August 6, 2025 • 47 mins
Isaiah Stanback, Patrik Walker, Kyle Youmans & Josh Rodriguez recap the Cowboys’ joint training camp practice with the Los Angeles Rams from Oxnard, CA with the much hyped Tommy Yarrish vs. Patrik Walker 40 yard dash competition included at the top of the show.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the
Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
This He's Talking Cowboys Training live from Dallas. Cowboys Training
came in Oxnard, California, Sea and now your hosts Isaiah Standback,
Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeomans reporting to you live.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
For those who are just now tuning in, this is
officially Talking Cowboys Race twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You're from Oxnard, California, Patrick Noci Walker, Tommy Yarrish.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
This is a bet that stemmed from who making the challenge.
It was Tommy Yarrish that made the challenge, So as
the challenger, Tommy, I would like you to tell us
why this came about.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
To be honest, I don't know. I don't remember. I
just remember I was just talking to Smack in the
office one day. I never imagined it would amount to
anything remotely close to this.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Okay, I believe the term was any time anywhere.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Right back, it was the term anytime anywhere. And as
much as he's down plane the wardrobe. Keeping in mind,
this is the same young man who sat across from
me at the office and said he could smoke me
in some horror bottoms.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Any last words?
Speaker 6 (01:22):
What what what advice do you have for your competitor,
mister noci over here?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Oh, I just don't want anybody to blow a handstring.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
There's been a lot of trash talk. There's been a
lot of back and forth. But Isaiah, standback, we're finally
getting to settle it today.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know we're here. The time is now. I mean,
why would you wait?
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I mean we have somebody in looks like mister Freeze
on the left, and then we have somebody's somebody's second
uncle on the right. I mean, we're gonna see Zachi
was the best outfit. But I'm really excited about this, Kyle.
There's been a lot OF's a lot of smack talking
going back and forth over some time, but the moment
is here.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
All right, here we go here, it is on to
a great start.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Packets got up, can get to it. It's a photo
finish goodness.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That was tight.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Patrick had that thing done.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It was over come over here fell us now about.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Midway through, about seventeen yards into the race, it looked
like you had a little little hitching your video, sir,
how would you tell us what happened there.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Ah, yeah, hitching a kidio has kind of always been
my thing. Uh, I was expecting that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But you know we finished strong, right, It's not about
how you start us how you finished Patrick.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
What was what went into that decision?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Was it just did he get in her head with
the taunting, with the trash talk?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
What happened?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
It was just me having fun, man, because I mean,
if I look back and there's a whole football field
between me and Michael, why not have some fun.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
It's a wonderful Wednesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by
a Black Rifle Coffee Company here from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And the field behind us is not only home to.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Training camp in twenty twenty five, but it was home
to the Race of the Century trick No see.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
Walker spitting his way you had it won, spun your
way to a photo will reveal the champion of that
momentarily who actually won via.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Photo review photo review, But alongside Isaiah stand Back, Patrick Walker,
Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam in the front, I'm Kyle Yeoman.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That was a ton of fun.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Best podcast going not a Combetario shouts out to Tommy
yash and for those that forget, you know, Tommy called
me out and you know I.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Warned him time and again.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
And for those that were like, oh no, Sea staling.
Sometimes you try to save a friend for themselves, you
know what, but they just don't listen.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
In addition to you and Tommy and the rest of
the you know, the the Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Squad shout out to the entire Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Amazing playing a role and this is like Jason, just the.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Fans don't see like you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
That was that started off as just talking and then
it turned into her about to go to lunch.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
When we come back from lunch, we're gonna do this race.
And then by the.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Time Kyle came back, we had our entire video production
crew have heard about the race, heard about it through
they started grabbing the equipment, microphones, video. One person was like,
you know, I'm going up to in the in the booth. Yeah,
get the good bear in the towel. And then and
then and was like I want to go do it.
I want to go follow along the side, put the
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dog on, whatever you want to call them them.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And we had the loan Shine from out listen, total production.
I loved it. This is a team effort.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Love everything about the Dallas Cowboys organization and our media team.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It was just so much fun.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Man.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
And then the fact icing on the cake, Cali omens
Isaiah stand back, treating it as if it's training camp
live right.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
The old broadcast producce.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Intro, the introductory interviews during the race analysis just sensation.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
I am for taking the time to stretch. You took
the time About forty minutes before the race. I saw
no c walking to gym. I said that man's not
playing around.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I don't play around. He's here to win. What you
call it track mode, track mode, track mode.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
You gotta swipt, stretch the gluts, the hams, the quads,
the achilles, the calves.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Like you need all you need that little half good limber.
Speaker 9 (05:18):
Meanwhile, I saw Tommy finish up a hot dog.
Speaker 10 (05:20):
I just need my fuel for the day, like a
like a yeah, like copet you need that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
His lack of preparation contributed to his law.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
You know, I think is uh challenging me in the
first place contributed to it. So but shouts out to
Tommy again, I see you top tapping in on the
on the comments. He's over there in the ten he's
watching this whole thing. But seriously, Tommy and I as
a brother of mine, that was fun. But hey, I
did warn you t why I said, don't do it.
Don't do it, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Reconsider read some liv read some liter on this subject.
You sure, Okay?
Speaker 5 (05:59):
So but no, that was one and I you know,
two turnarounds during the race was because once we got
to what the fifteen yard line.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Listen, I was like.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
All right, I was concerned a second turn when he
hit the zero button, he hit the circle, but I
was highly concerned.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I was like, I want to say.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I needed cleats for the for the turn, right, I
needed cleats for the turred you know what I mean,
So that that's my center field of turn.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
But you need to cleats for that hard and do
that in running shoes.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
All those that are out there talking Cowboys Nation in
the chat right now, I need you guys, now that
you guys have seen the footage.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I know a lot of you all listen, go watch
the footage.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
And after you've seen the footage, we need you to
comment in the in the comment section, can you take
down no Sea in the fourties.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Wow, need you guys playing comments?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Some of these phenomenal. Some of these are unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
I mean the no C had that before it even started.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Back Slow.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I tried to both hell slow, that's want you to
come here?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You raised.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
The guy in front of our building at work one time.
Love that his name had his hashtag no Sea racer.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Uh, he shouts out to forty seven hundred anybody that's
down to say, you.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Know what, or lunch or let's wake, let's let's step outside.
I love that it's competitive nature, let's go intensity.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
I have reviewed the tapes, all angles that were possible.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I will say the person who.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Crossed the finish line first was Tommy Yarrish. He got
you by.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
A shoulder blade because because you got to look at
where the chest is where they cross, and Tommy.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Had you just barely had he not? His speed question
is done.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
But if he didn't circle button, how much it would
he have won by? By? Maybe fifteen?
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah, you could have driven a truck through the gap
if I stay at top gear, if I stay at
the top.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
That side angle, he was seven yards ahead when he
was pulling. What was Tommy pulling? So I'm mentioning pulling
because he little he was pulling.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
A slide trailer.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It was something you gotta unhook the trailer.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That's crazy. Rams were in town.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Conversations off of that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
We're gonna hit the defense in the second segment.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
We're gonna go with offense first here and kind of
outline what we saw from the Cowboys offensive attack.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Josh, I'll start with you. I mean, for the most part,
it was.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
A back and forth on that field, the field that
was closer to the fans with the Rescott and Company
gets a really talented front seven Jared Verse leading the
way for the Rams. What were your thoughts with with
how the offense performed.
Speaker 10 (08:42):
On Well, it was exactly what I was afraid of
going in. I think the offensive line being beat up
a little bit. I mean, granted, you don't have Tyler
Guidon in there, and granted he wasn't necessarily going to
be your be all end all best left tackle position
possible are left tackle possible, But I mean I'm thinking
going into this, they're going to be aggressive. And last
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year we saw the same thing where our offensive line
was pushed around quite a bit, and I was.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
Like, please, just don't be a replication of that, and unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
It felt like that. It felt like there was just.
Speaker 10 (09:13):
More power on their defensive line versus our offensive line,
and the run game was not going anywhere. I think
Joantae Williams had maybe a few carries that were in
the positive yardists but for the most part, we had
a lot of running backs getting tackled in the backfield,
tackled in quotations there, and you saw the offense start
to click when they were going to the outside, when
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they're going to CD, when they were going to George Pickens,
and then you saw Turp start to get open, So
Turps start to get to play. I love seeing Turp
get involved in the offense more. I really don't want
to see the jump catch much from him anymore, but
that's just one of those things that he has to
work through. What is indicative to me the most, though,
is that the offense needs to run.
Speaker 9 (09:54):
Through the wide receivers to get going.
Speaker 10 (09:57):
And you saw Jake Ferguson and you saw Luke scoon
Maker getting chippy out there, like you love to see
the aggression the.
Speaker 9 (10:05):
Attitude that we're trying to portray. At least for me,
it was tough to.
Speaker 10 (10:10):
See the running game not get going, and I hope
that's not what we rely on. We need to kind
of focus on the pass and get that open to
therefore open the running lanes.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
And I agree with Josh and looking at the offense,
which is what I focused on yesterday, because I wanted
to see a lot of different things. I wanted to
see how the chemistry of Dak and George Pickens translates
to an actual opponent on the field, but primarily I
wanted to see if this running game could get going,
and it could not. So the same primary, one of
the same primary concerns that the Cowboys had coming off
of the twenty twenty four season, inability to consistently, you know,
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bully guys and be physical enough upfront to move that line.
They suffered that against the in the scrimmage yesterday. Now, granted,
this is not this is not a group of Jags
on the defensive line, in the defensive front, whether it
be the defensive line or the linebackers. The Rams have
some some dudes. They got some dudes right from point
of the Jared and the list goes on. But that's
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the level of competition that you need to be gauging
yourself upon because guess what, the Philadelphia Eagles got some dudes,
Washington Commander's got some Duke.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Johns got more loaded exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
So yeah, so a little a little disconcerting to see that,
you know, the Cowboys offensive line wasn't able to get
as much pushed. Now, I will give a little bit
of grace. I said this yesterday to the fact that
they have two backups on the left side, left center,
so they had brock Hoffman taking primarily the snaps at
left guard in place.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Of Tyler Smith. Yeah, a little bit zone.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
And then of course you had Nate Thomas and you
have to backup tackle situation with Tyler.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Got you out, and unfortunately that's Jared versus side. So
things were.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Challenging with the run game. We'll see if it improves.
So yeah, that that's a huge red flag. But I
will say to Josh's point, impressed with this passing attack.
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But we're back.
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We're onside Patrick, Isaiah, Josh, I'm Kyle. We've already gone
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We only have one more to take.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
So, Patrick, you were making a point on the Cowboys
joint practice with the Rams. I want I want you
to restart to point for who either maybe joining us
or didn't get a chance to hear.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Quick quick synopsis of what I was saying is that unfortunately,
the improvement in the running game that I was looking
for has not arrived just yet.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Now that's a scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Still have three preseason games to go and then of
course games begin. But I would like to see the
Cowboys able to get push up front. That's something that
they were not able to do with the offensive line.
Isaiah talked about it at nauseum over to twenty twenty
four season. We were talking about a combination of the
running back struggling but also the offensive line. Now you
have a rebuilt offensive line, but I'm giving them some
grace on the left side with backups brought Kaufman Tylers Smith.
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They gets some reps as he tries to work himself
back from an injury.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That's of no major concern. But then you saw Nate Thomas.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
He had a couple of good reps against Jarrett Vers,
So kudos to Nate Thomas for that. But for the
most part, the run game was non existent until the
passing attack. Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb, especially Jake Ferguson,
Cavante Turpin, George Pickens got into the mix. The list
went on and on. That passing attack looked as if
it could do whatever it wanted to do whenever it
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wanted to do that. So yesterday's scrimmage was kind of
a microcosm of if you can't set up the pass
with the.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Run, set up the run with the pass.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
But the fact that the Cowboys have the ability to
do that is at least promising. Roll Kyle, I spent
about seventy percent of my time with the Dallas Cowboys
defense versus the Rams off. This is what I want
to hear because I was on the North So yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Understand, I'm I'm prefacing this, okays.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
The reason why I spent seven yes I know because
seventy percent of the time I was spin over with
the defense because I had a good idea of what
it was gonna look like for.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Our offense versus the Rams defense. I was I had
a what was that? What did it? I going in?
Going into it, people were asking me, how's everything looking?
Speaker 6 (17:21):
I said, you don't know until you until you play
another team and the Rams run a three four. The
reality is you haven't been working against a three fourth. Also,
the reality is you had backups. In no disrespect to
those guys, but they're they're those guys are not on
the talent level of a verse and putting them forward
and some of the other guys that they have this
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is an absolutely I mean, these guys are an outfit
that went.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
To the divisional. These guys could ball.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
So I had a good idea that we were going
to have some struggles up front, just schematically, just schematically
and not even just from a personnel standpoint.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But from what I.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Did see it, it was the defensive line was kind
of collapsing.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
The holes. There wasn't many holes to run through.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
They were getting in the backfield to our quarterbacks often
more often than.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You than you would hope for. But when we had time,
let's get to the positive.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
When we had time to sit back and throw the ball,
you saw splash plays you saw. You know, it's one
thing to have time to throw the ball as a quarterback,
was another thing for your receivers to actually get open.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Receivers were getting open, and.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
When the quarterback had time, he was able to deliver
the ball accurate ball for big plays, whether it been
to CD or you know, or freaking Turf and Brooks.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You know, it didn't really matter. The guys were getting open.
So that's a positive.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Now, you just gotta get to the point where the
quarterback actually can get it there because he needs time
to actually deliver the rock.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
I think the most interesting thing I saw yesterday was
just how much the wide receivers built separation. I mean,
how many times have we sat on this show and
called for that over the last three or four years.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
More separation, more oparation, more separation. We finally got it.
We got that separation.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Then you look at what this offense did in the
offensive line against the front seven. This is a team
last year in Los Angeles that was twenty second and
running or rushing defense. They were twentieth in pass defense.
They were twenty sixth overall in total yardage allowed. They
were not a top twenty defense in the NFL. They
looked like a top five defense in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
And they have talent. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Like you said, Punaford, Braden Fist, Kobe Turner, I thought
we saw some good things from Nick Hampden yesterday from
the linebacker spot. He was wearing that number six in
blue yesterday and he had a good, good practice. And
then of course Jared Versus was the NFC Defensive Player
of the Year or defensive Rookie of the Year. I
was discouraged coming out of it because I thought the
offensive line would perform better, say the interior of that
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offensive line when formed better, not just because of the injuries,
and the injuries are going to play a factor. When
you look at the list of guys that were out yesterday,
it's significant or at least miss.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Time or was was limited yesterday.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
It's significant, but it's also practice. And it was the
first benchmark. The first benchmark did not pass.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Did not pass. They had a lot of.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Things go wrong, and it wasn't just.
Speaker 10 (20:13):
Wasn't to be fair. I mean a branch on. Im
was talking about kind of playing vanilla here in practice
and like thee yeah, yeah, they weren't going to show
a lot, but if it's one v one we lost,
and and especially in the trenches, it was.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
It was really disconcerting in that respect.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
Does that change when you're able to scheme a little
more and you know line up, you know tight ends
where Jared versus to help the Chip? Who knows, but
at this point, just power on power we lost.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Listen, I love Shoddy and anybody who has heard his
press conferences to date, go look at the energy difference
between him prior to yesterday's practice and then.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
After after yesterday's press conference. Yesterday was after you could
you can tell you can say we're run Vanilla plays
all day long.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
He was disappointed and he actually mentioned that they gave
them fits. And the reality is, when you go against
a defense that is that drastically different than the scheme
that you're used to going against, you have to be
able to scheme up against that. Your blocking assignments are different,
your protections are different. Everything about your operation offensively in
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terms of protection and or blocking on the ground game
is different.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So to expect the offense.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
To go out there and have a productive day against
a team that runs a completely different scheme and outfit
than your defense is unrealistic. They run three four primarily
stand up defensive ends. They ran to Mike Zimmer the
double a gap with the linebackers, like everything about what
they did yesterday in practice at their.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Core is completely different.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
So you can remember what it looks like on paper
when you're installing it in training.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Camp, when you're learning your one hundred and fifty plays
every other day.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
But in reality, if I haven't worked in worked the communication,
worked the logistic, you're not set up for success.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So I'm not putting a bunch of weight on the practice.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
But it's great for those guys to get that film
because you're going to face defense that run that I.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Think what you said there is important to remember is
take the film and learn from it. Take what went right,
what went wrong, and learn from it. But it's a
practice that's ultimately twenty nine days out from your first
regular season game. Yeah, there's still a long way to
go here, and it's just a practice, but it is
a benchmark. Yeah, And that's the first opportunity, purpose only
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opportunity we'll see with these ones against ones yea in
training camp. So there's a lot of weight put into
the film, but it's not the only thing that's going
to decide.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Oh my gosh, this is a two win, five win.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh I thought Patrick No. I was going to say,
not at all. You're correct.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
I mean it has to be put in the context
of while we're sitting here and we're grading it because
we have the ability to do so, in the right
to do so. Because again this is a benchmark, as
Kyle has said several times, you also put it in
the context of you're twenty nine days out. It is
a practice, right, and just kind of go from there.
So yeah, if you if you're on the grade, okay,
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I'd give the passing attack like an A maybe an
A minus.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Rushing attack was an F.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I wanted to see more from the offensive line, but again,
there were cons, there were pros, and what do you do.
You go watch the film, you build on that, and
guess what. Three days from as we have this conversation,
your second team is back on the field against those guys,
and let's see what the second team can do, because
you need to see what your depth is and that's
as important for this team, especially coming off the injuries
they had last year, as it is to see what
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the ones can do against the ones. But you also
have an opportunity now for your twos that are going
to be playing the two the threes.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Are gonna be playing in this game.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
How well can they receive coaching, how fast can they
make the corrections, because that is the defense that you're
facing our saturdays.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So this is a great learning our experience.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I heard through the grave find there was a lot
of mental errors because again, when you're when you're installing
this stuff, this stuff you see on paper, but if
you're not prepably, not repping yet on the.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Field, it's very, very difficult to go out there and
be successful.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Remember it is a new scheme on both sides of
the football too. Yeah, so it is going to be
a little bit different. Speaking of both sides of the football,
I want to get to the defensive side because there
was a lot on that field too that we've got
to break down. A lack of pressure, lots of things
that did not go right for the defense against one
of the top passing attacks in football that are incoming
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To Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Back here on Talking Cowboys This segment has brought to
you by Invisi Line, the official smile of the Dallas
Cowboys once again. Isaiah Patrick and Josh. We've got Chris
Bean in the front. I'm Kyle Yeoman's Josh. I want
you to tell me hi scale of one to ten
yesterday's practice, the defense versus the Rams offense. What's the
high ten as you are winning the Super Bowl? One
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is we should blow it all up and try again
next year.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I thinkvative, But that's the scale. That's the scale that
I want to hit.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Four conservatively a metaphor.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
I think, if you're just looking at what you saw
out there, maybe three. But uh, I think I've seen
enough in practice before this to say that, you know,
this is just a really rough day for the cornerbacks.
DeVante Adams was having his way with the secondary. It
was again another word to keep using. This this episode
is disconcerting. It just did not feel great to see
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that happening. Pua was doing this thing as well, but
you saw the the ed Dredgers sort of get back
to it that the pressure wasn't there necessarily. Jimmy Garoppolo
was throwing dimes all day long, like I think any
quarterback would have done that, not just I mean Janine
Garofolo could have thrown you know, first down.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Or two.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Nice. Nice it was.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
It was no pressure, no pressure, especially up the middle
that was rough to see. Yeah, but I think you've,
like I said, you've seen enough from your edge rushers
that you feel comfortable.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
But up the middle it was rough yesterday. So you're saying,
just so I'm clear, one is the worst case scenario.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
That I'm going. I'm gonna. I'm gonna, I'm gonna land
at a five.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
And the reason I land at a five is because
although the Cowboys didn't get the pass rush that I
wanted to see them get in the scrimmage, given the
depth and the talent and ability to have in that room,
I don't have concern there.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think that figures itself out and.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Really quickly what I saw was what I expected to see. Really,
when you talk about a cornerback, a cornerback room coming
into this camp, we have the receipts, we've set it
time and again. It was for me, the most concerning
position on the depth chart. We saw that bear out
bear itself out yesterday with Devonte Adams in that group.
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It really didn't matter if it was Stetson ben It
throwing in or uh, Jimmy Garoffalo or like you said,
Janine Garoffalo, it doesn't matter. Fact was they would get
separation on the guys. Now, of course, Treyvon Diggs, he's
not out there yet. We don't know what savone rebel
is going to be. But he's also not out there yet.
You're still trying to figure out some things. But in
assessing what was out there, not great, Bob, But I'm
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not surprised. I'm disappointed, But the expectation wasn't high in
the first place.
Speaker 9 (29:24):
Because we've been saying this about the secondary.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I can't be greatly disappointed.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
I can be disappointed in that my expectation was here,
but I had hope that I would see something energy.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Can I read this this list to you?
Speaker 7 (29:35):
This This is the cowboys that were not participating in
yesterday's joint.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Uh, let's go with Let's start with the usual suspects,
Dabarri and Overshown. He's working his way back from a
severe injury. Starter revel uh, working his way back from
a severe injury.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Potential starter, Potential starter, I don't see him be not
you too, you too, you two starter, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Now we were one.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Michael Parsons, of course, his situation kind of. I think
he's starting with Tyler Goyden. He was, he was not
out there all both sides. Uh, Miles Sanders, Douce Vaughn,
Brevin span Ford, Josh Butler, Trayvon Diggs, Justin Barron. I
mean that's the that's a loon. Carson guys. Yeah, Kayln
Carson's yeah, I forgot even Kayln Carson. Yeah, was not
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out there either.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Seat belt.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
So yeah, you're you're banged up. I mean the playing example,
those are four or five starters, and then you don't
have the ability to to pull into the reserves quite
yet because you're hoping those guys come back.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
In GB.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I was, I spent most of my time over there
because I had low expectations for our defensive backfield. I mean,
you're going against two of the premier route runners in
the league. There's not to say that you don't go
against good route runners every single day. You have ceede Land,
George Piggins. I mean, those guys are well respected obviously
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in the league. DeVante Adams is world renowned for his
route running. Like it's no matter who you ask, is
not debatable. He's one of the best route runners in
the last decade of our of the game of football.
And people argue whether or not he's lost a step.
It doesn't look like it. Poking the cool one of
the rising stars at the receiver position. Both of those
guys are really good at what they do. And then
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they have a couple other guys they got they got
to to that well they got was a Kennington, not Kennington,
what was his name, Whittington.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Former Texas Longhorn.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yeah, they got some guys. Anyways, our defensive backfield is
ravaged right now. I mean, your kyer Elims had one
heck of a camp. He's somebody that you obviously traded for.
He came into the building. He's been bawling out in
camp against our guys. But these are new concepts.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
These are new.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
New personnel groupings, new motions, new shifts, new everything. Right,
So you're facing this stuff without being prepped, without film
study on this opponent. So your reaction every time is
going to be delayed. Also, the thing that contributed to
them being hostidoed really on the back end is that
you expected a pass rush. I spent my time over
there because I had high expectations for the pass rush,
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not only because what I've seen in practice, but also
because these guys look good on paper.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
These are guys that we have high expectations for.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
This is the room that I considered to be one
of the deeper position groups on this roster, and it didn't.
It felt like all their moves just went away. It
was almost like you went to go play Mortar comeback.
You had all your moves all written out on a
piece of paper. Anybody else do that move? Yeah, absolutely,
and right before you play it, you lose the paper
and you're like, oh crap.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
That's what it looked like.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
It looked like the guys were just they forgot everything.
Donovan Azarak, who all the moves that we've seen him
doing training camp. All day, it was all bull rush.
Everything that he that we've seen and we know that
he's capable of doing. It's like it's just somebody men
in black them just neuralized her, just took it away
from him. We had zero pass rush from the outside,
We had zero pressure from the interior. Every quarterback that
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stepped up for the for the Rams had the the
prettiest pocket in the world. And when you pair that
up with their ability to run routes, the way that
these guys run routes, paired with with Sean McVay and
his concepts, that's a no winning combination. So defense had
a rough time in that regard. I felt like they
did a good job, relatively good job against the run.
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I liked what I saw for my linebackers. I think
that they're there.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
You thought the line day.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I liked the linebacker room outside.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Both one's answers. I thought, guys like the.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Linebacker room is deep. They're deep, and they're showing up.
And some of the things that I was looking for
was the discipline. Obviously you can't you're not supposed to
take guys to the ground. But I was looking for leverage.
I was looking for, you know, fittings right, are you
fitting on the outside shoulder, you know, to send guys
back in. I saw a lot of that, forcing guys
back to the interior defense. So a lot of things
that are going to show up on game days, but
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that you don't necessarily see on the practice field. So
encouraged by the linebacker group, disappointed in the defensive front,
and expectations were kind of met by the guys that
were competing at the cornerback end in safety positions.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
Would you just chalk that up to a bad day
for the defensive line, like you're saying, like they're not
instilling the moves that they've learned so far or was
it one of those things where it's like you have
a plan until you get punched in the mouth and
then you know, the offensive line for the Rams was
kind of to where you're like, I.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Feel like our guys froze. So I mean, I guess
you can chop that up to a bad day. Yeah,
you know, sometimes you're a little bit bless you, my brother.
Sometimes I think you might be a little bit too hype.
You're obviously also you're trying to it's very difficult as
a defensive lineman to temper your tempo.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You know what I'm saying. We still getting good reps.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
Like I don't want to go balls to the wall
because I don't want to push this guy over. I
don't want him to fall, but I want to win
the rep, you know what I'm saying, But I want
to give our guys a good look.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
It's very difficult. It's hard to play in between speeds
as a defensive lineman.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
It looked like yesterday the Rams were playing one speed
and Dallas was trying to play.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
I feel like holistically, the Rams were playing at a
faster pace than the entire Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Yeah, Now part of that, Josh, I like the question
you asked there, because you can also compare it to
who who had a bad day on the offensive side.
Just give me an answer there, who had a bad
day on the offensive side as a unit, not an individual?
Speaker 9 (35:11):
Oh, offensive line?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
There you go. Who had a bad day on the
defensive side? Defensive line, defensive line?
Speaker 7 (35:18):
Traditionally Dallas's defensive line has looked better against our offensive
line against the Dallas offensive line, right, because maybe the
offensive line just isn't where we thought it would be
at this point in time. And that'll be a focus
of camp from here until Saturday, and then then on
next week in Oxnard, and then when they get back
to Frisco. Because of Tuesday, the microscope is going to
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be on guys like Booker and bb and Steel and
of course the backups that are on the left n side,
as Nate Thomas really fills a hole there too. Because
of what happened Tuesday. There's going to be a microscope
now across the board.
Speaker 10 (35:52):
As there should be, as there should be. I mean,
you have to, that has to be right. We're talking
about Dak getting the get passes out, using the air
attack to set.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Up the run.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
But he can't do that if the production's not there,
if his pocket's not clean. And you don't you also
don't want Dak, as much as he's scrambling this year,
you don't want to see him do that on a
consistent basis. That's not a level of winning in terms
of here for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (36:16):
It's concerning it is.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
There's a lot of a lot of fans out there
that are, of course upset with the practice, upset with
all of that.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
But I want to I want to end today on
a positive.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
No, we got a ten minutes left who stood out,
who was playing at a at a high level in
the practice, Because I want as much criticism as we've
just given for forty minutes of that happened.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yes, I'll speak to the defense.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
I liked what I saw out of Shamar James and
Jack Sambourn. I liked that a lot. That was good
stuff from them. These guys were playing downhill, they were
playing fast, they were playing physical. There's a number of
times where they were protecting the offensive player but at
the same time give him a little And when they
came a little by pulling back and not not fully engaging,
not tackling intentionally, they were still knocking these guys down
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to the ground. So there's a lot of power behind
those linebackers. So that's what I like, that's what I saw. Uh,
I'm gonna go to the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
And this also goes to how Dak was when he
had time, how he was able to get the ball
out and make good throws.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But Ceedee Lamb, my god, man, my god.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
This time last year, you know, CD wasn't out here
in Oxtarit there was a holdout situation.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
We were talking about lack of separation, separation.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
For us to start the season. None of that exists.
None of that exists right now with Ceedee Lamb. He
is torching all comers in camp and not just teammates
on the opposite side of the ball. We saw him
having his way with the Rams defensive backs. I'm talking, dude,
the route, running the separation. I mean he putting it
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was like no C versus Tommy Yarrish out there.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
The yardage that he that he.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Was putting between himself in defensive backs, climbing the ladder
when he needed to climb the ladder. Uh, everything that
makes him arguably the top one, of the top two
or top three best wide receivers in the league is
continually on display. Rip in rep out so shouts out
to Ceadie Lamb. He looks like he's set up for
a monster possibly even another career season.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
We're we're all friends here, right, everybody. I mean, this
is this is a this is a safe space.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's a safe.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Space right all the way through.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
I want to tell a little secret about yesterday's practice.
We had Ceedee Lamb miked up. It's gonna be a
video on.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And there are a lot of Yeah, Beam was a
big part of it.
Speaker 7 (38:50):
It's Scott Purcell hooked it up. They all got it done.
It's gonna be really.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Cool talking cowboys. You guys get this and you're gonna get.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
The insider info. They can probably get it elsewhere.
Speaker 7 (38:58):
But the but I'm wanted I wanted to say that
because there were a couple of times where he was getting.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Flags thrown at him and CD was frustrated.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
I mean, there were times where he was jawing back
and forth, but he did a good job of kind
of reeling that back in and then turning in a
second half of practice that was just nasty. I mean,
he was really good on the second half of practice,
but he also was early on where he was getting
those flags thrown.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I can't wait to see how that kind of works
its way out.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
I know it's going to be an edited piece and
it may not be chronological all the way through, but
I want to see what he said to certain spots
in that practice yesterday, because I thought he showed it on.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
The field, but really quickly to that point, I think
it's key that people understand what Kyle just said about
Ceedee Lamb and his.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Demeanor in between or after and during every single play.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
He's treating these practice and scrimmage reps as if they're
in as if they're game reps. One of the biggest
knocks that a lot of the fan base had on
Ceedee Lamb over the first couple of seasons he was
in the league is that he gets when things don't
go his way, he shuts down.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, okay, well.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Things weren't going his way, and he was jawing and
he was staring down, and he was letting people know
like no, no, no, no, no, I'm not going for that.
It was the competitive dog nature showing itself in a
much different, a much more explosive way, which goes to
the maturity.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
So I just don't want anyone to gloss over that.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Point that Kyle is making, because when you tied into
the growth of CD lamb, he he is most certainly
becoming that guy.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
As if he weren't already that guy. Love it.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
I have to give a big shout out. Who's throwing
CD the ball?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Do we know it's that number four gun, number four guy? Yeah, yeah,
Rain Dakota Prescott.
Speaker 10 (40:36):
That's to see him, to see the offense struggle early
on and.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
To see and this is to piss off Willy Wonka. Well,
to see.
Speaker 10 (40:46):
Brian shouted out in the press conmerce afterwards. It's like
they were having trouble communication, like with communication.
Speaker 9 (40:51):
Throughout the entire practice.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
But I think dak Prescott saw what was going on
early in the offensive drills and was able to communicate
with his team and start airing the ball out like
he understood what was happening. It's like, Okay, this offensive
line is not holding up today in this scenario, we
need to air the ball out.
Speaker 9 (41:07):
I need enough time to air the ball out.
Speaker 10 (41:09):
I think he was doing enough there to communicate and
he was throwing dimes yesterday.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yes, he was.
Speaker 10 (41:13):
That was impressive, and he was making the right reads.
Even if there were the checkdowns, he was making the
right reads. I love to see that from dak of course,
and like you would expect that from your starting quarterback
of ten.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Years, Dakota Domes, if you will, Dakota Dakota doms.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
The last guy that had dined. No, yeah, well it
didn't really work out. So he's in Indianapolis because he
was all right to that point.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
Though, the most dominating portion of yesterday's practice for either side,
on Dallas's side was when they dominated a two minute
drill on the offensive.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yes, and who was that credit to dak It was
dak Tolbert had.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
A good good Jonathan Mingo.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Mingo was involved involved a little bit.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
I thought that portion of practice made me feel exponentially
better because it wasn't just Oh.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
They succeeded.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
They The situation.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Was they had a minute and thirty seconds with two
timeouts to get from the opposite forty to the opponent's
thirty yard line to set up a field goal, and
they like it was an end of game scenario. They
got to the thirty yard line with like forty seconds left,
so they won the drill with forty seconds left, and
I think McVeigh and Schottenheira looked at each other and said,
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I want to keep going. Let's see if they can
go down and score. So they started going. They got
down to about the nineteen and then they quit the drill.
They would have kept going and may have had a chance.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
To score because they nixed the drill with like twelve
seconds left.
Speaker 7 (42:39):
Whenever or no, they went down and spiked it with
three seconds left, so that was the end of the drill.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
But they set it up.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
It was perfect. They moved down the field methodically.
Speaker 7 (42:47):
It was on Training Camp Live, the one with Nicole
and myself, so you can go and watch the whole
sequence and me we outlined it as it went. But
they dominated that whole scenario and I liked what they
had in that spot.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
Question for you we got your right to hop off
get He was the most dominant performer for the Cowboys yesterday.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yall's opinion.
Speaker 7 (43:05):
I gave it to Turpid Speed. Yeah, I think Rbty
Turvy Spech. He had a really nice day. He was
very active.
Speaker 10 (43:14):
I love seeing Turp out there, and like I said,
he was involved in the offense in a way that
I was really hoping after he signed that contract, like
all right, Like we need to see him as a receiver,
we need to see him as running back.
Speaker 9 (43:24):
We need to see him more involved.
Speaker 10 (43:26):
It can't just be kick returned. So I love seeing that.
For me again, I'm gonna because of the two minute drill,
I have to.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Give it to DA give it and I'm going to
give it to CD just for all the reasons I've
already stated, demeanor, ability to separate athleticism and just another
elite day that he stacked out here in Kim.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
If you had to give it to somebody on defense,
it would it be if you.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Had too before.
Speaker 6 (43:48):
I can't of give it to somebody who's kind of
offense and defense. Oh, Brian Anger, he was really good.
I'm not kidding. He was not kidding. Bomb sixty punts
do y'all understand how much of an advantage that is
if you are to have the best field goal kicker
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and the best punter In this case, y'all forgot b
A was All Pro a couple of years ago. If
you have the all Pro field kicker and all Pro punter,
do you know how much of an advantage that.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Is for your team?
Speaker 6 (44:22):
The ability to kick field goals from wherever the heck
you want to on the field, score points, and ability
to flip the field. I know it's not sexy, it's
not popular, but I'm telling you, those are the minute
details that are going to set your team up for success.
If you get in a situation and you need to
pin these guys down there is.
Speaker 7 (44:38):
Can't wait for fans to be like, Yeah, joint practice MVP. Man,
that shows how good of a practice bombs. It was
really good. I like the question who would you give
it to on the.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Defensive side if you had to? If you had to?
Speaker 6 (44:53):
From what I saw, I was trying to watch a lot,
but I liked what I saw out of Shamar James.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, I liked what I saw.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
The rookie getting love, Yes, very much.
Speaker 6 (45:01):
So he's a he If you were to draw up
a linebacker, He's what they look like, you know, him
and Kenneth Murray. Those guys look like walking linebackers.
Speaker 7 (45:08):
I'd probably say I didn't get to watch your tongu
because we were on that offensive field a lot.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
From what I saw, I thought he was fine.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
There was some back and forth. I think lad In Camp,
I haven't seen the film yet.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Just delayed out the breaks and then then Bland.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
They didn't throw it. Bland a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
But I would have to say, which is why for me? Bland,
that's why. For me it'ster Ron Blaine.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
It's because his presence and his ability to cover made
them challenge other cornerbacks. So I'm going with Bland the
quiet assassin yesterday.
Speaker 10 (45:41):
Yeah, I like that yesterday. Yeah really well, he was
all over the place. Love to see it.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (45:47):
I think I'm gonna go with lel to official switch
it up. You're right, because I wouldn't even think of it.
I was thinking about the linebackers as a whole. Samborn
and James, but Leah All and Clark.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
I thought both had really good.
Speaker 10 (45:58):
And on a day that shotenh emphasizing communication, he was
a guy Camila John he was in there communicating.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
And he shout out to him for putting on some
size too. He looks more like a linebacker than last
year last week, look.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
Like a corner and yet and yet looks I don't
know if he looks quicker, if he's just reacting more
quickly because he's diagnosing plays. Whatever the case may be,
he's playing fast and.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Himself.
Speaker 7 (46:22):
So bad news is we've run out of time today.
Good news is we've got a show on Friday, episode
of Another Cowboys this week, a nine am Pacific eleven
am Central Time on Friday, because we the best and
we will lead you into preseason game number one, where
Isaiah Standback will be on the call.
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Network, Yes interesting said.
Speaker 6 (46:53):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (46:54):
All right, that's gonna do it for us. For Isaiah Patrick,
no c Walker, for Josh Rodriguez.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Chris Beam in the front.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
We'll see you on Friday.
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This He's Talking Cowboys Training live from Dallas. Cowboys Training
came in Oxnard, California, Sea and now your hosts Isaiah Standback,
Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez and Kyle.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeomans reporting to you live.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
For those who are just now tuning in, this is
officially Talking Cowboys Race twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You're from Oxnard, California, Patrick Noci Walker, Tommy Yarrish.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
This is a bet that stemmed from who making the challenge.
It was Tommy Yarrish that made the challenge, So as
the challenger, Tommy, I would like you to tell us
why this came about.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
To be honest, I don't know. I don't remember. I
just remember I was just talking to Smack in the
office one day. I never imagined it would amount to
anything remotely close to this.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Okay, I believe the term was any time anywhere.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Right back, it was the term anytime anywhere. And as
much as he's down plane the wardrobe. Keeping in mind,
this is the same young man who sat across from
me at the office and said he could smoke me
in some horror bottoms.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Any last words?
Speaker 6 (01:22):
What what what advice do you have for your competitor,
mister noci over here?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Oh, I just don't want anybody to blow a handstring.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
There's been a lot of trash talk. There's been a
lot of back and forth. But Isaiah, standback, we're finally
getting to settle it today.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know we're here. The time is now. I mean,
why would you wait?
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I mean we have somebody in looks like mister Freeze
on the left, and then we have somebody's somebody's second
uncle on the right. I mean, we're gonna see Zachi
was the best outfit. But I'm really excited about this, Kyle.
There's been a lot OF's a lot of smack talking
going back and forth over some time, but the moment
is here.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
All right, here we go here, it is on to
a great start.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Packets got up, can get to it. It's a photo
finish goodness.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That was tight.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Patrick had that thing done.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It was over come over here fell us now about.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Midway through, about seventeen yards into the race, it looked
like you had a little little hitching your video, sir,
how would you tell us what happened there.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Ah, yeah, hitching a kidio has kind of always been
my thing. Uh, I was expecting that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But you know we finished strong, right, It's not about
how you start us how you finished Patrick.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
What was what went into that decision?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Was it just did he get in her head with
the taunting, with the trash talk?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
What happened?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
It was just me having fun, man, because I mean,
if I look back and there's a whole football field
between me and Michael, why not have some fun.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
It's a wonderful Wednesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by
a Black Rifle Coffee Company here from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And the field behind us is not only home to.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Training camp in twenty twenty five, but it was home
to the Race of the Century trick No see.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
Walker spitting his way you had it won, spun your
way to a photo will reveal the champion of that
momentarily who actually won via.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Photo review photo review, But alongside Isaiah stand Back, Patrick Walker,
Josh Rodriguez, Chris Beam in the front, I'm Kyle Yeoman.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That was a ton of fun.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Best podcast going not a Combetario shouts out to Tommy
yash and for those that forget, you know, Tommy called
me out and you know I.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Warned him time and again.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
And for those that were like, oh no, Sea staling.
Sometimes you try to save a friend for themselves, you
know what, but they just don't listen.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
In addition to you and Tommy and the rest of
the you know, the the Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Squad shout out to the entire Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Amazing playing a role and this is like Jason, just the.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Fans don't see like you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
That was that started off as just talking and then
it turned into her about to go to lunch.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
When we come back from lunch, we're gonna do this race.
And then by the.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Time Kyle came back, we had our entire video production
crew have heard about the race, heard about it through
they started grabbing the equipment, microphones, video. One person was like,
you know, I'm going up to in the in the booth. Yeah,
get the good bear in the towel. And then and
then and was like I want to go do it.
I want to go follow along the side, put the
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dog on, whatever you want to call them them.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And we had the loan Shine from out listen, total production.
I loved it. This is a team effort.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Love everything about the Dallas Cowboys organization and our media team.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It was just so much fun.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Man.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
And then the fact icing on the cake, Cali omens
Isaiah stand back, treating it as if it's training camp
live right.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
The old broadcast producce.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Intro, the introductory interviews during the race analysis just sensation.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
I am for taking the time to stretch. You took
the time About forty minutes before the race. I saw
no c walking to gym. I said that man's not
playing around.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I don't play around. He's here to win. What you
call it track mode, track mode, track mode.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
You gotta swipt, stretch the gluts, the hams, the quads,
the achilles, the calves.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Like you need all you need that little half good limber.
Speaker 9 (05:18):
Meanwhile, I saw Tommy finish up a hot dog.
Speaker 10 (05:20):
I just need my fuel for the day, like a
like a yeah, like copet you need that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
His lack of preparation contributed to his law.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
You know, I think is uh challenging me in the
first place contributed to it. So but shouts out to
Tommy again, I see you top tapping in on the
on the comments. He's over there in the ten he's
watching this whole thing. But seriously, Tommy and I as
a brother of mine, that was fun. But hey, I
did warn you t why I said, don't do it.
Don't do it, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Reconsider read some liv read some liter on this subject.
You sure, Okay?
Speaker 5 (05:59):
So but no, that was one and I you know,
two turnarounds during the race was because once we got
to what the fifteen yard line.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Listen, I was like.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
All right, I was concerned a second turn when he
hit the zero button, he hit the circle, but I
was highly concerned.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I was like, I want to say.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I needed cleats for the for the turn, right, I
needed cleats for the turred you know what I mean,
So that that's my center field of turn.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
But you need to cleats for that hard and do
that in running shoes.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
All those that are out there talking Cowboys Nation in
the chat right now, I need you guys, now that
you guys have seen the footage.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I know a lot of you all listen, go watch
the footage.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
And after you've seen the footage, we need you to
comment in the in the comment section, can you take
down no Sea in the fourties.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Wow, need you guys playing comments?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Some of these phenomenal. Some of these are unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
I mean the no C had that before it even started.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Back Slow.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I tried to both hell slow, that's want you to
come here?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You raised.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
The guy in front of our building at work one time.
Love that his name had his hashtag no Sea racer.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Uh, he shouts out to forty seven hundred anybody that's
down to say, you.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Know what, or lunch or let's wake, let's let's step outside.
I love that it's competitive nature, let's go intensity.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
I have reviewed the tapes, all angles that were possible.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I will say the person who.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Crossed the finish line first was Tommy Yarrish. He got
you by.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
A shoulder blade because because you got to look at
where the chest is where they cross, and Tommy.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Had you just barely had he not? His speed question
is done.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
But if he didn't circle button, how much it would
he have won by? By? Maybe fifteen?
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah, you could have driven a truck through the gap
if I stay at top gear, if I stay at
the top.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
That side angle, he was seven yards ahead when he
was pulling. What was Tommy pulling? So I'm mentioning pulling
because he little he was pulling.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
A slide trailer.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It was something you gotta unhook the trailer.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That's crazy. Rams were in town.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Conversations off of that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
We're gonna hit the defense in the second segment.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
We're gonna go with offense first here and kind of
outline what we saw from the Cowboys offensive attack.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Josh, I'll start with you. I mean, for the most part,
it was.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
A back and forth on that field, the field that
was closer to the fans with the Rescott and Company
gets a really talented front seven Jared Verse leading the
way for the Rams. What were your thoughts with with
how the offense performed.
Speaker 10 (08:42):
On Well, it was exactly what I was afraid of
going in. I think the offensive line being beat up
a little bit. I mean, granted, you don't have Tyler
Guidon in there, and granted he wasn't necessarily going to
be your be all end all best left tackle position
possible are left tackle possible, But I mean I'm thinking
going into this, they're going to be aggressive. And last
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year we saw the same thing where our offensive line
was pushed around quite a bit, and I was.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
Like, please, just don't be a replication of that, and unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
It felt like that. It felt like there was just.
Speaker 10 (09:13):
More power on their defensive line versus our offensive line,
and the run game was not going anywhere. I think
Joantae Williams had maybe a few carries that were in
the positive yardists but for the most part, we had
a lot of running backs getting tackled in the backfield,
tackled in quotations there, and you saw the offense start
to click when they were going to the outside, when
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they're going to CD, when they were going to George Pickens,
and then you saw Turp start to get open, So
Turps start to get to play. I love seeing Turp
get involved in the offense more. I really don't want
to see the jump catch much from him anymore, but
that's just one of those things that he has to
work through. What is indicative to me the most, though,
is that the offense needs to run.
Speaker 9 (09:54):
Through the wide receivers to get going.
Speaker 10 (09:57):
And you saw Jake Ferguson and you saw Luke scoon
Maker getting chippy out there, like you love to see
the aggression the.
Speaker 9 (10:05):
Attitude that we're trying to portray. At least for me,
it was tough to.
Speaker 10 (10:10):
See the running game not get going, and I hope
that's not what we rely on. We need to kind
of focus on the pass and get that open to
therefore open the running lanes.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
And I agree with Josh and looking at the offense,
which is what I focused on yesterday, because I wanted
to see a lot of different things. I wanted to
see how the chemistry of Dak and George Pickens translates
to an actual opponent on the field, but primarily I
wanted to see if this running game could get going,
and it could not. So the same primary, one of
the same primary concerns that the Cowboys had coming off
of the twenty twenty four season, inability to consistently, you know,
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bully guys and be physical enough upfront to move that line.
They suffered that against the in the scrimmage yesterday. Now, granted,
this is not this is not a group of Jags
on the defensive line, in the defensive front, whether it
be the defensive line or the linebackers. The Rams have
some some dudes. They got some dudes right from point
of the Jared and the list goes on. But that's
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the level of competition that you need to be gauging
yourself upon because guess what, the Philadelphia Eagles got some dudes,
Washington Commander's got some Duke.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Johns got more loaded exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
So yeah, so a little a little disconcerting to see that,
you know, the Cowboys offensive line wasn't able to get
as much pushed. Now, I will give a little bit
of grace. I said this yesterday to the fact that
they have two backups on the left side, left center,
so they had brock Hoffman taking primarily the snaps at
left guard in place.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Of Tyler Smith. Yeah, a little bit zone.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
And then of course you had Nate Thomas and you
have to backup tackle situation with Tyler.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Got you out, and unfortunately that's Jared versus side. So
things were.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Challenging with the run game. We'll see if it improves.
So yeah, that that's a huge red flag. But I
will say to Josh's point, impressed with this passing attack.
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We only have one more to take.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
So, Patrick, you were making a point on the Cowboys
joint practice with the Rams. I want I want you
to restart to point for who either maybe joining us
or didn't get a chance to hear.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Quick quick synopsis of what I was saying is that unfortunately,
the improvement in the running game that I was looking
for has not arrived just yet.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Now that's a scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Still have three preseason games to go and then of
course games begin. But I would like to see the
Cowboys able to get push up front. That's something that
they were not able to do with the offensive line.
Isaiah talked about it at nauseum over to twenty twenty
four season. We were talking about a combination of the
running back struggling but also the offensive line. Now you
have a rebuilt offensive line, but I'm giving them some
grace on the left side with backups brought Kaufman Tylers Smith.
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They gets some reps as he tries to work himself
back from an injury.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That's of no major concern. But then you saw Nate Thomas.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
He had a couple of good reps against Jarrett Vers,
So kudos to Nate Thomas for that. But for the
most part, the run game was non existent until the
passing attack. Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb, especially Jake Ferguson,
Cavante Turpin, George Pickens got into the mix. The list
went on and on. That passing attack looked as if
it could do whatever it wanted to do whenever it
(16:38):
wanted to do that. So yesterday's scrimmage was kind of
a microcosm of if you can't set up the pass
with the.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Run, set up the run with the pass.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
But the fact that the Cowboys have the ability to
do that is at least promising. Roll Kyle, I spent
about seventy percent of my time with the Dallas Cowboys
defense versus the Rams off. This is what I want
to hear because I was on the North So yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Understand, I'm I'm prefacing this, okays.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
The reason why I spent seven yes I know because
seventy percent of the time I was spin over with
the defense because I had a good idea of what
it was gonna look like for.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Our offense versus the Rams defense. I was I had
a what was that? What did it? I going in?
Going into it, people were asking me, how's everything looking?
Speaker 6 (17:21):
I said, you don't know until you until you play
another team and the Rams run a three four. The
reality is you haven't been working against a three fourth. Also,
the reality is you had backups. In no disrespect to
those guys, but they're they're those guys are not on
the talent level of a verse and putting them forward
and some of the other guys that they have this
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is an absolutely I mean, these guys are an outfit
that went.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
To the divisional. These guys could ball.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
So I had a good idea that we were going
to have some struggles up front, just schematically, just schematically
and not even just from a personnel standpoint.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But from what I.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Did see it, it was the defensive line was kind
of collapsing.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
The holes. There wasn't many holes to run through.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
They were getting in the backfield to our quarterbacks often
more often than.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You than you would hope for. But when we had time,
let's get to the positive.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
When we had time to sit back and throw the ball,
you saw splash plays you saw. You know, it's one
thing to have time to throw the ball as a quarterback,
was another thing for your receivers to actually get open.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Receivers were getting open, and.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
When the quarterback had time, he was able to deliver
the ball accurate ball for big plays, whether it been
to CD or you know, or freaking Turf and Brooks.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You know, it didn't really matter. The guys were getting open.
So that's a positive.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Now, you just gotta get to the point where the
quarterback actually can get it there because he needs time
to actually deliver the rock.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
I think the most interesting thing I saw yesterday was
just how much the wide receivers built separation. I mean,
how many times have we sat on this show and
called for that over the last three or four years.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
More separation, more oparation, more separation. We finally got it.
We got that separation.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Then you look at what this offense did in the
offensive line against the front seven. This is a team
last year in Los Angeles that was twenty second and
running or rushing defense. They were twentieth in pass defense.
They were twenty sixth overall in total yardage allowed. They
were not a top twenty defense in the NFL. They
looked like a top five defense in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
And they have talent. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Like you said, Punaford, Braden Fist, Kobe Turner, I thought
we saw some good things from Nick Hampden yesterday from
the linebacker spot. He was wearing that number six in
blue yesterday and he had a good, good practice. And
then of course Jared Versus was the NFC Defensive Player
of the Year or defensive Rookie of the Year. I
was discouraged coming out of it because I thought the
offensive line would perform better, say the interior of that
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offensive line when formed better, not just because of the injuries,
and the injuries are going to play a factor. When
you look at the list of guys that were out yesterday,
it's significant or at least miss.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Time or was was limited yesterday.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
It's significant, but it's also practice. And it was the
first benchmark. The first benchmark did not pass.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Did not pass. They had a lot of.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Things go wrong, and it wasn't just.
Speaker 10 (20:13):
Wasn't to be fair. I mean a branch on. Im
was talking about kind of playing vanilla here in practice
and like thee yeah, yeah, they weren't going to show
a lot, but if it's one v one we lost,
and and especially in the trenches, it was.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
It was really disconcerting in that respect.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
Does that change when you're able to scheme a little
more and you know line up, you know tight ends
where Jared versus to help the Chip? Who knows, but
at this point, just power on power we lost.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Listen, I love Shoddy and anybody who has heard his
press conferences to date, go look at the energy difference
between him prior to yesterday's practice and then.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
After after yesterday's press conference. Yesterday was after you could
you can tell you can say we're run Vanilla plays
all day long.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
He was disappointed and he actually mentioned that they gave
them fits. And the reality is, when you go against
a defense that is that drastically different than the scheme
that you're used to going against, you have to be
able to scheme up against that. Your blocking assignments are different,
your protections are different. Everything about your operation offensively in
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terms of protection and or blocking on the ground game
is different.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So to expect the offense.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
To go out there and have a productive day against
a team that runs a completely different scheme and outfit
than your defense is unrealistic. They run three four primarily
stand up defensive ends. They ran to Mike Zimmer the
double a gap with the linebackers, like everything about what
they did yesterday in practice at their.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Core is completely different.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
So you can remember what it looks like on paper
when you're installing it in training.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Camp, when you're learning your one hundred and fifty plays
every other day.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
But in reality, if I haven't worked in worked the communication,
worked the logistic, you're not set up for success.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So I'm not putting a bunch of weight on the practice.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
But it's great for those guys to get that film
because you're going to face defense that run that I.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Think what you said there is important to remember is
take the film and learn from it. Take what went right,
what went wrong, and learn from it. But it's a
practice that's ultimately twenty nine days out from your first
regular season game. Yeah, there's still a long way to
go here, and it's just a practice, but it is
a benchmark. Yeah, And that's the first opportunity, purpose only
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opportunity we'll see with these ones against ones yea in
training camp. So there's a lot of weight put into
the film, but it's not the only thing that's going
to decide.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Oh my gosh, this is a two win, five win.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh I thought Patrick No. I was going to say,
not at all. You're correct.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
I mean it has to be put in the context
of while we're sitting here and we're grading it because
we have the ability to do so, in the right
to do so. Because again this is a benchmark, as
Kyle has said several times, you also put it in
the context of you're twenty nine days out. It is
a practice, right, and just kind of go from there.
So yeah, if you if you're on the grade, okay,
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I'd give the passing attack like an A maybe an
A minus.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Rushing attack was an F.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I wanted to see more from the offensive line, but again,
there were cons, there were pros, and what do you do.
You go watch the film, you build on that, and
guess what. Three days from as we have this conversation,
your second team is back on the field against those guys,
and let's see what the second team can do, because
you need to see what your depth is and that's
as important for this team, especially coming off the injuries
they had last year, as it is to see what
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the ones can do against the ones. But you also
have an opportunity now for your twos that are going
to be playing the two the threes.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Are gonna be playing in this game.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
How well can they receive coaching, how fast can they
make the corrections, because that is the defense that you're
facing our saturdays.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So this is a great learning our experience.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I heard through the grave find there was a lot
of mental errors because again, when you're when you're installing
this stuff, this stuff you see on paper, but if
you're not prepably, not repping yet on the.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Field, it's very, very difficult to go out there and
be successful.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Remember it is a new scheme on both sides of
the football too. Yeah, so it is going to be
a little bit different. Speaking of both sides of the football,
I want to get to the defensive side because there
was a lot on that field too that we've got
to break down. A lack of pressure, lots of things
that did not go right for the defense against one
of the top passing attacks in football that are incoming
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To Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Back here on Talking Cowboys This segment has brought to
you by Invisi Line, the official smile of the Dallas
Cowboys once again. Isaiah Patrick and Josh. We've got Chris
Bean in the front. I'm Kyle Yeoman's Josh. I want
you to tell me hi scale of one to ten
yesterday's practice, the defense versus the Rams offense. What's the
high ten as you are winning the Super Bowl? One
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is we should blow it all up and try again
next year.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I thinkvative, But that's the scale. That's the scale that
I want to hit.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Four conservatively a metaphor.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
I think, if you're just looking at what you saw
out there, maybe three. But uh, I think I've seen
enough in practice before this to say that, you know,
this is just a really rough day for the cornerbacks.
DeVante Adams was having his way with the secondary. It
was again another word to keep using. This this episode
is disconcerting. It just did not feel great to see
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that happening. Pua was doing this thing as well, but
you saw the the ed Dredgers sort of get back
to it that the pressure wasn't there necessarily. Jimmy Garoppolo
was throwing dimes all day long, like I think any
quarterback would have done that, not just I mean Janine
Garofolo could have thrown you know, first down.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Or two.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Nice. Nice it was.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
It was no pressure, no pressure, especially up the middle
that was rough to see. Yeah, but I think you've,
like I said, you've seen enough from your edge rushers
that you feel comfortable.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
But up the middle it was rough yesterday. So you're saying,
just so I'm clear, one is the worst case scenario.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
That I'm going. I'm gonna. I'm gonna, I'm gonna land
at a five.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
And the reason I land at a five is because
although the Cowboys didn't get the pass rush that I
wanted to see them get in the scrimmage, given the
depth and the talent and ability to have in that room,
I don't have concern there.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think that figures itself out and.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Really quickly what I saw was what I expected to see. Really,
when you talk about a cornerback, a cornerback room coming
into this camp, we have the receipts, we've set it
time and again. It was for me, the most concerning
position on the depth chart. We saw that bear out
bear itself out yesterday with Devonte Adams in that group.
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It really didn't matter if it was Stetson ben It
throwing in or uh, Jimmy Garoffalo or like you said,
Janine Garoffalo, it doesn't matter. Fact was they would get
separation on the guys. Now, of course, Treyvon Diggs, he's
not out there yet. We don't know what savone rebel
is going to be. But he's also not out there yet.
You're still trying to figure out some things. But in
assessing what was out there, not great, Bob, But I'm
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not surprised. I'm disappointed, But the expectation wasn't high in
the first place.
Speaker 9 (29:24):
Because we've been saying this about the secondary.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I can't be greatly disappointed.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
I can be disappointed in that my expectation was here,
but I had hope that I would see something energy.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Can I read this this list to you?
Speaker 7 (29:35):
This This is the cowboys that were not participating in
yesterday's joint.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Uh, let's go with Let's start with the usual suspects,
Dabarri and Overshown. He's working his way back from a
severe injury. Starter revel uh, working his way back from
a severe injury.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Potential starter, Potential starter, I don't see him be not
you too, you too, you two starter, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Now we were one.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Michael Parsons, of course, his situation kind of. I think
he's starting with Tyler Goyden. He was, he was not
out there all both sides. Uh, Miles Sanders, Douce Vaughn,
Brevin span Ford, Josh Butler, Trayvon Diggs, Justin Barron. I
mean that's the that's a loon. Carson guys. Yeah, Kayln
Carson's yeah, I forgot even Kayln Carson. Yeah, was not
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out there either.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Seat belt.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
So yeah, you're you're banged up. I mean the playing example,
those are four or five starters, and then you don't
have the ability to to pull into the reserves quite
yet because you're hoping those guys come back.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
In GB.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I was, I spent most of my time over there
because I had low expectations for our defensive backfield. I mean,
you're going against two of the premier route runners in
the league. There's not to say that you don't go
against good route runners every single day. You have ceede Land,
George Piggins. I mean, those guys are well respected obviously
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in the league. DeVante Adams is world renowned for his
route running. Like it's no matter who you ask, is
not debatable. He's one of the best route runners in
the last decade of our of the game of football.
And people argue whether or not he's lost a step.
It doesn't look like it. Poking the cool one of
the rising stars at the receiver position. Both of those
guys are really good at what they do. And then
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they have a couple other guys they got they got
to to that well they got was a Kennington, not Kennington,
what was his name, Whittington.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Former Texas Longhorn.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yeah, they got some guys. Anyways, our defensive backfield is
ravaged right now. I mean, your kyer Elims had one
heck of a camp. He's somebody that you obviously traded for.
He came into the building. He's been bawling out in
camp against our guys. But these are new concepts.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
These are new.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
New personnel groupings, new motions, new shifts, new everything. Right,
So you're facing this stuff without being prepped, without film
study on this opponent. So your reaction every time is
going to be delayed. Also, the thing that contributed to
them being hostidoed really on the back end is that
you expected a pass rush. I spent my time over
there because I had high expectations for the pass rush,
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not only because what I've seen in practice, but also
because these guys look good on paper.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
These are guys that we have high expectations for.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
This is the room that I considered to be one
of the deeper position groups on this roster, and it didn't.
It felt like all their moves just went away. It
was almost like you went to go play Mortar comeback.
You had all your moves all written out on a
piece of paper. Anybody else do that move? Yeah, absolutely,
and right before you play it, you lose the paper
and you're like, oh crap.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
That's what it looked like.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
It looked like the guys were just they forgot everything.
Donovan Azarak, who all the moves that we've seen him
doing training camp. All day, it was all bull rush.
Everything that he that we've seen and we know that
he's capable of doing. It's like it's just somebody men
in black them just neuralized her, just took it away
from him. We had zero pass rush from the outside,
We had zero pressure from the interior. Every quarterback that
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stepped up for the for the Rams had the the
prettiest pocket in the world. And when you pair that
up with their ability to run routes, the way that
these guys run routes, paired with with Sean McVay and
his concepts, that's a no winning combination. So defense had
a rough time in that regard. I felt like they
did a good job, relatively good job against the run.
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I liked what I saw for my linebackers. I think
that they're there.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
You thought the line day.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I liked the linebacker room outside.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Both one's answers. I thought, guys like the.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Linebacker room is deep. They're deep, and they're showing up.
And some of the things that I was looking for
was the discipline. Obviously you can't you're not supposed to
take guys to the ground. But I was looking for leverage.
I was looking for, you know, fittings right, are you
fitting on the outside shoulder, you know, to send guys
back in. I saw a lot of that, forcing guys
back to the interior defense. So a lot of things
that are going to show up on game days, but
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that you don't necessarily see on the practice field. So
encouraged by the linebacker group, disappointed in the defensive front,
and expectations were kind of met by the guys that
were competing at the cornerback end in safety positions.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
Would you just chalk that up to a bad day
for the defensive line, like you're saying, like they're not
instilling the moves that they've learned so far or was
it one of those things where it's like you have
a plan until you get punched in the mouth and
then you know, the offensive line for the Rams was
kind of to where you're like, I.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Feel like our guys froze. So I mean, I guess
you can chop that up to a bad day. Yeah,
you know, sometimes you're a little bit bless you, my brother.
Sometimes I think you might be a little bit too hype.
You're obviously also you're trying to it's very difficult as
a defensive lineman to temper your tempo.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You know what I'm saying. We still getting good reps.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
Like I don't want to go balls to the wall
because I don't want to push this guy over. I
don't want him to fall, but I want to win
the rep, you know what I'm saying, But I want
to give our guys a good look.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
It's very difficult. It's hard to play in between speeds
as a defensive lineman.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
It looked like yesterday the Rams were playing one speed
and Dallas was trying to play.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
I feel like holistically, the Rams were playing at a
faster pace than the entire Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Yeah, Now part of that, Josh, I like the question
you asked there, because you can also compare it to
who who had a bad day on the offensive side.
Just give me an answer there, who had a bad
day on the offensive side as a unit, not an individual?
Speaker 9 (35:11):
Oh, offensive line?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
There you go. Who had a bad day on the
defensive side? Defensive line, defensive line?
Speaker 7 (35:18):
Traditionally Dallas's defensive line has looked better against our offensive
line against the Dallas offensive line, right, because maybe the
offensive line just isn't where we thought it would be
at this point in time. And that'll be a focus
of camp from here until Saturday, and then then on
next week in Oxnard, and then when they get back
to Frisco. Because of Tuesday, the microscope is going to
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be on guys like Booker and bb and Steel and
of course the backups that are on the left n side,
as Nate Thomas really fills a hole there too. Because
of what happened Tuesday. There's going to be a microscope
now across the board.
Speaker 10 (35:52):
As there should be, as there should be. I mean,
you have to, that has to be right. We're talking
about Dak getting the get passes out, using the air
attack to set.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Up the run.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
But he can't do that if the production's not there,
if his pocket's not clean. And you don't you also
don't want Dak, as much as he's scrambling this year,
you don't want to see him do that on a
consistent basis. That's not a level of winning in terms
of here for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (36:16):
It's concerning it is.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
There's a lot of a lot of fans out there
that are, of course upset with the practice, upset with
all of that.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
But I want to I want to end today on
a positive.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
No, we got a ten minutes left who stood out,
who was playing at a at a high level in
the practice, Because I want as much criticism as we've
just given for forty minutes of that happened.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yes, I'll speak to the defense.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
I liked what I saw out of Shamar James and
Jack Sambourn. I liked that a lot. That was good
stuff from them. These guys were playing downhill, they were
playing fast, they were playing physical. There's a number of
times where they were protecting the offensive player but at
the same time give him a little And when they
came a little by pulling back and not not fully engaging,
not tackling intentionally, they were still knocking these guys down
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to the ground. So there's a lot of power behind
those linebackers. So that's what I like, that's what I saw. Uh,
I'm gonna go to the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
And this also goes to how Dak was when he
had time, how he was able to get the ball
out and make good throws.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But Ceedee Lamb, my god, man, my god.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
This time last year, you know, CD wasn't out here
in Oxtarit there was a holdout situation.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
We were talking about lack of separation, separation.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
For us to start the season. None of that exists.
None of that exists right now with Ceedee Lamb. He
is torching all comers in camp and not just teammates
on the opposite side of the ball. We saw him
having his way with the Rams defensive backs. I'm talking, dude,
the route, running the separation. I mean he putting it
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was like no C versus Tommy Yarrish out there.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
The yardage that he that he.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Was putting between himself in defensive backs, climbing the ladder
when he needed to climb the ladder. Uh, everything that
makes him arguably the top one, of the top two
or top three best wide receivers in the league is
continually on display. Rip in rep out so shouts out
to Ceadie Lamb. He looks like he's set up for
a monster possibly even another career season.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
We're we're all friends here, right, everybody. I mean, this
is this is a this is a safe space.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's a safe.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Space right all the way through.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
I want to tell a little secret about yesterday's practice.
We had Ceedee Lamb miked up. It's gonna be a
video on.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And there are a lot of Yeah, Beam was a
big part of it.
Speaker 7 (38:50):
It's Scott Purcell hooked it up. They all got it done.
It's gonna be really.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Cool talking cowboys. You guys get this and you're gonna get.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
The insider info. They can probably get it elsewhere.
Speaker 7 (38:58):
But the but I'm wanted I wanted to say that
because there were a couple of times where he was getting.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Flags thrown at him and CD was frustrated.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
I mean, there were times where he was jawing back
and forth, but he did a good job of kind
of reeling that back in and then turning in a
second half of practice that was just nasty. I mean,
he was really good on the second half of practice,
but he also was early on where he was getting
those flags thrown.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I can't wait to see how that kind of works
its way out.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
I know it's going to be an edited piece and
it may not be chronological all the way through, but
I want to see what he said to certain spots
in that practice yesterday, because I thought he showed it on.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
The field, but really quickly to that point, I think
it's key that people understand what Kyle just said about
Ceedee Lamb and his.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Demeanor in between or after and during every single play.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
He's treating these practice and scrimmage reps as if they're
in as if they're game reps. One of the biggest
knocks that a lot of the fan base had on
Ceedee Lamb over the first couple of seasons he was
in the league is that he gets when things don't
go his way, he shuts down.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, okay, well.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Things weren't going his way, and he was jawing and
he was staring down, and he was letting people know
like no, no, no, no, no, I'm not going for that.
It was the competitive dog nature showing itself in a
much different, a much more explosive way, which goes to
the maturity.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
So I just don't want anyone to gloss over that.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Point that Kyle is making, because when you tied into
the growth of CD lamb, he he is most certainly
becoming that guy.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
As if he weren't already that guy. Love it.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
I have to give a big shout out. Who's throwing
CD the ball?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Do we know it's that number four gun, number four guy? Yeah, yeah,
Rain Dakota Prescott.
Speaker 10 (40:36):
That's to see him, to see the offense struggle early
on and.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
To see and this is to piss off Willy Wonka. Well,
to see.
Speaker 10 (40:46):
Brian shouted out in the press conmerce afterwards. It's like
they were having trouble communication, like with communication.
Speaker 9 (40:51):
Throughout the entire practice.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
But I think dak Prescott saw what was going on
early in the offensive drills and was able to communicate
with his team and start airing the ball out like
he understood what was happening. It's like, Okay, this offensive
line is not holding up today in this scenario, we
need to air the ball out.
Speaker 9 (41:07):
I need enough time to air the ball out.
Speaker 10 (41:09):
I think he was doing enough there to communicate and
he was throwing dimes yesterday.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yes, he was.
Speaker 10 (41:13):
That was impressive, and he was making the right reads.
Even if there were the checkdowns, he was making the
right reads. I love to see that from dak of course,
and like you would expect that from your starting quarterback
of ten.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Years, Dakota Domes, if you will, Dakota Dakota doms.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
The last guy that had dined. No, yeah, well it
didn't really work out. So he's in Indianapolis because he
was all right to that point.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
Though, the most dominating portion of yesterday's practice for either side,
on Dallas's side was when they dominated a two minute
drill on the offensive.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yes, and who was that credit to dak It was
dak Tolbert had.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
A good good Jonathan Mingo.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Mingo was involved involved a little bit.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
I thought that portion of practice made me feel exponentially
better because it wasn't just Oh.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
They succeeded.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
They The situation.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Was they had a minute and thirty seconds with two
timeouts to get from the opposite forty to the opponent's
thirty yard line to set up a field goal, and
they like it was an end of game scenario. They
got to the thirty yard line with like forty seconds left,
so they won the drill with forty seconds left, and
I think McVeigh and Schottenheira looked at each other and said,
(42:26):
I want to keep going. Let's see if they can
go down and score. So they started going. They got
down to about the nineteen and then they quit the drill.
They would have kept going and may have had a chance.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
To score because they nixed the drill with like twelve
seconds left.
Speaker 7 (42:39):
Whenever or no, they went down and spiked it with
three seconds left, so that was the end of the drill.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
But they set it up.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
It was perfect. They moved down the field methodically.
Speaker 7 (42:47):
It was on Training Camp Live, the one with Nicole
and myself, so you can go and watch the whole
sequence and me we outlined it as it went. But
they dominated that whole scenario and I liked what they
had in that spot.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
Question for you we got your right to hop off
get He was the most dominant performer for the Cowboys yesterday.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yall's opinion.
Speaker 7 (43:05):
I gave it to Turpid Speed. Yeah, I think Rbty
Turvy Spech. He had a really nice day. He was
very active.
Speaker 10 (43:14):
I love seeing Turp out there, and like I said,
he was involved in the offense in a way that
I was really hoping after he signed that contract, like
all right, Like we need to see him as a receiver,
we need to see him as running back.
Speaker 9 (43:24):
We need to see him more involved.
Speaker 10 (43:26):
It can't just be kick returned. So I love seeing that.
For me again, I'm gonna because of the two minute drill,
I have to.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Give it to DA give it and I'm going to
give it to CD just for all the reasons I've
already stated, demeanor, ability to separate athleticism and just another
elite day that he stacked out here in Kim.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
If you had to give it to somebody on defense,
it would it be if you.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Had too before.
Speaker 6 (43:48):
I can't of give it to somebody who's kind of
offense and defense. Oh, Brian Anger, he was really good.
I'm not kidding. He was not kidding. Bomb sixty punts
do y'all understand how much of an advantage that is
if you are to have the best field goal kicker
(44:11):
and the best punter In this case, y'all forgot b
A was All Pro a couple of years ago. If
you have the all Pro field kicker and all Pro punter,
do you know how much of an advantage that.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Is for your team?
Speaker 6 (44:22):
The ability to kick field goals from wherever the heck
you want to on the field, score points, and ability
to flip the field. I know it's not sexy, it's
not popular, but I'm telling you, those are the minute
details that are going to set your team up for success.
If you get in a situation and you need to
pin these guys down there is.
Speaker 7 (44:38):
Can't wait for fans to be like, Yeah, joint practice MVP. Man,
that shows how good of a practice bombs. It was
really good. I like the question who would you give
it to on the.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Defensive side if you had to? If you had to?
Speaker 6 (44:53):
From what I saw, I was trying to watch a lot,
but I liked what I saw out of Shamar James.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, I liked what I saw.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
The rookie getting love, Yes, very much.
Speaker 6 (45:01):
So he's a he If you were to draw up
a linebacker, He's what they look like, you know, him
and Kenneth Murray. Those guys look like walking linebackers.
Speaker 7 (45:08):
I'd probably say I didn't get to watch your tongu
because we were on that offensive field a lot.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
From what I saw, I thought he was fine.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
There was some back and forth. I think lad In Camp,
I haven't seen the film yet.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Just delayed out the breaks and then then Bland.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
They didn't throw it. Bland a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
But I would have to say, which is why for me? Bland,
that's why. For me it'ster Ron Blaine.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
It's because his presence and his ability to cover made
them challenge other cornerbacks. So I'm going with Bland the
quiet assassin yesterday.
Speaker 10 (45:41):
Yeah, I like that yesterday. Yeah really well, he was
all over the place. Love to see it.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (45:47):
I think I'm gonna go with lel to official switch
it up. You're right, because I wouldn't even think of it.
I was thinking about the linebackers as a whole. Samborn
and James, but Leah All and Clark.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
I thought both had really good.
Speaker 10 (45:58):
And on a day that shotenh emphasizing communication, he was
a guy Camila John he was in there communicating.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
And he shout out to him for putting on some
size too. He looks more like a linebacker than last
year last week, look.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
Like a corner and yet and yet looks I don't
know if he looks quicker, if he's just reacting more
quickly because he's diagnosing plays. Whatever the case may be,
he's playing fast and.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Himself.
Speaker 7 (46:22):
So bad news is we've run out of time today.
Good news is we've got a show on Friday, episode
of Another Cowboys this week, a nine am Pacific eleven
am Central Time on Friday, because we the best and
we will lead you into preseason game number one, where
Isaiah Standback will be on the call.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah about and the Cowboys Television.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Network, Yes interesting said.
Speaker 6 (46:53):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (46:54):
All right, that's gonna do it for us. For Isaiah Patrick,
no c Walker, for Josh Rodriguez.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Chris Beam in the front.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
We'll see you on Friday.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
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