October 30, 2025 • 48 mins
The trade deadline is closing in, and the Talkin’ Cowboys crew is on the edge - split on whether Dallas should target a defensive tackle or an edge rusher. Kyle Youmans, Patrik Walker, Isaiah Stanback, and Josh Rodriguez debate the move that could swing the season, plus a Cowboys defense vs. Cardinals offense preview and Patrik’s drops science in the “Lab Koat” segment.
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First off, you're in for a wild one.
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Welcome to every day, every day, but specifically today, We're
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And guess what you ain't goin nowhere.
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We need we need a little bit of that. We
need a little lightness on top of all the darkness we.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
See every I like the way you put that hate
back of.
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Welcome into Talking Cowboys. Everybody, it is a Thursday. We're
gonna have lab code in the third segment, So Patrick
goc Walker is.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Going to drop some science.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Absolutely, what are we talking about today in lab coat?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Listen?
Speaker 7 (02:39):
The Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, we are talking about the castles.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Okay, that's good. It ain't at least we're on topic.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It ain't pretty smash smash, which is we talk about.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Stephen Jones said earlier this week when he was asked
on One three Fan if the Cowboys are still a
playoff team. He still views the Cowboys of the playoff team,
and he said absolutely that absolutely has stuck in my
crawl ever since my craw not in the crawl in
my Where is that located? It's a family show, curious
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at least sometimes never heard of it. Yeah, it's well, okay,
you're not from the South. I'm not from you're not
from the South?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, yes, northwest South.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, something sticking in your craw is absolutely a Southern phrase.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh yeah, it's a thing. So we'll we'll talk about
that because absolutely.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
Use in Washington, is it like grinding your throwing in
the side buttering.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
They were just grinding my gears with that whole thing.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Is probably gonna okay, yeah, same, Okay, it irked me.
Stuck in the crawl.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Little residue.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Is patrick when you talk about Stephen Jones saying that's
the ground?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, So let's just say we'll talk about how absolutely
shouldn't have a subjective definition based on who's answering the question.
Yeah it is the cow Are the Cowboys a playoff team?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
We'll talk about that nice coming up in segment three,
We're gonna of course preview the Dallas defense going up
against the Arizona Cardinals offense.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
In the second segment, I did the Lord's work the
other day, did I did? What is that? It was
on Tuesday when I was on Good Morning Football.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
They were talking there talking, no, no, listen, I represent
our people, Okay. They were asking about Cinderella teams. They
said Cinderella teams. I said, I don't like the term Cinderella,
but they're pretty much saying like teams that you have
to be aware of that could get into the playoffs
based upon their current standings, right, And I so teams
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that are under the radar, under the raid because of.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
The start exactly. And I went to bat for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I went to bat for the Cowboys, and I said
that the Cowboys get into which play because I truly
believe it. I said, I believe the Cowboys sneak into
the playoffs and the number two spot in the NFC
East with eight eight and one.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's what I said. Did they get in with eight
eight and one? That's how they slide into the playoffs?
So what will you giants? Oh? Seven, well, eleven.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Eleven, twenty eleven, So you think there they could be
the twenty eleven Giants.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yes, That's when I walked away with jewelry.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Hmm, you can see.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's why you have the date, Bernie. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The only part of me that disagrees. We've talked about
this before. This team is not as far off as
you think, and there are there are ways to fix
it now. And that's why I think all of us
collectively have said, please do something and the next week
and a half.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I mean, you don't know, it's less than that. How
many days? Now says it's five days.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Yeah, it's next Tuesday, tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So with all that being said, they're not too far off,
but with the schedule that they have in front of them,
it is not easy.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
You know what, it was worse before the season started.
What was worse the schedule was worse the team.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
I mean that's always yeah, you mean, because that's the
parody of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, but you've already.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Lost to the Broncos and I hear the Panthers. I
hear you in both of those teams. Going into the year,
you probably would have said you had a shot against it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
But that's actually.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Proving his point though, because before the season started, that skip,
that part of the schedule looked a lot leaner than
it did now that we're currently in it, and the
Panthers and the Broncos both look a lot better than
you kind of expected going into the season. Yeah, yeah,
I'm kind of with you, and I don't think those
powerhouse teams that you're expecting at the end of the
schedule are quite the same look at the I mean
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the Vikings we were talking about as like Washington, I
don't know Washington. I don't know even the Chiefs to
some extent, Brandon, they're kind of back on track.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Chargers are better than what you thought they were going
into the year. Of course, the Eagles, the Chiefs, and
the Lions are still juggernauts in this league.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
The Raiders probably aren't.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That you anticipated that being a win, and they're not
going to go down without a fight. You think Ashton
gent is gonna have something to say about playing against
the Cowboys after growing up in Frisco.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
I mean, it has a lot to say.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
He had.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Whatever he wants to say with the whole line is, yeah,
no matter what I think, and what really.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I think, I think eight wins. I truly think eight
eight and one.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
I don't think that's out of the Roman possiblity at all.
I think that's fair.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
What that gets you in and eight eight and one
in the NFC, Yes, in the NFC, Yes, with the
commanders stumbling it, it might might very well. But what's
gonna with the the ratchet in the in the gears
is really going to be if you somehow survive Philly.
And I believe you can't survive Philly because you almost
beat Philly. But that's still going to be a mark.
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He's going to be a Philly Kansas City who looks
back on track, the Detroit Lions powerhouse. You don't know
what you get from the Vikings toss up. Maybe Vikings Chargers.
We already know Herbert is playing. He's playing like he's playing.
If you somehow survived that, those the fact that your
last two games or division division games could could very
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well fall right into this point.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I think you need six.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I'm giving five. Fine, I'm giving I mean who I
think who they take. I'm not making any No, it's
not Friday. But you got Arizona, you got the Raiders.
I think you Minnesota. I think you win that one
to Washington.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And New York.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You got a shot to win all of those games.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Absolutely, that's what I think. Eight and one. I think
you split with Washington. I do too. You've already won one,
so that means and that means you know, I don't.
So here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I said, you split with Washington because at that point,
if it even if it plays out to what you're saying,
that means that Week seventeen game might be deciding between
Washington and the Cowboys who gets the wildcard spot. So
Washington's going to play out of their mind. And oh,
by the way, you're in Washington. Granted Dak Prescott excels
in Washington, but still nonetheless, I mean commanders Washington. Washington
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is having a lot of issues right now. I agree
they've lost their rather not getting Doran's back for the year. Yeah,
so they've lost a lot of positions that are influential
the year Eler's gone. I think Scary Terry is hindered.
I don't know that he'll be himself this year because
that quad is just.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
Both of those receivers or not quad is the quad Obviously.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
They don't, So I just think that their compen defense, but.
Speaker 7 (09:07):
At least not to throw water on the conversation or anything.
But I think that goes to the point that you're
going to make in Science Lab too. It's like this,
I'm thinking of the playoff team.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Oh okay, so question being that the one should not
get in the playoffs, but it should not. It should not,
but it has it is okay, real quick with the position.
We'll have one more show, two more shows before the trade.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Three.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Actually, Tuesday's going to be basically a trade deadline preview for.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Sure, positional need and then they'll wait until our show
is over to make a move one position.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
If you were to make a move one position right now.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Defensive tackle, edge rusher, edge rush, edge edge tackle tackle.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Okay, yeah, you think that you're going defensive line either way.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
You think the edge is going to make a big difference. Yes,
nobody's given up their premier defensive edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Not yet.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And I wouldn't be willing to give up the given
one up.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
I wouldn't be willing to give the compensation where they
have to give to get an edge right now. I
wouldn't be willing to give up the composition that you have.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
To agree is fair.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
I'd be willing to give up the compensation for to.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Get a sack tier because you're gonna get a second
tier right defensive airG DRC. If you get one, you're
gonna get a second tier edge rusher. You're not gonna
get the premiere.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I think I can agree with it, and you're gonna
have to overpay it.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Don't think about premiere. You think about Crosby Hutchinson, Micah Garrett.
Those are premiere, Yeah, locked up, So people beneath that
are second tier.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
There's not disrespect, it just is what it is. There's
levels of everything.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
You would be getting a second tier edge rusher, and
you would have to give up something hefty in order
to get them in a team that's going to give
them up probably has other pass r I'm not considered
better than them.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'm not making that move if it's not unless it's
for and.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Nobody's giving up an elite pass rusher. Probably they're signing them.
That's the point, is what they're doing.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
So to that point that that's why I feel strongly
about I think.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Somebody would give up a premier detackle.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
I also feel like linebackers in their process as well.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Probably one might also give up a premier safety. Yes,
I don't think if it's a team safety safety, you
definitely need help as safety. But I think the greatest impact.
The greatest impact is a dtackle because if you have
a if you bring in a great D tackle, a great,
not a good, a great D tackle, and you put
him next to Clark and Osa, I think that you
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now are formidable against the run. And if you could
be formidable and take away something that the opposing team
can do, well, yes, now you can focus on one
aspect that you're weak. Right now, you're trying to focus
on multiple So.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
To get solidify one, to be mid.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
At a couple of spots you're mid and right. If
you could be remotely dominant or at least discouraging at
one spot and take away one aspect of a game, now,
all of a sudden, now is process of elimination.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I can negate what you're doing.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
I don't improves linebacker play as well.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Absolutely, the linebackers that you have would be the benefactors
of a solid D line. Think about all the great defenses, honestly,
think about the great defenses in history. They all had
solid D lines. Oh yeah, we can't all agree on
the D line for sure. I'm not talking about it. No,
you're talking d d ns don't help linebackers be great.
D tackles help linebackers be great. So if you can't
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turn over your linebackers, and you have talented linebackers that
just need need some assistance because they're getting blocked by
three hundred pounds, get the dominant D tackles, and all
of a sudden, your linebacker has become better because what
do they do do best?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And I like that.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
I like the point that you're making, though, is that
getting a defensive tackle would improve not only the defensive
tackle and sure the defensive line, but also the linebacker,
where as an edge rusher would only improve.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
So let me paint this this this context for you,
and I don't disagree.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I don't disagree.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Everything you're saying.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, but let me and this is Kyle's gonna love
this guy segways right to the run.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I completely disagree, I say, and that rarely happens.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Here happens.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Here's why I don't believe they will trade for defensive
tackle number one. You already did that, okay that I
don't see them doing it twice in one season. But also,
and this is not from a me standpoint, I'm telling
you what their thought is going to be understood.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Who returned to practice yesterday.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Okay, now you can have the conversation all the live
long day about oh, is that going to be enough?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I don't know that it will be.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
So I agree that it may not be enough, and
that if you were going to entertain it, you wouldn't
let Perreon Winfrey stop you from entertaining it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
That's my stance.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
However, let's flip to the to the front office, this
thought process, the fact that they have returned Perryon Winfrey
to practice five days six days yesterday, six days ahead
of the trade deadline, which means they haven't seen Pereon
Winfrey on the field yet. They're going to apply belief
there and they're going to tell themselves that Perryon Winfrey
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is the solution behind Kenny Clark and alongside O SO
and Sally. I'm telling you that's what they're going to
tell them. I understand what you're saying. I would love
to be incorrect, but I'm telling you, based on covering
this team and their moves in their thought process or
respect your expert, that's what they're looking at all right,
Not that I agree, but that's what out side of
pereyon Winfrey, so we can get back on the track
outside of now this is on track because the rundown
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was Parry, Harry and Winfrey. We can't have any expectations
of him right now. So let's move him to the
side as should Let's move him we can's.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Push him to the side. Okay, who's behind Clark? Name
the two people it's.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Switching at.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I don't, So you're going to go. I'm still I'm
going to go.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
You're a dominant detail, not not a good one, not
a contributor, a dominant I'm talking about somebody who walks
up to the line of scrimmage. You see him and
Kenny Clark next to each other, and you're like, crap,
let's go to the outside and where your linebackers go.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
We can run a hit. There's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Does anybody have any questions about our current linebackers ability
to run and hit unimpeded by offensive lineman. No, So
you automatically get better. You automatically get better. You're running defense,
Your run rush defense gets substantially better. Your your ability
for your linebackers to build their confidence they're running hit
and do what they do best.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Increases by changing one one position.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
If you get a defensive end, yes, you could can
improve in the past us until they put somebody else
over there to help block, and then what everybody else?
Every other position is still the same. Your rush defense
still didn't improve. Your linebackers are still having the same
issues they have. You can solve a lot with this defense.
This the safety position needs help because their communication has
been pepula pew. But in terms of impacting the front
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seven D tackle, get it. And there's teams that are
struggling right now that have dominant D tackles. There are
teams that are willing to say, hey, we're in the
in the crapper, you.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Want him, now here you go.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And I'm going to throw this to caut How many
teams are struggling with the dominant pass rush off the edge?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Nobody's giving That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Nobody know what I'm saying, Like, it's possible to still
struggle with an elite name and five dominant defensive ends
in this league, Doman.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You just named most of them, and Garrett Crosby, And.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Are any of those teams give up their guys? Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
So we said we all agree with Las Vegas may
be looking for it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
We all agree. We all agree of them are great.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, we all agree that they are not giving You're
not giving up a dominant defensive end.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You're not. So do you believe that for the right price.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think for the right price, what Dallas is willing
to give up, let's yes, But we don't We don't
know what Dallas is. We definitely know, we definitely know
anybody's guys gonna require if you want to get a
dominant defensive end. You're talking about you're in a conversation
of a first and a couple of twos threes like
you're you're giving up.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
But we don't know what Dallas is willing to give.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That's what I'm sacking.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I don't know what they are willing to do.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And if one of the player, if there's a of
capital to do it and it's going to secure you
an elite level at Edge Rusher, I think it will
be possible.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It is possible that that that you.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Know what, I don't disagree. Everything is possible.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
However, the probability of any of these teams giving up
their elite pastors, we.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Just went through it. Sure, Michael, you just had just had.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
He's the nature of the position. Mass rushers are premier
and they cost more. Defensive tackles are not that flashy
premiere position, so they don't cost as much.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
That's why I want That's why you which is fine.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I get it. Suring shoring up.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
What you've got on the inside of that interior defensive
line is going to help your football team. I don't
disagree there, but I'm also going to raise you the
fact that this isn't the only spot on the defense
that needs help.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You need help everywhere else you do. And you already
if you would.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Argue out of defensive tackle, ed rusher, linebacker, corner, safety,
who has played the best out of those five position
groups on the defensive side, my answer would be the
interior of the defensive line.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Even more reason to get a dominant guy. You can
be more dominant.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
But the second Kenny Clark is out, what are you do?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
He's not out, He was almost out, He was almost.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
But this guy was gonna fall At that point, they're
they're going to save.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You can say that with anything.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You could say, oh, what happens whenever, but Dak Press
got out.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
What happens when Jake fred out.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You can have that same conversation with you, but can
you Disagree's have seven defensive tackles that can play football
and allow for the rest of our defense to fall apart.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
You have one, you have one that you got three,
you have one. You have one that discourages the opposing
team from running up the middle.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
One, let me ask you. Let me ask you is
keep it one hundred question. What's the most important position
in all the football quarterback?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Quarterback?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Okay, so if you harass, terrorize, and take down the quarterback,
you probably but you can probably see that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Though you can scheme.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
I don't know you can sack a quarterback five times
in a single game and not win this year.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's a handful of guys there.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Again, we just went down the list of a handful
of guys that can single handedly disrupt your game. Like
like what I'm saying, Like you can circle them and say,
these guys are different, these guys are different, Miles Garrett,
Max Crosby, Hutchinson, Micah. Outside of that, there's a handful
of other guys that you're like, Okay, these guys, they
can affect the game, but you're not fearful of anybody
else outside of those guys, maybe a hunter down there
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and with the Houston Texas. Other than that, there's some
really good path streussers. But they're not those guys, right,
you know what I'm saying. Those guys are premiere, like
cream of the crop. Like, hey, those guys, whatever the
heck they want, because they're that dominant. Outside of that,
there's not you can literally discourage teams from running the
ball straight straight, That's where you're issuing, and then.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
They're going to drop back and past.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, then they're gonna throw it all under in terms
of they'ren.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You have to make one move.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
This is my question.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
If you had to make one move, that one move
at DETAC will improves multiple position groups.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I would argue a pass rusher does the same.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Not even a little bit. It gives a little bit teams.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Teams have all day to throw the football.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
And then what if ax is in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
What if we talked about with these mobile quarterbacks, when
they get outside the pocket, how does that affect your
secondary contain? How do they get outside the pocket. I'm
not arguing you're not fixed. I'm not arguing that you're
that you don't have other issues. We understand that.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
That's what I'm saying is if you had to make
one move, what move is going to be the most
impactful for your entire defense. But here's here's where Kyle
and I correct me from. Here's where Kyle and I
stand in relation to your Yeah, you went and got
a pass rusher, right as it stands, safety, safety, cornerback, linebacker,
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defensive end, defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Of those groups.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
The team, the group that has had the strongest showing
for the most part of the season is defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You're saying, throw more at that.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And ignore the glaring issue at one of the weakest
points of your attack, which is defensive end, which also
rather you agree or not, it's true as it also
helps impact what happens on the back end because if
you're pressuring these quarterbacks and you're knocking them off the
spot and you're keeping contained.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
That helps keep them in the pocket.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Guess what now, Your defensive tackles, when they penetrate, they
can get to them. Windows get shortened on the back end,
But when they break, when they break contain, linebackers get stressed,
cornerbacks get stressed. Secondary safeties can stressed and then chunk
plays explosive downfields.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So I'm right there with out right here.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
So let me give you a different perspective from from
a quarterbacks perspective. I can promise you I was less
concerned about dns than I was about detackles because you
can move completely more. All of them can move absolutely.
But guess what I'm telling you. If you have two
dominant defensive linement, how many offensive linemen are required to
block them?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Probably two, three to four, three, three to four.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So now now your defensive ends now have what you
single up right one on one matchups. Correct.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I don't disagree.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
That's how football. We're not disagreeing, Isaiah, but you're disagreement.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yes, you're saying not even an impactful on an upgrade upgrade.
Le's talk about your egos. Okay, where do you not
want to go up the middle? However, do they have
a dominant pass rusher right now? But do they have
pass rushes who can impact the game? Do the Cowboys
have pass rushers who can impact the game? And I'm
not talking about easy Eagles. He's progressing, But for the
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most part, at least the Eagles have who edge rushers
that are serviceable at least.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
I think getting you a defensive tackle and shuring up
that spot makes those pass rushers.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Better better, and you could argue, you can.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Argue on both sides.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
You can argue on most sass rusher can impact positively
the defensive tax.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
But you're not going to get an elite one.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Here's here's just not an upgrade you need anything.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
There.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Your your best defensive tackle right now, tell you it's.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Less impactful than a de tackle. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Your best defensive tackles right now are Kenny Clark and Osaz.
That's a good one to two punch on the inside
of your defensive line. Good When you look outside, you've
got a growing Donovan Azeraki and you have James Houston
who have made the most impact at your edge rusher spot.
Nothing against those two guys, but you can upgrade at
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that position. When you go get a dominant defensive tackle.
All that's doing is taking one or two of Osa
or Kenny off the field, and then it's just I
get it. Are you gonna play three defensive tackles? Do
you consider Osa to be a true one technique? No,
he's a three takes three alays. Can he play five?
Probably not? Absolutely, he can't.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
He hasn't done a whole lot of that. Here's my thing.
I don't disagree with you that they can be better
at stopping the run. And I don't disagree with you
that having another dominant defensive tackle can help your linebackers.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
All of that is factual, all of that can be happening.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But I think when you have your main problem right
now as quarterbacks having time to throw picking apart your
secondary and a secondary that is stretched so thin at
safety and at cornerback, that anything you can do to
take time off their plate you're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Stopping the run has always been secondary in this defense,
and still they do that better than they do with
stopping the pass, right, And that's why I want to pass.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
That's what we are in real quick.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I don't disagree with anything you're saying.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
You want to be mid everywhere. No, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I want to be serviceable on defense, which is the
whole point there.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It does no ball, You're right, we agree, Isaia knows ball.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Not disagreeing with what I say.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
But for the gentleman in the chat that's saying what
Kyle and noci are missing is that the losses are
predicated to pun the Cowboys run defense. Okay, we're not
missing that. What we're saying is the Cowboys made a
trade for a three time pro bowler.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yes, okay, so, and.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
They paid eighty million dollars to their three.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Technique exactly so in their mind, and before week five,
I'll say the run defense showed it could do some things.
Before week five and going through now you have how
many instances of the past rush impacting the game positively?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Maybe one one New York. That's all you got.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
So we're not we're not missing the point of the
run defense needs to be what it is. We're saying,
you are so deficient an impact on the edges versus
your ability to impact the middle of the defense, that
you have to.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Attack the weakest point when you're adding talent. That's all
we're saying.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
We're not saying the world beaters that were stopping the run,
we're saying they can't change the game. All we have
different approaches. If I was a general manager, I want
to be dominant somewhere. I don't want to I don't
want to be I want to be in in a
couple of places. I want to be dominant somewhere where
are you dominant? I want to be dominant in the middle.
Take away something that they do. I don't want them
to have the ability to feel comfortable and confident doing
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everything because I have one guy who may or may
not get to the quarter.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
But you're at a seventies disagreeing that.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Our point being kyling out, our point being you can
be dominant in the middle.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Wonderful. That's wonderful. Would love that, Love that.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
But the quarterback having time to throw, being able to
break contain to stress your linebackers and your secondary that's oh,
by the way, suffering so many injuries. They don't know
what to do with themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Why would you cool?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
You can stop the run and then Russell Wilson is
going to come in and throw for five hundred.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Y'all.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
What Josh and I are saying is your guys that
you have that you don't feel comfortable and competent with
right now become serviceable when you are able to dominate
in one area. We're saying, if you have to make
one change, that make the biggest ripple effect.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
De tackle does that.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
It makes your defensive ends have one on one matchups
allows or your linebackers are running hit everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
That whole front seven gets better.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
As a whole, as I just said, and we do
have to go to break. As I just said, I
think you've already gotten solid defensive tackle play and it
hasn't mattered outside.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
That's that's the point from me, solid dominant correct?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Solid? Are you even remote? Solid on the even remotely? Not?
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Sorry I came with the curve ball, but I like
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We're football guys, yeah, right, like football part of the
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love it so much, or the debates that come out
of it, of course. I mean, and as long as
you're able to be civil in a debate and debate
with your brothers civilized, it's it's legitimately one of the
most fun things, so good that you could possibly do.
That's why people love fantasy.
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Football, because you get to fight with everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah.
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I got enough fight my best man at my wedding
yesterday because he meddled in a trade I was trying
to make on my foot.
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Dynasty League got mad at you.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Sounds super villain. I'm telling you I was legitimate.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yes, he's trying to be Adam schefter for our league
and also try and be a GM in our league.
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And it's a conflict of interest where he knows what a.
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Conflict of interest in the use of fantasy football is insane.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
But this is the point we getting it to all
the legalities.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Kyle has filed an injunction on his best friend.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I was trying to get his draft picks taken away.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Actually, I've got a text message I said I would
like to file.
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A former formal complaint. I was like, and I would
have gotten away with it too.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
And your friends say, I'll take that up with the GM.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Where you take.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
He says nah?
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He says nah, they all down vote Shut up, Kyle.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
All right, let's get into the defensive preview here for
the Cowboys. Defense taking on the Arizona Cardinals offense. We
talked a lot about the Cardinals defense and how they
are going to combat Dak Prescott and company in yesterday's show,
so if you haven't already, go check it out. But
of course, Arizona doesn't really know what's going on on
the offensive side of things except for one guy, and
(31:08):
his name is Trey McBride.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
He's had an incredible year.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
He is taking steps forward from the tight end position,
one of the leading threats at the tight end position
through the NFL. With what quarterback though, But that's the point.
Kyler Murray has been out the last couple of weeks.
Jacoby Brissette has been playing pretty good football as the
backup there. Kyler is questionable going into this matchup. I
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think Arizona believes he's playing.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
He's playing.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
It looks like he is going to play SAT and
T Stadium's exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
He is nine and oh all time at AT and
T Stadium.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Which includes high school, YEP, college.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Five and oh in high school.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
I don't like those words.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
At Allen High School five and oh.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
He won three state championships at Allen High School, then
he went one to OH at Texas A and M
one and oh at Oklahoma, and then he's two and
oh with the Arizona Cardinals to make his nine and
oh record.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
At least he has never embarrassed us on Monday night football, right.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Oh yeah, that that that already happened.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Oh, so you're saying that Kyler Murray is undefeated in
the building, he's playing back at home, his job is
at risk of being lost, and he's playing on the
only night, the only game on Monday night football where
the whole world is.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Watching and call of duty's not out yet.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
So and against uh, one of the worst defenses.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
In the NFL. Yeah, I think he's one of you
think he's.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
Inting there being nice? Why the worst?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Just stay with your chest.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
It's not Friday yet, buddy.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
The facts of the facts, they are the worst.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Where y Bright likes better at quarterback?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
That's good questions, probably Jacoby, honestly, Yeah, that's definitely Jacoby.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
You think so?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I know so based upon the stats, twenty one games
with Kyler Murray three touchdowns? Was it three games with
Jacoby Brissett three touchdowns?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Oh? Very ansterwout That is the math more math thing.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Two games I fault twenty one games with Murray three
nine yard average, three touchdowns, sixty seven yards per game.
Brissette two games, twelve yards or mean twelve twelve catches
a game, nine.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Twelve targets a game.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I fault nine receptions, seventy three receiving.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yards, three touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
So what you're saying is more yards, more attempts, more catches,
more catches, same amount of touchdowns in two games versus
twenty one games. So the way twenty one trade McBride
is to play Kyla Murror.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
He's a right, that was that was on the rundown,
that was going to stop trading.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Packetty, that'll do it in our finale episode if you
could do it's a favorite coach can and that would
be great.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah no, But on a serious note, who would.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Dallas want to see a quarterback Jacoby Brissett more of
a pocket passer, solidified player.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I'm serious, I'm serious. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Or here's why it doesn't matter, because you don't want
to see Kyler Murray's little video game self running all
over the field, extending plays, moving the chains, et cetera.
Because you can't keep containing. But at the same maybe
trade for an interest. But if if it's Jacoby Brissett
more of a pocket guy, well the problem with that
(34:20):
is you have a secondary that's struggling to cover primarily
because they're being asked to do something that they're not
comfortable doing, which is zone coverage. And we talked about
this earlier this week, Isaiah, you bought the feature for
from Josh that the Cowboys would break the fifty percent
mark on Man.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
They moved in the wrong direction. So now you just
you just don't know what you're going to get.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So you have to assume that it's going to be
another zone heavy situation. And so Jacoby Brissett, he's a veteran,
a lot of skins on the wall.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
He knows how to read zone coverage.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
The Cowboys rather see Uncle Rico play quarterback.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
No, I don't know Uncle Rico mountains. Yeah that's true.
What if the Cowboys need give up plays? All right?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So he don't Marico would give the day or Napoleon
when he threw the pork chop.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I mean, you know, I think it's I.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Think diagnosing this defense for Jacobe percent would be a
lot easier than Kyle Kyler Murray the offense doesn't look
as crisp with Kyler Murray in the backfield. But granted,
it's that dual threat that's going to give you problems
either way. I don't think you like either matchup for
the Dallas defense because, again, like we've talked about many
times this whole week, basically, the Dallas Cowboys are the
worst defense in the NFL. You don't want to see
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either of them. So give me Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, give me Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Take Kyler yeah, because their their past concepts are completely different.
When Kyler Murray's any game, doue too. Yeah, it's just
basic stuff. I mean, they do bootleg freaking all the time.
They bootleg boot leg.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Because they want him out of the pocket. Wan him
out of the pocket, yeat. So getting him out of
the pocket.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Now, obviously he's a threat to run, so you have
to have But that's one of the things that Cowboys
linebackers actually do well. They run right, They run, They
can run, they can hit, So you can have guys
that can match him. I don't want to say match him,
but at least keep up with him athletically. And the
concepts are pretty predictable. They're relatively predictable. Once he gets
out of the pocket and you start talking about boot leg,
there's only so many different routes that you can run.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
As long as we have good communication.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
And then they, yeah, you can pass it off, but
do you No, Yeah, it's tough for it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I figured out just lebron.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Therefore, is it tough for a defense to have both
quarterbacks on their mind going into a matchup when they
haven't had the best success whenever it comes to preparation
in the early parts of the week. You get an
extra day going into Monday night football. But they're having
the plan for both Jacoby Brissette and for Kyle.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
They feel the same way we feel.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I think they have a good inkling that that Kyder
Murray's most likely probably And again, if you have if
Jacoby Brissette was going to sit back in a bubble
and you guys are obviously not happy with the pass rush,
then I would much rather have a Kyler Murray that
likes to get out the pocket, where he's out the
bubble and now I have opportunity to go get him.
(37:00):
I just I just don't feel like that's a good bubble.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Pup bubble Buddy SpongeBob reference.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
I just I feel like you have to prepare for both,
and I feel like as a veteran defensive coordinator in
the NFL, you should be well versed in doing so,
because on any given week you're going to run up
against the situation where you know it might be an
injury and you just don't know which quarterback is going
to start. So this this won't be your first time
having to prep for two quarterbacks. And then, like you said, Kyle,
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great point, you have an added day to do that,
so there is no excuse to be unprepared regardless of
which quarterback is back there. Now, being prepared is one
thing check hopefully, So what that preparation looks like, as
far as what scheme you're going to call, what does
that preparation look like? As far as translating to execution
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or lack the rug, communication or lack the rug, That's
where for me, I've seen so many instances of things
falling apart in those latter two categories for the Cowboys defense,
that be it Jacoby Brissett, Orkler Murray. You're equally in
trouble because of injuries, because of schematic issues, because of
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communication issues, because of execution issues and because of effort issues. So,
like you said, be Uncle Rico back there. You're in
trouble until you're not in trouble with this defense. You're
in trouble until you show me otherwise.
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talking Cowboys.
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This, Like, g how's it going. You see that Cowboys game? Oh?
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I've been seeing some good things totally. They have some talent.
You have some great talent, and they got some fight
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By the way, I'm Travis. Nice to meet you.
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he still believes this Cowboys team at three four and
one with the worst defense in the league could still
be a playoff team with the worst the worst. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I don't have a problem with optimism.
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(42:27):
this right from the gullet of Webster themselves. Absolute with
no qualification, restriction or limitation totally. Okay, So with no equivocation, totally,
This Dallas Cowboys team can be a playoff team this season.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Here's my problem with that.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
At three four and one, let's just look at the numbers,
you have only a fourteen four, twenty four percent chance
I'm making the playoffs. Twenty four percent chance of making
the playoffs at.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
Three forourm one doesn't seem very good.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Doesn't seem very good. Not good.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
There's a greater than three fourths chance that you will
miss the playoffs. As we have this conversation at the
time of that question being answered, should the Cowboys lose
to the Cardinals on Monday night, they will drop to
three five and one, and their odds will fall off
a cliff and it will go from twenty four percent
to only fifteen percent chance.
Speaker 7 (43:20):
Roberts, that is not good.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Now, Now your next question is might be well, no, see,
if they defeat the Cardinals, that's got to be good.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Of course, it's good.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Wins are always good getting back to five hundred, giving
yourself a chance and a division that outside of the
Eagles is still trying to figure yourself out.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
That's that's great, that's good.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
It's also true, though, that it will only improve your
chances of making the playoffs by three percent. So you'd
go from twenty four percent chance of not making the
playoffs to twenty seven percent chance of not making the
playoffs should you beat the Cardinals. So will there be
ground gained, Yes, if you beat the Cardinals. But I
say all of that to say, you are in such
a bad way right now. You have so much work
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to do to become consistently competitive, and you also need
other teams to start to figure out ways to lose games.
You need both of those things to happen for you
to begin to have even a remotely solid chance of
making the playoffs. So again, I appreciate optimism, and I
appreciate all of the context, as far as who's coming
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back help us on the way, tomorrove On and Savonne,
we'll see what he can be, etcetera, etcetera. But the
fact is you are so far from absolutely right now
that you should not allow that optimism to blind you
to things like, well, maybe we shouldn't make a trade
because we have a guy like Perry on Winfrey coming
back who has not played a game for the Cowboys
yet in the regular season. That's my point, and that's
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my concern, is that when you start saying things like
we absolutely can be now, I'm afraid that you're letting
that do this for you.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Maybe he knows something you don't know. He absolutely does.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
He works upstairs, upstairs, upstairs that we work upstairs, but
he works upstairs. Maybe he's in content outside of Maybe
the front office will always know more than what we know,
even though we do the diggny to try to figure
out what they know. Diggler, my point being regardless of
what he knows, even if they make a blockbuster trade,
Even if they make a blockbuster trade, it doesn't change
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the fact that defeating the Cardinals only improves your playoff
chances by three percent to twenty seven percent overall.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Losing to the Cardinals.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Drops because you play them before, drops your trade deadline
drops to only fifteen percent chance.
Speaker 7 (45:29):
Now you saying this is do or die, Patrick Nils.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I'm saying this is due.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
I'm not gonna say it'sdu or die, but I'm saying
it's due. Or you might as well just order your
casket lining.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Oh I'm gonna put that on the T shirt do
or might as well.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Or order your casket lining like what is that velvet? Like?
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
So you absolutely have to win this game in every
game going forward, but even in doing so, you ever
so far from it. Mostly that's interesting. In addition to
other teams have to start falling ap hard.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
So you said the fifth you said, there's fifteen percent
chance if they lose.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
To the Cardinals, plus th percent chance of making the playoffs.
Defeat the Cardinals, you have a twenty seven percent chance
of making the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
But either one of those zero.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
So there is I hear no bell team. Absolutely, Is
this team eliminated from the playoffs? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
If you tie? That is how you use absolutely what
if you tie? I don't like time, I don't like.
Speaker 7 (46:27):
I ain't here no bell, I ain't hear no Bell.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, optimism ran supreme.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
But so you're right though, So flipping it to the
other side of the point. If you want to use
if you want to speak in definities and unequivocations. Then
you could say absolutely the Cowboys still have a chance
of making the playoffs, but you cannot, you cannot reasonably
say the Cowboys are absolutely still a playoff team right now.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
They are far from that. Make the trades plural.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
That's how you solve that whole debate segment is just
go get yourself an elite just over and get yourself
an elite defensive tackle, and then we're all just so
if we get them both.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
That about it.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
First of all, shouts out, shout out to Melvin because
even though he's being cheeky, which is what Melvin does,
what do you know about weird science? What do you
know about the classic legendary cinema? Oh my god, that
is weird science. I know what you said, Oh my god,
oh my god, because that ushured a lot of young
men to adulthood.
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First off, you're in for a wild one.
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Welcome to every day, every day, but specifically today, We're
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Speaker 7 (01:40):
And guess what you ain't goin nowhere.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You gotta know if you also know if you ever
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We enjoy it a little crazy. Seven minutes before the show,
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Speaker 7 (02:09):
We need we need a little bit of that. We
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Speaker 4 (02:15):
See every I like the way you put that hate
back of.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Welcome into Talking Cowboys. Everybody, it is a Thursday. We're
gonna have lab code in the third segment, So Patrick
goc Walker is.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Going to drop some science.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Absolutely, what are we talking about today in lab coat?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Listen?
Speaker 7 (02:39):
The Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, we are talking about the castles.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Okay, that's good. It ain't at least we're on topic.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It ain't pretty smash smash, which is we talk about.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Stephen Jones said earlier this week when he was asked
on One three Fan if the Cowboys are still a
playoff team. He still views the Cowboys of the playoff team,
and he said absolutely that absolutely has stuck in my
crawl ever since my craw not in the crawl in
my Where is that located? It's a family show, curious
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at least sometimes never heard of it. Yeah, it's well, okay,
you're not from the South. I'm not from you're not
from the South?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, yes, northwest South.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, something sticking in your craw is absolutely a Southern phrase.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh yeah, it's a thing. So we'll we'll talk about
that because absolutely.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
Use in Washington, is it like grinding your throwing in
the side buttering.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
They were just grinding my gears with that whole thing.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Is probably gonna okay, yeah, same, Okay, it irked me.
Stuck in the crawl.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Little residue.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Is patrick when you talk about Stephen Jones saying that's
the ground?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, So let's just say we'll talk about how absolutely
shouldn't have a subjective definition based on who's answering the question.
Yeah it is the cow Are the Cowboys a playoff team?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
We'll talk about that nice coming up in segment three,
We're gonna of course preview the Dallas defense going up
against the Arizona Cardinals offense.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
In the second segment, I did the Lord's work the
other day, did I did? What is that? It was
on Tuesday when I was on Good Morning Football.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
They were talking there talking, no, no, listen, I represent
our people, Okay. They were asking about Cinderella teams. They
said Cinderella teams. I said, I don't like the term Cinderella,
but they're pretty much saying like teams that you have
to be aware of that could get into the playoffs
based upon their current standings, right, And I so teams
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that are under the radar, under the raid because of.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
The start exactly. And I went to bat for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I went to bat for the Cowboys, and I said
that the Cowboys get into which play because I truly
believe it. I said, I believe the Cowboys sneak into
the playoffs and the number two spot in the NFC
East with eight eight and one.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's what I said. Did they get in with eight
eight and one? That's how they slide into the playoffs?
So what will you giants? Oh? Seven, well, eleven.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Eleven, twenty eleven, So you think there they could be
the twenty eleven Giants.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yes, That's when I walked away with jewelry.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Hmm, you can see.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's why you have the date, Bernie. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The only part of me that disagrees. We've talked about
this before. This team is not as far off as
you think, and there are there are ways to fix
it now. And that's why I think all of us
collectively have said, please do something and the next week
and a half.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I mean, you don't know, it's less than that. How
many days? Now says it's five days.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Yeah, it's next Tuesday, tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So with all that being said, they're not too far off,
but with the schedule that they have in front of them,
it is not easy.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
You know what, it was worse before the season started.
What was worse the schedule was worse the team.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
I mean that's always yeah, you mean, because that's the
parody of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, but you've already.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Lost to the Broncos and I hear the Panthers. I
hear you in both of those teams. Going into the year,
you probably would have said you had a shot against it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
But that's actually.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Proving his point though, because before the season started, that skip,
that part of the schedule looked a lot leaner than
it did now that we're currently in it, and the
Panthers and the Broncos both look a lot better than
you kind of expected going into the season. Yeah, yeah,
I'm kind of with you, and I don't think those
powerhouse teams that you're expecting at the end of the
schedule are quite the same look at the I mean
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the Vikings we were talking about as like Washington, I
don't know Washington. I don't know even the Chiefs to
some extent, Brandon, they're kind of back on track.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Chargers are better than what you thought they were going
into the year. Of course, the Eagles, the Chiefs, and
the Lions are still juggernauts in this league.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
The Raiders probably aren't.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That you anticipated that being a win, and they're not
going to go down without a fight. You think Ashton
gent is gonna have something to say about playing against
the Cowboys after growing up in Frisco.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
I mean, it has a lot to say.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
He had.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Whatever he wants to say with the whole line is, yeah,
no matter what I think, and what really.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I think, I think eight wins. I truly think eight
eight and one.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
I don't think that's out of the Roman possiblity at all.
I think that's fair.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
What that gets you in and eight eight and one
in the NFC, Yes, in the NFC, Yes, with the
commanders stumbling it, it might might very well. But what's
gonna with the the ratchet in the in the gears
is really going to be if you somehow survive Philly.
And I believe you can't survive Philly because you almost
beat Philly. But that's still going to be a mark.
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He's going to be a Philly Kansas City who looks
back on track, the Detroit Lions powerhouse. You don't know
what you get from the Vikings toss up. Maybe Vikings Chargers.
We already know Herbert is playing. He's playing like he's playing.
If you somehow survived that, those the fact that your
last two games or division division games could could very
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well fall right into this point.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I think you need six.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I'm giving five. Fine, I'm giving I mean who I
think who they take. I'm not making any No, it's
not Friday. But you got Arizona, you got the Raiders.
I think you Minnesota. I think you win that one
to Washington.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And New York.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You got a shot to win all of those games.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Absolutely, that's what I think. Eight and one. I think
you split with Washington. I do too. You've already won one,
so that means and that means you know, I don't.
So here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I said, you split with Washington because at that point,
if it even if it plays out to what you're saying,
that means that Week seventeen game might be deciding between
Washington and the Cowboys who gets the wildcard spot. So
Washington's going to play out of their mind. And oh,
by the way, you're in Washington. Granted Dak Prescott excels
in Washington, but still nonetheless, I mean commanders Washington. Washington
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is having a lot of issues right now. I agree
they've lost their rather not getting Doran's back for the year. Yeah,
so they've lost a lot of positions that are influential
the year Eler's gone. I think Scary Terry is hindered.
I don't know that he'll be himself this year because
that quad is just.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
Both of those receivers or not quad is the quad Obviously.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
They don't, So I just think that their compen defense, but.
Speaker 7 (09:07):
At least not to throw water on the conversation or anything.
But I think that goes to the point that you're
going to make in Science Lab too. It's like this,
I'm thinking of the playoff team.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Oh okay, so question being that the one should not
get in the playoffs, but it should not. It should not,
but it has it is okay, real quick with the position.
We'll have one more show, two more shows before the trade.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Three.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Actually, Tuesday's going to be basically a trade deadline preview for.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Sure, positional need and then they'll wait until our show
is over to make a move one position.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
If you were to make a move one position right now.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Defensive tackle, edge rusher, edge rush, edge edge tackle tackle.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Okay, yeah, you think that you're going defensive line either way.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
You think the edge is going to make a big difference. Yes,
nobody's given up their premier defensive edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Not yet.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And I wouldn't be willing to give up the given
one up.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
I wouldn't be willing to give the compensation where they
have to give to get an edge right now. I
wouldn't be willing to give up the composition that you have.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
To agree is fair.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
I'd be willing to give up the compensation for to.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Get a sack tier because you're gonna get a second
tier right defensive airG DRC. If you get one, you're
gonna get a second tier edge rusher. You're not gonna
get the premiere.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I think I can agree with it, and you're gonna
have to overpay it.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Don't think about premiere. You think about Crosby Hutchinson, Micah Garrett.
Those are premiere, Yeah, locked up, So people beneath that
are second tier.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
There's not disrespect, it just is what it is. There's
levels of everything.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
You would be getting a second tier edge rusher, and
you would have to give up something hefty in order
to get them in a team that's going to give
them up probably has other pass r I'm not considered
better than them.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'm not making that move if it's not unless it's
for and.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Nobody's giving up an elite pass rusher. Probably they're signing them.
That's the point, is what they're doing.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
So to that point that that's why I feel strongly
about I think.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Somebody would give up a premier detackle.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
I also feel like linebackers in their process as well.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Probably one might also give up a premier safety. Yes,
I don't think if it's a team safety safety, you
definitely need help as safety. But I think the greatest impact.
The greatest impact is a dtackle because if you have
a if you bring in a great D tackle, a great,
not a good, a great D tackle, and you put
him next to Clark and Osa, I think that you
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now are formidable against the run. And if you could
be formidable and take away something that the opposing team
can do, well, yes, now you can focus on one
aspect that you're weak. Right now, you're trying to focus
on multiple So.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
To get solidify one, to be mid.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
At a couple of spots you're mid and right. If
you could be remotely dominant or at least discouraging at
one spot and take away one aspect of a game, now,
all of a sudden, now is process of elimination.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I can negate what you're doing.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
I don't improves linebacker play as well.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Absolutely, the linebackers that you have would be the benefactors
of a solid D line. Think about all the great defenses, honestly,
think about the great defenses in history. They all had
solid D lines. Oh yeah, we can't all agree on
the D line for sure. I'm not talking about it. No,
you're talking d d ns don't help linebackers be great.
D tackles help linebackers be great. So if you can't
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turn over your linebackers, and you have talented linebackers that
just need need some assistance because they're getting blocked by
three hundred pounds, get the dominant D tackles, and all
of a sudden, your linebacker has become better because what
do they do do best?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And I like that.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
I like the point that you're making, though, is that
getting a defensive tackle would improve not only the defensive
tackle and sure the defensive line, but also the linebacker,
where as an edge rusher would only improve.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
So let me paint this this this context for you,
and I don't disagree.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I don't disagree.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Everything you're saying.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, but let me and this is Kyle's gonna love
this guy segways right to the run.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I completely disagree, I say, and that rarely happens.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Here happens.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Here's why I don't believe they will trade for defensive
tackle number one. You already did that, okay that I
don't see them doing it twice in one season. But also,
and this is not from a me standpoint, I'm telling
you what their thought is going to be understood.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Who returned to practice yesterday.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Okay, now you can have the conversation all the live
long day about oh, is that going to be enough?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I don't know that it will be.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
So I agree that it may not be enough, and
that if you were going to entertain it, you wouldn't
let Perreon Winfrey stop you from entertaining it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
That's my stance.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
However, let's flip to the to the front office, this
thought process, the fact that they have returned Perryon Winfrey
to practice five days six days yesterday, six days ahead
of the trade deadline, which means they haven't seen Pereon
Winfrey on the field yet. They're going to apply belief
there and they're going to tell themselves that Perryon Winfrey
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is the solution behind Kenny Clark and alongside O SO
and Sally. I'm telling you that's what they're going to
tell them. I understand what you're saying. I would love
to be incorrect, but I'm telling you, based on covering
this team and their moves in their thought process or
respect your expert, that's what they're looking at all right,
Not that I agree, but that's what out side of
pereyon Winfrey, so we can get back on the track
outside of now this is on track because the rundown
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was Parry, Harry and Winfrey. We can't have any expectations
of him right now. So let's move him to the
side as should Let's move him we can's.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Push him to the side. Okay, who's behind Clark? Name
the two people it's.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Switching at.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I don't, So you're going to go. I'm still I'm
going to go.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
You're a dominant detail, not not a good one, not
a contributor, a dominant I'm talking about somebody who walks
up to the line of scrimmage. You see him and
Kenny Clark next to each other, and you're like, crap,
let's go to the outside and where your linebackers go.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
We can run a hit. There's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Does anybody have any questions about our current linebackers ability
to run and hit unimpeded by offensive lineman. No, So
you automatically get better. You automatically get better. You're running defense,
Your run rush defense gets substantially better. Your your ability
for your linebackers to build their confidence they're running hit
and do what they do best.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Increases by changing one one position.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
If you get a defensive end, yes, you could can
improve in the past us until they put somebody else
over there to help block, and then what everybody else?
Every other position is still the same. Your rush defense
still didn't improve. Your linebackers are still having the same
issues they have. You can solve a lot with this defense.
This the safety position needs help because their communication has
been pepula pew. But in terms of impacting the front
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seven D tackle, get it. And there's teams that are
struggling right now that have dominant D tackles. There are
teams that are willing to say, hey, we're in the
in the crapper, you.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Want him, now here you go.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And I'm going to throw this to caut How many
teams are struggling with the dominant pass rush off the edge?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Nobody's giving That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Nobody know what I'm saying, Like, it's possible to still
struggle with an elite name and five dominant defensive ends
in this league, Doman.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You just named most of them, and Garrett Crosby, And.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Are any of those teams give up their guys? Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
So we said we all agree with Las Vegas may
be looking for it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
We all agree. We all agree of them are great.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, we all agree that they are not giving You're
not giving up a dominant defensive end.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You're not. So do you believe that for the right price.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think for the right price, what Dallas is willing
to give up, let's yes, But we don't We don't
know what Dallas is. We definitely know, we definitely know
anybody's guys gonna require if you want to get a
dominant defensive end. You're talking about you're in a conversation
of a first and a couple of twos threes like
you're you're giving up.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
But we don't know what Dallas is willing to give.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That's what I'm sacking.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I don't know what they are willing to do.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And if one of the player, if there's a of
capital to do it and it's going to secure you
an elite level at Edge Rusher, I think it will
be possible.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It is possible that that that you.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Know what, I don't disagree. Everything is possible.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
However, the probability of any of these teams giving up
their elite pastors, we.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Just went through it. Sure, Michael, you just had just had.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
He's the nature of the position. Mass rushers are premier
and they cost more. Defensive tackles are not that flashy
premiere position, so they don't cost as much.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
That's why I want That's why you which is fine.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I get it. Suring shoring up.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
What you've got on the inside of that interior defensive
line is going to help your football team. I don't
disagree there, but I'm also going to raise you the
fact that this isn't the only spot on the defense
that needs help.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You need help everywhere else you do. And you already
if you would.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Argue out of defensive tackle, ed rusher, linebacker, corner, safety,
who has played the best out of those five position
groups on the defensive side, my answer would be the
interior of the defensive line.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Even more reason to get a dominant guy. You can
be more dominant.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
But the second Kenny Clark is out, what are you do?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
He's not out, He was almost out, He was almost.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
But this guy was gonna fall At that point, they're
they're going to save.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You can say that with anything.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You could say, oh, what happens whenever, but Dak Press
got out.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
What happens when Jake fred out.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You can have that same conversation with you, but can
you Disagree's have seven defensive tackles that can play football
and allow for the rest of our defense to fall apart.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
You have one, you have one that you got three,
you have one. You have one that discourages the opposing
team from running up the middle.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
One, let me ask you. Let me ask you is
keep it one hundred question. What's the most important position
in all the football quarterback?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Quarterback?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Okay, so if you harass, terrorize, and take down the quarterback,
you probably but you can probably see that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Though you can scheme.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
I don't know you can sack a quarterback five times
in a single game and not win this year.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's a handful of guys there.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Again, we just went down the list of a handful
of guys that can single handedly disrupt your game. Like
like what I'm saying, Like you can circle them and say,
these guys are different, these guys are different, Miles Garrett,
Max Crosby, Hutchinson, Micah. Outside of that, there's a handful
of other guys that you're like, Okay, these guys, they
can affect the game, but you're not fearful of anybody
else outside of those guys, maybe a hunter down there
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and with the Houston Texas. Other than that, there's some
really good path streussers. But they're not those guys, right,
you know what I'm saying. Those guys are premiere, like
cream of the crop. Like, hey, those guys, whatever the
heck they want, because they're that dominant. Outside of that,
there's not you can literally discourage teams from running the
ball straight straight, That's where you're issuing, and then.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
They're going to drop back and past.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, then they're gonna throw it all under in terms
of they'ren.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You have to make one move.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
This is my question.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
If you had to make one move, that one move
at DETAC will improves multiple position groups.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I would argue a pass rusher does the same.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Not even a little bit. It gives a little bit teams.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Teams have all day to throw the football.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
And then what if ax is in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
What if we talked about with these mobile quarterbacks, when
they get outside the pocket, how does that affect your
secondary contain? How do they get outside the pocket. I'm
not arguing you're not fixed. I'm not arguing that you're
that you don't have other issues. We understand that.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
That's what I'm saying is if you had to make
one move, what move is going to be the most
impactful for your entire defense. But here's here's where Kyle
and I correct me from. Here's where Kyle and I
stand in relation to your Yeah, you went and got
a pass rusher, right as it stands, safety, safety, cornerback, linebacker,
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defensive end, defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Of those groups.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
The team, the group that has had the strongest showing
for the most part of the season is defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You're saying, throw more at that.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And ignore the glaring issue at one of the weakest
points of your attack, which is defensive end, which also
rather you agree or not, it's true as it also
helps impact what happens on the back end because if
you're pressuring these quarterbacks and you're knocking them off the
spot and you're keeping contained.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
That helps keep them in the pocket.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Guess what now, Your defensive tackles, when they penetrate, they
can get to them. Windows get shortened on the back end,
But when they break, when they break contain, linebackers get stressed,
cornerbacks get stressed. Secondary safeties can stressed and then chunk
plays explosive downfields.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So I'm right there with out right here.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
So let me give you a different perspective from from
a quarterbacks perspective. I can promise you I was less
concerned about dns than I was about detackles because you
can move completely more. All of them can move absolutely.
But guess what I'm telling you. If you have two
dominant defensive linement, how many offensive linemen are required to
block them?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Probably two, three to four, three, three to four.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So now now your defensive ends now have what you
single up right one on one matchups. Correct.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I don't disagree.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
That's how football. We're not disagreeing, Isaiah, but you're disagreement.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yes, you're saying not even an impactful on an upgrade upgrade.
Le's talk about your egos. Okay, where do you not
want to go up the middle? However, do they have
a dominant pass rusher right now? But do they have
pass rushes who can impact the game? Do the Cowboys
have pass rushers who can impact the game? And I'm
not talking about easy Eagles. He's progressing, But for the
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most part, at least the Eagles have who edge rushers
that are serviceable at least.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
I think getting you a defensive tackle and shuring up
that spot makes those pass rushers.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Better better, and you could argue, you can.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Argue on both sides.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
You can argue on most sass rusher can impact positively
the defensive tax.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
But you're not going to get an elite one.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Here's here's just not an upgrade you need anything.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
There.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Your your best defensive tackle right now, tell you it's.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Less impactful than a de tackle. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Your best defensive tackles right now are Kenny Clark and Osaz.
That's a good one to two punch on the inside
of your defensive line. Good When you look outside, you've
got a growing Donovan Azeraki and you have James Houston
who have made the most impact at your edge rusher spot.
Nothing against those two guys, but you can upgrade at
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that position. When you go get a dominant defensive tackle.
All that's doing is taking one or two of Osa
or Kenny off the field, and then it's just I
get it. Are you gonna play three defensive tackles? Do
you consider Osa to be a true one technique? No,
he's a three takes three alays. Can he play five?
Probably not? Absolutely, he can't.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
He hasn't done a whole lot of that. Here's my thing.
I don't disagree with you that they can be better
at stopping the run. And I don't disagree with you
that having another dominant defensive tackle can help your linebackers.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
All of that is factual, all of that can be happening.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But I think when you have your main problem right
now as quarterbacks having time to throw picking apart your
secondary and a secondary that is stretched so thin at
safety and at cornerback, that anything you can do to
take time off their plate you're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Stopping the run has always been secondary in this defense,
and still they do that better than they do with
stopping the pass, right, And that's why I want to pass.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
That's what we are in real quick.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I don't disagree with anything you're saying.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
You want to be mid everywhere. No, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I want to be serviceable on defense, which is the
whole point there.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It does no ball, You're right, we agree, Isaia knows ball.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Not disagreeing with what I say.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
But for the gentleman in the chat that's saying what
Kyle and noci are missing is that the losses are
predicated to pun the Cowboys run defense. Okay, we're not
missing that. What we're saying is the Cowboys made a
trade for a three time pro bowler.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yes, okay, so, and.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
They paid eighty million dollars to their three.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Technique exactly so in their mind, and before week five,
I'll say the run defense showed it could do some things.
Before week five and going through now you have how
many instances of the past rush impacting the game positively?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Maybe one one New York. That's all you got.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
So we're not we're not missing the point of the
run defense needs to be what it is. We're saying,
you are so deficient an impact on the edges versus
your ability to impact the middle of the defense, that
you have to.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Attack the weakest point when you're adding talent. That's all
we're saying.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
We're not saying the world beaters that were stopping the run,
we're saying they can't change the game. All we have
different approaches. If I was a general manager, I want
to be dominant somewhere. I don't want to I don't
want to be I want to be in in a
couple of places. I want to be dominant somewhere where
are you dominant? I want to be dominant in the middle.
Take away something that they do. I don't want them
to have the ability to feel comfortable and confident doing
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everything because I have one guy who may or may
not get to the quarter.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
But you're at a seventies disagreeing that.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Our point being kyling out, our point being you can
be dominant in the middle.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Wonderful. That's wonderful. Would love that, Love that.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
But the quarterback having time to throw, being able to
break contain to stress your linebackers and your secondary that's oh,
by the way, suffering so many injuries. They don't know
what to do with themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Why would you cool?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
You can stop the run and then Russell Wilson is
going to come in and throw for five hundred.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Y'all.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
What Josh and I are saying is your guys that
you have that you don't feel comfortable and competent with
right now become serviceable when you are able to dominate
in one area. We're saying, if you have to make
one change, that make the biggest ripple effect.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
De tackle does that.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
It makes your defensive ends have one on one matchups
allows or your linebackers are running hit everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
That whole front seven gets better.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
As a whole, as I just said, and we do
have to go to break. As I just said, I
think you've already gotten solid defensive tackle play and it
hasn't mattered outside.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
That's that's the point from me, solid dominant correct?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Solid? Are you even remote? Solid on the even remotely? Not?
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Speaker 7 (29:20):
That was the biggest sway of a segment ever. I mean,
that was a very long first segment, but the way
we got into it starting the show, it was so
good by the time we ended the segment. That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Sorry I came with the curve ball, but I like
it though.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
We're football guys, yeah, right, like football part of the
podcasting space and part of this game and why we
love it so much, or the debates that come out
of it, of course. I mean, and as long as
you're able to be civil in a debate and debate
with your brothers civilized, it's it's legitimately one of the
most fun things, so good that you could possibly do.
That's why people love fantasy.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Football, because you get to fight with everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I got enough fight my best man at my wedding
yesterday because he meddled in a trade I was trying
to make on my foot.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Dynasty League got mad at you.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Sounds super villain. I'm telling you I was legitimate.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yes, he's trying to be Adam schefter for our league
and also try and be a GM in our league.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
And it's a conflict of interest where he knows what a.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Conflict of interest in the use of fantasy football is insane.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
But this is the point we getting it to all
the legalities.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Kyle has filed an injunction on his best friend.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I was trying to get his draft picks taken away.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Actually, I've got a text message I said I would
like to file.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
A former formal complaint. I was like, and I would
have gotten away with it too.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
And your friends say, I'll take that up with the GM.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Where you take.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
He says nah?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
He says nah, they all down vote Shut up, Kyle.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
All right, let's get into the defensive preview here for
the Cowboys. Defense taking on the Arizona Cardinals offense. We
talked a lot about the Cardinals defense and how they
are going to combat Dak Prescott and company in yesterday's show,
so if you haven't already, go check it out. But
of course, Arizona doesn't really know what's going on on
the offensive side of things except for one guy, and
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his name is Trey McBride.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
He's had an incredible year.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
He is taking steps forward from the tight end position,
one of the leading threats at the tight end position
through the NFL. With what quarterback though, But that's the point.
Kyler Murray has been out the last couple of weeks.
Jacoby Brissette has been playing pretty good football as the
backup there. Kyler is questionable going into this matchup. I
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think Arizona believes he's playing.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
He's playing.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
It looks like he is going to play SAT and
T Stadium's exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
He is nine and oh all time at AT and
T Stadium.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Which includes high school, YEP, college.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Five and oh in high school.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
I don't like those words.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
At Allen High School five and oh.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
He won three state championships at Allen High School, then
he went one to OH at Texas A and M
one and oh at Oklahoma, and then he's two and
oh with the Arizona Cardinals to make his nine and
oh record.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
At least he has never embarrassed us on Monday night football, right.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Oh yeah, that that that already happened.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Oh, so you're saying that Kyler Murray is undefeated in
the building, he's playing back at home, his job is
at risk of being lost, and he's playing on the
only night, the only game on Monday night football where
the whole world is.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Watching and call of duty's not out yet.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
So and against uh, one of the worst defenses.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
In the NFL. Yeah, I think he's one of you
think he's.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
Inting there being nice? Why the worst?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Just stay with your chest.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
It's not Friday yet, buddy.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
The facts of the facts, they are the worst.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Where y Bright likes better at quarterback?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
That's good questions, probably Jacoby, honestly, Yeah, that's definitely Jacoby.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
You think so?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I know so based upon the stats, twenty one games
with Kyler Murray three touchdowns? Was it three games with
Jacoby Brissett three touchdowns?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Oh? Very ansterwout That is the math more math thing.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Two games I fault twenty one games with Murray three
nine yard average, three touchdowns, sixty seven yards per game.
Brissette two games, twelve yards or mean twelve twelve catches
a game, nine.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Twelve targets a game.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I fault nine receptions, seventy three receiving.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yards, three touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
So what you're saying is more yards, more attempts, more catches,
more catches, same amount of touchdowns in two games versus
twenty one games. So the way twenty one trade McBride
is to play Kyla Murror.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
He's a right, that was that was on the rundown,
that was going to stop trading.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Packetty, that'll do it in our finale episode if you
could do it's a favorite coach can and that would
be great.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah no, But on a serious note, who would.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Dallas want to see a quarterback Jacoby Brissett more of
a pocket passer, solidified player.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I'm serious, I'm serious. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Or here's why it doesn't matter, because you don't want
to see Kyler Murray's little video game self running all
over the field, extending plays, moving the chains, et cetera.
Because you can't keep containing. But at the same maybe
trade for an interest. But if if it's Jacoby Brissett
more of a pocket guy, well the problem with that
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is you have a secondary that's struggling to cover primarily
because they're being asked to do something that they're not
comfortable doing, which is zone coverage. And we talked about
this earlier this week, Isaiah, you bought the feature for
from Josh that the Cowboys would break the fifty percent
mark on Man.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
They moved in the wrong direction. So now you just
you just don't know what you're going to get.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So you have to assume that it's going to be
another zone heavy situation. And so Jacoby Brissett, he's a veteran,
a lot of skins on the wall.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
He knows how to read zone coverage.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
The Cowboys rather see Uncle Rico play quarterback.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
No, I don't know Uncle Rico mountains. Yeah that's true.
What if the Cowboys need give up plays? All right?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So he don't Marico would give the day or Napoleon
when he threw the pork chop.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I mean, you know, I think it's I.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Think diagnosing this defense for Jacobe percent would be a
lot easier than Kyle Kyler Murray the offense doesn't look
as crisp with Kyler Murray in the backfield. But granted,
it's that dual threat that's going to give you problems
either way. I don't think you like either matchup for
the Dallas defense because, again, like we've talked about many
times this whole week, basically, the Dallas Cowboys are the
worst defense in the NFL. You don't want to see
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either of them. So give me Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, give me Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Take Kyler yeah, because their their past concepts are completely different.
When Kyler Murray's any game, doue too. Yeah, it's just
basic stuff. I mean, they do bootleg freaking all the time.
They bootleg boot leg.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Because they want him out of the pocket. Wan him
out of the pocket, yeat. So getting him out of
the pocket.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Now, obviously he's a threat to run, so you have
to have But that's one of the things that Cowboys
linebackers actually do well. They run right, They run, They
can run, they can hit, So you can have guys
that can match him. I don't want to say match him,
but at least keep up with him athletically. And the
concepts are pretty predictable. They're relatively predictable. Once he gets
out of the pocket and you start talking about boot leg,
there's only so many different routes that you can run.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
As long as we have good communication.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
And then they, yeah, you can pass it off, but
do you No, Yeah, it's tough for it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I figured out just lebron.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Therefore, is it tough for a defense to have both
quarterbacks on their mind going into a matchup when they
haven't had the best success whenever it comes to preparation
in the early parts of the week. You get an
extra day going into Monday night football. But they're having
the plan for both Jacoby Brissette and for Kyle.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
They feel the same way we feel.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I think they have a good inkling that that Kyder
Murray's most likely probably And again, if you have if
Jacoby Brissette was going to sit back in a bubble
and you guys are obviously not happy with the pass rush,
then I would much rather have a Kyler Murray that
likes to get out the pocket, where he's out the
bubble and now I have opportunity to go get him.
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I just I just don't feel like that's a good bubble.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Pup bubble Buddy SpongeBob reference.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
I just I feel like you have to prepare for both,
and I feel like as a veteran defensive coordinator in
the NFL, you should be well versed in doing so,
because on any given week you're going to run up
against the situation where you know it might be an
injury and you just don't know which quarterback is going
to start. So this this won't be your first time
having to prep for two quarterbacks. And then, like you said, Kyle,
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great point, you have an added day to do that,
so there is no excuse to be unprepared regardless of
which quarterback is back there. Now, being prepared is one
thing check hopefully, So what that preparation looks like, as
far as what scheme you're going to call, what does
that preparation look like? As far as translating to execution
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or lack the rug, communication or lack the rug, That's
where for me, I've seen so many instances of things
falling apart in those latter two categories for the Cowboys defense,
that be it Jacoby Brissett, Orkler Murray. You're equally in
trouble because of injuries, because of schematic issues, because of
(38:11):
communication issues, because of execution issues and because of effort issues. So,
like you said, be Uncle Rico back there. You're in
trouble until you're not in trouble with this defense. You're
in trouble until you show me otherwise.
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Speaker 4 (41:45):
So Stephen Jones, Oh my friend, so one of five
three the fan, as Stephen Jones earlier this week, if
he still believes this Cowboys team at three four and
one with the worst defense in the league could still
be a playoff team with the worst the worst. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I don't have a problem with optimism.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I have a problem with speaking in definites when definites
are not, you know, in play Okay, so Stephen Jones,
you know, he said absolutely again, I don't have a
problem with the optimism. I don't have a problem with
the context. He's using the painted but absolutely just doesn't
work for me. Definition of absolutely, folks, And I'm pulling
(42:27):
this right from the gullet of Webster themselves. Absolute with
no qualification, restriction or limitation totally. Okay, So with no equivocation, totally,
This Dallas Cowboys team can be a playoff team this season.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Here's my problem with that.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
At three four and one, let's just look at the numbers,
you have only a fourteen four, twenty four percent chance
I'm making the playoffs. Twenty four percent chance of making
the playoffs at.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
Three forourm one doesn't seem very good.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Doesn't seem very good. Not good.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
There's a greater than three fourths chance that you will
miss the playoffs. As we have this conversation at the
time of that question being answered, should the Cowboys lose
to the Cardinals on Monday night, they will drop to
three five and one, and their odds will fall off
a cliff and it will go from twenty four percent
to only fifteen percent chance.
Speaker 7 (43:20):
Roberts, that is not good.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Now, Now your next question is might be well, no, see,
if they defeat the Cardinals, that's got to be good.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Of course, it's good.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Wins are always good getting back to five hundred, giving
yourself a chance and a division that outside of the
Eagles is still trying to figure yourself out.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
That's that's great, that's good.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
It's also true, though, that it will only improve your
chances of making the playoffs by three percent. So you'd
go from twenty four percent chance of not making the
playoffs to twenty seven percent chance of not making the
playoffs should you beat the Cardinals. So will there be
ground gained, Yes, if you beat the Cardinals. But I
say all of that to say, you are in such
a bad way right now. You have so much work
(44:01):
to do to become consistently competitive, and you also need
other teams to start to figure out ways to lose games.
You need both of those things to happen for you
to begin to have even a remotely solid chance of
making the playoffs. So again, I appreciate optimism, and I
appreciate all of the context, as far as who's coming
(44:23):
back help us on the way, tomorrove On and Savonne,
we'll see what he can be, etcetera, etcetera. But the
fact is you are so far from absolutely right now
that you should not allow that optimism to blind you
to things like, well, maybe we shouldn't make a trade
because we have a guy like Perry on Winfrey coming
back who has not played a game for the Cowboys
yet in the regular season. That's my point, and that's
(44:43):
my concern, is that when you start saying things like
we absolutely can be now, I'm afraid that you're letting
that do this for you.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Maybe he knows something you don't know. He absolutely does.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
He works upstairs, upstairs, upstairs that we work upstairs, but
he works upstairs. Maybe he's in content outside of Maybe
the front office will always know more than what we know,
even though we do the diggny to try to figure
out what they know. Diggler, my point being regardless of
what he knows, even if they make a blockbuster trade,
Even if they make a blockbuster trade, it doesn't change
(45:14):
the fact that defeating the Cardinals only improves your playoff
chances by three percent to twenty seven percent overall.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Losing to the Cardinals.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Drops because you play them before, drops your trade deadline
drops to only fifteen percent chance.
Speaker 7 (45:29):
Now you saying this is do or die, Patrick Nils.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I'm saying this is due.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
I'm not gonna say it'sdu or die, but I'm saying
it's due. Or you might as well just order your
casket lining.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Oh I'm gonna put that on the T shirt do
or might as well.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Or order your casket lining like what is that velvet? Like?
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
So you absolutely have to win this game in every
game going forward, but even in doing so, you ever
so far from it. Mostly that's interesting. In addition to
other teams have to start falling ap hard.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
So you said the fifth you said, there's fifteen percent
chance if they lose.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
To the Cardinals, plus th percent chance of making the playoffs.
Defeat the Cardinals, you have a twenty seven percent chance
of making the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
But either one of those zero.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
So there is I hear no bell team. Absolutely, Is
this team eliminated from the playoffs? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
If you tie? That is how you use absolutely what
if you tie? I don't like time, I don't like.
Speaker 7 (46:27):
I ain't here no bell, I ain't hear no Bell.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, optimism ran supreme.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
But so you're right though, So flipping it to the
other side of the point. If you want to use
if you want to speak in definities and unequivocations. Then
you could say absolutely the Cowboys still have a chance
of making the playoffs, but you cannot, you cannot reasonably
say the Cowboys are absolutely still a playoff team right now.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
They are far from that. Make the trades plural.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
That's how you solve that whole debate segment is just
go get yourself an elite just over and get yourself
an elite defensive tackle, and then we're all just so
if we get them both.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
That about it.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
First of all, shouts out, shout out to Melvin because
even though he's being cheeky, which is what Melvin does,
what do you know about weird science? What do you
know about the classic legendary cinema? Oh my god, that
is weird science. I know what you said, Oh my god,
oh my god, because that ushured a lot of young
men to adulthood.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Back to you, cow Yeah, thanks guys, that's gonna do
it for us, your talking Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Thanks for Jordan Against Thursday.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Public Access tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
It is say it with you Chest Friday, as we've
already done throughout the week.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
But hope you'll join us nine a m.
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Central time for Patrick Nosey Walker Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah stand
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