Episode 72: Teaching Testing and Design

Teaching Testing and Design Guests Betsy Haibel (https://twitter.com/betsythemuffin): CTO at Cohere (https://twitter.com/wecohere). Blogs at betsyhaibel.com (https://betsyhaibel.com/). Avdi Grimm (https://twitter.com/avdi): Head Chef at RubyTapas (https://www.rubytapas.com/). Blogs at avdi.codes (https://avdi.codes/). Penelope Phippen (https://twitter.com/penelope_zone): Works at Google, makes Rubyfmt (https://github.com/samphippen/rubyfmt), helps make RSpec (https://rspec.info/), and is on the board of Ruby Central (https://www.rubycentral.org/). Blog (https://penelope.zone). Summary After the discussions on testing and design in episodes 68 and 69, I had so much I still wanted to talk about in testing, design, and teaching testing and design. So I convened a panel with previous Tech Done Right Guests Avdi Grimm, Betsy Haibel, and Penelope Phippen to help me think through all these topics. I was very happy to have all of them on the show, and I think it's a great conversation. Stay tuned until the very end for an update about the show. Related Episodes with These Guests Avdi: 20 Years of Web Development (https://www.techdoneright.io/46), Ruby Tapas and Avoiding Code (https://www.techdoneright.io/24) Betsy: Diverse Agile Teams (https://www.techdoneright.io/38), How Set Design Can Inform Software Architecture (https://www.techdoneright.io/21) Penelope: Code Style and Community (https://www.techdoneright.io/54), Back in the Testing Weeds (https://www.techdoneright.io/33), In The Testing Weeds (https://www.techdoneright.io/004-testing-with-sam-and-justin) Notes 00:50 - Previously On: Re: Testing * Pragmatic Programmer at 20 with Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt (https://www.techdoneright.io/68) * Teaching and Learning with Sandi Metz (https://www.techdoneright.io/69) 02:53 - Testing and Design * 99 Bottles of OOP (https://www.sandimetz.com/99bottles) 05:43 - TDD Test Driven Development (https://technologyconversations.com/2013/12/20/test-driven-development-tdd-example-walkthrough/) Do We Need Constants (http://www.virtuouscode.com/2011/08/18/do-we-need-constants/) 09:36 - Testing, But Not Developer Testing + Sliming The Test * WikiWikiWeb (http://wiki.c2.com) 13:41 - Why + How Did You Learn TDD? 20:24 - TDD: Not a Robust Process 24:19 - Rails + Unit Testing 27:41 - Is TDD really dead? 35:06 - Keeping Code In Your Head 37:32 - Approaching the Testing and Design of Code 38:59 - What would convince you to stop doing TDD? Special Guests: Avdi Grimm, Betsy Haibel, and Penelope Phippen.