It’s the fifth Monday of the month, so Erika and Paul are doing something a little different…music videos! In celebration of Gay Pride, That Aged Well watches two iconic queer videos: Olivia Newton-John’s Physical and George Michael’s Freedom 90!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, listeners, I am just dropping in before the episode
to let you know that friend of the show, Joe Piazza,
has a new book that is coming out on July
fifteenth called Everyone Is Lying to You, which everyone might be,
but I'm not right now, this is true. This is real. Look,
longtime listeners of this show know that I have a
very hard rule that I only read books about gay people.
(00:22):
But I broke my own rule and I read Joe's book,
and I have to say, she reminded me that sometimes
stories about straight people can be fun too, And also
this one has a great power lesbian supporting character, so
I didn't break my rule that much anyway. Everyone Is
Lying to You as a murder mystery. It's set in
the world of like trad wife social media influencing and
has a lot to say about the struggles of being
(00:42):
a mother and what the hell social media is doing
to all of our brains. Despite what I just said,
it is a ton of fun. There are a few
chapters of set up, and then the train takes off
and it doesn't stop until you get to the very
last epilogue. Pop culture Touchsdownes. This book made me think
of Lawn Autero SVU Beaches Nancy Drew a simple favor
and I've never actually seen it, but obviously the Secret
(01:04):
Lives of Mormon Wives kind of fits in here too.
If you like these things, I think you're going to
like this book. You're going to be out ahead of
the eventual mini series that Netflix is going to turn
it into in a couple of years. My choice of
the lead character would be Gretel Lee or Jenny Slate.
Maybe they will be in the conversation for an Emmy
nomination for playing the lead. It's really fun. So if
this sounds like your jam, you can pre order the
(01:25):
book from your local bookstore. You can pre order the
audiobook if that's how you roll. You can pre order
your ebook. You may be able to put it on
pre hold at your local library if that's how you
do things. I'm not sure about that one, but libraries
are so cool. I bet you can do it anyway.
In case you don't know, pre orders are super important
to the book biz because it demonstrates interests of the work.
Some more copies are ordered, etc. Etc. Capitalism. So I
(01:47):
would just here to say, if you're looking for a
great beat, read this summer. I know Joe would super
appreciate you pre ordering. Everyone is lying to you by
Joe Piazza. And also fun fact, one branch of my
family their last name is Piazza, so it's possible that
Joe and I are related way back in the Old Country.
So if it sounds good, please give it a pre order. Okay,
(02:07):
on with the show. I have to tell you a
story about one of our friends. I can't name them, okay,
and they do listen so they will know that I'm
telling this story, but I will not gender or name
this person because this story is too good to not tell.
(02:31):
This person called me and announced that they had come
up with a scheme because they hate when they go
to Starbucks and are asked to tip.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I know exactly who it is.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And they said that if you have a gift card,
you get to bypass the tipping screen. Because I feel
guilty not tipping, but I also don't feel like I
should be obligated to tip given the service that has
been provided to me, So I want to bypass the
tipping screen so I don't feel guilty and I don't
have to tip. So I said, want you to simply
(03:09):
not tip. This feeling of guilt is fake. You're not
required to tip. You're doing exactly what they want you
to do, which you're feeling guilty and then tipping. But instead,
this person said, I'm just going to go buy a
bunch of gift cards from Starbucks and bypass this entire problem. Okay,
(03:30):
and I recently received.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
A text I see some flaws in this plan, by
the way.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
A text from the parking lot of a Starbucks announcing
that this person was putting more money from their phone
onto a gift card so they could then go into
Starbucks to make a purchase.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Is that where the end of the story is, because
I can tell you part two of the story. U.
Part two of the story is when they text you
a week from now and they go.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Fuck, I lost the gift card. Yes right, fuck's I'm
never gonna get back, son of a bitch.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Okay, Look like, look who person who I know in
my bones?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Who this is? I love you?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I love you so much, so much.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Just give a goddamn dollar.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Or don't or don't or don't it's fine enough.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Dollar.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Look this person asked about it. I said, I always
give a dollar.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Because I always give a dollar.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I was in the service industry a long time.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I feel very guilty minimum wage.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, I just give a dollar. But it is also
fair to say, like they should be paid more. It
should not be the responsibility of the consumer to supplement
the shitty wages that the billionaires are paying the working class.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Understood, Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And I was like, it is okay to say no tip.
You are not a bad person if you say no
tip at Starbucks or or anything like that. I did
ask them, do you tip if you go to a
fancy coffee shop with perhaps more skilled baristas working behind
the counter, And they said, I don't go to fancy.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Coffee shops because I'm trying to save a dollar star
up tip by buying.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
A gift card to buy to game the system.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I love you, good lord.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I know I'm getting you for your birthday.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Hey, and this is that aged?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, yesterday's Pop Culture.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Today, Happy Pride Edition.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yes, it's the fifth Monday of June. There's five Mondays
in June, and we're trying something a little different.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, we're celebrating Pride today.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
We're celebrating Pride. We're trying to give a little break
where you know, these long four episodes are a lot.
We're gonna just a little shorter.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
We're gonna talk about some music videos that maybe gave
us an inkling of what pride could look like.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Exactly exactly. We're gonna go one from the eighties and
one from the nineties, but we're gonna do it in
opposite chronological order. Yes, yeah, So our first video that
we're gonna look at is going to be from the nineties,
and it is Erica.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It was my choice, is lady's choice.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So when you gave me the assignment of like, what
music video when you think about like gay culture, gay pride, Yeah,
what's the first video that comes to mind? And I'm
not even sure why this is. I do know why,
but like, well, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Gonna say it because it's also just fucking fantastic.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, the video I've chosen to discuss is George Michael's
Freedom ninety.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Excellent, excellent choice. I was very happy you chose that.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
That's a good music video.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, we were kicking around a few other ones that
I was kept being like, if she doesn't say Freedom ninety,
I'm gonna say Freedom ninety. We have to do Freedom ninety.
This is this is the one. So Freedom ninety was
released in October of nineteen ninety. You see, you see
what that happened. Happened the differentiating from the Ah Don't
Want Joe Freed that he did with Wham. It was
written by George Michael. It was directed by David Fincher.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Heard of him?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Heard of him?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You would ask me who's the director? And I didn't
look it up.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, I mean I looked it up afterwards to be like,
I think I'm right, but I'm like that, screams David
Fincher to me.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, he was everywhere in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Absolutely. It features Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista, Tatiana Patitz, Christy Turlington,
and Cindy Crawford, all of whom were compensated a mere
fifteen thousand dollars a day.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's right, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
There's also male models in the video, which I literally
forgot about until I watched it again this morning, because
if you would ask me yesterday who's in the video,
I would have said those people, And in fact I
also would have said Tyra Banks because in my head,
Tyra Banks too, and I'm wrong that it's a little
too early for Tyra, and then when the men.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Started popping up all like, WHOA, who's that? Did they
make a new video?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I have to be honest, I would have said, oh,
I know exactly's in that video. Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista,
Christy Turlington, and Cindy Crawford. My apologies to Tatiana Patitz.
I don't know if I'm even saying that right. And
all of her family just forgot. I fully forgot she existed,
and I fully forgot she was in this video.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
George Michael refused to appear in the video as part
of his desire to break free from his former image.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
The video is not subtle. Nope, we'll get into it,
but it is not subtle. It is about something he.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Had, something that he wanted to say, and he said it,
yeah multiple times. This is a fun little titbit, a
little titspit about this. Linda Evangelisa apparently at first was
a little hesitant about appearing in the video, and George
Michael was like, oh, it's going to make you into
a big deal, and she was like, bitch, I am
a big deal.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Bitch I am a big deal, which is fair.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
She wasn't all these five women were big deals at
this time. But then she says, little do I know
that to this day, when someone meets me for the
first time, they bring up that video, that is what
they remember. So George was right.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, absolutely, this video was a moment.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, when did you first see it?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I think I saw it when it not at like
the date it aired or whatever. But like I was
a very big MTV kid. I watched a lot of
MTV growing up, and so I would have seen this
in a ninety when it came out. Yeah, I probably
would not have recognized some of the supermodels, but even
at that age, even I would have been like ten
years old, I would have absolutely known who like Cindy
(09:12):
Crawford was, and I probably.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Maybe would have recognized Naomi Campbell.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I feel like those those of the two I would
have recognized after that would have been Linda Evangelista, but
I think that would have been a little more of a.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Stretch, yeah, because I would have been too young.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
They're not as huge breakout stars as this as Sidney Crawford.
I feel like I was born knowing who that woman was.
So yeah, and because I am an MTV kid and
I grew up watching it. I knew all of George
Michael's other videos, so I knew Faith, I knew Father Figure,
and I kind of I knew like some of the
imagery that was brought up in this video.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Did you know wake me up before you go go?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You know what's funny is I don't think so, because
I was too young when that happened and a MTV
was staying current. They weren't looking back, so that's so funny.
I don't think I saw that video until I was
in my twenties, like until YouTube had been invent to
show me that video.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
How about you? When do you think you first saw
this video?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I think I probably saw it at some point in
high school or possibly college. I definitely would not have
seen it nineteen ninety. We didn't have MTV in my
house when at nineteen ninety, so it would not have
it would not have crossed my desk As a ten
year old, I absolutely had a desk and.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
An agenda and a rolodex.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
A rolodex. I had one of those big escritoires desks.
That's the word escritoire thinks. Yeah, I know. I was
super aware of this song in college because me and
A couple of my gay friends would dance to it
all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, sometimes the clothes do not make the man was
the signal for everyone's shirts to come off.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I remember going to like a party, like with people
and like this hit the dance floor and like you
were the first person on the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah for this song.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yes, so around my own freedom from a certain place.
I became super aware of this song and loved it,
Still love it to this day. Still can get a
party started. There are few songs and if you need
someone on the dance floor you can play. There's this one.
There's Gloria by Laura Brownigan. Huh that will bring people
to the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Not a thought of Gloria.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, last dance down a summer.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yep, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, that's good. There's probably some for younger people too.
But I I am who I am.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
We are children of the eighties.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We are children of the eighties.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
For me, it's come on Eileen, Sure, you put come
on Eileen on. I am on the floor.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You know what I will dance to you. It's midnight
train to Georgia. My friend Lisa and I we used
to wait tables together, and she wanted to be glad
at night. So I was the Pips, so I know
all of the Pips stuff. Georgia dead on. All right,
shall we go through freedom ninety?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So we're actually gonna talk through the plot, I suppose
with music videos for lack of a better word, okay,
so Pinston's I chose this one.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I'll start, Guys, watch this video. Yeah, it's so fucking good, and.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I did forget shit in it. I was like, I
know this video perfectly, and there were a like you
said as soon as the men showed up, like who's at.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Literally, and again, I've seen this move this video a lot.
It's got one hundred and fifty one million views on.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
YouTube and you're only responsible for one million of them.
But that's a million views.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah that's me.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Okay, So okay, so we're in let's call it a
Southern Gothic mansion space.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
An abstract theatrical space.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
A glorified ruin.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yes, the vampire less stat would have lived one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
A tea kettle is steaming on the radiator. That's right,
the radiator.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yes, you heard us right.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
We're poor, but rich and gorgeous. We zoom in on
Linda Evangelista.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Damn that face I know, and the hair, everything everything.
She's in a bulky, oversized sweater. This sweater walked so
that all of J crew could run like this sweater
launched a thousand chunky knits. Yeh, she's wearing nothing else.
That's the one thing I can't pull off. She can,
she can, she can pull that one off.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I need pants.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I have to say. In the beginning, I didn't even
realize she was nothing else because she has like pulled
She's sitting down on the floor and her knees are
up and she has it pulled over her knees. Yeah,
And I guess I just didn't look very closely, and
I was like, Oh, that's okay. She's she's wearing pants whatever.
And then at the end of the movie, I was like,
where her pants go? And then I was like, oh, back,
He's like, no, she never had pants. That's the secret.
She never had pants. There is no spoons.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
She's too poor for pants. Correct, So she can't leave
the house.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
She can't make any money off that face.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
She's got to make sure she has enough money for
pants first, because she can leave the house. To be fair,
it's an oversized sweater to the point where like if
she stood up, I don't think we'd see any creature anything.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
No, no, no, I mean she does stand up in
the end, and she's she's fully covered.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
She picks up a remote and hits play.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
We see like a laser disc player, and I was like,
what my brain, my brain went back in time.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
It hits the CD and the opening vamp hits. I
can't do it. I'm not even gonna try.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I'm not going to ruin it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, it's so good. Evangelista poses against the waynscotting in
a blue wash of light, while we also cut.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
To a man who is not George Michael, who I
forgot was in this video, but who kind of looks
enough like George Michael.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That has been half the video going. Was that George Michael,
But he's not.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Here's the key. He's not as good looking as George Michael.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Good look. He's also clearly younger, like much younger. So
I'm like, that can't be George Michael. So they are
lip syncing the opening lines I won't.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Let you down, I will not give you up yep,
and Evangelista joins him for a few of those words. So,
long story short, we got gorgeous people in beautiful locations,
lip syncing the lyrics to the song as the song continues.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yep. The second verse starts Heaven Knows, I was just
a young boy. Right. We cut to Naomi Campbell. She's
in a crop top, boy shorts and like work boots.
She opens this door into a darkened room with a
leaky roof. There's there's water everywhere on the floor. She's
sucking through water.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, someone fixed this woman's house.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
She's dragging her headphone cord through the puddles. She's dancing
along on her large headphones, and Evangelista lip syncs most
of the second verse, with Campbell joining her for a
few lines. Right, so the music is taking hold of them.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yes, the pre chorus kicks in. I think there's something
you should know.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think it's time I told you so.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Something deep inside of me.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
There's someone else I got to be, And we.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Cut to Christy fucking Turlington. Yeah, draped in a sheet.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Oh, kind of like half wedding dress coated, half Greek
goddess coated.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, and also like a woman who just got out
of bed from a tryst, wrapping a sheet around herself.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Like satin luxey sheet.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yes, she can't afford look to light this house, but
she can afford good sheets.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
God damn it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
She has ten thousand threadcut Egyptian sheets.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
She has a leaky roof, but goddamn in her sheet.
The game is on. She walks through another door, her
hair styled back in a sort of like sexy wet look,
and she has, I mean, just a metric ton of
eyeliner and eyeshadow on. But it looks good.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
It looked, it looks look. All of these women can
wear makeup like hell, But I'm like, how is she
even opening her eyes?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
The thing is too is Christy Charlington has huge eyes,
so like when she puts makeup on, you can like boom,
they pop. She and Naomi Campbell split the lip syncing duties,
as George Michael implores is to understand that there's someone
else he's got to be And sometimes the clothes do
not make the man.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Do we think he's trying to say something? Is there
subtext here?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Okay? I had this moment this morning thinking about it
because obviously I was a child. Yeah, this came out.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I know I'm remembering it wrong because I could not
have known any of the context. I could not have known,
I could not have understood George Michael is gay and
in closeted and in pain, and this is a bit
of a coming out song. But that's how I remember
it so much now that I in my brain ten
year old me was like, got it, yeay, queen, got.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It work, slay the house down, boots.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think the presence of supermodels. Sure, I'm not kidding,
the presence of supermodels. These lyrics, By the way, the
song is a banger. These lyrics will break your heart. Yeah,
it is such a sad song. He's basically begging us
to love him. He's like, if I become the real
version of me, will you reject me?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Please?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Don't, please don't. I want to stay. Yeah, remember that
I'm a great artist.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh, it's so beautiful and it's so great and like, anyway,
what was your question?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I forgot your question? What was your question?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Is George Michael does he have a point? Is he
trying to say something? No? No, okay, no, thank you.
It's all about which is about which is good enough?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
We're selling eyeliner here.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
We are looking for a Sephora sponsorship. If anyone has
any contacts, please let them know that we don't have
a big reach, but we have big hearts.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah we do.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, all right. The chorus starts all of our
model's lips saying freda. Meanwhile, George Michael's leather jacket so
crucial to his public image, the one he wore in
the faith video, spontaneously combusts in his closet. Ex They
don't even have Christy Turlington holding a lighter up. It
(18:14):
just it just catches fire, clows up, it just goes up.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's I mean, I don't mean, it's in the closet
right and it fucking lights up in flames.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So the second verse kicks on heaven nose. We sure
had some fun boy what a kick? Just a buddy?
And me? What what house a buddy? And you had
a kick?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Exqueeze me now, yeah, I've had a couple.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Of kicks with buddies. Yep. We meet a couple more
male models. Every time a new man was introduced A.
I thought they were the same person, ah and B.
I was surprised when I found out they weren't. Like
how many male models are in this video that I
fully blocked out.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Four Yea, the answer is four.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
There's four men that I forgot existed in this video.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yep. One of them is hanging upside down and one
of those things, like those things that like they put
weights on your ankles and hang upside down you do
up to like, yeah, uh huh, there's that one. The
other one is just poor man.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Do you know any hours he had to be in
that fucking thing just for this video?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, Tom Cruise saw this video and I was like,
I want to do that for the rest of my career.
The other one is just lying on the floor turning
a lamp off and on.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
See Now, how did he get that gig? That's not fair.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
He's also he's really good looking at that one. I'm
down for that one.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Honestly. I think they're all good looking, don't. I do
not see your like nitpicking of these men.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Well, look, we're talking about eights and above. But we're
talking about eights and.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Above, there's still a hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
There is still a basement.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I think about this video sometimes and I'm like, some
of them really had a fucking easy ass job. Like
I'm just gonna lay here, yeah, and flick a thing
on and on. I'm just gonna stand and walk around
on Naomi Campbell and then they're like, I.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Chris, Cindy Crawford, here's what we're gonna need you to do.
It's going to be so cold.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's gonna be so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So uncomfortable, it's gonna look weird at first, and you're
gonna have to your neck is gonna have to go
back in a way that is so counterintuitive to your anatomy.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, you know when you're in a salon and you
have to lay your head back so they can wash
your hair. We're gonna do that, but with less support.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Have you seen The Exorcist? Yeah, we're gonna need that.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
We're gonna need a Linda Blair style.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
And genuinely watching this video for the first time, I
was like, damn, Sidney Crawford was definitely the most famous.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
She was given the hardest part.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
She was Yeah, okay. So now is the moment in
the song where we see Cindy Crawford. She is lounging
in a bathtub. Diaphanous white curtains are blowing around her.
Her head is all the way back over the rim
of the tub, and she's lip syncing with her face
essentially upside down.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It looks cool as hell, it does, yes, but my god,
that poor woman.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
David Fincher was like, look, I know this sucks, but
I promise you look incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
She's like, I know, I look incredible.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Sidey Crawford. I sneezed yesterday. I accidentally took a picture
of myself while sneezing. You know what, I looked fucking
amazing mid sneeze.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
So she's doing that thing that models look cool, and
they're doing it. She's like softly rubbing her hands all
over her face and body and the rest of us
all looks stupid. Yeah, but she looks amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
She did I think the only models can get away
with where she's topless but covering her tits with her arms.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And it doesn't look stupid.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Uh huh. She lip syncs the second verse with with
these two other men.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
The pre chorus kicks on again and we cut to
Tatiana patits.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
That's how I've been saying it with I.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Honestly, this is going to be a controversial statement. Paul
Best Face of the supermodels.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Oh no, no.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Linda Vangelisa like, but I know, and I know, but
look at her again.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
This woman is the best face.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I just looked at her a couple of times and
I can't agree.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
This is a goddess. This one's a goddess.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Again. Now we're talking about women, We're talking about twellows
and above fifteen.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, I know, I know that's a controversial statement, but
I think she's got the best face. So she is
in a leopard print robe joining Cindy and the men
in their lip sync. We also need another hot just
lounging in an empty fireplace.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
He's my favorite one. It's like, poor little lost fireplace boy,
what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Do you think he fell down the fireplace?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
He was like a Saint nick It was like a
Saint Nicholas role play. And he was like, oh, it's.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Like Derek Zoolander. Even when he falls he lands in
a post.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Huh. He does throw a paper plane, so maybe that's
an SOS like he's broken his legs. Like, hell, I'm
stuck in the fireplace.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Bitch, get out of the top and help me. The
chorus hits.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
We see the the iconic jukebox from the Faith video.
If you're too young to know this video and you're like,
what is she talking about, please do yourself a favor
watch this one. But also watch the Faith music video
because it's fucking excellent.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And it directly influences this one.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
And it isn't This is the answer to that. Yeah, right,
So we see the juke box that start that was
in that video.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It fucking explodes. He's like, I'm done. I am absolute
done every.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Time with freedom. Boom boom.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I am no longer that guy. I Am going to
be my authentic fucking self.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Uh So we hit the bridge. Well, it looks like
the road to heaven, but it feels like the road
to hell. Images are stuck. Now they start flying fast, right,
things are happening. We're getting just glimpses of supermodels. This
is the second thing that I definitely did not remember
in this movie. Linda Evangelista and Christy Turlington are lounging
on the ground together. They prick their fingers and they
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suck the blood out of their fingers.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
They do like a blood coven packed thing, which I
suspected all the supermodels were in. Yeah, and now I
have proof. This is a goddamn coven. I want in
you guys.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Just to be clear, I'm not judging. Yeah, I don't
even need to be part of the actual coven. Just
let me be a familiar come on.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah. One of the lines in this part is when
you shake your ass. They noticed fast some mistakes were
built to last. I'm like that that has to be
about like being called gay, right, it has to.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
But also I was thinking about it too in terms
of the women who are featured in the video. Sure
how the lyrics hit them too, of like I have
become an object because my life is being an object.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah I have.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I am a fucking person.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, I have a soul and thoughts and opinions.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I that that line to this time for me hit
me with like, oh, I wonder how the women felt
when they heard that line, Like they must have thought
that was really fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So we're still in the bridge. Tatiana Patitz is smoking
a cigarette. One of the men walks around in a
pair of frankly not tight enough boxers. What were the
nineties doing? You're giving me male model ass and I
can make no shapes.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Out those are don't be ass boxers.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
You're right, because he's like when they shake your ass
and then they cut to that guy's ass and he
like scratches his butt.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, it's like the only scratches his upper thought.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
The only moment of levity actually in the video is
that moment.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It's like, haha, but I'm like, get some tirer pants, man.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, come on, let me see it. Christy Turlington takes
the first part of the bridge. She's lip sinking while
prowling across the floor and a slash of light is
a illuminating her eyes and then her mouth like it's
just it's just enough to like see a little bit iconic.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, this is the moment if you if you haven't
seen the video in twenty years.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
This is the one.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
This is what you remember. Agreed, Yeah, agreed, that's what
you get.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Uh huh kits And all the supermodels are flip sinking
for their lives.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yes, Erica. Five supermodels stand before you. Prior to tonight,
they were asked to prepare lip sync performance of Freedom
ninety by George Michael. This is their last chance to
impress you and save themselves from elimination. So who fucked
it up? Who sachets is away.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Excellent.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Thank you, Wigsnatch, Whigsnatch.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I'm going to see at least two wig snatches.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
For my money. The consistently best lip syncer in the
entire thing, the one who like emotes fully the whole time.
I think it's Cindy Crawford.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
She's also given the hardest lyrics. Yes, she's really She's
really good at this, you guys.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, But I it's hard to say because Linda of
Angelissa has a lot to do in the video as well.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I think they're all doing great, honestly.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
But yeah, Sidney Crawford is given the like fast part
of a song, and not only she's doing it like perfectly,
but she's still like in that like exercist.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Position where all the blood is rushing to her brain.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
She's still like a yoga pose.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Seconds away from passing out.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Meanwhile, Linda v Angelica's curled up comfortably on the floor
be like ho hum, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And Naomi Campbell's just like walking around the house, so
that's what you get, hits, And Sidney Crawford's in a
mirror Naomi Campbell's striking poses. Linda of Angelisa has like
pulled the sweater over her head like Claire Dane's in
My Soul called Life. And honestly, it's such a good shot.
I'm not even mad at it.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Christy Turlington has bangs all of a sudden, because that's
what the coven will do.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's right, they can make you grow bangs.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
That freedom hits again and George Michael's guitar explodes and
again and then three times.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yes, so good.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
We are immolating our past self.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
The song starts to play out. As we returned to
the laser reading the CD, we hear a whistling sound.
Linda Evangelista's radiator tea is ready. She stands up and
she goes to have a nice kuppa as the song
in the video fade out. Amazing, Amazing. That is gay pride.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
That is gay pride. That is gay ride in a
southern Gothic mansion. That is gay pride. What do we
think the mansion represents the like house crumbling around these
beautiful people as they're.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Like their facades, like their public facades. I think, crumbling
down around them and then breaking free of it.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, I think that or like the world, the industry,
like what have you like? Just bigger institutions around them
are literally coming apart and they're just sitting here like
trying to break out.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, it's very cool, man, it's fabulous. This video is perfect.
It is a perfect piece of art.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's perfect, it's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It looks like it truly does it?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Truly truly does?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Paul?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
How should we.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Rank Freedom ninety one to ten, ash shakings one to ten,
exploding jukeboxes.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
One to ten, barn doors on Christy Turlington, Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
One to ten. Cidey Crawford chiropractor appointances, that one.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That one, that one, Cindy Crawford chiropractor appointments.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Fucking ten. I'm gonna tell you right now. Oh maybe
a little more diversity would have been nice. Sure, I'll
give it because I'm looking for flaws. Yeah, a little
like we have Naomi Campbell fucking excellent, but maybe maybe
an Asian model. Maybe put fucking Tyson Beckford in your video.
He's a star in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Jamon Hunsu Jaimin.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Haunsu another like male model star in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I will say that those five women were not cast.
They were chosen because they were the five women on
the Vogue cover, right, So so that is who they.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Were, Like, oh, that's true.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's because of who they were that they were cast.
Not he didn't just choose one black model and then
the industry, the world chose Anna Wintour chose one black model.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
No, but you're absolutely right. I get so the female
casting I totally get. But then again, diversify the males.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, we all forgot them anyway.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
We would not have forgotten Tyson Beckford is Dragon Huntsu.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
That's true, that's true, wouldn't have I just like.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Want to point out, like, like what really watched the
video again?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It gave me like joy watching it gives. It really gives.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
With it's heavy topics, it's very serious, it's very dark,
but it is there's a joy to it that like it.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's so lovely and so wonderful.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah. Ten out of ten, ten out of ten. Cindy
Crawford Chiropractor Appointments for Freedom ninety Stick Around. We're gonna
come right back and we're gonna take you through Physical
by Olivia Newton John And we're back all right, So
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we're going we're going back back back in time, even
further back than nineteen ninety Erica because the video that
I chose was Physical by Olivia Newton John. And and
actually this video was requested by Alisa. Alisa, you kind
of inspired this episode because we were looking for a
shorter form thing to do, and you requested this at
just the right moment and you came through for us.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So thank you, a Lisa, Thank you. I I would
talk about music videos all day. I grew up on these, So.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
If anyone has any other ideas for stuff like that,
let us know. Maybe maybe we'll find a way to
do them. Who knows, all right? Erica Physical by Olivia
Newton John was released in September of nineteen eighty one.
The song was written by Steve Kipner and Terry Shaddock.
It was directed by Brian Grant. The vocals were by
Olivia Newton John. The song's guitar solo was performed by
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Steve lukeyther, a founding member of Toto.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I just want to point out there were two songwriters. Yeah,
two people wrote these lyrics.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
YEP, and Toto played on them. Toto I touched the
reins down in Africa.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah yeah. Physical rose to number one and stayed there
for ten weeks the most of any single in the
nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Damn, isn't that insane?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
That is insane.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
If you asked me what song was the like, had
that like distinction, I would have gotten to like thirty songs.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, before I guessed Physical.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I have to be honest. I mean, if you guessed
every single Madonna's single that came out in the eighties
before this is Michael.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Jackson singles, Yeah, Madonna, Yeah, one hundred percent, I was like, Wow,
Physical Oker. It was Olivia Newton John's obviously biggest hit.
Even though it was banned in some markets due to
its very suggestive lyrics, it denoted a change in Newton
John's public image, moving her from good girl next door
to sex symbols.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
She looks sexy in this in this video. It's funny
because it's it's almost like a like a push pull,
because she's still Olivia Newton John and she is very girl.
Next to her, she's Sandy Dombrowski, just something very wholesome,
of that very wholesome, but she looks really sexy and
gorgeous in this video. Uh, Erica, did you know the
song was originally offered to my Goddess Tina Turner. She
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turned it down.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Tina. You know, Tina would rock the shit out of this.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
She would rock the shit out of it. And look,
nineteen eighty was not a high point in her career.
She may she may have made a bad decision on
this one.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I mean, but it wouldn't have sounded the poppy the
way she is.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's answer, it would have had like like it would
have been slower probably, I'm guessing, and had like a
lot of like grit to it.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, a lot of sex. Yeah, yeah, this is a
This song is a little bit like I'm horned up,
but also I've maybe never had sex before.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
There is an innocence to it.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, yeah, like maybe I don't actually know what sex is,
but I think I want it.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Paul, we normally ask each other when did you first
see this video? You see this film?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I'm gonna ask you first because my answer will blow
your goddamn minds Okay, Paul, when did you first see
the video for Physical?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I don't remember obviously, As as we've said, I did
not have MTV at this time. I mean, I don't
even know if I MTV existed in September of ninety
eighty one. It did, it did? Okay, So I'm guessing
that I first saw this video at some point in
a gay bar in my twenties. That's kind of my guests.
Oh sure, and it was in the zeitgeist enough that
I feel like when I first saw it, I already
knew about it. Yeah, and you know, for lack of
(33:08):
a better term, the twist. It's three and a half
minutes long, and there's a couple of narrative changes that
maybe don't see coming. Yeah. So but I remember thinking
it was fun and and it it. I don't want
to say it was important, but like, there's gay representation
in this video in nineteen eighty one by a major
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pop star.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
That is a lot. Actually, it's quite a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, how about you?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So, okay, let me take you back to another time,
a simpler time. It's the I don't know when, early nineties. Again,
I'm an MTV kid. I watched a lot of it
growing up. I wasn't watching it in nineteen eighty one
because it was too little, but I certainly was watching
it when a little television program called Beavis and butt
Head first aired. Okay, So I don't know if you
know this because I don't think a lot of people
(33:54):
know this, but Beavis and Butthead started out as a
sketch on MTV where like they would want watch music
videos and kind of laugh and like.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Right, and they're seeing Katya.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
They're Tricksy and Katya.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
They're Mystery Science Theater three thousand, but like a stoner
mentality version of that, like a very young male viewers.
This is who they were trying to get in, like
watching this, right, I watched it from the jump and
this was the first I had to look this up
because I was like, is it possible that this is
the first time I've seen this video?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And I'm not wrong.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
It is the first video to air on Beavis and Butthead.
Really this is the opening video on Beavis and butt Head.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Damn Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
So I saw this for the first time.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I'm ninety percent sure while watching Beavis and Butthead.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
That's like my greatest love born for my greatest tape.
To be clear, I've never seen Beavis and Butthead, but
Erica has assured me I would hate it.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you'd hate it
on like an offended level. I think you would just
be bored and annoyed by by house right because it's
a little slow, very fat. I didn't love it myself,
I have to be honest, but I did watch it.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, all right, shall we go through physical sure? All right, Erica,
We open in a tiled gym. You heard me, It
is a sauna that they are using as a gym.
I will take no questions. That is what this is.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
We need to steam you guys.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, we see a number of faceless, bethonged, oiled up,
beautiful men using the various gym machines. We don't see
their faces. They're just riding bikes, they're lifting weights, they're
jumping rope, they're using that stretchy accordion thing that I
don't know what it's called. I'm here to tell you
that if you think that there is no variety available
(35:33):
in thongs, this video is here to prove you wrong.
Because the amount of coverage provided by a speedo is
not a lot. Nope, However, the amount of coverage provided
by a thong a true banana hammock, one in which
the thought is to allow the penis and scrotum to
lounge as a body would lounge in a hammock, of
which there is a close up in the first four
(35:53):
seconds of this video is a very different proposition.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Ha ha ha.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I wish you had I've seen this as a kid,
because this would have blown your fuck.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
It would have it really would have. There's also like
the I look this up. It is apparently called the
vibrating belt machine that they jiggle your ass and supposedly
the vibration helps you lose weight. That's going on one
of these guys and his ass is just like wow.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
It's so hot.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yep, it's and like it's a close, tight closeup of
a man's ass as it jiggles. This could not be
more gig correct.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Interspersed with these images are close ups of Olivia Newton John.
She is rocking a white head band. She is looking
incredible with like a shaggy pixie cut. Is that what
that would be called? I guess yeah, yeah, Olivia Newton John,
it must be recognized and acknowledged. Early in this recap
is horned up. She wants to fuck. She is Sarah
Michelle Gellar in cruel intentions. I want to fuck. Okay,
(36:51):
that's what's happening here. One of the men punches a
speed bag and Olivia Newton John launches into the verse.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
This reminded me so much of the film Perfect with
Jamie Lee Curtis and Olivia Newton John's Bessie John Travolta.
But I had to look it up. Do you know
if that movie came up before or after this video?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I do not know. I know people have requested us
to do that movie.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah on the podcast, because I if you had asked
me again five minutes ago, which which one preceded the other,
I would have said the movie came first, and then this.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Video is like a parody of that Wrong. This video
is four years earlier than that movie.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So this video actually maybe affected that film, I.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Think, I genuinely think.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
So, okay, really, I mean, aerobics was such a thing
back then, so like there were plenty of like influences
and test pigns, but like I just it just feels pointed, honestly. Okay,
So Olivia Newton John is walking through this forest of
studs and she's saying, I took you to an intimate restaurant,
then to a suggestive movie. There's nothing left to talk
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about unless it's horizontally. She put the whore in horizontally.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
She's gonna, what's the Margaret show joke? She's got build
one of those pits and cover it with leaves over
her vagina, so the men just fall in, fall in.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
We get a better look at her outfit, which is
a pair of tights in a color that one could
only describe.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
As Telly from Sesame Street. Purple.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yes, a white leotard, and then a blue sky blue
shirt tied in the front.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
True eighties fashion icon. Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Her socks, of course match her blue shirt, and she's
obviously wearing kids because because what is a better shoe?
Did you exercise in kids?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Get what you want in an exercise shoe is something
that genuinely provides no support.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
No support, you want your ankles to fall apart. This
second year, they hit the pavement.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yes, when she hits the chorus, she invites us to
let's get there's it, Go, there's a go. We cut
to a wide shot, and suddenly all of our studs
have been replaced by less studley men, perhaps men on
the beginning of their fitness journeys.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Significantly older than the youth we saw.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, Olivia Newton John tries to engage with them, but
they're like really focused on how much they hate all
of these machines and hate exercise, which I did appreciate. Yeah,
there is one moment where there's a guy on a
treadmill and he's running on it in bare feet, which
I'm like, that's sir, that's just a bad idea.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
I was like, is no one taught any of these people. Also,
the outfits are making them wear I get it, it's
a joke. It's a joke on like the banana hammocks.
Like they're wearing their their gym shorts horked up all
the way to their nipples.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
The icon that's on the bike with his those jim
shorts literally at nipple high.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I was waiting to see balls.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I was looking for them, and I'm like, I don't
know how, but there's no No taint is shown in
the course of this video.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
The actors are all clowning about in a very over
the top way with their exhaustion, their lack of understanding
how to use the machines. It doesn't age so well.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
This is such a fucking massive burn on straight men.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
No, it's not a fat Joe. I mean it is
a little bit of a fat joke, right, does an
age super well. But honestly, what I think the video
is trying to tell us is like what she is
dreaming of.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Are these men who know how to work the machines, who.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Are clean, who are hygienic, who are you know, gorgeous
and oiled up and like ready to party and like
want her and what she's getting in the world.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Are these like schlubby guys who don't know how.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
To work the equipment, wink wing, who are barely participating,
who don't want to be touched by her. She keeps
like trying to adjust them and they're like, ah, don't
touch me. It's just a huge, massive burn on straight guys.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Right, That's what this video is, I think. So yeah,
we hit the second.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Verse and Olivia Newton John is cornered one of these
poor men on the massage table.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I don't know what to make of the sequence. Honestly,
it's not offensive. It's just like there are choices that
are about to be made.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
He's just trying to take a nap. He's just trying
to take a nap at the gym, as one does.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
By the way, still in the same room, the little
child sauna.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
She shakes him awake by his feet, telling him that
she's been patient and good, but he brings out the
animal in her.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
It's giving fried green tomatoes. It's giving that. It's giving
that marriage and fried green tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Where she opens the door wearing saran wrap and her
husband's like, you used up all the saran wrap. The
man in the video can't help but be flattered, so
she throws some lotion on his back, does a very
cursory and I have to say, painful looking massage. She
throws elbows, you know what I'm saying, Like that does
not look good, and then loses.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Control due to overwhelming horniness.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Oh, mama, the mylans. Mama, they're a fire.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
They're on a fire. She says.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
The line in the in the one of the lyrics
is I tried to keep my hands on the table.
It's getting hard this holding back, You know what I mean?
This is at this point. Right when the song was written,
they weren't envisioning this mediu They were thinking of like
a couple at a restaurant or a bar or something.
But now that they've stuck it in a gym, they
we need a table.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
What can one do it?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Can we do?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
What? Can one do? It? A gym that involves a
table massage? This is shoehorned in so hard.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So she starts slamming this poor guy into the table,
then climbs on top of him and starts frankly riding
him like a horse.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
He is still face down, which lends credence to my
theory of she wants to have sex but maybe doesn't
know how it works.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Haha.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
She's like, I think the woman gets on top right
when the man's turned around perfect. He does not look
like he's enjoying this. This is not enthusiastic consent. This
is not that we're getting here.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah. Second chorus, Olivia Newton John, let's get there's a goal,
there's a goal. Olivia Newton John is leading the men
in an eighties aerobics class, during which they are so
uncoordinated they wind up knocking themselves out. This is look
that the actors are clearly being told to go wildly
over the top. They're making faces, they are clowning around
(42:51):
like and I think that's the right choice, Like, you're
not supposed to take this seriously at all.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, No, it's just the most tongue in cheek. That
is never tongue in cheek.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yes, Olivia Newton John turns around, is shocked. There's no
one left to service her needs. They're all unconscious on
the floor.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Did she hate when that happens?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I hate that.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Guitar solo.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I touched the reins down and as Africa. You know what?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
That song doesn't age well, but fuck it, it's It's perfect.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's a banger.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
No, No, two white guys singing about how they are Africa. Yes,
someone air guitars in that stretchy accordion thing.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Don't know what it's called.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I know what it's called, but I know it's for
your pecks. I do know that it's just strengthen your pecks.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Olivia Newton John heads into the shower, fully clothed, because again,
what is life?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
She tries to wash this horniness away.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Mama, please, mamma, ny help girl.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
There aren't enough cold showers in the world. This woman
is she's writing a man on a massage table.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, she's humping him like a pillow.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Meanwhile, while she's in the shower, the men in the
gym transformed back into studs. Yep, I was trying to
follow the threat. So why they're suddenly like the men
of her dreams?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Again? Is it because she's rubbing one out like in
the shower?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I was kind of like, is it because she's not
in front of them so she's free to fantasize about
them again?
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Uh huh?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Right? But I have to say my favorite one. It's
the first one. There's this guy. He's and they keep
the clothes essentially the same. So there's this guy, yeah,
and he's like rubbing his belly like, you know, very proudly,
which is very charming I find. And he transforms into
the stud. But the stud is wearing this thing. It
looks like a gay fever dream Marvel superhero Ninja outfit.
(44:37):
Like it's it's a red half shirt just under his
nipples and then the twists of fabric around his biceps
and a speed up.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Olivia Newton John comes back into the tile gym in
tennis whites. She's she's lost her sexiness, she's she's given up.
She is greeted by this morgas board studliness. She is lighted.
This is what she wanted all along. She walks around,
she is admiring all this oiled up men. She is
trying to get their attention, but no, mama, the fire's burning.
(45:11):
The men's are paying me no mind, mama.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Hah.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
They're more interested in themselves and their own muscles and
the camera. They just ignore her. They're not quite spiking
the camera, but they're coming really close to just being
like looking at themselves at the camera.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah, honestly, like, what what is the narrative thread here?
Is it that men? Men are terrible? No matter what happened.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I'm not sure yet. Let's see what we come to
the end, Let's finish it, and then then that's canonically
decide what this video is.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Trying to tell us it was actually about. She walks
to the side.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
She's begging them, let me hear your body talk, body talk.
So the men make a statement, They look at her.
Then they pair off, holding hands uh huh, and walk
away into the changing rooms.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Or whatever another child room in which who knows what
they might do together.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, this is why this is why this gym is
tiled easy to clean.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
It's in the west village.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
They walk away together, leaving her alone with just her
tennis racket wound up tighter than she is, except wait,
she's not alone. All the studs left together, arm in arm.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
You have to blow each other.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
I want to be extremely clear.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
If in case you haven't seen the video in a while,
it is telling you these men are together, like there's
no way you could look at it and be like, well,
but maybe they're just no. It's very clear what the
video is saying. In nineteen eighty one, which I think
is pretty incredible.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
She became a gay icon off this music video, and
she was a very good gay icon, to be clear.
She was an ally and all that stuff, but like
she never had to do anything ever again. She could
have done nothing.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Came for a drink ever again in her life.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
So okay, So the men walk away hand in hand
and she's all alone except wait, she's not alone.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
There's one man left.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
He may not be oiled, he may not be muscled
up for the gods, he may be a little bit
schlubby m hm, but he is interested yep. And so
she smiles at him, and the two of them walk
off together with their tennis rackets. Yep, going to play
tennis again. Now they've lost me again to read his life, like, wait,
what is tennis supposed to mean?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I think that maybe it's saying like, even if someone
doesn't look exactly what you're thinking of, they're still worthwhile,
because maybe you could say, like, in the first part,
she's looking at them and that's why, like she's seeing
them as clowns. Yeah, and then after she comes back,
sheees like the men that she thinks she wants, but
(47:39):
oh wait, they're actually all fucking each other, so like
it doesn't quite all work.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
I mean, honestly, this is so hard to parse, Like
what the fuck is this video trying to tell us?
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Because honestly, look, I would never want the game moment
to be taken out of this video, but the message
would be clear if it was taken out. It would
be like, Yeah, these these men who are so interested
in themselves and what they look like are not interested
in you. Yeah, and making them gay is wonderful and
iconic and a fucking moment in pop culture and it
was perfect and don't take it away, but we're just
(48:09):
talking about narratively. Yeah, it gives them another reason to
not be interested in her, right, So the comment on
body type and body stereotypes and all that is kind
of lost in the beautiful, wonderful, perfect game moment that
makes sense, that.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Makes total sense, and actually you've made it make more
sense than I have just in my brain walk like
what is this about?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
It's also like when you think about it, like freedom
ninety is six minutes long. This is a tight three
and a half, Like it is almost half the like
the other one.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
They get and they get out.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah yeah, uh, Erica, How should we rank physical one
to ten? True banana hammocks one to ten, chiled rooms
one to ten metal, stretchy things.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
To work out your pecks, peck accordions, pack accordians, accordions.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
P accordions, let's do that accordions. Okay, all right, do
you want to go first? Or shall I you go first?
Speaker 2 (49:02):
On this one?
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Okay, this is not a ten out of ten. I
don't think. I don't think the fat jokes in this
are the point, but they are there a little bit.
It needs a little bit of a bad taste in
my mouth. I'm very glad. The final beat is her
like looking at one of the overweight men as a
person and smiling and then walking off together like seemingly happy. Right,
Like that's it. That does help the kind Some of
(49:24):
the fat jokes in the beginning. Yeah, the game moment,
if you watch it now, is nothing compared to what
we've seen. I mean, Fellow Travelers has come out. Jonathan
Bailey is sucked Matt Bohmer's toes. But like in nineteen
eighty one, it was it was important, like it was
a thing and it was important, and she did it.
She decided like, yes, this is going in my video, right,
(49:44):
she could have cut it at any moment. I think overall,
it's still ages pretty well. I think the only thing
to complain about is the kind of somewhat questionable treatment
of the fat jokes in the beginning. But Olivia Newton
John is such an icon. It's a banger. It's a
fun song, like it's a fun, silly song, and it's
clearly like even even the studley men are also made
(50:08):
fun of, to be clear, like that they're preening and
like they're not clowning in the same way, but you're
meant to kind of you're meant to be impressed by
their bodies, but also like you have like objectified, they're objectified.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Yeah, video, she's kind of like she like her head
pops up between someone's eighes and like her head pops
up in front of this man's bicep. You don't see
any faces in the beginning of the video. You just
see body parts. That's all she's really looking at and
like Dong dong, so much dong and like like that
dude's ass cheeks shaking like it's it's very objectified, so
(50:40):
that like it kind of it comes for all of them,
it for all of us.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yes, it's a great representation of female horniness, which I
know you appreciate.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I do love female horning.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
You love female horniness. I'm going to give it an eight,
an eight out of ten paccordions pacordions, Uh huh, yeah, yeah,
how about you?
Speaker 3 (50:58):
What do you think You warned me ahead of time
before I watched it this morning, to be like, there's
there's some stuff you may not age twelve, And I
saw immediately what you were talking about. But honestly, maybe
because I was warned ahead of time, I was like, oh,
this it's goofy and silly, but it's not anything.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
It is pitched very silly, to be clear, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Pitched very, very silly, and like, look, I hate to
have a double standard out there, but I'm gonna have
a double standard out there, and like, if.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
This were women, i'd feel differently.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Sure, because it's men, I feel like less abused by
this situation. So because men aren't like usually objectified this much,
it's shocking to see this much objectification.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Again, I'm I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
I only saw this music video when I was in
my teens, because when I was little, they probably only
aired it at like nine o'clock. Oh totally, yeah, it
which is weird because it's such a wholesome, fun video.
There's not it's not sexy in the way you think
when you think sexy, I don't think so anyway.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
No, but back then, anything gay was a Bryant, not
just anything. We killed Anita Bryant with the power of
our minds.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Yeah, good for us with our coven happy pride. But
it's not just the gay thing. It's like like close
ups of penises I don't think was being in music
videos then.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
And it's not many, but that first one in that
white thong, I was like, oh my god, that's VPL
Like you're.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Seeing quite a lot of VP.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, a lot of that man's penis.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
So again, like the objectification of men simply does not
bother me as much.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
As the objectification of women.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Hey, you've had to deal with a double standard for years.
You get to impose a.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Do I care?
Speaker 1 (52:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (52:39):
So okay, you gave it an eight.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
I give it an eight.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
I am because I'm a little more sensitive to the
topic for reasons. I'm going to give it a seven
because I do agree that, like, body shaming is probably
never okay with a big giant asterisk to be like, however,
with this video, I'm sure did for the gay community
in nineteen. This is a kind of a on the soul,
I think, yeah, a little bit. So I'm gonna give
(53:04):
it a seven. But in my heart, spiritually I'm honestly
giving it a ten.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, No, spiritually ten. But like I'm just trying to
I'm trying to be an honest broker here.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Look, we're just trying to be good
stewards to twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
And to be fair, none of the men are they're
all white. We could have had some diversity in the
casting too.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
I think when you're objectifying people this, oh that's good point.
Probably good just to keep everyone white.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
That is a fair, fair point.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Good call Erica because then you got other dicey shit happening.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough, all right, everyone, that's you.
That's your gay Pride episode. Happy Pride, Happy Pride.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Everyone, Go listen to some amazing music that yeah makes
you happy.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Go dance, Go, be free and happy and joyful in
whatever queer identity you claim. And if you don't claim
a queer identity, you're boring and basic. No I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Everyone claims a queer identity at this point.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
At this point, at this point, you better be Come on.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
No one's a zero or a ten.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
I've added some numbers to the kindy scale.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
By the way, we will be back next week with
a full length, full size standard episode. We hope you
all have a wonderful last week of June.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
Happy Pride, y'all, Happy.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Pride will not give you up.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
You gotta have something sound. It's the one good thing
that I got that won't let you down and will
not be because I would really really love to stick around.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Oh yeah, lyrics to physical really did not need to
be looked up.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
No, those are pretty those are pretty straightforward.
Hey, listeners, I am just dropping in before the episode
to let you know that friend of the show, Joe Piazza,
has a new book that is coming out on July
fifteenth called Everyone Is Lying to You, which everyone might be,
but I'm not right now, this is true. This is real. Look,
longtime listeners of this show know that I have a
very hard rule that I only read books about gay people.
(00:22):
But I broke my own rule and I read Joe's book,
and I have to say, she reminded me that sometimes
stories about straight people can be fun too, And also
this one has a great power lesbian supporting character, so
I didn't break my rule that much anyway. Everyone Is
Lying to You as a murder mystery. It's set in
the world of like trad wife social media influencing and
has a lot to say about the struggles of being
(00:42):
a mother and what the hell social media is doing
to all of our brains. Despite what I just said,
it is a ton of fun. There are a few
chapters of set up, and then the train takes off
and it doesn't stop until you get to the very
last epilogue. Pop culture Touchsdownes. This book made me think
of Lawn Autero SVU Beaches Nancy Drew a simple favor
and I've never actually seen it, but obviously the Secret
(01:04):
Lives of Mormon Wives kind of fits in here too.
If you like these things, I think you're going to
like this book. You're going to be out ahead of
the eventual mini series that Netflix is going to turn
it into in a couple of years. My choice of
the lead character would be Gretel Lee or Jenny Slate.
Maybe they will be in the conversation for an Emmy
nomination for playing the lead. It's really fun. So if
this sounds like your jam, you can pre order the
(01:25):
book from your local bookstore. You can pre order the
audiobook if that's how you roll. You can pre order
your ebook. You may be able to put it on
pre hold at your local library if that's how you
do things. I'm not sure about that one, but libraries
are so cool. I bet you can do it anyway.
In case you don't know, pre orders are super important
to the book biz because it demonstrates interests of the work.
Some more copies are ordered, etc. Etc. Capitalism. So I
(01:47):
would just here to say, if you're looking for a
great beat, read this summer. I know Joe would super
appreciate you pre ordering. Everyone is lying to you by
Joe Piazza. And also fun fact, one branch of my
family their last name is Piazza, so it's possible that
Joe and I are related way back in the Old Country.
So if it sounds good, please give it a pre order. Okay,
(02:07):
on with the show. I have to tell you a
story about one of our friends. I can't name them, okay,
and they do listen so they will know that I'm
telling this story, but I will not gender or name
this person because this story is too good to not tell.
(02:31):
This person called me and announced that they had come
up with a scheme because they hate when they go
to Starbucks and are asked to tip.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I know exactly who it is.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And they said that if you have a gift card,
you get to bypass the tipping screen. Because I feel
guilty not tipping, but I also don't feel like I
should be obligated to tip given the service that has
been provided to me, So I want to bypass the
tipping screen so I don't feel guilty and I don't
have to tip. So I said, want you to simply
(03:09):
not tip. This feeling of guilt is fake. You're not
required to tip. You're doing exactly what they want you
to do, which you're feeling guilty and then tipping. But instead,
this person said, I'm just going to go buy a
bunch of gift cards from Starbucks and bypass this entire problem. Okay,
(03:30):
and I recently received.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
A text I see some flaws in this plan, by
the way.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
A text from the parking lot of a Starbucks announcing
that this person was putting more money from their phone
onto a gift card so they could then go into
Starbucks to make a purchase.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Is that where the end of the story is, because
I can tell you part two of the story. U.
Part two of the story is when they text you
a week from now and they go.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Fuck, I lost the gift card. Yes right, fuck's I'm
never gonna get back, son of a bitch.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Okay, Look like, look who person who I know in
my bones?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Who this is? I love you?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I love you so much, so much.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Just give a goddamn dollar.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Or don't or don't or don't it's fine enough.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Dollar.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Look this person asked about it. I said, I always
give a dollar.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Because I always give a dollar.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I was in the service industry a long time.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I feel very guilty minimum wage.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, I just give a dollar. But it is also
fair to say, like they should be paid more. It
should not be the responsibility of the consumer to supplement
the shitty wages that the billionaires are paying the working class.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Understood, Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And I was like, it is okay to say no tip.
You are not a bad person if you say no
tip at Starbucks or or anything like that. I did
ask them, do you tip if you go to a
fancy coffee shop with perhaps more skilled baristas working behind
the counter, And they said, I don't go to fancy.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Coffee shops because I'm trying to save a dollar star
up tip by buying.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
A gift card to buy to game the system.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I love you, good lord.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I know I'm getting you for your birthday.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Hey, and this is that aged?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, yesterday's Pop Culture.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Today, Happy Pride Edition.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yes, it's the fifth Monday of June. There's five Mondays
in June, and we're trying something a little different.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, we're celebrating Pride today.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
We're celebrating Pride. We're trying to give a little break
where you know, these long four episodes are a lot.
We're gonna just a little shorter.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
We're gonna talk about some music videos that maybe gave
us an inkling of what pride could look like.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Exactly exactly. We're gonna go one from the eighties and
one from the nineties, but we're gonna do it in
opposite chronological order. Yes, yeah, So our first video that
we're gonna look at is going to be from the nineties,
and it is Erica.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It was my choice, is lady's choice.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So when you gave me the assignment of like, what
music video when you think about like gay culture, gay pride, Yeah,
what's the first video that comes to mind? And I'm
not even sure why this is. I do know why,
but like, well, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Gonna say it because it's also just fucking fantastic.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, the video I've chosen to discuss is George Michael's
Freedom ninety.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Excellent, excellent choice. I was very happy you chose that.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
That's a good music video.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, we were kicking around a few other ones that
I was kept being like, if she doesn't say Freedom ninety,
I'm gonna say Freedom ninety. We have to do Freedom ninety.
This is this is the one. So Freedom ninety was
released in October of nineteen ninety. You see, you see
what that happened. Happened the differentiating from the Ah Don't
Want Joe Freed that he did with Wham. It was
written by George Michael. It was directed by David Fincher.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Heard of him?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Heard of him?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You would ask me who's the director? And I didn't
look it up.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, I mean I looked it up afterwards to be like,
I think I'm right, but I'm like that, screams David
Fincher to me.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, he was everywhere in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Absolutely. It features Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista, Tatiana Patitz, Christy Turlington,
and Cindy Crawford, all of whom were compensated a mere
fifteen thousand dollars a day.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's right, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
There's also male models in the video, which I literally
forgot about until I watched it again this morning, because
if you would ask me yesterday who's in the video,
I would have said those people, And in fact I
also would have said Tyra Banks because in my head,
Tyra Banks too, and I'm wrong that it's a little
too early for Tyra, and then when the men.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Started popping up all like, WHOA, who's that? Did they
make a new video?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I have to be honest, I would have said, oh,
I know exactly's in that video. Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista,
Christy Turlington, and Cindy Crawford. My apologies to Tatiana Patitz.
I don't know if I'm even saying that right. And
all of her family just forgot. I fully forgot she existed,
and I fully forgot she was in this video.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
George Michael refused to appear in the video as part
of his desire to break free from his former image.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
The video is not subtle. Nope, we'll get into it,
but it is not subtle. It is about something he.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Had, something that he wanted to say, and he said it,
yeah multiple times. This is a fun little titbit, a
little titspit about this. Linda Evangelisa apparently at first was
a little hesitant about appearing in the video, and George
Michael was like, oh, it's going to make you into
a big deal, and she was like, bitch, I am
a big deal.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Bitch I am a big deal, which is fair.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
She wasn't all these five women were big deals at
this time. But then she says, little do I know
that to this day, when someone meets me for the
first time, they bring up that video, that is what
they remember. So George was right.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, absolutely, this video was a moment.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, when did you first see it?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I think I saw it when it not at like
the date it aired or whatever. But like I was
a very big MTV kid. I watched a lot of
MTV growing up, and so I would have seen this
in a ninety when it came out. Yeah, I probably
would not have recognized some of the supermodels, but even
at that age, even I would have been like ten
years old, I would have absolutely known who like Cindy
(09:12):
Crawford was, and I probably.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Maybe would have recognized Naomi Campbell.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I feel like those those of the two I would
have recognized after that would have been Linda Evangelista, but
I think that would have been a little more of a.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Stretch, yeah, because I would have been too young.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
They're not as huge breakout stars as this as Sidney Crawford.
I feel like I was born knowing who that woman was.
So yeah, and because I am an MTV kid and
I grew up watching it. I knew all of George
Michael's other videos, so I knew Faith, I knew Father Figure,
and I kind of I knew like some of the
imagery that was brought up in this video.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Did you know wake me up before you go go?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You know what's funny is I don't think so, because
I was too young when that happened and a MTV
was staying current. They weren't looking back, so that's so funny.
I don't think I saw that video until I was
in my twenties, like until YouTube had been invent to
show me that video.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
How about you? When do you think you first saw
this video?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I think I probably saw it at some point in
high school or possibly college. I definitely would not have
seen it nineteen ninety. We didn't have MTV in my
house when at nineteen ninety, so it would not have
it would not have crossed my desk As a ten
year old, I absolutely had a desk and.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
An agenda and a rolodex.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
A rolodex. I had one of those big escritoires desks.
That's the word escritoire thinks. Yeah, I know. I was
super aware of this song in college because me and
A couple of my gay friends would dance to it
all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, sometimes the clothes do not make the man was
the signal for everyone's shirts to come off.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I remember going to like a party, like with people
and like this hit the dance floor and like you
were the first person on the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah for this song.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yes, so around my own freedom from a certain place.
I became super aware of this song and loved it,
Still love it to this day. Still can get a
party started. There are few songs and if you need
someone on the dance floor you can play. There's this one.
There's Gloria by Laura Brownigan. Huh that will bring people
to the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Not a thought of Gloria.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, last dance down a summer.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yep, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, that's good. There's probably some for younger people too.
But I I am who I am.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
We are children of the eighties.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We are children of the eighties.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
For me, it's come on Eileen, Sure, you put come
on Eileen on. I am on the floor.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You know what I will dance to you. It's midnight
train to Georgia. My friend Lisa and I we used
to wait tables together, and she wanted to be glad
at night. So I was the Pips, so I know
all of the Pips stuff. Georgia dead on. All right,
shall we go through freedom ninety?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So we're actually gonna talk through the plot, I suppose
with music videos for lack of a better word, okay,
so Pinston's I chose this one.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I'll start, Guys, watch this video. Yeah, it's so fucking good, and.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I did forget shit in it. I was like, I
know this video perfectly, and there were a like you
said as soon as the men showed up, like who's at.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Literally, and again, I've seen this move this video a lot.
It's got one hundred and fifty one million views on.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
YouTube and you're only responsible for one million of them.
But that's a million views.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah that's me.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Okay, So okay, so we're in let's call it a
Southern Gothic mansion space.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
An abstract theatrical space.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
A glorified ruin.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yes, the vampire less stat would have lived one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
A tea kettle is steaming on the radiator. That's right,
the radiator.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yes, you heard us right.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
We're poor, but rich and gorgeous. We zoom in on
Linda Evangelista.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Damn that face I know, and the hair, everything everything.
She's in a bulky, oversized sweater. This sweater walked so
that all of J crew could run like this sweater
launched a thousand chunky knits. Yeh, she's wearing nothing else.
That's the one thing I can't pull off. She can,
she can, she can pull that one off.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I need pants.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I have to say. In the beginning, I didn't even
realize she was nothing else because she has like pulled
She's sitting down on the floor and her knees are
up and she has it pulled over her knees. Yeah,
And I guess I just didn't look very closely, and
I was like, Oh, that's okay. She's she's wearing pants whatever.
And then at the end of the movie, I was like,
where her pants go? And then I was like, oh, back,
He's like, no, she never had pants. That's the secret.
She never had pants. There is no spoons.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
She's too poor for pants. Correct, So she can't leave
the house.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
She can't make any money off that face.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
She's got to make sure she has enough money for
pants first, because she can leave the house. To be fair,
it's an oversized sweater to the point where like if
she stood up, I don't think we'd see any creature anything.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
No, no, no, I mean she does stand up in
the end, and she's she's fully covered.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
She picks up a remote and hits play.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
We see like a laser disc player, and I was like,
what my brain, my brain went back in time.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
It hits the CD and the opening vamp hits. I
can't do it. I'm not even gonna try.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I'm not going to ruin it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, it's so good. Evangelista poses against the waynscotting in
a blue wash of light, while we also cut.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
To a man who is not George Michael, who I
forgot was in this video, but who kind of looks
enough like George Michael.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That has been half the video going. Was that George Michael,
But he's not.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Here's the key. He's not as good looking as George Michael.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Good look. He's also clearly younger, like much younger. So
I'm like, that can't be George Michael. So they are
lip syncing the opening lines I won't.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Let you down, I will not give you up yep,
and Evangelista joins him for a few of those words. So,
long story short, we got gorgeous people in beautiful locations,
lip syncing the lyrics to the song as the song continues.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yep. The second verse starts Heaven Knows, I was just
a young boy. Right. We cut to Naomi Campbell. She's
in a crop top, boy shorts and like work boots.
She opens this door into a darkened room with a
leaky roof. There's there's water everywhere on the floor. She's
sucking through water.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, someone fixed this woman's house.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
She's dragging her headphone cord through the puddles. She's dancing
along on her large headphones, and Evangelista lip syncs most
of the second verse, with Campbell joining her for a
few lines. Right, so the music is taking hold of them.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yes, the pre chorus kicks in. I think there's something
you should know.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think it's time I told you so.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Something deep inside of me.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
There's someone else I got to be, And we.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Cut to Christy fucking Turlington. Yeah, draped in a sheet.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Oh, kind of like half wedding dress coated, half Greek
goddess coated.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, and also like a woman who just got out
of bed from a tryst, wrapping a sheet around herself.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Like satin luxey sheet.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yes, she can't afford look to light this house, but
she can afford good sheets.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
God damn it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
She has ten thousand threadcut Egyptian sheets.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
She has a leaky roof, but goddamn in her sheet.
The game is on. She walks through another door, her
hair styled back in a sort of like sexy wet look,
and she has, I mean, just a metric ton of
eyeliner and eyeshadow on. But it looks good.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
It looked, it looks look. All of these women can
wear makeup like hell, But I'm like, how is she
even opening her eyes?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
The thing is too is Christy Charlington has huge eyes,
so like when she puts makeup on, you can like boom,
they pop. She and Naomi Campbell split the lip syncing duties,
as George Michael implores is to understand that there's someone
else he's got to be And sometimes the clothes do
not make the man.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Do we think he's trying to say something? Is there
subtext here?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Okay? I had this moment this morning thinking about it
because obviously I was a child. Yeah, this came out.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I know I'm remembering it wrong because I could not
have known any of the context. I could not have known,
I could not have understood George Michael is gay and
in closeted and in pain, and this is a bit
of a coming out song. But that's how I remember
it so much now that I in my brain ten
year old me was like, got it, yeay, queen, got.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It work, slay the house down, boots.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think the presence of supermodels. Sure, I'm not kidding,
the presence of supermodels. These lyrics, By the way, the
song is a banger. These lyrics will break your heart. Yeah,
it is such a sad song. He's basically begging us
to love him. He's like, if I become the real
version of me, will you reject me?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Please?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Don't, please don't. I want to stay. Yeah, remember that
I'm a great artist.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh, it's so beautiful and it's so great and like, anyway,
what was your question?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I forgot your question? What was your question?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Is George Michael does he have a point? Is he
trying to say something? No? No, okay, no, thank you.
It's all about which is about which is good enough?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
We're selling eyeliner here.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
We are looking for a Sephora sponsorship. If anyone has
any contacts, please let them know that we don't have
a big reach, but we have big hearts.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah we do.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, all right. The chorus starts all of our
model's lips saying freda. Meanwhile, George Michael's leather jacket so
crucial to his public image, the one he wore in
the faith video, spontaneously combusts in his closet. Ex They
don't even have Christy Turlington holding a lighter up. It
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just it just catches fire, clows up, it just goes up.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's I mean, I don't mean, it's in the closet
right and it fucking lights up in flames.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So the second verse kicks on heaven nose. We sure
had some fun boy what a kick? Just a buddy?
And me? What what house a buddy? And you had
a kick?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Exqueeze me now, yeah, I've had a couple.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Of kicks with buddies. Yep. We meet a couple more
male models. Every time a new man was introduced A.
I thought they were the same person, ah and B.
I was surprised when I found out they weren't. Like
how many male models are in this video that I
fully blocked out.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Four Yea, the answer is four.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
There's four men that I forgot existed in this video.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yep. One of them is hanging upside down and one
of those things, like those things that like they put
weights on your ankles and hang upside down you do
up to like, yeah, uh huh, there's that one. The
other one is just poor man.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Do you know any hours he had to be in
that fucking thing just for this video?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, Tom Cruise saw this video and I was like,
I want to do that for the rest of my career.
The other one is just lying on the floor turning
a lamp off and on.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
See Now, how did he get that gig? That's not fair.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
He's also he's really good looking at that one. I'm
down for that one.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Honestly. I think they're all good looking, don't. I do
not see your like nitpicking of these men.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Well, look, we're talking about eights and above. But we're
talking about eights and.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Above, there's still a hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
There is still a basement.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I think about this video sometimes and I'm like, some
of them really had a fucking easy ass job. Like
I'm just gonna lay here, yeah, and flick a thing
on and on. I'm just gonna stand and walk around
on Naomi Campbell and then they're like, I.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Chris, Cindy Crawford, here's what we're gonna need you to do.
It's going to be so cold.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's gonna be so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So uncomfortable, it's gonna look weird at first, and you're
gonna have to your neck is gonna have to go
back in a way that is so counterintuitive to your anatomy.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, you know when you're in a salon and you
have to lay your head back so they can wash
your hair. We're gonna do that, but with less support.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Have you seen The Exorcist? Yeah, we're gonna need that.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
We're gonna need a Linda Blair style.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
And genuinely watching this video for the first time, I
was like, damn, Sidney Crawford was definitely the most famous.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
She was given the hardest part.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
She was Yeah, okay. So now is the moment in
the song where we see Cindy Crawford. She is lounging
in a bathtub. Diaphanous white curtains are blowing around her.
Her head is all the way back over the rim
of the tub, and she's lip syncing with her face
essentially upside down.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It looks cool as hell, it does, yes, but my god,
that poor woman.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
David Fincher was like, look, I know this sucks, but
I promise you look incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
She's like, I know, I look incredible.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Sidey Crawford. I sneezed yesterday. I accidentally took a picture
of myself while sneezing. You know what, I looked fucking
amazing mid sneeze.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
So she's doing that thing that models look cool, and
they're doing it. She's like softly rubbing her hands all
over her face and body and the rest of us
all looks stupid. Yeah, but she looks amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
She did I think the only models can get away
with where she's topless but covering her tits with her arms.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And it doesn't look stupid.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Uh huh. She lip syncs the second verse with with
these two other men.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
The pre chorus kicks on again and we cut to
Tatiana patits.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
That's how I've been saying it with I.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Honestly, this is going to be a controversial statement. Paul
Best Face of the supermodels.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Oh no, no.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Linda Vangelisa like, but I know, and I know, but
look at her again.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
This woman is the best face.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I just looked at her a couple of times and
I can't agree.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
This is a goddess. This one's a goddess.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Again. Now we're talking about women, We're talking about twellows
and above fifteen.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, I know, I know that's a controversial statement, but
I think she's got the best face. So she is
in a leopard print robe joining Cindy and the men
in their lip sync. We also need another hot just
lounging in an empty fireplace.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
He's my favorite one. It's like, poor little lost fireplace boy,
what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Do you think he fell down the fireplace?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
He was like a Saint nick It was like a
Saint Nicholas role play. And he was like, oh, it's.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Like Derek Zoolander. Even when he falls he lands in
a post.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Huh. He does throw a paper plane, so maybe that's
an SOS like he's broken his legs. Like, hell, I'm
stuck in the fireplace.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Bitch, get out of the top and help me. The
chorus hits.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
We see the the iconic jukebox from the Faith video.
If you're too young to know this video and you're like,
what is she talking about, please do yourself a favor
watch this one. But also watch the Faith music video
because it's fucking excellent.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And it directly influences this one.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
And it isn't This is the answer to that. Yeah, right,
So we see the juke box that start that was
in that video.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It fucking explodes. He's like, I'm done. I am absolute
done every.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Time with freedom. Boom boom.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I am no longer that guy. I Am going to
be my authentic fucking self.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Uh So we hit the bridge. Well, it looks like
the road to heaven, but it feels like the road
to hell. Images are stuck. Now they start flying fast, right,
things are happening. We're getting just glimpses of supermodels. This
is the second thing that I definitely did not remember
in this movie. Linda Evangelista and Christy Turlington are lounging
on the ground together. They prick their fingers and they
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suck the blood out of their fingers.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
They do like a blood coven packed thing, which I
suspected all the supermodels were in. Yeah, and now I
have proof. This is a goddamn coven. I want in
you guys.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Just to be clear, I'm not judging. Yeah, I don't
even need to be part of the actual coven. Just
let me be a familiar come on.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah. One of the lines in this part is when
you shake your ass. They noticed fast some mistakes were
built to last. I'm like that that has to be
about like being called gay, right, it has to.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
But also I was thinking about it too in terms
of the women who are featured in the video. Sure
how the lyrics hit them too, of like I have
become an object because my life is being an object.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah I have.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I am a fucking person.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, I have a soul and thoughts and opinions.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I that that line to this time for me hit
me with like, oh, I wonder how the women felt
when they heard that line, Like they must have thought
that was really fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So we're still in the bridge. Tatiana Patitz is smoking
a cigarette. One of the men walks around in a
pair of frankly not tight enough boxers. What were the
nineties doing? You're giving me male model ass and I
can make no shapes.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Out those are don't be ass boxers.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
You're right, because he's like when they shake your ass
and then they cut to that guy's ass and he
like scratches his butt.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, it's like the only scratches his upper thought.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
The only moment of levity actually in the video is
that moment.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It's like, haha, but I'm like, get some tirer pants, man.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, come on, let me see it. Christy Turlington takes
the first part of the bridge. She's lip sinking while
prowling across the floor and a slash of light is
a illuminating her eyes and then her mouth like it's
just it's just enough to like see a little bit iconic.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, this is the moment if you if you haven't
seen the video in twenty years.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
This is the one.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
This is what you remember. Agreed, Yeah, agreed, that's what
you get.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Uh huh kits And all the supermodels are flip sinking
for their lives.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yes, Erica. Five supermodels stand before you. Prior to tonight,
they were asked to prepare lip sync performance of Freedom
ninety by George Michael. This is their last chance to
impress you and save themselves from elimination. So who fucked
it up? Who sachets is away.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Excellent.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Thank you, Wigsnatch, Whigsnatch.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I'm going to see at least two wig snatches.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
For my money. The consistently best lip syncer in the
entire thing, the one who like emotes fully the whole time.
I think it's Cindy Crawford.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
She's also given the hardest lyrics. Yes, she's really She's
really good at this, you guys.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, But I it's hard to say because Linda of
Angelissa has a lot to do in the video as well.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I think they're all doing great, honestly.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
But yeah, Sidney Crawford is given the like fast part
of a song, and not only she's doing it like perfectly,
but she's still like in that like exercist.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Position where all the blood is rushing to her brain.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
She's still like a yoga pose.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Seconds away from passing out.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Meanwhile, Linda v Angelica's curled up comfortably on the floor
be like ho hum, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And Naomi Campbell's just like walking around the house, so
that's what you get, hits, And Sidney Crawford's in a
mirror Naomi Campbell's striking poses. Linda of Angelisa has like
pulled the sweater over her head like Claire Dane's in
My Soul called Life. And honestly, it's such a good shot.
I'm not even mad at it.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Christy Turlington has bangs all of a sudden, because that's
what the coven will do.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's right, they can make you grow bangs.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
That freedom hits again and George Michael's guitar explodes and
again and then three times.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yes, so good.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
We are immolating our past self.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
The song starts to play out. As we returned to
the laser reading the CD, we hear a whistling sound.
Linda Evangelista's radiator tea is ready. She stands up and
she goes to have a nice kuppa as the song
in the video fade out. Amazing, Amazing. That is gay pride.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
That is gay pride. That is gay ride in a
southern Gothic mansion. That is gay pride. What do we
think the mansion represents the like house crumbling around these
beautiful people as they're.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Like their facades, like their public facades. I think, crumbling
down around them and then breaking free of it.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, I think that or like the world, the industry,
like what have you like? Just bigger institutions around them
are literally coming apart and they're just sitting here like
trying to break out.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, it's very cool, man, it's fabulous. This video is perfect.
It is a perfect piece of art.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's perfect, it's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It looks like it truly does it?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Truly truly does?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Paul?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
How should we.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Rank Freedom ninety one to ten, ash shakings one to ten,
exploding jukeboxes.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
One to ten, barn doors on Christy Turlington, Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
One to ten. Cidey Crawford chiropractor appointances, that one.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That one, that one, Cindy Crawford chiropractor appointments.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Fucking ten. I'm gonna tell you right now. Oh maybe
a little more diversity would have been nice. Sure, I'll
give it because I'm looking for flaws. Yeah, a little
like we have Naomi Campbell fucking excellent, but maybe maybe
an Asian model. Maybe put fucking Tyson Beckford in your video.
He's a star in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Jamon Hunsu Jaimin.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Haunsu another like male model star in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I will say that those five women were not cast.
They were chosen because they were the five women on
the Vogue cover, right, So so that is who they.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Were, Like, oh, that's true.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's because of who they were that they were cast.
Not he didn't just choose one black model and then
the industry, the world chose Anna Wintour chose one black model.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
No, but you're absolutely right. I get so the female
casting I totally get. But then again, diversify the males.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, we all forgot them anyway.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
We would not have forgotten Tyson Beckford is Dragon Huntsu.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
That's true, that's true, wouldn't have I just like.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Want to point out, like, like what really watched the
video again?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It gave me like joy watching it gives. It really gives.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
With it's heavy topics, it's very serious, it's very dark,
but it is there's a joy to it that like it.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's so lovely and so wonderful.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah. Ten out of ten, ten out of ten. Cindy
Crawford Chiropractor Appointments for Freedom ninety Stick Around. We're gonna
come right back and we're gonna take you through Physical
by Olivia Newton John And we're back all right, So
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we're going we're going back back back in time, even
further back than nineteen ninety Erica because the video that
I chose was Physical by Olivia Newton John. And and
actually this video was requested by Alisa. Alisa, you kind
of inspired this episode because we were looking for a
shorter form thing to do, and you requested this at
just the right moment and you came through for us.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So thank you, a Lisa, Thank you. I I would
talk about music videos all day. I grew up on these, So.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
If anyone has any other ideas for stuff like that,
let us know. Maybe maybe we'll find a way to
do them. Who knows, all right? Erica Physical by Olivia
Newton John was released in September of nineteen eighty one.
The song was written by Steve Kipner and Terry Shaddock.
It was directed by Brian Grant. The vocals were by
Olivia Newton John. The song's guitar solo was performed by
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Steve lukeyther, a founding member of Toto.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I just want to point out there were two songwriters. Yeah,
two people wrote these lyrics.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
YEP, and Toto played on them. Toto I touched the
reins down in Africa.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah yeah. Physical rose to number one and stayed there
for ten weeks the most of any single in the
nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Damn, isn't that insane?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
That is insane.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
If you asked me what song was the like, had
that like distinction, I would have gotten to like thirty songs.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, before I guessed Physical.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I have to be honest. I mean, if you guessed
every single Madonna's single that came out in the eighties
before this is Michael.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Jackson singles, Yeah, Madonna, Yeah, one hundred percent, I was like, Wow,
Physical Oker. It was Olivia Newton John's obviously biggest hit.
Even though it was banned in some markets due to
its very suggestive lyrics, it denoted a change in Newton
John's public image, moving her from good girl next door
to sex symbols.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
She looks sexy in this in this video. It's funny
because it's it's almost like a like a push pull,
because she's still Olivia Newton John and she is very girl.
Next to her, she's Sandy Dombrowski, just something very wholesome,
of that very wholesome, but she looks really sexy and
gorgeous in this video. Uh, Erica, did you know the
song was originally offered to my Goddess Tina Turner. She
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turned it down.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Tina. You know, Tina would rock the shit out of this.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
She would rock the shit out of it. And look,
nineteen eighty was not a high point in her career.
She may she may have made a bad decision on
this one.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I mean, but it wouldn't have sounded the poppy the
way she is.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's answer, it would have had like like it would
have been slower probably, I'm guessing, and had like a
lot of like grit to it.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, a lot of sex. Yeah, yeah, this is a
This song is a little bit like I'm horned up,
but also I've maybe never had sex before.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
There is an innocence to it.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, yeah, like maybe I don't actually know what sex is,
but I think I want it.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Paul, we normally ask each other when did you first
see this video? You see this film?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I'm gonna ask you first because my answer will blow
your goddamn minds Okay, Paul, when did you first see
the video for Physical?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I don't remember obviously, As as we've said, I did
not have MTV at this time. I mean, I don't
even know if I MTV existed in September of ninety
eighty one. It did, it did? Okay, So I'm guessing
that I first saw this video at some point in
a gay bar in my twenties. That's kind of my guests.
Oh sure, and it was in the zeitgeist enough that
I feel like when I first saw it, I already
knew about it. Yeah, and you know, for lack of
(33:08):
a better term, the twist. It's three and a half
minutes long, and there's a couple of narrative changes that
maybe don't see coming. Yeah. So but I remember thinking
it was fun and and it it. I don't want
to say it was important, but like, there's gay representation
in this video in nineteen eighty one by a major
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pop star.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
That is a lot. Actually, it's quite a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, how about you?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So, okay, let me take you back to another time,
a simpler time. It's the I don't know when, early nineties. Again,
I'm an MTV kid. I watched a lot of it
growing up. I wasn't watching it in nineteen eighty one
because it was too little, but I certainly was watching
it when a little television program called Beavis and butt
Head first aired. Okay, So I don't know if you
know this because I don't think a lot of people
(33:54):
know this, but Beavis and Butthead started out as a
sketch on MTV where like they would want watch music
videos and kind of laugh and like.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Right, and they're seeing Katya.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
They're Tricksy and Katya.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
They're Mystery Science Theater three thousand, but like a stoner
mentality version of that, like a very young male viewers.
This is who they were trying to get in, like
watching this, right, I watched it from the jump and
this was the first I had to look this up
because I was like, is it possible that this is
the first time I've seen this video?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And I'm not wrong.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
It is the first video to air on Beavis and Butthead.
Really this is the opening video on Beavis and butt Head.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Damn Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
So I saw this for the first time.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I'm ninety percent sure while watching Beavis and Butthead.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
That's like my greatest love born for my greatest tape.
To be clear, I've never seen Beavis and Butthead, but
Erica has assured me I would hate it.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you'd hate it
on like an offended level. I think you would just
be bored and annoyed by by house right because it's
a little slow, very fat. I didn't love it myself,
I have to be honest, but I did watch it.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, all right, shall we go through physical sure? All right, Erica,
We open in a tiled gym. You heard me, It
is a sauna that they are using as a gym.
I will take no questions. That is what this is.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
We need to steam you guys.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, we see a number of faceless, bethonged, oiled up,
beautiful men using the various gym machines. We don't see
their faces. They're just riding bikes, they're lifting weights, they're
jumping rope, they're using that stretchy accordion thing that I
don't know what it's called. I'm here to tell you
that if you think that there is no variety available
(35:33):
in thongs, this video is here to prove you wrong.
Because the amount of coverage provided by a speedo is
not a lot. Nope, However, the amount of coverage provided
by a thong a true banana hammock, one in which
the thought is to allow the penis and scrotum to
lounge as a body would lounge in a hammock, of
which there is a close up in the first four
(35:53):
seconds of this video is a very different proposition.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Ha ha ha.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I wish you had I've seen this as a kid,
because this would have blown your fuck.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
It would have it really would have. There's also like
the I look this up. It is apparently called the
vibrating belt machine that they jiggle your ass and supposedly
the vibration helps you lose weight. That's going on one
of these guys and his ass is just like wow.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
It's so hot.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yep, it's and like it's a close, tight closeup of
a man's ass as it jiggles. This could not be
more gig correct.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Interspersed with these images are close ups of Olivia Newton John.
She is rocking a white head band. She is looking
incredible with like a shaggy pixie cut. Is that what
that would be called? I guess yeah, yeah, Olivia Newton John,
it must be recognized and acknowledged. Early in this recap
is horned up. She wants to fuck. She is Sarah
Michelle Gellar in cruel intentions. I want to fuck. Okay,
(36:51):
that's what's happening here. One of the men punches a
speed bag and Olivia Newton John launches into the verse.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
This reminded me so much of the film Perfect with
Jamie Lee Curtis and Olivia Newton John's Bessie John Travolta.
But I had to look it up. Do you know
if that movie came up before or after this video?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I do not know. I know people have requested us
to do that movie.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah on the podcast, because I if you had asked
me again five minutes ago, which which one preceded the other,
I would have said the movie came first, and then this.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Video is like a parody of that Wrong. This video
is four years earlier than that movie.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So this video actually maybe affected that film, I.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Think, I genuinely think.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
So, okay, really, I mean, aerobics was such a thing
back then, so like there were plenty of like influences
and test pigns, but like I just it just feels pointed, honestly. Okay,
So Olivia Newton John is walking through this forest of
studs and she's saying, I took you to an intimate restaurant,
then to a suggestive movie. There's nothing left to talk
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about unless it's horizontally. She put the whore in horizontally.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
She's gonna, what's the Margaret show joke? She's got build
one of those pits and cover it with leaves over
her vagina, so the men just fall in, fall in.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
We get a better look at her outfit, which is
a pair of tights in a color that one could
only describe.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
As Telly from Sesame Street. Purple.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yes, a white leotard, and then a blue sky blue
shirt tied in the front.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
True eighties fashion icon. Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Her socks, of course match her blue shirt, and she's
obviously wearing kids because because what is a better shoe?
Did you exercise in kids?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Get what you want in an exercise shoe is something
that genuinely provides no support.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
No support, you want your ankles to fall apart. This
second year, they hit the pavement.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yes, when she hits the chorus, she invites us to
let's get there's it, Go, there's a go. We cut
to a wide shot, and suddenly all of our studs
have been replaced by less studley men, perhaps men on
the beginning of their fitness journeys.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Significantly older than the youth we saw.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, Olivia Newton John tries to engage with them, but
they're like really focused on how much they hate all
of these machines and hate exercise, which I did appreciate. Yeah,
there is one moment where there's a guy on a
treadmill and he's running on it in bare feet, which
I'm like, that's sir, that's just a bad idea.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
I was like, is no one taught any of these people. Also,
the outfits are making them wear I get it, it's
a joke. It's a joke on like the banana hammocks.
Like they're wearing their their gym shorts horked up all
the way to their nipples.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
The icon that's on the bike with his those jim
shorts literally at nipple high.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I was waiting to see balls.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I was looking for them, and I'm like, I don't
know how, but there's no No taint is shown in
the course of this video.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
The actors are all clowning about in a very over
the top way with their exhaustion, their lack of understanding
how to use the machines. It doesn't age so well.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
This is such a fucking massive burn on straight men.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
No, it's not a fat Joe. I mean it is
a little bit of a fat joke, right, does an
age super well. But honestly, what I think the video
is trying to tell us is like what she is
dreaming of.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Are these men who know how to work the machines, who.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Are clean, who are hygienic, who are you know, gorgeous
and oiled up and like ready to party and like
want her and what she's getting in the world.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Are these like schlubby guys who don't know how.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
To work the equipment, wink wing, who are barely participating,
who don't want to be touched by her. She keeps
like trying to adjust them and they're like, ah, don't
touch me. It's just a huge, massive burn on straight guys.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Right, That's what this video is, I think. So yeah,
we hit the second.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Verse and Olivia Newton John is cornered one of these
poor men on the massage table.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I don't know what to make of the sequence. Honestly,
it's not offensive. It's just like there are choices that
are about to be made.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
He's just trying to take a nap. He's just trying
to take a nap at the gym, as one does.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
By the way, still in the same room, the little
child sauna.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
She shakes him awake by his feet, telling him that
she's been patient and good, but he brings out the
animal in her.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
It's giving fried green tomatoes. It's giving that. It's giving
that marriage and fried green tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Where she opens the door wearing saran wrap and her
husband's like, you used up all the saran wrap. The
man in the video can't help but be flattered, so
she throws some lotion on his back, does a very
cursory and I have to say, painful looking massage. She
throws elbows, you know what I'm saying, Like that does
not look good, and then loses.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Control due to overwhelming horniness.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Oh, mama, the mylans. Mama, they're a fire.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
They're on a fire. She says.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
The line in the in the one of the lyrics
is I tried to keep my hands on the table.
It's getting hard this holding back, You know what I mean?
This is at this point. Right when the song was written,
they weren't envisioning this mediu They were thinking of like
a couple at a restaurant or a bar or something.
But now that they've stuck it in a gym, they
we need a table.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
What can one do it?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Can we do?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
What? Can one do? It? A gym that involves a
table massage? This is shoehorned in so hard.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So she starts slamming this poor guy into the table,
then climbs on top of him and starts frankly riding
him like a horse.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
He is still face down, which lends credence to my
theory of she wants to have sex but maybe doesn't
know how it works.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Haha.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
She's like, I think the woman gets on top right
when the man's turned around perfect. He does not look
like he's enjoying this. This is not enthusiastic consent. This
is not that we're getting here.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah. Second chorus, Olivia Newton John, let's get there's a goal,
there's a goal. Olivia Newton John is leading the men
in an eighties aerobics class, during which they are so
uncoordinated they wind up knocking themselves out. This is look
that the actors are clearly being told to go wildly
over the top. They're making faces, they are clowning around
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like and I think that's the right choice, Like, you're
not supposed to take this seriously at all.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, No, it's just the most tongue in cheek. That
is never tongue in cheek.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yes, Olivia Newton John turns around, is shocked. There's no
one left to service her needs. They're all unconscious on
the floor.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Did she hate when that happens?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I hate that.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Guitar solo.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I touched the reins down and as Africa. You know what?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
That song doesn't age well, but fuck it, it's It's perfect.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's a banger.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
No, No, two white guys singing about how they are Africa. Yes,
someone air guitars in that stretchy accordion thing.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Don't know what it's called.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I know what it's called, but I know it's for
your pecks. I do know that it's just strengthen your pecks.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Olivia Newton John heads into the shower, fully clothed, because again,
what is life?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
She tries to wash this horniness away.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Mama, please, mamma, ny help girl.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
There aren't enough cold showers in the world. This woman
is she's writing a man on a massage table.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, she's humping him like a pillow.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Meanwhile, while she's in the shower, the men in the
gym transformed back into studs. Yep, I was trying to
follow the threat. So why they're suddenly like the men
of her dreams?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Again? Is it because she's rubbing one out like in
the shower?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I was kind of like, is it because she's not
in front of them so she's free to fantasize about
them again?
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Uh huh?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Right? But I have to say my favorite one. It's
the first one. There's this guy. He's and they keep
the clothes essentially the same. So there's this guy, yeah,
and he's like rubbing his belly like, you know, very proudly,
which is very charming I find. And he transforms into
the stud. But the stud is wearing this thing. It
looks like a gay fever dream Marvel superhero Ninja outfit.
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Like it's it's a red half shirt just under his
nipples and then the twists of fabric around his biceps
and a speed up.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Olivia Newton John comes back into the tile gym in
tennis whites. She's she's lost her sexiness, she's she's given up.
She is greeted by this morgas board studliness. She is lighted.
This is what she wanted all along. She walks around,
she is admiring all this oiled up men. She is
trying to get their attention, but no, mama, the fire's burning.
(45:11):
The men's are paying me no mind, mama.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Hah.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
They're more interested in themselves and their own muscles and
the camera. They just ignore her. They're not quite spiking
the camera, but they're coming really close to just being
like looking at themselves at the camera.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah, honestly, like, what what is the narrative thread here?
Is it that men? Men are terrible? No matter what happened.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I'm not sure yet. Let's see what we come to
the end, Let's finish it, and then then that's canonically
decide what this video is.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Trying to tell us it was actually about. She walks
to the side.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
She's begging them, let me hear your body talk, body talk.
So the men make a statement, They look at her.
Then they pair off, holding hands uh huh, and walk
away into the changing rooms.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Or whatever another child room in which who knows what
they might do together.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, this is why this is why this gym is
tiled easy to clean.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
It's in the west village.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
They walk away together, leaving her alone with just her
tennis racket wound up tighter than she is, except wait,
she's not alone. All the studs left together, arm in arm.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
You have to blow each other.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
I want to be extremely clear.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
If in case you haven't seen the video in a while,
it is telling you these men are together, like there's
no way you could look at it and be like, well,
but maybe they're just no. It's very clear what the
video is saying. In nineteen eighty one, which I think
is pretty incredible.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
She became a gay icon off this music video, and
she was a very good gay icon, to be clear.
She was an ally and all that stuff, but like
she never had to do anything ever again. She could
have done nothing.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Came for a drink ever again in her life.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
So okay, So the men walk away hand in hand
and she's all alone except wait, she's not alone.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
There's one man left.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
He may not be oiled, he may not be muscled
up for the gods, he may be a little bit
schlubby m hm, but he is interested yep. And so
she smiles at him, and the two of them walk
off together with their tennis rackets. Yep, going to play
tennis again. Now they've lost me again to read his life, like, wait,
what is tennis supposed to mean?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I think that maybe it's saying like, even if someone
doesn't look exactly what you're thinking of, they're still worthwhile,
because maybe you could say, like, in the first part,
she's looking at them and that's why, like she's seeing
them as clowns. Yeah, and then after she comes back,
sheees like the men that she thinks she wants, but
(47:39):
oh wait, they're actually all fucking each other, so like
it doesn't quite all work.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
I mean, honestly, this is so hard to parse, Like
what the fuck is this video trying to tell us?
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Because honestly, look, I would never want the game moment
to be taken out of this video, but the message
would be clear if it was taken out. It would
be like, Yeah, these these men who are so interested
in themselves and what they look like are not interested
in you. Yeah, and making them gay is wonderful and
iconic and a fucking moment in pop culture and it
was perfect and don't take it away, but we're just
(48:09):
talking about narratively. Yeah, it gives them another reason to
not be interested in her, right, So the comment on
body type and body stereotypes and all that is kind
of lost in the beautiful, wonderful, perfect game moment that
makes sense, that.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Makes total sense, and actually you've made it make more
sense than I have just in my brain walk like
what is this about?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
It's also like when you think about it, like freedom
ninety is six minutes long. This is a tight three
and a half, Like it is almost half the like
the other one.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
They get and they get out.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah yeah, uh, Erica, How should we rank physical one
to ten? True banana hammocks one to ten, chiled rooms
one to ten metal, stretchy things.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
To work out your pecks, peck accordions, pack accordians, accordions.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
P accordions, let's do that accordions. Okay, all right, do
you want to go first? Or shall I you go first?
Speaker 2 (49:02):
On this one?
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Okay, this is not a ten out of ten. I
don't think. I don't think the fat jokes in this
are the point, but they are there a little bit.
It needs a little bit of a bad taste in
my mouth. I'm very glad. The final beat is her
like looking at one of the overweight men as a
person and smiling and then walking off together like seemingly happy. Right,
Like that's it. That does help the kind Some of
(49:24):
the fat jokes in the beginning. Yeah, the game moment,
if you watch it now, is nothing compared to what
we've seen. I mean, Fellow Travelers has come out. Jonathan
Bailey is sucked Matt Bohmer's toes. But like in nineteen
eighty one, it was it was important, like it was
a thing and it was important, and she did it.
She decided like, yes, this is going in my video, right,
(49:44):
she could have cut it at any moment. I think overall,
it's still ages pretty well. I think the only thing
to complain about is the kind of somewhat questionable treatment
of the fat jokes in the beginning. But Olivia Newton
John is such an icon. It's a banger. It's a
fun song, like it's a fun, silly song, and it's
clearly like even even the studley men are also made
(50:08):
fun of, to be clear, like that they're preening and
like they're not clowning in the same way, but you're
meant to kind of you're meant to be impressed by
their bodies, but also like you have like objectified, they're objectified.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Yeah, video, she's kind of like she like her head
pops up between someone's eighes and like her head pops
up in front of this man's bicep. You don't see
any faces in the beginning of the video. You just
see body parts. That's all she's really looking at and
like Dong dong, so much dong and like like that
dude's ass cheeks shaking like it's it's very objectified, so
(50:40):
that like it kind of it comes for all of them,
it for all of us.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yes, it's a great representation of female horniness, which I
know you appreciate.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I do love female horning.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
You love female horniness. I'm going to give it an eight,
an eight out of ten paccordions pacordions, Uh huh, yeah, yeah,
how about you?
Speaker 3 (50:58):
What do you think You warned me ahead of time
before I watched it this morning, to be like, there's
there's some stuff you may not age twelve, And I
saw immediately what you were talking about. But honestly, maybe
because I was warned ahead of time, I was like, oh,
this it's goofy and silly, but it's not anything.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
It is pitched very silly, to be clear, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Pitched very, very silly, and like, look, I hate to
have a double standard out there, but I'm gonna have
a double standard out there, and like, if.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
This were women, i'd feel differently.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Sure, because it's men, I feel like less abused by
this situation. So because men aren't like usually objectified this much,
it's shocking to see this much objectification.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Again, I'm I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
I only saw this music video when I was in
my teens, because when I was little, they probably only
aired it at like nine o'clock. Oh totally, yeah, it
which is weird because it's such a wholesome, fun video.
There's not it's not sexy in the way you think
when you think sexy, I don't think so anyway.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
No, but back then, anything gay was a Bryant, not
just anything. We killed Anita Bryant with the power of
our minds.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Yeah, good for us with our coven happy pride. But
it's not just the gay thing. It's like like close
ups of penises I don't think was being in music
videos then.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
And it's not many, but that first one in that
white thong, I was like, oh my god, that's VPL
Like you're.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Seeing quite a lot of VP.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, a lot of that man's penis.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
So again, like the objectification of men simply does not
bother me as much.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
As the objectification of women.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Hey, you've had to deal with a double standard for years.
You get to impose a.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Do I care?
Speaker 1 (52:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (52:39):
So okay, you gave it an eight.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
I give it an eight.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
I am because I'm a little more sensitive to the
topic for reasons. I'm going to give it a seven
because I do agree that, like, body shaming is probably
never okay with a big giant asterisk to be like, however,
with this video, I'm sure did for the gay community
in nineteen. This is a kind of a on the soul,
I think, yeah, a little bit. So I'm gonna give
(53:04):
it a seven. But in my heart, spiritually I'm honestly
giving it a ten.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, No, spiritually ten. But like I'm just trying to
I'm trying to be an honest broker here.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Look, we're just trying to be good
stewards to twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
And to be fair, none of the men are they're
all white. We could have had some diversity in the
casting too.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
I think when you're objectifying people this, oh that's good point.
Probably good just to keep everyone white.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
That is a fair, fair point.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Good call Erica because then you got other dicey shit happening.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough, all right, everyone, that's you.
That's your gay Pride episode. Happy Pride, Happy Pride.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Everyone, Go listen to some amazing music that yeah makes
you happy.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Go dance, Go, be free and happy and joyful in
whatever queer identity you claim. And if you don't claim
a queer identity, you're boring and basic. No I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Everyone claims a queer identity at this point.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
At this point, at this point, you better be Come on.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
No one's a zero or a ten.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
I've added some numbers to the kindy scale.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
By the way, we will be back next week with
a full length, full size standard episode. We hope you
all have a wonderful last week of June.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
Happy Pride, y'all, Happy.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Pride will not give you up.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
You gotta have something sound. It's the one good thing
that I got that won't let you down and will
not be because I would really really love to stick around.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Oh yeah, lyrics to physical really did not need to
be looked up.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
No, those are pretty those are pretty straightforward.
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