was considered to
be extremely undemocratic. You're supposed to well whatever, it's just
it's wrong on a level that has nothing to do
with policy. None of these problems, none of these problems
(20:43):
are great enough to warrant suspending democracy and the tenets
that make America free and America. Are we going to
throw the baby out with the bath water, I mean,
that's what we're talking about. So it's a problem, Yeah, yeah,
because it doesn't mean you're on some of the policies.
You're against the method of dealing with them, and our method,
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our philosophy, our constitution. The word constitution is more important
than any current passing issue. That's the point. Don't throw
the PV out with the bath.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So all of it is.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
We should be talking on the fourth of July. We
should be talking about the fact that fifty four leading oligarchs, politicians,
influencers of the day signed document that basically was against
the odds of winning that if in fact they lost,
which they probably would, would result in their being executed.
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They put their lives on the line. How many people
do you think in the Congress right now would put
their lives on the line, their lives, they will hang
by the neck until dead for the success of a
bill passing or something. I don't think you'd find one
fifty four. I think it was fifty four. I might
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be off by a number. But they did that. That's miraculous.
We have to do some soul searching about that. And
the other thing is a quick story when at the
end of the war, King George was told that George Washington,
his foe, did not accept the presidency for a third term.
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After the victory came, but stepped out of power voluntarily
and made the way for John Adams to become president.
When he heard that, King George said, if that's true,
then George Washington is the greatest man who ever lived.
King George said that. Think about that, that George Washington
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was the greatest man who ever lived for voluntarily stepping
down from power for the sake of the system. Those
are two stories that I think people should be reminded,
especially on this the one hundred a two hundred and
forty ninth anniversary of the founding of the nation.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeap, it takes your breath away.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I was just gonna say, I can hear your thinking,
which I guess is a good thing. You know, folks,
it's really cool when when the blabbermouths in this format,
including me and Doug, stop in our tracks because we're
actually thinking about it as opposed to throwing off a
quipper or a response for the sake of keeping the
momentum going. I mean, these are things that are that
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we should stop and think about.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
One of the most effective tools in our tool chest
is the pause to think dead ear, which.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
When we were in music radio was prohibited.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But I remember many times, and Bob can attest to
this as well. When I would be on the air
and I'd ask a question, I have a thought and
I just stop and.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I leave them. Let everybody what huh? What did he
just say?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, that's what needs to be addressed.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Lots of problems.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
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which is superb and something you should pay a lot
of attention to. As you're losing the weight, how are
you going to keep it off? Have you given that thought?
You decide I want to lose the weight, so I'm
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Speaker 4 (24:38):
Good. Okay.
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back again on the talk radio Countdown Show.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
A couple of times during the course of the program
this morning.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So far we've talked about the essence of understanding the
world and how we get our understanding. I grew up
listening to the radio. You grew up, Michael, listening to
the radio. The people listening to the program. Any of
them grew up listening to the radio, and so over
the years we've had a focus on what the best
radio was. And you have a fabulous new podcast up
(26:13):
close and far out talking to the CEO of c
craney Company about the future of the object of the radio.
But how we get how do we receive the signal?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well, well, it's not so much a technical thing of
how we receive the signal, it's what is the future
of this device that we call radio. You know, we
name the we name the medium after the device. You know,
I'm in the radio business, or I grew up listening
to the you know what is the radio business? What
is radio? And you'd never hear in talkers or anywhere
else in our industry discussion about the actual device that
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we call a radio, an AM FM radio. And we
have all kinds of strange new ones that are solar
powered that you have a crank on them in case
the power goes out, you know, because we live in
the age of the Internet and people don't need to
broadcast via radio to get their signal around the world.
Back in the day when you and I were growing up,
radio stations were shackled to the limitations of their signal,
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they could be heard beyond that. That was it. Now
everybody's kind of equal in the Internet. So what is
the role of the radio and what's the role of
this thing called radio? If people are interested in that.
Jessica Crotty is on the cutting line of the cutting
edge of that. She's a CEO of CEA Crane, an
American company that makes and manufactures and distributes radios. And
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you know, questions like why can't you find a radio
when you go to the store and you want to
buy a plane old radio? Where are they? So it's
an interesting conversation. It's a video. It's on YouTube and
to make it easy for the folks to get to
see it, because the people that listen to the show
like this kind of stuff, go to making radios dot com,
making radios dot com, makingradios dot com. Check it out.
(28:02):
I think you'll find it very enlightening and provocative and original.
There's not much stuff out there.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Like this making radios dot com. Check it out.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Up close and far out with Michael Harrison, I'm Doug Stephan.
This is the talk radio countdown show for the Independence
Day weekend.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Up next, even jj Wiseman with some thoughts on what's
going on.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Legally this past week. On the Countdown, the Top.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Radio Countdown, we're counting down what America is talking about.
The Talk Radio Countdown show continues.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
The Top Radio Countdown brad here every week one hundreds
of great radio stations all around the United States of America,
including WRMN in Elgin, Illinois and WTAY which is in
the Flat.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Rock part of Illinois.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
A couple of great radio stations that are ministering, if
you will, to the needs of local folks. And theres
a lot of talk radio in these markets that comes
from national sources, but there still is that the idea
of having a voice, a local voice, and most of
these great stations have even though they have syndicated programming,
(29:23):
they also have some good local stuff. Trying to focus
in on the news and speaking of that, Stephen jj
Wiseman is here our attorney on the Talk Radio Countdown
show with an overview of a couple of the items that.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Are on the list. The story list.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
This week, we're talking about the week of July fourth,
the weekend and what we are celebrating.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
From the legal point of view.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
We know, we can tell you have a certain bias
and I have a certain bias, and pretty much everybody does.
I think that that sometimes enters into our feelings about
certain issues. But there's one thing that you can't argue about,
and that is what the law says. Even though the
Supreme Court does argue about it. How can there be
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anything other than one interpretation.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Steve, Well, you know, I think legitimately there can be
differences as far as how precise language is. Also with
the laws, whether they evolve to changing standards. You know,
It's even like when defamation laws were first put into effect,
(30:30):
they really didn't take into consideration what we see on
social media, and as life changes, the laws need to adapt.
But I do tend to agree with you. I think
there is some real basic legal kind of precedents and
precepts that I look at this today's Supreme Court court
(30:54):
and I just find that often they ignore them. Now
there are other times they surprise me and stand up
for things that aren't necessarily with a political agenda. But
the fact that the courts have become so politicized is
something that very very much concerns me.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Well, let's talk about this case.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Number eight this week on the countdown list is the
trans athletes case, which I dare say most people don't understand,
they don't begin to understand. I don't say that arrogantly.
I will tell you I don't really understand it. So
hearing the case, is it simple? I don't think it's
simple at all?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Is it?
Speaker 8 (31:32):
It isn't. And as a matter of fact, when one
of the courses I teach is sports law, and we
give that as an assignment, you know, there are a
couple of things that come into play. There are certain
athletes that actually have internal testes naturally occurring, so that
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they're going to have a higher testosterone level, and the
sporting authorities have in many instances taken action against them
for something that's naturally occurring. When we get into the
issue of trans athletes, though, these are people that that
change their sex. Generally, if it is a woman going
(32:15):
to a man, there is no big issue because there's
no big physical advantage. But when a man trans transitions
to a woman, if it's after puberty, there are certain
physical benefits and advantages that they have, and so the
question becomes one for society should they be treated as
a woman, or is this an unfair advantage? And you know, frankly,
(32:39):
when you look at all the high level athletes, they're
all genetic freaks to a certain extent, and they do
have benefits. But this is one where I think it's
been overly politicized. I mean, there was one of the states,
I forget, put in a big law to protect against
trans athletes when they didn't have a single transathlete in
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the state. So it just becomes a way to further
isolate and alienate people on both sides.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
What do you read into number five this week? The
fact that Paramount decided to settle a suit at Trump's suing,
Why don't we all get together and sue Trump as
that would.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Be no kidding and you could This thing is particularly troubling,
and the media hasn't covered it properly. It wasn't even
a defamation because they knew that wouldn't work, so they
did it for under a consumer protection law for false advertising.
It is a total total outrage, and Paramount just went
along with it in order to not have roadblocks put
(33:45):
up for a sale that's coming up. It's a terrible,
terrible decision.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yep. Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
All right, Steve and JJ Wiseman here with us on
the fourth of July. I'll leave you with this historical effect.
John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe all died on
the fourth of July. What else is dying and what
is living? Something to think about this week here on
the Talk Radio Countdown Show. I'm Dodge Stefan Radio Countdown.
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