When Black Culture Meets Athlete Identity: A Raw Conversation

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only sports you can't fight in are the black
sports.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Is football considered a black sport?

Speaker 1 (00:10):
They don't fight in football.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I mean, they kind of do Not really.
I mean like hockey there's nota you can literally square up,
but I'm just saying they'reliterally hitting each other
almost every.
They are hitting each otherevery play.
Yeah, but I'm just sayingthey're literally hitting each
other almost every.
They are hitting each otherevery play.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, but the fights usually look like that too.
It's just like pushing andshoving.
People don't throw punches,because you get kicked out of
the game, and there's only 17games.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is true, but if we're being honest, there's only
really one sport we're fightingactually is allowed, Because
even in baseball that's notallowed.
It's culturally allowed, though.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Think about it In the NBA, they've taken fighting
away from the NBA because ofMalice at the Palace.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Even though we kind of just got one with the Pistons
the other day.
It wasn't a fight-fight, but Imean niggas got suspended, they
got into the crowd.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
But they weren't throwing punches, they were just
pushing, and Dante DiVincenzowas mushing people.
Isaiah Stewart DiVinc Chinzowanted smoke with Stewart,
though I liked it Well, he's aNova Nick.
He's a Nova Timberwolf.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah now, but he's going to always be a Nova Nick
at heart.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Like Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Holsey.
He doesn't watch the Knicks.
He doesn't watch anything.
He watches the ESPN tickerupdate and the red zone yeah
well I was about to say youdidn't look too pumped about him

(02:06):
being the Madden play-by-playguy.
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I don't play Madden.
Me neither, yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I don't but.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I play NCAA, so I play Madden.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's still interesting.
You know, I feel like theyshuffled that around a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I think they should just open up their checkbooks
and get Troy and Joe on there.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
If they were really smart and I know they somewhat
did it they would justlegitimately get everybody
involved so that it could set upto where, if you play on an
ESPN telecast, you get Joe andTroy.
If you play on the Fox Game ofthe Week, you get Tom.
That's a lot of money.
I know it is, but I mean, howmuch money do they need to get

(02:57):
paid for that?
At this point, ai can really doeverything you don't really
need them to do the voicerecordings.
Ai will do everything, so youdon't really need them to do the
voice recordings AI will do it.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
But they got to give you their likeness.
And what if Tom Brady doesn'twant AI using his voice, but he
also doesn't want to take up thetime to record the bits?
Because he's Tom Brady and he'sloaded.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Well, make him like how Michael Jordan used to be in
the basketball games in the 90s.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Not there.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, he was like an NBA court side Kobe Bryant.
He was number 98 for like theyear 1998.
He's just number 98.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Oh yeah, because they couldn't make him 23, because
then he could say that's me.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, he's just over 98.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, you know Bill Belichick, he was never on that
Right.
He would be the Patriots headcoach or New England coach.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, what a dick.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
What a dick.
Well, you know, Chuck, he won'tdo his voice for 2K unless they
make a certain dollar donationto the Retired Players Fund.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Is everybody else on there, like is Shaq, kenny and
Ernie?
Yeah, but at least he has astance right.
I mean Chuck's in the game,though, like as a player.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, that's different.
Yeah he's not talking, butstill.
But yeah, I think what Chuck issaying is y'all make a lot of
money off of this game becausethese players exist, but these
players aren't getting a'tgetting a share, a decent enough
share, which I understand whybecause there's so many players

(04:49):
and ain't nobody really playingwith them old school niggas like
that, if we're being honestright but Chuck is just like now
.
Donate this dollar figure if youwant me to sit down and do this
extra work, because Chuck knowshe has teammates who are poor
and he don't want to be onInstagram like Vernon Maxwell.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
You remember the Vernon Maxwell video from a
couple months ago, right?
Yeah, it was like $10,000 withanother player or something yeah
, but you know Mad Max, he'swith Alder Smoke now yeah.
So I'm sure nobody wants tolose money, but I'm sure he
recouped it already and I don'tthink he was hurting for the

(05:40):
money, I think it was more sothe principle of it.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I agree, and that typically is what it is like.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I know um some of these niggas are down bad though
I'll tell you something myparents told me.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
They said never lend out money that you can't afford
to lose.
So like, obviously, if you lendout money, I assume you won't
get it back with kind of the waythat I took it right.
Yeah, and so like, even for me,I've given somebody four
thousand dollars and I haven'tseen one penny of it and that,

(06:12):
like you know, I could use thattoday obviously, but, um, it is
what it is the day beforetomorrow yeah, but I mean it is
what it is.
I had it to give it the time, soit was.
You know, I expected thatperson to do the right thing,
but they didn't, and you know itis what it is.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, maybe you were repaid in other ways that you
haven't taken the time toconsider.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, that's why I don't sweat over it Like I don't
, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm not sweating over it, you know that's fair, but
hey, how we doing today.
Parley Pete.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Wyatt, I am rolling, how are you?

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I'm good and I just realized we did absolutely zero
pre-production.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I think that we put together some of our best work
when we improv.
Now, of course, we got to knowwhat order we're going in with
this, but for the most part, weknow exactly what we're going to
talk about.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, we're going to talk about NFL offseason, the
draft NBA.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, the lack there of the NBA, because nobody is
playing in these games orthey're sitting out every other
game.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
So we're really talking about the G League and
the bench you know, you knowwe'll talk a little March
Madness.
Maybe we'll talk about Jokerand his 60-20 or 60-10-10.
Or should Joker or SGA be theMVP?
What happens if, you know, theNuggets get put out in the first

(07:53):
round?
What happens if the Mavs wintheir first round series?
Does that endear AB to the fanbase a little bit more?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, we got to talk about Jeff Kobe piping Larsa
Pippen.
That's another one.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Excuse me.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, jeff Kobe is piping Larsa Pippen.
Who is that Exactly?
It doesn't matter, some niggathat played basketball.
I played basketball too, Well,hey, hop in line.
Clearly that's Larsa's guys.
You know what I mean.
It's nba guys.
That's right or not, even nbathis?
I don't think this guy's an nbaplayer, but why do you know

(08:34):
that?
Uh, I had tmz.
Fox was on and tmz it.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
They talked about it so you watch tmz is what you're
telling me no, I just so happento have had Fox was on the TV.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
You're a baddie, I'm not, I'm not, I am not.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Catching up on all the latest celebrity gossip for
the show.
You know what that's goodresearch.
We appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well then you got Kanye.
You know, apparently he'sdropping an album tonight.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
World War III.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I don't care, and it's completely different from
what he somewhat just dropped.
That never hit streaming, butthis one, apparently, is going
to be on streaming.
I don't care.
You didn't hear the cook-up onAct.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
I don't care no.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
I just see the clips on Twitter.
I mean look, I know you don'tcare, he's a Nazi, he's a.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Black Klansman.
Yeah, he's a.
Uh, he's a nazi, he's a blackclansman, he's a he's a yeah,
he's a black clansman.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
He's um a psychopath.
Like he's insane.
Like you know what I mean.
The music is still there.
I'm gonna give definitely giveit a listen, but like at the
same time you also watched theact interview I didn't watch the
whole thing.
I I saw clips Because onTwitter you know how that is on
Twitter, I don't follow any ofthese pages but it's the

(09:50):
suggested stuff, so I did get tosee some clips.
He had some okay things to sayin spurts but, like you know, I
just think when he walks in.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
I'm sure David Duke has okay things to say in spurts
too.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Sure, we probably all do, but, like you know, it's
bizarre to see it, but I thinkit's just.
It's him taking back that forhimself.
I don't know, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
If somebody, if a black man, came on this podcast
in a black Klansman outfit, whatare you doing?

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Asking him why.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I might cut the feed after he answers that one.
I'm not giving this nigga light, nothing.
No, you're not going to sit andtalk to me in a black Klansman
outfit.
See, you can get that off onacademics.
Because he's Jamaican, he wasborn over there.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, that, and then I just think is groupie enough
to do it.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
He ain't going to stand on a principle.
He ain't got morals.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well, that, and if you look at it, there are
certain things that he that theyhave in common Like Trump.
Yeah, you know what I at it.
There are certain things thathe, uh, that they have in common
, right, like trump.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
There's like much more.
Aiden ross is somebody like Iguess he fucked because they're
streamers or whatever yeah, butbut acts are groupie well, right
, I mean think about.
Well, hold on time out, thinkabout this if you said 10 years

(11:21):
ago or 11, 12 years ago, there'sgonna be a guy who sits that
appears he's obviously not inhis mom's basement, but a guy
basically that appears to be inhis mom's basement, that will
have direct ties and links togetting information out of Drake
and Kanye West.
You probably wouldn't believethat shit, drake and Kanye West.

(11:42):
You probably wouldn't believethat shit.
He's somebody that literallycan actually talk to these
people on a daily basis.
He's not a music executive oranything.
He has nothing else but amicrophone.
He has access to exclusiveinformation from these two

(12:04):
people.
If you had said that 10 yearsago you would have been like
that's crazy as fuck.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I don't believe you but he's still a groupie yeah,
I'm not, I'm not trying to herewe go here's because I do
consume some of this content.
Right credit to him forbuilding a platform, independent
platform, large enough that heplatform, large enough that he
is significant enough that thelikes of Drake and Kanye.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Kyle.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Gazelle feel the need to interact with him to get
their message across right.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
They're not going to the source.
They're not going to sway,they're going to act right.
They're not going to sway,they're going to act right.
Shout out to him for buildingthat platform.
But that nigga's a groupie, andI think part of the reason why
those two guys specifically gothere is because they know that

(13:06):
he will cover them favorablybecause of the access, and he
won't stand on him.
He won't stand on a moral, hewon't stand on a principle and
and, and he's no different thanmany people in today's media,
which is why, uh, journalism isdead and these people should not
refer to themselves asjournalists, because they're not

(13:27):
.
They're opinionists who want tosave relationships.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I don't even consider him a journalist.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
But he does some journalistic stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
He's not a journalist , though.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
He doesn't write entries.
You know what I mean, and notthat you have to be a writer to
be a journalist, but I'm justsaying he's not a journalist.
No, he's a hip-hop journalist.
He does break news, he doessource shit.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
That nigga's a hip-hop insider.
He's no different than AdamSchefter bro.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Adam Schefter's a journalist.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
He was a journalist.
That ain't what that nigga doesanymore.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, fair, I'll give you hip-hop insider.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, I would rather him be considered that.
And then here's the other part.
He's a fan of both of them, soof course he's going to cover
them favorably.
He grew up in the same era thatwe did.
He's a fan of them, niggas, andthat's okay.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
I'm a fan of both of them too, but I don't cover them
favorably when they don't dofavorable shit.
Some would think I'm not aDrake fan.
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I listen to all of his music.
I wouldn't I wouldn't consideryou a Drake fan.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Bro, if Drake drops a project, I listen.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Bing bop boom, boom, boom, bop Bam.
That's the shit.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Nah, I didn't listen to that shit.
You didn't listen to KendrickThought I heard somebody else
out of my house.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, you didn't listen to Kendrick.
I'm not a big Kendrick fan,dude, that was who I was just
quoting, yo, no, I'm not a bigKendrick fan dude.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
That was who I was just quoting.
Yo, no, I'm not a crazyKendrick fan.
I just like the way Kendricklike.
I like some of his music.
I think he's a great rapper andI like the way that he handled
the beef with Drake, which iscrazy, pause.
But I'm not like some Kendrickfan.
Like you're not going to comeover to my house and walk in,
you're?
blasting that shit.
No, nigga.

(15:27):
No, I'm going to startlistening to it again soon
because the concert is coming up.
So I got to get in my Kendrickand SZA bag so I can go in there
and be on my West Coastgangster shit and then get into
my emotional bag while I'm inthere singing my little heart
out.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Are you going to be in there if this world was mine?
Hey?

Speaker 3 (15:48):
No, I actually.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Roman, new York town.
Baby, drop it like it's hot.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh, never mind, I got .
I'm getting my songs mixed up,but no, I can probably get that
one off.
I've dedicated certain songs towomen in my past life and
because that song meantsomething to me when.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Luther, luther, yeah, I've sang some Luther to some
women.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
That song, not Luther Van Dross.
Period, I'm saying that song.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I don't think I dedicated that one.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Oh, actually, and this was gonna be another which
we're kind of all over the placeanyways, but uh, I'm about to
send you something.
Go ahead and plug this in thefeed.
Uh, because this actuallyrelates to luther the song and
it gets to, uh, the, the.
What I want to say about braunsexuals and this whole thing,

(16:46):
because obviously, you know, hegot asked the question have you
heard these songs?
And he's like, he lied, he'slike, he's like, he's like.
You know, my youngest son youknow he was showing me, he's
like I think it was yesterday isthis thing, lebron just be
lying.
I don't doubt that he didn'thear it, but I'm just saying he
just be lying.
You can tell that nigga is aliar like no fucking reason.
It's, but I'm just saying hejust be lying.
You can tell that nigga is aliar there's no fucking reason.
It's also like he just doesn'twant to pause when he's talking

(17:09):
and he just is going to saysomething.
But this one was actuallypretty good that I just sent you
.
It's gay as fuck.
Maybe I shouldn't say that outloud on here like that.
It is gay though.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
This is a proun broadcast and you just bring it
like you just on this man, forno reason well, you'd love to
show, you'd love what I justsent you.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Then go ahead, play it.
It's only a minute long.
Copyrights aren't gonna get useither, because song bronze

(17:55):
section.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Bullshit is so crazy.
If look, brown was fine, hey,50,000 points.
My Kings, a greatest of alltime.
If LeBron was mine, I'd makehim dinner form up.
I'm and I'm jealous of savannahcause he holds her from behind.
Wish lebron was mine, causehe's the reason that my whole
world shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine,
shine.

(18:15):
Yeah, my king from the lakersman, I love him, don't you know?
You can trade luca and austin,but don't let lebron go.
When see him the smell ispearly White teeth.
Never feels the flow, man.
My love for Bron.
Since Cleveland to LA it seemsto grow.
Keep it, go Off the floor,start to float Low for grief.
Step back ease, bron.
Bron got us on our knees.

(18:35):
Lebron, you're the reason thatwe watch Dark days.
You hit the bucket for it's hot.
You hit the left, but youdidn't shy.
Better dance only with pride.
If it was up to me, I wouldgive no other ass in the cup.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
It is.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
There's nothing wrong with being gay or doing gay
things.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
No, I didn't say it, it's still gay.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
A gay man did a gay thing when he made that gay song
.
And you know, I feel like I'mprobably in the top 3% of LeBron
fans.
But where I fall in my LeBronfandom versus like that top 1%,
it's a larger gap between 3-1and like 3-10.

(19:29):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Some people are actually just afan of the man's game, right,
and what he stood for and whathe means to growing up in life
and having that basketballplayer.
He's been doing it for 20 yearsso he's got, you know, excuse
me 22 years.
He's got a huge following frommany different generations.

(19:51):
Right, there were niggas thatwere 20, 30, when he got drafted
as a rookie that watched itlike in high school, like when
he would be on ESPN same age,same age.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
They're like, oh yeah , that nigga's going to be it,
he's going to be on that same asthe same man.
They're like oh yeah, thatnigga's gonna be it, he's gonna
be.
He played against multiplefather-son combos, all right,
we're not here to glaze the guy,all right?
No, no, no, no, I'm not glazingthe point that I'm you're
speaking to.
You're speaking to how longhe's been a staple in culture as
the basketball player, and Iwas only using that just to show

(20:24):
how long he's been playing.
I wasn't trying to glaze him atall.
Well, yeah, 20 years, we're nottalking about Kobe here and
you're not on the A-mic.
That's a glaze test right there.
I mean that's Lisa Ann at work.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Well, look, I look at it this way, kobe, I'm not even
going gonna get into kobe.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
this is about I mean please don't, because I, I mean
we'll be here all day but wewould be.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
But this generation, you know, this is what we're
getting into with them.
And these are guys, they'relike 20, so like they were born
when his career started, right,and so, um, and I get it, this
is tick tock air.
So, like you know, it's cool tobe gay and like, have fun, it's
2025, right, like this is thenew it and so, um, some would

(21:14):
say maybe that's gettingdeconstructed as we speak, but,
at the same time, I mean.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
So watch your words well I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Maybe there are things that do need to change,
but regardless, lebron is.
He's been a staple, and I sentyou another one.
By the way, you don't have toplay it, you can listen to that
one.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I'm not, as a LeBron fan.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
That was very cringey Because the one I just sent you
is not as cringe, though it'slike Drake and Josh.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I'm not necessarily a fan of LeBron the man.
How could you?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
not be.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
No, but I mean, I don't care about him as a person
.
I'm a fan of the way he playsbasketball and I like the stuff
that he's done off the courtright, but I put a lot of his
off the court still in the thethe basketball way I look at him

(22:16):
.
You know, like you, your publicimage right, the professional
that you are right but I thinklebron is a cornball like you
just can't be.
You can't be that perfect, right, like they say.
He's a pass first player, buthe scored the most points ever.
Like he's.

(22:36):
He's just great at basketball.
He's been great at business.
He's with his high schoolsweetheart.
He he's with his guys that heeither played ball with or
looked out for him coming up andhe brought them up with him.
All this great stuff, right.
And he's got his son in theleague and Bronny is playing as
if he deserves to be therewithout a cosign from his dad,

(22:59):
right.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
But his hairline can't be the only flaw.
And when you're Braun you knowhe's a prodigy.
That nigga probably been lameforever, but every joke he told
was funny.
Every fine girl wanted to getwith him.
So all the stuff he did is coolbecause he got the results of

(23:25):
what you want to get when you'recool but at his core you can't
be that cool.
That's just my hating theory.
That's fair Not to say he's nota bad person.
But I feel like if you get thebanana boat together, chris Paul
is probably the most normalperson, followed by D-Wade,
because Chris Paul is probablythe most normal person, followed

(23:45):
by D Wade, because Chris Paulis my hype.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
You said followed by D Wade.
Yeah, d Wade's like 6'3".
Have you listened to D Wade?
You said the most normal person.
Yeah, what do you mean?
Explain that.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I'll say more relatable to common people and
crack jokes that are actuallyfunny, versus just have like a
set of guys who've beenworshipped.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Right, okay.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I see where you're trying to go with that.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I'm not going with it anywhere.
I'm just.
I wanted clarity.
You gave it to me.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
But if you listen, to like.
Bwade on 7pm in Brooklyn.
When you can tell he'scomfortable and he went mellow
and they're kicking shit, you go.
Oh yeah, d-wade is a funnynigga and he really be big
brother in all of them niggas.
He's not impressed.
Now Paul Pierce and KG I thinkthey're some of the outliers out

(24:46):
there.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well, because they're kind of the best of both worlds
, in a sense of you can tellthem niggas actually are just
their.
That's who the niggas are.
I mean, think about it, paulPierce certainly, at least his
post.
Well, we knew this while he wasplaying.
Think about it, that nigga gotstabbed.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Over women.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, early in his career too.
I mean, I think he was probablyan all-star by then.
He probably made one, but likeyeah, but you can just tell that
that's who that nigga is.
He likes to have a good time.
He likes strippers, alcoholprobably some blow in there
somewhere Wouldn't surprise mehe likes pot too.
Yeah, so I mean, he's a niggajust like KG.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
And you know what, though they weren't really ever
put on the forefront in the NBAlike that, to where they had to
act super corporate Cause, eventhough Kate, even though KG was
the MVP, like household, theface of the league.
Yeah, he was never the face ofthe league and because of how he

(25:56):
played basketball, hisintensity, you would never ask
KG to be corporate, like it wassocially acceptable for him to
act like he did.
Because you remember, when theytried him out on TNT he had the
curse button where he wouldjust press the button while he
cussed some people out, becauseyou know that's what comes with
KG.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah that, and then, not to be funny, he's also.
I feel like in the earlier daysof the NBA, of course the tall
guys were kind of marketed asthe face, almost like how Andre
the Giant, like how bigger guysin wrestling are pushed to be
the face of wrestling.
I feel like that changed in theNBA once Magic and Bird came

(26:41):
along to where the tallest guyjust just was no longer.
I mean you could say maybe Shaq, but I don't even feel like
Shaq was just the face of theleague.
I never felt like he was theface of the league he was.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
If they had social media back then, he probably
would have had the mostfollowers he, you know, I can
tell you what, I almost alludehis popularity to.
How, like with rap, how, afterthat biggie pop thing, once the
west coast, east coast thingdied, there wasn't truly like a
face of rap, right from like 98to like I don't think some

(27:17):
people don't think it was jay-z,but I don't feel I don't feel
comfortable having thatconversation because I was too
young but I'm just saying therewouldn't have been, there wasn't
really a crown post those guysdone.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
That's why DMX, Eminem, Jay-Z, like they're kind
of just all grouped togetheruntil you get to Lil Wayne,
right, Like that's what it feltlike.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I got you.
I just can't comfortablycontribute to that because I was
just too young.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I guess, I just guess I'm looking at it from that
lens.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
No, I think you are.
That's a great example.
You're making a great point andI probably would agree with it
in a private conversation.
But because I wasn't outsideAlthough, like I know, like I've
listened to the albums, I likewhat I like, you like what you
like, and we can kind of likerack and stack and listen to

(28:09):
what other people say but weknow that there are Atlanta
artists who don't get talkedabout outside of Atlanta, who
are highly respected in theAtlanta reign of hip-hop.
Right right, like you takesomebody like rocco even though

(28:31):
he had like some commercial hits, niggas was waiting on a rocco
mixtape to drop where back whenhe was a rapper.
Right now I'm not saying he'sface of atl Atlanta, but if
you're not here, you're notoutside.
I don't think you could reallyyou could really speak to some
of the more nuances of likepower vacuums and stuff like

(28:54):
that, because sometimes a niggahad a street and you could say,
nah, that nigga's the face, butlike you had to be there.
So I don't know, maybe I juststepped on it.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
That's fair.
That's fair, I mean, I see whatyou're saying, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
All right, let's get this show some structure.
We're 30 minutes in.
Do we want to go March Madness,nba or NFL all season?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I see we might as well go.
You said it first.
Anyways, march Madness, becausenow March is over.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Yeah, it is over.
I mean the practice is busted.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
I didn't finish mine.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Well, my national champion is still in it.
I took Houston to win it all,but of course you know they've
got the toughest matchup Becauseright now it looks like Duke's
going to win.
To me they're the team that'skind of been handedly beating
teams.
If you really have watched thegame.
They've been beating the shitout of everybody they've played
and so it looks like they'redestined.
Then Cooper Flagg can fall inthe footsteps of guys like Melo.

(29:58):
I know Melo obviously didn't gonumber one or number two for
that matter, but guys thatbasically were freshmen that did
it.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Anthony Davis.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, he falls in line with the long list of
those guys that actually can doit.
At least, that appears whatthey're going to do.
I think Houston's going to be atough out, though, because
they're such a good defensiveteam and Kelvin Sampson, you
know he's probably hungry to getone.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, I want him to get one.
I mean, maybe not this year,because I'm a Duke fan.
But oh, I thought you were aTennessee volunteer fan.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Well, they're eliminated.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Well, yeah, I support my alma mater, but I've been a
lifelong Duke fan.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah.
Houston beat the dog shit outof them too.
But yeah, it was.
I mean talk about suffocatingdefense.
I think Tennessee had like 14points in the first half.
It was nuts.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Oh yeah, no.
When I looked at the score athalftime I said I'm not turning
this on, they ain't got a shot.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, 14.
That's a man.
It was crazy just watching itbecause I was like damn, they
really can't get nothing Likethey had a good year.
So you know.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I mean Elite Eight is nothing to thumb your nose at.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't scoff at that.
But then on the other side ofthe bracket you get Auburn and
Florida.
So you get an SEC championshiprematch.
Auburn, who was kind of, forthe most part, a majority of the
year, the best team.
They tail it off at the end.
But then they heat back up inthe tournament.
They got Johnny Broom, who'sgoing to be, you know, regular
Armando Baycott, a guy that'snot going to get drafted but for

(31:37):
whatever reason he's going tobe the guy that everybody knows
that played at Auburn.
And then Florida.
They've got Clayton Jr.
That guy is I don't know ifyou've seen any of it he's the
fucking truth.
Oh yeah, he's been killing it,that dude's nasty.
I don't see how like I don'tknow where he's at on the draft
board.
He'll probably be like a latefirst-round pick type player,
that motherfucker.

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He can put the ball in the holeand he's got confidence too,
and that's kind of why I likeFlorida to beat Auburn?
Because of him.
I think that he is the X Factorin that game.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Well, I'll tell you, if Auburn doesn't do it this
year, they're going to be inprime position to do it next
year.
And moving forward, because Isaw today on Instagram did not
verify that come June they willbecome a Nike school.
Ah, give Bruce Pearl Nikesinstead of them.
Clunky ass.
Steph Currys Got something.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, maybe it'll be a return to greatness in
football too, huh.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I mean I don't know.
Probably I mean I would send aplayer there on NCAA now,
because I sent a guy, I made aguy, we went to Auburn and I
forgot they were Under Armourand I saw those terrible cleats
and I said we're hitting aportal.

(32:58):
Next year, buddy, I'll bedamned.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
But you know we're talking about Cooper Flagg and I
pointed out Anthony Davis forkind of a specific reason.
Cooper Flagg has received a lotof hype, he's played some good
basketball but, and you know,some have said he's going to be
the best dookie since Grant Hill, so Not.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Christian Laettner.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Best Duke pro prospect.
Sorry, Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Elm Brown went number one.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I'm just telling you what the people are saying.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Zion, huh, zion, just Continue, continue.
I'm sorry, I'm just saying, butwhen?
Huh, zion, just just justContinue, continue.
I'm sorry, I'm just saying, butwhen I think of prospect.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I'm trying to open it up for you to just respond in
totality.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I'll shut the fuck up .

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Get the words right out of my brain, yeah.
But yeah, they're saying he'sthe best pro prospect since
Grant Hill.
Some are like ranking like thenumber one overall picks from
like the last 20 years andthey're ranking him like third,
ranking him above Dwight Howardas a prospect.
Right, and I sit and thinkabout it and I watch and I've

(34:21):
watched a couple games by CooperFlagg and he's been a dominant
high school player, dominant onthe AAU circuit, dominant at
Duke.
But I think he's lucky if he'sAnthony Davis.
I don't see the hustle.

(34:43):
I see the IQ he can shoot tothree.
I don't see I see the hustle.
I see the IQ he can shoot thethree.
I don't see enough off thedribble consistently.
That I think works at the nextlevel.
And Colin Cowherd maybe saidone of the worst things he's
ever said in his life.
He compared him to Jason Tatum.
They played nothing alike andhonestly I think Palo is a

(35:13):
better NBA player than CooperFlagg.
I'd rather have.
I don't think Cooper Flagg canbe your number one scoring
option on the championship team.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
That's fair.
I guess it depends on thesituation.
Again, I mean, that's what'sgoing to dictate to me.
That always dictates a guy'sfuture right.
And look, we can do the wholewhat ifs right Like.
If you look at a guy likeLaMelo, imagine if he went to

(35:51):
Golden State.
How does that change his careertrajectory?
The talent clearly was alwaysgoing to be there, but what type
of player would he be today?
Would Clay have been goneearlier?
Would they have gotten thingsfor Clay earlier, as opposed to
just letting him walk Like itchanges the trajectory of the
league wherever you get draftedhold on, but lamello is lamello.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
He, he's a, he's a one-name guy.
If you go up to the kids and saywho is mellow, they're gonna
say lamello ball which is crazy,but uh guy we're going to talk
about shortly, first ballot Hallof Famer, has not only lost the
opportunity to get his jerseyretired where he started his

(36:33):
career, but he's also lost hisnickname Nuts.
We're talking about an all-NBAguy, a top 75 guy, a guy who,
when he stopped playingbasketball, led United States
men's team in Olympic scoring anational champion, a scoring
champion, a guy Kobe said wasthe toughest guard, was his

(36:57):
toughest guard.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
He's and talking about Cooper Flagg, like have
you seen a part of CooperFlagg's game?
Like watch a Cooper Flagg.
Have you ever seen him dosomething where it's like you
know what, I need a bucket.
And you think Cooper can justgo get a bucket?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I don't think his bag is like that, but it's hard to
always do that.
Within the context of collegeball, too, because of how
college basketball is played asopposed to the NBA.
I think the talent is there,like you can see the things he
can do, even in that bubble, andI just think it's interesting

(37:41):
how, like the projection thatthey put I think I might have
sent this to you or you couldhave sent it to me, but they
were like Kawhi Leonard,basically Prime Kawhi Leonard
was like the comparison, and Idon't know if I see that,
because I don't think he's asstrong of a defender as Kawhi.
I don't think he's a bucketlike Kawhi.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Kawhi is a fucking bucket.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, he's a ball player, and I don't know.
It's always interesting whenyou start comparing players to
players, because no one is alikeand everybody just wants to
have this, that's not like whothe hell was lebron james
compared to coming out?

Speaker 1 (38:19):
it wasn't really mad, it was wrong lebron?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
exactly, there was nobody there.
There was no LeBron yet.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
LeBron is once in a lifetime, but they're trying to
put Cooper on that level and Ithink they're only doing it.
Well, you know why I thinkthey're doing it.
I'm not going to say it outloud, but he has not shown, I
have not seen, one part of hisgame that says that is once in a
lifetime.
Like, yeah, he has nice sizepaws, right, he has nice

(38:50):
athleticism, he has a motor, hecan shoot Like he can catch and
shoot.
That's crazy too, right.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Boy, you are on a roll, but none of that is Butter
you up because you're on a roll.
Old and one t-shirt Loved it.
Sorry, I just when I said thatI Natural instinct.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
But I haven't seen anything that says this is not
duplicable.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Okay, maybe so.
But you know I go back to whatthey were saying about him on
that select team over the summerand KD and them seemed pretty
fucking impressed, right.
Like considering think about it.
He hadn't even played a collegegame, and didn't he reclassify?

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
So he really could be a senior in high school this
year yeah but he reclassified tohis correct age group.
I don't usually get involved.
I think this At the end of theday, it'll be interesting to see

(40:00):
where he goes, because if hegoes, to the Hornets obviously
LaMelo's traded, don't knowwhere he could possibly go.
Maybe the Clippers Keep Lomelo,fuck it.
I don't think it's going towork, because that's the type of
guy.
In a weird way he's a.
He's the type of guy that needsthe ball in his hands.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
So, Lomelo.
Yeah, cooper doesn't.
I think, Cooper, if you put theball in Cooper's hands, I don't
think you get the best versionof Cooper Flagg putting the ball
in his hands, even if he hasgood numbers.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
But I'm just yeah, See, I see him pairing well with
Miles Bridges, though.
Like I can see the pairingthere helping right, because
they kind of play the sameposition a little bit, because
what Cooper?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
flags 6'9".
That's what they say We'll seeat the combine, because you
don't know until the combine.
You won't know until he getshis NBA height, because he'll be
barefoot and we'll get his realheight.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yeah, I just, if he goes there, I don't think it
works.
The best situation for himreally would actually be Detroit
, not Detroit DC.
Philly, I don't think you thinkthey're not going.
I tell you I don't put anythingpast Adam Silver.

(41:19):
We know how Adam Silver worksand we know what type of person
Adam Silver is.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I mean Braun made it very clear that the ping pong
balls, you know this ain'trandom.
I mean shit.
Cleveland had three number onepicks.
After LeBron left had a fourpick.
Mm-hmm, you know, think aboutit.

(41:48):
Cleveland's had four firstoverall picks in 20 years.
If you really cut it off atwhen they drafted Andrew Wiggins
, it was what?
15 years, 16 years, yeah, 12years, 2003 to 2015?
2014 draft?
Excuse me, four number onepicks.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
They're a lucky team.
Remember, dan Gilbert's son wasthe lucky charm for all those.
I think he passed away actually, but, like you know, he was
their lucky charm.
Some guys do have all the luckin the world.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Gilbert Arena said LeBron was playing in the
Cavaliers practice facility as asenior in high school.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, so what's it to him?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
You know that was an interesting takeaway from the
McAfee thing that nobody talkedabout.
We're in NBA now.
We're done talking aboutcollege basketball because we
don't really care about itprediction though.
Duke.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Florida, duke Auburn.
Duke Auburn then Duke, okay,I'm going to take a stab at
Houston, just because I alreadypredicted it Houston, florida,
houston.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Fair.
Okay, we're done with college.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
But LeBron said he didn't leave Akron until he went
to Miami Real quick, onlybecause it just popped up
Giannis first player in NBAhistory with a 35, 15, and 20.
He had 20 assists, holy shit.
So he had 35, 15 boards and 20assists.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
You know, nowadays everybody want to talk like they
got something to say, but thenit comes out when they move
their lips just a bunch ofgibberish.
Motherfuckers act like theyforgot about Drake, that's all.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I'm going against him in fantasy basketball on the
championship too.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Giannis is putting up MVP numbers and no one even
knows.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
What about the late?
Fuck you three.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I mean when he hits it, he hits it.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Hopefully it's a couple tonight against Steph
Curry.
By the way, for anybody who'strying to anticipate a
Lakers-Warriors first-roundmatchup not going to happen, why
do you think that?
Why would Adam Silver lose outon getting LeBron and Steph in
the second round against eachother when he can have them in

(44:29):
the first round?
And they carry the fuckingWestern Conference ratings?
We don't want them to cut.
We don't want.
If we could make them meet inthe Western Conference finals
and it's guaranteed.
That's what we want.
But if we got to make a meet,we want it in the second round.
We don't want it first roundBecause ain't nobody watching

(44:49):
OKC, Houston bro.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
What's wrong with OKC Houston?

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Dre don't even want to watch OKC Houston.
Maybe you think she's trying togo to OKC for the away game, or
is she going to be like?
Nah, jalen, I got the babytonight.
I'll just see when you get back.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I think that he knows what's best for business and
again we know who controls theNBA.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Are you saying who Kanye would say controls the NBA
, or are you just going to saywho we know?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Sure, I think it's one and the same, is it not?

Speaker 1 (45:38):
No, I don't think it's one and the same.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I think sometimes but the fucking ping pong balls,
huh.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, you
know.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Sure, I guess, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
And that's what they teach you like first day of
stats.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Look, Lee, I'm gonna let this alone, alright.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Did you see Josh shoot his gun at Buddy Hill?
Josh?

Speaker 2 (46:05):
and do.
Who Did you see him shoot hisgun at?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Buddy Hield, josh and do who Did you see him shoot
his gun at Buddy Hield?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
No, oh, josh, it's like you said, Josh, yeah, I saw
that.
Well, apparently Buddy sent himone too.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
The NBA did an investigation.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
And they should.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
And both guys were informed that that's not an
appropriate way to celebrate itisn't.
And then Ja had a little tweettalking about some Ja, this Ja
that, pretty much saying thatanytime Ja does something,
people pay attention to it.
At what point does Ja Morantlearn that he can't do what

(46:51):
everyone else does because hewas doing what everybody else
wasn't doing or he got caught,which means he's still doing
what they're not doing becausethey're not getting caught?

Speaker 2 (47:06):
He's a nigga.
Nigga and niggas don't learn.
Look, a hard head makes a softass.
Right, they're just going totake his money.
I mean, that's all it is.
It's just going to be one ofthese things where he's just
going to continue to lose money.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
He lost to Supermax already that's $50 million.
He lost His shoes, got hisJatus, got pushed back because
he wasn't playing.
He low-key, would have beenface of the league by now, would
have been him and Ant-Man goingat it.
But again, another nigga.
They just they got too muchnigga shit around them.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
And why do you think that is?

Speaker 1 (47:46):
mainly because of social media?
Uh, because I'm sure a lot of alot of other guys would be
would be getting the ant-mantreatment when it comes to the
baby mamas if, uh, social mediawas around.
Because why is tsr talkingabout ant-man paying all of his
child support up front and eventhe way they covered it, that's

(48:07):
him clearly saying he doesn'tcare about the mom or the child,
or he just gave his woman amillion dollars and she should
be able to go figure out how tomake it through life for the
next 18 years with a milliondollar advance that she doesn't
have to pay back.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
That's just how we logically look at it, Lee.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
You think she's going to be buying Birkins With her
girls?
Is she going to take that money, put it in a nice money market
account, give it to some goodinvestors, maybe buy some
property here or there and allowthat child support money to
grow into millions so that sheand her child are sustained for

(48:55):
the rest of their lives?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
If she's smart, she's going to actually she'll
probably do a little bit of oneand a lot of the other.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
And then find another basketball player.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah Well, she's got a little baby's kid too, right.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Oh, I don't, I get them all mixed up.
I think Ant-Man had like fourkids last year.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Duality she's getting it from both ways.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Little DP.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Well, hey, at this point, that's the way it goes
right.
Everybody is a lot of thatindustry in general, and I know
it's two separate ones, butthey're really one in the same a
lot of sharing going on, and soshe probably won't find a third
guy.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
That's, don't they all dreaded oh bow, wow, future
baby mama did exactly, and it'sall the same.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
You know industry and these guys.
They grow up like a guy, like auh green, right, he probably
grew up seeing dray on tvwatching basketball wives with
his mom watching basketball, oryou know, she was just always
the hot bitch on ig.
Anyways, once he got in thatposition to have that kind of

(50:18):
money, there was a.
There was an easier, direct wayfor him to get in contact.
He hit it once and he said oh,I gotta stay here, I gotta stay
here.
I can't, uh, I can't, leavehere.
This, this is home.
Now, this is home.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I mean being that he's in.
Houston, don't you like to becomfortable, I mean being that
he's in Houston.
That's probably for his best.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
He should be getting ready to come up on in a weird
way, just because that's the waythe NBA works.
He should be getting ready tocome up on that.
James Harden money.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
James was okay, James was okay, james was single.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
I know, but I'm just saying, you're saying the price
was the best that he got withDre.
I'm saying if he didn't he'd beokay in Houston, just like
James was.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
He's not James, though.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I know, but he's got the way that the money's going.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I'm not speaking financially.
I'm saying maybe he needs to belaser focused, with an older
queen at home to keep himfocused on the bag, so he's not
focused on all the other stuffand he's only cutting up when
he's on the road and he's comingback home, as opposed to
cutting up on the road and athome.
On the road and at home,because I tell you me, if I got

(51:41):
drafted to a city like Houston,knowing me and how I like to
live anyways, well, I probablywould have been a red flag
coming out of the draft becauseof my off the field activities.
Coming out of the draft becauseof my off the field activities.
I mean this guy parties fournights a week.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, hey, does he get his work done?
I mean, yeah, he gets his workdone.
Does he do it at a high level,is he functioning or is he just
getting it done?
Is he just getting it done oris he doing it at a high level?
Is he functioning or is he justgetting it done?
Is he just getting it done oris he doing it at a high level?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I like to say if I were a professional athlete, I'd
be closer to James Harden AllenIverson.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Does he have an arrest record?

Speaker 1 (52:25):
No, no no, we're not going to jail.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
All right.
Well then, does he look likehe's getting out of shape?
No, no, no no, no.
But I'm just saying these arethe questions.
If I'm some guy that's runningan organization and he's getting
his work done and he's doing itat a high level and he just
likes some ass and titties and alittle bit of alcohol here and

(52:49):
there, hey, let's just make surewe got that fall guy around.
Where's Keyshawn at Keyshawn nono, no.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Chris Carter, chris Carter, chris Carter.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Chris Carter, chris Carter, chris, get us in touch
with the guys that you know thatcan get us the fall guy,
because if anything goes down,as long as he's okay, he's not
driving when he's partying.
These guys should never bedriving in reality.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I don't know how pro athletes drive period so I've
been told I don't know if it'strue, but like I've heard that I
think in the NFL it may be inall these pro leagues like the
teams typically have drivingservices for these guys.
Well look.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Kirby Smart needs to get with the program and I know
we're not on Kirby Smart needsto get with the program.
I know we're not on football,but he needs to hit them niggas
up.
They got enough money in Athenstoo, to get that shit done.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Have you heard Kirby and David Pollak's comments
about it?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Were they recent.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
No, I haven't heard it.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Essentially they're like what can we do?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
You can do that.
You can get a fucking drivingservice for the guys.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
These kids get this money, they get these fast cars
and they get on that Athens loopout there and they just go wide
open.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Kick them off the team.
Go ahead, have that meeting andsay, hey guys, look, this is my
Uber account.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
It's linked to everybody's account.
Use it.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
You kick Jalen Carter off the team, so be it.
You kicked Jalen Carter off theteam, so be it.
Hell, randy Moss got kicked offNotre Dame.
Randy Moss got kicked off WestVirginia.
Right, he got kicked off Miami.
He got kicked off Florida State.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
He got kicked off because of some shit that
happened back home.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, I know I'm not saying the reason, I'm just
saying in general.
They kicked off an amazingtalent.
Then Notre Dame did the same,found his way at Marshall at the
Heisman ceremony.
Probably could have got draftedhigher than even where he got
drafted Superstar rookie year.
The rest is history.
They can learn from that shit,especially if you care about the
kid and not just the talent foryour team.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Do you think Kirby cares about the kids?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I think that he genuinely kind of does Like I
feel like he does, and that'swhy he's able to hold it
somewhat together, and then whenthese guys get to the league,
they're really crashing out.
Same thing with the Alabamaguys.
I think that there is a sensein them that does care.
I don't think that they don'treally give a like.

(55:17):
A guy like Dan Mullins strikesme as somebody that doesn't give
a fuck.
Like there's certain guysthat's just like.
No, it's all about winning.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
What about Dan Mullins?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Lane Kiffin, that's another one I know.
He don't give a fuck, he caresabout getting them.
He got to get the Ws.
Look it give a fuck, he caresabout getting them.
He got to get the W's.
And look, it's not a Kirbyproblem, it's a UGA problem,
because Steve Spurrier famouslysaid this when South Carolina
would typically play them inweek two but then they switched
it at some point.

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He was like damn, we reallylike playing UGA in week two
because you can always count onthere to be some guys missing.
There's going to be guyssuspended, and he knew that.
So it's a Georgia problem.
I don't think it's the coach'sproblem.
It's a Georgia problem, it'sbeen a problem.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
But not to sidetrack too much.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Hold on, hold on, but have you been to Athens?

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Yeah, I've been to Athens multiple times.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Imagine being a football player in Athens with a
wad of cash in your pocket andyou know you're going to the
league.
Could you see how one couldfind themselves in certain
situations at times?

Speaker 2 (56:28):
If I was 18, 19, 20, and I'm at UGA and I've got a
ton of money, and I'm honestlylooking at this from my
perspective of how I would havethought things through.
If I had some money, if I knewI was legitimately about to be a
top pick, I would have held myshit together until I got to the

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league, or I would have had itto where man hoes.
They got to come to me Likethey coming to me, fuck me going
out.
They're coming to me Likeeverybody's coming to me.
They're coming to me, goddammitMe, goddammit.

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They're coming to me, to me.
That's what we're doing.
Matter of fact, somebody hadtold me Todd Gurley used to be
fucking waxing ass in thatfucking dorm room duh but I'm
just saying think about it andmaybe because he was injured- I

(57:36):
ran into Todd Gurley at a bardowntown Athens yeah, and it
doesn't mean you can't go outlike that ain't the issue.
But how often are you going outlike these guys, man, with that
kind of money I'm living off.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
I just want you to know you cap is fucked.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I'm not capping.
If I know I'm going to be a toppick, it's one thing if you
want to be springy, hold on, letme see if I can get Julian
Turner on the phone.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
He's in Mexico.
Oh yeah, you're in Mexico.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
What's up, man?
Hey, listen to Pierce tell youthis.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Listen to this from Pierce and I want you to tell me
if he's telling the truth.
We're on the show.
Hey Pierce, let's do this again.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Tell him you got to introduce what it is that you
said.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
We're talking about the players at UGA and how they
just keep getting in trouble.
It's been a thing for years,Pre-Kirby right Niggas in
Georgia just get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Hey, nascar team races huh.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Now listen to what Parley Pete says he would do if
he were a student athlete at UGA.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
If you're a student athlete at UGA and you play if
you know you're going to theleague.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
No, you said you, you personalized.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, I know, but this is what I'm saying.
If I'm in that position at 18,19, 20, and I know I'm going to
be a top pick first, second, 20,and I know I'm going to be a
top pick first, second, third,fourth round pick, bro, I'm
telling everybody we're comingto the crib.
I'm not fucking just going outat that point, especially if
you've got that kind of money atthat age.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
You're not just fucking going out like that Do
you believe this guy is somebodywho was?

Speaker 3 (59:31):
in college with him.
He's full of shit.
He's full of shit.
He's full of shit.
Alright, he's full of living,blatant bullshit, and it's not
because.
It's not because I don'tbelieve what he's saying, but
he's not putting himself back inthe shoes of a young athlete, a
young college kid, and withmoney and status and hope.

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The entire point of that is tobe out in the between and to
feel the love in the crowd andthe back of the hand and to glow
in your own self-image.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Right, julian, think about it.
He had the townhouse right, butthat escalate was moving on the
weekends, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Hey boy, the whole union, mr, need it.
Mr Hoppins.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
All right, look, this is not about what I was doing
in college.
This is about what you would doif you went to UGA and you're a
top pick and you know it'scoming.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
No, what we're saying is, money aside, the I'm a
child, psychology and mindsetwill overpower the money.
It just makes it even sometimesworse.
We can say that now that grownadults with money in our pockets
saying, hey, this is the wayyou can move with maturity.
There's a lot of that going onaround and we didn't even have

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money.
We moved around because wehave't even have money.
We moved around and didn't goto do because we got privilege,
whatever it is.
But imagine us with nil bills.
Imagine with us.
Imagine if you got fivethousand dollars a week, that's
you think about what we haven'tdone.
Now, time jack, times ten.
Imagine if you were top pickand your NIL deal is worth $5

(01:01:13):
million and you're getting paid$25,000 a month.
There is no being in fact.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
This is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
We would be a fucking minimum.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Thank you, Mr Turner.
Enjoy Mexico because I hearmusic in the background.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Well, I hope you actually see't have to pay for
anything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
All right, dog, all right, mr Turner.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Yeah, bro.
Well, there you have it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Guys, I'm full of shit.
I got to cut the malarkey.
It's basically what everybodyis trying to say to me.
I don't know, maybe you takethe Caleb Williams approach and
you get the penthouse and thehoes are coming to you.
I mean, you're going to be seen, no doubt.
I'm not saying you would nevergo out, but I'm just saying,
when it comes to, like, thepartying aspect of it, how often

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are you going out if you knowyou're a top pick For one?
You don't want to fucking die.
Let's start there, like I mean,anything could happen.
There'll be a nigga to try youup.
You're on tmz the next day youcould you whip somebody's ass or
get your ass beat one way oranother.
It happens.
Now what?
Like it's just more unwantedstuff.
I'm not saying that I would nothave gone out.
I'm saying I'm not going outthe way these niggas are and

(01:02:28):
clearly their problem ain't barfights and shit, it's it's
driving, bro, like it's speedingin Athens, not Atlanta, in
Athens, where, where, where yougot this history of literally
players from UGA that it happens.
It feels like almost everymonth at this point, sometimes
twice a month, somebody's died,like all this shit has happened

(01:02:51):
and niggas are still doing itlike they're still doing it.
I just, I just feel like yougot to learn from past mistakes
of other people, and I know that, uh, experiences, it can be the
best teacher for many, right,your experience, but I just I
don't know.
But then again, you know what.
You're also talking to somebodythat's been charged with 3D UI,

(01:03:13):
so clearly you know, and two ofthose well, only one of them
happened in college, butregardless, maybe I'm not the
best spokesperson for thisbecause of that alone, but
nobody would know thatinformation unless I share it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
I was trying to lead us there without saying that,
which is why I was calling mycat.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
It is what it is.
I wasn't convicted.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Clearly I didn't do anything wrong.
That's cat, that is cat.
I obviously did do somethingwrong, but hey, police got to do
a better job.
They did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
We're so far from the NBA.
I don't even know how to like,I don't even know how to circle
this.
Where do we go from here?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
uh, here let's do this just real quick with the
nba, because what we got onlyabout a week left of the n NBA
season.
Let's take a look at thestandings real quick and just
quickly go through what webelieve will probably be that
field as of today and we're justgonna cut it off.
We're not, I'm not gonna havethe playing teams, we're just
gonna say who's in.
So the Cavs play the Hawks.

(01:04:27):
We're looking at probably asweep the Hawks could get.
They might get one probablygoing to get swept.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
They beat them twice this year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah, that was with Jalen Johnson, though they don't
have Jalen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
They're probably going to get.
They'll give them twotough-fought games here and they
won't win either of them, butthey'll be tough-fought games
but they'll get swept.
Celtics Magic underrated seriesin terms of the Magic bringing
toughness, especially if Tatumis still out.
Nobody's even talking about thefact that he's injured.
I don't know how severe hisankle injury is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Well, they don't talk about Jason Tatum at all.
That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Yeah, and we'll get to that too.
But let's just say that'sprobably a five-game series.
The Magic will get one, theydefinitely get one, especially
if he's hurt.
Then next it looks like it'llbe.
It could be Bucs, but it'llprobably be Knicks-Pistons.
I think that'll be a greatseries.
I could see it going six, but Imean, obviously I'm going to

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take the Knicks here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Detroit and six baby.
Nah give me the Knicks and thenprobably the most entertaining
series Bucs-Pacers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
With the assumption that Dame is back, I'm going to
say Bucks and Seven.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Sure Celtics have the Eastern Conference Finals
Celtics.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, I'm with you there.
It'll be the Celtics back.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I'm not going to watch much Eastern Conference
first round.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah, but then it gets real juicy here.
So, as of right now, this ishow it's set up Thunder 1C,
grizzlies 8.
I think, well, grizzlies are 8?
Yeah, they're the 8.
Right now I'm looking at it,it's a tie between the Warriors,
timberwolves, clippers,grizzlies they all have the same

(01:06:13):
amount of wins.
But just as of today, we've gotto look at it today Grizzlies,
thunder, thunder man.
As crazy as it sounds the waythat the Grizzlies have been
playing, they might get swept.
They'd probably get swept inthis series.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
I think some Grizzlies players have Checked
out.
Yeah yeah, I think that was anorganizational decision to get
rid of the coach, notnecessarily player-fueled.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yeah, because they and again we're not going to get
into the play-in, but theymight not win, so I mean, but
either way, let's just say thatthey're in.
I think they get swept by theThunder.
What says you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Yeah, sweep.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Okay, Rockets Clippers.
Give me the Clippers in six.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I like the Clippers in six.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Clippers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah, Lakers Timberwolves.
Lakers in six.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Yeah, I don't, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yeah, I think that Lakers I don't know if we'll get
that Lakers-Timberwolvesmatchup, I think we'll get some
moving around, but yeah, no, Ithink Lakers in six Ant-Man
Ant-Man will have a 40-piece andthey just won't have anything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Yeah, and then you get Nuggets-Warriors.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Seven-game series, no doubt, but I still like the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Nuggets Warriors Seven game series, no doubt, but
I still like the Nuggets, Ilike the Warriors.
And then what WesternConference let's see the Thunder
would play the winner of that?
See, to me it doesn't matterwho the Thunder play in the
second round, if it is theWarriors or the Nuggets they're
gone.
Yeah, I think that both of thoseteams can definitely be,
because all they have to do isstill one and so.
But the Thunder, I mean theThunder have looked.
They really have looked greatLike.

(01:07:56):
They look fucking fantastic.
If you just watch them.
It's weird because there's somany guys on that team that
nobody knows and they're allreally solid players.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Yeah, but I just think it's going to look a
little bit different in theplayoffs.
I don't know if Shea has earnedthe playoff whistle yet from
the referees.
I don't know if those roleplayers are actually going to
show up and do what they'reexpected to do on a
night-to-night basis and don'tget me wrong like they play
great team basketball.

(01:08:26):
But what happens once they makeShea uncomfortable?
Is Jalen Williams really goingto come in here and do what?
Is he going to pick up theslack?
Is he going to play out of hismind one day?

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
No, and it just sets up for KD to be in Oklahoma City
next year.
But and then you would get aLakers-Clippers, which would be
real testy.
I think that's a seven-gameseries.
I like the Lakers, obviously,but I think that would go seven.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I think that's a seven-game series.
I like the Lakers, obviously,but I think that would go seven.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
I don't like that series.
I want them on the oppositeside of the bracket, so you want
them to fall into the four sothey get the thunder in the
second round.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yeah, because here's what I think.
I think the four best teams inthe Western Conference playoffs
are the Lakers, the Clippers theWarriors and the Nuggets, so
disrespectful to the Thunder.
Yeah, that's fine, I'm going todisrespect them and you know
what?
We can probably clip this upand run it back at the end of

(01:09:27):
the season and I'll be wrong.
But you know me, you got toshow me first.
Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
John Moran did it again tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
So he's trope.
What did you say about it?
He's just a nigga, he just yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
But literally.
Legion Hoops just put this upon Twitter and it's definitely
the Memphis-Miami score at thebottom.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
And the thing is, you know you're going to get
clipped up and aggregated.
And that's my problem with Ja,when Ja tries to play this whole
victim role, hey, do I thinkthey went over the top for the
IG Live video?
Yes, do I think, like?
But Ja, you try to play therole of a victim but you're

(01:10:13):
trolling the league that paysyou and they've already shown
you that if you don't play ball,you will suffer.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
But, like you said, they've checked out already too,
but I really don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
But I guess maybe Jai's just like fuck it.
I'm richer than I ever thoughtI would be in life and I've got
myself set up that if I neverplay basketball in the NBA again
, hold on, I'm good no matterwhat.
But why not be able to be abillionaire doing what you love?
And just stop being a fuckingidiot.
Like, why the fuck would you dothat shit again when the league

(01:10:49):
told you not to do it?
That's stupid.
That's just spitting in yourboss's face.
And these niggas think thatbecause, oh well, I'm the player
, I'm this and I'm that.
Guess what?
Until you cut the checks, youdon't make the rules.
Hey, people, people who alwayscomplain about being
uncomfortable, not liking howyou're being treated and don't

(01:11:09):
get me wrong, there's a, there'sa difference between
discrimination and and you justneeding to follow the goddamn
rules.
Right, okay, like, let's notget crazy here, but when you
don't cut the checks, you don'tmake the rules.
And if you don't make the rules, fall in line or and shut the
fuck up, just like a woman whodon't pay bills in the house

(01:11:33):
saying ooh, I think we shouldrenovate.
Well, who the fuck paying forit?
You got some renovate money, no?

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Well we ain't renovating right now.
These are great questions toask.
But top comment I was watchingwith my kids and I literally had
to turn.
Now this person's trolling,obviously.
And I literally had to turn.
Now this person's trolling,obviously.
And I literally had to turn myTV off.
My 4-year-old son was askingwhat that gesture meant.
I seriously didn't know what totell him.
I'm literally shaking andcrying in anger.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
How can Adam Silver allow this to happen under his
watch?
Now, mind you, I don't thinkthe NBA should really care about
Jai doing the celebration,because it's a celebration that
a lot of people do and it's verypopular, but because Ja did it
and Draymond did some realsuck-ass shit.
Talking to the referee, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like you was complaining aboutwhat Vando did to you, yeah, you
did that same suck-a-shit.

(01:12:27):
I don't think this is a bigdeal, but because the NBA has
said it's a big deal, it's a bigdeal.
But because the NBA has saidit's a big deal, it's a big deal
.
Kind of like Crown Forum.
Right, Crown Forum does nothelp you.
There's very little to help yougraduate from college.
You don't fucking need it.
But Morehouse said you would doCrown Forum this many semesters

(01:12:48):
to graduate or you will make itup.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
With community services.
That's what they made us do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
We had to write a paper that nobody did.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Honestly, the community service wasn't even
that bad.
It sucked because the Hawkswere playing the Wizards in the
playoffs at that time the PaulPierce series when he made that
shot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
That didn't count.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
No, I think that was the one that did no.
You know he did it in theseries before where it did.
But yes, that series the yearthat the 61 Hawks team that got
swept by LeBron with no KevinLove and one game, Kyrie, it's
just nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Have you listened to Jeff Teague talk about that
series?

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
He never beat him in his career.
How crazy is that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
But he said, teague said an all-star.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
He never beat him in his career.
How crazy is that In theplayoffs.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
But he said but Teague said at All-Star.
Lebron said, hey, I done,figured y'all out.
Teague was like, yeah, whatever, nigga.
And what he figured out waswe're going to get Jeff Teague
on LeBron in the pick and roll.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Nothing you can do about it, but they didn't have
DeMar and Carroll wasn'tstopping LeBron.
It didn't fucking matter whowas guarding LeBron.
Al Horford it doesn't fuckingmatter, you get no Peril Antique
, whoever the fuck they had atthe time, kent Bazemore nigga,
it didn't fucking matter who youthrew at him, they didn't have
an answer.
That was the issue.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Well, that's what, yeah, I mean, because even
before that team, the otheryears, joe was supposed to be
the LeBron counter.
No, not enough.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
He offensively wasn't going to be able to keep up and
Joe's a bucket right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Which we had this conversation and we just never
brought it to air.
Joe Johnson, do you retire toofor the Hawks?
I think he was a five- or asix-time All-Star as a Hawk.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
I will retire it if he agrees to do ambassador stuff
for the team, but if he's notgoing to play ball, no.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
How about Al Horford?
Probably can't now with him,unfortunately, but he's like a
four-time All-Star as a Hulk.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
The question would be what does Al go into the Hall
of Fame as?

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Oh, a Celtic.
No doubt he's just going to goin, as Because he's going to get
in, he definitely gets in withthe Florida stuff too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
He's definitely in.
So, gets in with the Floridastuff too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
He's definitely in.
He probably goes in as a Celtic, not because he won the title
there either.
I feel like he just fucked withbeing a Celtic more than he did
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Well, if he wants to go in as a Celtic, you ask them
to put your jersey in theRaptors, which they won't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
So no, but how sad is that.
That would mean that over thelast 20 years, trey will
probably definitely get his.
As long as he's here, anotherfive years he'll just get it
because he's Trey Young.
But if you look at the last 20years yeah, basically since
Dikembe Mutombo got traded forTheo Ratliff that would mean
that the Hawks have had noplayers worthy of having a

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jersey retired.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
And if you look at the way the team has played over
the last 20 years, you wouldsay this team doesn't.
No players deserve to get theirjersey retired Now.
Think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
I mean, the Hawks have never won anything though
ever, so that doesn't.
I'm just saying that wouldn'tbe the reason.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Yeah, but I also think between Dominique honestly
, because Dikembe Mutombo, alittle bit different defensive
guy, shot blocks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Ambassador for the league.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, legendary stick man, he's
in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
But he lived here too , and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Well, yeah, because he's a legendary stick man.
But he and Rudy Gobert, they'rekind of the same kind of player
who get, who are going to getremembered amongst.
I don't know if Rudy Gobert,they might retire in Utah just
because he may not get hisjersey retired, but I'm just

(01:16:47):
saying the type of players, thatthey are same type of player,
right, never going to be in bestin the league conversation or
best not even best at theirposition.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
To Kim A, to me I know what you're saying but,
like to me, it's not justbecause of the ambassador stuff.
I just feel like center wassuch a weak position at the time
when he was playing.
Anyways, shaq was the onlyVlade Divac.
He started talking about VladeDivac as like the third best
center in the league, maybesecond period.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
You know, Pat, he playedagainst Pat, he played against.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
I'm talking about that.
I'm talking 98 to 2004,.
Like that era.
I'm not because even then PatEwan was on, like when the
Knicks went to the finals in 99,shortened season.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Yeah, he wasn't there .
Pat Ewing, yeah he wasn'treally.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
He was hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
No, he was on the Knicks I know I mean he wasn't,
like they're playing, not thathe wasn't on the team.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
But the point David Robinson's on the back end of
his career.
Yeah, but the point I'm makingis is they were never like
premier players, just because oftheir style.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
It's because the center position was so weak?
No, no, no, because their gamewas not a fun game to watch.
The Kimbae Mutombo did not havean offensive game, correct, I
don't give a fuck if center isweak or strong.
Bro, like nigga, your skill setain't what we want to watch,
but there were no.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
This is what I'm saying.
There weren't any centers,really, that had that skill set
dog.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
It doesn't matter how many it could be zero centers,
he was still not that.
He was never the best center.
He was never the best like likedog.
Niggas didn't grow up wantingto be the Kimbae Mutombo bro.
Nobody grows up wanting to beRudy Gobert, unless it's his
little cousin.
So the point that I'm making isfor the Hawks, from Dominique
to Trae Young, there hasn't beena person in the conversation

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for best at their position inthe league since.
So none of these niggas shouldget their jerseys retired.
Don't give a fuck.
If you were a good Hulk, youweren't a great NBA player.
So if you're not a great NBAplayer, you shouldn't get your
fucking jersey retired.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
But that's not how it works, Like you know that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
No, because teams want to retire players' jerseys
so they can hang around theprogram and they can use them as
ambassadors and all that shitand have some jerseys up in the
rafters because it looks cool.
But Joe Johnson shouldn't havehis fucking jersey retired.
That nigga didn't do shit.
A couple of All-Stars Did hemake?
All-nba in Atlanta?
He made a third team one year.
Okay, he made one third team.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
That's not get your jersey retired.
I mean, I'm with you on thebasis of overall.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
But this isn't a Hall of Fame, exactly, but this
isn't a Hall of Fame, but he'snot an all-time Hulk who's like
Matt Ryan All-time Falcon To me.
He's not a Hall of Famer To me.
Don't push back.
Don't push back because that'snot what we're here for.
But he gets his fucking jerseyretired and Ring of Honor guy.
You know what I mean Because hewas the face of the Falcons.

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He was the MVP, a top-tenquarterback throughout, from
like year three until goddamntwo years before he went to the
Colts.
Right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Ja made a buzzer beater against the Heat to win
tonight too.
But Joe Johnson back to himjust real quick.
Seven years in Atlanta I'msorry, eight years in Atlanta,
six All-Star appearances.
I feel like that warrants hisjersey to get retired, I do.
He's a six-time All-Star withthe Hawks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Did he get out of the second round?

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
No, he never did I mean.
But I blame that failure on the.
That's an organizationalfailure too.
He was never going to be thebest player on a team to do that
Like he was.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
He wasn't going to be that, then why the fuck did you
get your jersey retired?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Because of what he did do for the Hawks.
There was stability.
Think about how trash the Hawkswere before he got there.
Think about that.
Think about how bad they were.
They were so bad that JasonTerry, sharif, abdul-rahim team
bro.
Those were bad teams.
Dan Dickow, lon Kruger, terryStotts this is what the Atlanta
Spirit ownership, billy Knight,gm.

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Think about the missed picks.
Kruger, terry Stotts this iswhat the Atlanta Spirit
ownership is Billy Knight, gm.
Like.
Think about the missed picks.
They could have built the teambetter.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Like that team could have been better for him.
I got you, but just because youdidn't have back-to-back shitty
girlfriends and then you get adecent girlfriend and she kind
of cool and all don't mean, youjust put a fucking ring on it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
You're more of the stance of moral victories are
for minor league coaches right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Yeah, bro, we're talking about nobody being able
to wear your number in thehistory of this franchise and
it's sitting up there.
And every time somebody comesin this arena whether it's for a
basketball game, a fucking tour, a concert they see your shit
up there.
Joe Johnson doing it at hisfucking high school, doing it at

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fucking Arkansas, but not inthe fucking NBA.
He wasn't that.
And I love Vaiso Joe.
I think he's great.
I think he could bust a lot ofniggas' ass today, like his
peers.
Can't fuck with him today, butGod damn it.
When it really mattered, yeah,you were top 24, top 30 in the

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league.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Lemon Pepper Lou.
We should get a Lemon PepperLou.
Retirement is what we should do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
No, and then like where I would say Vic should get
a lemon pepper, lou.
Retirement is what we should do.
And then like where I would sayVic should get his jersey
retired for the Falcons becauseof the cultural impact.
Again, it's not something thatI'm gonna like stand on a hill
and say retire his jersey, butit's cringy before Bijan to see
number 7, like when Youngway.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Youngway Coup.
That shit was cringy.
It's weird because you just youautomatically associate that
number with a player and there'snobody there's nothing anyone
can do, even with Bijan.
Bijan, I think, is going to begreat, but like it's still, even
with him wearing the number,it's just I'm going to always
look at it as Vic's numberbecause it is Vic's number.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
When you think of number seven in the black
community, I ain't even sayingfor the Falcons, number seven,
yes, vic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
I don't think it's Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
When you think of number seven for the Falcons in
sports.
Oh, mike Vic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Yeah, that goes to the cultural aspect.
That's a culture thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
But because of his cultural impact.
I could understand why theon-field didn't necessarily say
Jersey retired, but his impactin Atlanta, pulling the
franchise back up, giving thefranchise some competence for a
little while.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Putting us on TV yes, people actually wanting to
watch us on national TV gettingMonday, sunday and Thursday
night games before everybodystarted getting Thursday night
Because think about it.
Everybody didn't used to getThursday night either.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
No and remember probably not applicable to you
because you went to the games,but there was a time, if we
didn't sell out, we would getblacked out in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Mm-hmm.
No, I mean, I know about itthough.
Yeah, with Mike Vick ain't noblackout.
Yeah, no, they were alwaysgoing to be on Fox at 1 o'clock.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
I knew I was during football season.
We didn't go to eat afterchurch.
My mama would cook because wewere watching the Falcons.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Yeah, for sure, I see what you're saying in terms of
why Joe Johnson doesn't deserveit.
I get that His playrealistically wasn't great
enough to deserve beingmemorialized forever by a
franchise that he didn't winanything with, and even as an

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individual player he was a goodplayer, but he was never a great
player.
So you think that that'sreserved for only if even if you
don't necessarily win an MVP orwin a Super Bowl or NBA Finals
or anything like that that isreserved for truly players that
were great during their time, orand even for him, he's not

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somebody that played his wholecareer there either.
So that is another layer thatyou can kind of add to it.
Dick will never get in,obviously because of the off the
field stuff.
That would be my thought.
He got his moment.
That last game, the lastregular season game at the
Georgia Dome, where they did lethim, they actually acknowledged
him, which is something theyweren't doing prior to that.
That was his moment for that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
And now he's on the intro video.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Yeah, he gets you know I don't.
Do they sell the jersey?
Is 7 being sold at the stadium?
I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know because I've neverbought a jersey in the stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
It's weird to buy a jersey in the stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
I got to get one for this upcoming season because now
I don't have any currentfucking players, so I might do
it at the draft party orsomething.
Are you going to the draftparty?
Hell yeah, I'm going.
I took Mariano Last year, meand Mari went.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
So I should go ahead and claim my ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.
It's an excuse to go out Forone.
We're going to be watchinganyway to a degree.
I mean I don't really you knowyou're not, but it's an excuse
to go out and drink and you'rearound other Falcons.
They actually do a great.
They had kid events, so likeMario got to, like they had
slides.
Yeah, you remember we recordedafter.
Yeah, yeah, and so it is great.

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I mean I enjoyed it.
They always do a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
And that gives me an excuse to go to 10.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Exactly yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
And I'm always looking for an excuse to go to
10.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
And we pick.
Where do we pick?
We're 15.
So you don't even have to getthere for the first pick.
You can hang out downtown.
We can get a steak dinner, thengo like early, like you know,
like the five o'clock, 5 30 typetea time, do that, and then
head in there and um, you knowsee what we end up doing.
It'd be fucked up if we tradedown.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
It depends on what we get and how we do it.
Hey, I wanted to Back to that.
Joe Johnson conversation Takesme to Carmelo Anthony.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
And him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Right, and him being a first ballot Hall of Famer
yeah, goes without saying.
I don't.
It's hardly a topic for meeryeah goes without saying, I
don't.
It's hardly a topic for me.
Like congrats to Carmelo, likegreat career, happy he got it, I
mean.
But when you're top 75, we knowyou're going to be a first
ballot Hall of Famer, which Iappreciated your response in the

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group text because that'sexactly why I sent it, to pretty
much say that you know no shit.
Yeah, pig is pork, ink is blackand pussy is pink.
Right, but does Melo get astatue or a jersey retirement,
and if so, oh, he definitelygets it with the Knicks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
They're going to do it just because, culturally, if
anything, think about how theKnicks were.
The Knicks do it just because,culturally, if anything, think
about how the Knicks were, theKnicks were really.
Think about it, bro.
There was a point in time whenthe Knicks weren't even on TV.
The Knicks, like you, had theexpiring old Allen Houston type
contracts.
Freewell was already gone.
You had Starberry.
That was like their sellingpoint with Stephon Marbury and,

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like them, niggas were alwaysass.
They had overpaid players andthey weren't winning anything.
They didn't win shit.
They didn't go to the playoffs.
He's going to get it.
Just because of that.
It kind of, in a weird way,sets up this Knicks team.
Maybe to a degree, I don't knowhe's going to get it there.
By the way, seven I don't thinkof Carmelo either.

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No, in New York, I feel likeeven if you ask a nigga whose
first player comes to your mindyou think of seven, they should
say Mike Diggs, not CarmeloAnthony.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Because Melo is 15 to me.
I really hate that they did notcheck milkage, maybe because of
how he left and I really hatethat they did not.
And maybe because of how heleft Denver, they didn't retire
the jersey.
But you know, you usually don'tlet niggas wear it, right, you

(01:29:27):
know?
Because I think, no, never mind, I'll take that back, but yeah,
and then Joker gets it and heends up being a better player,
so he's going to get the statue.
He brought the championship, hehas the three, hopefully four,

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mvps at the end of the seasonand he gets the stuff that Mello
probably would have gotten fromthe Nuggets simply if Jokic
wore 14.
Because before Jokic they hadmade a deep run.

(01:30:11):
Before Mello, he had Denver onTV, he had niggas all over the
country wearing Denver jerseysand wearing them head and
getting the headbands.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, like Melo madeDenver a thing.
Like niggas played on live withDenver because of Melo.
He was on cover yeah.
Melo, flalo and them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Nene.
Nene some years Birdman Birdman, before he was with the Heat.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Yeah, birdman, birdman, you had some Chauncey
Billups.
You had JR Smith, andre Miller,Andre Miller, ai, marcus Camby.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
George Carl Eddie Nahara Right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Yeah, george Carl, that was the problem, because
you know he told Melo, I see youbeing dead left.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Yeah, but you know what, they should retire it.
But the issue obviously is theJokic thing.
I think that you can retire thenumber and make it dual in a
weird way.
I mean it's hard to do itbecause Jokic is literally one

(01:31:21):
of the.
Even if he didn't play anothergame of basketball, he goes down
top 15 all time.
Today Melo's not higher thanhim on the.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
No, Melo's not higher than him.
On the Mello's not higher thanhim.
But I don't necessarily thinkthe way that basketball media is
constructed today, Joker wouldnecessarily be top 15.
I agree that he probably shouldbe top 15, but I don't know if

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think about it Jokic or Shaq.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Today I'm going to be honest man.
I think I lean Jokic.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
I should say Jokic, and I'd only say Shaq, because
I'm being Stephen A Smith withLeBron James.
You know what I mean Becauseit's my generation.
Yeah, but Jokic has three MVPs.
Jokic hasn't played withanother all-star, another all,

(01:32:31):
really nothing.
And don't get me wrong.
That does not mean he's notplaying with high level players,
because there are someall-stars, multi-time all-stars,
who aren't better than jamalmurray, but it's just the way
the cookie crumbles sometimes,right, uh, but he hasn't played
with players who have realaccolades and bro.

(01:32:55):
This nigga is and this may takeus into the MVP conversation
but he's really 30, 12, and 10and top 10 in the league in four
out of five major statisticalcategories, while also shooting
at a high clip.
Like nigga just had 60, 10, and10.
I get that it was a doubleovertime game, but he had a 60

(01:33:20):
ball triple dub never happenedbefore like we thought to James
Harden, you know what I'm saying50 triple dub was crazy.
You gotta understand.
A 60 point triple double islike my player.
Like we talked to James Harden,you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
50 triple-doubles, crazy, like you don't understand
.
A 60-point triple-double islike my player's stats.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Didn't he have a 20-20-20 game this year,
something like that?

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
yeah, it was Hold on.
I'm about to see.
Yeah, it was.
He had 30-, 22, 21.
Get the fuck out of here.
When people look back at Jokic20 years from now, they're going
to look at it the same wayniggas were looking at how we
look at Wilt Chamberlain'snumbers.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Yes, like who was it?
Somebody I was listening to wassaying bro, this nigga's Wilt
it looks different, but he'sWill.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
In today's NBA he is.
That's the point.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
It's like he shouldn't be doing that as a
center and if we're being honestWill was in the GOAT
conversation until MJ, and thenMJ was the first GOAT, with the
marketing campaign behind himbeing the GOAT, which is why I
think he's actually the GOAT andsits the way he does, above

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everybody.
Uh, just wait for these oldniggas to to, to die or stop, or
stop talk, stop talking to amicrophone.
But like what yogich is doingis absolutely nuts.
Like I listen to teague themsay this niggas like low-key
having like the best season everhe's averaging 30, 13, 10, two

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steals in a block.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Oh, and he doesn't average over two threes made in
a game.
He's under two.
He averages under two, threemade, three the game in.
In a league we're shooting thethree like this.
That is the nba now and he'sdoing it without the three ball.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Hey, let's stay here for a second right, because this
is just all over the place.
Potter, right, the NBA ismoving towards the three, right,
because of just theirstatistical data and all that
stuff.
Analytics right, theirstatistical data, all that stuff
, analytics right.
But outside of the Celtics, whohappen to have a lot of good

(01:35:38):
fucking shooters, like theirteam is built to shoot the
threes the way that they do.
Cleveland is not a three-pointshooting team.
Nope, they score.
Denver isn't a three-pointshooting team.

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Okc is not a three-pointshooting team.
The Lakers play their best whenthey're shooting threes, but
they're not a great three-pointshooting team.
The best teams and the bestplayers aren't doing all the
three shit.
And even if you look at yourpeak golden state warriors teams

(01:36:20):
, they weren't shooting nearlyas many threes as the teams are
today.
But if you look at like pointsper game I don't want to get
into points per possession, butpoints per game they're not
dramatically higher.
So, yes, the three gives youthe opportunity to score more

(01:36:43):
points, but that shit don'tactually win and work.
It doesn't.
The Warriors were an anomaly.
Boston, they can score at allthree levels.
Yes, they shoot a lot of threes, but when Jason Tatum decides
to be good.
He can score from anywhere onthe floor.
When Jalen Brown decides to puthis head down and go right, you

(01:37:05):
can't fucking stop him.
Yeah, the best players in theleague, the best team like Kevin
Durant, fuck it.
You know why the Suns suck?
Because their three bestplayers score out of the
mid-range and it's just too muchoverlap.
If they replaced one of thosethree it doesn't matter which

(01:37:28):
one with a three-point shooter,they'd be good.
With a three-point shooter,they'd be good.
It's just too much.
It's just if everybody's tryingto work here, then nobody can
work here.
Yeah, they're just a terriblyput-together team.
Yes, but Kevin Durant and DevinBooker what can't?

(01:37:48):
He average like 27,.
Books around 25?
They're not getting it out.
They're not relying on thethree to get their buckets,
giannis, he's averaging 30.
Nigga shoots less than a threea game.
Brunson shoots a lot of threes,but Brunson gets to the cup.

(01:38:09):
He shoots to middie.
Kyrie gets to the cup, shootsto middie.
Steph floater middie.
Like DeMar DeRozan, over 20,000points shoots to middie.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
He stepped his three-point output up a little
bit more this year.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
But yeah, I give him yes overall.
But like if you look at ESPN orlook at your fantasy app
playing basketball and you seethat DeMar went for 35, you're
not shocked.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Walking bucket.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
So I'm just saying all of this to say I don't even
know how I got here, but thethree is important, but if the
wrong person is taking the three, it's not a good shot.
If you're open more times thannot, you're open for a reason.
Sorry, thanks for letting merant.

(01:39:06):
They don't let me rant on theVillage Vets.
They just start talking over me.
I'm going to start cuttingtheir mics when I do rants on
that pod.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Yeah, but you don't think it'll pick it up on your
end too.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
I can turn down the sensitivity a little bit so that
it's just on me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
That's what that top-notch fucking equipment will
do for you.
Anyways, again, that's whatthat top-notch fucking equipment
will do for you.
Um, anyways again, and we'vekind of we went from jersey
retirements to this to mellowback to, just back to that to
close that out.
Yes, I think jersey getsretired in new york.
They should maybe do it indenver, but they going to wait

(01:39:52):
until Jokic's career is over.
They're not going to do thatshit while he's still playing
and that could go on for another.
What?
8, maybe even 9 years possibly,who knows?

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
they have to retire Jokic's first, don't they?

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
that's what I'm saying.
It would be weird.
They probably can't, the more Ithink about it, they're not
going to retire Carmelo's numberit's going to be retired as
Jokic and maybe Melo getshonored.
Possibly he didn't.
For what it's worth, melo ain'twinning shit there, so I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
But here's the difference between Melo not
winning shit there and like aJoe Johnson not winning shit for
Atlanta.
He's a top 75 player.
Multiple time all NBA playershould have been rookie of the
year.
He had a better rec.
He got to the playoffs in atougher conference and had

(01:40:42):
better numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
His numbers were better than LeBron.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Yeah, and I don't know, Melo's supposed to have
his jersey retired in Denver andNew York, right, Like if we're
just talking about who Carmelowas and we watched his entire
career, right you go.
Yeah, Melo should get hisjersey tired in New York and
Denver.
Just saying it out loud right,yeah.

(01:41:08):
Okay, okay, okay.
Hopefully Mello can parlay hispodcasting into like a job with
Amazon or NBC, because I thinkhe needs to be our generation's
Charles Barkley and not thathe's the same type of

(01:41:31):
personality.
But he needs to constantly beon the national stage talking
basketball so that the properresearch is done on him.
They can show little blooperhighlights here and there, talk
about his game, have a championshit on him.
Like Melo needs to stay inbasketball conversations because

(01:41:55):
as I've gotten older I don'tspeak on previous generations as
much anymore, because I see howmuch the media shapes, how we
can view players that we didn'twatch.
But if Melo like disappearsinto the abyss, he's not going
to be talked about properly.
You know, karl Malone isn'tspoken about properly because

(01:42:20):
he's not around, or so I thinkbased on his accolades and stats
, he's not spoken about like heshould as highly as he should be
right.
Kareemem Abdul-Jabbar has a verystrong case for being the GOAT,
but he's in nobody's loud GOATconversation.
Tim Duncan has a GOAT case.

(01:42:41):
He doesn't touch thatconversation.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Best power forward.
I can't give a best player ever.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
I wouldn't call him best player ever, because I
watched his career and when Iwatched it, I never thought he
was better at basketball thanShaq, I don't care what the
accolades say.
I don't think he was better atbasketball than Kobe, I don't
care what the accolades say.
Tim Duncan you talk aboutsomebody who fell into something
perfect.
He fell into a playoff team, a50-win team.

(01:43:12):
Tim Duncan was never on a badteam.
He never had bad players aroundhim.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
That's true.
I don't think the Spurs nevermissed a playoff with him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
No, they didn't start missing the playoffs until like
the end of DeMar and LaMarcusAldridge, because Kawhi and
Aldridge won 66.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
You think Aldridge for one.
You think he gets in the Hallof Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Then two do the Blazers retire his number?

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Hopefully no to both okay he probably gets into the
hall like I'm not going to pullit up, keep going, but I don't
know, I don't retire.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
The only blazer who gets their jersey retired from
me watching is Dame seven timeall star.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
He made four of those in Portland.
I'm sorry.
He made, yeah, four in Portland.
He made three.
All he's a five-time all-NBAplayer.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
He.
Let's see College-wise, he'sgot a DPOY first team Big 12.
Texas didn't win.
He was pretty good at Texas,though.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Yeah, no, I wish he could have came back for his
sophomore year.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
So when I look at his statistics and his averages and
stuff, he really is Chris Bosh.
I mean, that's what the numberssay.
The numbers say he's Chris Bosh.
He's a 19-8 averager.
That's basically Chris Bosh forhis career.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Chris Bosh.
But Chris Bosh is a heedle.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
And that's the difference.
And sometimes that's thedifference, it's where you do it
.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
He's basically Chris Bosh.
They're about damn near thesame fucking player.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
Hey, thinking of Chris Bosh, that nonsense that
Stephen A Smith said wow, Icalled him Stephen A Smith
saying that Melo was supposed tobe in the Chris Bosh role.
Which cool.
But if they would have had Melothey would have won four rings
in those four years.
And I go.
I don't think so.

(01:45:34):
I mean maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
Check this out real quick while you're saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
Only because.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
I had to pull up Bosh just to make sure.
Numbers are literally the same.
They're 19-8 and two assists.
Their numbers are actuallycrazy.
Numbers are the same.
Obviously he's got the twochips.
He's only made one All-NBA teamhis entire career, but he's an
11-time All-Star to his seven.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
So let's think about All-NBA in Chris Bosh's career.
He came in in 03.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
He's All--NBA second team in 07.
So basically the year not theyear before, but the height of
probably right before they gavehim whatever max he got with the
Raptors.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
When Toronto started getting some TV games.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
But think about this.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Fuck.
He's also an Olympic goldmedalist, and LaMarcus isn't.
He was never on the Olympicteam.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
So LaMarcus came in the league in what 07, 08?

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
06.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
06.
So they're only three yearsapart and Aldridge has five
All-NBAs and Bosh has one.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Yeah, only one.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
And Aldridge played more years than Bosh.
I mean Bosh had the injurything.

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
Yeah, the blood clot yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
I think you have to put Lamarcus.
He probably gets in, justbecause of how the NBA Hall of
Fame works.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
It's Basketball Hall of Fame.
If Bosh gets in, Lamarcus hasto get in because Lamarcus and
what he can control, Lamarcushad a better career.
All NBAs mean something to me.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Well, and I look at it this way, it's the same thing
with the All-Star selections ina sense.
Look at the guys who don'tstart in the All-Star game but
are constant fixtures.
People forget in the early2000s, like that mid-early 2000s
Dirk and Steve Nash.
Those were guys.
They were never starters in theAll-Star game in those years.
They weren't starters until,basically until Steve left.

(01:47:57):
Steve left, he becomes astarter because he's winning
MVPs.
Dirk wins an MVP.
It's weird how it worked outfor them statistically and for
their legacies not being on thesame team, even though they will
always be a great.
What if?
Because you would think, hey,they're a perfect tandem.
Really, two white guys thataren't white.

(01:48:20):
Well, they're white but they'renot.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
American Two not American white guys who came
into a predominantly blackleague in a country that they
are less familiar with and theybought in with each other and
they end up being great andthey're in the argument for top
five in their position.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Correct.
And then they're in Dallas andthey had maybe the most colorful
owner in NBA history, uniquesituation, and obviously Dallas
ended up getting their ringfinally.
But that's a great what if?
But?
Point being, you look at that,you look at that era, those were
guys that were stacking up,all-stars always being reserved,

(01:48:58):
paul pierce being another one,because for as long as sorry to
cut you off, but think, thinkingback to this, LaMarcus and Bosh
shit.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
Bosh's extra all-stars make a lot of sense
because he was in the East hisentire career, when if LaMarcus
had a good year it was good, butLaMarcus was still like Tim
Duncan was still alive.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Dirk Nowitzki was still a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
He dealt with a year or two of KG in the West.
Then you start thinking aboutthe small forwards.
You got T-Mac, you know what Imean.
You got golly, who were othersmall forwards in the 2000s in
the West.
You got Amari, you got SeanMarion.

(01:49:53):
I'm just thinking of forwards,right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
So I'm looking at I typed in the 2006 NBA All-Star
just so I could see who was onthe teams.
So yeah, when you look at just06, because this is just a good
little midpoint so in the Westyou start talking about Duncan
McGrady or your startingforwards, but then on the bench
it's KG, Sean Marion, DirkNowitzki, Elton Brand, so that's

(01:50:23):
kind of just giving anindicator for that.
Then, when you look at the East, you got Jermaine O'Neal, who I
guess was 06.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
Jermaine O'Neal, who I guess was 06 Jermaine O'Neal
was like that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
Yeah, you got him.
Chris Bosh, paul Pierce,rasheed Wallace, who you know,
but see, jersey would never getretired anywhere.
He's not a Hall of Famer,though, and so he would be great
in today's NBAba, of course,but I think receipt's problem
and he's, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
He said this and I truly believe it that he was a
team first guy and he wasn'tchasing buckets I can believe
that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
so then, even when you move it up a year, you go to
07, pretty much the same guy,same cast of characters in the
East.
Bosh actually starts this year.
Him, wade and LeBron allstarted with Gilbert and Shaq.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
Very interesting Wow that is so interesting because
you got the Heedles and then Giland Shaq and you know Gil and
Shaq's history too right?

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Yeah, Shawnee.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
No, not Shawnee.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Well, not the women, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Shaq he, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
But then when you go back to the West you get KG and
Tim starting again.
You forget how good this guywas with the Jazz.
Carlos Boozer, oh yeah, andDarren Williams.
They were kind of fixtures.
They were always a playoff team.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
Did Carroll make?

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
an all-star game?
Not in this year.
You know what's crazy?
I'm looking at this year 07.
Sean Marion made it again,which I guess you know.
The Matrix was kind of afixture too, but look at the
guys that got in.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Now.
A couple of these are injury inthe West.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Like Josh Howard, made the all-star team this year
.
Mevito Core made it with theJazz and Amari Stoudemire is
another player that we kind offorget how good he was with the
Suns because of the injuries,but that was another guy that
LaMarcus Aldridge would have todeal with in a sense, and this
is the Vegas All-Star game atthat.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
But with all of that, LaMarcus was still making all
NBAs.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
So look, and that's why I keep, I'm going year by
year, just so I can really see,well, who was making it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
Dirk again, boozer again.
Go to all NBAs.
Go to the all NBAs.
Think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
David West made a couple Like that's another West,
I'm just saying that's anotherWestern Conference player.
But David West had made a few.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
Check all NBA.
Check all NBA, check all NBA,because that's what I really
want to see.
The East was weak as fuck.
It was weak as fuck, but allNBA puts the whole league
together, and Aldridge, whichwe're probably spending way too
much time on an Aldridge-Boschconversation, but fuck it, we're
here, no it's worth it, butlike let's see those all NBAs.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
All right, hold it.
But like, let's see those allnbas, all right, hold on, I'm
scrolling, let me get to thaterror.
All right, so we'll start withuh, let's just start in like 05.
No, no, no, we'll start in 06.
So your all nba team in 06, 07is okay.
First team it's dirk tim, thenit's Dirk Tim, then it's wow.
Lebron was second team thatyear.
Lebron Bosh are the second team, then KG Mello are the third.

(01:53:56):
Okay, then you go 07, 08, BronKG, then Dirk Duncan, then
Boozer Pierce, so that's theyear that KG went to the Celtics
Yep, Then the next year, Bron,Dirk Pierce, Duncan Powell,
Mello.
So think about it.
So Powell was still beingconsidered, which I guess he was

(01:54:16):
a power forward.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
Yeah, he was always a power forward, right, well,
they kind of moved him to center.
But yeah, the Bynum thing, yeah, next year.
Then look at how thistransitions so quickly.
Next year, durant, right,exactly Durant.
Lebron Mello, dirk Powell, timso he was never.

(01:54:39):
The fact that he got five outof this is actually kind of wild
.
I guess, Dirk and Duncan arekind of.
This is the back end, though,too, for them.
They were still really good,but this is like the back
starting to be the back end.
Next year Durant, lebron Pau,dirk Aldridge, zach Randolph.
Next year.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
So think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
So basically I'm not even going to tell you first
team because literally everyyear it's going to be LeBron and
Durant.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
So we're going to just skip the first team every
year Then?

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
it's Love Griffin.
I forgot about K Love LoveGriffin, mello Dirk, then the
next year, mello Griffin, davidLee, paul George, then Griffin
Love, then George Aldridge, thenAldridge, then Aldridge Gasol,
griffin Duncan, then, okay, nowit finally changes.

(01:55:35):
So now it changes from the KDone, because, remember, kd would
get hurt too.
So actually the year beforethat that I'd already skipped,
it was Braun AD.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
Damn.
He did have the AD.
Yo what Aldridge did making allthese All-NBAs?
He did have the AD.
Yo what Aldridge did making allthese All-NBAs?
He's a fucking Hall of Famer.
There's no question about it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
And that's why I brought it up.
We're talking about retiredjerseys.
I'm like, well, lamarcusAldridge was such a good player.
Then you compare the stats, I'mlike, well, him and Chris Bosh
had the same numbers and Boshisn't making any of these teams,
you know.
And then and then like one morecause, then the next two years
it turns into this Kawhi LeBron.
The next two years is KawhiLeBron, then it's Katie Draymond

(01:56:19):
, Paul George Aldridge, thenKatie Giannis, Jimmy Draymond,
wow.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
That was DPOY Draymond.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Then it goes back to Katie, lebron Aldridge, giannis,
jimmy George.
Then this year, this is a yearwhere it's kind of different.
This is the Paul George MVPcase here.
He's first team with Giannis,then Katie Kawhi are the second
team, then Blake and LeBron arethird.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
Is that Blake in Detroit?

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Yeah, and this is LeBron's first year in LA.
He was third team Because hegot hurt.
That's like the first time hereally got hurt in his career.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
Yeah, he was there, bro.
Yeah, hey, shout out toLaMarcus Aldridge.
He deserves more respect on hisname and I'm really happy that
we unpacked this.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
Well, you were talking about how the players
that we've seen and that's why Isaid, well, is he a Hall of
Famer?
And I'm like I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
I remember him being five as fuck, because you know
like he got some 40 balls and 50balls on his name.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
Before he went to the Spurs he was a big fish.
That free agency, he was likethe big fish.
Everybody was like man, can weget LaMarcus Aldridge in LA?
Like people were trying to getLA Remember it was LA and LA is
how they were trying to pitchthat shit.
Because they missed out on Melo, because Melo took the money
and nobody's mad at Melo, hedidn't want to team up with Kobe
.
Understood, I didn't want towatch it, yeah, but you know you

(01:57:57):
wanted to get Kobe somebody.
At the end LeMarcus Aldridgewould have made a ton of sense,
big man, la Could have stillplayed with Kobe.
They would have been possibly aplayoff.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
I don't know they would have had to build that
team out.
No, the Niggas weren't tryingto play with Kobe, bro.
Too much pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
But it was the end of Kobe.
You know, that's why they gotguys like Timothy Mozgov, will
Dang and Jeremy Lin.
You know like those are theguys that they started to get
around.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
Too much pressure.
And Kobe wasn't the same, kobeit and Kobe wasn't the same Kobe
.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
It's like no, but how much better could Kobe have
been if he did have somebody totake the pressure, because he
was already not going to do itanyways.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
But would he allow?

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
He was still going to be but Kobe could have still
been a 23-a-night guy.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
How efficient With some, who knows?
I don't know, it's an olderKobe.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
This is an older Kobe .
The efficiency matters becauseif I need to get to my 25, 26,
but Kobe's going to get to his23 first, if Kobe ain't hitting,
Kobe's still shooting and ain'tnobody going to say nothing to
Kobe Because you can't, I mean,but you should be able to.

(01:59:09):
Ty Lue told LeBron to shut thefuck up.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
Because he played with Kobe and Shaq.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
So in culture, parlay Pete what has to Well if we're
getting to culture.
I think we're two hours in man.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
Yeah, well, I've got to be hey guys no NFL this week.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
Okay, we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
It's a slow week in the NFL.
There's nothing truly there,aside from Kirk Cousins, because
we missed last week.
Aside from Kirk Cousins yeah,let's at least hit this.
Aside from Kirk Cousins,because we missed last week.
Aside from Kirk Cousins yeah,let's at least hit this.
Aside from Kirk Cousins beingspotted at a Chipotle in fucking
Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Yeah, they're going to trade for Kirk Cousins
because they're not takingShadur anymore.
They're going to take AbdulCarter.
Got it?
Cool?
Just send over the three.
All right, let me play this foryou.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Not if Aaron Rod just fucking retires, they get
retired, still is gonna get.
They don't get frisky.
I don't know, I'm yourhuckleberry.

Speaker 4 (02:00:26):
Why, johnny Ringo, you look like somebody Just
walked over your grave.

Speaker 3 (02:00:35):
But it's not with you Holiday.
I beg to differ, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:00:39):
We started a game we never got to finish.
Play for blood, remember.

Speaker 3 (02:00:47):
I was just fooling about.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
I wasn't, and this time it's legal yeah for those
at home that don't know who thatclip was, that is uh, val

(02:01:14):
kilmer and his role as docholiday in the legendary,
arguably the greatest western ofall times, tombstone.
Uh, super famous line therewith the I'm your huckleberry.
That's a very, very famous linein cinema history.
But we kicked that off just topretty much give an RIP
shout-out to Val Kilmer,probably one of the more

(02:01:36):
underrated actors really of histime.
I thought always was a reallygood actor in a lot of the
movies, at least that I watched.
Obviously, he's pretty good inHeat, he's great in Tombstone I
don't know how he got robbed ifhe didn't win the academy award

(02:01:57):
for that, but he was great inthat.
Uh, many people remember him asice man and uh top gun.
And then, of course, uh, forour generation, anyone that
remembers the Batman movie,batman Forever he was Batman in
that movie, the one with TommyLee Jones and Jim Carrey as the
Riddler.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
RIP to Val Kilmer.
That Batman movie gets too muchhate, by the way.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
RIP to Val Kilmer.
So what else in culture do youwant to?

Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
talk about.
Well, we didn't get to do thepre-production to really start
doing our almost like we're at afucking Pokemon tournament and
start pulling our BBL cards onwho should have really been in
that BBL madness.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
I can't even know if I can do that, but I think we
did not give JT enough respect.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
Who did she face in that first round?
It was like she was like the 15.
I forgot who the two was.

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
But I just she popped up into my algorithm this week
and I was like oh man.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
That's nice, I might need to check out what you're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
Let's see, young Miami's mama looks alright too,
though no disrespect I don'tthink any could be taken.
Well, you just Never whenyou're talking about someone's
Mother.
So I just wanted to make sure Iwas speaking on her properly,
because we don't want to be rudehere because, again, it's

(02:03:36):
someone's mother.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
Well, this is a child-friendly program,
apparently.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
Fuck it ain't Okay.
Would you let your kid watchthe show?

Speaker 2 (02:03:48):
Uh, if I told her beforehand, yes Cause I'd button
it up.

Speaker 1 (02:03:56):
No, no, I'm just saying, would you just like?

Speaker 2 (02:03:58):
like watch a rerun.

Speaker 1 (02:03:59):
I just pull up the link on the on the iPad and just
say, hey, watch daddy on TV.
She wouldn't be interested, sobut you're not answering my
question.

Speaker 2 (02:04:10):
I'm not a cartoon character, but yeah, I would,
because she wouldn't listen.

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
Maybe you should run for office.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
I don't kiss enough babies.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
Let me see, I'm trying to find something here in
our conversations that wouldlend to culture.
I mean, we didn't really talkabout the big you, rico, but
that's not really our wheelhouse.
We don't really talk about thestreets nonsense.
Well, we're not West coastniggas anyway, so well, I guess

(02:04:49):
we should take some time to pay.
Uh uh homage to young scooter.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
Uh rest in peace oh, yeah, well, of course, yeah, rip
the scooter.
Uh, you know, obviously he wasnever the face of atlanta which
is fun because we were talkingabout the face of, even like
that but was always one of themore underground ish type of guy
that really only had his pophere because he didn't, you know

(02:05:14):
, colombia, I guess, becamesomewhat of a hit everywhere,
but he doesn't get the creditthat he deserves for being a
part of the fbg movement withfuture and rocco um, because in
a weird way if that's thepresident and the vice president
.

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
He was like third in command, yeah, so it's a shame
how that happened too yeah, andI'm not comfortable speaking on
it, on his cause of death andwhat I think because it's just

(02:05:52):
so conflicting and I talkedabout this on the other pot
Earlier this week Is that I justhope that In our black
community I'm just going to sayour community, but I got to make
sure people understandSpecifically I'm talking about
Is he ran out?

(02:06:12):
He ran out when the policeshowed up and and and made some
money, you know, legal,legitimate money To not feel

(02:06:40):
like they have to run out theback door when the police come.
They can just go to the doorand say, hey, officer, what can
I do for you?
You know, or or have the moneyto.
Well, if you have a feloniousamount of weed in here and we
smell weed, yeah, we're gonnalike plead this down and you're
gonna pay a couple of fines.
You know you're not gonna doany real time because you're not
committing like real crimes.
You know, and this may be toosoon, it may be disrespectful,

(02:07:04):
but him running out of the backdoor speaks to two problems.
It's the distrust of lawenforcement in the black
community, which iswell-deserved Now I'm not given
and also speaks to niggas notgiving up the streets when they

(02:07:28):
don't have to be in them anymore.
It's one thing to be young andgrow up in the streets, and
you're in the streets but youdon't know any better.
You've never had successelsewhere.
I could still say you shouldseek success elsewhere, but when
you've made legitimate moneyand you know better, let's do

(02:07:49):
better.
I'm pretty sure he has kids.
This is his 39th birthday.
His mother, father are probablystill alive.
You got people who care aboutyou and who are relying on you.
So let's try not to putourselves in these situations to
where we feel like we have todo that.

(02:08:10):
And I don't think it's wrong totell a 39-year-old man who had a
fucking hit, who made othersongs, that work could
definitely do the ChitlinCircuit tours to keep money in
his pocket and make legitimatemoney.
The call could have beenbullshit.

(02:08:32):
You may have cut your leg on afence, but whatever caused you
to run out of that back doorneeds to be a learning point for
other people who are in asimilar situation as you.
Nigga, don't run out the backdoor.

(02:08:52):
If the police knocked on mydoor right now, I'd be a little
paranoid because like why thefuck are y'all here?
But I know at the end of theday, there's nothing.
There's nothing that I'm doing,that's gonna.
That has me so afraid of thepolice that I'm not gonna
confront them.

Speaker 2 (02:09:08):
You know what I mean for sure, and again it goes back
to obviously, his situationgets highlighted in this, but at
the same time, you'reabsolutely right, we gotta, we
gotta get out of this mentalityum, the streets aren't cool,
that type of relationship thatit's had with a pd, or any pd

(02:09:32):
for that for that matter.
It shouldn't be that way.
And um, hate to sound like, uh,anyone's favorite politician,
but we got to get some policereform.
And so to where these things?
To where the neighborhood thatthere's not?
Any time a police shows up, itshouldn't be only for a negative
situation, like it can't justalways turn into this negative

(02:09:54):
situation Because this was sopreventable.
Obviously Not because of them.
I'm not blaming APD for this,I'm just saying I'm not blaming
them.

Speaker 1 (02:10:02):
Yet If they shot that nigga, I might blame them.

Speaker 2 (02:10:06):
Yeah, but they.
It's already been said thatthat's the case.
I know that King Slime actuallycame out and said that it was a
shot.
That's what he tweeted.
But he should be the last niggaon loan.
I just wouldn't be doinganything about it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:20):
We can talk about King Slime next, because he may
be headed back to Cobb CountyJail.

Speaker 2 (02:10:24):
Sex.
Well no, they already shut thatshit down though.

Speaker 1 (02:10:27):
Oh, they did.
Nah Sex Well no they alreadyshut that shit down, though.
Oh, they did no TMZ, I told youit was on.
But you know what?
I'm happy that the Atlanta DA'soffice, Fulton County DA's
office brought that to the judge, Because I think it needs to be
.
Let him know.
Hey, dog, we know we didn't geteverybody.
We know some of y'all beat it.
We know it's a lot of yourpeople walking around out here.

(02:10:50):
You're not going to try tocontrol YSL via Twitter or via X
.
You're not going to createproblems in the Atlanta streets
and more distrust with APD byyour tweets.
Shout out to Fannie Willis.
That was smart.
I don't care if it didn't work.

(02:11:11):
They probably knew it wasn'tgoing to work when they did it.
But it's just a hate thug wewatching.
But back to your preventablepiece.

Speaker 2 (02:11:18):
I'm sorry, I'm just over it all falls under the same
boat.
In general, it's just these,it's a culture, and we've got to
.
You can keep the.
We got to do better.
It's just.
All in all, everything has tobe done better.
Scooter for sure.

(02:11:40):
He had some of my favoritefeatures on a lot of these Gucci
man tapes more than anything,which is kind of crazy.
I know more of his collabs withGucci than Future.

Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
Well, because when Gucci signed him, it's really
when he turned up.
Because, Gucci was putting himon everything.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
Yeah, he's on that.
He's on some shooters in hishouse.
Yeah, that shit always goes forme.
My favorite might be the Juliowhen he.
I got the dirty birds callingme Julio.
I got the dirty birds callingme Julio.
That shit was timely too.
It was great.

Speaker 1 (02:12:14):
Yeah, it was the theme of the Super Bowl season.

Speaker 2 (02:12:18):
Yeah.
Made a million dollars due toArthur Blank.

Speaker 1 (02:12:26):
But you know what Parley Pete?
I really think that as a blackCommunity we have to Separate
ourselves From the criminalCommunity.
Right, I think that far Toomany law abiding Black citizens
Carry the a lot of the beliefsOf the streets because they're

(02:12:53):
not in the streets.
Right, it's like, hey, I don'ttalk to the police.
Well, that's fine, becauseyou're not a criminal, so it
doesn't really help you or hurtyou day to day by not talking
with the police.
But at the same time, when wetalk about some of the ways that

(02:13:13):
our communities are policed,our communities don't do a great
job of extending an olivebranch to law enforcement either
.
And I don't want to sound likea law enforcement apologist,
because I think if you'velistened to this pod for years,
you understand where I stand,like I'm not the most police,

(02:13:35):
like blue-friendly guy, likethey scare me.
But how can you expect policeto understand your neighborhood,
know your people, if you don'tinteract with them, if you
don't't talk to them, if youdon't give them pertinent
information when they need it?
Right, like if they're thekilling in the hood or in your

(02:14:00):
neighborhood not even in thehood, let's say in your
neighborhood and you get asked aquestion, they can cooperate
because, at the end of the day,the goal is to make your
neighborhood safer Like, and thepolice can't get to know the
people if the people don't openthemselves up.

(02:14:21):
Don't get me wrong, police, theburden is on the police because
they took the oath, so theyshould have to go the extra step
to properly protect and servetheir neighborhoods.
But, dog, if all you get ispushback from these people and
there's constant crime over hereand ain't nobody fucking with
you, you got niggas running outthe back door.

(02:14:43):
When you show up on a call, howwell can I police this
neighborhood?
How can I better police thisneighborhood if y'all can't help
me get to know you?
If you run like bro, a lot ofcops are just niggas doing their
job.
They get called on the radiohey, go here, here's what we've

(02:15:06):
been told is going on.
And they show up.
Yeah, there's a lot of badapples, but I don't know man.

Speaker 2 (02:15:18):
No, absolutely.
I mean, you're spot on with it.
We've got to do better.
Everybody, everybody's got todo better, but we've got to be
better.
Comply with police.
See what the issue is is thejustice system we know can be
unfair, but I would like tothink that there are more cops
out here that will look out foryou than that the ones that

(02:15:40):
aren't looking out for you.
when I say aren't looking outfor you, I mean purposely doing
shit to you.
I think that there's more outhere that genuinely you know
they're there because there's aconcern, something's going on,
but that can all be fixed ifthere's not really a concern.
And so you know, just got to bebetter and stop being criminals

(02:16:00):
Like pick up a trade, get a job, parley P.

Speaker 1 (02:16:09):
You know why we don't commit real crimes?
Why?
Because we have careers, wehave lives, we have people that
we care about and we havesomething to lose.

Speaker 2 (02:16:32):
I think the other thing with this is, too, is that
we've made it to seem likepoverty's cool.
Yeah, and it's not.
That's like the culture.

Speaker 1 (02:16:43):
Yeah, it's like you don't come from poverty.
If you didn't get it out themud, you're not a nigga, you
can't speak to the blackexperience.
And it's like like I was havinga conversation recently and we
were talking about you rememberwhen, like, inflation was was
crazy under biden right, thiswas before your situation,

(02:17:06):
because that's important forframing this conversation.
Yeah, I was like, yeah, me andmy college friends, we know that
there's inflation going on, butwe're hardly affected by it
because the entire locker roommakes six figures.
Right, it's like 10 niggas inthat group chat and everybody

(02:17:37):
makes six figures.
So it's like, ah, man, Iprobably shouldn't make this
weekend trip because I have beenspending more money on regular
shit, right, but I can stillmake this weekend trip and I can
.
I have been spending more moneyon regular shit, right, but I
can still make this weekend tripand I can.
I can, like, look at my budgetand see where I can cut this,
this, this and put the moneyright back and I'd be fine,

(02:17:59):
right?
I mean, or you know what, thisis a credit card trip, but the
credit cards paid off in twomonths and my life doesn't
change.
Like it's not the.
So nickel and diamond, right,but it's a black experience and
we're still niggas, but we justain't criminals who get it out
the mud.

(02:18:19):
It's like, no, we got it outthe book, right, we read, we
studied, we analyzed, we wrotepapers, we took tests and we
make clean, legitimate money andwe have an authentic black
experience that deserves respectand, honestly, should be the

(02:18:40):
standard of black experience.
Hip-hop, athletes, pop culturethat should not be the standard
black experience.
It should be people.
It's not experience, it shouldbe people.
It should be career people.
Because, dog, our network iscrazy.
We know street niggas, we knowcollege niggas.

(02:19:02):
We know college niggas.
We know like dog.
Think about how many justspecialized professionals we
have in our network.
Like if somebody just droppedin a group hey, looking for a
therapist, more than likelysomebody can say, oh, I know a
nigga.
And like somebody we went toschool with.

(02:19:22):
Or hey, I'm in so and so city,I'm looking for a church.
We know a pastor in like damnnear every major market.
Yeah, addie, some legal advice.
I can give you my man's number.
I don't know if it's your typeof law that you need, but he can
either help you, or he candirect you, he can point you in

(02:19:45):
the right direction.

Speaker 3 (02:19:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:19:47):
Oh, I need some logistics.
Oh well, we know some logistics, motherfucker, you know like we
.
Just our network is so crazyand I think that it's
unfortunate that again we're theoutcast right of black culture,
when we should be the standardof black culture, and I'm not
saying that because we're livingit.
But we didn't have to be sixfoot five or have great word

(02:20:12):
play and meet the right person,so to speak, to put ourselves in
the position to be in thepositions we're in.
Right, we were raised halfwaydecent and we went to a good
college.
A lot of niggas can get to agood college If they set the
goal of getting to a goodcollege and then figure it out

(02:20:34):
once they get there, you'll findyourself in a better situation
than a lot of like trying to bean entertainer, trying to be an
athlete.
And I'm not saying don't try todo those things because we're
on a podcast talking about it,but we could quit this podcast,
like right now, and never do itagain.

(02:20:55):
And our lives are changing Likewe don't need this.
We do this shit for fun andhopefully it allows us to change
.
So I mean, I think this is agreat place to close and I don't
like say what's like, you knowobviously respond to this, but I
just I'm just so passionateabout breaking away from

(02:21:17):
criminal black culture and andthe hood and that being
considered the black norm.
And you know we talked aboutthis shit before we started,
like the like how new yorkniggas just would talk so bad
about southern niggas.
And these are niggas who, whohave generations of
non-ownership niggas ain't neverseen a yard.

(02:21:37):
Niggas be happy to own a car.
A nigga is fly if he got hisown spot at 25, when in the
south, bro, niggas are gettingcars at 16.
Niggas grow up with front yards, with family owning the house
that they live in or owningproperty and small businesses.

(02:21:58):

Speaker 2 (02:22:00):
Yeah, it's ultimately again, it goes back to the one
key thing that realisticallystops it, and that's it's
economic power Poverty is realthat realistically stops it.
It's economic power.
Poverty is real and that's whatcreates a lot of that culture
and just situation andcircumstance.
To begin with, because if youlook at a white neighborhood,

(02:22:23):
obviously there are poor whitepeople too.
Most of the white people I knowthey all do pretty fucking well
Now, granted, I went to privateschool, but, like at the same
time, when I look at that, youdon't even know what the some of
these people do and it's likeeverybody's straight.
And so that's not the identityof white culture either I went.

Speaker 1 (02:22:41):
I went to public school and you know I did the
honors, ap classes.
Go to private college, military, all of that shit.
Right, yeah, three guys.
I went to elementary, middleand high school with Combined.
They didn't go to college fouryears.
One owns one of the biggestfence companies around here, one

(02:23:06):
owns one of the biggest roofingcompanies around here and
another one owns a large roofingcompany as well.
They're getting to a bag andthat's another issue.

Speaker 2 (02:23:17):
But the other issue is this is that everybody feels
like there's only three ways tomake money in our community.
Nobody again.
It goes back to the tradeschools, it goes back to health.
If it ain't about money becauseit might not be for some people
let's at least empower theneighborhoods.
We need more black maleteachers.

(02:23:38):
How many black male teachersdid you have growing up in grade
school?

Speaker 1 (02:23:44):
Zero.

Speaker 2 (02:23:47):
Right, that weren't gym teachers.

Speaker 1 (02:23:49):
I did not have a black male teacher until I got
to morehouse me neither.

Speaker 2 (02:23:55):
I literally didn't have one black male I take.
Well, he wasn't.
You know, in fifth grade, whenthey were kind of prepping you
for middle school, I switchedoff with the black teacher, mr
right, and he actually becamethe principal of the sixth grade
.
He's the sixth grade principalthe very next year, so so he
followed us over there.
Point being, even with somebodylike him, he wasn't even my
actual homeroom teacher.
I take that back too.

(02:24:17):
I had one in middle school.
Outside of that, I'm justsaying you're far between.

Speaker 1 (02:24:25):
I didn't have a black woman teacher, granted, I grew
up in Cartersville, so it'sreally it's like 70 percent.
Well, I'd have a white, a blackwoman teacher until the seventh
grade.

Speaker 2 (02:24:36):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:24:37):
And then after that I had one more, and she was my
marketing teacher in high school.
A shout out to Miss Suber, myfavorite teacher ever.

Speaker 2 (02:24:46):
Literally.
I had white pre-K inkindergarten because our school
was still kind of white.
Oh, I had a black pre-K teacheror kindergarten, I'm just
saying, going all the waythrough though, but like pre-K,
kindergarten, they were white,and then I didn't have my next
white teacher until I got toMount Vernon.

Speaker 1 (02:25:02):
You were in the Stevenson pipeline a little bit
different.

Speaker 2 (02:25:05):
I know, but I'm just simply saying but it was always
black women too, is all I'msaying.
Not enough, and that's why weneed to at least start.
And I hate to pull thisboys-in-the-hood-ass shit like
Cuba Gooding Jr's character'sdad, which was played by
Fishburn or whatever.
You need more of those type ofniggas in the neighborhood, and
you don't really have them, orat least you don't see them.
I don't know, but it doesn'tappear like it's either

(02:25:35):
effective or they're just notthere.
It's one or the other, and soeverybody's got to be a hustler.
Nobody can just get a trade orman it, even if you're working
at public's right uh, wayfieldfoods, wherever.
Why can't we start from baggingthe groceries to being the
assistant manager of the grocerystore?

Speaker 1 (02:25:45):
to the manager like, why take niggas who have no
certifiable intellect right andI say certifiable intellect as
in grades, degrees, shit likethat right that says, hey, you
know this?
Why niggas too good to workhard?
I see the money in construction, like some of these

(02:26:08):
subcontracts.
I write and I'm looking at howmuch money we're paying somebody
to offer one service.
And you, I see how much moneyit costs to do certain shit.
Bro, like this constructionshit has opened my eyes to so
much stuff because of how muchmoney we're spending on this
stuff.

(02:26:29):
And you see these smallcompanies that you sub the work
out to and you give them a$200,000 subcontract and they're
on site for three fucking days.
Yeah, I know they got materialsand overhead and all of that
stuff right.
But imagine you just get$200,000 of fucking income you

(02:26:49):
know what I'm saying For a weekof work and I get that's not
every week, but it's just likeshit.
But niggas don't want to doconstruction, they don't want to
be plumbers, like they thinkthat shit's not cool.
But the crazy thing is, bro, ifyou're the guy that's doing it

(02:27:10):
for a company, you get thecertifications.
You start doing handyman workon the side.
You could end up being ageneral contractor, you can
build up a nice company thatfucking lives off of
subcontracts all day.

Speaker 2 (02:27:23):
Like you can get back to what some people's
grandfathers did, right, ourgreat-grand-grandfathers.
They're the ones that built thefucking house.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (02:27:33):
The house that my mom lives in right now, her and my
grandmother.
My grandfather built that house.
My aunt and uncle who live infront of me my grandfather built
that house.
My aunt and uncle who live acouple houses down my
grandfather built that house.
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (02:27:49):
mean.

Speaker 1 (02:27:52):
Yeah, nigga went to Biloxi a lot.
You can't go to Biloxi withoutcash.
You can't keep going back ifyou ain't got cash either.
Yeah Well, you can't have aback if you, if you ain't got
cash.

Speaker 2 (02:28:09):
you know what I mean well, you can't have a good time
without it win or lose.
You can't have a good timewithout it, so that's what I,
that's what I come from.

Speaker 1 (02:28:21):
And again, if you can be a white collar guy your
entire life, never get yourhands dirty because you have the
skill set and you and you getthe right certifications,
degrees and everything to bethat, go for it.
But just because you have ablue collar, laborer may not
make a lot of money initiallybecause the barrier of entry is

(02:28:42):
low.
There's a lot of money in bluecollar labor as you move up and
you learn more.
You become more certified.
The VP of my fucking company isa guy who just worked in
construction forever.
He started operating a littlemachine, then he learned that.

(02:29:06):
Then he learned this.
He learned that.
He learned this.
He learned that Now he's thevice president of a large
general contractor in Atlantaand I don't know what he makes,
but he lives in Sandy Springs,he's a member of a country club
and he wears Brooks Brothers alot.

(02:29:27):
It's out there, man, everybodyclub and he wears Brooks
Brothers a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:29:33):
It's out there, man.
You need more sense of acommunity and more people that
will look out for each other.

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
Yeah, man, I think this is a great way to wrap this
show up.

Speaker 2 (02:29:47):
I have no qualms about it.

Speaker 1 (02:29:49):
It's just a great positive ending, you know, like
trying to empower the blackcommunity because we actually
care about that, unlike these.
I'm sorry I'm going again, butfuck it.
I just get tired of like thestreets being the voice of our
community.
And I get it, you mean like Lil.

Speaker 2 (02:30:06):
Durk right.
Isn't that his nickname?

Speaker 1 (02:30:08):
He's the boy right Get the fuck out of here, nigga.
You don't speak for me, I hopeyou're guilty.

Speaker 2 (02:30:16):
No, for real.
You can't hope that he's guilty.
You hope that justice is servedone way or another.

Speaker 1 (02:30:20):
No, I hope that he's guilty, I hope that he did it
and I hope that he goes toprison for it.

Speaker 2 (02:30:29):
If he did it and I hope that he goes to prison for
it If he did it.
No, but I'm saying I hope thatI don't want anyone to be
wrongfully no, no, no, I don'twant to be wrongfully.

Speaker 1 (02:30:36):
I'm saying I hope he's guilty, I hope he did it
and I hope he's convicted fordoing it.
Like I'm not saying I want dirt, free Dirt is a demon.

Speaker 2 (02:30:46):
It's not free dirt till it's backwards.

Speaker 1 (02:30:49):
No, it's only free to 10 till.
It's backwards.
But the problem is the niggasbehind the Shady Room, the
niggas behind all this hip-hopshit, the niggas behind all
these podcasts.
Bro, even a bitch-ass niggalike Academics right who is not

(02:31:11):
a street nigga still like has toplay ball with this street
culture and cover this streetculture and glorify this shit
Like nigga.
No, that shit is trash.
And stop running tonon-American black people to
talk about black culture.
Like, stop going to dj vlad,stop going to adam 22 academics,

(02:31:33):
all these, all these people whodon't really come from this.
Bro, that shit is bad.
We we got so much dumb blackmedia out here.
We ain't got regular middleclass niggas talking about black
life.
Whether whether we're talkingup or down, I mean you and I do
it.

Speaker 2 (02:31:52):
Yeah, but this is we don't make a living off this.
No, we don't.

Speaker 1 (02:31:57):
And people like us.
Again, I'm not saying itbecause it's us, I'm saying
people with similar backgrounds,niggas who relate to the normal
person.
I'm non-famous, non-groupie,except for like Kobe and LeBron
we get a little groupie-ish overthere.
You know it's okay To tell theblack story because we are

(02:32:20):
telling a more authentic blackstory than the guy who grew up
kicking in doors, rapping aboutit, slanging dope and then makes
it.

Speaker 4 (02:32:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:32:32):
No, that don't usually happen.
You usually go to prison or youdie Young.
I ain't never been shot atKnock on wood, but I don't be in
them places.
I don't go to themneighborhoods.
I don't be in them places.
I don't go to neighborhoods.

Speaker 2 (02:32:51):
I don't go to them clubs you don't even set
yourself up to be in the wrongplace at the wrong time rarely
now I've been to the Texaco onnorth side or the BP, whatever
it is now.
But that's on game day it'slight outside or the BP,
whatever it is now, but that'son game day.

(02:33:11):
It's light outside and plentyof traffic, yeah Well and heavy
police presence.
Who's directing the traffic,goddammit?
Plus, they got to make surethat the stadium is safe.
Don't want some guy coming inwith a bomb or something Right
and actually real quick, becauseI know we wanted to end it
perfectly on that, but this didjust pop up.

(02:33:33):
This is confirmed, Matt.

Speaker 3 (02:33:42):
Ryan will work with Michael Penix this offseason.

Speaker 1 (02:33:47):
We are all here to do what we have to do.
It's a great way to end the pod.

Speaker 2 (02:33:52):
I'm glad that we've got people that give a fuck
about winning the blackcommunity.
I'm not using Matt Ryan.
It could have been Michael Bick.
That's how the community needsto be, though.
Get back yeah especially if youwant to see us succeed.
And in that case the falconsMatt couldn't get it done.
He wants Pinnish to get it done, and you know what that whole
yeah Especially if you want tosee us succeed.

Speaker 1 (02:34:12):
And in that case the Falcon Matt couldn't get it done
.
He wants Pinnish to get it done.
And you know what that wholebullshit of the game is to be
sold, not told.
No, you can tell the game,because if you got the game and
you know how to play it, don'tmatter if you give it to
somebody else, because you'restill going to do you, you can
fucking tell it and sell it, butdon't act like you can't tell
it.
Yeah, tell it to your community.

(02:34:35):
Sell it to those who don't meanwell for you.

Speaker 2 (02:34:38):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:34:40):
I may call you in a second, because I feel like
there's regular life shit thatwe just haven't talked about.
Yeah, we haven't talked in a.
Yeah, we haven't talked in awhile actually.
Well, saturday, but yes, yes,we were distracted watching our
kids too, Because every time westart talking, one of our kids

(02:35:02):
is running off and doing kidstuff.

Speaker 2 (02:35:06):
Yeah, posting Snapchat that I didn't know
about.
I swear, I didn't know untilyou messaged me.

Speaker 1 (02:35:11):
I was like I don't know if it was while you were
there or before you got there,but Lo almost started running
towards the street.
I was watching her because wewere down in there.
I was like, okay, you're goingtowards the end, I can still see
you.
Then she just started walkingup the steps and like I take off
.
And I'm like okay, yeah, shoutout to the drunk parents who can

(02:35:35):
actually do that.
Drunk, I can't.
Yeah, it's, I mean theyshouldn't do that, but I'm just
saying credit to them to be ableto get through sitting up
drinking and then doing that,yeah, like.
I don't want to drink while I'mwatching my kid run around
amongst other kids and it's kidsfrom like 1 to fucking 12 yeah,

(02:36:02):
and that was kind of prettymuch kind of the well them kids
that were over there theyweren't 12.
There were no 12 year oldsaround us in general yeah
alright, dog, if you're in townthis weekend, let's get active.
If not, fuck you.

Speaker 2 (02:36:22):
Actually I need to give him a call, so actually I'm
about to hit him up right now.
Alright, salutations.

Speaker 1 (02:36:28):
Good people, great show Lee alright, I'll holla at
you out of here.

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