Talkin’ Cowboys: Selectively Aggressive?

Kyle Youmans, Patrik Walker, Isaiah Stanback and Josh Rodriguez discuss Zack Martin’s legacy and how the O-Line moves on from here, Stephen Jones’ comments from the NFL Scouting Combine, and take a look back at Isaiah’s combine experience.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez
and Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Welcome into Talking Cowboys by Black Rifle Coffee Company live
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
Baby, We've got the whole cast and crew ready for
you to rock today. Patrick Nocy, Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah
stand back.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
That is I Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Gally, you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
I don't know if you can say that on air.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
I can it.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We can eat your oats on the internet too. You said,
well you can get your oats on the internet.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
You can't get your oats something you can do that,
get that on the internet too, no doubt about it.
Welcome in, everybody, Glad you're with us. Lots to catch
up on over the last week. Right now in Indianapolis,
the NFL Combine is underway, which means information is flying.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Around the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
There's a lot going on across the board, whether it's
from a fron office standpoint, from a draft standpoint, scouting players, coaches,
all sorts of stuff is kind of happening all at
the same time in Indianapolis, and we're gonna break it
down for you as we go along here over this
next hour. But before we get into any of that,
the biggest news of the week after we were last

(01:52):
on the air, Zach Martin is expected to retire the
seven time first Team All Pro, time total All Pro,
and first ballot Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I would like to say forward.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I mean, there's been three Cowboys in franchise history that
have had seven first.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Team All Pro?

Speaker 6 (02:14):
Who are they?

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Comedies?

Speaker 7 (02:15):
Randy White pretty Good, Bob Lily and Zach Martin, the Manster,
Mister Cowboy and the Gold There you go, and the
first two were what they were, first ballot Hall of Famers.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
So next top Canton, Yeah, next top Canton.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
For Zack Martin, it's just a matter of win, not
if his career comes to a close. We kind of
alluded to it a little bit last week, and there
was a feeling around the building that it was done.
Missed the final seven games due to injury, and it
kind of it felt like it was the right time
to ride off into the sunset. The offensive line has
some depth that they can work with behind him. They

(02:53):
played well without him up front, not the same as
strengthened prime Zach Martin, but still it was a bummer
to see that his career is coming to an end
because it was a hell of a career to watch.

Speaker 7 (03:05):
Yeah, we've been talking about it for the large majority
of last season because you know, just more and more
as it went on, you saw what used to be
a resident iron man in Zach Martin. I mean, it's
not so long ago that we could point at Zach
Martin and know that every single snap, every single week,
that he would be on the field, And just over
the past season plus, I'd say, his body just started

(03:27):
to kind of not let that be the case anymore,
and his play suffered because of it. And unfortunately, we
saw a situation where you know, Zach went down with
the season ending ankle injury and brought Kaffman, to his credit,
was able to come in and stabilize things. But if
you're talking about losing Zach Martin and gaining stability. That
tells you where he was in the career. So incomparable career,

(03:51):
I cannot think Zach Martin enough for what he did
for this organization. I hate that it's another legend going
out without some jewelry, but it doesn't in fact, not
only in the Zach Martin era, but it ends that
particular era when we're talking about Tyrone Smith, Zach Martin,
Travis Frederick, Frederick having retired to the GPS, GBS. So yeah,

(04:13):
it was time, most certainly. And like you said, Josh,
next stop is Canton for sure.

Speaker 8 (04:18):
I mean when I think of Zach Martin, I always
think of the draft party that was at at and
T Stadium.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
I was at that draft party.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Were you really?

Speaker 6 (04:26):
I was at that draft party.

Speaker 8 (04:27):
And I remember the crowd at the time our pick
was up. We were on the clock. Everyone's chanting not
Zach Martin, Johnny Football. And I was there like no, please, no,
And Zach Martin's name was announced and there was a.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
Flutter around the room.

Speaker 8 (04:47):
The room, being at and T Stadium was like who's that?
But ended up being one of the greatest Dallas Cowboys
ever of all time. I will never forget that moment
when we drafted him, feeling confident about like, Okay, we
like what we have here. Let's build behind a great
quarterback that we already have and protect him. To me,

(05:08):
the legacy of Zach Martin, will I mean for that
to happen before I started working here, and then for
my very first season to be the Zach Martin hold
out at camp time? You know, tis a flat circle,
at least personally for me, obviously.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
The his.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
Legacy speaks for itself, it really does.

Speaker 8 (05:26):
And seeing him out there each and every week knowing
confidently he's not going to get a holding call and
he's going to play his ass off right us.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Another ridiculous stat you drive what is the stats? So
repeat it?

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Repeat it?

Speaker 3 (05:39):
For the number of first team All pros, I outlined
that earlier seven number of accepted holding penalties throughout his
what was it eleven year seven, the same amounts of
first team not just all pros. He actually had more
All Pro nods than he did except hold hold penalties,

(06:00):
but first team All Pro nons He had the exact
same number.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Seven.

Speaker 8 (06:05):
Insane and his legacy speaks for itself. Like I said,
next up Ken obviously, but it is interesting to see
how the offensive line is going to change now with
the with Zach Martin moving on.

Speaker 9 (06:19):
I think that this most recent year was a transition
piece for them, and I think, you know, how he's
going out is obviously not the way that he wants
to go out, but honestly, I think it's more beneficial
for the Cowboys organization. But in terms of what he's
been to this organization, you guys have already hit on it,
and you guys already touched on everything. He's an amazing
human being, first and foremost great family man. You know
what he did on the field, what he did for

(06:40):
his teammates, and what he did for this offensive line.
For all these years, you always knew that you have
one solid piece that you never had to worry about.
And whenever you can have somebody on your team that
you don't have to be concerned about whether or not
they're going to come prepared, whether or not they're going
to come with their right mindset, and whether they are
going to deliver in terms of performance, is that you know,

(07:01):
he is that guy. He has been that guy for
the Dallas Cowboys and he will get rewarded for that.
And to ensure that everybody going forward, forever and ever
will always remember who he was in the league standard.

Speaker 8 (07:13):
I'll just say I'll be the first to say, you know,
you're welcome on Talking Cowboys whenever you're ready to be
an official host.

Speaker 7 (07:19):
Of Bigger Cheer, A bigger cheer A large human that's
this chair can fit.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Nate Newton.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
First first dips on on Zach Martin.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, we called it. He's gonna be there's gonna be
an extra mind right here if he wants it. I
don't see Zach as that type of personality. What do
you mean, He's not Jason Kelsey's.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
He would.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I think it's more likely he would go into coaching
than it would be broadcasting, and I don't think either
one of them is possible.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I think he's gonna just family, hang family, family, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I think which is I think the testament to who
he is as a person and what he's done throughout
his career to kind of earn that that point. So yeah,
whatever he ends up doing next, h we certainly wish
him the best. And I think there's going to be
an official announcement at some point because all of this
is reports and that he had told the team, and
that was kind of the initial stuff. There will be
an official announcement. And another thing to keep in mind,

(08:12):
there will be a cut because his contract is still there.
And even though he's a what is it an exclusive
rights free agent or one of those, he's got void years.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
He's got a void year.

Speaker 9 (08:24):
How does that work in regards to the cap? Do
you guys know when somebody retires, what does that do
to their contract? Because it's not like just cutting somebody.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Right, the rest of that guaranteed money is on your cap.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
And spread out over those foid years.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
I believe it would save you actually cap space because
it's treated like a pro rate. Yeah, so you don't
take the entire the entirety of the remaining hit as
a one time so amateurize, right exactly, So.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Over time, Like like you said, there's but there will
be a cut first off, So don't be alarmed whenever
it says like it pops up and there's a bleacher.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Don't do it though, I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Uh, there's a bleacher report not notification that Cowboys showed
ten time pro bowler, I mean and seven times first
the door.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Somebody's gonna do it. Don't click on it.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's stupid. Don't click.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, shut like it, just don't.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Don't les procedural procedure part of it.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
So with that being said, and Isaiah, you kind of
alluded to this earlier, what's.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Next for the Cowboys offensive line?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Where do you go?

Speaker 10 (09:23):
Pa?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Here? I mean, I think we've been hearing some murmurs.

Speaker 9 (09:25):
You know, don't know anything until obviously these guys start
stepping on the field for OTAs and the draft is
done and free agency kind of goes through. I don't
think you have a full understanding. But in regards to
who we currently have on this roster, it's sounding like, yeah,
I says, sounding like, sounding like, sounding like they like
Hoffman potentially at the center position, and they're planning on

(09:45):
moving Cooper b B to the right guard position. That's
what I'm hearing again, it's all rumors. We don't know
until they step on the field and we see us
a ball snapped. But if they were to do that,
that makes sense because they were trying to teach Cooper
b B to play center and that's not his natural position.
Now obviously there's a void that was not there originally.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
If Zach Martin it wasn't in the car.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
It wasn't there before.

Speaker 9 (10:08):
So now if he does walk away from the game
of football, now there's a large See what I did there,
There's a large void there at the right guard position.
So I can move now Cooper BB to his more
natural position, and I could put the Brahma bull with
his hand on the bar replay.

Speaker 7 (10:26):
So I'll read to you guys, because Stephen Jones and
Tommy Yarsh is in Indie right now. He beat us
by a couple of days. He's doing sensational work. He
spoke with Stephen Jones and Stephen Jones.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah man.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
Stephen Jones basically echoed a sentiment that Connor Riley told
us in availability early last week. This is a quote
from Connor Riley, which if you don't remember, he is
now the former offensive coordinator and offensive line coach of
one Kansas State University. Which is what did Cooper BB? Yeah,
there you go, Manhattan, and we ain't talking about New York.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, little apple, right, the little one right, And I quote.

Speaker 7 (11:03):
I think one of the best things about Cooper BB
is his versatility. He was a two time All American
at guard for Kansas State, started some games at tackle
and right guard dot dot dot. He gives us an
opportunity to find the best fit for everybody up front.
End quote, this is Connor Riley, your new offensive line coach,
previously an offensive line coach for Cooper BB, basically letting

(11:26):
you know that they're going into the OTAs and mini
camp and training camp looking for the best five up front.
So as we have this conversation, Cooper BB is still
the center, but it does sound like to your point, Isaiah,
that could change.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
It's a very fluid situation.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
You might see brock Hoffman go over the center, but
it's also contingent upon what does or does not happen
in free agency, what does does not happen with the
NFL draft. But you love to hear this from Connor Riley,
heard it from Clayton Adams. You're hearing it echoed by
Stephen Jones. Cowboys are no longer going into this situation saying, well,
you know, no matter what, he's going to be here,

(12:01):
he's going to be here. I think the only places
I'll say plural, we had three places. No, Ter Steele
is at right tackle, yep, we know, Tyler Smith is
at left guard and I'll go ahead and say Tyler
Guidon is left tackle because Tyler Smith is right guard.
So as far as center versus right guard is concerned,
I think it's going to be a battle in Connor

(12:21):
Riley and Clayton Adams. They're going to figure out what
the best front five looks like.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I mean, I love what fans have been warning for
so long.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
Sure, well, I alluded to the question last week, and honestly,
it wasn't because of the Zach Martin, the lingering Zach
Martin future that was not in the cards for me.
I was genuinely curious before Zach Martin is not going
to be here? Yeah, does twelve sound like a or
does offensive line sound like a pick?

Speaker 6 (12:48):
They would make it twelve. This is before all of
this happened.

Speaker 8 (12:51):
And now I'm like, okay, well, this kind of seems
like that is a clear indication to me that it's
a spot you look at.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I think if the right player is there at twelve,
they'll take him there. But I don't know if there's
that right player in this draft. If any other draft
across the board, I think I would say Dallas in
this same scenario because I completely agree with you. I
think in this scenario, you would say, let's build for
the future. Let's build around Guid and let's build around Smith,

(13:20):
Let's build around bb and we'll have four guys up
front that we are very confident in, and then we'll
figure out.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
The fitth spot.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
I guess Terren Steele would probably be that odd man
out there in terms of value draft picks and value
of youth moving forward. Whereas this year, I'm looking at
this offensive line class, and we've talked about this a
couple times on the Draft Show. There's just something that's
not clicking for every one of these top offensive lineman.
Now there's a couple of them, but those couple of

(13:48):
them probably aren't gonna make it to twelve because they
don't have any red flags on them.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
But if it's a red.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Flag from a medical or a size or a position
fit or whatever, it ends up being twelve might not
be right.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Face man, We can.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Make that if it turns out that we need Kelvin
Banks or somebody Will Campbell or some of these other
guys whoever it ends up being up front. I think
there's ten in the top ten picks of this NFL draft.
I think there's gonna be one or two offensive lineman
and you're gonna have your pick of the third or
fourth fifth best offensive lineman in this draft class. But

(14:23):
if you were to compare that to the twenty two
to twenty three, twenty four draft class, I think your third,
fourth fifth best offensive lineman in this class would probably
be more like eight, nine ten in those other classes.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
It's just this.

Speaker 7 (14:35):
I'll make mine quick and I'll throw it back to you, guys.
I wouldn't go offensive line at number twelve. I just wouldn't.
And I don't think that the Zach News changes that
for me because that's where I was standing before Rick
was expected to retire, and now that he is expected
to retire, my needle doesn't move as far as would
I go. You know, offensive line at twelve, No in

(14:55):
this situation, and Kyle lays it out perfectly. When it
comes to this class, I would be much morefortable in
a trade back situation. If your hell bent on getting
an offensive.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
I'm down for them.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
We talked about that last week.

Speaker 7 (15:05):
I think I would trade down, get more picks, and
then go oil. I wouldn't just go outright at number
twelve for oil. I'm reserving number twelve for an Ashton
Genty if he's there, or a top shelf wide receiver
if he's there, and you just know that if you
move back.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
You're going to lose that on that guy.

Speaker 7 (15:20):
But offensive line, I think that because I've seen what
brock Hoffman can be, I'm comfortable enough to kind of.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Sit tight there.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
So either it's a trade back situation or it's something
that you address in the second round.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
But I think it also lends itself to choosing the
best player available at twelve regardless, because there are positions,
There are positions in need all over the board, across
the board.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
For the Dallas Cowboys, J Stee's on YouTube says.

Speaker 8 (15:47):
Leave bb alone, put him at center. He's got a
full season at center. Man, what are we doing often
is a good backup?

Speaker 4 (15:53):
I'm kind of in that camp.

Speaker 9 (15:54):
But why speak on it, because I just think I
don't believe that a natural position for him at the
center position.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
He was better than Hoffman at center, okay, and that's
where I'm at. Okay, he was better than haff Minute,
So so then why swap is why?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
So?

Speaker 9 (16:09):
Why mess with I like Bebe's frame better for gard
I like him better at guard.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I don't. I don't know that.

Speaker 9 (16:18):
If I'm going to have a Brahma bull in this
kitchen right five office alignment, I want him at center.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I want broadcast center.

Speaker 9 (16:27):
I want I want that mentality at center because that
person touches the ball every single play. That person is
going to be the point on every single play. Versus
having that person offset to one side or the other.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's just me.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
If you're just talking about like glass eater aggressive mentality. Yes, okay,
you had that with Tyler Biadash and it didn't necessarily
work out.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
He's working out somewhere else, true, but.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
It didn't work out here.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
A question though, what was Brock Coffin's worst game last year?

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I would have to go back, I wanted to.

Speaker 8 (16:58):
I want to say it was the Philadelphia probably probably,
And you would have put him at the center against
a team like that twice a year.

Speaker 9 (17:05):
Listen, this coaching staff that we're now having place, these
guys are supposed to be jedis when it comes to
the old question would be this, and this is the
question the Cowboys would have to answer in this scenario
is the career And they had to answer this for
Tyler Smith.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
Is the career for Cooper BB. Does it have a
higher ceiling at guard than at center? Because if it's
at guard, then I'm with you putting him at guard,
and then maybe you draft your center if brought Koffman,
if you need an upgrade over.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
So it's the way you view the set, it's the
way you view that.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
If you think that his ceiling, being Cooper BB, is
higher at center, then you leave him there and you
leave brockoff in at guard.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I think that's the crux of what the argument is going.

Speaker 9 (17:46):
I'm gonna I'm gonna literally put the trust in this
on these coaches.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I'm literally in considering who we're talking about, Connor Riley
and Clayton Adams. I'm let's let them cook. Listen.

Speaker 9 (17:55):
I can have an opinion all day long, but I
think those guys have a good idea. If they're coming
in and it sounds like they're moving Cooper BB to
right guard, then I have full confidence that that's the
most advantageous position for him and the offensive line.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
So just going back to the conversation of Hoffman and
where he might fit specifically, let's just go to PFF
because we don't have the film in front of us
right now, but Pro Football focus over thirty nine pass
blocking snaps against Tampa Bay.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
That was his worst graded game.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
He gave up three pressures, he gave up one sack,
one QB hit, and two penalties in that matchup. It's
a lot one game and thirty nine snaps he gave
up basically six different things that went wrong. Now that
snap he took all sixty.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
At right guard. Took it all at right guard.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
So that goes back to your point.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
His best graded game of the year was against Cincinnati,
where he only allowed one hit one QB hit along
the way over, Let's see, it was thirty six pass
blocking snaps and those were all at center, So something
like that could play a factor.

Speaker 9 (19:02):
Yeah, Like I said, I'm looking forward to the coaching.
Like I really believe that most fans, Okay, this is
no shots fire, It's just just an observation don't put
enough emphasis on development and the coaches' roles that they're
supposed to play an organization, and for this team and
coach Settenheimer to have brought in two O line specialists,

(19:25):
two people that that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Right, your officive coordinator and now your officive line coach.

Speaker 9 (19:30):
That is their wheelhouse, like, that's where they feel most confident,
and they said they can be better than you at anything.
They're both gonna say coaching old lineman, that's awesome to
have both of those resources on one team like that. Yeah,
you might have three. I'm looking forward to seeing now
players and what we've seen, right, we can go back
and look at what they've done. And if you have
somebody like a brock Hoffman who's an absolute dog, right,

(19:53):
which is what they're at. Every coach that's spoken on
offense side of the ball has talked about the mentality.
He talked about the physicality. I'm just I'm talking about him.
I'm talking about the character of this an identity of
this offensive line going forward, violence, right, all those things right?
You want that he has that naturally or ornately has that?
Develop it now? Develop it?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Right.

Speaker 9 (20:12):
You talk about people that people are ready to write
off right now, like Terrance Still people are ready to oh,
let's move on from Terryce Steell. We know Terry still
ain't no punk, right, ter Terres still ain't no punt.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
That one thing we know.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
About him that because he was maybe initially and know
t Stilly.

Speaker 9 (20:25):
Has never been a punt he Stilley always wanted to
smoke right, always want to I.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Think back to the one game against what was it
twenty one? Was it Washington where he got he was
he was kind of off to the side and somebody
got into him off It might have been Martin, It
might have been Zach Martin that got into him. I
don't have to go back and do my research, but
I'm going back to twenty one where it was a
rookie season, just kind of getting into it, trying to
work it, or that was the second year. Then he

(20:51):
he didn't let it happen again. At that point, sometimes
you got to talk him from Sometimes, yeah, you gotta.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Learn from there and move on.

Speaker 9 (20:58):
Well, from that point, he never had any question marks
about his willingness and his dog mentality.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Develop them right.

Speaker 9 (21:05):
I'm looking forward to seeing how these guys come along,
because where they're at now is not where they're going
to be when the season starts. If these coaches are
masters at developing players, the one aspect that you can't
control is a willingness. I can't control your will to
want to get better. If you have that work ethic
will determination mentality. If you have all that, now it's

(21:27):
on me to go ahead and help that flourish.

Speaker 7 (21:31):
And now I was going to say, the question becomes,
is brock Hoffman just a stellar backup center or could
he be an actual consistent starting center, because I think
that it could go when it comes to Cooper BB.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
The beauty of Cooper BB is that he's.

Speaker 7 (21:45):
Proven himself a starting center, even in year one after
a transition, He's proven that he can get better and
better and he can be probably.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
A pro Bowl center in this league.

Speaker 7 (21:53):
But he could probably be an all pro right guard,
which would make him a definitive successor to Zach Martin.
And if that's the case, you you don't really have
to sell me on moving him the right guard.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I'm finally even.

Speaker 7 (22:04):
Him at center if that's what they choose to let
Clayton Adams and Connor Riley.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
I might have been in the plans from the from
the beginning though. If this Cooper Bebe is our third
round draft pick, we'll put them where we can use
him now and then when Martin's done, move over.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
And then you put him at right guard if that's
your plan.

Speaker 7 (22:19):
But then I look at broad coffin and I say, okay,
exclusive rights free agent this year, they're going to keep
them okay, restricted free. From my point being, his contract
is starting to right. You need to know what's going
on for the future at center. You use it an
early day two, pick very well, minor, and then there
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Speaker 6 (22:38):
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So there's there's parts of that, but be nice in there.
Let's have some fun. We appreciate you guys as always.
You know who's having fun right now. Enjoying his first
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a beast off the plane and working yesterday.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Actually he was working before he was on the plane.

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He had an interview we'll talk about this draft, uh
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He had an interview with Alfred Collins, the defensive tackle
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(27:33):
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Yeah it was.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
It was a longhorn, to be fair.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:37):
So I think it's a little bias in little a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
It's both bias and then a little bit of connection
to because I think he knew one beforehand, so they
were able to kind of through it, but it was people. Yeah,
Tommy does know people, that is true. So one of
the big things that came out of yesterday, which of
course the drills don't start until later Thursday's the first
day of drills, and.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I'll be there to morrow. Patrick, you had to do
talking cowboys in the morning, That's what okay?

Speaker 3 (28:07):
So uh, anyways, exactly skipped responsibility. Combine starts for drills
on Thursday. But the entire league is out there except
for Patrick.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
The thought process is now where this is where all
that information is coming from. And Stephen Jones was a
big thing in that information pool yesterday. What were some
of the takeaways Patrick from Stephen Jones yesterday that kind of.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Perked the ears of Cowboys Nation. Well, let's see, should
I be selectively aggressive? And yeah, selectively? All right, let's let's.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Le's not gonna be all in this off season?

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Unfortunate?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Is that going to be this freaking thing?

Speaker 7 (28:49):
Based on how does the video reacted to it? So
I'll read it, go ahead, all right, So let me
this is uh Stephen Jones yesterday he was asked about
the approach this season. This offseason and he said enough, well,
we're going to look at everything we can. We're going
to be selectively aggressive. There are there are things in
this league you can have a certain amount of resources

(29:10):
they allow you to have. We'll look at that. But
we're going to improve this team. We're going to expect
to have success next year, which is this year. And
then of course, out of that Parson parceled everyone ran
with a selectively aggressive portion of it, which is unfortunately, Kyle,
that is going to be this year's all in version
of all. But you know, Stephen Jones when he talked

(29:32):
about free agency and just how they're going to approach it, uh,
he also volunteered the thought process of a draft participal,
not draft, but potential trade. He was like trades. Yeah,
he brought that up unprovoked. So trade is going to
be a possibility for the Cowboys. What does that look like?
It does not look like Michael Parsons. Let me just
say that right now. What does that look like outside

(29:54):
of Michael Parsons?

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Jonathan Mingo, you already trade?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Oh wait, yeah, we already.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Why would you bring up that?

Speaker 7 (30:03):
Sorry, the fourth round pick is still trauma to be
like they did that huh, they did that.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
You're not even on the draft show either, geez.

Speaker 7 (30:11):
So what does that look like as far as the
potential trade getting someone in here? What assets might be
required to do that? Who are they looking at going
after an outside free agency? Will know that here. In
a couple of weeks or so, once legal tampering begins,
we'll see exactly how selectively aggressive the Cowboys are going
to be, because routinely they do not they're not players

(30:34):
in the first week of free agency. They try to
let those overpays pass and then get the tertiary rounds.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Sometimes they're not even acts. Yeah, we'll see if that.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
If that changes, we'll seeing well about.

Speaker 7 (30:47):
Dante's doing much better though they're both doing well. We'll
see if that changes. So the Cowboys are looking to
be more aggressive in free agency, be it selective or
however you want a word that they're going to talk
with Oh soo Diggi Zua his agent. That's one of
the biggest keeps. You got to figure out how to
keep Osa in the building. I don't think it's a
franchise tag situation, but I hear that transition tags not

(31:09):
off the table at eighteen million dollars.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
We'll see, but the fact that they're it is hefty.

Speaker 7 (31:14):
The fact that they're even entertaining that possibility lets me
know exactly how badly, lets me know how badly they
want to keep Agent double O nine to seven. In
the building they talked about Stephen Jones did talked about
definitely wanting to keep Jordan Lewis not breaking news. We
know that they want to keep Jordan Lewis, and they're
going to have conversations with the Marcus Lawrence's agents at
the Combine as well. So those top two defensive linemen,

(31:38):
as far as I'm the current roster, Cowboys are going
to start those talks. And Michael Parsons it sounds like
the Cowboys are as open to as he is to
trying to get a deal done sooner than later. Love
what Stephen Jones said about the difference between the Ceedy
Lamb negotiation, the Dak Prescott negotiation, and the Michael Parsons negotiation.
When you're negotiating with Dak Prescott, you were playing the market.

(31:59):
When you negotiate with Citie Lamb, you were playing the market.
You had Justin Jefferson out there. What does that look like?
When does that fall when it comes to Michael Parsons,
you you don't have that to contend with this year.
It's it's Michael Parson's world as far as that market is.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
Those leaves don't need to fall.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Come on, all in leaves falling, come on, rama can
get route. So I don't know. I doubt that it
will happen before free agency is route ear Ruth, I'm like, God,
I rute, I hate you.

Speaker 7 (32:32):
It's it's we would love for the Michael Parsons still
to happen before free agency so that cap money can
be freed up for spending.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Okay, what do you don't know that it's going to happen?
Yes or no? Is it going to happen Micah? Yes,
before free agency?

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Before free agency?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
No no no yes, Now before training camp ask me
that before, Now ask me before training camp.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
I think that's fifty to fifty.

Speaker 14 (32:55):
That's right around where you would expect it both before
before training camp. I think it would be before practices
start a training camp. I mean I could see it
as I could see it as like a Trayvon thing
where like they get out to Oxnard and then they
sign it, like when they get their same kind of
thing where it was like very.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
Start legal tampering. It is March tenth, then March fourteenth
is going to be sie fifteenth, fifteenth?

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Will it?

Speaker 9 (33:21):
Will Michael Parsons get his new contract before March fifteenth?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes? No? No? Yes?

Speaker 4 (33:26):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
I would like to say yes? But are you do
you know what? Okay?

Speaker 9 (33:35):
Yes, They're going to be selectively be aggressive and signed
Michael Parsons before so that they know what they're dealing
with and what they can't can't go get.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
I think they'll pull the other triggers that by them
time they'll pull the deck trigger restructure, they will pull
the CD trigger restructure to go ahead and get the
money on the books right then, which then allows them
the time to maybe go to O t A's early
summer negotiating this deal.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Because this be accomplished, I think they I think I
think it happened.

Speaker 9 (33:59):
I don't feel great about it, but there's a number
of reasons why I believe that they It's advantageous for
the Cowboys to pull that trigger. Obviously, well not even
just the salary cap right obviously, understanding what money they're
going to have to play with going into free agency.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
There's a lot of big time free agents. There's a
lot of iraids for that.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Because it sets the table.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Absolutely, it allows you to do that.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Do I think it's going to happen?

Speaker 9 (34:22):
Understood, But they also want him to be here for OTAs.
They also want him to be here for voluntary workouts,
all those.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Things you need, you want.

Speaker 9 (34:30):
I don't want to say you have to, but you
would like to incentivize him to get there and put
him in a position.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Go ahead, I got.

Speaker 6 (34:35):
A bar real quick.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (34:36):
Not only does it set the table, but it actually
gives you more food to invite more people. Yes, you
know what I'm saying. So yes, I think the quicker
you're able to get it done. Obviously you're going to
have you need folks to come in, free agents to
come in before training camp. We don't need to do
this whole rigamarole again.

Speaker 9 (34:53):
Or if you have a brand new coach, you have
a the last thing you want to be dealing with
is his contract. Of the contract of the you know,
arguably the most dominant player at that position.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
The other guy is up for trades.

Speaker 9 (35:04):
Right, So you started talking about why do we want
to start this offseason.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Do we want to start this off season with contract talks?

Speaker 9 (35:11):
No, I don't want to start this season with contract talks.
Do I want to start this off season not knowing
how much money I have to go get be selectively aggressive?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
No?

Speaker 9 (35:19):
Do I want to start this off season not knowing
what our salary cap position is going to be. No,
these are all things that you can literally nix. You're
in control of your environment that you're creating for this
new coaching staff. Set them up, set this organization up
for success by knocking it out. You already said you're
not competing, You're not waiting on nobody. You're you are
in negotiations with that person individual. There's not waiting on

(35:42):
nobody else to set the market, go make it happen.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
He's already told you, and he's made it public that
he is willing to take less to make sure that
this deal gets done and that there are more people
that can come to the table and eat.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
So I love the way you put it.

Speaker 7 (35:54):
You're competing against yourself right now, which should make for
much easier and more efficient.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
It should grease the wheels, right So there's.

Speaker 9 (36:01):
No reason to wait at this I guess what I'm
getting at Isak.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Well, there's no reason why you would wait.

Speaker 9 (36:08):
There's no beneficial reason as to why you would wait
to get Michael Parsons.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
Do we have all things to be aggressive about? Select this?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Please?

Speaker 7 (36:15):
We've seen DeMarcus Lawrence Dak Prescott on multiple occasions held
DeMarcus loans and multiplications, and now CD Lamb on his
first occasion of a second contract negotiation where it was
always reactive, reactive, reactive, But then we saw them break
rank and get proactive with a guy like Trayvon Diggs.
Pull a Trayvon Diggs this time, break your usual and

(36:36):
make this happen fast.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Since we're setting the table and since we're since we're
serving some food for free agency, it's time to break bread.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Everybody, let's go, let's start.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Let's start breaking bread and breaking down the bread so
that way we can dish it out to Micah Parsons
and everywhere else across the board. All right, when we
come back, I want to hear about Isaiah's combine experience.

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The former player in.

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The room has a very interesting thought process when it
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To Talking Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Welcome back to Talking Cowboys.

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This segment is brought to you by in visil Line,
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Speaker 4 (39:41):
His name is I didn't want to stand back?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Oh oh yeah, sorry, did neither did I? Uh?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Super Bowl Champion, Emmy Award Winner Isaiah Standback. Some would
say he's pretty intelligent when.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
It comes to the game of football.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Times but you, uh, We've got something for you. When
did you go to the combine? Two thousand and seven,
So the seven NFL combines, we're almost twenty years away
from that. You guys have like a class reunion coming
up around.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
That's a long time ago. Where are they now?

Speaker 3 (40:12):
So two thousand and seven Isaiah's in Indianapolis.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
He's hanging out. He's doing a bunch of things.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
He's a lot of interviews, a lot of interviews, a
lot of medical checkups as well that you've talked about
extensively on this program before.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
A lot of tests, a lot of tests.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Including one that's an IQ test. It's called the wonder Lick.
If you've never heard of it before. It's a test
that most teams. It's pretty standard across.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
The base of the league.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
It's given to these players, these draft prospects and then
handed out to each of the teams, and the scouts
then use it to kind of see where the general
cognitive ability is for these players in math, vocabulary, and
then reasoning. So they've got a couple different categories here.
It was used by the Navy during World War Two
to determine candidates for pilot training and navigation, and now

(40:59):
it's you used to determine who's good at football. So
some of the highest wonder Lake scores in NFL history,
how about pack Mick Mickinally it was this guy, the
pat that I'm talking about as a punter. Kevin Curtis

(41:20):
was one of the highest wide receivers he got a
forty eight. It's on a scale of fifty. By the way,
forgive me if I'm wrong. Byron Jones, did he not score?
Ryan Fitzpatrick quarterback was a forty eight the lead, bud,
Come on, man, varying the lead. What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Go to well to the very bottom, the very.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Bottom air force. That's sure average score. Oh yeah, I
was getting there, he said Patrick.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Uh So.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
The lowest score was actually a former Cowboys draft pick,
Morris Claiborne, got a four.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
And there's even an asterisk on there like it's it
could be.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
He explained why.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
He was later diagnosed with a learning disability, so that
that plays a factor into it. But there's some other
ones on there that were Darren Davis, Oscar Davenport, Frank Gore,
Vince Young. These are all guys that scored under a
six in that. So we for the first time are
going to divulge Isaiah Stamback wonder Licks scoring. He's never

(42:18):
heard the number, he doesn't know what it is, and
we're going to try.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
And rank it against some of the others.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
We're gonna see if it's above or below the average
Wonderlick score from some of these other individuals, both by
position and then by normal everyday job titles. So we've
got like engineer and cashier, bank teller, nurse, some of
these different things along the way. Beamer, Yes, sir, you
have the one bullet.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
And it is a twenty three right in the middle.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
You were wonderfully average.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Wow average, all right? Average for a quarterback?

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Me okay, so bady okay.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
So who's the average score by a quarterback is twenty six,
So you're three points below the average. But you played
a lot of wide receivers, saying, so you played wide out.
The average twenty for a wide out, so you're three
points above the average receiver.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
How about right, let's compare you.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
What can he do in life?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Life?

Speaker 4 (43:27):
You are an electrician.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
None wrong with that, wrong, nothing wrong with that's money
right there.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
That's a solid job.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
That's a really good a dispatcher, like a like a
police and EMT dispatcher.

Speaker 7 (43:40):
And good under stress like you're just after those guys
on those solar panels, see that right there.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, Yeah, you're just a tad underqualified to be a secretary.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
Could have been charger money.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
The librarian was twenty seven seven.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Librarian they read a lot part of it.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
It was a okay, you're also even with nurse, you
could probably be a nurse.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Twenty three is the average score from a nurse.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Some of the ones that are below all the time
bank teller, cashier, firefighter, mechanist, those are all below you. Firefighters, Yeah,
above you are teacher, reporter, yeah, executive accountant, programmer. And
then the highest at least that's on this list is

(44:30):
like a systems analyst, and that's a thirty two. So
that's that's like the highest everyday person they score.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I'm glad that I'm average twenty three.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
The source text me. He goes, he must have been cheating.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
He got a twenty selected average.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Bro, I don't even remember those tests.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
You don't remember like any of your questions or anything
you remember like taking them.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I do. What was the process, Like, oh, bro, I
don't remember that specific one. I mean we did a
lot of brain analyzation. Uh.

Speaker 9 (45:04):
They tested us on everything. It felt like you were
doing SAT times ten. It was just it was one
of those things where you were going through it. You're
like like for what, like why right? You know what
I'm saying, Like like you don't remember, which is why
you don't remember taking it again because I'm not a
test taker at that I mean, I stressed out about tests,
so like I even got a twenty three.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah, I mean that whole process was weird. I mean
you that leading up.

Speaker 9 (45:24):
To the actual physical aspect of the combine that's at
the end of your week.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, like everything else is really a blur. It really is.

Speaker 9 (45:32):
Like all the test taking, it was a lot, man,
It's a lot of stuff that you had to do.
The medical for me at that point in time was
really where my mind and emphasis was at because I
couldn't do a lot of the physical stuff. I was
coming off of surgery that to remove screws out of
my foot, so by uh doctor's orders, I wasn't supposed
to do any physical activity.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I was literally still my foot was still swollen.

Speaker 9 (45:54):
So getting you know, poked and prodded on by doctors
and you know, imagine being in the middle of all
room at a hotel and you know, they have a
table and literally all the doctors they come out. You
walk out there and they announce your name and like
all right, Isaiah stand bag you know, boom boom quarterback.
You know, University of Washington and all right, have Adam
and literally all these doctors get up from their tables

(46:14):
and they walk out there and they all start like
poking and grabbing on you and any injury that showed
up on your on your list. They're literally trying to,
you know, get you to show pain. Does this hurt?
Does this hurt?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
No? Does this bother you? And I'm like, I just
got out of.

Speaker 9 (46:26):
Surgery, bro bro it all hurts, But like you can't
show that, right, So, like you're trying not to show
any sign of weakness while they're analyzing you, because anything
can hurt you if you WinCE, if you blink, if
you like anything, right, like, they're gonna get you for it.
So that portion sucked standing out there, you know, in
your toonies, in front of a bunch of people with clipboards.

(46:48):
You know, it's sitting in bleachers that doesn't not necessarily
the most comfortable thing in the world, sitting in the
pod little pod you know for body fat analysis, putting
a little scoop of scoopa hat on. There's a lot
of things like that, but a lot of the conversations
that you have behind the scenes that that was the
stuff that you remember, you know the jokes, and you
know youre trying to make fun of the situation. It's
a high stress situation that you really have no control over.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
If you have any friends that you still like talk
to from combine times, I know what happens.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
It's like a it's like a weekend at camp.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
Right, the people you were hanging out with.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
Yeah, I mean we I mean I was in the
quarterbacks room for the most part, right, So, I mean
we had myself, John Beck, Troy Smith, Brady Quinn in
no way wow quick.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (47:35):
So, I mean there's a lot of conversations going on,
and then you get to the physical aspect, and I
couldn't do a lot of the things that I wanted
to do because I was coming off with surgery. The
fact that I was even invited to the combine after
having played just six games of my senior series.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
It's trying to make you feel I feel like it
was twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I was frustrated because I wanted to do the forty.

Speaker 9 (47:56):
Like I had ran track and became the fastest quarterback
in the nation, so I wanted to show that and
I couldn't. Right, I would have I actually text my
track coach this morning. I was like, hey, coach, with
my one hundred time, you know what would I have
ran in the forty?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
He was like, you know, mid four threes? I said,
all right, that'd have been nice to Yeah, that had
been nice to have run. But you know, I threw.

Speaker 9 (48:15):
I wasn't supposed to against doctor's orders because I was like,
there's no way that I'm going to be on this
platform and not show something.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
So we need to dig up some old throwing footage.
I'm on it. Yeah that should be fun, but no
great experience all in all. But it's fast. It's a
fast week, man. It's in the meetings.

Speaker 9 (48:31):
I mean they try to tire you out your meetings
until over, you know, past midnight.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Depending on who you are.

Speaker 9 (48:36):
You have a lanyard that on the back of the
lanyard that has every day and then at a certain
time what you're done with all your testing for the day,
after you have dinner, it's like, Okay, you got to
meet with this team at this time, this team at
this time.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
And you're literally going room to room meeting with all.

Speaker 9 (48:49):
These teams and coaches and front office execs, and it's stressful.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Man, do you remember your bench You remember how you benched?

Speaker 9 (48:57):
Yes, I didn't hit it enough. I was frustrated. That
was a whole situation.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Would you guess over or under?

Speaker 2 (49:02):
His wonders? Oh, you know it already. What do you know?
What are you over look over under?

Speaker 4 (49:09):
The twenty three of the Wonderlick score for his bench press.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
Four forty five is right there, buddy, he said he
was frustrated.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Though, Yeah, I was very frustrated. I should hit more.
I'm still going to say over.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Another quarterback beat him though it was it was under.
It was twenty two give you, but it was close.
It was a close one. The uh beamer, you said,
another quarterback, and he's pretty mad about it.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
We talked about it this morning.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Brady Quinn twenty four?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
What Brady Quinn beat you in the bench?

Speaker 9 (49:36):
G I Joe bro That's what I literally call him.
He's a walking g I Joe figuring.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
No, I'm done, He's a walking He's a specimen.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
He's a physical specimen. For sure.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
He was damn for you in the end.

Speaker 7 (49:49):
Yes, by the way, Melvin in the chant said that
you were a beast on matten and kick return.

Speaker 14 (49:54):
Yeah, that's there's that four to three speed.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
We know and love Matt and knew, Yeah, Mad and New.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
It's funny. I did.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
I did do some research here. I got buried churches.

Speaker 16 (50:04):
If you guys want any of the wonder lick, I
don't have his wonderleg score. I do have forty time though.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, what was it?

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Four sixty nine?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (50:12):
He was nineteen reps on the bench, nineteen on Bitch Baby,
thirty six vert and ten to one broad she waited
sleek two, twenty two lean.

Speaker 9 (50:23):
I mean, hey, listen, anything over fifteen on bench presses.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Yeah, no, that's legit.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
That's legit.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
So what Josh does on a regular basis, bro, that's legit.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
I told him I was like four forty five, do
like four of them?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Four solid? After it? I like it?

Speaker 16 (50:38):
All right?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
We got it.

Speaker 9 (50:39):
Larry Elliott I had one hundred and was it like
seventy three or someone crazy like times twelve?

Speaker 7 (50:45):
Larry Allen? I mean did he hit on bench at
one point? His doing it with one hand because he
was like, what am I even here for?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (50:50):
Actually, we talked about this with Chris Hall the other
day and he said his his combine wasn't great because
he was coming off a peck injury, I believe.

Speaker 6 (50:59):
So it was that great.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
No, I'm talking about the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
The Pro Bowl he like shattered it.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
It was like forty three times. Yeah, insentive, stupid.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
All right, that does it for us here on Talking Cowboys,
Hope you had some fun. We'll be back. We're gonna
break down what happens in the drills on the combine.
Does it affect how the Cowboys are gonna draft? At
twelve and there after that? Uh Isaiah's WONDERLA scores at
twenty three is interested twenty two his forty was a
four six nine.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
No no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
What is that insulting to say that?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
It's about four to three? Guys?

Speaker 4 (51:31):
What are you saying here?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Don't you put that on me? What are you saying?
Very charged? He wasn't a speed guy. He was a hitter.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Stand back for Josh Rodriguez, for Patrick Nosey Walker, Chris
Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman, saying so long,
we'll see you next time.

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