Talkin’ Cowboys: Miracles in Oxnard

Kyle Youmans, Patrik Walker, Tommy Yarrish & Josh Rodriguez react to the Tyler Guyton injury news, Jake Ferguson’s new deal, and defensive standouts from training camp so far.

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From Dallas Cowboys Training Camp in Cala.

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Six second test, ten six touchdown and now your hosts
Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, and Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
It's a Training Camp edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by
a Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from Oxnard, California and
the River Ridge Training Camp Complex, home to Training Camp
twenty twenty five. We've got Tommy Yarish, Patrick Nosey Walker,
Josh Rodriguez, I'm back, Kyle Yeomans back in Sarrivory.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
That means we are so bad.

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You're so bad.

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I can't wait.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
You guys did a great job last week. All all
the shows that you did throughout the week, whether it.

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Was Training Camp live or inside Cowboys Training Camp.

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But especially Talking Cowboys was on point. And I'm proud
of you guys. Will you were missed. It is so
good to be back.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Oh, absolutely to Josh Rodriguez, absolutely cooked up and absence
you know was in the building. It just it just
feels right, It.

Speaker 6 (01:24):
Feels right, feel better with Kyle Yeoman's leading his thing.
It's glad to have We're glad to have you back there.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
You guys are making me feel good. You know. It
was funny this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
I woke up, walked into the hotel lobby and ran
into a gentleman named Freddy G. Here it's fred G,
but it was Freddy G is what I started calling him.
And he said, I watch all your shows. You guys
are like rock stars to me. He's like, I felt
like I met ran into a rock star this morning.
He's like, I met Tommy.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
And he ran into a rock star. Really appreciate y'all support.
They were really cool.

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They were in the breakfast lobby this morning and so
they said Hi. But yeah, if you guys are out
here and you're listening to talking Cowboys and you're at
training camp, don't be afraid to say hi.

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If you see us walking.

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Around, even on the sidelines, if you see us walking
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We love seeing the fans out here. That's part of
one of my favorite parts about training camp.

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But you have to go through my bodyguard first before
you can speak to me. We'll take it under advisement.
Will kind of search. You pat you down, and then
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You know, kids changed, same different, right?

Speaker 9 (03:04):
You know why Josh has that change? Why is that
he just got a new paycheck.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
You know why?

Speaker 9 (03:08):
Because the Dallas Cowboys might be signing him to play corner.
At this point, man, I mean, wow, any all of
us need to get ready at this.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Point forty competition, but they know that the Josh is
going to win.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Stay ready, so I don't have to get ready. You know,
the routing number, make.

Speaker 7 (03:25):
The deploy What number do you want?

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Patrick?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Whatever number is free, doesn't matter, all right? I like
that double zero, rowdy.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Let's talk, man, there's like twenty twenty two is free,
twelve is free, eight is free. I don't think you're
getting any of that getting eight. I mean, other than that,
it's like eighty two. Now you're not getting that one.
Seventy four now not getting that one.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Tell you I'll strike a deal with Rowdy. Yeah, I'll
bring that double zero zero, that double zero on the feet.

Speaker 7 (03:47):
He's going to be the first free digit.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah now zero.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
I'm glad you brought that up because since the last
recording of Talking Cowboys, there's a lot that's happened over
the weekend. Pads have come on a tight end, got paid.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
As always that happens with Talking Cowboys. There's breaking news
all surrounding us.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
There's gonna be I was about to say, there's gonna
be a breaking news segment like at today Pacific time.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
That's just how it goes.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
But we also had a bit of a roller coaster, gentlemen,
a bit of a roller coaster with the emotions, with
the expectations of the season, with the expectations.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Of a former first round pick.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Can I go through the timeline real quick, let's go
to this press isn't great to begin with, man, So
you're doing this on top of all of that, it's
just not great.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Well, this will help you relive it.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
And for those that may have missed the roller coaster yesterday,
here's how it started out here in practice, Tyler Geiton,
second year first round pick back in twenty twenty four's draft,
and of course starting at the left tackle spot. He's
having a great practice and what I thought was his
best practice to this point. Stonewall Donovano's roku a couple

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of times was really solid with his feet, his footwork,
his hands were looking powerful. I mean, all of it
looked like it was coming together. Wasn't a perfect practice,
but it was his best practice so far. Then at
approximately one twenty nine pm Pacific time, he goes down
with an injury.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
He got tangled up with Tyler Smith.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
Azraku was kind of tangled up and was down on
the field at one twenty nine. About three hours later,
just under three hours later, at four to twenty one
Pacific time, he in rap. Report from the NFL Network
reports that it is feared to be a torn ACL
for Tyler Geiton. Everyone starts to freak out. What do
we do now? Do you bump Tyler Smith out to

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left tackle? Do you go try and resign Tyron Smith?
What are the certain possibilities that are at hand? But
either way, our former first round pick has a torn
ACL and this is not good for our future of
the offensive line. Then less about less than about an
hour later, to the rescue comes Todd Archer at ESPN at.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
What is let me see, Oh my phone's closing on me?

Speaker 8 (06:01):
Like fifteen minutes later.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah, it was like not much longer. Five oh nine
pm Pacific time.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Todd Urcher reports that Tyler Guidon's acl is intact after
an nr MRI and he has a bone fracture that
will not require surgery, looking at a four to six.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Week recovery, and that is where we stand.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
It felt like all of Cowboys Nation took a sigh
of relief that they're left tackled. Not only is going
to be available this year, but has a possibility, Tommy,
as you wrote on Dallascowboys dot com, Tyler Goiden has
a chance to play week one and that is almost
It feels like a.

Speaker 9 (06:36):
Miracle, absolutely, and it's a like sigh of relief is
the perfect way to put it, because man, if Tyler
Guiden is out for the whole year, that that would
have you don't even need to say, we know how
brutal that would have been, right, just because obviously things
didn't go his way last year. He's starting to show
signs of progression this camp already, but now you know he's.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
Still missing important reps.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Right.

Speaker 9 (06:59):
That's the tough part about this is the optimistic view
of things as Tyler Gotton is back week one, but
the bottom line is he's missing the rest of camp,
and this camp is super important for him and he
needs He needed these reps.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
He needed the time to sheell in with everyone around him.

Speaker 9 (07:13):
He needed the time to get used to the physicality
of things and get his body back and form for
playing in season. And now you know you're looking at
a window where got You know, if he's not ready
by week one, you de force him out there week two.
I don't think that the Cowboys should be in any
rush to get Tyler gotten back.

Speaker 7 (07:33):
If you want Tyler.

Speaker 9 (07:34):
Gotten back, you make sure that he's fully healthy so
there's no chance of this happening again. You make sure
that he's physically ready and capable of handling that workload
because they're gonna have to play some really good edge
rushers this year. Like Week two against New York, You've
got three guys who can get after the quarterback and
Brian Burns, Abdull Carter, caveon Thibodeau and then throughout the

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rest of the season, you're you're gonna see that all
the time as well. So you know the Bears the
next week, you've got Montes sweat. So it's gonna be
a tough challenge and it's gonna be a fine line
the Cowboys have to walk.

Speaker 7 (08:04):
But at the end of the day, you are happy
that it's not.

Speaker 9 (08:08):
A season ending injury and you're happy that you can
get Tyler gotten back at some point this year and
week one. If he's able to get back in time
and he's able to recover that great, then even better
because that's a staple of the Cowboys offensive line, not
because he has played that way, but because he needs
to be as a left tackle.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Listen shouts out to Britt Brown and Jim Rrow for
probably doing the mister Miyagi over the offended knee of
Tyler Guidon because Cowboys, you know, whatever might have happened.
And I say that kind of jokingly now that we
have an optimistic outlook for.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
I did a rain dance in Southern Caro. It didn't work, But.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I tell you what, considering and like you said, Nick
Harrisy said this on Twitter, and it was very well put.
As many torn acls as the Dallas Cowboys training staff
has to unfortunately deal with on an annual basis, they
they're pretty good at being able to diagnose that pre MRI. Okay,
so they feared that it was torn based on their

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pre MRI testing. But thankfully the MRI proved that showed
that it was still intact his acl is and that
saves the Cowboys in a lot of ways. Number One,
they don't have to and we don't have to entertain
the conversation of potentially moving all pro left guard Tyler
Smith out to left tackle. Thankfully, let's keep that where
it is in the grave for now. It also keeps
the Cowboys from having to glance potentially at a free

(09:28):
agency pool that looks very very poor.

Speaker 8 (09:32):
We were talking about yesterday. It was rough.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's rough. Tyron Smith is officially retired, probably doesn't have
any kind of inclination to come out of retirement. So
there's that. But then when you look at names like
David Boktiari, Charles Leno, Donovan Smith, yes, those are NFL
veterans with a lot of skins on the wall. However,
bok Tari and Leno. Neither of those guys took a
single snap in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Four, and some of those guys are also retired.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Not just that, but also major injury that they've dealt
with recently, a hip injury, a foot in here and there.
The pool of free agency looks abysmal, for lack of
a better way to put it, So that turns the
Cowboys inward. Now, the good news is it's like you said,
and like Tommy Rope, Tyler Gotton could be back on
the field as early as Week one against the Eagles,
if there is an abundance of caution, maybe Week two

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home opener against the Giants. So now it's a much
smaller issue. You're gonna look at a guy like a
chem of Dnergy who's having a strong camp. You're gonna
look at some of these other guys. You're gonna give
what's his name, the rookie. It's his rookie six. Yeah,
Cornelia's who just sent a guy to hell yesterday and
I put that clip up on Twitter. So you're gonna
look at yeah stronger. You're gonna look at some of

(10:38):
these younger guys. You're gonna give Matt will let's go
another chance to show that he can he can do something. Obviously,
he battled shoulder injuries early in his career, but he's
been healthy over the past year plus, so hopefully he
can stay that way. Point being now, it's a it's
a situation where yes, it's unfortunately Tyler gut And will
miss valuable camp and preseason reps, much like last year

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when he dealt with some smaller injuries. However, to know
that he'll be back in time to play the majority,
if not the entirety of the season, when the initial
fear was that he'd be lost for not just this season,
but then we're having the conversation does he start next
camp on the pup list? You no longer have to
have those concerns, and the young man, like Tommy said,
he's making strides. We're all seated in camp. We're seeing

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his off season changes in diet and his regiment change
and his training with Tyrone Smith. We're seeing that start
to pay off. You hate that he's going to miss
this time, but at least he'll be back.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
Absolutely. Do you guys believe in miracles?

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I do.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Now I'm Michael's baby.

Speaker 8 (11:35):
O to spell miracle. You need three letters, m R
and boys.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
The fact we had people waiting on the MRI to
officially report this news.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
I really do.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
I want to give kudos.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
To a miracle, but I'm saying you gotta listen to
me here, but the A and the the guys that
actually waited to run this story. Of course, you know,
everyone wants to be first. They don't always need to
be right. In this case, there are a lot of fans.
There are a lot of fans out there that are
expecting news to come from a trustworthy source. I think

(12:13):
now in today's age, it's hard to find those things.
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Speaker 8 (12:36):
It seriously is.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Thank you really quickly before I throw it back to you, Kyle,
I'll be remiss if I didn't mention in this competition
to figure out the left tackle situation. Awsome Richards. Awesome
Richards is going to play into this in a big way,
as far as he might be. That's why I said,
I'd be remiss if I didn't miss mention awesome Richards.

Speaker 9 (12:51):
That's so I gotta let's let's do a little exercise here,
all right, Let's say.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
No, no, Josh like I can do this.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Yeah, you also can't spell misery without mr negative. He still,
So that's what I'm kind to kind of go off here.
Let's say Tyler Guidan's out for week one or week two?

Speaker 7 (13:21):
What what do you do? What do you do at
left tackle? Do you move Tyler snow back out there?
Do you keep him inside? Do you what do you do?

Speaker 9 (13:28):
Because here's the thing, Brian Schotheimer said it over and
over and over and over and over again. The best
five guys are going to be out there. I think
Tyler Smith is an.

Speaker 7 (13:40):
All Pro guard.

Speaker 9 (13:41):
I think he is a good left tackle. And right now,
if you have a good left tackle on this team
and you don't feel like you've got that behind him,
or you have a serviceable left tackle behind him, then
you know, and bear with me here Tyler Smith to
left tackle, You move Tyler Looker to the left side
where he played in college at Alabama, and then you

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put bra Khaffman, who stepped in last year when Zach
Martin was heard at right guard. If I don't think
as a temporary as a temporary solution, that is a problem.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
It's it's definitely not what it would make things complicated.
And I don't mean to cut you off.

Speaker 9 (14:16):
Is Tyler Smith's contract situation, sure, because if he wants
language in there about switching left tackle.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
And because then that money is going to change drastically.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Leney is bigger.

Speaker 9 (14:28):
Much more than left guard money, bigger money, and I
think you should be const compensated accordingly.

Speaker 7 (14:37):
But as a temporary solution, this was.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
A full season thing. I agree with you, Tyler.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Tyler Smith outside, we figured it out because we've got
an until the opening game. You've got an opportunity to
practice him at that spot and be solidified up front.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
But we've seen what the roller coaster in the revolving
door of.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
An offensive line looks like at times, especially when it
involves Tyler Smith.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
He's an All Pro interior offensive lineman.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
And he's a good left tackle You're right, and I
think that would have been the full solution if because
you have more interior depth anyways, you've got guys like
Hoffman and Bass and Jones when he comes back hopefully
that you can kind of rely on. Whereas your tackle
depth you don't have the same amount of confidence in it.
I don't want to move my one solidified part of

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my offensive line for one or two games. If it's
for the whole season and we can practice it and
he can get the reps at left tackle, then fine,
But I'm not gonna sit here and move him back
and forth for a game or two just to survive.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
Does the opponent of week one change your mind?

Speaker 4 (15:42):
It should, but it doesn't because they're gonna tear you
up anyways. Because what about the confidence level of Tyler Smith?

Speaker 5 (15:50):
If you moved him out there for week one and
he's only going to be there for a week or
two and he gets absolutely annihilated as a tackle, and
then you have to do that and you have to
move that around. I would rather Tyler Smith be healthy
and in the middle of the spot he's practiced throughout
the last two or three years consistently, and keep him

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at left.

Speaker 9 (16:10):
Guard if I want real quick, if you're wanting to
look at week one and you plan around that opponent,
then Tyler Smith needs to play left guard because you've
got Jordan Davis.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's my point. This is why the opponent being the
Philadelphia Eagles doesn't change the fact that I agree with
Kyle wholeheartedly. Here. When you're talking about moving Tyler Smith,
you're talking about several things, right, because it's going to
cause a rift, the shockwave down the line. Like you said,
now you're gonna have to go Tyler the Booker over
to left guard. You're going to have to, you know,
bring bro Hoffman up and move him all those things,

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when in actuality, what I would prefer to do is
keep the Tyler Booker, Cooper Bebe and Tyler Smith trio
in the middle for George, Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter
and have to deal with that front. And then I'm
going to challenge Brian Schottenheimer to scheme accordingly. Knowing that
you might have a little bit of a weaker spot
on your left tackle, scheme for at least one week

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can probably help solve, solve, or at least soften that issue. Right,
So whatever the play calling needs to be adjust that
for week one, knowing that you're a little bit more
vulnerable on the left tackle spot than you had initially
planned to be, and that for me would go a
long way and giving me instant confidence in Brian Schottenheimer's
ability to call and handle an entire playbook. So I
would I would challenge Schottenheimer in that aspect.

Speaker 7 (17:22):
Yeah, And that could.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Be as simple as having players that roll out to
the right side. I mean it could be something like
that where it's not only scheming for protection on the side,
but rolling out.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
At least a couple of read options keep them off balance.
And but you're really going to need to establish the
run game, especially against the Philadelphia Eagles, and the better
way to do that is to keep Tyler Smith right
where he is.

Speaker 9 (17:42):
Yeah, and it's I think it's I'm with you as
across the board. I think you know you keep Tyler
Smith roy Is. I just wanted to go through the
thought exercise.

Speaker 6 (17:50):
No, but I would argue that if we're talking best
starting five, and if this is something Brian Schottenheimer believes in,
I think you're right on the money. I think that
is your best starting five in the case that Tyler
Goyiton isn't ready to go, but it's how he arrange them.

Speaker 7 (18:02):
Really, Yeah, yeah, it's how you arrange them.

Speaker 9 (18:04):
And I think, you know, making one move instead of three,
especially if it's only for a short time period, is
what you need to do there. So you lean on
Austin Richards and became a Dentegy who's had a good camp,
and Nate Thomas, who Brian Schotenneimers brought up more than
once unprompted. So I think they can figure it out there,
and you can send a tight end to help all
kinds of things left.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
To right, left tackle to right tackle. What's your starting
offensive line look like week one?

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Go? Uh, just a guess week one without guiding.

Speaker 7 (18:33):
I think it's I would you?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
I would, yes, But what would you do?

Speaker 9 (18:39):
I'm going, yeah, I'm going Richards, I'm going Richards, Tyler Smith,
BB Booker Steele.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, that's exactly my foot exactly.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
You would go there?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (18:48):
I would.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
I would contend that Dentergy could play left tackle, but
he hasn't played in the left side at any point
in his career, so we would have to see it
out here first.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
So I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
That's gonna that's gonna be put Richard's there, but I
bet you he gets and I d energy for those
that watch the film throughout the weekends or throughout the
week and they see it on the Twitter, he's seventy five.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Keep that in mind. Seventy five is gonna be at
playing left tackle.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
I think at some point over the next three weeks
of camp and maybe in.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
The preseason, it's gonna be interesting to watch that battle
for sure.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
And while while the whole scenario feels like we dodged
a bullet and the Cowboys dodged a bullet, you look
back at it and you say, man, our starting left
tackle who missed time last year was graded as the
one hundred and sixteenth out of one hundred and forty
one offensive tackles in football according to PFF. And a
guy that dealt with ankle, neck, and shoulder injuries last

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year is not at camp. I think if this news
would have hit initially, it would have been a lot
more devastating than if it came after the.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Initial report of season ending.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
I mean, four to six weeks for a guy that
needed camp is still a long time.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
To be out.

Speaker 9 (19:53):
But we were happy he's gonna be yeah, regardless, regardless,
you're happy, he's gonna be back, because if it would
be much more, it was the opposite, no doubt.

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(22:37):
of the Dallas Cowboys. Need a little extra coffee this week.
Need the caffeine to cover this team throughout. I don't
have any BRCC out here. I talked to our rep
the other day.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
I was like, can we get like a case of
this for everyone because we need it. It's I think
we might have something at some point.

Speaker 8 (22:55):
It is a major one something brewing.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yeah, coffee, we're on fire today, sir. Let's go, dude.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
We still have a recover from that's going to be
the best one mile are uh.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
By the way, if you're new to the show, we
do a YouTube comment of the day just to have
a little fun for those It's got to be witty,
it's got to be encouraging.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
It's got to be something that will make us chuckle.
You know. It could be something funny, as long as
it's clean. I guess yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
In the YouTube comments, and the first one that I
saw today is going to be our YouTube comment of
the day. When I opened up my laptop and I
opened up YouTube, Noah said, hey, Fellas, whenever Tommy and
Patrick squaring off in the forty or did it already happen?

Speaker 4 (23:39):
No, it did not happen.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
It did. We're waiting.

Speaker 7 (23:42):
We're waiting for you to get here.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
We actually were, I know, but but now I'm here,
you are.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
What are we doing? It's it's it's actually on, tom
it's whatever. I'm ready whenever. You're the challenger, So go
right now.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
I'll go right now. We can do if we had
a mobile, it.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Can work very ollen. Did you get it done? No, seriously? Whenever?

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Okay, so whenever it's good, you want to try and
do it, like next Monday.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Sure, we gotta show Monday.

Speaker 8 (24:11):
We gotta show Monday.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
You want to do it this weekend. When's the off
day of this weekend?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
H wow, Sunday, Sunday, Sundays third day, Sunday Sundays.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
The day Or do we want to do it in
front of fans?

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Man? We can do it, no fans, front of fans.
We could do it in the church service. It doesn't
matter to me. It's gonna be the same results either way,
because you're gonna you're gonna need, need, want to. He
just just remember that I was minding my own business
and this young man called me out. So whatever happens

(24:45):
now is whatever.

Speaker 8 (24:46):
How about after practice Wednesday?

Speaker 7 (24:47):
I will okay, I will you want to get it
out away?

Speaker 8 (24:51):
Well I want to?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Well no, no, no, not after practice. The reason I say
that is because we have content to create after practice.
I mean, we have something to about John you you know,
as the webmaster, you know we.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
Have articles to write already.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Listen, it's fun enough shot, Let's.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
Just let's just just advocate with calm.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Res in Wednesday's prime. Let's just have shot high eager
flu just push everybody to the side.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Let's just let's not do that. Floyd said, he's smoking
everybody up there.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I don't know Floyd California that that that smells like
a pull up, right, So come on, come on, pull up.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
You can get in the mix too if you want to.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Anybody can get I'm spectating, anybody can come.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
I'm reserving all my trash talk for Oh.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Now he's reserving the trash, the change in tone.

Speaker 9 (25:44):
I have said everything, Oh, the change everything that's needed
to be said.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
Hey, I'm gonna smoke you, and it's I'm gonna win it.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
What's what's crazy for that?

Speaker 4 (25:53):
My friends?

Speaker 8 (25:53):
Because here on talking calend you to say.

Speaker 7 (25:56):
With said, I've said everything that I've needed to say
with my I.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Have the receipts and I will be dropping those receipts afterwards.
Now he wants to play the cool and the humble
guy because I was minding my business. I've said it once,
I'll say it can just leave me be. But now
that you've placed your order, when it comes from the kitchen,
you don't get to send it back. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
That's all you got.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Well, you know what, we don't have to send back
to the kitchen because he got a got a contract.
He's sticking around for a little bit a little bit
sticking around for four more years. A little contract extension
for Jake Ferguson fifty two million dollars. Thirty of that
guaranteed well deserved by Jake just because of the what
he's meant to really the core of this offense, even

(26:42):
though he had a down year last year, and I
know he's faced some significant criticism from that. I've been
very vocal on here to where I think that was
a fluke. I think that was something that just didn't
work out last year. One because you didn't have your
starting quarterback after the Atlanta game, and two because he
had dealt with the injuries all the way up until.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Seemed like the Atlanta game.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
I think Jake Ferguson is a solid piece to continue
to build around on this offense. Josh, I'll start with you,
what do you think about the fifty two million dollar extension?
Do you feel like it came at the right time
and what does it do for Jake Ferguson's role in
this offense.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
Well, I couldn't be happier for Jake Ferguson, first off.
Second off, the fact that they're getting it done early.
This is something that the fans have been out of
advocating for a long time, and I'm sure the front
office wants to do that all the time.

Speaker 8 (27:26):
It's like, yeah, let's get ahead of this. Coming off of.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
His statistically worst season. He didn't have a touchdown last season,
and granted it's for a lot of reasons, but not
to He didn't give any excuses for it either. He
just said it needed to be better, and he said
that coming off of last season, to prepare the same
way going into the last season for this season would
be the definition of insanity. He wants different results than
he had last season. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

(27:49):
But in terms of getting the deal done, you love
to see that. You love to see how that might
impact getting more deals done. As we get through the
rest of camp, let's get like, I don't know, one
more today, one more tomorrow, one more you know, like,
let's just keep going down and keeping the guys that matter.

Speaker 8 (28:07):
This is a guy that is staying for all the
right reasons.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
And the fact that they got that Linda Wells is
back with the Cowboys on the coaching staff, I think
it was very indicative from the beginning that like, Okay,
we're gonna have Jake Ferguson around for a minute, not
only for his role and his relationship with Dak Prescott,
but now you keep Linda Well's yeah, and that is
all more telling to how he's going to contribute to

(28:32):
the offense.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think it's the perfect storm for Jake Ferguson to
have a bounce back season as long as Dak Prescott
can remain healthy and the Cowboys offensive line can keep
him upright, I think that you know, Jake Ferguson is
set to potentially have another pro bo season. Here's why
I say that when you look at the weapons that
were present when he had his Pro Bowl season two

(28:54):
years ago, versus the fact that now you have a
George Pickens on the roster to tandem with Cede Lamb,
and then again, assuming that Dak Prescott plays the entire season,
offensive line comes together. You can't defend everybody, You simply can't.
And Jake Ferguson's style of play, attacking the scene, getting
yalls after the catch, his aggressive dog mentality. He's one
of the enforcers on the offensive side of the ball. Biscuit.

(29:16):
He is a big biscuit. Per him, he is a
big Biscuit. Big Biscuit was in the air a few times.
Might see him in the air again this season. I
think that you know, it's it's easy and it's justifiable
for fans to wonder about the timing coming off of
the worst year that he's seen as a pro. But again,
if you look at what he's done prior, and then
you look at what he did at the collegiate level,
that was a complete aberration. He could not find chemistry

(29:37):
with Cooper Rush. He battled the concussion, he battled the
nie brain. He's healthy now, he looks good, he's moving well.
So I think that he's earned the money. And one
of the reasons that he was awarded that is because
he didn't he didn't set the market. Right, he is
mathematically the highest paid tight end in the in franchise history,
but he didn't set the market. Okay, but all things

(29:58):
being told, he's the definitive leader of that tight ends room.
He and Lounda Wales their relationship. I reported on that
on Dallas Cowboys dot Com had an exclusive Q and
A with Lounde Whales. He couldn't be more thrilled that
Jake is return. Jake could not have been more thrilled
that Lound Wales chose to return this off season. Now
they're going to be together for you know, hopefully years
to come, and that makes it That makes a lot

(30:18):
of sense as far as the productivity goes, because consistency,
it's really just hard to beat that with continuity.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
And you're talking about a guy that big dogs Jamal
Adams in Seattle. I mean, come on, you love to
see that, and that's a guy that you want to
enter team for a team that was lacking dogs arguably
over the last couple of seasons.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
You want to keep guys like that around.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
That might be my favorite play by play call, just
from like a fan standpoint I've ever made, because that
was the game I filled in for Brad and.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
He brings it up all the time.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
It's all right, well, no, it's because it made talking
cowboys like come out in me, because I was like,
that play was so badass that it.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Made the talking cowboys element like pops out in the play.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
And if you go back and listen to it, it's
like Fergie goes up to again. Jabal Adams was over
the top, but it doesn't matter. And you had that
in the call and I was like, this is awesome.
The play that he made was incredible, and he went
up and grabbed it over the top of him and
just like you said, big dog the dude.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
That's the thing is for fans that are complaining or
criticizing or criticizing the lawnmower behind us.

Speaker 8 (31:26):
Keep up the good work man.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
For those that are criticizing this deal in the way
when it got done, and this is where you want
it to get done. If you're a fan of the
Cowboys in the front office, it comes after a down year,
so the contract's cheaper than what it could be at
the end of an incredible year.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Also, not to mention, if you get any ounce of
twenty twenty.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Three, Jake Ferguson, Yeah, then you're gonna be fine.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
This contract's gonna be well well well worth it.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
You go back and you look at he had seven
hundred and ninety yards back in twenty twenty three. That
was behind guys like George Kittle, Travis Kelcey, Evan Ingram, TJ.
Hawk In, Sam Laporta, David and Joku, Trey McBride.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Good company, that's it.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
It's good company.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
He's above every other tight end in the NFL in
twenty twenty three, So if he can get back to that,
and that's not saying he's the best tight end in
the NFL. That's saying he needs to be in that
same category and some of those other guys.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
If he's in that category, I think this is a
deal well done.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
And I'll said this really quickly before you tap in
Tommy when it comes to your initial question, Kyle, who
might that now open the door for what I've learned
in covering the Cowboys, particularly as far as their training
camp negotiations, sometimes it only takes one deal to break
the damn for the next two or three deals to land.
We saw that not so long ago when it was
Trayvon Diggs, MALIEK. Cooker, Donovan Wilson. Okay, that could very

(32:43):
well be a situation here this time around. Now hopefully
that will involve Michael, but that's a much different conversation
as far as the size of that particular deal. But
I could very well see maybe a dran Bland negotiation
going well for them following this Jake Ferguson negotiation. We'll
see if Tyler Smith's negotiate because his agent was on
the field talking to the executives yesterday, so those talks

(33:03):
are in play as well. So again I'll say, normally
it only takes one contract to land and then you
will see like two or three others kind of land
in the domino. Effit.

Speaker 9 (33:13):
Yeah, I think you guys hit the nail on the
head in terms of Ferguson and what that means. I
don't even think he needs to have a twenty twenty
three esque season. I just think he needs to be
a reliable safety blanket for Dak Prescott, and if he
does that at a consistent level, then he's going to
be just fine, have a good year, and the Cowboys
offense is going to be better for it.

Speaker 7 (33:29):
I do like the point you made about is does this.

Speaker 9 (33:31):
Open the door for more negotiations, Because we were talking
to Steven Jones the other day that was asked, he said,
somebody asked I think it was Todd Archer asked him.
Coaches say the turnovers coming bunches. Can deal's coming bunches.
So sure it takes two though, Yeah, it takes two.
And that's what this front office has said from the
jump with everybody that they've been at that they've been

(33:54):
apart with you know, obviously Michael Parsons is the big
one right now that everybody's looking at, and the front
office has been adamant about that. It takes two to
tango there. But I was on the fan this morning
and they asked me a good question. It was like,
Deron Bland, Michael Parsons, Tyler Smith, in what order do
you think they sign? And I'm curious as to y'all's
thoughts on this as well. I said, Smith, Parsons, Bland.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I'm gonna go. Well. Initially when camp started and I
said this on camping out, I said, I believe that
Deron Bland will be the first one to jump out.
Happy to say I was wrong, especially considering who got
the deal done first. Jake Ferguson, big fan of ferg
I still want to go with Deron Bland. Nicks hearing
some whispers that things are moving positively with Tyler Smith.

(34:40):
So I'm going to agree with Tommy here. I'm going
to say I think because I'm hearing whispers, I think
things are moving positively. I'm gonna say Smith, Bland, Michael.
I think Michael bookends it. I think he's the biggest
obviously he's the biggest flash, but I think his is
what it kind of sets the tone for the season.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
It's interesting because they all have different situations. Yes, very
between the three specific players and the guard get paid
this morning or yesterday. Boy, I wouldn't know about that one.

Speaker 9 (35:05):
It was tackle clanking on his name charge chargers right,
thank you?

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, so another offensive line sounds like I didn't see
a guard, but you keep.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yes, later got paid. That was a big one.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
But when you look at the the three situations, Tyler Smith,
Michael Parks, is Ron Blanddron Bland, out of all three
of those guys, has the biggest chip on his shoulder
to either have an incredible season out here and try
and cash in on it and bet on himself, or
to get a deal done now where his stock is
still very high, because there's a lot of pressure on him,

(35:40):
not not by a fault of his own, but by
the fault of missing some games last year and the
fault of guys around him not being healthy. Trayvon Diggs
savone rebel guys like that that he's going to have
to rely on outside of him. He's going to be
tested against the number one receivers. At this point in time,
he will face team's number ones.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
That's just where we are as a ball club.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
So if the cornerback position stays as light as he does,
darn Blant may want to try and get this done
now because if he has a down year, his contract
worth isn't gonna be there as much now.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
The team may not want to echo that sentiment.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Whereas Tyler Smith, he's he could play out this year,
he could take as long as he wants because he
has played at the high level and he can kind
of sit back on that same thing that Micah did
last year going into last year, and then Micah of
course is where he is now. So it really all
kind of pieces together differently. But if I wouldn't have
heard the Tyler Smith whispers as well, like I would

(36:35):
probably say.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Bland gets it done because he's.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Got the encouragement and he's got the reason to go
and get it done now.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Well, if you think of Deron Bland not also being
here the past few days to welcome his child in
the world, I think that's a big part of why
maybe those whispers have kind of quieted. He obviously had
some family stuff that he needs to deal with at
this point, I would probably say Tyler Smith first, then
Deron Bland, and then Micah. It's gonna be one of
those I feel. I don't know any I feel it
would be one of those things, similar to Dak when

(37:02):
he got his deal done right before Week one like that.
I think it was the morning of that game, So
that to me kind of feels indicative. But you're talking
about Deron Bland, who wants to get his deal done
and shot. He's talked about how versatile he's going to
be out here, and seeing him on the field this year,
I mean, he's not just going to play that outside spot,

(37:22):
which is what we're kind of accustomed to from him.
I think his versatility is going to help him ultimately
because this coaching staff wants him here. I want him here,
the fans want him here because of that incredible season
that he had. Hopefully he's able to build on it
and not say it was a fluke.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
It's everything that Josh, Tommy and Cole have all said
collectively about Deron Blaine and I'm going to add this
because we're speaking about how he was he his family
were blessed enough to welcome a child just to the family.
I'm going to speak on this as a father. Okay,
So as a father. If you look at it from
that angle, I could see Deron Bland wanting to lock
up job security. I could see him wanting to make

(38:01):
sure that he and his family are is completely set,
especially with a new born looking him in the eyes.
And I asked him about it yesterday, like does this
ad now? Does it? But how does it add added
motivation as far as now that your father and whatnot?
And he said, you know, knowing that you have to
set the tone. You have to be the role model,
and you have to set the example. I hear those
father that father energy coming from him now. So not

(38:21):
only is he looking to have a strong season, but
you mentioned something Kle that the front office has to
want to do it as well. Here's why I think
they should want to do it. For everything that Josh said.
Treyvon Diggs is on Puff right now, Savon Revel is
on n F five. You just lost Kailyn Carson for
four to six weeks, and then that's him trying to
work back from a season ending shoulder injury last season.
Right now, you have Kyer elim standing out. Okay, and

(38:43):
Andrew Booth left practice, that's TBD. What's the situation there?
And he just had one of his best practices. Right
You signed Christian Matthew, who's reuniting with Matt Eberflus from
their short time in Chicago together. But you have so
many question marks to answer at cornerback right now? Which
question mark do you not have? Prison it's Deron Blan.
The only question mark you have for Deron Blan is

(39:04):
can you get back to first team All Pro status?
But as far as the foot injury being anomalous to
his durability, he's He's your versatile, versatile guy, you're trying
to figure out multiple positions. He's your durable guy. He's
your all pro that's present in accounting for right now.
I think the front office wants to get the deal done.
I think Deron Blan wants to get the deal done.
I think now that he's back in the building, can

(39:24):
grease the wheels a little.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Bit, maybe can get things going there.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
It's gonna be interesting because he could also be one
guy that the Cowboys want to let play out throughout
the season on himself and see what happens. That's what
I'm because then we gotta go to break here. But
then it comes down to him or George Pickens too,
because George Pickens is gonna be a big contract at
the end of the year that you know will be
played out.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Don't get me started on the Sailary cap. You've got space,
you can make space.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
You can make it happen.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
But at the same time, there's gonna be another contract
that's about the hit, and you're gonna have three of
the highest paid players in the NFL on your roster
at the same time. There is ways, there are ways
to finangle you are, Yeah, but I don't know if
it's going off that much.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
All right.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
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Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 4 (43:12):
All right, Uh, let's get into the defense.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
At times it feels like the defense has been behind
the offense. But I think right now you can say
the defense is in front of the offense and the
way that they've kind of worked their way into this
turnover heavy run to the football sort of Matt Eberflu's mentality.
I mean, it's been fun to watch out here in practice.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Patrick.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
I'll start with you, whatever you've been your your initial
reactions on the defense, Well.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I think the defense is doing exactly what they're setting
out to do. We saw and heard Brian Schottenheimer said
that he expects this Cowboys defense to be one of
the best in the league when it comes to taking
the ball away, and they're doing exactly that. Seems like
they do it every day. And actually it's not that
it seems like they're doing it every day. They actually
do it.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
They have done it.

Speaker 8 (43:55):
They actually do.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
It every day. And on top of that, now that
the pads are on, I mean, you're seeing guys fly around.
Malik Hooker had the best day of his camp so far.
Uh and you could argue that his intensity spilled over
just a little bit because Brian Schottenheimer said that he's
seeing too many guys on the ground. Apparently Millie Cooker
did not get that memo, because he was in fact
putting some guys on the ground. But he couldn't help himself.

(44:17):
He's he's playing. Yesterday, he was practicing like his hair
was on fire and.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Stopped pick up his footing. He slept on a screen.
He looked up and.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
But that's the that's the level of intensity. You got.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Guys like chance to break down and like veer off
and he did not.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Why do that when you can just wake a guy up. Okay,
hooker's playing to that level or practicing to that level.
Sam Williams, Uh, he's champing at the bit to the
point where he's barking in meetings, you know what I mean.
So rather it be those guys or.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Some of the other guest Parks sounded like, I'm gonna
go with it.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I figure it had some bass. I feel like it
was more rocking.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Impression is what I'm trying to get to.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
There it is, Okay, I I've got good practice doing that.
And why is that? Tell me? Why do I have
good practice? Because go dogs?

Speaker 4 (45:06):
What is your best impression? Josh, what do you think
it was?

Speaker 1 (45:11):
That's what Sam?

Speaker 8 (45:13):
Maybe you never know. I'm not gonna judge me.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
That's that's exactly my thought on your impression.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, you got to bring it from the chest, from
the inside, from the innards. But the defense is flying around,
you know, even though they're supposed to be in thudding,
only their guys on the ground, they're intercepting the ball. Uh,
They're challenging the offense to take the next steps. And

(45:43):
this ultimately should be an iron stoppings iron situation before
it's all sit and done.

Speaker 6 (45:48):
First thing I'm seeing when it comes to the defense,
I was very concerned after losing Al Harris last offseason.
To me, I don't think the secondary has taken a
step back because David Overstreet has done an amazing job
with the secondary so far.

Speaker 8 (46:04):
And just seeing their bond grow as we get energy,
His energy, the the the But.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
The bond between the secondary so far has been a
parent You see them picking the ball off like crazy,
you see them celebrating, you see them encouraging each other.
That's exactly what you want to see. Obviously we're here
at training camp. It all depends, and I talked about it,
what was it last episode recorder on Thursday where it's like,
does this concern you how much the defense is taking
the ball away? But I just think it's all encompassing

(46:32):
of how the team is reacting and like they're scoring practice,
the coaching staff is scoring practice. I think that's I
haven't heard of that before. To me, it just sounds
like they have the right mentality going into it. I
have questions on other sides of the defense, but at
least the secondary currently is is shining.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Safeties or are you talking corner rotation to.

Speaker 8 (46:54):
Corner corner safety.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Mollie Cooker is a stands played really well, another standout
if he's on the field, and that's that's that's the
fun problem.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
When they're on the field, are they gonna be fine?
Are they? Are they good?

Speaker 5 (47:08):
But they haven't been on the field a whole lot.
I mean, the secondary I agree with you is when
they're out there. Give a lot of credit to this
coaching staff for what they've done with kyer elm might
be the biggest pickup of the off season and we
haven't even played a game yet. Yeah, he may be
the biggest acquisition in this offseason, not counting the NFL Draft,
but that they made from a trade or a signing

(47:30):
or what it.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
Wasn't making moves when we when that move was made
and when that trade was made.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
He's kind of like he could be a starter even
after everybody comes back.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
You can find his way into a rotation. If kyer
Elan plays like this and he's your fourth corner, what.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Are you talking?

Speaker 5 (47:47):
That would be a we would feel so much better
about this group came back.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
It also bears mentioning that in the Dan Quinn era,
we know that Dan Quinn was responsible for this Cowboys
defense leading the league in takeaways.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Two training camps would go they were taking the ball
away just like they are right now, and two years
ago Dak Prescott went on to become NFL MVP running row. Yeah,
so I wouldn't put too much stock in the fact
that the Cowboys defense is taking the ball away as
it relates to Oh, well, I'm concerned that the offense
is not give them time to jail. They'll be fine.
I want to see the defense doing exactly what he's

(48:20):
doing right.

Speaker 7 (48:21):
Now, and you want to see a good balance, right.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
I think it's always.

Speaker 9 (48:23):
Good to have balance between the two because you don't
want one side just dominating the other all the time,
because then that tells you that one side isn't as
strong as the other.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
That was exactly how I felt last year when I
was like, this defense looks good, man, and then it
was that constantly all of last camp, and I was like, man,
this defense is something, and it was more so indicative
of how the offense is going to operate and how
kind of just not gelling they were. They didn't have
the juice really last year, especially in terms of like

(48:53):
running back. But yeah, I think what you're saying, balance
is key here.

Speaker 9 (48:57):
And I'll say this with Matty Erfluss's defense, you're more
than likely gonna get two things. You're gonna stop the run,
You're gonna turn the ball over. And one thing I
think he's getting this year that he didn't get as
much in Chicago is these guys are.

Speaker 7 (49:08):
Gonna get after the quarterback. Oh, these guys are going
to get after the quarterback.

Speaker 9 (49:11):
Dak Prescott has been in the trenches sometimes in these
practices because he just doesn't have the time to throw.
The pocket collapses on him so fast. And it's because
the Cowboys defense has a plethora of edge rushers. They
can get home and can get to the quarterback, which
is something that Maddy Briflus just didn't have in Chicago
and now he does.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
I think when you look at this defense in this
competition that they're having with the offense, like you said,
I haven't heard of it scored as diligently, but people
kind of keep track of it, and that's kind of
where it is. But I mean, like to your point,
Brian Schottenheimer's like, Yeah, the defense won this drill.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
The offense won this trial, the defense won this drill,
and then we went.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
To a tiebreaker that included props in the pads early
on just to break the tide for the day. So
the defense or offense, whatever it was, won the day.
So all of that that plays into that competition element
every day. The fact that it is as even as
it has been and it is a back and forth.
That's exactly what you want to see. And that plays
to what Tommy was just talking about. You have to
see consistency because if the offense is dominating on one end,

(50:11):
and I think they have at certain points of this camp,
but then the defense is answered back and then it's
been back and forth from there. And so I thought
yesterday I thought the offense looked better. I would have
said the off.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Oh yeah, time looked cleaner.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Even though Schottenheimer said that they won Saturday's practice, I
thought Saturday was a lot of run game, a lot
of ground stuff, and the passing game was very shaky.
Going back and watching yesterday, it looked like they found
some rhythm on the offensive side in the passing game.
And if you can continue to have that back and forth,
I think this is going to be a really productive.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
As rooted in the offensive line starting to come together.
So that's why it would have been that much more
devastating if you lose Tyler Guiden for the season, because
Guyden had another strong game, strong practice yesterday, as you
alluded to, especially against Ezraku. And we can't stress just
enough although israk who is a rookie And this is
not the hype machine because I don't do the hype machine,
but based upon what I'm seeing and also what coaches

(51:09):
are saying, and I posted on Twitter yesterday.

Speaker 8 (51:11):
Look at you can't look at what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Look at old Diggi Zoo's face when I asked him
what impresses him most about Israeko? Just go look at
his facial expression because that'll tell more than the actual
quote itself. There's an elation that kind of washed over
his face, like this kid when you get a guy
of that caliber osa having that kind of reaction talking
about a rookie. And then you on the flip side,
you see Tyler Guidon being able at least fifty percent

(51:36):
of the time, more often than fifty percent of the
time winning those reps. Guytan is on the right pass
so the offensive line is jelling you hate that guy
is going to miss the entirety of the preseason and
the rest of training camp. But hopefully when he comes back,
he can pick right back up where he's leaving off.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
And he had some ups and downs.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
He had some good things that he did, he had
some bad things that he did, and there was a
lot of hype around him. I think a lot of
it was hope instead of hype. And the hype started
for me yesterday before the injury, and so that was
when he went down. It was really it was a
devastating one. Best wishes to Tyler and all the other guys.
I mean, there have been a long list of injuries already. Yeah,

(52:11):
some of them more severe than others. But hopefully we'll.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Get those guys back here Richards pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Show me you're awesome.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
It's gonna be a big one for awesome Richards over
the next couple weeks.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
All right, We will be back.

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