AC&P: The McDonald's Interview That Changed Everything

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
and you just you directly addressed how you'd
solve their issue correct, Isaid something as simple as
having a sign up that saysplease use kiosk.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
You know it would take longer if you get somebody
here, but please use kiosk to doorders, because on the inside
that is kind of how mcdonald'sare now yeah and, but they don't
have a sign there and peopleare it's.
I know it's annoying for thestaff, especially if they're
short staffed at that.
You're having to constantlyhave to come back.
Stop doing something.
That's slowing up yourdrive-thru line.

(00:35):
You're not able to get people'sfood because it's not enough
people.
But if you at least put itthere to where they can see it
and read it, maybe that changes,changes people's minds.
And I understand if you arehaving a special kind of order,
to where you have to get ittaken.
Like you can't get mac sauce ona burger.
Like if you want a doublecheeseburger and you want mac

(00:56):
sauce on it, you can't do it onthe kiosk.
Like you can't do it on the appeither.
So you have to go yeah, no, no,no, no.
It's not an option.
That's what I'm saying.
So, like yeah, yeah, yeah,that's how I like to get.
I'll get a double cheeseburgerwith Max Austin Shredder less
because I like Big Macs, but youknow the double cheeseburger is

(01:17):
cheaper, so and it's the samething, and it's just, it's the
same thing with one less pieceof bread.
It's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
And I don't need that second piece of bread.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I think it actually.
It always messes up me eatingthe burger.
I can never have like it'ssloppier.
Yeah, like my buns are alwaysPaul messed up when I'm eating.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Your buns are always messed up.
Huh, is it the bottom bun?
I thought we were adults.
Man, we are adults.
If the buns are getting messedup, is it because of the meat in
between them, or is it thespecial sauce?
What do you think is thecausation of your messed up buns

(02:13):
?
What's messing them up?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
User error.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Because we know that the cheese is kind of the glue
of everything.
So, no, it's not the cheese, soit's got to be the meat, right,
or at least it's got to be thespecial sauce it's the sauce
that gets the meat that soundslike a diddy take there it gets,
it gets slippery yeah, well,because you're having to manage

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this thing.
It's got a little bit of lettucethe sauce and you want to keep
the integrity of the sandwichright because you don't want it
to be uneven to where you'reeating a lot of something and
then there's leftover, justbread and lettuce or something.
You know you want it all in onebite.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, yeah but hey, man, you know another problem
you might run into though.
What's that Old people?

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Specifically black women above the age of like 47,
50.
Why do you?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
think that would be a problem.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
They're not going to use that damn kiosk.
Well, you know we're not goingto make them use the kiosk.
I know it's just more of hey.
For faster service, pleasevisit the kiosk.
Wait times can fluctuate for aperson here because we're busy.
Yeah, it's not that we won'ttake your order, but if you want
to be waiting, if you don'twant to wait, use the kiosk.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
But you know how that works for them.
They're going to get to yellingand you're going to say hey,
I'm sorry, I can take your ordernow.
Y'all done, had me waiting hereall this time.
Man, we, I'm sorry, but we havethe sign set up to use the
kiosk because we'reshort-staffed.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, I don't use that shit.
It's like, okay, ma'am, noproblem.
That's why I'm getting ready toget you taken care of right now
.
What can I get for you?

Speaker 1 (04:14):
And as soon as you take order.
It just don't make no damnsense to be waiting this long
for no food.
Is that only in the blackcommunity, you know?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
what I don't know that's the type of shit that'll
get be said, though, that itliterally, it literally happened
.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
You were saying.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
You were saying only in the black community, not
asking yeah, yeah, I'm sayingonly in the oh yeah, yeah,
that's the comment, that that'sthe chirping that'll come out,
because it literally justhappened when I was up there.
It literally, I'm trying totell you, it took them 25
minutes to interview, to geteven get to the chance to
interview me, and so, um, therewas a guy and and I I honestly I

(04:55):
understand where they werecoming from, they had ordered
like coffee and that was it,because it was still morning
time, and one, it was a guy anda woman and again she fits the
description of what you justexpressed like you know somebody
in their mid-40s.
Okay, the black guy, he poppedit off, though he was like he's
like man, let me get a refund.

(05:15):
He said I'm gonna just go to.
There's a quick trip across thestreet, let me just go to quick
trip.
I didn't know what they hadordered because I didn't listen
to all that, but they justwanted to pick.
They both got coffees one gotan iced coffee, the other guy
regular.
And were they not?
They weren't even theretogether.
That's what I'm saying it was.
It was.
They were just separatecustomers.
They were like six fuckingpeople in the lobby which I

(05:37):
don't.
You know.
If I ever go to mcdonald's it'sgoing to be in the drive-thru.
I don't typically go inside andso unless the line is just
ridiculous, and then at thatpoint I have to ask myself how
bad do I want McDonald's?
I'll just go somewhere else.
But yeah, they're sitting theredoing that and they both asked
for their money.

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The man that ended upinterviewing me, which I feel
like he's got to be the owner,and if he's not, he's kin to the
owner, it's something alongthose lines, because this dude
was in his mid-60s, he lookedlike he was about my dad's age,
he was a foreigner, he'sCaribbean I don't want to say he
was Jamaican, but he wasCaribbean, he's Mr Gene and he

(06:23):
just seemed super-duper busy andhe was the one kind of like he
comped somebody's stuff becausethey were waiting so long.
And again, I could tell thatthey were super-duper short
staff.
But it makes sense, becausewhoever maybe was the general
manager there before possiblyquit, I don't know, but to me.
I look at it as potentially, asa new challenge and, again, the

(06:44):
ultimate goal would be toeventually be a franchisee.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
And so you know, you can't wear Travis Scott's and
Yeezy's.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yes, they have to be a certain type of shoes.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Got to have on the no slips.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I'm fine with that.
I didn't.
That wouldn't change me and thedirection that I would want to
have it go in.
Again, I look at it this way Alot of people have McDonald's as
their whipping boy job.
That's a whipping boy job.
Now, obviously I'm managing, itwould be me managing, but at
the same time it's a perfect wayto set up, becoming a

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franchisee for literally one ofthe probably one of the five
biggest companies in the world.
Here's something.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Just take this advice from me.
Okay, your work clothesseparate hamper.
Wash them by themselves.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
You're saying that that grease smell it sticks in
them.
Huh, yeah, see that sounds alot like the warehouse At tire
warehouses.
That rubber smell it very much,so stays on you.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, but you're not getting the thick of it in the
warehouse, that's true.
I have worked in the warehousebefore I know you have, but I'm
saying when you were going tothe tire warehouse.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
No, I walked around and then I was in the office.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, you're not doing that 60 hours a week.
Yeah, now when you get to theGolden Arches not Golden Arches,
not McDowell's okay, yeah.
We're sending me these buns.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
But you know what, that is the type of pride I
would take in it Seriously, likethat's the type of pride, and I
think that he got the sensethat I wanted the job, like I
wasn't just applying and likeweighing options.
I'm like no, no, no, no, thisis the job I want.
And I like known, though,because I was serious about it,

(08:47):
because me, I think, my dad, he,he's the one with the.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I don't have the asset, he's the one with the
assets.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
But even once the liquid, once we've got this
liquid, it's something to me.
It it encompasses everythingthat I like to do, or like what
I believe to be my greatestasset, and that is customer
service.
I feel like that's somethingthat I can thrive at and that
business is.
I mean, yes, it's a foodbusiness, but it feel like
that's something that I canthrive at and that business is.
I mean, yes, it's a foodbusiness, but it's really that's
why Chick-fil-A is so popular.

(09:09):
The food is always going to beconsistent and good.
Everybody knows that aboutChick-fil-A.
What makes them stand apart?
It's always been the customerservice.
It's always been that the food,as long as you know your food's
going to be consistent.
You're not selling the food,you're selling the experience
and the person and people.
You are buying the food, butI'm just saying your experience
is what dictates how much youreally want to get it.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's a balance beam, right, you go to a shithole taco
spot, wing spot, caribbean spotright, it may be dirty in there
, may not be clean I know I justsaid that twice.

(09:53):
Yeah, you may get cursed out,you may be uncomfortable because
it's in a sketchy part of town,but the food is so damn good
that you deal with it Right whenMcDonald's.
Well, back to your Chick-fil-Athing.

(10:17):
Right, the food is good butit's pricier.
But the customer service is sogood it's like I'll pay an extra
three bucks today for lunch.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
I like the idea of going somewhere and not having
any type of inconvenience,whether that be wait time,
whether that be the person'sattitude towards me, to where I
got to curse.
You know how people are.
They'll curse people out wheremy order is going to be wrong
and I have to go back in andthen confront them.
And what are they going to doabout it?
They're going to treat it likeshit and say, basically, fuck me

(10:50):
back.
I want to change that stigma,certainly at least for that
location.
And then, who knows, maybe itgrows into something else.
You become regional manager, Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm not your interviewer man.
You don't have to sell me on it, I know you.
Hey, paul, a Pete dog, how youdoing.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
We are doing fantastic.
How are we doing today?
Ac Lee.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know not too bad.
Missed your brunch on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know.
But I knew by the time I gotback I wasn't going to make it.
I got back here at five it so Ihad to end up.
So it was.
I wanted steak and shake iswhat I wanted.
They were closed.
What a burger.
Was open but the drive-throughwas blocked off so I had to go

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in.
There were probably about sixor seven people ahead of me.
You order on the kiosk in theretoo.
Did that, got my order and thewait was probably like 25 or 30
minutes.
And she lives deep into thelike.
She's not far from Truist Parkbut like even from Truist
because of the amount of stopsigns and then having to go into

(12:02):
her neighborhood.
It's like a good 10 minutes 10,12 minutes, before you know
going through from Truist tothere, even though it's only
like 1.8 miles.
Like it's not far, but becausethere's so many so many turns.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, that's the Viney's experience.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, so you eat up that and then you eat up that,
getting out of it.
Then you drive to go get thefood.
I went one place closed, thenyou have to go to the other.
Ironically, waffle House wasopen there.
They definitely had peoplesitting in there.
Now obviously we weren't goingto Uber from the Highlands to

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there to eat Waffle House.
It's just not that serious.
So then you got to drive thathit that, then wait.
By the time I got back here Iwas like there's no chance I get
up for this.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, no, because I went to sleep after five.
Then I'm like he ain't back.
Yeah, If Blank hadn't called me, I wouldn't have made it.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
How was brunch?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Fun, it was just the three of us.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh, okay, so nobody else showed up either.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
No, it was just me.
Boink and Zell Sat there, had acouple pictures of mimosas Ate
Jolly Mary.
I left, went to a birthdayparty, came back home, went to
sleep for like five, six hoursand got up and went to El Malo.

(13:34):
How was that?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I guess that's what you meant when you said you were
buying me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I knew that El Malo was maybe going to be the move,
just because that's what thatgroup thing that Boink sent said
.
But I had to make a game-timecall.
I hadn't heard anything fromyou.
Gambles had.
You know, they booted Gambles'car, Not shot, yeah, they booted
it.
And then I went to the gym, Isweated out, obviously, and then

(14:08):
from there I'm like I didn'thear anything from anyone.
Boykin sent me something, but Isaid by the time he had sent
that I would have had to havecame back here, got dressed and
then drove to Buckhead and I'mlike, oh man, I'm not going to
be able to make it to hisbrother-in-law's graduation
party.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I was going to go, but I was asleep.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, I got a text from a birdie and from there.
It made me consider some thingsand I said yeah, that sounds
like fun, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, so I mean El Malo, it was just malo, whatever
it was probably packed, though.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Huh, you had to wait.
Was it a line like you had towait?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
yeah, but security was running a nice little deal
40 skip line.
He sneaked you through the backdoor so you paid the 40 bucks.
Yeah, I wasn't waiting.
It was that bad?
Well, not just that.
Two of my Marines I used towork with were in town and I'm

(15:14):
like, well, I'm going to kick itwith y'all, but I'd never see
Boink.
So we got to make these thingswork, you know.
Right, Either come here oryou'll have to wait until I'm
done here to link up, yeah, andit it might be too late, because
that's in which, which is whatended up happening.

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So they met me there.
They'd already went in, becausethey got in earlier, because I
told them about it before I tookmy long ass nap so they beat
the line and all of that stuff.
So I'm like let me go ahead andgo on in here and it was cool.
You know, obviously not myclass, so I didn't know the
people.
The DJ was kind of, he wasn'tfilling out the crowd, he wasn't

(15:57):
responding to the crowd as thecrowd was responding to the
music.
You know, he played like a setfrom our college years, brought
the energy up and then went intosome more of that music that
you know we hear when we're inthere, that kind of Islandy,
just cool vibes, yeah, but I, no, it wasn't.
Yeah, it just wasn't.

(16:18):
It wasn't El Malo that you gothere for, cause you go there
for the chill, but still a crowd, you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, it wasn't that.
It was packed out nut to buttcouldn't move.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Nut to butt, huh.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, it felt like college.
It felt like it was one ofthose diddy parties nut to butt.
No, no, no People were close.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I mean, I know he's more nut to nip but you know,
literally no, no, no, I mean, Iknow he's more nut to nip, but
you know, Literally.
We'll get to him a little bitlater, but it's a nasty
motherfucker man.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
That is a nasty nigga man.
Yeah, like I don't.
I mean, we talk about this allthe time.
There's a magic number up theresomewhere that I want to steer
clear of.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Mm-hmm.
I actually got a call from yourUT alumni buddy yesterday.
What was he talking about?
Well, he's looking for a job.
Basically, if I knew anybody, Itold him yeah, I was like send
me your resume.
I can certainly send it topeople.
I know that work in thatindustry uh-huh, um.

(17:30):
So that was then hespecifically asked about
homecoming and um what I wantedto do and I said, man, look,
I've got some big stuff that'scoming up.
And I said, as long as oncefunds are in hand.
I said honestly it wassomething I was really thinking
about was for homecoming.
I want to throw a party onfriday night, but I want the

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party to be a um, not.
I want the theme what.
I want it to be a white party,but I want it to be a um, uh a
uh not that ditty party is whatI would literally what I want to
call it, but I want it to be awhite, like an all-white party,

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and rent a mansion okay and itbe like something like from 11
pm to like 4 am.
So like a ditty party, yeah, butnot a ditty party.
That's literally actually whatI told him am.
So like a ditty party, yeah,but not a ditty party.
That's literally actually whatI told him.
What it would be called, not aditty party.
That'll be fun.
It would be like I scoped out,like the mansion and where it

(18:35):
would be like it would be verymuch so it would look very much,
and it's like.
It's like the house itself.
It's a really dope house.
Every hour is like $700 an hour, but it comes with cleaning,
like you don't have to worryabout cleaning.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Okay, so we would not sleep in the mansion.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, we could if we wanted to, but that would be the
thing.
The party would start at 11, soyou'd probably start renting it
at yeah, probably 8, 9,something like that to get set
up, because the biggest thingwould be having two security
guards.
In my opinion, you need tworeally big-ass security guards.
I feel like the liquor I have aliquor connect where I can buy

(19:20):
bulks and obviously I would hopeI could get you guys guys, help
as well on that part.
I'll purchase the place orwhatever.
Obviously, make it to whereUber is encouraged, limited.
Why don't we just switch?
No idea, let me.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
see, that's weird.
I feel weird sitting here.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's weird looking at you right there let's, uh, yeah
, let's do this here, there wego.
That's a little odd, but um,but yeah, but basically that'd
be the premise of it.
Um, and it's the white partyyeah, throw a kick-ass soiree
though, like honestly make itthe best party that anyone's

(20:12):
ever been to, but not a dittyparty.
What's cover?
Ooh Well, you know what thecrazy part is.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I was thinking possibly no cover, but it'd have
to be almost Well, it would beinvite, though I know a
bartender.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I do too.
Who do you know the vegan?
There's her DJ, my old neighbor.
She worked at Bar Vegan.
She just wasn't there that daythat we were there.
I know a few bartenders.
Hell Justice has his bartendinglicense.
Like I mean, he wouldn't bebartending.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
We don't want Justice behind the bar, not because
he's Justice.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's because it's a he.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, it would be nothing but attractive women.
But yeah, and then even havelike a little trays, Like it
would be a legit experience tocelebrate 10 years.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
So you know what that would be a nice invite only
party.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Now I already looked at it.
I think in total, in order forit to like pop off, especially
because of the cost of themansion and stuff I'm looking at
it would be like a $10,000 typething Easy.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, but here's the thing, though If you host it,
you've got to find a way to tryto get people to spend money.
Because, people will, maybe youdo a raffle, raffle.

(21:54):
Yeah, I'll raffle off sometickets matter of fact.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Actually, I tell you what.
It would automatically have tobe a raffle.
So the raffle would work thisway the half of the money would
be donated to something which is.
I really hope everything turnsout the way I want.
This is something I've alwayswanted to do.
I wanted to have a umscholarship yep, I've always

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wanted to have a scholarshipthat I put in my mom's name.
Now my mom went to clark, butmy mom and I I guess I would
tweak it, but I wanted it toalways be something for a
student that was going throughsomething where their parents
were sick, like for me.
Obviously my mom had cancer andit was.
It was tough, bro, especiallyduring that first semester of my

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sophomore year, having to dealwith that, because it's the
worst GPA I ever had.
I had to drop like two classes.
It was just hard.
Yeah, that's totallyunderstandable.
You make it to where the moneyat least half of it at least
goes to that fund, and it's fora good cause, it's for the

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school.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
It's for us.
Well, here's, all you got to dois create your nonprofit.
You create your nonprofit andnow your foundation, right is
hosting this party.
So now you can charge at thedoor because it's going to a

(23:33):
cost, right, and obviously youdon't disclose the percentage.
Now, you don't disclose thepercentage.
Yeah, got to cover operatingcosts, but now you're in a
legitimate organization throwinga legitimate party.
And yeah, and for the peoplewho might be on the fence, right
, do I go to the official 2015party, blah, blah, blah,

(23:58):
whatever club that's going to bewhack because it's going to be
too many people there.
Or do I go to an invite-onlyparty that is only going to be?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
you know, I'm saying it's going to be 50 cover as
opposed to 50 club cover plusgoddamn my section plus, if you
only because think about thatsection is only typically it's
only one bottle, depending onhow big the section is, so then
you might have to get additionalbottles.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, whereas here ain't nobody popping bottles.
You got nice looking bartendersover here.
It'll be all you can drink, hey, hey, hey.
Put that cash up up there.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Or well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to tip the
bartenders.
Drink tickets, drink tickets,drink tickets, drink tickets,
drink tickets.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Each ticket comes with like four drink tickets and
we know or make it to where.
That is what the 50-50, thedonation even Well, you don't
tell them that, like your barmoney, is your cover money right
?
It goes into one pot.
After you break off yourbartenders and whatever tips
they steal, because they'regoing to steal tips.
I'm telling you that as yourfriend, who will likely be

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helping you with these things tosome degree, I am going to ask
the bartenders for their cashapp to tip them directly.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
And to get it all in one swipe, to do it immediately
and say, hey, this is for thenight because it'll be bigger
than, obviously, the one drinkthat they're getting.
Oh yeah, but if they get, ifthey get a 40 tip, it's just
like, no, this is for me allnight.
And then they'll remember youtoo, because you're like, oh, he
gave you the big tip already.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Niggas are cutting line you know, hey, so for you
rookies, right, when you go to apack, a pack bar I'm not
talking about the club or I'mtalking about a pack bar uh, a
fundraiser, a wedding, anywherewhere there's like bar and there
could you have potential issues.
Or you're just going to a newbar and you want to, and you,

(26:01):
you want to get you a newbartender in there.
You tip heavy on that firstround, even if you're going to
tab it up.
You buy that first drink byitself.
You say close me out.
You give that big, hefty tip soshe knows you, she sees you, or
he.
That big tip, huh, yeah, andthat's how you create a dynamic

(26:28):
with a bartender, without havingto talk to them and do all the
extra that you will eventuallydo if you know how to nurture
your bartender relationship.
Trust me, I've done this manytimes.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I'm trying to pull up something to send to you real
quick.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Paul AP.
Do you even?
How do you feel about men whogo out who don't have at least
one bartender?

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Men who go out and don't have one bartender.
Oh, just say no, yeah, it'sweird, isn't it?
It would be weird if you don'tbecause it's like.
So what do you do when you goout?
Like because, because, because,to say that, oh well, the only
time I go out is with otherpeople.
That's a little well, but Idon't believe that either.

(27:21):
There have been times whereyou've gone out, and whether it
just be at a sports bar to watcha game, get dinner by yourself,
whatever the case may be, youdon't always have somebody with
you.
So, and if you don't havesomebody else with you, unless
you're an introvert like allthrough and through, how do you
not speak to anybody?
And the person typically you'regoing to speak to is the

(27:43):
bartender.
That's who you're, either that,or maybe if there's a hot chick
that's there by herself next toyou, sure, but like there could
be a guy, that could be a dudethat you're talking to pause
Like.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
not like that, obviously, but like no, you can
meet a guy at a bar, but in SanDiego, at the bar that you
disappeared at and me and Dalecouldn't find you.
I have four bartenders in thereand one of them was a dude,
because one of my otherbartenders introduced me to him

(28:18):
because she was leaving.
He took care of me that dayPaul's Well.
The next time I see him herocking with me and we already
got to understanding because hegot the blessing from his
co-worker.
My only issue with that wholerelationship was I was leaving

(28:40):
too much gratuity for a man thatI just didn't feel comfortable
leaving too much gratuity for aman that I just didn't feel
comfortable.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
So I still have the invite on Facebook.
The last time I threw a party,it got really good reviews.
Obviously I don't know if I hadever told you guys that story.
You guys know I crashed myex-girlfriend's car into my
creek.
Yes, okay, so that's whathappened at this party.
That was a part of it, at leasta part of the night, but we had
a party at my parents' house.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
My high school graduation party Were your
parents in town.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
It was a joke.
Oh yeah, Of course a joke.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Oh, yeah, of course, though, they were there, and
it's the closest thing to kindof a, especially because I ended
up crashing the car, which fuckbut it was one of the closer
things to a Project X type party.
I mean, we don't have a pool atmy parents' house, but like

(29:45):
somebody got bit by our dog, uh,they had a whole area, the
smokers.
So you probably I know you'veonly been over there once but
there's an area next to myparents garage where it's just
an open space.
It's like a bonfire going onover there that night, okay, um,
but it was all the smokers.
Uh, people gifted me stuff.
Like I got a long pause, I got along pipe, um, that somebody

(30:09):
gave me to smoke.
I didn't even I didn't smokelike that in high school either,
but like, um, it was a lot thatwent on that night.
I mean a lot of fucking.
I mean it was some crazy shit.
That was honestly going on beerpong tournament, um, you name
it.
It was everything, but it wasjust good.
It was a good ass time, likeyou know hey, beer pong in high
school, huh yeah, of course weplayed.

(30:32):
We played on a real table,because there's a pool table
downstairs and we had a uh, pingpong table so that we would put
on top of it if we ever wantedto play ping pong.
So we played on that big assthing, which is is why I always,
even in college, I was like,bro, this isn't even a real
table size.
And I get it, we're in college,so it's different.
Nobody has a big ass table.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
I didn't start playing beer pong until my
junior year of college.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I played a lot in high school.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, no, I just started playing beer pong until
after I turned 21.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Wow yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
We would have that too.
My first birthday, my 21stbirthday, was actually my first
beer.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
You're a fucking liar .
Let me guess what kind of beerwas it?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
you had an old dual no, I actually had a yingling.
That was my first legal beeryeah, your first legal one.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, I couldn't tell you what.
My first legal man.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I don't even remember so here's how I know what my
first legal beer was.
Shout out to my nigga, haysonjosh.
Uh, we went to hooters on myactual 21st birthday because I
threw quite a rager the nightbefore you know.
Shout out to y'all y'all, y'all, y'all made it look like I

(32:03):
could throw a good house party.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
I don't remember what I did.
You know it's funny.
I think that we threw a partyhere.
Honestly, I just don't rememberbecause that would have been
senior year.
I turned 21 at the start of theyear.
Yeah, fucking child, well heyyou know I always used to think

(32:34):
I was the youngest, but it'sGambles.
Gambles is the youngest, yeah,Because his birthday is somehow
in October and he's in our class.
But I always was typically theyoungest person in my class, so
that's why I'm like Gambles.
How did you?
But I guess Florida's differentthan Georgia.
In Georgia, you know, you haveto be a certain age before.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Labor Day.
Yeah, cut off is like Septemberor something.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
It's Labor Day, it's like Labor Day, labor Day.
Yeah, there we go.
Yeah, my birthday's not even afull two weeks before Labor Day.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Damn.
Oh, my 21st birthday.
The weekend itself washilarious.
The Thursday night we go toEmory.
I get introduced to 21 cup beerpunk, so we're playing that on
an actual Blackpool table sizedtable.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Hold on.
Were you not in the drinkingOlympics?
No?

Speaker 1 (33:28):
One of the most coveted free agents, but I never
signed Boo.
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I know you weren't with Boyd.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
No, I would never be.
The problem was I didn't have ateam.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well why, aren't you on his team?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I wasn't playing with some California niggas.
They ended up winning somehow,yeah yeah, they shouldn't have
won.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
We should have won.
Yeah, they beat us.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, I know, and it fucked up my suite.
Well look, two niggas in thefinals as roommates.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Well, think of it this way, josh Holsey his mess
up happened before?
No, because he walked out withhis pants down.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
No, no, no, no, no.
Remember this was before.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Uber.
This was before we had Uber,Like I told you.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Niggas was really going to the drinking Olympics
and driving home.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
But they knew what they were doing and it was going
to the drinking Olympics anddriving home, but they knew what
they were doing and it wasgoing to be tough to have a DD,
because anyone that was I mean,yes, there were people that were
going to just watch and maybedrink a little while watching
it's homecoming week thoughYou're drunk, exactly Everybody
is and they held it so far offcampus.
That shit was closer to here,which is why I drove, because it

(34:51):
was only like five, six, sevenminutes from here and like, um,
I had an suv, obviously, so likeit made it easier for me to
transport multiple people, likemy neighbor tondi, like he rode
with me, like justice.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
It was a couple people, but like three people
pissed in my suite that night.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
On the floor, no.
So where did they piss, couch?
Oh, pissed themselves, yes.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
One you remember Pick Nasty right.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
He got drunk as hell and pissed on Teron's bed.
So I pull up from opera,because we didn't go to the
Drinking Olympics, because thatwas Thursday night.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
The Drinking Olympics is on Thursday night.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
No, it was Wednesday, pretty nasty on Thursday.
Okay, so I pull up from operaand Teron is like, squared up up
with pick, nasty on parsons.
I'm like, nigga, what is goingon here?
So me young boy and mauve we gocheck it out, right, yeah, we

(36:01):
fix the situation.
Hey, pick, like I'm about todrive to Lithonia and I'm like
nigga, no, you're not, you'rehammered.
Nah, I'm going home.
This nigga tripping like heacting different around the hoes
.
No, nigga, you pissed in hisbed.
Like you took a nap drunk andyou pissed in his bed.

(36:22):
Yeah, he should whoop your assand he got hoes over here, nigga
.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
So right, any fucking if he was gonna be fucking not
happening in there.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, so we take Pick Nasty to the suite and put him
on the couch, leave, go back.
Pick Nasty pisses on the couch.
Then Josh falls asleep in hischair in the living room, pisses
in the chair.
Eric makes it to his bedsomehow and then opened up one

(36:58):
of his drawers and just startedpissing.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Was there anything in the drawer, or was it an empty
drawer?
Nah it was closed.
At that point I don'tunderstand why you just don't
piss on the floor.
I mean, but Because he'sincoherent.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
You got to understand .
These niggas were drunk thatwhole next day Because that
Thursday morning we had ROTCshit and Josh somehow made it
through.
I don't know how Josh made itthrough.
Eric got sent home.
They were like nah, bro, yougotta go.
Like you can't show up to workdrunk.
And then I got cursed out forletting him come.

(37:40):
False, it's crazy.
Was like why did y'all justleave him at home?
I'm like because I didn't wantthem to get in trouble.
Well, they're going to get inmore trouble now because they're
drunk.
And I'm like oh, they didn'tget in no real trouble.
But like, nah, we had to likeme and Boynton had to like dress
Josh and Eric Is that bad.

(38:01):
Yes, like I'm talking about,like, besides taking, like
putting on a fresh pair ofdrawers, now them niggas wearing
pissy drawers I'm not doing allthat, but like niggas have to
grab their uniforms out theircloset and like, picking up legs
and do it like they're fuckingkids.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Look, it was a tough night.
I mean, you know, they made itto where we had to be nations in
that drinking Olympics.
So we were Team Jamaica.
It was me, jp, you and Josh.
That was the team and we shouldnot have lost to them.
There was a lot going on thatnight.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I mean, yeah, you don't lose to Eric Jam, joe and
who.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Essek, I don't even remember.
I just know that we shouldn'thave lost to them.
We were far more, I thought,far more seasoned.
Put it this way we had thetalent.
The talent was on our side.
We had the talent to get itdone.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, y'all the 2011 Heat.
Yeah, and we just hey, we're anhour in and we haven't talked
about shit for 40 minutes.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, you know, when you get into these type of
conversations, it's not trulyneeded.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
But you know what?
I think it makes sense for you,looking back on 10 years from
your graduation from MohausCollege.
Shout out to Dr Ann Watts, moHouse College.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Shout out to Dr Ann Watts To throw something.
Epic Nigga what I'm talkingabout the party.
That's how we kind of gotstarted on all this.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, but I was just saying just the whole 10-year
piece because you know your10-year reunion was this past
weekend that you skipped.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I didn't skip it.
I wasn't going to go up to theschool Again.
Homecoming is more of whatthat's for.
I feel like that's the Even,though you know you're not going
to run into people athomecoming.
You're going to just not runinto people, just because that's
just how it's set up.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Especially now with all the VIP lines.
You're going to just not runinto people just because that's
just how it's set up.
Well, especially now with allthe VIP lines.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
But that's the real celebration.
It's at homecoming.
Yeah, I could have went to whatwould be considered the formal
celebration.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
You know, Walsh is coming home too.
Who?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I don't know.
Are we talking about Morehouse?
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (40:49):
You know a lot of people with a tenure coming up
Morehouse and Spellman, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I'm honestly drawing a blank here, Lee.
Can you give me a hint?

Speaker 1 (41:08):
What About someone in class of 2015 who I look
forward to seeing at homecoming,who would be literally coming
home?
My God, did I need to put it ona tee for you?
Yeah, jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
What does their name start?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
with I don't know.
It's really hurting me that youcan't figure this out.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Well, we've got a private chat.
Why don't you put it in there?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
No, I'm just going to keep dropping hints.
Did they go to Bellman?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
You're just not.
Well, you said you know whoelse is coming home and I'm like
, yeah, everybody's graduating.
Like I'm just trying to figureout who.
It's obviously a woman, but I'mjust trying to figure out, well
, what?
What woman?

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I don't know any women.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Okay, I'm just, I mean I'm drawing a blank here.
Bro it's crazy that you'redrawing a blank because, like
when I tell you who- it is, it'sgoing to be like oh nigga.

(42:22):
Well, there's only one personthat I have in mind and I don't
understand.
I don't understand how you'rewhere that's, I'm, I'm trying to
see where you're going with itwith the coming home.
Yeah, it's triple entendre.
Hey, man, can you just tell meI it's really hold on.
Coming home to daddy, okay,coming home because atlanta is
home, okay, and then coming hometo spelman.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Coming home, because Atlanta is home.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
And then coming home to Spellman, because Spellman's
home Triple entendre.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
I'm going to assume that this person's name starts
with a K.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I don't know.
I don't know what this person'sname starts with.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Okay, all right, well , either way, yes, it will be a
momentous occasion here.
We're going to get to somebasketball.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
This is what makes this show great.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
You're not explaining this very well.
I understand you're giving me atriple entendre, but I mean,
you figured it out.
I have an idea.
Oh okay, all right, I figuredit out.
So all right, all right.
Okay, I mean, that was theperson who's who, who I had, who
I had in mind, anyways, but Iwas just trying to see where are

(43:43):
we going.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
You just shouldn't think too hard.
You know, have you read MalcolmGladwell Blink?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
No.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
First thoughts, the best thoughts.
You just have to train yourselfto ensure that you're first off
the best all-need situation.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Anyways, let's talk hoops we should probably start
getting to get the sound.
Uh, the sound bc.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, I'm literally hopping on youtube to do the mb
nba on nbc.
Uh, to play it, let's see.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
And then, when we do get it cut up, let's talk.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Hoops Sounds not too great on my end, but Oops, I was
only supposed to use nineseconds.
We're getting flagged, buddy.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
We'll be all right.
Yeah, let's talk hoops.
We got a Western ConferenceFinals and an Eastern Conference
Finals that are set, obviously,one of the games being the
first game of the WesternConference being played
yesterday and then tonight weget the Eastern Conference game.
But let's start with theWestern Conference, since we do
know the result of game one.
Were you surprised at all byhow that game went?

(45:02):
Minnesota in six, okay so youlike to probably bounce back and
get game two and most likelyprotect home court and then win
it in six at home.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yes, nothing about yesterday changed how I felt.
I don't really overreact togame ones.
Even when New York beat Bostonin game one I'm like, well, they
missed 45 threes and Bostoncame back from like 20.
I mean, new York came back fromlike 20 in the fourth or some

(45:33):
crazy shit.
So Boston will be fine, youknow.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Then they weren't fine and then that's when I
would reevaluate.
Now, if Minnesota gets thedoors blown off of them, I'm not
going to say Minnesota's goingto win four games in a row
against OKC, like that's.
I don't like those odds.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
I think that the first half was more indicative
of what the series will looklike.
Oklahoma.
City clearly has a thing aboutthem in that second quarter and
third quarter, though, Likethat's where they win their
basketball games.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
It's not the end of the game, it's in the middle.
Steph Curry Warriors.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I guess I look at it this way Because in both games
their last two games which nowthat sounds like a really hot
bet to take the road teamagainst OKC in the first quarter
, because you can do like firstquarter money line and stuff
like that Sounds like the bestbet to take.
Honestly, they, they do get offthe slow starts.
It looks like, uh, when, when,the when the competition is uh,

(46:46):
yeah, when it's good.
Now, obviously it's differentwhen you play against the
Memphis Grizzlies or somethinglike that.
But um, yeah, second straightgame of them kind of turning it
up and, um, blitzing competition.
I liked what I saw out ofJulius Randle.
He played super well.
Like in that first half helooked really good and he's been
looking, he's looked good.
All playoffs pause, but like Ithink there's going to because

(47:12):
you got to you count theseseries.
this way, there's going to be agame that Ant just wins, right
where he takes over.
It's a game called.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
He goes like 37 to 43 .
It was his game.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
It was like man, he just they didn't have any
answers for him.
So you kind of win, for thatyou get your.
Well, these are just home games, like they're going to dig it
and win, type home games.
And then you need that othergame where it's somebody else
Dante DiVincenzo or need thatother game where it's somebody
else Dante DiVincenzo, or, inthe case of the Lakers series,
rudy Gobert, right or somebodythat you don't expect.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Or Scott Foster or Tony Brothers is on the call and
none of the touch fouls getcalled for.
Shea, yeah, right, like that.
And when he got on JV Daniels,he visits the brink of the line
five times in a game.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I say he'll visit the line five times as opposed to
15 in a game, yes, and Chet willbe in foul trouble.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
And then Rudolph goes crazy.
He got played off the courtyesterday.
He only played like 20 minutes.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
He didn't.
Hardenstein had a strong game,but he didn't.
Hardenstein had a strong game.
Chet's length pause is likeit's not.
Like you would think that RudyGobert, as a four-time DPO-y,
would be able to do more thanwhat he can do in certain

(48:35):
matchups and for me it's notnecessarily like, oh, he's got
to play the perimeter, like ifChet's out there, he needs to be
out there right Now.
That's a completely differentstory.
If Hartenstein and Chet are onthe floor at the same time,
obviously, you just say thatHartenstein down low, but when
Chet's running the five, he'sgot to be better.

(48:55):
I don't know, he just has to bebetter.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
He's and this is why I hate defensive awards and no
longer use people's defensiveawards or anything to like how I
rack and stack them.
Rudy Gobert is a really goodoff-ball rim protector, but like

(49:18):
he doesn't play like greatone-on-one post-defense you know
what I mean Like he's not agreat one-on-one defender, he's
an off-ball defender and that'show you only play 20 minutes
against a team that has two bigs.
And, yeah, chet can handle theball, but I don't think Chet's
the most shifty player left toright, you know Right, and he's

(49:43):
frail.
Is he 230 pounds?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I don't think he is.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, no, like Chet can't guard Julius Randle.
What's my man's name?
Kenny Lofton Jr.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Chet, is man Check this out?
207 is what it has him listedas.
Think about it, I weigh damnnear almost as much as Chet I
was about to say I've been 198.
That's not okay, you want toknow where they're getting

(50:22):
cooked, though, and hisleadership is needed, of course.
But Mike Conley and he actuallykind of didn't play bad
yesterday, but like at the sametime he did, I think he was like
one for six.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Let me see.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
You got to bring out the tail of the tape.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
I mean Hate to be box score holsy here, but I mean
hate to be box score Holsey herebut I mean, minnesota didn't
shoot the ball well and they hada bunch of turnovers live ball
turnover specifically and theydidn't force.
They didn't force many liveball turnovers, I think, um,
okay, see had as many steals as,uh, the Timberwolves had forced

(51:00):
turnovers.
So, like, what do you expect?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Ant's got to shoot the ball more.
That's something to do.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
And I think he will game two.
I'm not worried about Ant, likethe moment being too big for.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Ant Dante DiVincenzo shot more shots than anyone on
the 10-point wall, yeah, that'sa problem?
Yeah, but here's the real issue.
They're your three biggestbench producers Nasri DiVincenzo
and Alexander Walker.
They were a combined 7-4-36.
So that's not going to get itdone against anyone let alone a

(51:36):
team that also has just as muchdepth, if not more depth, than
you.
Again, Julius Randle playedwell.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Minnesota had a bad game and some might say it was
OKC's swarming defense andCaruso and all of that.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Nobody really kicked ass for the Thunder, though.
I mean Chet played an efficientgame, but like what was Shea's
final Shea was 10 for 27, 0 for4 from 3 with 31, 9, and 5.
So his 31 is misleading becausehe missed 17 shots, Like you
know.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
I mean, that's what Shea does.
Though Shea might have the mostconfidence of any player in the
NBA, he don't stop chunking.
You give him the ball.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
But his inefficiency isn't a Kobe-type inefficiency,
like, yeah, kobe might shoot theball 30 times in a game, right,
and you'll look up and you'llbe like Kobe had 40, but he shot
at 30.
Kobe's points, I don't know,they feel like they're more
impactful In a situation likethat.
I'm talking about chucking itup.

(52:51):
It felt like his shots werebigger, they meant more.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I have to disagree with you.
They meant more.
I have to disagree with you.
I think they would mean aboutthe same.
Okay, because there are niggaswho are very talented scorers.

(53:17):
Shea modeled his game afterKobe.
He just doesn't have theathleticism, the above-the-rim
stuff.
It just doesn't look the samebecause Shea's body and his
athleticism are different, buthe's modeled his game after a
later Kobe.
So, yeah, this team won 60games behind Shea, scoring 30

(53:38):
every day and him beingannounced 68 games Almost think
about that almost 70 wins.
Yeah, so like I do think Shea'sbuckets have the same impact as
Kobe, it just doesn't.
Maybe, bro, I just don't liketo watch Shea play basketball.
I think he's really good.
He's an amazing player and I'mnot upset by him being MVP.

(54:00):
I would have preferred him tobe the MVP last year, uh, but
you know he, he gets his MVP, uh, well deserved, kind of I don't
like I don't want to shit on itor like throw salt, as I'm
throwing salt and shitting on it, but like Joker had a better
season.
Shades was on a better team.
Nonetheless, he won 60-plusgames and he scored 30 almost
every night.

(54:20):
Kobe wasn't winning 60 gameswhen he scored 30 every night.
Granted, his teams were not.
His team wasn't built for himto win when he was scoring 30,
but I think it's from a similarmode.
I don't want to compare Sheaand Kobe because they have

(54:44):
different games and I don't wantto like.
I just don't think Kobe'snecessary for this conversation
right now, because we're talkingabout Well, you know, we just
wanted to bring him up.
Yeah, we know, you know, we gotone down.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I don't think we've got too much football to talk
about, so I don't know ifthat'll come up, but yeah, but
yeah.
I think that the serieshonestly.
I think, okay, so he's going towin.
I just do.
I don't know they did as muchas I don't want them to win.

(55:21):
I just do.
I don't know as much as I don'twant them to win, because I
just don't want them to win,just for me, my selfish reasons.
I just don't want them to win.
But boy it sure as fuck.
Looks like that's what's aboutto happen.
It looks like they're about towin the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Thanks for adding to my day.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Oh, check the story.
I can't send stories just uh,take a look at that that is a
nice set.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Oh wow, it's a nice back too.
Yeah, she's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I know, I know it Like she is.
Is she a lawyer?
I?
I guess that's what she'strying to do.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah, no, she's, she's hot.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, man Stunner, stunner.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Like, like, not even like.
I mean I know I'm objectifyingher right now, but like, like,
not even like.
I mean I know I'm objectifyingher right now, but like I don't
want to get to know her for whoshe truly is.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Well, it's one of those things where you know when
you see a chick and they'relike you don't want to sound
like a dick rider or anythinglike that, but like chicks like
this are flawless.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
There's no holes in her game, unless her personality
really sucks.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
but like even that, typically you can get over that
you know, she probably has somecharacter flaws if she's like a
lawyer or a law school student,um, and she's that attractive
while also having what amonetizable fucking number of

(57:04):
followers.
Yeah, man, there's somethingwrong with her, but she's
gorgeous, man, she's a beautiful.
I think I sent you.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
There's only two chicks on Instagram that I
follow that are like not famousbut like just bad as and like
neither of them.
Well, the other one I've beenfollowing since like hey hey,
katie follows her oh, and I'msure she follows him back excuse
me, she follows kd.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
yeah, yeah, she follows, katie, excuse me, she
follows KD.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she follows.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
KD she only follows 230 people.
Well, I'm saying, kd probablyfollows her too.
Let's see, let's see.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
No, no, no no, let me just search it.
I don't know why I'm beingdifficult.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Easy.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Oh, no, no, no, it has your mutual.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, the mutual Joe.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Budden follows her.
Hey, Katie does follow her.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Blake Sims follows her.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I thought he only had 30,000 followers.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Willie Reed follows her.
Yeah, I see, willie followsfollowers.
Willie Reed follows her.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, I see Willie follows her you know who else
follows her.
Who Adam you.
She's beautiful.
It's a great follow.
I mean, no, I Let me tell you,beautiful women will motivate
niggas to get their shittogether.
Let me tell you, beautifulwomen will motivate niggas to
get their shit together Becauseit's like I can't even have a

(58:40):
legitimate chance in any realmif my shit's not 100% there.
Well, that's because you don'thave Shea Gildress-level
confidence.
Well, hold on.
Now I'll shoot a fucking shot.
Don't get it twisted, I'llshoot.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
But your shit's also together.
It ain't where it needs to be.
I didn't say that, but you,you're not a bum and you don't
present bummy.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Right, well, yeah, of course You're right, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
You got some stuff going for you that gives you a
base level of confidence inwhich to approach damn near
anyone in the right circumstancecorrect because, whatever you
may be lacking on the flack, theflex and fly shit you're
comfortable with or you canrationalize to a person who's

(59:37):
truly interested in you, exactlylike if a chick tried to shit
on me, like where I'm likecurrently living at right now, I
go.
Well, you know what?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
here's my rent well, and you're a homeowner too, so
not anymore.
Oh, you got it.
Good to go.
Yeah, we're sold.
Oh, good deal, good deal.
Yeah Well, regardless, you werea homeowner.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Yeah, like I'm a responsible adult, so like I'm
yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
And so, but a lot of people can't say that, and so
it's like nobody should evertalk about anyone, especially if
someone owns property.
What are we talking about?
You know what I mean?
Literally the most valuableasset, the richest people in the
world.
Bro, they got that shit fromreal estate.
It was all about who bought thefucking land McDonald's is a

(01:00:36):
real estate company.
Exactly, they're a real estatecompany.
Chick-fil-a real estate company.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Hey, let's buy this shopping center and then build
our thing here.
Yeah, but let's get back tohoops Shades the MVP, while
we're on the Western Conference.
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Indifferent.
I mean I'm understanding how hegot it, but again, like you
said earlier and like I said inthe text, we I mean I'm
understanding how he got it, butagain, like you said earlier
and like I said in the text, weknow that Jokic is the best
player in the league and we knowthat he had a better season,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
So, oh shit, hold on.
Jim Irsay just passed away,really, yeah, like I saw him
like on my Instagram feed and Ijust didn't pay attention to the
post.
And then I opened up ESPN tolook at to see what time the
game starts, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Was he at the fucking meetings and stuff that they
just had.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
I don't know, but I'm going to read the statement
from the Colts real quick.
We are devastated to announceour beloved owner and CEO, jim
Irsay, passed away peacefully inhis sleep this afternoon.
Jim's dedication and passionfor the Indianapolis Cubs, in
addition to his generosity,commitment to the community and,
most importantly, his love forhis family, were unsurpassed.

(01:01:50):
Our deepest sympathies go tohis daughters, carly Irsay,
gordon, casey Foyt, kayenJackson and his entire family as
we grieve with them.
Some of Jim's fondest memoriescame from his youth working
training camps in Baltimore andgrowing relationships with
players, coaches and staff whomhe considered his extended

(01:02:10):
family.
He worked in every departmentbefore he was named the youngest
general manager in team historyin 1984, when the occult
arrived in Indianapolis.
When he took sole ownership in1997, he led the Colts to a long
series of division titles andbrought the city its first Super
Bowl championship.
Jim's love and appreciation forthe NFL, in addition to its

(01:02:33):
history, tradition andprinciples, influenced him to
become a steward of the game.
Throughout his 50 plus years inthe league, jim's generosity
can be felt all overindianapolis, the state of
indiana and the country.
He made philanthropy a dailyendeavor.
He never hesitated to helpcountless organizations and

(01:02:55):
individuals live better lives.
Music was one of jim's, and theability to share his band and
collection with millions ofpeople across the world brought
him tremendous joy.
Simply put, he wanted to makethe world a better place and
that philosophy never wavered.
Jim will be deeply missed byhis family, the Colts
organization and fans everywhere.

(01:03:17):
But we remain inspired by hiscaring and unique spirit and I
really wanted to read thatstatement for one, to kind of
show the world that readingaloud is not the most difficult
thing.
Yeah, I stuttered a couple oftimes in my stutter.
But also, jim Irsay is a trueNFL lifer, a true NFL lifer, and

(01:03:46):
he is what I think the NFLshould look more like from the
ownership perspective.
Like, granted, he, he grew upinside of a franchise, so he had
the access early.
You know him being a ball boyand stuff like that, but working
in each department, trulylearning football, then becoming
a general manager and like,prove it to his dad, he deserves
the team you know.
And then taking over that teamand building that team and

(01:04:10):
rebuilding that team in his, inhis own image.
And I'm not saying he's beenlike the best owner, made the
best decisions, I'm not sayingthat, but somebody who truly
loved football and knew football, owning a football team, not a
guy who loves money, because I'mpretty sure ursa made football

(01:04:33):
decisions that may have clashedwith him as the CEO of the
franchise.
You know what I mean, right?
So rest in peace to Jim Irsay.
I know it's a sad day in Indy.
Any thoughts, comments on JimIrsay?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Yeah, rip.
I mean 65 is so young andcertainly when not that money
matters, Shit my mom is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Let me not tell my mom's age, but yes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah, it's young.
I mean I speak on my dad.
My dad will be 67 in July and,like it's just, that's young.
65 is pretty young.
And if they said he died in hissleep, that makes it pretty
interesting too, Especially thisafternoon.
Yeah, he died in his sleep.
That makes it prettyinteresting too, Especially this
afternoon.
Yeah, and he's.
I think everybody will alwaysremember him.

(01:05:24):
Of course, he's the owner ofthe Colts, but I didn't even
know that he was the GM but itmakes sense he inherited that
team from his dad.
All right, peter Jim Irsay.
I know that a lot of people,and certainly at least Twitter,
will always remember.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Now, what's the truth , though They'll always remember
him getting pulled over Because, think about it, he was driving
, I know, but let's leave, notright now, it's fresh, come on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
We got some class about ourselves on this show,
huh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Yeah, bro, you're acting like the reporters when
your favorite athlete passedaway and it's like this great
article about him and then theygot thrown out.
Well, there's nothing wrongwith what he did.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
It's just he was you know, that's different.
The Kobe thing.
That's trash to bring upsomething like that.
But anything that takes awayfrom who how great they are, the
legacy and who they are trulynot one dark moment in their
life, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Yeah, like no, give me a role.
If we decide in our NFL previewshow to go through like a gym,
a gym or say deep dive, cool,then we can hit it.
You know what I mean.
But like right now, we don't,we don't know who's going to see
this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Yeah Well, one way or another.
Rip to Jim Irsay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
RIP to Jim Irsay, but back to hoops.
Eastern Conference Finals, oris it on right now?
It's about to come on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
It's getting ready to start.
Yeah, I'll tell you, I 100%feel this way about this series
Go 7.
This shit's going 7.
It went 7 last year, it's going7 this year.
I think the NBA, of course,wants the Knicks to win it.
I can see the Pacers winningtonight.
Personally, they're deeper.

(01:07:17):
That's just going to be theKnicks' problem, the.
The next issue is their depth.
They just don't have it.
They've got two guys coming offthe bench.
One of them is a liabilityoffensively, the other one's a
streaky shooter.
They just don't have the depth.
But you know what.
That happens when everybodythat won your starting lineup
has over a $100 million contract.
So like that's going to be, youknow that's hard to do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Well, tibbs is the coach, so they deserve that
money because of how he's goingto play them.
Anyways, you might as well paythem that much because they're
going to play that much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah, they're playing .
I don't think anyone on thatteam doesn't play 35.
They all are 35-plus guys, andso minutes, not millions, but
minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
But they might be off 35-plus million too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
That might be what their contract says.
But, yeah, I think that theGarden's certainly a special
place.
Again, I've been to two gamesthere, and I was lucky enough
both times to be able to notfeel on the floor but have floor
seats literally both times thatI went to the game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Were you in the Joe Budden seats.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
No, so I'll tell you the first time I went to the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Did you hear the Fat Joe thing?
Mm-mm.
So Fat Joe and Jadakiss have apodcast, do they?
Yes, and it's on the volume.
Yeah, yeah, colin Cowhert gotsome 360.
The nigga Colin ain't playing.
He got Fat Joe and Jadakiss.

(01:08:46):
He got Club Shay Shay and hegot 520.
But anyways.
So he was talking you know, newpodcast, they got to do some
salacious shit to get peoplethere.
You know, new podcast, theygotta do some salacious shit to
get people there.
You know, yeah.
So he talked about the JoeBudden and 50 Cent thing and Joe

(01:09:11):
was sitting behind him.
So he talked about being feeton the floor, like in AA.
You know he can't.
He have to have his feet on thefloor.
He can't.
You know he can't.
He has to have his feet on thefloor, he can't be in them.
Joe Budden seats.
So yeah, you was in the JoeBudden seats.
Sure sure you weren't touchingwood.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Look, it doesn't matter to me.
You want to know who wastouching the floor when I went
that first game, Gary Vee Likethat's who the touching the
floor.
When I went that first game,Gary V Like that's who the fuck
was.
He was literally like two rowsin front of me.
Actually, we both did the nodBecause I was trying to make
sure it was him and I know hesaw me looking at him.
You know we just did the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Yeah, yeah, the way you're supposed to treat famous
people when you see themsomewhere where they're not huge
yeah, but they're not actuallylike being famous.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
You know what I mean yeah, and this was again a
bullshit basketball game.
The knicks sucked at the timeand so did the calves, so they
both were garbage teams.
I got the seats.
Crazy enough, man.
I got the seats.
Crazy enough, man.
I got them seats for like $250a piece.
I took me and my child's mother.
We went to that game, had afantastic time.
I met Mike Breen after the gameObviously all the Cavs, of

(01:10:29):
course.
Yeah, I got to meet him.
Yeah, I got to meet Mike Breen.
Your man's made you buy yourown tickets.
I could have got free tickets.
This is the issue.
So I could have got freetickets.
This is the issue.
I wanted to.
Once I saw I could get floorseats for $250.
He's given me tickets and stuffbefore, but I like to buy my
seats.
I was being an asshole being anasshole, but he does, I mean he
will, if I ask, he'll give metickets, but like I wanted to

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sit on the floor and then thenext time we need a courtside of
Hawks game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
I'd love to, I want to court side one of his games,
one of collins games.
Maybe we do that.
Yeah, like, and I mean he mightnot be a jazz next year, though
.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Huh that he might not be a jazz next year, though
yeah, and that's gonna affectthe price.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Yeah, well, I know right, that's kind of what sucks
, but hey but here's the shittything, right, right, and this
sounds so stupid, but like if I,whenever I go to a Hawks home
game and I get floor seats, I'vegot to buy a new pair of shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Everybody's going to be looking, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
You might be where the highlight happens.
You don't want to be in thatTikTok like it's some
bullshit-ass shoes gettingclowned.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, plus that's called what it really is.
Them floor seats are reallyit's almost like a runway.
In a weird way it is a fashionstatement.
It is the one time, becausebasketball games in general a
lot of times aren't aboutbasketball anyways, especially
Hawks games.
Hawks games are not aboutfucking basketball.

(01:12:03):
If you sit down there, themseats are not about basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Sports inside of 285, the two of the big three.
They're not about theenvironment itself, it's not
about the sport.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
It's about the culture being seen Right.
But I think if, like dog, if wego sit course at a Hawks game,
we're not going to be on no flyshit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
No, probably not.
I just it.
I I'd have on a nice pair ofshoes, like I'd probably wear
like my Nike Air Yeezys orsomething.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
I'm going to have on a nice pair of shoes and I'm
probably going to wear a fuckingquarter zip.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Hey, and then you're going to be one of those guys.
That's because you know theycome around with like candy and
shit down there, all that stuff.
You know one of the guys.
Everybody can just mouth whatyou're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
We're talking about it Friday, but I've hit this
point in my life where I'mrarely ever trying to be fly.
I'm going to be presentable inthe way that I'm dressed and
appropriate for where I'm going,but I ain't trying to be
flyable in the way that I'mdressed and appropriate for
where I'm going, but like Iain't trying to be fly, that
shit, that shit don't matter, itjust don't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Fly, shit only.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I mean yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, you'll put, yeah, you
would definitely put on yourNike Yeezys, which is okay to
wear.
Wear that doesn't have to beperfectly clean.
I would probably buy a pair offorces that day.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Just for the occasion .
Yeah, and then be pissed offthat I'm going to fuck them up
that night because we're notgoing to go back to the house
before we go out, because I'malready going to be drunk.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
It's a good call.
One thing I'll say about theKnicks, though with MSG, what
makes it so special?
So they have like a and I knowthe Hawks do too, but it's not
the same the Knicks with thefloor seats there's a whole
different area that only thepeople sitting on the floor can
go to.
I guess that's probably whereall the famous people fucking

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mix and mangle.
There was nobody famous ateither of the games I did it, or
at least nobody.
That was notable to me Becauseone of those games was on
Christmas Day.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
I remember you with Nick Hawk's Christmas Day
because I was like, look at thiscock here just putting it on
the table.
I'm mad as fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
I actually paid kind of a pretty penny for those
seats.
Those seats were like $700 apiece.
But the thing is I bought themso early.
I didn't buy them like the dayof.
I bought them early because Iknew that I was going to be in
New York for Christmas and thenit ended up everybody having
COVID so it was like it justsucked, like the game sucked.

(01:15:06):
The game was like fuckinggarbage.
It was one of the worstbasketball games I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
But $700 for tickets where you were sitting at that's
not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
No, it wasn't, it wasn't bad at all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
I remember one year you could sit Hawks-Court side
Hawks-Celtics for $500 a ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know MSG best place to
watch a basketball game and theNBA wants that on TV.
That's what they want.
They don't want Indiana andOklahoma.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
And they want it in the finals.
It's not good, bro.
I'm telling you, unless theyjust get so hot from three and
New York and Minnesota refuse tolike go to the basket, it won't
be OKC Indiana.
I'll tell you that much.
If Indiana thinks they have ashot of getting in, you've got

(01:16:05):
to go with Minnesota, because Ithink Minnesota is like the
number 13 market in the league.
And then you have the Ant-Man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Right, halliburton's not a guy.
He's the least marketable ofthe star players of each team.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
You know I'll tell you something funny about
Halliburton's not a guy.
He's the least marketable ofthe star players of each team.
So you know, I'll tell yousomething funny about
Halliburton.
Right, I was listening to CalHurd and Jason McIntyre today
and they were talking aboutHalliburton, and you know, white
people love Halliburton.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
I'm sure they do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
But like they also don't get why other NBA players
don't really like Halliburton,also don't get why other NBA
players don't really likeHalliburton.
And anytime I hear a mediapersonality talk about a guy who
they don't understand, whyplayers don't like him, I go
yeah, you don't understandniggas, because like niggas who,
or niggas in who, youunderstand why somebody don't

(01:16:58):
like Halliburton, they probablydon't watch ball.
Well, somebody who don't likeHalliburton, they probably don't
watch ball.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
well, somebody who doesn't like Halliburton well,
somebody that doesn't understand, they probably don't really
like ball anyways because forone his, his jumper is ugly.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Bro, you can't have an ugly jumper and and be taken
seriously, even if you got afire as jumper, bro, that's just
ugly, it's just like bro.
Why is this shit going in?
And he's not athletic, he's nota crazy scorer.
He light skin, good hair and hetalks shit.
But he corny like you.

(01:17:34):
Listen to him in his interviews.
You go now.
I hear his voice.
You can't talk shit to me inhis voice.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
If you were Ryan Clark, you would dare, would you
say that he's the RG3 of theNBA?

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
I mean, are you trying to take it there?
Are you just trying to jumpinto that topic right now?

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Look, we can.
What are your thoughts?
You say you like the Knicks, Ilike the Knicks, I like the
Knicks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
I think Knicks and seven.
I got Knicks and six, wolvesand six.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
I like Knicks and seven.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Knicks six looks different because I think the
Knicks might win today.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
I don't think that they beat them in any man.
They might trade games, but Idon't know I beat them in any
man.
They might trade games, but Idon't know.
I like Knicks in seven.
I of course want Timberwolves,but I just think OKC is going to
win the series.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
I just refuse to be objective with OKC.
I just don't like their team.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
I don't like their basketball operation.
I think they do a good jobthere.
But like I'm so tired of theMark Dagnall blowing the SGA,
blowing the Sam Presti Don't getme wrong, sam Presti's a great
GM and I know Ring, some wouldsay the best in the league Lee.

(01:18:58):
I can't call him the best inthe league.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
And why is that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
He hasn't won a ring and he's had teams good enough
to win rings.
Okay, he's not like Shit.
You can take the New York groupor you can take Tibbs, right,
mm-hmm, new York's front officehas not had a championship-level

(01:19:31):
team before, right, but they'vebuilt.
They've done a great jobbuilding out the roster since
they've taken over.
Yes, tom Thibodeau is a reallygood coach who hasn't won a ring
.
But has Tom Thibodeau reallyhad a championship-level team
and just like, oh, tibbs, shit,the bed, like his team, like

(01:19:55):
should have won a championshipand didn't?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Some would have maybe thought those bulls teams and I
say that not because they werebetter they were never better
than Miami but like, maybebecause Derek Rose and we know
he got hurt, but like he wasyoung.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
What they had.
Luau dang Joe Kim.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Noah, derek Rose, ben Gordon, Kurt Hirons Were they
were they both still there?
I don't think Ben was.
Ben might have not been there,but Kirk was.
They had Nocioni.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
They had a couple of guys on that team, but we also
know that Derrick Rose was tooyoung to win a championship
before he got hurt as the bestplayer, not saying that it
couldn't happen, but per NBAhistory.
That's why what Ant-Man isdoing right now is not really
getting the respect it deserves.

(01:20:42):
But at 23, being in his secondconference finals, and pretty
much since what year two he'sbeen in the playoffs For a
franchise that went to theplayoffs one time since 04.
It's actually crazy shit.
That's ahead of time.
It's ahead of where he'ssupposed to be in his career.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Here's the X factor Rick Carlisle is the only
championship coach in this FinalFour.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
And that matters, because Rick Carlisle is
actually a really good coach,like he coaches Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
But he coaches Exactly.
But see, that's part of thereason why, for me at least, I
don't know man, I could seeIndiana beating the Knicks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
No, I could see it too, like I mean, these niggas
are playing full-court defenseright now.
Yeah, and they play withself-defense, but Halliburton is
checking McHale Bridges, soyeah, and they play with.
Halliburton is checking McHaleBridges, so this should be the
McHale Bridges game.
So you brought up RG3 and RC,right yeah, but I think before

(01:21:51):
we get there, we should probablyget to the W, and the only
thing that we're going to talkabout in the W W besides Kelsey
Plum dropping 37 in her LASparks debut.
Get out the way, asia.
It's my turn now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
I was Kayla Clark in women's basketball before she
was.
I think people forget that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
But you know what that goes into this conversation
with the Kaitlyn Clark andAngel Reese thing.
Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reeseare easily the two most popular
players in WNBA history.
They're more popular than Asia.
They're more popular than SueBird, Diana Taurasi, Candice

(01:22:39):
Park.
They're more popular than Asia.
They're more popular than SueBird, Diana Taurasi, Candice
Park.
They're more popular.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
I don't want to hear your argument.
I don't want to hear you tellme that you cared 10 years ago.
Nobody else did.
And this is from somebody whocared a little bit, like I
followed women's basketball,like I know the stars, somebody
who cared a little bit.
I followed women's basketball,I know the stars.
Because of that, there's waymore conversation about the WNBA

(01:23:06):
.
There's more fans, which meansyou open it up for more nasty
stuff, more out-of-pocket stuff.
Now they're going to be onFirst Take being discussed.
They're going to be on all thesports shows.
Right, with more attentioncomes more praise, but also
comes more scrutiny.
The problem is too many peoplein the WNBA universe aren't used

(01:23:31):
to that level of scrutinybecause they haven't been talked
about like that as adultprofessionals People.
You know you don't talk badabout the college kids too much.
You keep it tame becausethey're still kids, right?
So now we have conversationsaround the WNBA and specifically

(01:23:52):
Angel Reese and Kaitlyn Clark.
They built this out to be birdand magic, but it's more like
bird and rambus.
You know magic and rambus orsomething like that.
Or bird and fucking DennisRodman, bird and Michael Cooper
yeah, like, let's just say theworm.

(01:24:13):
Let's say Dennis Rodman Stilldoing Hall of Fame level shit.
But come on, man.
And I also think that AngelReese's life is more aligned
with Dennis Rodman's becauseshe'd be outside, which there's
nothing wrong with that, there'snothing wrong with that.
Yeah, more celebrity, yeah butyou have all of this happening

(01:24:34):
and with that there's a lot ofpush back on the different
framing and the differentnarratives and the scrutiny
that's coming along with it.
But you and I know like this ispart of the game, like we both
on Saturday were either watchingor following that game, we're

(01:24:55):
texting about it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Right, I caught the second half.
Whenever the foul I saw thefoul live Like I about it.
Right, I caught the second half.
Whenever the foul.
I saw the foul live, I saw it.
It was such a bad call too, bythe way, that was a bad.
It was a take foul, it wasn't Idon't know.
That wasn't.
She shouldn't have got a flavorfor it and she shouldn't.

(01:25:17):
Angel Reese shouldn't have.
She shouldn't have got a flavorfor it and she should.
Angel Reese shouldn't haverealistically gotten up in her
face like that either.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Like hey, watch the video I just sent you on IG,
because it may change youropinion Now.
Me personally, I thought it wasjust a take foul.
She put a little extra oomph onit, but that's basketball,

(01:25:45):
doesn't that look like AI alittle bit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
I don't think that that was the foul.
It looked kind of AI-ish, don'tit?
Well, I just don't remember itlooking like this and again this
is also from a different angle,if you swipe over huh if you
swipe over.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
I don't remember if it's left or right, but it's uh
deandre drummond no, no, let mesee, never mind, it was just
another post.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
I like how somebody got somebody on this one of
these guys is winning theirfirst ring, and it's a picture
of OG Ananobi, pascal Siakam,dante DiVincenzo and Alex Caruso
yeah, why is Caruso and Siakamon there?

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
they all have won rings, but also they're not the
guys who get to make the poster,but they also have rings.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Yeah, they all have rings.
I think people forget.
Og Ananove was on the Raptorsteam.
Obviously Paschal was too.
Devin Shinzo was on the Bucsand Caruso was on the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Oh shit, All these things got rings.
I didn't even that's what I'msaying.
Somebody will look at it and belike I just missed the post
when I first saw it.
Once I saw Pascal and Caruso soI was like whatever I forgot?
Dante got a ring.
Yeah, they've all got.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
I forgot, Dante got a ring yeah they've all got one
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
But so, yeah, we both agree that it was a take foul,
shouldn't have been a flagrant.
But if you call the flagrant,whatever, let's move on.
But I think the response to itis what's the response to it?
Is the problem right?
Because there's a legitimatebasketball response and there's

(01:27:41):
a legitimate criticism that cancome with this, and then it gets
like super racy and nastybecause you know, cheryl Swoops
went and did her hating thisweek.
You know she had to do that.
Tell you what Gilbert Aramisknows how to produce a fucking
show.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
That's just about what she's turned into.
Anyways, though, it's justshe's upset that the WNBA
actually gets some viewershipnow period like just across the
board and her greatnessbasically isn't talked about
because nobody saw it, Becausenobody cares.
Yeah, nobody.
And they still don't.

(01:28:20):
But think about it Nobody stilldon't give a fuck about what
the WNBA was.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
If a tree falls in the woods, does it make noise?
I mean, obviously it does, butif you weren't there, to hear
the noise to you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
If you won multiple MVPs in a league that we didn't
watch, are you really in theGOAT conversation In all reality
?
Yeah, but you're never going tomake the conversation because
we didn't care and we didn'twatch it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
But still don't care.
That's the thing.
That's the other part.
Nobody wants to go back in.
You know how NBA TV will put uplike greatest games and stuff
like that.
Nobody's searching for CherylSwoop's highlights.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Nobody, I mean.
The comments don't even existanymore.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
There's that aspect of it too, and this isn't the
shit on Cheryl Swoop.
She's a great basketball player, she's just a hater.
But then we get Angel Reese inthe press conference, right,
very short, very snippy, and Ithink Gilbert Arenas made a
great point because he andCheryl they were going back and
forth on a conversation, right,and Cheryl was saying that

(01:29:39):
Angel's being painted as theangry black woman and Gilbert's
like, well, she's being theangry black woman.
And Cheryl's like, well, shehas reason to be angry.
And Gil's like, yeah, she does,but she's still an angry black
woman, like she's playing intothe narrative.

(01:30:01):
And Cheryl was saying Caitlinshould have stood on the file
and not walked away.
No, caitlin knew exactly whatshe did.
She, she take foul.
I'm going to give you a littleextra, but I'm going to walk
away Cause I'm not.
I'm not going to get nose tonose with you, cause that's not
my brand and a lot of thisconversation around these two
are.
It's really just about how youchoose to build your brand and I

(01:30:24):
think that Angel has taken anoff the court method towards
building her brand and beingmore celebrity than basketball
player.
Not saying that she's notcommitting to basketball, not
putting in the work, you knowwhat I mean, she's just more
celebrity than basketball player, whereas Kaitlyn Clark has kind
of carried herself as abasketball player and she's the
real reason why we're watching.
And I don't care that she'swhite, she's good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
She looks like a generational women's basketball
player to me, and not justbecause of what she did in
college, but because of whatshe's already doing in the W.
She's making it seem effortless, honestly, kind of like what
she's already doing in the W.
She's making it seem effortlesshonestly, kind of like what she
does Because she facilitates.
I think people forget she's notjust a shooter, she's a
facilitator.

(01:31:08):
She does all that and she's alittle bit taller than people
think she is because she's likesix feet.
Yeah, so she rebounds, whichthat is still in the women's
game.
Her being six feet, she couldbe a small forward, basically.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Bro and she's second.
She's second in the WNBA intriple doubles, triple doubles,
triple doubles.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Triple doubles.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
And she has the most games in WBA history, with 25
points in tennis.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
And she just started her second season.
I just think some of that isplaying two games.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
And don't get me wrong, some of it is style of
play, because she has the ballin her hands more than they did
traditionally, but also she'sjust mofi and that's okay.
And yeah, there are more whitepeople watching women's
basketball because of CaitlinClark, but there's also more
black people watching women'sbasketball because of Caitlin

(01:32:18):
Clark and there's also moreblack people watching women's
basketball because of AngelReese.
Like it's some black people outhere who are just watching Angel
Reese because she's Angel Reese, Nothing more, nothing less.
They're riding with Angel andthey don't even care about it.
They don't care about the factthat we got Steph Curry and
Andre Drummond being calledrivals, Larry Bird and Dennis

(01:32:45):
Rodman really being calledrivals.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, Like that's not realbeing called rivals.
Yeah, Like that's not real.
Yeah, the rivalry is realbecause of college and into the
pros, but like they're not thesame class of player.
No one's building theirfranchise around Angel Reese
today.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
But did you see RG3 and RC talk about this?

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
I did.
I saw, uh, rc's take on thepivot.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
And then I saw rg3's response and then I saw you want
me to play it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Yeah, you, you might as well give.
Give us a.
Uh, I forgot how long you don'thave to play the full thing,
but I know I sent it to youwithin the last 24 hours.
You didn't see that.
Did you see, acho, though?

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
No, I never got to see.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Acho Fucking hate, Acho man I mean he's bad, he is
bad, he's bad.
And then he tried to take itfrom the perspective of I'm
friends with both of these guys.
It's like we got a man that'stalking bad about a black woman
and then we got a black manbashing a black man.
What is this?
All Acho looks.
I already know what Acho saidto fuck Joy Taylor.

(01:34:06):
You can read this nigga's book.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Oh yeah, Strong Black Queen, all that bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Acho truly did come from the school of Oprah Winfrey
.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
He did, bro?
Why can't I find this Acho?
Well, I can't find the clip andI'm done looking for it.
But RG3 pretty much came outand said that Angel Reese
responded in the way that shedid because she doesn't like

(01:34:43):
Kaitlyn Clark, and he pointed atAngel Reese pushing Kaitlyn's
teammate in the back.
He pointed at different thingsthat have happened, like when, I
think, kennedy Carter fouledthe shit out of Caitlin Clark,
angel celebrated.
They also showed some stuff.

(01:35:05):
When Angel got fouled hard andthere was nothing about it.
Angel didn't get up, act at alllike she wanted to do something
.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
But it happened to you.
But they had Kennedy Carterthere to do that.
That's a full-blown bulldaggerthere.
That's a nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Did you see her kiss?

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
the tit, kiss the tit no.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Where she likes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
In Mexico she signed a chick a chick asked her to
sign her titty and then shesigned it and then she kissed it
Like the titty or the nipplethe titty.
Okay, yeah, I did not see thatyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
We saw that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
I'm curious as to why he's not in the W.
Still, he was like theirleading scorer.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
Talking to Wayne, who couldn't be here with us today
scheduled conflict, but we'regoing to get him on soon.
Since the WNBA started, he waspretty much saying that between
her personality and her style ofplay and what the W is today,
it just doesn't really work.
She's a bucket.
But her being a bucket doesn'tnecessarily make other people

(01:36:13):
better.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
It doesn't supersede everything else, basically.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Yeah, like she's an NBA six-man with uh, with like a
superstar's ego Based on like Idrew that from our conversation
, okay, um, but yeah, then uh,rc kind of responds not kind of

(01:36:38):
he responds on the pivot and hedidn't really attack rg3's
basketball argument at all.
He just kind of talked abouthow rg3 doesn't have these black
women conversations and thenhe's making this a black white
thing and and how he bigs upwhite women and and milk because
they work together and and youknow, rg3 has been married to

(01:37:02):
two white women and Ryan Clarkforgot about his white baby mama
, um, and he just did his RyanClark shit.
You know the whole race baiting.
I stand with black womenbullshit, yeah.
And it's not bullshit to staywith black women.
It is just bullshit in the waythat ryan clark goes about it,
because he's his mo yeah and hetreats black women as if they

(01:37:24):
can't stand up for themselves.
They're like, they're just thesehelpless beings.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
RC.
What do you?

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
think RAP to this point I'm going to respond to
some of the Ryan Clark shit andI'm kind of going to stand with
RG3 just a tad.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Well, and that's kind of maybe more how I feel, I
think that I get where RC wasgoing with it, but at the same
time, like I do think it wasinappropriate to bring up like
this wife and stuff like that.
Just it wasn't necessary inreality I slapped the out.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
You don't talk about my wife yeah, that wasn't
necessary.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Um, I don't think he can make that judgment call on
RG3 either just because he'smarried to white women, like
even if he didn't bring up, liketalk directly about his wife,
like you can't just say that andI get it, I know that they work
together.
So he's giving insight tosomething that we're not privy

(01:38:28):
to because of the personalrelationship that he had, but he
didn't have to something thatwe're not privy to because of
the personal relationship thathe had, but he didn't have to
say that.
I don't think that him havinghis basketball take of saying,
like RG3, saying she don't likeher, it appears that way anyways
, whether she does or doesn't,we don't know, but like it does
appear that way, it would appearlike she doesn't like her.
Yeah, the way that she's talkedabout it in the past, like I

(01:38:51):
mean, it makes total sense, Iguess is all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
And it was obvious that RG3 was trying to get a
reaction in his post.
But that's the game right.
And going back to the goodbrother Rob Parker, who called
RG3 a cornball brother, not thetype of guy that would go to one

(01:39:15):
of his Detroit barbershops Well, remember he asked if he was
really down with the cause.
Well, you got to understand.
Rob Parker is a nigga.
He owns barbershops in Detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
This.
Nigga asked if he was reallydown with the cause, though, but
you know what he really wantedto say.
Yeah, but just think aboutsaying that period.
I don't know if he's reallydown with the cause or not?

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
It was a nasty thing to say on TV back then.
Niggas would say it today, buthe wasn't wrong for what he said
.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
If he was really down with the cause.
He kind of did that shit with asmile on his face.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
Because he's talking to niggas and he's telling
niggas this nigga ain't no nigga.
But I can't say it on thiswhite man's network.
But I gotta let y'all know thisnigga ain't who y'all think he
is, because you know, niggas wasfucking with RG3 at Baylor.
Rg3 is really who made thecrazy dress, socks a thing.

(01:40:30):
He made that shit style.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Yeah, but the one sleeve too yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
But I'll tell you I didn't like what Ryan Clark did
at all, because let's talk hoopsand if you're going to shit on
Rg3 for being a cornball assnigga, there's ways that you
could word it that didn't bringhis wife into it yeah because

(01:41:02):
there's somebody who marriedoutside of my race and I talked
about this on the pod last night.
Bro, it was like a low-keyinsecurity for me at times where
people are questioning yourblackness and your commitment to
black people and being and it'sjust like dog.
Professionally, I'm in a jobwhere there's not many black
people and I'm an advocate forblack people in my job, as you

(01:41:25):
know.
Within, within what I'm allowedto do, like I ain't breaking
rules for niggas, but like if Icould help a nigga out, I would.
Right, I'm in the community, inthese schools, doing all this
stuff focused on black kids, andbut in my house I still have
these blackly blackconversations.
Even if my partner doesn'tunderstand what it's like to be

(01:41:48):
a black woman, right, I stilltalk about some of the stuff
that I hear.
I talk about some of the stuffthat I don't understand, and she
provides a differentperspective.
Right, she provides an outsideperspective on on how black
women can be perceived andmisunderstood, cause she's like
yeah, I see this.
I see that I don't think thisway, but I see that you know
what I'm saying.

(01:42:09):
The conversation isn't twoblack people discussing it and
you can't get into what it trulyfeels like, but you can still
speak based on your judgments,your analysis.
We didn't play pro sports, butwe talk about it.
We're not celebrities, but wetalk about pop culture because
we can take information andstill analyze it.

(01:42:31):
That was my biggest issue withwhat Ryan Clark did.
He pretty much just said hey,nigga, you can't talk about
something if you ain't did it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Ryan.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
Clark won't talk about basketball anymore.
Hey, ryan Clark, stop speakingup for black women, because you
ain't a fucking black woman.
You know what I'm saying, right?

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
I just think that shit's wacky Guess what, speak
it up for black women, becauseyou ain't a fucking black woman.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
You know what I'm saying, right, and I just think
that shit's wacky.
And guess what, bro, if you asolid nigga, you still gonna
talk about nigga shit, no matterwho's in your house.
My white friends, they've heardme say nigga.
I ain't heard them say it.
They've heard me say it.
You know why?
Because it's a word that I use.
So if you around me, in thatelement, that environment, nigga

(01:43:14):
, that's what you gonna get, andI might call you a
motherfucking nigga, even if youain't black.
You better not call me one.
But I don't know, I just Niggas.
Just be Ron Clark out heretweeting to get pussy and shit.
Like, oh, he's going to likethis.

(01:43:36):
I'm going to walk her back, I'mgoing to give her my jacket,
even though it's sprinkling.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Yeah, I'm going to walk her to the gate.
Ass nigga RC.
You know we met RC too.
That's the crazy thing.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
I bet he's a cool nigga when he ain't on camera.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
Yeah, RC.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
That shit is so lame bro.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Well, again, he took it too far, bringing up that
man's wife.
He didn't have to bring up thisdude's wife.
He could have said I disagree,I don't feel like he understands
, and kind of left it at that.
And everybody, you can have itup for open interpretation.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
I get it he was on his platform.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
It wasn't like he said this on ESPN or anything,
but yeah, just something thatdidn't have to be brought up,
especially over a take foul.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
They didn't really get to fighting either.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
It's not like you know what I mean.
It's a simple look, theywhipped their ass in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
Nobody talks about that part of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
They only talk about the foul.
What about the fact that theyjust got outplayed the entire
game?
What about man the Fever?
Sure do look good.
Them adding what's-Her-FaceAlyssa Thomas.
Yeah and Alyssa Thomas andfucking What's-Her-Face the
other girl?
Oh, the CEO fucker.
Well, you know, she hadn't evenplayed yet Somebody on Twitter

(01:45:05):
put up because it said she wasout, maybe like ankle or
something.
They changed it to head.
It was like, okay, put up,because it said she was out,
maybe like ankle or something.
They changed it to head.
It's like okay.
Uh, yeah, sophie cunninghamhasn't played yet, but speaking
of that, we might as welltransition into that, because we
kind of get out a little bit oftime.
Uh, what are your thoughts onthat?
Does it seem realistic?
A well, of course it seemsrealistic, but this is another

(01:45:30):
case of how the Joy Taylor thingwent, how this is being brought
into something that has nothingto do with what the lawsuit is
actually about.
It's just mentioned similar tohow Joy Taylor fucking Acho and
fucking other guy, the networkguy but she gets kind of thrown
into the crossfire and she'ssupposed to be getting ready for
basketball games, but she getskind of thrown into the
crossfire and she's supposed tobe getting ready for basketball

(01:45:51):
games.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Um, I think it's kind of.
I think it was unnecessary, butI think somebody is just trying
to make a point and I thinkit's improper for the CEO of the
organization to have sex with aplayer, but for the CEO of the
organization to have sex with aplayer, but Especially because

(01:46:15):
technically he's cutting herchecks, is what that is.
But I don't think his penisinside of her influenced enough
to where we should give a fuckabout it penis inside of her
influenced enough to where weshould give a fuck about it.

(01:46:35):
And I don't think that it was a.
I don't think that it was himmisusing his power to have sex
with her.
I just think they had chemistryand they fucked.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Well, he thought she was hot and she probably likes
money.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
And like the WNBA can only give you so much money and
like I mean like what she getspaid, because you got to
understand the Mercury and theSuns.
One ownership group.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
I mean whatever money we put over here we've set on
fire.
I mean whatever money we putover here we've set on fire.
So it's not like he could gether money in a contract that she
doesn't deserve, because Idon't think they really care
about the WNBA payroll.
They're writing it off anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Well, exactly, and let's be honest, it's really a
write-off for Adam Silver morethan anything.
And he knows how to make hisowners and CEOs happy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Bingo.
So he shouldn't have beenfucking her because he's her
boss.
But hey, man bosses fuck upsometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Well, it's really more so because they don't want
anyone else doing it.
That's the real reality of it.
I can't have other peoplefucking other people, but
actually you know what?
But that's not true either theConnecticut Suns didn't they
have two women?
Weren't they on the same team?
Yeah, they were fucking.
I don't think that that wasappropriate either.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
I mean.
They're peers, peers can havesex in the workplace, that's
okay.
But I'll tell you somethingI've been a boss and you know
what?
When you're the boss, you lookbetter to them.
Sometimes they look better toyou too.
Then sometimes shit happens.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
Yeah, I have never fucked any of my employees For
one.
A majority are men, but theneven the ones that were women, I
was actually just neverattracted to any of them.
There was one that actually didlook pretty good, but I never
went to that warehouse.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
Man, look, I had one way, way back in the day right,
I can tell the story now.
We had the same birthday andshorty had the onion you're not,
that shit was crazy Dumb onion.
And I ran into her at the clubone night.
So it wasn't even like on somework shit, I was just.

(01:49:18):
We just happened to be in thesame club and I saw how she
looked at me.
I was like, stop looking at melike you want to fuck me.
Fuck around and get fucked.
You said this?

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Yeah, you know this, yeah, you know.
That reminds me of that meme ofwhere the girl's playing
basketball and the boy's likeand he's like, he's like, he's
like quit.
He's like quit getting up on mybooty.
He's like I'm not getting up onyour booty.
It's like her like bagging herass up, like that's what that
sounds like to me but go ahead.
I mean shit, you were a part ofme being a terrible boss.

(01:49:56):
Aha, san Diego, is that whatwe're talking about here?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I blame youfor that night.
Don't blame me.
I didn't invite them, you did.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Nah, you should have taken a nap.
Then I would have taken a nap,the night would have gone
differently.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
I wasn't at home, I was out of town.
I don't take naps out of town.
I have to take advantage of my,in that case, probably 72 hours
or something like that, that Ihad.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Fair enough.
Do you care about Brock Purdy'scontract?
It's almost half time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
I think that he was overpaid in terms of, obviously,
what he is, but they didn'thave a choice but to pay him.
I mean, and for what it's worth?
Anyone that has his resumewould get paid that.
So I don't do.
I think that he's worth it interms of his skill set, no, but
like in terms of his resume,yeah, they had to pay him One

(01:51:08):
Super Bowl appearance, two NFCchampionships.
He's never had to truly care.
Last year was the first time inthe role of potential kind of
carry, and they were a mediocreteam basically.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
But the defense was super injured too.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
The defense was super injured and for what it's worth
of what?
How anyone wants to look atchristian mccaffrey.
He was still before saquon likehe was the highest paid running
back, so he was the best playerat the position.
Guy was down a good majority ofthe year.
What can you do about it?
like but, you know what?
I think that was his bestplayer and debo and debo was not

(01:51:49):
good Like Debo's, not goodreally like that.
And IU got hurt in week two,early I think, considering you
had what was supposed to betechnically your best receiver
go down early, certainly yourbest player went down early.
Your defense was bang the fuckup the whole year too.
They survived Like they werenot that bad.

(01:52:11):
Every game it felt like maybethey had a chance to win.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
I think he's worth that much to Kyle Shanahan,
though, because Kyle Shanahan,the quarterback whisperer
specifically Kyle Shanahan, thequarterback whisperer in San
Francisco yeah, he's notguaranteed the quarterback is

(01:52:40):
going to be good and win gamesbecause he's executing
Shanahan's game plan.
Shanahan gets a lot of creditbecause he's elevated
quarterbacks, but I think KyleShanahan more the overachiever

(01:53:11):
grinder, maybe not the mostphysically gifted quarterback.
So that's a quarterback who'ssmart enough to know to play
inside the system, because theykind of have to Like.
Even Matt Ryan right, is MVP,he didn't have the strongest arm
, is MVP, he didn't have thestrongest arm.
Matt Ryan is like the elitegame manager, right, hold on,

(01:53:41):
before you do all of that.
I don't think game manager is abad thing.
I think a true game manager isa quarterback who runs the play,
runs the plays, knows theoffense and executes based on

(01:54:02):
what the defense is giving andwhat the progressions are in the
play.
Right, that's who Matt Ryan is.
Right, that's who matt ryan is.
Your mahomes, your, your, your,your, your, your, your lamars,
your, your michael vicks, yourjosh allens, even like a baker,
mayfield, kyle, murray, these,these guys do things aaron

(01:54:25):
rogers outside of what is calledand what the progression says
because they have naturalabilities that elevate them
above that, like Peyton Manningand Tom Brady game managers from
my perspective, and notnecessarily like playmakers.
They make plays.
Yes, they're not playmakers,but like game manager is not

(01:54:49):
negative to me and I honestlythink that the best quarterbacks
are primarily game managers andfor peyton and brady they were
elite game managers, whereas themahomes, josh allen, they are
what my home specifically elitegame manager, but also elite
playmaker yeah, anyone that canimprov.

(01:55:12):
Well, I won't say PatrickMahomes is an elite game manager
.
He is a very good game manager,but an elite playmaker.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
He's got maybe the most gifted arm.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Yeah, and the best play caller slash play designer.
That's kind of how I look atthat.
But I mean Brock deserves thatmoney for the 49ers, but their
cap is fucked and they're notgoing to be good.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
And they just paid.
What's his face to the otherday?

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
They paid Fred Warner and they paid George Kittle,
like two weeks ago.
Like they're paying positionsthat are typically cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Right middle linebacker and tight end.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
Now they have elite guys at those positions and shit
running back too.
They have elite guys at thesepositions, but they're not
traditionally the positions thatyou have elite guys and pay top
dollar for, and OG just blew alayup.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Maybe it's that Knicks crowd.
What's the score?

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
48-45 Knicks.
Oh, oh, nicks are up, okay, buthey, let's close.
Let's close this shit out realquick with um, uh, uh, a final
time around the horn.
Uh, because around the horn, Ithink a very pivotal sports show
in our lives.
For sure, absolutely.
It introduced us to all ofthese different local big market

(01:56:40):
writers who didn't strive tojust go to ESPN every day.
Right, they still wanted towrite.
They still want to put outstories and cover their teams in
their market.
Right, they still want to putout stories and cover their
teams in their market BesidesSportsCenter.
I remember when the showstarted with Max Kellerman.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
Some people don't realize that he was the first
host.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Yeah, he was the first host.
I get it because.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Tony Reale did it for so long and he switched over to
PTI.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
Tony Reale was that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
He kept all their errors Like no, this is what you
said, but this is really whatit was.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
But he was the cute little intern in the back, the
little nerd that's working withthe old guys who've been there,
yeah.
But I just think it was a greatsports show and listening to
Reale talk about it on DanPatrick man, it's kind of the
last show of its kind.
We don't have sports showswhere sports reporters talk

(01:57:40):
sports without athletes gettingin the way, and I love athletes
and media and I loveathlete-driven media and I like
the blend of the two.
But I still also want to listento people who cover the sport
talk about the sport from theirperspective without the athlete
inserting themselves and thenlike almost shitting on what the

(01:58:02):
the analyst is saying because,well, I played, and then niggas
tuck their tail because youdon't have an argument for that.
So sorry, I've been long withit today no, you're good.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
Yeah, definitely was a show that, uh, you know they
have that meme of homer simpsonas a kid and then they show him
as an adult.
That's literally what aroundthe horn was for myself and I'm
sure you too.
And again, he brought up evengood one that a lot of people
don't remember that MaxKellerman was the original host
of that show, because Tony.
Reale, did it for so fuckinglong you kind of forget that he

(01:58:41):
was there.
And then that was when MaxKellerman left ESPN.
At first because he was onlythe boxing guy, but like um
Friday.
Night Fights yeah, exactly, andso um, and then he was with HBO,
but I guess he was back withESPN still doing, but like um,
friday night fights, yeah,exactly, and so um, and then he
was with HBO, but I guess he wasback with ESPN still doing the
HBO stuff too.
But like, either way, yeah, itwas definitely one of those
shows.
Again, it introduced you to somany different personalities.

(01:59:02):
I would never have known whoWoody page was.
You know what I mean Withoutthat show, because I don't check
in on Denver sports articlesand and he's great, yeah, he's
really good.
You know, obviously he's kind ofthe quirky grandfather because
he's got the board and stuff,but you get introduced to that,
I mean to me last day KevinBlackstone, michael Holly,

(01:59:27):
michael Smith, jamel Hill, pabloTorre, israel.
Gutierrez yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:34):
Like all of the top writers, sports writers I built
a relationship with them as theyaround the horn guy Shit,
jackie Mack, yeah, boston.
And you see them now, whetherthey're on TV or you may be
listening to a radio show or apodcast, and they're the guests

(01:59:55):
and you go oh, this nigga, thisnigga from back in the day, bo
Jones, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
Take a look at this, by the way IG, ig yeah, I gotta
string you out.
Let me tell you what this is.
Ig yeah, I got to straightenyou out.
Let me tell you what this isabout Think about that.
Okay, you got to sell this.

Speaker 1 (02:00:16):
Those comments are going to be fired up the nets
more than anybody else.
Yeah, but this is my point, sothink about it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
You don't think Jason is going to come out.
These guys are going to befired up the nets more than
anybody else.
But it goes deep.
It just goes to show too howpopular that show was and it got
so many people on.
I mean again, like Jameel Hilland Michael Smith, I know a lot
of people didn't like their takeon SportsCenter at six, but

(02:00:43):
they don't get that opportunityif the people aren't familiar
with them because of that show.
They don't get his and herswithout it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
And shout out and numbers never lie but shout out
to what they did with the 6o'clock SportsCenter.
I personally did not like itbecause I don't go to
SportsCenter for that.
But some niggas saying, hey,y'all gonna give us the flagship
show to network, we're gonna dothis shit the way we wanna do

(02:01:12):
it and we're not gonna codeswitch.
Now it didn't work.
But just the fact that theystood on being niggas and they.
Obviously, when you have thatshow, if you lose it, you still
fall on your feet.
So I don't know, but I thinkthat's dope.

(02:01:36):
And yeah, man dang, I didn'trealize how many personalities
until we started talking it outthat around the horn gave us
light to.
And now bro jay adande writes alakers book.
I'm probably gonna get theaudio book and listen to it

(02:01:58):
because I know how plugged in heis with la and I know you know
what this is worth my time yeahduring that dynasty, the ko Kobe
Shaq.
Yeah, yeah I mean, but he'sstill in LA now writing so like
or like a Bill Plasky.
But anyways, paul AP, billPlasky, the game's on.

(02:02:22):
I know you want to get to itAnother great week.
Tell Mr Turner I say hello.
Wish I would have known furtherin advance than I was trying to
make accommodations.

Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
Totally understand it .
I will send your regards and,yeah, another great show.
Man Can't wait to get therenext week.
Alright, dog, I'll holler atyou.
Alright, brother, salutations,good people.

Speaker 1 (02:02:45):
Yep.

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