April 3, 2024 • 48 mins
This week, we are thrilled to welcome Alexander Gibson, known for his unforgettable performance in the acclaimed show, "The Curse," Salongside Emma Stone, Nathan Fielder, and Benny Safdie.
Alexander portrays Pascal, a native of Española, who is roped into the filming of "Fliplanthropy" as a faux buyer for a passive living home.
Join us as Alexander shares his compelling journey, from his time in prision to his breakout role in "The Curse."
Alexander portrays Pascal, a native of Española, who is roped into the filming of "Fliplanthropy" as a faux buyer for a passive living home.
Join us as Alexander shares his compelling journey, from his time in prision to his breakout role in "The Curse."
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Welcome to the nerd Party. Hello, and welcome to the A twenty four
project. Here in the Nerd PartyNetwork, my name is Lee Hutchinson and
Dallas King and I make our waythrough the A twenty four filmography and along
the way bring you interviews with thetalent involved in front of and behind the
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camera. This week, we're thrilledto welcome Alexander Gibson, known for his
unforgettable appearance in the acclaimed show TheCurse, starring alongside Emma Stone, Nathan
Fielder, and Benny Safte. Alexanderportrays Pascal, a native of Espanola who
has roped into the filming of FlipLanthropy as a fake buyer for a passive
living home. Jonas is Alexander Shares'compelling journey from his time in prison to
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his breakout role in The Curse.Thanks so much to Alexander for joining me
and sharing his amazing journey with us, and hope you too will enjoy this
interview. One initially ignited your passionfor acting and how have you turned that
into a career? So acting wasnever like really a main goal for me,
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Like I didn't really have like likemy eyes dead set on acting,
but I kind of always had thislike feeling that I was I wanted to
entertain I wanted to be an entertainer, So I sang a lot growing up,
and I always like had this visionthat I was going to be a
big singer, you know, superstarkind of thing. And then I kind
of just fell into the acting worldand it just kind of started like,
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you know, snowballing into a littlemore, a little more and a little
more, and then you know,next thing, you know, I find
myself on The Curse and you know, finding myself working with you know,
all these amazing projects, and it'sit just kind of happened. Yeah,
it will definitely be touching on singinglater on. You you've mentioned obviously you've
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kind of The Curse wasn't your firstshow. But what would you kind of
recommend people that just discover you inThe Curse to check out who? Well,
let's see, I have a coupleof projects that I've worked on.
Mostly the stuff that's out right nowis mostly all background works. You'd see
me, like, you know,catch little snippets of me. You can
see me on Hulu on this pool, you can see me in American Jigglow
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with the was starring John Bernthal,just you know, as one of the
prisoners. And what else have Idone. I've done a few music video
That did a blue Face music videothat was actually one of my first first
gigs. But I also have twofeature films that are in the work,
actually three feature films that are inthe works now. I have one feature
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film that's a comedy called Porchata withOat Milk that's in post production. Should
be coming out hopefully this year,but you never know what public production posts
and stuff. You know, itcould be this year, it could be
two years from now. But soI have I have that that film called
Horchata with Oat Milk was like acomedy, and we did another film called
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Die Like a Man that was abit more on the drama side. Uh
where where I play Oh yeah sorry, and Horchata with Oat Milk. I
play a character named Vogo. Youknow, it's kind of like a wild,
kind of crazy guy, you know, just out of this world.
And then I play a character inUH Die Like a Man named Boom Boom.
He's like one of the you know, like gangsters. It's like just
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with UH with the squad that's youknow, like like I said, that
film is a little bit more onthe drama side, and that was really
amazing project to work on. Anduh, just recently, my most recent
project I just got back from SanFrancisco was filming out there for four weeks.
We did a feature film called SplashCity and it's like based on the
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culture out there called bipping. It'slike a bipping culture, whether it's like
smashing grabs, you know, peoplemore more known probably by and it's really
big out there. It's like ait's like a huge thing where it's like
come a big problem in their community. So they decided to make a film
on it, you know, whereit's like a modern night more crime family.
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Yeah. I I bled supporting rolein that. You know. We
did that film and uh yeah,now I'm just I'm just uh, you
know, like hanging out waiting forthat. For the next project, I
got picked up to do a shortfilm that was supposed to shoot last Wednesday
and they did just got pushed toApril. So that's what we're working on
right now. Yea is it iskind of the career getting back on track
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after the sag after strikes and soon. Has it been a bit of
a slow process of kind of theindustry getting back into the swing of things.
Uh, definitely, definitely, itwas. It was I wouldn't say
a slow process getting back, butit was. It was. It was.
It was very slow during you know, it was it was like you
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know of like dragging dragging through thethrough the strike, like gang, what's
gonna happen? You know, likeyou know, we don't we don't really
know, you know, how thosethings are gonna go sometimes, like it's
my first time. Uh like II actually the Curse is what got me,
uh flipped to SAG. So soI was, I'm pretty new to
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joining the SAG outfrom being union andas soon as I get on this big
union project and I'm union, shortlyafter, we go into these huge like
historical strike. You know, it'skind of story of my life type stuff.
But I'm like, hey, andthen uh but but once once the
strike lifted, we we were justlike it was like running and gunning.
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I feel like like we bounced rightback into it. Brilliant. So,
talking to the Curse, when didyou first hear about this opportunity? I
had heard about it through my manager. Actually she got the the audition,
uh, and put it out tothe team. We have a team called
from the Streets. I've been withmy manager and she uh as as as
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a group of us that she shemanages. So she sends out these auditions.
When she gets them, she'll sendthem to the whole team or anybody
that seems fit for it. AndI I auditioned, and and I don't
want to get ahead of myself becauseI know some of your questions, but
uh, yeah I auditioned. Theyended up liking me, and I get
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I got a callback, and yeah, I found out through her and she
just pushed it out to all ofus. Sounds like an interesting kind of
agency and all that sort of stuffwas Did you say it was from the
sort of streets to the sets?Did you say, yes, she is,
yeah, yeah, yeah, Sohow does that kind of work?
Is that sort of looking for itfor talent that might be not be well
represented or how how does that kindof work? Yeah? Yeah, so
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so the the so it's the basisis from the streets to set, the
actual company as you are a underrepresentedartists and but yeah, we started as
from the streets to set and uh, it's literally as it sounds, you
know, taking people that come fromthe street life or come from that that
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sort of rougher background, and andputting them in situations when they can where
they can make a living, youknow, like on sets, you know,
and like and like work our waysup. Like I started, I
started with her on background. Ihad a little bit about me and a
little bit about my background. Iwas actually uh in prison for quite a
while. So I got arrested asa juvenile and I was tried as an
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adult. I got arrested when Iwas sixteen years old, and I went
to prison for eleven years. Camehome, and I knew that I wanted
to entertain and get into the entertainmentbusiness somehow, and I started as a
production assistant. And then I endedup meeting somebody or I met somebody and
then followed him on Facebook. Andthen shortly after that, I see him
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put a post on Facebook that said, Hey, is anybody interested in being
like background on a TV show?This and that? And I was like,
hey, what's up? Hit himup. He sent me an email
which happened to be Bernice's email.I said, send her an email and
see if she needs any extra hands. Emailed her. She emailed me right
back and was like, hey,send me a couple of pictures and like
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a tank top and like you know, like if you have tattoos, show
them and stuff like that. AndI was like, cool, I sent
him some pictures. She was like, you're perfect. Next thing, you
know, I found myself on theset of SWAT on CBS and some more
and more and all of them,and I like, we're doing this big,
like crazy like fight, like likebrawl scene with the SWAT team and
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an alley like a mob of likegangster types, and that was pretty much
the beginning of my acting career.Was that quite surreal almost to go from
I can imagine like for such along stretch time in prison and probably quite
a lot of dark days to thenhave a moment like this where you are
like, could you ever ever imaginedthat you'd be there on the set of
this like huge TV show and kindof you know, a real kind of
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wow, like this is amazing.Almost Yeah. No. There's like like
throughout throughout my career, you know, and even to this day, I
still get these moments, these flashesof like oh my gosh, like I'm
really here, you know, likeI've even found myself on set, you
know, like what moments that justmoved me to tears, you know that,
like I'm so I'm so taken abackby I by the emotion that I
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have, you know, and thefeeling of just remembering where I was and
seeing where I am now. It'sjust it's just it's just been a roller
coaster of emotion, you know,incredible, Like it was interesting to me
like that one of the kind ofbest known sort of like casting directors,
Jennifer Vendetti, was kind of workingon on this show, and she's got
a real eye for for not noticingtime and like Safty Brothers films where there
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have been people where she's picked uppeople that maybe had prison experience or kind
of come from background street street actors, kind of social media. What was
it did you sort of interact withher sort of during your audition experience?
You know, what, if Ican be one hundred percent honest, Like
the whole audition like experience was kindof like a blur to me. It
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was just like, uh, youknow, like I had a lot of
anxiety going in and I was like, so I don't really remember too much
of it. And I even Ihave to confess, you know too,
that like I would like sitting talkingon a zoom call at one point to
Nathan Fielder, and I didn't evenrealize who I was talking to, you
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know, and I'm like, justit was just it was just a whirlwind
of you know, like a processfor sure. So I can't say that
I had any like notable interaction withanyone, you know, up to that
point. Was there a moment whenit clicked for you of like, you
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know, I suppose it was thatthis could be such a special project when
you think of like, oh,I'm talking to this guy and then you
realize, you know what his backgroundis. Then the same with like Safty
and then Amma Stone's moment. Wasthere a moment you realize this might be
a pretty special project that you've you'vekind of you're pulling the eye of the
tornado by the time you realize,yeah, definitely, Uh yeah. I
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was just like, like, becauseone of my other buddies from from the
Streets is Set also got cast ina film too, and that was really
kind of like amazing for us,you know, and we there was a
moment when we were having our likeregular team meeting for our monthly team meeting,
and then we're just hanging out andthen out of nowhere, like they
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bring out a cake. It sayslike, congratulations, we're getting cast in
on the Curse, you know,for me and the homie, and we're
just like damn, you know,like we're gonna be working with like some
real heavy hitters in this industry.Like this is like it's just insane,
you know to like actually like havethat that moment, Like that's when it
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kind of got real for us,I'd say, like for me at least,
that's when, yeah, like it'sinteresting like before you got involved in
sort of being on set, likewhen you have got the chance to read
perhaps your script or your sides,did you kind of realize what the tone
of the show was going to be. Was that kind of clear to you
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maybe in the audition or was itvery much when you realize that, like,
oh, this has got quite aunique approach. Well at first,
like when I initially auditioned, Iwasn't too sure. I had like an
idea that was gonna be like adramatic comedy kind of thing, and I
wasn't super familiar with Nathan's work butonce I did kind of get a taste
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of like like his actual work,and I'm like, Okay, this is
gonna be an interesting project. Likeit's gonna be it's gonna be some out
of the box. It's definitely gonnabe out of the box for sure.
With you one of those guys likediving into like YouTube watching classic Nathan for
you style clips, thinking what haveI let myself in for here? Yeah
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exactly, yeah, yeah, andI'm just like, oh wow, yeah,
this is this is gonna be interesting. We learned from when we were
chatting with Samanth Ashley that people weretended to be kind of booked in for
say blocks of the show, likeyou appear in the middle of the show.
When what was it like to walkinto kind of this show that was
already up and running by that point. It was it was kind of like,
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uh, well, I just haveto say, you know, like
that for me, there was alot of nerves involved. So so I
like, like, this was definitelythis was the biggest project that I had
worked on to date, So likecoming into a project of this magnitude,
you know, I'm just like tryingto trying to stay stay focused, you
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know, like like I want toimpress people, I also don't want to
make a fool of myself. Youknow. I'm just like like like just
dealing with a lot of emotion,you know, and like and like,
I guess I kind of just satback and watched. I just know everybody's
like working and moving, you know, like and in their flow already by
that time, So I just Ijust kind of kind of stayed, uh,
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just just kind of stayed in myspace, you know, to to
be able to observe and just uhkind of get a handle for what's what
what the what the tone of theshow is, you know, and like,
yeah, it's an interesting show becauselike there's almost a kind of naturalism.
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Then there's a very off kilter vibethat I can imagine for actors could
be could be challenging. How didyou approach the aspect of the performance,
because your character really stands out oflike he's someone that brings a real tone
of enthusiasm, even of quite abit self aware enthusiasm for like this house
and the warmth, and it makeshim stand out, Like how do you
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approach such a it's not a normalor natural tone but something quite unique.
Yeah, no, it was.It was super unique, and it was
like it was like I definitely hadsome difficulty navigating, you know, like
some of the scenes, just likeknowing like what what to even be doing.
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You know, like like at certainpoints, you know, when we're
when we're filming a show within ashow, it's like it's like, Okay,
are we rolling? Are we cut? Are we like? And then
it's it's just like and I'm justlike, okay, just stay in it
kind of and just just do dowhat I do. You know. Also,
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this was a little different from anyof the other roles I've played,
you know, because most of theother roles I've been casted in are like
trollos, gangsters, you know,like those type of roles, and now
I'm like playing like a regular youknow, regular guy, you know,
like with the fiance and just youknow, uh yeah, So it was
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it was it was an interesting,uh to navigate you know, the uh
the film in India, I gettinginto it talking of singing, like like
so much of the show there wassurprising twists and turns that come out of
nowhere. One of those great momentswhere when I was rewatching it the other
day, is the moment where yourcharacter just like he's been viewing this house
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and then just like spontaneously for sinto song. Was that always in the
script or as you mentioned, you'rea bit of a performer singer with it.
Was that something where they were like, yeah, let's go with that,
let's get this involved. What wasthe origin of that bit or was
that always expected of you? Well? Okay, so so uh full disclosure,
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I had no idea they were goingto actually have me sing in the
show. I did my audition inthe audition process, and then part of
the audition they asked if I hadany special talents or skills, you know.
So I sang a little piece ofthis stand by Me song and and
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then that was it, you know. I But we ended up going through
we didn't really talk much about thesinging or anything else. We didn't really
talk at all about the singing upuntil we're doing the scene where we're walking
into the into the house, walkingthrough the house, and we did it
about like three or four times,and then out of nowhere, Uh,
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Nathan comes in and talks to me. I believe it's Nathan, Yeah,
and he comes in and talks tome. He's like, Okay, look,
that was great. We love that. Okay, we want you to
do the exact same thing, butright after we want you to just start
singing. And I was like,uh okay, Like I had no idea,
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and I guess supposedly they they theyhad wanted to keep it a secret
from me. They didn't want becausethey wanted that that authenticity of being caught
off guard, you know, andlike just being on the spot with it.
And I think that scene turned outbeautiful, beautifully. It was.
It was super like it's it's righton brand. You know. It was
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right on brand for uh, forfor the for the movie, for for
all of like I uh Nathan's otherprojects. You know, it was it
was like, uh, it wasjust right on target. I feel like
you talk Darilier on about like you'veappeared in things where it's like action gangs,
et cetera. Did you ever imaginethat one of your best ever scenes
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would be you talking about recycled paintLike it is one of the funniest bits
where it's like they're watching this runthrough of the show and it's like your
character spending like two minutes literally talkingabout paint and drying. It's like a
mixture of boring, cringey comical,like like what talk us through that?
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Like that was just brilliant. Yeah, yeah, that was literally like like
that was that was something that likein hindsight, like I would think back
and be like, man, likethe whole process of it, Like you
would think, like, wow,that that that would be a difficult thing
to accomplish, you know, becauseof how it was because we had the
original script of what we were supposedto do obviously, and then uh we
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did it and ran it through afew times and it was nice. And
then we got to the point whereNathan just started firing like paragraphs at me,
you know, like like and Ijust like taking them in and like
repeating them back, like you know, just going off like and memorizing like
all this like on the fly,you know, and just doing it.
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And you would think like, man, like, how the hell am I
supposed to memorize so much dialogue insuch a little bit of time and just
feed it right back to the cameras. But we got into like this little
flow where he was just feeding meand I was just shooting it right back
and uh just engaging with uh ohmy uh my fiance and Uh, yeah,
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it was. It was. Itwas a really nice scene to shoot,
Like, I really enjoyed it alot for sure. Kind of sums
up why your character is unique andthese like ten episodes, there's something about
everyone where you're like, I don'tknow what their motives are, Like what
are they up to? That person? There's something off with them, whereas
you're just like this guy that's you'regetting your hundred bucks or whatever to com
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pretend to your house. You're beingreally helpful, agreeable, like there's nothing
where you like you go, Iget that guy and he feels like,
you know, despite his oddness,there's something about him where you're like,
it's a relief to maybe have someonelike him where I'm not stressed in his
company may be embarrassed, but I'mnot stressed. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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that's true because I definitely feel likeyou do get that feeling of stress
from a lot of scenes in themovie too. It's like what's happening?
You know, Like you mentioned obviouslyyou've got your You've got screenwife within a
screenwife in this as well, playedby Aliah Lee, who played Janie.
What was it like to create thatfake relationship with I suppose I meta fake
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relationship. Yeah, yeah, youknow what it was. It was.
It was really great actually working withAleah. She was she was super uh
super helpful, super uh super sweet, and uh just working with her was
was really amazing actually because like Isaid, I I was super new to
being on the project like of thismagnitude, and like I said, I
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had a lot of nerves coming in. And she's had she's had a good
amount of experience in the in thefilm industry as far as uh making her
own films, you know, actingand doing her own thing, and and
she she had she had a comfortabilityabout her that was uh comforting to me,
you know, being somebody that thatcomes in because like like I said,
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like like I have, I havea lot of nerves. You know,
I obviously come from a really differentbackground, uh as far as life
goes, and I always get nervous, you know, coming into certain situations,
situations like this, you know,because like I feel, you know,
like the nervousness like somebody might judgeme, you know, or or
or or or or not not notwant to be around me. You know.
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I've always had like this underlying fearof like people would be afraid of
me if they knew who I wasor stuff like that, you know.
And she was really really sweet andreally caring and and and just comfortable to
work with. We had some reallygreat talks and uh yeah, like like
she she helped uh uh move usinto a space of comfortability so we can
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get these scenes done, you know. And obviously I've never done any scene
where I had a counterpart that wasyou know, like a love interest,
so so it was, uh,she was just great. Yeah. Does
being in something like The Curse withlike the caliber of cast that you're you're
alongside, you know, equals andso on, does that give you confidence?
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And does that kind of help buildthat kind of trusting yourself and and
kind of the industry you're kind oftaking these big steps into. Uh,
it definitely does. You know.It's definitely a confidence boost, you know
to uh to sit and be ableto say like, yes, these are
these are my co stars, youknow. And that was a big thing,
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you know, when I got castin my first film actually uh or
Chatta with Oat Milk, I foundmyself on set like feeling inadequate, you
know, feeling unequal you know,and feeling like man like like like these
guys, like they they casted alot of really big social media personalities,
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you know that are like kind oflike larger than life, you know,
and they're in there, uh,in their presentation of themselves, and I'm
like, I'm like, man,just like how am I find myself?
Like how am I even supposed tolike add a stack stack up against these
these these people, you know,and or stack up with them? And
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like somebody one of the one ofthe directors on set just told me,
like, no, you're you're herefor a reason, you know, and
you're you're, you're, you're,you're just as big a part of this
movie as anybody else, you know, And you guys are all equals.
You guys all god cast in thismovie. You know. You guys all
auditioned and you all got cast andand and No. It's just a beautiful
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thing to be able to take that, take something like that and move forward
with it through my next product,through all my all my new projects that
I do, you know. AndI've kind of like had to sit with
myself and just remember that, youknow, like when I'm like working,
but I'm sitting there in front ofthe camera, like looking at Nathan Fielder
at Emma Stode getting ready to beldin the song, you know, and
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I'm like like, okay, youknow, like I auditioned for this,
you know, and I did this. Yeah yeah, and you find like
you've earned it. It's not justsay an audition process. There's so much
that goes in before even get likesome people just struggle to even get in
front of a zoom call with aNathan Fielder and to do that, and
then you go beyond that where you'relike, like a week ago, Amma
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Stone won an oscar and there youare holding your own in scenes and people
are it's not just oh ammastone andit's Emma Stone and you as well,
like you really are like see partnersas well, Like you've had to do
so much to get get there.Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's
it's definitely. It's just mind blowingto me. You know, like that
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a guy like me, you knowthat that pretty much grew up and was
raised in the prison system, youknow, could come home, you know,
and and and and build this careeryou know, where I'm standing and
working alongside as equals, you know, with these such amazing people that have
been uh so inspiring to me,you know, to watch you know,
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throughout my life. You know,it's it's just been Uh, it's it
blows my mind. Like obviously youshare a lot of scenes with with Emma
Stone and Nathan Fielders their characters andWhitney and ash as they make this fake
TV show? What did you sortof make because of the dynamic between the
two, Like watching this kind ofyou have a quite a nice reallylationship you
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and your fiance. Theirs is alittle less. So what was it like
to to observe their performances? Uh? Oh man, just observing their performances
was like just it was amazing tome, Like I couldn't, Like I
said, it was it was sucha weird, like an interesting dynamic you
know, with the with the wayit was being shot. You know.
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Also, so that definitely played afactor into like seeing like like watching watching
them work, It's like it washard for me to tell when they were
on and when they were off,you know, and and like I think
that just speaks volumes to their professionalismas actors. You know that It's like
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like that I couldn't I couldn't eventell if they were out of character or
not. You know, and likesome days, some days they would be
a little more bubbly, a littlemore lighthearted, you know, and like
and like I feel like that wasthe days that caused for like called for
the scenes to be a little bitmore playful. And then there's the days
that they seemed a little bit moreon edge, you know, where they're
kind of like just like you know, like, oh man, they're like
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in it, you know, andit's it's just it was just amazing to
watch, you know, and thenwatch them work together. Uh is just
man, it's just just incredible.Yeah. What were some of your maybe
favorite scenes to shoot our days onset for for yourself? Uh? I
would I would have to say definitelydefinitely the singing scene because for what I
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love to sing and just to beable to do that, you know,
like like that's a that's like athing, you know, like like that
like people like me and my myfriends and everybody are all like oh yeah,
like no, like like yeah,my my friends sang for Amazone and
the Field her you know, likelike and that's that that was always kind
of like like like I love singing, you know, in prison, I
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used to sing for like my myboys, in there and like I would
do like late nights and like,so singing has been a really special thing
to me. And to be ableto showcase that and sing with alongside these
uh such amazing actors and and andand do that in on such an amazing
project and to have a showcased onshowtime that was just like, uh,
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that's definitely a highlight. And thenobviously the paint scene was like it just
it was it was amazing just todo that scene. You know. Also,
yeah, what can you tell usabout sort of Nathan Fielders like directing
style, Like what's it like toobviously you're shooting a show within a show
in particular for your character. Whatwas he kind of like as a director
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for you? You know what hewas He seemed very much in character most
of the time. So yeah,like if if he was giving actual direction
or if he was giving a showdirection like for for like, I couldn't
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really tell you know, and thatand and that that Like I said that
again, that speaks volumes to hishis uh his talent you know as an
artist. Uh yeah, but hewas he was in it, you know
when he was but he was stilllike had that very very assure quality to
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to everything that he did, youknow, like when he was directing for
sure. When did you get tosee the show for the first time and
what was your reaction to it,because obviously we've parted from people like you'll
get to see bits and pieces goingon and it's shot all of order.
What was it like to finally seeit all brought together? It was it
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was definitely, Uh, it wasamazing. We actually did a like a
mini screening within uh, within ourteam. We we all came together and
we watched it on on the firstepisode at least on the on the projector
at the office, and uh,it was super dope because we've seen we
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got to see my homie, Chriscal I'm forgetting the character and that was
what I was going to touch onI originally, uh I I auditioned for
his character. He is the onethat worked st behind the kind of it
was like, worked at the kindof coffee shop and then has the gun
the whole time. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Oh
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brilliant. He was fantastic. Yes, I'd love to him, yes,
yes, reach out to him forsure, Yeah, because he's definitely incredible
at what he does. But wehad originally auditioned, like all of us
had got the audition for that characterthat he plays, and I had originally
auditioned for that, and they werelike, Okay, we really like you,
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but we would like you to auditionfor a different character. And that
was kind of like my callback.And when I got the audition the sides
for Pascal and uh them, everything went from there. But uh yeah,
we were we sat down and wewatched it together and in first opening
scene you see him, you know, like it's like the first shot,
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and I was just like incredible tosee, you know, like somebody you
know from our team that is openingthe show, you know, is is
is? It was. It wasjust amazing. And then like just watching
the show as it unfolded, youknow and like getting into it is just
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like like man, like where isthis ship going? Yeah, like rolling
into it, you know, likewatching it and like seeing how it builds
up into to to when I finally, uh make my entrance. It's just
uh, it was, it was. It was insane. And then like
I see, like I get tosee my scenes where like we we just
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go through that whole process and thenit's it's just like incredible to see it
all put together. It was justYeah, it was it was just And
what was kind of the reaction fromyour friends, family, peers to to
your your performance. Oh, everybodyis so so excited, you know,
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everybody that uh that that were uh, that that knows the work that I
do. You know that that hasbeen watching me from uh you know since
I come home, you know,from prison. You know, like I
even have guys you know that Iwas in prison with that are out now
too, and they're like seeing thesethings like dang, like that's the how
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we right there, you know,like on TV, you know, like
they'll be knocking on people going thatguy sung for me in prison, Like
that guy there. You hear somany stories about how for folk when they
like leave prison prison, it canbe so easy to fall back into the
prison system as well, and supposeto such a great example of someone that
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can go from something so difficult tolike achieving the Hollywood dream and so on
as well. Yeah, yeah,no, it's it's it's definitely, it's
it's been a journey for sure,you know. Uh, yeah, you
know, go it goes from likelike living living living that life you know
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for so long and like even eveneven like when you're doing that much time,
you know, you get to acertain point, at least for me,
you know, I got to acertain point where I felt like I
wasn't really sure if I was evergoing to come home, you know,
because so much things go on inthere, you know, where there's you
know, people die in there,you know, like like stuff happens and
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it gets uh, it's crazy,you know, and and and you have
to you have to become accustomed tothat lifestyle, and you have to get
comfortable in it because that literally that'sthat was my life, you know,
as was being being surrounded by thatchaos. And just the only way you
can you can survive and remain saneis by is by finding a level of
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comfortability with it. And then tocome home and and and discover an entirely
new challenge you know, and andand and pursuing a career that I know
nothing about. Is is is uhchallenging too, you know, like you
think and then you think coming homefrom all that, like you're like,
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man, the worst is over,you know, everything is over, you
know, like the hard times areover. But like and uh, and
and in reality, that's not alwaysthe case, you know, like there's
still difficulties out here that that weall deal with as normal people that haven't
been to prison or or lived anykind of like that. Like just like
I'm sure you have had difficult timesin your life, just like any other
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human being. And I think Iwas kind of clouded by the by the
by the the joy I was feelingof coming in, you know, like
uh, coming home, and thenI dive right into an industry that's like
like just rejection after rejection after rejection, you know, and it's like and
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I think that's that's the what I'velearned in this industry is that like the
people that are make that are gonnamake it are the ones that have the
thickest skin and the ones that canhang on the longest, you know,
because because like, yeah, it'sa lot of hard work, and it's
a lot of dedication and and andand putting everything you have into it.
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But it's also all of that andthen being told no, you know,
so like you you can put allthis work in, you can do everything
you have and everything in your powerto get done what you need to get
done, and hours and hours andhours of auditioning and then then just be
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like nope, and then you justhave to be like fuck does yourself love
and then do it again. It'sexciting to think that these are the strikes
you mede in just a few years, and where it's going to be in
another five and another ten. You'vemade such an exciting start. Yeah,
yeah, no, I'm I'm definitelyuh. I'm really excited for where where
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things are going as far as uh, as far as my career and just
just working towards goals and just pursuingthings. I'm super excited too. I
actually started my own company recently,and I'm like looking to to to get
to a space where I can likeI'm already. I feel like I'm already
in a space where I'll be ableto be a creator and an artist for
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the rest of my life. Butto be able to to be able to
open like the company I started,I would like to open doors for other
people, you know, to beable to create and be able to pursue
artist's career, you know. Andthat's the way to do it sometimes,
isn't it. You have it somany times, but people make it,
but they forget that other people wantto make it as well. And you
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know, it sounds like you knowfrom your agent and others around you,
they've given you that helping hand andyou want to pass that on as well.
And that's something that's that's so powerfuland something we should should do regardless
of our careers. Yeah, certainly, certainly. Yeah, And and like
especially for people like me too,you know, like there's so many guys
that come home and are like likelike I had I even had one one
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of my homeboys that came home wegot out around the same time. And
he's like one of the one ofthe guys that are like tattoos all over
their face, you know, liketattoos everywhere, and like like gang life
and like like like like living inthat lifestyle as all they really really know,
Like and I just in and outof prison like over and over again,
their whole lives. And I remembersitting with him and talking to him,
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and he would just have this sadlook and we're free, and he
would have this sad look on hisface and he would just tell me like
man, bro, like like Idon't know what it is, you know,
like I just I missed the homies, you know, and I would
just be like like damn, likemy boy, like like we're out here
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for them, you know, andhe just couldn't. There's so many people
that have that reaction, isn't itwhere they feel like I had a community
there, I had the friends,I had, you know, a dependable
life and so and like as youtouched on, there's so many difficulties in
the outside world. But sometimes yougo, you know what, I got
my three meals a day, youknow, at a company and all that
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sort of stuff, and you cansee why people would feel like they want
to go back into that world.Yeah. Yeah, and like like coming
home, like for somebody like meat least that was that went in as
a child. There's so much tolearn, you know, Like I had
I had to learn I came home, I had to learn how to drive
a car, I had to learnhow to do my taxes. I had
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to learn how to have work aregular job. You know. There's so
many things that we have to learn, and there's so many things that can
discourage us, you know, butthe reality of of of this world that
we live in is is we wewe literally live in the land of opportunity,
you know, and there's there's there'sas much as much as there are
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companies that will be like, no, I don't want to hire you because
you're a felon. There are thereare just as many people that will hire
you, but you just have toweep through them, and you have to
be consistent. You have to beable to not give up on yourself.
I've been super blessed, you know, coming home just to be uh in
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uh in the company of some amazingpeople, you know, that that do
this work. When I first camehome, like I I, I was
involved with the with a man thatstarted a nonprofit organization that is pretty much
centered on on stopping the the thecycle of coming and going from in and
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out of prison. You know,it's called ARC. It's the Anti Recidivism
Coalition. So he started that andthe guy the founder of ARC is actually
this is also a little bit ofuh, you know what what got me
uh pushed me in the direction offilm too, because the guy that started
at the founder of ARC is actuallythe director of the Hangover movies. His
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name is Scott. But yeah,he's amazing gentleman and super inspirational in my
life just uh seeing everything that he'sdone in the industry. And he and
that he's done for people like mehas just been inspiring. But yeah,
like but like there's the the ARCSand then there's like Homeboy Industries with father
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Greg Boyle. I don't know ifyou've heard of them, but they've been
super impactful out here in in inl A. Just with with giving people
second chances, you know, andthen and then meeting Bernice, you know
that UH got me into into theon camera side. I also, through
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ARC I actually started out Okay,so before I became UH, I started
doing my acting work, I wasworking on the production side, and through
ARC, I met UH and Igot linked up with another organization that was
founded by I believe, Dan severand he UH. The organization is called
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Manifest Works and it's literally where likethey give you a full course, you
know, on how to be aproduction assistant and how to conduct yourself on
set. And so I went throughthis course, you know, learning how
to be like the best PA inthe game and learned everything about being on
set and then worked my way intoa career of that you know and like
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and like building and like I foundmyself on all kinds of sets, you
know, working like I saw likeeven when I when I did SWAT for
background. I was I was ableto network myself into a position as a
production assistant after being a background onSWAT. Yeah, so like those were
some of my That was one ofThat was my first big show that I
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had a lot of involvement with beingbackground and being a production assistant on.
So I was just in that environmentfor a long time. It's incredible.
So it sounds like there's a lotof exciting kind of projects on the horizon,
Like where's the best place to kindof stay up to date with like
your your kind of stories and experiences. There are films to come. I
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have my Instagram accounts is where Ipost mostly everything. I try to do
everything on social media, which I'veyou know, been learned to manage a
lot more. Yeah, I supposethat you must have missed so much of
kind of the advancements of social mediain that time. I suppose Facebook must
have just been kind of coming onjust as as you kind of were enforcing
incarcerated you know what. I actuallyI heard about I think I the first
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time I heard about Facebook was probablythrough the Facebook movie. Uh uh,
And I didn't know anything about it. I did have a MySpace before I
got arrested. But yeah, youknow, like I always joke, you
know, because it's like like,oh yeah, before I went to prison,
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I had a flip phone and aMySpace and now I have a computer
on my wrist, you know,like it's just it's crazy to me.
But yeah, we do everything mostlywith my team, you know, like
I've had I've had to learn socialmedia because we do everything. A lot
of our communication through through Instagram.But yeah, you guys they can follow
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me on Instagram. Uh my Uh, my main account is great Underscore Alex
Underscore nine and that's where I postlike all my film stuff everything. And
then I have my my business accountalso if you guys want to know about
the brand or anything like that,uh give us. Hey, here's a
good chance for a shameless plug.Tell us about your brand. Oh yeah,
(45:22):
bro, shambless plug. I wouldlove to bro because, uh,
this is this is actually this ismy baby, uh and it means so
much to me. I I Istarted the company going that's entertainment because for
me, I I I I hadto find ways to cope when I was
in prison. You know, alot of a lot of things going through
(45:45):
your head, your mind's running athousand miles an hour because you're literally sitting
in a cell with nothing to dobut think. You know. So I
used art to escape that, youknow. And I used I used writing
music, I used drawing, youknow, and and and and any any
other form of that I could tokind of get through that, you know.
And like with the company, I'mtrying to promote, like, uh,
(46:07):
the use of the artistic expression tocope with uh uh uh our our
our our our mental mishaps, youknow, like we bea anxiety depression you
know, like you know, likeI I've had dealings like with with suicidal
thoughts, you know, and stufflike that, and you know, like
the goal is to end up uhuh being able to create a space for
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those for people that are dealing withthings like this to come and and create
and kind of get out of theirown heads, you know. And and
and the thing is that we're allkind of going nuts, you know,
in some way or another. We'reall, like I believe, we're all
just a bunch of peanuts that couldcrack at any moment, you know,
like there's one wrong thing, onething to go wrong, you know,
(46:53):
and then we're we're flying off thehandles. But but that's that's kind of
like the dream and the vision andand and uh I intend on uh creating
these spaces, you know, toto help people all over the world one
day and where can people find that? That again that your company, uh
so I have I have the theInstagram obviously is going Nuts Entertainment. And
(47:17):
then we have a website up andI have a little like a bio and
mission statement set up and where peoplecan look at things and learn a little
bit about the company. It's goingNuts Entertainment dot com. And uh yeah,
you know we have we have somebig things in the works and where
where we're planning some uh some reallyamazing projects. Well, thank you,
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thank you so much for for joining. It's been a real pleasure to talk
about your your career so far,and like it's the antithesis of what we
want to do with this podcast.That you know, it's so easy to
think of like the people like AmastonianFielder, but there's so many people in
these kind of projects, like yourself, that have maybe these smaller rooms,
but just brilliant stories to to shareas well. And it's great to have
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book like you on and give thema platform for an irate to talk.
Oh yeah, thank you so much, my brother. It was it's uh,
you've been a delight to talk to. I was super excited when you
guys reached out and I was like, man, I'd love to sit and
be able to share about the aboutthe curse. You know. It's it
was. It was really a definingmoment in my career that uh just just
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the next level type type deal forme. And I'm so excited and grateful
that you uh brought me on totalk about it. Brother, I appreciate you
Welcome to the nerd Party. Hello, and welcome to the A twenty four
project. Here in the Nerd PartyNetwork, my name is Lee Hutchinson and
Dallas King and I make our waythrough the A twenty four filmography and along
the way bring you interviews with thetalent involved in front of and behind the
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camera. This week, we're thrilledto welcome Alexander Gibson, known for his
unforgettable appearance in the acclaimed show TheCurse, starring alongside Emma Stone, Nathan
Fielder, and Benny Safte. Alexanderportrays Pascal, a native of Espanola who
has roped into the filming of FlipLanthropy as a fake buyer for a passive
living home. Jonas is Alexander Shares'compelling journey from his time in prison to
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his breakout role in The Curse.Thanks so much to Alexander for joining me
and sharing his amazing journey with us, and hope you too will enjoy this
interview. One initially ignited your passionfor acting and how have you turned that
into a career? So acting wasnever like really a main goal for me,
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Like I didn't really have like likemy eyes dead set on acting,
but I kind of always had thislike feeling that I was I wanted to
entertain I wanted to be an entertainer, So I sang a lot growing up,
and I always like had this visionthat I was going to be a
big singer, you know, superstarkind of thing. And then I kind
of just fell into the acting worldand it just kind of started like,
(01:34):
you know, snowballing into a littlemore, a little more and a little
more, and then you know,next thing, you know, I find
myself on The Curse and you know, finding myself working with you know,
all these amazing projects, and it'sit just kind of happened. Yeah,
it will definitely be touching on singinglater on. You you've mentioned obviously you've
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kind of The Curse wasn't your firstshow. But what would you kind of
recommend people that just discover you inThe Curse to check out who? Well,
let's see, I have a coupleof projects that I've worked on.
Mostly the stuff that's out right nowis mostly all background works. You'd see
me, like, you know,catch little snippets of me. You can
see me on Hulu on this pool, you can see me in American Jigglow
(02:24):
with the was starring John Bernthal,just you know, as one of the
prisoners. And what else have Idone. I've done a few music video
That did a blue Face music videothat was actually one of my first first
gigs. But I also have twofeature films that are in the work,
actually three feature films that are inthe works now. I have one feature
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film that's a comedy called Porchata withOat Milk that's in post production. Should
be coming out hopefully this year,but you never know what public production posts
and stuff. You know, itcould be this year, it could be
two years from now. But soI have I have that that film called
Horchata with Oat Milk was like acomedy, and we did another film called
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Die Like a Man that was abit more on the drama side. Uh
where where I play Oh yeah sorry, and Horchata with Oat Milk. I
play a character named Vogo. Youknow, it's kind of like a wild,
kind of crazy guy, you know, just out of this world.
And then I play a character inUH Die Like a Man named Boom Boom.
He's like one of the you know, like gangsters. It's like just
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with UH with the squad that's youknow, like like I said, that
film is a little bit more onthe drama side, and that was really
amazing project to work on. Anduh, just recently, my most recent
project I just got back from SanFrancisco was filming out there for four weeks.
We did a feature film called SplashCity and it's like based on the
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culture out there called bipping. It'slike a bipping culture, whether it's like
smashing grabs, you know, peoplemore more known probably by and it's really
big out there. It's like ait's like a huge thing where it's like
come a big problem in their community. So they decided to make a film
on it, you know, whereit's like a modern night more crime family.
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Yeah. I I bled supporting rolein that. You know. We
did that film and uh yeah,now I'm just I'm just uh, you
know, like hanging out waiting forthat. For the next project, I
got picked up to do a shortfilm that was supposed to shoot last Wednesday
and they did just got pushed toApril. So that's what we're working on
right now. Yea is it iskind of the career getting back on track
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after the sag after strikes and soon. Has it been a bit of
a slow process of kind of theindustry getting back into the swing of things.
Uh, definitely, definitely, itwas. It was I wouldn't say
a slow process getting back, butit was. It was. It was.
It was very slow during you know, it was it was like you
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know of like dragging dragging through thethrough the strike, like gang, what's
gonna happen? You know, likeyou know, we don't we don't really
know, you know, how thosethings are gonna go sometimes, like it's
my first time. Uh like II actually the Curse is what got me,
uh flipped to SAG. So soI was, I'm pretty new to
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joining the SAG outfrom being union andas soon as I get on this big
union project and I'm union, shortlyafter, we go into these huge like
historical strike. You know, it'skind of story of my life type stuff.
But I'm like, hey, andthen uh but but once once the
strike lifted, we we were justlike it was like running and gunning.
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I feel like like we bounced rightback into it. Brilliant. So,
talking to the Curse, when didyou first hear about this opportunity? I
had heard about it through my manager. Actually she got the the audition,
uh, and put it out tothe team. We have a team called
from the Streets. I've been withmy manager and she uh as as as
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a group of us that she shemanages. So she sends out these auditions.
When she gets them, she'll sendthem to the whole team or anybody
that seems fit for it. AndI I auditioned, and and I don't
want to get ahead of myself becauseI know some of your questions, but
uh, yeah I auditioned. Theyended up liking me, and I get
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I got a callback, and yeah, I found out through her and she
just pushed it out to all ofus. Sounds like an interesting kind of
agency and all that sort of stuffwas Did you say it was from the
sort of streets to the sets?Did you say, yes, she is,
yeah, yeah, yeah, Sohow does that kind of work?
Is that sort of looking for itfor talent that might be not be well
represented or how how does that kindof work? Yeah? Yeah, so
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so the the so it's the basisis from the streets to set, the
actual company as you are a underrepresentedartists and but yeah, we started as
from the streets to set and uh, it's literally as it sounds, you
know, taking people that come fromthe street life or come from that that
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sort of rougher background, and andputting them in situations when they can where
they can make a living, youknow, like on sets, you know,
and like and like work our waysup. Like I started, I
started with her on background. Ihad a little bit about me and a
little bit about my background. Iwas actually uh in prison for quite a
while. So I got arrested asa juvenile and I was tried as an
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adult. I got arrested when Iwas sixteen years old, and I went
to prison for eleven years. Camehome, and I knew that I wanted
to entertain and get into the entertainmentbusiness somehow, and I started as a
production assistant. And then I endedup meeting somebody or I met somebody and
then followed him on Facebook. Andthen shortly after that, I see him
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put a post on Facebook that said, Hey, is anybody interested in being
like background on a TV show?This and that? And I was like,
hey, what's up? Hit himup. He sent me an email
which happened to be Bernice's email.I said, send her an email and
see if she needs any extra hands. Emailed her. She emailed me right
back and was like, hey,send me a couple of pictures and like
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a tank top and like you know, like if you have tattoos, show
them and stuff like that. AndI was like, cool, I sent
him some pictures. She was like, you're perfect. Next thing, you
know, I found myself on theset of SWAT on CBS and some more
and more and all of them,and I like, we're doing this big,
like crazy like fight, like likebrawl scene with the SWAT team and
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an alley like a mob of likegangster types, and that was pretty much
the beginning of my acting career.Was that quite surreal almost to go from
I can imagine like for such along stretch time in prison and probably quite
a lot of dark days to thenhave a moment like this where you are
like, could you ever ever imaginedthat you'd be there on the set of
this like huge TV show and kindof you know, a real kind of
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wow, like this is amazing.Almost Yeah. No. There's like like
throughout throughout my career, you know, and even to this day, I
still get these moments, these flashesof like oh my gosh, like I'm
really here, you know, likeI've even found myself on set, you
know, like what moments that justmoved me to tears, you know that,
like I'm so I'm so taken abackby I by the emotion that I
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have, you know, and thefeeling of just remembering where I was and
seeing where I am now. It'sjust it's just it's just been a roller
coaster of emotion, you know,incredible, Like it was interesting to me
like that one of the kind ofbest known sort of like casting directors,
Jennifer Vendetti, was kind of workingon on this show, and she's got
a real eye for for not noticingtime and like Safty Brothers films where there
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have been people where she's picked uppeople that maybe had prison experience or kind
of come from background street street actors, kind of social media. What was
it did you sort of interact withher sort of during your audition experience?
You know, what, if Ican be one hundred percent honest, Like
the whole audition like experience was kindof like a blur to me. It
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was just like, uh, youknow, like I had a lot of
anxiety going in and I was like, so I don't really remember too much
of it. And I even Ihave to confess, you know too,
that like I would like sitting talkingon a zoom call at one point to
Nathan Fielder, and I didn't evenrealize who I was talking to, you
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know, and I'm like, justit was just it was just a whirlwind
of you know, like a processfor sure. So I can't say that
I had any like notable interaction withanyone, you know, up to that
point. Was there a moment whenit clicked for you of like, you
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know, I suppose it was thatthis could be such a special project when
you think of like, oh,I'm talking to this guy and then you
realize, you know what his backgroundis. Then the same with like Safty
and then Amma Stone's moment. Wasthere a moment you realize this might be
a pretty special project that you've you'vekind of you're pulling the eye of the
tornado by the time you realize,yeah, definitely, Uh yeah. I
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was just like, like, becauseone of my other buddies from from the
Streets is Set also got cast ina film too, and that was really
kind of like amazing for us,you know, and we there was a
moment when we were having our likeregular team meeting for our monthly team meeting,
and then we're just hanging out andthen out of nowhere, like they
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bring out a cake. It sayslike, congratulations, we're getting cast in
on the Curse, you know,for me and the homie, and we're
just like damn, you know,like we're gonna be working with like some
real heavy hitters in this industry.Like this is like it's just insane,
you know to like actually like havethat that moment, Like that's when it
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kind of got real for us,I'd say, like for me at least,
that's when, yeah, like it'sinteresting like before you got involved in
sort of being on set, likewhen you have got the chance to read
perhaps your script or your sides,did you kind of realize what the tone
of the show was going to be. Was that kind of clear to you
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maybe in the audition or was itvery much when you realize that, like,
oh, this has got quite aunique approach. Well at first,
like when I initially auditioned, Iwasn't too sure. I had like an
idea that was gonna be like adramatic comedy kind of thing, and I
wasn't super familiar with Nathan's work butonce I did kind of get a taste
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of like like his actual work,and I'm like, Okay, this is
gonna be an interesting project. Likeit's gonna be it's gonna be some out
of the box. It's definitely gonnabe out of the box for sure.
With you one of those guys likediving into like YouTube watching classic Nathan for
you style clips, thinking what haveI let myself in for here? Yeah
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exactly, yeah, yeah, andI'm just like, oh wow, yeah,
this is this is gonna be interesting. We learned from when we were
chatting with Samanth Ashley that people weretended to be kind of booked in for
say blocks of the show, likeyou appear in the middle of the show.
When what was it like to walkinto kind of this show that was
already up and running by that point. It was it was kind of like,
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uh, well, I just haveto say, you know, like
that for me, there was alot of nerves involved. So so I
like, like, this was definitelythis was the biggest project that I had
worked on to date, So likecoming into a project of this magnitude,
you know, I'm just like tryingto trying to stay stay focused, you
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know, like like I want toimpress people, I also don't want to
make a fool of myself. Youknow. I'm just like like like just
dealing with a lot of emotion,you know, and like and like,
I guess I kind of just satback and watched. I just know everybody's
like working and moving, you know, like and in their flow already by
that time, So I just Ijust kind of kind of stayed, uh,
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just just kind of stayed in myspace, you know, to to
be able to observe and just uhkind of get a handle for what's what
what the what the tone of theshow is, you know, and like,
yeah, it's an interesting show becauselike there's almost a kind of naturalism.
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Then there's a very off kilter vibethat I can imagine for actors could
be could be challenging. How didyou approach the aspect of the performance,
because your character really stands out oflike he's someone that brings a real tone
of enthusiasm, even of quite abit self aware enthusiasm for like this house
and the warmth, and it makeshim stand out, Like how do you
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approach such a it's not a normalor natural tone but something quite unique.
Yeah, no, it was.It was super unique, and it was
like it was like I definitely hadsome difficulty navigating, you know, like
some of the scenes, just likeknowing like what what to even be doing.
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You know, like like at certainpoints, you know, when we're
when we're filming a show within ashow, it's like it's like, Okay,
are we rolling? Are we cut? Are we like? And then
it's it's just like and I'm justlike, okay, just stay in it
kind of and just just do dowhat I do. You know. Also,
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this was a little different from anyof the other roles I've played,
you know, because most of theother roles I've been casted in are like
trollos, gangsters, you know,like those type of roles, and now
I'm like playing like a regular youknow, regular guy, you know,
like with the fiance and just youknow, uh yeah, So it was
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it was it was an interesting,uh to navigate you know, the uh
the film in India, I gettinginto it talking of singing, like like
so much of the show there wassurprising twists and turns that come out of
nowhere. One of those great momentswhere when I was rewatching it the other
day, is the moment where yourcharacter just like he's been viewing this house
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and then just like spontaneously for sinto song. Was that always in the
script or as you mentioned, you'rea bit of a performer singer with it.
Was that something where they were like, yeah, let's go with that,
let's get this involved. What wasthe origin of that bit or was
that always expected of you? Well? Okay, so so uh full disclosure,
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I had no idea they were goingto actually have me sing in the
show. I did my audition inthe audition process, and then part of
the audition they asked if I hadany special talents or skills, you know.
So I sang a little piece ofthis stand by Me song and and
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then that was it, you know. I But we ended up going through
we didn't really talk much about thesinging or anything else. We didn't really
talk at all about the singing upuntil we're doing the scene where we're walking
into the into the house, walkingthrough the house, and we did it
about like three or four times,and then out of nowhere, Uh,
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Nathan comes in and talks to me. I believe it's Nathan, Yeah,
and he comes in and talks tome. He's like, Okay, look,
that was great. We love that. Okay, we want you to
do the exact same thing, butright after we want you to just start
singing. And I was like,uh okay, Like I had no idea,
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and I guess supposedly they they theyhad wanted to keep it a secret
from me. They didn't want becausethey wanted that that authenticity of being caught
off guard, you know, andlike just being on the spot with it.
And I think that scene turned outbeautiful, beautifully. It was.
It was super like it's it's righton brand. You know. It was
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right on brand for uh, forfor the for the movie, for for
all of like I uh Nathan's otherprojects. You know, it was it
was like, uh, it wasjust right on target. I feel like
you talk Darilier on about like you'veappeared in things where it's like action gangs,
et cetera. Did you ever imaginethat one of your best ever scenes
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would be you talking about recycled paintLike it is one of the funniest bits
where it's like they're watching this runthrough of the show and it's like your
character spending like two minutes literally talkingabout paint and drying. It's like a
mixture of boring, cringey comical,like like what talk us through that?
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Like that was just brilliant. Yeah, yeah, that was literally like like
that was that was something that likein hindsight, like I would think back
and be like, man, likethe whole process of it, Like you
would think, like, wow,that that that would be a difficult thing
to accomplish, you know, becauseof how it was because we had the
original script of what we were supposedto do obviously, and then uh we
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did it and ran it through afew times and it was nice. And
then we got to the point whereNathan just started firing like paragraphs at me,
you know, like like and Ijust like taking them in and like
repeating them back, like you know, just going off like and memorizing like
all this like on the fly,you know, and just doing it.
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And you would think like, man, like, how the hell am I
supposed to memorize so much dialogue insuch a little bit of time and just
feed it right back to the cameras. But we got into like this little
flow where he was just feeding meand I was just shooting it right back
and uh just engaging with uh ohmy uh my fiance and Uh, yeah,
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it was. It was. Itwas a really nice scene to shoot,
Like, I really enjoyed it alot for sure. Kind of sums
up why your character is unique andthese like ten episodes, there's something about
everyone where you're like, I don'tknow what their motives are, Like what
are they up to? That person? There's something off with them, whereas
you're just like this guy that's you'regetting your hundred bucks or whatever to com
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pretend to your house. You're beingreally helpful, agreeable, like there's nothing
where you like you go, Iget that guy and he feels like,
you know, despite his oddness,there's something about him where you're like,
it's a relief to maybe have someonelike him where I'm not stressed in his
company may be embarrassed, but I'mnot stressed. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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that's true because I definitely feel likeyou do get that feeling of stress
from a lot of scenes in themovie too. It's like what's happening?
You know, Like you mentioned obviouslyyou've got your You've got screenwife within a
screenwife in this as well, playedby Aliah Lee, who played Janie.
What was it like to create thatfake relationship with I suppose I meta fake
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relationship. Yeah, yeah, youknow what it was. It was.
It was really great actually working withAleah. She was she was super uh
super helpful, super uh super sweet, and uh just working with her was
was really amazing actually because like Isaid, I I was super new to
being on the project like of thismagnitude, and like I said, I
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had a lot of nerves coming in. And she's had she's had a good
amount of experience in the in thefilm industry as far as uh making her
own films, you know, actingand doing her own thing, and and
she she had she had a comfortabilityabout her that was uh comforting to me,
you know, being somebody that thatcomes in because like like I said,
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like like I have, I havea lot of nerves. You know,
I obviously come from a really differentbackground, uh as far as life
goes, and I always get nervous, you know, coming into certain situations,
situations like this, you know,because like I feel, you know,
like the nervousness like somebody might judgeme, you know, or or
or or or or not not notwant to be around me. You know.
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I've always had like this underlying fearof like people would be afraid of
me if they knew who I wasor stuff like that, you know.
And she was really really sweet andreally caring and and and just comfortable to
work with. We had some reallygreat talks and uh yeah, like like
she she helped uh uh move usinto a space of comfortability so we can
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get these scenes done, you know. And obviously I've never done any scene
where I had a counterpart that wasyou know, like a love interest,
so so it was, uh,she was just great. Yeah. Does
being in something like The Curse withlike the caliber of cast that you're you're
alongside, you know, equals andso on, does that give you confidence?
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And does that kind of help buildthat kind of trusting yourself and and
kind of the industry you're kind oftaking these big steps into. Uh,
it definitely does. You know.It's definitely a confidence boost, you know
to uh to sit and be ableto say like, yes, these are
these are my co stars, youknow. And that was a big thing,
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you know, when I got castin my first film actually uh or
Chatta with Oat Milk, I foundmyself on set like feeling inadequate, you
know, feeling unequal you know,and feeling like man like like like these
guys, like they they casted alot of really big social media personalities,
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you know that are like kind oflike larger than life, you know,
and they're in there, uh,in their presentation of themselves, and I'm
like, I'm like, man,just like how am I find myself?
Like how am I even supposed tolike add a stack stack up against these
these these people, you know,and or stack up with them? And
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like somebody one of the one ofthe directors on set just told me,
like, no, you're you're herefor a reason, you know, and
you're you're, you're, you're,you're just as big a part of this
movie as anybody else, you know, And you guys are all equals.
You guys all god cast in thismovie. You know. You guys all
auditioned and you all got cast andand and No. It's just a beautiful
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thing to be able to take that, take something like that and move forward
with it through my next product,through all my all my new projects that
I do, you know. AndI've kind of like had to sit with
myself and just remember that, youknow, like when I'm like working,
but I'm sitting there in front ofthe camera, like looking at Nathan Fielder
at Emma Stode getting ready to beldin the song, you know, and
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I'm like like, okay, youknow, like I auditioned for this,
you know, and I did this. Yeah yeah, and you find like
you've earned it. It's not justsay an audition process. There's so much
that goes in before even get likesome people just struggle to even get in
front of a zoom call with aNathan Fielder and to do that, and
then you go beyond that where you'relike, like a week ago, Amma
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Stone won an oscar and there youare holding your own in scenes and people
are it's not just oh ammastone andit's Emma Stone and you as well,
like you really are like see partnersas well, Like you've had to do
so much to get get there.Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's
it's definitely. It's just mind blowingto me. You know, like that
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a guy like me, you knowthat that pretty much grew up and was
raised in the prison system, youknow, could come home, you know,
and and and and build this careeryou know, where I'm standing and
working alongside as equals, you know, with these such amazing people that have
been uh so inspiring to me,you know, to watch you know,
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throughout my life. You know,it's it's just been Uh, it's it
blows my mind. Like obviously youshare a lot of scenes with with Emma
Stone and Nathan Fielders their characters andWhitney and ash as they make this fake
TV show? What did you sortof make because of the dynamic between the
two, Like watching this kind ofyou have a quite a nice reallylationship you
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and your fiance. Theirs is alittle less. So what was it like
to to observe their performances? Uh? Oh man, just observing their performances
was like just it was amazing tome, Like I couldn't, Like I
said, it was it was sucha weird, like an interesting dynamic you
know, with the with the wayit was being shot. You know.
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Also, so that definitely played afactor into like seeing like like watching watching
them work, It's like it washard for me to tell when they were
on and when they were off,you know, and and like I think
that just speaks volumes to their professionalismas actors. You know that It's like
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like that I couldn't I couldn't eventell if they were out of character or
not. You know, and likesome days, some days they would be
a little more bubbly, a littlemore lighthearted, you know, and like
and like I feel like that wasthe days that caused for like called for
the scenes to be a little bitmore playful. And then there's the days
that they seemed a little bit moreon edge, you know, where they're
kind of like just like you know, like, oh man, they're like
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in it, you know, andit's it's just it was just amazing to
watch, you know, and thenwatch them work together. Uh is just
man, it's just just incredible.Yeah. What were some of your maybe
favorite scenes to shoot our days onset for for yourself? Uh? I
would I would have to say definitelydefinitely the singing scene because for what I
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love to sing and just to beable to do that, you know,
like like that's a that's like athing, you know, like like that
like people like me and my myfriends and everybody are all like oh yeah,
like no, like like yeah,my my friends sang for Amazone and
the Field her you know, likelike and that's that that was always kind
of like like like I love singing, you know, in prison, I
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used to sing for like my myboys, in there and like I would
do like late nights and like,so singing has been a really special thing
to me. And to be ableto showcase that and sing with alongside these
uh such amazing actors and and andand do that in on such an amazing
project and to have a showcased onshowtime that was just like, uh,
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that's definitely a highlight. And thenobviously the paint scene was like it just
it was it was amazing just todo that scene. You know. Also,
yeah, what can you tell usabout sort of Nathan Fielders like directing
style, Like what's it like toobviously you're shooting a show within a show
in particular for your character. Whatwas he kind of like as a director
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for you? You know what hewas He seemed very much in character most
of the time. So yeah,like if if he was giving actual direction
or if he was giving a showdirection like for for like, I couldn't
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really tell you know, and thatand and that that Like I said that
again, that speaks volumes to hishis uh his talent you know as an
artist. Uh yeah, but hewas he was in it, you know
when he was but he was stilllike had that very very assure quality to
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to everything that he did, youknow, like when he was directing for
sure. When did you get tosee the show for the first time and
what was your reaction to it,because obviously we've parted from people like you'll
get to see bits and pieces goingon and it's shot all of order.
What was it like to finally seeit all brought together? It was it
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was definitely, Uh, it wasamazing. We actually did a like a
mini screening within uh, within ourteam. We we all came together and
we watched it on on the firstepisode at least on the on the projector
at the office, and uh,it was super dope because we've seen we
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got to see my homie, Chriscal I'm forgetting the character and that was
what I was going to touch onI originally, uh I I auditioned for
his character. He is the onethat worked st behind the kind of it
was like, worked at the kindof coffee shop and then has the gun
the whole time. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Oh
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brilliant. He was fantastic. Yes, I'd love to him, yes,
yes, reach out to him forsure, Yeah, because he's definitely incredible
at what he does. But wehad originally auditioned, like all of us
had got the audition for that characterthat he plays, and I had originally
auditioned for that, and they werelike, Okay, we really like you,
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but we would like you to auditionfor a different character. And that
was kind of like my callback.And when I got the audition the sides
for Pascal and uh them, everything went from there. But uh yeah,
we were we sat down and wewatched it together and in first opening
scene you see him, you know, like it's like the first shot,
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and I was just like incredible tosee, you know, like somebody you
know from our team that is openingthe show, you know, is is
is? It was. It wasjust amazing. And then like just watching
the show as it unfolded, youknow and like getting into it is just
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like like man, like where isthis ship going? Yeah, like rolling
into it, you know, likewatching it and like seeing how it builds
up into to to when I finally, uh make my entrance. It's just
uh, it was, it was. It was insane. And then like
I see, like I get tosee my scenes where like we we just
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go through that whole process and thenit's it's just like incredible to see it
all put together. It was justYeah, it was it was just And
what was kind of the reaction fromyour friends, family, peers to to
your your performance. Oh, everybodyis so so excited, you know,
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everybody that uh that that were uh, that that knows the work that I
do. You know that that hasbeen watching me from uh you know since
I come home, you know,from prison. You know, like I
even have guys you know that Iwas in prison with that are out now
too, and they're like seeing thesethings like dang, like that's the how
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we right there, you know,like on TV, you know, like
they'll be knocking on people going thatguy sung for me in prison, Like
that guy there. You hear somany stories about how for folk when they
like leave prison prison, it canbe so easy to fall back into the
prison system as well, and supposeto such a great example of someone that
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can go from something so difficult tolike achieving the Hollywood dream and so on
as well. Yeah, yeah,no, it's it's it's definitely, it's
it's been a journey for sure,you know. Uh, yeah, you
know, go it goes from likelike living living living that life you know
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for so long and like even eveneven like when you're doing that much time,
you know, you get to acertain point, at least for me,
you know, I got to acertain point where I felt like I
wasn't really sure if I was evergoing to come home, you know,
because so much things go on inthere, you know, where there's you
know, people die in there,you know, like like stuff happens and
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it gets uh, it's crazy,you know, and and and you have
to you have to become accustomed tothat lifestyle, and you have to get
comfortable in it because that literally that'sthat was my life, you know,
as was being being surrounded by thatchaos. And just the only way you
can you can survive and remain saneis by is by finding a level of
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comfortability with it. And then tocome home and and and discover an entirely
new challenge you know, and andand and pursuing a career that I know
nothing about. Is is is uhchallenging too, you know, like you
think and then you think coming homefrom all that, like you're like,
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man, the worst is over,you know, everything is over, you
know, like the hard times areover. But like and uh, and
and in reality, that's not alwaysthe case, you know, like there's
still difficulties out here that that weall deal with as normal people that haven't
been to prison or or lived anykind of like that. Like just like
I'm sure you have had difficult timesin your life, just like any other
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human being. And I think Iwas kind of clouded by the by the
by the the joy I was feelingof coming in, you know, like
uh, coming home, and thenI dive right into an industry that's like
like just rejection after rejection after rejection, you know, and it's like and
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I think that's that's the what I'velearned in this industry is that like the
people that are make that are gonnamake it are the ones that have the
thickest skin and the ones that canhang on the longest, you know,
because because like, yeah, it'sa lot of hard work, and it's
a lot of dedication and and andand putting everything you have into it.
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But it's also all of that andthen being told no, you know,
so like you you can put allthis work in, you can do everything
you have and everything in your powerto get done what you need to get
done, and hours and hours andhours of auditioning and then then just be
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like nope, and then you justhave to be like fuck does yourself love
and then do it again. It'sexciting to think that these are the strikes
you mede in just a few years, and where it's going to be in
another five and another ten. You'vemade such an exciting start. Yeah,
yeah, no, I'm I'm definitelyuh. I'm really excited for where where
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things are going as far as uh, as far as my career and just
just working towards goals and just pursuingthings. I'm super excited too. I
actually started my own company recently,and I'm like looking to to to get
to a space where I can likeI'm already. I feel like I'm already
in a space where I'll be ableto be a creator and an artist for
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the rest of my life. Butto be able to to be able to
open like the company I started,I would like to open doors for other
people, you know, to beable to create and be able to pursue
artist's career, you know. Andthat's the way to do it sometimes,
isn't it. You have it somany times, but people make it,
but they forget that other people wantto make it as well. And you
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know, it sounds like you knowfrom your agent and others around you,
they've given you that helping hand andyou want to pass that on as well.
And that's something that's that's so powerfuland something we should should do regardless
of our careers. Yeah, certainly, certainly. Yeah, And and like
especially for people like me too,you know, like there's so many guys
that come home and are like likelike I had I even had one one
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of my homeboys that came home wegot out around the same time. And
he's like one of the one ofthe guys that are like tattoos all over
their face, you know, liketattoos everywhere, and like like gang life
and like like like like living inthat lifestyle as all they really really know,
Like and I just in and outof prison like over and over again,
their whole lives. And I remembersitting with him and talking to him,
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and he would just have this sadlook and we're free, and he
would have this sad look on hisface and he would just tell me like
man, bro, like like Idon't know what it is, you know,
like I just I missed the homies, you know, and I would
just be like like damn, likemy boy, like like we're out here
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for them, you know, andhe just couldn't. There's so many people
that have that reaction, isn't itwhere they feel like I had a community
there, I had the friends,I had, you know, a dependable
life and so and like as youtouched on, there's so many difficulties in
the outside world. But sometimes yougo, you know what, I got
my three meals a day, youknow, at a company and all that
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sort of stuff, and you cansee why people would feel like they want
to go back into that world.Yeah. Yeah, and like like coming
home, like for somebody like meat least that was that went in as
a child. There's so much tolearn, you know, Like I had
I had to learn I came home, I had to learn how to drive
a car, I had to learnhow to do my taxes. I had
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to learn how to have work aregular job. You know. There's so
many things that we have to learn, and there's so many things that can
discourage us, you know, butthe reality of of of this world that
we live in is is we wewe literally live in the land of opportunity,
you know, and there's there's there'sas much as much as there are
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companies that will be like, no, I don't want to hire you because
you're a felon. There are thereare just as many people that will hire
you, but you just have toweep through them, and you have to
be consistent. You have to beable to not give up on yourself.
I've been super blessed, you know, coming home just to be uh in
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uh in the company of some amazingpeople, you know, that that do
this work. When I first camehome, like I I, I was
involved with the with a man thatstarted a nonprofit organization that is pretty much
centered on on stopping the the thecycle of coming and going from in and
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out of prison. You know,it's called ARC. It's the Anti Recidivism
Coalition. So he started that andthe guy the founder of ARC is actually
this is also a little bit ofuh, you know what what got me
uh pushed me in the direction offilm too, because the guy that started
at the founder of ARC is actuallythe director of the Hangover movies. His
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name is Scott. But yeah,he's amazing gentleman and super inspirational in my
life just uh seeing everything that he'sdone in the industry. And he and
that he's done for people like mehas just been inspiring. But yeah,
like but like there's the the ARCSand then there's like Homeboy Industries with father
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Greg Boyle. I don't know ifyou've heard of them, but they've been
super impactful out here in in inl A. Just with with giving people
second chances, you know, andthen and then meeting Bernice, you know
that UH got me into into theon camera side. I also, through
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ARC I actually started out Okay,so before I became UH, I started
doing my acting work, I wasworking on the production side, and through
ARC, I met UH and Igot linked up with another organization that was
founded by I believe, Dan severand he UH. The organization is called
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Manifest Works and it's literally where likethey give you a full course, you
know, on how to be aproduction assistant and how to conduct yourself on
set. And so I went throughthis course, you know, learning how
to be like the best PA inthe game and learned everything about being on
set and then worked my way intoa career of that you know and like
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and like building and like I foundmyself on all kinds of sets, you
know, working like I saw likeeven when I when I did SWAT for
background. I was I was ableto network myself into a position as a
production assistant after being a background onSWAT. Yeah, so like those were
some of my That was one ofThat was my first big show that I
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had a lot of involvement with beingbackground and being a production assistant on.
So I was just in that environmentfor a long time. It's incredible.
So it sounds like there's a lotof exciting kind of projects on the horizon,
Like where's the best place to kindof stay up to date with like
your your kind of stories and experiences. There are films to come. I
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have my Instagram accounts is where Ipost mostly everything. I try to do
everything on social media, which I'veyou know, been learned to manage a
lot more. Yeah, I supposethat you must have missed so much of
kind of the advancements of social mediain that time. I suppose Facebook must
have just been kind of coming onjust as as you kind of were enforcing
incarcerated you know what. I actuallyI heard about I think I the first
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time I heard about Facebook was probablythrough the Facebook movie. Uh uh,
And I didn't know anything about it. I did have a MySpace before I
got arrested. But yeah, youknow, like I always joke, you
know, because it's like like,oh yeah, before I went to prison,
(44:35):
I had a flip phone and aMySpace and now I have a computer
on my wrist, you know,like it's just it's crazy to me.
But yeah, we do everything mostlywith my team, you know, like
I've had I've had to learn socialmedia because we do everything. A lot
of our communication through through Instagram.But yeah, you guys they can follow
(44:59):
me on Instagram. Uh my Uh, my main account is great Underscore Alex
Underscore nine and that's where I postlike all my film stuff everything. And
then I have my my business accountalso if you guys want to know about
the brand or anything like that,uh give us. Hey, here's a
good chance for a shameless plug.Tell us about your brand. Oh yeah,
(45:22):
bro, shambless plug. I wouldlove to bro because, uh,
this is this is actually this ismy baby, uh and it means so
much to me. I I Istarted the company going that's entertainment because for
me, I I I I hadto find ways to cope when I was
in prison. You know, alot of a lot of things going through
(45:45):
your head, your mind's running athousand miles an hour because you're literally sitting
in a cell with nothing to dobut think. You know. So I
used art to escape that, youknow. And I used I used writing
music, I used drawing, youknow, and and and and any any
other form of that I could tokind of get through that, you know.
And like with the company, I'mtrying to promote, like, uh,
(46:07):
the use of the artistic expression tocope with uh uh uh our our
our our our mental mishaps, youknow, like we bea anxiety depression you
know, like you know, likeI I've had dealings like with with suicidal
thoughts, you know, and stufflike that, and you know, like
the goal is to end up uhuh being able to create a space for
(46:30):
those for people that are dealing withthings like this to come and and create
and kind of get out of theirown heads, you know. And and
and the thing is that we're allkind of going nuts, you know,
in some way or another. We'reall, like I believe, we're all
just a bunch of peanuts that couldcrack at any moment, you know,
like there's one wrong thing, onething to go wrong, you know,
(46:53):
and then we're we're flying off thehandles. But but that's that's kind of
like the dream and the vision andand and uh I intend on uh creating
these spaces, you know, toto help people all over the world one
day and where can people find that? That again that your company, uh
so I have I have the theInstagram obviously is going Nuts Entertainment. And
(47:17):
then we have a website up andI have a little like a bio and
mission statement set up and where peoplecan look at things and learn a little
bit about the company. It's goingNuts Entertainment dot com. And uh yeah,
you know we have we have somebig things in the works and where
where we're planning some uh some reallyamazing projects. Well, thank you,
(47:39):
thank you so much for for joining. It's been a real pleasure to talk
about your your career so far,and like it's the antithesis of what we
want to do with this podcast.That you know, it's so easy to
think of like the people like AmastonianFielder, but there's so many people in
these kind of projects, like yourself, that have maybe these smaller rooms,
but just brilliant stories to to shareas well. And it's great to have
(48:00):
book like you on and give thema platform for an irate to talk.
Oh yeah, thank you so much, my brother. It was it's uh,
you've been a delight to talk to. I was super excited when you
guys reached out and I was like, man, I'd love to sit and
be able to share about the aboutthe curse. You know. It's it
was. It was really a definingmoment in my career that uh just just
(48:24):
the next level type type deal forme. And I'm so excited and grateful
that you uh brought me on totalk about it. Brother, I appreciate you
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