Talkin’ Cowboys: Back in Business

Kyle Youmans, Patrik Walker, Isaiah Stanback & Josh Rodriguez discuss last week’s OTA practices, Schotty’s changes the locker room culture, and review rankings for the top WRs in the league and where CeeDee and Pickens fall amongst them.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Cowboys.

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This He's Talking Cowboys, springing live from the Dallas Cowboys
World Course at.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
The Star in Frisco.

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Seconds dot T, touchdown and.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
Now your hosts Isaiah standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and
Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 6 (00:36):
It's a an Ota edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by
Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco, Texas,
in the s WBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. We've got
the whole cast and crew ready for.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
You to rock today.

Speaker 7 (00:56):
Up, I hit, I hit the table and the mic
went out.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
We've got Patrick Nosey Walker back in business.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Welcome back, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
It's been a couple of weeks, but Patrick is back
from VAK and he's ready to go. We've got Josh
Rodriguez back from Mission Impossible screenings and meeting Tom.

Speaker 8 (01:14):
Cruise and yeah, absolutely no.

Speaker 7 (01:18):
He was on the red carpet.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, yeah, he was there your red carpet. Oh no,
Tom was Tom.

Speaker 9 (01:23):
Cruise was here, Tom where he was trying barbecue, He
was doing all sorts of things. Now we were supposed
to go to a screening with him there.

Speaker 8 (01:29):
He canceled at the last minute.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Makes sense, Only I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
You know, that is the first time I've ever heard
anybody refer to Tom Cruise as Tom.

Speaker 8 (01:36):
Tom, Thomas, Tommy.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
They're on the first name a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
You have kind of carte blanche to use whatever version
of Tom Cruise's name is.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
You like Thomas, If you will, kobd.

Speaker 7 (01:49):
We've got Tommy arras shupstairs.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
We've got Isaiah State back in the building, back on
this side of the planet.

Speaker 7 (01:58):
After your trip to Ghana, how was that?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
It was good? Many trip? Yeah, and I went out
there just like four days, four day trip, quick turning
around quick, yeah, just a quick there and back.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
It's quick there and back. Man went out there, had
to take care of some business. And now I'm back
here with.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Them, No biggie, just a quick hop to Gana. It's
the way you're down playing.

Speaker 8 (02:17):
Hop skipping a jump over.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Listen, I have a puddle jump listen. I told, I
told this guy. I told Barry Church and Nate Newton.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I vowed I made this statement last year, and I
actually I sent Barry a picture of me sitting I
was actually sitting on the beach, uh waiting buying time
before my flight because I had a ten pm flight.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right, So we were chilling on.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
The beach because you're right there at Akua, right on
the on the ocean front there. And I sent Barry
a picture. I was watching the show. I was watching
the podcast and I was listening, and I sent him
a picture. I was like, don't tell you. You can
never say your boy don't support you, right, he said, boy,
he said, you told us last year that you were
going to be catching trips this year and you weren't playing.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm listen. I'm finding out. This world
is large. It is and it is.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I love the Us of A and I'm grateful, but
there is a lot to see.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Got to get out in the sand. I got to
get out of the sandbox I have right now.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I've had these blinders on for a long time and
I'm I'm taking them off.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I'm putting on the buifocals now. Man, I'm trying to
see it all. So where's your next trip? I don't know.
You've always wanted to go to like Japan? Right? I
went there? Well, you did go to I went to
Japan there.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
This is my second trip to Africa in the last
you know, third fourteen months.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
I don't know what's next. I have the Philippines on
my list.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I have Australia was supposed to happen before my wife
and I actually got married, but she wanted to be
a flight attendant and that took presential time. But Australia,
I definitely want to do it, but I don't really
do all the dangerous stuff that's in Australia.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
You know, they have maybe New Zealand maybe.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
Maybe Have you ever been to Seattle?

Speaker 4 (03:48):
I think Thailand? Thailand and Philippines are probably next up
on the list. Those are high.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Have you ever been to Waco, Texas? I've been through.
I'm through.

Speaker 9 (03:59):
You can go there with like very little money and
have an excellent time. Yeah, like you could be a
thousand diar like myself and live it up, live it large.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well, I really want to go to Thailand, Like that's
very high on my list. But I did one of
those prepaid vacation things for Hawaii, so like I have
to do that like in the next year, so at.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Some point I gotta take the family at some point.
That's gonna be yes, Hawaii is definitely not all right.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
Well, glad to have you all back a little bit
since we've had the whole cast ready to ready to go,
Miss Beam in the back to get into some some
OTA news and notes. The Cowboys started OTA's last week
last Monday, in fact, and as we alluded to last
weekend or last episode, uh, we only had the one

(04:43):
look and it came on Tuesday, and it came after
the show was recorded on Tuesday, because of course that's.

Speaker 7 (04:51):
How it always works with guess when we're going to get.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
A look this week after the show.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
So it does take a little bit of time to
to really get to see it. But Patrick, I know
you were out of town, but you were keeping up
very closely with it all.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Absolutely, And one thing that stuck out to me most
certainly is the budding chemistry and how quickly the chemistry
between Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens is kind of taken off.
I'd love to see that Cede Lamb is so fully
embracing this trade. I mean, going back to a day
before it was announced. If you look at the kind
of subterfuge behind his tweet with that the waving hands

(05:24):
set right, and then you look at how you know
there's one thing for George Pickens to come in as
the new guy, and everybody's like, well, how's he going
to react to knowing that he's not the one, knowing
that at best he's the one B. Some people are
saying he's wr two, rightfully so, but then you have
the king on the throne and ceedee lamb come out
and say, we're both ones. You look over there and
you gotta one. You look over here and you gotta one.

(05:46):
Which one do you want to that's the goal? Which
one do you want to have a problem with? So
I love that that's really standing out. I think that's
going to help them both hit the ground running very
quickly with Dak Prescott Dak and George Pickens. That chemistry
is starting to kind of take off quickly. I just
love that the cohesiveness. And then when you talk about
Brian Schottenheimer, one of the things that we all spoke
about was just how impressive Schottenheimer has been to this

(06:09):
point with all of his talking points. Every time he speaks,
rather be publicly or to us behind the scenes, it's
a home run swing every single time. But the question
was how would that translate on the field to be determined,
But so far, with OTAs and veterans having now reported,
you start to see people like one Yea Thomas go
to Twitter and say we're having fun again, right, So,
when you start to see things like that, and Isaiah

(06:30):
spoke to this quite a bit over the past season
or two, the locker room chemistry, how players are reacting
to the coaching staff. There is this energy that's kind
of permeating throughout the locker room and throughout the coaching
staff that I would love to see that translate into wins,
and hopefully it does. But again, with this next step
having been taken in OTAs, things are really really ratchetting up.

(06:53):
And I love that the Cowboys front office has given
Shottenheimer a lot of firepower.

Speaker 9 (06:56):
It's something that the podcasts have talked about since run
Brian Schotenheimer's been the head coach, and like his press
conferences and like you said, every time he speaks, he
wins something. He's winning over the team, he's winning over
the press and everything like that. And you see a
lot that the Cowboys are winning the off season, like
in quotations, winning the off season My thing is like,

(07:17):
this personality has a huge personality.

Speaker 8 (07:19):
He's very likable.

Speaker 9 (07:21):
But the thing is, if you go into the season
and you start losing games, that personality is going to
start to be like, all.

Speaker 8 (07:26):
Right, what are we doing here?

Speaker 9 (07:27):
You know like it, you're going to call for more
professionalism and more Mike McCarthy is kind of a stoic leader. Yeah,
whenever the chips are down, and my thing is like,
as long as he's consistent, wish he has been this
whole time, You're going to see that. It might get
a little grading throughout the season if we're not playing
up to the caliber that we were. I mean, this

(07:48):
is a seven team, seven win team last season, so
you expect them to do really well. If it doesn't
go well, I don't want the narrative of Brian Schottenheimer
to be like, this guy's not taking any thing seriously.
What is he doing playing ping pong with the players
for us?

Speaker 6 (08:03):
That's why I chuckled a little bit there when Patrick
was talking about it too. Was because they are having
fun again and they're talking about it in the press conferences.
Brian Schotneimer last week talked about how competition every day
that's been the theme of the off season competition every day,
and they do it in little spurts, and they do
it even in themed games like the Masters and like
they did with the Kentucky Derby, And there are a

(08:25):
couple different things that they've done to kind of get
the guys engaged, get them competing. And then the free
throw shooting contest that we've heard about, different elements and
different contests. That's all great, that's all fine and dandy,
and I love it because it helps build culture, and
it helps build camaraderie within the locker room, and it
helps everybody know that you are here to compete as
soon as you step in the building. But right now,

(08:46):
it's easy to do all that type of stuff when
you're not playing somebody on Sunday. And so at some
point there will be a switch. There's a flip of
the switch. Maybe it's training camp, maybe it's before then,
but at some point you're gonna have to flip the switch.
And it's like, okay, at the free throw shooting contest,
it's not May anymore. It's okay to do that in May.
It's okay to have that type of mentality in May, because.

Speaker 7 (09:07):
I don't want the narrative to become what Joshu.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
Is alluding to there and what it has been in
the past when there have been ping pong tables in
the locker room, that it's all about that this is
just a byproduct of switching a culture what it is,
but you can't let it become a distraction.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think what I'm looking for to most obviously, you
don't want to see the Cowboys suffer any kind of
losing streak at all. I want to see them run
the table lift at all possible. Unlikely, you know, but
that's what you would love to see happen. My thing is,
I want to see how Shottenheimer's Cowboys react to a
two game losing streak game.

Speaker 8 (09:47):
I don't want to see that.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
No, I don't want to I don't want to see
them suffer the losses. But this is the NFL, and
hard times arrive, and were going to see this time
and again with the Cowboys, be it injuries or just
the bounce of the ball or bad call you know,
from the sidelines, or with the zebras, whatever the case
may be. When the Cowboys inevitably run up against adversity

(10:09):
this season, what does their bounce back look like.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
What does their shake back look like? Right?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Does the locker room remain together or do they start thinking, oh, well,
the paint poll table can't save us, now, you know
what I mean. So I do want to see how
that how that bounce back looks, because that's going to
determine what they look like in the long run. So okay,
So too many people I believe are putting too much
emphasis on the things that are going underneath the umbrella

(10:35):
of this culture change talking about them and speaking on
the actual activities.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
Yeah, you know it's listen, y'all, it's the headline stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Listen, this is you've been playing this game your whole life.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Okay, just because you're playing at the highest level doesn't
mean that all of a sudden fun should go away.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Agree, and like people have to understand that.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Like this whole and it is this really you know,
to me correlates with the whole shut up and dribble
and you know, you know, saying be a professional, you
shouldn't have an opinion like why can't I have fun?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Like why why can I not have fun? Like he is.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Literally taking the blueprint from people that he's been underneath
who have been highly successful at what they do as
being a head coach.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Oh yeah, Pete Carroll. Yeah, so this is literally he
has fun.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Literally what happened when Pete Carroll was with Seattle, and
I would imagine it's the same thing with what the
Raiders are doing right now. When you're underneath Pete Carroll's lineage.
When you go into the meeting rooms, they're putting pictures
of you from high school and college that are very
compromising in blackmail type photos. Everybody's laughing at you. The
cracking joke sounds like it coming from a come on man, absolutely,

(11:42):
I can have stories upon stories about just laughing with
your teammates and competing. I've said this how many times now.
When dan Quinn came in as a decordinator, What did
I tell you what was gonna happen? Competition, competition in
a culture change. What happened immediately? Competition competition in a
culture change. Where is dan Quinn underneath Pete Carroll? What
was he mimicking Carroll? It's the same thing. It just
so happens to be that this was now somebody who

(12:04):
was underneath coach McCarthy and now he doesn't have to
conform to anybody. This is him, this is me, This
is what I've always wanted to do. This is what
I told the Joneses that I was going to do,
and they saw I would imagine that. I would imagine
that dan Quinn had an impact on Schottenheimer's ability to
become the head coach for the Dallas Cowboys because same

(12:26):
things that he was telling the Joneses, that Joneses saw
that through dan Quinn. So they already had a taste
of it. Right they lost dan Quinn. He went over
and started coaching Washington, So they already know what they had,
they know what they lost, they know the impact that
that gentleman had. Now they know what they have, they
know what they did not want to lose, and they're
going to allow for him to execute the game plan
that he has said that he is going to come

(12:47):
out here and do. And that's exactly what's happening. He's
having fun, he's connected with the players. He's bringing down
this barrier, this wall barrier of player and coach that
says that we can't be on the same playing field.
You have to just bark all the orders and I
just have to listen everything you say all the time. Yeah,
that's the case, but it doesn't have to always be
in this type of gift rapping. So people need to
understand that there's different ways to coach. Dan Campbell coaches

(13:11):
a completely different way than a dog On Pete Carroll.
Pete Carroll coaches a completely different way than the Bill
Belichick and oh and Tomlin and everybody else. There are
different approaches, different styles. This is good for this organization
at this time with these players. I've mentioned it many
times when who's I'm blanking out now? The decordinator that
came in, uh uh Zimmer, Mike Zimmer was there.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
I said what I said, I don't like it. You
guys remember that.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
So I don't like it for a number From a
personality standpoint, I said, I don't like it. I don't
believe that he's going to connect with the players the
way in which these players.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
He's not going to meet them where they are. That
was my thought process.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Now he has some success with those guys, but I
still don't believe that he connected with those guys where
they are with this generation of player. Agree with this
generation of player is very hard to go with that
old school type of mentality not to say that you
can't be productive. I said that he would still be productive,
but connecting and those guys playing for you completely different things.

Speaker 6 (14:08):
It doesn't It matters what you have in terms of
the personnel and the generation probably generational player.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
You have to meet these young guys where they're.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
At and you gotta you gotta play to their strengths.
Teams like the Chiefs can have an old school mentality,
and even Andy, I mean Andy Reid has fun.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Different nugget commercials.

Speaker 9 (14:28):
Yeah, with his quarterback so exclusively wears Hawaiian shirts exactly,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
Even that's kind of a mismatch of an example. The
old school mentality works sometimes, but it depends on who
the players are.

Speaker 7 (14:42):
And who you have. I think the type of player that.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
Brian Schottenheimer is trying to connect with are the ones
on the fifty three to ninety man roster that we're
going to have going into training camp that are on
the other side of the building.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
First, I want to give Isaiah that that rant sensational brand.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
Wise section, and I love the comments section.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
The comments section back set up because they keep saying
the Pete Carroll comparison. I mean You're a guy who
played for Pete Carroll, was recruited by Pete Carroll. There's
a lot of connection there with Pete Carroll. And so
you seeing that that comp with Brian Schottenheimer is accurate.
I mean that's you've been in this building, You've been
in that building.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, And I want to make one comment before you
take this, because I'm sure you guys can run with this. Now,
there's still there has to be a lot that has
to be proven in terms of the Pete Carroll lineage.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Right in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Right, there's been four coaches to be head coaches that
have come from underneath the Pete Carroll umbrella, one of
which is Gus Bradley. I played for Gus Bradley also
in Jacksonville, same type of culture.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Didn't work out, right.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
I'm not going to say that it should be completely comparable,
but it didn't work out there for another of reasons. Okay,
But I could tell you that the morale of the
team and everything else, the competitiveness was all there.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Robert Sala came from underneath the Pete Carroll Lennax right, Well,
we know he's one heck of a coach. Just didn't
pan out. There's a lot of things that were working
against him there, right, coordinator, you got a Jackville Jaguars. Okay,
Usually if you guys get head coaching opportunities and you're
walking into a pretty terrible situation, right most of the time,
not the case necessarily here, right, So Gus Bradley, Robert
solid those things didn't necessarily work out. Dave Canalis. Right,

(16:13):
he's down in the Carolina trying to turn things around.
You can see this offseason what they've done.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's turning. It's turning, it's turning down there.

Speaker 8 (16:19):
That's not got midway through the season. Absolutely, it's definitely.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
He is finally being able to make decisions for himself
that he really wants to make it and you really
love him, love him. He's a freaking little offensive Jedi workhorse. Okay,
So that's going to change down there, and you can
see it right with the personnel that's going down there.
Guys are choosing to go play for him now, so
that's to be seen.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
So we have two guys that right haven't worked out
as head coaches, but great at their defensive coordinated positions.
Dave Canalis, who were you know the jury's out, right,
but we could see things are changing. And now you
have Brian schotten Harmer all right, sorry and dan Quinn.
Dan Quinn, we know where dan Quinn is. So we're
kind of two and two, right, let's call it two
and two. Brian Schottenheimer's the tiebreaker. Okay, he's a tiebreaker,

(16:59):
but he's all so the one who's walking into the
best situation. Oh absolutely, of all these coaches, of all
these coaches, he's walking into the best situation. Gus Bradley
was the worst situation. I would say Robert Solo was
right above him, right there, right nicka neck. Okay, then
you had dan Quinn, are they Dave Canile's where jury's out?
Dan Quinn, we know what he walked into and what
he was able to do. And now you have Brian Schottenheimer,

(17:19):
who's come from this lineage, right, this is this umbrella tree,
and obviously he's walking into the best, most talented situation.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Possible with cornerstones on both sides of the ball, actually
on all three phases. Because when you talk about special teams,
you're talking about turping, and you're talking about Brandon Aubreys
will So yeah, I mean, hands down, is the best situation.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Nick. My mic is on, I.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
Don't know what's going on. Nick Sorenson taking the special
team's coordinator job is catching in the best job he
could possibly land in in terms of his specific special
teams coin. He's just walking in. He's gonna I've.

Speaker 7 (17:53):
Got Brandon Aubrey and Brian Anger.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, it sounds.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
Pro bowlers as spots that you're responsible for and in
the long snapper obviously, but he hasn't made one yet.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
He hasn't made one.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, he's right there, right, So you got three out
of your four people that you're responsible for are all
pro guys.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
Yeah, that's funny, all right, I love it.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
When we come back. Who I know mins cut off too,
not going going well?

Speaker 6 (18:17):
Whoever had this mic last rady, he's getting a fine
Who who stood out at OTAs is what we'll talk
about when we come back on the other side of
the break. There are a couple of names that jumped
off the page, a couple of them that it's a
little too early to tell. We'll kind of decipher that
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We've had just means they're not good enough. Guys, there
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Speaker 2 (21:07):
This isn't the coming of the day. But I want
to point this out. First of all, shouts out Tommy Yards,
I see you upstairs. You're in the chat. The chat
because Hoodie said he can't wait for me to dust
Tommy at a training camp and in the forty yard
dash and Tommy tom dinning was like hold on there,
Hoodie shouts out the anti jumping on Tommy side. That's
all little good, but that's the that's the losing team.

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And shouts out to Hoodie, when is this happening?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Wait?

Speaker 7 (21:32):
Women, when we were all out understand that, but that's
a long time. I need a date, I would say,
like July.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I mean we got to get there and get settled.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
And you and I are getting out there, Tartmacs. You
and I are getting out there like the twenty eighth.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Who's my first class?

Speaker 7 (21:47):
Probably I'm not passing opportunity again.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Hey, I'm on the free upgrade list now, made sure
your airline miles American.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
It's unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
I still hate you for that.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
What if we like tentatively set like August fifth, going
into the first week schedule?

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Huh we need to know Thatary, No, No, it's gonna
be in the morning.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
Yeah, good, the week of think eight.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
How about that?

Speaker 8 (22:18):
Out there a day any day anytime.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I was gonna shoot you saying day you are ready
to take on.

Speaker 8 (22:27):
Any day anytime. Once we're out there, dang, I.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Like it morning. We don't have no work. We don't
have it anymore. So remember McCarthy had the Mojo moment.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Instead of just playing the NBC out there, we just
dropped like Bamer plugs in his phone and just drops
the talking.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Now y'all want the whole presentation, absolutely, Lawrence, everybody keep
out there any day anytime, with the day. I just
see back of Mike and the guys underwater break Look
at this, Look at this.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
We would make them up to Michael, my whole schedule
release on it.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
All right, So let's get out there because I A,
oh gosh, your mic is not playing it.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
It's not not going well today.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
It's okay, we're but it's not cutting out to them. Okay, No,
it's cutting out to everybody.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
We're playing with it, cutting out with it. I'm not
going to touch it again.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
So ot as last O t A's last week.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Who stood out? Josh, get off the plate, That's what
I said. Who stood out? On O t a s
stood out?

Speaker 9 (23:41):
Okay, I'm just doing the eye test, right. I can
only see what I see, And we got some great
photographers here that takes great photos.

Speaker 8 (23:48):
But ah saw certain somebody.

Speaker 9 (23:52):
I was like looking in a mirror when I saw
Solomon Thomas, Oh.

Speaker 8 (23:58):
Lord, he looks amazing.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
He's home. Yeah, he's he's even good.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Mama's cooking jacked up, and I like it.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
It looks like Cooler from Dragon ball Z.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
He looks like a street shark out. He looks like
a street shark. Bralli Bralli out there.

Speaker 9 (24:17):
Uh, just a physical specimen. He looked like he could
be in w today yea. But honestly, he looks. He
looks great. He's running great, he's running around the corner
very well. Uh, the footwork looks good so far, at
least for me. That's what I'm really most excited about.
I mean, someone that's going to contribute depth wise in
the season. There's a lot of guys if you look

(24:38):
at the unrestricted free agents, if you look at the
the draft picks that we have coming up, it's like,
all right, you know they're gonna be vying for playing time.
This guy is going to have playing time, no doubt.
You're going to see him every Sunday fingers crossed. But
just looking at him, like good lord, I could.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Say I could tell you Osa is excited about it.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Fact yeah, I had a brief conversation with Osa, and
he was excited about the guys, not none of that
that are coaching them now they have the position coaches,
but he's excited about some of the additions that they've
made for guys that fit the mold. He said that
we're pretty much the same, same build, is what he said.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's pretty good. I like that.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm going to hit you back off of what what
Josh is saying, because it's it would be easy to
attach to one of the rookies right now because obviously
they're the incoming guys, and you want to see guys
like Theoya out there such and such. But it's it's
still it's still early, so I let the rookies kind
of acclimate more so that takes me to the veterans.

(25:38):
And of the veterans, one of the more exciting ones
for me has to be Solomon Thomas. And this was
actually even prior to us seeing Solomon Thomas and OTA's
the guys. Absolutely Thomas at the facts.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Look like street, that's Solomon time on the West. I'm
I'm going to replace this roster phone once you cut
back to the crib and you get Mama's home cooking bro.

Speaker 8 (26:03):
But he's you.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
You can just tell that energy wise, he's rejuvenated.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
He's you know, hyped to go.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
But one thing I wrote in one of the science
labs after Salomon Thomins was signed was and I love
that you pointed out that Osa is excited about it.
There's several reasons Osa is excited about it, but here's
the primary reason.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
It's because Osa now gets to.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Rest Okay, he gets to remain fresh as the game
goes on. When I went back and I looked at
Osa's defensive snap count since he came into the league
in twenty twenty one, fifty seven percent of the snaps
in twenty one, comparable in twenty two at fifty four percent,
comparable in twenty three at sixty percent, ballooned in twenty
twenty four to.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Seventy eight percent. Seventy eight percent.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Now, keep in mind, this is a guy you just
gave a cornerstone contract to four years with some serious money, right.
You want him around for the long run, and you
want him being able to impact games over the totality
of four quarters. But what you saw in twenty twenty
four is more often than not, he started to wear
down in the second half. He started to wear down
in the second half of the season. Solomon Thomas's presence

(27:02):
helps prevent that from happening because the drop off in talent,
if you want to argue that there is any it's marginal.
It's marginal versus pre Solomon Thomas, where when Osa came
off the field, it was a precipitous drum. Yeah, right,
in impact and productivity. So when you look at what
Solomon Thomas brings to the table, and then you look
at how prepared he is to make an impact as

(27:23):
early as day one with just being a specimen.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
That's exciting to me. That's just flat out exciting.

Speaker 8 (27:28):
It's Jossome, really Jossome.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
But I like it.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
On the offensive side of things, I know there was
a lot of buzz around the wide receiver room around
Pickens and Lamb.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
It's hard to see those guys go full force.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
Currently because they're just kind of rotating in and of
course Pickens is learning the playbook as we go along.
One guy that really did stand out, two guys actually,
both pass catchers that are on the fringe of making
the roster and being around one of them Jalen Cropper,
who is just an all time practice team member. I
feel like every year at this time and every year
of training camp, we'll talk about proper.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
It's true, this will be year three that he's made
the all practice, all.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
Training and he's been decent in the preseason, but it's
just not the same whenever he's out there catching six
or seven passes over and over, and it's not just
from the backups.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
It's not Will Greer throwing on the rock.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
It's Joe Milton and Dak Prescott that are also throwing
it to Jalen Cropper. He had more targets than any
other receiver during our time out there as the media
portion wrapped up. So yeah, kind of interesting to see
how he's taking a step forward. And if you want
to talk about a guy that looks like a juggernaut
but can still run and can catch the football, his

(28:41):
name is.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Brevin span four tight end.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
Oh Man, big Phil. This is a big dude. And
he was hauling, he was pulling away. He had to
catch over the middle and he took off and he
was pulling away from the secondary that was on the
field at that point.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Janye Thomas was trying to catch up to the gay.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
You know what his weight is right now? It's not
It's probably what he told me when I asked him. Yeah,
I sized him up myself. I was like, I was like, bro,
what is that one of.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
The ones where the attendants were up? Yeah? Because I
look at him, he dwarfs me. Right. So I'm looking.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
I'm like, Brom, I'm six three, two fifty five right now.
He's like, I'm like, how much are you going right now?
He's like, I'm like two seventy said, I'm sorry, what
was that. He's houling and moving that mass too. He's
the biggest tight end in the room. Oh easy, Absolutely,
not just my height.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Absolutely, and that's saying a lot because Schoolmaker is not
a small and.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Not at all. He's a large human too, not a small.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
Ye, Brevin span Ford looks like Lebron James playing basketball,
I mean playing football, Like.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
That's what it looks like.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
He's not as long and lanky, of course as as
Lebron is, but man.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I'm looking forward to his development.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
Man, Yeah, this might be a year where of course
we've talked about John Stevens before as like a tight
end three option, Brevin span Ford is quickly moving his self.

Speaker 7 (29:57):
Further and further up the depth chart. Somebody to keep
an eye on as we.

Speaker 8 (30:00):
Get agree, and they'll be fund at training him for.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Sure, especially as we all sit and wait to see
if John Stevens Junion can stay healthy.

Speaker 7 (30:08):
It's a big one that he's not back on the
field yet.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
So this is going to be a critical summer for
John Stevens.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
And Ravaldo Fairweather was the cowboys lone remaining draftable grade
that was still available going into the undrafted free agent portion.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
So fair Weather.

Speaker 6 (30:26):
As a tight end there, I bumped it as a
tight end. There has a little bit of h sponsor
in the room. There are some people that really like
what fair Weather can do out of Auburn. He had
a drop in the OTA practice that was open to
the media, So it's a little bit different than than
what we saw from Brevin spam Ford. But again, only

(30:48):
one OTA practice and only one open to the media.

Speaker 8 (30:50):
What did you see from Tyler Neville? Another?

Speaker 7 (30:54):
Yeah, at that time, didn't see a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
But see, this is what I mean when I say
let's let's give the rookies some time to of course,
because they rookie Minnie Camp okay, getting their feet with OTAs,
they're starting out with the veterans now still getting their
feet wet. I'm reticent to kind of say anything about
rookie progress until we see them in Oxnard on the
field after a couple of practices. Until then, they're just
kind of going through the motions that are laid in

(31:19):
front of them. Right, it's the veterans that I'm looking
at in OTAs.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
How did Joe Milton look?

Speaker 8 (31:25):
How did Joe Milton look?

Speaker 6 (31:26):
And so in the media portion, he was on and off.
It was kind of.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Okay in regards to accuracy.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Yeah, he missed a couple passes, especially downfield. There was
one that I know he's severely under through, which is
not a problem for He.

Speaker 9 (31:40):
Had a really nice scamper too off ten years It
was at least ten yard takeoff. But I mean, just
the athleticability is there for sure.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
You can see he can he can run, he can
get up and go. From people that I've talked to
within the building, they are very impressed. And these are
people that don't necessarily sugarcoat it, like their coaches and
their their scouts, and they're watching everything. They like Joe Milton.
They're happy for him or happy to have him.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I'm really excited to see this QB to do. I'm
really excited because as as much as Joe Milton needs
to bringing to the table, what I want to see
from Will Griar is which version of Will Gris shows
up right?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Is it the version that.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Kind of did what he could to try his best
behind Cooper Rush, but he couldn't really you know, supplant
Cooper Rush. Or is it the one that showed up
when after the Cowboys traded for Trey Lance and that
same day basically told him, Hey, we're gonna end up
letting you go, but we're going to let you go
out there and show what you can really do and

(32:43):
just unleash, just take over the game. And he did
exactly that with four touchdowns and you know, some on
the ground, some in the air over three hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
If that Will Gris shows up time and again.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
And I'm not saying one way or another, Milton, if
you had to make me put money on it, which
I can, good Hell, I'm not putting money on it.
I would say Milton has the lead right now. But
if Will Greer, if that version of Will Grill shows
up and Milton can't sit back at all.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
I would love that.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
I don't know if it's much of a competition, No,
I don't see it.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I see it.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
I see this as Milton one, as a younger prospect
that they're trying to build on high side. Correct, they're
trying to build towards the upside.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
They invested in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 13 (33:31):
It was a hot minute ago. We're getting further and
further from that Heisman vote here, Pat, But the facts
you're right that it's a fact, but I don't see
it as as that much.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
And that's that's one hundred speaking from a competition.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, what I'm saying is.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I would love to see if will Grear can make
someone like Kyle with a justifiable take like that. I
love having and Isaiah and Josh and see like raising eyebrow, like,
oh for sure, here's a competitive.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
I like him.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Does my prediction at the RB one position still look
like Williams is his prediction?

Speaker 8 (34:11):
I'd say yes, so far he's taking the first snaps.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
But again, veterans and OTAs, let the rookies. I'm not
weighing that until I get the training camp. Let's see
who begins with first team, who gets most of the
first team, and who does what with their first team rest.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
The only person who's been here for the last period
of time has been Dusbon, So yeah, Javonte Williams. I'm looking.
I'm excited to see what he can do well.

Speaker 9 (34:34):
Brian toimer Heimer was given the flowers to one hundred
lifkey in his last press conference, so.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
We know he's not gonna RB one. I know.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
I'm just I'm just talking about just guys in terms
of that competing for that spot. Everybody who's truly competing
for that spot has is having their first impressions with.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
This coaching staff.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
What's interesting about the Hunter lip Key equation is he
gets a lot of praise and a lot of roses
from the coaching staff, the previous coaching staff, and even
the incoming coaching staff. He gets plenty of roses from analysts,
he gets plenty of roses from the fans, but time
and again it just doesn't translate to them giving him
action on the field to points where sometimes we sit

(35:11):
here and get frustrated, like you last year, for example,
you needed a short yardist back.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Why not just unleash Hunter?

Speaker 8 (35:17):
And can't keep punishing him that.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I was gonna point to that.

Speaker 8 (35:23):
I No, I agree, that's im. You can't keep punishing
him for that.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
Yeah, but he was in the dock hats but for
for a minute, Well you did jack.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
The head coach that had him in the doghouse from
that is no longer here.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
So let's see if the new head coach.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Who has something that gives coaches PTSD it truly does.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Like I understand, it was one mistake. Everybody's over a second.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I agree understand the the damage, the psychological damage that
doesn't coaches like it's embedded in their head, like that
is the one thing that they're like, h no, on
the one did get that.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Really lose the game? Or yes? Or was it listening
not taking the right angle? That too.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
He's not on the team anymore either, Bro, He's been
on some He put on some weight too.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
So all I'm saying is it's interesting to see because
all of us, we all love what Hunter Lipkey brings
to the table, his skill set, his flexibility, versatility even
as a weapon out of the backfield at times. But
it's not translated yet. Let's see if it starts to
translate with Shahamer.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
And will Schottenheimer commit to having a full back full
time because he doesn't have to teams and a lot
of times.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Don't you he's been a part of don't you say that?
See where they they.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Haven't done it quick before? Before we go to break
what's his linebacker competition looking like?

Speaker 6 (36:45):
Let's talk about it on the other side of the
what is the linebacker competition looking like? And do you
feel better about the linebacker competition than me? We thought
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Speaker 6 (39:05):
To talking Cowboys back, I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Back again.

Speaker 7 (39:15):
That wasn't the Mic Patrick, No s Walker. We've got
Josh Roderiguez. We've got Isaiah's him back.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
So like Pops, I got caught off guard the cartoons
on the toilet. That's not the way I want to
start by morning, All right? Linebacker conversation, gentlemen. Linebackers added

(39:48):
in the off season, guys like Jack Sanborn, Kenneth Murray, Uh,
the departure of Eric Kendricks, the innovailable or the inavailability
unavailability of of a guy named the Marvi and overshown.
It's kind of shaken up linebacker as a whole. The
schamar James and what he's brought from a rookie standpoint

(40:10):
has been exciting to see. Do you feel better about
linebacker right now than you did going, let's say, into
free agency? Do you feel better about what it feels
like at linebacker and do you feel like you can
see this group surviving through the course of the season.

Speaker 9 (40:28):
I feel much better about linebacker at this point, especially
when you have a Marvin Overstown potentially possibly maybe might
come back during the season, he says by Thanksgiving.

Speaker 8 (40:39):
But well, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (40:40):
We'll see, he said, I'm going to be active in
that game.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
It's what he tweeted. Oh no, I've learned not to
doubt that young man.

Speaker 9 (40:45):
No, no, not at all. And I'm not even saying that.
I just mean, like, we don't do not know, We
don't know. We will find out during the season, hopefully.
My thing is, I'm surprised to see a guy like
Jack Sanborn, who I think is wearing the green dot
out there taking first snaps, and then Kenneth Murray.

Speaker 8 (41:02):
I like his athletic ability.

Speaker 9 (41:05):
I'm surprised Kenneth Murray is not getting the nod over
Jack Sanborn right now. But then again, it is really early.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
It is Ota had this conversation.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
We had this conversation. He said, it would be Samborne
and you you.

Speaker 9 (41:15):
Were edging toward Jack Sanborn over Kenneth Murray, like early
on when we were talking about it. And I think
for all of us. It was sort of like a oh, yeah,
Kenneth Murray, he has more of the pedigree, but in
this defense, it might be Jack Sanbourne.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, and I believe it'll be Jack Samborne, just as
I believed when we had the conversation.

Speaker 8 (41:33):
It's still early.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
It is still early, and we'll see how it shakes out.
Training camp will tell the hotel. But when you talk
about comfort level with Eberflus, Jack Sanborne has that prepackaged.
So for nothing else, that's going to be the starting
point for why I believe that Jack Sanborne was going
to take the lead there, and thus far he is
taking the lead. Now, can Kenneth Murray, you know, supersede
him by the time preseason is over? Absolutely he can.

(41:55):
Keneth Murray has a very versatile skill set.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
He's a big guy.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
He can hit, he can cover sideline, the side line,
he can operate in blitz packages. I would like to
see his coverage improved, but it's not poor.

Speaker 8 (42:04):
He's closer in trades to de Marvin Overshaw.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Agreed, which is why you would expect to see him
in good chunks of defensive snap counts going forward. But
to answer the question, I'm right there with Josh I,
how can you not feel better about where they aren't
linebacker versus where they were standing ahead of free agency,
Because ahead of free agency, first and foremost, you had nothing.
Basically you had Marist, you had Merist, and you still

(42:32):
still don't know what Dabone Clark's going to give you.
So we're going to circle back. So you had Merist
because you don't know when the Marion Overshowan will be ready.
He's telling us, and he told me a few weeks
ago during the Jersey change announcement to the number zero.
So shouts out to agent zero. He told me that
he would be on the field before the season is over.
But again, this is a medical situation.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
We can hope that that's the case. So you look
at the stable hand only being Marist Leafoul. Now you
fast forward to now and they've made the trade for
Kenneth Murray, they've signed sample In a free agency you
go and you you get guys like Shamar James, you
got Shavon Revel. Justin Barron comes in looking like a prototype, right,

(43:13):
what can that young man do? So if you look
at the talent, yes, it's there's a lot of raw
talent needs to be polished, needs to be refined. But
then add that to the category of what is it
that Matt Eberflus excels in?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
What position does Hee excel with? Again? Linebakers? Linebackers? Okay, okay,
so yeah, feel good? Feel detackle?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Well I should say feel better. I feel better. I'm
not going to say I feel good yet.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
So let me let me what would it take for
you to feel good?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I gotta see him, I got I gotta see him
in training camp. I got to see these young guys
in preseason. I gotta yeah, I gotta see them on film.
And honestly, that might take, you know, until week three
before I can tell you if I feel good. But
I do feel better than I did before free agency.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
I'm with you there, And at least for me training camp,
it's so hard to actually grade linebacker play like I
just I can't do it.

Speaker 8 (44:04):
On a slip.

Speaker 9 (44:05):
Frankly, I'm you're seeing him out there and they're in
the right positions, but you don't know if that that
is a tackle or not, you know, And and at
least for me my first camp, I was like, how
do you how are we like I would think I
was asking Kyle or I was asking somebody like, exactly
how are we grading linebackers?

Speaker 7 (44:20):
Because I just think it was you and I had
that conversation.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
We were standing on the side of the fence and
basically I'm like, you can't can't talk about physicality.

Speaker 8 (44:28):
Because I was just like, I was like, wait a second,
what are we doing?

Speaker 7 (44:30):
But you got to look at where they're going to
be and if they're making the right.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Read Eric Kendrick Witness told the show at linebacker training camping.

Speaker 6 (44:37):
Malea foul, I thought the same thing. The way he
was able to demo, the way that they in their
first camps were able to explode to the football and.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Be there knifing through and getting through pressure, things like that.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
I think there's a lot of ways you can, Like
you said, there's ways that you can evaluate and there
are other ways where you're just playing in simple can't
even Brian Schottenheimer talking about running backs in a similar light,
he said, it's hard to really evaluate running backs while
they're wearing shorts.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
You just you can't. You can't really see it a
whole lot.

Speaker 6 (45:08):
But you can see the vision, you can see their explosiveness,
But are you going to break a tackle? Are you
gonna get around that guy? And are you gonna make
on the opposite side? Exactly the same thing as linebackers.
So it is interesting to kind of feel that out
as the season goes on, especially when they're not even
in pads yet and they're just wearing shells and helmets
and that's all they've got out there.

Speaker 9 (45:29):
And I I think you don't really know until camp
or sorry Preseseason, Yeah, I think that's when you find
an answer to like, Okay, who's actually your guy?

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (45:38):
What do you think about the linebacker corps as a whole?

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yeah, I gotta see him, you know me, I gotta
do to eye tests. I mean, obviously they've got some names,
some guys that come in, Yeah, exactly, Pops.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
I think there's some guys.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
That are looking for opportunities that are currently on the roster,
and I think there's some some veterans that have come
into the room that that's gonna come obviously with some
accolades that some of the younger guys may not already have,
And it's going to be one heck of a competition.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Those preseason games are.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Going to matter more than huge than you could ever
imagine for that for that particular position group.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
I want to kind of transition a little bit of here.
This is a conversation that was brought up on one
of the other podcasts. I'll let Josh kind of lead
this a little bit.

Speaker 15 (46:18):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (46:19):
Top thirty two wide receiver rankings. This was released by
Pro Football Focus. I'm interested to see. I haven't looked
at the list. Isaiah's not looked at the list, as
far as I'm concerned. Pat's not looked at the list.
So we're seeing this blind for the first time. Right,
top thirty two wide receivers in football going into training camp?
Where do you feel like our guys rank? And you

(46:41):
want to ask that question first, Well, there are tiers
in this list. Let me let me put that on.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
The tears, or there are tiers of there were probably both,
probably some tiers.

Speaker 8 (46:52):
But there are six tiers. So consider that in your ranking.

Speaker 7 (46:56):
Is it divided by what it's They're all.

Speaker 8 (46:59):
Kind of different.

Speaker 9 (46:59):
Yeah, yeah, there's no exact number two each tear, But
just consider that, where would you guys place ceed Lamb
in the top thirty two of NFL wide receivers according
to Pro Football Focus?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Where would I.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
For me, he's he's right there with Jamar Chase, He's
right there with Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Top three for me, he's.

Speaker 8 (47:27):
In the second.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I'll put him at six. I put him at like
seven or eight.

Speaker 9 (47:31):
Yeah, right there he is at number six six, Yeah,
all right above him.

Speaker 8 (47:36):
Pookin Nikoua at number five.

Speaker 7 (47:38):
Pat Okay. Who are the guys that are in front
of him?

Speaker 8 (47:41):
Yeah, above him? Pookin nkuat number five.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Yeah. See, I would put Lamb above him.

Speaker 9 (47:44):
An I'm on rossat and Brown torot Lions. That's fair
number four, Jamar Chase number three, I'd argue against it.
Justin Jefferson number two, yeah, yes, and yes A J.

Speaker 8 (47:54):
Brown number one.

Speaker 6 (47:55):
As much as I hate that, it's probably fair number one.

Speaker 8 (47:59):
Yeah, number one. On AJ Brown.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
They're saying AJ Brown is better than Justin Jefferson. That's
not and Jamar Chase, Yes, throw the whole list away.
This is awful, throw it away?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Serious? Isaya thought fired into the sun?

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah that I'm I don't have a problem with CD
being S six, But yes, the top.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Three AJ I can see top five, yeah, but no
on Yeah, but number number.

Speaker 8 (48:23):
One is crazy, that's wild. Justin Jefferson number one.

Speaker 7 (48:27):
So I already hate this list, but let's.

Speaker 8 (48:29):
Get where did you guys play? George Pickens on the
thirty two.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Not thirty two.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
I think he's in the top thirty two.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
I don't. I do think he's in the top thirty two.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
I put him at like twenty three, twenty four, top twenty,
top twenty.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
That's that's you're crazy. Let me tell you about this,
this national champion out of Georgia.

Speaker 8 (48:48):
You're crazy, all right, right, all right?

Speaker 9 (48:51):
Oh, of the thirty two top NFL wide receivers recording
of Pro Football Focus, George Pickens is not on a list.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
I think that's not on the list.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
I think that's why. Don't you think it's harsh? I
don't think.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Well, obviously he hasn't had a consistent QB play, so
regardless of future abilities are you can't put out your
production if you don't have consistency at that position, so
you're tied to the production of the quarterback.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
That's where I would argue he should be in the
top thirty two because even with inconsistent QB plays, he
still managed to produce. He still managed to be a
top ten player in terms of yards per catch on average.
So why because he hasn't finished lower than seventh in
that category in the three years throughout his career, when,
of course, in twenty twenty three when he had his

(49:39):
breakout year, that was a completely different type of player,
when he had a little bit of consistency QP.

Speaker 9 (49:46):
Wise, I think it's fair to say though, it's the output,
and you know you're looking at Pro Football Focus, who
is taking in that into account the statistics that are there,
And he hasn't had consistent quarterback play, So I totally understand.

Speaker 8 (49:57):
Yeah, and if you look at what the Eagles have
done to tistically, it kind of makes sense.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Okay, so far my problem with with Pickings not being
on the top thirty two list.

Speaker 8 (50:06):
Is who else is not?

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I figured I figured there would be one or two
names when I because I went to the list.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Now I'm looking at and I'm like, you've got to
be kidding me. Okay, So start from thirty two. Yeah,
from thirty.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Two, Okay, So at thirty two they have Jamison Williams
with the Detroit Lions, Courtland Sutton thirty one, right, who
that was one who was speculated that the Cowboys might
have been interesting before they make a trade for the
pickings for pickings.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Deebo Samuel, No, no, no, not this version.

Speaker 8 (50:35):
Now that's for name recognition a lot, because.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
This version of now Samuel not at all Josh Downs No, no, okay.
And here's where really I started to get pissed. Though
she Rice, Now it's better than George Pickens.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
No not right now?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
No always said, was he ever? No to be fair,
had a twenty three yeap injured twenty four? Fine, but
if you look at skill set and consistency of productivity,
and consistency or productivity with a carousel of poor quarterback
play versus you got Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Okay, that guy's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
So and it goes from there, and and then you
could start to argue, right because then you got JSJ
with Seattle. Now it becomes arguable, Marvin Harrison Junior becomes
it becomes it becomes arguable. But so I feel like
the justifiable argument, did can George Pickens climb into the
top twenty seven or twenty six on this list? But

(51:30):
having him out of the top thirty two when I'm
dropping names like Rice and this version of Deebo sam
You'll get fired.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
This list into the Sun Well and Rashi.

Speaker 6 (51:39):
Rice missed a lot of last year too. He missed
a ton of time due to injury, due to off
the field stuff.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
There was there was a lot going on with Ryan
last year.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
He's whereas if you're gonna hold that against Pickens and
the fact that they had nine hundred dollars last year,
then why is he not on the list?

Speaker 4 (51:54):
And right now, I just think if you put them
side by side and you had a choice as to, hey,
which one do you would you place on your roster
or which one would you start your receiving roster with,
I think you're probably going with Rice. No disrespect to Picking,
that's sure. Yeah, I mean he's just I think he's
a personally, I believe he's a more versatile receiver. I'm
looking at terms of offerings at this list. Zay Flowers

(52:17):
twenty five, Marvin Harrison Junior twenty six, Jackson Smith and
jig But twenty seven.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
That's right around where I right there, pick I think
I would put it rafter.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
That's that's when you start having the argument about Okay, fine,
but to not having him in the top thirty two
is egregious.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
As far as this Brown at number one.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
And this is me objectively speaking, not because aj is
wearing an Eagles uniform, but he is not better than Justin.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
It doesn't help our chase. I mean it doesn't help.

Speaker 9 (52:43):
But deego, Samuel on this list is offensive. Yeah, right now,
I don't see it this version.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
If this was twenty twenty, I think he's a better option.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I think you don't even know what you get when
he gets packed.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Hey, you don't where he's going. He's not. I don't
think he's on this lish Is that nineteen? Is he? Yep?

Speaker 8 (53:04):
But yeah, I like good player though he's a player.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
I like Brandon Aik said every team has a number
one nineteen.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
That tier five through twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
I think I'm not because by by saying that, George
and again listen, I haven't watched him since he's been here.
By saying he's he's he's uh, he's in the top
thirty two, you're saying that he's better than another team's
number one.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
That's the statement.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
Yeah, and there are a couple of teams that have
right Lions at Oh yeah, there's none of that to multiple.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Lions, multiple Eagles, multiple.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
Rams, Nikua and Adam Adams, multiple Commanders, McLaurin and Samuel.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
They put Terry McLaurin at.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Ten deebo is on this list. Terry, this version of
debo is on this list.

Speaker 8 (53:54):
Not the debo of Bold Yeah, not Friday Debo.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Not Friday Debo, not as scared of the debo that
got Whoop Buck Craig multiple Dolph.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Down. All right, I steal, I don't kill.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
We will have more O TA news as the week
goes along, and then we've got more practices going into
next week as well. Uh, Cowboys OTA practices tomorrow is
what's open to the media, and then next Tuesday right
after talking cowboys as well.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
So well, we'll talk.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
About it when we get to that point in time.
Be sure to follow Dallas Cowboys dot com all of
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I'll have some stuff along with Tommy Yarish on the
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football this week?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Next week?

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