Ep 351 - Gotcha and Never Too Young To Die - Spy Kids and Teen Agents Part 2 - The After Movie Diner Podcast

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Good morning. I'd like to buya new hat, if you may.
You rotund yet eminently approachable fellow,that's a very nice one you've got on.
So, but you are mistaken.I'm not wearing a hat. Don't
be ridiculous. It's a lovely adeep forest green, a little bulbous and
flatby from my taste. But itlooks superb on you. I assure you.
I'm not wearing a hat. Ofit your way, but for me,

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you're look marvelous. Look in thatmirror, there see no hat,
no hat. I'm waving my handover the top of my head, and
as you can see, there isno hat. Sure, sir, sure
it'll be our little secret. Nosecret, nothing strange, just no hat.
That's why I a gentleman. Amhere a hat shop to purchase a

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hat. Oh well, now Ican see where the confusion lies. This
isn't a hat shop, not ahat shop. I am surrounded by hats.
I was recommended this place by mygood friend Alan, who said it's
sold lovely hats, and the shopis called La Boutique de chapeau, which
in French means the hat shop.Your friend Alan says he's playing a prank
on you, sir. This isno more a hat shop than I'm the

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Duchess of York, despite my childbaron hips and punch on for cream buns.
If you knew Alan, you'd knowhe was no prankster, no prankster.
Indeed, he doesn't even like tobuy slightly humorous greeting cards. And
one time, when increte with Earlyfor fef nibble, he barely cracked a
smile when he awoke one morning tofind Earlier died while masturbating in the broom
coboard. In fact, Alan wasquite disturbed and humbled by the whole affair.

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But enough about Alan, How doyou explain all these hats lying around?
And the name of the shop,which, if you've forgotten, is
Le Boutique de chapeau, which inFrench means the hat shop. Brexit.
I would like to speak to amanager. You are a ridiculous person and
I want to spend no more timein your presence. I am no manager,

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sir. Well, then I'd liketo speak to the owner. The
owner. Yes, that's right,the owner. Oh dear what, oh
dear, O dear, O,dear what? Well? The owner doesn't
like to be disturb sir. Heis an intensely private man. He's also
part horse. What are you blatheringabout part horse? It's true, sir.

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The owner of this shop, theBoutique de Chapeau, is a centaur.
Right, that's it. I'm leaving. I would, sir it looks
like rain. You know, Iwould have spent a lot of money on
hats in here that it would belovely if we were a hat shop.
But alas as I have been tryingto explain, we are not so just
out of interest? What do youthink you do here? Why? Almost

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everybody asked that, Oh, Idon't know the name of the shop,
the Boutique de Chapeau. As I'veexplained multiple times, the abundance of hat
shaped products everywhere. The smell,Oh you notice that? Then? Did
you say it's hard not to tobe honest and not to smell like that
When the owner is, as I'veexplained, part horse. That makes some

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sort of sense, I suppose.Anyway, what is this? What do
you do here? All? Right? Well, we are an emporium for
confusion and wonder. We provide anirritating yet intriguing respite from the drudgery of
the day. To day of existenceand plant the seed that maybe, just

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maybe centaurs are real. All ofthis so that the annoyance and despair of
religion, politics, protests, socialmedia, celebrity chef singing competitions, daytime
television, that thing Adell does witha mouth, babies, children, teenagers,
people in general. Really those thatown boat shoes, those own salmon
colored trousers, the people that spelltheir names with unnecessary wise in them.

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Eric stolts, the way Peers Morgansmells, the way Peers Morgan eats,
really Piers Morgan in general, thecolor olive green, and any other number
of things that might disgust person ina day is washed away from a momentary
second and replaced with an interaction thatis decidedly unpleasant but ultimately curious. You
could have just sung me a songor tap danced or something. Right,

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But stop to think about that fora second. How would that have made
you feel? Oh, yes,that's right. I would have wanted to
have punched you in the eye socket, but my politeness would have prohibited me
from doing it, and then Iwould have slunk home feeling lesser than well.
Precisely, other people's positivity, enjoyis simply a reminder of how little
you have of your own, whereasquestions about centaurs, well that's just something

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everyone can get behind. So canI see him? Then? See who
the centaur? Of course not thatwould spoil a surprise? What surprise?
Exactly? Right? Good day?So can you please leave now? But
I really you must leave now?Look it all right? Put these headphones
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Diner. So leave us a voicemailand be featured in these voicemail segments.
And so our guest on this week'sshow is the same guest that was on
the show about three episodes ago.In fact, this is a part two
of sorts, not a number two, and definitely not a three, but
a part two. And since welast had him on the show, the
world has shifted on its acts byabout an inch. The trend in shoes

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is now to just be about afoot and a half, Shorter belts are
in, but not wide belts.Hair is so last year. Markinson's are
making a comeback as food for poorpeople. Parts of Mississippi have been painted
yellow and feature clog dancers performing violentreenactments of early Ellen shows. And everyone
still really really hates their own children, except luckily our guest, who loves

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his and is mildly and different oneveryone else's. That's because he's a much
better man than I'll ever be.It's the one, It's the only.
It's Scot two me, Ladies andGems. Back on the aftermovie Diner with
Part two of Teen Agents and SpikeKids, Part two of that formidable genre

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from the eighties and early nineties ofwhen mostly either handsome and or loserish gentleman
of the college or high school varietywould head off on a mad venture full
of full of I mean, essentiallyturning college age kids into actual murderers,

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which which the last episode we didpreteens, but in the last episode we
did Richard Grico of Teenagent and ifit looks like a kill just in the
third act just became a gun wieldingmurderer essentially, Um. And likewise in

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in in one of two of Tonight'sdiscussion movies, Never Too Young to Die,
Stamos, John Stamos just becomes Hejust becomes a killer, goes from
gymnastic killer in ninety minutes. Um. Whereas the other one that your pick
for the evening Gotcha, has avery clever workaround for the the college aged

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kid not becoming an ass murderer.Yes, sir, so we can get
into that. But that's very exciting. Have you been so since last we
talked? Get the listeners up tospeed with everything in toombs Land. I
mean I've been good. It hasn'tbeen that long. Um, like yourself.
I got a little haircut today,so I'm rocking the shorter do.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not not a heck of a lot,

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friend. Um, just you know, day by day, taking each
day. Yeah, I've got acouple more weeks of part time work.
Until my paternity leave expires, andthen I'll be back to full time right
after Valentine's Day. So just beenenjoying things. You can see out the
paternity leave with some glorious Valentine's Daycelebration for you and your good ladies,

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because there are now multiple ladies.Now the tubs have something surrounded, surrounded,
and it's phenomenal. I was justsaying that Kim the other day.
Most to my friends, like whenI run through all of my friends who
have had children, and there's atthis point, you know, we're all
hitting on middle age. So atthis point a lot of us have had
the kids, almost all daughters,lots of daughters. So we've got a

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strong generation of women coming up behindus. And I don't know about you,
so, but I couldn't wish fora better thing than a strong generation
of women. Let's get these menoff the throne. Yeah, exactly,
No, I couldn't agree more.I'm excited for them to take the reins
after we're all gone and forgotten.Exactly. I'm very excited about it.

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But yes, damn, there wereall of the friends I have have had
had females, which is fantastic andthen even some of Kim's friends, they've
had like a boy and a girl, so there's always a girl in the
mix. Yet a lot of myfriends have had daughters too. I got
two high school buddies, both hadtwo daughters. I had two, two

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daughters. And then yeah, mostsome of my other friends a boy and
a girl, and so good,even good, even mix. It's good
man. Hopefully a hundred years fromnow, ship may have changed rather than
the constant struggle we find ourselves in. But that's good man, it needs
to change. Scrape us away.Um, we're not asking us. I

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mean, we're good dudes. Don'tscrape us away. But there are other
dudes out there that probably needed tobe scraped away, But not the two
gents we're going to be talking abouttonight. Look at that segue right there.
These college age kids turned superspies.On one turned superspy, the other

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one turned reluctant. Uh what ishe con co spy? I don't know.
I guess, yes, I guessreluctant. Accomplice is the word I
was looking for if my middle agedbrain wasn't kicking my ass the sort of
style. So yeah, let's let'stalk let's go Gotcha first because I think
it's it's the more sensible of thetwo, so we should end with the

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more ridiculous one. But Gotcha fromnineteen eighty five starring Anthony Edwards. This
was your pick for this week,sum and this was one I had.
I'd never heard of. I'd neverseen a poster or a trailer or anything.
This was entirely new to me.Um. It is out on the

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blue rays from Keno Lauba, Ibelieve, um, so it is available
out there for people to pick up. But scott As, this was your
pixel, and I know that youown not only the blue ray but an
old recorded off TV vhs which isjust classic. That's right, analog basement.
Tell us all about it. Ilove this movie. Um. I

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want to say, the first timethat I ever saw it was my family
used to get together with another familyin town for pizza nights on like Sundays
when we were you know, whenwe were kids. I probably couldn't have
been older than ten or eleven orsomething like that, and one night this

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movie came on and I ali,all I saw was this kid running around
with a with a paintball gun inthe beginning and then you know, the
parents turned it off because that wasenough. And then I think it was
just another one of those movies thatjust kind of popped up on network television
one of the local Boston you know, uh TV stations used to get showed

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on you know, Saturday afternoons orSunday afternoons and stuff like that, and
just fell in love with it.Um. Anthony Edwards is somebody that I
know and I'm sure most people knowvery well from Top Gun, his uh
seven season stint on Er, whichis one of my favorite TV shows of
all time, and you know,Revenge of the Nerds of course, and

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there's a little bit of a connectionin this movie that we'll talk about later
between he and the director. Yeah, um yeah yeah. And it just
again just like um if looks aKill or Teenagent. This movie popped up
at a time for me when Iwas just starting to get really heavy into

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spy movies and espionage thrillers and stufflike that. So the VHS recording that
I had, I taped it offa TV in nineteen ninety five when I
was fourteen years old, which wasright around when this was you know,
this obsession for me was kind ofpicking up. Yeah, so and I

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used I told you that I textedyou the other day. Actually, So
I watched the Blu ray a coupleof weeks ago just to prep for the
show. And then last night thingswere kind of slow at work, and
I had my my recorded VHS copywith me at and that's what happens.
I have a little tube TV andVCR set up on my desk at work,
so I popped it in and thisparticular VHS tape has Gotcha taped off

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TV. It's got Superman the movietaped off TV. And it has krawl
that I think I probably taped offof like hbo oh, you must have
done it on long play to getget those three on one vhs back in
the day when they were like turningtwo A VHS into a four A VHS
by using lung play. And everyonewas like, I didn't. I think

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I utilized long play quite a bit. Yeah, yeah, didn't we all
once we got into movies. Yeah, And and so let me ask you
commercials or commercial three? Yep,No, it's got it's this. Yeah,
this Gotcha has commercial. I don'tknow if Superman's got the commercials in
it or not. I might havestayed, stayed up and you know,
paused it when the commercials came up. Um but and Krall was off HBO,
so there was no commercials for that. But yeah, no, this

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Gotcha's got commercials. I taped itoff of TBS. TBS in nineteen ninety
five. And what about what aboutwhen they brought out those VHS players that
claimed to sense when the commercials werecoming in. And what would always happen
is it would always like cut.You'd get a minute of commercials and then
it would cut a minute off therestart of the movie. And you would

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try it once or twice and youwould go, God, choices, like
it never worked. Now for me, it was either just record the whole
thing with the commercials or sit thereand watch it and pause it every time
a commercial came mind and it wasit was. It was like an acquired
skill to be able to feel andthe movie was going to start again,
like all right, like this thisthis commercial, I think, oh,

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this this one ended on a ona on a on an interesting feeling.
I think I'm going to hit recordagain right here, and the movie would
start and it was just Yeah.Over the over the years of recording movies
off of TV and TV shows andstuff like that. I think that was
a skill that you just kind ofdeveloped developed because there would either be a
momentary like the commercial would either momentarylike freeze frame, like very slightly freeze

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frame before it went to the movieor and we used to get this in
British TV, but not all thetime. I think on ITV, which
is a third channel back in theday, there used to be like a
couple of sometimes and you could onlysee it on certain monitors, but like
a white and black line right upin the top right hand corner when it
was about to go back to themovie, you would just see like a
little like right in the top righthand corn a little white and black line

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and sometimes you could just oh,there we go. I don't know if
anything, I don't know if thatexisted over here. I never I never
noticed it that was terrestrial though itwasn't cable. I'm talking I'm talking beam
through the through the sky like magic. It's funny because I can like cable
and it's a cable. I go, well, it came through a cable,
that makes sense. But terrestrial TVwhen it's like beam through the air

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and bits like, I'm just like, that's magic. You know, that
doesn't make any sense at all.It's like it's like, I'll understand phones.
I even understand smartphones to some extronbut fax machines, I put a
physical piece of paper in a thingmiles away and that paper comes out.
I'm talking about like nineteen ninety I'mnot talking about facts machines now where they

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end up on a computer screen,but like in the nineties and eighties,
when a piece of paper would likewould come spewing out of a machine in
your front room and it would havedrawings and writings. How does that even
works? Some kind of majesty.They've never topped that for me in Share

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Share excitement, the very slow papercoming out of a machine making a high
pitched wine. So yeah, soGotcha starts and Anthony Edwards is part of
a college group that are playing thegame Gotcha with paintball guns, which I
AMDB Trivia tells me. And thisis just another thing that blows my mind

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about American living, American college type, that this was a real game,
that people play it on campus.Yeah, so yeah, I mean it
had we actually so obviously we didn'tplay it with paintball guns. But we
did in when I went to college, we did play a game like it.
I can't remember it's it's had abunch of different names. Um there

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are multiple different names. Yeah,I want to find somebody who actually played
it with paintball guns on campus.All those clothes and you don't have the
money to replace, like, andthese these aren't the paintball guns we we
know today. These these particular gunsthat they use in this movie. Like
this, this movie, um wasreally kind of at was really the beginning

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of the paintball thing. Yeah.They claim it's the first ever filmed production
to feature paintball that's what they claim. And the guns that they use were
actually used in the tree in thetree service right there. The guns were
used to mark trees in the forestto be cut down. Yes, and
then whoever these people were, Idon't know who they were, decided that

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they were gonna, oh, maybewe can shoot each other with these and
make a fun game out of itor something. So yeah, but um
man, yeah, I've I've I'vebeen been actually been trying to acquire a
h the exact model paintball gun thathe uses in the movie. And there
is one on for sale on eBayright now for about two hundred and seventy
five dollars, and I can't partwith that much money, but I really

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want it and have wanted it.So anyone listening, if you have that
kind of coinage just lying around,maybe maybe we have a secret millionaire listening
to the show. Be nice.Who's just like, I'll throw Scott some
shackles and buy him a nineteen eightiespaintball gun. I'll put it up in
my basement down here for the forestryservice. Um, does it come with

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contridges? Like? Does it comewith the bowl? The actual? I
don't think so. I don't thinkso. It's the the ad says that
it's I'm a paintball paintball museum orsomething like oh wow. So yes.
It goes by many different names,Assassin Killer, Elimination, Paranoia, Juggernaut,
Assassin's Battle, Royale, Circle ofDeath, and Chaos spelt KAOS,

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which stood for killing as organized sport, which has some real dark connotations to
it. Also, I have tohonestly say it like it's I mean,
you know, having lived in theStates long enough, I realized that this
stuff is just at this point commonplaceand you guys are all just weird.
But after something like I don't wantto bring up you know, Bandon,

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but after something like the Kent's schoolshootings in the sixties, one would imagine
the guns on campus, even paintballguns, would have just been a big
no no, I mean not tomention then the proliferation of and I don't
know what it was like in theeighties, but certainly the last fifteen years
I've lived here, every year there'smultiple school shootings. So the idea that

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there would be paintball guns just runningright, And I understand it's paintball and
it's not real am or whatever,but difficult to tell the difference at a
long distance. Yeah, you knowwhat I mean. Yeah, that's why
I want to find I want tofind somebody and see if there is somebody
that exists that actually played this gameon a college campus with paintball guns,

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or if it was just done forthe movie, because what they've done,
What did you play it? Wasit more like NERF guns or rubb rubbers
sticky when we when we played itit was it was it was more like
tag, like you had to kindof sneak up on the person and tag
them. But it could you coulduse you could use nerf guns and stuff
like that if you if you wantedto yething Yeah, yeah, I mean,

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that's that's that's incredible That many universities, I mean, and again,
I don't know, so if youare at a university in the United States,
you're listening to this show right now, let me know if this is
real, because they play they doit anymore, that many universities actually have
a Gotcha guild or a club orsociety that coordinates games for its participants,
almost like the opposite of the DeadPoets Society. Instead of I don't know,

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dressing up and makeup and reading poemsin the woods and dancing around a
fire, these guys are just wantinglytrying to attack each other. Because it's
not just the oh, certainly it'sthe movie opens. It's not just the
idea of being hit with a paintballwhich bruises and causes damage to your clothes
and goodness knows what else. It'salso the fact that to avoid getting hit
by the paintball, the sort offlips, stunts, jumps, things you

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would have to do that could gowrong and could end up getting a face
full of gravel, you know,while you're trying to dive out of the
way of some lunatic, mulleted gentlemantrying to shoot you with a paintball.
I mean, you know, itwas a different time, Scott, and
we may never see the heady likesof it again. But yeah, so

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we start. We start the moviewith Anthony Edwards playing yet another nerd,
essentially who is part of this gotchaguild, shooting people with paintballs and trying
to get a date. It's allabout a date, Scott. He wants,
he wants a lady in his life. He is roommates and best friends

(28:10):
with a lothario of the highest order, or claims to be a lethario of
the highest order. He often doesn'tquite succeed. But an Italian gentleman is
that right? No, sorry,South American gentleman right. Don't know how
to say his first name, JoGarcia Zoo Garcia from why other people would
know him? From Nightmare in ElmStreet played the Tina's boyfriend at the beginning

(28:33):
of Nightmare in Elm Street. Yes, that's right, and his name in
the movie is Manolo, which isa fantastic name for a real Smooth Operator.
It is, No, he's Manola, the Real Smooth Opera. And
I forget where he's meant to befrom. Is he meant to be Mexican?
Or is he meant to be Ithink he is? Yeah something.
I mean it's filmed. It's filmedin Los Angeles, right, yeah.

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Yeah. And they it seems likethey know each other pretty well too,
so maybe they even knew each otherbefore they got to college. I'm not
sure, really sure, but yeah, they've they've been friends for a while.
Yeah, they're both roomies. Andand and also that it's hinted at
at one point in the movie thatnot only is Manolo part of a gang,

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a lout of a sort of streetgang, a Mexican street gang,
car gang, whatever you want tocall it, but then Anthony Edwards was
also at one point part of thatgang. Okay, I don't know if
I ever picked up on that,because he says, once a part of
the gang. He said, youmay be out of it now, but
once part of the gang, alwayspart of the gang, will help you
out, Like later on when theyget there the cars to block off the

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CIA dudes, he says in theirroom, once part of the gang,
always part of the gang. AndI'm like, wait, I want to
know when I thought I see.I thought he was talking about himself because
Nathony Edwards asks him, you stilla homeboy, and he said, yeah,
you're in a gang. You're ina gang for life, So I
think he was talking about him.Oh, yeah, that makes more sense,

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that makes more sense, Like Idon't know that. Yeah, I
wanted white, faisty white. AnthonyEdwards was part of a Mexican street gang.
No, okay, that makes moresense. That makes more sense,
So Manolo, it sounds like probablygrew up a little rough and ready on

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the streets, whereas Anthony Edwards iswhite bread all the way. Um,
Alex Rocco is his father. Whata fantastic cameo who doesn't love the Rocco,
Which is funny because that also makesme feel like, well, what
is Anton Edwards? Men to beItalian? Like there's nothing in Italian about
Anthony Edwards, h but Rocco is. He's so so heavily Italian, like

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he's so fantastic in this movie.Although his mom is pretty his mom is
pretty, yeah, and both andboth, but anyway, fantastic. He
grew up obviously with some money.But him and his Palmanola have planned a
summer sojourn over to Paris and Spaintoo. And it's not like a teenager

(31:11):
This is not strictly a school thing, although Anthony I was just trying to
sell it as well, I mightlearn something over there. Yeah, it's
more like I think it's more likea spring break kind of thing. Yes,
And their real plan is just toget over there and score smooched with
the ladies as much as possible,score with which Anthony awards has no luck.

(31:37):
He's he's just if he's too he'seither too direct, or he's not
direct enough, or he has thelanguage barrier, or people tell him to
say the wrong thing. And hesays basically, will you have sex with
me tonight in French at a womanwho then smacks him across the face on
a crosswalk. But we take themto France and there he eats Sasha played

(32:01):
by Linda Fiorantino, The sultry LindaFiorantino. Yeah, with the the pre
manic pixie dream girl haircut like preshe's ahead of her time, like probably
eighteen years. She's got the littleuh well she i tell you what,

(32:21):
she's a boycott. She's got theuh Bridget Fonder in single White Female.
Yeah cut, that's what she's got, or the Demi Moore and ghosts.
Yes, the dem ghost haircut iswhat she's got. Maybe it's not,
maybe it's not the right the rightway to say it, but it's you
know, in those days it wouldhave been described as a boycott. Yeah

(32:43):
right, yes, uh crop shortand she shows Anthony Edwards the ways of
the of the woman and of loveand of cycling and sightseeing. I have
to say before we get any further, I have to say that some of
my favorite well one of my favoritescenes in the movie is Anthony Edwards interaction

(33:07):
with the waiter. Yes definitely andthat no, no, well we'll get
we'll get to discuss first things.I just want to quickly get the plot
out of the way. Yeah.So Sascha turns out to be more than
you would expect. The journey takesthem to East Berlin. This is one
of the four movies that we did. This is the only one that specifically

(33:30):
references the Cold War, although theyall have Cold War influences, because it
was the height of spies and darndo especially in movieland. But this is
the only one that specifically and indeedfilmed as close to East Germany as an
American film company could get back inthe day. And I wouldn't say hi,

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Jason's too, because it gets ratherserious. But some Russian operatives are
on their tail. He manages toescape the East, gets on a plane,
flies home, thinks, oh,that's all over and done with,
But no, the Russians have followedhim to California, and it's all it's
all exciting for the big full showdownon us soil. But that's that's the

(34:15):
basic plot. He becomes Sasha's unwittingbut possibly willing accomplice, meaning he's sort
of aware everything is an above boardbut yeah, he's sort of smitten,
and he also thinks that she issort of honorable up to a point until

(34:36):
he realizes the twist at the endof the movie. But yeah, he's
secretly and he's secretly you know,this is kind of something that he's you
know him, it's his, it'sgotcha, it's gotcha come to life for
him. Yes, yes, it'sin his wheelhouse to some extent, although

(34:57):
not maybe to the extent that hewould he would hope. Oh yeah,
having to jump from the citadel intothe into the uh the moat. You
jumped in a moat? Yeah,jumped in a moat. He's on drugs.
He's on drugs. Why is mynikon all wet? So many good
lines, so many good lines.So um so Scott. Yeah, obviously

(35:22):
give us your review of the film, and then let's break down some of
your favorite scenes. Okay, thatsounds good. Um. Well, being
somebody who has seen this movie somany times and started, you know,
watching it on the regular when Iwas, you know, fourteen, fifteen

(35:43):
years old, Um, I meanI could probably act out the entire movie
for you. Um. I cansay that when I was a kid,
I thought that the gang members allat the end when they show up with
all the guns. Yeah, Ithought those were all paintball guns. I
thought they were part of the game. I didn't know that those are actual
real guns. How about that ganggang remembers face the last the last ones

(36:07):
like giving it teeth and so good? It was my favorite. He was
my favorite. But yeah, no, I I love everything about this movie.
I love the the the big openingwith the paintball scenes and stuff like
that. I always thought that wasreally cool. Um, when I was
a kid, I actually made myselfon the computer a Gotcha identification player game

(36:30):
Gotcha player card. Yeah, Iwas. I was totally obsessed with this
movie for for god knows how long. He may be the only like deep
Gotcha nood on the planet. Ilove it. I have to show you
so before we when we decided wewere finally going to record these I did.
I showed you my cloak and daggerpin that I got eBay. But

(36:52):
I also found a very rare pieceof Gotcha um promotional um something. I
have to show it to you beforewe get off camera. Exciting. It's
pretty cool actually, um so yeah, I mean I I got really into
buying VHS tapes when I was incollege. I started going on eBay and
buying stuff that was out of print. This was one of the first ones

(37:13):
that I bought. Um, andthen you know, it hit DVD,
and then it hit Blu Ray recently. I didn't even know about that.
My friend had to tell me aboutit. Um. I just yeah,
I don't. I don't know.I can't explain why I love it so
much. I mean, we weall already know that I love this genre
of teens or kids getting wrapped upand embroiled in a in an espionage you

(37:37):
know, thriller type type. OrdealUm Linda Fiorentino. I mean, you
can't can't say, can't say muchabout her. She's just great. I
mean, I've loved her since VisionQuest, which was her first movie,
So she's she's a I mean,you know, I think I was taking
some sort of reading up on herbecause she's someone who's who's sort of quit

(38:00):
acting now and and does a lotmore activism and charity work and various other
things right now. And it's funnybecause you know her her acting ability is
phenomen She's a really good actress,just a really really strong actress. Um.
And definitely a strong woman as well, just from from all accounts,

(38:22):
um. But you can never tellwhether the clashes that she had famously behind
the scenes on almost all of herfilms with someone, whether it was the
director or another actor or screenwriter orwhatever, were due to her just you
know, being a stronger woman andthey're being a sort of inherent misogyny in

(38:45):
Hollywood, which I think, justfrom interviews and things, is sort of
her take on it. Yeah,and see the interview that she did with
Letterman, I did not, Okay, she she she did an interview with
Letterman when um, a movie thatshe did called The Last Seduction, UM
got picked up by a distributor andwent and got put put into theaters and

(39:06):
she after vision Quests. She actuallykind of she quit acting after Vision quest
for a little while because the supshe says in the interview with Letterman that
that I guess like a producer orsomething like that called her up and told
her like, oh, we lovethe dailies blah blah blah blah blah,

(39:27):
but your genes aren't tight enough andyou have a really great ass basically,
and that put that put her off, and she stopped acting for a little
while. Yeah. Um, butyeah, she and I've always been a
fan of hers. She's great.She always tends to show up in these
kind of like I mean more soI think in the nineties, some more
like like erotic thrillers. Yeah,I mean, I think Last Seduction.

(39:51):
While it was probably the one thatshe'll be most known for, Yeah,
it also probably pigeonholed her to bethe actor that people went to to be
like, oh, we're doing alow rent Joe Astahouse movie or whatever come
come being that, and you knowit's it's difficult because it's the same thing

(40:13):
happened to Sharon Stone after Basic Instinct, because you have this meaty, empowered,
strong, you know, intricate femalerole in Basic Instinct or Last Seduction
or any of those kind of prominentfatal attraction with Glenn Close. They're all
they're all intriguing, interesting, strongfemale roles, but they also have the

(40:36):
you know, they also have themisogyny of well, for a woman to
be interesting, she must be apsychopath, and she must be naked half
the time, and so and solf. So it sort of has it's fifty
fifty, right, And if you'rean actor and you're not getting any meaty
roles, and here comes a meatyrole and then you know there's some compromises
to it or whatever you've got tomake, then you know, you make
that decision, you roll those dice, But unfortunately it's probably all you get

(40:58):
offered. You know, she doessome action roles. She's she's in some
action films. Uh. She's mostnotably also in Men in Black, which
apparently she won from Bannon barry Sonand Felt in a poker game. Apparently
she won the role in a pokergame from Barry Son and felt but no,
I think I think where I getthe disconnect is is the fact that

(41:20):
she, uh like also got shittywith Kevin Smith. And I get Kevin
Smith is a polarizing Figure's he's hecould both be like very charming and very
annoying and equal measure. And heis definitely I mean, certainly when they
were making Dogma still part of thatold boys club, I mean, Dogma
is almost ninety percent guys and thenher, so I can only imagine that

(41:43):
she probably felt like, oh,she's small guys making dick jokes. You
know, it must have been annoying. But and I just never felt that.
You know, she's such a goodactress. I love how what a
strong woman is. I've never feltthat her um reputation was fair. I
feel when I hear a reputation likehers, unless there's something I can really

(42:05):
pinpoint the warrant set, it's probablymen, you know, not being able
to handle like a strong woman.Yeah. The other actress, I think
gov is Um who has this reputationis I'm going to forget her name,
but officer and a gentleman. Ohyeah for Urban Cowboy. Um yeah,

(42:28):
I'm going to forget her name now, but you know who I'm talking about.
She she also I don't know whethershe quit acting altogether, but she
got a horrible reputation after those twomovies for being difficult. But I always
feel like when people say, oh, she's being difficult, what they really
mean is, you know, Ilike women to be quiet and not you

(42:50):
know, and know their place.Debra Winger So, uh so, I
don't know, but I like,I don't care about reputations. I like
Linda Fiorentino. I think she isa fantastic, fantastic actress. Ending in
Gotcha. You know, considering she'sdoing a Checkerslovakian accent throughout the whole movie,

(43:14):
well, it could come across asawful, It could come across as
someone sort of just doing a cordEastern European accent. She sustains it,
maintains it, the character suits it, and it's never played for um,
it's never played too much for uh, you know, laughs or you know,

(43:36):
misunderstandings or xenophobia or anything like that. It's played pretty pretty straight.
Um. So that works really well. And then the movie is sort of
I think the movie has a slightlyodd tone because there are, as you
say, some scenes like the waiterscene with the Pernod per with with water

(44:02):
scene, and it's odd that he'sdrinking perno anyway, because it's not I
don't even know what that is.It's it's an aniseed liquor. Uh so
it tastes like licorice. But it'ssort of like a it's sort of like
a m he knew what he wasordering it Sam Booker type thing. I
think I'm right. I think I'mright in saying, yeah, that it's
sort of similar to Sam Well,that's probably part of the joke. I

(44:25):
mean, he had no clue whathe was what he was ordering, I
don't think. But then he wassecond he orders the second one. Yeah,
I guess he liked But yeah,I know, so, um the
perne it sort of played for laughsand certainly, um you know, there
are scenes with a minolo pretending tobe a terrorist in order to score with

(44:46):
Swedish checks who turned out to beSwiss. You know, there's certain things
in it that are definitely jokey.But the overall tone of all of all
four movies, this is probably themost serious. Yeah, it's like it's
remember like the first maybe like halfof the movie plays like a kind of
a typical college um you know,tomfoolery type of not not sex comedy,

(45:15):
but like um kind of borderline likehe's you know, he's just gone,
he's I mean, they have theyhave the scene in his class where he
says it out loud, let's faceit, I'm never gonna get laid,
and everyone in the class hears him, you know what I mean. So
I think it kind of leads you, leads you to believe that maybe that's

(45:36):
the kind of movie that it's goingto be. But then when it takes
that turn to to a being aI think a pretty cool little you know,
espionage thriller kind of Yeah, itkind of kind of takes it takes
you by surprise a little bit.Well not not unliking from Dust Till Dawn
and Daily Movie I could think of. Yeah, it's completely changes tone tapway

(45:58):
through. Well, it's also adifficult rate because you have uh, you
know, bright, sunny California andyou know American kids with their you know,
hamburgers and fast cars and snazzy clothes, and then you know, the
middle of the movie takes place inEurope as if Europe is perpetually gray and
visible, which it is. Imean, I should just admit it.

(46:19):
You know, Europe is the gray, miserable old world, with California being
the hip, young, funky world. France looks nice. Then when they
get into Germany and East and EastBerlin and stuff, then yeah, I
know. And and to be fair, Berlin is even even today that the
sort of thriving ARTI hip metropolis thatBerlin has become. Yeah it is.
It is still has vassuays of itthat are just gray tower box. So

(46:44):
I always love that part with thewith the when he's telling his parents that
he's going to East Berlin, EastBerlin. I don't think you want to
go there, honey, yea.Um, but it's it's it's difficult because
I think it it um. Thescene is changing so much. I found
the Middlesex in the movie while Iwhile I enjoyed the whole thing, definitely

(47:04):
enjoyed the whole thing. Um.The middle Sex of the movie has some
slow parts in it which I thinkthe relationship building between the two of them.
No, I don't I didn't mindthat because they had a wonderful eighties
montage of the cut between Learning thelessons of Love. I'll just put it
that way. Start, I'll putit. I'll put it politely that way,

(47:25):
Learning the Lessons of Love with wonderfullike bike riding along the scene and
you know, picking flowers and wanderingthrough French market markets and giving each other,
you know, bread and bagats andthings. It was, it was
all very that was all very fun. No. I just think if I
was, you know, again,I don't have the nostalgic or even the

(47:50):
kind of history with the film.Uh and and and it's interesting because I've
been going along this journey recently,especially since starting twenty two. Uh And
you know, I keep mentioning myreview of Ghostbusters Afterlife because what I was
trying to get at with Ghostbusters Afterlifewas sort of saying, well, I'm
going to leave certain things there andwhere. And I'm accused very often of

(48:15):
sort of nostalgia mining or only lovingstuff because of its retro nature or whatever,
but that's not true. I goI watch a lot of new movies,
and I also go back and watcha lot of movies that are new
to me. And Cloak and Daggwas one because it's like I didn't like
Cloak and Dagger because I had somenostalgic memory of Cloak and Dagger. I

(48:37):
watched it as an adult the firsttime. So but then there are other
movies that I think benefit, probablyslightly, just from that history of it.
So coming to this movie, Ican't say it was the resounding success
that Cloak and Dagger was, SoI don't I don't miss I don't mean
to, but I enjoyed it.I definitely enjoyed it. It's definitely like
a strong, you know, threeand a half out of five kind of

(48:59):
movie. And I defintely could seewhy why you loved it, Like and
I could. I could see thatif it was one that I'd watched throughout
the years, it would have kindof built that reputation for me, because
you know, every few minutes inthe movie there's like another like oh wow,
okay, they're putting something different inthere. There's a bit of comedy
here, there's a bit of spyhullabaloo. There's you know, a nice

(49:20):
gag at the East German border withthe same woman at different windows where he
goes to get out of the countryand she's like, your visa expired four
hours ago. And he's like,but I'm leaving. She's like, you
need a new visa. Window twoand it goes down to window too,
and it's the same woman and she'slike, yes, can I help you?
And he's like I was just youknow, those kind of things,
they're like really nice, they're likeneat, little neat little gags. There

(49:43):
was always something to kind of keepme entertained. I just felt overall it
could do with just a tightening.There was nothing I would lose specifically,
Yeah, it could just to keepit rolling along. So you kind of
had first act California, second act, you're third act California. If you
sort of kept it moving along becauseand I also think that probably a second

(50:07):
watch of this movie would be muchbetter because I'll know what's coming. I
think with this one, the firstwatch you offer you, you know,
you kind of get forty five fiftyminutes into the movie and you're like,
well, I don't how are theyyou know what's happening now? Because fifty
minutes into the movie, he hasn'tbecome you know, he hasn't started using

(50:29):
his paintball stuff yet. He hasn'tbecome a spy accomplice yet, like him
becoming or utilizing his skill to kindof become the teenage and that doesn't happen
until the sort of third act ofthe movie, when he kind of turns
the tables on everyone else. Andwhen that happens, you're back on familiar
territory. You're like, oh,we go, here we go. It's

(50:51):
a teenage you know thing, andit's an action and he's going to turn
the tables and you know whatever.But there's that bit sort of about fifty
minutes into the movie around they markmaybe where you're just like, well,
nothing, nothing from his side hashappened yet. And because it does,
the movie does break with convention,and it does break with the other three
movies that we've watched as part ofthis series. This isn't it if it

(51:14):
looks get killed. This isn't ayou know, never too young to die.
This is a real attempt at aserious story about these goings on and
with comments on communism in Eastern Europeand Russia and America and all that good
stuff. So and I just wasn'texpecting that, I guess. So when
you watch it for the first time, I think, you know, I

(51:36):
was expecting, like, oh yeah, a kid who knows how to do
paintball, goes to Europe, getsembroiled in a thing and sort of you
know, Richard Grieko's it or whatever, like I think that's what I was
expecting. So with that expectation,and then the movie flipped that and I
was I was surprised, pleasantly surprisedby that. But I also think because

(51:58):
then I was like, oh wait, because I don't know now what's happening.
I've got a kind of shift gearsmid movie, and maybe I felt
like that's when for me it draggeda little, but just just because I
was trying to realign my brain asto well, this clearly isn't going to
be what I think it's going tobe, do you know what I mean
by that? So I'm laying theblame it myself more than the movie.

(52:20):
But I did enjoy it. WeKim and I watched the last night.
We did enjoy it, and Iand I definitely see what you mean.
The first act on the last acthave some really good speed to it and
pace to it and sort of teencomedy aspects to it, and then the
middle is just unexpected because you're notreally the person having the espionage thriller bit

(52:44):
Sasha and we as the audience orAnthony Edwards kind of going, wait,
what's you know, what's happening?And you know, is he really part
of it? Is she really honestwith him? Do they love each other?
Would if you were a spy,would you really go as far as
she goes? Because you really believethat love story, like you do believe
that it's one thing having sex withyou know, if you're a spy,

(53:07):
that sort of James Bond thing ofwell, I'll have sex with you to
get something from you and then moveon. But the montage implies that they
spend some days together, you know, they really sort of start falling for
each other, and you don't needto do that if your only plan is
just to use him, you knowwhat I mean. So I feel like

(53:29):
the movie was trying to sell memore on the love story, which I
liked, um, but then thatmade it harder to be like, well,
wait, what's what's happening with her? Then? You know what I
mean? But that was good.Yeah, I'm glad you liked it.
I did. I liked I likedAlex Rocco was fantastic. Didn't know he
was going to be in it.Love Alex Rocco the parent the parents are

(53:50):
or a bright spot for me?Oh yeah, yeah, what's the what's
the gag? I texted you lastnight? Mom? Al? That was
that? That whole bit that's sogreat. Don't say mom, you say
mom, you say al and thenthe whole thing comes out of my pocket.
Yeah. I love it. You'regonna learn a hell of a lot
more working in the real world thanyou will chasing skirts around Pomona. Yeah,
Plona, Pomona. I don't careif it's Cleveland, You're not going.

(54:13):
It's out of the question. He'sso good. Alex Rocco could read
the phone book and making funny.I love Alex rod I did like I
also, I think I mentioned itin our in the in the last episode.
But when that uh he crashes intothat car, yeah, because he
thinks it's because it's like, Yeah, he's a CPA from Encino. What

(54:37):
are you crazy? You're on drugs, get yourself into a rehab, puts
cocaine on his corn flakes. Yeah, I love that. He just runs
off a whole bunch of stuff.He's just like, I've been free basing.
I've been in you know, interveniently, I've been doing it. He
just runs off any words he canthink of that it's my connection. UM.
I also liked the There was somevery nice bits in the script where

(55:00):
I gotta think twice. Oh,so the Manolo and him back and forth
about um. Manolo says something tohim when he goes off to score with
the Swiss check yeah, and I'mI'm forgetting it right now. But then
Anthony Edwards repeats it to him backonce. He's oh, yeah, the

(55:23):
Lessons of Love with Linda Fiorentino.And it works really nicely. There's like
a nice little callback and I'm goingto forget what the back and forth is
like two or three lines, andI remember it is uh. Manola is
like uh she she thinks I'm Carlosa terrorist. I can't be seen with
a guy who looks like Bamby.And then Jonathan is like, hey,

(55:45):
man, no offense, but shelikes guys who look like Bamby. I
can't be seen with Carlos the terrorist. Yeah, I know, that's it
very very I really like that.And then um, at the end of
the movie. So when when um, when they first meet lind To Fiorentino
and Anthony Edwards in the in thein the tobacco or the cafe or whatever
they're in in Paris. Um,you know, he's trying to impress her.

(56:09):
She sees through his uh lies.Um, he tells the truth mainly
because she's she's either being honest orshe's trying to trick him. But every
every time, you know, shesaw you a virgin. He tries to
play the big man and blah blahblah blah blah, and then she flips

(56:29):
out on its head by going,well, actually I like virgins. And
she's like, how old are you? Are you twenty you know whatever?
And he's like, go, I'mtwenty four and I'm a big guy,
and blah blah blah. She's like, I like teenagers without hair on their
chest, and so he has togo, well, no, actually I'm
eighteen. Um. And it's goodbecause it kind of flips it on the
sand. You don't know, Imean, she may just be saying it

(56:50):
to say it. She may besaying it to call him out, but
she says, that's two lies.Don't let them be a third. And
then right at the end of themovie when they're the twist, he's talking
to Linda Fiorentino and she's she's revealingor she's lying to him and then revealing
some truths about herself ultimately, andhe's like, there's two lies, don't
let them be a third. Andit was just a really nice comeback.

(57:13):
So I like that when scripts dothat. I like when scripts bothered.
I have a couple of word playsthat kind of you know, either reverse
or a flipped later in the movie. So I thought that was really neat
about the film. I liked thata lot. Um what I mean,
I loved like all the all thefact that they bothered to you know,

(57:37):
get as close to East Germany asthey could, and they were filming it
right near the Berlin Wall. Infact, they had to replicate a small
section of the Berlin Wall a fewfeet away because they weren't allowed to film
at the real Wallum. I likethe German punk gang. Yeah, we

(57:58):
love it, we love it.Yeah, they're all recording Randy Newman song,
which is just fantastic. Um.I like the policeman he meets outside
the Butcher's Sharp, he's great.Um. When he's talking about the you
know, his girlfriend or whatever Ilove. I mean, all of that
stuff was done really well. Ijust think a little bit of tightening and

(58:21):
it would have been you know,it would have been a five star problem
but but but definitely worth of whatis Anthony Edwards? Always a good bang
for your buck? I never forget, like like you, I was a
fan of the early series of Eand then always thinking like whatever happened to
that dude? And then Zodiac showsup and he's like amazing in Zodiac and

(58:43):
you're like, why is he notin a hundred more things? You know
what I mean? Why is?Why is Anthony Edwards not doing more things?
So? Um, it is directedby Jeff Canoe, not about how
you would think, but ka NE W rather than Canoe h C A

(59:05):
n O. He who is knownfor Revenge of the Nerds. Um and
uh and edit, oh this isinteresting. He edited Eddie Macorn's run and
wasn't that directed by Oh? Healso directed Eddie Macorn's run as well.

(59:27):
Huh okay, I thought that wasokay, I'm getting confused, but okay.
So he did Ordinary People um asan editor for Robert Redford and he
did. He's he's an editor asmuch as he is a director by the
looks of it. But he didEddie Macorn's run with Kirk Douglas Revenge of

(59:49):
the Nerds, Gotcha he did?V I Washowski? Ah, you like
that one, which is Oh,I've never seen it. It's just a
movie. It's a it's a posterthat I I've seen a hundred times and
I never seen it. I've neverseen either. I never forget it because
I remember looking at the post ofbeing like, who would name a movie?
V I watch it? Like Icouldn't. Even before I moved to

(01:00:10):
America, I couldn't even pronounce that. English people can't say those like American
Polish names. They just don't.It just doesn't come out. V.
I wore shore Ski, Like what'sgoing on there? Like we can't say
it? But in America you're like, oh, yeah, V I wat
Showski. Um never seen it.I've seen the poster. I've seen the

(01:00:34):
trailer a couple of times. I'vealways wanted to see it. But I'm
like, what a terrible name frommovie seen in the video store all the
time, all the time, areal video store a thing, so um
and then after that, you know, a dozen couple of things here and
there, but a few Revenge ofthe Nerds Easter eggs. Yeah, and
uh yeah, it's a few Revengeof the Nerds Easter eggs in this movie,

(01:00:59):
gotcha, including the um, theletters AB Yeah. Uh. He's
wearing a red sweatshirt with the lettersA B on it. When when the
guys throw the football through his window, the Alpha basis send send the build
of the beatas Yeah, um,and just go ahead. Sorry, I
was just gonna say, um,I actually stumbled up when I So,

(01:01:22):
my wife is from Los Angeles.We frequently go out there to visit,
vacation and whatnot. And every timeI'm out there, I'm always keeping my
eyes open for filming locations and stufflike that. And the exterior of his
apartment. Uh, Anthony Edwards character'sapartment in this movie is actually one that
I kind of stumbled upon. Wewere we ventured into the UCLA area to

(01:01:45):
do something else, and we droveby the building and I recognized it.
It's one of those great nineteen twentiesnineteen thirties apartment complexes that are little LA
and they're great. Yeah. Yeah, So that was that was that was
pretty cool. It's it's funny ratherthan I mean, although I know that
obviously those those buildings are prominent inthe film noirs of the of the thirties,

(01:02:07):
uh and and early forties. Ialways just think Roger Rabbit whenever I
think of the you know that eraof that Art deco film noir kind of
era of la I just think RogerRabbit. I don't know why, like
it's just or More recently, Ireally liked the the Perry Mason prequel that

(01:02:29):
they did on HBO with that takesplace in the in the thirties. I
think about that. I forgot theydid that. Um. I do have
to make mention of one other moviethat Jeff Canu directed, and that's one
of my favorites. I used towatch it constantly with my mother and my
sister, Troop Beverly Hills, whichI have to imagine Kim has seen that

(01:02:50):
movie and really loves it. TroopBeverly Hills. Yeah, does that have
Oh no, it's not what Iwas thinking. It's the Shelley Long movie.
Okay. I have not seen it, and I don't know if Kim
has seen it. I have toimagine she has. I think it's in
her wheelhouse. Kim is a hugefan of Cheers and which obviously Sherry Long

(01:03:13):
and a huge fan of Craig tenNelson. Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's
probably seen it. And there wasa Craig T. Nelson connection with the
next movie, Never Too Young toDie, because of Vanity, because Craig
teen Nelson plays the bad guy inAction Jackson, which is just hilarious because

(01:03:34):
you can't imagine Craig T. Nelsongoing toe to toe with Carl Weathers,
but he does. He even throwsa few martial arts kicks in that movie.
What what the hey? Him throwingmartial arts kicks? What's all that
about? But he does? Andof course Vanity is in that movie as
well and co stars and Never tooYoung to Die the following movie, What

(01:03:58):
It's Interesting about Gotcha Sir? Thatties in also the Cloak and Dagger.
Cloak and Dagger. There was anattempt to, as we discussed last show,
make a computer game that ultimately failedand did They only did a couple
of Atari Upright games Arcade games.However, Nintendo Entertainment System, according to

(01:04:23):
IMDb Trivia, put out a videogame of the movie called Gotcha the Sport
in nineteen eighty seven, a coupleof years after the film first debut.
Correct, And I want to saythat I that I rented it one time
to play it and it was notvery good. No, it's a capture

(01:04:43):
the flagstyle game. It was madein the shooter genre. I don't think
anyone's ever heard of it. Butinteresting that while Cloak and Dagger is entirely
about computer games, or at leastthe idea of the Atari computer games.
You would think the perfect tie into do an Atari computer game that one
failed. They did not do thatGotcha. On the other hand, Nintendo,

(01:05:05):
we're all in on a video gameof the movie, even though you
know, as I say, it'sa movie that you know and love very
well. I'm sure that I'm sureit has its fans, but it's certainly
not one that I'm aware of.Is in the zeitgeist of our generation.
I don't. It's not like aGoonies or something that has sort of stood

(01:05:26):
the test of time or gets mentionedfrequently. It's uh, you know,
even something like um, if lookscould kill or whatever was something that you
know, most people I've heard,you know discuss or no of that movie
or aware of that movie. Butbut but but also, I mean it
goes to say that this particular genre, while we love it and we know

(01:05:50):
it, um, weirdly not apopular genre like these four movies were covering,
as I say, have their fans, people are aware of them.
They're certain nostalgia connected to them.You know. I'm sure everyone has at
least one of them on a ona VHS they recorded off TV at some
point in their lives. That they'reour age. But none of them were

(01:06:13):
huge successes, none of them wereboxed off for successes, and none of
them have stood the test of timein the sense of you know a stand
by Me, um, Breakfast Club, you know, you name your kind
of coming of age drama movie,Goonies, um, you know, Monster

(01:06:35):
Squad. Any of those have kindof you know, still as popular,
whereas these were. These were lessthan these. But that doesn't make a
lot of sense considering how good they'reall good movies, like all of them,
all of them have their their thing, right, I agree, Yeah,
I agree. I don't know.I maybe yeah, I don't know.

(01:06:57):
I was going to try to explainit, but I don't think I
can. Um, I mean it'seach of the four films, the cast
is fairly unknown. I mean whenyou look at stuff like The Goonies or
stand By Me, the the castmembers of those films went on to do
very very large things. I meaneven Um, you know, what's his

(01:07:23):
name from Cloak and Dagger? What'sit? What's what's his Thomas Thomas,
Ian Thomas, Henry Thomas, HenryThomas. Um. He didn't really have
much of a career past his youngerself. And then you know, Richard
Grico didn't have much of a careerafter you know twenty one Jump Street,
and and even John Stamos, whowould go on to have a fantastic career

(01:07:46):
on telling Yeah, yeah, themovie Never Too Young to Die, which
he thought was going to springboard himfranchise did not. No, So this
is the what you're trying to say, is this genre that we know and
love daily is the death knell ofa career? Yes, I guess.
Did the kids from Robert Rodriguez's SpyKids ever go on to do anything else?

(01:08:10):
I think so the girl maybe alittle bit, But I don't know
who the kid is either. Isn'tthat wait, isn't the kid what's his
name from the Twilight movies. No, I don't think so. I don't
know. I have no idea.One of the key scenes in this movie
which I was like, I wonderhow they're going to bring this back,
and sure enough they did, wasthe tiger sequence where a veterinary school at

(01:08:31):
a middling American college in California.It's they bring in a fully live tiger
in a cage unsupervised. There's noteven a zoologist there, or a zoo
handler or an animal handler or anything. Just a chemist who is about to

(01:08:51):
explain the tranquilizer dot to everyone.If you are going to be a vet
to a zoo, then you shouldbe prepared to tranquilize a tiger. This
is the lesson we walk in onin this movie, which is one of
those things again, you know,mostly serious movie, mostly takes place in

(01:09:12):
a world that I'll go, okay, that was a reality at one point.
But do you think Scott that inveterinary school they have a wheeled in
a tiger. I don't put itup on a bench in a in an
amphitheater. Surely they would have goneto the zoo and had an experienced zoologist
say, you know, this iswhat we had. This is how we

(01:09:33):
look after tigers when the vets comeout. Well, it's funny that because
the teacher who played but I don'tI can't remember the Yeah, the actor's
name, but he played the deanin Revenge of the Nerds. Yes,
Um, what was his name?I can look it up real quick here,

(01:09:53):
David Wall. David Wall played DeanUlick in Revenge of the Nerds.
Yeah, he plays the teacher here. Um. He actually says in the
movie, normally we don't get aspecimen of this caliber for a freshman class.
But blah blah blah blah blah.Um. But yeah, no,
that was that's that's that's pretty wild. Go ahead, make my day.

(01:10:15):
Yeah. But it's just it's justone of those things where you're like,
oh, yeah, it's a it'san eighties movie that's said in college,
we've got to expect at least onescene that makes you go, what the
fun Yeah, yeah, kind ofone scene that makes your head spread around,
yeah, and and not have anyidea. So the other funny thing
too, that I'm just realizing asI'm going through the IMDb credits, is

(01:10:39):
that Jonathan definitely has a type becausethe two girls that he approaches on college
campus are both beautiful, you know, blonde hair, blue eyed women.
And then he ends up hooking upwith Linda Fiorentino, whose dark hair,
dark eyes, completely different from whathe was going for when he was at
school. I found that pretty interesting. But yeah, I mean, listen,

(01:11:02):
you have to when you find awoman, Biarantino, it can't just
be about your you know, yournarrow minded view of the feminine form.
You have to embrace, embrace alltypes. I would kill or die to
make love to you. He is. He is an utter cheeseball in this

(01:11:28):
movie. He is a weird,weird cheeseball um. But I did love
it, and uh and uh neverremember Scott, never smuggle pornography through Eastern
Europe. That's that's really not doing. And there's never anything hidden in the
strudle. Strudle is fine. Youcan smuggle strudle, yeah, but not

(01:11:50):
pornography, which says all you needto know about communism and why it would
never work. Ye if a keytenant of communism is I'm sorry and not
allowed pornography. No, sorry,you lost me. That's uh yeah,
I don't understand that um anyway,all good, all good? Anymore on

(01:12:12):
goccious, sir and any anything youwant to say about it or recom I
don't I don't think so just Imean, you know, Dad, I
can't just take this down to thephoto. Matt's good spy shit on it.
Great, great, you know,great lines and great scenes. And
what about Bull Derek you ever meether? You know he thinks they think
because he's from LA he knows allthe celebrities, and I love the celebrity

(01:12:34):
In nineteen eighty five that East Germanpunks would ask you if you'd seen would
be Bo Derek, that Jr.Is one bad dude. I just you
know, such such good stuff.I just uh, yeah, no,
I love it. Love the moviefantastic. I'm glad that you liked it
to lots of m lots of parallels. Apparently with the Bond films that were

(01:12:56):
coming out of the time you seeView to a Kill licensed to Sorry,
Living Daylights would feature Paintball a coupleof years later in an opening training sequence
forgot about that. That's correct,So a lot of Bond fans watched Gosha
started at all Man, Yeah,gotcha was the original Well there would go

(01:13:17):
Gotcha from ninety five starting Anthony Edwardsand Linda Fiorentino. If you want to
check it out, there is ablu ray from Quino Lauba and this podcast
anyway says go buy it, yes, or find it on eBay on VHS.
If you are of the retro persuasion, here you go, there you
go. Oops, sorry I wasn'tready. I was busy pickling some fish.

(01:13:42):
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All right. Moving on nineteen eightysix and very next year, we are
onto Never Too Young to Die,starring the wonderful Johnny Stamos, Stay Moss,

(01:14:32):
Vanity and Jean mother flub In Simmons. Of all fucking people, this
one is a wild one. ScottAs this was a new one for you.
Do you want to to make anattempt to the storyline to try I'll

(01:14:53):
give it a will know what's goingon here, I'll give it a shot,
all right, John most are goodfriend also well, I mean most
people know him from full House,but he also had a stint on Er,
so there's a little connection between thisone and gotcha yea, Um it

(01:15:13):
plays a gymnastics uh, I guessgymnastics student at a It looked to me
like it was like a private almostlike a private high school. But maybe
it was. Maybe it was aprivate I think it's meant to be a
college, but then they have aparents' day, which seems to me something

(01:15:33):
that you would more do it.I feel like it's a I feel like
it's probably like a private high school, which makes what happens later on,
Yeah, yeah, like a whatthe heck would they call it? I
don't know, not not a militaryschool, but like, um, because
it's also it seems to be thatthere's all all boys at the school too,
which I think is more of acommon thing with it high schools.

(01:15:56):
Yes, boarding school exactly. Andactually he would be at a boarding school
because his you know, he's essentiallyas an absentee father and a dead mother.
Yeah, because his father is yeah, none other than George lazon By
Forman James Bond, George Lazonby SuperSpy Star Star Grow. And so I

(01:16:20):
mean I I saw a lot ofparallels between this and if looks could kill
a lot of similarities. Yes,Um, Stamos and Greco. Stamos and
Grico kind of have a similar look, although I will say that Stamos is
the better looking of the two,especially nowadays. Yeah, Um, they

(01:16:43):
have a they have a similar look. They're both they both they play high
schoolers. Um, an older agentum type character is involved. Um,
there's a little bit of a storylineof uh, you know, of poisoning
people in films. Um. Yeah, So Stamos's character just kind of gets

(01:17:05):
wrapped up in a thing when whenhis when his dad, um, who
little does he know, is actuallylike a superspy yep um and his dad
is on his latest assignment just kindof goes goes hey wire and he ends
up biting the bullet and the mostgets pulled in. Well, they're trying,

(01:17:30):
they're trying to I'm so bad atplot. No, I mean,
it's well this this movie is Imean, I really threw you a curve
ball by trying to get you todescribe the plot of this movie, because
this movie is insane. I meanwe need to start off by saying,
yea of the full movies, thismovie is just fucking bananas. You've got
to imagine a cross between Rocky HorrorPicture Show, Jim Cotta, Uh,

(01:17:55):
you know it looks could kill andand Mad Max. I mean, it's
it's just it's bananas from start tofinish. You know, you've got it's
the only one of the movies thatthat sort of features James Bond. So
Drew Stargrove is played by George Lasonbythe one time only Antipodean Bond, the

(01:18:19):
only time Bond has not been playedby someone from the British Isles. He
was Australian lason by back in theday and never got a second part in
Bond because he refused to cut hishair and was also drinking too much and
doing a lot of drugs. Italso features a very small and random cameo

(01:18:45):
by Robert England, who was justgearing up to be Freddie right he hadn't
yet been. Freddie is the firstNightmare eighty seven or am I wrong about
that? I'm not sure. Ifeel like it was earlier than that.
Oh, maybe he's already been Freddie. Then maybe was eighty seven. No,
I'm wrong, Night marionomes he waseighty four, so he'd already done.

(01:19:06):
He'd already done three Night Marion.He must have owed somebody a favor.
Yeah, very odd that he wouldshow up. But the three,
the four main players are John Stamosas land Star, Grove Vanity as dan
Ja Daring, Gene Simmons is Velvetvon Ragna, which is the bad bad

(01:19:26):
guys character, and Peter Quang asCliff, who is awesome. You know
Quang from such classics as Big Troubleand Little China and The Golden Child,
not to mention Gleaming the Cube,another lost classic of the eighties um that
also stars Christian Slater. Let's aquick, quick little detour here. Didn't

(01:19:50):
there was something something happened with TheGolden Child where they didn't. Did they
delay the release of it because ofBig Trouble and Little China or something like
that? I thought I read thatsomewhere before, and then it's quite possibly.
It's funny to me that Peter Kwang'sand both of them. I'll just
interject right off and say that GeneSimmons, for me, steals the entire

(01:20:17):
movie. Oh, I mean heand he isn't. He doesn't just ham
it up. Oh god, hehe bacon wrapped, boiled, hammed,
shoved in a pig's ass. Hellyeah. And then tomorrow there's no tomorrow.
This is the only movie I'm evergonna be in, So let's just

(01:20:38):
fucking go dude. Yeah, andhe famously hates this movie and hates his
performance. Yeah, I think he'sfantastic in it. Fantastic he made the
movie for me. Well, becausethere are two types of people, right
there are the tim Carry's in theworld who went offered Rocky Horror penny Wise,

(01:21:00):
it s the dabbling um uh legendwhatever it is, goes. I
don't care what this role is.I am playing it to the cheap seats
and you are good, and I'mgonna fucking love it. And then there
would be like Jean Simmons, whoat the time, at the time,
I'm telling you, he was enjoyinghimself. Yeah, there's no way that

(01:21:21):
at the time he thought he wasdoing a bad job. I think that
is a case of when people wouldmention it to him, he was embarrassed
by it, but he's not.I mean the movie. The movie didn't
do well. I mean, no, it's I mean, if you read
the Wikipedia, it says that themovie was all but forgotten until Shut Factory

(01:21:41):
put it out on blue ray acouple of years ago. Yeah, so
it did have right. So Iactually learned about which which I find funny
because I learned about this movie froma mutual good friend mos If pawn or
move on Helveta as it goes now, um goes by now way back quhen
probably seven or eight years ago.Now, so before the blue ray came

(01:22:08):
out, he had it on theVH So we watched it on that and
that's he was. This was amovie that that Mo made me aware of.
And he was like, Oh,I can't believe you haven't seen this.
You're gonna love this and uh andyeah it's um, you know,
there's another world where you know,because John Stamos has said about this movie

(01:22:30):
that he thought this was going tobe like the young James Bond. It
was going to start a franchise,blah blah blah, blah blah. There's
a world where they should have madeit more of a young James Bond in
this movie. What they try anddo is so his college roommate Quang is
gadgets guy is always building like randomgadgets, so that's where they get the

(01:22:53):
gadgets thing into it. He hasa love affair with Vanity in the movie,
so she's the kind of woman.But there's no like, there's no
like him putting on tuxedos and tryingto wow other women and walking into the
casino. There's no there's no bondstructure to it either. They've gone,

(01:23:13):
oh, we need like a crazyvillain, but no bond villain is ever
this you know, Pampa mimic andridiculous. You know this is so this
is like the you know, thescenes with Gene Simmons's Velvet von Ragna in
this movie are like if Rocky HorrorPicture Show collided with the Pagan scenes in

(01:23:39):
Dragnet. Dan Accord's Dragnet, infact, I think when we first meet
him that Amphitheater is the same Amphitheaterwhere they film the Virgin Connie Swale's attack
in Dragnet. The famous Dan AcoridTom Hanks classic that I love, but

(01:24:00):
he has so ve von Ragna isby all accounts an independently wealthy but like
later on in the movie, likehe admits he's got lots of money and
he's going to get lots more,I'm like, well, you already have
lots of money, Like, what'sall this about? He has no reason
for doing it. He's going topoison the water supply of California for no
reason. He is either helped orhindered in this by a essentially like a

(01:24:28):
kind of biker gang. But theyalso drive like these dune buggy style cars
with skulls and skins and stuff strappedonto it, like their mad Max two
road Warrior guys. But this ismeant to take place in you know,
a world where people do gymnastics inhigh school and have you know, parents
day, And no, it's thisdoesn't take place on like the moon or

(01:24:50):
in the future or the post apocalypse. So I don't know what they're doing.
Were there are a lot of gangsdriving around California and Mad Max style
dune buggies in eighty I don't haveto ask my wife's parents. Yeah,
maybe they were a part of this. But yeah, so he's sort of
preaching to me, but he doesn'tlike these guys. He's always calling them

(01:25:10):
like scum and he definitely the idiotsand whatever. He has a bodyguard slash
monster slash potential love interest based onthe end of the movie called Pyramid,
who looks as I described last episodeas if a horse was made human.

(01:25:31):
I mean, it's ridiculous looking andmovie he's ever been in, Ed Brock,
that's the Ed Brock. He looksas if Rambo was released as like,
what was that toy? That astretch Armstrong. Yeah, he looks
as if Rambo was released as astretch Armstrong toy and an insane child bent

(01:25:55):
him out of all shape and thenmade him into a human using um weird
science technology. That's what he lookslike. I'm not even kidding. He
looks like. That's accurate. That'saccurate. That's what he looks like.
He looks like because if a horsewas made human. He's utterly ridiculous.
He's Ragna's right hand horse. Sothe fact that Stamos and Vanity become lovers

(01:26:20):
in the movie is made even weird. And now by the fact that you
pointed out that it's definitely a boordin school and not a college. Yeah,
well maybe he's eighteen. I don'tknow. Yeah, but even then
it's like, yeah, it's borderline, isn't it. Yeah, yeah,
probably because Vanity I mean John,I mean in um In gotcha, Anthony

(01:26:44):
Edwards, he's only a freshman incollege, so he's he's you know,
he even says he's eighteen. He'seighteen, and she's twenty. Yes,
Sasha says she's twenty four. Sothere's two movies where yeah, you know,
the tables have turned here. Youknow, there's some credit robbing going
on by the league a little bitbecause Vanity is a secret agent. Not
only a secret agent, but it'sbeen a secret agent long enough to have

(01:27:04):
known his dad, So she's beenin the what do they call it,
the company? They call it amovie, I think yeah, for a
while. So, uh so it'sall baffling. Ragna's kind of and they
also say Ragna's re emerged as ifhe used to be a scourge, wasn't

(01:27:26):
but has come back again. There'sno explanation of really what's going on or
why why anyone would bother with thishermaphrodite. That's the other thing is he's
a hermaphrod or they are a hermaphrodite, which is a completely unnecessary details the
best of both worlds, he says, right, doesn't he? Yes?
Uh? The fingernail, I lovethe fingernail is incredible. My favorite thing

(01:27:53):
is the song that Gene Simmons performsat the Drag Club where the end of
every line, none of the linesrhyme, but the end of every line
is just yeah, like but yeah. I will say some of the music
in the movie was actually not bad, except the main theme Star Grove,
which is fucking a besmo. Yeah. Um, but again, Oh,

(01:28:15):
Gotcha and this movie both have themesongs. Oh yeah, Gotcha has a
theme song, and I remember thego is a little better. Gotcha's is
a little better. But I rememberwatching the credits Teresa Bazaar, I think
credits to Gotcha, and I'm like, isn't it amazing that back in the
eighties a movie like this, whichwas relatively a low budget I can't imagine

(01:28:38):
Gotcha was a huge budget movie.A relative low budget movie based on an
obscure college campus game, and theCold War gets its own theme song like
it's just incredible. Good point thatsomeone was like, oh, well,
we've got to write a song forthe gotcha whatever, Like you know,

(01:28:59):
we've got to right some of that. But they're never too young to die.
You get star Grove the main thieve, you know, like there was
some but this is what I loveabout the eighties, right, Yeah,
the movie makes no sense. Itrattles along at an incredible pace. There's
there's gadgets, there's nudity, there'sviolence. That's the other thing. It

(01:29:19):
was surprised by the nudity, ifI can be honest, it's r rated,
Like there's why you would make amovie like this are rated. I
mean, it's I tell you whatit's like. It's it's as if Hot
Shots Part two wasn't a parody.Imagine if hot Shots Part two took itself
seriously, that's this movie because it'sit's not a parody. It's just insane.

(01:29:45):
Yeah, yeah, no, itdefinitely, it definitely is trying to
be something. Yeah, and it'sweird because if you know, the like
when Spielberg and Chris Columbus did theYoung Shellock Holmbs. Yeah, while they
certainly took some liberties with the mythologyof Sherlock Holmes. When you watched it,

(01:30:06):
you're like, right, that's theyoung Sherlock Holmes. There were fantasy
elements to it. There was youknow, dreams and mad dreams and weird
sequences and and whatever, but theywere all explained by you know, poisons
that came from deepest darkest Africa,whatever, which is in all over Sherlock
Holmes, the Sherlock Combs stories thatall feature um uh, you know there's

(01:30:30):
a pygmy in one of them thatbrings a blow dart in one of the
Sherlock Comb stories. So it wasall in keeping with this. If your
hope was to make Stargrove kind ofa young James Bond thing, you couldn't
have more wildly veered off the pegsa huge It was a huge whiff.
It was a huge whiff. Theywent if if like a for effort,

(01:30:51):
but yeah, it just went.It just goes all over the place.
It just goes all over the place. And if we tell you that,
um, the big reveal is andI can tell it, but the big
reveal is that Gene Simmons plays duelroles as a ginger bearded like army colonel

(01:31:14):
and you can and you can tellthat it's just glued on. Yeah,
it's so beard bad. But thebig reveal is, you know, what
was what's his name in the movie. He's star. He's uh Carruthers,
That's it. He's like Carruthers,you were you were Velvet von Rag.
Now the whole time they can't theycouldn't tell. It was just uh yeah,

(01:31:38):
I just don't know what they werethinking. Um, I just don't
know what they were thinking. Whenyou look up the writers, Yeah,
they've not written really anything else ofany note. Um and and and in
fact, the main screenwriter has reallydone very little at all. Tony Tony

(01:32:00):
Foots. Oh yeah, Stephen Paul. And what about Stephen Paul? Yeah,
well Stephen Paul went on to becomea producer, a very successful producer
who most recently produced the the controversialGhost in the Shell Live, Oh Live

(01:32:20):
version with what's her name? Yeah? Yeah. He also is a producer
Baby Geniuses on the Expendables franchise,on the lucrative Baby Geniuses franchise. Jesus,
Um talk about somebody who's just failedupwards, right, I have to,
I actually have to. I knewabout Baby Geniuses like one, two

(01:32:42):
or two. I did not knowthere was like Baby Geniuses and the Mystery
of the Crown Jewels and Baby Geniusesand the Treasure of Egypt. Had no
idea about that. That's that's incredibleto me. Um, And it's incredible
to me. How like someone inHollywood can veer from producing Strider one and
two, two, Baby Geniuses,two Expendables four to Ghost in the Shell

(01:33:05):
Like he's all over the place.Yeah, that's crazy, ain't what he's
producing? Let me see did yousee that? The director also directed this
movie called night Vision with your girlCynthia Rothrock. He did one of one
of Cynthia Rothrock's worst movies. Shedoes. It's got Robert Forrester and it's

(01:33:28):
got Williamson, Fred Williamson in it, but not not a good movie.
Uh, sadly, I'll take itoff. I'll take it off my list.
Well, I mean, you know, you come on. But no,
So st most was all in onthis movie. Oh yeah, yeah,
and he's you know, he's fine, he's John Stamos. He's you
know, quite quick witted, handsome, you know whatever. Um, but

(01:33:53):
no, he was, like inreality, he was all into this movie.
He thought this was going to behis huge break. Yeah. Uh
he was. You know, hetrained to become a gymnast for this movie.
Yep, yep. That's pretty wildactually, which is phenomenal. Um.
He said that meeting Vanity was quitea trip. She was in the
midst of her sort of let's justsay, enjoying of the libations and the

(01:34:18):
drugs at the time. Yeah.Um, and I just I just want
to take a quick second and saythat Vanity like, I'm sorry, but
the teenage boy is going to comeout in me right now, it Vanity?
She like, yeah, she's likea fucking fifteen dude. She she

(01:34:42):
like, I mean even in Um, I know her best from The Last
Dragon. I'd actually never seen herin any other movies before. And The
Last Dragon is another one's great init. She's great. It's fantastical.
But again, it doesn't make aa sense, but you go with it.
It's it's such a great movie.But she's yeah, she's just she's

(01:35:04):
gorgeous. I don't know a lotabout her. I don't know her.
She came from ground from she wasa dancer for Prince Okay, so she
and she had a couple of songsI believe on the soundtrack for this.
She is a Canadian model. Sheis part of old girls Vanity six.

(01:35:30):
Wow. I believe she was discoveredby Prince I believe. What was the
name of the of the girl groupVanity six six six, No, just
the number six Okay. She's fromNiagara Falls, Ontario, Canada. Wow.
She is of African, American andGerman descent. And uh she is

(01:35:59):
now by passed away. Yeah,a couple of years ago, right.
She quit acting in ninety five andbecame a born again Christian Okay, and
denounced her former life as a sultryWell that's too bad, the former of
weird and wonderful female characters who rarelywore bras. Yeah. Yeah, so

(01:36:24):
back to that, I was veryvery I don't know why, but I
was just that I didn't expect that, probably because I don't know. It
probably has to do with the factthat I didn't I don't I don't know
much about her filmography and I've nevermet I had never seen her in any
other movies aside from The Last Dragon. And you know, obviously she doesn't
take her top off in the LastDragon. So when it happened in this

(01:36:45):
movie. I was like, WHOAreally? Also because I thought this movie
was probably more of a PG.Thirteen type of great type of romp in
a way. Um, So thatwas surprising to me that that that there
was a little bit of nudity inthis But yeah, she's I mean apparently
when she met John Stamos in notime at all, as he said in

(01:37:06):
an interview about this movie back whenthis movie was lost. I want to
say that Hollywood Reporter did an articleon it, I think in four oh
five and asked Stamos and Gene Simmonsabout it, and Stamos was fine with
it. He hopes that this becomesthe cult film that he always wanted it.

(01:37:30):
He thinks it would be fun ifit became a cult film, and
it has certainly within a small group. But Gene Simmons, as you say,
hates that he was in it.Every time it comes up a fan
asked him about it, He's like, you saw that piece of shit,
Like he's not in it at all. Vanity never responded to Hollywood Reporter's request

(01:37:53):
for interviews in four She was beyondthat stuff. She was beyond that stuff
of that pass um. So wedon't know what she thought about it.
Um, but Stamos was all inon it, Gene Simmons like gives us
wild performance. Um. I lovethe Stamos still, you know, like

(01:38:15):
like still wants it to become likea cult classic, you know what I
mean, because like it's because ofwhere he's at and in his like,
in his career status now, Likeit would be so easy for him to
be just like you know, dolike the Clooney and be like, oh,
Batman or Robin, it's fucking terribleblah blah blah. But I like
that he uh it kind of embracesit. Yeah. Well, I mean

(01:38:38):
at least Clooney backs up like returningthe Killer Tomatoes, Like Clooney at least
will say positive things about that,but it will say negative things about ship
that he doesn't like. Yeah.Helen Hunt, equally a big fan of
having started out in Trances, doesnot deny her Trance's beginnings came back for
Trances three. Even so she waseven though she was already on Mad About

(01:39:02):
You and had starred in a fewmade for TV movies that had still came
back and did Trance is two andthree. Baby, Helen Hunt, loving
days I go back to the QuarterbackPrincess Quarterback Princess Helen Hunt. Just talking
about that the other day. Ifound that on DVD for Kim. Wow,

(01:39:25):
there is a VHS rip DVD outthere that I found officially put out,
but it's still just a rip ofthe VHS. And I got that
for I think a Christmas or abirthday or or something for Kim. She's
she's a fan of that movie.I haven't seen it in a long time,
but I remember it. But yeah, Helen Hunt with her Trance's Days,
but no, I mean Vanity forthe movie. She was in a

(01:39:46):
fifty two pickup with Roy Scheider.She's in Action Jackson with Carl Weathers.
I got to see that. Ihaven't seen that. That is another phenomenally
baffling movie she's in. Uh,She's in Last Dragon, as we mentioned,
which was Barry Gordy production, oneof my favorites. With Taimac.

(01:40:10):
I love Tim. Yeah, whoI've met, I've met. I want
to meet him. I want tomeet him. Good guys, Tamak.
He was at the Urban Action Showcasethe year that I Owen Freel from from
the Action Elite website, were boththere and we met Cynthia Rothrock. I
remember that. I remember, Iremember seeing the pictures The Dragon Wilson and

(01:40:32):
Gloria Hendry Bond girl from Livland dieBack. Did you know that Timac was
the first celebrity guest referee for oneof the first UFC I did not know
the events. Yeah, I thinkit was UFC two. He was like
the celebrity guest referee. And whatI love about that movie Last Dragon is

(01:40:56):
that both Tamac and Vanity go byone name. I know what it means.
So good, it's so good andthey could get away with it.
Very few people share Madonna Vanity Taimack. There's not many else Seal Seal Shaw
day o, good Lord, goodloud, but no Vanity definitely a smoke

(01:41:18):
show um and uh and and gamefor anything, it seems, Yeah for
sure, totally, yeah, definitely. I mean, I cannot imagine the
scene where Gene Simmons puts his eighthtongue exactly into her mouth. I can't

(01:41:38):
imagine house. I can't believe thateven happened. I can't believe she allowed
that. Actually rewounded and watched itagain because I couldn't believe that it was
Do you think he was going todo that or he just didn't. I
don't know, I don't know,it's discussed. I mean, as you
said, she was at the heightof her you know, user era apparently,

(01:41:58):
so that doesn't mean that Jeans couldjust take she was Maybe she was
just like, well Gene Simmons fromKiss, you know, it's that's that's
that's an iconic tongue, so mightas well just let it go wherever it
was that still, Yeah, Imean it's it's absolutely a horrible, sweaty,
pink levite tongue. God. Yeah, yeah, that was that was

(01:42:19):
That was a wild scene for sure. So yeah, the movie is absolutely
I mean, it doesn't make itbecause but it's fun. This is a
movie that barrels along. You're notwaiting around for stuff to happen. H
Horseman is up a bond, someoneelse is blowing up a nightclub. Vanity

(01:42:39):
is being strapped to a smelting table. For me, the one uh section
of the movie where it really sloweddown for me and just became kind of
like what are we doing here?And you might laugh at this, but
it was it was the um seductionscene. Yes, yes, yeah,
it's just like because you're watching,he goes in, he comes out,

(01:43:01):
he goes in, he comes out, he goes in, he comes out.
It's like, you know, itjust takes a long time. Well
so what so what happens is toset the scene for people the thing.
Carruthers, also known as Velvet vonRagna, working for the company, says
we will use Vanity and Staymos aspawns to attract Ragna to the thing,

(01:43:25):
which is really just Carruthers saying I'mgoing to hang around this kid and hope
that he reveals where the disk isbecause the whole movie, Ragna wants this
disc that apparently controls this thing that'sgoing to let them put poison in the
water supply for no Also, he'sapparently going to hold the city to ransom
before putting them to putting poison thewater supply. But he never does that.

(01:43:45):
He never like sends a ransom toanyone. He never tells any city
officials, no one ever gets involved. He's just about the poison the water
supply, like there's no I don'tknow how he plans to get money for
anything like that. The whole thingis weird, but anyway, he says,
let's go back to star Groves Farmin Ohi. Right, he's in

(01:44:06):
the farm in Ohi and he watcheswith binoculars as Vanity and Stamos mill about
on the deck, and then theyhave this moment where Vanity is sort of
saying like, but I love you, and it's you know, I like
you a lot, and it's moreto me than just this spy thing that

(01:44:29):
we're embroiled in and lah lah dahda da, and he goes to kiss
her, and then he thinks betterof it and he kind of wanders off.
So she's like, wait a minute, no man turns me down,
and she wanders off, gets intoa skimpy outfit, then takes that outfit
off to reveal an even skimpier bikini, lies down on a lounger, a
deck lounger, and proceeds to oilherself up. And while she's oiling herself

(01:44:54):
up, Stamos has a bit ofbusiness that is meant to be him resist
it's meant to be this whole thingwhere she is like, oh no,
you don't miss the Stamos. Weare going to be making the beasts with
two backs, whether you like itor not. And he's like, I
don't know about that, so he'strying to hang around. He drinks a
bottle of Perryer, bites into anapple, two apples. There's no real

(01:45:15):
thought into it. It's just it'sjust staymost go into the kitchen, grab
something come out. Ye, goback into the kitchen, grab something else,
come out. While trying to resistvanity. The whole thing goes on
too long. It's meant to bethis sort of comical seduction, but neither
of them are really adept at comedy, so it just comes across as a
sort of it's cringe worthy. It'ssort of what it is, because you

(01:45:40):
want to be aroused by vanity,but then it cuts to Stamos eating an
apple and you're like, oh,no, I'm not aroused anymore. Yeah,
I mean I was watching I waswatching it work, um, so
I had to. But but thiswas where like, this was where I
stopped it because I was just like, oh, I'm kind of I'm kind

(01:46:02):
of bored right now, so I'lljust stop it here. And then I
picked it. I picked it upagain the next the next night, having
fast forwarded through the frolicking or no, no, no, I washed all
the frolickings I have I have aprivate office. Yeah. What I liked
about it was that the scene startswith Carruthers looking through his binoculars. It's

(01:46:26):
a long old scene. They goinside and have what is presumably a prolonged
sexual experience, and then it comesback and stay most just goes let's go
again, and then it cuts outsideand Carruthers is still looking through his binoculars.
I remember that part, so,yeah, he's still looking through his

(01:46:47):
binoculars, which makes the whole sequencesort of even more bizarre. It's almost
like whenever they can take something inthis movie and make it just a notch
weirder. Yeah, they do.But unlike unlike Teenagent, there is no

(01:47:09):
surprises here. When he finds outhis dad's a secret agent, it doesn't
seem like a big surprise to him. When he gets embroiled in the plot,
he has no problem, Yeah,following Vanity to the nightclub, he
has no problem shooting people at thewarehouse. He's in it to win it.

(01:47:30):
At that point. There's no attemptto make him much more of a
character other than oh, remember thathe can do gymnastics, by the way,
right right, And then he barelyis I guess in a way a
lot like Gotcha doesn't really use thoseskills till the end of the film,

(01:47:51):
the very end of the movie,when he does a flip and pulls Ragna
off the damn. Um. I'mthinking, so this this movie, um,
because if only because of the boardingschool setting for him in the beginning,

(01:48:13):
his roommate who makes the gadgets.Yeah, Um, it reminded me
in a way a lot of theJames Bond Junior cartoon okay, which I
don't know if you've ever seen before, but it was spectacular. Um and
it has, but it shares someDNA with this movie, I guess.

(01:48:35):
And yeah, just in a waythat there it's you know, it's James
Bond Junior and he's at boarding schooland his roommate's name is IQ and makes
all his gadgets and he gets embroiledin um you know, little storylines with
Agents of scum O the name ofthe group in that movie. But it's

(01:48:56):
like odd Jobs in it and Jawsand all the more the like the larger
than life type characters. But Imean it's only got one season, um,
and and it was let me seehow many episodes that was? Um,
but it kind of it kind ofsorted me, kind of sorted me,
kind of sort of reminded me ofthe James Bond Junior cartoon just because

(01:49:19):
of those you know, a fewfew things, few similarities. Um.
Actually looks like there was a fairamount of sixty sixty five episodes in a
first season. Wow. Um.But I yeah, I would suggest that
you you check it out if youcan. I wasn't sure if you had
seen it before, but yeah,James Bond Junior was on in nineteen ninety

(01:49:41):
one. Wow. No, Iwould definitely check that out. I would
definitely check that out. And yeah, it's some classic. This falls into
the reason why I championed this movieand the reason why I I've I've reviewed
it on most show. I'm reviewingit on this show. Um, I've
posted about it on several occasions.It's because if you were ever to get

(01:50:03):
a movie like this today, itwould be done as an obviously goofy comedy.
It wouldn't have this thing of no, no, no, we're playing
this like this world exists. Theworld that we are in is the world
that we are in. We're notgoing to overly explain it to you.
We're not parodying anything specific. Youknow, the bad guy in our movie

(01:50:29):
is a hermaphrodite drag queen who istrying to poison the water of California,
played by Gene Simmons from Kiss,who also doubles as a ginger bearded crazy
person from the CIA. And youknow, John Stamos and Vanity are gonna
save the day. And that's themovie you're watching. And oh, by
the way, he has a boyfriendcalled Pyramid who looks like a man horse.

(01:50:54):
And that's that's the movie we're watching. And you're either down with that
movie or you're not. And Ithink there's a certain and if you're not,
yeah, fuck you. But it'slike any I mean, you know,
Big Trumblin, Little China, LastDragon, Uh, Goonies. You
know someone was posting today. Ithink my friend Jeffrey X Martin was posting
on Facebook to fast like just wewatched Goonies again. It's a deeply weird

(01:51:17):
film, like when you stop andlook at it as an adult um and
uh yeah, there's just there's aninventive, creative stream running through it that
that just makes me go, sureeveryone was on cocaine and everyone was just
coming up with Matt bs to do. But I'd much rather watch this movie

(01:51:40):
again than, you know, thanthe modern equivalent, because the modern equivalent
would either be wouldn't be well,it would be so knowing everyone would be
nodding and winking at the you know, um, you know, be an
Adam Sounder type thing, which I'mnot against, but they're very definitely the
comedies. This is not a comedy. There is comedy in it, and

(01:52:03):
it knows what it's doing, butit is a It is a yeah,
and the fact that it's our ratedjust kind of blows. I'm just like,
really, you went to make thismovie and you've put enough nudity and
blood in it, it's to beour rate. Yeah. He has his
giant coke fingernail that he kills peoplewith so good. So I have to

(01:52:28):
give a quick shout out to thegentleman who plays George Lasenby's lawyer in the
movie, John Anderson. Okay,what's he from? If you're a fan
of the original mcgiver TV series,he played mcgiver's grandfather in that show,
Harry Jackson, and who is nota fan of mcgiver, Oh god,

(01:52:53):
favorite show of all time? Thattheme song went on for twenty minutes.
I mean, it was such agood theme sound, but it's half the
show. Bro Like me, listen, Me and my buddy. We were
I'm and this is I'm dead serious. We were in kindergarten. We were
obsessed with mcgiver. My buddy's parentswere very, very trusting and let him

(01:53:18):
own a Swiss army knife. Hebrought a Swiss army knife. How old
were you in kindergari that he couldown a Swiss army knife. Yeah,
And he brought it with him toschool and this other kid, Derek Derek,
Derek knocked him out and he gotin trouble for bringing his knife.
But it was just like that.I remember the teacher held it up and

(01:53:39):
was like, oh, these aredangerous. You shouldn't bring these a school,
blah blah blah. I wasn't abig deal. And I think and
that that that brings me back tothe whole gotcha thing when we were talking
about you know, get guns thatlook real being on a college campus.
Wow, my buddy brought a SwissArmy knife to school when we were in
kindergarten. So, and when Iwas at junior school, a friend of

(01:54:00):
a friend of mine brought a pornographicVHS tape from his grandfather's shed into school
and we watched at Scott during areligious studies lesson frightening, wasn't it.
Yeah, while the teacher let usgo off to the six poon common room,
which had a video player. Listen. He thought we were watching Jesus

(01:54:26):
of Nazareth starring Robert Powell, whocouldn't be whiter if he tried, and
instead we were watching nineteen seventies pornography. So if you want to know why
I am a heathen, yeah,that's why it is because at the early
age of nine years old, thatis what I was subjected to. Listen.

(01:54:51):
Man, I weep for the kidswho were born post two thousand,
because it's at your fingertips now.Man, there's no there's no like,
there's no struggle anymore, no toto find you know, videos and photos.
You don't have to go out toa railway siding somewhere to find a

(01:55:15):
magazine in the head exactly for me, it was like the older kids.
Oh, man, I know theseolder kids, they have a stash up
in the woods, always in thewood at the town field or whatever.
You know what I mean it's it'sthese these these kids nowadays. Man,
they're not they're not going to knowthe struggle, and they're gonna take it
for granted and it's gonna be toowell, they're not gonna watch it because

(01:55:35):
they're too busy, uh, youknow, fighting for human rights or something.
Dare they They'd be like, youknow, pornography denigrates women and blah
blah blah blah blah. You can'tpossibly watch that, Like what about gay
pornography? Does that? It's notsupposed to think about those things when you're

(01:55:55):
watching it, man, right,they get paid with Uh if if if
it wasn't if it if people didn'tlike it, why does so many people
upload homemade see? Why is?Why is homemade stuff? If? If
humans aren't naturally curious, voyeuristic,weird sexually, why does it exist?

(01:56:16):
It exists because it's part of whowe are, and if we don't wrestle
and acknowledge that, then we aredoomed as a as a as an animal
terms with it. Gotta come toterms with the sick, dark moments of
the soul and relish in them asmuch as you can. Sounded like,
just then don't say that what don'tdon't don't love in with Cosby? Sick

(01:56:43):
duck? I didn't. Maybe thatwas the Eddie Murphy impression of Bill Cosby.
There, I'm not, Yeah,I'm not doing any I don't.
I can't. I would never deignto do a Bill Cosby impression. I
could do it as walk and I, oh, you know you've got to

(01:57:04):
Um there you go, Yeah,come to terms with the dock pots of
the salt. I could do that. Um. I like that better,
thank you? Um, So whatare we saying about? What are we
saying? Buddy? Five out offive? I think I gave it?

(01:57:27):
Did you like it? Did youlike it? I did? I did
like it. I enjoyed it.Um. It wasn't at all what I
expected. No, Um. Iwas kind of surprised that it was a
little bit more, uh like alittle bit more spoofy and wacky than If
Looks Could Kill was. But IfLooks Could Kill came later, right,

(01:57:49):
yeah, came several years later.Like I want to say, If Looks
Could Kill was eighty nine something,I think, right yeah, Um,
but I gave it on on thegood old Uh. I was gonna say,
untapped, that's my beer. Ratingapp on the Good Old Letterbox.
I gave it a three out offive. That's fair, that's fair,

(01:58:11):
that's fair for a first time watch. And I feel like this is probably
the flip right, So you don'thave any history of this movie. This
was the first time watch. Youdidn't know what to expect, and therefore
you were probably about like, WHOA, what's going on? Yeah? And
I feel like I was the samewith Gotcha in a sense, but in
almost in the flip sense, isthat I was probably expecting Gotcha to be
goofier than it was. Ah,and you were probably expecting never too young

(01:58:32):
today to be more serious than itmaybe a little yeah, still just a
nudge. I certainly didn't expect GeneSimmons to be all Gene Simmons. Yeah,
all who mapph diting it all overthe place. You know, it's
great, Like and like, I'mserious when I say he's my favorite part
of the movie, Like he everytime he's on screen, I'm just like

(01:58:53):
my eye my eyes are glued toit. I can't I can't take my
eyes off. And apparently, well, when he was going to form in
the drag club, all of thepeople in there were real drag performers,
and they all helped him out andpointed him in the right direction of what
he should be doing in his portrayal. Fantastic, He's fantastic. V Rang

(01:59:15):
Now, um yeah, I justdon't you know, I want to This
is one of those movies where Iwant to get everyone's still alive involved in
the movie in a room and justask them endless questions about what was going,
how did you come up with this? Why where did you cast Horseman?

(01:59:35):
What's the history of horse horse Man? Are you in the room?
You're in the room? Great Horseman? Why was this the only movie?
Like, I'm just fascinated by it? And there are there any um,
are there any good extras on theBlu Ray that shop? None? And
again that it disappoints me because it's, um they usually do pretty good stuff.

(01:59:56):
They do. First of all,they do pretty good stuff. And
secondly, as I said, there'sthis article from a Hollywood reporter on one
of those that West Stamos says hekind of wants this to become a thing.
So I'm like, when Schampon Factoryput the Blue Ray out, like
get on board, staymos, giveus a give us an interview or a
commentary or something. I want toknow about it. I want to know

(02:00:17):
about I want to know if theyreached out to him or not. I
mean I would have to I wouldhave to assume they would that they would
have reached out to or maybe Idon't know. Maybe it was one of
those things where it was just like, oh, not many people know what
this movie is, so let's justget it out. We just let's just
get it out and see what happened. Well, I'm glad they did,
but I'm gonna buy it. I'mgonna buy it for sure. I would
be happy to have this be afilm in my collection that I revisit,

(02:00:42):
you know, every other year orsomething like that. I do think Stamoss
would ever come on my show,but you know, the likes of Gooden,
Bag and Well have come on myshow, but I don't know.
Stamos is his own thing. Ialso felt a little bad because obviously he
just had the great loss of hisis uh a good friend and on screen

(02:01:03):
partner, Bob Saget. Yeah,just had the sad loss of Bob Saget
Uh recently, and he's been tweetingabout that, and I didn't want to.
I tagged him in one tweet aboutthis, but I didn't want to
be like, yeah, hey,Johnny, do an interview doing an interview
like I didn't want to do thatbecause I you know, he's going he's

(02:01:23):
grieving at the momentum. It doesn'tmean that in the future I won't reach
out six months from now and belike case to most, ye, come
on the aftermovie, let's talk upsome never too young to Die. I
mean, he seems like a genuinelygood guy, So yeah, that would
be a fun That would definitely AndI just don't know if if he's ever

(02:01:45):
gonna he would ever come on theshow. What other movies, if any
has has the most done. He'sin My Big Fat Greek Wedding two.
I think I tried to watch thatbecause I love the first movie. Yeah,
um, but yeah, I thinkI tried to watch the second one

(02:02:08):
and I didn't just do it.I think he's more of a small screen
actor. Yeah, and he's great. He's a great TV actor. He
was in that's his other one.Born to Ride is the other one.
In ninety one, he attempts againto do the US Army recruits a delinquent

(02:02:30):
biker to train their new motorcycle squadfor an michell. Okay, um Stamos
Stockwell and Terry Polo Born Born toRide. That was the only other time
that Stamos decided to uh. Hewas in the Tales from the Crypt episode

(02:02:51):
decided to wade into the world ofCorporal Grady Westfall. Great name, dude.
So maybe we need to watch Bornto Ride at some point in the
future and do us to most followup. I think that's probably a good
idecause I've never seen it. Iwas aware of it, but I have
never seen it, and I wantto. I'm intrigued that he did this

(02:03:14):
and then six years later was like, I don't know, let's try and
do like, let's try and breakthrough again, but this time with Born
to Ride, like it's just Andthen he never does another movie until like
later when he plays himself in privateparts. And I do remember him from
his appearance in the in an Alicein Wonderland TV miniseries that I do have

(02:03:36):
on DVD actually from nineteen eighty five. Yep, yep. It's a very
very weird interpretation of that story,but I enjoy it quite a bit.
He is in The Beach Boys musicvideo for the song Kokomo from the movie
Cocktail plays himself in private parts.He does yeah, dropping out, what's

(02:03:58):
dropping out? Plays a character namedRonnie and dropping out, Oh god,
this looks terrible, looks depressing.Yeah, I don't think i'd want to
watch that. He might maybe heplays like a like a teacher or something.
My best friends were wife. Heplays himself and run Ronnie, ron

(02:04:23):
they missed a show. Movie isthat's affectionately known as yeah just the most
man wow kind of like a bootlegGeorge Clooney in a way, you know.
And I only I say that inthe nicest way possible because and the
only thing that makes me say thatis because Clooney got his start on Er

(02:04:45):
and then left and then the Mostcame on too er in the later seasons.
Yeah, and they kind of havethe same you know again, they
kind of kind of have the samekind of look. Yeah, Yeah,
they've got that that certainly as youngerman, they were darker and Brudia Clooney
gave the movie thing more of ago back in the day because Clooney did

(02:05:06):
movies, movies, movies took earlike with some trepidation, not knowing what
it would be became the biggest thingever, and then parlied that back into
bigger and better movies. But what'sincredible, Clooney is that the three movies
he does at the Gate from R, One Fine Day, The Peacemaker,

(02:05:26):
and Batman and Robin, all ofwhich bomb, none of them are like
successes for him. So he musthave just been like, I cannot like
I cannot catch a break in movieslike I do. Ea. I then
get the chance to do a MichellePiffer movie and Nicole Kidman movie and fucking
the fourth Batman movie, and hemust just think I Am King of the

(02:05:47):
Hill and every single one of them. Now, One Fine Day has got
its fans love, but it wasnot a big success at the time and
obvious and from dust told On wasn'tvery big either. Well that was one
of the first or was that laterthat was? I think it was,

(02:06:09):
Oh gosh, it was during R. I think that was. I think
that was on the break from R. I think, yeah, I can't
release I can't find it, onlybecause Tarantino comes back and shoots an episode
of Yeah later on, right,that's right. Yeah, R started in
ninety four from dust ald On camein ninety six. Uh yeah, ninety

(02:06:34):
six. Yeah so but then hebut in his very early career, he
was on a comedy series called rDash. He Stroka, Yeah he Dash.
Yeah. Yeah. He's been intwo, He's been in There's been
so many TV series called ear thatGeorge Clooney has been in two of them.

(02:06:57):
Yea, but yes, Stamos andNever Too Young to Die. I
don't know if we did it justice, but people should rush out and watch
this movie. It's a fun watchit is, and I love shining a
light on it because I wish,no, I don't wish movies like this.
I just I just want people torealize that there are more things on

(02:07:20):
heaven and Earth than a dreamt ofin your reality. And this is one
of those movies that, to mefalls under a movie that you couldn't dream
up if you wanted to. Youwould need these people at that particular time
in the wedding, with a bunchof cocaine and probably some hard liquor and

(02:07:42):
probably a weird Hollywood sex party,and then you come up with this movie.
I want to know about the guywho plays the horseman. I just
want to find him. I wantto interview him, find him. I
want to know if Gene Simmons evertouched him inappropriately and why that's whether that's
why he left the business so horrifiedto see by Simmons's tongue that he ran

(02:08:05):
to Ohio never to be seen again. Now he owns a goat farm.
I hope paulst Ohio. Now beforewe before we close things out here,
I wanted to ask you a question. I wanted to ask you if you
had any other movies that fit thisthis genre. But maybe don't warrant an

(02:08:30):
episode as of yet. I've gotone. Oh give us your one,
then, sir, so my onethat it was actually mentioned on the socials
by a friend of mine. Andit's a film called The Double O Kid.
Okay, stars one of your favorites, Corey Hame, the late great
Corey Hame, not one of myfavorites. And if I if I'm a

(02:08:54):
Corey guy, a toll it's Feldman. But but there you get. I
think I think it was I thinkit was an HBO movie. I don't
it never hit theaters? If never, you know whatever, um, but
Corey Hame plays like a high schoolage kid or maybe early college I think

(02:09:16):
it's high school late late high schoolage kid who gets an internship with the
CIA and gets embroiled in this littleplot. Um. It also stars Nicole
Eggert, so it's the power coupleNicole Eggert and Corey Hame before they went
on to star in a softcore pornwith each other called blown Away. No,

(02:09:37):
not the Jeff Bridges movie. It'scalled blown Away and it's a softcore
porn own. It was one ofthe first ones I ever saw. And
it's magnificent. Um who did CoAstyle with Cynthia roth Rock in two movies,
Fosse Getaway and Fosse Getaway Too.Great stuff. Yeah, well no,
I mean he is a he isjust he is. He's Corey Hame

(02:10:00):
though. Yeah, but I don'tunderstand The Lost Boys. Yeah, Lucas
Lucas is a great Corey Hame film. Um. I also have I gotta
give give a shout out to WallaceSean who's also in this movie. Wallace
Shan from Princess Bride and Brigitte Nielsenis in this movie as well. But
I think it's it's I think it'sworth a watch, but it doesn't necessarily

(02:10:24):
I don't think warrant an episode speakingabout it. But it is a good,
um, you know, maybe agood sea level entry into this little
But there's a whole bunch of moremodern ones, right, There's stuff like
Agent Cody Bang Kids and Cody BangKids and that was Um, wasn't the
tuxedo the Jackie chan Wane. Wasn'tthat sort of one. I gotta look

(02:10:48):
up this other one too. Um. I'm not interested if they if they
passed the nineties, I'm only interestedin eighties and nineties. Okay, yeah,
kids go spying. Um. ThisThe other one that I was thinking
about was the one. It's calledabduction with Taylor Lautner from from With Your

(02:11:13):
Abduction. I hope you get abductedand never come to text. Um.
Yeah, there's not a lot ofthem, which is surprising to me.
I mean I used to have recurringdreams of like me and my buddy,
like terrorists took over our school andso me and my buddy have to blow

(02:11:33):
Yeah, me and my buddy haveto blow our cover and be like,
oh shit, we're spies and wehave like a trunk full of guns and
stuff. And then we just gointo the school and you know, take
care of the terrorists and stuff.Yeah uh kill yeah, hell yeah,
yeah, um yeah. It's umthe teen movie thing. It's another one

(02:11:56):
of those things where the parallel betweenthe eighties and the fifties there's this weird
parallel. But like the fifties wasthe height of like the teen movie,
the teen biker movie, the teenyou know movies, speech movies, the
team I was a teenage werewolf,that kind of movie, and into the
sixties as well. But the fiftiesand sixties kind of had that team culture

(02:12:18):
came to the four it did withmusic, it did with movies, you
know. And then the seventies,the late sixties, the seventies become very
adult and everything becomes very somber andvery serious. And then by about the
mid eighties again the teens have takenover, you know. And then with
the Tarantino thing and some of theothers in the nineties, you've got then

(02:12:39):
a wave of sort of more adultmovies. And now I don't know,
like now every movie is a familymovie. Like they don't make adult or
teen movies anymore. It's just alla soupy mess of family friendly. But
no, it's where the eighties andfifth these kind of meat is that is

(02:13:01):
their their teen focused films. Um. And uh, there's got to be
a couple of others knocking about outthere that we don't know about. From
from the from the day, fromback in the day. Um, but
these are the four that I thinkpeople are going to be most familiar with.

(02:13:22):
I think one of my friends mentionedthe movie Hiding Out, which is
a which is a I love themovie. Um, it's got John Cryer
and uh, okay, okay,you know that movie so so so wait.
I know nothing about Hiding Out exceptthat we have an Australian listener who

(02:13:43):
for years, and I'm not kiddingyou asked you to do an episode years
for years and years and years havehas very patiently and graciously waited for us
to do an episode on Hiding Out. We've never done an episode on Hiding
Out. Okay, I have,in fact, just recently he when I

(02:14:05):
was I think when I was talkingat the end of last year about the
fact that, uh, you know, Jim wasn't go to the show anymore
and I was going to kind ofgo out and talk to people again and
do different movies with different guest hostsand things like that. Shane A.
Bassett from Australia. I believe whois at movie Analyst? Is that on

(02:14:31):
Twitter? He's never done an ATbefore? Is he on Twitter? I
didn't know he was on Twitter?Hang on, Oh, let's delve deep
into Shane A. Bassett for asecond, because well, you know what,
I'd be down for doing an episodewe could. I've got two movies
there. He doesn't even follow me. He's been writing to me forever and

(02:14:52):
he doesn't even follow me. Hey, Shane Adam Bassett, why don't you
follow me on Twitter? You've writtento me I don't know how many times
about doing Just recently he said,I miss you and Jim talking. But
I get it while you're having specialguests to continue cheers mate. And then
the subject line of the email isif you need a guest, let's do

(02:15:13):
hiding at well. Then you knowwhat? All right? Maybe you're never
doing it. It's a whole thingyou can do, so Hi hiding out
well. I like I was saying. It was mentioned by one of my
buddies. It doesn't really fit thegenre. It's more it's a it's a
different I can only off the topof my head, I can only think
of two movies where guys go undercoverin a high school hiding out as one

(02:15:39):
of them. John Cryer Keith Cooganis in that movie as well. Um,
what's it about. It's about aguy who's, Um, I don't
know nothing. I think he's likehe's like a Wall Street No, he's
like a tax accountant. And Ithink he's like a tax accountant first for
like a mom, I don't know, a mobster or something like that.
And something goes wrong and he hasto go quote unquote hide out. So

(02:16:03):
he hides out at his cousins highschool, okay, pretends to be a
high school or basically right. Um, his name in the movie is Maxwell
Houser and he gets that name froma can of Maxwell House coffee. It
is. This is the kind ofgenius we're talking about. So back in
twenty nineteen, August of twenty nineteen, I thought he was a lot longer

(02:16:24):
ago. But but back in Augustof twenty nineteen, Shane Bassett wrote good
Day Boys Love the Show All theWay from the Future about nineteen hours ahead
and of Ny from Sydney. Iremember a few episodes back. Someone requested
eighties movie Hiding Out for the twoof you mates to discuss. I'll second
that as it's pretty decent, forgottenby many retro film anyway, keep up
the good work. Jim is aclassic sounding bloke. I enjoy his outrageously

(02:16:46):
convincing views. And John is hilariousand a genius. We are definitely alike.
Oh he names he names me agenius. Name goes and I am
like you, sir, I too, am a genius. Is hilarious.
And then he says, listening toyou, guys, order is disturbingly addictive.
Always keen to hear your choices.Cheers, mate. I'm a movie
analyst who admires your great shows.Vibe, BookSmart Episode one of your recent

(02:17:11):
best. So that was the firstemail. We then got another one in
June of twenty twenty, another onelater in June of twenty twenty, another
one in December of twenty twenty.Ut they all want me to do hiding.
Oh my god. When we didBurn Hollywood Burn the Eric Idol movie,

(02:17:33):
he sent me a enormous photo ofthe VHS that he has of He's
I mean listen. I love aregular listener. I love getting emails.
I wish more people would email usI think it's hilarious that he has been
asking for two years for us tobed out and I just brought it up.

(02:17:56):
We've never done it. I leaveit. I leave it. Dangling
in a distance is as a possibility, as a possibility, as a as
a possible future episode. I wouldsay, we could do Hiding Out and
then we could do this other movie, this John cry and Dudes. Yeah,
it's another John Cryer movie that II know of because I've seen the

(02:18:16):
posta but have never seen it.I have no interest in seeing it.
But it's another junk cry movie,Dudes and Hiding Out, and maybe I'm
missing a big trick with the wholedrunk cry thing. I only know him
from Pretty and Pink, and hemakes me want to slap him about the
face and neck with a ham savage. The other the other movie that I
was thinking about. The other filmthat I was thinking about is a movie
called Plane Clothes, which stars ArlessHoward. You know Arless Howard. The

(02:18:43):
only other movie I know him fromis well two two things. I know
him from Full Metal Jacket and thismade for TV movie that starts Coronemic called
I Know. My first name isStephen and that was Okay, that was
a strange one. But plain Clothesis a classic, and I'll just say
I'll say no more. Holy shit, Springsteen just popped the principle. That's

(02:19:09):
a classic line from Plain Clothes becausehe says that he he gives himself the
classic name of Nick Springsteen when hegoes undercover at the high school. So
so those so that one night out, I guess it's undercover high school.
So that flips it on its head. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of the

(02:19:33):
high school are going out into theworld, this is the world coming into
the high school. There you ohshoot, yeah, exactly, yes,
wow, okay cool to prove hisbrother's innocence undercover officer Nick and rolls in
high school again, dealing with crushes, bullies, humiliation, popularity, swings,
and quirky teaches and staff to finda real murderer. So good,

(02:19:54):
directed by none other than Martha Coolidge, who also directed Valley Girls and Real
Genius. Fantastic So food for thoughtman, And yes, I do own
a DVD copy of The Double OldKid, signed by the great Corey Hame

(02:20:18):
I do, I really do.Okay, he was great, It was
fun to meet. It was acouple of years before he died, and
uh, it seemed like he wasmore excited to meet me than I was
to meet him. It was very, very enjoyable. I actually brought like
six or seven different movies of histhat I owned, and I was like,

(02:20:39):
I brought all of these, youpick which one you want to sign?
And he picked The Double Old Kidbecause he said it was the first
time he'd ever seen a physical copyof it. Wow, here you go,
dude signed it. He signed itto Scott Secrets Rule Corey Hame.
Wow. Wow. Yeah. Ilove. I love things like that,

(02:21:01):
And listen, I may have saidbad things about Corey, but I will
take anyone who shows up at aconvention and it gets in the full spirit
of the thing. Yea. Toooften you go up to a famous person
at the convention to get something signed, or to talk to him, or
to get a picture or whatever,and they act like it's a huge imposition.
And I always say to myself,then why are you he that?

(02:21:22):
Exactly? Now? He was awesome. He was super gracious, and like
I said, it was like itmade my day because it really did seem
like he was more excited to meetme than I was to meet him.
It was it was it was cool. And then after after he signed it,
he was like, oh man,he's like, you gotta go find
um one of his co stars fromThe Lost Boys. He wasn't one of
the big costars co stars, butit was one of the you know,

(02:21:45):
I forget what the guy's name was, but he's like, oh, so
and so is here. You gotto go find him and show and show
him this because he was like myassistant at the time that I filmed this
movie, and he would get areal kick out of it. So I
went and found him and he alsogot like a big kick out of it.
So it was cool. It wasa fun It was a cool moment.
Yeah, a bit of double okid little fandom there, Yeah,

(02:22:07):
little little moment there, which isalways love it. I love hearing convention
stories and I like hearing that peoplewho might seem punchable on screen are really
nice people in reality. And listen, we know what he went through.
The cars went through a nightmare thatyou wouldn't wish on anybody. Um,

(02:22:28):
but uh and hopefully that that doesnot continue in the Cards of Power.
But oh so that that was actuallythe other thing I was going to bring
up, but I didn't get toit was, um, go go check
out that interview with Linda Fiorentino andDavid Letterman. Well she even gets kind
of feisty with Letterman a little bit, which is, well, he used

(02:22:48):
to be a bit of a sleepOh yeah, yeah, big time.
Yeah, he used to be ableto and you either played along with it
or you were repulsed by it.And there were there was some women who
called him out on it on hisshow. Yeah, check it out.
Though it's pretty it was. Itwas an interesting interview. I just watched
it earlier today, so I doneed to watch more Fiorentino. In fact,
I was going through her body ofwork and thinking, like, you

(02:23:11):
could do a decent like Fiorentino season. Sure, you know what I mean,
like movies that she did when shedo Jade, she did the Last
Seduction, Um, you know thelater stuff like Men in Black and Dogma.
Well, the stuff I was thinkingwas like late eighties, early nineties

(02:23:33):
stuff. Yeah, I mean,I don't like what's like body count?
Yeah, I don't know what thatis either, but wow, she doubled
down on the Caruso. Who doesmore than one movie with David Caruso and
he does after Jade. You've gotto say to yourself, I never want
to be in another Caruso joint.But nope, she goes right back to

(02:23:56):
it and does another Caruso joint.Uh with body Count? What else have
we got here? Unforgettable with umI don't know, Rayleioda and someone said
to me recently, like you shoulddo a Rayleiota season. But Linda Fiorent

(02:24:20):
she does a couple of Daniel Baldwinmovies as well, more than one movie
with Daniel Baldwin. He was kingof the erotic thrillers of the early nineties,
Good Old Daniel Baldwin, Bodily Harm, Beyond the Law with Charlie Sheen
and Michael Madson, story Kicked inthe Head, Kicked in the Head,

(02:24:46):
Chain of Desire, Kicked in theHead looks like a comedy with Kevin Corrigan
and Michael Rappaport and James Woods.What Burt Burt Young is in it?
What it's called Kicked in the Head? James Woods and Michael can you imagine

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