June 9, 2025 • 58 mins
Join Nick Lamagna on The A Game Podcast with our guest Regan Archibald the founder of Ageless Future and author of the Peptide Mastery Course who is also an entrepreneur, podcast host and speaker. His desire to not be a farmer. After going through his own health trials and tribulations he is now known as one of the leading longevity experts in the nation. He specializes in regenerative therapy and the very popular PEPTIDES!
He is the co-founder of Go Wellness and is regarded as a highly sought after functional medicine practitioner and the man who can scientifically help you live your best life by improving energy, sleep, muscle mass, cognitive function, weight loss and overall quality of life. His Ageless Future Program helps identify the root causes in your body that are often overlooked or misdiagnosed by modern doctors. He is a dad, an athlete, a cold plunger and a biohacker!
See the show notes to connect with all things Regan and East West Health Clinic!
Topics for this episode include:
✅Where and when to start improving your health
✅What happens to your body during cold plunges
✅What are peptides and how do they works on faster healing
✅Why is it important to get proper peptides
✅The importance of the future proof injury treatment + more!
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Welcome to the A Game podcast withNick Limania digging into the minds and
experiences of some of today's brightestentrepreneurs in real estate and business,
along with Hollywood Stars, UFC fighters.
And your favorite rock bands.
People that have figured out how toovercome obstacles, take chances.
Live boldly.
And no matter what they do,they always bring their A game.
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This podcast, the A Game podcast,realistic Investing for entrepreneurs.
It's all about showing averagepeople every day that they can
achieve extraordinary thingsin life and in business.
And this episode is no different.
We have 350 plus of the best podcastepisodes of some of the best guests
in the country, from UFC fighters, tomusicians, to entertainers, to some of
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the biggest real estate investors, healthprofessionals, and business owners.
In the entire world coming on andsharing their stories for you.
So you can go back and listen tothe archives and see the blueprint
that they have laid out so youcan follow it for your success.
Or you can learn from the mistakesthat they had along the way so you
don't have to learn from them as well.
And if that is not enough,Reagan brings the heat today.
And I think this is a very special guestbecause there's so much bad information
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and inconsistent and contradictinginformation out there about medical stuff
as far as peptides, PRP, quality of life,all kinds of different things like that.
And with modern medicinegoing a certain way.
People for the first time in a long time,I think are being open to alternative
ways to heal the brain and heal the body.
And I think it's important as anentrepreneur because what we do is
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as business owners, as athletes,as entrepreneurs, we tend to go
real hard in many directions.
And we tend to neglect our health becausewe're trying to make the next paycheck
close the next deal, make the nextrelationship work Book one more dinner.
Have one more meeting.
Have one more run, one morepractice, one more sparring session.
And we wind up breaking down.
As you get into your thirties, forties,and fifties now we don't have the
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same cognitive ability, physicalendurance, or mental function to be
able to get the best out of our day.
And as I started this podcast with, it'slike let alone living to a hundred for
us that are in our thirties, forties,fifties, sixties, and seventies.
How do we make these yearsstill be great years?
How do we stop the pain?
How do we stop the brain fog?
How do we get better energy?
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And this is where this gentlemancomes in and he helps connect
the dots and be the glue.
So our actual health, our brain,and our physical prowess can
be performing at top-notch.
So we actually can be better dads, bebetter husbands, be better brothers, be
better business people, be better podcasthosts, and make sure that we're actually
increasing the quality of our life.
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Before we actually increase the longevityof our life, because who wants to just
live another 30, 40, 50 miserable years?
Let's make him good.
And this episode brings all the heatthat you wanna learn about to do that.
Whether you're just trying to be abetter person, better for your kids,
better at your job, let alone beingbetter for your training partners, for
your students, or for your businessemployees, colleagues and teams.
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So I love this episode.
I thought it was fantastic.
He gave so much great information on.
How to even tell if you need to takeany more steps, what it really feels
like to be healthy again, what type ofthings are gonna affect your health?
What are some indicators and symptomsthat you should be looking at in
yourself that should be red flags thatyou might think are totally normal.
That might mean you want toget some tests under some
opinions of what you might need.
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There we go deeper intopeptides, PRP, cold plunges, stem
cells, all that type of stuff.
I could have talked to this gentlemanfor hours and hours and hours.
I had so many other questions, but heput links in the show notes for you guys
to be able to get a really good deal.
On blood work and on lab tests tofigure out how he can help you.
A free copy of his peptide guide thathe wrote, and he was a complete stud.
So definitely check the show notes andwhile you're there, the only fee for this
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You'll also find us on social media.
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Most you are scrolling allday on social media anyway.
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your best in life and in business.
Lastly.
I want to do deals together.
The whole point of this podcast isto build relationships with people
that wanna make money together.
So if you would like to buy rentalproperties or investment properties
from me, if you would like to sellinvestment properties to me, or if you
would like to just have a conversationabout how we could partner or work
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Preferably Instagram, I check most orjust send me a text message that says
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Thank you so much to Reagan.
Look out for his book, check with hiswebsite, get your labs done, get your
test done to help him be your best.
And just again, a disclaimer here.
I am not a doctor, butobviously do your own research.
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Don't take just the informationand advice financially or
medically from this podcast.
Do your own due diligence.
Talk to a health professional.
Don't make any rash decisions.
Be smart.
Talk to people, talk to doctors'cause everything's gonna
be different for everybody.
So although these are options, allthey are is options to help you think
about other things and then go talk tothe experts before you actually make.
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Any medical or financial decision, so,and I thought it was fantastic information
that I'm going to explore myself.
So looking forward to doing some deals.
Go out there, live your bestlife, be your best person.
Follow the A Game podcast, do somejuujitsu, close some real estate
deals, and let me know how to help you.
Thank you so much, Reagan Archibald,thank you so much for Gary Gunison
for linking us up a game podcast.
Have a fantastic day.
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Alright, my guest today is anentrepreneur, a speaker, and an author.
Fighting out of Utah by way of Idaho,where his desire to not be a farmer
and a misdiagnosis, as well as anuncle who was a doctor, took him
down the path of the medical field.
After going through his own healthtrials and tribulations, he is now
known as one of the leading longevityexperts in the nation, specialized in the
regenerative therapy and the very popular.
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Peptides.
He's the co-founder of Go Wellness andthe creator of the Peptide Mastery Course,
and he's regarded as a highly sought afterand functional medicine practitioner.
He's the man who can scientifically helpyou live your best life, improving energy,
sleep, muscle mass, cognitive function,weight loss in the overall quality of
life through his Ageless Future Program,where he helps identify the root causes
of your body that are often overlookedor misdiagnosed by modern medicine.
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He is here to help you figure outwhat's going on and find the cure.
He's a dad, a husband, an athlete,a coal plunger, and a biohacker.
He is a friend and partner ofone of our favorite people.
Gary Garison.
He's a fight fan.
Welcome, please to the AGame podcast, Mr. Reagan.
Archibald.
Hey, good to have me on.
That was an impressive intro.
Thanks man.
So we, we were talking a little bitoffline and uh, I was saying you
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have so much information out thereand you're one of those guys where
sometimes I do a little bit of researchand then you're kinda like, alright,
I, pretty much nobody's gonna talkabout, but I feel like everything I
read and everything I listen to youtalk about so many different things.
Like there's no twointerviews that are the same.
So I feel like it, it's all kindof new to me and part of what.
I think is a really important thingis people are talking about biohacking
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and living towards a hundred now, butas I'm in my forties and I'm hanging
around with, you know, jujitsu guysand fighters and athletes all the time.
We're not worried abouta hundred right now.
We're worried about how do we feel betterin our forties, fifties, and sixties.
So I feel like there's so many greatthings because as a lot of entrepreneurs
come on this podcast, we're burning thecandles at both ends, and we're neglecting
our health to chase our finances.
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And I feel like you're the guy that canhelp put the glue together to help us
be able to get our health, our energy,and our cognitive function back so we
can put more time and energy into ourfamily and into our financial success and
have a better overall quality of life.
So I'll hand that overto you, sir, and ask you.
How'd you get where you are today?
Where, where did you come fromand how did this whole path for
functional medicine and and outsidethe box medicine stuff come about?
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Um, well first of all, thanks somuch for having me on the A game.
I, I am going to try to bring my A game.
I mean, I'll do my verybest if I go B style.
Just, just give me the warning.
Um, but, but the, the way I got intoit is just a desire to do something
outside of farm work and ranching and.
And it wasn't that I didn'tlike that work, I just wanted
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to make a bigger impact.
And I was always very interestedin my own personal health.
My dad gave me a book called InnerAthlete by Dan Millman at the age of 13.
Turns out it was actually my mom whogave it to my dad to give it to me.
So, so I'll give credit wherecredit's due, but that book taught
me the power of visualization.
It taught me, um, how toaccess healing in my own body.
(09:07):
Um, but what it also did that.
Was unexpected is it helped metransition, uh, very quickly through
a surgery I had on both of my feet.
And, um, the surgery, you know, most,most of peop, most kids my age, if
you've went through it, you, youknow, it's like a six month recovery.
Mine was like, I. Two months.
And the podiatrist was like,this is shocking, this can't be.
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And I was like, I'vebeen doing visualization.
And the podiatrist waslike, you're full of shit.
But, um, I didn't care 'cause I healedso quickly and, and that was kind of
the first thing that put me on thetrajectory to really go into medicine.
But to not take it at face value.
And when I was actually in themedical program at the University of
Utah, I started getting really sickand I was like, something's wrong.
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And I had five doctors misdiagnosedme and it was finally a naturopathic
doctor who was also an acupuncturist.
That ran the right labs and he islike, oh, you've got Hashimoto's.
And it wasn't stressthat was burning me out.
'cause I kept telling the doctor,it's like, it's not stress.
I really enjoy school.
It's just learning.
It's easy.
There's no, there's noone coming after me.
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It's, there's not bitter cold.
I just am studied.
It's fun.
And uh, but it was that doctorthat said, yeah, have you ever
been exposed to chemicals?
And I was like, nah, not, not much.
Uh, and he is like, nothing on the farm.
I was like, well, maybe a little like.
You know, we'd have planes thatwould spray the fields and I would
get crop dusted with chemicals.
I'd, I'd spray the riverbanks withRoundup and, and then, oh yeah, we'd put
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our fence posts in formaldehyde and so Iwould be hugging, you know, formaldehyde
laden fence posts in the summers.
So, turns out that was a problem.
And uh, now we know, like, youknow, Monsantos is under fire.
I mean, 2,500.
Class action like lawsuits,class, action lawsuits.
So, so yeah, that Roundup is not safeas, as was, you know, prescribed.
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But, um, but that's whatgot me where I am today.
And, and now today, youknow, I'm an entrepreneur at
heart, uh, just like you are.
Like I. Just, um, unemployableis probably the reality of it.
I just do things so nuanced.
Like even, uh, coming outta school Ihad a lot of job opportunities and I
was like, that just sounds horrible.
And it's like, uh, you know, safetyand security, or I could just slug
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it out and build up my own practiceand maybe do a little bit better.
And so, so I went that route, of course.
Um, and um, it's justbeen a fun journey and so.
I love helping entrepreneurs, like youmentioned, I'm the glue that allows
them to look at health as their numberone metric of success, not wealth.
And you can't be wealthywithout your health.
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And I think a lot of peopleforget that along the way.
So, so that's, that brings meto today, we're where we are.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
And you know, it's, it's so funny, Iwas, I was talking to David Green from
BiggerPockets and he was like, man.
When my bank account is fat, mywaist is small, and when my waist
is small, I'm like, he's like,it's always one or the other.
I never have like, good HealthInc. It's always one or the other.
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I, I think I said that back way,but like fat bank account, fat
belly, you know, like, like small.
Totally.
Yeah.
Because it's one or the other.
So, and I, and I. I feel like we,it's been glorified to neglect your
health and to work, you know, 90hours a week or whatever it is, and
not sleep and drink caffeine all day.
And like at some point I feel likethat's where that burnout comes in.
So I think what we were talking aboutbefore, this is very interesting because
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we're at a time where I. I feel likemore than ever, and again, maybe it's
just me in the circles that we're kindof in, but I feel like for the first
time I can remember there's an actualdistrust in pharmaceutical companies
and doctors' opinions and like peopleare starting to see through, like some
stranger just gave me seven minutes inan office and gave me a prescription
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and barely listened to what I said.
But I, I always make the, thejoke about like, what do you
call the guy who graduated last?
The medical school.
You still call him a doctor, itdoesn't mean he's good at what he does.
And right now you come in with all thisholistic stuff when you hear all these
stories about people finding better waysand all these horror stories about like
where surgery's gone wrong and medicineand addiction and all this stuff.
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So talk a little bit aboutthe misdiagnosis problem.
'cause I've heard Gary Breckertalking about that a lot.
Yeah, where people are not reallygetting the attention they need
to actually find the root cause.
They're just basically given aprescription and then sent back home
and it's not really helping them.
And then they spend weeks, months,and years trying to fix something
that wasn't really the cause anyway.
Yeah.
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Hmm.
I, I think the misdiagnosis is, toyour point, when you've got seven
minutes with a patient, you'vegotta diagnose really quickly.
And the only way you can do that is ifyou make massive sweeping assumptions.
And those massive sweepingassumptions are what get people
put on antibiotics very quickly.
And so we have this epidemic of theseantibiotic resistant bacterial strains.
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You get people on antidepressantsIn Utah, we are one of the highest
prescribers of Prozac, for example.
And when we see patients that come inand they're like, oh, I'm depressed
and my doctor put me on Prozac, andit doesn't seem to help, it actually,
maybe it's made things worse and it,you know, for sure I have no libido
and all these things go along with it.
These side effects.
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And I just asked the question like,well, have you ran your thyroid panel?
And, and they're like, no.
What does that have to do with depression?
And so, you know, they, they, andthere's a fundamental etiology
that is, is missed when it comes tomedicine, where they're not looking
downstream what is the cause of it?
So, so your thyroid isa dopamine modulator.
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If you have good thyroid transmission,good thyroid hormones, you're gonna
be motivated, you're gonna feel good.
Your body temperature'sgoing to be regulated.
You're gonna have.
Nice, clear, uh, skin.
You're gonna have good bowelmovements, all the fun things in life.
One of the Chinese emperors,he said, happiness is a cup
of tea and a bowel movement.
So,
so just, just, uh, so hehad good thyroid health.
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Um, but, but the funny thing aboutthat is, uh, so many women could
have been, um, taken care of andnot put on Prozac or other SSRIs,
Cymbalta, whatever it may have been.
If they would've had a doctorthat actually took the time to
listen and think outside of thepharmaceutical prescriptive box.
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And, and so it's not thedoctor's fault actually.
Uh, Nick, it's the system's fault andthe system has trained doctors to be
very decisive and to, you know, moveat a certain cadence because the only
way that the medical system makesmoney is when you're really sick.
And if there's not some big procedurethat's going up and you don't have
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a bunch of medical necessity to,to prove with your treatment a
prescription, there's very littlemedical necessity that is warranted.
So they can write a prescriptionvery quick, get you on the way a
surgery or if you're doing some kindof intervention, um, that requires
a lot more time and complexity.
And a lot of doctors just,they don't have the luxury of.
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Of doing that in the model, which iswhere so many people are coming over to
our model, which is more the concierge,uh, personalized medicine that's very
predictive, but it's done in a way thatis performance based so that people
have this roadmap of where they can taketheir, their health into the future.
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It's interesting because whatyou're saying about the, the
medical stuff, I remember I, Ihad a like, just stomach pains.
I couldn't figure out what they were.
So I went, I got a colonoscopy,I got endoscopy, I got all that
kind of stuff, and they came backand like, we didn't find anything.
So what we wanna do is we wanna putyou on antidepressants because we think
it's something chemically in your gut.
And I was like.
I don't feel comfortable with that.
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And so I went to another doctor who was aneurologist, who was like, Hey, you're not
sleeping well, so I'm gonna give you, andI forget what he tried to prescribe me,
but it was the same thing that they weregiving my dog who was dying of cancer.
And I was like, wow, I don'tfeel cone or something.
I forget.
I, I'll, I'll, I'll look at what it was.
I forget.
It's right on the tip of my tongue.
And I'm like, how do I forget this?
But it was one of thosethings where I'm like, again.
And then my stomach got worse.
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And it turned out it was because Iwas having, the stomach medicine was
actually making my stomach hurt more.
And it was like, you go to this doctorfor help, they prescribe you this stuff.
And it actually made me feel worse andI didn't feel comfortable taking these
like heavy duty stuff that when youdo your research, it's like, man, the
side effects on here are, are worsethan what you're feeling already now.
So I've been like a, a big believerlately of like, just even when they write
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me the scripts, I just don't take them.
It's like that's, that doesn't, that'snot long term, you know, even like the.
You were asking about my hand.
I remember when I hurt myhand, they wanted to gimme
these drugs after the surgery.
And I was like, well, like it'll help,but how long do I have to take it?
And they were like, forever.
And I was like, yeah, but I'm, I'm 25.
And they were like, well,eventually what's gonna happen
is you're gonna develop leukemia.
'cause your body's gonna fightback from like this medication,
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but you don't have to worry aboutthat till you're in your fifties.
And I was like.
It doesn't really sound like agood, like, I'm just gonna not
take these, you know what I mean?
But, but this is what they go to andthey're like, I'll worry about it later.
So I guess my, my full circlequestion here is post pandemic, like.
I don't know if that's kinda what it waswhere people started opening their eyes
and questioning things a little bit more.
But there was a couple of doctorswhere you bring up things like peptides
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and they're like, peptides are great.
I take them too, and this is a littlebut from my Juujitsu people, there's like
10th Planet Juujitsu and then there'slike traditional juujitsu and then there's
guys that do both and are like, there'ssomething to be learned from everything.
I have all the information.
Here's what I think would work for you.
Are you finding that we're seeinga turn of the tides where more
traditional doctors are being moreopen to some of these untraditional
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approaches and cures for things?
No question.
I mean, I've, uh, I'veseen that in my career.
My, one of my very first employees wasa neurologist, uh, her, her daughter,
um, as well, um, who, you know, justfinished medical school and now Dr.
Vincent's re retired.
But, um.
But I've, that's why I called myclinic East, west Health, and so it's
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because I see there's so much wisdomin all the medical traditions and
you know, the timeless principleslike what worked 3000 years ago.
There's a lot of that stuff thatstill works today, and we just think
it needs to be new and innovative.
But at the same time, the westernpart of me, the innovation,
like we are cutting edge.
You know, we're on the, that, um,that, that bleeding tip of the spear
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when it comes to medical innovations,but we're only doing it and if it fits
a certain framework, you know, theframework being like it's got to yield.
Results that are going to be betterthan anything else that we're using.
But it also, so it's gotta beeffective, but it also can't compromise
anything in your future health.
So if there is some peptide or somestem cell therapy or regenerative
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medicine treatment that we're doing,if I told you, Nick, like, you're
gonna feel really good for a coupleof decades and it's gonna handle this.
But by the time you're in your fiftiesor seventies or whatever, um, that's
when things are going to go sideways.
Then we just wouldn't even touch it.
We'd say, well, let's keep looking.
Let's find a better solution.
And if not, your future is way moreimportant than your present moment
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because as you know that, you know,you're, you're in your forties now, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so imagine if now youhave to start thinking about.
Leukemia.
What would, what would be thebiggest change for you if you were
thinking about that right now?
I mean, everything that would be a,A, I'd have to rethink my whole life.
There'd be, it'd be survival.
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It wouldn't be thriving.
It would be just how do I survive?
I. Yeah, what are the treatments,what are gonna be, what are the
side effects of some of these?
Like, am I gonna be on methotrexate?
You know, you just start going throughthe, I mean, um, it's probably not where
you want to put your energy right now.
I mean, just a, just a guess.
Yeah.
So, so I think that's where ifyou're, if you're building a roadmap
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for your health, the number onething you wanna have is clarity.
Where do you want your health to be?
10 years from now, 20 years from now,that marginal decade is what Peter Atea
calls it, is that last 10 years of life,which are the, the years of life that put
the most burden on the healthcare system.
But they're also the worst yearsof most people's li I mean, I had a
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grandmother on my wife's side, um, sonot, not biologically, but she was 103.
And I was, I was like, all right, Maxine,you've like, what is, what's it like?
I mean, do you wanna live longer?
And she was like, I can't wait to die.
I mean, she, she couldn't wait to get out.
She had her independence for themost part, but she didn't really
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have a future that she'd created.
And I said, well, I don't wannabe 103 year old who is miserable.
And she wasn't miserable, butshe just wasn't happy, you know?
And so this is where that marginaldecade, uh, I, I could look at
another patient, Eldon, he wasnearly a hundred when he passed.
He's 98.
And he had 131 grandkids,and he was very active.
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I mean, his son, the last three monthsof, of care, his son would bring
him to the office and Elden, um,I'd always say, how you doing today?
And he's like, well, uh,I'm, I'm doing great.
But I can tell you getting old is not forsissies, but it beats the alternative.
And, and so I think we, we need toreframe our thinking and we say, okay,
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well, what do I want my death to be like?
And so I want to help my patientslive very long and die fast when
it's their time and there's a, a, a.
Term called premature mortality, wherewe have people younger and younger in
our society walking around with chronicconditions in large part because it was
doctors that that people visited in theirtwenties who put them on a medication that
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was probably too aggressive and on it toolong, or whatever the circumstance was.
Now they're suffering the consequencesof the medical interventions.
And so, you know, my job is to preventthe premature mortality, but really
to build the very first thing in, in alongevity plan, which is health span.
Man.
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So I think this is a, a, a very goodtransition into what you do because
there's people that I feel like, likemyself, where, you know, I've been doing
juujitsu and stuff for a long time.
I still get up.
I still run.
And I think comparatively for someonemy age, I feel like I'm healthy.
But then there's things you do,like I was telling you earlier, I
took this medication that turnedout to not really be the big thing.
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So I, but all of a sudden I feltamazing and I was like, oh yeah.
This is what it feels like.
Like I forgot what it was liketo not wake up with back pain.
I forgot what it's like to notfeel like I'm 45 every day.
And I think we get used to certainthings in our reference point for what
you're supposed to feel like when you'reactually doing the right thing and you're
physically and mentally healthy in there.
I. People forget because they're,they're just slowly accepting that
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this is what it is now in lifeand you're really changing that.
So if somebody's listening to this rightnow and they're like, I feel okay, but
I feel okay for relative to what I'vebeen feeling for the last five or 10
years, how do I know like what I needand if I really am, how healthy, how
could I be maybe living a better life?
How can I improve my quality?
Where does, where dothose tests even start?
How do we even start thatconversation to figure out is
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there things that we can fix?
And, and are you really ashealthy as you think you are?
Hmm.
Yeah, I, I, so the veryfirst place is blood labs.
I mean, uh, and we have aspecial link for your listeners.
So, um, they will get to the frontof the line, um, uh, getting their
comprehensive blood panels done.
Most doctors are gonna run anywherefrom 12 to 24 different markers.
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Our test is going to be about a hundred.
24 markers.
And so, um, it's a very comprehensivecheck, check in to see what's
going on underneath the hood.
But we run it through what's, what'sconsidered an optimization profile.
So we have a team ofresearchers and scientists.
So I ended up leaving Universityof Utah and studying at a school
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in Hawaii where I learned easternmedicine and western medicine.
And Earl Bachan is one ofthe founders of the school.
He's the inventor, the pacemaker.
And he started a company calledMedtronics, and he always said that
probably 50% of pacemakers didn'tneed to ever be installed in patients.
It, it could have been prevented.
So our whole model was based onfinding patterns in the lab values
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that will show when a disease patternis a, is starting to take hold in the
body before symptoms ever show up.
So imagine if you could have.
Uh, a life where you didn't everhave to experience symptoms, but
you have somebody catching your backand protecting you against those
threats without you even noticing it.
And so that was what our training is.
So when we run your blood labs, we'regonna run the, the typical blood labs
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for LabCorp, but then we look at thedata and we narrow the parameters so that
we can see where these, these differentpatterns of disharmony start to show up.
And then we can make big changes inintervention so that you don't have to
experience any of the, the symptoms.
That makes a lot of sense.
So for, you know, middle, middle-agedperson thinking they're doing okay in
life, are there some key things that youwould say, Hey, think about these things
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or these symptoms that you might havegoing on that might tell you, Hey, maybe
you should get some labs done to see ifthese things are stuff we can make better.
Yeah.
Well, I, I think, you know, firstthing is you just think, um, how
is your energy throughout the day?
Because I look at health as, asin direct proportion to the amount
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of energy that you can generate.
So can you show up and dothe work that you need to do?
Are you able to stay focused on thatwork long enough to make it meaningful
and make it rewarding, and also toget the result that you're after.
Um, and so that would be like number oneif, if you notice that your energy drops.
After you eat meals, I'm like,there's probably a blood sugar issue.
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And if you get that little sweetcraving and you're just like, ah,
man, I just could use a little bit ofsomething, you know, that's a good sign
that you've got blood sugar issues.
'cause you're in your blood sugar goesup after you eat and then it drops
too low so your insulin it, it doesn'thave the right glucose disposal system.
So, um, that's where you wanna workon what's called insulin resistance.
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Um, that affects our, our energy.
If you notice at night that you wake up.
To, to pee.
Um, there's a good chance thatyou've got some issues with blood
sugar just from that alone, andthat's going to impact your energy
because you've got disrupted sleep.
Uh, we'll also see it withstress, so, so stress and sugar.
I have a lot of people, Nick, whowe run their labs and I'm like, oh,
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unfortunately, uh, you're hemoglobinA1C is 5.7 in your insulin, fastings.
20. Um, you're like right on theborder, you're pre-diabetic and they're
like, I can't be, I never eat sugar.
And then their spouse will be thereand like, he never eats sugar, I swear.
And then I have him, youknow, do an oath on the Bible.
They don't eat.
No, I don't.
But, um, but I, I could.
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Um, but, uh, but what I, uh, whatthey, what it turns out to be is
a process called gluconeogenesis.
So if you have too much stress, thenyour body's going to start breaking
down proteins and usually in your legsand in your glutes, and it's going
to put sugar into your blood just tocircumvent the stress response internally.
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So, um, so these, these testing,and we could go super nuanced,
but first, first thing is giveyourself a score on your energy.
Second thing I would say islook at your body composition.
Is it, do you have, uh, the dad bod?
You know, don't, don't look at yourfriends and, and dudes by the way, we look
in the mirror and we're like, I look good.
You know, we get the, you know,we, we, we fool ourselves, ladies,
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you're gonna look in the mirrorand be like, oh, I look horrible.
Even though you look likemy wife is like 10 outta 10.
And I'm not just saying that'cause she's my wife, but she
literally is like a fitness, likeshe could be a fitness model.
She's just like, got the perfect physiqueand perfect body fat and all those things.
But she can't stand anypictures of herself, right?
And she looks in the mirror and she'sjust pulling out that one thing.
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So there's extremes.
But the real thing you wanna lookat is, do I have visceral fat?
And those, that's the thing thatcan take us out early because it's
inflammatory base and there's.
Really good solutions for that.
And then look at your cognitive function.
Look at your muscle and yourcardiovascular function, because
longevity is about those three things.
Is your brain optimized?
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Is your heart andcardiovascular system optimized?
And do you have the muscle massto take you into the future
in the way that you want?
'cause how long are yougonna do Juujitsu, Nick?
Hopefully, until I'm, uh, 135, I think.
Is, was was your goal to getpeople to live too, right?
I, I mean, I'd love to bedoing it forever, you know?
Man, that's great.
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And, and uh, and, and during thattime, when would you like your
brain to not function very well?
I. Never, I would like it to alwaysbe functioning on top, top cylinder.
That's actually why I stopped boxingwas 'cause I realized like, I, I'm
gonna need this brain for a while.
Like I'm gonna switch to Juujitsu andstop getting hit in the head every day.
Like, you know, younger, you'relike, I won't live that long anyway.
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I don't really need this brain.
And now I'm like, man,it's so, it's everything.
You know?
It's business stuff, man.
Like you value, like cognitivefunction, like higher than anything
at this point, which I didn'tappreciate when I was younger.
Uh, isn't it wild andyou love what you do?
I mean, to bring the, to bring yourA game, what does that mean to you?
How would you define that?
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I would love to be able to train at mybest physical potential and not have my
body hurt or have to limit the way I'mtraining or what I'm doing to work around
certain injuries or mobility issues.
I would also like to be able to train.
Rested and be clearheaded andat a good, at a good level
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that I'm firing at my best.
So I can be a good trainingpartner for my training partners.
But usually it's either I, I'meither, I can't put the mental
connections together 'cause I'm, I'moff or I had bad sleep or something.
Or even if I feel like mentally I'mthere, my body is not working the way
it should because my shoulder hurts ormy back hurts, or I pulled something.
So I feel like mentallyand physically it's.
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Bringing me to 60, 70%of where I should be.
And then there's just, you just don'teven go because you're like, well,
it's only gonna get worse today.
So if I could feel good and ifI can think quick and hold like
a good pace, that would be aperfect training session for me.
Man.
Well, and, and I, you andI are in the same boat.
You know, I'm, I'm not brave enoughto do boxing, uh, or Juujitsu,
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but I did, uh, play capoeira for awhile, and that's, that's about the
closest thing I got to juujitsu.
But one of my boys is into MMA andsick, and he, uh, he does juujitsu.
So the way he shows melove is by choking me out.
It's such a great sport.
But, um, but I want a mountain bike.
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I wanna ski, I wanna snowboard.
Um, I love lifting weights.
I love working out and, um,I want, I wanna do that.
But one of the, the criteriaI have is a no pain policy.
And that's what I have with anyonewe work with is, is you gotta get
rid of pain as quickly as possible.
Because as you mentioned, it's like.
Mentally, I'm there, but myshoulder hurts, my back hurts, and
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it's a distraction and it pullsyou outta the present moment.
It's, it's almost like having,uh, you know, I think if we all
ended up having this like, uh, thisconnection, the cloud is hominini,
um, you know, like some people arepredicting where we're just gonna be.
I. Connected to everything all the time.
Can you imagine the amount of distractionthat you'd have to sort through?
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Um, but you know, that's what pain does.
It's like, it's all these, it's like,it's like putting that like image,
like on a Facebook feed or whatever.
I don't do much social media, butit drains our energy faster than
anything, and pain usually gets worse.
Over time, it does improveon its own when it's chronic.
And so, um, the no painpolicy is a, is a big one.
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So you're just gonna haveto come out to Utah, buddy.
We'll take care of you.
I would love that, man.
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Everybody that invests inreal estate always just says
they wish they did it sooner.
Best time to start is today.
So I didn't have this on thedocket to talk to with you about,
but now that you bought it up,I think it's a, a great topic.
So I love coal plunges.
I mean, lemme take this back.
I hate coal plunges.
The worst, worst.
But, but I, I do them, Ido them like I hate them.
They're my every day.
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If I see one, I'm like, ah,now I gotta do this thing.
I hate it, but.
Every time I bring it up or I post apicture, some people are like, let's go.
And then you have other peoplethat are like, well, you know,
there's really not any science.
And they start giving me like the, I'mlike, look, even if there's no scientific
proof that it's, it's physicallyhelping me, I feel like as a person.
Forcing yourself the first time inthe morning to do something that you
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really don't want to do is like justa great mental exercise for like
every, I want nothing less than to goin the stupid ice tub at five o'clock
in the morning, but you do it andyou feel like, cool, I just check one
thing off my box that was hard today.
I'm gonna go kick today's ass andif I got nothing else from it, I
feel like that's worth it to me.
But you obviously.
Do them.
And you're a health guy.
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So where, what is it?
Where is the science?
Where is the documentation?
What are the benefits or some ofthe myths of, of coal plunging?
Like what are the facts aboutthe, the benefits of coal plunges?
I. Man.
Well, um, first of all, uh, good for youbecause when you get, um, hit in the face
with a cold plunge Yeah, you're right.
It's like, I always just joke with people.
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I'm like, it's the worst thing you'regonna ever have to confront in the day.
And I've been doing it for, um, let'ssee, when I turn 40, so seven years.
When I turn 40 every year I do a, achallenge where I'm gonna do something.
I'm gonna build a new skill when itcomes to health and longevity, and
I'm gonna do it every day for a year.
And, and so, um, my 40th birthdayevery day was a cold plunge.
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And, uh, I didn't miss a day.
And, and a lot of days I starteddoing it twice, two a days.
Uh, it was just so rewardingbecause I noticed this amount of
clarity, uh, cognitively that comesafter you get out that I never
experienced through anything else.
And that, you know, I did ayear of, of, uh, microdosing
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with psilocybin, for example.
And, um, and I got alot of clarity that way.
But the, um, the mental clarity is, isnumber one that you want to think about.
So when you get in the cold water, you'regoing, you're getting vasoconstriction.
And so all your blood vessels arepushing all the, the, the warm blood into
your organs as a protective mechanism.
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So I'll just go through kind of the,the process so people can understand,
um, what the science is behind it.
And then once you have that,that nice constricted property.
Um, the constricted property is, ispart of the release of epinephrine,
so you're getting this nice adrenalinerush, and epinephrine and adrenaline
are kind of, they use the same thing,different terminology and, and that
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little adrenaline rush that you getif you could breathe through it.
And if, and this is where Wim Hof isjust a hero of mine and I had a chance
to, uh, interact with him in January.
Um, which is really cool.
But, um, but yeah, if you can do somebreathing and mitigate that, then
what happens is you get this endorphinrelease from your brain and that
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endorphin release allows all thesecatecholamines to circulate through
your body, and that's where you geta lot of the reparative effects.
So, uh, the inflammatory markers comedown, you get this vasoconstriction.
So it's changing, it'sgetting rid of those.
Brittle blood vessels.
So if you have shoulder pain or even inyour, your head, you've been punched a lot
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from boxing, um, the beautiful thing aboutit is you're going to get, when you start
warming up, you'll get the vasodilation.
And the vasodilation is when your bloodvessels now can start healing the body.
So you get all these anti-inflammatorymolecules that circulate.
And this is why it's really important todo your cold plunge before the workout and
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then give yourself about four hours afterthe workout because you're essentially
inducing recovery when you do cold plunge.
I. So that brings up an interestingpoint because I, I recently just heard,
I think it was Joe Rogan and AndrewHuberman talking about a, a study from
somewhere in Asia that they would docoal plunge and then they would work
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out right after and they would lettheir body naturally warm back up.
And from doing that, their testosteronelevels went through the roof.
Mm-hmm.
So what is the, the timeline there?
'cause you mentioned thefour hours, so like, for me.
I don't have a cold plunge atJiujitsu, so I would have to do it
here and then drive there a half hour.
Has the effects worn off there?
Like what, what is that window?
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That helps, that's perfect becausethat's your naturally, your body's
going to be warming up anyways.
And um, and then you can go and I.Do Juujitsu, but, um, I, I personally
just like to do cold plunge.
I dry off and then I go and do my workout.
Uh, and, and by the way, like youdon't have to do it every day.
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It, it can be three, four times a week,kind of the, uh, the threshold is about
11 minutes of cold, cold being somewhere.
Be below 45 degrees, and if yougo above 45, then you can spend
more time in there if you like it.
But, um, I like to keep itas cold as possible and then
make the duration shorter.
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Uh, I get the stimulus and then I move on.
But, um, I like going right afterjust because you can go and slug
a good workout and, um, you justlike, you feel pretty invincible.
Yeah, no, I agree with that.
So that, that now leads into the nextthing that I almost feel like the coal
plunge talk is the new water heater orwater cooler where like people are, are
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always talking around the coal plungewhile you're taking turns jumping in.
And of course, peptides stemcells, PRP, like it's all
coming up, coming up, coming up.
I get a bunch of my guys that havegone out to, um, Columbia, to the
place out there to get the stem cells.
But I still now, fromwhat I have been hearing.
It works a little bit andthen it kind of doesn't.
And, and to be fair, like maybe they'renot taking care of their body after that.
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Like Columbia's probably notthe best place to go to be like,
now I'm gonna go be healthy forthe next week while I'm here.
Who knows?
But even like the PRP and some of theseother things, I'm not hearing that miracle
that I want to hear from people thatare like, well, I didn't get surgery.
But now from peptides, I am.
And I think you and I were talkingbefore we started recording where.
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I tore ligament in my hand, the juujitsu.
And I went to another blackbelt and he was like, why would
you bother getting surgery?
Don't you take peptides?
And I was like, you mean like the powder?
I put in my coffee in the morning?
And he was like, nah, dude.
Like you don't, you have no.
And then he started telling me, like, andI had Ian McCall on here, I should link
you up with him, but he's a huge guy withlike psychedelic brain trauma injuries.
And he was telling me how, oh cool, cool.
Awesome.
Yeah, he, he was, um, he was saying oneof his buddies broke his foot sparring.
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Went to the doctor, the guystarted giving him BPC 1 57.
They went back two weeks later,did an x-ray again, and the bone
was healed and the doctor thoughtthey were messing with him.
He's like, that's not your foot.
So let's talk, because my, my thingI was telling you earlier was, I'm
so interested in peptides now, butthere's so much bad and contradictory
information out there from peoplewho haven't really done the research.
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So you got.
They're Instagram people that reallyhave no idea what they're talking
about because they're not qualified.
And then you have the old schooldoctors that don't really want to
be part of that new generation ofthinking and learning things different.
And then we have guys like youthat are actually putting the time
in to separate fact from fiction.
So anybody listening that'slike, what the hell's a peptide?
Let's start there.
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And then we can build out to some of the,the main ones, like the one five sevens
and some of the stuff that you like.
Great.
Well, we've been doingpeptides for about a decade.
We're one of the top threeclinics in the country as far
as like prescription quantity.
So we, um, we do it better than anybody.
We, I have a group called Go Wellness,where I've trained doctors on
peptides and they just came natural.
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It's like, I think I knew aboutpeptides from the past life because,
um, I, I see him three dimensionally.
They have, you know,they've changed my life.
They've changed thousands of of clientsthat we've worked with over the years.
But what a peptide is, is it's anatural substance in your body.
It's a protein structure.
It's short amino acid chains.
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So yes, the collagen peptides thatyou put in your coffee, uh, those are
some of the essential amino acids.
These are.
Are, um, similar amino acids, butthey're structured in a way that
your biology uses those as inputs.
So if you think about what peptidesare as it's a communication messenger,
hormones are going to be more of along-term communication pathway peptide.
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Are more the short term.
It's like a text message.
Um, and, and so the great thingabout that is as we age, we
have genes that get turned off.
The universe wants to recycleus after about the age of 35.
And, and it's just a, it's a slow process.
You know, gravity is aging as agravity fed sport, but you can
use peptides to circumvent that.
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So BPC 1 57, you mentioned thatone is body protective complex.
Um, this peptide has been around for.
30 plus years.
There's, there's actually a, a companyin Croatia that has the patent on, on
how to sequence this peptide in thevery particular way that mimics the same
excretion of your body and how to havethe acetyl group so that peptide gets
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expressed and the best fashion possible.
And so.
So BPC, what it can do is it's angiogenic.
So we just talked abouta cold plunge, right?
And what it does to your blood vesselswhen you contract and expand them.
It's like cold plunge is like a, anexercise, it's like a VO two max or
like doing high intensity intervaltrainings for your cardiovascular
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system without the stress on your body.
Peptides like BPC 1 57, it's like gettingthe recovery and the nitric oxide,
um, from those particular activities.
Without doing those activities, I'm notsaying like, okay, you can take peptides
and now you don't need to exercise.
All I'm saying is you're gonna wannaexercise more because you recover
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so much faster, you feel better.
I'm always competing against lastyear's time and my mountain biking and
skiing, snowboarding, you know, my lapsand and peptides for the way to do it.
To do it.
So BPC 1 57 has been shown inresearch, uh, for rats, for example.
They wanted to see if it would haveany cognitive benefits, and so they
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induced a traumatic brain injury on theserats, and they had some hemiplegia and
they dropped a brick on their heads.
It's kind of barbaric, but I, Ididn't, I didn't, I was not the one
in the study, but, but, um, case ofbrick ever gets dropped on your head.
Here's.
What you can do.
Uh, um, but they gave one group ofrats, BPC 1 5 7 in the water, and
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then they had the control groupthat was just a placebo, nothing.
It was just water.
And what they found is that thegroup of rats that drank the water,
they actually started to have, uh,restoration of their nervous function.
They started moving better and theybecame more alert and they had a
much better recovery than the ones.
That didn't.
They've done the same.
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You know, there's multiplestudies with Achilles tendons.
If you've had a lot of steroidalinjection in your joints.
BPC can help reverse a lot of thedamage from those corticosteroids.
And 'cause corticosteroidsare bad on the joints.
Uh, the more you canavoid that, the better.
The other thing you that we do isbecause they're angiogenic, we've
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done stem cells for 14 years.
We actually have a law passed in Utahthat protects us doing those now called
Senate Bill 1 98, if you wanna look it up.
But, um, we find that if.
We can stack peptides like BPC1 5 7 or thymosin beta four.
You're going to get a better expressionin those stem cells because you
have, now you have the vascularitythat gets energy to the cells.
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One of the reasons why itdidn't, didn't work for your.
Uh, you know, your friends inColumbia, I'd imagine is because they
didn't have the right environmentfor the stem cells to thrive.
So that's where peptidescan be really important.
Even with like PRP, you, youdo want to stack those, those
regenerative treatments.
I. Peptides won't get you therealone, but those treatments
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won't get you there alone.
When you, we combine those, that'swhere we have a 95% success rate.
We can very, uh, accurately tellsomebody what their prognosis is, what
they can expect as far as an outcome,um, if they follow the protocol.
That's awesome.
And so when we talk about the peptidesnow, they're, I sometimes they'll bring
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it up and guys will come up to me andthey're like, oh, I started taking it.
I'm like, where'd you get it from?
I'm like, I ordered it from a website.
And I'm like, man, that, like, I feellike this is also the, the thing is.
Who's, when people are saying, I triedand I got this result, it's like, well,
where did, where'd you get it from?
Like, what was in it?
Like you're not testing it.
So is it almost like, 'cause even, Imean even stuff that is tested, you
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see guys in UFC all the time that aretaking the stuff that was approved
by the UFC and it comes back tainted.
Like, so if even the stuff that they'rechecking is tainted, how do you now
find a good supplier or some likepure, legitimate, healthy peptides.
Yeah, there's only, uh, uh, aboutthree pharmacies in the United
States that make peptides in theway that you want 'em sequenced.
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Like it's a real art and it's cumbersome.
Like it's, uh, it's, it's not like,um, uh, any other prescription drugs
where you can, you can do a massivebatch and just put it on the shelves.
Like peptides are very unstable.
And so, so the, the peptides that peopleget online, especially if you get the
powdered agents and then you put your own.
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Bacteria, static water or sterile waterinto that and reconstitute it, it's
missing a step in the purity process.
So, um, that's, that's thing numberone that we've uncovered is that
there's a lot of these immunogenic orimmune responses to, um, some of the
peptides just because they didn't,they're not fully, um, purified.
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So they're, they're not takenthrough the sterilization process.
And the second thing that we found isa lot of the, the peptides that you
can buy online, um, we test those andit's a completely different, it's a
fragment of BPC 1 57 or it doesn'thave the right, uh, acetyl groups.
So, so the way that you, youterminate the ends of peptides is
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what allows the peptides to get intothe cell and dock on the surface
of the cell for the expression.
If you don't have, sorry,to get so technical on this.
If you don't have the, the rightcapping, um, and it, it, it's, it's
almost like they can get broken downmuch quicker than they can make it
to the receptor sites on the cells.
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And so, um, you, you do need toget peptides that are prescribed.
I. And even though you maysell, it costs more money.
It's like, it's not that much moreexpensive to get it through a doctor
who knows peptides and how to, youknow, knows how to sequence it.
Um, and then you wanna makesure that it is from a pharmac
pharmacy that's FDA approved.
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So, um, if it comes with your nameon it, it gives you the specific
dose it's prescribed by a doctor.
Generally speaking, those aregoing to be s. From, uh, pharmacies
that, that are definitely safe.
And then there's, like I mentioned,there's three pharmacies that we
trust that we've vetted out overthe last decade, and we love those.
And that's, um, you know, for the mostpart that's what most of us are using,
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who are doing peptides the right way.
That makes sense.
And I, as far as I know, there mightbe other options, but you can get
a, a pill form or an injectable.
Is that correct?
And if so, what are the, when andwhere should you be deciding which
one of those ways to ingest it?
Well, something like BPC, it is, um,orally available because it's made by
the gastric secretions in your gut.
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Um, but 70% of peptides are justnot going to, I mean, they're
gonna get broken down before theycan ever do anything internally.
And so, um, there is, you know, themajority of them you have to inject
and it's a subcutaneous injection.
It's actually super simple.
It can be intimidating at times,but once you do it a couple times.
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It's easy.
So for your injury, for example, Nick,like injecting BPC, right into the
area that's damaged in your, in yourligament, um, that would, where, that
would be where you're going to havethe most outsized return if you can
tolerate injecting yourself there.
Um, so, but that would be, butif you take it oral, you're still
going to get some benefits, but it'sgoing to be more systemic because
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you, you want to concentrate thearea with as much BPC as you can.
Okay, that makes sense.
And you know, I was, I was, Ithink I texted you maybe a week or
two ago, 'cause I was, you know,my dad's in his mid seventies.
Yeah.
And every week he's, well my back andhe's getting a hand surgery next week
and he's already talking about after thatI'll get two knee replacements and then
after that we're gonna get my back filled.
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And I was like, and then what?
You're gonna start kicking acid 85 andNo, come on, we, we can do it, dude.
So.
Like E, even if there are sideeffects and stuff, I feel like
surgery should be the last option.
It's like you can't undo the surgery.
And yesterday my my businesspartner, she hurt her knee playing
pickleball and she went to thedoctor and she's so upset because
she's finally getting active again.
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And the doctor said, Hey, youmost likely tore a meniscus.
And she was like, well, Idon't wanna get surgery.
What about BPC 1 57?
And he was like, look, there's no proofthat that actually heals anything.
It's just gonna mask your symptoms.
And I was like.
I, I don't know if you just want to takethat at face value, like, and even if it
doesn't necessarily heal it, if it canmake it good enough to avoid surgery, I
Is that part of what you would do withsomebody is like, Hey, if this is at all
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in a way that it can be fixed, that youdon't actually have to go under the knife.
This is the option.
You should try first, and thenif all else fails, then maybe
we go out the other direction.
Or are you seeing that that's reallykind of like the last thing people
need and you're seeing like amazinghealing properties from just that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, um, there's, there's a sequence.
So peptides, you don't wanna stay on'em long-term on the same peptide.
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You want to turn the genes on, and thenyou want to cycle in other peptides.
So, bp, CM, we're just talking aboutthat because it's a. Popular one.
A lot of people know about it, but there'sso many, I mean, there's a hundred plus
other peptides that are so phenomenal.
So like, uh, ACE 0 3 1.
You know, if someone has Achillesinjury, Achilles tendon injury, or
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they have a meniscal injury like your,your friend, um, she could, she could
think about, oh, let's, let's use afo statin, um, activator 'cause of.
A lot of people are doing thefo statin gene therapy and that
helps you build muscle mass.
But there's a peptide called, calledACE 0 3 1, and you can actually build
muscle naturally to protect the knee.
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So you wanna say, okay, well let's,let's heal the knee, but let's think
about the long term, uh, ramifications.
And then the long, long-term approachis like, well, let's get really
healthy mu muscle around that joint.
You know, so that's.
There's different ways of looking at it.
And then we wanna say, well,what else is going to help?
Well, growth hormone peptides.
And that's where you'd think, like rein,you could think, uh, CJC 1295 tessel.
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There's, there's just a whole suiteof, of peptides that, that we can
use to help facilitate the healing.
And I was speaking at a, atan event, uh, Jack Canfield
event, um, and it was awesome.
I love Jack.
But, um, this group in SantaBarbara just a couple days ago.
Uh, there's a doctor in the audienceand I was talking about all the
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different peptides and, and she waslike, well, I'm skeptical because
there's not enough clinical data.
She's like, there's no doubleblind clinical studies on peptides.
And I, you know, I said, well,actually, there, there are, um,
you know, there's studies that, uh,you know, there's peptides, dozens
of peptides that are FDA approved.
And then I named a few of those,but I said, but BPC 1 57, because
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we're talking about that a lot.
The, the problem with, with that peptideis that company in Croatia, they, they own
the patent on the right structuring of it.
And so no pharmaceutical company isgoing to put the money in to, to try
to run that through, uh, you know, an.
An FDA clinical trial to get it approvedto treat, uh, something that is, uh,
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very broad by definition, you know,it's going to help the body heal it.
It's re it regenerates tissue.
It's like, it's not specific enough.
They can't make money becauseit's not a diagnosable condition.
And so.
First of all, it's hard to get the patent.
Second of all, it's hard tomake the right structure.
And then the only way theycan get the patent is if they
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patent the administration of it,because it's a natural agent.
And so all this company has is thepatents on how to sequence it and
how to put the right caps on it.
So, um, I told this doctor in theaudience, I said, look, I understand
your question, but, um, what we'regoing to see, and I was just on the RF.
Make America healthy documentary.
(54:22):
Oh, that's cool.
Talking about peptides.
Give 'em a book.
And, uh, and, and so, uh, I said the samething I said With ai, now we can aggregate
all this data with these large learningmodels and the clinical work that many of
us have done for, you know, a decade plus.
We have millions and millions of peoplewho have used these peptides safely.
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But more importantly, we'll, we'll havethe efficacy that will be far superior.
To any double-blind clinical study becauseI said, tell me one time where a person's
life has all the variables removed.
Right?
I mean, it's, it just, it's a stupid way.
It's like it's, yes, we want to tease outthe things that work versus don't work.
(55:05):
But that double-blind clinical model,um, it doesn't apply to peptides
because peptides are never meant to beused as a drug to suppress a symptom.
All they're meant to do is remindyour body how to heal itself.
It's like turning on the engine, and oncethe engine's going, you got the momentum.
You don't need to stay on the peptide.
Interesting.
(55:25):
So this is all super interestingand obviously there, I I never get
through all my notes, but I had somany questions about, you know, the,
the, the risks, the dangers, and thenthere's all these new things out, like
methylene blue and all this stuff.
But obviously.
We're not Doc.
Oh, I'm not a doc, I'm not a doctor.
So I would refer them to you.
And then you have a lot of ways that youcan help people that if they wanna know
more about these, I know you, I thinkyou actually wrote a guide with all the
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different peptides in there as well.
And so talk a little bit about some ofthe services you offer and how people
can connect with you and you can helpthem maybe address some of the problems
they have and live a better quality life.
Awesome.
Well, I, I appreciate that.
And um, for those of you who did not fallasleep on this, um, podcast because of
my, my, all my, all my, uh, um, people arelike, can you just talk in normal terms?
(56:08):
But it's kind of, I, I, I think it'simportant if you guys take the time
to actually learn the terms, um,there's, it's not that complicated.
And you can, you can gain an enormousamount of, of leverage on your own
personal health just by understandingsome of the terminology that we use today.
But, um, so I have a book calledThe Peptide Blueprint, and it's,
(56:29):
um, I've got another book calledAgeless Future Operating System that
will, that will be out very soon.
But, but, uh, the Peptide Blueprint,if you guys ask my team, we'll send
you a copy of that, uh, for those.
Of you, we will provide alink for the blood labs.
That's the very first step is getthe right tests because, um, we can't
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prescribe peptides unless we have somedata to, to, to make sure that we're
moving in the right direction for you.
Peptides are generally very, very safe.
Like the risk profile is incrediblylow, um, but we wanna make sure
that it's effective for you.
It's our reputation on the line.
We got one reputation in lifeand we don't wanna mess it up.
So we gotta get the right labs.
(57:09):
If you've had labs like throughanother functional medicine doctor,
we can use those no problem.
Um, but my team will willhelp you get set up there.
Um, and then, um, for those of you whowant to go deeper, I have a podcast called
Unreasonable Health, and then you can alsofind me on YouTube and you can dive in.
We have a lot of courses on there.
(57:32):
That's awesome man.
So those direct links willall be in the show notes.
We have all the ways for people toconnect with you, to follow you on
social media, start the blood labs.
I'm definitely gonna connect withyou offline and for the dude, I
didn't think any of this was boring.
I love the detail you wentinto and it made me wish I
had two or three more hours.
So I'm sure just like me, peoplehave tons of questions and their
own situations, so I would love forthem to connect with you as well.
(57:52):
You, sir, are somebody who brings yourA game to everything you do in life and
business, and this has been no different.
You definitely voice your agame of this podcast today.
I know you have to go.
Are there any final thoughts beforewe let you go about your busy day?
No, I, I think just where we startedthe conversation, Nick, is like,
um, make health, the, the metric ofsuccess and um, 'cause I've found when
health improves, everything improves.
(58:14):
I. That's incredible, man.
You're a stud.
I really appreciate you coming on.
I look forward to hopefully seeingyou in a couple of weeks and having
you help Nicole and I with some ofour stuff that we have going on, man.
But I thought this was afascinating conversation.
You're an absolute stud.
It's been a pleasure totalk to you today, Mr.
Reagan Archibald.
Have a fantastic day,sir. Thanks so much, Nick.
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(01:30):
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as far as peptides, PRP, quality of life,all kinds of different things like that.
And with modern medicinegoing a certain way.
People for the first time in a long time,I think are being open to alternative
ways to heal the brain and heal the body.
And I think it's important as anentrepreneur because what we do is
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as business owners, as athletes,as entrepreneurs, we tend to go
real hard in many directions.
And we tend to neglect our health becausewe're trying to make the next paycheck
close the next deal, make the nextrelationship work Book one more dinner.
Have one more meeting.
Have one more run, one morepractice, one more sparring session.
And we wind up breaking down.
As you get into your thirties, forties,and fifties now we don't have the
(02:12):
same cognitive ability, physicalendurance, or mental function to be
able to get the best out of our day.
And as I started this podcast with, it'slike let alone living to a hundred for
us that are in our thirties, forties,fifties, sixties, and seventies.
How do we make these yearsstill be great years?
How do we stop the pain?
How do we stop the brain fog?
How do we get better energy?
(02:32):
And this is where this gentlemancomes in and he helps connect
the dots and be the glue.
So our actual health, our brain,and our physical prowess can
be performing at top-notch.
So we actually can be better dads, bebetter husbands, be better brothers, be
better business people, be better podcasthosts, and make sure that we're actually
increasing the quality of our life.
(02:53):
Before we actually increase the longevityof our life, because who wants to just
live another 30, 40, 50 miserable years?
Let's make him good.
And this episode brings all the heatthat you wanna learn about to do that.
Whether you're just trying to be abetter person, better for your kids,
better at your job, let alone beingbetter for your training partners, for
your students, or for your businessemployees, colleagues and teams.
(03:13):
So I love this episode.
I thought it was fantastic.
He gave so much great information on.
How to even tell if you need to takeany more steps, what it really feels
like to be healthy again, what type ofthings are gonna affect your health?
What are some indicators and symptomsthat you should be looking at in
yourself that should be red flags thatyou might think are totally normal.
That might mean you want toget some tests under some
opinions of what you might need.
(03:33):
There we go deeper intopeptides, PRP, cold plunges, stem
cells, all that type of stuff.
I could have talked to this gentlemanfor hours and hours and hours.
I had so many other questions, but heput links in the show notes for you guys
to be able to get a really good deal.
On blood work and on lab tests tofigure out how he can help you.
A free copy of his peptide guide thathe wrote, and he was a complete stud.
So definitely check the show notes andwhile you're there, the only fee for this
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Lastly.
I want to do deals together.
The whole point of this podcast isto build relationships with people
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So if you would like to buy rentalproperties or investment properties
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(05:07):
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Thank you so much to Reagan.
Look out for his book, check with hiswebsite, get your labs done, get your
test done to help him be your best.
And just again, a disclaimer here.
I am not a doctor, butobviously do your own research.
(05:28):
Don't take just the informationand advice financially or
medically from this podcast.
Do your own due diligence.
Talk to a health professional.
Don't make any rash decisions.
Be smart.
Talk to people, talk to doctors'cause everything's gonna
be different for everybody.
So although these are options, allthey are is options to help you think
about other things and then go talk tothe experts before you actually make.
(05:50):
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Alright, my guest today is anentrepreneur, a speaker, and an author.
Fighting out of Utah by way of Idaho,where his desire to not be a farmer
and a misdiagnosis, as well as anuncle who was a doctor, took him
down the path of the medical field.
After going through his own healthtrials and tribulations, he is now
known as one of the leading longevityexperts in the nation, specialized in the
regenerative therapy and the very popular.
(06:32):
Peptides.
He's the co-founder of Go Wellness andthe creator of the Peptide Mastery Course,
and he's regarded as a highly sought afterand functional medicine practitioner.
He's the man who can scientifically helpyou live your best life, improving energy,
sleep, muscle mass, cognitive function,weight loss in the overall quality of
life through his Ageless Future Program,where he helps identify the root causes
of your body that are often overlookedor misdiagnosed by modern medicine.
(06:55):
He is here to help you figure outwhat's going on and find the cure.
He's a dad, a husband, an athlete,a coal plunger, and a biohacker.
He is a friend and partner ofone of our favorite people.
Gary Garison.
He's a fight fan.
Welcome, please to the AGame podcast, Mr. Reagan.
Archibald.
Hey, good to have me on.
That was an impressive intro.
Thanks man.
So we, we were talking a little bitoffline and uh, I was saying you
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have so much information out thereand you're one of those guys where
sometimes I do a little bit of researchand then you're kinda like, alright,
I, pretty much nobody's gonna talkabout, but I feel like everything I
read and everything I listen to youtalk about so many different things.
Like there's no twointerviews that are the same.
So I feel like it, it's all kindof new to me and part of what.
I think is a really important thingis people are talking about biohacking
(07:38):
and living towards a hundred now, butas I'm in my forties and I'm hanging
around with, you know, jujitsu guysand fighters and athletes all the time.
We're not worried abouta hundred right now.
We're worried about how do we feel betterin our forties, fifties, and sixties.
So I feel like there's so many greatthings because as a lot of entrepreneurs
come on this podcast, we're burning thecandles at both ends, and we're neglecting
our health to chase our finances.
(07:59):
And I feel like you're the guy that canhelp put the glue together to help us
be able to get our health, our energy,and our cognitive function back so we
can put more time and energy into ourfamily and into our financial success and
have a better overall quality of life.
So I'll hand that overto you, sir, and ask you.
How'd you get where you are today?
Where, where did you come fromand how did this whole path for
functional medicine and and outsidethe box medicine stuff come about?
(08:23):
Um, well first of all, thanks somuch for having me on the A game.
I, I am going to try to bring my A game.
I mean, I'll do my verybest if I go B style.
Just, just give me the warning.
Um, but, but the, the way I got intoit is just a desire to do something
outside of farm work and ranching and.
And it wasn't that I didn'tlike that work, I just wanted
(08:44):
to make a bigger impact.
And I was always very interestedin my own personal health.
My dad gave me a book called InnerAthlete by Dan Millman at the age of 13.
Turns out it was actually my mom whogave it to my dad to give it to me.
So, so I'll give credit wherecredit's due, but that book taught
me the power of visualization.
It taught me, um, how toaccess healing in my own body.
(09:07):
Um, but what it also did that.
Was unexpected is it helped metransition, uh, very quickly through
a surgery I had on both of my feet.
And, um, the surgery, you know, most,most of peop, most kids my age, if
you've went through it, you, youknow, it's like a six month recovery.
Mine was like, I. Two months.
And the podiatrist was like,this is shocking, this can't be.
(09:30):
And I was like, I'vebeen doing visualization.
And the podiatrist waslike, you're full of shit.
But, um, I didn't care 'cause I healedso quickly and, and that was kind of
the first thing that put me on thetrajectory to really go into medicine.
But to not take it at face value.
And when I was actually in themedical program at the University of
Utah, I started getting really sickand I was like, something's wrong.
(09:53):
And I had five doctors misdiagnosedme and it was finally a naturopathic
doctor who was also an acupuncturist.
That ran the right labs and he islike, oh, you've got Hashimoto's.
And it wasn't stressthat was burning me out.
'cause I kept telling the doctor,it's like, it's not stress.
I really enjoy school.
It's just learning.
It's easy.
There's no, there's noone coming after me.
(10:13):
It's, there's not bitter cold.
I just am studied.
It's fun.
And uh, but it was that doctorthat said, yeah, have you ever
been exposed to chemicals?
And I was like, nah, not, not much.
Uh, and he is like, nothing on the farm.
I was like, well, maybe a little like.
You know, we'd have planes thatwould spray the fields and I would
get crop dusted with chemicals.
I'd, I'd spray the riverbanks withRoundup and, and then, oh yeah, we'd put
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our fence posts in formaldehyde and so Iwould be hugging, you know, formaldehyde
laden fence posts in the summers.
So, turns out that was a problem.
And uh, now we know, like, youknow, Monsantos is under fire.
I mean, 2,500.
Class action like lawsuits,class, action lawsuits.
So, so yeah, that Roundup is not safeas, as was, you know, prescribed.
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But, um, but that's whatgot me where I am today.
And, and now today, youknow, I'm an entrepreneur at
heart, uh, just like you are.
Like I. Just, um, unemployableis probably the reality of it.
I just do things so nuanced.
Like even, uh, coming outta school Ihad a lot of job opportunities and I
was like, that just sounds horrible.
And it's like, uh, you know, safetyand security, or I could just slug
(11:23):
it out and build up my own practiceand maybe do a little bit better.
And so, so I went that route, of course.
Um, and um, it's justbeen a fun journey and so.
I love helping entrepreneurs, like youmentioned, I'm the glue that allows
them to look at health as their numberone metric of success, not wealth.
And you can't be wealthywithout your health.
(11:46):
And I think a lot of peopleforget that along the way.
So, so that's, that brings meto today, we're where we are.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
And you know, it's, it's so funny, Iwas, I was talking to David Green from
BiggerPockets and he was like, man.
When my bank account is fat, mywaist is small, and when my waist
is small, I'm like, he's like,it's always one or the other.
I never have like, good HealthInc. It's always one or the other.
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I, I think I said that back way,but like fat bank account, fat
belly, you know, like, like small.
Totally.
Yeah.
Because it's one or the other.
So, and I, and I. I feel like we,it's been glorified to neglect your
health and to work, you know, 90hours a week or whatever it is, and
not sleep and drink caffeine all day.
And like at some point I feel likethat's where that burnout comes in.
So I think what we were talking aboutbefore, this is very interesting because
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we're at a time where I. I feel likemore than ever, and again, maybe it's
just me in the circles that we're kindof in, but I feel like for the first
time I can remember there's an actualdistrust in pharmaceutical companies
and doctors' opinions and like peopleare starting to see through, like some
stranger just gave me seven minutes inan office and gave me a prescription
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and barely listened to what I said.
But I, I always make the, thejoke about like, what do you
call the guy who graduated last?
The medical school.
You still call him a doctor, itdoesn't mean he's good at what he does.
And right now you come in with all thisholistic stuff when you hear all these
stories about people finding better waysand all these horror stories about like
where surgery's gone wrong and medicineand addiction and all this stuff.
(13:12):
So talk a little bit aboutthe misdiagnosis problem.
'cause I've heard Gary Breckertalking about that a lot.
Yeah, where people are not reallygetting the attention they need
to actually find the root cause.
They're just basically given aprescription and then sent back home
and it's not really helping them.
And then they spend weeks, months,and years trying to fix something
that wasn't really the cause anyway.
Yeah.
(13:32):
Hmm.
I, I think the misdiagnosis is, toyour point, when you've got seven
minutes with a patient, you'vegotta diagnose really quickly.
And the only way you can do that is ifyou make massive sweeping assumptions.
And those massive sweepingassumptions are what get people
put on antibiotics very quickly.
And so we have this epidemic of theseantibiotic resistant bacterial strains.
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You get people on antidepressantsIn Utah, we are one of the highest
prescribers of Prozac, for example.
And when we see patients that come inand they're like, oh, I'm depressed
and my doctor put me on Prozac, andit doesn't seem to help, it actually,
maybe it's made things worse and it,you know, for sure I have no libido
and all these things go along with it.
These side effects.
(14:18):
And I just asked the question like,well, have you ran your thyroid panel?
And, and they're like, no.
What does that have to do with depression?
And so, you know, they, they, andthere's a fundamental etiology
that is, is missed when it comes tomedicine, where they're not looking
downstream what is the cause of it?
So, so your thyroid isa dopamine modulator.
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If you have good thyroid transmission,good thyroid hormones, you're gonna
be motivated, you're gonna feel good.
Your body temperature'sgoing to be regulated.
You're gonna have.
Nice, clear, uh, skin.
You're gonna have good bowelmovements, all the fun things in life.
One of the Chinese emperors,he said, happiness is a cup
of tea and a bowel movement.
So,
so just, just, uh, so hehad good thyroid health.
(15:02):
Um, but, but the funny thing aboutthat is, uh, so many women could
have been, um, taken care of andnot put on Prozac or other SSRIs,
Cymbalta, whatever it may have been.
If they would've had a doctorthat actually took the time to
listen and think outside of thepharmaceutical prescriptive box.
(15:23):
And, and so it's not thedoctor's fault actually.
Uh, Nick, it's the system's fault andthe system has trained doctors to be
very decisive and to, you know, moveat a certain cadence because the only
way that the medical system makesmoney is when you're really sick.
And if there's not some big procedurethat's going up and you don't have
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a bunch of medical necessity to,to prove with your treatment a
prescription, there's very littlemedical necessity that is warranted.
So they can write a prescriptionvery quick, get you on the way a
surgery or if you're doing some kindof intervention, um, that requires
a lot more time and complexity.
And a lot of doctors just,they don't have the luxury of.
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Of doing that in the model, which iswhere so many people are coming over to
our model, which is more the concierge,uh, personalized medicine that's very
predictive, but it's done in a way thatis performance based so that people
have this roadmap of where they can taketheir, their health into the future.
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It's interesting because whatyou're saying about the, the
medical stuff, I remember I, Ihad a like, just stomach pains.
I couldn't figure out what they were.
So I went, I got a colonoscopy,I got endoscopy, I got all that
kind of stuff, and they came backand like, we didn't find anything.
So what we wanna do is we wanna putyou on antidepressants because we think
it's something chemically in your gut.
And I was like.
I don't feel comfortable with that.
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And so I went to another doctor who was aneurologist, who was like, Hey, you're not
sleeping well, so I'm gonna give you, andI forget what he tried to prescribe me,
but it was the same thing that they weregiving my dog who was dying of cancer.
And I was like, wow, I don'tfeel cone or something.
I forget.
I, I'll, I'll, I'll look at what it was.
I forget.
It's right on the tip of my tongue.
And I'm like, how do I forget this?
But it was one of thosethings where I'm like, again.
And then my stomach got worse.
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And it turned out it was because Iwas having, the stomach medicine was
actually making my stomach hurt more.
And it was like, you go to this doctorfor help, they prescribe you this stuff.
And it actually made me feel worse andI didn't feel comfortable taking these
like heavy duty stuff that when youdo your research, it's like, man, the
side effects on here are, are worsethan what you're feeling already now.
So I've been like a, a big believerlately of like, just even when they write
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me the scripts, I just don't take them.
It's like that's, that doesn't, that'snot long term, you know, even like the.
You were asking about my hand.
I remember when I hurt myhand, they wanted to gimme
these drugs after the surgery.
And I was like, well, like it'll help,but how long do I have to take it?
And they were like, forever.
And I was like, yeah, but I'm, I'm 25.
And they were like, well,eventually what's gonna happen
is you're gonna develop leukemia.
'cause your body's gonna fightback from like this medication,
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but you don't have to worry aboutthat till you're in your fifties.
And I was like.
It doesn't really sound like agood, like, I'm just gonna not
take these, you know what I mean?
But, but this is what they go to andthey're like, I'll worry about it later.
So I guess my, my full circlequestion here is post pandemic, like.
I don't know if that's kinda what it waswhere people started opening their eyes
and questioning things a little bit more.
But there was a couple of doctorswhere you bring up things like peptides
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and they're like, peptides are great.
I take them too, and this is a littlebut from my Juujitsu people, there's like
10th Planet Juujitsu and then there'slike traditional juujitsu and then there's
guys that do both and are like, there'ssomething to be learned from everything.
I have all the information.
Here's what I think would work for you.
Are you finding that we're seeinga turn of the tides where more
traditional doctors are being moreopen to some of these untraditional
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approaches and cures for things?
No question.
I mean, I've, uh, I'veseen that in my career.
My, one of my very first employees wasa neurologist, uh, her, her daughter,
um, as well, um, who, you know, justfinished medical school and now Dr.
Vincent's re retired.
But, um.
But I've, that's why I called myclinic East, west Health, and so it's
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because I see there's so much wisdomin all the medical traditions and
you know, the timeless principleslike what worked 3000 years ago.
There's a lot of that stuff thatstill works today, and we just think
it needs to be new and innovative.
But at the same time, the westernpart of me, the innovation,
like we are cutting edge.
You know, we're on the, that, um,that, that bleeding tip of the spear
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when it comes to medical innovations,but we're only doing it and if it fits
a certain framework, you know, theframework being like it's got to yield.
Results that are going to be betterthan anything else that we're using.
But it also, so it's gotta beeffective, but it also can't compromise
anything in your future health.
So if there is some peptide or somestem cell therapy or regenerative
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medicine treatment that we're doing,if I told you, Nick, like, you're
gonna feel really good for a coupleof decades and it's gonna handle this.
But by the time you're in your fiftiesor seventies or whatever, um, that's
when things are going to go sideways.
Then we just wouldn't even touch it.
We'd say, well, let's keep looking.
Let's find a better solution.
And if not, your future is way moreimportant than your present moment
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because as you know that, you know,you're, you're in your forties now, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so imagine if now youhave to start thinking about.
Leukemia.
What would, what would be thebiggest change for you if you were
thinking about that right now?
I mean, everything that would be a,A, I'd have to rethink my whole life.
There'd be, it'd be survival.
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It wouldn't be thriving.
It would be just how do I survive?
I. Yeah, what are the treatments,what are gonna be, what are the
side effects of some of these?
Like, am I gonna be on methotrexate?
You know, you just start going throughthe, I mean, um, it's probably not where
you want to put your energy right now.
I mean, just a, just a guess.
Yeah.
So, so I think that's where ifyou're, if you're building a roadmap
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for your health, the number onething you wanna have is clarity.
Where do you want your health to be?
10 years from now, 20 years from now,that marginal decade is what Peter Atea
calls it, is that last 10 years of life,which are the, the years of life that put
the most burden on the healthcare system.
But they're also the worst yearsof most people's li I mean, I had a
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grandmother on my wife's side, um, sonot, not biologically, but she was 103.
And I was, I was like, all right, Maxine,you've like, what is, what's it like?
I mean, do you wanna live longer?
And she was like, I can't wait to die.
I mean, she, she couldn't wait to get out.
She had her independence for themost part, but she didn't really
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have a future that she'd created.
And I said, well, I don't wannabe 103 year old who is miserable.
And she wasn't miserable, butshe just wasn't happy, you know?
And so this is where that marginaldecade, uh, I, I could look at
another patient, Eldon, he wasnearly a hundred when he passed.
He's 98.
And he had 131 grandkids,and he was very active.
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I mean, his son, the last three monthsof, of care, his son would bring
him to the office and Elden, um,I'd always say, how you doing today?
And he's like, well, uh,I'm, I'm doing great.
But I can tell you getting old is not forsissies, but it beats the alternative.
And, and so I think we, we need toreframe our thinking and we say, okay,
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well, what do I want my death to be like?
And so I want to help my patientslive very long and die fast when
it's their time and there's a, a, a.
Term called premature mortality, wherewe have people younger and younger in
our society walking around with chronicconditions in large part because it was
doctors that that people visited in theirtwenties who put them on a medication that
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was probably too aggressive and on it toolong, or whatever the circumstance was.
Now they're suffering the consequencesof the medical interventions.
And so, you know, my job is to preventthe premature mortality, but really
to build the very first thing in, in alongevity plan, which is health span.
Man.
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So I think this is a, a, a very goodtransition into what you do because
there's people that I feel like, likemyself, where, you know, I've been doing
juujitsu and stuff for a long time.
I still get up.
I still run.
And I think comparatively for someonemy age, I feel like I'm healthy.
But then there's things you do,like I was telling you earlier, I
took this medication that turnedout to not really be the big thing.
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So I, but all of a sudden I feltamazing and I was like, oh yeah.
This is what it feels like.
Like I forgot what it was liketo not wake up with back pain.
I forgot what it's like to notfeel like I'm 45 every day.
And I think we get used to certainthings in our reference point for what
you're supposed to feel like when you'reactually doing the right thing and you're
physically and mentally healthy in there.
I. People forget because they're,they're just slowly accepting that
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this is what it is now in lifeand you're really changing that.
So if somebody's listening to this rightnow and they're like, I feel okay, but
I feel okay for relative to what I'vebeen feeling for the last five or 10
years, how do I know like what I needand if I really am, how healthy, how
could I be maybe living a better life?
How can I improve my quality?
Where does, where dothose tests even start?
How do we even start thatconversation to figure out is
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there things that we can fix?
And, and are you really ashealthy as you think you are?
Hmm.
Yeah, I, I, so the veryfirst place is blood labs.
I mean, uh, and we have aspecial link for your listeners.
So, um, they will get to the frontof the line, um, uh, getting their
comprehensive blood panels done.
Most doctors are gonna run anywherefrom 12 to 24 different markers.
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Our test is going to be about a hundred.
24 markers.
And so, um, it's a very comprehensivecheck, check in to see what's
going on underneath the hood.
But we run it through what's, what'sconsidered an optimization profile.
So we have a team ofresearchers and scientists.
So I ended up leaving Universityof Utah and studying at a school
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in Hawaii where I learned easternmedicine and western medicine.
And Earl Bachan is one ofthe founders of the school.
He's the inventor, the pacemaker.
And he started a company calledMedtronics, and he always said that
probably 50% of pacemakers didn'tneed to ever be installed in patients.
It, it could have been prevented.
So our whole model was based onfinding patterns in the lab values
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that will show when a disease patternis a, is starting to take hold in the
body before symptoms ever show up.
So imagine if you could have.
Uh, a life where you didn't everhave to experience symptoms, but
you have somebody catching your backand protecting you against those
threats without you even noticing it.
And so that was what our training is.
So when we run your blood labs, we'regonna run the, the typical blood labs
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for LabCorp, but then we look at thedata and we narrow the parameters so that
we can see where these, these differentpatterns of disharmony start to show up.
And then we can make big changes inintervention so that you don't have to
experience any of the, the symptoms.
That makes a lot of sense.
So for, you know, middle, middle-agedperson thinking they're doing okay in
life, are there some key things that youwould say, Hey, think about these things
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or these symptoms that you might havegoing on that might tell you, Hey, maybe
you should get some labs done to see ifthese things are stuff we can make better.
Yeah.
Well, I, I think, you know, firstthing is you just think, um, how
is your energy throughout the day?
Because I look at health as, asin direct proportion to the amount
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of energy that you can generate.
So can you show up and dothe work that you need to do?
Are you able to stay focused on thatwork long enough to make it meaningful
and make it rewarding, and also toget the result that you're after.
Um, and so that would be like number oneif, if you notice that your energy drops.
After you eat meals, I'm like,there's probably a blood sugar issue.
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And if you get that little sweetcraving and you're just like, ah,
man, I just could use a little bit ofsomething, you know, that's a good sign
that you've got blood sugar issues.
'cause you're in your blood sugar goesup after you eat and then it drops
too low so your insulin it, it doesn'thave the right glucose disposal system.
So, um, that's where you wanna workon what's called insulin resistance.
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Um, that affects our, our energy.
If you notice at night that you wake up.
To, to pee.
Um, there's a good chance thatyou've got some issues with blood
sugar just from that alone, andthat's going to impact your energy
because you've got disrupted sleep.
Uh, we'll also see it withstress, so, so stress and sugar.
I have a lot of people, Nick, whowe run their labs and I'm like, oh,
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unfortunately, uh, you're hemoglobinA1C is 5.7 in your insulin, fastings.
20. Um, you're like right on theborder, you're pre-diabetic and they're
like, I can't be, I never eat sugar.
And then their spouse will be thereand like, he never eats sugar, I swear.
And then I have him, youknow, do an oath on the Bible.
They don't eat.
No, I don't.
But, um, but I, I could.
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Um, but, uh, but what I, uh, whatthey, what it turns out to be is
a process called gluconeogenesis.
So if you have too much stress, thenyour body's going to start breaking
down proteins and usually in your legsand in your glutes, and it's going
to put sugar into your blood just tocircumvent the stress response internally.
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So, um, so these, these testing,and we could go super nuanced,
but first, first thing is giveyourself a score on your energy.
Second thing I would say islook at your body composition.
Is it, do you have, uh, the dad bod?
You know, don't, don't look at yourfriends and, and dudes by the way, we look
in the mirror and we're like, I look good.
You know, we get the, you know,we, we, we fool ourselves, ladies,
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you're gonna look in the mirrorand be like, oh, I look horrible.
Even though you look likemy wife is like 10 outta 10.
And I'm not just saying that'cause she's my wife, but she
literally is like a fitness, likeshe could be a fitness model.
She's just like, got the perfect physiqueand perfect body fat and all those things.
But she can't stand anypictures of herself, right?
And she looks in the mirror and she'sjust pulling out that one thing.
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So there's extremes.
But the real thing you wanna lookat is, do I have visceral fat?
And those, that's the thing thatcan take us out early because it's
inflammatory base and there's.
Really good solutions for that.
And then look at your cognitive function.
Look at your muscle and yourcardiovascular function, because
longevity is about those three things.
Is your brain optimized?
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Is your heart andcardiovascular system optimized?
And do you have the muscle massto take you into the future
in the way that you want?
'cause how long are yougonna do Juujitsu, Nick?
Hopefully, until I'm, uh, 135, I think.
Is, was was your goal to getpeople to live too, right?
I, I mean, I'd love to bedoing it forever, you know?
Man, that's great.
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And, and uh, and, and during thattime, when would you like your
brain to not function very well?
I. Never, I would like it to alwaysbe functioning on top, top cylinder.
That's actually why I stopped boxingwas 'cause I realized like, I, I'm
gonna need this brain for a while.
Like I'm gonna switch to Juujitsu andstop getting hit in the head every day.
Like, you know, younger, you'relike, I won't live that long anyway.
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I don't really need this brain.
And now I'm like, man,it's so, it's everything.
You know?
It's business stuff, man.
Like you value, like cognitivefunction, like higher than anything
at this point, which I didn'tappreciate when I was younger.
Uh, isn't it wild andyou love what you do?
I mean, to bring the, to bring yourA game, what does that mean to you?
How would you define that?
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I would love to be able to train at mybest physical potential and not have my
body hurt or have to limit the way I'mtraining or what I'm doing to work around
certain injuries or mobility issues.
I would also like to be able to train.
Rested and be clearheaded andat a good, at a good level
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that I'm firing at my best.
So I can be a good trainingpartner for my training partners.
But usually it's either I, I'meither, I can't put the mental
connections together 'cause I'm, I'moff or I had bad sleep or something.
Or even if I feel like mentally I'mthere, my body is not working the way
it should because my shoulder hurts ormy back hurts, or I pulled something.
So I feel like mentallyand physically it's.
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Bringing me to 60, 70%of where I should be.
And then there's just, you just don'teven go because you're like, well,
it's only gonna get worse today.
So if I could feel good and ifI can think quick and hold like
a good pace, that would be aperfect training session for me.
Man.
Well, and, and I, you andI are in the same boat.
You know, I'm, I'm not brave enoughto do boxing, uh, or Juujitsu,
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but I did, uh, play capoeira for awhile, and that's, that's about the
closest thing I got to juujitsu.
But one of my boys is into MMA andsick, and he, uh, he does juujitsu.
So the way he shows melove is by choking me out.
It's such a great sport.
But, um, but I want a mountain bike.
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I wanna ski, I wanna snowboard.
Um, I love lifting weights.
I love working out and, um,I want, I wanna do that.
But one of the, the criteriaI have is a no pain policy.
And that's what I have with anyonewe work with is, is you gotta get
rid of pain as quickly as possible.
Because as you mentioned, it's like.
Mentally, I'm there, but myshoulder hurts, my back hurts, and
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it's a distraction and it pullsyou outta the present moment.
It's, it's almost like having,uh, you know, I think if we all
ended up having this like, uh, thisconnection, the cloud is hominini,
um, you know, like some people arepredicting where we're just gonna be.
I. Connected to everything all the time.
Can you imagine the amount of distractionthat you'd have to sort through?
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Um, but you know, that's what pain does.
It's like, it's all these, it's like,it's like putting that like image,
like on a Facebook feed or whatever.
I don't do much social media, butit drains our energy faster than
anything, and pain usually gets worse.
Over time, it does improveon its own when it's chronic.
And so, um, the no painpolicy is a, is a big one.
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So you're just gonna haveto come out to Utah, buddy.
We'll take care of you.
I would love that, man.
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Any way you're looking to getit on a residential, commercial,
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Let's find a way to get you involved insome projects, get you some properties,
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Everybody that invests inreal estate always just says
they wish they did it sooner.
Best time to start is today.
So I didn't have this on thedocket to talk to with you about,
but now that you bought it up,I think it's a, a great topic.
So I love coal plunges.
I mean, lemme take this back.
I hate coal plunges.
The worst, worst.
But, but I, I do them, Ido them like I hate them.
They're my every day.
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If I see one, I'm like, ah,now I gotta do this thing.
I hate it, but.
Every time I bring it up or I post apicture, some people are like, let's go.
And then you have other peoplethat are like, well, you know,
there's really not any science.
And they start giving me like the, I'mlike, look, even if there's no scientific
proof that it's, it's physicallyhelping me, I feel like as a person.
Forcing yourself the first time inthe morning to do something that you
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really don't want to do is like justa great mental exercise for like
every, I want nothing less than to goin the stupid ice tub at five o'clock
in the morning, but you do it andyou feel like, cool, I just check one
thing off my box that was hard today.
I'm gonna go kick today's ass andif I got nothing else from it, I
feel like that's worth it to me.
But you obviously.
Do them.
And you're a health guy.
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So where, what is it?
Where is the science?
Where is the documentation?
What are the benefits or some ofthe myths of, of coal plunging?
Like what are the facts aboutthe, the benefits of coal plunges?
I. Man.
Well, um, first of all, uh, good for youbecause when you get, um, hit in the face
with a cold plunge Yeah, you're right.
It's like, I always just joke with people.
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I'm like, it's the worst thing you'regonna ever have to confront in the day.
And I've been doing it for, um, let'ssee, when I turn 40, so seven years.
When I turn 40 every year I do a, achallenge where I'm gonna do something.
I'm gonna build a new skill when itcomes to health and longevity, and
I'm gonna do it every day for a year.
And, and so, um, my 40th birthdayevery day was a cold plunge.
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And, uh, I didn't miss a day.
And, and a lot of days I starteddoing it twice, two a days.
Uh, it was just so rewardingbecause I noticed this amount of
clarity, uh, cognitively that comesafter you get out that I never
experienced through anything else.
And that, you know, I did ayear of, of, uh, microdosing
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with psilocybin, for example.
And, um, and I got alot of clarity that way.
But the, um, the mental clarity is, isnumber one that you want to think about.
So when you get in the cold water, you'regoing, you're getting vasoconstriction.
And so all your blood vessels arepushing all the, the, the warm blood into
your organs as a protective mechanism.
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So I'll just go through kind of the,the process so people can understand,
um, what the science is behind it.
And then once you have that,that nice constricted property.
Um, the constricted property is, ispart of the release of epinephrine,
so you're getting this nice adrenalinerush, and epinephrine and adrenaline
are kind of, they use the same thing,different terminology and, and that
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little adrenaline rush that you getif you could breathe through it.
And if, and this is where Wim Hof isjust a hero of mine and I had a chance
to, uh, interact with him in January.
Um, which is really cool.
But, um, but yeah, if you can do somebreathing and mitigate that, then
what happens is you get this endorphinrelease from your brain and that
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endorphin release allows all thesecatecholamines to circulate through
your body, and that's where you geta lot of the reparative effects.
So, uh, the inflammatory markers comedown, you get this vasoconstriction.
So it's changing, it'sgetting rid of those.
Brittle blood vessels.
So if you have shoulder pain or even inyour, your head, you've been punched a lot
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from boxing, um, the beautiful thing aboutit is you're going to get, when you start
warming up, you'll get the vasodilation.
And the vasodilation is when your bloodvessels now can start healing the body.
So you get all these anti-inflammatorymolecules that circulate.
And this is why it's really important todo your cold plunge before the workout and
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then give yourself about four hours afterthe workout because you're essentially
inducing recovery when you do cold plunge.
I. So that brings up an interestingpoint because I, I recently just heard,
I think it was Joe Rogan and AndrewHuberman talking about a, a study from
somewhere in Asia that they would docoal plunge and then they would work
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out right after and they would lettheir body naturally warm back up.
And from doing that, their testosteronelevels went through the roof.
Mm-hmm.
So what is the, the timeline there?
'cause you mentioned thefour hours, so like, for me.
I don't have a cold plunge atJiujitsu, so I would have to do it
here and then drive there a half hour.
Has the effects worn off there?
Like what, what is that window?
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That helps, that's perfect becausethat's your naturally, your body's
going to be warming up anyways.
And um, and then you can go and I.Do Juujitsu, but, um, I, I personally
just like to do cold plunge.
I dry off and then I go and do my workout.
Uh, and, and by the way, like youdon't have to do it every day.
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It, it can be three, four times a week,kind of the, uh, the threshold is about
11 minutes of cold, cold being somewhere.
Be below 45 degrees, and if yougo above 45, then you can spend
more time in there if you like it.
But, um, I like to keep itas cold as possible and then
make the duration shorter.
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Uh, I get the stimulus and then I move on.
But, um, I like going right afterjust because you can go and slug
a good workout and, um, you justlike, you feel pretty invincible.
Yeah, no, I agree with that.
So that, that now leads into the nextthing that I almost feel like the coal
plunge talk is the new water heater orwater cooler where like people are, are
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always talking around the coal plungewhile you're taking turns jumping in.
And of course, peptides stemcells, PRP, like it's all
coming up, coming up, coming up.
I get a bunch of my guys that havegone out to, um, Columbia, to the
place out there to get the stem cells.
But I still now, fromwhat I have been hearing.
It works a little bit andthen it kind of doesn't.
And, and to be fair, like maybe they'renot taking care of their body after that.
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Like Columbia's probably notthe best place to go to be like,
now I'm gonna go be healthy forthe next week while I'm here.
Who knows?
But even like the PRP and some of theseother things, I'm not hearing that miracle
that I want to hear from people thatare like, well, I didn't get surgery.
But now from peptides, I am.
And I think you and I were talkingbefore we started recording where.
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I tore ligament in my hand, the juujitsu.
And I went to another blackbelt and he was like, why would
you bother getting surgery?
Don't you take peptides?
And I was like, you mean like the powder?
I put in my coffee in the morning?
And he was like, nah, dude.
Like you don't, you have no.
And then he started telling me, like, andI had Ian McCall on here, I should link
you up with him, but he's a huge guy withlike psychedelic brain trauma injuries.
And he was telling me how, oh cool, cool.
Awesome.
Yeah, he, he was, um, he was saying oneof his buddies broke his foot sparring.
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Went to the doctor, the guystarted giving him BPC 1 57.
They went back two weeks later,did an x-ray again, and the bone
was healed and the doctor thoughtthey were messing with him.
He's like, that's not your foot.
So let's talk, because my, my thingI was telling you earlier was, I'm
so interested in peptides now, butthere's so much bad and contradictory
information out there from peoplewho haven't really done the research.
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So you got.
They're Instagram people that reallyhave no idea what they're talking
about because they're not qualified.
And then you have the old schooldoctors that don't really want to
be part of that new generation ofthinking and learning things different.
And then we have guys like youthat are actually putting the time
in to separate fact from fiction.
So anybody listening that'slike, what the hell's a peptide?
Let's start there.
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And then we can build out to some of the,the main ones, like the one five sevens
and some of the stuff that you like.
Great.
Well, we've been doingpeptides for about a decade.
We're one of the top threeclinics in the country as far
as like prescription quantity.
So we, um, we do it better than anybody.
We, I have a group called Go Wellness,where I've trained doctors on
peptides and they just came natural.
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It's like, I think I knew aboutpeptides from the past life because,
um, I, I see him three dimensionally.
They have, you know,they've changed my life.
They've changed thousands of of clientsthat we've worked with over the years.
But what a peptide is, is it's anatural substance in your body.
It's a protein structure.
It's short amino acid chains.
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So yes, the collagen peptides thatyou put in your coffee, uh, those are
some of the essential amino acids.
These are.
Are, um, similar amino acids, butthey're structured in a way that
your biology uses those as inputs.
So if you think about what peptidesare as it's a communication messenger,
hormones are going to be more of along-term communication pathway peptide.
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Are more the short term.
It's like a text message.
Um, and, and so the great thingabout that is as we age, we
have genes that get turned off.
The universe wants to recycleus after about the age of 35.
And, and it's just a, it's a slow process.
You know, gravity is aging as agravity fed sport, but you can
use peptides to circumvent that.
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So BPC 1 57, you mentioned thatone is body protective complex.
Um, this peptide has been around for.
30 plus years.
There's, there's actually a, a companyin Croatia that has the patent on, on
how to sequence this peptide in thevery particular way that mimics the same
excretion of your body and how to havethe acetyl group so that peptide gets
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expressed and the best fashion possible.
And so.
So BPC, what it can do is it's angiogenic.
So we just talked abouta cold plunge, right?
And what it does to your blood vesselswhen you contract and expand them.
It's like cold plunge is like a, anexercise, it's like a VO two max or
like doing high intensity intervaltrainings for your cardiovascular
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system without the stress on your body.
Peptides like BPC 1 57, it's like gettingthe recovery and the nitric oxide,
um, from those particular activities.
Without doing those activities, I'm notsaying like, okay, you can take peptides
and now you don't need to exercise.
All I'm saying is you're gonna wannaexercise more because you recover
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so much faster, you feel better.
I'm always competing against lastyear's time and my mountain biking and
skiing, snowboarding, you know, my lapsand and peptides for the way to do it.
To do it.
So BPC 1 57 has been shown inresearch, uh, for rats, for example.
They wanted to see if it would haveany cognitive benefits, and so they
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induced a traumatic brain injury on theserats, and they had some hemiplegia and
they dropped a brick on their heads.
It's kind of barbaric, but I, Ididn't, I didn't, I was not the one
in the study, but, but, um, case ofbrick ever gets dropped on your head.
Here's.
What you can do.
Uh, um, but they gave one group ofrats, BPC 1 5 7 in the water, and
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then they had the control groupthat was just a placebo, nothing.
It was just water.
And what they found is that thegroup of rats that drank the water,
they actually started to have, uh,restoration of their nervous function.
They started moving better and theybecame more alert and they had a
much better recovery than the ones.
That didn't.
They've done the same.
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You know, there's multiplestudies with Achilles tendons.
If you've had a lot of steroidalinjection in your joints.
BPC can help reverse a lot of thedamage from those corticosteroids.
And 'cause corticosteroidsare bad on the joints.
Uh, the more you canavoid that, the better.
The other thing you that we do isbecause they're angiogenic, we've
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done stem cells for 14 years.
We actually have a law passed in Utahthat protects us doing those now called
Senate Bill 1 98, if you wanna look it up.
But, um, we find that if.
We can stack peptides like BPC1 5 7 or thymosin beta four.
You're going to get a better expressionin those stem cells because you
have, now you have the vascularitythat gets energy to the cells.
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One of the reasons why itdidn't, didn't work for your.
Uh, you know, your friends inColumbia, I'd imagine is because they
didn't have the right environmentfor the stem cells to thrive.
So that's where peptidescan be really important.
Even with like PRP, you, youdo want to stack those, those
regenerative treatments.
I. Peptides won't get you therealone, but those treatments
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won't get you there alone.
When you, we combine those, that'swhere we have a 95% success rate.
We can very, uh, accurately tellsomebody what their prognosis is, what
they can expect as far as an outcome,um, if they follow the protocol.
That's awesome.
And so when we talk about the peptidesnow, they're, I sometimes they'll bring
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it up and guys will come up to me andthey're like, oh, I started taking it.
I'm like, where'd you get it from?
I'm like, I ordered it from a website.
And I'm like, man, that, like, I feellike this is also the, the thing is.
Who's, when people are saying, I triedand I got this result, it's like, well,
where did, where'd you get it from?
Like, what was in it?
Like you're not testing it.
So is it almost like, 'cause even, Imean even stuff that is tested, you
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see guys in UFC all the time that aretaking the stuff that was approved
by the UFC and it comes back tainted.
Like, so if even the stuff that they'rechecking is tainted, how do you now
find a good supplier or some likepure, legitimate, healthy peptides.
Yeah, there's only, uh, uh, aboutthree pharmacies in the United
States that make peptides in theway that you want 'em sequenced.
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Like it's a real art and it's cumbersome.
Like it's, uh, it's, it's not like,um, uh, any other prescription drugs
where you can, you can do a massivebatch and just put it on the shelves.
Like peptides are very unstable.
And so, so the, the peptides that peopleget online, especially if you get the
powdered agents and then you put your own.
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Bacteria, static water or sterile waterinto that and reconstitute it, it's
missing a step in the purity process.
So, um, that's, that's thing numberone that we've uncovered is that
there's a lot of these immunogenic orimmune responses to, um, some of the
peptides just because they didn't,they're not fully, um, purified.
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So they're, they're not takenthrough the sterilization process.
And the second thing that we found isa lot of the, the peptides that you
can buy online, um, we test those andit's a completely different, it's a
fragment of BPC 1 57 or it doesn'thave the right, uh, acetyl groups.
So, so the way that you, youterminate the ends of peptides is
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what allows the peptides to get intothe cell and dock on the surface
of the cell for the expression.
If you don't have, sorry,to get so technical on this.
If you don't have the, the rightcapping, um, and it, it, it's, it's
almost like they can get broken downmuch quicker than they can make it
to the receptor sites on the cells.
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And so, um, you, you do need toget peptides that are prescribed.
I. And even though you maysell, it costs more money.
It's like, it's not that much moreexpensive to get it through a doctor
who knows peptides and how to, youknow, knows how to sequence it.
Um, and then you wanna makesure that it is from a pharmac
pharmacy that's FDA approved.
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So, um, if it comes with your nameon it, it gives you the specific
dose it's prescribed by a doctor.
Generally speaking, those aregoing to be s. From, uh, pharmacies
that, that are definitely safe.
And then there's, like I mentioned,there's three pharmacies that we
trust that we've vetted out overthe last decade, and we love those.
And that's, um, you know, for the mostpart that's what most of us are using,
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who are doing peptides the right way.
That makes sense.
And I, as far as I know, there mightbe other options, but you can get
a, a pill form or an injectable.
Is that correct?
And if so, what are the, when andwhere should you be deciding which
one of those ways to ingest it?
Well, something like BPC, it is, um,orally available because it's made by
the gastric secretions in your gut.
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Um, but 70% of peptides are justnot going to, I mean, they're
gonna get broken down before theycan ever do anything internally.
And so, um, there is, you know, themajority of them you have to inject
and it's a subcutaneous injection.
It's actually super simple.
It can be intimidating at times,but once you do it a couple times.
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It's easy.
So for your injury, for example, Nick,like injecting BPC, right into the
area that's damaged in your, in yourligament, um, that would, where, that
would be where you're going to havethe most outsized return if you can
tolerate injecting yourself there.
Um, so, but that would be, butif you take it oral, you're still
going to get some benefits, but it'sgoing to be more systemic because
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you, you want to concentrate thearea with as much BPC as you can.
Okay, that makes sense.
And you know, I was, I was, Ithink I texted you maybe a week or
two ago, 'cause I was, you know,my dad's in his mid seventies.
Yeah.
And every week he's, well my back andhe's getting a hand surgery next week
and he's already talking about after thatI'll get two knee replacements and then
after that we're gonna get my back filled.
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And I was like, and then what?
You're gonna start kicking acid 85 andNo, come on, we, we can do it, dude.
So.
Like E, even if there are sideeffects and stuff, I feel like
surgery should be the last option.
It's like you can't undo the surgery.
And yesterday my my businesspartner, she hurt her knee playing
pickleball and she went to thedoctor and she's so upset because
she's finally getting active again.
(50:35):
And the doctor said, Hey, youmost likely tore a meniscus.
And she was like, well, Idon't wanna get surgery.
What about BPC 1 57?
And he was like, look, there's no proofthat that actually heals anything.
It's just gonna mask your symptoms.
And I was like.
I, I don't know if you just want to takethat at face value, like, and even if it
doesn't necessarily heal it, if it canmake it good enough to avoid surgery, I
Is that part of what you would do withsomebody is like, Hey, if this is at all
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in a way that it can be fixed, that youdon't actually have to go under the knife.
This is the option.
You should try first, and thenif all else fails, then maybe
we go out the other direction.
Or are you seeing that that's reallykind of like the last thing people
need and you're seeing like amazinghealing properties from just that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, um, there's, there's a sequence.
So peptides, you don't wanna stay on'em long-term on the same peptide.
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You want to turn the genes on, and thenyou want to cycle in other peptides.
So, bp, CM, we're just talking aboutthat because it's a. Popular one.
A lot of people know about it, but there'sso many, I mean, there's a hundred plus
other peptides that are so phenomenal.
So like, uh, ACE 0 3 1.
You know, if someone has Achillesinjury, Achilles tendon injury, or
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they have a meniscal injury like your,your friend, um, she could, she could
think about, oh, let's, let's use afo statin, um, activator 'cause of.
A lot of people are doing thefo statin gene therapy and that
helps you build muscle mass.
But there's a peptide called, calledACE 0 3 1, and you can actually build
muscle naturally to protect the knee.
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So you wanna say, okay, well let's,let's heal the knee, but let's think
about the long term, uh, ramifications.
And then the long, long-term approachis like, well, let's get really
healthy mu muscle around that joint.
You know, so that's.
There's different ways of looking at it.
And then we wanna say, well,what else is going to help?
Well, growth hormone peptides.
And that's where you'd think, like rein,you could think, uh, CJC 1295 tessel.
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There's, there's just a whole suiteof, of peptides that, that we can
use to help facilitate the healing.
And I was speaking at a, atan event, uh, Jack Canfield
event, um, and it was awesome.
I love Jack.
But, um, this group in SantaBarbara just a couple days ago.
Uh, there's a doctor in the audienceand I was talking about all the
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different peptides and, and she waslike, well, I'm skeptical because
there's not enough clinical data.
She's like, there's no doubleblind clinical studies on peptides.
And I, you know, I said, well,actually, there, there are, um,
you know, there's studies that, uh,you know, there's peptides, dozens
of peptides that are FDA approved.
And then I named a few of those,but I said, but BPC 1 57, because
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we're talking about that a lot.
The, the problem with, with that peptideis that company in Croatia, they, they own
the patent on the right structuring of it.
And so no pharmaceutical company isgoing to put the money in to, to try
to run that through, uh, you know, an.
An FDA clinical trial to get it approvedto treat, uh, something that is, uh,
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very broad by definition, you know,it's going to help the body heal it.
It's re it regenerates tissue.
It's like, it's not specific enough.
They can't make money becauseit's not a diagnosable condition.
And so.
First of all, it's hard to get the patent.
Second of all, it's hard tomake the right structure.
And then the only way theycan get the patent is if they
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patent the administration of it,because it's a natural agent.
And so all this company has is thepatents on how to sequence it and
how to put the right caps on it.
So, um, I told this doctor in theaudience, I said, look, I understand
your question, but, um, what we'regoing to see, and I was just on the RF.
Make America healthy documentary.
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Oh, that's cool.
Talking about peptides.
Give 'em a book.
And, uh, and, and so, uh, I said the samething I said With ai, now we can aggregate
all this data with these large learningmodels and the clinical work that many of
us have done for, you know, a decade plus.
We have millions and millions of peoplewho have used these peptides safely.
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But more importantly, we'll, we'll havethe efficacy that will be far superior.
To any double-blind clinical study becauseI said, tell me one time where a person's
life has all the variables removed.
Right?
I mean, it's, it just, it's a stupid way.
It's like it's, yes, we want to tease outthe things that work versus don't work.
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But that double-blind clinical model,um, it doesn't apply to peptides
because peptides are never meant to beused as a drug to suppress a symptom.
All they're meant to do is remindyour body how to heal itself.
It's like turning on the engine, and oncethe engine's going, you got the momentum.
You don't need to stay on the peptide.
Interesting.
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So this is all super interestingand obviously there, I I never get
through all my notes, but I had somany questions about, you know, the,
the, the risks, the dangers, and thenthere's all these new things out, like
methylene blue and all this stuff.
But obviously.
We're not Doc.
Oh, I'm not a doc, I'm not a doctor.
So I would refer them to you.
And then you have a lot of ways that youcan help people that if they wanna know
more about these, I know you, I thinkyou actually wrote a guide with all the
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different peptides in there as well.
And so talk a little bit about some ofthe services you offer and how people
can connect with you and you can helpthem maybe address some of the problems
they have and live a better quality life.
Awesome.
Well, I, I appreciate that.
And um, for those of you who did not fallasleep on this, um, podcast because of
my, my, all my, all my, uh, um, people arelike, can you just talk in normal terms?
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But it's kind of, I, I, I think it'simportant if you guys take the time
to actually learn the terms, um,there's, it's not that complicated.
And you can, you can gain an enormousamount of, of leverage on your own
personal health just by understandingsome of the terminology that we use today.
But, um, so I have a book calledThe Peptide Blueprint, and it's,
(56:29):
um, I've got another book calledAgeless Future Operating System that
will, that will be out very soon.
But, but, uh, the Peptide Blueprint,if you guys ask my team, we'll send
you a copy of that, uh, for those.
Of you, we will provide alink for the blood labs.
That's the very first step is getthe right tests because, um, we can't
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prescribe peptides unless we have somedata to, to, to make sure that we're
moving in the right direction for you.
Peptides are generally very, very safe.
Like the risk profile is incrediblylow, um, but we wanna make sure
that it's effective for you.
It's our reputation on the line.
We got one reputation in lifeand we don't wanna mess it up.
So we gotta get the right labs.
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If you've had labs like throughanother functional medicine doctor,
we can use those no problem.
Um, but my team will willhelp you get set up there.
Um, and then, um, for those of you whowant to go deeper, I have a podcast called
Unreasonable Health, and then you can alsofind me on YouTube and you can dive in.
We have a lot of courses on there.
(57:32):
That's awesome man.
So those direct links willall be in the show notes.
We have all the ways for people toconnect with you, to follow you on
social media, start the blood labs.
I'm definitely gonna connect withyou offline and for the dude, I
didn't think any of this was boring.
I love the detail you wentinto and it made me wish I
had two or three more hours.
So I'm sure just like me, peoplehave tons of questions and their
own situations, so I would love forthem to connect with you as well.
(57:52):
You, sir, are somebody who brings yourA game to everything you do in life and
business, and this has been no different.
You definitely voice your agame of this podcast today.
I know you have to go.
Are there any final thoughts beforewe let you go about your busy day?
No, I, I think just where we startedthe conversation, Nick, is like,
um, make health, the, the metric ofsuccess and um, 'cause I've found when
health improves, everything improves.
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I. That's incredible, man.
You're a stud.
I really appreciate you coming on.
I look forward to hopefully seeingyou in a couple of weeks and having
you help Nicole and I with some ofour stuff that we have going on, man.
But I thought this was afascinating conversation.
You're an absolute stud.
It's been a pleasure totalk to you today, Mr.
Reagan Archibald.
Have a fantastic day,sir. Thanks so much, Nick.
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