August 4, 2025 • 49 mins
Isaiah Stanback, Patrik Walker, Kyle Youmans & Josh Rodriguez discuss the latest Dallas Cowboys news including Micah Parsons’ trade request, the front office’s response, and grade the rookie class so far at Cowboys training camp.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
The following.
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the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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Cowboys.
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This he's Talking Cowboys Training live from Dallas Cowboys Training
Camp in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Six past second Poti Today.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
Touchdown and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh
Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
It's a Monday morning edition of Talking Cowboys presented by
Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from Oxnard, California and the
River Ridge Sports Complex site of training camp twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (00:50):
We've got the whole casting crew ready for you to
rock today with Isaiah Standback, Patrick Nocy Walker, Josh Rodriguez,
my man Chris Beam in the back.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
We've got the the sound playing already. The music is here.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
The Cowboys are back on the practice field for what
is officially, gentlemen, a game week.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It is a game week in Oxnard.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
The Cowboys not only with the joint practice on Tuesday
against the Rams, but on Saturday they take on the
Rams at Sofi Stadium. Glad you're with us, and gentlemen,
it feels a little different around here.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Maybe it's just the.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Song and the atmosphere set that's in the background, but
for the most part, it's going to be Uh, it's
a different feel this week for this Cowboys team.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Why does it feel different than you, Kyle? We never
get to ask you questions?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, then ask me.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Let's know what. Why is it a different feel around here?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Because we get to see.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Our team hit somebody else, We get to see someone
else get laid out by Malie Hooker, we.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Get to see you. I'm tense, I'm ready to go.
It's an intense week.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
A safe place. You know that, right, It is a
safe place.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's always a safe place.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Its big brock lesnar energy.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Right. Oh, okay that he was a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
No, this is.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Right, hot friend energy.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It came back.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Summer changing jo. How was Summer Slam? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It was a good Uh. It ended spectacularly before this Country.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
No, I mean it was some hesitation, it was.
Speaker 8 (02:21):
It started off both nights started off great, dipped, had
some filler that was quite mid, and then popped off with.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I always checks in about our wrestling like a.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Strange did you guys have far?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Are you winning?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Son?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Extremely contrub But to get back to your question, sorry,
I'm looking forward to seeing the Rams. I love when
the Rams and the Cowboys practice have their joint practice
because it is very competitive, very competitive. They have some
dudes on their team as a very well coached team,
we know they are talented.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
They have some new additions that are going to test out.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Not only are are obviously our offensive line got tested
last year here with their defensive young and young and verse,
but now our cornerbacks, which we know that room is
a little bit depth challenged at this point with all
the injuries that they have going on here in Dallas,
They're gonna get challenged by Pooka, Nakua Davonte Adams, and
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that's gonna be a sight to see. I'm looking forward
to seeing those one on one opportunities, not only in
the team sessions, but those one on ones because you
really get to see guys get exposed.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
On both sides.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
So I'm looking forward to all the competition revolving around
joint practice.
Speaker 8 (03:32):
But it's like Isaiah said that there's a lot of
new additions for the Cowboys, and the question is can
they stand the ring. When you're talking about Jared Vers
and you're talking about the addition of Dante Davante Adams,
along with Will and Nicola and I mean the we
talked about the cornerbacks position with the Cowboys. We said
this coming into camp, and the situation hasn't improved her
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kyer Elam. Notwithstanding, you're starting to see a little bit
of shine from some of these younger guys like a
Keimon Hall. Andrew Booth had a good practice a couple
practices ago, but he's nursing all that working back from
an injury. As far as getting back a hundred percent
s gonerbacks group is going to get tested real early.
And here we are, and we talk about these young guys,
they're going to see preseason reps. Now, granted, in the preseason,
they're not going to be going against Devonte Adams, they're
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not going to be going against pookin the cool but
they're going to be going against a talented wide receiver
corp who's coached up by I guess who, Sean McVay,
who can scheme some things open offensive line.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
We talked about Jerry Verse.
Speaker 8 (04:26):
It doesn't get any better from there, right, So we'll
see what they do as early as tomorrow Tuesday, when
they go up against them in the scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
That's when the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
Will officially get to hit someone other than their own
teammates for the first time.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So I'm interested to see that too, love to see that.
Speaker 9 (04:40):
And the Rams are a team that's constantly sort of
in the mix. I mean, they're coming off of a
divisional loss, but they did not start off the season
very well. They didn't look great throughout the season. But
a big thing at least that I remember from last
year is when they came into our facility and they
practice against us, we they kind of.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Beat us up a little bit. It didn't look great.
Speaker 9 (05:00):
We looked a little sloppy, and they were kind of
big dog in us. And this is something that Nate
Newton pointed out to me and felt like, you know,
that was the writing on the wall of like this
team is not ready.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
To be a dog.
Speaker 9 (05:11):
Now you have a chance to defend your honor here
in Oxnard. This is our town, right So I think
at least when you have that, you can compare it
to last year. You can say, if we're showing out
in practice this time, it's going to be a lot
different than it is for the season.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Hopefully it's indicative of that.
Speaker 9 (05:31):
But like you said, pointing out Keemon Hall to a
guy that you really want to see play well in
the preseason and just in practice in general. Hopefully it
doesn't take too many preseason snaps, but just in general.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Yeah, And I want to kind of preface this conversation
for the people that are listening at home. The reason
why we put so much emphasis on these joint practices
is because this is really the first and only opportunity
that you get throughout all of training camp to see
where your team that's going to be on the field
their regular season, where they stand.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
This is the only time that you'll see Ceedee Lamb,
George Pickens and everybody else as a starter going full tilt,
not to the ground, not full tackling, but full tilt
against the competition that they will face when the regular
season approaches. Other than this practice, this one practice, they
will not see that level of competition outside of their
team again until games matter.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, that's the big thing.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So we've got a month between Tuesday, a month exactly
from today until Game one against.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But tomorrow it'll be thirty days out until then, and
so you've got a long time to see it. But
you'll get to see a really good snipe of it.
Of it and to y'all's point, I mean, you look
at the roster from the Rams and they probably say
the same thing vice versa to a certain extent, but
they're playmakers at every level, and so it's gonna challenge you.
I'm excited to see what the run defense looks like,
the interior of our defensive line, the Mazi Smiths, the
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Solomon thomas Is, the j joy Is who's had a.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Good camp so far.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
All of those guys go up against the stable of
running backs that I would love to have on our rosters.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I would love to have.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
A Kyrin Williams or a Blake Cora Moor, a Jarquez
Hunter who is a rookie draft pick out of Auburn
this year in the fourth round.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I would love all of those things to come to fruition.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But now we get to see how we stop them
and how you can stand up against them. So, along
with the receivers that you guys mentioned, with Nikoua and
Adams and Jordan Whittington who tore up Dallas in the
preseason last year, I'm excited to see what the depth
of our defense looks like. Because there have been some
good things that we've seen, there have been some some
not so good things that we've seen on the field,
and we're going to get all of that tested going
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into Tuesday. One of the not so good things that
we've seen throughout camp has been the Micah Parsons saga.
Micah Parsons edge rusher All Pro. He wears number eleven
when he wants to put on the jersey.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yep. He's out here, yep.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Pretty good at football arguably.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And since we were last on this show, of course,
we were last on the show, breaking news, of course,
to hit right around. He has requested a trade for
Ellis Cowboys releasing a statement on X I'm sure if
you're a Cowboys fan and you're listening to Talking Cowboys
about now, you've probably seen the post.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You've probably heard one hundred different opinions on it.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But guess what, we haven't talked about it on our show,
So I want to get your opinion on it.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
The We'll start just by the request.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We'll get into the back and forth here in a
moment and maybe the impact of it all, but just
your thought on the request initially, and remember this is
a show where we do what keep you one, we
say that is what we do.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So Isaiah, I'll let you start.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Try to say that for Friday's Kyle, but being that
as a Monday, I'll give him a sample of that.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Okay, I think that I take that back. Let me
start over.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I believe I believe Jerry Madelon was on my shoulder.
I believe I believe that this was if this is
more to comeback, Michaeh. Parsons has been using all of
his moves right hidden, mashing all the buttons, and then
finally he sees the code and the and the sequence
in which he has to enter in his final finish
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him move, and this was his finisher move. Yeah, for
the Dallas exactly for the Dallas Cowboys. And the reason
why I say that is because, as a player who
is contractually bound to an organization and a team in
his current state, there's only so.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Much you can do.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
And you've communicated through the media, you've communicated directly with
the individuals that are a part of the negotiations. You
feel like you're trying to treading water, like you're running
on a hamster wheel and nothing's really getting done. There's
no progress. You want a deal done. They're very patient.
They don't have a sense of urgency, but you do.
You have to pull your card. And if you're playing Uno,
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this is your wild card. This is this is the
one that you've been holding on to until you absolutely
needed it, because bam, here we go. Oh this is
all I have left, And the wild card is I'm
going to put the Dallas Cowboys in a position in
these negotiations where I can remove myself and I now
can allow the fans and the media to negotiate on
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my behalf. There is nothing else that needs to be
said for Micah Parsons. The organization feels the way they
feel they have all the leverage they have him in
a current contract. They don't feel the need to have
a sense of urgency in this regard. And you're already
heard Jerry say I don't mind him not being out
there right now because I don't want him to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So the Joneses in the organization are perfectly fine. But
in terms of Micah, this.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Is smart from my stance as a former player, from
his behalf, because now he literally has to say nothing else.
But we will talk about it every other platform will
talk about it. The fans will be yelling his name
whenever Jerry walks out the practice Jerry Jones and he
cans just sit back, sign sign you know, fake checks
on the sideline, kiss babies, and just let everybody else
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do his bidding for him.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
So Isaiah makes a bunch of great points. I'll segue
off of one of his points. This is Michael Parson's
playing the proverbial wild card. Okay, problem is the Cowboys
have to draw for Yeah, okay, you have upwards of
three years of control between this fifth year option and
you can franchise tag him twice before you know. Now,
I don't believe it gets to that point. Let me
(11:22):
be clear. I've said this before. I'm gonna say it again.
I felt this way pre trade request. I feel this
way right now. I believe this deal gets done. Yeah,
I do believe the deal gets done. Everything you're seeing
right now is the game within the game. And that's
one thing that Jerry Jones said that was one hundred
percent true. He said, this is the negotiation and no
matter how you slice it, this is not the first
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time we've seen this dance with a high profile player
who was arguably the best or one of the best
players at his position when it comes to negotiating with
the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I can drop the names.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
You already know the names, the Dak Prescott, that de
Marcus Lawrences, the City Lambs, to Zach Martins.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
It goes on, It goes on.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
It goes on almost every years, but every year. That's
why the trade request, while meteoric in its impact, didn't
move my needle whatsoever. It immediately made me think of
Myles Garrett. Hopefully this ends the same way. However, you
saw what Myles Garrett did in formally demanding a trade
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from the Cleveland Browns, and just over thirty days later
he signed to this massive, record setting deal. Miles and
Michael Parsons are really good friends. Now, I'm gonna use
that point to make my next point. One of the
reasons this has gotten to a trade request and it's
gotten so contentious is it's not just the shots that
are being fired at Michael Parsons as he views it
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and as his agent views it. It's also the shots
that are being fired at Trayvon Diggs. Yeah, who's Michael
Parsons's best friend in this locker room?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
A little over a week ago, they stood on this
field and did a combo pack interview for Solidarity.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So I'm here to tell you.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Parsons is taking all of this into context, and he
simply feels a way about the organization at the moment,
not simply because of his contract issue, but also because
of the contingent between Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And the front office over the rehab stuff.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
All of that is to say, now that I've given
you all that context and something to think about, I
am unmoved by this trade request.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I wish it didn't get to this point.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
I believe the Dallas Cowboys would be it would be
nothing short of professional malepractice to trade away Michael Parsons
at least for anything short of and I kind of
joked about this before on inside training camp. If you're
not giving up two or three planets in this solar system,
it's not We're not even starting the converse.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
But you do understand how Dallas fans, not necessarily Dallas
Cowboys fans, but Dallas sports fans have a little bit
of PTSD.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Because I get.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
A fresh woe unfortunately because of how the you know, Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
We love us. He just signed a deal I don't
want to hear.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
So is it impossible.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
No, it's not impossible, because nothing's impossible, But the odds
of it occurring are so meniscw that in my mind
it's not worth entertaining.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Josh, are you losing sleep?
Speaker 9 (14:16):
I'm not losing sleep over this, And that was my point.
I was about to make thank you Isaiah for the
perfect segue, because Jerry talked about it after practice and
he said, don't lose sleep over this. This is I've
been here a while, I kind of done this a
time or two. This is how the game is played.
This is how Micah's Parsons is choosing to gain leverage.
But matter of fact, and as you to have gracefully
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pointed out, the Cowboys hold all the leverage they have
controlled this contract over the next three seasons between the
fifth year option and then of course the two franchise tags.
And not to mention, the Cowboys have used the franchise
tag as recently as Dak Prescotte. Don't think for a
second that they won't also use it on a Micah Parsons.
It would be unfortunate, but they will do it if
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they need to. Michael Parsons will not be traded, in
my opinion, to any other team. He will play for
the Dallas Cowboys. If it comes to him wanting to
set out games or what have you, that would be
obviously a financial risk. But if he feels that way,
I mean more power to him. That's based on what
the player wants to do and between him and his agent. Now,
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if you consider the fact that here we stand, you know,
just a few days after the trade request, within thirty days,
it happened for Miles Garrett. Again, it's just a move,
a part of the move, a part of the move.
This is how the game is played. I'm not phased
by it at anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I've had conversations with Micah too when hosting certain events
and different things where it's about his money, and even
before the contract talks were even a thing. This is
going back multiple years now, but one of the things
he talked about was being smart.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
With your money.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And one of the things he's doing right now to
show that he cares about being smart with his money
is showing up to training camp, showing up and not
taking that fifty thousand dollars fine and standing on the
side at least being their first teammates and being around
the camp and the facility and the staff and all
of those different elements. So I find it hard to
believe he will sit out games. Yeah, that's but that's
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the next leverage move, that's the next wild card that
people aren't necessarily seeing as a possibility. That would be
where I think the front office could lose a little
bit of leverages if he were to sit out certain games,
because they want him on the field, they want him
as a.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Part of this.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
But in order to give up that leverage, or to
gain that leverage, if you're Michael Parsons, you're gonna have
to give up some cash, and he's going to be
less smart about his money.
Speaker 8 (16:35):
And I do agree with Kyle in the capacity of
if Michael Parsons were so inclined if for whatever reason,
the deal is not done by September fourth, and Michael Parsons,
we're so inclined to miss the first couple of games.
Those couple of games are against the divisional revels, right, yep.
Where it's not just one loss equals mathematically one loss. Yeah,
it's more like one and a half pretty much Okay.
On top of that, let's just be completely clear. Let's
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be honest. We're saying with our chests, right, let's say
with our chess. Jerry Jones said this time and again,
and he knows what I'm about to say is true.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
He's mortal, okay, and he's not a spring chicken.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
So if you were to entertain trading Michael Parsons, yeah,
you get all these draft picks that you hope hopefully
panned out in the next two, three, four, five years.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
However, again, you're not a.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
Twenty year old, a thirty year old to forty year old,
not even a fifty year's trying to win now. If
you're trying to win right now, you just put the
keys to the throne in the hands of Brian Schottenheimer,
who was the first time NFL head coach, and he's
saying all the right things, and through this point in training,
cap Brian Schotenheimer's also doing.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
All the right things.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Do you want to take a blade and cut at
one of his proverbial achilles going into his inaugural season
right as far as taking one of the if not
arguably the best pass rusher off of the field, maybe
for one game, two games, multiple games. So yes, to
your point, Kyle, if Michael Parsons pushes that envelope, yeah,
Jerry could call us bluff. He has three years of
rights to call his bluff for And so yeah, Michael
(17:58):
Parson is not going to sit out one entire season,
two entire seasons. This will get resolved. But if Michael
Parson sits out one or two games and they happen
to be against the Eagles and the Giants and you
lose those two games, yes.
Speaker 9 (18:11):
Let me ask a question real quick, and you just
alluded to it. The fact that this is happening in
coach Schottenheimer's inaugural season with the Dallas cow as head coach,
does this affect the new culture that he's been trying
to build, Like, you know, I think we're all sort
of kumbaya coming into this training camp and you've seen
it out here. Discipline, yelling at players whenever they're getting fights,
all of that. Does this affect this sort of outside
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noise effect what's happening within that locker room?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
No? No, no.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
As a former player, now you understand business is business,
but the coach is preaching is something completely different.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
This has no impact on the guy's.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Continuity or you know, culture or any of those none
of that stuff. Let me let me put this out there,
and a lot of people might disagree with me, but
it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Fine. This is a game of chess. But don't know
to chest.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Say it with your face some people.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Some people plays.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
And for those that don't know how to play chess, learn,
I don't play it out. Learn you play checkers right,
and you can get kings, and you get double double
when you go across, you trouble jump and do all
the things.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Last year, around this time, there was a gentleman by
the name of who that was sitting out Zach Martin.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Okay in a couple of years back. Yeah, okay, a
couple years bout last.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Together.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
This is how many people, how many comedies Zach Martin
sat out?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
If I remember correctly past the joint practice, Yes, yes,
at the joint practice, the office.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Line got worked, destroyed, destroyed. There's another joint practice tomorrow, Yeah,
there is.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I already mentioned on the show that you have an
idea of where you stand compared to real NFL competition
outside of your team tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I feel more confident in the stable of edge rushers
this year than I did in that offensive line there.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, I mean, if we want to bring it up,
we can.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
I mean, that's what I was alluding to. I was,
I was heading that way. Thank you very much for
it for taking over to steerwell there. Sorry, No, that's fine.
If this is a game that's being played, right, we
keep talking about triple Ah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
If this is a game that's being played, are you ready,
Dallas Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
If they have a good showing from a defensive in
room against the Rams, you have more even more leverage,
right And if you'r Micah Parsons, no disrespect, not wishing
this upon him, not saying what he would say, but
I would think that you're kind of hoping that they
don't have a great showing because this shows how much.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That you're needed.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
He's still needed.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
No, No, listen, Micah is Micha and I'm not saying that. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, But I believe that this is a productive
room without Micah. It's not a dominant room without Micah,
it's a productive room. You have guys who can rush
the passer, you're gonna have a great idea of where
you stand without my tomorrow when they face the Rams.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
And I think that whatever is happening in these negotiations,
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Tomorrow might have a little bit of.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
An impact on those negotiations based upon the results of
tomorrow in that room, I will.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I would tend to agree.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
But I think what the big difference between Zach Martin's
ear and Micah's here is that the offensive line depth
was not the defensive depth is. Right now, you're surprised
on how good the depth is here at edge without
Micah that it's it's almost like, you know, Jerry's holding
the cards at this point to say, like, I think
we're all right.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
That's exactly what we can be.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
All right, you obviously do want the best player that's
on the field on the.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Field, but but I'm not right.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
You're gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
You're not in a panic.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
You know my problem with it, And you're both right,
you're both rights. And because I'm also can.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
We go to break and yeah kiss on the other side, Yeah,
we got it. I want to keep this conversation going
when we come back. Let's talk about is this what
you would consider a hollow trade request?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Or is there a legitimate frustration there and it's it's
something that.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Can spill over into the season if it doesn't get
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Kyle Yeomans just had to step out for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
The Coyle just submit a trade request. He did, he did.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
He's he's trying to hold some level. He's refusing to play.
That's unprofessional.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
He's sitting out, rips. It's a hold in for Calm
Dereck Eagleton. He needs to off the bench.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Cole sitting out, that's a hold in. We need you
to fill in, like Jamal Crawford.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Let's go, tommyboy cup it for Tommy.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
In the meantime.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
That's the fastest Timmy will run in camp.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Patrick had a point to break.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
That's the fastest Tommy will run. You don't know what
these two are talking about. Back months ago, maybe six
months ago. I don't know when it was.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
These two challenge each other. No, no, that's incorrect, Tommy.
Tommy challenged me, You challenged.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Him, challenge him?
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Do you Tommy challenge forty yard dad?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
In heart breaks? He said, he'd beat me. Are you
going to stand on business? And Carrie with that?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
When is this happening? Whenever you want?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
He said, whatever is it happening? He's standing on business.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You guys are not clock could have done it for
last episode.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
Tommy was up here copping please, so now it's chest
is poked out again.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Let the error please. Honestly, I don't even remember what
we said the other day.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Today after practice, after you guys finish your interviews, well,
we got to write, so after work, you say, after
cool down? By then, I don't I feel like you
guys gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
You realize working holding Thanks guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Tommy, you realize work is work? Right?
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Let me get so we can do this after the show,
not after the show, because we got the officials.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Of lots of excuses.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I'm that's all I'm We're hearing a lot of punning
going over.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Now you're hearing me getting my bag bag, first ass
kickings we got.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
We got forty five minutes between you and that meeting.
No you don't your math and math we.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Get off the air of forty five? Should your meeting's
at thirty?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
We should?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
It only takes five seconds around your forty maybe sixteen
for some of y'all.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Okay, so are we talking about this scenario?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Is that why happened Whenever he said it, coul happened today?
I said why not right after this?
Speaker 8 (26:40):
And I said, because we have this and then that
I said today after player interviews and we finished off.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Right and whatever. I don't see what what makes it
sounds like Brian Inger?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
What's that he's punting?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You know?
Speaker 8 (26:53):
I love it because I have on record as saying
we could do it this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Okay, so we're doing it. I just need a time,
and you can't.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Do it this afternoon. I don't care. Get the smoke
whenever you want the smoke. Four o'clock on the grill.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Okay, cool, four thirty, four fifteen, four o'clock.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I'm trying to set a time. I'm trying to set
a time.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Four o'clock out, come, come see me, four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
This afternoon, it'll be Patrick No s Walker versus Tommy.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Just remember I was who's gonna win, Who's gonna win? Yeah,
I put it on there.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I was gonna put a pole on excell who's gonna
win that race? Just remember I was my own business.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Four o'clock Pacific, six o'clock Central.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Now, as I was saying about Michael, Okay, yeah, the
cliffhanger from the previous spillover. Yeah, the spill over excellent
points on the cowboys. Will will love to see what
this group of past Russians can do absent Michael, the
Los Angeles Rams and the scrimmage. And I, for one,
I'm interested to see if a guy like Donovanezrock who
(27:52):
can continue his strong camp. I'm curious to see if
Sam Williams can, if Dante Foller can continue going. And
we know Dante camp because he's done it and a
half of the money. But my counterpoint is you said
something about them being good enough without Mike. He wants
to see if they're at least good enough. Yeah, Okay,
(28:12):
I'm kind of tired of good enough around here.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I hear that. I'm real, real tired enough. Like what
is good enough?
Speaker 8 (28:18):
It's gotten you eight and eight has gotten you nine
to seven and twelve and fours. And then you get
to the playoffs, and yeah, you were good enough to
get to the playoffs, or you're good enough to win
this game against this opponent, but then when it comes
to playing an elite contender, then you're not good. I
don't want to love, you say, and you're making a
valid point. My counterpoint is I am no longer accepting
(28:40):
good enough, and I don't want to hear about good
I love dominance, and dominance involves Michael Parks.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I completely agree, and I only say that this let
me preference all this. The deal's going to get done. Okay,
people listening, I wonder what cameraon the deal's going to
get done. I say that deal has to get Might
it be the team that you foresee yourself being? So
I'm saying all that, But in this game of cat
and mouse, in battleship and back and forth, whatever the
(29:09):
game you want to say, leverage, leverage exactly. Leverage matters, right,
And it's it's a ping pong game, back and forth, right,
it's Forrest Gump sometimes back and forth. And if these
guys have a bad showing a little bit of the
leverage goes to Micah if they have a if they
have I mean, if they if they have a bad showing,
the leverage goes to Mica if it if they have
(29:31):
a great showing, that slides back over to ownership because
they're like, yep, see, we can still get things done.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's just it's all position by smith.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But it's all.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Positioning, right, And if we all just get along negotiating.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
How many people out there bought a house?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Like it's back and forth, gentlemen over here, he bought
a car recently? Right, bought a car?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Like there's a little bit of negotiating and it goes
back and forth like I can't do this, Okay, let
me go talk to my manager and then they come
back with some other Oh here's my offer. I don't
really know, but it's literally that just on a much
higher to go.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
We've seen these deals get done, especially in the couples
organization like that. All it takes is one phone call,
the right phone call between the right two or three
people and in this instance, the right it two or
three people involved.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
And David Mulligan that there you go and the number
am I would imagine that the number is set right,
the annual you know, saying revenue that he's gonna be
bringing in, the annual cap number whatever that is, is set.
I would imagine forty one, right imagine. I would imagine
that's it, right like, so there's not a lot that
has to go into it. So this deal can get
done literally in minutes, I would imagine, yr, it just
(30:38):
comes down to years at that point, years and guaranteed guaranteed.
Y'all want to do a four year, don't want to
do a five year. I'm sure he wants to do
a four year. I'm sure the organization wants to do
a five year, right, So you'll are you back and
forth on that, and then it comes down to, okay,
how much guaranteed money? Well, let's look at our roster
when after we face the rams and see where what
holes do we still need to feel?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Are there guys that we need to go get and
if so, we need a position.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
This this deal to allow for us to have space
to go acquire and fill those holes. So that's literally
logistically all that's really out there. People saw is as
scared as people are, right, now is going to get done.
It's not going to take much for it to get done.
But what you're going to hear is a lot of posturing,
a lot of positioning, and.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You just have the weather to storm.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
So would you call that a hollow request?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Hollow?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Would you call it hollow across the board?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
On MICA's side, Yeah, just because it just impressed, I
don't think I don't think it's because I think there's
legitimate frustration.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
In regards to the frustration that thanks right now, all
of that is valid.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
The actually is last sit and Michael Parsons is fit
up with how the process has gone or not going to.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And that if there's any frustration on fans side, that's
how it should be frustrated. The way that the process
has drug out again, that's where there should be a problem,
because the money has done nothing but go up from
the point where they were talking in March and that
deal was on the table from from Jerry Jones's account,
in the way that Micah has taken it off of
the table, whether that's true or not, from that point
(32:04):
until here as we sit in August, the money has
done nothing but go up. So if you're the team.
I don't know what the deal was in March. I
can't tell you what the numbers were in March. But
they're gonna sit there and I'm guaranteeing or not guaranteeing.
But I would be inclined to think that number is
not as high as it is now. But why not
try and get it done then, as opposed to wait
till this point.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
The riady has been on the wall since before Zach Martin,
long before this. But look look at just last year
with CD Lambs. Yeah, when they got the deal done.
Before they were getting the deal done, they said, they're
not on our timetable, We're on theirs. That's just how
it works, man. I wish it was done back in
the off season when we were talking about this. They've
drug it out this long and arguablyieve at this point.
(32:46):
Is it a strategy that they want to see where
the other top edge rushers get paid?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
That be a bad strategy, I mean, but is it?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Does it?
Speaker 9 (32:54):
I guess give them the sit back to recalibrate the
value of the edge at that and giving that the
edge that piece of the pie.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I have no idea. It seems like it's just going up.
Speaker 9 (33:05):
If they wanted to wait till next year or the
year after to get a deal done. Not that I
want that to happen, but they're not on our timetable.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
As much as I wish they were, they are not.
Speaker 8 (33:13):
And for those that are, for those that are pretending
that just because a player is a first round draft
pick that that instantly replaces the talent that's already proven,
I will remind.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
You of Taco Charlton. Now let's move on.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
What what what does talk Taco Charlton have to do
with that first round pick?
Speaker 8 (33:33):
So they're saying like, because he's maybe Work's first round pick,
can immediately come in.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I was thinking contract talks.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
And you went to the draft and because if you
were to, I saw someone in the comments say, oh,
just treat them and get a first round pick, and.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Doesn't.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
As much as I love the Draft show and I
love having draft picks, we didn't even think Mica would
turn into this.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
We really didn't. I mean, okay, Isaiah thought and knew
and always does.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Sorry, But from a general consensus, people were not happy
with the Parsons pick because they were thinking, oh, another
ed rusher in the first round, Let's see what happens.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
That went away real quick.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yes, And of course he ended up having an incredible
camp in twenty one and then he's turned into and all.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Doesn't want to what is the relationship is in a
bad spot, but it's still a long term relationship. You know,
the same thing happens in every mix, the boyfriend or
girl marriage.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I'm not taking this anymore.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
The episode before I walk out episode when he told
you the step and she went to, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
All right, I want to take our second break because
I'm gonna leave plenty of time here in this, uh,
this final segment.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Would you guys, I'm gonna give you guys a choice.
What about this?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Would you rather do a rookie progress report? Or would
you rather have three players to watch going into a
big week?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Here players rookie Okay, so.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
One, let's save that one for before they get big
before the game on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
We'll do that, all right. When we come back on Talking.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Cowboys, we are going to talk through a rookie progress report,
a through f some of the guys that have stood
out on the field so far.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
We'll see who our favorites are when we come back.
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Speaker 7 (37:32):
I thought you were gonna say shouts out top. I'm
expecting a good crowd today.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
When we were driving up there were there were cars
already lined up on Ventura B. There were a lot
of them today, So I think it will be a
good crowd today. Tomorrow is going to be a madhouse.
Tomorrow is going to be awesome. I cannot wait for
tomorrow's practice. It's always simply electric. And here's a good
thing for us on Talking Cowboys is we get to
go today and then we get to go right after that.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
On Wednesday, so we get to break it down for it.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Wednesday is gonna be a big show of of what
happened in the joint practice. Who is great, what looked
looked bad, what looked good, what kind of yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Who got in a fight?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
As Chris Beam alludes to the camera, We'll get into
all of that at some point in time.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It's gonna be.
Speaker 9 (38:18):
It's gonna be our media team versus their media team.
Beam is gonna start throwing punches, Dude.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
They don't want the smoke, they don't want the beams.
We get the numbers and we'll land more punches.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
It just looks like, yeah, flutters down here, Yeah, all right, Josh,
I'm gonna let you start rookie progress report.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
All right, I'm gonna go in order.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I'm gonna I wanna a grade A through F, and
I want a quick synopsis of why you give them
that grade. Let's start and go in order. First round
pick Tyler Booker at offensive guard.
Speaker 9 (38:54):
I'm giving him a solid B, solid B, similar to
B B last. I think he didn't wow to start
the training camp. I don't think he's wowed necessarily here.
He's been solid. He's had some really great reps and
some really like not questionable. He's had some if he days,
you know, good days, bad days, but I imagine it
(39:15):
comes together throughout the season. I think you can rely
on a guy like this with that much confidence. At
this point, Patrick, I'm given Taylor Booker B plus.
Speaker 8 (39:23):
Not only has he been solid, but there are certain
things about his game that impresses me even more over
what I've saw, what I've seen from his Alabama tape.
He is, in fact, or has the potential to be
a road grader at the NFL level. When it comes
to those screenplays, I know one of the knocks, would
you know to those who didn't scout him, correctly said, oh, well,
he can't really move. H He's got motion on those
(39:43):
screenplays and he's he's often.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
At six throwout draft scouts out there like that, because
that was one of my knocks too, is he didn't
move very well.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
That's in college, but they didn't let him move very well.
That they didn't put it on tape.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Context's keep that in mind.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
But to be fair, I was more so aimin at
the X scouts, not those who actually put the work in.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
Okay, let me differentiate, but I'm going to give him
a B plus. In the run game, he looks like
he has the potential to be exceptional. In past pro
He's lost some reps, as every player has across that
offensive line at some point, including Tyler Smith. Okay, but
what I've seen more often than not is I've seen
him win against guys like Osa. I've seen him win
against Solomon Thomas. So I'm giving him a B plus.
(40:29):
I think there's room to grow. But man, he's off
to a really good start.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Let's start from what I've seen, yep, because I'm just
now getting to the point where I'm really starting to
hone in on the guys in the line. I'm I'm
torn between the B minus and a C plus, and
the reason being, I have very high standards when it
comes to first round offensive lineman, and from what I've
seen from him, I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
What he was saying on the podcast or whoever's podcast he.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Was on the death.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Maybe if I hadn't heard about all that, maybe I
would have a little bit higher grade.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But when you say all that, yeah, we will. I
want to see you.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Driving dudes through the ground, right Like I just saw
a Superman every time he hit the ground, concrete busted.
I want to see guys going through the ground. I
want to see him using his arms. I've seen him
use a lot of his pads to block really, so
he's letting guys into his chest. That's not going to
work in this league. And I know we're kind of
eighty seventy five eighty percent of it in practice in
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terms of how hard the lineman can actually go at
each other, because nobody wants to hit the ground and.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
It's not necessarily pad level. That's his problem. He's still no, no,
it's just not high. But it's the way that he's
blocking us. He's like from what I've seen. Again, I'm
not watching all his reps. It's alligator.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
I've seen a lot of alligator, and you can't have
that at that position.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
You would get thrown out the club no white tea's.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
So you know, we will get a better sense of
it tomorrow because it won't be eighty percent. Sorry, I mean,
even though you don't want to hit the ground, it's
gonna be a hundred. So you'll know exactly where you
stand with him tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I'll give him a bee there too, do the same thing.
He's been solid, hasn't done anything that's concerned me across
the board, but he also hasn't done anything the wow
me yet. We haven't seen that wow rep where he's
throwing people out of the club, no white teas, and
he's out of throwing around different defensive linemens.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
So we'll kind of stick there with that B grade.
Moving in the Donovan Azeraki, this should.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Be a pretty easy one going in Isaiah. I'm going
with the A yeah. I just think that he has won.
Only reason why he's not an A plus is because
I haven't seen the plethora of moves yet. I've seen
him win with a yeah. I've seen him move with
a win with a couple of different variations, but not
I don't think that he has a whole bag of
moves yet, and that'll come right.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
He's a young gun.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
But what he does have in his bag he's been
winning with, and that a speed as quickness as his
acceleration off the boss, timing the first step, his ability
to dip, he's a problem. I'm looking forward to him
being in that that wave of defensive lineman that can
really get out through the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, everything Isaiah said, it's an A for me. With Zraku,
it's an A.
Speaker 8 (43:06):
Yes, he still has some work to do, but again,
coming out of entering his first NFL training camp, having
the arsenal that he has, being the technician that he is,
it is not often that you see that with a guy,
also a guy who's not.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Coming from a power program. Right.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
So, yeah, he led the nation in sex, but that
was one of the knocks that some people had to
him as oh, well he's coming out of a Boston college.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
It's translating against NFL players.
Speaker 8 (43:31):
So I'm giving Donovan Ezrakud a can't wait to see
what this young man can do going forward.
Speaker 9 (43:35):
Like an Emma Stone movie. It's an easy a. I
did a Patrick Walker just then. No, Absolutely, he's a guy.
He's that first step is exactly what you think it is.
It's exactly what you're hearing about. If you're watching on Twitter,
if you're looking at camp captures on Dallas Cowboys dot com,
it is an article. It is just impressive, simply, and
(43:56):
he looks like a first round pick. He doesn't look
like a second round pick. It's insane to see. How
just is that what I'm looking for?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
He is just already there. He's already arrived.
Speaker 9 (44:07):
He's arrived a verified star at this point in camp.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Would love to see a translate on the field.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
We'll skip over Savonne Rebel since he's heard and inactive.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Let's go. Let's go straight to Jaden Blue Texas.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Josh, I'll let you start, all right, I think so
far you got to say B plus.
Speaker 9 (44:27):
I mean, he's getting reps with the ones. You know,
you'll love to see that. You love to see a
guy that's able to dual threat.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
At running back.
Speaker 9 (44:33):
He's catching passes one handed at that He's going to
be a threat in many ways. And when we talked
about like a you know, potential running back lineup. He
was like my third down guy. I think you're gonna
see him a lot this season.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
I really do. But I don't want to see him
come off the field in the preseason. I really don't.
Speaker 8 (44:51):
I think it's for me right now. It's a see
with a lot of potential. A c first several practices,
which include unpadded pre This is and to be fair
to Jay and Blue, you can't really tell a lot
in unpadded practices from the running back position. But even
when paddit practice is fired up, it was a It
was a lot of Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders getting
those first team reps, and then Cavante Turpin would step
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in get those handoffs, and then they kind of mixed
in Jay and Blue with Phil Malfa and Hunter Lifkey
from there. So to Josh's point, yes, we are now
seeing Jayden Blue in the first team and it's exciting
to see. But it's also because two of your running
backs are injured. So that makes me wonder, if Deuce
Vaughan and Miles Sanders are not both injured, is Jay
and Blue still getting those first team reps? I don't know,
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maybe maybe not, but the flashes he's he's delivering in
the opportunities that he's being given. More so as these
days progress, that's what has him on the upward trajectory.
So I believe he can finish this camp on an
A for me. But right now he's split in the difference.
He's he's definitely on the upswing right.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Now though, B plus for me.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Man, I think he's he's shown the best vision out
of all the running backs to date.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
For me, I know everybody want to talk about his speed.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
I don't even want to get to a speed yet
when he gets out, you know, for those first two levels,
he's a he's a problem obviously, but his vision has
been what has impressed me, and as any running back,
whether you're a power back or your scat back or
your speed whatever kind of back you want to be,
vision is essential.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
His patients and vision have been the best to me
out of that at that room, I.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Blue you're trying to start that, aren't you?
Speaker 6 (46:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
The uh I put an article on Dallas Cowboys dot
Com yesterday High five and it was five players with
the biggest opportunity going into a big week, and he
was on the list because he has a chance if
he breaks a run. Yep, either at tomorrow or going
into Saturday's game. You break a big run, you have
that speed, you have that vision, you put up good numbers.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
All of a sudden, this wider's early.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Excuse me, this running back competition turns from the veterans
to oh, look at this rookie who's got.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Some fifty three. He's getting closer preseason start.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
The thing is, people, whenever you have speed, I know
we have blow three whenever we else, people kind of
rely on that, and right they trying to get outside
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Times he's not doing No, he's in between the tackles
very like so is.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
He's showing a lot of maturity in terms of his
ability and his responsibilities.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
That's a running back, all right, rapid fire, no description.
Just give me a grade here, Shamar James Patrick.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Uh C.
Speaker 8 (47:18):
I'm seeing him hold on, I'm seeing him start to
come on. I'm seeing him start to come on now
toward the it's not entirely said.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
I said, no description. We got a rapid fire through this.
But but finish your thought first.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
He's on the upswing, on the swing.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
B minus. I think mainly because the pads have just
come on.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Okay, B plus, B plus I'm there, B plus. I
think he's looked good.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
He doesn't need to come off the field though.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Johnny Cornelius offensive line out of Oregon Johnny Cornelius B.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I'm pushing him.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
I haven't watched so much B minus C minus.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Okay, C minus is where I was thinking. J Toya
U C l A.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Patrick B plus. I need to see him on the
first team more often. Okay, but god, I like what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
See I'm gonna be B minus for me.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Okay, uh, film offa Clemson.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
C plus plus.
Speaker 8 (48:17):
Minus and not necessarily because of him. That's just he's
not getting as many opportunities.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah, Tommy A. King Bisote, Maryland C.
Speaker 9 (48:24):
Minus C plus, I just haven't seen very much of them,
to be honest with you, minus, I.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Want to see more. I've seen more Ja Toya than
I have. Agreed, Tommy A.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
King Bisote, I still want to see more from both
guys across the board. Sorry, we had to blow through
those last couple of ones to get through here.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
But Eagles fans in the check don't have a question.
Who's the number one podcast.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Well, that's why they're listening, you know, That's why they're
That's why they're in the chat. All right, we'll be
back on Wins, bringing him down the entire joint practice
that does happen tomorrow. We'll have some extra training camp
lives for you as well. Of course, Isaiah will be
on the broadcast coming up on Saturday. Lots of exciting
things throughout the week here on Talking Cowboys and in Oxnard,
California for Isaiah standback Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris
(49:05):
Beam in the back of Kyle Yoman saying so long
from Oxnard.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
We will see you on Wednesday.
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Speaker 6 (00:37):
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Speaker 7 (00:50):
We've got the whole casting crew ready for you to
rock today with Isaiah Standback, Patrick Nocy Walker, Josh Rodriguez,
my man Chris Beam in the back.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
We've got the the sound playing already. The music is here.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
The Cowboys are back on the practice field for what
is officially, gentlemen, a game week.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It is a game week in Oxnard.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
The Cowboys not only with the joint practice on Tuesday
against the Rams, but on Saturday they take on the
Rams at Sofi Stadium. Glad you're with us, and gentlemen,
it feels a little different around here.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Maybe it's just the.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Song and the atmosphere set that's in the background, but
for the most part, it's going to be Uh, it's
a different feel this week for this Cowboys team.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Why does it feel different than you, Kyle? We never
get to ask you questions?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, then ask me.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Let's know what. Why is it a different feel around here?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Because we get to see.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Our team hit somebody else, We get to see someone
else get laid out by Malie Hooker, we.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Get to see you. I'm tense, I'm ready to go.
It's an intense week.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
A safe place. You know that, right, It is a
safe place.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's always a safe place.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Its big brock lesnar energy.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Right. Oh, okay that he was a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
No, this is.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Right, hot friend energy.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It came back.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Summer changing jo. How was Summer Slam? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It was a good Uh. It ended spectacularly before this Country.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
No, I mean it was some hesitation, it was.
Speaker 8 (02:21):
It started off both nights started off great, dipped, had
some filler that was quite mid, and then popped off with.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I always checks in about our wrestling like a.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Strange did you guys have far?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Are you winning?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Son?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Extremely contrub But to get back to your question, sorry,
I'm looking forward to seeing the Rams. I love when
the Rams and the Cowboys practice have their joint practice
because it is very competitive, very competitive. They have some
dudes on their team as a very well coached team,
we know they are talented.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
They have some new additions that are going to test out.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Not only are are obviously our offensive line got tested
last year here with their defensive young and young and verse,
but now our cornerbacks, which we know that room is
a little bit depth challenged at this point with all
the injuries that they have going on here in Dallas,
They're gonna get challenged by Pooka, Nakua Davonte Adams, and
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that's gonna be a sight to see. I'm looking forward
to seeing those one on one opportunities, not only in
the team sessions, but those one on ones because you
really get to see guys get exposed.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
On both sides.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
So I'm looking forward to all the competition revolving around
joint practice.
Speaker 8 (03:32):
But it's like Isaiah said that there's a lot of
new additions for the Cowboys, and the question is can
they stand the ring. When you're talking about Jared Vers
and you're talking about the addition of Dante Davante Adams,
along with Will and Nicola and I mean the we
talked about the cornerbacks position with the Cowboys. We said
this coming into camp, and the situation hasn't improved her
(03:53):
kyer Elam. Notwithstanding, you're starting to see a little bit
of shine from some of these younger guys like a
Keimon Hall. Andrew Booth had a good practice a couple
practices ago, but he's nursing all that working back from
an injury. As far as getting back a hundred percent
s gonerbacks group is going to get tested real early.
And here we are, and we talk about these young guys,
they're going to see preseason reps. Now, granted, in the preseason,
they're not going to be going against Devonte Adams, they're
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not going to be going against pookin the cool but
they're going to be going against a talented wide receiver
corp who's coached up by I guess who, Sean McVay,
who can scheme some things open offensive line.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
We talked about Jerry Verse.
Speaker 8 (04:26):
It doesn't get any better from there, right, So we'll
see what they do as early as tomorrow Tuesday, when
they go up against them in the scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
That's when the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
Will officially get to hit someone other than their own
teammates for the first time.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So I'm interested to see that too, love to see that.
Speaker 9 (04:40):
And the Rams are a team that's constantly sort of
in the mix. I mean, they're coming off of a
divisional loss, but they did not start off the season
very well. They didn't look great throughout the season. But
a big thing at least that I remember from last
year is when they came into our facility and they
practice against us, we they kind of.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Beat us up a little bit. It didn't look great.
Speaker 9 (05:00):
We looked a little sloppy, and they were kind of
big dog in us. And this is something that Nate
Newton pointed out to me and felt like, you know,
that was the writing on the wall of like this
team is not ready.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
To be a dog.
Speaker 9 (05:11):
Now you have a chance to defend your honor here
in Oxnard. This is our town, right So I think
at least when you have that, you can compare it
to last year. You can say, if we're showing out
in practice this time, it's going to be a lot
different than it is for the season.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Hopefully it's indicative of that.
Speaker 9 (05:31):
But like you said, pointing out Keemon Hall to a
guy that you really want to see play well in
the preseason and just in practice in general. Hopefully it
doesn't take too many preseason snaps, but just in general.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Yeah, And I want to kind of preface this conversation
for the people that are listening at home. The reason
why we put so much emphasis on these joint practices
is because this is really the first and only opportunity
that you get throughout all of training camp to see
where your team that's going to be on the field
their regular season, where they stand.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
This is the only time that you'll see Ceedee Lamb,
George Pickens and everybody else as a starter going full tilt,
not to the ground, not full tackling, but full tilt
against the competition that they will face when the regular
season approaches. Other than this practice, this one practice, they
will not see that level of competition outside of their
team again until games matter.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, that's the big thing.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So we've got a month between Tuesday, a month exactly
from today until Game one against.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But tomorrow it'll be thirty days out until then, and
so you've got a long time to see it. But
you'll get to see a really good snipe of it.
Of it and to y'all's point, I mean, you look
at the roster from the Rams and they probably say
the same thing vice versa to a certain extent, but
they're playmakers at every level, and so it's gonna challenge you.
I'm excited to see what the run defense looks like,
the interior of our defensive line, the Mazi Smiths, the
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Solomon thomas Is, the j joy Is who's had a.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Good camp so far.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
All of those guys go up against the stable of
running backs that I would love to have on our rosters.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I would love to have.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
A Kyrin Williams or a Blake Cora Moor, a Jarquez
Hunter who is a rookie draft pick out of Auburn
this year in the fourth round.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I would love all of those things to come to fruition.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But now we get to see how we stop them
and how you can stand up against them. So, along
with the receivers that you guys mentioned, with Nikoua and
Adams and Jordan Whittington who tore up Dallas in the
preseason last year, I'm excited to see what the depth
of our defense looks like. Because there have been some
good things that we've seen, there have been some some
not so good things that we've seen on the field,
and we're going to get all of that tested going
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into Tuesday. One of the not so good things that
we've seen throughout camp has been the Micah Parsons saga.
Micah Parsons edge rusher All Pro. He wears number eleven
when he wants to put on the jersey.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yep. He's out here, yep.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Pretty good at football arguably.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And since we were last on this show, of course,
we were last on the show, breaking news, of course,
to hit right around. He has requested a trade for
Ellis Cowboys releasing a statement on X I'm sure if
you're a Cowboys fan and you're listening to Talking Cowboys
about now, you've probably seen the post.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You've probably heard one hundred different opinions on it.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But guess what, we haven't talked about it on our show,
So I want to get your opinion on it.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
The We'll start just by the request.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We'll get into the back and forth here in a
moment and maybe the impact of it all, but just
your thought on the request initially, and remember this is
a show where we do what keep you one, we
say that is what we do.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So Isaiah, I'll let you start.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Try to say that for Friday's Kyle, but being that
as a Monday, I'll give him a sample of that.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Okay, I think that I take that back. Let me
start over.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I believe I believe Jerry Madelon was on my shoulder.
I believe I believe that this was if this is
more to comeback, Michaeh. Parsons has been using all of
his moves right hidden, mashing all the buttons, and then
finally he sees the code and the and the sequence
in which he has to enter in his final finish
(09:09):
him move, and this was his finisher move. Yeah, for
the Dallas exactly for the Dallas Cowboys. And the reason
why I say that is because, as a player who
is contractually bound to an organization and a team in
his current state, there's only so.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Much you can do.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
And you've communicated through the media, you've communicated directly with
the individuals that are a part of the negotiations. You
feel like you're trying to treading water, like you're running
on a hamster wheel and nothing's really getting done. There's
no progress. You want a deal done. They're very patient.
They don't have a sense of urgency, but you do.
You have to pull your card. And if you're playing Uno,
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this is your wild card. This is this is the
one that you've been holding on to until you absolutely
needed it, because bam, here we go. Oh this is
all I have left, And the wild card is I'm
going to put the Dallas Cowboys in a position in
these negotiations where I can remove myself and I now
can allow the fans and the media to negotiate on
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my behalf. There is nothing else that needs to be
said for Micah Parsons. The organization feels the way they
feel they have all the leverage they have him in
a current contract. They don't feel the need to have
a sense of urgency in this regard. And you're already
heard Jerry say I don't mind him not being out
there right now because I don't want him to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So the Joneses in the organization are perfectly fine. But
in terms of Micah, this.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Is smart from my stance as a former player, from
his behalf, because now he literally has to say nothing else.
But we will talk about it every other platform will
talk about it. The fans will be yelling his name
whenever Jerry walks out the practice Jerry Jones and he
cans just sit back, sign sign you know, fake checks
on the sideline, kiss babies, and just let everybody else
(11:00):
do his bidding for him.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
So Isaiah makes a bunch of great points. I'll segue
off of one of his points. This is Michael Parson's
playing the proverbial wild card. Okay, problem is the Cowboys
have to draw for Yeah, okay, you have upwards of
three years of control between this fifth year option and
you can franchise tag him twice before you know. Now,
I don't believe it gets to that point. Let me
(11:22):
be clear. I've said this before. I'm gonna say it again.
I felt this way pre trade request. I feel this
way right now. I believe this deal gets done. Yeah,
I do believe the deal gets done. Everything you're seeing
right now is the game within the game. And that's
one thing that Jerry Jones said that was one hundred
percent true. He said, this is the negotiation and no
matter how you slice it, this is not the first
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time we've seen this dance with a high profile player
who was arguably the best or one of the best
players at his position when it comes to negotiating with
the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I can drop the names.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
You already know the names, the Dak Prescott, that de
Marcus Lawrences, the City Lambs, to Zach Martins.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
It goes on, It goes on.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
It goes on almost every years, but every year. That's
why the trade request, while meteoric in its impact, didn't
move my needle whatsoever. It immediately made me think of
Myles Garrett. Hopefully this ends the same way. However, you
saw what Myles Garrett did in formally demanding a trade
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from the Cleveland Browns, and just over thirty days later
he signed to this massive, record setting deal. Miles and
Michael Parsons are really good friends. Now, I'm gonna use
that point to make my next point. One of the
reasons this has gotten to a trade request and it's
gotten so contentious is it's not just the shots that
are being fired at Michael Parsons as he views it
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and as his agent views it. It's also the shots
that are being fired at Trayvon Diggs. Yeah, who's Michael
Parsons's best friend in this locker room?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
A little over a week ago, they stood on this
field and did a combo pack interview for Solidarity.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So I'm here to tell you.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Parsons is taking all of this into context, and he
simply feels a way about the organization at the moment,
not simply because of his contract issue, but also because
of the contingent between Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And the front office over the rehab stuff.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
All of that is to say, now that I've given
you all that context and something to think about, I
am unmoved by this trade request.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I wish it didn't get to this point.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
I believe the Dallas Cowboys would be it would be
nothing short of professional malepractice to trade away Michael Parsons
at least for anything short of and I kind of
joked about this before on inside training camp. If you're
not giving up two or three planets in this solar system,
it's not We're not even starting the converse.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
But you do understand how Dallas fans, not necessarily Dallas
Cowboys fans, but Dallas sports fans have a little bit
of PTSD.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Because I get.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
A fresh woe unfortunately because of how the you know, Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
We love us. He just signed a deal I don't
want to hear.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
So is it impossible.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
No, it's not impossible, because nothing's impossible, But the odds
of it occurring are so meniscw that in my mind
it's not worth entertaining.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Josh, are you losing sleep?
Speaker 9 (14:16):
I'm not losing sleep over this, And that was my point.
I was about to make thank you Isaiah for the
perfect segue, because Jerry talked about it after practice and
he said, don't lose sleep over this. This is I've
been here a while, I kind of done this a
time or two. This is how the game is played.
This is how Micah's Parsons is choosing to gain leverage.
But matter of fact, and as you to have gracefully
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pointed out, the Cowboys hold all the leverage they have
controlled this contract over the next three seasons between the
fifth year option and then of course the two franchise tags.
And not to mention, the Cowboys have used the franchise
tag as recently as Dak Prescotte. Don't think for a
second that they won't also use it on a Micah Parsons.
It would be unfortunate, but they will do it if
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they need to. Michael Parsons will not be traded, in
my opinion, to any other team. He will play for
the Dallas Cowboys. If it comes to him wanting to
set out games or what have you, that would be
obviously a financial risk. But if he feels that way,
I mean more power to him. That's based on what
the player wants to do and between him and his agent. Now,
(15:18):
if you consider the fact that here we stand, you know,
just a few days after the trade request, within thirty days,
it happened for Miles Garrett. Again, it's just a move,
a part of the move, a part of the move.
This is how the game is played. I'm not phased
by it at anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I've had conversations with Micah too when hosting certain events
and different things where it's about his money, and even
before the contract talks were even a thing. This is
going back multiple years now, but one of the things
he talked about was being smart.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
With your money.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And one of the things he's doing right now to
show that he cares about being smart with his money
is showing up to training camp, showing up and not
taking that fifty thousand dollars fine and standing on the
side at least being their first teammates and being around
the camp and the facility and the staff and all
of those different elements. So I find it hard to
believe he will sit out games. Yeah, that's but that's
(16:10):
the next leverage move, that's the next wild card that
people aren't necessarily seeing as a possibility. That would be
where I think the front office could lose a little
bit of leverages if he were to sit out certain games,
because they want him on the field, they want him
as a.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Part of this.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
But in order to give up that leverage, or to
gain that leverage, if you're Michael Parsons, you're gonna have
to give up some cash, and he's going to be
less smart about his money.
Speaker 8 (16:35):
And I do agree with Kyle in the capacity of
if Michael Parsons were so inclined if for whatever reason,
the deal is not done by September fourth, and Michael Parsons,
we're so inclined to miss the first couple of games.
Those couple of games are against the divisional revels, right, yep.
Where it's not just one loss equals mathematically one loss. Yeah,
it's more like one and a half pretty much Okay.
On top of that, let's just be completely clear. Let's
(16:57):
be honest. We're saying with our chests, right, let's say
with our chess. Jerry Jones said this time and again,
and he knows what I'm about to say is true.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
He's mortal, okay, and he's not a spring chicken.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
So if you were to entertain trading Michael Parsons, yeah,
you get all these draft picks that you hope hopefully
panned out in the next two, three, four, five years.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
However, again, you're not a.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
Twenty year old, a thirty year old to forty year old,
not even a fifty year's trying to win now. If
you're trying to win right now, you just put the
keys to the throne in the hands of Brian Schottenheimer,
who was the first time NFL head coach, and he's
saying all the right things, and through this point in training,
cap Brian Schotenheimer's also doing.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
All the right things.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Do you want to take a blade and cut at
one of his proverbial achilles going into his inaugural season
right as far as taking one of the if not
arguably the best pass rusher off of the field, maybe
for one game, two games, multiple games. So yes, to
your point, Kyle, if Michael Parsons pushes that envelope, yeah,
Jerry could call us bluff. He has three years of
rights to call his bluff for And so yeah, Michael
(17:58):
Parson is not going to sit out one entire season,
two entire seasons. This will get resolved. But if Michael
Parson sits out one or two games and they happen
to be against the Eagles and the Giants and you
lose those two games, yes.
Speaker 9 (18:11):
Let me ask a question real quick, and you just
alluded to it. The fact that this is happening in
coach Schottenheimer's inaugural season with the Dallas cow as head coach,
does this affect the new culture that he's been trying
to build, Like, you know, I think we're all sort
of kumbaya coming into this training camp and you've seen
it out here. Discipline, yelling at players whenever they're getting fights,
all of that. Does this affect this sort of outside
(18:32):
noise effect what's happening within that locker room?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
No? No, no.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
As a former player, now you understand business is business,
but the coach is preaching is something completely different.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
This has no impact on the guy's.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Continuity or you know, culture or any of those none
of that stuff. Let me let me put this out there,
and a lot of people might disagree with me, but
it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Fine. This is a game of chess. But don't know
to chest.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Say it with your face some people.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Some people plays.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
And for those that don't know how to play chess, learn,
I don't play it out. Learn you play checkers right,
and you can get kings, and you get double double
when you go across, you trouble jump and do all
the things.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Last year, around this time, there was a gentleman by
the name of who that was sitting out Zach Martin.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Okay in a couple of years back. Yeah, okay, a
couple years bout last.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Together.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
This is how many people, how many comedies Zach Martin
sat out?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
If I remember correctly past the joint practice, Yes, yes,
at the joint practice, the office.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Line got worked, destroyed, destroyed. There's another joint practice tomorrow, Yeah,
there is.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I already mentioned on the show that you have an
idea of where you stand compared to real NFL competition
outside of your team tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I feel more confident in the stable of edge rushers
this year than I did in that offensive line there.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, I mean, if we want to bring it up,
we can.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
I mean, that's what I was alluding to. I was,
I was heading that way. Thank you very much for
it for taking over to steerwell there. Sorry, No, that's fine.
If this is a game that's being played, right, we
keep talking about triple Ah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
If this is a game that's being played, are you ready,
Dallas Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
If they have a good showing from a defensive in
room against the Rams, you have more even more leverage,
right And if you'r Micah Parsons, no disrespect, not wishing
this upon him, not saying what he would say, but
I would think that you're kind of hoping that they
don't have a great showing because this shows how much.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That you're needed.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
He's still needed.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
No, No, listen, Micah is Micha and I'm not saying that. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, But I believe that this is a productive
room without Micah. It's not a dominant room without Micah,
it's a productive room. You have guys who can rush
the passer, you're gonna have a great idea of where
you stand without my tomorrow when they face the Rams.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
And I think that whatever is happening in these negotiations,
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Tomorrow might have a little bit of.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
An impact on those negotiations based upon the results of
tomorrow in that room, I will.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I would tend to agree.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
But I think what the big difference between Zach Martin's
ear and Micah's here is that the offensive line depth
was not the defensive depth is. Right now, you're surprised
on how good the depth is here at edge without
Micah that it's it's almost like, you know, Jerry's holding
the cards at this point to say, like, I think
we're all right.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
That's exactly what we can be.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
All right, you obviously do want the best player that's
on the field on the.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Field, but but I'm not right.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
You're gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
You're not in a panic.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
You know my problem with it, And you're both right,
you're both rights. And because I'm also can.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
We go to break and yeah kiss on the other side, Yeah,
we got it. I want to keep this conversation going
when we come back. Let's talk about is this what
you would consider a hollow trade request?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Or is there a legitimate frustration there and it's it's
something that.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Can spill over into the season if it doesn't get
resolved by midway through training camp. There's a lot of
questions at hand. We'll hit touch on that when we
come back with more of Talking Cowboys right after this.
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Kyle Yeomans just had to step out for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
The Coyle just submit a trade request. He did, he did.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
He's he's trying to hold some level. He's refusing to play.
That's unprofessional.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
He's sitting out, rips. It's a hold in for Calm
Dereck Eagleton. He needs to off the bench.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Cole sitting out, that's a hold in. We need you
to fill in, like Jamal Crawford.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Let's go, tommyboy cup it for Tommy.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
In the meantime.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
That's the fastest Timmy will run in camp.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Patrick had a point to break.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
That's the fastest Tommy will run. You don't know what
these two are talking about. Back months ago, maybe six
months ago. I don't know when it was.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
These two challenge each other. No, no, that's incorrect, Tommy.
Tommy challenged me, You challenged.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Him, challenge him?
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Do you Tommy challenge forty yard dad?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
In heart breaks? He said, he'd beat me. Are you
going to stand on business? And Carrie with that?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
When is this happening? Whenever you want?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
He said, whatever is it happening? He's standing on business.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You guys are not clock could have done it for
last episode.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
Tommy was up here copping please, so now it's chest
is poked out again.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Let the error please. Honestly, I don't even remember what
we said the other day.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Today after practice, after you guys finish your interviews, well,
we got to write, so after work, you say, after
cool down? By then, I don't I feel like you
guys gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
You realize working holding Thanks guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Tommy, you realize work is work? Right?
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Let me get so we can do this after the show,
not after the show, because we got the officials.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Of lots of excuses.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I'm that's all I'm We're hearing a lot of punning
going over.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Now you're hearing me getting my bag bag, first ass
kickings we got.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
We got forty five minutes between you and that meeting.
No you don't your math and math we.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Get off the air of forty five? Should your meeting's
at thirty?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
We should?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
It only takes five seconds around your forty maybe sixteen
for some of y'all.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Okay, so are we talking about this scenario?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Is that why happened Whenever he said it, coul happened today?
I said why not right after this?
Speaker 8 (26:40):
And I said, because we have this and then that
I said today after player interviews and we finished off.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Right and whatever. I don't see what what makes it
sounds like Brian Inger?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
What's that he's punting?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You know?
Speaker 8 (26:53):
I love it because I have on record as saying
we could do it this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Okay, so we're doing it. I just need a time,
and you can't.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Do it this afternoon. I don't care. Get the smoke
whenever you want the smoke. Four o'clock on the grill.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Okay, cool, four thirty, four fifteen, four o'clock.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I'm trying to set a time. I'm trying to set
a time.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Four o'clock out, come, come see me, four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
This afternoon, it'll be Patrick No s Walker versus Tommy.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Just remember I was who's gonna win, Who's gonna win? Yeah,
I put it on there.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I was gonna put a pole on excell who's gonna
win that race? Just remember I was my own business.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Four o'clock Pacific, six o'clock Central.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Now, as I was saying about Michael, Okay, yeah, the
cliffhanger from the previous spillover. Yeah, the spill over excellent
points on the cowboys. Will will love to see what
this group of past Russians can do absent Michael, the
Los Angeles Rams and the scrimmage. And I, for one,
I'm interested to see if a guy like Donovanezrock who
(27:52):
can continue his strong camp. I'm curious to see if
Sam Williams can, if Dante Foller can continue going. And
we know Dante camp because he's done it and a
half of the money. But my counterpoint is you said
something about them being good enough without Mike. He wants
to see if they're at least good enough. Yeah, Okay,
(28:12):
I'm kind of tired of good enough around here.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I hear that. I'm real, real tired enough. Like what
is good enough?
Speaker 8 (28:18):
It's gotten you eight and eight has gotten you nine
to seven and twelve and fours. And then you get
to the playoffs, and yeah, you were good enough to
get to the playoffs, or you're good enough to win
this game against this opponent, but then when it comes
to playing an elite contender, then you're not good. I
don't want to love, you say, and you're making a
valid point. My counterpoint is I am no longer accepting
(28:40):
good enough, and I don't want to hear about good
I love dominance, and dominance involves Michael Parks.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I completely agree, and I only say that this let
me preference all this. The deal's going to get done. Okay,
people listening, I wonder what cameraon the deal's going to
get done. I say that deal has to get Might
it be the team that you foresee yourself being? So
I'm saying all that, But in this game of cat
and mouse, in battleship and back and forth, whatever the
(29:09):
game you want to say, leverage, leverage exactly. Leverage matters, right,
And it's it's a ping pong game, back and forth, right,
it's Forrest Gump sometimes back and forth. And if these
guys have a bad showing a little bit of the
leverage goes to Micah if they have a if they
have I mean, if they if they have a bad showing,
the leverage goes to Mica if it if they have
(29:31):
a great showing, that slides back over to ownership because
they're like, yep, see, we can still get things done.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's just it's all position by smith.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But it's all.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Positioning, right, And if we all just get along negotiating.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
How many people out there bought a house?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Like it's back and forth, gentlemen over here, he bought
a car recently? Right, bought a car?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Like there's a little bit of negotiating and it goes
back and forth like I can't do this, Okay, let
me go talk to my manager and then they come
back with some other Oh here's my offer. I don't
really know, but it's literally that just on a much
higher to go.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
We've seen these deals get done, especially in the couples
organization like that. All it takes is one phone call,
the right phone call between the right two or three
people and in this instance, the right it two or
three people involved.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
And David Mulligan that there you go and the number
am I would imagine that the number is set right,
the annual you know, saying revenue that he's gonna be
bringing in, the annual cap number whatever that is, is set.
I would imagine forty one, right imagine. I would imagine
that's it, right like, so there's not a lot that
has to go into it. So this deal can get
done literally in minutes, I would imagine, yr, it just
(30:38):
comes down to years at that point, years and guaranteed guaranteed.
Y'all want to do a four year, don't want to
do a five year. I'm sure he wants to do
a four year. I'm sure the organization wants to do
a five year, right, So you'll are you back and
forth on that, and then it comes down to, okay,
how much guaranteed money? Well, let's look at our roster
when after we face the rams and see where what
holes do we still need to feel?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Are there guys that we need to go get and
if so, we need a position.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
This this deal to allow for us to have space
to go acquire and fill those holes. So that's literally
logistically all that's really out there. People saw is as
scared as people are, right, now is going to get done.
It's not going to take much for it to get done.
But what you're going to hear is a lot of posturing,
a lot of positioning, and.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You just have the weather to storm.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
So would you call that a hollow request?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Hollow?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Would you call it hollow across the board?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
On MICA's side, Yeah, just because it just impressed, I
don't think I don't think it's because I think there's
legitimate frustration.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
In regards to the frustration that thanks right now, all
of that is valid.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
The actually is last sit and Michael Parsons is fit
up with how the process has gone or not going to.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And that if there's any frustration on fans side, that's
how it should be frustrated. The way that the process
has drug out again, that's where there should be a problem,
because the money has done nothing but go up from
the point where they were talking in March and that
deal was on the table from from Jerry Jones's account,
in the way that Micah has taken it off of
the table, whether that's true or not, from that point
(32:04):
until here as we sit in August, the money has
done nothing but go up. So if you're the team.
I don't know what the deal was in March. I
can't tell you what the numbers were in March. But
they're gonna sit there and I'm guaranteeing or not guaranteeing.
But I would be inclined to think that number is
not as high as it is now. But why not
try and get it done then, as opposed to wait
till this point.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
The riady has been on the wall since before Zach Martin,
long before this. But look look at just last year
with CD Lambs. Yeah, when they got the deal done.
Before they were getting the deal done, they said, they're
not on our timetable, We're on theirs. That's just how
it works, man. I wish it was done back in
the off season when we were talking about this. They've
drug it out this long and arguablyieve at this point.
(32:46):
Is it a strategy that they want to see where
the other top edge rushers get paid?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
That be a bad strategy, I mean, but is it?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Does it?
Speaker 9 (32:54):
I guess give them the sit back to recalibrate the
value of the edge at that and giving that the
edge that piece of the pie.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I have no idea. It seems like it's just going up.
Speaker 9 (33:05):
If they wanted to wait till next year or the
year after to get a deal done. Not that I
want that to happen, but they're not on our timetable.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
As much as I wish they were, they are not.
Speaker 8 (33:13):
And for those that are, for those that are pretending
that just because a player is a first round draft
pick that that instantly replaces the talent that's already proven,
I will remind.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
You of Taco Charlton. Now let's move on.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
What what what does talk Taco Charlton have to do
with that first round pick?
Speaker 8 (33:33):
So they're saying like, because he's maybe Work's first round pick,
can immediately come in.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I was thinking contract talks.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
And you went to the draft and because if you
were to, I saw someone in the comments say, oh,
just treat them and get a first round pick, and.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Doesn't.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
As much as I love the Draft show and I
love having draft picks, we didn't even think Mica would
turn into this.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
We really didn't. I mean, okay, Isaiah thought and knew
and always does.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Sorry, But from a general consensus, people were not happy
with the Parsons pick because they were thinking, oh, another
ed rusher in the first round, Let's see what happens.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
That went away real quick.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yes, And of course he ended up having an incredible
camp in twenty one and then he's turned into and all.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Doesn't want to what is the relationship is in a
bad spot, but it's still a long term relationship. You know,
the same thing happens in every mix, the boyfriend or
girl marriage.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I'm not taking this anymore.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
The episode before I walk out episode when he told
you the step and she went to, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
All right, I want to take our second break because
I'm gonna leave plenty of time here in this, uh,
this final segment.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Would you guys, I'm gonna give you guys a choice.
What about this?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Would you rather do a rookie progress report? Or would
you rather have three players to watch going into a
big week?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Here players rookie Okay, so.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
One, let's save that one for before they get big
before the game on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
We'll do that, all right. When we come back on Talking.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Cowboys, we are going to talk through a rookie progress report,
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go today and then we get to go right after that.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
On Wednesday, so we get to break it down for it.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Wednesday is gonna be a big show of of what
happened in the joint practice. Who is great, what looked
looked bad, what looked good, what kind of yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Who got in a fight?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
As Chris Beam alludes to the camera, We'll get into
all of that at some point in time.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It's gonna be.
Speaker 9 (38:18):
It's gonna be our media team versus their media team.
Beam is gonna start throwing punches, Dude.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
They don't want the smoke, they don't want the beams.
We get the numbers and we'll land more punches.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
It just looks like, yeah, flutters down here, Yeah, all right, Josh,
I'm gonna let you start rookie progress report.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
All right, I'm gonna go in order.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I'm gonna I wanna a grade A through F, and
I want a quick synopsis of why you give them
that grade. Let's start and go in order. First round
pick Tyler Booker at offensive guard.
Speaker 9 (38:54):
I'm giving him a solid B, solid B, similar to
B B last. I think he didn't wow to start
the training camp. I don't think he's wowed necessarily here.
He's been solid. He's had some really great reps and
some really like not questionable. He's had some if he days,
you know, good days, bad days, but I imagine it
(39:15):
comes together throughout the season. I think you can rely
on a guy like this with that much confidence. At
this point, Patrick, I'm given Taylor Booker B plus.
Speaker 8 (39:23):
Not only has he been solid, but there are certain
things about his game that impresses me even more over
what I've saw, what I've seen from his Alabama tape.
He is, in fact, or has the potential to be
a road grader at the NFL level. When it comes
to those screenplays, I know one of the knocks, would
you know to those who didn't scout him, correctly said, oh, well,
he can't really move. H He's got motion on those
(39:43):
screenplays and he's he's often.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
At six throwout draft scouts out there like that, because
that was one of my knocks too, is he didn't
move very well.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
That's in college, but they didn't let him move very well.
That they didn't put it on tape.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Context's keep that in mind.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
But to be fair, I was more so aimin at
the X scouts, not those who actually put the work in.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
Okay, let me differentiate, but I'm going to give him
a B plus. In the run game, he looks like
he has the potential to be exceptional. In past pro
He's lost some reps, as every player has across that
offensive line at some point, including Tyler Smith. Okay, but
what I've seen more often than not is I've seen
him win against guys like Osa. I've seen him win
against Solomon Thomas. So I'm giving him a B plus.
(40:29):
I think there's room to grow. But man, he's off
to a really good start.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Let's start from what I've seen, yep, because I'm just
now getting to the point where I'm really starting to
hone in on the guys in the line. I'm I'm
torn between the B minus and a C plus, and
the reason being, I have very high standards when it
comes to first round offensive lineman, and from what I've
seen from him, I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
What he was saying on the podcast or whoever's podcast he.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Was on the death.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Maybe if I hadn't heard about all that, maybe I
would have a little bit higher grade.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But when you say all that, yeah, we will. I
want to see you.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Driving dudes through the ground, right Like I just saw
a Superman every time he hit the ground, concrete busted.
I want to see guys going through the ground. I
want to see him using his arms. I've seen him
use a lot of his pads to block really, so
he's letting guys into his chest. That's not going to
work in this league. And I know we're kind of
eighty seventy five eighty percent of it in practice in
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terms of how hard the lineman can actually go at
each other, because nobody wants to hit the ground and.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
It's not necessarily pad level. That's his problem. He's still no, no,
it's just not high. But it's the way that he's
blocking us. He's like from what I've seen. Again, I'm
not watching all his reps. It's alligator.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
I've seen a lot of alligator, and you can't have
that at that position.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
You would get thrown out the club no white tea's.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
So you know, we will get a better sense of
it tomorrow because it won't be eighty percent. Sorry, I mean,
even though you don't want to hit the ground, it's
gonna be a hundred. So you'll know exactly where you
stand with him tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I'll give him a bee there too, do the same thing.
He's been solid, hasn't done anything that's concerned me across
the board, but he also hasn't done anything the wow
me yet. We haven't seen that wow rep where he's
throwing people out of the club, no white teas, and
he's out of throwing around different defensive linemens.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
So we'll kind of stick there with that B grade.
Moving in the Donovan Azeraki, this should.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Be a pretty easy one going in Isaiah. I'm going
with the A yeah. I just think that he has won.
Only reason why he's not an A plus is because
I haven't seen the plethora of moves yet. I've seen
him win with a yeah. I've seen him move with
a win with a couple of different variations, but not
I don't think that he has a whole bag of
moves yet, and that'll come right.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
He's a young gun.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
But what he does have in his bag he's been
winning with, and that a speed as quickness as his
acceleration off the boss, timing the first step, his ability
to dip, he's a problem. I'm looking forward to him
being in that that wave of defensive lineman that can
really get out through the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, everything Isaiah said, it's an A for me. With Zraku,
it's an A.
Speaker 8 (43:06):
Yes, he still has some work to do, but again,
coming out of entering his first NFL training camp, having
the arsenal that he has, being the technician that he is,
it is not often that you see that with a guy,
also a guy who's not.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Coming from a power program. Right.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
So, yeah, he led the nation in sex, but that
was one of the knocks that some people had to
him as oh, well he's coming out of a Boston college.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
It's translating against NFL players.
Speaker 8 (43:31):
So I'm giving Donovan Ezrakud a can't wait to see
what this young man can do going forward.
Speaker 9 (43:35):
Like an Emma Stone movie. It's an easy a. I
did a Patrick Walker just then. No, Absolutely, he's a guy.
He's that first step is exactly what you think it is.
It's exactly what you're hearing about. If you're watching on Twitter,
if you're looking at camp captures on Dallas Cowboys dot com,
it is an article. It is just impressive, simply, and
(43:56):
he looks like a first round pick. He doesn't look
like a second round pick. It's insane to see. How
just is that what I'm looking for?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
He is just already there. He's already arrived.
Speaker 9 (44:07):
He's arrived a verified star at this point in camp.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Would love to see a translate on the field.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
We'll skip over Savonne Rebel since he's heard and inactive.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Let's go. Let's go straight to Jaden Blue Texas.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Josh, I'll let you start, all right, I think so
far you got to say B plus.
Speaker 9 (44:27):
I mean, he's getting reps with the ones. You know,
you'll love to see that. You love to see a
guy that's able to dual threat.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
At running back.
Speaker 9 (44:33):
He's catching passes one handed at that He's going to
be a threat in many ways. And when we talked
about like a you know, potential running back lineup. He
was like my third down guy. I think you're gonna
see him a lot this season.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
I really do. But I don't want to see him
come off the field in the preseason. I really don't.
Speaker 8 (44:51):
I think it's for me right now. It's a see
with a lot of potential. A c first several practices,
which include unpadded pre This is and to be fair
to Jay and Blue, you can't really tell a lot
in unpadded practices from the running back position. But even
when paddit practice is fired up, it was a It
was a lot of Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders getting
those first team reps, and then Cavante Turpin would step
(45:13):
in get those handoffs, and then they kind of mixed
in Jay and Blue with Phil Malfa and Hunter Lifkey
from there. So to Josh's point, yes, we are now
seeing Jayden Blue in the first team and it's exciting
to see. But it's also because two of your running
backs are injured. So that makes me wonder, if Deuce
Vaughan and Miles Sanders are not both injured, is Jay
and Blue still getting those first team reps? I don't know,
(45:34):
maybe maybe not, but the flashes he's he's delivering in
the opportunities that he's being given. More so as these
days progress, that's what has him on the upward trajectory.
So I believe he can finish this camp on an
A for me. But right now he's split in the difference.
He's he's definitely on the upswing right.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Now though, B plus for me.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Man, I think he's he's shown the best vision out
of all the running backs to date.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
For me, I know everybody want to talk about his speed.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
I don't even want to get to a speed yet
when he gets out, you know, for those first two levels,
he's a he's a problem obviously, but his vision has
been what has impressed me, and as any running back,
whether you're a power back or your scat back or
your speed whatever kind of back you want to be,
vision is essential.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
His patients and vision have been the best to me
out of that at that room, I.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Blue you're trying to start that, aren't you?
Speaker 6 (46:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
The uh I put an article on Dallas Cowboys dot
Com yesterday High five and it was five players with
the biggest opportunity going into a big week, and he
was on the list because he has a chance if
he breaks a run. Yep, either at tomorrow or going
into Saturday's game. You break a big run, you have
that speed, you have that vision, you put up good numbers.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
All of a sudden, this wider's early.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Excuse me, this running back competition turns from the veterans
to oh, look at this rookie who's got.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Some fifty three. He's getting closer preseason start.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
The thing is, people, whenever you have speed, I know
we have blow three whenever we else, people kind of
rely on that, and right they trying to get outside
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Times he's not doing No, he's in between the tackles
very like so is.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
He's showing a lot of maturity in terms of his
ability and his responsibilities.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
That's a running back, all right, rapid fire, no description.
Just give me a grade here, Shamar James Patrick.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Uh C.
Speaker 8 (47:18):
I'm seeing him hold on, I'm seeing him start to
come on. I'm seeing him start to come on now
toward the it's not entirely said.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
I said, no description. We got a rapid fire through this.
But but finish your thought first.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
He's on the upswing, on the swing.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
B minus. I think mainly because the pads have just
come on.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Okay, B plus, B plus I'm there, B plus. I
think he's looked good.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
He doesn't need to come off the field though.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Johnny Cornelius offensive line out of Oregon Johnny Cornelius B.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I'm pushing him.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
I haven't watched so much B minus C minus.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Okay, C minus is where I was thinking. J Toya
U C l A.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Patrick B plus. I need to see him on the
first team more often. Okay, but god, I like what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
See I'm gonna be B minus for me.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Okay, uh, film offa Clemson.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
C plus plus.
Speaker 8 (48:17):
Minus and not necessarily because of him. That's just he's
not getting as many opportunities.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah, Tommy A. King Bisote, Maryland C.
Speaker 9 (48:24):
Minus C plus, I just haven't seen very much of them,
to be honest with you, minus, I.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Want to see more. I've seen more Ja Toya than
I have. Agreed, Tommy A.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
King Bisote, I still want to see more from both
guys across the board. Sorry, we had to blow through
those last couple of ones to get through here.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
But Eagles fans in the check don't have a question.
Who's the number one podcast.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Well, that's why they're listening, you know, That's why they're
That's why they're in the chat. All right, we'll be
back on Wins, bringing him down the entire joint practice
that does happen tomorrow. We'll have some extra training camp
lives for you as well. Of course, Isaiah will be
on the broadcast coming up on Saturday. Lots of exciting
things throughout the week here on Talking Cowboys and in Oxnard,
California for Isaiah standback Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Chris
(49:05):
Beam in the back of Kyle Yoman saying so long
from Oxnard.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
We will see you on Wednesday.
Speaker 13 (49:11):
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