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This is the forty six and forty six podcast October Sessions,
where we'll talk all things spooky and Irondacks and more,
from bigfoot encounters on the NPT to ghostly sightings in
the trees. We'll dive deep into the heart of these
mountains and the people who.
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Dare to climb them.
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From Adirondack bigfoots to haunted lakeside bar huts, it's all
here on the forty six and forty six October Sessions.
The Adirondacks are vast six million acres of forests, mountains,
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swamps and water, a place of beauty but also of danger.
Step off here and you can disappear.
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And some do.
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Usually it's the land itself that claims them cold rivers, cliffs, exhaustion,
but sometimes the questions left behind are harder to explain.
This week's episode of the six of forty six podcast
October Sessions is the story of Tom Messick Senior, the
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hunter who vanished without a trace, and this story is
one of the strangest and modern Adirondack history. An eighty
two year old hunter, a veteran, a woodsman with decades
of experience, sitting just yards from a road with a
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rifle and a walkie, talking to his crew, surrounded by friends,
and yet the space of an hour, he was.
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Gone without a trace.
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What followed was one of the largest search operations the
region has ever seen. Hundreds of professionals, helicopters, dogs, divers,
a search that scoured the ground inch by inch, and
still no hat, no rifle, no radio, no Tom. A
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story so bizarre even the FBI was on the scene,
leading you to wonder what really happened to Tom Messex
Senior that day on the hunt. It was Sunday, November fifteenth,
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two thy fifteen men drove Lily Pond Road near Brant
Lake in the Lake George Wild Forest. They'd hunted together
for years, fathers, sons and old friends. That day they
chose to hunt a new area, Lily Pond, a dirt
road that runs two miles onto state land. The plan
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was simple, a textbook deer drive. The older men, Tom
being one of them, would post up as watchers near
the logging road, while the younger hunters would circle around
the woods to push the deer towards them, something they'd
done countless times before all over the Adirondacks. Tom was
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last in line, and he walked a short distance down
the road, maybe one hundred and fifty yards from their car,
and he walked forty yards into the woods and he
sat on a stump. He had his rifle and hands
and his walkie talkie on his body.
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Tom left.
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The group got to his post, and that was the
last they ever saw him. Around three pm, the hunters regrouped,
but Tom wasn't where he was supposed to be. They
called him over the radio, but no answer. They even
fired shots into the air, and he didn't respond.
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No response.
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And here's where the first strange detail enters the story.
One of the hunters, Sid Sharp, later reported hearing a
sound during the drive, a sound he couldn't explain. He
said it lasted just a second or two, but it
was unlike anything he'd ever heard in the woods, even
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after decades in the woods, he wasn't used to this noise.
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Not a deer snort, not a branch break.
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It was something different, something Sharp he described as being
like a trap door shutting.
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It alarmed him, it made him unsettled.
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The noise came from about one hundred and fifty yards away,
in the direction of Tom's post. The hunting group searched
into the evening, walking the road, combing the woods looking
for Tom. Still nothing. By four point thirty pm they
had alerted the rangers. Searchers fired pistols into the night air,
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hoping Tom would fire back, but there was no reply.
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The search was on.
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According to the Times Union, within hours there were helicopters
in the air, forest rangers on the ground, and even
divers in ponds and swamps, with K nine units working
the scent trails. More than three hundred trained searchers would
be involved over the following weeks, and the methods were painstaking.
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According to reports. Crews used stringlines known as bump lines
to grid the woods, walking side by side, boxing off
each in every section so not a single inch was missed.
Locals even described the forest looking like a spider web
of search lines. Within ten days, the DC reported more
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than ten thousand search hours had been logged, and by
January the case was downgraded to a limited continuous search,
meaning the rangers would still check, but the massive ground
sweep was over and they never found anything. No sign,
no rifle, no hat, no radio, no clothing, no footprints nothing.
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Think about that an older gentleman, very experienced in the woods,
an army ring not far from the road, and not
a trace remains. Now here's where things turn from unusual
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to just baffling. On the fourth day of the search,
two FBI agents arrived, and that's highly unusual. By protocol,
the FBI does not involve itself in adult missing person
searches unless there's a suspected abduction, foul play, or federal
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crime they're investigating. Yet here they were almost immediately in
the woods of Lake George in the Adirondacks. According to reports,
the agents told Tom's wife, Beverly, that something isn't right
about this case. We don't know what it is, but
we're treating him as a missing person.
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And then as fast as they arrived.
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The FBI left no further explanation, no suspects, just notes
taken and reports sent back to headquarters, leaving nothing but questions.
Why would the FBI take such an interest in an
elderly hunter who vanished in the woods in the Adirondacks.
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Could it be standard caution or did this case fit
some broader pattern something they were already tracking. What actually
happened to Tom? Was his disappearance really just the wilderness?
Claiming another life, or was something else at play, something darker,
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something more sinister, And if that weren't enough, Ten days
after Tom vanished, another man disappeared just forty miles away.
Fritz Drum, a sixty eight year old retired town supervisor,
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went missing from his rural property on Thanksgiving Day twenty fifteen.
His car was at home, his belongings were untouched. His
wife went out, and when she got back, Fritz was gone.
And no trace was ever found. And just like in
Tom's story, helicopters, dogs, hundreds of searchers, but they never
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found anything from Fritz.
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So what actually went down? Two older men, both.
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Experienced outdoors men, both vanished within days of each other
in eastern Upstate New York, both triggering massive searches, and
both leaving behind no evidence. Coincidence or perhaps the work
of something else. You know, some have speculated about a
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serial killer, a predator, stalking older men in rural areas,
striking when the opportunity presented itself. It's only a theory,
of course, But when disappearances happened so close together and
so alike in circumstances, it's hard not to wonder.
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You know, there's a.
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Lot of theories that happened in these sorts of cases.
So what actually happened to Tom? Some theories are there was
a medical emergency. Maybe Tom had a history of heart issues,
but he was healthy.
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But if that were the case, why no rifle, why
no hack, why no body? Why nothing?
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Maybe Tom got disoriented, But Tom was Army trained and
an experienced outdoorsman who even taught hunter safety and that
country's survival. After all, he was an Army ranger. And
again there was simply no evidence. Maybe he had an
accident in the terrain out there, fall into a crevice
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or water or a swamp, but divers and ground crew
searched everywhere, everywhere. Maybe it was wildlife, though rangers dismissed
this as extremely unlikely, as there were no signs of
a struggle, no drag marks, no blood, no ripped clothing,
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leading us to wonder.
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Why was the FBI there? Foul play?
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The FBI's swift involvement keeps this theory alive. Could someone
have lured Tom off his post? Could the sound sid
heard have been a struggle? If so, where are the signs?
Where are the tracks?
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You know?
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We don't know, and maybe we never will and then
there's the speculation that creeps in on campfire nights and
internet forums alike. Some have wondered that if that unexplained
sound that Sid Sharp heard, that snap, the noise unlike
anything in the years of hunting, could it have been
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something not human but not animal, Something other than that,
maybe a large bipedal creature capable of overpowering a man
and leaving no trace.
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Far fetched, maybe, but it's not.
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The first time this theory has been floated around in
cases like this. After all, how does an eighty two
year old hunter, his rifle and all his gear vanish
without one single trace?
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We may just never know.
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One thing we do know is that Tom's family still
has no closure. His sons who hunted beside him that
day were left with silence where answers should be. And
the case remains active with the New York State Police.
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And if you know.
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Anything, even the smallest detail, you are urged to call
the New York State Police.
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In Queensberry, the woods can be cruel.
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They can hide a man in plain sight, but the
vanishing of Tom Messick sor it's just different.
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Surrounded by friends close.
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To a road, an experienced man with a radio and
a rifle gone in the space of an hour, and
then the FBI, the unexplained sound, and another missing man
just ten days later up the road. Is it the
wilderness that swallowed him? Or did something else happen to
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Tom messick Sor what happened that day in the Lily
Pond Woods the Adirondack Mountains know what happened to Tom, but
the rest of us might never know. No matter what happened,
it's a story of tragedy taking place here in the
Adirondack Mountains. Next time on the October Sessions, we turn
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to Route three between Tupper Lake and Piercefield and a
young man named Colin Gillis and another Adirondack case that
needs to be solved.
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That's next time on.
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