October 22, 2025 • 48 mins
Kyle Youmans, Patrik Walker, Isaiah Stanback, and Josh Rodriguez dive into Jerry Jones’ comments on the Trevon Diggs drama and what it means for the locker room. Plus, a preview of a ferocious Broncos defense ready to test Dak Prescott, George Pickens, CeeDee Lamb, and a vengeful Javonte Williams in Week 8.
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Welcome in, everybody. We've got the whole cast and crew
ready for you to rock today with Patrick Nosey Walker,
Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah standback, Chris Beam in the back. I'm
Kyle Yeomans. What are you upset about already?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Isaiah?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
We're about to talk about the Broncos defense versus the
Cowboys offense. I feel like we have the KOI, Josh
and no Ce.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Oh you don't have the coy Why is that?
Speaker 6 (01:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm just feeling. Thirty seconds into that, I'm just feeling
the vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Kyle relating accusations I think it's called projection.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
No no, no, no no no, Josh is Ky, I'm
not koy. It's coy. John. I'm not excited to talk
about this today, but I'm not koy. Are they gonna
win again?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Nice hat, but you sound like you sound like a
Sesame Street character.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The all Black version. Yeah, you like it?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
H I like that.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
I like that hat.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, Josha Lagus, josh O Lefogus. Well that's what it
sounds like, Josh he said, he sounded like Street.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
He called me bird that one on the long trunk.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
Yeah, my mom used to call me that because my
eyelashes go straight down like cover my eyeball.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I don't if you has noticed that I have not
seen in the camp. Uh yeah hd HD you know.
Speaker 7 (02:02):
Also shove some my mom.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
She had a birthday this week to.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Birthday, hot up, love you about that.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
We've got plenty to talk about today. It's our offensive
preview going up against the Denver defense, which might be
one of the tougher defenses Dallas has faced here on
the twenty twenty five season. They're pretty good. Yeah, they're legit,
though they did give up thirty two points against the
Giants the other day.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
But we'll talk about that. Yeah, we'll talk about We'll
talk about that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And then they gave up the Giants gave up thirty
three points in the fourth quarter. Yeah, yeah, historic comeback stuff.
All right, Patrick, News and notes, let's get right into it.
Busy day today, and there was a little bit to
talk about from yesterday, even though the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Weren't on the practice field. Some drama a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yea drama on a day off only oh, like what
just stirring it up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, Well, let's start with the fact that again just
to recap the guys that are returning to practice from
IR today, headlined by Agent zero.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Gotta feel good about that.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Maryon Overshan will take the practice field today for the
first time since suffering his torn acl last year. Also,
Cooper beebe starting center, will return to practice and making
his debut at Cowboys practice his rookie third round pick
Savone Revel. So that is great news, indee.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah. Jonathan Mingle also.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Returned to practice after suffering that knee sprain in the
preseason that kind of deleted the beginning of his regular season.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
And now we get to the.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Drama such a love hate love, kind of not like
you kind of love you again relationship that this organization
has with one of its all pro cornerbacks, Jerry Jones
on General manager. Jerry Jones was on one O five
three the Fan yesterday. Now normally he scheduled to speak
before talking Cowboys, but he is for the owners meetings.
(04:01):
They tried to get in contact with him. The connection
was not great as he tried to speak from the plane,
so he ended up speaking around ten thirty.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Those are the kind of problems I want to have. Yeah,
it's the connection is not great for my jets.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Sorry, sorry, world problem. Yeah till the highest degree. I'll
get it fixed next time. Yeah, I'll call you later
when I'm not on my jet. You doing, you know,
is the biggest flex of all time.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Maybe maybe it was somebody else. It's probably ATNT doing
a great job to get him connected once he got
back on the ground.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
It was when he got on the ground he was connecting,
connecting and it was perfect. It was basically facing.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
He needs that connection all the way through satellite phone
just wasn't wasn't hitting it freezing. So when asked about
Trayvon Diggs, let's just a quick recap Trayvon Diggs suffered
a quote unquote accident at his home the Friday preceding
the game against the Who did just mind that?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
So no clarity on what the actual I really just
do that to be petty because I hate that team.
So uh yeah, so no clarity. Uh, there's a lot
of speculation as far as what actually happened. No one
outside of the building knows for sure, and not a
lot of people inside the building. No, no for sure either.
To be honest with you, because I've heard several different things.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
I'm gonna assume it was a cartoon bonk. It was
like an acme Anville like.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, coyote type stuff. Yea, Like he was running playing
with eight and and ate and painted the.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It does painted the highway a railroad into the wall.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Hey, let's go with the don don't said that he
was quote unquote satisfied with the explanation, but he still
will not reveal what the explanation was.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So there's that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But here's where it gets interested. So Brian Schottenheimer on
Monday said that Trevon Diggs showed up in the building,
they took a look at him, and say, hey, you're
not don't look great, my friends, So go back home.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Which is standard procedure. When again call, they bring you in,
they double check, and then they send you home and
yet align with the mandated Yeah, the edge marks along
the way correct.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So that's all, you know, default stuff. Yes, okay, this
is not the quote. There's no reason to dwell dwell
on it anymore here, Okay, that's what it is. Consequently,
what we did see is we played pretty well out there.
I don't know the status of Diggs as we move forward,
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but I feel better about being able to play if
we don't have him out there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
End quote dropped. Mike, I heard that, and.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
That was like, that's not how you typically speak about
one of your cornerstone players who's absent from a game.
And because typically it's injury, you're dealing with injury of
any sort, it's you know, we we were able to
perform out there. We were glad to see that, you know,
the guy stepped up in his absence. We love the
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depth there. Guys took you know, to make the best opportunity,
but can't wait to get him back on the field.
It was quite the dig I feel better that was
nice about being able to play if we don't have
him out there, I outthrow that to the to the panel.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, reactions on that idea.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Yeah, I'll say I don't feel better if he's not
out there. Okay, I'll say that pretty plainly. I think
that's a I think that's a yeah, normal take to
have Trayvon Diggs all pro cornerback. I mean, yeah, I
would love to see him out there. I don't know
exactly the ramifications of why he's not out there, aside from,
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you know, this mysterious injury that he had in his home,
but at least for me outside looking in to this
whole situation, I want him out there.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Of course I do.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Well, I agree with you in the fact that you
need bodies. He hasn't played well this season. I mean
that's just playing and simple. We've talked about that. But
you need guys out there because as we're talking about
the return of Kaylen Carson, with the return of sivone Rebel,
they're not immediately going to go in and take the
type of reps that Trayvon Digs can go in and take.
Whether it's good or bad, and we've seen a little
(08:13):
bit of both from Trayvon this year. So I'm with you.
The the whole situation is muddy. It's all muddy because
like since when since it began?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I mean since since.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Fine, since three days before the opener.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I was maybe rehab.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I was thinking, since a quarter million got you, so
it started, it's already been brewing, Yeah, coming.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
To a head.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Maybe thirteen days mm hmm. What is that deadline? Deadline?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Till the trade deadline?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I believe I was going to assist that, boy wentz.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I believe that once Michael Parsons was was dealt, Yeah,
Trayvon was put on notice.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I didn't say that on this show. I've said it
in conversations.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Sure, once Micah was traded, Trayvon was on notice, and
that was a warning shot to either get in line
or get out. And I believe what you're seeing is
fed upness from the organization, Okay, coming from rehab. Chose
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to do his own thing instead of be with the staff.
They didn't like that, boy, Josh will say, they did
not like that. I don't like those wounds. So consequently
they did what they find them per his contract, right, Okay,
they did what they docked him the pay that was
in the wordage of the contract absolutely which they had
(09:52):
an option to choose.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
To disregard it.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
They chose to.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, they chose to.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
They could have disregarded, but they they made sure that
they slapped him on a hand. Okay, give me that bread.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He didn't like that. They didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
They didn't like what he did, so they did that
training camp, yep.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Number of things.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
That number of things that took place at training camp
that I don't know I was public or not, but
there are some things that they didn't like either, yea.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And even the public stuff in terms of the Micah
deal and how he code negotiating almost at the same.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Time, how he was going and signing signs for pay
Micah and all that. There's some things that were taking
place at training camp that I'm sure that they noticed
that they did not like. Yeah, every time Michael was
in a camera who was in his hip pocket after
the Green Bay game, when Michael was in a camera
who was in his hip pocket?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, things that you notice as an organization that you
may not like.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
His play, to your point hasn't been great now not
justifying his paycheck at this point in time, and you
get the big boy contract. You're getting paid partially for
what you've done, majority for what you continue what they
expect you to continue to do in the future. Hasn't
necessarily done that. He's not the same player he was
pre injury. At least we haven't seen it now.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
We haven't seen it, and we've talked about that even last.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Year at that so we haven't seen it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I'm not gonna tell that man what he can or
can't do, but we have not seen it on film
based upon what he's done in the past.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
To be fair, you could have said that about Ron
Bland pre this last game. Absolutely sure, you haven't seen
him and that's a big part of it too, and
his his outward criticism of the defense and not using
man cover.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
To be fair, we haven't seen Treyemon play. A lot
of say that back Chicago, we saw some.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Man that you saw what happened exactly. So play hasn't
been great.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
So you couple those incidents that are already underlying disruptors
per se, coupled with the fact that they're paying him
a heck of a lot of money to do what
they expect him to do, what he's done in the past, and.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
You're trying to introduce a new culture on top of
all of it, and you have a.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
New decordinator who you're trying to implement. You have a
new head coach and new culture that you're trying to implement.
I will go on record to say that he I
don't believe that he represents what they're trying to do.
I'll state that right just from things that I've seen.
I don't know the man as a person, but from
some of the things that I've seen behind the scenes,
(12:13):
I don't know that he necessarily matches that. But I
think that they're trying to give him opportunity to get
on board, right. That's probably the fairest way to say that.
And I think there were signs that he was trying
to within the building.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
There were times where he was trying to get on board, yes,
but then there was a setback or then there was
there was of course, when he sat out at the
beginning of the Jets game. That was due to something
that happened prior in the week. So there's all little.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Things that players back against the cycle I'm talking, And
had we had.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
A winning record at this point, I think a lot
of those things would be a lot lessened.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I agreed it always it would be a lot quieter
from that side.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
But now, but now the handful of people that are
peavy to the information as to why he did not
partake in practice nor the game last week, I think
you're starting to see the frustration because that is not
how you speak about one of your top three.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Highest paid players on the team. One of Yeah, it's
not how you do it, really, it's not. It's just not.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
So I say, all have to say, that's your history. Okay,
that's your history, and now this is the present thirteen
days and.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
The other part about it, since you're you're bringing up
the trade deadline, and which I think adds another layer
here of how frustrated the front office is. It's not
how you talk about one of your highest paid players
on your roster.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Period.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's also not how you would talk about a guy
that you would want a team to want. Oh, we
feel better about how we can play without him on
the field. That to another team, it devalues what he
could bring to another team too. If you're the Indianapolis Colts,
if you're the Green Bay Packers, if you're the whoever
is out there, that's looking for a corner, and you're saying, oh,
(13:55):
Trayvon Diggs might be on the trade block, but Dallas doesn't.
Later on, I'm the trade deadlines in thirteen days, they're
going to have to make a move at some point
down the line. Why not wait and see what they decide,
and then if he's in waivers, then we don't even
have to give up a sixth or a seventh round pick, which,
by the way, right now is probably the value you
would get back.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
That's probably all you'd get is probably a six or seven.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Absolutely, I don't think and that's even a stretch because
of how this is gone and the play that he's
had on the field, I don't think it would go.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Any further than that.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
And I think you also had a dad right the
comments that you're making out in the public, correct, I
think a Day.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Three pick is all you're getting.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And also you got to keep in mind when you're
if you're the other team having the conversation with the Cowboys, right,
so you're hearing what they're saying about, Oh, well, you know,
we look like we're fine playing without him. So the
other team is like, oh, okay, my my offer is
going to go down and then that other team is
going to look at the fact that I mean just
next year alone, his cap hit is eighteen point four million. Yeah,
(14:52):
so I mean it's almost sixty million in remaining cap
hit over the next three years of the contract. So
assume that they can a new team if they were
to successfully strike the deal for him. They could rework
the country or whatever. But next year, I mean, these are.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Big number and Dallas could get a higher pick. Yeah,
they agreed to take on more of the contract, they
could maybe negotiate a higher pick. Maybe that's how you
get in. I will do selection, but I.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Will say this, I don't think Isaiah's off base. Speaking
from the team component of it. I think he's very
much on base. I will add to that the other
side of the coin in that I sat here on
this on this show. We were out in training camp,
and it was during the Micah thing, and it was
when the trade request was first offered and things started
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to go so poorly between Micah and and the Cowboys,
and I said it, I said, how does this look
from the Trevon Diggs component going forward? Because of how
close those two guys are. If Micah is to be traded.
This was back then. I'll say, if Micah is to
be traded, how does tray Von look at the Cowboys
from that point forward? So it feels like, in conjunction
(16:03):
with what Isaiah is saying on the other side of
that coin, Trayvon isn't too pleased with the team, is
my view of it. So I'm not speaking for Trayvon. Yeah,
this is me speaking the observation, just looking at the
crumbs from the Micah situation falling apart to now, Yes,
you're right, Cale. I've seen a couple of times when
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Trayvon has he's tried to buy in, and he's kind
of like, Okay, all right, let's shake all this off
and let's just let's just go play ball. But then
things like oh, so you're really really gonna keep running zone?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
All right, So I'm jump in front of this camera
and I'm gonna say, yeah, I told him I want
to run more man, okay, and little things like that,
and so ebra Flus then gets in front of the
camera and he's like, I don't like grits. Okay, all right,
I've been doing this long enough to know we're having
war words here are we Okay, so then the public
(16:58):
and that's in the public. So then you look at
the latest thing being the concussion and the fact that
there's no explanation for it that's being provided publicly. But
then even with the people who are saying they're not
going to provide it publicly, you can see, like Kyle said,
the frustration in their face, like neck crack, you know
what I mean, Like when somebody asked you a question,
You're like, I.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Want to talk and different, different than a lot of organizations.
Oftentimes players dictate. Players are valued more than coaches in
a lot of organizations. I don't get that. I don't
believe that's the case here. I believe it with this staff,
with this staff and the way in which the Joneses
(17:38):
have bought in to coch Schottenheimer and what he wants
to do, I believe that they are giving all their chips,
are all in on shody. And if you didn't know that,
then look at the mic of trade. Right, that was
a part of it as well. Right, it wasn't just
a mister Jones thing. I believe that it was a
culture thing which was shoddy. And that's why I said
(17:59):
it was shots fired, Right, warning shot to Trayvon. He's like,
now you got until November fourth to figure out what
you want to do, right, do you want to get
on boardor do you not want to get on board?
And since then, there's been a number of incidents, not one,
there's been a number of things. Some of the things
you just hit on and then you're throwing this last
(18:19):
little little curveballs.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It's built up. It is built up.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
And when then you go out and you have a
positive showing, it affirms what the Joneses might already have
in the back of her head is can we produce without?
That's that's what Jerry said to the met And that's
what exactly what Jerry just said to the meeting. So
now you're you're you got a couple of weeks, your
backs against the deadline. To your point, what is the value?
Does he fit the mode? Deron Bland just got paid.
(18:43):
dB is representative of what they want as and as
a contributor on defense. A premiere corner that does his job,
doesn't do a bunch of hawking, doesn't cause a bunch
of drama, just shows up, performs, gets out the building.
That's what they want, right, I'm sure they'll they'll allow
somebody to have a little bi little mouthy too, but
George Picktson' not not but not cause drama or or
(19:06):
do with it any kind of disrespect. And I'll say this,
we've seen it as of last year right behind the scenes,
there is a disconnect between some players and coaches and
challenging of power in front of the team.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's what we're watching. And now this is this new regime,
they're pretty much saying, yeah, we're not We're not doing
that anymore. Real you can't build a say this. I know,
we got to get to the next thing.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Calvin in the chat, he said they already paid Diggs
pat What did he have to be upset about? Why
do they need to convince him to buy in. I'm
just going to say this to you real quickly. Go
back and look at the Mike situation. Feelings. People will
allow feelings to miss up the bag. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So and I and I say this, I think I
said this on here.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Losing Al Harris was the worst thing that could have
happened for Trevmono.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I think I said it's a while back, so as
we lost Al, I said, that's not we talked about that.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I was like for months and then of course, whenever
it happened in Chicago, whenever that game happened and he's
in Chicago, that was that was a talking point.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Losing Ol.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Owl was a big brother slash mentor slash coach for
the entire room. But some guys need al more than others. Yeah,
I'll put it that way. Trayvon needs ol and he
needs Wright needed out, need it out. And now Nashon
Wright is one of the better performing corners. So the
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mentor's gone his best, he's gone yep okay, and.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
The coach that drafted him is gone to head coach
and the coach that's here, they're not joving, no, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Place for him.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
A lot of different things. Yeah, Deep and Ogage both
not they're just not connecting. Nazi ye I die. So
we'll see how that used to develop. I know a
lot of people are really painting Green Bay as a
landing spot. I think that plays a factor. I think
it's a different NFC North team that.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I was going to do. Yeah, I'm not going to
say I think it would be.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
But I say it's Al Harris. Yeah, that's who's gonna
go get him if I think Al makes a push
for at some point in time, we'll see what the
value is at some point and hopefully it all kind
of subsides, and then he's back on the field and
we'll see what happened. He sean to be like, No,
all right's going so well. I gotta take our first break.
When we come back. We've got some QB vision Cowboys
(21:26):
offense taking on the Denver Broncos defense today. Not good, Isaiah,
not good, bob uhh. We're coming back with QB vision
right after this.
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I've been seeing some good things totally. They have some talent,
you have some great talent, and they got some fight.
Hoping this is the year me too. Oh, I'm Cody.
By the way, I'm Travis.
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Cowboys number one total offense in twenty twenty five three
and ninety yards per game on average.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Is that good?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
It's very good?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Sounds good?
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Sounds good?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
How about this though? Good on good? The Broncos have
the top four ranked scoring defense and total defense eighteen
points per game, which is fourth in the league, two
hundred and seventy three yards allowed on average, which is
third in the league. So you got a top offense
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versus a top defense, which means this is gonna be
a top edition of.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Why Eddie, Why Lady? Cut up?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
It's time for QB vision with Isaiah's standback. Hey guy,
we can't here we go.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I'm gonna come off the top rope right now?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Oh yeah, do it. I don't like already do that
in the first was it just Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I don't like this. I don't like this.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
That's not off. It feels like you're getting out of
the ring.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Rope.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
They already ring the bell. I am at the tables.
I ambles. I am excited to see what this offense is. Yeah,
what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
They're number one in the in the league.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
I am excited to see what this offense is versus
a defense that can match up Manda.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Man, there you go. This is going to be a challenge.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I'm not saying that Dallas cannot overcome this challenge or
meet this challenge. I'm just saying my bubble guts are
bubbling on a Wednesday like Pops on next Friday.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Stan, you don't get up. Listen these guys. They're nice.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
You can look at the stats, and the stats will
talk to you, and I'll let the rest of my
my comrades speak on all the great analytics that Denver.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Has just we got a bunch of them. Yeah, there's
a bunch of them. I'll allow that.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Let's just talk about it in general because there's too
many good players to start identifying individuals.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
They're that good.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Good news, good news. I don't know if you hit
on this yet. You want to do you want to
tell people the good news?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Drake Greenlaw, Yeah, Drake Greenlaw did a.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Very stupid thing, really really dumb, and he was slapt
on the wrist with a one game suspension.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
He did appeal and.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Saw the video it's pretty games, I'm gonna go curse
out the referee and he appealed and shaped him down
to the leftis that was celebrating, yes, and went to
go curse out the referee.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So what Yeah, he appealed in Big Road said you know,
you can get the hell out of my office, so.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Dre Greenlaw will not be on it.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
That is huge, Yeah, that is huge. And I can't
understand that Drake Greenlaw is one of the best linebackers
in football.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
But what sucks is that their depth is their depth,
saying stupid, insane. They have starters everywhere.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Stupid.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
On paper, this team is amazing. We know about teams
that look great on paper, but can they perform, Yes,
they can so. On paper it looked really good and
now in the game it looks really good. This is
a three four based defense. That means they have three
down linemen for linebackers, and they have the corners that
can guard you man to man. They don't give a
dog on what type of football you want to play.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Don't give it damn.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
They will meet you right. They have all the shoes
in the trunk. They'll pop the trunk, put on whatever
they need. Shoes they got, they got spikes, they got
whatever you need. They've got the cap shoes that we
wore back in the day. I don't even know if
you guys want to talk about wild players. I mean
I can go across the court for their who d
line Zach Allen Nice he's at the end position. DJ Jones,
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big nose tackle. This dude will put your center in
the in your lap as a quarterback. Franklin Meyer's hard
worker Cooper number zero outside linebacker, freaking motor out of
this freaking world power.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, just oh my goodness, the strong, the main guy.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
I guess you have to say, if you had to
pick one, is Nick Benito number fifteen or the defensive
end who will be lined up over Tyler Guiden.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
He's a dog.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
He's a freaking pit bull mixed with Rot Wilder mixed
with Cane Corso. Yes, his get off the monster is insane.
If you run the same snap count, he will get it.
Understand it, predicted and anticipated. Every single time there is
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plays that I was watching on the platform that I use,
I could I could literally filter out all whatever I'm
looking for. So like, for instance, they have twenty nine sacks,
I said, let me watch every single sack Nick Benito
at times was teams that runs shotgun like Dallas. By
the time the quarterback caught the ball and got his
back foot set, Nick Bedino was.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Four yards in the backfield. I don't like that. Like
it's it's it is consistent. This isn't just okay.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Every so often their dns are getting up they're outside
linebacker aka dns. They're up the field, and then they're
spinning back and then they're pressing your tackles at me.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
There's pressure.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Man.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
The entire defense plays with an edge. They play with speed.
They play with a violence that starts from the inside
defensive linement all the way out to their rush outside
linebacker slash dns. Their corners are lanky, they're freaking long.
Go go gadget arms. Okay, Dawson, would you say.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yoga? Yep? Man, listen.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
So I mean like they coverage wise, yeah, I mean
they're gonna bring pressure. This is one one of the
highest pressure teams in the league. And the way in
which they bring pressure. Think about you know what everybody
here in Dallas Country loved about Mike zimmer Double a gap, right,
everybody lining up the line of scrimmage, who's coming, who's
not coming? Defensive ends are really wide. They put a
lot of stress on the communication and the responsibilities of
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your offensive lineman. If I'm a tackle, I'm gonna have
two guys lined up outside of me. Which one am
I turning to? Right Now, I have a defensive end
who now crosses my face. I have to take him. Okay,
Now I'm leaving the outside guy free to go run
at dock. They do stuff like that all the time.
They screw with your responsibilities. Once they understand what your
past blocking responsibilities are, they make it very difficult running backs.
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You gotta keep your head on a swivel because you
really don't know who's coming. Your responsibility is going to
go from the a gap guy walked up in the
gap all the way to the guy who's three or
four yards outside the defensive end. So they put a
lot of stress on those guys in the past blocking
scheme which don't allow them to get out to be
an outlet.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
The teams that have had success.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I know you're a lot of a lot of people
a gonna hear me and say, oh, he's making any
out Like these guys are world beaters.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Okay, yeah, they're really they're really good.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Can I can I back up your point here with
the analytics side, because you're talking film here, I'm talking
straight numbers Broncos pass rush this year and where they
rank in the NFL. Would you like to take a
guess where they rank in terms of sacks? Sacks one
one their first? How about quarterback hits one? Also first
quarterback pressures one they're first. Sensing a trend here quarterback
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pressure percentage number one. Players with three or more sacks
number one. Then you go to the individual stuff, most
quarterback hits in the league. Zach Allen leads with eighteen
out of anybody in the NWN. Yeah, that's and then
you've got Nick Bedino with seventeen that are right there
at the top two in the league. Crazy they get
after you.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I mean I'm looking at the advanced portion of that.
This is next g insteps to back up Coyle's point.
That's backing up Isaiah's point saying my stats aren't advanced. No,
I'm saying they are. Let's advance the advance. It's because
I know that's from the So just nixt gin shoutout
to the next gen. Twelve point eight percent sack percentage
number one in the league. Uh sec EPA minus fifty
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four point nine, number one in the league by a
large margin. Second places the Rams at forty nine. Like
you're five points higher than second place. They're going to
get after you, Dak And.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
To piggyback up when we're talking about depth in terms
of the trifecta. Backup against the Giants, the Broncos had
thirteen different pass rushers generate pressure on Jackson. So it's
everywhere thirteen different passes.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Play on the field, Bro, they're only eleven.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Dude, what are you doing coming from everywhere? Secondary?
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Green law it really Like seriously, I say all this
to say, okay, they get after Okay, so they get
out of the quarterback and he got sacked. They only
have a handful of interceptions. Don't be encouraged by that.
Don't be encouraged by that. This is probably this is
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arguably the best secondary in the league. Arguably the best
secondary of the league. They arguably the best corner in
the league.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
He's Defensive Player of the Year last year for a reason,
for a freaking reason.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Passer ten the second their safeties just freaking Brandon Jones
is lightning in a bottle.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
He's all over the preaking place. He can cover, he
can cover.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
He'll come up and play your your your your slot
if you want to. And then uh Telenoa Hufanga, freaking
heat seeking missile.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
I don't know how the Niners let him go, Bro,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
He just think about Troy Polamalu reincarnated. That's what he is.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
So physical, Like seriously, like he's I'm not saying, but
he's he's what's the best way of saying, I don't
even know Bro.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Anyways, he's a dog. He's a dog.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
He's two point zero coverage wise. These guys want to
play single highest safety. They want to have a guy
in the box. They will do a lot of invert to.
They'll still they will almost say the bad word. They
will mess with Dak in terms of what the coverage is.
You know what I was gonna say on the show, Yeah,
exactly say that one. Yeah, I'll be definitely an in
principle that one. It's difficult, man, I don't know. I
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don't know where else to go with it. I'll see
you guys back it up with stats. They're they're they're
multiple in their looks, They're multiple with their guys that
can impact you. This is not a team where you
can say, Okay, I'm gonna shut down Josh Rodriguez.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
And we're good.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Yeah everybody, Yeah, and I mean and I literally mean
anybody and everybody can hurt you. The fact that Drake
Greenlaw is not there is a freaking blessing. But trust
and belief somebody is ready to step up.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
They're all entirely capable and uh when again, looking at
the stats here they use man coverage at the highest
rate of any team in the NFL, and the parody's
real guys. Two years ago, the Broncos got seventy points
scored on them against the Miami Dolphins. It is a
much different story now. The Dolphins are drowning and the
Broncos are one of the most feared defenses in the
NFL currently. It's insane the turnaround that they have got
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the personnel.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
They went out and got all their guys. They got
their guys, and.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
That's the thing is a lot of these names are
familiar because they were successful in other plays. And of
course San Francisco had a couple of those guys that
have played well. DJ Jones and Hafunga and those.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Guys green Law, Green Laws. Jesus the.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Forgot about him.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, so you gotta go pay your quarterback. You don't
got to worry about Itim this week gets all.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I'm taking him. I'm taking him.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I'm taking him.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Gimme who deserves the credit, because I mean, of course
you've got the the GM there uh in George Patten,
who helped put this all together. But you've got Sean
Payton as the head coach, You've got Vance Joseph as
the defensive coordinator for turning that all around from two
years ago where they were getting seventy burgers put on them.
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Now it's one of the best defenses, if not the
best defense for them to.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
Stick with Vance after as a head coach, and then
I think he leaves for a year, comes back, and
then they stick with it after Sean Bayton comes back.
Oh yeah, he was fired.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Was probably fired. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
It was a bad season, yeah, unless they played Cowboys forever.
Reason that was uh, that was right, That was Vic Fangio.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
But to see him come back and them still with Vance, yeah,
and Sean Payton had that trust in them to rebuild
this defense to becoming again, like I said, one of
the most feared defenses currently in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It's amazing. I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I'm just flat out excited to see this match and
for every reason that we're all saying, Because just understand,
the Broncos are just damn good at playing defense at
all three levels, and they're all so fantastic at just
redirecting the quarterback's eyes and misdirection, pre playing at the
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snap and whatnot. But then keep in mind the personnel.
So a lot of people are going to look at
the secondary and like you said, they have a damn
good secondary. But most people are saying, well, all they
have is Patrick Sartan. No, sir, no, sir, let me
tell you about this Riley Moss guy. Okay, teams throw
away from certain because teams are not dumb. You throw
away from certain But when you're doing that, more often
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than not, who you're throwing at Riley Moss. So Riley
Moss has been targeted twenty a little over twenty percent
of the time. That's fourth highest rate in the entire
league for anyone with at least one hundred snaps. Okay, Now,
Moss has allowed a completion percentage of only forty two
and a half let's set forty three percent and coverage
that's the second lowest of.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Any defender in the league.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
So you're throwing away from certain which is smart, but
don't sleep on Riley Moss's ability to stay in the
hip pocket of your receiver. But this is why I'm
excited about it though, because, like you mentioned at the
top of this segment, this is the unstoppable force meets
the immovable object type situation White literally this is certain
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and Moss versus Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens with an
MVP candidate and Dak Prescott throwing in the ball and
a release valve. In the scene with Jake Ferguson, they
have linebackers who can play yes like this is gonna
be fun.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I want to give a couple of things the reason
why we do it on the other side of the break. Yeah, okay,
let's take our second break. Isaiah's coming back with a
couple more things.
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I watched.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I've been seeing some good things totally. They have some talent.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You have some great talent, and they got some fight
hoping this is the year me too. Oh, I'm Cody.
By the way, I'm Travis.
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number one defense for all.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
And I know people in the comments have said that
we're glazing these guys. We are, we are You might
want to respect them. Turn on the film. If you
guys haven't everybody has.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I'm not glazing, not using anybody.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
I'm pouring all the glazes because you better understand exactly
who the heck you're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
What respect them because they're damn good. Yeah. Yeah, offensively,
you shouldn't be surprised on Sunday. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
So defensively, sorry, defensively, they only have a handful of
interceptions because they're so sticky on defense with the glades
that quarterbacks are not throwing them. They're not throwing it right,
they're not throwing it win under pressure because the pressure
is getting there so fast, they're taking sacks. So the
reason why they're so high statistically in terms of sacks
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and so low in terms of interceptions is because the
quarterbacks are under durest.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Immediately, Yes, you've got your question is Isiah, Yeah, prick.
Here's here's what bodes well for the Cowboys against what
you just said. Dak Prescott gets the ball out real quick. Absolutely, absolutely,
he got the ball out real quick, and.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
He's got multiple options.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
He's got multiple options, left, right, middle, multiple options. This
is also going to be a key game. Let's just
score ahead and say it. This needs to be the
javan Javonte Williams review. Yes, we believe in Javonte Williams
needs to absolutely go off in this game. That will
neutralize or at least help to neutralize the insane pass
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rush that we know that the Denver Broncos have. That
will also keep the corners playing honest because they're going
to have to play and run defense and run support.
So that's going to wear them down a little bit.
And then you have to figure out play action at
that point, because now you have to respect it. And
once you respect it, what is Dak Prescott really good at?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Really good to play action? Okay?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
So between the time to throw that Dak Prescott excels
in and if Javonte Williams can have a revenge game okay,
or even.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
Just you say it again, which one say his name,
oh and he appears, I believe in Gavonte.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
That time. There we go. So let me get a
song going, so.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
A song for him, and I will say the Cowboys
have they do have the personnel to combat this.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
The touchdowns that Denver has given up in the passing
game have all I would say all eighty percent of
them have occurred on their linebackers, So understand the underneath coverage.
If you can get guys out mainly outside the numbers,
it's where these things have occurred. As I went back
and why your touchdowns that they gave up underneath coverage
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outside the numbers, beating them across the formation, that's where
they have lost in terms of their.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Touchdown and Dallas has been very good at that throughout
the season because of the weapons that they have and
how they utilize those weapons too. So there's a chance
to get some and get some production.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Get you, get yourself, get yourself. Just curious.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
Are you guys worried at all that they might have
the but I think they do. Do you think that
they have the ability to take away Ceedee Lamb or
George picks in this game?
Speaker 5 (43:31):
I think it's gonna be that this would be the
most difficulty for both of those guys or one or
the What the thing is, you got to take risks.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
So if you're gonna try to get the ball to
those guys, you got to shoot it. You got to
take you shot. It's gonna be fifty fifty balls.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
Are you willing to do a fifty fifty ball versus
what they have out there and they're gonna go man,
and that'swers.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah right, you believe you're a guy answers.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
But it still is a fifty to fifty ball, and
I want to emphasize that. So the biggest thing is
to you guys' point, if you can get the run
game going, then all the misdirection that shot he bodes well.
And if you can get misdirection going, then these guys
have to hit their breaks. They have to hit their
e breaks. They can't come and get after your quarterback
because they are now responsible for their guys getting out.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens probably each have fifty yards
or more in this game. If Javonte Williams establishes the
run early, yes, if they're able to get it going
in the initial part. You look at what Dak Prescott
has done this season, and really over the last four weeks,
He's had four straight games with three passing touchdowns no
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interceptions in the same game four straight weeks. That's the
second longest streak since the NFL merger, only behind Russell
Wilson back in twenty fifteen, who had five games NRO.
But you look at the teams that they played in
those four games Green Bay defensively, that's probably the toughest
task over the four games because then they played the Jets,
the Panthers, and the Commanders in those four games. This
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is a different animal. Yes, completely, it's a Bronco and
I think, sorry, Dale good rather than a Panther. Yeah,
that's funny, that is too good. But now I'm all
thrown off. With all that being said, I don't know
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if he's gonna have that same level of efficiency because
they do man up so well on the outside, because
he's going to have interior defensive line pressure in this game.
It's gonna come from the edge, it's gonna be on
the inside. It's gonna happen either way. There's gonna be
interior pressure forced by Denver and that's going to challenge
Dak Prescott. There's going to be a mistake at some
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point in.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
The same and before we get out of it, the
one thing that we have to we have not addressed
because everybody's going to have an argument against it.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Well, how did the Giants do so well against him?
They made plays.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
They made a lot of plays, like some of the
most contested catches that you can never imagine Jackson Dart
threw it up there and his guys when got the
freaking ball. These were not high percentage passes, and Scattaboy
was not afraid. He afraid either, Like Scott again going
across the formation of Scattaboo got it right and talking
about screenplays and is of that nature. You can use
their aggressiveness against them, but you have to be in
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position to be a threat.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
In that regard.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
The good thing is you have the personnel to do
exactly what you just said the Giants did. You have
guys who can make the place get the fifty to
fifty balls, and you have a running back who not
necessarily inspired scatable. But Javante is a bully dude, and
jargon is going in there. And this is the same
Broncos team that didn't feel that he had anything left say.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
It again, Yeah, should we believe in Javante?
Speaker 3 (46:29):
We believe in Javonte.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
So yes, Javonte Williams, go have yourself a day and
everything else will play.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Off of that.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
I think this is the edge to the Cowboys for me,
in this one wow edge to the Cowboys. Everything we're
saying is one hundred percent true about the Broncos. This
is going to be the Cowboys biggest test of the season.
But if Javonte can do what he what he wants
to do, everything plays off of that.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I think. And we'll preview, of course, the Dallas defense
versus Bownecks, and I.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Know that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
The edge right now, Cowboys offense versus Broncos defense slight
edge to Cowboys offense.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
We'll talk about the others.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
I was about to say, if you have if you
have a chance in this game, the Cowboys need to
have the edge in this matchup, specifically the offense versus
the Denver Broncos defense.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
You guys are brilliant.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
If you know, you know, all right, We're gonna get
out of here on talking Cowboys. Thanks for joining us.
I hope you had some fun. For those that don't know,
for those that don't know, say his name, I hope
you had some fun over the last forty five minutes.
We'll be back tomorrow. We're gonna preview the Dallas defense
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offense tomorrow. That'll be an interesting matchup as well for
Patrick No S Walker for Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah stand back
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Isaiah?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
We're about to talk about the Broncos defense versus the
Cowboys offense. I feel like we have the KOI, Josh
and no Ce.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Oh you don't have the coy Why is that?
Speaker 6 (01:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm just feeling. Thirty seconds into that, I'm just feeling
the vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Kyle relating accusations I think it's called projection.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
No no, no, no no no, Josh is Ky, I'm
not koy. It's coy. John. I'm not excited to talk
about this today, but I'm not koy. Are they gonna
win again?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Nice hat, but you sound like you sound like a
Sesame Street character.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The all Black version. Yeah, you like it?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
H I like that.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
I like that hat.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, Josha Lagus, josh O Lefogus. Well that's what it
sounds like, Josh he said, he sounded like Street.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
He called me bird that one on the long trunk.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
Yeah, my mom used to call me that because my
eyelashes go straight down like cover my eyeball.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I don't if you has noticed that I have not
seen in the camp. Uh yeah hd HD you know.
Speaker 7 (02:02):
Also shove some my mom.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
She had a birthday this week to.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Birthday, hot up, love you about that.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
We've got plenty to talk about today. It's our offensive
preview going up against the Denver defense, which might be
one of the tougher defenses Dallas has faced here on
the twenty twenty five season. They're pretty good. Yeah, they're legit,
though they did give up thirty two points against the
Giants the other day.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
But we'll talk about that. Yeah, we'll talk about We'll
talk about that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And then they gave up the Giants gave up thirty
three points in the fourth quarter. Yeah, yeah, historic comeback stuff.
All right, Patrick, News and notes, let's get right into it.
Busy day today, and there was a little bit to
talk about from yesterday, even though the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Weren't on the practice field. Some drama a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yea drama on a day off only oh, like what
just stirring it up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, Well, let's start with the fact that again just
to recap the guys that are returning to practice from
IR today, headlined by Agent zero.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Gotta feel good about that.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Maryon Overshan will take the practice field today for the
first time since suffering his torn acl last year. Also,
Cooper beebe starting center, will return to practice and making
his debut at Cowboys practice his rookie third round pick
Savone Revel. So that is great news, indee.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah. Jonathan Mingle also.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Returned to practice after suffering that knee sprain in the
preseason that kind of deleted the beginning of his regular season.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
And now we get to the.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Drama such a love hate love, kind of not like
you kind of love you again relationship that this organization
has with one of its all pro cornerbacks, Jerry Jones
on General manager. Jerry Jones was on one O five
three the Fan yesterday. Now normally he scheduled to speak
before talking Cowboys, but he is for the owners meetings.
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They tried to get in contact with him. The connection
was not great as he tried to speak from the plane,
so he ended up speaking around ten thirty.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Those are the kind of problems I want to have. Yeah,
it's the connection is not great for my jets.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Sorry, sorry, world problem. Yeah till the highest degree. I'll
get it fixed next time. Yeah, I'll call you later
when I'm not on my jet. You doing, you know,
is the biggest flex of all time.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Maybe maybe it was somebody else. It's probably ATNT doing
a great job to get him connected once he got
back on the ground.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
It was when he got on the ground he was connecting,
connecting and it was perfect. It was basically facing.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
He needs that connection all the way through satellite phone
just wasn't wasn't hitting it freezing. So when asked about
Trayvon Diggs, let's just a quick recap Trayvon Diggs suffered
a quote unquote accident at his home the Friday preceding
the game against the Who did just mind that?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
So no clarity on what the actual I really just
do that to be petty because I hate that team.
So uh yeah, so no clarity. Uh, there's a lot
of speculation as far as what actually happened. No one
outside of the building knows for sure, and not a
lot of people inside the building. No, no for sure either.
To be honest with you, because I've heard several different things.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
I'm gonna assume it was a cartoon bonk. It was
like an acme Anville like.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, coyote type stuff. Yea, Like he was running playing
with eight and and ate and painted the.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It does painted the highway a railroad into the wall.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Hey, let's go with the don don't said that he
was quote unquote satisfied with the explanation, but he still
will not reveal what the explanation was.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So there's that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But here's where it gets interested. So Brian Schottenheimer on
Monday said that Trevon Diggs showed up in the building,
they took a look at him, and say, hey, you're
not don't look great, my friends, So go back home.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Which is standard procedure. When again call, they bring you in,
they double check, and then they send you home and
yet align with the mandated Yeah, the edge marks along
the way correct.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So that's all, you know, default stuff. Yes, okay, this
is not the quote. There's no reason to dwell dwell
on it anymore here, Okay, that's what it is. Consequently,
what we did see is we played pretty well out there.
I don't know the status of Diggs as we move forward,
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but I feel better about being able to play if
we don't have him out there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
End quote dropped. Mike, I heard that, and.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
That was like, that's not how you typically speak about
one of your cornerstone players who's absent from a game.
And because typically it's injury, you're dealing with injury of
any sort, it's you know, we we were able to
perform out there. We were glad to see that, you know,
the guy stepped up in his absence. We love the
(07:02):
depth there. Guys took you know, to make the best opportunity,
but can't wait to get him back on the field.
It was quite the dig I feel better that was
nice about being able to play if we don't have
him out there, I outthrow that to the to the panel.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, reactions on that idea.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Yeah, I'll say I don't feel better if he's not
out there. Okay, I'll say that pretty plainly. I think
that's a I think that's a yeah, normal take to
have Trayvon Diggs all pro cornerback. I mean, yeah, I
would love to see him out there. I don't know
exactly the ramifications of why he's not out there, aside from,
(07:44):
you know, this mysterious injury that he had in his home,
but at least for me outside looking in to this
whole situation, I want him out there.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Of course I do.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Well, I agree with you in the fact that you
need bodies. He hasn't played well this season. I mean
that's just playing and simple. We've talked about that. But
you need guys out there because as we're talking about
the return of Kaylen Carson, with the return of sivone Rebel,
they're not immediately going to go in and take the
type of reps that Trayvon Digs can go in and take.
Whether it's good or bad, and we've seen a little
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bit of both from Trayvon this year. So I'm with you.
The the whole situation is muddy. It's all muddy because
like since when since it began?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I mean since since.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Fine, since three days before the opener.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I was maybe rehab.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I was thinking, since a quarter million got you, so
it started, it's already been brewing, Yeah, coming.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
To a head.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Maybe thirteen days mm hmm. What is that deadline? Deadline?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Till the trade deadline?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I believe I was going to assist that, boy wentz.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I believe that once Michael Parsons was was dealt, Yeah,
Trayvon was put on notice.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I didn't say that on this show. I've said it
in conversations.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Sure, once Micah was traded, Trayvon was on notice, and
that was a warning shot to either get in line
or get out. And I believe what you're seeing is
fed upness from the organization, Okay, coming from rehab. Chose
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to do his own thing instead of be with the staff.
They didn't like that, boy, Josh will say, they did
not like that. I don't like those wounds. So consequently
they did what they find them per his contract, right, Okay,
they did what they docked him the pay that was
in the wordage of the contract absolutely which they had
(09:52):
an option to choose.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
To disregard it.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
They chose to.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, they chose to.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
They could have disregarded, but they they made sure that
they slapped him on a hand. Okay, give me that bread.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He didn't like that. They didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
They didn't like what he did, so they did that
training camp, yep.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Number of things.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
That number of things that took place at training camp
that I don't know I was public or not, but
there are some things that they didn't like either, yea.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And even the public stuff in terms of the Micah
deal and how he code negotiating almost at the same.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Time, how he was going and signing signs for pay
Micah and all that. There's some things that were taking
place at training camp that I'm sure that they noticed
that they did not like. Yeah, every time Michael was
in a camera who was in his hip pocket after
the Green Bay game, when Michael was in a camera
who was in his hip pocket?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, things that you notice as an organization that you
may not like.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
His play, to your point hasn't been great now not
justifying his paycheck at this point in time, and you
get the big boy contract. You're getting paid partially for
what you've done, majority for what you continue what they
expect you to continue to do in the future. Hasn't
necessarily done that. He's not the same player he was
pre injury. At least we haven't seen it now.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
We haven't seen it, and we've talked about that even last.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Year at that so we haven't seen it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I'm not gonna tell that man what he can or
can't do, but we have not seen it on film
based upon what he's done in the past.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
To be fair, you could have said that about Ron
Bland pre this last game. Absolutely sure, you haven't seen
him and that's a big part of it too, and
his his outward criticism of the defense and not using
man cover.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
To be fair, we haven't seen Treyemon play. A lot
of say that back Chicago, we saw some.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Man that you saw what happened exactly. So play hasn't
been great.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
So you couple those incidents that are already underlying disruptors
per se, coupled with the fact that they're paying him
a heck of a lot of money to do what
they expect him to do, what he's done in the past, and.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
You're trying to introduce a new culture on top of
all of it, and you have a.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
New decordinator who you're trying to implement. You have a
new head coach and new culture that you're trying to implement.
I will go on record to say that he I
don't believe that he represents what they're trying to do.
I'll state that right just from things that I've seen.
I don't know the man as a person, but from
some of the things that I've seen behind the scenes,
(12:13):
I don't know that he necessarily matches that. But I
think that they're trying to give him opportunity to get
on board, right. That's probably the fairest way to say that.
And I think there were signs that he was trying
to within the building.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
There were times where he was trying to get on board, yes,
but then there was a setback or then there was
there was of course, when he sat out at the
beginning of the Jets game. That was due to something
that happened prior in the week. So there's all little.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Things that players back against the cycle I'm talking, And
had we had.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
A winning record at this point, I think a lot
of those things would be a lot lessened.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I agreed it always it would be a lot quieter
from that side.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
But now, but now the handful of people that are
peavy to the information as to why he did not
partake in practice nor the game last week, I think
you're starting to see the frustration because that is not
how you speak about one of your top three.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Highest paid players on the team. One of Yeah, it's
not how you do it, really, it's not. It's just not.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
So I say, all have to say, that's your history. Okay,
that's your history, and now this is the present thirteen
days and.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
The other part about it, since you're you're bringing up
the trade deadline, and which I think adds another layer
here of how frustrated the front office is. It's not
how you talk about one of your highest paid players
on your roster.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Period.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's also not how you would talk about a guy
that you would want a team to want. Oh, we
feel better about how we can play without him on
the field. That to another team, it devalues what he
could bring to another team too. If you're the Indianapolis Colts,
if you're the Green Bay Packers, if you're the whoever
is out there, that's looking for a corner, and you're saying, oh,
(13:55):
Trayvon Diggs might be on the trade block, but Dallas doesn't.
Later on, I'm the trade deadlines in thirteen days, they're
going to have to make a move at some point
down the line. Why not wait and see what they decide,
and then if he's in waivers, then we don't even
have to give up a sixth or a seventh round pick, which,
by the way, right now is probably the value you
would get back.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
That's probably all you'd get is probably a six or seven.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Absolutely, I don't think and that's even a stretch because
of how this is gone and the play that he's
had on the field, I don't think it would go.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Any further than that.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
And I think you also had a dad right the
comments that you're making out in the public, correct, I
think a Day.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Three pick is all you're getting.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And also you got to keep in mind when you're
if you're the other team having the conversation with the Cowboys, right,
so you're hearing what they're saying about, Oh, well, you know,
we look like we're fine playing without him. So the
other team is like, oh, okay, my my offer is
going to go down and then that other team is
going to look at the fact that I mean just
next year alone, his cap hit is eighteen point four million. Yeah,
(14:52):
so I mean it's almost sixty million in remaining cap
hit over the next three years of the contract. So
assume that they can a new team if they were
to successfully strike the deal for him. They could rework
the country or whatever. But next year, I mean, these are.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Big number and Dallas could get a higher pick. Yeah,
they agreed to take on more of the contract, they
could maybe negotiate a higher pick. Maybe that's how you
get in. I will do selection, but I.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Will say this, I don't think Isaiah's off base. Speaking
from the team component of it. I think he's very
much on base. I will add to that the other
side of the coin in that I sat here on
this on this show. We were out in training camp,
and it was during the Micah thing, and it was
when the trade request was first offered and things started
(15:39):
to go so poorly between Micah and and the Cowboys,
and I said it, I said, how does this look
from the Trevon Diggs component going forward? Because of how
close those two guys are. If Micah is to be traded.
This was back then. I'll say, if Micah is to
be traded, how does tray Von look at the Cowboys
from that point forward? So it feels like, in conjunction
(16:03):
with what Isaiah is saying on the other side of
that coin, Trayvon isn't too pleased with the team, is
my view of it. So I'm not speaking for Trayvon. Yeah,
this is me speaking the observation, just looking at the
crumbs from the Micah situation falling apart to now, Yes,
you're right, Cale. I've seen a couple of times when
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Trayvon has he's tried to buy in, and he's kind
of like, Okay, all right, let's shake all this off
and let's just let's just go play ball. But then
things like oh, so you're really really gonna keep running zone?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
All right, So I'm jump in front of this camera
and I'm gonna say, yeah, I told him I want
to run more man, okay, and little things like that,
and so ebra Flus then gets in front of the
camera and he's like, I don't like grits. Okay, all right,
I've been doing this long enough to know we're having
war words here are we Okay, so then the public
(16:58):
and that's in the public. So then you look at
the latest thing being the concussion and the fact that
there's no explanation for it that's being provided publicly. But
then even with the people who are saying they're not
going to provide it publicly, you can see, like Kyle said,
the frustration in their face, like neck crack, you know
what I mean, Like when somebody asked you a question,
You're like, I.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Want to talk and different, different than a lot of organizations.
Oftentimes players dictate. Players are valued more than coaches in
a lot of organizations. I don't get that. I don't
believe that's the case here. I believe it with this staff,
with this staff and the way in which the Joneses
(17:38):
have bought in to coch Schottenheimer and what he wants
to do, I believe that they are giving all their chips,
are all in on shody. And if you didn't know that,
then look at the mic of trade. Right, that was
a part of it as well. Right, it wasn't just
a mister Jones thing. I believe that it was a
culture thing which was shoddy. And that's why I said
(17:59):
it was shots fired, Right, warning shot to Trayvon. He's like,
now you got until November fourth to figure out what
you want to do, right, do you want to get
on boardor do you not want to get on board?
And since then, there's been a number of incidents, not one,
there's been a number of things. Some of the things
you just hit on and then you're throwing this last
(18:19):
little little curveballs.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It's built up. It is built up.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
And when then you go out and you have a
positive showing, it affirms what the Joneses might already have
in the back of her head is can we produce without?
That's that's what Jerry said to the met And that's
what exactly what Jerry just said to the meeting. So
now you're you're you got a couple of weeks, your
backs against the deadline. To your point, what is the value?
Does he fit the mode? Deron Bland just got paid.
(18:43):
dB is representative of what they want as and as
a contributor on defense. A premiere corner that does his job,
doesn't do a bunch of hawking, doesn't cause a bunch
of drama, just shows up, performs, gets out the building.
That's what they want, right, I'm sure they'll they'll allow
somebody to have a little bi little mouthy too, but
George Picktson' not not but not cause drama or or
(19:06):
do with it any kind of disrespect. And I'll say this,
we've seen it as of last year right behind the scenes,
there is a disconnect between some players and coaches and
challenging of power in front of the team.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's what we're watching. And now this is this new regime,
they're pretty much saying, yeah, we're not We're not doing
that anymore. Real you can't build a say this. I know,
we got to get to the next thing.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Calvin in the chat, he said they already paid Diggs
pat What did he have to be upset about? Why
do they need to convince him to buy in. I'm
just going to say this to you real quickly. Go
back and look at the Mike situation. Feelings. People will
allow feelings to miss up the bag. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So and I and I say this, I think I
said this on here.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Losing Al Harris was the worst thing that could have
happened for Trevmono.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I think I said it's a while back, so as
we lost Al, I said, that's not we talked about that.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I was like for months and then of course, whenever
it happened in Chicago, whenever that game happened and he's
in Chicago, that was that was a talking point.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Losing Ol.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Owl was a big brother slash mentor slash coach for
the entire room. But some guys need al more than others. Yeah,
I'll put it that way. Trayvon needs ol and he
needs Wright needed out, need it out. And now Nashon
Wright is one of the better performing corners. So the
(20:34):
mentor's gone his best, he's gone yep okay, and.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
The coach that drafted him is gone to head coach
and the coach that's here, they're not joving, no, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Place for him.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
A lot of different things. Yeah, Deep and Ogage both
not they're just not connecting. Nazi ye I die. So
we'll see how that used to develop. I know a
lot of people are really painting Green Bay as a
landing spot. I think that plays a factor. I think
it's a different NFC North team that.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I was going to do. Yeah, I'm not going to
say I think it would be.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
But I say it's Al Harris. Yeah, that's who's gonna
go get him if I think Al makes a push
for at some point in time, we'll see what the
value is at some point and hopefully it all kind
of subsides, and then he's back on the field and
we'll see what happened. He sean to be like, No,
all right's going so well. I gotta take our first break.
When we come back. We've got some QB vision Cowboys
(21:26):
offense taking on the Denver Broncos defense today. Not good, Isaiah,
not good, bob uhh. We're coming back with QB vision
right after this.
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Cowboys number one total offense in twenty twenty five three
and ninety yards per game on average.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Is that good?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
It's very good?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Sounds good?
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Sounds good?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
How about this though? Good on good? The Broncos have
the top four ranked scoring defense and total defense eighteen
points per game, which is fourth in the league, two
hundred and seventy three yards allowed on average, which is
third in the league. So you got a top offense
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versus a top defense, which means this is gonna be
a top edition of.
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Why Eddie, Why Lady? Cut up?
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It's time for QB vision with Isaiah's standback. Hey guy,
we can't here we go.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I'm gonna come off the top rope right now?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Oh yeah, do it. I don't like already do that
in the first was it just Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I don't like this. I don't like this.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
That's not off. It feels like you're getting out of
the ring.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Rope.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
They already ring the bell. I am at the tables.
I ambles. I am excited to see what this offense is. Yeah,
what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
They're number one in the in the league.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
I am excited to see what this offense is versus
a defense that can match up Manda.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Man, there you go. This is going to be a challenge.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I'm not saying that Dallas cannot overcome this challenge or
meet this challenge. I'm just saying my bubble guts are
bubbling on a Wednesday like Pops on next Friday.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Stan, you don't get up. Listen these guys. They're nice.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
You can look at the stats, and the stats will
talk to you, and I'll let the rest of my
my comrades speak on all the great analytics that Denver.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Has just we got a bunch of them. Yeah, there's
a bunch of them. I'll allow that.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Let's just talk about it in general because there's too
many good players to start identifying individuals.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
They're that good.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Good news, good news. I don't know if you hit
on this yet. You want to do you want to
tell people the good news?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Drake Greenlaw, Yeah, Drake Greenlaw did a.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Very stupid thing, really really dumb, and he was slapt
on the wrist with a one game suspension.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
He did appeal and.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Saw the video it's pretty games, I'm gonna go curse
out the referee and he appealed and shaped him down
to the leftis that was celebrating, yes, and went to
go curse out the referee.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So what Yeah, he appealed in Big Road said you know,
you can get the hell out of my office, so.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Dre Greenlaw will not be on it.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
That is huge, Yeah, that is huge. And I can't
understand that Drake Greenlaw is one of the best linebackers
in football.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
But what sucks is that their depth is their depth,
saying stupid, insane. They have starters everywhere.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Stupid.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
On paper, this team is amazing. We know about teams
that look great on paper, but can they perform, Yes,
they can so. On paper it looked really good and
now in the game it looks really good. This is
a three four based defense. That means they have three
down linemen for linebackers, and they have the corners that
can guard you man to man. They don't give a
dog on what type of football you want to play.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Don't give it damn.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
They will meet you right. They have all the shoes
in the trunk. They'll pop the trunk, put on whatever
they need. Shoes they got, they got spikes, they got
whatever you need. They've got the cap shoes that we
wore back in the day. I don't even know if
you guys want to talk about wild players. I mean
I can go across the court for their who d
line Zach Allen Nice he's at the end position. DJ Jones,
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big nose tackle. This dude will put your center in
the in your lap as a quarterback. Franklin Meyer's hard
worker Cooper number zero outside linebacker, freaking motor out of
this freaking world power.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, just oh my goodness, the strong, the main guy.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
I guess you have to say, if you had to
pick one, is Nick Benito number fifteen or the defensive
end who will be lined up over Tyler Guiden.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
He's a dog.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
He's a freaking pit bull mixed with Rot Wilder mixed
with Cane Corso. Yes, his get off the monster is insane.
If you run the same snap count, he will get it.
Understand it, predicted and anticipated. Every single time there is
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plays that I was watching on the platform that I use,
I could I could literally filter out all whatever I'm
looking for. So like, for instance, they have twenty nine sacks,
I said, let me watch every single sack Nick Benito
at times was teams that runs shotgun like Dallas. By
the time the quarterback caught the ball and got his
back foot set, Nick Bedino was.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Four yards in the backfield. I don't like that. Like
it's it's it is consistent. This isn't just okay.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Every so often their dns are getting up they're outside
linebacker aka dns. They're up the field, and then they're
spinning back and then they're pressing your tackles at me.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
There's pressure.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Man.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
The entire defense plays with an edge. They play with speed.
They play with a violence that starts from the inside
defensive linement all the way out to their rush outside
linebacker slash dns. Their corners are lanky, they're freaking long.
Go go gadget arms. Okay, Dawson, would you say.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yoga? Yep? Man, listen.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
So I mean like they coverage wise, yeah, I mean
they're gonna bring pressure. This is one one of the
highest pressure teams in the league. And the way in
which they bring pressure. Think about you know what everybody
here in Dallas Country loved about Mike zimmer Double a gap, right,
everybody lining up the line of scrimmage, who's coming, who's
not coming? Defensive ends are really wide. They put a
lot of stress on the communication and the responsibilities of
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your offensive lineman. If I'm a tackle, I'm gonna have
two guys lined up outside of me. Which one am
I turning to? Right Now, I have a defensive end
who now crosses my face. I have to take him. Okay,
Now I'm leaving the outside guy free to go run
at dock. They do stuff like that all the time.
They screw with your responsibilities. Once they understand what your
past blocking responsibilities are, they make it very difficult running backs.
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You gotta keep your head on a swivel because you
really don't know who's coming. Your responsibility is going to
go from the a gap guy walked up in the
gap all the way to the guy who's three or
four yards outside the defensive end. So they put a
lot of stress on those guys in the past blocking
scheme which don't allow them to get out to be
an outlet.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
The teams that have had success.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I know you're a lot of a lot of people
a gonna hear me and say, oh, he's making any
out Like these guys are world beaters.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Okay, yeah, they're really they're really good.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Can I can I back up your point here with
the analytics side, because you're talking film here, I'm talking
straight numbers Broncos pass rush this year and where they
rank in the NFL. Would you like to take a
guess where they rank in terms of sacks? Sacks one
one their first? How about quarterback hits one? Also first
quarterback pressures one they're first. Sensing a trend here quarterback
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pressure percentage number one. Players with three or more sacks
number one. Then you go to the individual stuff, most
quarterback hits in the league. Zach Allen leads with eighteen
out of anybody in the NWN. Yeah, that's and then
you've got Nick Bedino with seventeen that are right there
at the top two in the league. Crazy they get
after you.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I mean I'm looking at the advanced portion of that.
This is next g insteps to back up Coyle's point.
That's backing up Isaiah's point saying my stats aren't advanced. No,
I'm saying they are. Let's advance the advance. It's because
I know that's from the So just nixt gin shoutout
to the next gen. Twelve point eight percent sack percentage
number one in the league. Uh sec EPA minus fifty
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four point nine, number one in the league by a
large margin. Second places the Rams at forty nine. Like
you're five points higher than second place. They're going to
get after you, Dak And.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
To piggyback up when we're talking about depth in terms
of the trifecta. Backup against the Giants, the Broncos had
thirteen different pass rushers generate pressure on Jackson. So it's
everywhere thirteen different passes.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Play on the field, Bro, they're only eleven.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Dude, what are you doing coming from everywhere? Secondary?
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Green law it really Like seriously, I say all this
to say, okay, they get after Okay, so they get
out of the quarterback and he got sacked. They only
have a handful of interceptions. Don't be encouraged by that.
Don't be encouraged by that. This is probably this is
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arguably the best secondary in the league. Arguably the best
secondary of the league. They arguably the best corner in
the league.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
He's Defensive Player of the Year last year for a reason,
for a freaking reason.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Passer ten the second their safeties just freaking Brandon Jones
is lightning in a bottle.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
He's all over the preaking place. He can cover, he
can cover.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
He'll come up and play your your your your slot
if you want to. And then uh Telenoa Hufanga, freaking
heat seeking missile.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
I don't know how the Niners let him go, Bro,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
He just think about Troy Polamalu reincarnated. That's what he is.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
So physical, Like seriously, like he's I'm not saying, but
he's he's what's the best way of saying, I don't
even know Bro.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Anyways, he's a dog. He's a dog.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
He's two point zero coverage wise. These guys want to
play single highest safety. They want to have a guy
in the box. They will do a lot of invert to.
They'll still they will almost say the bad word. They
will mess with Dak in terms of what the coverage is.
You know what I was gonna say on the show, Yeah,
exactly say that one. Yeah, I'll be definitely an in
principle that one. It's difficult, man, I don't know. I
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don't know where else to go with it. I'll see
you guys back it up with stats. They're they're they're
multiple in their looks, They're multiple with their guys that
can impact you. This is not a team where you
can say, Okay, I'm gonna shut down Josh Rodriguez.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
And we're good.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Yeah everybody, Yeah, and I mean and I literally mean
anybody and everybody can hurt you. The fact that Drake
Greenlaw is not there is a freaking blessing. But trust
and belief somebody is ready to step up.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
They're all entirely capable and uh when again, looking at
the stats here they use man coverage at the highest
rate of any team in the NFL, and the parody's
real guys. Two years ago, the Broncos got seventy points
scored on them against the Miami Dolphins. It is a
much different story now. The Dolphins are drowning and the
Broncos are one of the most feared defenses in the
NFL currently. It's insane the turnaround that they have got
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the personnel.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
They went out and got all their guys. They got
their guys, and.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
That's the thing is a lot of these names are
familiar because they were successful in other plays. And of
course San Francisco had a couple of those guys that
have played well. DJ Jones and Hafunga and those.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Guys green Law, Green Laws. Jesus the.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Forgot about him.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, so you gotta go pay your quarterback. You don't
got to worry about Itim this week gets all.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I'm taking him. I'm taking him.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I'm taking him.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Gimme who deserves the credit, because I mean, of course
you've got the the GM there uh in George Patten,
who helped put this all together. But you've got Sean
Payton as the head coach, You've got Vance Joseph as
the defensive coordinator for turning that all around from two
years ago where they were getting seventy burgers put on them.
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Now it's one of the best defenses, if not the
best defense for them to.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
Stick with Vance after as a head coach, and then
I think he leaves for a year, comes back, and
then they stick with it after Sean Bayton comes back.
Oh yeah, he was fired.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Was probably fired. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
It was a bad season, yeah, unless they played Cowboys forever.
Reason that was uh, that was right, That was Vic Fangio.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
But to see him come back and them still with Vance, yeah,
and Sean Payton had that trust in them to rebuild
this defense to becoming again, like I said, one of
the most feared defenses currently in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It's amazing. I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I'm just flat out excited to see this match and
for every reason that we're all saying, Because just understand,
the Broncos are just damn good at playing defense at
all three levels, and they're all so fantastic at just
redirecting the quarterback's eyes and misdirection, pre playing at the
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snap and whatnot. But then keep in mind the personnel.
So a lot of people are going to look at
the secondary and like you said, they have a damn
good secondary. But most people are saying, well, all they
have is Patrick Sartan. No, sir, no, sir, let me
tell you about this Riley Moss guy. Okay, teams throw
away from certain because teams are not dumb. You throw
away from certain But when you're doing that, more often
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than not, who you're throwing at Riley Moss. So Riley
Moss has been targeted twenty a little over twenty percent
of the time. That's fourth highest rate in the entire
league for anyone with at least one hundred snaps. Okay, Now,
Moss has allowed a completion percentage of only forty two
and a half let's set forty three percent and coverage
that's the second lowest of.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Any defender in the league.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
So you're throwing away from certain which is smart, but
don't sleep on Riley Moss's ability to stay in the
hip pocket of your receiver. But this is why I'm
excited about it though, because, like you mentioned at the
top of this segment, this is the unstoppable force meets
the immovable object type situation White literally this is certain
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and Moss versus Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens with an
MVP candidate and Dak Prescott throwing in the ball and
a release valve. In the scene with Jake Ferguson, they
have linebackers who can play yes like this is gonna
be fun.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I want to give a couple of things the reason
why we do it on the other side of the break. Yeah, okay,
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couple more things.
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I watched.
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I've been seeing some good things totally. They have some talent.
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You have some great talent, and they got some fight
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number one defense for all.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
And I know people in the comments have said that
we're glazing these guys. We are, we are You might
want to respect them. Turn on the film. If you
guys haven't everybody has.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I'm not glazing, not using anybody.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
I'm pouring all the glazes because you better understand exactly
who the heck you're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
What respect them because they're damn good. Yeah. Yeah, offensively,
you shouldn't be surprised on Sunday. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
So defensively, sorry, defensively, they only have a handful of
interceptions because they're so sticky on defense with the glades
that quarterbacks are not throwing them. They're not throwing it right,
they're not throwing it win under pressure because the pressure
is getting there so fast, they're taking sacks. So the
reason why they're so high statistically in terms of sacks
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and so low in terms of interceptions is because the
quarterbacks are under durest.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Immediately, Yes, you've got your question is Isiah, Yeah, prick.
Here's here's what bodes well for the Cowboys against what
you just said. Dak Prescott gets the ball out real quick. Absolutely, absolutely,
he got the ball out real quick, and.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
He's got multiple options.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
He's got multiple options, left, right, middle, multiple options. This
is also going to be a key game. Let's just
score ahead and say it. This needs to be the
javan Javonte Williams review. Yes, we believe in Javonte Williams
needs to absolutely go off in this game. That will
neutralize or at least help to neutralize the insane pass
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rush that we know that the Denver Broncos have. That
will also keep the corners playing honest because they're going
to have to play and run defense and run support.
So that's going to wear them down a little bit.
And then you have to figure out play action at
that point, because now you have to respect it. And
once you respect it, what is Dak Prescott really good at?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Really good to play action? Okay?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
So between the time to throw that Dak Prescott excels
in and if Javonte Williams can have a revenge game okay,
or even.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
Just you say it again, which one say his name,
oh and he appears, I believe in Gavonte.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
That time. There we go. So let me get a
song going, so.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
A song for him, and I will say the Cowboys
have they do have the personnel to combat this.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
The touchdowns that Denver has given up in the passing
game have all I would say all eighty percent of
them have occurred on their linebackers, So understand the underneath coverage.
If you can get guys out mainly outside the numbers,
it's where these things have occurred. As I went back
and why your touchdowns that they gave up underneath coverage
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outside the numbers, beating them across the formation, that's where
they have lost in terms of their.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Touchdown and Dallas has been very good at that throughout
the season because of the weapons that they have and
how they utilize those weapons too. So there's a chance
to get some and get some production.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Get you, get yourself, get yourself. Just curious.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
Are you guys worried at all that they might have
the but I think they do. Do you think that
they have the ability to take away Ceedee Lamb or
George picks in this game?
Speaker 5 (43:31):
I think it's gonna be that this would be the
most difficulty for both of those guys or one or
the What the thing is, you got to take risks.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
So if you're gonna try to get the ball to
those guys, you got to shoot it. You got to
take you shot. It's gonna be fifty fifty balls.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
Are you willing to do a fifty fifty ball versus
what they have out there and they're gonna go man,
and that'swers.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah right, you believe you're a guy answers.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
But it still is a fifty to fifty ball, and
I want to emphasize that. So the biggest thing is
to you guys' point, if you can get the run
game going, then all the misdirection that shot he bodes well.
And if you can get misdirection going, then these guys
have to hit their breaks. They have to hit their
e breaks. They can't come and get after your quarterback
because they are now responsible for their guys getting out.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens probably each have fifty yards
or more in this game. If Javonte Williams establishes the
run early, yes, if they're able to get it going
in the initial part. You look at what Dak Prescott
has done this season, and really over the last four weeks,
He's had four straight games with three passing touchdowns no
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interceptions in the same game four straight weeks. That's the
second longest streak since the NFL merger, only behind Russell
Wilson back in twenty fifteen, who had five games NRO.
But you look at the teams that they played in
those four games Green Bay defensively, that's probably the toughest
task over the four games because then they played the Jets,
the Panthers, and the Commanders in those four games. This
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is a different animal. Yes, completely, it's a Bronco and
I think, sorry, Dale good rather than a Panther. Yeah,
that's funny, that is too good. But now I'm all
thrown off. With all that being said, I don't know
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if he's gonna have that same level of efficiency because
they do man up so well on the outside, because
he's going to have interior defensive line pressure in this game.
It's gonna come from the edge, it's gonna be on
the inside. It's gonna happen either way. There's gonna be
interior pressure forced by Denver and that's going to challenge
Dak Prescott. There's going to be a mistake at some
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point in.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
The same and before we get out of it, the
one thing that we have to we have not addressed
because everybody's going to have an argument against it.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Well, how did the Giants do so well against him?
They made plays.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
They made a lot of plays, like some of the
most contested catches that you can never imagine Jackson Dart
threw it up there and his guys when got the
freaking ball. These were not high percentage passes, and Scattaboy
was not afraid. He afraid either, Like Scott again going
across the formation of Scattaboo got it right and talking
about screenplays and is of that nature. You can use
their aggressiveness against them, but you have to be in
(46:04):
position to be a threat.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
In that regard.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
The good thing is you have the personnel to do
exactly what you just said the Giants did. You have
guys who can make the place get the fifty to
fifty balls, and you have a running back who not
necessarily inspired scatable. But Javante is a bully dude, and
jargon is going in there. And this is the same
Broncos team that didn't feel that he had anything left say.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
It again, Yeah, should we believe in Javante?
Speaker 3 (46:29):
We believe in Javonte.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
So yes, Javonte Williams, go have yourself a day and
everything else will play.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Off of that.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
I think this is the edge to the Cowboys for me,
in this one wow edge to the Cowboys. Everything we're
saying is one hundred percent true about the Broncos. This
is going to be the Cowboys biggest test of the season.
But if Javonte can do what he what he wants
to do, everything plays off of that.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I think. And we'll preview, of course, the Dallas defense
versus Bownecks, and I.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Know that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
The edge right now, Cowboys offense versus Broncos defense slight
edge to Cowboys offense.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
We'll talk about the others.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
I was about to say, if you have if you
have a chance in this game, the Cowboys need to
have the edge in this matchup, specifically the offense versus
the Denver Broncos defense.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
You guys are brilliant.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
If you know, you know, all right, We're gonna get
out of here on talking Cowboys. Thanks for joining us.
I hope you had some fun. For those that don't know,
for those that don't know, say his name, I hope
you had some fun over the last forty five minutes.
We'll be back tomorrow. We're gonna preview the Dallas defense
(47:42):
against bow Knicks, Portland Sutton and JK. Dobbins Denver Bronco's
offense tomorrow. That'll be an interesting matchup as well for
Patrick No S Walker for Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah stand back
Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans saying so
long from Talking Cowboys, We'll see you tomorrow. This has
(48:03):
been a production of dallascowboys dot Com and the Dallas
Cowboys Football Club.
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