#665: The Great Reset Rebrand with Whitney Webb & Mark Goodwin

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Guys, it's been 10 and a half months since we since we last caught up.

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That's a long time.
We recorded, I believe, November 10th, 2025, which is two days after the election.
We talked about Palantir Mafia coming in.
And when I was thinking about how to start this conversation, I'm sure you guys saw it.
But Alex Karp at the All In Summit, very confidently letting the people of the United States know that Palantir is not spying on individual Americans.

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At first, I was like, oh, man, maybe I've really misunderstood Palantir.
And then I was like, wait a second.
Like, how is that possible?
Yeah.
Do you remember when, like, James Clapper lied about how they were spying on Americans under oath and didn't get in trouble for it?
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
I think when people like that say they're not spying on Americans, it's kind of hard to trust them, given a lot of the precedents, you know?

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Yeah.
James Clapper, NSA.
The NSA is not going to work with Palantir, though.
They can't get the contracts if they don't spy enough.
That's what was told.
Well, I'm pretty sure the contract for all 18 U.S. intelligence agencies.
Yeah.
Well, I guess a year into the Trump admin.
the last episode we did was like what to expect the next four years

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and I think the crux of that conversation revolved around
sort of financial stablecoin
implementation. I think it's pretty clear that that was a very strong priority
of this administration. They passed the Genius Act rather quickly.
Obviously we're talking about the PayPal Palantir Mafia getting more
ingrained in the surveillance state here. That seems to be happening

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And I think one thing we highlighted was with the immigration policy, watch out for the border.
Digital IDs are probably the borders where they're going to basically Trojan horse digital IDs in.
And so, yeah, I mean, that's still possible.
I think that's definitely what's happening in the UK, though.

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So Keir Starmer is pushing through digital ID to stop illegal immigration, which, you know,
previously the labor party in the UK was pushing it, you know,
this is we're going to stop hate speech and stop online bullying.
But it seems like in the U S they're actually,
instead of sneaking it through border stuff and on, on those same, you know,
justifications that the UK government is using,

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it looks like it's going to slide in with the genius act considering what
they've some of the stuff they've put out asking for comment on after its
passage,
sort of framing digital ID is an essential pillar to the implementation of
the Genius Act.
Somebody who prides himself on being on the cutting edge of all this, I was unaware that

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digital ID was tied into this. I assumed some KYC AML stuff, but
didn't realize it was. Yeah, it's not directly, like there's nothing in the Genius Act specifically
talking about digital ID. There's obviously a lot about know your
customer and Bank Secrecy Act stuff and what have you, but I think the
bigger, well, so as it relates to the Genius Act specifically,

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the Treasury did open up, you know, asking for comments. And within that, you know, proposition
asking for public comment, they did bring up digital ID. And, you know, I think people like
Lola Leitz at The Rage has been covering a lot of the Genius Act implications for like, you know,
basically using articles of the Patriot Act to push towards a lot of the stuff, which is obviously

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not good. But I think what's actually kind of interesting is not so much about the US yet,
Although I think that's it's pretty inevitable that that will come at some point. But we're actually seeing the downstream effects of the stablecoin legislation passing in the US, other places in the world now.
Like in the UK, they're limiting how many dollar stablecoins are attempting to limit how many dollar stablecoins a UK citizen can hold. And then we're seeing, you know, mass debanking in Vietnam.

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You know, I think it was something like 70 something million bank accounts were closed, you know, basically saying, you know, we'll re-bank you if you agree to this biometric stuff and, you know, basically implement a digital ID.
And I think the reason for that is, you know, when there's a proliferation of U.S. dollar stable coins across the world and, you know, now there's even avenues for yield to be given to those stable coins, which we're going to see right at some point.

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You know, why would any foreign national hold anything other than, you know, dollars, hopefully, you know, Bitcoin, if you're into that.
But why would you hold a local currency when you can hold dollars, get yield from it? And all you need to do to get to it is have a smartphone. So I think countries around the world, the euro, the ECB is now putting out comments being like, we're screwed if we let the dollar stable coins take over, because why would you want to stay in the euro when you can get dollars with yield?

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So we're going to actually see, I think, the rest of the world first implement a lot of restrictions on people via digital ID and, you know, choking these on ramps to stable coins because people are going to massively, you know, flight, you know, just incredible capital flight from the local currencies, you know, and they want to keep that money in their country.

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Otherwise, you know, they're fucked. They don't want you putting their their money in U.S. debt or, you know, in tethers.
You know, they want to keep you in your local currency.
So we're already starting to see the downstream effects nationally or internationally from the Genius Act as it relates to like, let's prevent capital flight because of all the money leaves the country.

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You know, we're kind of screwed. So it remains to be seen how they'll do it in the U.S., what carrot they'll dangle, whether it's some UBI or some, you know, yield thing or something.
that gets American citizens to comply with this stuff.
But we're already starting to see it as like a defensive maneuver
from foreign nations to like prevent capital flight via stable coins.

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Just kind of crazy.
Yeah, the Vietnam story I wrote about it last week, it's pretty astonishing.
I believe it was like 84 million bank accounts were closed.
And it's typical government.
And maybe it makes sense to a certain extent,
but I think it's certainly an overreach.
They were like, hey, there's a bunch of people spinning up drop shipping businesses here and they're sort of laundering money from other countries in Southeast Asia and fraudulently spinning up these bank accounts.

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And I think the population of Vietnam is less than 100 billion.
So obviously there's multiple bank accounts.
But something that we've been talking about for quite some time is this push towards biometric verification.
And that was sort of what they Trojan horse did.
And it's like, hey, we need to stop this fraud.
We need to stop this money laundering.
So we need a face scan or a fingerprint if you want to have an account.

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Yep.
Yeah, well, I think, I mean, the pace of that globally, of pushing that through globally, has really picked up.
Especially, you know, the EU announced last year that they were going to have this year basically be where they roll it all through for foreign travelers coming into the EU.
I think the State Department just issued something being like, Americans, prepare to scan your face when you go to Europe.

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So, you know, they pretty much done that. But this was an agreed upon thing with Interpol to move that way.
And the U.S. was like agreed to do that. So it just is a matter of time, really, until they implement it unless, you know,
there's some directive from the administration distancing themselves from that Interpol policy.

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But I haven't seen anything of that at this point.
so and already i mean i haven't traveled to the u.s since 2023 but i mean even then it was kind of
you know face scanning and uh they wanted you to you know do an even more like intense biometric
thing if you wanted to skip the line with that private company clear clear yeah yeah those guys

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um and then there's the the tsa itself has sort of like that that fast fast lane they offer if you
like pre-check and apparently they're going to put the deeper scan in with pre-check at some point
and you know yeah one of the last times i was flying i was like you know i had like an hour
and i don't like to get to airports early you know because fuck that and i had like an hour to get to

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my flight it was an international flight and you know this lady ran up and was like you're gonna
miss your flight you're gonna miss it the security line is too long come with me and i'll sign you up
for the clear thing and we'll do the thing and you'll make your flight like you can't miss your
flight you know and i was like i'd rather miss my flight than go do that shit uh and then i made it
with like 45 minutes like it wasn't even close but like you know that trying to sigh out yeah

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that like immediate like you're gonna you're gonna miss we're gonna miss like a big thing
you're doomed scan your face yeah i was like you won't be down no i'll take the doom it's fine
i'll catch a later flight it is funny watching how easily conditioned people are because even
still in the United States, I fly quite frequently within the States and I don't have pre-check.

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People think I'm crazy for that. I'm like, I just don't have it. And you go through the regular line
and they have the face scanners pretty much now the day is at every sort of TSA checkpoint for
regular, um, for regular boarding lines. And most people don't read the sign right before it that
says you can opt out of this. And I, I can say with confidence in the last 20 times I've flown

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over the last two years, I'm the only one that I've observed that is saying, I'm going to opt
out of this. I'm like, you don't have to scan your face. And even if it doesn't matter, there's
cameras all throughout the airport and they're definitely scanning your face. No matter what,
it's like, I want to send a message. Like I do not like this at all. I'm going to consciously
opt out of it. Yeah. You, you can't comply to this stuff. Like I, I, I like totally, and I say

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this, you know, people always shit on me talking to shit on stable coins and it's like, like I
empathize and sympathize with people that want to use them. I totally get it. And I understand that.
But I think like, you know, we have such few, you know, lines in the sand to draw anymore.
And it's like we need to not comply as much as possible that not in a way that, you know,

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I'm not suggesting anybody really fuck their lives up or their kids lives or whatever. Obviously,
it's a personal decision. But like, yeah, I think if we normalize pushing back these things,
because it becomes super normalized that we get our whole body scanned.
And it's just like, we really shouldn't have to do that.
And digital ID really won't work unless everybody complies.

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And, you know, unfortunately, they're going to try to figure out some way to
manufacture consent for the compliance, you know, and they're damn good at that.
Unfortunately, that's just what I was going to get to.
Like we are in an environment where it seems like manufactured consent is being
drummed up with speech laws, not only in the UK, but they're coming here in the
United States. The newsletter I wrote last night, I'm not sure if you've seen, I believe it's SP

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277 out of California that just passed the Senate. They're basically going to bring hate speech laws
and they're focusing on the social media platforms with more than a hundred million dollars in gross
revenue annually first, but it's basically the state of California saying, if, uh, if you say
something that we deem is hate speech, we will find, uh, the social media platforms. And that's

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just a sort of light nudging towards forcing the social media platforms to curb speech.
So we're seeing that.
Obviously, with the aftermath of Charlie Kirk, things are very divisive right now.
The right is certainly ginned up.
The left is ginned up as well.
And I've made a conscious effort two weeks out.

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The first few days, I definitely was reacting to it a little emotional.
But now I share some conversations with people looking at how the story has sort of developed since then with the narrative that the government's putting out there, what's happening.
I'm like, there's something here. It seems like there's some attempt to divide and conquer here.
So I'm trying to step back from the culture wars and just focus on Bitcoin and privacy right now.

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Yeah, definitely good for you.
Well, you know, a lot of these, you know, big events and a lot of times they capitalize on real tragedies.
The national security state takes advantage of these types of things pretty consistently consistently to put for greater control.
Right. And so, you know, you brought up hate speech laws in California, presumably coming from the left.

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There's been a lot of questionable rhetoric from the right after the Kirk assassination talking about hate speech as well.
And so ultimately, you know, where does that take us?
to a place where there's a lot more censorship than people would want.
And, you know, censorship was a big political issue last election cycle, you know, really big for certain, you know, demographics.

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And so to have sort of the idea that hate speech is going to be potentially embraced by both sides,
I definitely don't see that as a good thing.
And also, you know, some of the stuff that has come out in the aftermath of this assassination has been this,
what I would call a renewed push to upstart the war on domestic terror, which people have to keep

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in mind, you know, there's a long history to that. And so a lot of times when people get really
emotionally sucked in to things, they kind of are focusing very much on like the present and the
recent. Whereas, you know, the domestic terror infrastructure is something that's been steadily
developed by every administration ever since 9-11. Because remember, in the post 9-11 environment,

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That's how we got the Department of Homeland Security. And right before 9-11, they introduced legislation to basically make DHS, but under a different name. And there wasn't a lot of support for it until conveniently after 9-11, when a lot of legislation that was liberty curbing was pushed through.
You know, the Patriot Act being the most well known, but also the creation of DHS and numerous other laws.

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And ultimately, a lot of the war on terror infrastructure was always meant to be used domestically at some point, which is why you have a lot of those same things launching, you know, at the same time in the early 2000s.
And so, you know, every administration since then, from Bush to Obama and then Trump the first time around and Biden, they have all expanded the domestic terror infrastructure and apparatus.

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And if you actually look at the definition of how the government defines domestic terrorism, which is actually put out by the Biden administration, but it's been supported.
I haven't seen them change to the best of my knowledge the definition since Trump came in.
But it includes people really on both sides of the divide, people that are against perceived government overreach, for example, can be defined as domestic terrorists.

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And then people who are against all forms of capitalism, for example, and that was Biden that put that out.
But that could include potentially you against stakeholder capitalism of the World Economic Forum for example And it a pretty wide thing unfortunately
And governments tend to use kind of these vague definitions and use them to their advantage

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whenever they want, right? So they give themselves a lot of wiggle room so they can label whoever they
want a domestic terrorist. And so Antifa has now been labeled a domestic terror organization.
And I would look at them as something, you know, sort of like most likely very fed infiltrated in the same way that like Patriot Front and like even the Proud Boys had feds or like informants like at the very top of the of the structure and things like that.

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You know, they tend to this is how the national security state operates when it wants to justify bigger budgets, more control and a removal of our liberties.
And this has been going on since the 1980s with Operation Gladio when they developed the strategy of tension.
They were the CIA and intelligence agencies basically were funding terrorism against civilians in Europe.

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And then they were blamed on on left-leaning groups.
And they specifically were going after civilians.
And it was a CIA plan really to prevent regimes that they deemed as aligned with the Soviets potentially, but not even actually.
Just like left-leaning parties, they wanted to push Europe politically in a particular direction or towards particular candidates.

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they were financing terrorism and they were doing that with like the mob in the Vatican.
I mean, it was a very, but I mean, it's a documented thing. So, you know, call me a
conspiracy person all you want, which of course people like to do. But I mean, it's something that
intelligence agencies have been doing. And so that, you know, if they want to institute

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draconian control measures, digital control measures over the United States or Western
society or global society at large, they're probably, you know, they tend to go fall back
on these same patterns and tactics that they've used time and again, decade over decade.
And so what I worry about is a push for that happening again now that, but I mean, flipping

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sides, right?
So you could argue that Biden tried to do it to an extent, but I think really it's whatever
parties in power, they push for continued expansion of this apparatus.
and they use whichever group is convenient
to pander to their base,
to justify us giving up liberty

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for perceived security, right?
Which is also part of the
Operation Gladio strategy of tension.
I mean, that's exactly what the goal of it was,
was to get people to give up their liberties
to feel safer from these terror acts
that were being financed by intelligence and the mob.
Yeah, and we've been...

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Over the last month, month and a half inundated.
I think people have already forgotten about the church shooting in Minneapolis, the Irana
stabbing in North Carolina.
Obviously, Charlie Kirk this morning.
I'm not sure if you guys saw, but somebody with a sniper shot people at the Dallas ICE
facility.
So it seems like this accelerating political violence is definitely going to be used as

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a frame to push and take civil liberties.
And I think one thing that people forgot, Mark, I think I saw you comment on a tweet
I put out about this, but right after the Minneapolis shooting, you had some ex-IDF guy on Fox Business News saying that he was ready to deploy Gideon, his AI, pre-crime surveillance tech.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's already a Mossad CIA.

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I would argue it's a front.
It's a company called Gabriel that sells like preventative tech to schools and churches to prevent shootings before they happen.
If you're interested in reading about them, you can search for Gabriel on Unlimited Hangout.
But there's been efforts to sort of build up position particular companies for this what I would call pre-crime infrastructure.

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And they in 2019 specifically, they really started selling themselves as preventing mass shootings before they happen.
One of these companies was Carbine 911, now known as Carbine, which people may remember was financed heavily by Jeffrey Epstein and Leslie Wexner and Ehud Barak used to be the chairman.

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And a lot of, you know, Israeli intelligence people, including like the commander of Unit 8200, were on the board.
An Epstein associate named Nicole Junkerman was on the board.
And then they kind of the Epstein Association came out and they tried to distance themselves, yada, yada, yada.
But they were selling themselves to take over 911 call systems throughout the U.S. and basically sold themselves in 2019 that we can stop mass shootings before they happen or increase response time and all of these things.

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And now they've slowly taken over the 911 call systems of a litany of counties across the United States.
But after the Epstein stuff came out, they tried to rebrand as more American.
So they only left one, you know, ex-Israeli intelligence guy that co-founded it, you know, there.
And they put like Michael Chertoff on the board of advisors who was former DHS.

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And they put one of Trump's previous heads of DHS, Christian Nielsen, I think her name was.
And then an ex-FBI guy or something to try and, I guess, make it look more American.
But it's really the same type of program.
And also Peter Thiel was a big investor in that and now recently published emails from Epstein World that have come out in the first half of this year's show.

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Ehud Barak and Epstein talking about meeting with Peter Thiel specifically about about Carbine.
And, you know, that's relevant because of, you know, Thiel and Palantir, Palantir being specifically pre-crime focused.
And what's important, too, is, you know, back at the end of 2019, when all this was going on, Trump was still was in office the first time.

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And all of these, you know, mass shootings were happening and there was an outcry about it, like the El Paso Walmart shooting, for example, and a few other things that took place in a relatively short period of time.
And what's interesting about that is before those shootings happened, not long before, William Barr, who was attorney general, gave this speech where he basically was like, we need to remove encryption.

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We have to have a federal backdoor into everything encrypted, all encrypted software.
And we'll eventually get that because what he called a galvanizing event would soon happen that would help reduce Americans' resistance to that policy.
Right. And then all of these shootings happen. And and then in that same and then not long after that, William Barr makes pre-crime of an official policy of the Department of Justice.

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So he set up the infrastructure to legalize pre-crime at that time in October 2019.
And so it's been being built on ever since, but they haven't really necessarily made it deployed it massively. Right.
But they've set up the legal infrastructure to legalize it. And they created a program under which the DOJ has made a few arrests that's called DEEP. It's an acronym. I forget exactly what it stands for. But they've made a few arrests where they've arrested people preemptively for social media posts.

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And then in that same period of time, also, Trump came out as and his touted response to these mass shootings was to have social media sites deploy some sort of software program that would detect shooters before they can act.
Right. So continuing to build on this pre-crime thing. And at the time he was being pitched in the biggest lobbyists in the administration for it was Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump to create this new agency, a health DARPA or a HARPA.

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They called it in the first program of it that the pilot program of it was called Safe Homes, which is, again, another very long acronym for something that I don't remember.
Sorry. But basically, the idea of it was to have AI scour American social media posts in mass and then use an algorithm to determine which posts show users exhibiting early neuropsychiatric warning signs.

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And that if they were, you know, flagged, they could be triaged to a variety of solutions like court ordered physicians or psychiatrists.
Right. Or like potentially house arrest just for having social media posts that the AI has determined is bad.

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It's it's very messed up. So, you know, ultimately, they didn't make Harpa, but Biden made Harpa.
It's called ARPA-H. And the same architects of the ARPA that was being pitched under Trump ended up being the same architects of Biden's ARPA-H.
But ARPA-H was sold as a cancer moonshot. We're going to cure cancer with ARPA-H.
But I mean, ARPA-H is absolutely still around and still has these kinds of of this kind of focus in addition to its health focus.

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Right. So unfortunately, you know, the Trump administration, or at least Trump as a president, has that precedent from his previous administration of responding to concerns about guns by being like we should apply pre-crime to American social media posts and determine who might be a bad actor before they commit any crime.

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And from the civil liberty perspective, this is terrible. And an even greater warning sign is the increasing involvement, which you brought up earlier, Marty, of Palantir in this administration, because Palantir was specifically really created to be a pre-crime entity.
It is a successor to this post-911 program that was housed in DARPA, Total Information Awareness.

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And it's, you know, been a Palantir since then has been piloting predictive policing, you know, throughout the country.
I think they first started doing that in the 2014-2015 window.
So and, you know, they because of their connections with all of, you know, pretty much every U.S. intelligence agency and how much data they hover up and hold on every American.

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having Palantir, you know, be involved in the government so extensively. And also now in like
your taxes, like their recent partnership with like the IRS and, you know, with mortgages and
like increasingly getting involved with finances and also, you know, running a lot of major Wall
Street banks, you know, it could potentially get very, very complicated. And so we're sort of at

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the stage where a lot of this infrastructure is starting to come together. And in order to get
people to relinquish civil liberties enough to have this kind of predictive policing infrastructure
be the norm, something really big has to happen. People have to get really angry. And more
importantly, people have to get really insecure and fearful. Right. And so, you know, I worry that

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this is sort of a, you know, an important moment, an inflection point where they're going to try and
start pushing us in that direction. A turning point. I was going to say that, but I didn't want
to. But I mean, well, you know, I mean, you know, Trump and Elon Musk and some of these other

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people explicitly made that, you know, say signaling in their statements around the Charlie
charlie kirk memorial for example that this is a turning point and all of that um but we don't want
it to be a turning point where it leads us to a dark um end point right well it's interesting right
one of the first reactions to the you know the the brutal assassination was you know the putting

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pressure on discord on steam on signal on signal on i think even twitter i think a bunch of the ceos
or these companies are going to be called to sort of testify about what they can do to sort of
prevent things like this. And a lot of the, you know, public discourse about the shooting has been
about, you know, the grooming that takes place on platforms like Discord and, you know, how can the

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feds come in and clean it up with predictive policing, with AI algorithms, with some sort of
AI moderation, as if feds have never groomed a mass shooter before or anything like that. But
But let's not get you demonetized.
But it's whenever I, you know, obviously it's a difficult thing to talk about because we're so close to it.

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No one really has any idea what's going on.
We're all being fed information from sources we generally don't trust anyway.
So I don't necessarily trust the FBI right now not to get put on the list.
But, you know, I don't know.
I have no idea what happened.
It's fucked up.
It's sad.
But the reaction is something I can absolutely in the discourse is absolutely something I can comment on. And immediately it went to, you know, these apps, these communication platforms, which are very important for us to be able to organize under, you know, and it's it's dangerous.

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I think it's very scary to me that, you know, the, you know, a few of the platforms left where people can kind of have a somewhat of a public square, you know, they're actually a centralized choke point, just like that California bill you brought up.
It's like they're not attacking the people writing the stuff on Twitter or YouTube.
You know, they're attacking the centralized platformers and they can put pressure on them.

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I'm going to fine you $100 million if someone says, you know, something, something, something.
they're not going to let that happen because it will hurt their bottom line.
And so the incentive is very easy to push on these private companies.
Again, they're private companies.
You know, they're not necessarily constitutionally protected.
And so I think, unfortunately, the reaction that we're going to see from a lot of this,

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and I've already started to see it, is, you know, a further, you know, erosion of the
little public square we have left, which is not a lot.
And you mentioned it earlier, you know, like the left is ginned up, the right is ginned
up and like they fucking should be everybody should be ginned up right now um but unfortunately
it seems like we're ginned up at each other and uh well that's the goal right yeah you know

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i would argue uh who are some domestic terrorists that should be gone after i don't know what about
dick cheney what about leslie wexner who funded jeffrey why can't we investigate them with all
of the resources of of DHS and you know the Palantir and the the NSA and whatever like why

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can't we go after people like people like that you know but instead it's going to be pointed at
regular people and what I am concerned about too specifically with like the Antifa branding
is that they'll try and conflate anyone who criticizes fascism in general as being somehow
affiliated with Antifa and like there was a zero hedge story that I read talking about the Antifa labeling that basically was conflating like people who are anti fascist but not necessarily associated with the group Antifa as being part of it And that complicated because maybe you someone like me and you don like fascism or communism Right You know fancy

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And do you know, if there's an issue where it becomes very apparent or a policy is being put forth,
that would very much, I don't know, bring to fruition the Mussolini style of fascism,
of corporatism, you know, a fusion of corporate, you know, of corporation and state.
And you want to criticize that.

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Will you get labeled as, you know, as part of these organizations?
And people might think that's kind of far off.
But I mean, think about how the original war of war of terror went, right?
Where regular people in the U.S. that happened to be Muslim were targeted.
And even though they had nothing to do with Al Qaeda.
Right.
And now you have the former head of Al Qaeda being given a diplomatic welcome in New York.

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Like, you know, well, that's David Petraeus is like, how are you holding up?
Yeah.
Former head of Al Qaeda.
This is insane to me.
I have this teed up to share because I think it highlights one thing like the 9-11 was an inside job.
Most definitely.
So sorry, Marty.
You know how I think, yeah. I mean, I think the 9-11 narrative that we've been fed is completely wrong. What happened to Building 7? Nobody wants to talk about Building 7.

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Well, I mean, Americans were told we have to give up all of our freedoms because we have to destroy the people who did this. This is one of the guys that did that.
yeah and that's that's the point that's why i was like their their narrative when it's convenient
to push through the patriot act and all these civil liberties infringing directives from the

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government uh they'll they'll run with the narrative but here we are 24 years later
nobody really cares about al-qaeda anymore it's like hey yeah well that guy uh al-jalani
or al-jalani who's in charge of syria now the u.s helped put him there it was obama and hillary
in the Obama administration. It's been aided by every administration since then until Assad was

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overthrown. And they're literal terrorists. And here we are. Now he's in a suit, so it's fine.
And now he's shaking hands with another terrorist named General David Petraeus that used to be head
of the CIA. That's hate speech. I better be careful. It's almost so far in your face, too.
So like building on, it's almost like, all right, command and control.

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We had the Al Qaeda war against terrorism narrative for 20 years, forever war.
That sort of pittered out.
And it's like, OK, now we're going to pivot to this domestic terrorism framing the divide people and bringing even more surveillance technology to the country.
And oh, by the way, as soon as we start doing that, we're going to basically tie a knot in the Al Qaeda thing.

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We're friends now.
And it's completely weird.
Can you imagine having lost a family member in 9-11 or having cancer because you were a first responder to 9-11 and watching this happen?
In New York, too.
Like, right.
It was at the U.N., right?
Yeah. And like they want to let anyone from from Palestine come represent Palestine.
And no, not like the P.A., you know, or like someone, any any Palestinian diplomat, including the ones that have no affiliation with Hamas at all.

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they were all blocked uh from coming to represent palestine but yeah let's let the al-qaeda guy come
in that's that's fine it's very weird it's very weird and that's what i think well i mean it just
means they're full of shit yeah well and that's what i wanted to bring up i mean obviously years
ago we're talking about agenda 2030 uh as put forth by the world economic forum but if you

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and i think there's a lot of people under the impression like okay we avoided that we're not
doing the great reset, but I think it's just
being rebranded.
Well, Fink's in charge now, right?
When we came on, I don't know,
2023 or I guess
early 2024, maybe.
Yeah, we wrote this piece called Tokenized Inc
and we kind of phrased it as like

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we called it phase shift dialectics
and it's like all of a sudden, you know,
Malay's at Davos
and like everybody's cheering.
Yeah, they were like Malay obliterated Davos
and the Davos elites that were interviewed were like,
we loved it. He's spank us harder. Daddy Malay, you know, I mean, that doesn't make any sense if
that. OK, right. It doesn't happen that quickly. The switch doesn't go like that. Also, by the way,

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he did not get rid of the central bank and now we're going to bail them out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
A lot of issues there. But yeah, I mean, like, think, you know, he's like Mr. ESG, basically.
And then he pivots, becomes a Bitcoin maxi and, you know, starts leaning into a lot of this,
you know, kind of like freedom rhetoric or whatever.
Now he's running the WEF.
Now he's running the WEF.

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And I was thinking, we watched this really interesting Corbett Report documentary about
BlackRock and talking about Aladdin, which was, you know, this computer system built
by an Israeli with the BlackRock guys that basically is like the risk management tool
system for like the whole financial system.

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It's pretty incredible.
It's brought up in Adam Curtis's hypernormalization.
Aladdin is a very interesting data farm, and I believe in the Washington area.
And it's really interesting.
It connected a dot for me that I had never really connected before about how – why are they pushing these ESG things?

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and the way that I kind of understood it in the context of this was, you know, because Aladdin is
actually this financial instrument that helps put, you know, does risk analysis for all of these big
index funds and all these big traders and VC firms that are, you know, sloshing around, you know,
the biggest, most liquid market in the world in the US dollar, like derivatives and futures and

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funds indexes. And, you know, ESG is actually really this way. If they create an ESG score,
this like social credit system, and they say, you know, you know, if you're using too much of your
own power or, you know, you have this infrastructure that is really bad for the environment, but you're
actually like an independent, you know, company that can kind of survive on its own because you

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have the infrastructure you need to survive. You're not dependent on, you know, maybe less
resilient green energy or whatever, they can actually literally pick and choose which companies
survive via this algorithmic financial market. And they can say, if you don't have a high enough ESG

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score, then we're not going to put you in these indexes. We're not going to tell people to buy
your funds and you get a low score in Aladdin, which runs fucking everything. And so in reality,
They're actually picking and choosing companies that have a less chance of being independent and pushing back from, you know, whatever sort of totalitarianism market, you know, WEF agenda structure stuff that we're starting to see be implemented under a right rhetoric.

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So these companies that are actually able to get through, have a high enough ESG score, play by Daddy Fink's rules, they're actually going to be a lot less independent.
so they are able to financialize companies that don't have as much independence and therefore
can't really push back against the state which has you know kind of gone into these you know

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private wells everywhere and aladdin is just like this humongous thing that no one ever talks about
and it has such huge effects um for like how they're going to implement this stuff and i think
it's really not that surprising unfortunately that you know fink is now you know co-chair
of the forum and he's also the guy who has more control over anybody else via his firm and via

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this analytics you know empire to pick and choose winners of the future economy so it's like they're
using the guise of you know free market uh you know libertarianism to actually enact and actualize
all of the ESG shit, all the WEF stuff, all the shit that is really scary that we end up having

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these sort of companies that are reliant on state power companies and state data centers and all
this stuff, and they really don't have any ability to push back, then those companies are the ones
that get choke pointed by free speech. They're the ones that are running YouTube, Facebook,
all of these companies that choose to, they want to be winners. So they play ball and now they have

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no grounds to stand, you know, when when things get crunched down.
And we're seeing that now that the crunch is really happening from the state.
And there's a slow erosion of civil liberties via financial incentives.
And, you know, that's something that, you know, Bitcoiners and freedom based people
have talked about for so long.
This erosion of constitutional rights will be done through financial incentives.

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Well, how do they actually do it now?
They have all these mechanisms to really pick and choose and make sure only companies that
have no chance of pushing back are the ones that get, you know, all the money and the ones that
get all the resources from a financialization standpoint. And nowadays, it's all about
financialization. I mean, there's really like companies nowadays, it doesn't even fucking

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matter how much money you make. It's like what your stock price is. And, you know, if you're
included in the S&P 500 or not, if you're in such and such index fund or not, if the traders like
you, if there's a meme, if someone, some influencer is shilling your stock.
I mean, it's, we've gone into such this, we financialize finance in such a ludicrous
way that now it's really all algorithmic driven.

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And who controls the algorithms?
There's not that many people.
It's a really small group of people.
It's the Finks, it's the Carps, it's the Teals.
And now they're all sitting on top of the biggest think tanks and basically in the White
House.
So, you know, now we're kind of going to see the fruits of that work.
And hopefully we don't.

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I think I started this rant talking about left and right being jimmied up against each other and not against the guys shaking the jar.
And it's like we know what they're going to do.
We know what they've built.
They've told us their policies that they want to implement.
You know, it was just Klaus Schwab in his fucking robe.
And he told us what he wanted to do.
and we just sort of forgot because we just assumed he's gone now.

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But it's like, no, they're going to implement all these things.
It's going to be digital ID.
It's going to be carbon credit scores.
It's going to be erosion of free speech.
And now they can actually do it.
They are doing it.
And they're going to keep using legitimate crises or manufactured ones
to keep slowly eroding the shore we have.
And it's also a big part of the WEF's push, right,
was the fourth industrial revolution, which is this push into transhumanism.

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And the so-called libertarian elites behind people like J.D. Vance and that have been really involved with the Trump administration this cycle are very overtly transhumanist and think that the only way forward is to basically merge with machines, which, you know, in practice is not really that different.
And, you know, I really wish that more people that actually cared about liberty and civil liberties and freedom and individual sovereignty would actually pay attention to the political philosophies of people like Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin.

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Nick Land, who was a, you know, one of the main influences on Mark Andreessen's techno-optimist manifesto, because they're not libertarian.
And I mean, it's bonkers to me that people I mean, I guess they self define as that.
But I think it's in the same. I mean, it's a wolf in sheep's clothing for them to self define like that.

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And I think people haven't really looked very closely at what these people want, because, you know, in the case of someone like like Jarvan, who's very close with Peter Thiel and has influenced tremendously his political philosophy.
I mean, basically, you know, and this is kind of common with how a lot of the stuff we've been talking about recently works.

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You know, they'll accurately talk about how the system sucks and people are like, yeah, the system does suck, you know.
But then they get around to their solutions.
And then, you know, when people like agree with your diagnosis of the problem, they'll be like more inclined to get on board with your solutions.
So, you know, with with Curtis Yarvin, it's basically about creating turning the U.S. into a corporate monopoly.

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So it's about deconstructing the existing state in the cathedral and all of that.
And then once sufficiently deconstructed, you know, sufficiently basically completely privatized the state.
But in doing so, you're not going to limit or eliminate the authoritarian powers of the state.
You will keep them. And then you'll basically have a CEO of that SovCorp, Sovereign Corporation.

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or whatever, a gov corp, a government corporation, run everything as a dictator.
I don't think that sounds very liberty maximizing to me.
And there's a quote from Jarvan that is very, I mean, honestly, it's something Klaus Schwab
could have said.
I'll read it to you, Marty, because I wanted to make sure that I had it verbatim right

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so no one can be like, he never said that.
No, he absolutely did.
This is his opinion on what should be done with undesirable elements of society or adults who are not productive members of society.
He said, quote, our goal in short is a humane alternative to genocide.
That is, the ideal solution achieves the same result as mass murder, i.e. in parentheses, the removal of undesirable elements from society, in parentheses, but without any of the moral stigma.

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The best humane alternative to genocide I can think of is not to liquidate the wards, meaning people, either metaphorically or literally, but to virtualize them.
A virtualized human is in permanent solitary confinement, waxed like a bee larva into a cell which is sealed except for emergencies.
This would drive him insane, except that the cell contains an immersive virtual reality interface that allows him to experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.

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Live in the pod, live in the multiverse.
Yeah.
Who decides if you're undesirable?
The corporate monarch on top.
I've met Curtis in person.
I actually went to two of the four-part lecture series of Peter Thiel's Antichrist series in Austin.
Oh, shit.

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What was it like?
You got invited?
Yeah.
Whoa.
By a friend.
They did it at UATX.
And it was actually interesting.
And I think people think the way he thinks the Antichrist is going to be some 33-year-old and something we should look out for.
And the way he framed it.
33-year-old who said that ain't interesting.
The Antichrist has to be around the same age as Jesus is his thesis.

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And it was very interesting.
I met Curtis in person too And I think he got a very Hoppian view What you describe as a corporate monopoly dictatorship he would describe as like we need to get back to monarchy which I don think I agree with I think we need more
I mean, that's not libertarian.
You see what I'm saying?
Like a monarchy isn't libertarian.

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It isn't liberty maximizing.
It does not reduce or remove the authoritarian power of the state.
There would still be under a monarchy.
there's still like tariffs and regulations and all of these things that libertarians don't like.
I don't see how it's libertarian. Yeah, no. I mean, I think the argument, I'm not going to speak

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for him, but I think the gist of what I understand, I'm not saying I completely agree with, like,
I don't think it's pragmatic in the sense that it could actually be implemented. But I think his
view would be is that monarchs, if they're actually doing their job right, and they're
incentivized to do their job right, because the people will kill them if they don't. And so they're
like I'm just giving the sort of the reaction is monarch.

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Yeah.
But at the same time, if you do that in today's world,
you know, and someone like Peter Thiel has Palantir around,
no one gets to kill the monarch when he does a bad job.
Yeah, no, I completely agree.
It's not pragmatic for today's day and age.
Like I think we get back to
like Holy Roman Empire.

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You think that?
Levels of distribution.
Like if you go back to the Holy Roman Empire
and you have like very, very small city states.
I think that is.
Wasn't it still kind of feudalist though?
It was.
It was.
I'm talking about from like a state structure-wide.
Like I'm talking to get more distributed, more decentralized,
like here in the United States.
But without the feudalism, right?

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Yeah.
Okay.
Well, to me, it's interesting the way that technology plays a role
in the like decentralization and then re-centralization
and then like the state is always kind of fluctuating like that.
and like i mean it's an analogy that's been made a bunch of times but like the idea of like the
gunpowder revolution being a decentralizing thing at first you know because it's like you want to go

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kill the monarch well now i got a fucking musket and i can go in there and shoot you or whatever
and it like decentralized the monopoly on violence but then they got really good at making gunpowder
and then, you know, F-16s and whatever, and, you know, drones and surveillance technology and all
these things. And then that like monopoly was reinstated by the furthering of that technology.

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So while it was something that initially decentralized power and did lead to like
uprisings of, you know, you know, people in the feudal system being able to, you know,
get out of it because they could go blam blam. Good luck reloading your musket fast enough,
you know as one monarch to kill 50 peasants or whatever like good luck but then as the technology

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grew on it became re-centralizing and i think we're seeing that with communication tech and
we're seeing that with um you know financial tech because initially all these things did
distribute power like the internet in the 90s was fucking awesome the internet in the early 2000s
was fucking amazing it was cool there was tons of crazy shit happening it was really creative

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There was like, you know, I was like a big gamer in that time and like playing Counter-Strike and user map settings and mods and fucking StarCraft and, you know, downloading ROMs and things.
Zerg Rush.
Yeah, exactly.
Like there was vernacular being made.
There was connections being made.
There was a really cool thing.
And I think I said this actually on the show before, but it's like we built the Internet.

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It was the people.
It was very, yes, it was a DARPA project.
but then it spread out and it you know all the the communication early on in the internet the
cool content was like made by us it was made by like cool people online and that was very cool
and now we're seeing it like re-centralize and now it's like the internet to like six billion
people in the world like is facebook and like that's not the fucking internet like that sucks

(49:52):
going back to aol yeah exactly like we've gone back to the aol home page um but without the like
disturbing chat rooms and interesting shit going on you know now it's just like the most like
sanitized you know uh corpo approved content and now we're seeing yeah communication tech
has kind of re-centralized and i think kind of unfortunately like i don't know how it's all

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going to play out but i think we're kind of seeing that with financial tech too where like
a lot of the stuff that was going on at the beginning of the sort of digital financial
revolution like was pretty uh revolutionary and like it was amazing that you could generate
coins meaningfully with like a cpu and be able to you know transact you know with like very little

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bandwidth very little storage space uh and very little processing power and being able to have
like a swiss bank on your you know dell or whatever now it's like kind of re-centralizing
And a lot of the peer to peer stuff that was so cool about the promise of the early revolution is like everyone's just going to trusted custodians.

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Like I'm not saying everybody. I'm not saying I'm not a doomer about it.
I think there are people doing cool stuff.
But my fear is that we've seen a cycle of technology dissolving power and then recentralizing it to an even smaller.
You know, the U.S. empire is the biggest monopoly of violence in the world.
yes the gunpowder revolution decentralized power from feudal lords to the peasants but now it's

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re-centralized to you know f-16s b-52s b-2s whatever you know no one's fucking with that
now we have drone tech and all the stuff it's going to just even further centralize where
good luck uh you know when we have ai drones going around taking out um you know people before they do
something bad because they've profiled them successfully, like good luck fighting back

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against that power. We've seen this time and time again, this devolving decentralization,
re-centralization. And I think we're seeing it with communication tech. I think we're already
kind of there. The internet is way less free than it used to be. And I'm fearful of that happening
with financial tech because I think the way you dictate human behavior is with financial incentives.

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Like that's how you do it. And so if they want to really dictate human behavior, they've got the content stuff kind of down. They're doing pretty good with that. But now you affect monetization, you affect their bank accounts, you affect income streams, you inflate the fuck out of the dollar, which is obviously happening and about to happen.
You get everybody on the globe onboarded onto the dollar with stable coins.

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Then you inflate the fuck out of the dollar.
And then it's like, OK, well, you have your wallet and we'll send you 2000 bucks a month if you conform and do all these things.
And they can really centralize monetary policy.
Like it's ironic, like the end result of cryptocurrency might literally be the U.S. Treasury runs the entire financial system.

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Yeah, well, that's how you get your new world currency.
We're not going to let it happen.
We're not going to let it happen.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, we can't.
I mean, we can't because there's no coming back from it.
Like that's, yeah.
Sorry, go for it.
We got to tie this back to the expansion of the Patriot Act because I don't think we touched on that enough.
And that was like with David Sachs and Bill Hines before he left for Tether.

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They obviously had that 180-day period where we need a brief on the state of the crypto landscape and what we're going to do from a policy perspective.
And they snuck that blurb, I believe, on page 167 of a 300-page report.
There was two sections where we recommend that you expand the Patriot Act to include a sixth condition, I think is how they call it.

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I think there's five conditions that the Patriot Act sort of looks for when it pertains to financial information.
They're like, we need to expand, create a sixth condition for digital assets.
And I mean, it's just completely tone deaf from the administration where it's like, no, we're a bunch of people who would like to repeal the Patriot Act, repeal the Bank Secrecy Act.

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And then you had comments on the Hill, I believe, two or three weeks ago from FinCEN and the Treasury talking about what they want to do to sort of codify the sixth condition.
And they talked about eliminating the ability for individuals to coin join,
eliminating the ability for individuals to do sort of delayed transaction broadcasting,

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which is a good tried and true best practice for broadcasting on-chain Bitcoin transactions.
And the one asinine thing that really is like a signal like, holy crap,
they're trying to really screw this up for people is like you can't have single-use addresses.
which is best practice you don't want to be sending bitcoin to the same address and they're

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like we don't like the practice of people creating single use addresses when they're receiving bitcoin
that that tells us that they're doing something nefarious when that is literally best practice
what people have been recommended to do since xpubs became a thing over 10 years ago
yeah see i mean this is why it's important with the talking about the war on domestic terror war

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of terror stuff because a lot of this is justified of we a lot of the stuff that's been or rhetoric
that's been used to justify uh targeting uh you know improved privacy on transactions has been oh
it could be used to finance terrorism or it could be money laundering but you know who's the biggest
financer of terrorism and the biggest money launderer in the world uh well it's probably

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it's probably um just you know the u.s government and its allied governments
in their national security states that have documented.
I mean, there's so much evidence of them doing that for a very, very long time through a variety of banks.
And, you know, in the digital era, they're probably using entities like that for those same purposes as well.

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I would be shocked if they were not.
And this is about censoring or preventing regular people from having privacy.
just like how i said earlier bill barr being like we want access to everyone's encrypted stuff we
don't want encryption to really exist um at least as it relates to the federal government you know

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maybe there's encryption between you know me and mark and me and you marty right but like the
government would have a back door into whatever it wants and that's what they want for financial
transactions um too and also you know you have to keep in mind you know data is the new oil they
want to harvest as much data from us as possible. If financial transactions are walled off and they
can't take that data, they don't like that. And it's an important part of them being able to

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profile you. I mean, a lot of the stuff that's in your NSA file or whatever, and what they've sucked
up through all the warrantless spying for decades now, a lot of it is financial transactional stuff.
And I don't think they have any interest in having that change. But now as we see this
you know, apparent effort to sort of regen up war on domestic terror rhetoric. We need this to stop

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Antifa and the dark money going into these radical left organizations, this and that. I mean, be
careful there because they may be pushing for the same stuff and say it's to stop all these groups,
you know, but ultimately it is less financial freedom for everyone. Right. And even if you do
subscribe to the two-party system like in earnest it's like let's not set precedent to go after

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leftist groups really hard and then you know it's fucking Gavin Newsom running this shit and he comes
in and starts going after all the all these right groups like even if you do subscribe to that it's
a very dangerous because I mean they'll change perception and pivot uh whenever it's it's
convenient for them and they'll use it to enact really disgusting dangerous you know even acts of

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war. Like, let's like, what are they doing in Venezuela right now? It's like, they're like,
oh my God, all the drugs are pouring in from Venezuela. Let's go bomb these people. It's like,
as if the U S government hasn't been bringing in drugs and trafficking drugs in the United States
and financing their like black book operations. Like, oh, now we got to go blow up a fishing boat
in Venezuela and start like an act of war and have like, it's, it's just absurd. Um, I guess

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maybe they figured out another way to finance black book operations using cryptocurrency,
but maybe they don't need the drug trade anymore.
Oh, they're keeping the Ukraine war going.
So that's all, you know.
Right, sure.
But it's like they will take something that they'll entrench
and they'll use to, you know, to make a law
or to do a thing, you know, a decade ago.

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And then in the future,
they'll use the exact opposite of that thing to enforce,
you know, whatever the hell they want.
So it's like, we have enough evidence now
of this ping pong back and forth.
These ping pongs used to be generational
where we would see, you know, you know, parties literally just switch entirely, you know,
the Dems and the Republicans basically switched, you know, in the in the Kennedy era, like,

(59:02):
you know, and before, you know, what side they were really on in terms of kind of traditional
left, right, that switched, that used to be a generational thing, you wouldn't see that in
your lifetime. Our fucking generation is getting onslaughted with just back and forth. We're in
this you know like we we kind of said you know last time we were on we're like we're entering

(59:24):
this fucking you know a cyclone and the hyper normalization of everything is going to be super
destabilizing and discombobulating on purpose and they're going to use it to push a whole bunch of
shit and it's going to be really crazy it's been even crazier than i possibly thought it could be
with with like how fast things are going back and forth and moving and just like i mean that just

(59:47):
this administration alone i mean does it feel like it's been nine months i mean i feel like it's been
like two years oh my god yeah yeah and it's like i wrote a newsletter like the week after charlie
kirk like don't focus on the negative focus on the good coming out of that and i think when it
comes to all this discussion like particularly the war on domestic terror like the signal to me that

(01:00:12):
we're going in the right direction is when you're actually attacking the core of the problem which i
think is people are doped up on SSRIs that are driving them crazy. The food's bad,
their health's bad. And you're not actually, we're not actually, um, getting to the other
core of the problem, the predominant core of the problem, which is the economic situation.
Like people are all pissed off because they can't sustain a quality of life that, that

(01:00:36):
their parents and grandparents were able to, and that's going to drive people to the streets and
they're going to have sort of yeah but they don't want they don't want another like occupy wall
street thing when people realize that they're still getting you know exactly by bankers right
that's what we need to anchor people to focus on the core problems like it's right it's economic

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quality of life uh wealth gap totally yeah and um i would add that our government is run by
organized crime
who were also the bankers
basically and they don't
want
freedom for the plebs
Yeah, it's like, let's hyper focus on like, how do we get the plebs to give their freedoms away to us and we'll tell them that they're getting all of these things, you know, better security, no crime.

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And also like, etc.
Who like people have really bad quality of life for all the reasons why you just said, I would say I agree, you know, it's a bit of a cop out sometimes, but I kind of think it's true.
It's like, well, the dollar has just inflated so much.
No one can save any money.
Wages suck.
Everything's more expensive.
Everyone is like it's just the pot is boiling.

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And really, instead of blaming the people that caused the situation in the first place.
Right. Like this was an issue I had.
You know, I hate both parties, but this was an issue I had with some of the people that were giving a free pass to Trump for 2.0.
It's like he printed a ton of money and locked everybody down.
But like he was a big part of the bailouts the first time around the going direct plan, which you could argue maybe was even the point of the pandemic was to print a ton of money.

(01:02:12):
when the repo market fails in fall 2019 and then shut everything down uh so there's no demand and
we print trillions of dollars and hand it to blackrock basically but like we're all focusing on
not the issues a and not the cause of the issues b and then c we're focusing on like oh it's like

(01:02:33):
armed mentally ill transsexuals that are the that's why my life sucks you know it's like no
it's not there's like barely any of them in the world at all like i like we're all being really
like you know because our content feeds are so curated they can again i talked about this last
time they know what demographic we are they can feed us exactly what it is that we need to see

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to push us a little bit in that direction and we misplace the blame yeah they get us so angry at
the totally wrong things like again i think tds trump derangement syndrome was like the greatest
psyop maybe next to Q like ever because the left is so deranged as to how they talk about Trump that

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you can't even take them seriously and they don't talk and like it's like okay well your criticisms
of Trump are ridiculous but there's a lot of things to criticize Trump about but you can't
because then you're a libtard and it's like well no I don't have anything against the I'm not I
don't blame the liberals for for anything that happened like they were socially engineered to do

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absolutely insane shit and believe crazy shit because their quality of life sucked and i don't
blame the right either because they were socially engineered just on a different social media
platform or with a different algorithm and i don't blame them it's not their fault it's not
the left or the right's fault it's the the people at the top that are giving us all this shit to
make us mad at each other and we need to come together and not go kill each other in the streets

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and go point at the people that are causing this.
And as the discourse falls apart,
as our public squares fall apart
and we're forced more and more
onto centralized platforms
and centralized financial instruments,
we like lose the ability to come together
and fight the real issue that we need to fight.
And even just saying that, right?
Like I'm probably now on some fucking Palantir database

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because I'm saying we should, you know-
They don't surveil us, you're fine.
I could, perfect, perfect.
But like, yeah, we should tar and feather the people running the government on both sides that did this to us.
I don't want to hurt my brother in the street.
You know, it's like they're my classmates, you know, like they're not.
I don't care if they believe crazy things.
I think both people on both sides believe crazy things.

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I probably believe crazy things, but I'm not that they're not my enemy.
You know, they're my brother.
So why are we shooting each other?
Well, I brought up I brought up Wocky by Wall Street earlier.
And I think that was really disturbing to them because that was like this is the majority of people.
Well, yes. And it's against the oligarchy, right? The 1% oligarchy. And honestly, you know, a lot of my work points to this being a bipartisan thing, pushing us towards this techno feudalism, like a neo feudalism stuff with transhumanism in it, where they use transhumanism and AI to basically stratify the 99% from the 1% by technological and genetic engineering means, basically.

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And they're very open about that. And one of the guys I brought up earlier, who was an inspiration for Marc Andreessen's techno optimist stuff, one of the neo reactionary guys, the dark enlightenment guys names Nick land. He basically says he calls the elite the self filtering, or what is it? I wrote it down. Sorry, genetically self filtering elite and says that they're superior.

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and that they'll continue to be superior because, you know,
once the singularity is here, you know, we'll be,
the elites will be able to dominate genetic engineering
and will engineer themselves into something completely superior to everyone else.
And then basically the rest of us will be trash, you know.

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And this is also in, you know, I mean,
a lot of the same rhetoric in like Mark Andresen world and Nick Landworld
is really similar to the rhetoric you get from the globalists like eric schmidt and henry kissinger
and their books about it and how basically we need to become forget what they called it something like
techno optimists or something that like we need to become we need to merge with machines it's the

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only way and you hear this from elon too um and you know it's i it makes sense when you look at
how people like eric schmidt are also on the steering committee of bilderberg with peter
Thiel and Alex Karp and we're told these are elites on different sides like you had people
in last election like Pete Kanonis being like these are our elites they're on our side and

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Barry Weiss being like yeah they're the counter elites no they're not Dave Smith calling them
the cool billionaires yeah I don't think there's anything cool about this shit sorry uh taking us
to this endpoint of transhumanism.
I mean, it basically creates a massive us versus them thing.

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And, you know, the way Kissinger and Schmidt put it,
they're like, eventually people won't even be able
to cognitively comprehend what's being done to them
and how they're being engineered by AI
and by this other class of people
that program and maintains the AI
and decides what it does to people.
And ultimately, a lot of the rhetoric here
about, you know, like Nick Land's hyper-racism,

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It's completely indistinguishable from the eugenics of like the Rockefeller crowd and the global government crowd, which obviously Kissinger and co.
are parts of or even some of these old time Fabian socialist guys like H.G. Wells.
The idea of like, you know, the the lower classes will become a different species from the upper class.

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I mean, these people were the really genesis, you know, back in the early 20th century and 19th century were openly saying this.
And, you know, they were behind the League of Nations. A lot of them were intimately involved in the creation of the of the U.N.
And it's this is not good. It's something it's the elites on both sides.

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And this idea that there's these two types of, you know, two classes of elites that are fundamentally different.
No, at the end of the day, they are playing us against ourselves.
And some of them play the role of we're elites on this side and we're elites on the other side to help engineer the divide and conquer necessary to herd us into this cattle pen that is digital.

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And eventually, if we allow ourselves to go in there, they have made it very explicit that the not chosen ones basically will be engineered to be inferior genetically and also with the use of technology like brain chips and all of this transhumanist shit.
And oh, my God, dude, it's insane.

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It's just completely bonkers.
And it's not conspiracy anymore.
They're very open about it on both sides.
but the thing is people don't read what these people write they don't read their books uh they
look at sound bites of them on joe rogan's podcast where they're basically like hey i'm a normal guy
like you and you know i mean peter teal went and did that and you know and mark andreason went and

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did that mark zuckerberg hey fellow kids it's me marky i didn't mean to censor you
i'm cool now look at my chain yeah yeah he had youtube come out yesterday google yeah um yeah
I'm not demonetized anymore so I don't think we have to worry
I think we have at least two weeks where we don't have to worry
I got demonetized for talking about

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climate change and
COVID vaccines
I mean I got demonetized for the
COVID vaccine also
on Patreon
it sucks so hard because
this is where again
even when you push back on this stuff you need to have a lot
of empathy and sympathy for people that
are good hard working people
who are stuck using platforms that they don't control,

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that their livelihood is connected to,
where they have to play the algo games.
They have to do the mouth-open thumbnails.
They have to do these things.
And Richard Greaser told me to mention that to you, by the way.
Yeah, we're going to make the best thumbnail for this episode.
Yeah.
But it's like they have to play those games.

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And I think your show is wonderful.
It's one of the few shows in the space that I like actually regularly check out.
And because you have open discourse, really all across the board, people that you don't necessarily agree with, sometimes you have, you know, and but you're still at the whim of like, if you want to talk about COVID vaccines, they can fucking pull your money, you know, your livelihood.

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And, you know, I obviously, you know, a lot of us in the Bitcoin space have some bit more of fuck you status where we can be like, OK, well, I can deal with not having it for a week or whatever.
But some people can't, you know.
And I had that privilege during COVID where like I was a semester away from finishing a degree in electrical engineering when COVID happened.
And they were like, you got to get a thingy.

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And I was like, I'm not I'm not doing that.
And I was able to just walk away because I had some some money squirreled away in this in this weird protocol thing.
And I was able to just say that.
But like a lot of people have a family and they worked really hard to do that and they wouldn't be able to say no.
And that's now happening with like content creation and the livelihood of people online.
And it's just like it's it's it's sad and it's scary.

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Well, it's it's it's ultimately going to go back to that same coercive mechanism that Mark was just describing.
It may not be covid next time. It might be something else.
But this is how it's going to operate. And eventually it'll be like if you don't want to comply with digital ID, then you can't be banked, period.
Or it can be, you know, infinite number of things. You can't travel, et cetera, if you don't play ball.

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And, you know, it was the vaccine passport crap during COVID, but that's really just a roadmap for where all of this is going.
And I think there was a lot of awareness of that a couple of years ago, and it seemingly evaporated, which is unfortunate.
Because if you're aware of where they're trying to take us, you can plan things to not have to comply.
So, like, so, for example, if you're like one of those people Mark mentioned where, like, you had you felt like you had to get the COVID vaccine because you have family support and you can't you couldn't lose your job.

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Do you want to be in that same situation again, like five to six to 10 years later? Or would you want to structure your life so that you don't have to be that dependent on the whims of a government or another, you know, authoritarian entity that's, you know, forcing you to make choices you don't want to make and wrecking your individual sovereignty because of whatever reason?

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And, you know, ideally, we should all have been spending this time being like, they're going to do this crap again.
And how here's how I'm going to set up my life to be independent so that I don't have to go through this stuff or, you know, these lessons I learned about how this tactic affected my life and how I'm going to be free from it next time.
I mean, that's really what we should have been doing.

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But there's been constant distractions, you know, and the more people are sucked in, I guess, to social media and the online world in this.
It's not even a 24 hour news cycle.
It's like a two hour. I mean, it's just crazy.
You know, the less you are doing, probably, I would assume, you know.
And so it really important for people to I think remember that and look at how can I structure my life and my family life to help us be independent and safe from what coming Because what happens when like I mentioned earlier like a lot of

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these elites, you know, they have these transhumanist fantasies, not just for them,
where they're going to live together, but for the underclass. And what happens when it's like,
well, you know, if you want to work and have a job and not just have UBI, whatever, well,
you need a brain chip.
It's demolition,
man.
You know,
or yeah,

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but I mean,
I mean,
maybe it sounds weird,
but it really shouldn't at this point.
Or maybe it's like you have to,
you know,
we'll inject this into you next time.
If you want to keep your job,
it could be anything.
I mean,
I don't know.
I have this issue when talking with like independent media people that have,
you know,
a lot of reservations about like Bitcoin and digital finance in general,
because they just sort of throw garlic and holy water and kind of do the,

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You know, they're like, this is a Trojan horse for CBDC or whatever total control.
And maybe they read some of our work or looked at the stablecoin warnings or whatever.
And we're like, oh, my God, this is it.
And maybe didn't really grok the nuance of the situation.
And it's like, actually, like, yes, there might be a divided class entirely that comes downstream of the Bitcoin monetization and the dollar play underneath it.

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with stable coins, that's very actually likely and is where I'm personally expecting things to go.
That's why I want it to go as slow as possible. I want as many people to get on board it as
possible, to have it safely off boarded on exchanges as possible and all these things
that we talk about. But it's like I can still say bad things could happen from a hyper Bitcoinization

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world. The faster it happens, we won't really save that many people if the way that it happens
Now, how many people can really hold their own coins, yada, yada, yada.
But they see these warnings and then they take it and they're like, Bitcoin's terrible.
Anybody that says anything about Bitcoin is a Fed scammer, pusher guy, blah, blah, blah.
They're a spook, blah, blah.

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And it's like, no, I'm telling you that you need to learn about this so that maybe you don't become in that lower class because that's probably where this is going to go.
Now, there could be good things that come from removing the monopolization of monetary growth to this deflationary system that no one can change monetary policy of.

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That could be an extremely good thing.
Also, there could be like, OK, 100,000 people have access to that meaningfully and 7.9 billion people don't.
And that's bad.
But they take all of the good work and research and things about like, hey, maybe some of the people behind these things aren't so good and look at where this could go.
And then they write off the whole thing.

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And it's like, no, I don't want you to be a slave.
I don't want you to be an underclass because you didn't research this technology.
And maybe it does go to zero.
I don't know.
But there's a good chance that it won't.
And it's a good chance the state's going to use it to debt pardon.
And in which case, you probably want to grab some.
You know, it's the same thing why the precious metals people have been talking about this
for years.

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And they were directionally correct.
But I think technology wise, they were probably wrong.
Although we will see.
Obviously, gold is on a hell of a run. But I think when that stops and I think things will pivot back into to Bitcoin and maybe some crypto, too.
But, you know, why would you ignore this trend? It's like saying let's not buy gold before Bretton Woods.

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It's like because they're going to create a new world order with gold.
Why the fuck wouldn't you want to hold gold in your house if they're going to do that?
You're not participating in the building of the new world order by owning Bitcoin, even if they use Bitcoin and stable coins to create.
And you're not. It's not the same as buying a stock like a Palantir stock where you're like financing the company by buying their equity.

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It's like it's a commodity. It's an asset. It's not the same thing.
And like there's a lot of reasons to be apprehensive about a hyper Bitcoin eyes world.
I think that there are there are also a lot of reasons to be excited about it.
But the nuance there is like lost on a lot of people.
And I just like I hate that otherwise well-intentioned smart people can't like see that, you know, hey, maybe this will be bad for a lot of people.

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But like I want to protect my family and I want to I want to be set up so that I don't get put in that lower class.
Why wouldn't you consider that?
Why wouldn't you squirrel away five hundred dollars or a thousand dollars if you can in a in a hyperinflating dollar world anyway?
It's like you should really look into it and educate to make the decision for yourself.

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because I don't want you to be in the fucking Yarvin fucking honey bee pod virtualized world
thing.
I don't want anybody to be that.
I want to go throw a ball with you outside in the field.
I don't want you stuck in the metaverse, you know?
So like consider ways to make sure you don't get fucking stuck on the metaverse.

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I don't know.
I don't know what I'm saying, but I hope that makes sense.
I have a couple.
number one
I'm highly skeptical that
ASI is as close
as these people are making it
I agree with that
but they're going to sell it as that
they already tried that ex-Google guy
that was like it's sentient
here it is and people are like

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oh shit it's happening
and then it was like oh yeah
the transcript
they can do that whenever they want
and here's the thing too
in that Kissinger
one of the Kissinger Schmidt books about AI
they're like either the at the the development of the ai industry leads to one of two outcomes
either it creates a new world religion or uh you know the underclass revolts against the elites

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and overthrows them what which outcome do you think kissinger and and schmidt want yeah well
out of that i was gonna say you know blasphemous they they want ai pretend jesus models to an
extent like obviously they have their own system prompts but i think that's our our best way to
fight back against like the open ai's metas of the world and xai if you don't if you don't think

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they're going to bring us down a good direction like and seeing what tony and mark said at maple
ai have been able to build like using actual end-to-end encryption to make sure that your
conversations with the large language models are private the data stays on the secure enclaves like
that gives me a lot of hope. And if you are paying attention to like the cutting edge models,
these open source models are really catching up. And so it's just making people aware

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that they exist in the first place and pushing them to leverage them.
Well, even with that, the only thing I would add is that I think it's important for people to
not become dependent on any sort of AI algorithm because there's the whole, I mean, I've talked
about this for years. If you don't use it, you lose it kind of thing. If we become dependent on
AI for a variety of tasks. One day you wake up and you can't do that task without the AI anymore.

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And you like need to have it obviously better to be. I mean, obviously in the case of like open AI
and those companies, it's a subscription model. So you lose the ability to do that task. You are
stuck paying them infinitely to be able to do the thing that you need to do. Right. But in general,
just like at a cognitive level, I feel like, you know, the, the people of the world are really

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under like a multi-pronged attack and a lot of it is a psychological war and like a cognitive war
and so it's really important for people to like still be able to use their brain for things that
are important and a big part of that is you know being able to discern for yourself um critical
thinking and analysis um you know i think a lot of things of course that aren't really taught in

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u.s schools or really schools anywhere right um but i mean they're essential and the more we
outsource our thinking to AI, you know, it's problematic. And also, you know, just sort of
not preparing yourself to look at the ex Twitter's, you know, for you algorithm and having all this

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stuff pushed at you, you know, and absorbing it all without having any sort of discernment about
why that may be, you know, I think people need to kind of consider that they're going into a
literal, you know, battlefield every time they're getting on these platforms and to not be so easily.
Well, I'm sure. But it's not so not to be so easily influenced by things. Yeah. And to look

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at a variety of sources and try and discern things from yourself and try to avoid all the
rage bait, you know, and the stuff to get us really like emotionally upset and angry, because
I've said this before on your show, Marty, you know, the more upset and agitated and emotional
people become the last the less rationally they think right um and the more impulsively

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uh they do things or say things right and i think it's specifically that's how they want us though
all the time and also how they want us again i think as it relates to talking about schmidt and
google and ai and how they meet you know you were telling me the other day about the the the like
you know, Google Schmidt has said Google is a failure in the sense that every time you ask a

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question and search for something, it should give you one answer. Just one answer. Like a perfect
search engine. You get exactly what you're looking for. This whole, you know, 10 pages of going
through trying to find something and all these links, like that's a failure in the sense that
if they were doing their job perfectly, you would ask a question and get the perfect answer.

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The right answer, he calls it.
And who determines what's the right answer?
Well, it's Google's AI.
It's the algorithm.
Well, that's the goal of AI taking over search for Schmidt and presumably for a lot of these guys.
Right.
I mean, Google's easily the most important one.
It kind of doesn't really matter.
So now a lot of these search engines, you know, they'll preface with the AI answer and the results will follow.

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But their goal is to not have the results follow.
Right.
Right.
It's just to have that answer there.
and i mean a lot of people are treating ai like it's authoritative like grok is this real uh you
know uh but ai hallucinates and doesn't actually think you know it's trained on patterns of data
and so it returns you know it's a probabilistic outcome not a deterministic it's like the other

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and ultimately you know it's the man behind the curtain shit you know even if they are feeding
it off of, you know, sound data, uh, cash and, you know, it's, it's a fine algorithm.
Once they establish the dominance of single input, single output, and everybody is getting
their information from these things, they can swap it out.

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They can come in and, and, and, and be like, oh, well now we control the present and we
control the past and we control the future and we control the answers you get for your
questions.
We become the front page of the internet.
We become your only interaction with the internet.
We become your friend.
We become your lover.
We become whatever the fuck AI is becoming with people.

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And you don't actually know who is controlling these algorithms, what the algorithms are, how they change, what changes them, what they're feeding off of.
And like it's just it's almost an impossible thing to nail down to know exactly what it is that you're interacting with that that won't be changed.
and your habits, your patterns are being built.

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You are learning.
You are actually the learning model,
the large language model that is being conditioned
by using these things.
And then you just become a condition to go towards that
for everything that you ever need.
And that is scary, I think, in general.
Especially with kids being like, having kids use it.

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I can hear Matt O'Dell screaming in my ear right now
and I have to bring up,
but this is like why something like Noster exists, right?
Because you sign a piece of data,
an event with a private key
that is associated with you
at a particular point in time.
And you basically have that.
It's not on a blockchain,
but you can like prove.
Sure, yeah.
Like this happened at this point in time.

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Similarly with what the Simple Proof team is doing
by anchoring sort of digital record data
into the Bitcoin blockchain,
into transactions,
and basically proving this record existed
at this point in time.
I mean yeah open time stamps It is like what do they call it The the dead Internet theory where where you don know we are there brother has ever existed it freaking insane like i have ai impersonator

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channels they get like hundreds of thousands of views per video they make like ai versions of me
that don't even look like me dude it's terrifying are they like photoshop like a hand that's like
way bigger than my hand like in front of my face they're coming like what black right you did they're
on the moon what's gonna happen well this is the uh yeah and eventually it's guy how am i gonna

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prove that it's like not you need to sign with a private key you need to start using yeah yeah
i know you're i know but like i i think thinking optimistically how do we get out of this and
that's why whenever we talk i'm extremely optimistic because i'm following like the
front edge what's happening on bitcoin and now nostr and nostr specifically if you look at some

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of the clients being built on top of it it's reaching parity with x twitch uh sub stack and
like we're getting to the point where you can have a similar experience on nostril that you're having
on the the sort of walled garden platform internet with with the major social media platforms that is
extremely encouraging the fact that bitcoin's intertwined with that so you can monitor you can

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produce content prove it was you have it distributed on this distributed protocol that nobody can
control and then you can monetize it directly via bitcoin and we more people need to be aware of
this they need to be focused on it and going back to like the whole divide conquer hegelian dialectic
like again i got riled up immediately after the charlie kirk thing but the weeks almost two weeks

(01:27:46):
since it's like very obvious that they're trying to gin up this division it's like don't focus on
that focus on the solutions like bitcoin nostr open source ai and educating people about this
And this is a good this is the perfect segue into what we're working on right now, which we haven't even really talked about anywhere yet.
Yeah.
We can funnily plug it now.

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Yeah, but we're hoping to be on the, I guess, the front edge of independent media by going back into physical media a little bit, which is pretty uncommon in the independent media space.
Because what better way to know that it's really us and not AI slop than literally hold it in your hand.

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So we're making a magazine.
Yeah, we're starting a magazine and a publishing house with our good friend Baza, who I worked with on the print magazine at Bitcoin Magazine.
And we got a couple books in the canon.
Yeah, the first book that we're going to be having is called The Technocratic Dark State.

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It's by Ian Davis, who, of course, you know, Marty, he's the man.
And a lot of the stuff that I brought up today, you know, I learned from him about, you know, Curtis Yarvin, Nick Land, you know, and a lot of that philosophy.
It's in that book. It's almost done reading it so far.
Incredible, as is the case with Ian's work pretty much across the board.

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It's top notch. So, yeah.
Yeah. What is the magazine going to be called?
uh well you know of course anything could happen but uh we are going to be calling it uh paper cut
publishing house and the magazine will be called the paper cut nice um yes so uh slow content for
fast times we're trying we were like we literally like got cameras or like let's do a video show

(01:29:41):
let's go do what everyone is doing and then we like kind of thought about it for a minute and
we were like no one else does long form stuff maybe we should just do long form stuff like i
feel like the only people that really do regular like long form journals i mean obviously our
output is slower but it's like it's very rare most people do like short punchy things trying

(01:30:02):
to be as timely as possible what is everyone talking about i'm going to talk about that well
it's okay because it needs to happen we need it we need people like you we need the rage like we
need it yeah it's important too but we were you know that's not what unlimited hangout is
And so did we really want to change and do what everyone else is doing or is an entity like that needed?

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So, yeah, we're going to do some old school stuff.
I mean, maybe next year we'll do a video show like everyone else.
I don't know.
But it would be well received if you did.
It's not a knock on video shows at all because it's like video is extremely important.
It's how most people take in information.
I just watched this amazing documentary by Elephant Graveyard about the Austin comedy scene.

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I don't know.
Did you see that?
You should check it out.
It's really good.
Unbelievable.
And I like a lot of those people.
Like, and I think the Austin comedy scene is very interesting, but it's so good.
Highly recommend checking that out.
Talk about the hierarchy, everybody.
Yeah, basically like the Simakura being created by like the Kill Tony sphere in the Joe Rogan sphere and then him in the tech bro sphere and how they have basically co-opted comedy to defang one of the only meaningful ways to cut through kind of like state propaganda.

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by like normalizing the tech bros.
And I don't want to ruin it, but it's incredibly good.
That guy is a genius.
It was incredibly funny and really well made.
Adam Curtis, you know, there's people that make amazing long form
and not really good shows like video content is important.
We're not video people.

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I'm balding.
I got like skin stuff.
Like I don't, you don't want me.
I got a face for radio and more so a face for books.
you know i got a i got a a body for long-form journalism so i should lean into that and do that
um and obviously like you know when he's the the best of the best in that and i'm just happy to be

(01:31:58):
here but the i think it's going to be really good and it will just be a nice like uh companion to
everything that's going on online like we need that we need that too and we also need this stuff
But I don't think anyone's really doing what I mentioned earlier, too.
You know, there's this effort to use social media and AI to try and dumb us down.
So an important way to hedge against that is how do I keep myself from being dumbed down?

(01:32:21):
So I think it's important for people to read, even if you don't want to read our books or our magazine.
Reading physical stuff is good for you.
There are literally studies that say this is good.
So, I mean, you should, you know, really consider that.
And, you know, if it's a mental war, it's a cognitive or at least part of the battle is cognitive and mental.

(01:32:42):
You know, how do you build yourself up to fight in that war?
Yeah. And obviously we were just extremely lucky to be friends with Baza, who, you know, is just, you know, she did the cover for my book.
She's just did all the amazing physical print magazines for Bitcoin magazine for for a few years now.
And I just say she's a bona fide genius and really likes doing physical media, knows how to use printers and do the Pantones and, you know, has the perfect skill set and is such a savage and a genius.

(01:33:13):
And it's just it was it just made a lot of sense.
You know, it's like I don't think maybe we would be thinking that if we didn't have someone on our side that could kick so much ass at it and be able to do it.
Bring her skill set.
That's like a lost art, quite literally.
You know, and so it's a perfect.
you know, companionship there.

(01:33:34):
So obviously just hats off to her.
I want to make sure she gets she gets due.
But we haven't done anything yet that much.
So no hats off yet.
But, you know, it's coming.
And we're excited to really talk about it here first, more or less.
So, well, I can't wait to subscribe.
I'll say that.
Thanks, Marnie.
I've been trying to read.
And I've noticed this as well.
Getting dumbed down by the Algo.

(01:33:54):
Trying to read more long form.
So I've been reading more books.
I got the Daylight Computer.
Trying to read books on that.
nice kindle and yeah it is i mean i mean it's really important you know we have people that
are like well yeah i see that you wrote this piece but um can you like reduce it to one sentence
please when when video pod about it or they'll be like grok make me a summary of this article so i

(01:34:19):
don't have to read it and it's like well i mean that's what they want you to do yeah and sometimes
they won't even they'll be like this is too conspiratorial to break down it's like why
why but you know it's like eventually okay what if the ai run by these big tech companies that
the owners have a lot of overlap with the national security state for example um and are arguably

(01:34:40):
fused with them so what happens okay maybe it's giving you accurate summaries now but then you
get dependent on asking it for everything and then what happens when they they could easily
flip a switch and then it's just whatever they want you to believe and would you know the difference
after that point yeah well on that i mean it would be remiss of me too before we wrap up here

(01:35:00):
it's like just talk about the whole epstein stuff we've been covering it for five years
oh man yeah it's getting swept under the rug yeah now it is yeah now i mean now it's very inconvenient
it was very convenient on the campaign trail wasn't it what was it and then they had binders
they were showing what was in the binders that's it was documents that had already basically come

(01:35:21):
out and had already been publicly available. But they tried to create the impression that it was
new. But I mean, they bungled that hard. And all the 180s, very crazy. Well, that's my question.
Are they worried, to your point about Occupy Wall Street, they're really scared them. When it comes
to the Epstein files and now with the COVID vaccine, particularly, I think there was a lot
of momentum, positive momentum towards getting accountability or holding the people who trust

(01:35:47):
that vaccine on the populace accountable.
And who knows, maybe there still will be accountability
in regards to COVID vaccine.
But obviously the Charlie Kirk thing happened
a couple of days after the Maha hearings
where all this stuff was being brought up.
And the study by Kevin McKernan and Jessica Rose
that proved that there's SV40 and DNA fragments

(01:36:09):
in the Pfizer vaccine specifically
got basically presented as evidence to Capitol Hill.
And then boom, Charlie Kirk happens and it all goes away.
Like I feel like Epstein.
Also the Epstein list got wrapped up in that go away thing after the Kirk assassination too.
Even though one of the things that he was pushing for also was a release of the documents.
Right.

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So, yeah.
But I don't know.
I mean, now a lot of people in the administration are being like the last thing Charlie Kirk told me that he wanted me to do is send the National Guard to Chicago.
And the last thing he told me before he died was dismantle the radical left, even though I thought his whole thing was to debate and beat the radical left through debate and discourse.

(01:36:53):
So I think people, again, like we brought up earlier, just kind of taking advantage of the situation and a lot of things are being swept under the rug, unfortunately.
And yeah, I mean, ultimately what they don't want is us to go back to us versus the oligarchy and working together.
And it's all about division.

(01:37:14):
And the more that they can drive that home, they will.
And I feel like, you know, as the base and the public start to sort of do that coming together, they're throwing some event at us that fragments us back into polarization.
So I don't think the Kirk assassination is just going to be, you know, a one and done thing in the sense that I think, you know, there could be some other event to bring back that strategy of tension-esque feeling so that they can either sweep things under the rug that are inconvenient, like the Epstein case.

(01:37:47):
You know, because, I mean, I don't know, it's just so crazy that there was all this momentum for that.
And now it's like, well, it's a Democrat hoax, Marty.
I didn't know if you knew that.
um it was it's all very odd um it's all a distraction from what we really should be doing
which is falling in love and and having a and getting pregnant and eating as much tylenol as

(01:38:13):
possible while you're pregnant and creating a whole generation of artists to that are really
good at magic the gathering exactly and push back against this panopticon regime because what else
can we do other than that?
I mean, that was like to your point earlier about
people on the extreme left and extreme right being driven

(01:38:34):
to look like crazy people I was like there plenty of crazy people on both sides Right And women just chugging right but the social media algorithm makes you think you like literally surrounded by those people
in your own house yeah you know no um and if you go out and meet regular people you'll find you have
a lot more in common with them than the pregnant women on on tiktok uh chugging bottles of tylenol

(01:38:57):
totally yeah you know or you know the other side of the spectrum extreme of that where you know the
people that after the kirk assassination were like trump now is the time to seize power and
dismantle democracy you must do it right now thanks sam hyde well those people aren't even
real like that isn't necessarily their opinions either it's like they're also
like influencers that are playing to the algos no but so are the pregnant people of course i mean

(01:39:21):
that's what i mean on on it's an emotional reaction i'm gonna push against this because
i'm angry and pissed off but i don't really know why and so i'm just gonna be a reactionary and if
I go publish something and then I'll get some likes and I'll feel better or this or maybe monetize it or I mean it's and then you see people doing that and then you're influenced by people doing that.
It's like the whole like people like Photoshop like, you know, Paris Hilton era like body dysmorphia or whatever, where it's like they're like already unbelievably thin and then Photoshop them to be even that.

(01:39:53):
And then people are seeing that and being influenced by that.
And then they're living like that.
And it creates this like down, it's turtles all the way down of just like manufactured
like insanity, you know, and that's not reality.
It's hyper reality.
And that is what we're like getting fed.
We're not getting fed reality.
We're getting fed hyper reality.
To bring up the Kissinger Schmidt thing one, one last time, uh, Kissinger, who's like one

(01:40:16):
of the most evil globalist turds to like probably ever exist was like the revolutionary.
Well, one of them, you know, there's a whole gaggle of them.
Um, but he basically, uh, was like, yeah, AI is the revolutionary potential of AI is in its, uh, use as a tool of perception and how it can like alter the perception of the masses at scale.

(01:40:40):
Um, and you know, if you are able to alter a lot of people's perceptions about a particular event, you can change that event.
Right.
So, um, you can also change how people behave.
I mean, that's the, it's the easiest way to influence human behavior too.
um so it's not mk ultra mind control necessarily but it's a way of getting p of controlling people

(01:41:01):
and controlling human behavior not that we're trying to control human behavior but we've been
using video generation to tell stories that have never been told before and you've been doing very
well with them i mean that that's yeah yeah silver lining like you can use these tools to combat
this stuff too like yeah yeah but at the same time like i said earlier you have to mentally

(01:41:22):
prepare yourself not just to use them but consume them um and so you know people need to be just
able to distinguish between um you know you just i mean it's important to use all the tools that
are right but it's important to be able to use all the tools at our disposal uh to fight this
war we also don't want to fall victim to the stuff that they're trying to us to entrap us in right

(01:41:45):
either so it's a fine line to walk but you have to be mentally prepared about it it's like being
like i have a i'm a blue check you know shout out matt you know blue check on twitter fighting the
globalists blah blah blah it's like tweeting 55 times a day online 24 7 live streaming on spaces
it's like you're exact you're the globalist wet dream bro like what do you i don't mean you i mean

(01:42:10):
just like you know someone doing that it's like well like yes there is something there is ground
to be gained by being in the you know like when nostor was kind of first kicking off and you know
i am on there but not with my real name but i remember kind of being like but x is still or
twitter is still the battleground and that's kind of where the discourse is still happening i think

(01:42:30):
that's starting to now i think it's like it's just it we are sort of unfortunately in the dead
internet shit i mean it's just bots it's terrible discourse you're getting fed crap i never see my
friends shit anymore it's an ai company ai is overtly taking over the algorithm in like a month's
time or something it's gonna get weird yeah they're gonna be like look at our animated waifu

(01:42:53):
chat bot that's grok yeah that i like i do like that it's like elon's like go up go you need we
need to have more kids and it's like this anime that's gonna suck you into the universe it's uh
Yeah, but at the other side of his mouth, Elon's like, the population is declining, you know?

(01:43:13):
And then he's like, here, have the sex chatbots so you don't reproduce.
Who is doing a...
Who do you guys look to right now that's building out there projects that are being worked on outside of Bitcoin Nostra?
Anything we discuss? Anything we haven't discussed that you think we should be paying attention to?

(01:43:34):
Well, our publishing company is going to be pretty cool.
um so unfortunately i'll let uh i guess maybe mark enough stuff i don't but you know basically
i mean all i really know is like at a personal level you know uh my house is now off grid 100
percent very cool because where i live the power companies are up to no good they are screwing

(01:43:57):
people uh just like raising rates 300 with like no justification people are really freaked out
about how they're going to pay their power bills.
And I think that's something that's happening in the U.S. too.
I think it's just going to, you know, probably be happening at a global scale.
And it's important to be as independent as you can off of the system.

(01:44:19):
So, you know, I know other people here that have done that and are doing that.
I know people that are, you know, expatting to Chile, where I live,
trying to develop an affordable homestead because you can get clean water
and a nice size property for pretty cheap down here and trying to build a better life for,
you know, them and their family and build community down here.

(01:44:41):
There's Chileans doing that.
There's Chileans and expats doing that together, you know.
So I only really know about that on a personal level.
And I know, obviously, of people in the states that are also trying to do those things up there.
But obviously, you know, it can take a lot more capital to do it up in the U.S.
just because of property prices and things like that and how different it is.

(01:45:03):
But ultimately, you know, I think those are the things that anything that contributes to people being more resilient at the family level.
And then in the neighborhood level, you know, I've always said for a long time,
we have to focus as locally as we can to prepare ourselves for what they're going to try and thrust upon us to hurt us into these digital corrals.

(01:45:25):
So how to not be I mean, we should be focusing as much as possible on how to not be hearded, basically.
And that necessitates networks of local resilience. Right.
So, you know, that's basically, you know, what I've been trying to focus on and restarting my garden and all of that kind of stuff.

(01:45:46):
So but obviously, you know, that's me focusing on the local trying to, you know, practice what I preach.
um but i'm i'm sure there's you know a lot of other good stuff going on that i'm just
not super plugged into because i'm trying to be less plugged in i guess
in general um because i also have you know three tiny people to take care of and

(01:46:07):
uh focus a lot of my time on them too instead of the you know everything everything going on yeah
i guess i was telling you before we hit record i moved back home to be closer to family three
little people to take care of as well.
And it's been extremely rewarding.
And to your point about online is not the real world.
Like you can, I moved back to the Philadelphia area where I was born and raised and famously

(01:46:31):
in the United States, one of the shit-lib capitals of the country.
But also, I don't know.
My family agrees with my political views.
Some people have been sighed out by things that have happened, but I've found that not
only my family but in the neighborhood people in the area if you have a conversation and you don't

(01:46:51):
get um too aggressive they're typically open to to dialogue 100 i grew up in new england which
obviously you know you know philly and new england have their have their history but but northeast
like yeah there's shit lib stuff or whatever but i don't know it's a different kind of shit lib
like the california shit lib is a little more fucked up than the the northeast shit lib and

(01:47:12):
I can say from having lived in both places and like, but I think to your point, Hey, you know,
leaning into family is the way to go. Um, but yeah, like go meet your neighbor, go talk to your
neighbor. I mean, that's, that's like, you're going to find you have so much more in common
with them. Like discourse is not what we see on, on DARPA social networks that are fed by DARPA

(01:47:33):
algorithms that, you know, like that's not really discourse. It's simulated discourse.
it's hyper reality like the touch grass meme is a little overdone but like go knock on doors go
meet your neighbors like i don't know they may be crazy they may be awesome they may be crazy
awesome they may be all the things and and and that's just like it's it's trite it sounds stupid

(01:47:55):
it sounds so like cliche but like those are the people that are going to be around you and near
you when if shit goes down and you need to build relationships with them like the whole idea of
decentralizing and all this shit we talk about, like, what if you need a, a, a, a, a cup of sugar,
you know, like you go to your, uh, your neighbor, you know, we need to be able to bring back barter

(01:48:17):
and all of these things that doesn't, that doesn't happen from being on Instagram. You know,
it happens from going and meeting the people in your, at your farmer's market or this or whatever.
And I don't know all the things that he said to getting yourself ready to take care of your
neighbors if something gets fucked up have chickens have a garden have a well have solar whatever it
is so that you can help your neighbors when when shit goes down but you have to meet them and know

(01:48:41):
them and be prepared yourself for any of that to happen because like the covid era was all about
getting us locked in our homes and like not talking to other people and and now they want us
to just talk to ai about everything and have conversations with ai and not with real people
so build it like mark said building real connections is super important and what they
don't want you to do yeah and get into group chats not posting on the timeline go go get

(01:49:06):
discourse going and brewing with the boys and the gals and and and that's that's to me what the
social media stuff is from like i've met so many important people in my life just because of twitter
like i'm not going to say that like i got my job because of twitter a lot of these things i found
like community during COVID because of it and a lot of other way more important things.
But there's also all of the things that we've said in this last two hours or whatever is

(01:49:30):
also all true.
So, you know, nurture the relationships you can from these things, but don't get caught
up in them.
Don't let them use you, use them.
And I think the best way to do that is like, understand it's about connecting with the
people, go see them, go meet them, go, go talk with them on another platform, go figure
out other ways so that if your, you know, group chat gets blown up, you can still talk

(01:49:51):
to them on another thing or whatever and forge real relationships that aren't reliant on centralized
algorithms and centralized platforms and so you can have resilient relationships at the local and
international level yeah and the last thing i'll say because i forgot to mention earlier go watch
hyper normalization like this whole al-qaeda guy thing uh yeah it's like the reverse gaddafi

(01:50:12):
storyline and hyper yeah totally totally but like i said earlier they repeat the same tactics and
crap all the time yeah yeah so the more you learn about how they've done this in the past the more
you'll be able to recognize how they're doing the same crap now like they're not creative
yeah focus on the qaddafi storyline and hyper normalization then compare it to the al-qaeda
guy that's going on right now it's like very very similar yeah it's it's bonkers but it's very

(01:50:37):
disturbing um oh man well i probably have to go uh yeah pick up one of my tiny people from school
here in a little bit but it's been great catching up marty hopefully we won't have to wait 10 and a
half months to do it again well i will i will wait patiently if it does good luck to the both of you

(01:50:58):
with paper cut um thanks marty yeah thanks brother and we'll uh we'll do it again absolutely
all right sounds good cheers everybody thanks for having us

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