The Four Loko Flashback

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
so probably pete had to step out for a second and
what I was trying to do wascapture him live reaction
drinking a four loco becausewe're getting ready to watch the
show.
And he's like man, I went tothe gas station and you wouldn't
guess what I did and he justpulls out a four loco and he was

(00:22):
like super galactic punchflavor or something.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
That is what it is.
It's sour galactic punch, Idon't know.
It piqued my interest.
I was like you know what?
It's been a minute that beer isall gone.
There is an NBA finals ontonight.
I was like, no, I want a littlebit of a buzz.
I haven't really drank anythingall week.
I said, well, why not try aFour Loko?

(00:48):
It's been what?
Haven't drank anything all week.
Well, here's the thing too.
And even when I say I haven'thad one since college, I want to
say really, probably likesophomore year.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Because I don't think I touched these even the last
two years of college.
So I had a four loco my senioryear of college because dylan
walker showed up to to eight.
Three.
Live jack's old house yeah witha four loco and I was just like
fuck it, I haven't had one ofthese since my freshman year.
Let let's just drink it.
You know what I mean.
And I drank it and I said, nah,bro, I'm good.

(01:29):
And plus, you know it's the oldformula I came up off the real
Four Locos, I came up off thekillers.
I survived the era.
That era, that was the first umum.
What's that?
What's that drug that's ineverything?
Now that's killing everybody.
That, no, no, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
The four locals, the og for locals, that was the
first fentanyl well, and that'swhy I thought maybe they were
gone, because I was like didn'tthese get banned?
This is almost like syntheticweed you ever have you ever had
synthetic weed?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
no, no, I never had synthetic weed.
Once synthetic weed became athing, that part of my life
where I couldn't smoke weed.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
So real quick story, just this one time when we were
in high school, I want to say itmight have been the summer of
me heading to college, but hehad some wants and I kid you not

(02:32):
, and he'll do the same thing.
He'll tell you.
He smoked it and he fell flaton his fucking face.
He fell flat on his face,literally.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
He just hit the ground now I heard it gets you
higher than direct, than theactual weed well, I think that
initial punch is really whatdoes it?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
because I mean it wasn't like he literally has
smoked it.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
And then, like he just fell, like he fell, I'm,
you know, I'm making sure hisheart doesn't stop, like you
know, I'm saying I'm like, oh mygod like he got up, but I guess
it just made him solight-headed to where he just
like faint, almost he's likebasically fainted hey, parlay
pete, that was a great story andplease forgive me, uh, to the

(03:19):
viewers, anyone who's consumingthis podcast, and again to you,
parley P.
I should have opened the showproperly and I did not.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
First things, first Make the important thing.
The important thing, lee, it'sPride Month.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
It's an inside joke from the other show, I'll
explain it to you later.
But yeah, I just you know.
We just want to say, hey, it'spride month and and it's month
that Whoever you are in,whatever life you chose, you
should be proud Of who you areand what you're doing, and no
one should get in the way ofthat, even if they disagree with

(04:05):
your lifestyle, even if theytreat you differently.
Uh, in your personal life,that's okay, not in your
professional life, it's not okay.
In professional life, that'sillegal.
But in your personal life,people are about to be terrible
people.
So, if they want to, you stillbe proud of who you are and you
don't let those people and thejudgment of you define who you

(04:26):
are.
You are who you say you are andwe love you and welcome to
America, where you're allowed todo that.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Well, Pride Month isn't about being gay, straight,
transgender pronouns, lesbian,Lesbian, Bisexual.
Pride is queer.
Pride is about having pride inoneself, and that's what this
month is really all about.
Yeah, of course it's associatedwith all the things that we

(04:54):
just said.
I mean, except straight, ofcourse.
Pride is about beingcomfortable in your skin, having
pride in yourself and beingprideful and showing everybody
hey, I'm a happy individual.
This is how I like to live mylife.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
We're here.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
We're queer, get used to it.
Yeah, get used to it.
You know, and I guess I'd beremiss, and this is not that we
weren't being serious, becausewe are, we're very serious about
this On a super serious note,obviously it's making its rounds
and I very serious about this,on a super serious note,
obviously it's making its rounds.
Um, and I'm a huge king of thehill fan and apparently the
actor, the voice actor for johnredcorn was, you know, murdered

(05:31):
this week and what was a uh, Iwould say a hate crime, based on
what was said, at least itsounds like a hate crime to me
and he was a part of, you know,pride, right he's.
He's a member of the lbgtq plusto community, but um okay so
rip to him, and we gotta stop,we gotta stop this.

(05:53):
Everybody's gotta be betterthan that, seriously, um, just
because he was gay, if he wasn'tgay, we gotta stop doing that
bro, the whole, the whole thingis.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
And like again, we're throwing in jokes here, but
it's a serious conversation,right?
Because if you ask us the Godhonest truth, do we care about
Pride Month?
No, but like we don't careabout Pride Month because we
don't care about gay people.
And not that we don't careabout gay people for who they
are, it's we don't care thatyou're gay, it doesn't bother me

(06:25):
.
Like we don't care about gaypeople for who they are, it's we
don't care that you're gay, itdoesn't bother me.
Like, don't get me wrong, youcould display characteristics
that align with your sexuality,that bother me.
But the same thing happens withstraight people, right?
Like there are certain chickswho can be attracted to you and
her attraction to you bothersyou because it's not it's it's

(06:45):
not mutual, right?
So like we're gonna talk shit,we're gonna make jokes, but at
the end of the day, I don't givea fuck that you're gay, bro,
just be cool and don't try tofuck me.
And we're cool.
But I say that to a woman whoI'm not sexually attracted to,
exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
And look, gay people are like Arby's to me.
I don't eat at Arby's, but thatdoesn't mean that there's
anything wrong with Arby's.
Arby's can be Arby's.
The people that, like Arby's,go to Arby's, I do not.
They've got the meats.
Yeah, exactly, and I am not abig fan of Arby's, and it shows
in my lifestyle, because I don'teat there.
But does it mean that Iwouldn't, you know, eat at

(07:25):
Arby's?
No, I just I'm not an Arby'sfan, it's just not what I do.
And so Arby's is Arby's, thoughthat doesn't mean that, oh man,
I hate Arby's.
I don't hate Arby's, I justdon't eat there.
Yeah, you know, I mean, that'sthe truth.
I'm not boycotting Arby's andsaying no more meats outside.

(07:47):
I'm not doing all that.
And then I'm also not kissingChick-fil-A's ass, even though I
love Chick-fil-A.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
But I eat at.
Chick-fil-a because I likeChick-fil-A and I stand in their
values and I don't want themeats.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know and I don't know, bro, I, I just I just like
that we could come on here andhave these conversations and
like actually be comfortablewith like making some of these
jokes, because we real life liveout, that I just don't care,
and not to say that I want to bearound it all the time because,

(08:24):
look, look here, what I'm notdoing is hanging out with a
bunch of gay guys, and notbecause they're gay, it's
because we typically don't havethe same interest.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Don't have the same interest.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Don't go to the same place.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, right, or just not you know we're not around
each other.
Now we do go to the same placesbecause they eat at every place
, just like you know we do, butlike at the same time, we're
just probably not there withthem, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Right.
But if we're going to likewatch the game, to like say,
stray right.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
We're not pulling up the Bulldogs.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Right, Like we're going to two different places.
Naturally.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, they're going to Bulldogs.
I'm going to Magic City.
You know that's my strip club.
There's Bulldogs and that'sokay.
That's okay.
Look, bulldogs, looks like it'salways jumping.
I haven't been on PeachtreeStreet in a minute over there
RIP to Taco Mac, but Bulldogsanytime you leave from Laughing

(09:30):
Skull or what's it called,vortex or whatever.
It's right across the streetHell.
Every time I looked over thereit looked like they were having
a lot of fun.
It's not the type of fun I liketo have, but they look like
they're having fun and I'm happythat they're having fun, just
like.
if they see me walk out of a barand I'm cheering the Falcons
once, I would hope that theywere happy for me.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
You know, during the fall I played on a football team
.
I didn't run across country.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
You're a dick.
You're a dick.
I ran cross country, but onlybecause I didn't play football.
Well, I played one year.
But the basketball team we wererequired.
I ran cross country, but onlybecause I didn't play football.
Well, I played one year.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
But the basketball team we were required to run
cross country Bingo man.
So basketball, if you weren'ton the football team, you had to
run cross country because yougot to be conditioned, which is
okay, yeah, no, that makes sense, like a lot of guys were
expected to run track if theydidn't play a fall sport
Baseball.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, same.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I had to run track too, I played soccer because I
didn't want to run track.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, really yeah, soccer over track.
Yeah, because I mean soccer's abunch of running too.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Running wasn't the problem.
The problem was in track.
I was like expected to be asprinter and that wasn't my bag.
And you know there's not likejv track.
You know you just get in thebum ass heat and you just get
embarrassed when you get blownout.
So, like my pride is why Ididn't play run track, because I
didn't want to be like singledout as a nigga who just wasn't

(11:01):
on my shit and and honestly, Ididn't want to play tennis
anymore because I was tired ofthe social pressures that came
along with being a black manplaying on the tennis scene.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know, but the fun fact of the day, you realize.
Julian was the Henry CountyTennis Player of the Year.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
And seeing stuff like that Isn't that insane.
It hurts me because I stoppedplaying tennis, because I want
to be able to tell you I wouldsmoke your boots in tennis.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
But I can't.
He would beat all of us.
I played tennis against you.
He'd beat all of us.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
No, no, I'm saying like for me, when I was a tennis
player and actually playedtennis right, so you were good.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, were you county player.
He literally won county playerof the year.
Isn't that amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
I played tennis for all of like three years.
I picked it up and I was like Iwas good and I was athletic and
I stopped playing after likeonce I got to high school.
I just didn't play anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
You know, and the key thing too.
I asked you this I was like,why don't you just play at
Morehouse?
I'm like, I didn't understand.
I was like, bro, if you werethe best player in what isn't a
that's not a small county, likeif you were the best player in
basically a surrounding metroAtlanta county.
I'm like, bro, you sound likeyou might have been able to get
a scholarship somewhere if youwere that good Dale was on the

(12:22):
tennis team at Morehouse, reallyHis freshman year.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, dale was on the tennis team, so I guess is he
good, good enough?
Maybe we should have a Dale andJew tennis off.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Right, instead of us playing basketball, we should
all play tennis.
Maybe we could do doubles right.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
No, no, no.
We got to do singles.
What's wrong with doing doubles?
We got to get Jew versus Dale.
That's the matchup that we want.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, but we'll see who can carry a guy.
That's not good.
I played tennis when I was nine.
That was it.
I never played tennis again.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
I haven't played since I was.
I haven't played since probablyin 15 years and I haven't
played consistently probably inabout 18 years.
And I took a class, obviouslyat.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Morehouse.
That was one of my gyms.
I took tennis.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, I took tennis.
I was in their killing niggasschool.
No, I didn't take tennis, Itook badminton.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
You like badminton, man?
I haven't played badmintonsince middle school.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Second semester I got my second PE.
Second semester is bro I?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I got my second pe second semester, senior year
type shit I took I took both ofmine senior year, so first
semester I did basketball andthen second was tennis I didn't
get basketball, I did uhswimming and badminton because I
waited so late to to get my uhgyms in.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Like, okay, we just got to take what we can get here
.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, senior year that's, but see that's I made it
to where senior year I was likeman outside of policy, because,
you know, policy was like theclass and the business that was
like the class.
And so, like I was like man, Iwant senior year to be as easy
as possible, so I just waited totake all my gems.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
But like you know Morehouse's poli sci department
did my senior year.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well, they added senior seminar.
I want to say my senior year.
OK there wasn't a seminar class.
So I was able to set myschedule up that I didn't have
any hard class the senior year.
Like the only hard class that Iwas going to have, like the
hardest class was scope andmethods.

(14:27):
But I took scope and methods myjunior year and I didn't have
to take a Dr Tobe Johnson RIP toa legend, right.
I somehow dodged him for scopeand methods, but I ended up
taking them for something else.
So my senior year was set up tobe easy peasy, lemon squeezy
him for scoping methods.
But I ended up taking him forsomething else.
My senior year was set up to beeasy peasy, lemon squeezy.

(14:48):
Then they dropped a seniorseminar on us.
Not only is it a four-yearcourse, first semester you got
to take this fuckingstandardized test that our
curriculum was not built to,necessarily, but it's close.
But you don't know about thistest when you start into the

(15:10):
major, right?
Yeah, senior year, hey, you gotto take this class and you only
got really like two grades thispaper at the end of it and a
test in the middle of it.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
So, would you say, because you know it's funny.
You know, laris was a poli-scimajor and Second largest
department at the school.
Yeah, behind us right, Business, business, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
You go to Morehouse for business, poli-sci or to be
a preacher.
The rest of you niggas I knowsome of y'all niggas were STEM,
bio, whatever yeah, y'all arecool.
But nigga go to state schoolfor that Way more funding.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, I think my brother, because he graduated
Morehouse with honors, he was amagna cum laude.
I forgot he used to talk abouta professor in that department,
I forgot.
No, I think it was somebodyelse because he became like
friends with them, likeafterwards, like later on, and I

(16:15):
want to say, man, that the dudewas at the funeral too, but, um
, because he, he did somethingfor like my mom's uh funeral as
well and like, like I forgot Ijust.
Well, you said who McGinnis?
No, I said, was he a?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
communist, oh no, no.
Like the president of the PoliSci Department, I can't think of
his name.
He was my advisor, a terribleadvisor, by the way.
Never saw him, but he was acommunist.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I'm not even surprised, gosh, you know, I
don't know because obviously Ijust wasn't a poli-sci major and
I just remember him alwaystalking about it though.
Then there was other people too, like your common class, your
first two years, not uh notbarry white that wasn't his name

(17:09):
.
Uh, he was a social studiesteacher, though.
I mean, it wasn't socialstudies, but it's like something
.
History and white was his namehe's like pop quiz guys, he's
like pop quizzes.
He's like pop quiz guys.

(17:29):
He said you like pop quiz tosee who did the reading, but pop
quizzes are like 15, like I.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I had to retake one class, uh, in my major and it
was because andrew douglas fuckhim, uh, he made us do these
journal entries to make surethat we were doing the readings,
and I took a stance against it.
I know it was stupid, becauseit's like nigga, just write

(17:54):
something down.
What did he teach this was?
It was political theory, butthey did some janky shit that
year, but it was politicaltheory and they did some janky
shit that year, but it waspolitical theory.
And so you have to write thepaper at the end of each book,
or each two books.
You read two books that wereconflicting theories and then

(18:16):
you would analyze them and thenmake an argument.
Right?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah.
If I'm writing B papers whocares if I'm doing my journal
readings?
The kids today have it so easybecause of chat, gbt, and I know
that, like they would, they cango in and change their own

(18:40):
stuff.
But you can summarize what itis you want to say and then make
it better.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Like, yeah, you can like not even use the chat GPT
language, you can just read itreal you want to say and then
make it better.
Like, yeah, you can like noteven use the chat gpt language,
you can just read it real quickand go okay right and put it in
your own words.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's it, and then you can you can re-put it in for
grammatical errors and stufflike that, and then you can also
get like complex citations likeall.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Bro, how do you think I got my master's?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I mean, no, you're intelligent enough to do it, but
I'm just saying I know that itwas a tool.
It made it easier.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Well, for me, right, cause you know I got the
master's to get the shit on thewall.
Speaking of which?
University of Tennessee?
Where the hell is my diploma?
I have not received my diploma,unless it's buried somewhere at
my mom's house, possibly comingup on a year nah August, yeah,
yeah that's what I'm sayingyou're coming up.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's summertime, brother.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah so but anyways, because I was getting I wasn't
actually getting that degree tonecessarily learn, it's like bro
, just just easiest way.
But for, like, young kids andundergrad, I I don't think you
should start with chat gpt.
You should actually learn howto properly research and cite
and and because you learn somuch, to like actually build

(19:55):
your, your base of what you'retrying to learn about.
Uh, but this is not a schoolpodcast.
This is we're 20 minutes in andwe haven't talked sports yet.
It's kind of sickening.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, it is right.
There's just such a big issuewith that, Lee.
I just got invited to something, by the way, tonight, not
tonight.
Take a look-see.
I just sent it to yourInstagram inbox.
Okay, okay, so Shea is the girlthat was Running Parlor, do you

(20:32):
remember?
Did you meet Shea?
I know, you know Alfonso.
Alfonso was the guy.
Do you know the girl?

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I don't remember her.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
She was the most attractive Woman.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I probably will like when I see her, I will be able
to be like okay, I remember her,but like I don't just remember
her just off the top of my head,this is tomorrow uh, I guess.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
So, yeah, six, six.
So I'm assuming that this mightbe hers event.
I wouldn't be able to go.
Anyways, I got Mariana, butwhich I haven't seen, my
daughter, since she went out ofthe country.
But she went out of the country, by the way.

(21:15):
I think I told you that though.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, you told me.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, you follow Keturah.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Oh, I don't either, but I talked to Kyle and
Courtney this weekend.
I spoke on the phone with Kyleand then Courtney messaged me.
But they're like oh yeah, yeah,I saw all that.
I'm like I haven't followed her.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Hey, you know what I've been told about things that
my child was doing on socialmedia before too and I was like
oh, thanks, all right.
I was like.
I was like oh, no, are you?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
watching the screenshot, like you wanna.
You wanna screen record daddy,wanna see it too.
Well, wait, you're, but you'renot blocked or anything, are you
?
No, but I can't see your story.
Oh so she just blocked you fromher story.
So what?
Well then why?
What's the point of being ableto follow each other?
You might as well unfollow youup, like hit the unfollow and
then make uh you unfollow her.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, yeah.
What was the point of you knowhow some things you just like
don't want to bring up in aconversation and hope to god
that they don't listen to yourpodcast anymore, because I'm
pretty like you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
well, they do, they do I.
That's why it doesn't bother me.
I mean I highly doubt that,that the couture listens but
like at the same time I wouldn'tbe truly bothered because,
honestly, it would just be.
I'm not airing her out andyou're not airing her out either
.
It's like.
This is what it is, I guess.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
We'll just see what she posts on Instagram on her
story.
That's fine, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Those are like daily updates.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
I have a close friend .
You know what I mean, so it'slike we're doing the same thing.
We're just doing it differently.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Get to finals tonight .
Man Got an hour and a half forthe fucking finals kickoff.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, yeah, big game, big game.
We got Somebody's gonna bewinning their first NBA title.
Yeah, how about that?
How about that?
How about the parody that theNBA's showing?
Seven straight years, sevenstraight champions, different
ones.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
And the ratings suffer.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
What do you think the ratings game will be for a game
like this?
Obviously it's going to belower than certainly like last
year's finals or, you know, anyof the previous seven.
But what do you think is goingto happen?

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think they're going to be in the dumpster and I
think Adam Silver is going tosay already signed the cable
deal.
Guys, I don't know what to tellyou.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Adam Silver is a cuck and here's why he gets on
whatever show the media,wherever he was interviewed, and
then he says oh, the Packers.
He's like if the NFL had theSuper Bowl and it was the
Packers and the Steelers, nobodywould be talking about it.
He's like it's the same thinghere.
It's just like no, the fuck, itisn't.
Those fan bases are two of thefive biggest fan bases in the
NFL.
What are you talking about?

(24:18):
It's the same.
Yes, they're small, smallmarkets, but their fan bases are
huge.
They're everywhere.
They're national fan bases.
Those two teams specifically,literally outside of the Dallas
Cowboys I can't name a biggerone those would be the next two
biggest Green Bay and fuckingPittsburgh, those are the top.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
They're the top three they never play legitimate road
games, even if they are at adeficit.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
It is it's 60 40 and and, and that includes rivalry
games like I'm sure if we got mrturner on the line he's been to
he's a steelers fan.
Obviously, for those that don'tknow, he's gone to baltimore
for games.
That's their biggest rival inbaltimore's good, I'm sure that
if we asked him, hey, what dothose Steelers-Ravens games look

(25:07):
like?
How many Steelers fans are atthose games, he'd say, oh, it's
plenty of us.
He'd say there's a lot ofyellow.
There's a lot of yellow.
Like our colors aren't similar,so you know who's there for who
.
There's a lot of yellow there.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I've been at a Falcons-Steelers and my seats
are on the visitor side.
I didn't have many friends.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Adam Silver would have been better off saying this
is like the Carolina Panthersplaying the Jacksonville Jaguars
in the Super Bowl.
That is a much more comparablesmaller market teams that are in
it.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Or he should have used like a Kansas City, because
they have a large but they'renot even a good one to use.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
They're in middle America.
They're in middle.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
America, but they're propelled by their superstar.
That's what makes them a biggerdraw, right their superstar.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
But Kansas City even has some tradition.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
They have tradition.
The.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Pacers kind of have tradition a little, but the
Thunders don't truly have atradition.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Kansas City.
Actually, both teams are notreally properly recognized as
the great tradition that theyhave because both franchises
have been consistent.
The Thunder, since being an OKCunder Sam Presti, they have
been consistently goodthroughout our lives.

(26:26):
Indiana has been consistentlygood throughout our lives,
typically a playoff team,typically a playoff team, and
they're going to make a run tothe Eastern Conference Finals
every five to seven years or so.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I don't know about that.
I mean, they went last year,obviously, but 99-2000.
Okay, but what about once in2004?
2004.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
or no?
Yeah, you got like the oh four.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
You know you're right , you're right, you're right,
you're right.
I keep forgetting to the heat.
They went back to back, or theywent back to back eastern
conchons against the heat.
They just played the heat twotimes or maybe they did go back
to back I know they probablyplayed them three, because
lebron was there four years.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
They probably played them three times so it probably
was back to back during that eratoo yeah, so then you got them
playing then, then you got thePaul George group and now you
got the Halliburton group.
Bro, like they consistently goto the playoffs, and about every
seven years or so they're inthe conference room.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
That's fair.
That's fair Kind of like howthe Falcons have been since the
big era we were.
I mean, we've been to four inthat time span.
We've been to four, but wehaven't been consistently in the
playoffs recently.
Hey, but we're coming up onthat year, but this is also the

(27:47):
longest we've gone without goingto the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I don't even like comparing us,because we're in this drought
and we're optimistic that we'regoing to get out of the drought.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
We are Come on, come on.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
No, I think we are.
But if Tampa Bay won thedivision just on paper, I
wouldn't be shocked.
I would.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm not picking them.
I don't think that they'rebetter than us.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I didn't say that, I'm just saying I don't know.
They got a new coach, so theygot Liam Cohen, right?
No, that's Jacksonville, that'sJacksonville, never mind,
that's Jacksonville.
Well, they have a new.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
OC.
That's the thing.
Yeah, and not that that matters, because Liam Cohen was a new
when Canales left, then hebecame the unknown and now he's
got a head coach job.
All right, let's get back tothe final.
You still there, lee?

(28:45):
Guys, I think we might beexperiencing some technical
difficulties.
I think Lee wanted to get backto the finals here, though, and
um looks like we've got amessage here from hit the button

(29:07):
.
I don't know what he means, uh.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I'm not there, we go.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I'm not really 100% sure what he wanted me to do.
He said hit the button.
Anyways, we got the NBA finals,you got the Thunder, you've got
the Pacers Okay he's comingback in, guys.
We just lost in there for asecond.
We had a little technicaldifficulty but regardless, we've
got the Thunder, You've got thePacers and you know this should

(29:52):
be a pretty interesting finals.
Honestly, I think from abetting standpoint it's unfair
of kind of're doing with thePacers.
If we're being completelyhonest, I think that we're going
to get a good game and I expectthis finals to be one of the
ones where you're a littlesurprised, if anything, on how

(30:15):
it ends up panning out.
If you look at the Thunder, theThunder have been the best team
in the NBA all year.
All year Hasn't even been close.
They've been the best team inthe NBA.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
They've won 68 games and I think that a lot of people
forget that they've won 68games.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Well, yeah, because nobody watched them.
Nobody watched them.
But at the same time, when youlook at how dominant they've
been, they have the league mvp,the leading scorer in the nba.
Uh, they didn't run through theplayoffs, but they've had
multiple and when I say multiple, probably five games in this
playoff run where they've won bylike 25 plus, like you know
what I mean.
Like they've had some dominantgames in that stretch, obviously
run where they've won by like25 plus, like you know what I

(30:58):
mean.
Like they've had some dominantgames in that stretch.
Obviously yokich took them sick.
Uh, seven right, and even inthat game, seven.
That was a blowout and so it'sjust kind of like it's but my.
So what I was doing while wehad those technical difficulties
there, I was talking about howthe thunder are such an
overwhelming favor.
They opened up as minus 750 towin the finals and so it's kind

(31:20):
of like it's crazy to think thatthey're that big of a favorite,
like, in a sense, bro but italso isn't when you break down
those numbers no, it's not.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Did you see the mvp uh?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
mvp odds uh yeah, yeah, shay's minus 600 bro.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, it's, it's, it's so insane.
There we go.
I just had to fix that.
Yeah, the odds are just socrazy that it's like wow, like
this, indy doesn't.
They don't give indy a chanceand honestly, you're right, they
don't really deserve a chancebased off of who okc has been on
the basketball court this year.
But because they're OKC andthey're not a Kevin Durant,

(31:59):
russell Westbrook, james Harden,okc that you can actually
market people and they like it.
They just don't get talkedabout on the shows.
You heard Chuck going his rantabout it and I mean we probably
talked more as much about theLakers this offseason, as much
about Giannis this offseason aswe have about the teams in the

(32:21):
finals.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Well, you know?
Here's the thing too, though.
They match up well.
That's actually like the thingthat people don't realize.
Both teams are deep, they havedepth.
Mark Dagnall has been the bestcoach you could argue in the NBA
, maybe the last two years.
And Rick Carlisle we broughtthis up with us going back and
forth texting he is, for allintents and purposes, since the

(32:46):
turn of this century, he's thetop four coach in the NBA during
that span, the last 25 years,he has been a top four coach,
the only coaches that you wouldput above him, or, in the same
conversation, of course, steveKerr, phil Jackson, spoh, and
then it's him.
Those would be the top fourguys, not Doc Rivers, who's NBA

(33:08):
75.
Pop, pop, pop.
Oh, pop, pop, pop.
Okay, well, he's top five.
That's what I meant.
He's top five.
But you could and the onlyreason we're going to put Spoh,
of course, because he's gotmultiple rings in that span- but
you could argue that RickCarlisle is a better coach than
him.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
You could argue that Rick Carlisle is a better coach
than Steve Kerr.
Steve Kerr's resume is so greatthat it's hard to make the
argument, but we've watched Rickgo up and down.
Like we saw what he did inDetroit.
We saw what he did.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
He went to the Eastern Conference Finals with
that team and then they fire himand the next year they win a
title.
Right, maybe he would have wonthat title if he got the
opportunity.
I mean, yeah, he didn't haveSheed, he didn't have Sheed.
And people forget Rip Hamilton.
Like the year that they won, hebecame so much better Because

(34:04):
he came from the Wizards.
They traded for him from theWizards.
Right, he was with MichaelJordan, yeah, and he wasn't.
I don't think he was viewedthat way.
That's why I mean, I guessDetroit viewed him that way
because they traded JerryStackhouse for him.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
He was back coming out of college.
He just hadn't showed it in theleague yet, but people felt
like he was being suppressed bymj.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So you understand the move 20 years later but I'm
saying his first year in thatsystem with that team.
Like they went to the eastponds and then I forgot.
Did they fire rick carlisle ordid he just take the pacers,
because the pacers team wastalented too at the time?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I don't remember how it happened but either way, like
Rick Carlisle went from goodDetroit to good Pacers, to
Dallas, the good and the bad andgot them back good, greatest
playoff, I don't care whatanyone says.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Best title run for a team in terms of what they had
to beat to get there and do it.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, so like, because so often we just look
team in terms of what they hadto beat to get there and do it.
Yeah, absolutely so like,because so often we just look at
wins, losses and accolades whenwe're looking at coaches.
But Steve Kerr specifically, hehasn't had to do it differently
.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
It's until now Kind of a little.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
But it's still Steph centric, right, like he.
He hasn't had to do it with adifferent star player, a totally
different nucleus, a differentOwnership group, right, you know
, like he's Done it one place,one way Around one player and he
didn't even develop that playerright Jackson did yeah, like he
was already developed and youjust changed some stuff

(35:42):
schematically and it worked.
And yes, you had down years, butyou're down years because of
injuries to your star playersthat then allowed you to retool
and get different draft picks tokeep your team.
Like I don't.
Like I know steve kerr has tobe in the conversation because
of the accolades, but do we knowthat steve kerr is better at

(36:04):
coaching than tom thibodeau?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I mean probably because of his offensive
approach to the game but at thesame time, like he comes from
think about, because look atwhere the school that he comes
from, he's he comes from the twogreatest coaches, at least in
modern era.
Maybe Pat Riley would be theother one that you could add,
but like he comes from Phil andPop, so it's like you know he

(36:27):
could take elements from thetriangle.
Hey, lou Dolson too.
Yeah, right, exactly, he playedat Arizona.
So I mean an underrated coachif you really look at it,
especially the amount of guys heput in the league.
Underrated coach Because hedoesn't get his proper due.
I don't think in terms of forthe college game, because

(36:48):
everybody always looked at Royand Kay and Patino, maybe even a
little Cal, like I don't know.
He just doesn't get his propercredit for what he did at
Arizona.
People forget how good Arizonawas.
For a long time they were.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Did you see that breaking news I sent you?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Did I see who?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Breaking news.
I sent you on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
No, I didn't Hold on.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Another legend gone too soon.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
On Peachtree.
Yeah, oh yeah.
I guess it does say that youknow I saw something earlier.
It just didn't say whatlocation.
I know it said it shut downfour of them.
You know what's even crazier?
Look at it this way, lee, youand Boink are like a hex.
You guys met there and then wewent to Taco Mac, both gone.

(37:43):
And this was recent.
Like this is recent as hell.
This is within the last two,three months.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
But you know what?
We went to both of those placesbecause of the nostalgic
feeling that those places oncehad, and that feeling doesn't
exist anymore.
So I totally understand whythey're gone which is what I
told you guys.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I was like, I was like man, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I said we're not eating hooters, I mean because
the food's not good, but it'slike the vibes actually used to
be good.
It used to really be some shitin there.
But you know, kind of the wayadam silver's ruining the nba.
Uh, the, the strip clubs andbars have ruined Hooters.
They ran the good waitressesout, now they're bottle girls.

(38:22):
Their ass is going to get hurt.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Sure, sure, I mean sure, sure.
I think that with Hooters, goodplace to go if you wanted to
get a beer Like you're.
Just you know you're somebodythat likes to eat at these type
of establishments, like itwasn't a terrible place to go,

(38:49):
obviously, drake mentioning theone that I needed was Courtney
from Hooters on Peachtree.
Like it's always been iconic,because when I think of downtown
atlanta, that's typically kindof the area I think of you got
that hard rock, you got all thatstuff there it's it's also a
damn game.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
It's also like your tv's loud, uh, also a pinnacle
of like hooters.
Though you live around thestate, maybe you don't live in
the city and you talk aboutdifferent hooters where it looks
good in there.
You could always count on thehooters on P3.

(39:30):
Daytime, whatever, it's goingto be some nice work in there.
Typically, I'm saying liketraditionally, not what it is,
not what it was when me andBoink were in there, Because I
mean she was more interested inher DMs and texts than getting a
tip, which is just crazy to meand you guys were at the bar

(39:53):
right.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
You sat at the bar, I sat at the table.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I would sit at the bar.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Hey well.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Hooters is not a sit at the bar type of place.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I think Hooters has become more of just a biker type
establishment.
You know, the food's just sobad that you just push the
niggas out and we'll just go tothe hook lounge where they got
wings and and big asses out yeah, you know big asses.

(40:25):
Huh, yeah, you know, I mean.
I mean, why would you gosomewhere?
If you're going to like, lookat scantily clad waitresses and
get wings, why would you gosomewhere with bad wings?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Right, you wouldn't.
That's the point.
You wouldn't go Because that'snot what we want.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Right.
So if you're black, you just goto a regular spot and for those
smokers, they can fucking smokein those places.
They can't smoke in Hooters.
It's like hold on, I can smokemy weed, I can eat my wings and
I can look at ass.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry, hooters, you're out ofhere, buddy I can't do it

(41:07):
anymore hey, but that's thebeauty of capitalism.
But back to these finals.
See, this lets you know howlike uninteresting the finals
are, because we just keep goingdown different rabbit holes and
not actually talking about it.
Okc in five.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
For sure.
That was the first thing that Ithought of.
I said OKC five.
I said I think so.
Now, this is the caveat too tothat five.
For instance, the spreadtonight is ten.
For those that are watchinghere live, that are hearing this
, obviously we don't have a uhsix pack or anything.
But my advice.
I actually like the pacers plus10 tonight.

(41:46):
That's the spread.
I think that they're gonnacover this spread.
I think that the games will becloser.
I just think that the thunderis so much better they won't
lose it home and then they'regonna be able to take one in
Indiana.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Pretty much and I would only change my prediction.
If, like Indiana, just comesout, goes crazy and wins game
one, I would say OKCM5, but Ijust think it's OKCM5.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
So I was going to say this too.
Fun fact of the day, obviouslymy company works in Indiana and
I've been to Indiana severaltimes, but I've only been to one
Pacers game there.
I went to something Fieldhouse,whatever it's called Me and my
dad.
We got pretty much they weren'tfloor seats, but I mean we were

(42:35):
pretty much on the floor andguess who was playing?
I went to the Oklahoma CityThunder and Pacers game in Paul
George's first game, really Backin Indiana.
Yeah, I was there.
The Pacers won that game.
Did they boo him Huh?

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Did they boo him?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Of course, Every time hetouched the ball and he got the
video package cheers.
But when the game started theybooed him.
And so, yeah, fuck, because hedidn't, did he force himself?
He didn't really force himselfout of there.
He was yeah, yeah, they weren'tgoing to be competitive anymore
.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Well, once he said he wanted to go, they weren't.
And actually it really fuckedup Jeff Teague, because Jeff was
going to get like a $100million contract, because Paul
was going to be the max playerright, he was going to be like
that next guy.
And then he said they told himstraight up we can't make you

(43:32):
the highest paid player on theteam, we can't pay you that much
.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Well, exactly, but that's why Paul George would
want to leave.
Why has Jeff Teague got to bethe second best player on your
team?
You know you're not winning achampionship that's no
disrespect to Jeff Teague, butlike you're not winning a
championship if he's the secondhighest paid player on your team
.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Just imagine being Jeff Teague, though right, like
thinking, because like thinking,because PG said he was going to
come back like, ok, we're goingto keep trying to win, which
means they have to pay me, basedon my numbers in the market, to
keep this team together.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
And then it's like, oh, we're going to blow it up.
And it's like, yeah, I guess,and I'm sure it's up for him too
, because that's his hometown,obviously.
So it's like, you know, he grewup watching them, whatever.
And yeah, jeff Teague him beingyour second best player, that
should tell you all you need toknow.
But I literally I have video ofit because we were right where
the page came out.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
He was second best player on the Eastern Conference
Finals team.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
No, he wasn't, it was Paul Millsap and Al Horford.
Those were the two best playerson that team.
Paul Millsap was basically thebest player and I don't think Al
was second.
I mean third, jeff wasaveraging like 16, 17.
Yeah, but Al was Al.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Put it this way.
Put it this way.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Al Horford's going to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
But why would you make that chant about Al Horford
if you felt this way about him?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Because it was fuck Al Horford.
He didn't force himself out ofAtlanta, but his dad, if you
remember, his dad was speakingon it.
He was trashing Atlanta fans.
He had every right because hewas right.
But at the same time, you don'tsay it.
You still don't say it.
You don't say that, not afteryou've been somewhere for a
decade.
Don't say that he was right,though.

(45:19):
Atlanta fans do suck.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
And go into the Hall as a Celtic.
Don't go into the Hall as afucking Hawk.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Well, yeah, because he's got two stats with him and
he won his chip there.
Even though most of hisAll-Stars were with the Hawks,
he's still going in as a Celtic.
No doubt, bro Al Horford'sjersey either, and we shouldn't
either, which really, I mean wedon't have too much else to say
about the finals.
We should creep into that topicbecause, if you remember, that

(45:49):
was something that we wanted totalk about here.
What is the qualifications fora jersey retirement, like what
are your basics for any sport?
What are your basic?

Speaker 1 (45:59):
for any sport.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
What are the basic qualifications?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
All right, so you got to be a Hall of Fame.
So not, you have to be.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I don't think you have to be a Hall of Fame player
.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
No, I think if you're a Hall of Famer, more times
than not, your jersey's retired.
If you're a Hall of Famer andyou were a cornerstone of that
franchise, right?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
For six-plus years.
In my opinion, if you're a Hallof Fame player and you were a
cornerstone for six years, butsee even, for instance, lebron's
jersey should be retired inMiami, correct?
Yeah, he only played for fouryears.
Lebron doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Because he's LeBron doesn't count.
Because he's LeBron, he'sdifferent.
Like KD might get 35 retired inGolden State and in fucking OKC
and it's right to be up in theraft with them both.
Like if a nigga's wearing 35for the Thunder right now, if a
nigga's wearing 0 for theThunder right now, they should

(46:56):
be ashamed of themselves.
Like if you play for theRockets and you don number 13,
nigga, no Nigga.
If they allow you to get number13, right, everybody's wrong.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
But see, this is why this is a conversation
qualifications-wise, because inmy opinion this is just my
opinion they probably won't doit.
But to me, say what you want.
I think Kawhi Leonard's jerseyshould be retired in Toronto.
That's just my opinion, I thinkit should be.
I think his one season wasgreat enough to where it should
be retired, because he is thereason that they want a title.

(47:29):
I think Vince Carter is the onlynigga who should have a jersey
to retire and he's a Hall ofFamer, like Kawhi Leonard Hall
of Fame.
But when you think of His bestseason of basketball was with
them.
That was his best season.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
But when you think of Kawhi you don't think of the
Raptors.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I don't.
But do you think of the Spurs?
I don't really even think ofthe Spurs like that anymore.
Spurs or Clippers.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I think of him more as a clipper than anything now
but but I mean kawhi leonardjust probably shouldn't get his
jersey retired, because part ofgetting your jersey retired is
having a home I get agreed, seeso.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
But that goes into qualification, just obviously,
in the cases of the great greats, the guys that are in the that
sit at their own table of kdlebron, they don't meet, have to
meet those standards where theyplay because of who they are.
But but so then being a hall offamer, again it goes back to
what you that was the firstthing you said when I said
qualification.

(48:29):
I don't think that thatnecessarily matters as much
because because nick collisonright his jersey, not nick
collison, whatever his name isfor the Thunder his jersey is
retired.
I think that's bad, though I dotoo, just like Udonis Haslam
having his jersey retired.
But those are like two similarcases of man.
These guys were with thefranchise the entire time, right

(48:51):
, Vince Carter getting his nextjersey retired.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
That's bad.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
That's bad right, because they didn't do anything
and he wasn't even there longenough.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
And he wasn't iconic there.
He's not tied to the franchise.
I think of Richard Jefferson,with the Nets more than I do,
and Kenyon Martin.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think of Kenyon Martin more.
You know what I'm saying.
I think of Kerry Kittles, Ithink a lot of guys.
I think Jason Kidd's jersey isretired right.
I I assume Jake the Kid'sjersey is retired right.
I'd hope so.
Let me see.
I want to see Nets retiredjerseys.
I'm just going to Google itreal quick.
But here's.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
the thing that I didn't think about until we
started this conversation,though, is every great player
doesn't necessarily deserve toget their jersey retired, like
Carmelo Anthony.
Now he got fucked over becausehis Denver jersey may have
should have gotten retired.
Now he got fucked over becausehis Denver jersey may have
should have gotten retired, butlike does Melo 7 deserve to
really be retired from New York?

(49:43):
Fuck?

Speaker 2 (49:44):
no, so all right.
So I'm on basketball, real GMand I can go through every team,
but just, for instance, justbecause I pulled up the Nets, so
the Nets jerseys.
Darren Petrovich kind of makessense, sentimental type of time
and he was pretty good and hewas a foreign player at the time
, right, so like you know, buthe died while on with the Nets

(50:05):
Makes sense.
Jason Kidd yes.
Bill Russell's retired acrossthe league, so that makes sense.
Vince Carter no, no, eventhough, look, it has five
seasons with the Nets 23.6points, 5.8 rebounds, 4.7
assists, 1.2 steals and threeall-star appearances.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
None of that stuff matters, like for one.
He wasn't the best player onthe team.
He wasn't the team he wasn't apart of like a 10-year run.
He wasn't like the niggas fromthe Bills who were there.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
See, and this is a sucky-ass franchise, though, lee
, because the rest of the guysI've never heard of, john
Williams said four seasons.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Don't even read them all.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Buck Williams, dr J kind of makes sense.
I don't know what he did ABAwith them, but obviously I know
he was in that.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
So that makes sense.
That's where he won hischampionships and shit.
I mean he won a title with theSixers, I know, but he won
multiple championships.
The reason why he got to be inthat GOAT conversation was
because of the work he did inthe ABA.
So yeah, he was retirementworthy in the ABA.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
So wait, wait, real quick, only because I had to go
to the Hawks.
Everybody on the Hawks whosejersey is retired actually
deserves it.
Everybody with the Hawksorganization theirs is deserved.
Bob Pettit yes.
Dominique Wilkins yes, lou.
Hudson yes, Based on what I'mlooking at, 22 points a game and
six All-Stars in 11 seasonsprobably.

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Sure, yeah, Pete Maravich.
Obviously he died young.
He didn't die young, he wasn'tplaying with them then.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
He's a legend.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
And then it's Dikembe Batumbo.
So all those people, those arethe only.
And then Bill Russell again,because this is across the
league, but like everybody else.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Joe Johnson shouldn't get his jersey retired.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
He would be the closest right now Of anyone.
If you had to put a Hawk inagain, it would be him.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
And he might, and I wouldn't be like.
This is bullshit, but by mystandards Joe Johnson shouldn't
get his jersey retired.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
But you don't think because you agree.
You don't think Joe Johnson's aHall of Fame player but his
best year was with the Hawks.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, but again, I don't think Carmelo Anthony,
who's a top 75, I don't thinkhis jersey should get retired
anywhere.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I disagree.
I mean, I think that both theNuggets and the Knicks no the
Nuggets he didn't do anythingfor, either because he didn't
win anything Hell no the.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Nuggets, hell, no, the Nuggets.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
No, well, of course, because of Jokic, but if
Carmelo's number was 16, hewould retire, is all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
But it's not 16.
It's 15.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
But that's their fault for reassigning it, which
is a deeper layer of thisconversation.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
That should even tell you more that they didn't say
hey, we're going to just no.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Okay, but there's somebody wearing 11 on the
Falcons.
Julio is one of the peoplewhose jersey gets retired in
Atlanta.
Julio is one of the peoplewhose jersey gets retired in
Atlanta.
It's organizational failure tojust allow it, and I get it.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I think because they left on somewhat bad terms.
I don't think Mello's wasorganizational failure.
He wanted out.
You know I disagree with themallowing somebody to wear
Mello's 15.
But I was also a kid when Mellowas number 15 for Denver, so it
resonates with me differently.
But if I'm the Cronkies andthis guy just wants out, he

(53:27):
wants out on his own terms.
He doesn't even want to do itin a way that works best for
well.
No, he actually did it betterfor them, but he just wants out.
He doesn't want to be here andhe's causing problems like no,
fuck your number.
That's also part of it, becausepart of your jersey being
retired is not just the way thefans see you, but it's how the

(53:51):
team itself sees you.
Arthur needs to make some phonecalls to Julio Jones.
He's got some stuff he needs toclean up with Julio before
Julio's jersey goes up.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I'm not trying to be funny, he's not a spring chicken
, so like I mean, that needs tohappen soon especially now that
Julio's because because even theway that Julio retired the idea
would have been man, he signs,just like Matt did.
You sign a one day contract.
We retire you because you are afalcon.
At the end of the day, nobodyremembers anything about julio
jones on any other team youplayed for.
No, he's a falcon because hedidn't, he did.

(54:30):
He's one of the few players,just like even with matt ryan,
we're gonna throw that coltseason in the trash.
Nobody thinks about that.
I don't know, I had his jerseyupstairs but like I don't think
about it.
But, um, you know, it's thesame thing withio, and so I
guess just all I'm saying is, interms of the requirements for a
retired jersey, it'scircumstantial to the franchise.

(54:51):
That's the best way to reallyput it, even though we both
agree.
Nick Collison and Udonis Haslamthose are two guys, right,
they're lifers for theorganization.
They are, you know, they're notmaybe their.
They're all-time games playedguys, almost basically.
But like, outside of that theydon't have anything else.
They didn't, and UDOT hasn'twas a part of that 0-16 that won

(55:13):
.
He was the starter, like he wasthe contributor.
He wasn't on any of the otherchampionships, he was a coach,
he was a player coach at thatpoint.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
No, he contributed in the LeBron.
Yeah, nah, he contributed inthe.
Lebron yeah, he wasn't startinggames though he wasn't starting
, but he was in the rotationLike UD played.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
I want to see what his numbers were in those finals
.
I feel like he didn't do agoddamn thing for them.
Let me see he was in therotation though.
Yeah, because you know what?
Because they didn't have anydepth on the fucking Heat teams,
Because they did have thosethree niggas.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I mean, whatever your reason is.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Okay, so I got it pulled up.
Udonis Haslam NBA final stats.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Hold on one second.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
So, and okay, Come on , Lee, we're not doing this,
we're not doing this.
He played.
So he played big minutes in thefirst time when they lost to
Dallas, and in that series heplayed 29 minutes.

(56:30):
He gave you six and five.
His jersey shouldn't fucking beretired.
I guess that's all I'm saying.
And then when you look at therest of it, he played 16 minutes
the next year, then 10, then 5,then .5.
So that's his finals rundownNow, brent, his numbers in that

(56:54):
first finals with LeBron areactually comparable to his
numbers with the 06 team, butthe issue with that 06 team is
this there are things that can'tbe quantified for what he did
on6 team.
But the issue with that 06 teamIs this there are things that
can't be quantified For what hedid on that team, that team.
It makes a little bit moresense In my opinion.

(57:17):
So, yeah, a guy like him.
I don't.
I don't understand why it isretired there for him.
So I'll go on, even to NickCollison.
Let's just look at NickCollison.
Nick Collison actually playedfor the Seattle Superstars.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Hey, I'm back, let's stop here.
No one cares about this.
This is terrible, I know, butI'm just Look here, if your
jersey gets retired, it shouldmake sense.
If people but like I'm justjust, yeah, like, look here, if
your Jersey gets retired, itshould make sense, like, if
people are like what the fuck,then your Jersey shouldn't be
retired.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I don't think there's too many like, but there are.
What the fucks?
There's like a lot for guysthat deserve it.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
I guess.
I mean I just don't.
I think it's up to thefranchise man Like, hey, if I
don't, it's anorganization-driven thing, but
it has to make sense.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
But.
I also think that, like outsideof, like the legend legends,
but Vince Carter, like we agree,like even just a Vince Carter
makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I mean, like, like Phil Simms, phil Simms, his
jersey shouldn't be fuckingretired.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, but he won a Super Bowl.
There's things that like youknow what.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
You weren't great.
You weren't a great NFLquarterback.
You don't get your fuckingjersey retired, you get your
Super Bowl ring.
That's what you get.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
He's a two-time Super Bowl champion.
I two-time Super Bowl champion.
I don't care how many times washe All-Pro.
He won a Super Bowl MVP.
How many times was he All-Pro?
Hold on, he's not.
He's a two-time Pro Bowler.
I mean, he's Eli Manning.
Again, he won the NFL man ofthe Year.
I'm just saying there's a lotof things that would make it to
where he would get it Two SuperBowl wins, an MVP, a Super Bowl

(59:02):
MVP, man of the year.
There's a lot of reasons why itmakes sense he's in it.
If it's my franchise thatdoesn't necessarily mean I'm
retiring your jersey.
I'm with you If Chris Chandlerhad won the Super Bowl, but I'm
just bringing him up as anexample.

(59:24):
Let's just look at ChrisChandler.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
His jersey shouldn't get retired.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I agree, I don't think Chris Chandler was great.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Stafford's jersey should not get retired, matt.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Stafford's.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah, his jersey should not get retired it is.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I think the Rams and the Lions are going to retire.
They shouldn't Neither.
No, he didn't win shit for theLions and the Lions are going to
retire.
They shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Neither Franchise.
No, he didn't win shit for theLions and he hadn't been with
the Rams long enough and put upto all pros and the numbers
that's required.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Eli Manning.
Do you think Eli should beretired?

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
You think Phil Simms should Lee?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
the only difference.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
The only difference in there.
Literally, I'm looking at Eli'sstats.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Hold on, no statistical argument you make is
going to matter to me, and Ican be wrong for speaking on
Phil Simms because, like I'mjust saying they did the same
thing, hold on.
Let me finish my point right,because it's not always
stat-based, but, like, when youthink of the super bowl giants,

(01:00:28):
yeah, they had the great uh,they had the great uh front,
they had the crazy catches, butagain, your great plays were eli
plays.
You think about eli in thosesuper bowls.
When you think about the, thatother giants, you think of law,
of Lawrence Taylor, you think ofLawrence Taylor.
So that's why I give Eli thenod over Phil Simms, because

(01:00:50):
although that was a team with agreat run game, a team with a
great defense, you still thinkof Eli's Giants, right.
Like when you think ofStrahan's Giants, you think of
the team that lost to the Ravensin the Super Bowl.
Yes, he was on Eli's Giants, butthose are Eli's Giants, right,
but like those were never PhilSimms Giants.
So because they weren't PhilSimms Giants, I look at it

(01:01:13):
differently.
And I know that you can't putthat standard on paper, but like
I don't have to, because I'mthe fucking owner of a pro
sports team and I get to choosewhose jersey gets retired or who
goes into the fucking ring ofhonor and I put myself in that
ring of honor on a primetimegame.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I knew who you were talking about.
Yo, he's a fucking dick forthat.
Why did he take the shine awayfrom Matt Ryan, especially
considering they both gotannounced the same year?
Matt should have been theSunday night game and then he
should have been the Thursdaynight.
Even if he was going to do it,why did he have to be the Sunday
night game?

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
We've had this conversation here already.
Can we get to Tibbs gettingfired?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Let's get to it Was it deserved.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I won't say deserved, but I understand the decision.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Would you have made that decision as James Dolan?
I don't know, possibly becauseyou knew that you had a better
coach that you could get.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
No, not that I knew I had a better coach that I can
get.
I see that the flaws in my teamand what's going to get us over
the hump are not your strongpoint.
Like the Knicks, offense neededto change and we need to get
Jalen Brown, not Jalen Brown,jalen Brunson.

(01:02:35):
We need Jalen Brunson.
We need to get more peopleinvolved and I don't know that,
and nothing aboutibbs's resumesays he's the coach that has the
offense, that has the offensiveacumen to make that happen.
So that's why I could seemaking the move, not necessarily
because someone is a bettercoach, but because someone is
possibly a better fit or.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I know that this isn't what we need well, the
issue is this you lost to thesame two teams.
I mean, you lost to the sameteam two years in a row and I
don't know, I'm not saying that.
Look, the nba is a game of theleague.
It's a league of trends, right,like everybody's gonna look at
how the thunder and the pacersare about to play tonight and
they're gonna say, damn, what'ssimilar about both of those

(01:03:19):
teams?
They're like, oh, they havedepth.
Like they develop their teams,like most of the players on the
teams are guys that they draftedor were guys that got cast away
early.
Ie obi toppen, right, and Imean the thunder made a move by
getting caruso, by trading awayjosh giddy, somebody who
flourished with the bulls andwas good with the thunder for

(01:03:40):
what it's worth, had a littlebit of a dark cloud over his
head.
But like you, look at thoseteams now everybody's about to
try to go to this model of.
We do need obviously a reallygood player, but like at the
same time, we need to bedepth-based.
The Knicks don't have any depthand so, like that was their
biggest flaw, they lost game one.
Obviously, miracle comeback.

(01:04:01):
Nobody's going to have a runlike how Neesmith Neesmith made
like six threes in the last fiveminutes of a game that doesn't
happen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
often it's not depth.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
It is depth.
They don't have depth.
That is the next problem, butthat's not what got them beat.
Yeah, his coaching in game one,having that big of a lead with
that much time, is why they lost.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Well I don't know if that's coaching.
I don't know what is it At theNBA level, the conference finals

(01:04:45):
, to see when the game isslipping away.
Hey, let's slow this down,let's get a good shot.
Let's you know what I mean Like, let's not just, soon as you
get the ball, cat Jack a three,a bridge Jack a three.
You know what I'm saying andmaybe you can say it's coaching
because they don't have fluidoffensive sets.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
It is.
That's what makes it that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
But, dog, like you've played enough basketball.
You've been in a pickup gamewhere you were up like five.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
If coach says we're running the 20 not to cut you
off, I'm sorry, but like ifcoach says run 24 seconds off
the clock, we're going to takeup the.
You don't blow that leadbecause it's impossible to do.
Even if you miss all your shots, they have to make all theirs.
You have to miss all like.
The circumstances around howthey blew that game is why they
lost the series.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
But you as a bystander are saying if coach
says we should do this right,shouldn't the professionals, the
elite of the elite, know to dothat without?

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
but they clearly didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Clearly, they didn't because they didn't do it and
I'm saying like, yes, coach,gets fought for this, but I'm
not gonna make this just a coachthing.
This is not elementary school,middle school, high school
basketball, even collegebasketball.
This is the nba easternconference finals.
Jaylen brunson should know inhis head hey, they are hot,
we're not.
Let's slow down, let's get agood shot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
So you blame Matt Ryan for the Super Bowl loss,
then no different sports,Because he has the power to
change the plays and could havesaid let's run the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
No, no, no, those are totally different sports.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
But what makes them?
But I'm saying, they aredifferent sports, but what makes
that any different from that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
situation.
Matt can audible to only somany plays based on the
personnel on the field right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
He could have fucking said I'm going to just run it
then.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
But he can't put the run personnel on the field.
If the right personnel is noton the field, even if he calls
the running play, the look andthe personnel may not match up
for that to be a favorable play.
There are so many othervariables in football.
Because it is a set play break,set play break.
Basketball is continuous, so ittakes a lot of the coaching out

(01:06:57):
, the coach, the in-gamecoaching out of it, and it gets
to philosophical stuff.
And yes, your coach can have aphilosophy.
But as a basketball player youknow that if you have a big lead
and the game is almost over andthey're coming back, you should
slow the fuck down and get agood fucking shot, just just to
calm them down go to the hell,go to the hole to get fouled for

(01:07:20):
do what she does.
Yeah, like you know what I'msaying, like you're gonna make
them foul these are basicbasketball principles that
niggas who didn't play pastfucking high school know and
understand.
So that's why I can't put thaton just coaching.
Like nigga, you played for JayWright.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Look, players play coach's coach and cheerleaders
cheer Little Wayne line.
By the way, car 6 comingtonight.
You going to listen?
Yes, a little wane line.
By the way, car six comingtonight.
You gonna listen?
Yes, okay, me too.
But, point being, I agree withyou from I agree with you from
the standpoint of it's not allon tibs, but you do look at tibs

(01:07:57):
.
You have to look at tibs.
Call the time out, right, bro,like get everybody's head out of
their ass and say hey guys,this is the eastern conference
finals, we're at home, we gottaleave.
It was just 14, now it's downto eight or whatever.
He probably called a timeout.
Stop fucking shooting the ball.
Jaylen, handle the ball at thetop of the key.

(01:08:18):
You do this cat.
You pick and roll.
We're gonna get a foul out ofthis.
If somebody's open, of course,make the play, but outside of
you guys are touching the ball.
Y'all are all NBA players.
I need you guys to take overthis game, because we're not
about to blow this game at homeright now.
We're not about to do that.
He's shooting the lights out.
He keeps fucking.
He's obviously taking threes.
Let's play a little.

(01:08:40):
The other end Like yes, we'redoing this.
On this end.
They have to shoot threes.
They have to shoot threes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Again, a coach is supposed to say all of those
things.
I feel like he didn't, butthey're common sense.
I know they're common sense.
Basketball players should knowhey, we got a big lead.
Run them off the three-pointline.
If they get twos, we match twoswith twos.
When they start making threes,that means we got to make threes

(01:09:09):
to match their twos, and wedamn sure can't have empty
possessions.
So goddamn like that puts morepressure on us.
Run them off the three-pointline.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
That shit was inexcusable.
What happened to that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Hey, hey, hey, hey, excusable, what happened to them
?
Hey, hey, yeah, yeah, nowswitch that, switch that, now
switch everything.
Bro, no threes.
Like I'm telling you, I playpickup basketball and you can be
coming down the game point, youup one, and, uh, you up, you're
up one, you got game point andwhatever, and they got the ball
right.
Yeah, we're switchingeverything.
No threes, or I don't even knowthese niggas' names, and it is

(01:09:48):
just pick up basketball.
It's understood.
In certain situations in thegame, you play a certain way.
So, yeah, I'm going to blamethe coach.
Well, I blame the coach becauseI'm going to blame the players
too, because they're playingstupid-ass basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Like you said, in that situational awareness
moment, the players should know.
I agree with you.
Like I'm not disregarding ordisagreeing with that.
What I'm disagreeing with isthe fact that but there is a
coach right, that is kind of thebecause at that point you don't
need a coach.
Then LeBron should be coachingthe Lakers.
Like you know what I'm saying.
Like you don't need a coach,then the coach is on the floor.

(01:10:27):
He's still got to manage therotation, so he's got to manage
two minutes too, and he didn'tdo it.
That's why.
That is why he lost his job.
This is what I'm saying.
He lost his job because of thatgame.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I probably no, no, no , no.
But he didn't the way he losthis job, because for one they
couldn't break a fucking press.
You got jalen brunson dribblingthe ball up the court.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Draw up something.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Against 94 feet of defense and he's tired himself
out.
Then he's also not gettingother players involved because
they're not running a fluidoffense.
That's the coaching flaw thatgot Tibbs fired, because that's
not just game one, that's gametwo, that's game three, that's
game four.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Yeah, no, no, no no no, that's true, but I'm just
saying but if you don't blowthat game, if you don't blow
that game, it's a completelydifferent series Maybe, but you
still may lose the series andthe problem.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Maybe, but you didn't get an opportunity to but the
problem.
But you don't fix the problemof Jalen Brunson beating the
fuck out of the ball and otherplayers not getting the ball
throughout the game to buildrhythms, to be able to be good
consistently.
Like people are knocking MikaelBridges for playing like shit.
Oh, you gave up this many draftpicks for Mikael Bridges.

(01:11:34):
Hey, man, watch the Knicks gameand see how many times he gets
the ball where he can actuallyplay basketball.
Or watch Jalen Brunson justbeat the ball into the fucking
the fucking ground for 17seconds.
Nigga, like dog.
The only people who think heshould be able just to shoot
consistently while not playingconsistently and not touching

(01:11:56):
the ball consistently.
And I mean by playing as inlike getting being involved in
the offense.
Or niggas who've never playedbasketball.
When you're playing and you gota good-ass nigga on your team,
that nigga is fine, he's abucket, but guess what, he don't
pass.
So when you get that bitch, oh,I'm shooting, good shot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
No matter, I'm shooting.
And let's be real about it too.
Jalen Brunson, as good as he is, he ain't that good either.
No, he ain't good either,because if Kobe Bryant's on my
team, I'm okay with that.
What you just said, I'm okaywith that because it's Kobe.
I'll let Kobe take bad shotsbefore I let Sasha Blitz just
take a good shot.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Are you speaking as a fan?
Are you speaking of yourself aslike a Mikael Bridges type
person, like a player?

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Yes, I, as a fan, I want probably to take the bad
shot with two guys on him, asopposed to sasha with a guy
closing out but, like, as aplayer, you're like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
No, bro, like, let me get like yeah, that's not sound
basketball yeah, like, like,like, let's get touches, so so,
when you need me to, to not butdale brunson's not kobe bryant
and he to not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
But Jalen Brunson's not Kobe Bryant and he's not
LeBron James, like he's not them.
I'm saying with those greatplayers, there's exceptions.
Yeah, there will be exceptionsin those situations.
If LeBron was on the Knicks andJalen Brunson was on the Lakers
, you wouldn't have cared.
If LeBron was beating the ball,yes, you would probably have
said, man, he should pass it andLeBron's a passive player.

(01:13:27):
But like, at the same time, ifhe was doing it, you're okay
with it because it's LeBron,because he's got control of the
situation and we know who he is,we know what he's done.
His resume speaks for itself,same with Kobe, any of those
type of guys.
Jalen Brunson's not on thatlevel and that's a part of the
reason.
Like that is a part of thereason they lost too.
He's just not that good either.

(01:13:47):
Like he's good, he's very good.
He's not great and that's justthe truth.
And that's what they're goingto have to do with whoever they
get as the new coach.
That's why the Giannis stuff iscoming up, because I would
trade cat too, if, if, thatmeans I get yannis, I'm doing it

(01:14:09):
like I'm not even thinkingtwice about it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
I would do it for katie.
I'd rather do it for katie.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
I think katie is a better fit I need to know what,
the, what, the uh, do you getanything like?
I need to know what else you'regetting, because you have to
still get another big.
You don't want mitchellrobertson being in the game in
the fourth quarter.
You have to have a layout ofwhat the offseason looks like.
I'm okay with getting, because,think about it the Suns would

(01:14:32):
gladly take Cat for KD straightup.
They actually would.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Yeah, but when you're your fourth quarter, five is
going to be Brunson Bridges,josh Hart, og and KD.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I wouldn't want to defend it, because KD obviously
can play off ball and with ball.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah, like that becomes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Actually he becomes, even though it's Jalen Brunson's
team.
Still, he's the focal point.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Yeah, and then KD can also say, hey, motherfucker,
swing that shit, because he hasthat kind of respect.
And Jalen has to shut the fuckup and swing it Because he's
great, exactly, and everybody onthe court respects him.
Because right now there'snobody who can tell Brunson to
swing that bitch and he has tolisten and respect it.

(01:15:32):

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
But that gets back to literally what I was just
saying.
He's just not that great of a.
He's not a great player.
So, like and Norris Catt,neither of them are great.
They're very good players,Neither of them are great.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
They're very good players.
Neither of them are great.
I just don't think Giannismakes them better and they can
probably win a championship LikeI got you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
If Kat is the only big piece that falls out of that
, or if they're able to, forinstance here hold on, just hear
me out you trade Kat and Iwould keep OG, I'd probably.
I mean it would suck, but JoshHart goes because he had a bad.
He had a bad, he played bad.

(01:16:15):
If you traded Cat and Josh Hartto the Bucs and you were able
to get Giannis and two not Kuzma, but like two pieces off that,
team.
You're not getting piecesbecause you're already not, well
then it has to free up themoney to sign some of them, and
I'm not talking about top tiertalent, but to fill out to where

(01:16:38):
you can actually have a bench.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
But here's the problem, fuck a bitch.
You just lost one of your bestthree-point shooters and
replaced him with a guy whodoesn't shoot threes and does
not compliment Jalen Brunson.
Giannis and Jalen Brunson don'twork.
That's Because if Giannis,they're both scorers kind of.

(01:17:03):
And they're both at the basketand if Giannis is in the game
like you, can cheat off of himwhen he's in the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
But what if Brooks does a sign and trade right and
you get Brooke to come?

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Brooke is cooked.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Brooke is still a rim defender and he can shoot.
Brooke is done.
Brooke's going to the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Lakers Brooke is cooked.
He might go to the Lakers, buthe's done.
You don't like?

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
that I like that with the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
I mean sure, but if you're saying in Boston, not in
Boston, in New York, brooke atthe five, giannis at the four.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
You keep Mitchell Robinson, so you'll still have
him too.
So you get like Cat, obviouslynot nearly as good today, but
like jalen brunson can't?

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
jalen brunson can only play well off the ball
because the lane is clogged.
And is he gonna play that way,like when you just actually
think about how it works on thecourt?
I mean yannis and dame barelyworking and dame spreads the
floor well, it sounds like likeLeon, rose has got a lot of
fucking shit to think about then.
Because, like Giannis soundsbetter, because he's younger and

(01:18:13):
he's at his peak or whatever.
But if you're talkingbasketball, kevin Durant is a
much better fit, because KevinDurant can get his 27 off of 15
shots Well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
I'll tell you what, because we started this off with
Tibbs.
Who do you hire, then?
Who's your ideal coach, though?
And let's say that some ofthese moves happen.
Who do you hire?
Does Mike Malone fit with KevinDurant?
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
I don't think he fits with that team at all.
I don't know the name of thecoach.
I know it's a coach with amotion-based offense, a more
inclusive offense that allowsfor Brunson to run his ISO shit
in crunch time but throughoutthe game.

(01:18:59):
A more inclusive offense.
And, Brunson, you startaveraging more.
So like 22 and eight instead oflike you're 25, you're 27,.
So like 22 and eight instead oflike your 25 or 27,.
Right, but your 22 is going tobe more efficient.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I know you brought up Jay Wright, right.
Obviously there's the Villanovaconnections.
He's retired, he's still young,he's never coached in the NBA.
What would that look likethough you know what I'm saying
Like if you brought in a collegecoach.
Of course, people have talkedabout UConn's coach Fuck, no,

(01:19:34):
Dan Hurley Dan, but especiallyas bad as UConn was this year.
I mean, they made it to theSweet 16, but like Damn all that
, all that yelling and extrashit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Damn, take that shit somewhere else bro.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
What's meant for college, bro huh?

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Yeah, bro, like Nigga , if I'm making $200 million,
$150 million, bro, I'm just notbeing spoken to in that way ever
.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Right, fuck you and your $10 million a year right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Bro, it's like nigga, like, like it.
10 million dollars a year,right, bro, it's like nigga,
like, like it becomes a.
He creates a space of, ofblatant disrespect to authority,
right, not, man, fuck whatevercoach talking about, we're gonna
do whatever we're gonna do,right, just let that nigga talk.
That's normal.
Like nah, hey, dan, nigga, yougotta chill the fuck out, bro,

(01:20:23):
nigga, ain't nobody doing thatshit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
You know what's weird ?
Bovada had a certain coach onthe list and he wasn't at the
bottom of it in terms of odds.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Who?
Eric Spoon.
They had Pat Riley on the list.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
And I'm like Pat Riley's not coaching basketball
anymore.
No, but could you imagine?
Well, he's not coachingbasketball anymore.
No, but could you imagine Imean, if you want to think about
Nick's nostalgia the obviousanswer is, if the Knicks paid
Pat $20 million, $25 million,whatever he wanted, and they

(01:21:02):
said, hey, two years, can you doit?
Do you think Pat would thinkabout it?
Because how old is Pat?
Let's see how old Pat is, justfor argument's sake.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
I don't know if you get the buy-in from everyone
else in the organization,because you got to think about
it World Wide West.
They're not going to be able torun the organization the way
that they.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Pat's 80.
He's not coaching, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
You wouldn't give it to Pat anyways, because Pat
would have you on some bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
He's the godfather of the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Bro, niggas don't want to play for Pat.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
This nigga has gotten a Lifetime Achievement Award
the Chuck Daly LifetimeAchievement Award in 2012.
He has not coached since.
Oh wait, Nobody wants to playfor Pat award in 2012.
He has not coached since 2020.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Nobody wants to play for Pat.
You see, free agents don't goto Miami.
Nobody want to do that shit.
80% body fat.
He had no social life.
He got the PIs watching it.
No, I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
But he wasn't doing that with the Lakers.
I don't think he was doing that, or in was, or in New York for
that matter.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
He didn't have the cachet to do it with the Lakers
In Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
I feel like he knew lifestyle-wise he had to keep
these motherfuckers fit becauseof being down there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
What's the difference between LA and New?

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
York, I know.
But I'm just saying I highlybecause, well, he didn't coach
Shaq in LA, but I guess none ofthe niggas were out of shape
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
But the rumors are like when Shaq and Gary Payton
and Antoine Walker was in Miami,that they weren't going for
none of that heat culture.
So they're like, nigga, no, weare pros, we do this, and I'm
sure it was similar with LeBron.
You think LeBron, you think hekept LeBron in inside?

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
But Braun takes care of himself, wade takes care.
Like these were guys that werebought in.
They hadn't won yet either.
Like Shaq had already won.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
I got you Andron.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Walker and Gary didn't have rings, but they were
rich as fuck.
Like I mean, I don't know itwas a little different, but I'm
saying like it takes a certaintype and they weren't in their
primes, none of them were intheir primes, none of them were
in their primes.
All three of them dudes were.
I mean D-Wade was kind of.
His decline was coming.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
But hold on, you may.
No, you were still in highschool when LeBron and them came
to Atlanta the first time theythrew an after party the Heat
game.
Yeah, the first time.
Yeah, they threw an after partyat the club.
That's not heat culture, thatwould have been your freshman

(01:23:39):
year.
Yeah, bro, that shit was likethe Flyers were circling.
I went to the game.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
I went to the game.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
They threw an after party at Club Miami or Velvet
Room or one of the stapleAtlanta clubs at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
It threw after party and like another year they threw
a party.
So like that's, that'sdifferent.
Brondon had different rules.
You know they had differentrules, but he ain't coming to
New York with that shit, bro.
They're not going.
You saw these niggas afterTibbs got fired.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
What do you think of a look I?
I've got to see how the NBAguys like the party them guys,
we've got about 25, by the way,okay, one more.
Just one more coach there, jeffVan Gundy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Yeah, no, I think that's the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
He's thought of.
I think he's a consultant forthe Clippers or something he did
.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
No, he's on the staff at the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
And they talked about obviously like what the work he
did with the.
Usa, like under team orwhatever.
And that's a nostalgia hire too, obviously, because the last
time they did go he was there.
Jeff's been on TV.
He was on TV for so long.
He clearly wants to coach again, which is why he's coaching.
Do you think that that willultimately be the answer?

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
I think that's the answer because he ain't going
for this punk-ass basketball,but he's also dealt with stars,
like he dealt with Ewing.
He's been out there in LA and Ithink him dealing with the
Kawhi stuff, just seeing howthat is and how you can't just

(01:25:17):
be a hard ass all the time withevery superstar because at the
end of the day they control yourdestiny.
So you got to give a little bitin.
You know give and take.
I think that from thoseexperiences that he has set
himself up to be able to adaptand bring old school principles
while still understanding themodern player.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
I think we can talk about the trades and shit the
possible trades next week, causethey're not dated, cause no
one's been traded.
Yeah, I guess we can just jumpto NFL.
Aaron Rogersaron rogers to thesteelers.
I mean duh, yeah, we kind ofknew it was coming.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
There was uncertainty just because of aaron rogers,
but like we all kind of knew hewas going, the league knew it.
That's why the schedule got setup the way it is.
They open up at metlife againstthe jets, uh, they the Packers.
The game's not in Green Bay butthey do play.
He gets to play the Packers forthe first time on a Sunday
night game in Pittsburgh.

(01:26:21):
I think that they set the stage.
Everybody knew he was coming.
I think, unlike Mr Turner, Idisagree.
I do think that having him, I'mnot saying the team is going to
win more games.
What I'm saying is that if theyget into the which is what
matters the playoffs, I stillthink that they can be.
I think that they maybe need toget somebody else.

(01:26:43):
They need another receiver.
I don't like Robert Woods is mynumber two, but like Calvin
Austin, whoever you want tolabel as the two, that's not a
legit two.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Roman Wilson is progressing, so he may have that
breakout year, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
I like what they're doing.
I like what they're doing.
Najee wasn't good.
To me he was yeah, somehow hehad 1,000 yards every year there
.
But the line is going to be thereal question Can they protect
him?
Can they open up holes for therunning game?
They drafted the kid out ofiowa.
Who's good, he's good.
Uh, in like the third round,you still have warren.

(01:27:20):
You got moose.
They're talking about arthursmith.
He's got this affinity withfucking johnny smith, so who
knows if they get johnny withmoose?
Well, that kind of closes up,especially as well as johnny
played last year.
You add that withuth, you don'tnecessarily need another wide
receiver.
With that core that you have,they could be cooking.

(01:27:42):
Aaron Rodgers wasn't theproblem with the Jets on the
field.
In my opinion he wasn't theproblem, like he still was
coming off an Achilles and,unlike Kirk Cousins, he actually
got to finish the season.
So you know Kirk Cousins, hefucking blamed another injury in
that Saints game.
He said I got hurt in theSaints game.

(01:28:03):
It was one of them snaps in thegame and it's just like and then
he just fell off a cliff.
They were.
That's why they didn't fuckingtrade for him.
That's why they didn't.
I wish that they had draftedShador, but they probably like
Will Howard to sit behind him.
You'd have Rudolph still asyour insurance policy.
Who's familiar with the system?
Well, I know it's Arthur Smith,but he's familiar with Mike T.

(01:28:27):
So it makes a lot of sense.
I like the idea.
Let's say they go 10-7 again Inthe playoffs with Aaron Rodgers
.
I know that he loses in the NFCchampionship all the time, but
like I like the idea of him in aone-game win or go home,
especially if he has a goodseason.

(01:28:47):
They go 10-7.
That's not who I would want toplay.
Like I wouldn't want to playhim Even at 41.
Like I don't want to play him,you, at 41.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Like I don't want to play him.
You know, I think he heard JoyTaylor's rant so he had to, you
know, get on the phone and getthat contract signed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Show up huh.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Yeah, yeah, thanks, joy.
You know, during Pride Month.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Who is Joy?

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
You know I listen to her too personal Pod, and she
should be less personal.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Joy is getting.
Don't say it, no, I am going tosay it.
She's getting toaster strudelon her face on the exec that
nobody knows is.
Yeah, that's what's going onwith joy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
I won't say I would never say who she would do those
things with, but as an adultwoman I would hope that she's
well allegedly we know she does,and maybe it's an on air talent
, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Could be an athlete Shit, I don't fucking know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
But, like, maybe it's an on-air talent, I don't know,
could be an athlete Shit, Idon't fucking know.
Or it could just be a randomjoke because, like, if you
listen to her pod, you know shereally likes to get stroked.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Where does they're?
In LA, right, that's LA whenthey shoot.
Yeah, okay, and she's got,obviously, her Miami connections
.
She's rich enough she can flywhenever she wants.
So, like you know, there's thatshe's in LA, she's fine, you
mean Holly weird.
You know what?

(01:30:24):
I bet Diddy would have lovedher at some of them parties she
might have went to one or two, Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Diddy was just trying to keep his depression managed.
You know he had a lot on hisplate, that's all you know.
I put this in the.
I forgot to, I didn't.
I don't know, I didn't bring itup, but I thought that Des
Bryant post, the response to theNFL Pride post, was very

(01:30:53):
interesting because you know,like the most important thing
this month is pride month and wehave to keep that at the
forefront.
We haven't talked about it inlike an hour, so forgive us, but
like the NFL saying that it'sall these different parts of the
LGBTQ plus community, I thoughtit was like so disingenuous
because the NFL is not trans.

(01:31:14):
Now the NFL can say we areaccepting of these behaviors and
we support we.
We support those people in thenfl.
Is a is a, you can come workfor the nfl, depending on where
you fall into the spectrum,right?

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
because well, they have fans that are that yeah,
but like everybody needs to beincluded.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
You know what?
I didn't think of it from thatperspective because I was just
really thinking like yo.
No, football is not trans.
There's some bisexual guys,there's some gay guys, but I
wasn't thinking about coachesand support staff fans.
I was thinking about product onthe field.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Well, this is how I view it right and take this as
tongue-in-cheek, obviously, justas a disclaimer for those
listening right now.
But you know, they put inracism in the end zone Black
Lives Matters.
On helmets and stuff like that.
We should have something whereit says like LBGTQ plus 2, like

(01:32:15):
on the helmets too, too.
They should just do that,because that's the way to show
that it's not like an ally likeoh, the nfl is trans.
No, show us your trans.
A post doesn't really do that.
Let's get something year-roundfor it, because that's the point
of us having this whole month.
Isn't it like like, maybe likeblack History Month, when people
bring up something or whatever?

(01:32:36):
It's like we support blackpeople.
It's not the fact that blackpeople are employed and, you
know, live normal lives.
We know that.
We should know that we'reappreciated.
We have to publicly displaythis affection, right?
Because what you do at home andwhile you're by yourself,
that's not good enough.
So let's show it.
Let's show it.

(01:32:56):
We should get for, you know,and Pride Month falls in June
and there's no football beingplayed we should have some
rainbow uniforms.
I think that that would be agreat gesture.
You have a special edition oneweek of games, just like how
they did the military stuff.
They didn't wear them, but theysold them.
Let's do something like that,then Wouldn't that make

(01:33:17):
everybody feel just so much moreeasier.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
You know what?
I'm going to check the NFLstore right now to see if
there's any, if we got any pridematerials no, just a post.
I'm not seeing anything.
I'm not seeing anything on thefront page.

(01:33:40):
I'm seeing Travis Hunter jersey, shador Sanders jersey, you
know little, michael Penix,saquon Barkley, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes, guys like that right
draft gear or Santa Central orif the NFL, if Jay-Z wanted to
make the league better, let'sget a gay act, sam Smith or
somebody, right, you get them.
They can do the halftime showand then.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
We got a pride flag, a Minnesota Vikings pride flag.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
I typed in pride on the website.
Shout out to Minnesota, greatcity.
Minneapolis is a great city.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Some of the teams.
They do have pride gear.
We got some pride gear here onthe website.
You got to look for it, butit's there.
The NFL is pride.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Pride matters yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
With Jay-Z he wins 2.3 million if the thunder beat
the pacers in five where do yousee that at he bet it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
it's on br betting.
Are you serious?
Yeah, jay-z bet.
What did he bet?
Okay, c and five, I like, but Isaid it.
That's literally what I think.
I think that they're gonna.
I do so, all right.
So jay-z's got somebodyadvising him.
That's actually smart, which Imean, doesn't surprise me.
That's a good that I think hebet 2.5 he's gonna win 2.3 I

(01:35:10):
think it's smart.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
That's my opinion because I think that they're not
gonna lose at home and they'regonna win a game on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
So that means five.
I don't think they sweep them,they're not going to get swept,
but like and maybe he's doingthat because he's probably a
Knicks fan Like, maybe thatcould be a little bit.
That's like him letting outanger, or he's a smart investor.
I'm telling you, I think themand five.

(01:35:37):
I told my dad about this, soyou can even bet the sequence
yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah, you can bet OKC game one,game two, indiana game three,
okc game four, okc game five.
I think it's going to go five.
That's what I think is going tohappen.
I think the games will becloser Because, again, I like
Indiana plus 10 tonight.
I think they'll cover.
But that really is a good bet.

(01:36:01):
Like, I think it's a good betIf you have the disposable
income to do it, I'd do it.
Like I would do it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Okay, let's get to some crazy shit on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
You mean Elon versus Trump?

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Yeah, I mean, is it X versus True Social?

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
They could be turning it into that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
I mean, elon helps get him elected, he works for
him does, and then he justleaves immediately.
And now they're putting outthere that he's a druggie.
And now he's saying thatTrump's in the Epstein files.
Well, he wouldn't, would heknow?

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
that I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
He said that's why they haven't been released.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
They did release it.
They was like redacted orsomething, but they did release.
What they didn't do they putout?
They put out something.
What's it says cash or whateverthe fbi guy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
He put out something but like I mean, there were no
big stories about it becausethere were no names, right.
We didn't get what we wantedand and elon is maybe saying
that, uh, president trumpdoesn't want that out, because
he was involved.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Well, there are plenty of pictures of them
together, just like with BillClinton Other people too, I mean
Oprah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
I look at it like some of the Diddy stuff, bro.
Bro, there were some goodactors who were at these parties
who did not partake in anythingnefarious and and were likely
unaware of anything nefarious.
There were others who knewnefarious stuff was going on,
but they were still there andthey were silent about it and
they still carried themselvesappropriately.
There were others who gotinvolved with nefarious stuff

(01:37:51):
and went to those parties forthat.
I think there's layers to itand just because somebody is
there, I don't necessarily tiethem to the activities.
Now don't get me wrong.
I don't say that they are greatpeople for doing that because,
like nigga, if you know, littlegirls are in here getting fucked
by grown-ass men and they don'thave much of a say in it.

(01:38:11):
You probably shouldn't bearound that Agree, the right
thing to say is to report it.
But it's not that simple and weknow that.
Like living real life, like Ibet you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
It's like rape, like anything like we talked about uh
think about this one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
You probably know some kids whose parents maybe
should have child protectiveservices called on them but like
, for whatever reason, youwouldn't do that and you go.
Well, I don't want to put thatkid in the system, take them
away from their parents, eventhough what's going on in this
house it's not life or death,but it's like it's probably not
hitting the standard of whatsociety deems acceptable now

(01:38:52):
wait.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
but you're saying if they saw kids at an Epstein
party?

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
I'm saying, bro, you could have a family member who's
probably a pretty shitty parentand child protective services
need to be called.
But it's not like the kid isgoing to die or anything.
They're going to put him inlife or death situations.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
How are you comparing it to the Epstein?

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
I'm comparing it to people knowing that some fishy
shit's going on, something'swrong, and they just don't do
anything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Yeah, but I guess what would the wrong be that
they're saying?

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Bro, if you know this nigga's flying in 16 to 17 year
olds or recruiting them andthey're just being little young
fuck toys for everybody.
No, yes, of course You're notfucking them.
You're there fucking the of-agewomen that are at the party.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
I guess, well, no, well, if I saw a chick that I
knew, you know, I think that.
But even in their positions,it's even more of a reason you
should say something in a weirdway, like if I saw let's say, I
was rich as fuck and I was at aparty and I won't even name a

(01:40:06):
celebrity let's say, a-listcelebrity is here and there's a
girl that appears to be underage.
I don't know if they are they,they appear to be, but I have
conversation with said girlbecause she's there, and then
she tells me oh yeah, I'm 16.
I would probably say are you OK?

(01:40:28):
What's going on?
But remember, if I find outwhat's going on, I probably you
know report it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
No, that sounds good in a vacuum when you're not
involved, right, but think aboutthe other people who are there
and what other ventures you mayhave with them, or their ability
to influence your way of life,or just you even being thrown
into that category by beingthere even though you didn't do
anything.
You did nothing wrong Like thatrisk is a risk that a lot of

(01:41:01):
people were were not comfortabletaking because you're like
these are some of the mostpowerful people in the country
and in the world.
Am I going to be the person torat them out?
Which takes you to why we needto be to movement.
Well you know like it's notcomparable.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
It's not comparable because it's humanity, like it's
a human being, but it'd be likeif you were at a party and
somebody was doing drugs rightand I'm not talking about
smoking weed.
We know that drugs are illegal,right, but it wouldn't make any
sense to call on somebody andsay, hey, they got drugs over

(01:41:39):
here.
Nobody's going to do that.
They shouldn't do it.
You can, but you shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
I guess I'm looking at it from the perspective of,
if it's a human, you don't knowthe situation.
And then, of course, you know,even in certain states right age
of consent varies.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
Oh, fuck all that.
Fuck all that.
If there's four or fivebillionaires here and a former
president or a current presidenthere partying and you are
operating in that world and youknow you got some skeletons not
like those types of skeletons,but like just legitimate
skeletons, whether it's taxevasion, moving money here or
there, or you're trying tosettle this business, deal with

(01:42:25):
this other motherfucker who youknow parties here.
Are you really going to likesnitch him out and rat him out
and then fuck up your business,fuck up your way of life, open
yourself up to an investigation,having the feds knocking on
your door?
There are like realimplications when you're talking
about.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
No, you got dirt on each other like mud wrestlers.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Yeah, exactly, and you know that they might win the
war even though they're wrong.
You know what I'm saying.
And now you've fucked up allyour relationships.
You're seen as a snitch.
Nobody's going to trust you todo anything.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
that is like yeah, but that's wrong.
That's just wrong.
I guess it depends on whereyour moral compass lays.
Your money means a lot.
It's wrong.
But if you're there and youdidn't know, and it's the first
time you were there and it's thefirst time you saw it it how

(01:43:20):
you saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
It's like I guess it depends on how you feel, like I
like I'm just saying it's easyfor us to sit here on the
podcast and say we would do theright thing because you're in
the united states.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
It's not like you're in cambodia, right?
Or yeah, where apparently I'venever been, but apparently
that's what goes on out there.
It'd'd be 14, 15 year old girlnow, and remember, they have to
visibly look like they're thatage too, which is another part
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
But I'm not talking about like none of that shit
fucking matters.
It's just like, oh, fucked up,shit happens every day.
And like people take, likepeople will pick and choose when
they decide to act on it.
And it's easy to say whenyou're not involved in something
, just like we say a team shouldtrade a player or fire this guy
, they shouldn't have done that.
It's easy to say that from theoutside in, but when you have

(01:44:01):
the other internal pressuresthat are involved in that, it
makes you have to look at yourmoral compass and see where it
truly lies.
And sometimes your moral compassisn't as high as you may say it
is and you may not be a personwho would partake in such things
.
And you could tell yourselfwell, I don't do that, I remove
myself from those situations.

(01:44:21):
I did my part, right, but youdidn't stop it either because
the risk stopping it wasn't bigenough, like wasn't a great
enough risk for you and nobodythat you know and love is being
truly affected by this.
So you can just pass theseyoung ladies off.
As I don't know for sure, Ididn't check any ID, I don't
know if it's his niece.
Like I don't know, I don't evenknow and I don't even know if

(01:44:45):
anything bad happened, because Ileft the party before like I
didn't see any fucking you know,what I mean this isn't some sex
party.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
It was a party.
We were drinking.
We were doing what everybodydoes.
We're catching up, like youknow.
We're.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Yeah, people are doing the drugs that they choose
to do.
They're drinking.
We're at the beach, yeah, hey.
But last little thing, right,and it's crazy.
We're talking about likehanging out, partying and
fucking.
And this Cardi B and StefanDiggs shit has been funny and
like I don't really care aboutit from a T-point of view, like,
okay, cardi B is going to showoff Stefan Diggs because her and

(01:45:21):
Offset have had their ups anddowns and, at the end of the day
, hurt people, hurt people,right, mm-hmm, but I just think
Stefan Diggs is a sucker for theway he's playing into it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Like he's lighting it up, did you see?
I guess offset the last postyeah, hold on, let me finish, go
ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, like the, the one
thing on the boat, whatever, uh,that could have been a drone,
that fat that saw them out there, did it I?
I don't know, but he's, he'sout in the boat having fun.
That's cool, but like the postthat she drops where like
they're like kissing and thenlike he getting a lap dance and
slapping her ass and then shesaid a threesome and then she's
like but obviously the earlierclip that came out too, yeah,

(01:46:04):
yeah yeah, you're just sittingthere.
You're like, okay, bro, she'sjust trying to make her old dude
mad, even if she fuck with you.
She doing this to make him madbecause they also been going
back and forth on social mediaand now you and her kid got the
same braids, like as a man, likedog.
The dude used to just be like,hey, I know what y'all got going
on, but just I don't want to bea part of that.

(01:46:25):
Like I fuck with you.
With you, I'm rocking they gotthree kids together it's get
back sex, it's, it's, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
It's a weird thing.
And look, especially, not whereyou're from is what changes it?
Because, granted, he's from thenorth, right, he's from Atlanta
, basically.
And look even me as a person,right, he's from New York, we're
all around the same age.
And now they're rich and famousor whatever Fuck that, who

(01:46:53):
cares?
But like so it's more New York,we're all around the same age,
so it's like I look, and nowthey're rich and famous or
whatever Fuck that, who cares?
But like so it's morepublicized.
So now it's out, which is whatreally makes it.
That's what really makes it turn.
It's actually, you know,everybody knows, right, and it's
not a am I secure enough as anindividual?
The Braves thing is that's likea deep cut, because it's like

(01:47:16):
you know that this is going toget reported and it makes him
look not like a bitch, becausehe didn't do anything, but she's
praised as being a strong,independent woman getting
herself a handsome othermillionaire that plays in the
NFL she looks crazy doing someshit like that to us as black

(01:47:36):
men with children and we don'thave to have children but like,
but it does like, that does look, it looks crazy to me, like I
think it is kind of crazy and Ilike Cardi B because I'm
attracted to her, but like I'dbe fucking.
I'd be doing just what Diggs isdoing too.
To a degree I wouldn't do allthat.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Keep me off the socials.
I'll be with you in public.
We cool being together inpublic.
I'll pull up to the Knicks gamewith you.
I'll do that.
I will go do things with you inpublic.
When it comes to us doingthings intentionally to get
people's attention, I'm notdoing all that.

(01:48:20):
If we get caught, I'm not apart of your game.
Yeah, I ain't part of it and Iget y'all playing y'all's game.
That's between y'all.
But just keep me out of it,because he can have a problem
with me for being with his ex,his baby mama, correct, that's
one level of problem.
But if I start disrespectinghim and being involved in your

(01:48:44):
game, that changes the problem,that changes the response
Because at the end of the day,like we both got baby mamas
right, it's simp shit, that'sjust simp.
It's simp as fuck, like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
At some point our baby mamas right it's simp shit,
that shit's simp.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
It's simp as fuck At some point our baby mamas are
going to move on with somebodyelse.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Mine apparently already has.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
I'm okay with that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
I had to get over that.
But at the same time, you'renot going to sit up and like
Hold on, hold on Right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
We know that that move-on process happens and the
dude is whoever the dude is, andwe can feel however we feel
about it, whatever right, but aslong as the dude is just with
her, but not being against us,whatever our problem is, it's
really not going to go anywhere.

(01:49:34):
Because we know internally, heybro, I'm just being in my
feelings right now, like I'm I'min, like I'm in my feelings,
but like this nigga, he ain'tdisrespected the kid.
I don't even know if he's like,for all accounts, hasn't been
around.
The child is treating her astreating her fine, helping her
out.
Like no, they're not speakingbad on me, right?

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
everyone wants to see how much you care about
yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
That's like the craziest part, yeah, but then
like you start like if, if shestart doing these risque posts
and he and he in the post doingsome, some shit and you know
that she's, you know that she'sposting it because she's trying
to get back at you and she wantsyou to see it, and then, like
he playing along with it's like,oh okay, hold on, nigga, you,
you're doing too much I don'tcondone or expect anything like

(01:50:17):
this, but the most dangerousperson in the world is a man
with nothing to lose, and let'ssay that for him.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
he feels like he doesn't have anything to lose.
Gotta wrap it up too.
Now look, he's rich.
He got women.
He cheated on her.
I I mean, he brought it uponhimself in a weird way.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
I mean he still don't love her and want to be with
her right, well, he's got threekids are there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
I think that that's proof enough, and so like.
But the thing is that let's saythat he's a head case, like
let's say that that's what he is.
We've seen this before withfamous people chris benoit, um
aaron hernandez, there arepeople that have money, that
they have issues, and I don'tthink and I hope that he's not,

(01:51:02):
I hope that that's not what he'son, but this is what I'm saying
.
Even in a situation like this,let's say he does catch him out
in public.
Rap beef is real Sometimes itis.
There are plenty of people thathave died as a result of it.
The Biggie Tupac stuff, kingVon, died here with Kwon.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
Do Rondo this stuff?
It actually happens.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
People get killed in this type of stuff and this is
deeper than those are ops typeshit.
This is actually family.
This is family.
You got my son having braidslike this nigga, hold on, this
is still fresh, like this isstill kind of fresh.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
You were fucking my wife while she was pregnant with
our last kid too, allegedly.
That's what Offset put out.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Right Cause that rumor had came out.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
And then now, you doing all this Now, when I see
you, I have a problem with youbecause you you're disrespecting
me.
You're not with my old lady.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Yeah right, this isn't about you liking her, this
is about you don't like me.
Actually, it's not even thatyou don't like me, it's a nigga.
I want to ask this cigarette inyou.
It is like one of those things.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
Yeah, it turns into something else, yeah, but to put
a ball on that, hey, man, lookfor for guys out there.
If you're involved withsomebody, uh, who has uh kids
and uh public or private man,just be respectful to those
children's father, um, and belike, date her, date her.
And if you eventually becomelike, and if y'all are for real

(01:52:35):
and you eventually become like astepdad or like you know the,
the, the man in the house withthe child, you, you, you, you,
slow, walk yourself into thatrole and you always want to make
sure that there ain't got to belove between you and and the
father.
But there needs to be respectand as long as there's respect
between the two, all problemscan be solved.

(01:52:56):
Stay your ass out of baby mama,baby daddy problems.
If you got baby mama, babydaddy problems, you talk to her
and her only.
You don't bring that shitnowhere else and you don't
inject yourself in there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
I agree exactly with his sentiments on this.
I think that you and that'swhere every if you're cracking
somebody's baby mother, I thinkthat it should be about her.
Let's not get kids involved andthen let's not get the dad
involved.
There's no reason to do thatbecause you're asking for
problems.

(01:53:31):
Yeah, like, don't ask forproblems, like live your
carefree life.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
Your life is better if I don't know that you exist?

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
And not me personally , because in my situation it
don't matter.
I'm on the other side of thecountry.
What the fuck can I say?
Well, I'm fucking, I think,well I'm, I'm just saying yeah
but and that wasn't a shot foranybody who hears this like it
was a joke, like I get it.

(01:54:06):
But nah, man, hey, it's been agood week.
Let's get ready to watch someNBA finals basketball absolutely
another good show, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
We got some big announcements that are going to
come up and we'll be hinting atthem as the weeks go on
throughout this summer.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Yeah, we got Some changes coming here.
Yeah we got some changes coming, big news.
Speaking of changes, we need totalk about getting that, that
once a month guest when we dothe rollout.
Yeah for sure, okay, once amonth guest when we do the
rollout.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Yeah, for sure.
Okay, all right.
Well, salutations, good people,we're off to watch the finals.
Obviously, I'm sure we'll be incontact while this game is
going on with our analysts andthen we'll go from there.
All right, sounds good, doug,I'll holler at you.
Okay, all right, brother.
Salutations, good people.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
Y'all have a good.

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