Finding Success In Anything You Do In Life | Chris Lytle and Matt Serra - The A Game Podcast: Real Estate Investing For Entrepreneurs

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Welcome to the a game podcast withNick LaMagna digging into the minds and

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experiences of some of today's brightestentrepreneurs in real estate and business,
along with Hollywood stars, UFC fighters.
And your favorite rock fans,people that have figured out how to
overcome obstacles, take chances,live boldly, and no matter what they
do, they always bring their a game.
This is the a game podcast and wespecialize in helping ordinary people.

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Achieve extraordinarythings every single day.
And we have 300 plus episodes withpeople that have changed their life
physically, mentally, financially, on andoff the mats from your favorite actors,
comedians, and musicians, the biggestreal estate and business people in the
world, and of course, UFC championsand legends to come and fulfill their
destiny and perform at their best.
And just as 300 plus episodes alone.

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Probably gives you enough knowledge andexperience to learn from the mistakes
that you can keep yourself from makingand benefit from the success and
the right decisions that people havemade to live their life their best.
And that's what we want to help you do.
And if those 300 episodes were nota note, my guest today on the a
game podcast is Chris lights out.
Lytle Chris Lytle is the man.

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He's a UFC veteran.
Owens many accolades.
We'll talk about when we go infor most finishes and welterweight
history, five fight of the nights.
He's got knockouts.
He's got submissions.
He's got the, I think the onlyguy to win all three bonuses.
So absolute stud and a great guy.
Firefighter went for Indianastate Senate, runs a bourbon,
has the lights out podcast.

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He's got an anti bullying foundation.
He does.
He comes out and he speaks for that.
So anybody who needs somebody tocome and speak on any stages or
platforms or zooms or schools.
Please reach out to Chris andget him booked for to come
there and and do some talking.
He wrote a book about it, but he's reallybig and active into the anti bullying
to get that because it's a big problem.
So very sensitive to him aswell as he came from a family

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that he's got four kids.
And he talks a littlebit about that as well.
So if anybody's doing that, there'sno better guy to come in there and
teach bullies not to be bulliesthan Chris lights out Lytle.
So definitely book him for thatas well as any of your stuff.
If you'd like to come in and do anMMA seminar, a striking seminar, a
jujitsu seminar, I would tell youhis jujitsu is extremely underrated.
The guy's an absolute veteran, anabsolute pro years of wrestling,

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years of being a professional fighter.
I personally enroll with him.
He beat my ass and I didit very easily, may I add.
So, guys also awesome.
Total class act, very well spoken becauseof course he does the commentating for
bare knuckle fighting championship rightnow, which was recently bought in by Conor
McGregor and is about to blow up to be oneof the biggest combat sports in the world.
Two guys that I know and I trustand I like and respect very much.

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I watched them fight each other at myfirst live UFC fight about 16 years ago.
And And I got them bothon the podcast today.
So there's a nice surprise thatI get Matt, Sarah to come on and
surprise Chris lights out Lidl.
And it was really cool to just sit thereand be on the fly on the wall and let them
talk about stuff and catch up where hehad no idea that Matt was going to pop on.
And you just won't findbetter people, man.

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This episode did not disappoint.
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Thank you.
Go subscribe to MattZero's YouTube channel.
Go follow Chris lights out Lytleand go catch some bare knuckle
fighting championship today.
All right.
My guest today is a formerfirefighter turned full time
athlete, entrepreneur, politician.
Commentator, author, podcast host,and even liquor connoisseur, biting.

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Out of Indiana.
He used hard work and authenticityto bring change to his life and
the world, helping people onand off the mats for decades.
He has spent time bringing people toconsciousness as a firefighter, but has
also spent many times putting peopleunconscious as a professional MMA fighter
and pro boxer, earning his name lights up.
Out.
He has hit the highest levels inthe sport, become a finalist on the

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ultimate fighter, and has gone toe totoe with the biggest names in the UFC.
He was the first fighter to win allthree bonuses, including fight of
the night five times, submissionof the night three times, and holds
the record for the most post fightbonuses in UFC welterweight history.
He went on after his UFCcareer to fight and win in bare
knuckle fighting championship.
And you can find him now ringsidecommentating at BKFC events on most

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weekends for one of the most fastestgrowing combat sports in the world.
Today, Chris used his name, reputation,and desire to bring change to the
world in many different arenas outsideof the ring over the years, including
around an Indiana state Senate, tryingto bring some authenticity back.
Two politics and even has the ChrisLeto foundation helping stop and
reduce bullying, pull up a chair andget ready to toast the legend in the

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game and have a listen to his podcast,the lights out podcast with a glass
of his very own lights out bourbon.
Please welcome to the a game podcast.
The guy who absolutely beat myass a few weeks ago, one of the
nicest killers in this board.
Welcome, sir.
Chris lights out.
Lytle.
Man, what an intro, Nick.
Yeah.
You got a lot of skills.

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I knew you were a good grab on,you made a lot of money making real
estate, but man, I think you podcasthost might be the best one of them.
I appreciate that, sir.
I tell everybody the intro is all I got.
It's a game intro and it goesdownhill from there, man.
So I appreciate you listening, man.
We were talking earlier, dude, youwere so, you had so much to share
where in between you just beating thecrap out of me, you would say stuff

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that I was like, man, it's such great.
Life lessons are just about like showingup, doing what you say, surrounding
yourself with the right people.
You don't need the fancy stuff.
And I think any of those podcasts couldjust be a whole hour topic on a quarter
of the things that you said, but Ireally liked the mindset behind it.
As I talk about bringing your a gameto stuff, I feel like you're a guy
who, no matter what you did, alwaysfound success because you didn't take

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shortcuts and you didn't make excuses.
And I feel like that is 90 percent ofthe battle these days is just showing
up and doing the hard work and not.
Making excuses for why it's not fair orwhy it's not this or why it's not that.
Where did you learn that?
Was that something that was likebought in through your parents?
Is that something you learnedfrom an event in your life or
was that just always part of you?
Well, the hard work phase, Ithink that's just always been

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a trademark of what I've done.
And I think a lot of that was growingup when I first started getting involved
with high school wrestling, or I guessbefore that middle school wrestling,
I didn't have a background in it.
I didn't have.
Parents who really pushedme and I didn't have a lot.
So just going to the gyms and I've alwaysnoticed the guys who are really in there
working the hardest and, but they'reevery day, they got better, and I was
like, man, I want to be so good at this.

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I want to be good at everything.
But especially that, like I was just,freakishly dedicated to it, and wrestling
is one of those sports that is likethat, where the more dedicated you are,
it takes over your life in many ways.
And especially you start cutting weight.
Like you get done withthe football practice.
You're done with it till the next day.
Basketball, same thing.

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Like you go to wrestling practiceand then that's only half your day.
You got to cut weight afterwards.
You gotta go to the sauna.
You got to think about it.
You can't eat any food.
So it just all encompassed in your mind.
And I really embrace that.
And I thought, man, if I want to be asgood as possible, I have to do everything.
I'm not bigger than most guys.
I'm not stronger.
I don't, I'm athletic, but I'mnot overly athletic as I've dealt

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with a lot of athletic freaksin my life when you're fighting.
I got this guy strong,man, he's got long arms.
Like I don't have any of that.
I have to do one thing that I haveand that's my mentality, my workout.
So I think that's came from there.
Now I'll be honest with you.
The one time I really felt like I learnedthe most valuable lesson probably in
my life is when I lost a split decisionto your boy, Matt Sarah, who's one

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of my favorite people in the sport.
I probably just in the worldto begin with, but great guy.
Yeah.
I lost that fight.
And for a while, I lost a splitdecision and a while I was trying to,
people were telling me this is why ithappened or that was why it happened.
And eventually I was like, nah, ithappened because you didn't come out
there and fight as hard as you could.
You could listen to anythingelse in the world, Chris you
don't make excuses for yourself.

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And after I said, no matterwhat I learned a lot.
Like no matter what, when somethinggoes wrong in my life, it's my fault.
I make a lot of mistakes.
But I now understandthat if I make mistakes.
You have to accept those andthen you can fix them and move
on and change it and get better.
If you don't believe, if it'snever your fault, you can't fix it.
And I always bring this up.
I'd be, like you talked about, maybeon the fire department for 22 years.

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And I remember I talked to the peopleand try to get them to join the fire
department and they're like, Oh, manthey're only hiring people like them.
And they're only hired or they'reonly hiring minorities or they're only
hiring, their brothers or everything.
So I'm like, okay, so I got two differentraces, the people explaining why they
can't get on the fire department.
And I'm like, well, did you.
Did you go to the fire scienceone and two classes at Ivy tech?

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They're like, no.
Did you volunteer at a department?
No.
Did you go do anythingbesides put an application?
No.
Okay.
You didn't do anything and you'reblaming your race, which is weird because
you have black and white people, bothblaming the race, but you didn't do
anything to do it to make it happen.
So that's an excuse.
You can't change your race.
You can't change certain things.

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So.
That's a built in excuse.
They didn't have to do anythingbecause they had an excuse why they
couldn't be successful, but you didn'tdo shit to make yourself successful.
So, just stuff like that I'velearned no matter what, if you can
admit you are wrong, you can fix it.
And if you don't, your life's gonnabe rough, bro, it made your mistakes.
Move on and don't make excuses.
Excuse not the worst thing in the world.

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Man, I love that.
And I find these things like wherewe're in these lessons and Robbie Lawler
actually bringing up some old names there.
I remember when I think it was maybe theAskin fight, one of the fights that like
the ref kind of stopped the fight andimmediately Robbie was like, man and he
was pissed and he turned around rightaway and he was like, Hey, like Herb,
you're the best ref in the business.
All good.
And then at the post Frick conference,they were asking him stuff and they

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were like, man, like what's going on?
And he was like, I lost.
And they were like, well,you didn't really lose.
Like the guy stopped the fight.
He's Well, the ref stopping the fight likein me saying it was too soon is just an
excuse and they were like, yeah, but it'sa really valid excuse and he was like,
but it's still an excuse, and I was like,I like this mentality of you can justify
it however you want, but I lost thefight at any other way is just that and
it made me like him so much more becauseI was like, that's the guy who gets it.

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And he's already passed it, he's notwallowing at it, he's it happened.
So I think learning from thoselosses is a huge thing that
most people don't want to do.
And the way you said that you learned fromthe loss to Matt Serra and you changed it
versus wallowing in it and spending therest of your life going, this wasn't fair.
I didn't get this because of that.
If you're not, and I tell people, look,your life, where you are today at any
level of your life is a recipe of everydecision you've made up until that point.

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And you made a decision to say.
I don't want to have thesame outcome later on.
So how do I change that within me?
Instead of I see guys like Sean O'Malley.
Sometimes I see like the RoseNama Unis is, and they make these
excuses every time they lose.
Instead of saying it wasn't my night, I'mgoing to find what I did wrong and adjust
and not make that same mistake again.
And I feel like that, as youwere saying, it was like a great
thing for life and businesses.

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When things don't go as planned,when things don't go the way you
want, figure out what went wrong.
Don't just focus on when things goget right and adjust it and change it.
So how do you know,it's funny, it's funny.
Real quick.
You'll see a lot of guys and theylose a fight and they change Jim's
are and they go to a different gym.
I'm like, man, this not the gym.
It's you quit making.
They're there.
They always go to a new gym.

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Then their quest andtheir American top team.
They just always constantlymoving because of a loss.
Sometimes you got to takeresponsibility, bro, and quit blaming
your coaches when it was your fault.
But go ahead.
What we saying then?
No, this turns right into thatbecause that's what it comes down to.
That's what I was going to sayis like the accountability and
everybody looking for something else.
And it's that old thing if you'relooking for the jerk in your group

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and you can't find them, it mightbe you like that type of thing.
Like it's, if you keep losing fights,if you're not doing things, you
can't keep changing the coaches.
And I feel like everybody wants tochange everything instead of looking
at their self as the potential problem.
And I don't know what it is about that.
I've always like somewhat envy thepeople who walk into every room.
I'm the best I'm going to crush it.
Cause I always walk in I see a wipeoutwith no stripes and I'm like, this

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guy's going to, and then eventuallyyou're like, Oh yeah, that's right.
I know what I'm doing.
But I never go in thinking I'm the best.
I always go in thinkingeverybody else is better.
And how do I learn something from them?
Maybe even to a fall, but so, and Ibring it up because you look at things
like super gyms now and people go, youknow what, for me to be a champion,
I have to train at extreme couture.
I have to train to go whatever,like Greg Jackson's place out there.

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And what me and you were saying waslike, dude, your jujitsu was so good.
And some of the stuff Ihad never seen before.
I've trained at some of the top gyms inthe country, man, maybe even in the world.
And you were like, man, it's just been us.
It's just been me and a bunch ofguys, like just working hard and
teaching these are the thing.
And I think everybody thinks theyneed the fancy things on the exterior,
but you really just need to put itin the hard work and find things.

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So having said that what have you foundover the years that really makes people
successful internally and externally?
And within your own groups at the gymthat really maybe some of the things for
the people that showed up that maybe hadtalent and never really found the success.
And maybe some of the people thatmaybe didn't have all the athletic
ability but found ways to surroundthemselves with the right people and

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have the right mindset to find success.
Because you've seen it all.
So what are some of those internalthings that you see that make people
successful when maybe they don't haveeverything stacked in their favor?
Man, to me, it's just about havingthat mindset of being this like
we always talk about in BareKnuckle, is this, is he a dog?
This guy has that mindset.
Like you're not going tostop me no matter what.

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I've been in there with some guys.
Who you're just like, man, this guy, hewent, this guy used to train with, and he
looked like he was like a little hood ratfrom the South side of Indianapolis, a
little scrappy dude, gold tooth, it's Hey,this guy's a little skinny, he's chronic,
that dude can fight, dude can scrap.
And the guy was always like,he didn't look like much, but
he would beat your ass, so.

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Something about those kinds of guyswho you can just you can't stop
them, they're just like, they're liketough as an old, like leather boot.
And that's why I like, andbare knuckle, they're still
good, but they're good in life.
They're, you're notgoing to stop those guys.
Cause they have the right mindset.
They're not the most athletic andthey're not the most physical.
If you get a guy who is athleticand physical and has that mindset,
you call that guy a champ becausethey're going to, there's no way

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that I can turn into a champ, but youhave to have that mindset to be good.
I've seen a lot of guys with a lot oftalent and it's such a weird thing.
You probably seen a lot ofguys at the gym who were.
Killing it in the gym, they're calledgym fighters, and then all of a sudden
they go in the fight and they find away to lose like What the hell happened?
This guy was amazing.
I've trained with acouple of guys like that.
I was like, Oh, this guy's goingto be easy UFC bound for sure.
And they have a coupleof fights and moves.

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I'm like, what just happened?
I can't for the life of me.
I understand that's that mindset.
They don't, I don't understand if you goto a sports psychiatrist or psychologist
or figure that out, but somehow youhave to have something internally that
just makes you believe that you can.
To be honest with you, to bea great fighter, I always tell
people, you got to be delusional.
You got to go out there, you gotto fight, you got to get beat.

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And the next time you have to be like,I'm the best fighter in the world.
Nobody's ever going to beat me.
Like you have to have thatmindset if you want to be great.
Like you have to think, okay,that guy won that, but I can beat
anybody in the world at any night.
I'm going to beat this guy tonight.
If you go out there and not believe inthat, I don't know how you go out there.
I would be scared to death if Ithought this guy's going to beat me.
I never thought anybody was goingto beat me when I fought him.
I thought I was going to beat everybody.
That's, you have to be delusional.

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You have to think that I'm betterthan everybody else in the world.
And that's that mindset I'm talking about.
And you have to I always feltlike my job as a fighter, Was to
go out there and die in the ring.
And my coach's job wasto never let that happen.
You have to be people to trust.
And if both guys do their thing, whichthey should, you're going to be fine.
Like my coach would never let me get hurt.

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That was not going to happen.
I was always blessed with good coaches.
I remember one of my boxing coach told me.
early on.
He's we're not driving thiscar to the wheels fall off.
And I knew what he meant.
How many boxes by seem to onemore fight, one more fight
and everybody's getting paid.
They're having like, man, you justruined that guy's brain damage for life.
And he, it's not goodbecause they don't care.
I was surrounded by people who cared aboutme and they're like, man, we're not gonna

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let you hurt yourself in these fights.
My man, my, my boxing coach flippedout when he first heard that I
was doing a bare knuckle fight.
No, you're retired.
We retired for a reason.
And it took me a while to explain.
I was like, man, this isbare knuckles different.
Like you don't get hit as muchand he, it doesn't sound right.
But anyway, my people actuallycared about me and I tried to make
sure I was surrounding myself withthe right kind of people, man.

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So that leads to that next thing whereI've said, one of the best things I've
ever found in my life was just a sense ofcommunity and people that can support you.
And I have not found.
Anything in my life, like the places Ifound through MMA and jujitsu that has
a sense of community support like that.
And my brother's a musician.
I remember, for years, he was like,man, I'm the only guy loading the truck.
I'm the only guy doing this andI'm the low guy on the totem pole,

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but I'm putting in all the work.
And then when you get a gig,people are like, you know what?
Screw that guy.
Our band should have been getting thatshow and this guy should have that.
And he was like, man, I wish my friendsin music celebrated each other's wins like
my friends in jujitsu do because somebodyshows up and gets a belt promotion.
If that guy's putting in the work morethan you have, it's you know what?
He did awesome, man.
He wasn't that great a year ago.

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He's been shown off three times a week.
I have not.
And now he's better than me.
He got the promotion and I feellike you have to earn your keep
on a little bit different way.
And I feel like that's whereI've gone into a lot of
different gyms over the years.
I feel like when you find the peoplethat fit your vibe and you find
your tribe, it changes everything.
And that's kinda what Ifound with Matt, Sarah.
Dude, I tell everybody one of the bestdecisions I ever made in my life was

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going into that gym and then bringingmy brother and my best friends in there,
and he's always said man, where theworld, the, or the land and misfit toys.
He goes, this is where everybody whodoesn't fit anywhere else fits in.
But I feel like the same way he'svery quick to take you in, the
second there's those signs of youdon't belong here anymore they go.
And he used to get upset about it.
And I remember he always, every timethat happens, he goes, it's Henzo always

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told me, water finds its own level.
And then you and him came together andI can see after meeting you, why he has
so much respect for you and you haveso much respect for him because you
find your people, you find your tribe.
So for you, what is that comparison beenfor finding the right people that help
you on the mats in the ring in business.
And then especially in the firefighterdivision, because that's another thing

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where you literally have to rely onpeople to save your life and get your
back almost more importantly, if notdefinitely more importantly than you
would in a gym or in a ring or in a fight.
Right.
Yeah, but it's all pretty similar.
But what you're saying, I like that wateralways flies the same level or whatnot.
It's so true.
You're always going to find thepeople who you are vibing with.

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And that happens on the firedepartment, happens in the gym.
And gyms are amazing, man.
I've talked to manypeople who swear that it.
MMA or the gym just ingeneral has saved their lives.
It's changed their life.
You got some rough guys whowould be in jail, been in prison
till they find this focus.
You find people actually arethere to help you genuinely.
Like they care about you,what's going on with you.

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And that's, I was fortunate when Ifirst started at a gym, there's a
guy named Jason Gassi, fought in UFCa few times, but he was the leader.
And He was so welcoming.
Anybody come in, he's Oh,come on in, let's work out.
And I kill me.
He don't want to say, kill me, go ahead.
And then later I let himstart choking him and stuff.
But it was just like very open,very inviting and very these people
are people with common goals asyou, they want to learn how to

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fight, how did you do Jiu Jitsu?
Like you have a lot in common with them.
So it always makes sense just to, tobe open and welcome all those people.
And the gym can be a great place.
And you're just like thefirehouse and the gym.
You're going to find your peoplewho you mess with the most.
And you're going to spend time with them.
But gyms are so amazing to me, likesports in general, but especially

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gyms, to me, they unite people.
I would say politics divides people.
Like you talk, you started sayingRepublican, Democrat, and then you
start talking about different things.
You're going to, you're goingto, you're going to argue, man.
I can, you, I've been in a gymand you can have a Jewish guy
rolling with a Muslim guy next to aChristian guy, and they don't pair.
They can be all races, creeds, colors.
They don't care.
It's like this guycomes and works with me.

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He's a man, he workshard and he helps me out.
He teaches me stuff.
You don't care aboutanything besides that.
That guy's a hardworking, good person.
You get rid of all the otherthings and it unites people.
And that's what Iabsolutely love about it.
And those can be yourbest friends in the world.
The one true place where you knowsomeone's character can be in the
gym and you see who that person is.

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And it's weird.
Like when you first hang outwith him outside, Jim Whoa, okay.
This is different, and you go watch thefight somewhere at a bar or something.
It's a, it's an interesting time when yousee somebody outside that gym setting.
But no matter what, like thisis like my brother or what, I
would do anything for this guy.
Cause I know he's helpedme and, I help him.
If he has a fight coming up, I'mgoing to come in and help him out.
I'm gonna do whatever I can to make thisguy better because he's done this for me.

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It's just, it's a giveand take relationship.
But no, gyms are an amazing thing, but Iwas really believed that I love the fact
that this more, and especially more thanany brings people together and it makes
them see people's true character, dude.
I'm so happy you said that.
I always said the same thing.
I go, the jujitsu mats are the only placewe like I remember one day when you would

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leave and you train for hours and then yougo to the parking lot after you shower.
And two of the guys that wererolling the whole time, they just
took the conversation outside andnow they're talking in the parking
lot of their car for another hour.
And then I remember one day I was like,Dude, this is wild because that one guy
is a DEA agent and the guy he's havinga three hour conversation with that's
his new best friend is a drug dealer.

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I was like, it's literally like youhave cops and robbers that become
best friends that in no other aspectof life would they come together
and respect each other first.
And that's where I always think itit's interesting because people think
that what they do is who they are.
And I think what it's taughtme more is What you do is not
who you are is who you are.
And sometimes people do things causethey have to, but it's really not
a reflection of you as a person.

(22:30):
So I love what you said, because italways tells the truth as Ray Longo always
says, man, I think that's really cool.
For sure, man.
Like it's a, it's an amazing thing.
And people who haven't really been partof the gyms will not understand it.
And if they become part ofit, then they'll get it.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
So you brought up a couple of otherreally good things that I think
translate amazing into businesswhere I've heard you talking about.

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The wrestling aspect of man, you,it makes you realize that it's
not one of those sports where youcan just clock in and clock out.
You constantly have to be worryingabout, I really can't eat this.
Cause in two weeks I havethis, or next week I have this.
And even when you're off, you like withthe fighting, you got to help another guy.
And I think that's the samething too, with MMA, where.
I was like, it's almost like the mafia.
You can't get out.
You help a guy helps youget ready for your fight.

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And now you go, well, I justwant to go drink and eat pizza
for the next two months, but nowthat guy's got a fight coming up.
So you always have a responsibilityto somewhere else to not really go
too off the rails and always be thereto show up and take care of people.
And that's what I find withbeing an entrepreneur, which I
consider you to be with all thestuff that you're doing as well.
And sometimes I'm jealous of man,what would it be like to just

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have a nine to five and a clockout at five o'clock on Friday?
I don't have to think about anythinguntil 9am on Sunday, but then you
realize that's not really who you are.
Like, that's what really,what would make us happy.
And same thing with fighting, I'm surethere's times where you're like, man,
I would have much rather gone to thebar and eat food and watch fights, but
that's not who you are as a person.
So how do you handle that work lifebalance of having to like pretty much

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always be on some level and alwayssacrifice without getting burnt out
and resentful and wanting to quitand chasing that greater good of
what your really internal goals are.
What's funny is I feel like my wholelife just knowing what I wanted,
like having my eyes on that prize.
This is what I want.
This is my goal.
And somehow I've been able to, sinceI started wrestling at a young age and

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learn, it's been a learned behavior.
So I know I'm going to have todo everything in my power to
try and accomplish that goal.
And so I think I became addictedTo that type of mindset mentality.
So I still get it.
I don't have, I don'thave any fights coming up.
I'm retired, but I still want to getup every day and I still got, I can
do 300 pushups every day and I gotto do so many steps and I got it.

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Like I go to the gym and I box and it'sand I intermittent fast and almost like I,
I like that punishing myself, but puttingmy body to a certain thing, cause I know
it's good for at the end of the day.
I I've framed, a lot of peoplethink, Oh, that's terrible.
That sounds like a terribleno, I'm addicted to it.
Like I, if I don't go to the gym fora couple of days, I get in a bad mood.

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Like my body doesn't handle it well.
And I start like being short with people.
My wife's you need to go to the gym.
I just I know.
So I've almost just trained my bodyto like it in a way to that pain, to
like that discipline style of life.
And so I have to do that.
That's just my, I've been doingthat almost my whole life.

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I've been doing thatfor probably 35 years.
So when you do that for that long, itjust becomes who you are in many ways.
So, and I'm always telling people liketo form that habit, it's hard to do
but once you get in that moment, if youforce yourself into it, it happens, you
And you can make it where you're like,Oh, I want to do this, and I always
say, whatever is the most importantthing to you, you're going to do.

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If I want to lose 10 pounds, Or if I seethat piece of chocolate cake, whatever's
most important is going to happen.
That chocolate cake can be good.
Well, you want that cake morethan you want to lose that weight.
You know what I mean?
So it's just, whatever's the mostimportant thing to you, always like you
find time to do the shit you want to do.
And somebody's man, would you want togo, you want to go here and do this?
Oh, I gotta work.

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Someone's Hey, here'sfree Superbowl tickets.
Oh, I'll go to the Superbowl.
It was the same thing, but youfound time to go to the Superbowl.
Like you're going to find timeto do the things you want.
That's what I mean.
So for a long time of my life,I worked on the fire department.
I spent time on my kidsand I trained for fights.
That was it.
People would be like, Chris,do you want, do you play golf?
I don't play golf.
Do you want to go hunting?

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I've never been hunting in my life.
Like I didn't have timeto do anything else.
And that's all I did becausethat's all I wanted to do really.
I'm going to do what I want.
And that's what I want to do.
Like my buddies are called,Hey, let's go play some poker.
I love playing poker,but I don't have time.
That was number four on my list.
The other three things took priority.
So I'm always, I'm going to do whateverreleases the most dopamine in my brain.
And it was those three things.

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That's awesome.
You, I've heard you say the thing aboutthe cake before, and I literally was
thinking about you this morning because Igot out of jujitsu and I was like, dude,
I want a bagel, egg and cheese so bad.
And I was like, looking down, I had myrash guard and I was like, you fat shit.
And I was like, how bad do you want that?
I was like, do you want more?
So you literally played in my head todayand you kept me from going and getting it.

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I went home and I had to shake.
So I was like, yeah, you're right.
But did you have any, did you do any?
Sort of research orread any books on that?
Because I'm really big on thisstuff you're talking about now.
Cause what it's reminding me of islike the book atomic habits talks
about, if you can do something for30 days, you can trick your body into

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thinking you've been that way for 30years, but it's so hard for those 30
days to fight those habits becauseyou're addicted to what you're used to.
And it's like what you said is I'mrealizing the reason you have an easier
time with the discipline is because you'vejust kept the discipline for so long.
That's not what your body and yourbrain knows, but it becomes really easy,

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like one or two days of going off andeating bagels and pizza and drinking
all of a sudden your body starts togo, well, this is what we do now.
And then it's very hardto get back on track.
So where is that fine line for youthat you have such great discipline,
but do you still allow yourselfsometimes to have the chocolate
cake or to go have a drink and like,where's the nice, happy medium there?
Oh, I think it's important.
You have to let yourself have thosecheat days, and I do that all the time.

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I don't need to clean this anymore.
And, but I just always madesure that I've, I try to
never ever get out of shape.
It's not like I, a lot of guyswould be at the gym and they'd be
like, okay, and they'd have a fightand they'd take off for a month.
And I'm like, I'm never doing that.
I'm never getting out of shape.
I don't want to get back into shape.
I will maintain.
So after a fight, my coacheswould be like, Chris, Do not come

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to the gym this week and like bylike Wednesday, I'm showing up
and what are you doing here, man?
I'm like, I'm just gonnahit the bag for a minute.
And they're like, get out of the gym.
And I'm like, I'm just goingto help these guys coat.
I'm like, I'm not staying away fora week and it's not going to happen.
And they were just laughing.
They're just like, whatever, man.
But I'm like, I just alwayshave that mindset of, man
I can't get away that much.
Like I said, it's, I don't even knowif it's laziness because the fact I

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don't want to get back in shape becauseI'm never going to get out of shape.
I just don't want to get out.
Only time I have hadany problems with that.
I remember like an ACL surgeryand I couldn't do anything.
So I'm on one leg trying to Do squats andjust always try and do anything I can.
I hate, I don't want to, I don't want tohave to get back into shape, especially
the older you get the worse it is.
So I just always have to, but likeI said, I, if you are too strict on

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yourself, if you never eat anythingbad, if you always work out every day, I
think that can be a problem too, becauseit's not a psychosis or something, but
it's just like an unhealthy addiction.
So, I ate lots of.
Not so great stuff.
I just do, here's where I'm at now.
Like when I what I actuallyshrink it a little bit.
When I am I'll go onvacation or something.
And if I stay in all inclusive,I'm like a little kid if I'm like,

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well, hell I paid for this food.
I better eat or I'm notgetting my money's worth.
So I will eat gluttonously tillI feel sick, it's embarrassing.
And then I'll come back and I'll be like.
And my game, like nine pounds whenI was going on vacation, I'll do I'm
gonna do a three day fast for 72 hours.
I'm not eating.
I'll just drink water.
And then I'll like, try andget my weight back to normal.
I'm like, okay.
Cause I have a little four pounds.
I got to stay in between.

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I'm not happy with myself.
So I got a four pound window.
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I love that, man.
So when we go into this now and you thinkabout the fact that you're so active and
you're like, you're in incredible shape.
I was telling Matt, I was like, man,even Matt, we were talking about it.
I trained with him yesterday.
We were talking about you.
And I was like, dude, Iwas like, I had no idea.
Obviously I know you're good.
You've been fighting forever, butlike your jujitsu was like, like I

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roll with a lot of good guys, man.
You're very good.
And I was like, dude,you just beat my ass.
And Matt was like, oh yeah, man.
He's we trained together a lot in thehouse, but I was like, I think it was like
a couple of days after your 50th birthday.
And I feel like growing up.
A 50 year old did not look likeChris Lytle and Matt Serra, that
is not how my grandparents look.
So how were you able to keeptraining and rolling and boxing

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and fighting at that level?
Even at that stage in your life, I feellike you're probably not training the
same way you did when you were in yourtwenties, but you're still training enough
that you're in fantastic shape, man.
So I hear people that go,Oh, I can't do that, man.
I'm 40.
I can't do that.
I'm 45.
I can't do that.
I'm 35.
I'm 40.
You're in like amazing shape at 50.
So what are some tips for people to keeptraining at a level that they can still

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healthy, be healthy, be competitive andstay on the mats without getting injured
or really any like lifelong damage?
Well, that's the thing is Ithink you have to be, start being
smarter about what you're doing.
Like you can't go out thereand go all out all the time.
That's one thing I feel like,when you roll with me, I'm
very loose and very relaxed.
Like I don't go hard the whole time.
I go hard in little spurts.

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So I've learned when I need to gohard and when I don't need to go hard.
And the other times I'm justrelaxing, trying to take it easy.
If you go hard the whole time,you're going to get hurt.
And I'm so stupid.
I still go out there and try andwrestle with these guys sometimes.
And every time I do, we get hurt.
But I'm like, Chris.
Be smarter, do notwrestle with these kids.
Cause that's when I keep hurting my knees.
I've had too many knee surgeries.
I'm like, it's not meant to be anymore.

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Chris, you don't need to golive with a 22 year old kid.
Who's trying to cut my hair and hurting,so just trying to be smarter about that.
At the same time, I've never beenone who, if I'm hurt, I'm not going.
So I don't mean hurt.
Hurt, not injured.
If you're injured, you can't keep going.
Cause you're going to really do damage,but you're always going to be hurt.
I'm always trying to makesure that I'm continuing to.
Not just bow down and belike, well, my leg hurt.

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Yeah.
Well, don't use that part of your leg.
That's the thing about rolling.
You should always be hurt.
And I always figure outokay, I can't use this wrist.
I can't use this knee.
You have to adjust and adaptwhat I might not be able to
do as well, but I don't care.
I'm just trying to go outthere at that point and roll.
So, I continue to just try to be mentallytough and fight through certain things,
but you can't fight through injuries.

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That's going to make it worse.
So then you really have to get it fixed.
That's great info, man.
I got one more thing I want to askyou on this whole mindset piece
and then we'll dig deep into BKFC.
When you hear a guy like yousay, man, like you have to be
delusional to be great at anything.
And then at the same time I alwaysfind guys like you fascinating because
you're obviously have, you have to havesome sort of confidence to get to the

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levels of anything that you've gottento and to swing the bat at that stuff.
But you're such a down toearth guy that seems to have
humbleness and humility as well.
So I feel like guys that are UFC fighters,guys that are really big business guys,
like you take a lot of wins and losses.
So how do you find that nice, Happymedium to being a bit delusional that

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you're capable of all these things, butalso knowing that Hey, like on the days
that I come in there and I take thosebeatings, how do you give yourself that
self talk when maybe you do have a badweek during training, where you're getting
used to ready for a fight, or maybeyou do have self doubt along the way.
Like what is some self talk orpositive mindset tips or tricks you'd
give to yourself to get your mindrealigned when it's getting a little

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hard or you feel like you're takingsome physical or mental beatings.
I think you just have tobe a realist with life.
And that really helps being ableto take everything and say, okay, I
did this today, and it didn't work,but you just say, there's a lot of
factors that can be involved in that.
And you just have to really understand.
We have, I've seen delusional guys whothink that they could do whatever, but I'm
like, you're, you have, you're not good.

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So it's amazing to be, we'll have some ofthese trials to the BKFC, people fly over.
A four hour flight.
And I'm like, all right.
And they're like they'venever really been trained.
I'm like, you have no shot at doing this.
What do you, you're delusionaland not good with it.
So, but if you're at a high leveland I've seen a lot of mental midgets
to some great fighters, some greatathletes, and they just can't get it
through their heads that they're great.

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So you just have to takeit it can be a risk.
Look at your.
You your body of work, what you've beenable to do, who you're going with, and
then understand there might be good andbad days, but you know your capabilities,
and that's what we have to focus on.
I am capable of this.
How do I make this happen?
How do I prepare myself to wherethe day of my fight, I'm going to
have the best chance of success.

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And that's all you can worry about.
You can train your ass off.
You can make yourself ready for that.
You can study your opponent.
You can do everythingyou're in your power.
And I would say that do everything inyour power to make your sex successful.
What can I do?
Really?
I can watch those videos.
I can be in the right mindset.
I can make sure I train as hard as I canand I can make sure my weight's on point.

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That's it.
Everything else I can'tcontrol what my opponent does.
I can't control what the referee does.
I can't control what the judges do.
Don't worry about none of that stuff.
You can't worry about that.
All you do by the time the fightcomes, if you've done your job,
you've trained your ass off.
If you've worked as hard as youcan, if you're ready to go, boom,
the fight's going to happen.
So don't sit there and dwell on it.
Don't think about it.

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Don't overthink it because all that doesis get your adrenaline going up to here.
And then you have thatadrenaline up for the fight.
So you just got to stay relaxed.
Focus on what you can focus on.
And that's how hard you worked outbefore and how hard you trained, how
hard your weight cut was be disciplined.
Don't go out there and eat everything.
And then two days beforewe got to lose 22 pounds.

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You just have to bedisciplined and work hard.
I love that, man.
And when you talk about disciplineand showing up, have you found that?
Cause one of the biggest thingsI've said to people that.
Martial arts has taught mewas to stay calm in chaos.
The first time I ever got punched in theface by a boxer, it was very different
than getting hit by some drunk one.
I was like, Oh my God, this is horrible.

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And I freaked out.
Like, all I could think about was Inever want to come back here again.
But then internally I was like.
I have to show up tomorrow.
I have to show up tomorrow.
And I feel like that control of thefear, which is something that Sarah
taught me before one of my fightswas this, the story of the hero and
the coward, they both feel scared.
It's one controls the fearand does amazing things.
And one lets the fear controlthem and lives a life of regrets.
And I would imagine that feelingyou get when the bell rings

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and you're about to go fight.
Has to be the same body type ofresponse you get when the bell rings
and you're about to run into a fireand you have to learn to control that.
So has your firefighter experiencehelped your fighting experience or has
your fighting experience helped yourfirefighter experience for being able
to recognize that adrenaline and beable to diffuse it and keep it calm

(37:33):
and stay calm, cool, and collected.
100%.
They're both very similar in that aspectis it's all about keeping calm in a non
calm situation where we're, organizedchaos and where chaos is ensuing and what
you have to do is like you talk about, youhave to be able to control your breathing.
You have to make sure.
You're not letting thatadrenaline get the better of you.

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Cause when adrenaline, man, it's amazing.
Like right after a fight, I'll go backsometimes and watch one of my interviews.
I'm like, I have no idea whatI'm talking about right there.
It's just me blathering.
It's almost like I'm looking atmyself from a different perspective.
Like you look like an idiot.
Cause it's that wasn't me talking.
Yeah, it was you.
I remember I got in a motorcycleaccident about five years ago.
And the ambulance showed upand it was the same thing.

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I'm ranting, I'm raving.
I'm just yelling.
I remember thinking, man,it was right after a fight.
Cause my adrenalinewent from here to here.
So, that, that's the main thing is,when I'm on the fire department,
if you let your adrenaline takeover, you're going to make mistakes.
I can remember one of the fires Iwas in and some of these houses,
they're all not put together, right?

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Not, I should say they'll make twoor three houses out of one house.
And so I went into one, I can hear thefire and they're just pushing hose.
And I was by myself.
Which was weird.
And they keep pushing all the hose andI'm trying to find the fire, but it's like
in a different part of the house, right?
It should have been the way Iwas going, but it wasn't because
they'd been like built new walls.
I remember I was just thinkingit was getting really hot.

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I got to get out of here.
And I couldn't I couldn'tfind where I was going.
Cause people don't realizethis ain't like the movies.
It's pitch black.
You can't see anything, so I can'tsee, I remember I'm like, okay, what
are they teaching recruit class?
They said, if you can't find your way.
Where you're going, justfollow the hose back out.
I was like, okay.
So I turned to follow the hose.
It was all, they kept pushing it in.
So it was all coiled up in a ballin the middle of the kitchen floor.

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So I'm like, Oh, I don'tknow how to get out of here.
This thing's getting really hotwhere you can tell eventually they'll
flash over and everybody gets burned.
So I was like, and that's whereI was like, okay, what do I do?
I said, just take your time.
Calm your breathing down for a minute.
So I got real quiet andI breathed for a minute.
There's a couple of breaths andthen I could hear off to the right.
I could hear other firefighters likein some other room doing something.

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So I was like, okay, go to the right.
So then I followed, found the hose andfollowed out, got out of the house.
But that's the same thing with a fight.
You just have to make sure whenyou're getting on bottom and
you're getting hit or whatever, youhave to make sure you're blocking
you're holding in the guy in tight.
You're like, okay, give me twobreaths and then you can start going.
So you have to control yourbreath, control your adrenaline.
And then your training should take over.

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That's awesome, man.
I remember when I was trying out forthe FDNY and one of the things they
did is they make you crawl througha tunnel and it's all like boxes
and it's all blacked in and they'relike, you got to go in and you got X
amount of time to find your way out.
And I was blown away.
How many guys came outand were like, I made it.
And then you're looking at them like,Dude, you came back out the wrong side.
Like you're, cause theyget so tangled up in there.

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You're like, Holy crap.
So it is wild watching that happen.
So as we talk about now danger,like you're used to running into
things when people are running out.
And over the years I've heardpeople tell me, I remember when
I was like, I started as a boxer.
I just started talking aboutMMA and everybody was like,
MMA, that's, it's cockfighting.
It's a brutal sport and dah,and the guys are animals.
And then I started meeting like guyslike Matt, Sarah, that were really

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sharp and funny and well together.
And then I would talk to boxers,man, that had been around for 30,
40 years and I meet them every dayand every day they'd be like, you're
a, and I was like, Jesus, dude.
And I realized like standing there,just getting hit in the head every day.
MMA has more options.
It's as much as people don't know,like uneducated, it might look like
it's a more brutal sport, but in manyaspects, it's actually safer than boxing.

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And now bare knuckle comes out.
And now I feel like you're having thesame thing where people are like, well,
that was bad, but now this is even worse.
And as you were saying, you werealluding earlier as I know this
sounds crazy, but there's actuallysome more protection with no gloves.
So talk about now the evolution of,We now have bare knuckle fighting and
it's exposing a lot of different ways.
And there's so many different thingswe can talk about with it, but talk a

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little bit about how you were exposedto it and how you became involved.
And then we'll dig a littlebit deeper into all of it.
So I remember when I first heard of bareknuckle fighting, I was going to the gym,
I go in one morning and somebody goesyou're good friends with Joe Riggs, right?
Oh, yeah.
He's here's a video of him doinga bare knuckle fight in England.
I said, what the hell's wrong with Joe?
I said, he's doing bare knuckle.
I was like, does he owe gangsters money?
What is going on?

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So I was like, I hit play on the video.
I expected to see him in a warehousewith a bunch of cars pulled up around
and like to shine the lights on it.
And I was like, okay.
And then he was like in a ring.
I was like, I have towait with the referee.
I was like, Oh shit, this is different.
And then I started watching and Iwas amazed at how technical it was.
Cause it's well, it makes sense.
Like you can't just wing punches.

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You'll break your hands.
If you hit the guy at the top of the head.
And if you just, you have to bevery good about not getting hit.
It was very technical.
So I was like, misses.
Not what I thought at all.
So it's funny after the third round,I look at my friend who showed me the
video and go, who's putting this on?
Who do I talk to get in?
The guy's you just said how stupid it was.
I was like, yeah, but now I see it.
I got as a combative athlete, Istarted fighting in the nineties.

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You could head, but therewas no weight classes.
You could do anythingthat reminded me of that.
So I was like, I got to get aholdof these people and do a fight.
So I finally got ahold of them.
They sent me to England for a fight.
And A couple months later, I come backand and they, Nate Shook called me up here
and said, Hey, we're starting BKFC here.
Well, what you involved?
And I was like, man, I'min this sounds great.

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So I got involved and it startedhad a couple fights, but I was
already like 40, 44 at the time.
I'm like, man, I ain't gotmany fights left in me, man.
I want to get into thecommentary aspect of this.
So, that's what happened.
And now I'm very fortunate tobe able to continue to come to
every fight and be part of it.
That's awesome.
And so what is the training like?
Like, how do you train?
How do you spar for that?
Like, how do you get ready for that?

(43:14):
Well, what I do is training isvery similar to a boxing match.
Only thing is you have to, you havethe boxing gloves on, but you can't
pretend you have boxing gloves on.
You got to pretend you don't.
So when I come in, I can blockeverything like this, a box and
you can't do that in bare knuckle.
So I'm doing the tryouts.
I do a little seminar.
I teach people, this is terrible.
You're going to get hookedright behind it and knocked out.
So you gotta be reallyworking on head movement.

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not getting hit, be elusive.
That's really a big focus and keepingyour hands out of the bar, they're
parrying a lot more in that aspect.
So now we'll wear the big glove, butthen sometimes I will put the little MMA
gloves on and do rounds like that as well.
You don't, you gotta gowith people you trust.
Like you can't crack, you can'tgo out there and hit hard.
But you've got to work on thoselittle gloves where you can't protect.
You got to work on the clinchbecause the clinch is legal, but

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I could grab the back of the head.
You can pull the head down.
You can hit them in the side.
You can move them out of the way.
So it's a little bit of a crossbetween the MMA and a boxing match,
but with just with no gloves.
So, you really have to train withpeople who understand the sport
because we've had people come inwho don't really quite get it.
And it's played so many boxers.
Think this is boxing with no gloves.
It's not.
It's bare knuckle.

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It's a big difference.
So they'll come in here I got this.
They don't got it.
They learn really quickly.
This is a difference for, especiallywith that clutch, they'll get clips and
they'll start, using all their muscles.
And they'll like, I'm like, man, if you'vehad MMA or Muay Thai, you understand
you can't waste your strength in there.
They don't do that.
They go all out and then they gasout after a round or two minutes.

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Man, it's pretty wild too, because Iknow for years people looked at the
big gloves and they always thoughtlike headgear and big gloves were
there to protect the guy's brain.
And I was like, no, it's therefor head, butts and hands.
It's almost worse because the paddingallows the guys to almost take
more shots than they should have.
And with those smaller gloves, dude, andpeople know, like when you first train
with the smaller gloves, those samepunches that you felt like you could block

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or pack, they come whizzing by your head.
You're like, Oh, likethis is not the same.
Everything's faster.
And so I feel like the small, thegloves, if you get hit with them, like
a lot of people are seeing damage, but.
Is it more because of cuts and thingslike that now and because you're making
direct contact, I feel like the fightsare going to more finishes because it's
actually better for your brain's responseis to shut off when it feels that trauma

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and like that padding almost has thatrepeat trauma where you don't have.
So it sounds weird, but I feel likeas far as brain trauma goes, bare
knuckles actually probably safer.
Oh, much.
I can tell you, I had 15 proboxing matches, about 60 MMA
fights, and three bare knuckle.
I've had, boxing's beenthe worst for my brain.
I promise.
It's by far been the worst.

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And all, like I said, all myfavorite boxers, they all have brain
damage at the end of their career.
You take 20 punches per round, and To thehead and every time that brain is hitting
the skull, that's it's just like whenthe NFL they keep talking about the CT,
you got big helmets on, but your brainis if you're going 20 miles an hour and
you suddenly stop the brain is gonnahit the school that you can't stop it.
I don't care how good the helmet is.

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I don't care what's goingif you're running fast and
you stop the rain his skull.
Every time that happens in a boxing match.
And in training, you're going toget hit a lot more in training.
If you have a fight coming up, youmight spar a hundred rounds, you're
getting hit a lot in the head, sothat brain is hitting the skull.
That's not a good thing.
With bare knuckle, if you're,if you get hit 20 times in a
round your face can be cut open.

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You're going to be a bloody mess, soyou're going to get more scar tissue.
You're going to get moresuperficial cuts, but you're not
going to get the brain damage.
I don't think you're going to getanybody who's sitting there taking
punches, hard punches like that.
Another thing I keep telling people,if I gave you 20 bucks to say, go hit
that wall really hard with no glove.
And then I give you a glove.
What are you going to get harder with?

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You're going to have wayharder with that glove.
So the punches are comingharder with gloves.
There's more of them.
If you really think about it,there's no way they're not doing
more brain damage than boxing.
So, I, like I said, I thinkbrain, what really scares me too.
I had, you see a lot of theseNMA guys right now and they're
falling in love with boxing.
They seen a guy who came out.
Oh, he made all this money.

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Conor McGregor fought Floyd.
They're making all this money.
It's I'm going to go make all this money.
I want to do this.
You're going to get wrecked.
Probably.
If you're slow down enough andyou're not quite a boxer, you're
just going to take a bludgeoning.
And you might do a lotof permanent damage.
You're probably older.
I don't want to see that, man.
I come, if you do anything, butit'll be definitely better for you.
But I don't want to see people comingand taking a lot of brain trauma who

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don't need to just unnecessary, butthat's why, like with us, people get
cut open a lot, the fights over itmight take a couple of hard shots,
but you're not going to get hit with,50, a hundred, 200 shots to the brain.
That's a terrible thing in boxing.
I love boxing.
Don't get me wrong, but man,it's not the best for you.
I'm with you on that, man.
So now how did it transpire that youwent from the fighter to the commentator?

(47:50):
No, it was great.
Since I, well, I felt when I talkedto Dave Feldman, as soon as I started
with him, I was like, look, man, I'veI've been doing this for since 1998.
I've been doing this forever.
I have boxing.
I got a lot of UFC experience.
I got bare knuckle.
I think I make a lot of sense.
Who else would you put it in?
Who could give you all theseaspects of different fightings now?
All right, we'll say, well, we'llgive you a, we'll give you a chance.

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And they put me in and I was likethe ringside reporter at first
like Dean Thomas does my buddy.
So I was doing that kind of in there.
Just, Hey, this is what's going on.
And, in this corner says they needto throw more jazz or whatever.
I would do my thing fora couple of flights.
And then they had me do a couple ofthe prelims and they liked what I said.
And they started throwingme on the main car.
So it's been great.

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So as far as commentating now you havea really cool gig where you get to
fly around, like sometimes two, three,four weeks in a row, you just came back
from Spain, you were in Utah, you wereall over the place and you get to go
out and see these different things andsit cage side and do what you love.
So are you able to go out and experienceany of the cities or the places or the
people or the cultures when you're inthese cities or it is all business.

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Now, I'm so lucky with the BKFC.
Like usually when I get there, Iinterview every fighter and as soon
as I want to see what they have,how the fights going to go to them.
So if we have 11 fights, Igot 22 interviews I got to do.
So he's been trying to take care of it.
Oh yeah.
It's a long time, but then usuallythe day of weigh ins we're done.
So, they don't even, a lot oftimes if I'm at the weigh ins, I'm
just loud and in the way, so theydon't even really want me there.

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So I'm like, all right, cool.
I like when we were in Sturgis,I was like, okay, I'm going
to go to Mount Rushmore.
So we went to Mount Rushmore that day.
And then the next day, the dayof the fight and we'd have to be
at the fight still five o'clock.
So, I got up at nine we at nineo'clock, we went out and we went to a
Deadwood, like I watched that series.
Deadwood, I loved it.
So I was like, I'm gonnago check out Deadwood.
I always try and find things to go out anddo when I'm at some of these cool places.

(49:40):
There's always, I don't care what city youare, there's something cool to do there.
Just go check it out.
So we always make sure we find time toget out and don't just sit in a hotel.
That's that's a waste of,the opportunity we have.
And so we try and make surewe go out and do something.
Now we don't go out and drink.
We don't go out and party.
I can't do that.
And be part of this company.
I want to make sure my voiceis good for the next day.
So I was trying but of course I'm goingto go out and hike or do something fun.

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And as a professional, which you obviouslyare, how much prep work is involved
in because it, like with UFC, you canjump on fight pass and you can watch
the guys last five, 10, 15, 20 fights.
But some of these guys are coming fromother sports, but some of them are not.
And there's not, especially like onthe bare knuckle side, even if you have
stuff in other sports, you don't reallyhave a lot of footage or background on

(50:25):
a lot of them, obviously it's gettingbetter, but some of it's a blank page, so.
What kind of research or prep work doyou do before to get really prepped
for calling these fights for guys thatyou might not have a ton of footage on?
Well, like I said, we always look at theirbackground okay, are they on box record?
Are they on topology or try and findtheir records and see what they've done.
Then we, but the main thingis we interview everybody.

(50:46):
Like I said, well, we'll do a 20 minuteinterview with every guy in the car.
We're going to talk to them about that.
Give us your athletic background.
Do you play any sports at high school?
What do you think about your opponent?
How's he going to come try and fight you?
What are the most important punches?
What range you want to stay in?
Are you gonna try and clinch him?
We make sure we go overeverything to try and find out.
How this guy's going to try and fight him.
And a lot of times we'll knowstuff about them from their past.

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Some of the guys who came throughthe tryouts, which I run the trial.
So I know a little bit about thembecause I've already talked to them.
Always trying to see what they've beenable to do from their sparring, how hard
they hit just a little bit of everything.
And if they haven't been there,then we try and get as much
of a picture as we can from.
Internet from the internetor just from talking to him.
So, man we make sure we take pridein the fact that we always are going

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to try and treat the guy who's firston the card, just as well as we
treat the guy who's last on the card.
If you're the main event, the prelip,if you're kicking off the show, you're
going to get everything from us.
Cause you deserve that.
Yeah.
I'll be very honest here.
I didn't think I was goingto like it that much.
The reason I started watching itwas because I was a fan of you.
And I was like, well, dude,Chris Lytle is doing this.
Like I love listening to Chris Lytle.

(51:50):
Let me go support him.
And so I watched it for you, butthen I stayed for the fights.
I was like, dude, this is pretty awesome.
You're watching like freaking MikePerry and Luke Rockhold and, he's not
going to, it's just, it's a totallydifferent game and it's very exciting.
As you guys were talking, I think thecard you had done like right before we
trained, I think you were like, dude,there was like, 11 fights and 11 finishes.
Like it's just, it's exciting.

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It's what people want to see.
They want to see a,like a slobber knocker.
And that's like whatyou're getting there, man.
So it's a totally different thing,but as, as amazing as it is, I feel
like we scratched the surface andit's about to catapult because there's
some people know Connor McGregorjust jumped on board with there.
So talk a little bit about whatConnor's doing now and how you think
that's going to affect the growth ofbare knuckle fighting championship.

(52:31):
I was just so happy when I actuallygot a chance to talk to Connor.
Like He sees in this sport, what I wastalking about, what I saw when I first got
involved with it this is different, man.
This is old school.
This is raw.
This is real.
And he sees that he gets it.
He's I can always tell when I'm talkingto certain fighters and they light
up when they see what we're talkingabout, their eyes, I want to do that.
And I'm always like,you're a real fighter.
You would have been fine.

(52:52):
You would have been banging back in 1998.
When you wouldn't have been one ofthose guys, you're like, there was a
lot of pushback, but it was only, Thefighters weren't better back then,
but they were all real fighters.
They were hardcore and theywere just, they were tough.
They're not, they weren't asgood, but they were tough.
But that Connor sees it like that.
And he understands what this should be.
Cause I would talk about like, whenI'm, when I go to a place, let's

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say you go to a party and there'sUFC party, there's a lot of people
there who might not be big UFC fans.
There might be some girls there.
There might be some peoplewho's just talking a lot.
And it's especially afight that's a lot of.
A lot of groundwork, which Ilove groundwork, obviously.
But the problem with the groundwork inthe UFC is people got so high level.
It's hard to get a greatsubmission anymore and I'm

(53:35):
going to get a really good joke.
How many, like really goodsubmissions do you see anymore?
Not very many becausepeople are so damn good.
So in a way, a lot of times when peopleget to the ground, they just trying to
gain position so they can win the round.
And when you get that, you're going toget a lot of these fair weather fans or
females who are watching her going eh,nice to go back to their conversation
or go grab a beer or whatever.

(53:57):
We don't have that embarrassing rightthere about this might end right now,
so, I think that's our huge advantage.
And I think people like that thefact that they're fast paced.
There are five, two minuterounds that go quick.
People get wrecked and we, soonas the fight's over, we're like,
all right, next one right back up.
There's not like a 20 minute periodwhere we're going to talk about, the

(54:17):
title fight back in the next stream.
We're going to put on a lot of fights.
We're going to put on, 10 to 12 fights.
They're all going to be pretty rapid pace.
There's going to be a lot ofknockouts and I think people like it.
I know Connor appreciates it.
One thing I really love, I saw Dan Hookerat this last fight, in spade, he was cool.
So I talked to him for a little bit.
And his eyes lit up.

(54:38):
I was like, Oh you're going to do a fight.
Don't worry.
And then I just saw a clip ofhim being like, man, as far as
entertainment, he's BKFC is the mostentertaining thing in combat sports.
And I was like, damn, he sees it.
He gets it.
He knows the real fighters get it, man.
And people who are fair weather fans,I think they haven't watched this yet.
Once they're, like I said, if you get.

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If you don't like when peopleare on the ground in, in, in
MMA, you'll love Bare Knuckle.
You just don't know itcause you ain't seen it yet.
Once you see it, I'mlike, man, this is fun.
Yeah, it is a lot of fun.
And it's definitely working.
Cause over the last couple of months sinceConor's been on board, he's cutting promos
and he's not even the fighter there.
Like he's constantly rolling in.
There's all this speculationabout who he's going to fight.

(55:21):
You got little heathen popping onthings, Jeremy Stevens and stuff.
So it's bringing back a lot of these guysthat we liked that kind of were, and,
honestly, what I like about it too is, yousee some of these guys that like, over the
years that you came up with that, they putso many miles on them before they really
had a shot to make any money doing it.
And then it's like a guy like JeremyStevens is a great example where I'm sure

(55:41):
he did okay in UFC, he was always the guywho put his body on the line, put his life
on the line and really bought it there.
And now he almost gets like a secondwin that he can come in here and
he can do it again when he canget some really good paychecks
for it and get some good exposure.
And he's got a place to go after theUFC where it's almost like the military
do like guys get out and then they havethis like loss of a sense of identity.
And now you guys are giving thema place to go find it again.

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But not only that, but I keep tellingthe UFC fighters, it's man, you do
a UFC role for about 15 years and dowrestling and Jiu Jitsu in that camp.
Your body's a little shot.
There's, it hurts your body.
Go to a bare knuckle fight.
Go to a boxing camp.
Easiest thing in Oh like you go in,I was, I don't always leave the gym.
Be like, that's it.

(56:24):
I'm not exhausted.
I feel like I didn't work hard enough,but then I can go do my sprints.
It's just it's so mucheasier on your body.
It's ridiculous.
And I keep saying, if you've beendoing the sport of MMA for 10 or
12 years, do a bare knuckle fight.
And you're like, thatwas, I can do 10 of these.
Like I can easily do more of these.
It's so much easier on your body.
I think a lot of fighters aren'treally going to like that aspect.
Man, that was.

(56:44):
That was cool.
That was like the wrestling and jujitsu,which I love, but it takes it out
of you, man, physically, it's tough.
Yeah, I agree with that too.
I remember I took a break from MMAto fight in the golden gloves because
they cut it off at a certain age.
And it was like the lasttime I could actually do it.
And I remember it was like, Iwas running 10 miles, I was doing
10 rounds of bag work, but itwas that's all you have to do.

(57:04):
It's Yeah.
Yeah.
Like I don't have to likejujitsu and grappling around.
Like it's, it is like a nicelittle refreshing Oh yeah.
Like just the hands, likeno kicks, no leg stuff.
And honestly, that used to mess me up.
The worst is like a couple ofleg kicks in the wrong spot.
Like you can't bend down for a week.
Like I can't train through it.
So it was nice just focusingon the boxing and stuff, man.
So I agree with that, man.
I think it's exciting.

(57:26):
Yeah.
Like I said, there's nothinglike, I can't tell that sits
in my mind though, getting me.
I would feel like Ididn't work hard enough.
I didn't work hard enough.
I'm not exhausted.
And I remember I, one buddy, he's weused to train together and he went to
a place, Orangetheory, I'm not sure ifyou had those out in New York, but okay.
So, and he was just like, man, hewent to Orangetheory and he was like,
they can't be like, slow down Alex,you're in the red, slow down, he's

(57:46):
chris I felt like I didn't work out.
It was like, we went way too hard.
We weren't supposed to go that hard.
I was like, Hey, I'm learningthat I get you're right.
But that's just how wewere back in the nineties.
We were like the blindly in the black.
We knew we were doing, wedidn't have great trainers.
We didn't have great technique.
We had.
Go hard and be tough.
That was it.
And that's what we did.
And I stuck with that mywhole life pretty much.

(58:06):
So that's a great transition aswe start to wrap up, man, you've
been awesome with your time.
I really appreciate it.
Well, I went to your fight forthe ultimate fighter for finale.
That was the first UFC ever wentto, and, we're talking about it.
Joe Riggs was there and Edwin Dewey's.
And we were, I was telling you howdude, it was that there was like
two or three rounds of chairs, max.
And then a little bit of a standing roomaround the cage and somebody was yelling

(58:27):
at Joe Riggs sitting right next to me andJoe Riggs got out of the cage and went
up to the guy like it was that close.
And then you go to where we are today,where it was the days of maybe there was
a thousand people that came to UFC fight.
And the training was you literallyjust spar hard every day.
And if you make it through thecamp, you make it to the fight.
So now we just had a UFC atthe Sphere, that was like a

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21 million dollar production.
UFC 300, Ali Quinta fought in front of30, 000 people the sports changed and
now you have Karate Kombat, you have aguy who just got a million dollars for
CJI, and now we have Bare Knuckles, so.
You've been around and watched this sportgrow on an insane level, and now you're
having all these things branch off.
So, seeing that transition, whatdo you think is the future now?

(59:09):
Like, where can this go, whatfive, ten years from now?
UFC, MMA, grappling, bare knuckle,what are some things happening in
the sport that you predicted whereit's going to go in the future?
I think the funny thing tome is there's only two sports
in the world that are global.
Soccer, because, what do you need?
You need a ball.
Anybody in the world can do it.
You don't need all thisequipment or everything.

(59:30):
So all you need is a ball,so, and use your feet.
See, the world all appreciates andunderstands soccer, pretty much besides U.
S.
The only other thing is fighting.
So the other only other sportsthat people all appreciate, love
and understand, appreciate issome kind of combative sports.
I think this UFC better go back.
It is going to continue to grow.
I think.

(59:51):
Where the UFC has been so smart andbeen so good as eventually they go,
man, let's get a guy from England.
Boom.
Okay.
Now we've got a chance for me.
Let's go to Spain.
Let's get a guy from there.
Let's go to, let's go to, everylittle nook and cranny in this world.
They're getting the guy from China.
They're getting people from all streets.
They're getting people globally.
And that's made the whole worldlove fall in love with UFC.
So I feel, I, when I keep tryingto tell people like, why are

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people like in boxing and then MMA?
Why are we?
Why are we trying to competeagainst each other for that 30
percent of the people watching?
I want to make 50 percent ofthe world watch combative sports
because if they watch UFC, they'llprobably watch bare knuckle and
they'll probably watch what, boxing.
So let's work on letting everybodyknow that these are the most
important sports in the worldbecause everybody can do them and are

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everybody getting to understand it.
So we're trying to get the whole world.
And then instead of fighting forscraps, we can say, Hey, let's
make everybody combative sports.
Fans and that's what Ithink is going to happen.
I think a lot of these people are gettingtired of people in the NBA or in the NFL.
Like I made 112 million last yearand I don't think I deserve more.
I'm like, people aretired of that stuff, man.

(01:00:58):
I want to hear that.
I want you people tellme how to live by law.
I couldn't care less aboutwhat an NBA player thinks.
I think that a free man doesn'tunderstand they've been treated
different since they were 16.
Seventh grade because they wereprobably eight foot tall and they like,
they've been, they don't get real life.
So I want to hear what you have to say.
So I think most fighters are humble.
They're down to earth.
And like they're putting on some of themost entertaining sports goes out there.

(01:01:23):
I love it, man.
We had Shaquille O'Neal came toone of our fights, and he sat down
and he, first of all, I put his bigold like paws over my shoulders.
I'm like, who the hell?
And No, he sat down there and commentateda show with our sport, a fight with us.
And you just talk about how these fightersare the best athletes in the world.
Talk about like fighters or MMA guys.

(01:01:45):
Like they appreciate,they understand that.
Yes.
Well, these guys train harder.
They do more than anybody else.
It's a total, like I said, basketball,you're going to practice over.
This is a total life mindset.
It's never over every day.
You have a fight camp for six weeksthat fights on your mind for six weeks.
It's never gone.
It's never not there.
So.

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I think as people are seeingit and appreciating it, I think
people, as this world continuesto progress, I think this works.
I think they're just goingto keep blowing up, man.
You never stop evolving and you neverstop bringing entertainment and surprises
to people just like your sport does.
So the same way you constantly bringsurprises to us, I want to bring a

(01:02:27):
surprise to you and I want to bringyou a very special guest today.
I have Matt, the Terra Sarahcrashing the party to come and
say hi to Chris lights out a lot.
Oh, boom.
Two legends.
What you got there, homie?
I don't see Chris.

(01:02:48):
You don't see him?
I see your mug all the time.
Where's Chris?
I can see Matt right there.
Yes!
How you been, baby?
Dude, good to see you, man.
Hey, man, I keep hearing we'regoing to get together here soon.
Alex is trying to make it happen.
We're going to get togetherand do some stuff together.

(01:03:09):
It's going to be great.
Your buddy Alex, what a nice guy.
Nicky Knuckles, do you knowour, me and Chris's friend Alex?
It's Chris's friend,but I'm his new friend.
Do you know him?
No, I don't think so.
Well, Chris.
Who is this guy?
He's a a real estate guy.
Yeah.
And he, he's friends with thegreat Chris Lytle, Bas Rutten.

(01:03:30):
And he wants to get us out.
And what he does is he takes us outand we mingle with his potential
clients and people, correct?
Oh yeah, that's it.
And you know what's so hard though?
It's not so much me.
I'm not blaming you guys,but you're a lot busy.
You Chris and boss rooting.
No, they got the bed.
Chris is with the bad knuckleboss rooms with the karate combat,

(01:03:52):
they're all over the world.
I'm late, but I just, I'm available.
Hey man, I'll make it work, baby.
We're going to make this work.
I got to get together, hang outwith my guy, see him in a while.
But man I guess that, Nick, I gotto tell you the only reason I.
You were there's because Matt'sbounce for, like anybody's
afraid of Matt, he you're good.

(01:04:14):
My book.
But after I got to knowyou, yes you're fantastic.
But anytime Matt drops the, Hey,this guy's coming by, man, you
could come stay at my house.
I don't care.
Yo, Chris, isn't it crazy thatthe ultimate fighter was like,
how many years ago was that?
Damn, it was like 18.
No, it was 16.
Come on.
Hey, dude.
18 years ago.
Damn.
We're old that what happened,? We are, dude, I'm 50 now.

(01:04:36):
How old are you?
I'm too.
I just turned 50.
Dude, you don't age though, bro.
I feel like we're back in the house.
You look.
Dean Thomas looks good too.
Dean Thomas was my co-hostthe other day on unfiltered.
Yeah, I know right away.
I called him out.
He looked like Pharrell.
He had a fucking filter on.
I go, you fucking, Igo, what are you doing?
He's got a little Hollywood.

(01:04:56):
Dean Thomas.
Yo.
Hey, Nikki knuckles.
Just so you know, it was myself andone bunk bed Drago on the bottom
and across was Dean Thomas and ChrisLytle and the other bunk bed and
we had a great room and it was fun.
We had a great time in general.
That was great, man.
Especially, Me and you, we neverlost anything in the house.

(01:05:17):
It was a great experience.
Hey man, it's funny.
Like we always, I remember me andyou sitting there talking about it.
Dude, I, but there's no placein the world to be right now.
A lot of people arelike, I don't have my TV.
I don't have my phone.
I'm like, I don't give a shitabout none of that stuff, man.
I get to trade with some of the bestpeople in the world right now and learn.
This is this is amazing.
So I never will forget.
That experience that it was definitelymy best part of my fight crew is

(01:05:40):
being on that show with you guys.
It was a great experience, man.
They put us in a pickle in thefinale where, you know, and it's
where I'm going to, I'm onlybringing it up cause it worked out.
It worked out for two reasons.
One at the night, it didn't feellike it worked out the night.
Your buddies are making afucking voodoo doll of me.

(01:06:00):
But, it was a weird, it wasa weird fight in general.
Definitely could have went eitherway, but it's so by the judges,
everybody saw something different.
But the reason why I'm sayingit worked out since then.
You went on a tear on fight ofthe night bonuses and just, you
were the guy that would, peoplewere tuning in for fucking action.
You went on a tear, unleashedChris Lytle unleashed.

(01:06:23):
Sounds like a weird porno, but it's not.
And then to cap it, Chris, just like that.
I'll let you, I just want tomake sure I add this to cap it.
You gave me a beating in your hometown.
So what a better way of getting revenge.
Is to put those soup bones on my head.
First of all, I want to talkabout one part about that, that

(01:06:44):
I still have problems with.
And it really bothered me forever waswhen you told me that Joseph had told
you, I've been begging for that fight.
Cause I told, I never bought your name.
I've won.
I never won that fight again.
We were boys.
I didn't like the first fight.
I thought it was boring guys with you.
I thought, man, I felt bad, but then wefound out, like you told me that like
at the ways or something, I rememberwhen I said, Joe, get over here.

(01:07:06):
And he him hauled around and Iwas like, dude, what professional?
You tell me, I got to fight Matt.
I'll tell, I'll fight him.
Don't make up a shit about it because thatmakes it sound like I'm going behind his
back and that bothered me to no end, man.
Cause I would never do that, man.
That, that, that killed me, man.
I brought up many times to me.
I'm glad the way that worked out too.
I'm glad because you went out thereand shot the world and won that title.
That helped that change your life in manyways and set you up for life in many ways.

(01:07:29):
But then, like I said, Iwent the other direction.
Yeah.
But it made me learn and work and say,okay, I can do anything now because
after I figured out, I said, fuck, I'mgoing to go try and knock people out
and going, you said I won this tear.
That was because I changed my mindset.
So I might not have done that.
I hadn't won.
I'm so glad it workedout the way it did, man.
People said, do you wishyou had won that fight?
No, I don't now.
I don't cause I wouldn'thave been the same person, so

(01:07:52):
I'm, I couldn't be happier.
It doesn't keep you up at night.
I'll tell you right now.
I don't have any fights that keep meup at night to be honest with you.
Right.
Cause I feel even if I didn'tget redemption in one way with
one guy, I got it in the other.
In a sense where.
I wasn't happy with some of mygroundwork in the George game.
So I went to work so hard for the FrankTrigg fight because I figured, oh, Matt

(01:08:13):
Hughes, I figured I'd be on my back.
And then I knocked out Trigg,so it didn't get to Matt.
But I just like to bring, Ijust like to bring that up.
Is what I'm fucking her up.
But no, seriously, Chris, it did work out.
I think you're like you're like me.
I think you're one of the few guysI can think of in this sport who At
the end has good, like it's positive.
Like how many people are bitterat the end of their career?

(01:08:34):
It's sad.
So many people are bitter cause theyget knocked out for the last five, five.
So they're just bitter with this sport.
I know I'm happy with how mysport, and I know you are too.
And that's what makes me happyto see the people I like or are
doing well, prosper, and theyhave positive views of this sport.
Yeah, man, I was talking about itwith Frankie the other day when I
had Frankie on my podcast and wewere talking about now we're old

(01:08:55):
enough where we, we were like, thesecond generation in there, right?
The second group of guys, the pioneers,we see a lot of casualties, man.
Listen, different kindsof cows casualties.
You got the Phil Barone in thewar machines, extreme casualties.
And then you got guys that it'snot a casualty, but you lived,
you're living a rock star life.

(01:09:16):
And, you're traveling, you'regetting flow, you're training
to fucking be a weapon.
You get the flown out, you stay in a nicehotels, you get in a world of the crowd.
And then when you got a clock into anine to five out of some people like it.
And if that's their, that's thedecision, that's I'm all for it.
Other guys do it out of necessity.
And it's more of now I got to startmy whole career now at this at 40.

(01:09:37):
I feel for them too, if that'snot what they're liking.
Horrible, man.
I couldn't do it, man.
I'll let you know as I go watch fightsand get paid to talk about it, man.
My life is fantastic.
I absolutely love the bare knuckle.
I got to get you out to a fight, man.
I got to get you to one.
You, and you did a bareknuckle, didn't you?
I did three of them, yeah.
Oh, you fucking.
Now, listen, are youretiring by the way, Nikki?

(01:09:58):
I know this is your interview.
I'm sorry, Nick.
I'm catching up with an old friend.
How do we do?
We did our thing.
This is you guys.
This is what I live for.
I'm retired from everything.
I'm retired from the fire department.
No fighting, nothing.
All I do is bare knuckle commentary,but do the trouts for it.
So do we just put on anamazing fight in spade?
It was sick, man.
It was unreal.
I love that you're doing that.

(01:10:19):
Boss is involved with thekarate combat, which is fun.
Also.
I like they fight in that pit.
The bare knuckles, a whole other.
It's a whole other sport.
Even the striking is, it'sa little different, right?
Is there something to it now thatthis is coming around where we used
to make fun of the old school J.
R.
Sullivan?
Is there something with the knuckles?

(01:10:40):
Is there something with theway they're fucking striking?
Well, the reason they were doingthat is you had to have straight
punches because they're fightinglike 45 rounds or there was no way.
So you had to have straight punches.
You throw a wing of punches, you hitthe side, you're breaking your head.
You can't fight 45 rounds of broken hands.
So it's what we've had a coupleof guys who come out like this and
throw, but they don't do it long.

(01:11:00):
Cause it's not a good technique.
You better have the hands in front,but yeah, it steps the balls, but
no, that was designed for a reasonto have those straight shots.
But man it's a lot of fun to watch.
Like I said if you just if you watchthe last fight, we put on the main
event, the one we just had a spade,it looked like Rocky too, man.
I swear both guys hadenough and it was too.

(01:11:20):
It was five two minute rounds.
It's not that long of atime, but they went to war.
It was amazing.
Is Mike Perry still involved with it?
I don't know.
Conor McGregor said he fired himthe other day, so we'll have to see.
Conor McGregor could do that?
He holds the power over that thing?
Conor McGregor is one of thepartners now, so we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
I don't know, man.
He brought in.
So, Conor loves this sport, man.

(01:11:41):
I think he's going to do a fight.
That's my theory.
He loves a lot of things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's an interesting guy.
Yeah.
I never met him.
He seems a little off the rails, but, Heyman, you can't give him that much money.
You're coming up a kid from Ireland.
You have nothing.
Now you've got everything.
You become a little bit of a TonyMontana, let me tell you something.

(01:12:02):
So I met him in Sturgis and he had a bunchof guys with him and they were Irish.
I was like, ah, whatever.
And my buddy said, those guyswhere I was like, no, those
were his high school buddies.
Like it really goes.
That's who he hangs out with.
So like that meant a lot to me.
I was like, okay, he's not a guywho's just gonna, I'm a big shot now.
He's still hanging out with his guys.
That kind of meant something to me.
I liked that here when I heard that.
Another thing to point out ishe never left Cavanaugh and

(01:12:25):
Cavanaugh is a solid dude.
I know him, it's so funny.
One time Aljo went over thereand they kept, they took good
care of him John Cavanaugh.
So I DM'ed Cavanaugh saying, Heyman, my, my guy was over there and
I heard you were really Good to him.
So thank you.
And he wrote back thatyo man, he was very nice.
And he said that he went to a seminarI did to in London when I was 28

(01:12:48):
years old, right after, or beforeI fought BJ Penn, and he still
uses some of the same concepts as.
Just controlling the distanceto what I, this is wild.
So it's funny.
I didn't even realize that weird.
I guess again, it's just showing our age.
We were just talking aboutearlier, how it kills me.
We're a lot of guys.
They'll lose a fight.
Then they move.

(01:13:08):
GFs.
Oh, I gotta be over hereat American top team.
I gotta be, it's man it's you.
It's not the gym.
Quit trying to make excuses forshit that you can't win 'em all,
man, to quit making excuses.
Yeah.
Is I tell my guys there's no magic pill.
There's no, you put the work in,there's no magic pill, and then,
there's, that comes down to theindividual, because there's a lot of
guys out there that just, what's up?

(01:13:29):
What are they doing over here?
I remember Phil Barones father.
This guy was a real piece of workand it shows you where to get.
And I fought BJ Penn.
I lost that night.
He knocked out Dave Manet.
We were at Mohegan Sun and I was talkingto them and I remember him going to me.
I tell Phil, you might be workingwith this guy over here, but if
the guy across the street couldhelp you, you go there to this guy.
You don't know this guy.
Nothing.

(01:13:49):
He's not in a cage.
He's not.
And I'm like, I'm thinking to myself,that mentality is going to get you
really fucking far, and now here we are.
I don't know.
And he's in a Mexican prison, but listen,Hey, who's I don't judge Chris, man.
I got to go pick up my kid.
I'm glad I stopped in to say hello.
We caught up.
Nikki.
You still there?
Yeah, I'm here, man.
I appreciate you coming on.
This is awesome.

(01:14:10):
And before you go, you got,you guys both have podcasts now
you got the lights out podcast.
We got geeking out with MattSerra brand new on top of
UFC on filter plug away, sir.
Oh, I'll get out of here real quick.
I just, I want to Chris togive his plugs and everything.
I'll just say I have the MattSarah channel on YouTube.
If anybody wants to subscribe tothat, Chris, and you got to jump on.
We got to talk about whatwe want to talk about.

(01:14:30):
I, how about this?
Chris Lytle, I just had Frankie Edgar on.
We did our top three Van Damme movies.
I did my Batman movies the other day.
I did my X Men movies.
That might not be your cup of tea.
I did gangster movies with Longo.
I saw that.
I thought that you had to go through this.
Hey, if you could think of somethingyou're into, man, I don't know.
We could think about it, but even justcatching up, we can think about it.

(01:14:53):
I love you, man.
Let me know.
Get a hold of me.
I'm in.
Definitely, man.
Great catching up with you, man.
And Knuckles, I'll see you soon.
Definitely, man.
Thank you for coming on, brother.
I appreciate it.
Later, guys.
Take care.
What a good guy, man.
Nah, he always says waterfinds its own level, man.
And I know you guys found youfound friendship through that
house all these years later.
And it's it was pretty wild dude,to be like just starting out getting

(01:15:14):
into jujitsu, watching you to fightat the ultimate fighter finale.
And then training with both of you.
And now, would you say 16 years later,all of us have podcast and you come on.
So like a full circle, cool moment forme, I was like in the middle of that,
watching that dude how cool is this?
That was pretty awesome, man.
But what I love, man, as I watch peopleand I talk to them and it reminds me.
When I do conferences for realestate, like sometimes the guy's

(01:15:36):
wife or husband will go away.
And the second they leave, they're like,Oh, my wife's such a pain in the ass.
I'm sorry, but I always take noticewhen somebody is like spouse or friend
walks away and you're like, let mejust tell you, she's been the best.
He's been the best.
And I feel like that's you guys, man.
Every time I'm ever around andyour name comes up anywhere around
Matt, Sarah, he stops to tellabout what an awesome dude you are.
And same thing.

(01:15:56):
Every time I bring up his name to youor it pops up, I always see you saying
more positive things about him, man.
So.
I always love people thatsupport people that I love.
And you've always been a great ambassadorto Matt Saruman and vice versa to you.
So I appreciate that.
You've always been so good to me, camedown, beat me up like a gentleman, taught
me some things and I stayed in touch, man.
So how can we support you, man?
Talk about BKFC, your bourbon,your book, your foundation.

(01:16:19):
What are the best ways that you wouldlike to tell people to connect with you?
If anybody needs me to come speak oranything about any anti bullying stuff,
I'm on Instagram at chrislightsoutlido.
Let me know.
I like to try and comeand do anything I can.
I have four kids, one of them,my youngest son has autism.
So I've always something I've been awareof trying to make sure, especially for,
Things people have no control over, man.

(01:16:41):
I really a soft spot in myheart for trying to help people.
So, love to do that.
If you want to pay attentionto bare knuckle please.
I know you won't be disappointed.
It's up and coming.
I think it's going to be someof the people really like, so,
follow me there and follow me.
Like I said, my Instagram and just anytimeyou got any questions, let me know.
I promise I'll hit you back.
That's awesome.
And if they want to connect on BKFC, dothey follow the, is it on like a certain

(01:17:03):
platform that they can follow a certainwebsite we're on this zone now, so you
can do the zone or you can we also havethe BKFC app and it's eight bucks a month.
And we, you're going to put onprobably two fights a month.
So you get it's a great deal.
That's super awesome, man.
And then you got your gym down in Indiana.
So you're training that.
Just there this morning,man, and yesterday.
So we had some good rounds in today.

(01:17:25):
You should have been there.
I look forward to gettingback there for anybody.
Listen, man, if you get a chance to stopin there and get some rounds in with Mr.
Chris lights out light onhis jujitsu is fantastic.
It's taught me stuff.
I never forget class act onthe mats and off the mat, sir.
So.
You have bought your a game toeverything you've done in life,
in fighting and in business.
And this interview has been no different.
You definitely bought youra game here today, man.
I appreciate your time.

(01:17:45):
I appreciate your friendship.
And I appreciate you bringingon and dropping some knowledge
and some great stories today.
Any final thoughts before I letyou go about your busy day, sir.
Hey, Nick, just I love what you're doing.
Just keep going up.
Keep killing it.
I love the fact your mindsetis anything you want to do,
you're going to accomplish it.
And that's the kind of people liketo be around with people who don't
find reasons why things can't happen.

(01:18:06):
You find reasons why canand you make them happen.
That's fantastic.
So I like to be around likeminded people, the people.
So anytime you get a chance to hang outwith me, I'd be more than happy to do it.
Likewise, sir.
Looking forward to catching a BKFC soon.
Shout out to Mike Daviesfor connecting us, man.
That guy's been such a studand shout out to Pete Drago.
Sell another another mutual friend, man.
But thank you so much for all you do.

(01:18:28):
Chris lights out ladders.
Ladies and gentlemen,have a fantastic day.

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