Morehouse Men: How Atlanta's HBCU Culture Shapes American Conversations

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But like even when I just went to Six Flags, I
pressed the button, by the way.
Oh, but even when I went to SixFlags, like yeah, yeah, like it
just makes sense, martyr issmarter.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Absolutely.
And your great mayor, AndreDickens, you know he's out here
trying to promote this greatcity of Atlanta and the great
things that the city has tooffer, and I think Martyr is at
the top of the list.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Right, there's like one more just sitting here.
Hold on, I mean, keep talking.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I mean, you know, I did not have an intro for
today's show.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well then, how are we doing?
That's the best way to do itGot it.
Got his ass.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Not too bad man.
How are you doing today?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
We're doing pretty good.
You know, this is what oursecond week in a row now doing a
Thursday.
Yeah, you know, getting starteda little bit earlier too.
We're doing better.
Right, we're doing better.
Yeah, getting started a littlebit earlier too.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
We're doing better, right, we're doing better.
Yeah, you know what I didforget that we do want to talk a
little W today, not to open theshow, because we want people to
watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
It's not terribly important anyways.
There's no Caleb Clark.
I mean we're being honest.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
There's no Caleb Clark.
Well, we've got to talk aboutDejanay Carrington and them down
by the pool on Instagram Live,drunk as hell.
The night before they got theirasses trounced but Paige went
off for 35, and why are Paigeand Enrique telling y'all to go
to sleep?
And why are y'all on FacebookLive or Instagram Live?
Y'all are lucky that you arethe WNBA and you're lightly

(01:47):
covered, because if you were NBAplayers, doing this first take
would have led off with you.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Well, but they're not .
So that's why they did it,because they knew that it
wouldn't cause that much stir.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Like the local beat writer maybe, but like you know
that's what I need for Socialmedia will talk about it, but
like you, know that's, that'swhat I need.
Social media will talk about it,but like but that's what I need
the league doesn't even carebut I need for angel Reese fans
to like understand that that theway this mass media works is
things get covered when peoplecare about it, which is why

(02:20):
angel Reese gets covered the waythat she does good and bad.
Oh because I mean when she putsher, when she puts her ass on
display.
Yeah, or when she has a greatgame, like she did against the
New York Liberty right.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Didn't they lose by 20-something still?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I said, she had a great game.
She's not on a good team, shecan only do so much, so was that
the first time that sheactually had more points than
misses in a game this seasonprobably.
You know I haven't kept up withher game logs.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, because it's nothing to keep up about.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I wouldn't say all of that.
She's averaging like nine agame 12.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I wonder what her plus or minus is.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, her plus or minus is irrelevant, because her
team is so bad that everybodyon that roster who gets any type
of playing time has a negativeplus or minus.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
They almost made the playoffs last year, though.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, and they got rid of arguably their best score
and they fired their head coach.
They did.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's true.
They did get rid of their bestscore, which is stupid.
Kennedy Carter's bulldagherself should be on the team
still, but instead she's gettingbuckets in China I think.
I looked up and she had like a50-point game.
No, she's in like Mexico.
She's like Mexico.
Oh well, I think she had like a50-point game or something.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know, just casual .
But the point being is that,like when you're somebody who's
good or who has expectations,somebody who's popular, you're
talked about, but nobody reallywants to talk about Dejanay
Carrington and what she's doingthe night before a game, and
then they go out there and getthe shit beat out of them.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, their shit just gets pushed in.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, it's not because Angel is a black woman,
it's because she's popular andthat's how these companies make
their money, which is then howshe makes her money off the
court.
Because that popularity thatthey show their ad people from
talking about her.
That then also goes to herpeople.
She says look how manyimpressions we get when people

(04:20):
see my names, so you can pay methis amount of money to sponsor
my podcast like I just wanted tobe very cool, you know.
But you know we understand itbecause we we understand sports
and sports media.
But the angel reese fan basedoes not understand how sports
media works and the fact thatshe is so popular.
She is going to be scrutinizedand she's also going to be

(04:44):
praised and it may seem likethere's more hate than love, but
it's not because you don't getthat much attention if it's not
that much love that's true.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
I just think that the thing with angel reese is it's
not about basketball.
Like basketball really is likethat is not even her nine to
five low key.
Her nine to five is everythingelse.
That is the side gig.
The basketball is the side gig.
She gets extra money for doingthat.
She makes way more money offthe court and shout out to her
for doing that.

(05:14):
Like I won't.
I'm not disrespecting it ornothing, but she's not a good
basketball player.
Like that's the truth of it andher fans aren't really her fans
.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
They're fans of the personality, not the player.
But hold on.
Basketball is the side gig, butshe doesn't get those other
gigs.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Without being a basketball player, I understand
that.
I almost want to cross-examineher and cross-reference it to
somebody else in sports.
Heard like and cross-referenceit to somebody else in sports,
right, somebody that is waybigger than what their on-court
field tells us, right?

(05:53):
Like, yeah, kyle kuzma.
And he's somebody like he makesmore money, of course, on the
court because he just gets youknow, nba players just get paid
a lot, but, like, I think interms of his popularity, of what
people think of him is moreabout because he's getting
married to Winnie Harlow orwhatever he's on the scene, he's
a light-skinned guy into thefashion, so he's popular.

(06:16):
Correct he dresses.
You know what I mean.
He's not popular because he's agreat basketball player.
He's an okay basketball player,but he's a great basketball
player.
He's an okay basketball playerbut, like he's a champion, sure,
sure, sure.
On whose coattails?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
He played with LeBron Anthony Davis, javale McGee,
dwight Howard Ray, john Rondo,alex Caruso.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, a lot of reputable players.
Some would say one of them isthe greatest of all time.
The other one is on the NBA'sAll-75 team.
The other one should be on theNBA All-75 team.
The other one, you could argue,is a borderline Hall of Famer
in Rondo.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Rondo should get in.
You know he might not, though,but it's wrong, because if you
think about point guards fromhis generation, he is just.
He can be in that conversationwith all of them, like
especially at his peak, the 2010.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but the
2010 the last thing is he hasthe most rings too.
The 2010 Celtics team.
Right was when he kind ofreally started to take over that
team, because if you remember,like everything up until KG and
Paul Pierce got traded to theNets, he kind of was the best
player on the team.
They lost Ray Allen, yeah andhe kind of became the best

(07:43):
player on the team.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
he kind of became the best player on the team.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah, and remember what he did in New Orleans with
AD and Boogie right, a team that, if Boogie doesn't get hurt,
you know we're talking a topfour team in the west yeah, like
they could have made theWestern Conference Finals and
like yeah they could have had a.
Memphis Grizzlies type run likeone of them grind Memphis
Grizzlies-type run like one ofthem grind Memphis Grizzlies

(08:07):
teams.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Look, just think about having to play like being
a guard and your matchup isRondo and Drew.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
That was it.
Who was the?
Byron Scott wasn't the coach.
Who was the coach of that team?
Do you remember Was LionelHowell there?
Eric Scott wasn't the coach.
Who was the coach of that team?
Do you remember Was LionelHowes there?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
What is that that's like the 2015 Pelicans, the ones
that beat Dame Lillard.
No, I would just say whichPelicans beat Dame Lillard.
You got ChatGPT on your phone2016,.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Huh, I'm Googling it.
I mean, you got ChatGPT on yourphone 2016,.
Huh, I'm Googling it.
I mean, yeah, chatgpt probablymakes the most sense.
It's way faster.
Okay, it's not 16, so it's 17.
But I felt like seven becauseBoogie joined the Warriors the
next year.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It's 2017.
It's 2017.
They lost to the Warriors inthe semifinals.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, they beat the Blazers.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
They beat the Blazers in the first round.
I want to make sure God, what astacked team.
Just going back and looking atthis Seriously, I'm going to go
down.
You remember Omar Asik, thenigga.
He played on the Rockets.
He was on the team.
He was on it.
Tony Allen's on this team.
Cousins, jordan Crawford was onthe team.

(09:28):
Sheck Diallo Like these arenames.
I remember Solomon Hill, drewHoliday, obviously, nikola
Miritich, I remember him.
Etiwan Moore was a starter onthis team.
They had Jameer Nelson on thisteam.
Emeka Okafor was on this team.
Rondo Is this the same JoshSmith?

(09:50):
This can't be.
Josh Smith was on this team atone point.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Smooth, he wasn't that long.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Wikipedia's a liar.
Nah, it's just.
It's probably some other nigganamed Josh Smith, but they
tagged his, but I don't rememberJosh Smith ever playing for
them.
But those are your guys, though.
I mean solid team, low key.
I mean they won 48 games, butthe coach was Alvin Gentry.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, who did I say Lionel Holland, alvin Gentry,
they're like one and the same.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
They kind of are like the same guys.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, they look like the janky nigga off of
Barbershop.
That's what they remind you of.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yes, the guy who's in ATL, yeah, yeah, yeah, fucking
Nunu's dad that had the Picassoat the crib.
Doesn't he remind you of anaffluent black man in Atlanta?
They perfectly casted him inthat movie.

(10:57):
He fits the black people inBuckhead that have kids that are
, like you know, attractivechildren.
Like whatever he did, he's likegood at what he did, or
whatever.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
You know they cast that movie really well.
You could tell that Atlantapeople.
You could tell it's TI's movieLike somebody who really knows
Atlanta culture.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Well, and having the one homeboy from new york
because think about it growingup there was always some nigga
from new york.
Like my best friend inelementary school was from new
york and like there's always thenew york, there's always like
the nigga that's from new york,like he's from new york.
He really grew up in the southbut he's from new york he's from

(11:44):
new york.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
He goes back every summer and stays at his
grandmama's house so he can keephis accent.
He swear he's from.
Like nigga, you're from here.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, you're from Georgia.
Like bro, you've been goinghere since third grade.
You're not from New York, youwere born there, Okay cool.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
But you're from here.
Like that was chicago, likethat too.
You know what I'm saying.
Like move from the shy detroit,go back and see that grandmama
once a year and swear that'swhere they from.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Just like, no, bro, you bust your first nut here,
man right, and I tell you thatthat's a good way to look at it
too.
Where'd you bust that first nutpause, you know?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
yeah, unless you're like josh holsey and you're a
military brat, where it'stotally different, like like
because you're just movingaround so constantly, but like,
when you like go ahead, go ahead.
Like like for me, right?
I was born in hawaii, spent mynext three years in california.
If you ask where I'm from, I'mfrom Cartersville, I'm from

(12:45):
Georgia.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
It's so funny.
You were born in Hawaii, bro,hey my dad was active duty.
You don't think that's funny?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, I think what's funny is that You're?
Hawaiian.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
You know you should.
I don't want to give out toomany secrets For what we have
planned coming up.
You should like, instead of ACLee, why not Hawaiian Lee?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Hawaiian Lee.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
You two want me to start wearing Hawaiian shirts up
here.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Or AC, the Hawaiian I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
What about Aloha Lee?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Aloha Lee, that works too.
Mahalo Lee, I mean.
Whatever you want to do, youknow.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
And then you know what, and then maybe, like one
day, I can have some like huladancers In the background.
Have them just working themhips and gyrating and shit yeah
that would be beautiful.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
We could play Neon Guts by Lil Uzi and just have a
DJ repeat.
You've never been in Kahlua,you know what I mean.
It's like you, oh man.
You could even get a Nico theRock type tattoo.
Get one of those, the Tribals.
We're not going that far.
Why not?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I would tap into my half New Orleans culture before
I do that, pull a whole Creolecourt out there.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
You don't want to do that, because then you have to
wear Saints gear.
We're not a Saints podcast.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
You see what's on my chest today.
I walk around like I got an son my chest.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, now look, I love your dad's uh saints jacket
though, because it's just aclassic fly.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
It was just a fly jacket I, I couldn't, I couldn't
wear, even on no fly shit me.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Neither isn't that weird.
I tell you what isn't thatweird.
Like I will wear almost anyother sport I could.
I honestly I don't care how flySaint shit is and I like their
uniforms.
I don't think I could ever wearSaint shit Like, ever Like, in
any capacity.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I don't think I could wear anything Alabama or
Florida.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
I could, I could do it.
I mean I have the SEC Tennesseehat.
I mean I know obviously you'rea Tennessee alumennessee alum
now, but like at the same time II'm not and I'm a big georgia
fan, like my retainer, likeafter I got my braces, like I
had a georgia retainer.
My doc uh, orthodontist was a,he went, he's a uga grad.
Like I love georgia but like Iguess, because I didn't go there

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, I just kind of am like andit's just.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's just's just.
Alabama and Florida right, Icould put on some Ole Miss gear.
I don't know about SouthCarolina either, because of an
old ball coach.
I just kind of hate him andeverything that he's touched.
He's not Sean Payton, though,you know, but it's not even more
of my Georgia fandom.

(15:44):
It is my hate for those evenmore of my Georgia fandom.
It is my hate for thoseinstitutions fueled by my
Georgia fandom.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Right, it's different with college.
College is different.
If it's fly, I'll wear it, butfor the NFL, I guess, because
the reality of life is this.
I'm a big Lakers fan too, butniggas are real Through and
through.
I'm a Falcon at the end of theday.
I can't get down.

(16:11):
I wouldn't wear no Saints shit.
I have a Panthers jersey, Imean a Panthers jacket from
their inaugural season that wejust had but I don't wear it.
I'm not a Panthers fan Like Idon't you know, I can't the Bucs
like there's no Buccaneers shit.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I ain't gonna hold you.
If I could get my, if I got myhands on like a creamsicle Bucs
like starter, whether it'sjacket or hat, I'd wear that.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
They're more appropriate.
The Saints are just a no, butthey're just the biggest Like we
just can't do the Saints.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, like I mean because you know niggas fuck
with Warren Sapp and John Lynchand Rondé Barber and Derrick
Brooks Warwick Dunne he was downthere all the time, like there
were Buccaneers players that youlike, keyshawn you know what I
mean.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
I still have a ticket upstairs in my little treasure
chest thing of the day.
Michael Vick got hurt in a gamein 2002 against them and I
wrote the score on the back.
I have the original ticketstill from 2002.
We lost 20-6 against them atthe Georgia Dome and I still
have that ticket to this day.

(17:26):
It's unbelievable the FalconPhantom and how that stuff comes
together, which I guess maybewe can even kind of create that
Real quick before you go there.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I want to tell you a funny story about a ticket.
All right, because obviously Ihave a mess behind me, right,
okay?
and and like sure, uh, but I wasunpacking some, I was unpacking
this room and like looking forall, like looking for this stuff
, and I found this ticket fromthis navy ecu game and I don't

(18:03):
even know why I kept the ticket.
But it's ironic now, 10 yearslater, that I have that ticket
because that was the day I metLowe's godfather Okay, and I
didn't remember his name, didn'tremember what he looked like
because I was obviously blitzedout of my mind that day, but I

(18:25):
just remember meeting Duke'scool ass nigga, and I ended up
walking around with this niggalike all day long, and then we
meet up in Bahrain and then westart talking and we put two and
two together and I realizedlike he remembered me and I
remembered like, oh you, thenigga I was kicking it with that
day at Navy.
Oh shit, that's great, yeah.

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So just thinking about asentimental ticket, so a little
deep.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
You said what now though?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
What do you want to pivot into?
That was a little deep.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
We can pivot into, you know, falcons first.
Right, we do have a littleFalcons news here.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
It's ridiculous, that's all right, we are all
here to do what Falcons do Riseup.
There we go.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, Falcons-wise, Kirk Cousins came out to the
media this week.
He showed up to mandatoryminicamp.
He's not fighting it, he'sembracing it.
He is the backup of the AtlantaFalcons and it's not only a
good move on his end because hewon't get fined and lose money,
but it's a good look becausethere is no place for him to go.
His market dried up as soon asAaron Rodgers signed the dotted

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line with the Steelers.
Somebody is bound to go down,because it does happen.
Somebody could get hurt andthat could maybe reopen it or
even at some point before thetrade deadline it could happen
again.
But he should be happycollecting his $27.5 million
guaranteed this year to back up.
And again, fingers crossedbecause we want Michael Penix to

(20:14):
be healthy.
But at the end of the day,Michael Penix has a history of
injuries and this is his firstfull year starting.
There's a chance, who knows?
I'm not saying he'll go out forthe season, but what if he gets
hurt for a game or something?
Right?
Kirk Cousins is the best backupin the NFL to have because he
is a starter.
He's one of the there's 32teams.

(20:34):
He's one of the 32 bestquarterbacks in the NFL.
Still, he threw for 500 fuckingyards last year in a game.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
He's not a backup, but he's our backup and I'm
happy to have him he todaybecause he could be healthier
than he was last year.
Right Should be healthier Today.
He could be better than MichaelPenix.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Possibly.
I mean, if he's 100% healthy.
He was not 100% healthy lastyear.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
No, no, no, I'm just saying, maybe that's an
organizational fail was not 100%healthy last year.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
No, no, no.
I'm just saying Maybe that's anorganizational fail, but like
he wasn't, healthy last year.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
No, no, no.
I'm just saying like there's apossibility, like if they
actually went into camp in anopen competition, that Kirk
could beat out Michael Penixtoday.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I hope not.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I hope that's not the case.
But if he's healthy and he waswho he was before the achilles,
that's that doesn't.
That's not a shot at michaelpennix, right, and part of him
being better is just he'sexperienced, so some things are
muscle memory that pennix hasn'tdeveloped yet.

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You know what I mean yeah it'smore of his floor is higher and
there's certain mistakes he'snot going to make to where he
could just win a competition,just like I think in Cleveland.
Joe Flacco is winning thatcompetition, even if Shador or
Dylan Gabriel or Ken Picketthave a great camp.
You know Joe Flacco, he's 40.

(22:01):
He's just seen too much and hehas a better arm than all three
of you combined.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
And he took him to the playoffs two years ago.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
And he has a whip.
Yes, did you see Chris Sims'top five quarterbacks in the
league.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
No and I know, he does this every summer because
pro football talk.
It's funny.
I used to love watching profootball talk.
I don't even check in on themanymore.
I'm more of a Rich Eisen guy.
I like watching Rich Eisen.
He gets great grass.
Obviously they don't just talkfootball either.
Florio and Sam, they lost astep.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, I mean Sam's in his quarterback evaluation
stuff.
Yeah, I mean sam's and hisquarterback evaluation stuff.
After driving to georgia and heand him, and he put zach wilson
above trevor lawrence and hesaid this is not a hot take
because I'm a guy who wants towork for an organization.
This is my true evaluation ofthe two and it's like okay,
sam's, I'm done with you, buthere's his top five quarterbacks

(23:04):
in the league Lamar one.
Josh Allen two.
Joe Burrow three.
Mahomes four, jaden five.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Now this is obviously for the upcoming season and not
who he really thinks the best.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I didn't hear it in context, it's just that Nick
Wright was responding to it andyou know, nick Wright, he's a
Kansas City guy, he's a PatrickMahomes guy and there's no way
in hell in his brain that youcould say that somebody is
playing quarterback better thanPatrick Mahomes, which I think

(23:41):
is false, although PatrickMahomes is winning Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Pat wasn't top five last year as a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
No, like Joe Burrow played better quarterback than
Patrick Mahomes last year, joeBurrow just was on a worse team.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, I'd rather.
That's why I guess theserankings they're always going to
be subjective.
But what is the true ranking ofit?
Are you ranking, coming intothe season, who you feel like
has played the best?
What is your criteria?
Because obviously it's notgreatness.
Right, that isn't what it is.

(24:18):
No, because my whole point isgreatness.
But if your ranking is based onhey, my team is down two,
actually down four, and it's aminute 30 left and my team's got
the ball in the 20,.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Who do I want?

Speaker 1 (24:33):
driving the field.
We know that that list isn'ttrue.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
But that's also not fair, because what if the reason
why you're down is because youhaven't been able to sustain
drives throughout the game?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
And I'm a quarterback .

Speaker 2 (24:51):
No, but I'm saying maybe it's not because your
defense sucks.
You have not had a greatoffensive rhythm.
And yeah, you, you can, you,you end up having the great,
you're good in the clutch.
But what about a guy like AaronRodgers, who typically just
beats you before the fourthquarter starts?
You know what I'm saying?
Like he doesn't have as manycomeback wins as a lot of
quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Because he's the Oklahoma City Thunder, they blow
teams up.
He was beating teams, exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
So, like when we're talking about who's the best
quarterback, I don't want toconfine it to who's the best in
the clutch, because somequarterbacks may not be as good
in the clutch, but they alsodon't make the decisions that
lead you to having to be in theclutch, and I think that's a
positive trait.
That's fair too, I tell youwhat then?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
OK, then I wouldn't use it that way If I had to
start a quarterback for a game,and it's not about one drive but
if I had to start a quarterbackand it's not about one drive,
but if I had to start aquarterback, let's do a season.
Who does the most with the leastis really kind of how you can
actually contextualize the wholething in reality.

(25:55):
Who can do the most?
I mean, bro, here's the thingMahomes' receiving core has been
pretty pedestrian.
I mean, if we're keeping, itreal he's had a pedestrian-ass
receiving core his whole careerOutside of Tyreek Hill and he
had, of course, prime Kelsey,but last year Kelsey started to
fall off two years ago.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
But he also has had pedestrian not pedestrian, but
he's had.
In Mahomes' world, in elitequarterback world he's been
pedestrian.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
And his running game hasn't been great.
Like they got kareem hunt offthe, the, the couch, uh, and
even the year before that withpacheco.
Pacheco is the seventh roundpick.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
You don't expect him to do what he does like but I'm
just saying but, mahomes, ifyou're watching him play great
in the clutch, but he's notputting up the big numbers, he's
not looking like the samequarterback because of you know,
when he has lesser talentaround him and his defense is

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really fucking good.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
So they're winning.
The last two years they've beengood, but they weren't good
before.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
But that's when Kelsey was still in his prime
and that was, you know, likefirst year.
No, tyreek, you know what Imean Like.
But like the defense, likeMahomes and them don't score in
the 30s, no more, these niggasscore 22.
So, like you got to make sureyou put that defense into that
conversation when we're talkingabout which quarterback we want

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to have and who's doing the mostwith the least.
Because yes, mahomes is doing alot, he's doing enough with a
little, but his defense is alsodoing a lot, too with a lot, so
there's less required for him todo.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
This is true.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
And look go ahead and where I would say and I'm not
saying I'm going to take, Iwould take Lamar in this.
I think up until this pastseason, lamar had been
offensively hamstrung by hisfront office and his and his
coaching staff.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
His weapons are better.
In my opinion, he's got betterweapons.
He's got Derrick Henry, which Iknow that was his first year.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm saying until this past season, right, but
pre-Derrick Henry.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, but it was a rookie's day flowers.
I mean Mark Andrews pretty good, tight end.
Bateman's a first-round pick Tome.
He doesn't live up tofirst-round pick.
His numbers don't say he's afirst-round pick.
Like he's not to me, he doesn'tlive up to first-round pick.
No, His numbers don't say he'sa first-round pick he looks more
like a third-round pick.
But like I'm just saying I don'tknow.
And Andy Reid's a better coachthan John Harbaugh.

(28:34):
I mean, he's from his tree butlike, at the same time, if you
look at Harbaugh Harba, he's atop-five coach in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
But he's not an offensive genius where Andy
Reid's an offensive genius.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
So Patrick Mahomes is also learning and Munkin's
clearly a good OC on any level.
He's just a good offensivecoordinator Until the playoffs.
Yeah, but you can't fault himfor two years ago when Dave
Flowers fumbles at the goal.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
You can't.
I can fault him for giving upon the run as early as he did.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
When the game was still in hand, there was still
plenty of time and Kansas City'soffense wasn't cooking.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well, he did it against Buffalo last year too.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Exactly that's why I'm saying that's where I can
fault Munkin, because I wasgoing to get to the Buffalo game
, because he has a track recordof deviating from who he is.
If it does not work in theplayoffs immediately, it's like
nigga, you're a run-first team,you might have three bad drives,
but if your defense is holdingup, you're down seven or you're

(29:51):
down ten and like they scored ona fluke-blown coverage.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Or a pick six, like something random.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, like it's not like they're kicking your ass.
They had a big playoff of agood kick return and then like,
but the the three points, yeah,we fumbled and then the defense
held and then they kicked three,but they had the ball in in
plus position anyway, so we'regood.
Like, yeah, we're down 10, butwe can run the ball on this

(30:19):
drive and only be down and like,like, get seven, like let's not
just start throwing that bitch.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
All these offensive guys, they overthink these
situations.
I mean we saw it firsthand withKyle Shanahan.
They like just startoverthinking, especially because
football is a game of downsright, it's situational,
everything depends on how it'sgoing, the weather, I mean
there's a lot of differentthings that could be at play in

(30:45):
a football game.
But like I think that a lot ofthose guys they overthink it and
it doesn't take away from theirbody of work as play callers
either.
Like that's why Munkin is stillthere.
Like you don't overreact andfire him.
That's why Kyle Shanahan hasbeen the coach of the 49ers.
Like nobody overthought itbecause he blew a Super Bowl two

(31:07):
technically with his play call.
Actually three, if you want tobe honest.
They kind of blew that otherone too.
But I got something on Kyle,though I know you don't like
Kyle.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Well, but here's the thing.
Right, here is the beauty ofBelichick the head coach, bill
O'Brien.
Charlie, what's his fat ass'sname?
Charlie Weiss, josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Stop getting fucking cute.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Matt Patricia, not fucking.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Well, he was an OC.
I'm just saying about the guysthat call the offense.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I'm talking about when they were playing football.
That mattered.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Okay, tom Brady, football yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Stop getting fucking cute and run the fucking ball.
That's all he says on theheadset.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
And that changes the game.
Because that's what headcoaching is.
It's not running these cuteplays and showing off what you
can do.
It is winning the game.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Not even you micromanage?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
No, you don't micromanage, you are just
involved in everything.
You let your coordinatorscoordinate, but like a big thing
that Mike Lombardi used to talkabout when he was in the media.
Who's coaching the coaches?
Right, you still have to coachyour coaches.
The coaches are coaching theplayers.
You're the.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
CFO of a corporation.
You look over the numbers.
You still have to look over thenumbers and approve everything.
But accounts payable is who'shandling that.
Accounts receivable is who'shandling that.
Accounts receivable is who'shandling that overall.
But you still have to have tosign off on it.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, but you also have to bring in the VP of
accounts receivable, the VP ofaccounts payable, right?

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
And y'all still got to go do training sessions,
right the clerk, and you got togive them training sessions, or
that they they got to take thosetraining sessions and give them
to to their staff, right fortheir other managers or their
clerks, depending on how howlarge the the, the company is.
Right, and I think sometimescoaches, especially the younger,

(33:25):
younger coaches, like a KyleShanahan he's a great play
caller, he's a really good coachand I'm not accusing him of
this, but is he coaching thecoaches too?
Right, and that's what madeBill so great.
Is he's coaching his coaches?
That's what made Saban so great.
Right, he's coaching hiscoaches because it's like, yeah,

(33:48):
my job as the head coach is toproduce and part of me producing
is coaching you, to coach theway that we want to play.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
And it hasn't fared well for them when they get
outside of it, because they'relooking for Daddy Bill to hold
their hand.
That's why none of theircoaches have been successful
without him.
But the thing is and we'll getto see now with McDaniels back
in New England- but here's theone thing that's not fair.
But you've got to let them bethem too.
Is that not their job?

(34:20):
My job is to call plays.
Bill, you don't call plays,You're not an all-.
Now, yes, in crucial Super Bowlplayoff games, all that stuff.
Look, that's Dan Quinn.
Dan Quinn's at fault because helet Kyle do what Kyle had been
doing.
If Dan Quinn gets on theheadset as a defensive
coordinator, he's like no, we'regoing to run the clock, we're
going to put the pressure onthem.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Again because Dan Quinn was not coaching his
coaches.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
That's again because Dan Quinn was not coaching his
coaches.
That's why he's going to be abetter coach for the commanders
now, because he learned from hismistake, I'm assuming.
I bet you if.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Bill.
If Bill was coaching theFalcons in that game, in that
situation we would have won theSuper Bowl.
And Kyle's still trying to getcute.
Kyle, you already have the49ers job.
Run the fucking ball into theSuper Bowl.
And Kyle's still trying to getcute.
Kyle, you already have the49ers job.
Run the fucking ball and get aSuper Bowl.
And I think that's what getsmissed, like our Steelers

(35:15):
friends.
Shit on Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Steelers friends.
Steal our friend.
Yeah, but like you can tell,you know somebody that's a
Steelers fan.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
He doesn't shit on Mike Tomlin.
I was just trying not to pointthis at the Turner family.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, well, sure, yeah, mr Turner as well, senior
Turner, how about that?
Right?

Speaker 2 (35:37):
But you can tell that Coach Tomlin.
He may not call plays but he'sin his coordinator's ears
because, as he's rotatedcoordinators outside of the
Killer B's years, steelersfootball kind of looks the same
Like if you look at their roster.
The way that they playedmatches their roster.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
He's made two bad moves though, because if you
look at the Steelers, theSteelers haven't won playoff
games since Dick LeBeaubasically retired, right, like,
like, yes, having the old man iskind of like how Moore was with
the uh, with the Colts, withPeyton Manning, similar in terms
of you got this old man wascalling the offense with Tony

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Dundee and Caldwell, likeeverybody was with Peyton
Manning.
The old man, tom Moore, thatguy was always there.
He's like a 99 on Madden.
He like hires a coach infranchise mode.
That's how I remember Tom Moore, but you look at something like
that.
But his biggest mistake was assoon as he was gone, they never
really found a true replacement.
The defense has held up butlike, but they never found a

(36:42):
true replacement like that,except for when they did have
Shazier.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Who they haven't been able to replace Ryan Shazier.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
No, but I'm not talking player, I'm talking
coaching-wise.
What's his face, flores?
He had beat Flo in the buildingand they didn't retain him.
They could have just made himthe defensive coordinator, right
?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I imagine there are philosophical differences, that
Because he's Bill's guy, youthink.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Do you think that's a part of it?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
No, I just think the way that they and this is not
based off a film study, this isjust off of him being arguably
the best defensive mind in theroom because, again, coach
Tomlin hasn't been focused onbeing the best defensive coach
in fucking 20 years because he'sthe head coach, right?
He's the problem Probably thebest defensive mind in the

(37:38):
building, arguably one of thebest defensive minds in the
league.
For you not to bring himdownstairs into a role that he
could have filled for your team,there probably is philosophical
differences.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Well, because he was like the linebacker's coach,
right.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, and he had like a bullshit job.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
It was just, but he needed to clean his name anyways
Like that was a part of itwhich Tomlin did kind of what
Dungy does, and Andy Reid.
They let these guys cleanthemselves up.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, I said, but you know Tomlin's from the Dungy
tree.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, I know, but that's what I'm saying.
That's where all thesimilarities come in.
Rah is from the Dungy tree.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, they're all friends.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, but Rah is winning some fucking games like
they do.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Rah McVay, dundee.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Really Rah is on two sides, Though kind of way,
Because he's Shanahan too yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Rah, shanahan, tomlin and McVay are like close
fucking friends.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
LaFleur too.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, I think he's in that group, but like I think
those four from like what Iheard on this pod, they're like
boys.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Arthur's biggest mistake was not promoting
LaFleur to offensive coordinator.
I mean, and I'm okay with Sark,Like we know who Sark is.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
And year two.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Matt cooked under Sark year two and typically it
takes Matt a year to, like youknow, have gotten his bearings
or whatever in a new systembecause he had fucking like
seven offensive coordinators hiswhole time here, which was a
good thing because they all keptgetting hired Like they kept
getting head coaching jobs butlike I don't know Another big

(39:28):
mistake.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, no, that was a big mistake.
That's why I have a problemwith Sark, because, for one,
sark's not just known as an NFLguy and you're going to ask Sark
to run the Shanahan defenseoffense, which Sark has his own
offensive philosophy that he'staught and he's came up through.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
He was on the offensive coordinator once in
the NFL for one year with theRaiders post Bill Callahan.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, but like probably on Lane Kiffin's staff
Right, but fucking, you gotLaFleur, who comes from this
system and has this offense, andthen you could retain possibly
retain mcdaniels, because youmake him the assistant offensive

(40:18):
coordinator and past gamecoordinator quarterbacks coach
right.
So now you retain two of thebest offensive minds because the
way they talk shit about whatWashington did letting all those
guys get out of their buildingwe're not too far off.
Lefleur has like the highestwinning percentage in like NFL
history.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
He had Aaron Rodgers too, and Jordan Love's good.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
But he's still making the playoffs every year, like,
yeah, he did fall into AaronRodgers.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
They draft well and Jordan Love's good, but he's
still making the playoffs everyyear Like, yeah, he did fall
into Aaron Rodgers, they draftwell.
I mean, these aren't excuses,they're obviously props to them,
the Packers.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
A as an organization.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
He's a better coach than Nick Sirianni.
I agree Nick Sirianni's aproduct of not being a bad coach
but having really arguably oneof the most talented over the
last since he got there.
One of the most talented like.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Howie, just say, howie Rose yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
And Howie's been a great draft.
I mean he had been with AndyReid, he drafted so like yeah,
just say it because of Howie.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Howie's the constant, yeah, unlike chip kelly years.
Uh, chip needs more influencehow he go to business.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Okay he's still got good players for even to fit
whatever his architecture likewhat Chip wanted.
He still picked out the goodguys.
A Macklin Deshaun Jackson-ledreceiving core, even having a
bullshit tight end like Selick.
Like Selick seemed like he waspretty reliable, they caught the

(42:00):
end.
I know Shady was there, butlike was Westbrook, even still
there.
Do you remember?
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
But anyways, the point being is that shit crashed
and burned.
Howie comes right back andwe're rolling again Two Super
Bowls.
He finally got his Super Bowls.
They're competing every year.
Kelly wanted Kevin.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Cobb.
You, kevin.
Kelly wanted Kevin Cobb.
You think Howie wanted KevinCobb.
Nah, that's why I got MichaelVick to back him up to start.
And then he gets hurt in thatfirst game and then he never
sees the field again.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
No, no, no.
Mike Vick started with AndyReid.
No, I know but I'm saying,kevin Cobb started.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, I know, but I'm saying Kevin Cole he started.
Yeah, michael Vic was thebackup.
They had the Vic McNabb thingfor one year.
Then they moved to Washington,but then Kevin Cole was the
starter before Vic.
Yeah, he started one game andhe got hurt in that first game
and Michael Vic never gave thejob back.
But he fit Kip's shit bettertoo, I mean so.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Nick Sirianni is a product of Howie Roseman, but
Nick Sirianni is very good atwhat he does and what the Eagles
need him to do, and that'swhat's most important.
And it reminds me of the lebronbag conversation where people
will say lebron doesn't have no.
But I'm saying, be real, lebrondoesn't have a bag.

(43:32):
This person has a better bagthan lebron.
But it's like, yeah, but lebronscores 27 every night.
He has more points than anybodyelse.
So who cares if you got a louis, if you got a birkin, you got a
trash bag or you just got, youknow, I'm saying, a jan sport,
his bag carry.
He putting his bag in thebucket more than you are.

(43:55):
So it doesn't fucking matter,right?

Speaker 1 (43:58):
yeah, the, the nba knapsack, you remember the next
yeah, yeah.
But back to the initial talkingpoint here in terms of
quarterbacks.
So you named his.
How would you rank your topfive quarterbacks Going into
this season?
How would you rank it?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Probably Joe Joe.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Joe won probably joe joe one.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I think he's the best quarterback in the league okay
patrick two.
He's not playing like it, buthe just wins.
So the end of the day it'sabout winning, it's not about
how it looks.
Lamar three Josh four I don'tcare about five, I don't have a

(44:53):
five.
Five is nine.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
So this is how I do it.
I agree with your first four,but I would obviously reorder it
.
Pat's still going to be one.
I don't give a fuck what nobodysays.
Pat's one, I'm going to go.
Lamar two, burrow three, allenfour and he had Jaden McDaniels
on his as five.
But for me, five.
We've got to show some respect,especially because we were just

(45:22):
talking about his coach.
It's got to be Hurts, hurts,low-key.
Got to be hurts, hurts, low keyhas to be five.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
So baker mayfield baker mayfield has a case for
six.
I'm not mad at you.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Putting hurts I take jayden mcdaniel's over.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Uh, jayden daniels jayden mcdaniels.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, I said mcdaniels, I'm sorry, jayden
daniels'd take him over, baker.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Not for fantasy football purposes, but like no.
No, I'm not going to argue withyou, I'm just saying that Baker
Mayfield is a top 10quarterback in the NFL today.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
I'll give you that.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, and so like when we're having these
conversations, like after likesix, like six to 10, baker gets
to be in that conversation.
Like I know it looked the wayit was supposed to look, uh,
from a number one pick, but he'swon his division the last two
years and he's putting upnumbers like I mean, we, like we

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, we see baker twice a year andit's like baker could go for 200
today, 250, 280 today, he couldgo.
Baker could go for 250, 280today.
He could go for a three-pieceand four tubs.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Hey look, both of those games against Kirk Cousins
that we won.
He played his ass off in thosegames.
Kirk outplayed him.
Like is what happened?
But that's why I couldn't puthim sixth.
Like no offense to him, I likeBaker.
I like Baker.
I like Baker's Baker.
It's weird he reenacted theBrett Favre picture.

(46:51):
Right, he really is kind oflike Brett Favre, like he's like
a modern version of Brett Favre, because he can run.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
He does throw less picks, but he throws less picks,
he throws less.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
He turns the ball over less, but he throws less
picks.
He turns the ball over less andhe's mobiler, but he is.
He don't give you Brett Favrevibes a little.
He's kind of Brett Favre.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, because Baker has a cannon.
Yeah, he's like Brett Favre.
He's like Brett Favre, thatlittle fat motherfucker.
Let that be right.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Little fucker Baker.
You want to know where Bakerwould?
Be perfect at quarterback Tampa, and it will never happen.
Like they wouldn't make thistrade.
Probably he really should bethe Cowboys quarterback.
Oh, gerald would love that.
Could you imagine?
And he'd be back with CD.
But like, could you imagine?

(47:43):
And he's from Texas, obviously.
But like, don't you think thathe fits?
But could you imagine, and he'sfrom Texas, obviously, but
don't you think that he fits?
Being the face of I don't know,it feels like he could be the
Cowboys quarterback.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Because here's the thing the Cowboys fuck a
Staubach right.
Niggas didn't know whatStaubach was doing bro.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Like we're in a fight .
Yeah, we'll start with Aikmanand go on up.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
They haven't had a great like a great gunslinger.
Like you know, romo was agunslinger.
Let that bitch ride.
But like Romo, he's strong.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
You know, baker Mayfield plays like Tony Romo
too, though.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, he does, because Tony can kind of run.
You know what Cal heard ComptonBaker to Tony Romo coming out
of college.
He's like that's a good call.
He was like people are sayingDrew Brees, I see more Tony Romo
.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
That is kind of what it is.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
He's like Tony Romo was a really good quarterback.
Like he's better Tony Romo.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Tony Romo if he didn't get injured often would
be in the conversation, in myopinion, with Matt Rines and
Phillip Rivers.
He would be right there withthem Because they're kind of
like in that same you feelconfident that you can win games
with him and really you can wina Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
And I think the difference is, if you like go
with his, you throw his injuriesin his.
He wasn't nearly as consistentand reliable, right Like, I
think, his ceiling is higher.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
He was more Jay Cutler in that regard, though.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I think his ceiling was higher than Matt Ryan and
Phillip Rivers, like on his bestday.
But like his best day didn'tcome nearly as often and his
worst days came way more oftenhe has bad turnovers, yeah like,

(49:39):
but Tony get out there andthrow for 450, 500.
Like niggas ain't saying.
Even if Matt Ryan has a500-yard game, which I don't
think he does, he may.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
He does the game that Julio got 300 yards Okay yeah,
and that was a lot of yak, right, but like you don't just look.
My goodness, Lee, Can we stopthe no?
No, there's so much Matt Ryanslander on this show.
It's not Matt Ryan, I'msupposed to be a Matt Ryan dick
sucker.
Because of it, I love.
Matt Ryan you watch thefootball too.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I love Matt Ryan.
I thought Matt Ryan was a greatquarterback, greatest Falcon,
greatest career in a Falconsjersey bro, I stand on that.
But we didn't wake up onSundays being like Matt could go
for five today.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, you're not thinking that.
You know what I was thinking.
It doesn't matter who we'replaying, we can win today.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Because we have to.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I have more confidence goinginto a game with Matt Ryan than
Tony Romo, but I'm also sayingthat this nigga Tony might go
for 400 today.
Tony and Dan could go for 400.
Like, you feel more comfortablewith Tony Romo going for that
many yards than you would MattRyan.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I would rather have Tony Romo healthy for fantasy
than Matt Ryan.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
yes, Okay, there we go, and that's the only point
that I was making.
Yeah, I mean yeah that's a wayto look at it, but like this was
not to try to say that TonyRomo is a better quarterback
than Matt Ryan.
No.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I didn't think you were saying that.
It just sounded like you wereshitting on Matt a little.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
No, no, no, no, no.
You know, Matt, he's puttingthe ball where it needs to be,
when it needs to be there, buthe's not necessarily just
chunking it 70.
Fuck it, that's just not MattRyan's game.
Yeah, that's all.
Come on, man.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Throw me out.
I don't know Matt, and we'renot going to get on Matt Ryan.
Everybody, that's anyoneeverybody's ever heard me talk
about.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Matt Ryan.
They know how.
I feel about him, but quickshout out to Matt flowers man.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Why is that?
What are we giving him a shoutout for?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Cause I started back doing some yoga and it's really
opening my body up Pause, and Ifeel I feel like so much better
and like I didn't realize likehow much tension I was carrying
in my body and yeah, it's justreally cool and I've really
enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
So you're limber.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I'm trying to get there, I remember I did some of
my best work when I was workingout and doing yoga.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Did he send you?
A instructional video or areyou getting on FaceTime with him
and doing it?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
No, no, no, no.
I'm getting on YouTube and I'mjust going to different yoga
instructors.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
I just type in yoga, but I'm saying did he give it to
you or you're just saying youwere inspired by his efforts?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I was inspired by his efforts during COVID and that's
when I kind of started doingyoga.
When he was doing his littleyoga, he was doing his yoga
classes on Zoom, and then Istopped.
Me and Sin used to do yogatogether.
Sometimes We'd even do maxclasses together.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I was taking it another way, but yes, you know
what that turns into.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, that's why I said, hey, now Just getting back
into yoga and just getting morein tune with my body and
realizing that a lot of thestiffness and pain that we have
is just from not stretching.
It's like I don't have anexcuse not to take 20-30 minutes
before bed to just stretch mybody out and pause.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
It's so easy to do.
I mean, I don't do it, but likeI'm saying in general, when you
do think about it, it is soeasy to do it's you're not
asking yourself a lot to dosomething like and, like you
said, especially like rightbefore bed, or you can do it
after you shower.
Brush your teeth before you getdressed like you can be in your
underwear or something right,get ready for the day.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Honestly, man, not to get too freaky, but do it naked
.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, do it naked.
Hold on one second.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Keep talking Some of those poses I don't necessarily
recommend it just feels weird.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I'm like somebody at my door Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Sometimes some of those positions and the way
you're moving your body.
As a straight man, heterosexualman, it feels awkward being
naked, but like, but just beinglike more in tune with the.
You're on your mat, you knowwhat I mean and just having the
clothes to to block the yourbody from like being close to

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touching earth.
Like the I don't know.
Like I don't like to do yoga.
When I used to go to yogaclasses, I liked to go where I
could just wear some tights, noteven on some freaky creep shit,
it's just on some supercomfortability type shit.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yeah, moving around.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, that's our hippie session for the week.
One of my friends was tellingme that I'm going to end up
going to some yoga ayahuascaretreat in Bali.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
You know everything gets hot here soon.
They might be an easy one tolook at, cuz it's like bringing
it back Washington.
Oh, let me not.
Yeah, yeah, I was about tobring you know.
Yeah, yeah, I almost pulled thesurprise.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
You know that's Joy Taylor's ad lib.
What this one right here?
Stop, bitch, step that shit upthe light.
I don't think this one might betoo.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Oh, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah, yeah, that was it for Joy Taylor.
Okay, have we talked about thefinal?
We're talking about Rodgers tothe Steelers.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah, well, you know what's crazy We've actually
turned the NFL into.
But you know what.
The NFL is easy to do this with.
You can talk about the NFL.
But yeah, Aaron Rodgers to theSteelers, I'm a big fan of it,
Like I've expressed that in thelocker room, I'm a big fan of it
.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I've expressed that in the locker room.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I'm in favor of it.
I think that it makes thembetter.
I know Mr Turner follows theteam Well, he's certainly a fan
of the team.
I'm not saying he doesn'tfollow it as much as I do, but
what I'm saying is, in general,I like the move for them.
I think he's an upgrade.
Everybody's shitting on whataaron did in new york.

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It's the jets.
I mean, I hate to say it, it'sthe jets, bro.
Like it's the jets.
I mean, what do you want out ofthey?
They have been.
They haven't made the playoffsin what was it?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
it's 16, 14 years franchise man, yeah, like 10 so,
yeah, I think it's 10.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
That's like, oh no, I'm just saying that, that, yeah
, I'm saying yeah, I mean, andlook, we're second along with
the panthers, but like, um, no,I just I think that this is an
upgrade at quarterback.
This is gonna be the bestquarterback play I get it.
He's on his last legs in termsof, uh, career wise.

(57:48):
That doesn't mean that he'swashed.
I don't think that aaronrodgers is washed, like I don't
know.
I think that, yeah, I thinkhe's still winning too.
I think that, statistically, hehe threw for what what?
3,800 yards.
He had 28 TDs, 11 picks.
I watched a couple of thosegames because they did cost me

(58:11):
money.
Like the Jets cost me moneylast year and like, true story,
like $70,000, I was going to win70 grand if they had beat the
Patriots the first time.
They played them and they blewthe game.
But that wasn't on him, thatwas on the defense.
It was.
You know, jacoby Brissett threwa ball and somebody who's the

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nigga from LSU, boutte Boutte,whatever his name yeah, hl
Boutte.
Yeah, he like caught like aball on fourth and ten and they
extended the drive and theyextended the drive and they lost
the game.
These were the things thathappened.
It wasn't Aaron Rodgers' fault.
It wasn't his fault.
It wasn't his fault that theyfired Sala after they lost in
London and they were two andthree.
That's not on him.

(58:55):
What does that have to do withAaron Rodgers?
Now, what you can blame AaronRodgers for, blame Aaron Rodgers
for hiring, because hedefinitely told Woody, yeah,
make him the OC.
Blame him for that.
Don't blame him for his play.
Brees Hall sucked the dick lastyear.
He was on my fans team.
I was, you know, let's talkabout that Like he had no run

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game.
You know they bought in TayAdams, but basically they were
2-5, I think when they got TayAdams, as soon as they lost that
game to the Bills on Thursdaynight, that was it they weren't
going to play off?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
They would have had to win out, and they weren't
going to win out.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
So you know, I just don't blame Aaron Rodgers, his
first year coming off theAchilles.
I like the idea of thestructure of the Steelers
because even though the Steelershave not been as successful
recently, there's still astructure there.
There's still a structure team.
Dk Metcalf does the same thingI wish that they kept thinking,
but like he does a lot of thesame things.
They're clearly trying to get atight end.

(01:00:06):
Maybe they make a trade withthe Falcons, we'll see.
Or they make a trade with Miamiand Arthur Smith gets one of
his tight ends in there.
But you add that with Muth andyou have a two tight end set.
You've got DK.
I don't like Roman Wilson andAustin as twos.
But maybe they unlock Kyle PittsWith Aaron Rodgers.
You could.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Or maybe they sign my man, keenan Allen, off the
street after training camp.
We know Keenan Allen probablyalready knows where he's going.
He's just not doing any of thisoffseason shit.
He's like, bro, I'll be in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
He can go back to LA.
He can go back to the Chargers.
That'd be another good fit forhim.
But Pittsburgh will be a goodfit too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I mean, I think Pittsburgh is going to be a good
team because I trust what MikeTomlin's done in his track
record and there's nothing thatsays he shouldn't win games.
I should bet against AaronRodgers based on how he's played
, but I can't because, y'allunderstand, I think Aaron
Rodgers is the best quarterbackthat I've seen that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
we've seen.
Yeah, he was better than Brady.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah, he was better than Brady.
Yeah, he didn't have the careersuccess.
I take him over Mahomes like attheir peaks, right, like if
we've seen Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Peyton Manning might be the only quarterback I've
seen that I would take over himoverall.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah, but even the way Peyton did it, stylistically
I like Aaron more because Aaronhad the flash, the flair.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Peyton- was a machine and he could run.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
And he could run.
But, like I was telling afriend yesterday, right, I'm not
saying he's the GOAT, by nomeans, but when I think of
basketball, I think Kevin Durantis the best person I've
witnessed play basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
They're comparable though too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Yeah, and that's the point, and that's what I'm
getting to Like just a puretalent if you put them in a
vacuum and you go through themultiple layers of what the game
entails and the ability to domultiple things at a much higher
level than others.
Just skill, skill andindividual production.
Production, not team success.

(01:02:25):
I'm like kevin durant's thebest I've I've seen in
basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Do that personally I, I love, I'm gonna.
I love the comparison.
Well, I'm sorry, but I love thecomparison because you can
honestly stack it up too.
He also played in this era with.
He caught Kobe Bryant in hisprime, still, and he also caught
LeBron in his prime.

(01:02:50):
So it's the same thing withAaron Rodgers he caught the
prime and he caught Steph too.
He caught the prime, steph too.
Drew Brees Well, I don't knowif that's, but regardless, he
caught the prime of all theseguys.
Same thing with Aaron.
Regardless, he caught the primeof all these guys.
Same thing with Aaron.
He caught Peyton Manning andTom Brady's primes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Like just like he caught.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Kobe and LeBron's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, and he caught Eli Manning.
You know somebody like aMemphis team or a Houston team
that just puts you out of theplayoffs around too early.
No, the Spurs, actually theSpurs.
Right, eli's more like theSpurs.
I know a little bit different,but like some niggas that you
Good team.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, like a good team.
Good running game, greatdefenses, typically, certainly
the defensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Yeah, but it's not like KD called prime Tim Duncan.
He called old but good Tim andEli.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
The end of the Spurs, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Right, but like Eli, as a staple player, his peak is
maybe his playoff peak is old,but good, tim he's not and Eli
was never Tim Duncan.
But I'm just saying if you'regoing to compare the eras in
which they encountered eachother, you could make an Eli to
Tim Duncan cop, you're going tojust do the right thing

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throughout the game.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
And that's just playoff.
Eli, not Eli.
I just have to be very clearabout that.
Wow, that was a good imprompturabbit hole that we went down.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
In general, NFL-wise, how do we just do an hour NFL?

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Well, we did a good 10 minutes of WNBA.
The NFL sells, you know, sexsells man yeah sex does sell.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Indeed, indeed, stop Frank and Reese.
Sex does sell.
Indeed, stop Frank D'Aris.
On that note, I think we'll goover to the Indy 500 that we got
to see last night.
Yeah, sir, yeah, pacersobviously they clean up win game

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three, which apparently 81% ofthe teams that win game three
win the NBA finals.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Or won one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
I am not.
Yeah, win the series is win one, correct?
Yeah, you got to put that inthere.
But I'm not convinced thatthey'll still win the series.
I still think the Thunder aregoing to win.
I mean they're only two gamesaway.
The Pacers are, the Serbs are,but I like what they're doing.

(01:05:32):
I just don't think it's goingto hold up, and we knew that
yesterday they had to win thatgame.
But you're not going to get Ben.
Ben Mathurin is not going togive you 27.
Like he's not going to do that.
The rest of the series whichthis was actually a question
that I held that I haven't evenasked you.
I was going to text it to youearlier.
If the series was over nowthrough three games, which it's

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not, but who would be the MVP ofthis final so far?

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
That's Kelsey Alcom.
Okay, but he's been theconsistent, steady force for
Indiana.
I don't think he's their bestplayer.
Excuse me, I don't think he'stheir most.
No, and that's why I stoppedmyself.
I don't think he's their mostimpactful player, but he's their

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most reliable.
He's their best scorer.
He's their most consistentscorer.
I can't even say he's theirbest scorer because Ben Matherin
is their best scorer, but he'snot consistent.
He's a microwave.
It's Pascal.
I think if it keeps playing outthis way, if Hallie gets it,

(01:06:46):
that's not the right answer.
Like and like.
I don't even care what thestats say, unless, like Hallie
goes off for like 30 balls forthe rest of the way and has them
in triple doubles, but like, ifhe's at like 20 points, nine
assists, nine rebounds, like hewas this past game.
It's Siakam, and that's the eyetest, because Siakam does

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timely stuff.
He's like oh, we need to comeout aggressive in this first
quarter at home.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Buck it.
I'm pulling up the box scorenow from yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
But it's even hard to gauge some of this Siakam stuff
off the box score because hescored.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
No, we watched the games, yeah, I know what I'm
saying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Like he scored, like their first three buckets, like
he kept them in the game earlyjust by being in the first three
buckets.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Look even yesterday.
Yeah, ben Mathurin was him andTJ McConnell were the most
important players yesterday.
But even looking at it, itcould get lost in the shuffle.
I mean, halliburton had 22-11-9, so he had a good game, of
course, but Siakam was 21-6-4,and it gets back to the
consistency and being thatconstant right, yeah, he's had

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like 19- 20 every game all threegames and because, if you
remember, chet Holmgren was theone that kind of started the
Thunder game really well, likehe started off super well, for
whatever reason, jalen Williamsfinally showed up yesterday.
He was 50%, 26 and 6.
I mean so he showed up.
You want to know what thedifference so far through the

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first three games has been,though, and I'm just looking at
the box score, even fromyesterday, the Pacers' benches
played better.
That's why they're up 2-1.
The Pacers' benches playedbetter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
You got 27 off the bench from Ben Matherin, you got
a timely putback by ObadiahToppin, and then you get 10
points.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Why do you got to be?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Obadiah Toppin I mean , that's his name you get 10
points, five assists and fivesteals from TJ McConnell.
Like TJ McConnell stole aninbound pass under the basket,
he had a record they put it up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
That was the NBA finals record five steals.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Yeah, like niggas hooping and like.
Here's what I like about it,though it's good basketball,
like it's just really goodbasketball and it's not always
my favorite style to watch.
I want to like be very clearhere I'm not a fan of watching
Shea Gildress Alexander playbasketball, but in me not being

(01:09:26):
a fan of him playing basketball,he is a great basketball player
and he is so smooth and pure inthe way that he plays.
Shea has been getting a prettygood whistle.
Not yesterday, tony Brotherswas having none of that we know
the extender is coming up.

(01:09:46):
But like, if we really thinkabout it, shea just Shea plays
really good basketball.
I don't like watching it allthe time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
I just went through the box.
Obviously we watched the game,but box score even, was that's
been the difference in thisfinals?
It's been the benches Like so?
So game two when the thunderone?
Obviously so.
Alex Caruso comes off the benchtoo right, he had this, had a
huge game, game one even ObiToppin 17.

(01:10:21):
The bench has been the benchhas been what has won the games.
Whose bench plays better?

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
That's usually how championships are won, though,
because what people forget aboutthe Juggernaut Warriors?

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
it was their bench.
Sean Livingston was a big partof that first finals.
He was huge.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
But even like in the Katie finals the starters played
close.
Like I want to say, Braun hadlike a positive plus minus.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Well he had 51, eight and eight in game one and lost.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
But, like it was, it was the bench play, it was, it
was just the David West.
You know these guys just comingoff the bench and just making
timely plays throughout the game.
And yeah, we look at theWarriors starting lineup and say
that's why they were ajuggernaut, because that
starting lineup was crazy andbeat the shit out of most teams.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
For all stars.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
But, like in the big playoff games, whether it's
Houston, whether it's Cleveland,the bench the bench was good,
like the bench mob was what letit happen.
Yeah, so this is great.
I'm liking what I'm seeing.
It's bro, it's good basketball.
And what I really hate, though,is the lack of coverage that

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it's getting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
I mean, you could say we're going to look back at
this NBA Finals and say, man,this was a good Finals.
We will look back at thisFinals as fondly in terms of
recent Finals Finals thatdoesn't get its flowers is the
Bucs Suns.
That was a good NBA Finals.
People don't really remember itthat way.
Those games were all prettyfucking close because it was

(01:12:07):
during COVID kind of.
It wasn't COVID, it was theyear after COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
It was still COVID.
They didn't have all the fans.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah, they were blocking off seeds.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Jeff Teague talked about it.
He said, bro, this finals waslike our finals.
It ain't no big markets Peoplejust don't really care about.
Like yo, this is goodbasketball, like.
If you're a basketball fan,you're enjoying this finals.
And me personally, as abasketball fan, I've enjoyed the
finals because even in game two, where I was kind of in and out
because I figured OKC would winand probably kick their ass oh

(01:12:42):
hold on, these niggas just wenton a 6-0 run.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Oh Like it kept you in for about nine minutes left
in the fourth quarter you knowwhat I'm saying Because it was
still within that 15 to 10 pointrange and we already have seen
the Pacers clearly are comebackartists, Like that's what they
do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
So, but no, it's been great basketball man.
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
But a question for you there,parley P If Indiana wins right,
they're up 2-1,.
83% of teams who win game threewhen it's tied 1-1 typically
win the series.
So if Tyrese Halliburton winsthis championship, whether he

(01:13:26):
gets finals MVP or not, whatdoes that say about his legacy?
What does it do for his legacy?
Do we truly bump him up above?
A bunch of other point guardsin the league.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I mean.
So I think, and great question,I know that I sent you the
thing because everybody was likethe Chris Paul debate more of
it than anything, right likebecause he's the first person.
England is going to want tocome after because he's a modern
, he's a point, he's still inthe league but like he's a
modern point guard and hedoesn't have a ring we know that

(01:13:58):
a lot of that wasn't his faultfor per se he played in the West
with Kobe, and then theWarriors.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Nigga, what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
We got a lot of different instances that we
could talk about with him.
For one, he should have been aLaker and he possibly could.
I know people don't think thatthat trade was as big as it was,
because Kobe still tears hisAchilles, so we don't know.
If that happens, though, I'mnot saying that the Lakers win a

(01:14:29):
title with prime Chris Paul andKobe on the back end of the
prime, but we don't know.
We just will never know whatcould have happened with that
they could have won.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
in my opinion, who else would take less to come be
a Laker?

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I don't know it would have been plenty of people.
It's still the Lakers, Likeit's still the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
That's the point that I'm making.
So, like it's fair in yousaying that, like we don't know
what that could be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
But I'm bringing up the emphasis in his defense.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
I know the devil's advocate.
I know I'm boosting yourdefense.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah, I'm supporting Like we don't know what would
have happened.
So you got that.
Then you have the HoustonGolden State series.
He gets hurt.
I mean we don't know they.
If they, I tell you what we doknow they beat that Warriors
team.
They won the NBA final.
They're going to beat Cleveland.
They would beat Cleveland.
I don't think so.
I think they would have beatCleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
But but now here's the thing and then the next one
is didn't he Hold on?
You're forgetting the DonaldSterling year, when they got
beat by Steffen in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
I don't believe the Clippers.
I never believed in them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
But that was a high-performing team that we
knew was missing a forward right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
They were missing a forward but the point being is
like, name for name, that mighthave been the most stacked team
in NBA history, like that wholeera of Clippers they always had.
They had, like think about itDanny Granger, paul Pierce these
were guys like on the team thatwere like the 10th and 11th
dude on the team.

(01:16:00):
Yeah, king and Martin.
Big Baby Glendale, like theyhad great teams.
I blame Doc Rivers tank.
Yeah, big baby glenn, like theyhad great pink, I blame doc
rivers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Yeah, yeah yeah, it's not, but I'm just saying like,
even like in those pockets,right, you have the donald
sterling stuff that comes outlike right before a playoff game
.
You got cp getting hurt oneyear, you got blake getting hurt
another year like niggas didn't.
Like nigga didn't have healthyplayoff runs and then when he
had his best chance to win aring with Houston.

(01:16:28):
There are just a lot of reasonswhy Chris Paul didn't win a
ring that aren't excuses.
Some of those reasons youcannot.
If Blake Griffin gets hurt, bro, it's not the same team.
I'm sorry, I don't give a fuckhow deep you are.
You're changing your identityright before the playoff starter
, in the middle of the playoffs.
And this nigga's an all-NBAplayer, top 10 player in the

(01:16:51):
league.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
I mean, you want to know whatit is Blake Griffin and this is
an unpopular opinion.
The end of his Clipper, but thestart of Piston's run was his
crime.
He was a much better playerwhen he was a Piston in my
opinion.
Overall he was a better player.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Yeah, because he developed in the point blade.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Yes, exactly, he was kind of a point power forward,
but he was better.
His shot was better.
He was just a better player atthat time in his career.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Yeah, he just, he just lost, he just thought that
he lost his explosion they,you're right, though they always
lacked that forward, like thethey would have never had paul
george or somebody at that timeor
koala, but like they really goodplayer at that position if det

(01:17:44):
Detroit Blake, who wouldn't havegotten traded, hadn't had all
the injuries and still had theexplosiveness that he should
have had at that age, with therefinement to his offensive game
.
Now they finally have thatperson Because, no, he's not the
refined scorer of a Paul George, but he's so explosive that his

(01:18:05):
jab step creates the space forthe open shot that he can make.
Like he's not pulling upcontested, like Paul George is,
but like if Blake Griffin givesyou a hard jab, stay up on him
if you want to.
He's one-two on your fuckinghead.
You're in the rim.
I'm looking at Blake now hold on, hold on hold on, no, no, no,

(01:18:27):
no, we're not going down thisrabbit hole it's not about the
numbers we're talking aboutTyrese Halliburton and where
where he would stand, and we'vegotten off of Chris Paul,
because you talked about theChris Paul meme, where Nick is
going to try to say he's betterthan Chris Paul, but I'm going
going to try to say he's betterthan Chris Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Yeah, because of the ring culture.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
But I'm going to ask you like are you going to say
he's a better point guard thanTrae Young?

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Yeah, for sure, yeah, no doubt.
See, I disagree with you.
Like I know why you'redisagreeing, but like you have
to put him above him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Trae Young hasn't done anything.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Enough spectacular for that to be an argument.
In my opinion, Trey's a goodplayer, but he's not great
enough for that to be anargument, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
No, but here's the argument.
Trey got his team to theEastern Conference Finals right.
He overachieved.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
And Trey also puts up bigger numbers and carries more
of an offense don't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
But I'm saying with trey, having gotten there, it's
proven that he is a winning, awinning player like he can.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
He can win games you're saying he can be the best
player on a team and win achampionship.
Well, I don't believe that,though like I don't believe that
halliburton's not the bestplayer on his team.
That's about the one that mightwin a championship.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
I don't believe that, though I don't believe that
Halliburton's not the bestplayer on his team that's about
to win.
That might win a championship,but he is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
The optics say he is.
The optics say that he is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
We watch basketball and we know that Pascal Siakam
is the best player on his teamand Trae Young.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
He can do the most.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
He can do the most?

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Does it make him the best player?

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
but trey young has not had a pascal siakam.
Trey young is absolutely right.
So that's why I'm saying I'mnot going to just sit here and
make tyrese halliburton tyresehalliburton better than trey
young just because tyresehalliburton is on a better team
than trey young has been he'syounger than him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
He's accomplished more, he's got a goal and look,
I thought that Trey should be onthe USA team.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
It's not about that, but I'm just saying he didn't
get clocked.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
And remember this about Hal Burton too.
He started off in basketballhell kind of as a backup.
He was kind of the sixth man onthose Kings teams because they
had De'Aaron Fox.
None of that matters, but itdoes.
It's a part of the story.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
It's a part of the story.
I don't give a fuck about thestory.
I watch the players playbasketball.
Trey Young is a betterbasketball player than Tyrese
Halliburton.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Tyrese Halliburton is in a much better but you're
asking me what I think happensif he wins.
I'm saying if he wins.
I just don't think that youhave the argument to say that
Trey's better outside ofpointing at.
Well, trey can give you 25 and10, 27 and 10.
That is the only argument.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
No, my argument is I watch them play basketball.
Is I watch them play basketballand I think that Trey Young is
better at basketball than Tyrese.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Halliburton, but I'm with you on that.
But I'm just saying, if he wins, it makes that conversation
different.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
It's a different conversation because we're going
to allow ring culture to leadthe conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
No, but see that's why I bled off with Chris Paul,
because the Chris Paul part islike Chris is not better than
Chris Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Hold on, let me exactly, but let me finish.
We're like with the Trey.
I'm using Trey, young and Hallebecause they're more
contemporaries, right, and it'sring or not.
It's ring or not, it's anargument right, you would talk
about it.
It's a legitimate argumentwithout the rings, but I'm
saying ring culture should beone of the last things that goes

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into the argument about who's abetter player.
It should not drive ringculture, should not drive who's
the better player because it's ateam game.
Drive ring culture should notdrive who's the better player
because it's a team game andthere are so many different
things outside of a player'scontrol when it comes to being a
championship team that theydon't control.

(01:22:36):
So I'm not going to just letyou being a championship player
because you had a great frontoffice.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
The Hawks are a bad organization, then because you
had a great front office.
The Hawks are a badorganization, then, then that
should be the main focus of thisargument, because how does
Indiana put together a team thatcan do it but Atlanta can't?
The argument is that the Hawkshave a bad front office.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Yes, I think Tony Ressler is running the fucking
franchise into the ground.
How do you move off of Slink inthe way that they did for who
they moved off of him for?
If you're moving off for Masai,sure.
If you're moving off for Maury,sure.
If you're moving off for shit,I'd take Big Bob Palenka for

(01:23:19):
God's sake right.
If you're gonna move off forsomebody like that Worldwide
Westman, yeah, so sizzle.
But to hand a team off tofucking Landry Fields.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
A nigga that played basketball for six years in the
NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Yeah, a nigga that's my age, After Slink came from
Golden State is trying to builda similar model inch to Golden
State, but adapting it to thepersonnel that we have and it's
working.
And then you don't build off ofthat Eastern Conference Finals
team.
You don't try to go get a pieceand get better.
No, no, yeah.

(01:23:56):
I'm not going to knock Treybecause he got drafted to an
incompetent franchise.
I'm not going to like yeah, wetalked ourselves into the
DeJounte Murray trade because weunderstand that, hey, DeJounte
is a big guard who can playdefense, he's an all-star, he
can get buckets.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
They made their move on the wrong player, right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
but it was like hey, if they can figure out how to
work together, we can see howthis can work.
At some point I know I wassaying hey, I'd rather just
build around DeJounte because ofhis style is more complimentary
to other guys.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
And you could get more from Trey anyway, right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
But we didn't think that Trey and DeJounte would
actually work.
If the Houston Rockets did thatshit, we would have a different
approach to it.
Yeah, our fandom sometimesmakes us optimistic on our takes
.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
But if we just break it down, it's like, hey, this
can work, but I don't know if itwill.
Trey hasn't had a legit runningmate.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
No, he hasn't Shit.
I think I just I don't know.
I look at it from theperspective of this when it
comes to Hal Burton and Trey,the ring makes a difference.
It does, because he is lookedat as yes, they traded for
Paschal from Toronto, but likehe still is looked at as the
face of that franchise, it ismore team hey.

(01:25:22):
Breaking news Kevin Durant.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
No Antonio Brown is wanted by police in Miami-Dade
County on a criminal charge ofattempted murder.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Is it because of that video of him shooting?

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
I was curious as to why he wasn't getting arrested
anyways for that, because theyshowed that he clearly had a gun
that's going to be tough forhim to beat Because there's
video of it.
Obviously he could say he wasdefending himself.
Of course there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
They were retreating and he went after them.
I don't know how staying yourground works in Florida, but
We've seen how it works yeah buthe's a black man shooting the
gun.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
That's true, there's that aspect.
And he's Antonio Brown, youknow this gets back to being an
offensive coordinator and gameplan and how things in the game.
However you respond, it'sdifferent, but except he's
dealing with his actual wife.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
But you know.
That's why we don't go to thosetype places.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
No, I don't want to hang out with those people, you
know I met Antonio.
I think I told you this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Like on a flight.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Yeah To New York Talk to him for a little bit.
Well, I asked him.
There were two things I asked.
I was like hey, I was likeArthur Blank needs to give you a
call, is what I said.
And then he basically he waslike he said like yay, adam, he

(01:27:03):
talked about Kanye, he's likeyay, got me bro, is what he said
.
And I was like okay, did he getyour blood, Russ no.
But I know that he was hangingout at that time.
At least he put up that stuff.
He's hanging out with Kanye.
I mean, ye clearly does looklike Ye takes care of his people
out Kanye.
I mean clearly it does looklike he takes care of his people

(01:27:24):
.
Even Pusha T in his GQinterview, like Pusha T, talked
about how he doesn't respectKanye as a man.
But in that interview, what Iread over it at least Kanye held
his word and gave all of hisartists their masters.
He gave them all their money,which I mean he's a billionaire,
right, but that's pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
What I took away from what Pusha T kind of said, from
that is just like yo, thisnigga done, went off the
reservation.
I can't fuck with it and Ican't be fake about it.
I don't respect what he's doing, but he was still respectful in
his description of it, becauseCorrect, yeah, but I felt that
he's an old head in rap too.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
And no offense to Push, I like Push.
I'm going to listen to the newClips album, I think, if you
remember.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
New Wale drops in three hours, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Nobody cares.
Kanye's supposed to be droppingthe bully tonight, but we'll
see.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Wale gets spun over here, first Paul Shit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Alright, first Paul Shit, all right.
Well, all right, that's you.
Wale's one of my favoriteartists you and Josh Holsey both
then because he told me when Imet Josh Holsey I feel like I
brought this up he told me upand down that Wale was a better
artist than Kanye.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Well, no, I would never say that.
I would say that Public opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Let's just listen to the music.
His music, I don't even thinkyou know.
I know people always talk aboutKanye not writing, but like
Kanye's raps are better thanWale's in my opinion.
I think his raps are stillbetter.
So he's got way more quotablesthan Wale.
I think Wale cannot rap Kanye.
You can give me the J Cole.
Maybe he's got way morequotables than Wale.
I think Wale can out-rap Kanye.
You can give me the J Cole.

(01:29:07):
Maybe he's a better rapper.
Like his lyrics are better, butlike no.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
So I personally will put Wale.
If we're just talking aboutjust lyrically, I put him up
there.
I put him in that conversationwhen it became the big three and
you got Wale and Big Sean onthe outskirts.
I don't think any of thoseother four niggas are going to

(01:29:39):
wrap circles around Wale.
I think they're better, they'rebigger artists, they have
better relationships and theymay even make better music to
some degree.
Depends on what type of musicwe're talking about.
But um, now, if we're justtalking about rapping, these
niggas just ain't about to putWale in the blender.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Okay, I'm fair with that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
I don't think Wale is like a shitty artist, I'm just
saying if, like Wale say, ifWale, cole and Drake did a song,
wale could lead it off and havethe best verse.
And I wouldn't be just damn bro.
I can't believe wale watchedthem niggas.

(01:30:25):
I'd be like god damn bro, walewatched them niggas.
Well, you know that's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
He was on his shit today you know, but he, uh, I
look back at, uh, ambition, thealbum right that came out my
freshman year and uh, they werepromoted at the inUC and the
song Ambition, which has RossMeek Wale.
I thought.
Personally, I thought that MeekMill had the best verse on the

(01:30:58):
song Right.
And I don't like Meek Mill.
I don't really like his music,to be completely honest.
But it gets back to that bigwhat you just said, to the core
four or whatever as it was atthat time.
Was Meek Mill not low-key, abetter rapper than Wale?
I mean, he had more hits, nodoubt.

(01:31:22):
I don't know, he had more hits,no doubt no, he had one he had,
you know the shit, for theLeBron highlight reel I'm a boss
.
Yeah, I'm a boss Now.
Grant Ross helps push the song,but that's what he should do.

(01:31:44):
It's his label.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
I mean, but Wale is trying to build a different
universe because he still had noHands.
Right, yeah, and no Hands washuge.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
That's his biggest song, he had.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Love is a.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Firebomb.
He had the shit with Lady Gaga.
That was big for pop Like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
See, what else do I have?

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
I like matrimony with Usher.
That's a little later.
That's a little later.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
That album is absolutely amazing, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Let me see, I tell you I'm looking at.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
I listened to a Wale interview this week.
Jerry Seinfeld did that forfree.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Yeah, yeah, so okay.
So I have 10 Meek Mill songssaved on my Spotify, but I have
15 Wale, so maybe that's thereal answer.
He had bad with and this was alittle later Too he had bad with
Rihanna.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
That was still college.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
But you know what Some of this stuff see?
They're adding numbers for himbecause the MMG Volume 2, for
instance, wale's listed as hissongs for 600 Bins, acting Up
and Bag of Money.
Those are listed as Wale'ssongs but those aren't Wale's
songs, I mean so they may havebeen his song.
What you mean.

(01:33:09):
I don't know those.
They seem like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
MMG songs.
He had two verses on that songbut like it could have been
Wale's song on the MMG album,like he may have came up with
the concept.
He may have like wrote.
He may have done the hook andyou MMG album.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
He may have came up with the concept.
He may have done the hook.
One of the songs on here I haveon here twice or whatever.
Maybe one's a single versionand the other's the album
version Running Back with LilWayne, I like this song.
I always have liked that song alot.
Scarface Rosé Gotti.
I love that song too.
Kaisa, not disrespecting theshit out of of him.
I saw that on twitter at the btawards.
He didn't know who he was.

(01:33:49):
I don't think you know I don'tthink you think that that was
like for straight, like for tv,no I.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
I think he's.
He's disconnected fromnon-mainstream hip-hop culture.
Wale is no longer mainstreamhip-hop culture.
Kaisa Nott is young, you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Yeah, he's like 21, 22.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Yeah, Wale went on his crazy run over 10 years ago
when he was at his peak.
So it's easy for Kaisa Nott notto know him.
But you know, my issue with thatand we can kind of take this
into the BET Awards conversationis I have an issue not with
what with Kaisa not being aspopular as he is, but being

(01:34:31):
embraced by hip-hop basedinstitutions without truly being
a student of the game.
Right, you know, and I thinkthis is one of the issues that
we have with with streamers andand media and and like new forms
of media, you and I we can'tsource a lot of the stuff that
we, that we say, but we learnlike our podcast style does not

(01:34:58):
come from like the streamingviral era.
It comes from like the oldschool era of listening to a
radio talk show, a ESPN show,like a traditional show where
you research what you want totalk about.
You want to make sure that youknow exactly what you're talking
about.
We don't talk about 80s and alot of 90s basketball because we

(01:35:19):
didn't watch it and we're notgoing back and doing the
research.
We speak about our experiences,but we've it, but but we know
enough about the history to beable to properly reference we
can reference it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
So that's my problem with like the cast knots of the
world.
Uh, the dj.
Academics like, these niggaslike are staples acts like our.
Yeah, I know, but they can'treference history.
They haven't.
Well, axe wasn't born here, soeither they didn't experience it
in real time from their ownvantage point, he's 34.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Huh, I didn't even realize he was that old he's 34.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
But think about it.
We can't speak to what it waslike when cash money took over
for the 99 and 2000 as an adult.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
But we remember as a kid, but we remember, we know.
Like we know how because schoolbro, somebody spoke about this,
I can't remember who it was,but point being it was too short
, so too short.
Talked about this real quickstory.
I watched this too short.
Talked about little B quickstory.
I watched this too short.
Talked about little b rightfrom the past.
Did I send you that or did no?

(01:36:29):
I just saw it on youtube.
But he talked about it becausehe was in atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Yeah, I watched that same video too.
That's why I was asking if heshared it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
But he bought it up because they were 18 and he sent
them to like a high schoolparty at the time like it was a
dance.
But people forget that here inAtlanta, even elementary middle.
Obviously it's mean forelementary, but middle school
high school dances they are kindof, but they're kind of
clubbish, it's club vibe Notkind of, it is clubbish.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
I remember getting separated off of girls in middle
school from getting twerk.
I remember being-.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
They were hopping bitches on dance floors to
Pretty Ricky girls in middleschool from getting twerked.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
I remember having bitches on dance floors to
pretty ricky.
Yeah, bro, like we've beendoing this shit since like sixth
grade.
Bro, like it's the culture downhere and maybe that's why club
party culture is so big here.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Because even the people now, like it was
happening back then, I'm sure,just no cell phones.
But even for our age group, thepeople that are supposed to be
out in your careers, all thisstuff, that's maybe why it is so
big.
I just don't fuck with it.
No more like and and maybethat's why because it seems
immature to us, because that'swhat it was then, but like, but

(01:37:35):
also but but also it's not whatit was anymore like when we used
to go out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
bro, bro, I don't know about you, but like I used
to like to go to like the littleteen club parties, like
somebody had like have abirthday party at a venue.
They were cool in high school,yeah, but like with somebody
from another town is throwing itor somebody from another school
is throwing it.
So you and your niggas, y'all,y'all pulling up to some other

(01:38:01):
people's shit because you aboutto be around some new chicks and
like it's actually social, yougetting twerk, you getting
numbers, where now I think theclub scene is dead for us, for
one, because it's like superyoung and we're old and washed,
but also it costs so much money.
We got to get a table, we gotto get a section right, because

(01:38:32):
the type of women that we wantto talk to, that's the type of
women that we want to talk to.
That's the type of nigga thatthey that they want to talk to,
right, yeah, so we got to do allthat shit and the return isn't
so great, whereas the way wecame up in this party scene was
bro, you might have a section,but you spend half your time in
population on the dance floor,because that's where the party's
at everybody down therepartying, having fun, and niggas
ain't doing that no more,because we done got rid of dance
floors and replaced all thedance floors with sections.
The bitches in your studio, theladies in your section, are your
ladies for the night.

(01:38:52):
You may get lucky and catch acrew when you come in.
But if you locked into thesection, bro, you ain't
necessarily going to be able tobring nothing over there,
because everything that's inthere is sectioned off.
We came up with it.
It was free-flowing.
That's why we go to the whitebars and shit, because it's
still free-flowing and peopleare bumping into each other and

(01:39:13):
you have natural casualconversation and people are
friendly with their guard.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Now it's definitely a different city now, but there's
also so many out-of-townershere.
That is what makes it different.
In reality, it ain't yournormal niggas that grew up from
here.
Everybody that's out is—they'rescammers from Chicago, they're
scammers from New York, they'rewannabe celebrity niggas from LA

(01:39:41):
, like.
Whatever it is the case is, orthen you have, then you do have
your that whoever's there thatnight let's say it's 21 savage
who's from britain, but right,but he grew up here.
So, like you think you haveyour, your actual rap, nigga,
that's from here, that's there,but like.
And then it's bbl city, it'sthe miami bitches, like, it's
like a combination of all of itand now it turns into an inner,

(01:40:05):
not an international city, butlike an international hub of
nigga.
Right, because that's kind ofwhat my, what morehouse is.
It's, it's, it's, it's.
We didn't have to go out ofstate to go to school because
out of state came to us, butit's the same thing in real life
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
I want to like people don't look at it this way, but
the AUC is the most diversecampus in the state of Georgia,
no doubt yeah.
I'm saying period, because youhave so many different people
from so many different places,from so many different walks of
life that the other schoolsdon't have different places from

(01:40:44):
so many different walks of lifethat the other schools don't
have.
So even if you take the niggaaway, but there are niggas who
go to Morehouse and Spelman whohave never been around niggas in
their life, shout out to mynigga Dale.
And I ain't saying black people, I'm saying niggas.
We went to school with niggaswho said nigga.
For the first time in collegewe went to school with niggas

(01:41:04):
who didn't like know how tounderage drink nigga.
Like.
We went to school with niggaswho also were like we're doing
coke at 14 and 15.
Like we went to school withpeople from different walks of
life like nigga.
Like you got everything.
Like in my class you got steviewonder son, and you got

(01:41:25):
motherfucking steve harvey son.
Like two legends at differentplaces in their life and from
like the time that we were incollege to the time that I
graduated, steve harvey likeelevated into like oh, he's like
, he's like the biggest host inthe world.
Yeah, he's multi-hundredmillion dollar nigga.
He ain't just hundred milliondollar, nigga, just black legend
comedian like he's yeah, he'smulti hundred million dollar,
nigga, he ain't just a hundredmillion dollar, nigga, he's just

(01:41:45):
black legend comedian.
Like he's internationalsuperstar.
He's wealthy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Yeah, he ain't rich, he's wealthy yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
And then you might meet some nigga from the west
side of Atlanta who's here on amilitary scholarship.
He just had good grades anddidn't really have much
direction.
And somebody said, hey, brolike this can get you to
morehouse.
I always want to go tomorehouse and then he's there's
street niggas that went tomorehouse, yeah, so like you

(01:42:14):
just have so much different.
Yeah, like selling drugs you gotniggas who party promoters,
niggas in the music industry.
You got, like so many differentpeople looking for different
stuff at different walks of lifethat I, I, I will say the most
diversity.
Because, dog, you're not gonnameet a gang of la niggas at uga.
You're not gonna meet a gang ofnew york niggas at uga.

(01:42:35):
You're not gonna meet a gang of, like jamaican niggas, not like
because, you know, like theisland crew they had like the
big island crew, but then theyalso broke off into their own
countries within those islandcrews yeah, we had all that and
and and again.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
That's why, when people would tell me like, uh,
like, even when it can't go toschool, they're 80 out of state,
20 in state, but even withinthat 20 in state, everybody it's
like, let's just say, half ofthe people are from the atlanta
metro area, then you got thepeople that are coming from
Dublin.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Like it's everywhere.
Niggas from Cairo Vowed Ulsteryeah they all went to the place.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
Black's here, albany.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
And like because I've met niggas who went to
Morehouse when I was living inAlbany, who went to Morehouse
and came back to Albany there isa large Morehouse contingent of
alumni down there.
Because I might be somewhereand just happen to have on a
Morehouse t-shirt, a Morehousepull-up, just have on some
Morehouse shit, they'lldefinitely approach you there,
no matter what.
I remember sitting at the barone day and I had on a Morehouse

(01:43:45):
hoodie or something and an oldhead walked up to me and was
like Sorry, I'm having troubleconnecting to the internet.
It looks like an issue with therouter's upload device and he
was like what you know aboutMorehouse?
And he started saying someon-campus and surrounding shit.
I was like man, class of 14.

(01:44:06):
Okay, class of blah, blah, blah.
Nice to meet you.
Yeah, nigga, who the fuck youchecking?
I'm too old to be a niggawearing Morehouse gear and went
there for a year and a half.
You got to know, especially whenit's a brand like Morehouse, a
brand like Spelman, a brand likeHoward.

(01:44:26):
If you did not graduate and youwent there and you are past the
college age, take that shit off.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
But how many niggas there's, the niggas that went
there for a year.
It's very, very far in betweenwhen you find somebody that went
there for a while that didn'tgraduate.
There are some, I guess, thatcould have dropped out in junior
year.
But even people don't fail torealize this Samuel L Jackson

(01:44:58):
didn't graduate.
He's somebody that didn'tgraduate.
Nobody talks about it.
He did not graduate fromMorehouse.
Yeah, but he's a little bitdifferent, I'm sure that now
maybe I don't know if he everwent back and did finish, but he
didn't finish within the timewhere he was there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
But he's also not repping Morehouse to be cool or
get his clout.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Yeah, they don't have nothing to do, but he still
shots it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Obviously he hey, hey , let's be real.
We in albany, georgia, right,and we had one of the spots that
you can go to down there, likewith the more mature crowd,
right, and I have a spot in myhead, me and you are there on a
sunday, on a sunday evening,watching a four o'clock game and
we may stay for the late game,depending on what the crowd's
like in here and we meet some 45, 50-year-olds, nice-looking

(01:45:52):
ladies right.
You know, been divorced foryears, kids grown and gone, all
of that shit right, and they'relike bro, y'all don't look
familiar, I don't know.
Y'all Cool, we start talking.
Oh, you went to Morehouse.
You know, especially theSouthern black woman, the way

(01:46:13):
she becomes disarmed andimpressed when you say I went to
Morehouse.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
And then they say did you graduate?

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
Yeah, all right.
What type of question is that?
Why would I be talking about?
Why would I be Morehouse if Iain't graduated like?

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
exactly.
And then that conversation getsreal different and like it hits
different age pockets.
But like we know what thatMorehouse brand shit is right.
So, as niggas, who'scapitalized off of that?
Samuel L Jackson's a little bitdifferent.
He can claim the school,because it's not his claim to
fame, correct, it's not his footin the door.

(01:46:50):
You know what I'm saying yeah,was it sunny digital or metro
booming.
Which one was it?
Sunny digital?

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
metro, metro, metro.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Metro's year yeah, so like metro can rep Morehouse if
he wants to.
Why?
Because Morehouse is not hisclaim to fame and like he left,
like Grant Samuel.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
He literally was blowing up while there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
He was blowing up at Morehouse and it no longer made
sense for him to stay atMorehouse, for him to become who
he is.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
Right, Mark Zuckerberg and I know completely
different price range.
No-transcript, yeah, but thatmakes sense, and I'm not mad at

(01:47:46):
Zuckerberg for wearing Harvardshit, because he can, though
they embrace him just like Samthe Morehouse embraces Sam.
Still, I would latch onto ittoo as a school.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
He was involved in the the standoff in Gloucester
or wherever?

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Gloucester's granddaughter, I think was in my
class, or was it your class?

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
Mine.
She's in mine.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Yeah, she was.
With all due respect, shout outto Mark Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Hey, he said he knocked Savannah out of the park
.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
with all due respect, See, I wasn't even talking
about that.
I was saying hand down, mandown, this guy wanted to take it
all.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
No, no, no.
That nigga said he would not.
He said because they weretalking about base softball.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
I'm just saying you're tryingto put that Mark Jackson quote
on me and that's not the onethat I was referring to what I'm
saying is I know what he said.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Everybody took it the same way I did, at least.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
I took it to his softball acumen.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
I didn't, because that nigga shouldn't be playing
softball.
He should be playing baseball,and so bigger balls, underhand
throws, that's softball.
He wouldn't be on the field forthat.
So what do you mean?
You're not playing softball.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
No, he's retired.
So when you get older you playbigger leagues.
I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
if companies do softball leagues, I don't care.
He's never worked for one.
He played in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
You don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
ESPN.
They don't have a.
Who do they go up against?
A Fox Like, who are they goingagainst?

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
They're probably big enough to play against each
other, Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
Oh, okay, the LA campus versus the.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Connecticut campus versus the DC campus, versus I'm
just saying like just inside ofBristol and New York, right,
you got enough people there.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Yeah, dude, they have a league but what is it?
Broken down in Productionversus fucking on-air talent.
I mean, what are we?

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
You probably can pick your team or buy like show slot
.
You know, buy time slot, youknow.
I'm just saying, mark Jacksoncould have been he was talking
about.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
I'd smash Savannah if I had the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
Well, that's not what I was speaking to in reference
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
Well, apparently that's the part why he got fired
, not with ESPN, but with GoldenState.
There's a lot of stuffapparently going on.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Man of the cloth.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Bet Awards yeah, I was about tosay we kind of got off track
there.
I know we went from the SERS orwhatever, but before we move to
BET, just real quick predictingthe rest of the way, what do
you think is going to happen?
I think Thunder in seven.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
I do actually think it goes seven.

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
I think the Thunder won the next two games and then
the Pacers win game six and thenthe Thunder close out at home
in game seven, because theseries is playing out like it's
a seven-game series in terms ofthe way they look.
Yesterday's game was superimportant for that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
I just I don't think I can get off this.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
What the hell is what the hell is what the hell is.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
What the hell is Paces and six man.
They haven't lost aback-to-back game since March
and they're the second-best teamsince January 1st, only to the
Thunder.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
Yeah.
Again this goes against myprediction last week, but that's
because I've watched threegames.
I just don't see the Pacersblowing three of the next four.
Right, yeah, it's three games Idon't see them blowing three of
the next four.

(01:51:45):
It just becomes a mad thing forme.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
That's fair.
I like the under seven, but yesto the Black Entertainment
Television Award show.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Hey, can you carry for a second, because I've got
to take a leak.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Well, yeah, of course I can.
We can get into how BP has.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
Just don't get into the Sportswoman of the Year
without me.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
No, of course not.
We can't not get into thataward.
That is typically the mostanticipated award of the night.
But what we can get into is howthe BET Awards maybe somewhat
revitalized where they weregoing revitalized where they

(01:52:37):
were going, BET's not beennearly as popular as it was in
the early 2000s.
And maybe the idea of usingnostalgia, like saying it's the
45th anniversary, it's the 25thanniversary of 106.
In part, that'll bring a lot ofpeople in Right, Because you're
like, oh, what surprise doesBET have this time of 106 and

(01:52:59):
Park, that'll bring a lot ofpeople in right, Because you're
like oh, what surprises does BEThave this time.
For those that don't know,obviously BET was owned by Rob
Johnson.
Maybe it's disrespectful that Icall him Rob Johnson, but
Robert Johnson he had owned BETat the time and BET sold the
Viacom.
Viacom is owned by, what I know,vh1 and MTV, but I'm almost

(01:53:21):
certain CBS has a piece of that.
Couldn't fact check myself.
Let's just see here.
Or maybe Viacom owns CBS, butlet's see.
Yeah, okay, viacom and CBS areall one company.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
You talking about the money that was put behind it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
Well, I was bringing up how for this show.
They got Kevin Hart to host.
But how?
For those that didn't remember,because they were using a lot
of Nostalgia to promote it,right, you get Kevin Hart.
That's a pretty big host Forthem to have.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
You know Kevin Hart.
I think he'll take a check fromanybody, as long as it's big
enough.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
True, but I'm just.
I guess my point is the buildupfor the show itself.
You get him to host it, you,but I was bringing up how, okay,
it's the 45th anniversary ofBET, apparently, and the 25th
anniversary of 106 and Park, andit's like, okay, you do this,

(01:54:21):
you bring in Kevin Hart to host,you're giving out a Lifetime
Achievement Award to MariahCarey, jamie Foxx, snoop Dogg
and the most popular gospelartist of Kirk Franklin yeah,
kirk Franklin I'm sorry his name, I don't know why I was

(01:54:43):
skipping my head but like themost popular gospel artist,
probably certainly of thisgeneration.
And so you sell it that way andyou're bringing the nostalgia
and the nostalgia wins.
Typically, your Falcon shirtscreams nostalgia, right, it's
classic and a lot of people,especially the people they want

(01:55:05):
to tune in.
They'll set up a Kai Sinat anda Drewski to make an appearance
on the show.
He's going to stream the wholething.
Yeah, they were streaming it.
Yeah, but this is my point.
You can bring in the youngerartists too.
A lot of them.
They might not really rememberBET Awards Now, bet Awards have

(01:55:27):
had really good moments.
They can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
Think about it Kassonot doesn't know who Wale
is.
These kids don't remember theBET Awards.
They don't remember that, likeSteve Harvey and Cedric, the
Entertainer were like the hostfor the first couple of years.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
It came as a comedy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
Yeah, like I remember when the BET Awards started
Like oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Monique when Monique did it.
Yeah, a lot of people hear allthat is like one of the best
hosting jobs ever because it'sand Monique, I was never a fan
of Monique like the Parkers,like no, I was just wasn't a big
fan, but I mean she still hasan accomplishment.
She won an Oscar or whateverlike for her role in Precious.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Like I mean there's a lot of stuff real quick.
How did you feel about Sister,sister the show like with Marcus
.
Hughes.
Like the show, like how did Ifeel about the show?
Yeah, uh it with.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Marcus Hughes.
Like the show.
Like, how did I feel about theshow?
Yeah, Uh, it's, it's, it'snostalgic to me.
I mean I was never a huge fanof Sister Sister, but like I was
more into like Proud, likeProud Family to me was more of
like like Disney Favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
Favorite character in Proud Family.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
Oh, oscar Proud, the head of the family, yeah,
Favorite female character, penny, but that's because I know what
Penny really looks like in reallife.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
But point being is, like you not being a fan of
Monique and like the Parkers,you're not a fan of like what
the Parkers stands for.
I've hung out with you.
I know what you're trying tosay of like what the Parker
stands for.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
I've hung out with you.
I know what you're trying tosay Go ahead, Go, go, go go, go,
go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go,go.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
And I'm not even just talking about like the, the
look at all, like those women,not your back.
When I asked about Sister,Sister, I'm forgetting that you
grew up in a house full of dudes, so that's just not a show
that's necessarily being put on.
The twins are attractive, yeah,but I'm saying as a nigga who

(01:57:23):
grew up with girl cousins andwe'd be at my grandmama's house
and I didn't get to control theremote.
Sister, sister on Cool Moesha,on Whatever Cool Parkers, I'm
not watching this ghettobullshit.
Come on man.

Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
It's out of my face.
Jamie Foxx show.
When you think about UPN theyhad a lineup.
Now UPN.
It was the CW network, or itturned to the CW network For
Georgia, turned to the CWnetwork For Georgia, at least I
don't know what else it wascalled.
I guess no CW is what it'scalled, but it was like Atlanta
69.

(01:58:03):
You know what I mean, becauseSmackDown used to come on there
too.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
And so like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
But when it was UPN, like SmackDown used to come on
and like you on, I don't know, Inever got into it.
I can say this it's the truth.
I was never somebody thatwatched, really, the Jamie Foxx
show, Martin any of that stuff,the Fresh Prince, I think of all

(01:58:33):
the real.
I mean the Fresh Prince.
I think of all the real, I meanthe coffee show.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
Fresh Prince wasn't necessarily a nigga show, though
it was a black show.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
So it's weird.
I'm not saying these othershows weren't proud
representations of black people,but I always gravitated more
towards the Fresh prince and thecosby show.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
That to me felt real I was, if that makes sense I was
fresh prince cosby but alsojamie fox, because the one thing
about jamie fox, right withjamie, was living the struggling
niggas dream in la, but hisaunt and uncle also like did own
hotel.
It was funny and goofy but itwasn't on some Bummy shit.

(01:59:18):
My mom didn't really let mewatch the Bummy nigga shows.
I didn't watch a lot of Sanfordand Son as a kid.
I watched a little bit becauseit's just hilarious, but we
didn't watch a lot of that.
I didn't watch-.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
Or Good Times, good Times.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
You showed that got syndicated.
I didn't watch.
I didn't watch Good Times.
I don't have a relationshipwith Good Times.
I know the characters,obviously because I've seen it
before Florida.
I didn't watch Good Times.
I watched the Jeffersonsbecause, again, prosperous
niggas.
I watched.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
You're a big Seinfeld fan.
I know that's not a black show.
You love Seinfeld.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
I picked that up in college though.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
The New Yorkers.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
Yeah, I mean, I love Seinfeld, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
King of the Hill is my favorite show ever.

Speaker 2 (02:00:13):
If I didn't have the support system that I have in
Georgia you know like,especially with like summers and
all of that stuff that I'm notgoing to talk about on here, I
would move to New York like now.
I like New York.
I would just find a job upthere, get me an apartment in
Jersey and just say fuck it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
New.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
York is awesome I love New York.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
But back to the black TV shows in general.
I was never.
I mean it's.
When it came to the real TVshows with actual, not animation
.
I don't know.
I mean, aside from the Cosbyshow, and maybe it's because of

(02:01:00):
Nick at Night, right Like, nickat Night's a big part of this
too.
Yeah, prince and Cosby show areon Nick at Night every night,
and I feel like that's why Ididn't tune in to UPN, I mean
outside of for wrestling, butlike I didn't tune in to UPN, so
like, but I didn't tune intoUPN, I never caught back up on
it syndicated, either If I couldwatch it on Netflix or whatever
.
It just wasn't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
I'll tell you what happened to me.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Wait, one more thing With my parents too.
I know your mom is probablycloser to my dad's age.
Same thing with my mom is, ifshe were alive today, how old my
mom would be.
My mom was born in 1961.
So she would be 64.
Yeah yeah like my parent, and mydad is going to be 67 next

(02:01:49):
month.
Like my parents are like kindof old, like in a sense of I,
the comedy show was somethingthat they watched, but even with
brothers.
My Laris would be 82.
He would be 43 this year.
Donis is 39.
The stuff that went for one.
The age gap is so great towhere I wasn't sitting up

(02:02:13):
watching TV with them either.
They didn't watch wrestlingwith us.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
They knew about wrestling.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
But if we had a pay-per-view they'd be like oh,
hulk Hogan's still wrestling.
Right, they talk about shitlike that, but I didn't watch TV
with them.
So the TV that I watched wasalways me, justice and Tars and
I don't know.
We didn't gravitate towardsthat type of TV.
Even HBO.
I never watched the Wire, Inever watched the Sopranos.

(02:02:42):
I didn't watch those shows.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
I didn't start watching the Sopranos until two
years ago.
Your TV watching experience isso different because it's
curated inside your house, rightBroken up amongst age brackets.

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
We watch the Simpsons Like we would watch the
Simpsons, like I know all theclassic Simpsons shit.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
Like so, like so.
Here's my TV watchingexperience.
Right, you have what I watch onmy own at my house, literally
down the hill from me, likecurrently as we speak speak.
But even when I was a kid wasmy cousin tj.
Right, he was at that point anonly child and as we got older,
like he has a younger brother,but his younger brother is nine

(02:03:26):
years younger than him thatnigga had no tv watching fucking
rights ever around us right sothen I got some of the stuff
that me and him watch and Iwatch with him like he was into
dragon ball z and shit.
I wasn't really into it, butlike I got into it.
And then I I rocked with it.
But like I could miss anepisode, like I'm not missing

(02:03:46):
the episode, like I'm watchingaround the horn and pti before
I'm watching, like right, I waswatching sports, like yeah,
that's why I don't watch TV.

Speaker 1 (02:03:56):
Even today, I don't watch TV.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
I was a sports center baseball tonight, basketball
tonight, nfl tonight, whateverthe fuck it is.
I'm watching ESPN all day long.
I'm not changing the channel.
That was me as a kid, right,and then in the evening I watch
Timmy Turner and all that shit.
But anyways, then you take mycousins, akiva and Jasmine, who
are girls, and all of thesecousins I'm talking about are

(02:04:22):
older than me and the way myfamily work is, otis gets to
make decisions and then it getspassed down.
So, like by the time it was myturn to have the remote, I think
everybody's asleep and we spenda lot of time at my grandmama's
house because, again, all ofthis stuff is walking distance
right yeah so I am taking in thesensibilities of other people's

(02:04:42):
households and what theirparents allow and what their
parents push or what they watchwith their parents, and that's
building my entire tv watchingexperience.
So, like we wasn't watchingJamie Foxx at my house, we
wasn't watching the WayansBrothers at my house, but like I
became fans of these shows fromgoing to my cousin's house or
being at my grandmama's houseand they got the remote.
I didn't grow up watchingMartin.

(02:05:03):
I seen episodes, but like Ididn't get into Martin until
college, I watched Jamie Foxx asa kid but then I went back and
watched it like grown and Iwatched kid, but then I went
back and watched it like grownso and I watched, like all 100
episodes, one to 100, whichgives you a different
perspective right, because youpick up on everything too
yeah, nigga, I didn't watch adifferent world until after

(02:05:25):
college and like that became,that became what I watched when
I was like in these militaryenvironments that were not
reflective of HBCU and thatwould like recenter me because
it's like, oh, I'm back at homebecause, yeah, different
characters.
But like you can tie people andpersonalities to the characters

(02:05:45):
on the show and you see thecampus because that was shot in
the AUC, you can see familiarplaces and buildings and go,
right, hillman is just the AUCRight.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
So familiar places and buildings, and go right,
hillman is just the AUC, right.
So, and I'm sure thatespecially you know it's a good
point.
You brought up being in themilitary too.
I know that, obviously,especially when y'all depending
on I know at least in the caselike of anyone.

(02:06:16):
I don't know how that stuffworks when you're on a ship or
whatever, but even in adifferent country you're
exploring, you're cultured,you're getting cultured going
out in different countries.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
But when it does come to stuff like that, because of
not only the time difference forlive TV but being able to look
at stuff like that, I feel likethat would be an opportunity
time to even be able to catch upto see it, this type of stuff,
and well, yeah, because when Iwas in bahrain, like you're

(02:06:52):
watching, because like you'rewatching Bahrain cable and like
yeah, you can get the footballgames and like you can get NFL
and all of that stuff throughthe VPN and stuff, but like the
timing is so off because if wewant to watch, like when I want
to watch the fat, when I waswatching the Falcons, or I'm
staying up like latest shit andthen the game coming on 3, 4, 5

(02:07:17):
am.
It's a seven-hour difference, so8 o'clock, oh I mean, but 1
o'clock window is fine.
But, bro, you know how I watchfootball.
I'm watching football all day.

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
Right the 1, 4, 8 o'clock.

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
I just missed the 4 o'clock window for a year
because, nigga, I'm asleep likewe're after the one o'clock
window to wake up to watch theeight and then, exactly then you
watch the eight o'clock game.
Like you get up, go to the gymand you're watching the game,
like in the gym eating breakfast, and like you're damn near late
for work watching the game.
But because of that, whenyou're at home on a tuesday,

(02:07:54):
what the fuck am I gonna watch?
You start watching series, youknow what I mean?
Yeah, so, so.
But I'll tell you another funnything about being in a
different country and likefinding, like the culture and
stuff, especially from themilitary point of view, where
you got to find the niggas, ofcourse, like because, and like

(02:08:16):
for us as southern niggas, wegotta find niggas with southern
sensibilities too, because, yeah, bro, we meet some cali niggas
and midwest niggas and them theonly niggas we got cool.
But like I, I feel like a lot oftimes the south we don't get
credit, especially like georgia,atlanta bay, south for how

(02:08:36):
snobby we are when it comes tobeing around niggas.
Because I got a partner, likein new york right now and he's
like nigga niggas up here, lameas hell, bro, they just think
they so this and that becausethey new york and they from new
york and niggas be telling mebro, bro, you gotta do this, you
gotta do that and bro, I justkeep it.
P do my same shit and nigga.

(02:08:58):
It's nothing Like bro.
Y'all niggas are corny and I'vebeen out of the state with you.
We carry that same aura andshit.
It's like you don't haveappreciation for bone crushing,
nigga.

Speaker 1 (02:09:18):
If you're Southern, I mean, obviously it's a sin if
you're from Georgia and youdon't.
It's the same thing with PastorTroy right.

Speaker 2 (02:09:29):
But, like one of my partners who I talked about
earlier, Lowe's Godfather Choo.
Shout out to my nigga Choo,he's from South Carolina, right
across from Augusta.
Culturally we're not verydifferent.
Yeah, he's South Carolina, I'mGeorgia.
Nigga, we listen to the samemusic.

Speaker 1 (02:09:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
You got a little bit more Geechee culture in you than
I do, but you a nigga who grewup playing football Listening to
rap.
He's like you're a nigga.
But back to the BET Awards.
They sold a massage on this.

Speaker 1 (02:10:13):
Bro, that was a six-hour show, though that shit
was long as hell, it was sixhours, yeah, something like that
like what do they start likeeight or 8, 30, right, it's like
bro, that shit was on.

Speaker 2 (02:10:24):
It was on like once I'm because I was up.
I was up like super late thatnight and, like it was on,
stepped outside I came yeah,still like a five hour show.

Speaker 1 (02:10:31):
That's long and I you know that's classic bt, though
when you think about it, thosebt shows used to run long um
they would always go over howdid you feel about gloria tap
dancing?
So I liked her performance nowwhat I saw was obviously she did

(02:10:51):
the, which was the song whenthat album dropped.
I thought that was the bestsong on the album in my opinion,
because the beat's menacing,and then also just let her cook.
I thought the shit.
I thought her shit was dope.

Speaker 2 (02:11:05):
They set up the whole kitchen and she still had ass,
but it was like I think she gota little ass work done.

Speaker 1 (02:11:20):
Just a little slight little ass work done.
She says None was done there.
She said, of course I got mytitties done.
She has Most improved player,no doubt.

Speaker 2 (02:11:28):
You know if you remember?

Speaker 1 (02:11:29):
You remember we, on one of these shows that we've
done, we did a.
I guess it was something we saw, but it was like a fuck, kill
marry type thing, it was sexyred Sukiyama and Glorilla.
And I had said we killedSukiyama, but we swapped on

(02:11:50):
those two specifically.

Speaker 2 (02:11:54):
I married Glorilla.

Speaker 1 (02:11:55):
Right, and I said now , give me Sexy Red to marry,
because Sexy Red was to me, ifyou get through all of it, she
was the most attractive.

Speaker 2 (02:12:07):
Sexy Red's pretty as hell, if you actually take all
that shit off.

Speaker 1 (02:12:12):
She's attractive.
She actually does look good.
She's right there.

Speaker 2 (02:12:16):
Yeah, but she's naturally beautiful.

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
My thought with Glorilla is I'm like, oh well,
she'll be a cannon in the bed atleast.
I'm like, yeah, she doesn'treally have all that, but she's
probably wild.
Now I'm more on your team whenit comes to that.
I'd probably fuck Se sexy redand now I'd marry Glorilla.

Speaker 2 (02:12:42):
You know, I saw the future.
I saw the future.

Speaker 1 (02:12:48):
Okay, let me name the next best GM.
I'm a nigga that just knowstalent.
Could I compare you to?
Okay, bill Polian.

Speaker 2 (02:13:01):
Look here, man.
I would never ask Lamar Jacksonto play wide receiver, but like
I trust my eye for talent, didyou listen to any other Tyler
Perry speech?

Speaker 1 (02:13:14):
I did, I saw, so a I did I saw, so I a lot of it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
I went once I, before you get too deep, I want to
joke around a little bit.
Do you believe his son saidwhat he said?

Speaker 1 (02:13:28):
Oh, the walking thing in the sand?
No, I think that was made forTV.
Um, hey pop?

Speaker 2 (02:13:34):
no, I think that was made for tv.
How do you feel about tylerperry and his portrayal of black
people in his movies versuswhat he says when he gets in
front of people?

Speaker 1 (02:13:45):
well, he said that it's because of how he grew up
and what he saw that he wantsthose stories to be told.
And I don't disagree with whathe's saying, but a lot of what
he does too.
I mean, I'm not trying to befunny.
He's popular for, uh, dressingup as a woman, right, and so
like that's how all of this gotstarted.
You can't change that.

(02:14:07):
We all know medea is how, whichgood for him that he parlayed
it into what it is like.
Great for him.
But let's not get away from theidea that that's why he's
famous.
He's famous for being Madea.
That's why Maybe he's changedthat narrative.
But that's why we know who heis, because he dressed up as a

(02:14:29):
woman and he played a country, aGeorgia grandmother in his eyes
.
What a Georgia grandmotherlooks like.

Speaker 2 (02:14:38):
My grandmother isn't like that.
She's from Georgia, by the way.

Speaker 1 (02:14:41):
See and see and look.
And that's another.
Like my family, I'm firstgeneration Georgia.
My parents neither of myparents, my families aren't from
here.
My parents are from Texas andDelaware so they meet here but
like my family's not from here.
But anything that I know, evenabout the South anyways, outside

(02:15:02):
of that, like that girl itselfisn't.
So that's why him saying whathe said don't like, I'm like,
nah, he made that shit up.

Speaker 2 (02:15:14):
I've seen similar characters Keep going.

Speaker 1 (02:15:15):
I've seen similar.

Speaker 2 (02:15:16):
Okay, like I've seen similar characters from like the
medea character that tylerperry portrays, but it's not the
norm.
The norm is way closer to thecicely tyson character and like
tower of a mad black woman, likethat's.
That's kind of what thegrandmother is, she.
She's usually a quiet staple inthe family who's well-respected

(02:15:40):
and doesn't say much, but whenshe speaks that's what we listen
to, it's, it's.
It's like Medea is more of likeyour wild auntie and now she's
somebody's grandmama, but likeshe's viewed as auntie, not
grandmama, you mama, but she'sviewed as auntie, not grandmama.

Speaker 1 (02:15:57):
Medea is the Harriet Tubmanbiopic that came out not too
long ago.
It was like gun-toting HarrietTubman.

Speaker 2 (02:16:05):
That's what Medea is.
I have a great aunt who waslike that.

Speaker 1 (02:16:12):
Was she pulling out a gun at somebody's house?

Speaker 2 (02:16:17):
gun at somebody's house not at somebody's, but uh,
I'll tell you.
I'll tell you a story off, offmic, uh, that I that I can share
, but I will share one here thatI'm comfortable sharing.
Like she, I remember being akid I used to stay.
I used to stay at her house alot and me and my mom were over
there kicking it one day and shewas telling a story about how
she heard somebody behind thehouse moving around and she said

(02:16:40):
she had a pistol sitting in herlap and when Holmes tried to
climb in she said, nigga, whatyou think you doing, pointing
that pistol at him and he left.
Now, I don't know if she wastelling the truth in the story,
right at him, and he left.
Now, I don't know if she wastelling the truth in the story
right, but I do know that therewas a pistol right by her little
station, on the couch.

(02:17:01):
Shout out to my great aunt DipSnuff.
See, that's some shit.
They be missing, like niggas'grandmama's Dip Snuff in the
South.

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
It's definitely a thing, and I guess, guess, you
know, and here's the thing too,although my uh family is not
from georgia, uh, certainly,with the texas aspect of it,
that's still south they carryguns down there.
Yeah, exactly so.
And again, my dad grew up DirtRoad.

Speaker 2 (02:17:40):
Yeah, and that's a different kind of gun-toting
culture, because I come from asimilar gun-toting culture where
, like I got my first pelletrifle when I was like 7'8" you
know what I mean Like niggasshooting shotguns at 9, 10 years
old.
I mean like niggas shootingshotguns at nine, 10 years old
and like you're just around gunsbut like you're taught so much
about guns and gun safety andnot playing around with guns,

(02:18:01):
like these are not for violence,this is for hunting, this is
for shooting.
But like you know, you don't.
So like I tell you, it's whereI get torn, because I do think
gun culture in America isunhealthy.
I do think gun culture inAmerica is unhealthy, but I hate
to hear, like the uber liberalvoices who aren't tied into gun
culture at all, speak about gunculture, because a lot of gun

(02:18:22):
culture is about safety andbeing responsible with guns and
understand that like, hey, thisis a, this is a tool mainly to
hunt that can also cause seriousharm to people.
But like that's not, that'sreally not what we're on, right,
but again, that's my experience.
But back to the bet awards.

(02:18:43):
Um, I think one of the most uh,startling moments of the of the
night, besides tyler perry lyingbecause we figured he'd do that
was angel reese, uh, winningthe three-time Female Athlete of
the Year award and you know,angel did have a good rookie
season.
I don't know if it's great.

(02:19:07):
But Clarissa Shields she hadsome comments and she was like
still don't know how I didn'twin the Sportswoman of the Year
at BET Awards.
But congrats to Angel Reese andall the other nominees.
I just thought accolades matterand although Clarissa was
throwing shade and this could beseen as petty, nasty work
whatever the hell you want tocall it I think it's a

(02:19:30):
legitimate conversation to have,because what is the standard
for the award?
And then if Angel Reese getsthe award, she's in season, so
she's not going to be there.
What do you gain from givingher the award when there are

(02:19:53):
obviously more deserving players?
Aja Wilson was a nominee andthey play in the same league.
Aja Wilson was the MVP of thatleague.
Angel Reese didn't even getrookie of the year.

Speaker 1 (02:20:07):
They won a gold medal .

Speaker 2 (02:20:09):
She won a gold medal and she got to the finals.
Angel didn't make the playoffs.
Juju Watkins had a great runfrom this time last year at USC,
but unfortunately she got hurt,so I understand why that
disqualifies her.
Clarissa Shields is a champion.
Coco Gauff you know what I'msaying.

(02:20:29):
Simone Biles, simone.

Speaker 1 (02:20:31):
Biles.
I was like man, why can't Cocoget it?
I?

Speaker 2 (02:20:36):
can understand why Coco didn't get it, because her
victory was just so recent, but,like Simone Biles smokes shit
at the Olympics.
What are we talking about?
Like that is more significantthan anything Angel Reese
accomplished.
And I promise you guys, we arenot an anti-Angel Reese podcast.

(02:20:59):
I think we are more of anhonest Angel Reese podcast
because we understand her star,we understand who she is when
you talk about her.

Speaker 1 (02:21:05):
Well, we watch the games.

Speaker 2 (02:21:06):
Yeah, but we also watch the games.
So we want to level set so thatwe have an honest conversation
about who Angel Reese is.
And it's not to bash her whenit's negative.
It is to try to have an honestconversation about who the hell
she is.
But I don't know how she beatsAsia Wilson, like if we just

(02:21:27):
Angel to Asia one's the MVP.
It's not like Stewie won theMVP last year.
Asia won the MVP.

Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
She Asia won the MVP.

Speaker 2 (02:21:39):
She's won back to back, I think and this isn't
coming off of Angel's collegeseason either, where she had a
great college championshipcollege season and then killed
shit going straight into the W.
That's not really what happened.
Yeah, that was definitely goingstraight into the W.

Speaker 1 (02:21:55):
That's not really what happened.
Yeah, that was definitely thebiggest miscarriage of justice
of the night, based on thisstuff that I saw.
I was surprised Kenny Lamar wasthere, because I watched his
speech, because I knew they wereon tour, which actually they're
according to Twitter.
They're in Toronto tonight,which is, you know, interesting

(02:22:17):
place.

Speaker 2 (02:22:19):
But I'm surprised they're there too.
They cut the check man.
It's in LA.

Speaker 1 (02:22:25):
It's in LA, I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:22:26):
Totally right, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:22:28):
Hey, he's won that award like four years in running
.
He's only had two albums comeout in like that time span.

Speaker 2 (02:22:36):
Well, you know, that's the problem with awards.
You know, if we put together anaward show, I promise you guys
some of the awards will becooked.
We would give awards to peoplelike for the sake of a show.
We would give awards to peoplejust to make sure that they come
to like ensure that we sell acertain number tickets I wasn't
surprised.

Speaker 1 (02:22:53):
I saw doji one um hip-hop woman of the year and
she had a touching speech aboutice and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:23:08):
But um, nobody you want to talk about that.
A little bit like her onehaving the courage to go out
there and make that speech,given what it could do to her as
an entity, people that buy hermusic.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
It wasn't going to change that, though.

Speaker 2 (02:23:27):
I'm talking about the people behind her who make sure
that her music is gettingbought.

Speaker 1 (02:23:32):
Well, they're Jewish, she's not Kanye.
She didn't say anything.
She didn't say anything.
She didn't say shit about Gaza,true.
She said shit about DonaldTrump, which we know from a
white people perspective.
That's a half and a half You'reeither on one side or the other
when it comes to Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (02:23:54):
I think your boy, Donald Trump, is fucking up man
Like more and more stuff isstarting to happen to where I'm
like, where.

Speaker 1 (02:24:03):
I wasn't when Elon turned his back.

Speaker 2 (02:24:06):
Well, not even when Elon turned his back, but the
way he responds to Elon turninghis back, where he's now talking
about.
One of the biggest issues withthe budget is the breaks that we
give to Elon and the contractswe're giving him, and I'm like,
well, if that's the case, why ishe allowed to be a part of that

(02:24:26):
decision-making process?
That's obviously a conflict ofinterest.
And then you're talking aboutpulling stuff from him because
y'all aren't cool anymore.
And then Elon wants to come outand say that, hey, trump's not
releasing the Epstein stuffbecause he's involved in it.
Yeah, we fucking know they'reon flight logs together.
They're cool.

Speaker 1 (02:24:44):
They're all involved, though I'm not making an excuse
for him, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (02:24:49):
It's not breaking news when you tell us that right
.

Speaker 1 (02:24:56):
Yeah, they know he hung out with him.
That's not breaking news now.
Did he fuck minors?

Speaker 2 (02:25:00):
is the question now that you got Elon apologizing
and then you got what's my man'sname?
Who uh, no, no Trump's guy.

Speaker 1 (02:25:10):
Cash, the FBI dude.

Speaker 2 (02:25:13):
I wasn't even talking about that.
I was talking about the fatfuck um not Chrissy no, here's
his name.
Where is he at?
Steve Bannon, who seemed likehe was trying to push Elon out
because he wanted Trump's earand Elon had his ear.

(02:25:34):
It just looks extremely nasty.
And then some are saying hedeployed ice as a distraction
from what Elon is saying.
I'm not sure if that's what itwas, but I am sure that I'm very
confident, based on thereporting that's come out of LA,
that the, the national, gettingthe National Guard out there,

(02:25:55):
deploying the Marines out there,only made things worse.
It didn't actually make thingsbetter.
You know, I know you're goingto defend your guy, though.

Speaker 1 (02:26:09):
I'm not defending them.
No, it's not a defense, like Imean again the reason I even
voted for him I wanted what Ithought no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (02:26:18):
Let's not talk about what you voted for, because you
weren't voting for your race,Regardless of who I voted for.

Speaker 1 (02:26:25):
you want what's best for the country.
I think everybody should be onthe same page with that.
There shouldn't be thisbiasness that you hold for
something.

Speaker 2 (02:26:35):
We're not talking about bias right now.
We're talking about actualpolicy and decisions that are
being made.

Speaker 1 (02:26:39):
We had a constitution right.

Speaker 2 (02:26:42):
We had a president who's a Republican president,
who talks about small governmentdeploying a National Guard
inside of a state where thegovernor of that state, who
typically makes that decision,did not make that decision.
Yet that's what we're talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (02:26:55):
He felt like it was out of hand.
And I mean, based on pictures,it doesn't look like anything I
haven't seen in Californiabefore, hey-oh, but you know,
but historically that's not thepresident's decision.

Speaker 2 (02:27:11):
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (02:27:12):
I agree?
No for sure.
That's why we have governors.
But, like again, I don't know.
I'm not defending them, myhands they're tied in a sense of
.
Look, I don't watch TV and it'snot.
I'm not sitting here talkinguninformed, but I guess the

(02:27:32):
thing is is more along the linesof I don't really know what's
going on in la, we can see thepictures, the reporting, we know
that, the scope of thesituation and like why, we know
the why, but I don't know whatdamage is truly being done.

Speaker 2 (02:27:48):
like but does that mean that he's right?

Speaker 1 (02:27:51):
for doing that.

Speaker 2 (02:27:51):
No, but like I'm saying, but, like, the point
that I'm making is, the peoplewho are connected to California,
the people who are connected toLos Angeles, are saying, hey,
yes, there is some violent stuffhappening down here.
That is happening, but it isnot to the degree that it's
being portrayed as.
We're overusing pictures, we'reusing outdated pictures to sell

(02:28:14):
this narrative.
And now we have the NationalGuard here, which is now
increasing our protesters andalso inciting our protesters to
become more hostile, becauseit's like what the hell are you
doing?
We already disagree with whatyou're doing, and now you're
going to put the strong arm ofthe military out here in front
of us.
And it's a, again, a presidentfrom a party that says less

(02:28:36):
government using more government.

Speaker 1 (02:28:40):
Well, I look at it.
This you sent me this onInstagram here about the Florida
sheriff that said this, and Ifeel like that's what type of
precedence he's trying to set,because he feels like Gavin
Newsom wasn't doing.
What this sheriff did is sayingthat's what he pointed out.

Speaker 2 (02:28:56):
Because I'm not trying to be funny Now wait.

Speaker 1 (02:29:00):
This is a Democratic country, right?
Yes, you're not doing this inany other country, because in
any other country you arefucking dead.
They're not allowing this.
So if he feels like it'sgetting, far out of hand In
Western countries.

Speaker 2 (02:29:15):
That of hand In Western countries, that is
allowed.

Speaker 1 (02:29:17):
Most Western countries are Democratic
Republicans, but you know whatI'm saying I'm saying you're not
doing that, nobody's doing this, and I know it's Russia, but
you're not doing this anywhereelse.

Speaker 2 (02:29:28):
Nobody else.
You can't do this anywhere else, but you're not a Western
country, that's East Europe.

Speaker 1 (02:29:34):
I know that, but I'm just saying you're not doing
this anywhere else.

Speaker 2 (02:29:41):
In Westernized countries.
You are.
This happens in Westerncountries.

Speaker 1 (02:29:45):
Well, look, he's saying look, we're going to stop
fucking throwing rocks and shitat cars, we're going to stop
all this bullshit, this nonsense.
Now, look, I know that evensome of the footage they're like
the protests have been over,Like there was one the one that
was here on Buford, and it waslike people defacing a police

(02:30:06):
car or like something.
But the protests have been overand it's other people.
Right, it's not, but it doesn'thelp because it opens the door
for people to want to be able todo it Now look, I don't agree
with him.
Sending federal the governmentlike sending anything to

(02:30:28):
California.
I agree with him for I don'tknow what.
Now again, I told you Isaacliterally interviewed him.
He called him a liar is whatGavin Newsom said in that
interview, but I don't know whattype of conversation they had.
Wasn't a good one because if hestepped over him and said nah,
I'm going to send somemotherfuckers over there because

(02:30:49):
y'all you're bullshitting.

Speaker 2 (02:30:51):
He did, he did and like even he told like his
borders are he's.
Like if I were him, I wouldlock him up.
Like he's overstepping.
Like he's overstepping and itcreates, inciting more bullshit.

(02:31:11):
Like can we just not have chaos?
Because, like what he wrotesome shit out today, to where
you know what I mean.
Like like can we just not havechaos?
Cause, like what he wrote someshit out today, to where they're
now not going to deport, uh, uh, immigrants who work in certain
career fields.
You know why?
Cause the farming industry isgetting fucked by these stupid

(02:31:31):
mass deportations.

Speaker 1 (02:31:35):
Well, but that gets back to the main issue right
With, I think, a part of why,outside of people that aren't
supposed to be here being here,you know they'll blame the crime
, like the thing that happenedto the girl that went to UGA,
even here.

Speaker 2 (02:31:51):
Those are outliers.
They are outliers.

Speaker 1 (02:31:53):
You're absolutely right.
It's just like there's morecrime going on in the hood.
It's stereotyping, that's whatit is.

Speaker 2 (02:32:04):
There's more crime in the hood than there is.

Speaker 1 (02:32:09):
If we were walking in Beverly Hills right now, they
don't care that we went toMorehouse, we're fathers, we
study degrees, we're not drugusers, like they don't care,
right.
But if we're walking andthere's a white woman that tucks
her purse and she says theylook like they were about to rob
me, they're going to take herside, right.

(02:32:30):
But I think that when it comesto it, the point is that they
aren't supposed to be here.
I'm not in agreeance withgetting.
I am somebody that has mademoney.
Yeah Well, I wouldn't sayexploit they got.
I didn't say exploit.

Speaker 2 (02:32:49):
I said employed, I said employed.

Speaker 1 (02:32:51):
Yeah, I've employed illegal aliens I don't even like
that term, just like the babymama thing.
I don't like that, like that'sa bad way to look at it people
that are not registered citizens.
I've employed them and some ofthem were some of the best.
I mean, they've invited me totheir homes, uh, to have, and I

(02:33:14):
hate that.

Speaker 2 (02:33:14):
I don't sound like donald trump to have siestas
like all this but like no, my,my, my, my daughter's mother,
I'm saying like her parents wereillegal immigrants and they
came to america and they forgeda pretty good fucking life, and
I know that, that kind of slants, my view on this sometimes.
Uh, I'm not with those who sayyou can't be illegal on stolen

(02:33:37):
land.
Yes, you can.
Once I steal it and make itmine, I get to make the rules.
I think we have an immigrationproblem, but I think we also are
a country that's built onstandards and processes and
sometimes those processes canextend obvious situations.

(02:33:57):
But at the same time, there arepeople who go to trial and they
win because of the evidencewhether they should win or not,
right, but they are able todefend themselves.
Kicking people out of thecountry without due process and
locking them in prisons in aforeign country that's not even
their home country.
I just think that'sunacceptable and it doesn't

(02:34:21):
matter.
It doesn't matter if theindividual broke the law.
The entity, the country, thestate, whatever the government,
is supposed to be above the tickfor tack and Trust its system,
trust its process to workthrough the bad apples.

Speaker 1 (02:34:39):
It's a broken system.

Speaker 2 (02:34:41):
Yeah, it's a broken system.
But we can't use the excuse ofa broken system to then not use
it without changing it.
You can't be more strict thanthe system until you make the
system strict officially right.
You can't just start justtaking away people's rights that

(02:35:04):
they are supposed to havewithout officially taking away
those rights by the law of yourland.
You're supposed to uphold thelaw of your land.
It doesn't matter if the systemis broke, unless you're going
to fix the system.
You have to uphold the law ofyour land.
It doesn't matter if the systemis broke, unless you're going
to fix the system.
You have to uphold thestandards of the system.

Speaker 1 (02:35:20):
But he's also doing everything that he can.
I mean, I know executive ordersand stuff are not supposed to
be used this way, but he hasthat power for a reason, and so
it's like he can continue to dothis if he wants to enforce the
law, because the law is youcan't be here technically.

Speaker 2 (02:35:40):
No, no, no.
But with you not being able tobe here technically, once you
are here, you are entitled todue process to get you out of
here.

Speaker 1 (02:35:49):
That's absolutely true too.
Yeah, exactly, that's the point.

Speaker 2 (02:35:53):
But these people aren't getting due process.
They're getting the fuck up outof here before the process.
So if you're not going to givethem due process, you can't just
kick them out.
You have to give them theprocess before you kick them out
, even if they're not supposedto be here.

Speaker 1 (02:36:06):
I agree with you, but for him it's open shut case
because, okay, where's yourdocumentation that you're from
here?
And if they don't have it, thenthey're from here.

Speaker 2 (02:36:17):
That's not the law of the land.
It doesn't matter what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (02:36:20):
No, I'm with you, but I'm just looking at it from
that perspective, like a why,like the why it's happening that
way.

Speaker 2 (02:36:26):
That why does not matter when.
That why is definitively wrong.
It's not up for debate.
It's not up for interpretation.
It's not up for debate.
It's not up for interpretation.
It is definitively wrong.
So it is irresponsible.
It's a juxtaposition, is whatit is.

Speaker 1 (02:36:42):
No, it's not a juxtaposition.

Speaker 2 (02:36:43):
If your boss says be here at 8 o'clock every fucking
day you're supposed to be hereat 8 o'clock.
It doesn't matter if you don'taffect production, the rule is
be here at 8 o'clock.
It doesn't matter if you don'taffect production, the rule is
be here at 8 o'clock.
Now, if the rule is for you tobe fired for being late, is your

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boss writing you up for notbeing here for 8?

Speaker 1 (02:37:08):
o'clock.
If you're there at 8.01, itdoesn't change anything.

Speaker 2 (02:37:12):
Right.
But here's the thing If yourboss does not write you up for
showing up at 801, 805, 830, andthen just goes in to fire you,
that employee should either beretained by HR hey, where's the
paper trail?
No paper trail, Sorry.
Make a paper trail manager.
Do you want to lose yourfucking job for not doing your
job appropriately?

(02:37:32):
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (02:37:34):
They have that in the system.
Huh, I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:37:39):
well, I would think, depending on the job, but I'm
saying the policy is you have tohave the documentation that you
sat down with this person andsaid, hey, this is your
deficiency.
If you continue to do this, youwill be terminated.
Here is your action plan tocorrect your deficiency, right?

(02:38:04):
If that's company policy, whichis the due process, right, yeah
, if that is, even if themotherfucker been late all these
times but you didn't write themup, you don't still get to fire
them.
And if you do fire them,they're entitled to suing the
fucking company and getting paidwhatever lost wages that them
and a lawyer can can say isreasonable and the judge agrees

(02:38:25):
upon, and you should have to paythem out.
Donald trump is saying hey, hey, all of you motherfuckers
deserve to be fired.
I think most of you deserve tobe fired, not all of y'all, but
because y'all in the same groupand this group is always late,
all y'all motherfuckers fired.
No, you that.
That is wrong.
That is absolutely wrong.
Even that's why I'm with you.

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I'm with you, right, it's wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:38:48):
well, stop, you can't defend it no, I'm not defending
it, I'm, I'm.
I'm giving you the argument forwhy it's being done and how.
Because, again, oh wait, wait,wait, wait, wait.
Just what you just said.

Speaker 2 (02:39:01):
We should be responsible for us to have that
argument.
We need to say, hey, this iswhat is being done and this is
wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:39:08):
I don't agree with it .
But the example, even theexample you just gave, for
instance, you can fire peopleand not give them a fucking
reason.

Speaker 2 (02:39:18):
So that's an out I'm just saying it's an out whether
that's the real reason you can'tquestion why I create.
The reason why I I spoke to theway that I did was to create
those parameters.
You are using real lifeparameters that can be used.

Speaker 1 (02:39:37):
But it's the same thing.
It's the same thing with you.
This is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:39:41):
I'm saying, like in certain companies, right, it is
written in a way to where you,if you are fired, it has to meet
certain criteria.
If it does not meet thatcriteria then you cannot be
terminated, even if you've donethings that met that criteria.
But it was not properlycaptured.

Speaker 1 (02:40:02):
OK, but and so I know that it's not directly us with
the icing but even from thebusiness standpoint I mean, I'm
going through that now with thelawsuits I have because,
business to business, ithappened to me Like it's not,
that getting got rid of you isokay, like there's nothing I

(02:40:23):
can't do shit about that, butlike what I can do is what we
had in place and what the law ofthe land says, which is why I'm
suing somebody.

Speaker 2 (02:40:34):
But what happens if you don't get to file that
lawsuit?
You file that lawsuit beforeit's even reviewed.

Speaker 1 (02:40:38):
It's thrown out, fuck you well that's what happened
it has to get to that point.
It has to even get there tobegin with, because a lot of
times and it costs money and Iknow that there are there are
civil rights types, attorneysthat will take on an immigrant's
case for free because theybelieve in their heart just like
a lot of people in a democracyin just the idea of this is

(02:40:58):
wrong, like just their heart.
They're like nah, like, waivethe lawyer fees because you
don't have to have the money tobe able to do it.
But all I'm saying is is that,from the government standpoint,
if the law says that there's away of entering this country and
they're not giving them achance to do it, but in order

(02:41:18):
for you to have the chance to doit, you would have had to have
this and you don't have this.

Speaker 2 (02:41:23):
It's hard to argue that, no, it's not hard to argue
, because it says once you enterthis country, for us to kick
you out of this country it hasto go this step, this step, this
step.
So who give the fuck if you'veforwarded all the steps to enter
the country?
Once you're here, you areprotected by american laws, so I

(02:41:46):
don't give a fuck about they'renot supposed to be here.
That's irrelevant.
That is fucking irrelevant.
And you even providing thecounter argument to this is
irresponsible, because you knowit's fucking wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:42:03):
I'm on your side I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (02:42:06):
The way you are presenting your argument is that
you are defending what's beingdone.

Speaker 1 (02:42:12):
I'm not defending it.
I'm telling you how they'relooking at it.
I don't give a fuck how they'relooking at it because they're
looking is not wrong.
I'm telling it how they'relooking at it.

Speaker 2 (02:42:17):
I don't give a fuck how they're looking at it,
because they're looking at itwrong.
It's fucking wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:42:22):
But then it doesn't become a conversation if we
can't examine it.
That's why I'm doing it.
Lee, I agree with you, katorais going to pay for it.

Speaker 2 (02:42:31):
But like I'm just saying, just saying we're
peeling back the layers.
We're peeling back the layers.
Yeah, that's all I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (02:42:38):
I'm with you, hey, I am playing devil's advocate.
I'm playing devil's advocate.
That's how they're looking atthis, though, and that's they're
out you fired someone beforeright you fired someone before
yeah you've had one way.

Speaker 2 (02:42:54):
You've had like reasonable conversations that
were one-way conversations,right both.

Speaker 1 (02:43:01):
I've gone both ways where, yeah, but I'm getting
informed.

Speaker 2 (02:43:05):
And then there's ones where they had warnings but no,
but I'm saying like even, evenif you didn't fire somebody you
just had, you just weredisciplining them or having a
stern conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:43:17):
I've done all of it.
I've fired somebody and I'mlike not giving them any warning
and fired them and not givingthem a reason why I fired them
either.

Speaker 2 (02:43:27):
Hold on, I'm not getting into that informative
one-way conversations where theother person on the end of that
conversation it doesn't matterwhat their response is their

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response does not matter for theeducation that is being
provided in this conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:43:51):
Well, obviously not exactly, but it can be used that
way.
Yeah, you can, though, but you,you know, I'll speak from my
professional experience.

Speaker 2 (02:43:58):
I've brought people into my office to correct
discipline.
Right, there's not a if and or,but.
There's not a reason, there'snot an excuse that I am allowing
in that conversation becausethe reason, the excuse, does not
matter, like why you did whatyou did is irrelevant, because
you did what you did.
Here's the conversation that meand you are having.

(02:44:20):
I'm going to go through whatyou did and tell you where you
fucked up in every single step,and why this was wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:44:28):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (02:44:29):
And then we're going to end this conversation and you
don't get to say a word.
You can leave my office and say, I suck, fuck me, whatever,
yeah, but you don't get to talkto me in this conversation and
it's still a informative andnecessary conversation.
This is how.
This is how I look at this massdeportation conversation,

(02:44:53):
because the government is notabiding by the laws of the land
and the decisions of the court.
As issues have arisen, I don'tcare about their reason, I don't
care about their explanation,because you are violating the
law in your enforcement of thelaw, and that is not how laws

(02:45:14):
are supposed to work in order tohave an advanced society.
And, nigga, I know what youwere doing.

Speaker 1 (02:45:19):
I was also dictatorship is obviously right,
like because at that point theythere's nothing, because
they're doing it.
So it's like it's kind of likewell, what can you do about it?
Right, and that's where peopleprotesting comes in.
That is what people do about it.

Speaker 2 (02:45:34):
They'll protest, but like Then a nigga in Florida
said hey, if you protest andsomebody gets out of hand, right
, but have you ever been to aprotest where it got out of hand
?

Speaker 1 (02:45:47):
No, not to that extent where people have to get
killed.

Speaker 2 (02:45:51):
No, we've seen it in history that it's happened, but
like I've never been to one andseen it, I've been at protests
that I've had to leave becauseit got a bit too wild, it got a
bit too aggressive, right, if apolice tried to restrain that
crowd, especially lethally.
There are too many innocentbystanders out here and I

(02:46:14):
haven't been somewhere wherethey were like you know.
I'm saying like throwing rocksand I mean throwing bricks
through shit.
I haven't been nothing likethat.
But like there are far too manyinnocent bystanders and you
cannot expect your police inthat lot, with that large of a
crowd, with that much stress, totake well aimed shots, take

(02:46:38):
well-aimed shots.
And now you're opening, you'resubjecting people who are.
You are subjecting people whoare utilizing their right as an
american to losing their lifefor expressing a legal right
because of bad actors here andthere, who they cannot control,
who they are not, because whenyou're at a, a demonstration,
you're not a hundred percentaligned with everybody there.
You are just there to support acertain cause.
Some people will, will, willkill and go to jail for that

(02:47:00):
cause.
Others will just demonstrate,right, I don't want yeah, I
don't want to lose my lifebecause some niggas bomb, rush
the police and I'm, and I'm inthe crowd, but I'm not the
police and I'm trying to get thefuck up out of there and I get
shot because jackass, fuckingdeputy just starts fucking
laying niggas down.

(02:47:21):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:47:22):
Yeah, you don't want to be a part of a wrong place,
wrong time type, right, so likea police, the police chief or
sheriff or whatever fuckingbullshit ass.

Speaker 2 (02:47:32):
Florida County is coming out and saying that,
pretty much to run counter towhat's going on in California,
to say we're going to take careof this.
No, bro, like do we not valuehuman life?

Speaker 1 (02:47:42):
Like even with the biggest issue.
That's the issue.
The issue is is that it's setitself up to where anyone I and
again I'm on your side like, Iagree with everything you've
said the law, because the systemis broken.
You can look at it from eitherperspective, which is why I
would even get to in front of ajudge period, and then depending

(02:48:06):
on which who that judge is,then that decision gets made and
that's what makes it.
It's such a broken system likeand obviously that's the hard
part, right, how do we fix it,like, how can this get fixed for
real?
That's, that is the milliondollar question, or the billion
dollar, or the trillion dollarlike that let me throw another

(02:48:27):
counter argument out here.

Speaker 2 (02:48:28):
Right, because I'm with you.
How do you fix this verydifficult, I do know while you
are mass deporting LatinAmericans and Islanders who have
established ways of life inAmerica, while simultaneously

(02:48:48):
allowing South Africaners tocome here to start a life, to
find somewhere to live, to findsomewhere to work, while also
kicking others out who havealready found those things,
that's not the answer, becausenow it's becoming.
Who do you truly want here?
Like, are we trying to?

(02:49:15):
Well, if you get into the whitereplacement theory, there are a
lot of.
There's a different rabbitholes you can go down here, but,
like you know, I just don't.
I just, you know, I just don'tlike the threats to democracy
inside of the country.
That is the epitome ofdemocracy, because I can

(02:49:37):
disagree with what my governmentis doing and often do, but I
can be in agreement with myability to voice my concerns to
my government and then changehow my government is working.
And obviously there are a lotof levers at play that don't
make this as pure as it shouldbe.

(02:49:58):
I'm not stupid here.
I understand that HillaryClinton got more money from the
DNC than Bernie Sanders becausethey thought she was a better
candidate than Bernie.
I understand that.
I understand that we give AOC amegaphone to say whatever the
fuck she wants, even if itdoesn't make sense.
I know that the give AOC amicrophone to say whatever the
fuck she wants, even if itdoesn't make sense.
I know that the DemocraticParty sometimes support

(02:50:21):
politicians who seem to beanti-America while working in
the American government.
But it happens on the otherside as well.
It just looks different and Ithink we need this balance.
That's where the conversationshappen.
But once the law becomes thelaw, the conversation stops

(02:50:41):
until we try to change that law.
We don't get to change the lawin action before it's changed on
the books.

Speaker 1 (02:50:50):
It's a shame we don't have, I mean maybe to a degree
there is, but it's a shame thatwe don't have a well, some would
say that we do, but like aninternational law, a human
rights code of law, because it'sso different everywhere.
And I guess some people wouldsay that the Bible would be that
law right, Like, depending onwhat you believe in.

(02:51:12):
But even that's not theconsensus.

Speaker 2 (02:51:16):
Consensus because not everybody believes in that we
don't even have a base levelstate law.
You can go buy pot inCalifornia.
If you get caught with pot incertain parts of Georgia, you're
going to jail.

Speaker 1 (02:51:27):
It's federal if it's at the airport.

Speaker 2 (02:51:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:51:31):
Even though you're allowed to bring it through TSA
in California.
Me and Justice have broughtweed from California to Georgia
that we bought there.
We luckily didn't get caught,but if they're not I swear we
did.
We got edibles and stuff andlike, but of course if there was
a dog there and they sniffed itwe would have went to jail and
we kind of didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (02:51:51):
Like I, kind of didn't know that.
They typically have bomb dogsin airports, not drug dogs just
throwing it out there.

Speaker 1 (02:51:59):
They died shit, they.
They got the.
I mean, you know, the drug dogsare there, though I'm just I'm
saying just they're not waitingon motherfuckers getting off the
plane necessarily but I'msaying, like the dogs that you
see in tsa, they're typicallybomb dogs, not drug dogs.

Speaker 2 (02:52:12):
I'm not saying that.
They saying that they don't rundrug dogs through, but they're
typically looking for bombs, notdrugs.

Speaker 1 (02:52:19):
Yeah, because it's less harmless, at least
immediately, but maybe over timethere's a bunch of fat in there
and it gets out into thestreets.
That'll change everybody'sopinion.

Speaker 2 (02:52:32):
But you know what?
In closing, you know what Ithink could change this country
and will change this country.
We may see it in 2028.

Speaker 1 (02:52:39):
Better leadership.

Speaker 2 (02:52:41):
Better leadership, and we're talking about
leadership from one of the mostsuccessful American companies.
Leadership who you know startedout the mall started in Hollis
Queens, you know, scrapping hisway just made his way to North
Carolina A&T or Winston-SalemState, whichever, north Carolina

(02:53:04):
HBCU that I don't really careabout Somebody saw him.

Speaker 1 (02:53:08):
That was the guy that had the vision first.
He saw him shooting abasketball.
He said you know what?
We know that the tournament'sabout to start.
Come up here, I'm going tobring you up here with me.

Speaker 2 (02:53:19):
As.

Speaker 1 (02:53:19):
Jason Titlock put this Because it doesn't make
what he said.
It makes no sense.
If that was really what was inthat book, that doesn't make
sense, which I'm glad he read it.
I'm glad people like him do thegroundwork and read that type,
because I would never readStephen A's.
I didn't mean to give thesecret away about who you were
talking about.

(02:53:39):
They know.
Shout out to Jason Whitlock foralways keeping it, because his
hate for a nigga like that is sodeep to where he was able to
call it out.

Speaker 2 (02:53:51):
Yeah, no, but like Stephen A Smith, you know he's
making the rounds Again.
You know I's making the roundsagain.
You know I sent you a videothat I didn't watch.
I hope you watched it.
Stephen A on Jon Stewarttalking about the world.
You know he's just signed a newdeal.
You know he really is a maxplayer now, making, we know, 45
a year just for talking.

(02:54:13):
You know, getting more off thecourt year just for talking,
getting more off the court.
And he may be what this countryneeds.
He may be that new voice, a newvoice of reason, who can guide
this country in the properdirection.
I mean, he's fought off LeBronJames.
He's fought off Skip Bayless.

(02:54:34):
He fights off the Mad Dog.
Every week he deals with Molly.
He got Jalen Rose up out ofhere.
He has his fingers all overESPN.
Max who you know what I mean.
What happened to Max Kellerman?
Stephen A got rid of him.
He's getting ready to make hisreturn to NBC.
You know he pulled with ShannonSharp out of the gutter after

(02:54:57):
Skip Bayless just spit him upand chewed him out and he
brought him back to life.
You understand what I'm saying.
This is a guy from HollisQueens, new York, who
understands what this country is.
He's worked his way up, he'sgot it out the mud, he has a
pulse for this country.
He is New York.
New York is the biggest meltingpot yeah.

(02:55:19):
So he understands the common dayAmerican and he gets on.
He gets on the airwaves everyday and shows us how brilliant
he is, how astonishing he is,how amazing, how inspiring he is
and I think if he takes thatsame energy to the White House,
we'll see America back on theright path.

Speaker 1 (02:55:39):
As long as he gets AOC to be a part of the cabinet,
I'm okay with it.

Speaker 2 (02:55:45):
Hey guys, don't vote for Stephen A Smith, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:55:49):
Well, you just presented a convincing argument
for why.
But you know.

Speaker 2 (02:55:54):
I mean, I could do the same thing for Donald Trump
and then end it and say don'tvote for Donald Trump, even
though I could understand whyyou'd vote for him over Kamala
Harris.
But, like you know, some thingsare non-starters and, if I
think, two out of three terms ofa president who doesn't have a
grasp of how the United Statesgovernment really works and
doesn't have experience insidethe government and understand

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that, like you, just can't doeverything.

Speaker 1 (02:56:16):
like a business, there's bureaucracy that's why
everybody liked him, though thatwas the point.
The point was that he was ongovernment again and I get what,
but they are they are he islike but they are wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:56:28):
They are wrong for I understand getting a guy who has
is not a career politician, I'mokay with that.
But a guy who is not a careerpolitician, I'm okay with that.
But a guy who's not worked ingovernment, a guy who's a
business owner who can make hisown decisions, for the most part
, whenever he wants to.
That's not the way thegovernment works.
It's not supposed to work.

Speaker 1 (02:56:49):
He just knows how to pay the politicians, because
that's why he got so far butlike for people to say that's a
good thing for a president.

Speaker 2 (02:56:59):
I think we should have learned through this that
it's not the best.
Your first job in politicsshould not be president of the
United States of America.

Speaker 1 (02:57:12):
She's arguably the most qualified person ever to
have ran, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (02:57:17):
Yeah, no, she is.
She's just not the mostawe-inspiring.
She has hot sauce in her purse.

Speaker 1 (02:57:27):
Well, there's that aspect of it.
Then she's also got skeletonsof her own lying around and
everybody does, I guess, butlike hers are I don't know.
Some of it's rumor, but like,fuck the rumor aspect.
I'm talking about what we doknow.
Yeah, she's not exactly anangel either, right?

Speaker 2 (02:57:52):
Here's one of my issues with her, and we're going
to wrap this up, I promise you.
So here's, here's one of myissues with her, and we're going
to wrap this up, I promise youis that a lot of her bad things,
I think, are more common.
We just don't know, like howTrump had to classify documents,
how she was doing stuff on thewrong server, how how President
Biden had classified documentsin his house.

(02:58:13):
Like I bet you they raidedObama's house right now.
He had some shit in his house.
I bet you, if they raidedObama's house right now, he'd
have some shit in there he ain'tsupposed to have.
If they raided Bush's house,he'd have some shit in there he
wasn't supposed to have.

Speaker 1 (02:58:23):
They're politicians.
That's the point.

Speaker 2 (02:58:25):
I'm sure when they buried Daddy Bush you know what
I'm saying, george he cleaned upsome stuff before everybody got
in there.
Cleaned up some stuff beforeeverybody got in there.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I don't think that's asabnormal as it's blown up to be.
And that's not a defense ofHillary Clinton.
I did not vote for her, I justtook that year off.

Speaker 1 (02:58:45):
I did.
I voted for her.

Speaker 2 (02:58:51):
And now you're following the likes of Lil Wayne
and Kodak Black.

Speaker 1 (02:58:55):
Hey, and Mr West as well.

Speaker 2 (02:59:00):
Hey, Free Dirt by the way, Free Dirt.
Hey bro, they talking to me.

Speaker 1 (02:59:06):
It's not the D the I, the D the D, the Y, the D the I
, the D is Diddy.

Speaker 2 (02:59:14):
I just thought it was funny that they said hey, dirk,
if you want to get out, we'regoing to bankrupt you.
Nigga, you will have no accessto no money because we know what
you did and we know you'll doit again.
We know what happened withVaughn while he beat all the
murder charges.

Speaker 1 (02:59:30):
Uh-uh, I thought it was crazy.
I mean it's not necessarilycrazy, but like they say, it was
like $4.5 million bond gotdenied and what you have to only
have 10% of the money.
Like it has to be cash-wise,it's got to at least be 10%.
But, like you know, if he'scoming up with $450,000 cash

(02:59:56):
that they're going to hold,that's not a lot for maybe a guy
like him.
But like interesting, it's gotto be fucking concrete.
But I mean, thug didn't get outeither for what it's worth.
Like they didn't let that niggaout either.

Speaker 2 (03:00:10):
Yeah, they just denied it, though it didn't get
out that they said hey, nigga,you're bankrupt or you stay in
there.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (03:00:21):
Yeah, but I would give up my money for freedom
Because you can still live inreality.
He's got enough people thatwould help him where that
wouldn't be the issue.

Speaker 2 (03:00:34):
Yeah, but he still has to go to trial.
And what happens if he beats it?
And now he's broke as fuckstarting over.

Speaker 1 (03:00:42):
He's popular enough to make it quickly.

Speaker 2 (03:00:47):
Sure, but you're also affecting your kids, their way
of life, your mama's house, yourbaby mama.

Speaker 1 (03:00:55):
We know that that's the formula.
It is apparently that shit withTory Lance is deeper than I
thought it was.
I'm not a conspiracy person,but that shit sounds a lot
deeper than I thought it was.

Speaker 2 (03:01:17):
I just stay away from certain topics and certain
people and tend to um say if itwalks and quacks like a duck,
it's probably a duck man.
You can't have too many similarcoincidences.
You know, sign with hove toomany similar coincidences you
know Sign with Hov yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir.

(03:01:43):
Hov dick.
Sorry man, I don't have mydirectory up here so I don't
remember all of them.
I'm rusty.
Hov dick, hey, um we're done,aren't we?

Speaker 1 (03:01:59):
Well, you know this is our first three-hour one in.
It's been a minute since we'vedone one of these.
Yeah, but it's done because wereally extended football.
We got a lot more juice out ofthat football.
But football is easy to talkabout.

Speaker 2 (03:02:09):
Yeah, and we've kind of avoided football by putting
it like on the forefront.
You just keep going down theserabbit holes and now you've done
a football show.
We didn't even talk about theUSA team just getting their ass
kicked in soccer, because wedon't care.

Speaker 1 (03:02:26):
Or the fact that which is why I wore this hat
that Forsyth County or SouthForsyth got the thing approved.

Speaker 2 (03:02:35):
South Forsyth got the thing approved and now the hunt
for the Thrashers to be back isofficially on the clock.
You know they let us know wherethey stand with that and they
don't want you and I to go tothose games.

Speaker 1 (03:02:52):
No, they don't.
They don't want us Great outletand Grant, we didn't.
They don't want us Great outletand Grant.
We didn't get to talk aboutthis and I know it got brought
up, but I'll go ahead, at leastto close out on my end.
Rip to Kyle Coleman, theMorehouse brother that was found
in a pond in Virginia afterwhat appeared, I guess, to be a

(03:03:17):
single car accident.
But somehow he got in a caraccident and then he was found
in a pond, but like so, rip tohim.
Prayers up to his family, lovedones in the entire Morehouse
College community.

Speaker 2 (03:03:30):
Absolutely.
Thank you for that.
Don't want to speculate aboutthat until more information
comes out.
But yeah, prayers to the family, prayers to the friends,
prayers to all the loved onesand prayers to the Morehouse
community, because we know aboutthe bonds and community that
you build on that campus and youmay only have direct

(03:03:51):
interaction with somebody for asemester or two, but it really
truly does build a lifelong bondwith those people.
Shout out to niggas likeDeshaun Green If I see you ever
again, niggas.

Speaker 1 (03:04:03):
Yeah, d Green, d Green, and it happens too often
too.
I mean, again, we were in PSP.
We had we've had three guysthat were in that small program
of about 52 kids that havealready passed, and one of them
died after freshman year too,and it wasn't the same
circumstance.

(03:04:23):
But, like you know, still ithappens too often and it seems
like a lot of.
It's been a lot of that kind ofhappening at Morehouse, at
least every time I look at it.
Like Hugh Douglas' son was onea couple years ago he got in a
car accident.
It was like, I don't know, justlike a lot of stuff, so I
didn't want to leave that out ofhere.
I wanted to make sure that webrought that up because it is so

(03:04:47):
unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (03:04:50):
You know we hate to see it.
Hate to see it, man.
It's good talking to you,Parley P.
We should probably do thisagain next week.

Speaker 1 (03:04:58):
Same time.

Speaker 2 (03:05:00):
I don't know, it depends.
Maybe we go back to Wednesdays,we'll see.

Speaker 1 (03:05:05):
I don't think there's a finals game.
As long as there's not a finalsgame, it probably won't be.

Speaker 2 (03:05:09):
Yeah, it'll just be back to Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (03:05:11):
Because what they play tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (03:05:14):
I mean we have.

Speaker 1 (03:05:14):
Probably play until Tuesday.
Yeah, it won't be Wednesday.
I mean it could be over by then.
Yeah, if you think the guys,the Serbs, are going to win,
maybe.

Speaker 2 (03:05:31):
But we'll see.
We got Friday, Monday, thenThursday, so yeah, we'll be back
on Wednesday.
Monday to Thursday is nastywork, by the way.

Speaker 1 (03:05:44):
It makes sense, from a game five to a game six,
travel, it makes sense, I meanit makes sense, I know, but like
.
They're not far, but like.

Speaker 2 (03:05:53):
They are stretching these games, man.

Speaker 1 (03:05:56):
Well, look at it this way In hockey, right, they're
playing tonight and that's Miamito Vancouver or not Vancouver
Edmonton.
So like with them, it makes,yeah, like that's real travel.
Indianapolis to Oklahoma isprobably an hour and 40-minute
type flight.
Or you could put them, niggas,on a bus they're both in the

(03:06:20):
Midwest, so just different partsof the Midwest let's see last
thing.

Speaker 2 (03:06:28):
Let's see Oklahoma City.
No, I don't want guys, justgive me fucking directions.

Speaker 1 (03:06:40):
I don't know why this says five hours, hold on.
That's not real.
I put OKC to IND.

Speaker 2 (03:06:50):
Let me see Flight time.
So it's 10 hours Ten and a halfhours driving.

Speaker 1 (03:06:56):
I want to see.

Speaker 2 (03:06:57):
Oh, you know what?

Speaker 1 (03:07:03):
It looks like there's no such thing as a direct
flight, because neither of thoseairports are Sure, yeah Well,
neither of them are.

Speaker 2 (03:07:07):
They're flying private, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (03:07:15):
Yeah but I'm just saying, even for a fan.
It looks like you'd always haveto have a connector.
But even okay, it says OKC toIndy, you'd fly on Delta.
Okc to here, then here to Indyis only.
Flight time is 4.23.
So, yeah, like that can't bebad.

Speaker 2 (03:07:30):
It's not bad at all, no, Even with the connector like
that's not bad, it's a ten anda half hour connector.
That's not bad, it's a 10.5hour drive.

Speaker 1 (03:07:39):
It's not bad OKC to Dallas and then Dallas to Indy
411.
Which would probably make themost sense Coming from OKC.
Yeah and same with Indy.
If you fly on American, you flyIndy to Chicago, then Chicago
to OKC.

Speaker 2 (03:07:56):
This guy's been on a plane or two, huh.

Speaker 1 (03:07:58):
I know a little thing or two about American Airlines.

Speaker 2 (03:08:02):
OK, well, it's 1030,.
Man, I don't know about you,but I've got to go to bed.

Speaker 1 (03:08:08):
I've got.
I've actually, yeah, meetmyself too.
I got a little job me and mybrother are doing in Tuxedo Park
tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (03:08:17):
Okay, that'll be fun.
I'm going to do some yogatomorrow, maybe some Pilates.

Speaker 1 (03:08:21):
Shout out to Matt Flowers.

Speaker 2 (03:08:24):
Shout out to Matt Flowers man, Great American.

Speaker 1 (03:08:28):
Alright, well, same time next week, possibly
Wednesday instead, but timeprobably kind of close to the
same.
Salutations.

Speaker 2 (03:08:37):
Yeah, salutations, y'all have a good one.

Speaker 1 (03:08:39):
Alright.

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