Ep 352 - Demonoid - The After Movie Diner Podcast

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contain your outrage and yawns. Hereis your host, John Cross. Yes,
that's right, I am John Cross. And at least three quarters of
my nostrils were put there by NASAto summon and track bees and their pollination
habits. So before we slip intothe warm and comforting jacket pocket of a
mister Kirk Howley and the movie Demonoid. Just a word about the fact that

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again, this episode was recorded backin January, which was sort of the
last time we really recorded anything.I think I've maybe next week's episode will
be from February, but anyway,they're all recorded back at the beginning of
the year because I haven't done anythingsince then. And so cast your mind

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back, because if there is anydate sensitive chatter in this episode, you
need to remember what kind of aninsane place the world was back in January
of twenty twenty two. It wasat least three times more insane than it
was in January twenty nineteen, butonly about five percent less insane than it
is right now. But that's whatthis is all about, to take your

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mind off everything, to distract youfrom the endless wave of distractions that kill
us by a thousand cuts every singleminute of every waking moment. Also,
it's an utterly ridiculous but at thesame time very serious reminder that none of
it matters, none of it,this doesn't even matter. There's just you,
you and your memory. Okay,So now here are some more voicemails,

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and then on with the usual nonsense. Voice mail, a voice mail.
Everybody in the must a voicemail.The voicemail a voicemail world, everybody
leave, get out voicemail, voicemail. Please, everybody leave. Vosible voice

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smill is a voice smail. Voicesmail. Now, everybody leave, get
out. Jeff your loiterer. Hey, First of all, I may or
may not have had a few drinksthis afternoon, but that has nothing to

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do with it. This is MichaelAllen Fitzgerald, and I just received my
Patreon receipt for the month of Februaryand notice a notable absence of charges from
the afternooning fee diner. Take thatas you will and have a good day,

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all right now. Putting aside thequestion of my sobriety, I don't
believe it has anything to do withdo with the fact that I forgot to
mention, or fail to mention,the possibility of you covering my Good's adventures
in time or possibly Kurt Russell's soldier. But it was forgotten. We're not

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going to like talk about the reasonsit was forgotten. We're not going to
try to ascertain the lever of mysobriety from this. But yes, both
of those films are films that can'tbe covered. That I mean, just

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because I forgot to leave my nameon the last message, I mean,
it should be obvious who the lastmessage was from because it king on the
back of the previous message. Onceagain, not a reason to question my
sobriety. And I'd like to goas far as saying, it's completely understandable

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that you may or may not beworking on the script that we haven't heard
anything about for quite some time time, which I dutifully happily have chosen to
promote and support in any way,and not to suggest that I forget again.
This is once again, as youalready know, and it is not

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a question my sprite Michael Allen Fitzgerald. Voice mail a voice mail, everybody
leaves a boice the voice a voicemail, would everybody leave get out?
So that was regular listener and supporterof the show, practically the last listener

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and supporter of the show that existsout there, and really the only reason
I'm releasing anything at this point.Michael Allen Fitzgerald reminding me across three gloriously
drunken and wonderfully articulated messages that well, I haven't did I haven't done anything
that I haven't that I haven't workedon that script, that I haven't really

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any podcast or hardly any podcasts thisyear. I would like to say that,
you know, I have been youknow I have excused. You know,
I bought a house this year.We've been doing the house. That
We've got a puppy this year,so I've been spending a lot of time
with my dog and working on myhouse and doing various things. And I
would like to say that those wereall excuses. But the truth of it

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is is that I haven't felt it. I just haven't felt it. A
lot of people I know, andMatt Farley, who is possibly the only
other listener and the wonderful author ofthe Motorn Method, will chastise me for
this because he believes, possibly quiterightly, that don't wait for the mood
to take you. Just get upevery day and be creative, just every

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day, right right something, makemusic, do something. And maybe that's
right. Maybe you just have towork through it. But it's not that
I'm feeling writer's block or that Idon't have I'm just I'm not feeling the
practical aspect of it. I alwaysused to love like the editing and the
performing and the writing of the sketchesand the doing the voiceovers and all that.

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Like that was the bit that Igot all excited about. I sort
of overtime become less and less interestedin sort of reviewing movies, and I
just got interested in sort of justcreating a great show and you know,
doing weird little things and adding myown nonsense to it all. And I
just haven't it's that that I haven'tbeen feeling. I've been feeling it.
I've been really enjoying my life.But this year has been fantastic, and

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really enjoying my house. I've beenwriting and recording a lot of music.
I have a couple of albums worththat will be released at some point and
waiting on collaborators on one of them, and the other one I just need
to do some remixing and tweaking tosome of the songs. But in general,
I just haven't been feeling much else. But you know, I have

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a few recorded episodes that I'm releasingslowly when the when the mood takes me.
And who knows what the future is. I really honestly don't know what
the future is. And it's notabout you know, a rapturous reception,
but it would certainly help if itdidn't feel like I was only editing this
episode for you know me, Mikeand Matt Farley potentially. So if you

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genuinely genuinely want the show to continue, and if you genuinely want me to
record more episodes and do more things, then anyone listening to this message right
now, please call three four sevensix six nine zero zero five three and
lever voicemail at three four seven sixsix nine zero zero five three lever voicemail
or right to me at hello ataftermovie Dina dot com. Because it may

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help, It may not, Itmay not change my mood at all,
but it may help. It mayit may give me some motivation to go
back and record some other episodes.So we have this episode, We have
one more recorded with Jim in adiner, which is very exciting because we
haven't been back in a diner fora long time. So we do have
a new diner episode recorded in Dinahcoming up soon. But that's it.

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Once those two are out, Ihave no more left in the tank.
So if you want me to goahead and record more episodes or get more
guest hosts or anything like that,or saw something or figure something out.
And let me be clear, I'mtalking about if the show is going to
continue, then it will be mostlyrecorded over the internet Skype conversations, much

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in the way that the show startedoff. I no longer live in New
York. Jim and I do seeeach other occasionally, but we're not going
out to diners or movies or anyof the things that we used to do
with the frequency that we used todo it. So if the show continued,
I know, I get a lotof emails, I get a lot
of stuff where people say, oh, I really miss the in Dina shows

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like those are my favorite, thoseare my things. If I'm one hundred
and ten percent honest with all ofyou, that isn't happening with anything alike
the frequency that it used to.So if the show's continuing, it's continuing
with different guest hosts and recorded overSkype or zoom or whatever. It's not

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going to be in person in adiner. So just to be clear,
But anyway, if you want thatjust voicemail or email would be really really
appreciative. And it's not about ego. It's just it might help the motivation.
That's all I'm saying, or itmight not. I might just be
like, thanks ever so much forsaying that you'd like more episodes, but
there are no more episodes. Idon't know what it will make me do,

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because at the moment, I'm justliving my life and it feels really
really good to just be living mylife. I'm watching a ton more movies
again, which feels great. Ihaven't really watched a lot of movies or
enjoyed watching a lot of movies forages. Don't forget to follow after movie
diner on letterbox if you want tosee what I'm watching and kind of follow
along and come in and all thatgroovy stuff. I'm there on letterbox,

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so maybe do that. So itfeels really nice to be watched just watching
movies again, playing music again,and playing with my dog and spending time
with my wife. That just feelsgood right now. I'm just enjoying existence
in life. So yeah, sendme an email or a voicemail as to
why you think the show should continue, just anything and we'll see. Anyway.

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Here's the conversation I have with KirkHawley about Demonoid back in January.
No, it's a pleasure to haveyou back on the show. Kirk Howley,
how have you been Have you doneany in the last two years?
Have you done any podcasting and soon? Or is zoom calls for work
and zoom calls with friends and familykilled it dead for you? The idea
of talking to people, No,yeah, that's been my primary way of

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first as to say thank you JohnCross, and I think we should continue
to refer to ourselves by her fullteams. Yeah, definitely the entire podcast.
So we sound like a Matt FarleyCharlie Rocksburg movie. Yeah, I
don't know if that is. Whatis that? Oh, the Motor Media
films, Matarley. I thought ofChris Farley for some reason. My brain
just like short circuited. Okayia basedon So. There's a Don Dola film

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called Fiend, and in it thereis a very stilted argument the two neighbors
have where they refer to each otheras mister longfellow and I forget what's the
other guy's name, but they basicallygo, mister kinda, that's it.
They basically go, well, thankyou very much, mister Kinder. It
goes you're welcome, mister Longfellow andthey just do this that the whole whole

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scene, and it's a joy.I mean, I absolutely love it.
It's fantastic. It's this neighbor who'sinvestigating his neighbor who turns out to be
a possessed zombie fiend from hell whois strangling local women to maintain his source
of power. He is known asthe Fiend, and they just have her
back and forth where they're like misterkind, mister Longfellow. So Charlie and

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Farley, who make all the motornmedia, shockmouth and movies, have taken
that to the next ridiculous level,which I absolutely love, where they utilize
someone's full name in every scene asmuch as possible. So I am listen.
If we want to then step onthe shoulders of those giants and continue

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with that. So you are misterKirk Howley Esquire, and I'll be mister
John Cross um that the third,which isn't even the case. My dad's
father, my dad's my dad's father. My dad's name is Graham, and
my dad's father's name was Bernard.But I can be John Cross the third
if you want to. If youwant to just tack a little extra juice

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on the end of the name.You just want to see. Yeah,
we'll see how it feels as wego along. Just go with whatever feels
natural. Kirk. Yeah, butspeaking of names, I feel like this
movie could have used some names beingmentioned in it. But um, because
it was only once or twice.Maybe they named a couple of people.
But the first like thirty minutes,I was like, who are these who

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are these people? Well, thereisn't that many people in the movie,
so that's maybe why they felt thatto be the case. But yes,
Kirk brings up a good point.We are talking this week all about the
nineteen eighty one Alfredo Zacharias film DemonoidMessenger of Death, which also goes by

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the European name and in fact theheavily edited name of Macabre or macabre or
however you want to pronounce that,maccabree. If that's how macabree m it's
maccabree virus software as the alternate nameof this movie. Um, but no

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neither title. So if if we'regoing into the movie right away, neither
title I feel does this film justice. In fact, I feel like the
hallmarketing thing for this title for thismovie in general is way off now there,
while the neon drenched graphical poster forDemonoid is fantastic. I mean,

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I love it. It's a beautifulimage. It's full of mad gothic horror
and women just gesticulating is that theword and a huge demon with a with
a sword or everything. I mean, it's just phenomenal. It's really late
seventies early eighties raw neon cartoony,brilliant. That's not what the like.

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That's not the movie, you know. What I mean the movie is is
more of a sort of horror handattacks kind of movie. Yeah, really
low low fi quality effects, justlike sort of handmade, no no,
no pun intended, but very verycheap looking. Well, what I like

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is that, you know, itdefinitely works. What I like is there
is a poster for this movie wherethe alternate which has a giant hand on
it, which which looks good,and a hand is kind of grabbing at
Stuart Whitman, the priest and SamanthaEgger the woman with the hand red browner,
which is a much better image,and the name of the title appears

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to be and this is probably French, then a lay meaning like digit digit
diable, which is obviously the Fingersof the Devil, which I think is
a great name for this movie.I think the Fingers of the Devil is
a better name for this movie thanDemonoid, demonoid or macabre. And I

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think the poster is better for Lesdigit or deutget because it has an O
in it. So let do diableis the French title? Um, but
but yeah, I mean whatever title, whatever name. This was a a
find for me. So I ama huge fan of the Blu Ray Company

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Vinegar Syndrome, and now that Ihave moved to Connecticut, the home of
Vinegar Syndrome, and I live thirtyminutes away from Bridgeport, I go to
the Archive all the time, whichis the awesome video store that they have
attached to the Vinegar Syndrome movie updatingand remastering and scanning and whatever warehouse that

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they have raining store. Oh cool, and their officers and everything like that,
And so every so often I justputtled down there. It's a good
because I'm driving there as well coach, so it's a good kind of drive.
It's a nice sort of forty fiveminutes on the windy back roads,
thirty minutes on a relatively clear freewaykind of drive down to Bridgeport and it's
kind of nice. It's a goodthing to do of an afternoon when you
have nothing else going on, andI get to see my pals down there

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at the archive. And I wasdown there one time and there was a
couple of new titles that I wantedto get, and then I was just
perusing the older FS titles that theyhad in the store, and this one
was the one that popped out atme. Funny enough, I'm criticizing it's
marketing, but it was because ofthe cover. I was like, Stephen
Oyn has a big guy with asword and women gesticulating and or genuflecting.

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I don't know what the word is. Anyway, they were doing it on
the front cover and it was brightneon and I read the back and I
was like, oh, this,it's like interesting, And because it was
an older title, it wasn't thatexpensive. And I was like, great,
I'm just going to pick this upon Blu Ray. I've done that
multiple times for different Blue Ray companiesand for different titles, and you normally

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find that about it's a thirty percentsuccess rate, Like when you just bide
blind. It's only like a thirtypercent success for it. I put demonoid
square into that thirty percent for mehaving seen all the sort of atrocious B
movies or shot and video stuff orwhatever, some of which I love,
some of which I don't. Thisto me, I'm like, you set

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your table and you ran with it, not the table, but you know
what I mean anyway, I'm mixingme. You picked up the table,
you ran down the road with it. But Kirk, this was a first
for you, right, You hadn'theard of this movie before. I had
heard the title, but I hadno idea what it was about, and
I think I may have seen thecover art at some point, but i'd
never watched it. In fact,I just finished watching it today about two

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hours ago, so I kind ofwatched it in spurts and took notes as
I went yea, um, Butyeah, really enjoyed it, I think.
I mean, the first about fiveminutes of the movie does live up
to the cover, I think,right, because you've got like, um,
cult members in yellow hoods running aroundin some underground chamber. The very

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first where where they kill the woman, they start supper naked and kill it.
Right, Yeah, Yeah, that'slike it had all the best,
most over the top ingredients of likean eighties horror movie. Yes, and
it was like perfect little mini movieI guess to start to start the film
off. But I mean the boobswere completely unnecessary to show. I don't

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know why the cultists decided before,but if you're in a cult, because
is how I feel. If I'mgoing to, if I'm going to really,
you know, submit to a cult, submit to the full lifestyle,
you know, pay for the robes, maybe pay a membership fee once a
year or whatever it is. Ishould you know, I should at least
get one good slaughter a year,Like we should kill an animal or a

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person in some truly gothic and tremendousway, and then there should be boobs.
I just feel like that should bepart of the cult. If I'm
in, if I'm indulging, ifI'm really submitting to this and making this
part of my lifestyle, I justfeel like boobs should be involved. And
I don't begrudge them for that.You know, they put a lot of
time and energy into this nonsense andthey should be rewarded. That's how I

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feel. Yeah, I agree,I just want to make it equal.
So like as the guys were aboutto chop off their hand, they should
have just whipped out their penises too, and just like, but I'm just
hang out there while they, yeah, or do their hand shopping, or
have a woman and a man likestrapped or nailed to the wall, share
both their clothes off, remove boththeir hands, and let the hands fight

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for supremacy before they give put thedemons into the hand. Oh wow,
a little little hand cage match kindof yeah, yeah, like a thumb
of war, but with seven handschoosing who gets to be possessed by the
sword wielding demon who only ever wantsto show up in silhouette with a lot
of smoke behind him. It's allinteresting. Well that I mean that even

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looks kind of like the one onthe cover. It does look cool.
It probably helps by the fact thatit only shows it's you for a split
second every time. Yeah, thatwas one of the one of the better
visual effects of the movie. Well, it makes me. It does make
me think of John Carpet as Princeof Darkness, where you occasionally get that
video footage of someone coming out ofthe church with the white smoke behind him

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and sort of silhouetted and so onwhich you assume is the devil, but
you never really kind of get tosee the whole the whole thing. Yeah,
they never really tell you if thisis the devil or just a devil
or a demon ooid, which Iguess you should deem avoid because it ruins
your demon pizzas, yes, orwhat's it or demonoid makes it sound like,

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you know, because a humanoid isa is a robot that is very
human, right, like a verylife like robot or something that is human
like humanoid demonoid should be what likea like it's like what it's like it's
demon adjacent. Yeah, it's maybeit's not from Hell, maybe it's from

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like purgatory. Yeah, it justworks at a seven to eleven, but
it's yeah, just occasionally fills theslurpy machine full of calm or something,
and it's just like it's like,well, you know, I do the
odd demonic thing. We don't gofull blown into like sacrificing of virgins,
but you know, occasionally I dosomething that just really pisses people off or

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grows as them out, And thatwas enough to kind of get me the
demonoid title. And occasionally I candwell with some of the lower beings.
But we don't do that much.You know, we don't much that that
that much in common. You knowthat they're very busy kind of you know,
sacrificing firstborns and you know, possessingdogs and things like that. You
know, I'm much more of apractical kind of demon, you know,

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a casual demon demon on the weekend, it's just doing like Frank TV show
kind of stuff. Like yeah,just kind of jackass demon. Yeah.
One thing I loved looking at IMDb. The description for this is um spouses
looking for silver in Mexico find athree hundred year old servant hand driven by
a demon. And I like thatthey've made it sound like that hand is

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this demon's little car that it drivesaround, little micro machine that it's just
it's occasionally when I'm feeling a bitdemonic, I get him a possessed hand
and driving around a little bit.See what's going on? Can't the grudge
a demonoid for that? Can you? Yeah? I mean he's just driving
around trying to do his errands.He's got to go pick up his demon
laundry, and keeps running into people'sfaces. The faces keep stopping too soon

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in front of his demon car andhe's gotta gotta crush them to get all
these faces on the four O fiveone. I'm trying to get to the
launder mat. I know what's goingon? Um yeah, I mean it's
yeah. So essentially, there's athere's a sort of plucky British ark attacks
down in Mexico with the pith helmetsand so on, and they're like,
what's going on over there with thatmine shaft and they're like, Oh,

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the locals never go in there.It's it's demonic. Oh that sounds like
fun. Let's go down into themine. The mine goes on for miles.
We could really be trapped down here. Great, let's keep going further.
They go as far as they possiblycan. They break through into another
level, the mind beneath the mine'sOh the scene where he falls through the

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I guess quicksand kind of like we'rejust like quick dirt. I guess,
yeah, into hilarious how he's he'strying to make it look like he's struggling,
but it's very obvious he's just tryingcarefully to put his legs through the
hole in the floor under the dirtso he can fall through and he keeps
yelling the whole time to his wife. He keeps yelling, get a board,
a board, get a board.And I'm so bored. I'm bored

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with drowning in quick dirt. Ohlook a temple. How lovely a temple
I've fallen through. Don't worry,lady about the board. I've found a
temple. Come down, I've founda temple. Yeah. No, they
find a temple under the earth.Because because if we've learned nothing from movies
over the years, everything happens underthe under the main Earth, on the

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second Earth. Like it's never inthe main. It's never in the main.
It's like the meg that Jason statesthe movie about the giant shark.
It's the giant shark doesn't live inthe ocean. It lives in the ocean
underneath the earth pocket, underneath theair pocket. Rather in the second you
know, the second ocean, Kirk, the ocean that lives underneath the main
ocean. But there's like an airpocket. What what what is that?

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Oh, it doesn't matter, justseparates the oceans. Oh well that's fine
then, And that's what this is. Like, there's a there's a dirt
pocket that separates the two different levelsof Earth and they fall through into the
Temple level. It's kind of likeSonic the Hedge. I guess Temple Temple
Zone two. I think Temple Zonewas level two. I think. Oh,
I I've actually played Sonic. Ohwow, Okay, I think I

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was too. I didn't have quickenough reaction time to play it. Okay,
fair enough? Oh what was Igonna say about some quiet, violent
music? Man, I didn't havequick enough reaction times. I missed out
on. I don't know. Andit's weirdly Sonic has caught the immense,
grabbed the imaginations of like people faryounger than me. So they're always talking

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about Sonic, and I'm just like, I don't get it. I don't
Maybe maybe I'm old, or maybeI just don't get sung. It was
a master It was a Saga MasterSystem thing growing up when I was like
eight or nine, and my bestfriend got a Saga Master System, which
over here was cooled. The SegaGenesis we had, Yeah, we had
the Sega master System I guess beforethat, and then it became the Genesis.
I don't know. Okay, theirnaming conventions are weird, but I

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do remember the Sega stuff. Yeah, I just I just never played it.
We were more of like a Nintendo. Yeah, people, I didn't
getting to Nintendo to lose. Inuniversity we had the n sixty four and
we played Golden Eye and that Foxone where the Fox flew through the air.
It was like, yeah, it'slike Mario, but it was a
Fox and he was in the air. It was like Marrio cart rather but

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it was a Fox and it wasStar Fox. I think that one.
Yeah, and you could shoot yourfriends down. That was the best part,
and it would be like, whatare you doing? And you just
kill all your teammates. That's whensomeone who's done a lot of cocaine sits
up from the boardroom table and justgo Star Fox and people like, what's
that, Jeff, Oh well,it's this idea I have. It just
sounds like two words you've slammed together. No I know, but Gret go

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with me on this anyway. Sorry, keep digressing anyway, back to back
to Demonoid. They're in the TempleKirk, it's Temple Zone. What happens
then? Oh, well, they'relooking around um and I think the lady
we found her name is Jackie.Later but oh, She's played by Samantha
Eggar, who I took took mewhile to realize she's in The Brood as

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the sort of mother to you.She is in The Brood, she was
also in and I got to lookit up for a seconds, So give
me a say. I'll cut outme looking it up because it sounds terrible.
But she was also in another moviethat I was watching recently. In
fact, Samantha Egger did some sortof great sort of be movies and horror

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movies at this point in time.She's in Curtains, one of my favorite
slasher films, shortly after this.The Exterminator is the other one that I
was watching the other day for GhintyFest twenty twenty two, which I did
overrun blood Boobs and Baths, BloodBaths and Boomsticks. Blood Boobs and Beasts
is a different thing. Blood Bathsand Boomsticks podcast. I did a Ghinty

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Fest and I watched lots of RobertGhinty films. Samantha Egga is in The
Exterminator, and it's funny because youcould either be Meryl Streep, you know,
and do some great critically acclaimed movies, or you could do the Brood,
The Exterminator, Demonoid, and Curtains. I personally would rather have that
career. That's the career I wishI had was Samantha Egger's career. Why

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she gets to do four of theI don't want to say four of the
greatest exploitation films, but certainly toplevel B movie exploitation horror films available.
Yeah, those movies all had amazingcover artwork too, even though I never
I don't think I've seen all ofthem. I never saw the Exterminator,
but I always the cover always drewme to it, and I'm sure it

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doesn't live up to what the coveris, which totally different than what the
color is cover is. Rather.The funny thing about the Exterminator is Exterminated
two is the one way he hasthe flamethrower exterminated one. He does lots
of other things, like he putsa mobster into a meat grinder, which
is a particularly exciting scene, butyeah, the flamethrower doesn't really enter into

(30:45):
it in the first one as muchas it does in the second one.
The second one basically looked at thefoster the first one and went, while
we bad just give him that.Then and that's what the second one does.
But listen, if you can beChristopher George's love interest in exploitation movie
shot in New York in the eighties, directed by James Blecknhouse, then go
right ahead. I mean Samantha Agger, I doth my cap to you,

(31:07):
madame. Yeah, I'm sure shewas having more fun than Meryl Stream.
Oh one. Meryl Stream was beingslapped by Dustin Hoffman and made to feel
small and shitty by film producers,whereas Samataka gets to hang out with Christopher
George's side parting and make out withwho I like to refer to as the
budget William Shatner. Anyway, talkabout I'm talking about how they find the

(31:33):
hand oh right. So basically,she just notices this little it's almost like
a little this display case that's coveredin dust and cobwebs. He's she's like,
look at this, and he justreaches his hand in and she's like,
oh, don't touch it, andhe's like why not. He just
reaches and grabs it through this disgustinglooking cobweb. This guy just like his
whole method of going through life isjust like being grumpy and just saying why

(31:55):
shouldn't I do this. I'm gonnado it. Let me do it.
Walk through the through the mind toget there, and every wall is crumbling
as they walked past it, likethis is the most shadowly put together mind.
I think maybe that's the reason hisworkers didn't want to go down.
Yeah, they didn't want to admit. They don't want to get fired,
so they were like, um,it's not that you poorly constructed his mind.
I mean it unsafe for workers.There's a there's a cursed demon hand

(32:19):
yea. And they were right onboth counts though. That's what's interesting.
They were right on both counts.Those Mexican day laborers know a lot about
demon possession and badly constructed minds,and more power to them. We should
be looking to them for all ourinfrastructure advice at this point, especially with
you know, bridges collapsing in Pittsburghand all that kind of very timely infrastructure

(32:46):
stuff that's going on. Anyway,they get out of there, they go
home to their wonderfully like seventies furnituredawn department, and everything's fine until that
night, right when they go tobed, and then all right, well,
they smooch before going to bed,and the camera pans over to the
the like coffee table. And thisis where I learned their names, because

(33:08):
they were two enormous human sized sugarskulls. Yes, one of them,
said Jackie said. One of theguy's name was I don't think I wrote
that down, but I just Istarted cracking up when I just saw this
skull, this says Jackie seemed,I don't know. Weirdly, his name
is I think she yelled at onceor twice? Mark, Oh yeah,

(33:30):
that's right, Mark. Is itMarks? Mark Bains and Jennifer Bains,
Mark of the Devil? Yes,um, and that was played by Roy
Cameron Jensen. Um. And myfavorite thing is doctor Julian Rivkin. And
this movie is played by Nazisco Busquets. Much amazing name. Yes, because

(33:52):
it sounds like Nazism. Buckets,so it sounds like buckets of Nazism.
This guy, which is a perfectname for an act. It is,
yes, or a podcast or meanyway, So the home smooching in front
of the sugar skulls. Yeah yeah, oh right. So then they they

(34:13):
go to sleep and I guess inseparate, but he stays up just drinking.
He does into a blackout state andshe sort of shakes himself away and
want it. She's long since goneto bed. He hobbles over to where
the little hand coffin is. Yes, when he opens it and there's just
powder in it, right, Yes, I thought he was about to just
snort it right up his nose becauseit looked like a big caseful of cocaine.

(34:37):
Yes, But instead he walks awayand then the hand does this amazing
sort of uh what do they callit when he fade in and out like
the Wolfman transformation effects from the nineteenYeah, the same thing they did with
the Dracular effect and Dracula Prince ofDarkness with Christopher Lee, where Dracula is

(34:57):
just dust having been killed by Petercrushing the into the first movie. They
dripped some blood onto it and thenthey just fade through into Christopher Lee,
like they just rade through like there'sthere's dust, a skeleton and then Christopher
Lee and they just do some fadestransitions between the thing and then they go
see ping hand demon. Yeah,but I thought it was fairly. It

(35:21):
was good because they had this eeriemusic going and it's kind of slow,
and they started they gradually built itup into a hand shape. It looked
like somebody had had to go inthere and actually sculpt this little like dust
into a shape of a hand,and it worked. Well. Then the
hand comes alive and it's literally justa rubber glove. Yeah it's painted white.
Um. But then what it goesin and starts feeling up her leg

(35:42):
while she's asleep for some reason,well because old demonic hands have to get
their little purv quota in before theypossess the next person. That is true,
This hand does like to party,which we'll find out better in the
movie. And what he wakes herup or something, and I forget They
both end up in the room.He tries to have the hand and it's
somehow this happens repeatedly throughout the movie. Hand disappears in is now just his

(36:05):
hand? Well, doesn't it grabhis face? Or does it grab his
face? And no, grab isalmost everyone's face. I think it grabs
his face, and I think theassumption is meant to be. It then
transubstantiates into sand again. It's reallylike, really the sand is the demon
thing because the hand is really themode of transportation for the sand. It

(36:30):
gets you from the box to theface. Yeah, then you inhale the
possession dust that all then crumbles away. Then your hand is possessed and the
only way you can stop the possessionis removing your hand. But then you
die instantly. But then you dieinstantly the moment you remove your hand,
because I want there's no quarterizing,there's no fake, there's no way to

(36:53):
stop blood in this world. ChardBut I did like the idea that that
was. Like, what I lovedabout this movie was that was the hands
emo. The hands emo was grabthe face possessed the person, person chops
hand off. Hand grabs face possessedof the person. Person chops hand off.

(37:14):
There's just a slew of handless bodiesleft throughout this movie, but every
single time it was done in anentertaining way. And I think you have
to if you come to this moviehaving watched if you come to this movie
having only watched, you know,predominantly popular horror, it probably won't have

(37:35):
the same effect. But if you'vecome to this movie having watched a bunch
of movies that think they're this movie, like, think they're doing what this
movie is doing. In other words, keeping the exploitation going, keeping the
blood flowing, keeping the fun happening. But really it's just like forty minutes
of dirt with the occasional scene whereI'm just like going with it, going
with it, like you know,I'm always looking for the next like burst

(37:59):
of exploits, patient madness, andmost of these low budget movies just can't
manage that on a repeated scale.They don't. They don't do that every
eight minutes. There's something weird.They do sort of every forty minutes.
You might get like the glimpse ofa breast, or the glimpse of some
blood on a wall, or theglimpse of whatever, because that's all they
can do, and there's a certaincharm to that, and there's a certain

(38:22):
interest to that. But if you'vewatched the best way to watch this movie
would watch ten of those movies,become really annoyed with those movies and just
go, oh, couldn't you haveat least done something entertaining? Then watch
this movie and then you're like,oh, finally someone with the same budget
as those other movies, but whodid something entertaining. That's kind of what
I promote this movie as. That'swhy I say it's sort of if it's

(38:45):
a blind by for you, thenit's it's one of the thirty percent successful
out of the seventy percent like that, you know, someone? What was
Another one that I bought recently wasrush Week because I'm a big fan of
slasher films, and I'm a bigfan of especially sort of the early the
mid eighties slash of films, althoughI think rush Week is a later one.

(39:07):
I think rush Week came out inthe second half of the eighties.
Either way, though, I'm thinking, like, it's a slash of film
at a college, you know,with again another cult, with like a
bunch of hooded people and like masksand things like that, and you can
make that entertaining. Nope, Nope, ninety minutes of no entertainment whatsoever.
There was no There was barely anynudity, barely any kills. When there

(39:28):
was kills, they were fairly bloodlessand unimaginative. And I'm just like you
failed. You failed on the basicprinciple of what a slasher should be.
A slasher, very core, shouldbe a series of entertaining kills threaded together
with completely bizarre characters, characters andnon secretaries and forty year olds playing high
school children. That's that's what aslasher should be. If you can't manage

(39:50):
that, don't make one. Yeah, there were slashers for me. Are
the ones were they They either justhave just a standard like one stab and
they're did or they just don't evenshow the killings. They just showed them
killer walk up and then it's cutto something else and you find out later
that person's dead, and it's like, what am I watching this slasher movie?
If there's no slashing? Now MattFarley is bringing him up again.

(40:10):
He prefers the other way. Heprefers all the drama, like you know,
when you have like I'm trying tothink of one, but like house
in Sorority Row or graduation day,one of those where the majority of the
movie is sort of more of thedrama between all the characters like who's dating
who, or who hates who,or who's talking who or whatever. All
that stuff's going on, and maybethere's family trouble back home or whatever,

(40:34):
and then occasionally someone gets killed.Okay. He loves all the like stilted
dialogue and the drama and the hangingaround in rooms, you know, talking
about their feelings or their families andso he loves that, and that's fine,
that's absolutely great, and I lovesome of that. I understand why
he appreciates it. But for me, every eight minutes, do something,

(40:59):
or every ten minutes, do somethinga little gory, a little weird,
or a little like who decided thatwas a thing? Like do something like
that. This movie has plenty ofthat, where just like, what was
the writing choice or did they justfigure this out on set and somebody had
an idea in They're like, yeah, do that weird thing you just said,
Like, if you go to adoctor to have your severed possessed,

(41:20):
to have your possessed hand removed,make sure that doctor has a slutty nurse
for no good reason, you knowwhat I mean? Like that was part
of it. May have been thatthey hit they had gone to a plastic
surgery building, right, Being aplastic surgeon doesn't mean well, we're only
going to hire nurses on which Ican perform ridiculous plastic surgery on them so

(41:42):
that they end up looking like largebreasted, large lip Barbie dolls in a
novelty Halloween costume of a slutty nurse. But that's you need some way of
showing your you know what, I'msaying that, like plastic surgery, people
can hire nurses who haven't had plasticsurgeon. Yeah. Yeah, but I
mean you just cut you cut costsby doing that, because then you're like,

(42:02):
we don't show you any pictures.Just look at this lady here.
Yes, yes, but it wasa weird choice for them to go there.
I mean, I know we'll getto this point the plot eventually,
but yeah, to cut off hishand, he went to plastic surgeons because
they're so well known for hand removal. I guess he also went, I
can't give you anesthetic for this.You're like, why not? Why not?

(42:27):
You've got the soul through my hand. He's like, we can't give
you couldn't We couldn't possibly give youanesthetic. Okay, then just soar it
off that. I guess, Well, if we gave an anesthetic, that
would just encourage the demon. Iguess that would just the demon would get
all high and stoned, and he'dbe lying in the hand being like,
oh man, this is great,I can't feel a thing hit me one

(42:50):
more time, Olga, my demonicslave mistress or whatever, I don't know,
and he'd be asking you weird questionswhen he woke up that he won't
remember later. Yes, yeah,and maybe doing I don't know rybald commentary,
like a demonic soap opera that he'swatching. Yeah, but before we

(43:12):
eat that part of the movie,sorry there is um oh yeah, even
before that. I've got a commenton this, this one character. I
just remembered the guy who is drivingher around in the beginning. So she
was supposed to get picked up fromher husband at the airport. Yes,
and there's this man Pepe who showsup. Um, who's one of the
Mexican minor workers. I guess yes. And he's like, oh is he?

(43:36):
Is he well known? Actually that'sjust his name. Who doesn't have
a photograph on IMDBA, so Ipresume he's probably not that well known.
Yeah. Well he has this greata great couple of great uh lines of
dialogue with her where he's like,your husband couldn't leave the mind. Mine's
are very date jealous, like mostfemales. And she's like, is a
mine a female Pepe? And he'slike, yes, no matter how hard

(43:58):
you try, a mine won't surrenderif you're not lucky. It's just weirdest,
like is he making the large holein the ground vagina comparison. Is
it a conundrum between the female.Yeah, because when you go into that
and you send a bunch of Mexicansinto a vagina, the vagina male it

(44:23):
may reject that, unless you're lucky, in which case the vagina might just
be like sure, Mexicans come onin, or any or any minus.
Any Mexican could be. It couldbe Pennsylvanian minus, it could be any
minus. It's not it's not relatedto their ethnicity. It just happens since
this movie. Ye, well theyare in there in what's the name of

(44:45):
the time, Guana Watto, Andwhen I saw that on the screen,
I was like, Guana Whero's town. Yes, it is a real town
in Mexico, and I'm sure theyappreciate us doing bad jokes about it.
The one Mexican list that we haveis like, I live in will you

(45:07):
take the piss out of me?Coke hole? Are you suck? And
he just he walked out into hisbackyard and wept a single tear. He
didn't take the headphones off, andhe's just unplugged from his whatever device he
was listening to it as he walkedAll the headphones pulled off his head and
just left flapping on the floor ashe kind of shuffled sadly out into his

(45:28):
yard where he weaves a single tear. I thought, coke Hole, he
was nicer than this. I thoughthe liked me um, and then he
just never listens to us against Thanks, Kirk, you've lost us man,
our only Mexican lister. I don'teven know if we have a Mexican listener,
but if we do, hello,yeah, yes, well I will

(45:50):
say guana watch. It looks likea beautiful town at least when they filmed
this. Great minds, yeah,the best, the best, devil possessed
minds, and the great minds thinkalike. Anyways, there's no pun there.
I just wanted, well that thatpun brings me to another exchange they
had where Pepe then drives her tothe mine and he's like, well here
you are your mine. And Iwanted them to go into this this like

(46:14):
who's on first style routine where shewould be like, so it's my mind,
Yes, you're mine, I'm notyours, not you mine? Who
is mine? Your mind? Whatyou're mine? I am, I'm not
yours. It just goes on backor forth forever until she just kills him.
Yeah, the rest of the movies, she just stabs him with an

(46:37):
axe. I'm going in, Um, mine is money. I can't hang
around here anymore. Sorry, it'sa spinal tap joke anyway. Never mind
about miss He says mine is money, and I just made it Mine is
money. Never mind going not good? Not good? Know why I did

(47:00):
that of character? Sorry, I'vebeen. I've been the whole time.
I've been seeing the word mine,having to keep myself from going into the
minor voice from shock Treatment yeah days, which by now everyone has probably forgotten
what that is. But just incase my fellow shlock Treatment guys listened to
this, I'll say the word.They don't come at me for not doing
the reference. Well, I happento know that. Hopefully. Mark McDonald,

(47:22):
I mean Mark McDonald was the gueston the show that just went up
today. The jumping track flash though, um, and Doug Fry has already
reached out and has a weird assmovie he wants to do which has a
wrestler in it. A wrestling assmovie, yes, a cande a weird

(47:42):
demon ass movie. Um, itjust keeps jumping on people's faces, possessing
them. Oh oh, just thedemon dust that comes out of the ass
hole into the mouth. It couldsay, they say, an ass is
a mine. I can't get inthere unless you're lucky, right. That

(48:04):
would be much more refreshing, wouldn'tif it was like a game mine and
he used butthole references rather than vaginareferences, because you'd be like, that's
better than everything being eatable. Imean, you know, enough with fucking
eata Puts and freud everybody, canwe just get Let's just get past that.
Let's go beyond that and maybe moveover to the butthole. Let's just

(48:25):
yeah, let's move over to thebutthole as a more inclusive rifice because everyone
has one, and and a morehumorous rarifice because it comes out of it,
because poop and farts come out ofit. So I think buttholes are
a much better you know, goass rather than going dick or vagina.

(48:45):
That's all I'm saying. I thinkit's it's a way to move away from
defining people by their genitals. Everyonehas an asshole, and then everyone is
an asshole John, And well that'strue as well. Everyone has just a
little bit of asshole in them andon them and so and in deep in

(49:07):
their hearts. Well, especially thelistener. You listen to this right now,
right, what do we say,We say the bottom of my heart.
Huh. The heart has a bottom. The heart has an ass.
If you look at the way peopledraw hearts, if you just turn that
upside down, it's upside down.But yeah, everything comes back with the

(49:28):
butt stuff, my friend. That'sseriously all of mankind of and and humankind
butt stuff. So demonoid ass thesequel is coming soon. Demon roids demon
Oh nice, good good good goodum and and Stuart Whitman has to apply

(49:52):
the hemorrhoid cream of the of theGods to the demon roids as he runs
around. Let me get my holyheavyheid cream. It's like in the shape
of a cross for some reason,to these extra parts coming out of it.
You gotta squeeze those to shoot theyeah cream at it. Yeah,

(50:12):
yeah, I love that. Letme get my crucifix, special crucifix preparation.
H And it's just your women likea like a an old Benny Hill
sketch running around after a giant possessedthat This is already a more cohesive idea
than demonoid, right, and whyis a mine like an ass? Well,

(50:35):
let me explain. I mean minesare full of gas, right,
don't they have on their gas andmines and stuff. That's why they carry
the canaries in. Yeah, youkeep a canary in your butt. Richard
Gale likes to shove canaries up hisbutt, or small animals in general.
I mean it might as well bea canary, right, I call all
small animals canaries. Yes, exactly, so say so, yeah, sorry,

(50:57):
back to demon the husband get thehusband becomes part and he yeah,
what happened? He oh? Right, right, So then he goes back
to his mind and insists that afterthe money, yeah, because well just
you jump back real quickly. Afterhe and his wife went down there,
before he was possessed, they comeback up with his devil hand in a

(51:20):
box, and he says to allhis workers, look, it's real,
this thing you were afraid of thatyou wouldn't go into the mind for it.
Now get back in that mind,and surprisingly none of them do.
So now that he's possessed, thenext day, he goes back forces them
all to go into the mind somehow. They didn't really explain how he forced
them, but maybe he went booand they all like walked down into the
mine. But then he's got thisdynamite. He paid the money cook,

(51:43):
which is more than he had everdone before. Normally he was just asking
them on a favor like a bigiou. This time around, he was
like, oh, go on,you can have fifty dollars whatever forced them,
Yeah, money, and he justblows them all up with dynamite.
Oh right, that's it. Yeahyeah, and jumps in the car,
drives off, and his wife apparentlyfrom that mon On doesn't see him again

(52:04):
until like months later or however muchtime passes during which he goes to Las
Vegas, Yeah, and just partiesparts it up like this demon loves to
party, gamble, drink, mixit up with with hookers and you know
whatever, big breasted women who showup at their gambling table. Someone tries
to attack him for is it likecheating or gam or cheating on gambling or

(52:27):
something, and he like he endsup crushing his head and yeah, it
was like a scam because this thiswoman comes up to the table next to
him and he is blowing on thedice for him to give him good luck.
And I couldn't figure out how thescam worked because he won all this
money, so she takes him toher car afterwards to go to well.
I assume that the demon was usinghis special powers to always make the dice

(52:49):
come up the right number whatever youneed, and so because he was constantly
getting lucky with the dice, theyassumed it was a scam. But it
wasn't a scam. It was demonmagic, which technically, Kirk, if
you're possessed by a demon and thereforeit's part of you, is that considered?
Like I don't know, Like,for example, if you had X
ray eyes, could they really penalizeyou if you naturally had X ray I

(53:14):
I mean, you can't help havingX ray eyes. And if you naturally
have a demon inside you who's willingto cheat at roulette or whatever they were
craps or whatever they were playing,isn't that just allowed or not? Is
that still considered? I don't know. They's at Vegas right, Like,
you can't you can't take notes onwhat you can't take numbers, can't count,

(53:35):
cards, can't memory. Yeah,so but how do they know you're
not counting? I guess they justassume if you win often enough, you've
counted cards, right, they kickyou out. Yes, So you're not
allowed to win at Vegas basically,and this guy want to. You're not
allowed to win repeatedly. You haveto so you can win big, like
you can bet big and therefore winbig because you happen to bet on the
right thing. But every few handslose, so it doesn't make it look

(53:59):
like you're doing Yeah, you know, because if you wont like fifty rounds
of cards in a row, there'ssomething suspicious, just against the law of
averages exactly. But this couple whodups him into getting kidnapped by them,
I don't get if they were justlike, this is weird that this guy
must be at something, so theywanted him to teach them how to do

(54:19):
his demon magic that they didn't realizeit was magic, I guess. No.
I thought they were trying to enforce. I thought they were trying to
beat him up and steal his moneyback for the casino. I thought they
were like enforces for the casino.I mean, that's what I thought was
going to happen at first. Butthey take him to some shack somewhere they
do, yeah, tie him upand tell him they're gonna cut his hands
off unless he tells them how towin, well unless they unless he tells

(54:44):
them how I've been winning. Imean, like, how have you been
doing this with the casino? Ithink, I mean, I don't know.
It could be interpreted either way.I think the reason why it was
a little wooden shock out in thedesert was probably due to budgetary constraint.
Yeah, because I think they gota few shots of the actor at a

(55:04):
casino table, probably like saying toa casino, low ran casino in downtown
Vegas problem or anyway. I mean, you don't even have to know that
it's in Vegas and could have beenfilmed in a casino anywhere. They got
an outdoor shot of the sands,I think. But I think, yeah,
that was just a way of beinglike okay, and then they try
and rough him up, which we'veseen in kind of gangster films and stuff.

(55:28):
And then but he is enthralled withthe power of the demon and he
crushes does he crush both the headsor just one of the now he just
like bitch slaps the guy and thenhe grabs a woman's facing and it sounds
the sound effect that it sounds likesomeone was off camera just popping bolba rep.
Now did you see did you seea version of this that was called
Demonoid or did you see macabre?Because in Demonoid, the uncut version,

(55:53):
you see like her face and headcompletely crush and like blood come out.
Really I didn't see that one.Oh wow, maybe I saw macbra Then
you may have seen the edited version. I should have said that. I
should have told you that. Buthow did you find this? Um?
Just on YouTube? I looked updemonoid. Let me see if if that's
the title that came up or not. But while we're while I'm doing that,

(56:15):
we can keep talking. M theYeah, so in the version I
watched, it was basically they justshowed the hand on her face. There
was all these cracking sounds. Yeah, then her face was totally normal with
like a little bit of blood smearedon it. Oh okay, but I

(56:36):
thought he crushed one of the heads. He did do a lot of head
crushing in the movie, so maybeI don't. Yeah, well, yeah,
it's weird. The title was demonoid, but maybe it's maybe it's just
was an edited version. Strange.Oh good, yeah, it is what
it is. But I know whatyou mean, Like so you see the
head kind of well, the facebe scrunched up essentially, but then her

(57:00):
face is fine in the wide shot. Yeah it's a little odd. It's
a little odd, um, butmaybe you saw the right queshion um.
I do remember seeing there was somethingwith her skin happening, like it was
like peeling under the hand or something. Yeah, yeah, that's meant crushed
her head. But then it's yeah, yeah, I know it is what
they just couldn't get a good head. I mean, demons. Demons are

(57:22):
never that invested in what they're doing. Otherwise they wouldn't be demons. You
know, if if they were likewe all go get as a very positive,
they'd be angels. But because they'redemons, they're just like, ah,
half crushed her face, so youdidn't go for the full head Nah?
Who I mean, who has time? I think I got the message
with a with a face squidge Andthen yeah, more gambling to do,

(57:45):
more women to formunicate with, morewhatever minds to blow up. That's the
other thing is if you need topossess people, Like, if that's your
need to possess people, why killa bunch of people? I don't know?
And the weird thing is this handwas much more effective doing killing when

(58:06):
it was just a hand. Itwas when it was attached to a person.
Yeah, because every time it's ina person, it just wants to
get cut off from them. Yes, there's a lot of hand cutting in
this movie. It's just fine.Yeah, I mean that that's what it's
you want to see. Yeah,so yeah, that's right. So he
escapes from Vegas. But when doeshe uh, because he gets killed?

(58:30):
Right, Yeah, there's like,wait, there's a fire for some reason.
He need a car accident. He'sin a car accident. Yeah,
is that when the car chase happenswhen they're driving down by the by the
railway and all that. That's agreat there's like a great car chase in
the middle of this movie. That'slit. Yeah, that's toward the end.
I think, well the last thirdof the film. Okay, I'm
trying to look up and remember whyhe crashed his car at that point.

(58:51):
I would saying this in like acouple of weeks. So yeah, some
of it stuck with me. Someof it clearly did not. But I
know that there was he ends upburnt and police car, doesn't he and
then he possesses he know, hecools out of the grave, They bury
him. He cools out of thegrave, he gets burnt up in a
car wreck, they bury him.He cools out of the grave. He

(59:12):
kills a policeman. Right, Who'swho's looking after the graveyard? Yeah,
Well, there's a great bit ofdialogue because because the priest, well,
the wife goes to this priest whereshe found out her husband is bared,
who she hasn't seen because he's beenin Vegas for who knows how long rum.
And then she asked the priests toget the cops to find out if
it was really her husband. Sothey hire a police officer and there's this

(59:32):
great dialogue between them where the priestsis like, um, so the priest
says, um, what kind ofclues will you be looking for? And
then the cops says, in themost depressed tone ever, he's like,
I don't know, these kind ofcreeps really get meat down. And it's
like, I'm sorry, you're sosad about having to find out if this
man was murdered or not, Like, yeah, it's kind of your job.

(59:55):
But that's how Stuart. When andas the priest gets embroiled in this
madness. Yes, because he doesn'tbelieve it at first, she believes it.
She is just onboard with the veryfew clues. She just she sees
her husband grab a hand and thengo crazy and run out of the room,
and then the hand is dust,and she's like, it's gotta be

(01:00:16):
a demon hand possessed him. It'sthe age old story. Yeah, you
know, and listen, Kirk.When you make your vows as a husband
or a wife, it's very importantto see those through and belief is a
big part of those vows, youknow what I mean. So if your

(01:00:37):
spouse is acting a little weird oneday, we had a demon possession.
It's possessed by a demon hand.Makes perfect sense, and you move on.
You don't question it. Don't everquestion believe Kirk. Don't ever question
it because you find out later thatyou're right. Yeah, this one will
save the whole bunch of people.Except everyone. She comes to the context

(01:00:59):
with dice. Yeah, everyone,absolutely everyone. Oops. Sorry I wasn't
ready. I was busy pickling somefish. I like pickling things, fish,
vegetables, running shoes. Anyway,apologies, we sadly have to pause
for some ads. Maybe if moreof you supported us on Patreon. But

(01:01:22):
there it is. The aftermovie Dinerdoesn't endorse any of these advertisers. We
don't even know what you're going tohear. It's forced technical AI wizardry and
don't fool yourself. None of usare in control. The robots are coming
and they want to sell us insurance. What I love about this is apparently

(01:01:45):
the cause for this movie that theidea behind this movie came from a conversation
that Alfredo Zakari has had with apsychiatrist friend on split personalities. The joke
about this movie is no one hasone is possessed long enough to have split
personality. Is the only one thatyou really get the sense from is probably

(01:02:06):
the priest when he gets possessed becausehe's a priest, So everyone but me,
because I'm a heathen, assumes thatpriests are good people. I know
they're not. I know they're justhumans like everyone else. But everyone assumes
he's a good holy person, sothat when his personality becomes possessed by the
devil, he lashes out in moreviolent ways. But that's about it,

(01:02:30):
though, right there's not really mucheven that scene, they don't really explain
his motivations. He's just no,he just flips suddenly. Yeah. Even
when the cup goes to get hishand removed at the Classic surgery center,
he threatens them to remove the handor he'll kill them. But it's never
clear if he's in control of hisbody and just the hand is possessed,

(01:02:53):
or if the hand is possessing himand making him go getting Yeah. I
don't know either, but I didn'tquestion it too often. I just enjoyed
it. And what I didn't realize. What I didn't realize was the nurse
is also the same woman who playedthe topless woman at the beginning who gets
her top ripped off. Same actors. She gets killed twice in this movie,

(01:03:14):
playing two different characters. So theyhad an ad like a call go
out for actors, and it waslike just in like in the newspaper big
boobs, Yes you have them,you can have two roles in this movie.
Two boobs, two roles. That'show we that's how we roll.
On the set of Demonoid, twoboobs, two roles. Hired Erica Carlson,

(01:03:40):
You are hired, um, butgood for her? Would you mind
being topless in the first scene anda slutty nurse Later in the scene,
if I ever tid I'd be like, now, Alfredo, come on now,
can we can we put just alittle subtlety in Nope, I want
to see you not only naked,but in a slutty nurse you form Oh,
Alfredo, you you joker. Butif you get paid for both roles

(01:04:06):
and for both boobs exactly? Yes? Yes? Um? What is this?
Um? The movie is part ofthe notorious German schlif Has series.
Thus it was at April twenty twentyone on German TV station Teley five.

(01:04:28):
Schlif Has is a German abbreviation whichmeans the worst films ever, and that
series two hosts present the whole flickand make fun of it throughout the movie.
Can you imagine what is? Essentiallyit sounds like a German version of
MST three K, Like yeah,and now is that a booby? So
that's ridiculous. This is your firstfilm ever. Let us put on a

(01:04:50):
further herd song movie and be muchmore serious and sensible and look and see
disastrous on via human existence roses inthis moment was the seven and the pumps.
Yeah, it's funny. Sorry,one of them is just a German
gumball machine for some reason. Yeah, I just like regular gumball machines,

(01:05:12):
but more efficient somehow. I lovethat the Germans, who have made truly
some of the most tedious movies onthe planet and also some of the most
bizarre pornography on the planet, consideredthis movie to be one of the worst
first of all time. I'm like, come on now, even puts our
Shie upon to shame anyway, Sothat's why it's one of the worst.

(01:05:33):
It contains no Schizer moments. Yea. Now, if Sis was possessed Butthole
zan, you would have something.Yeah, that's the market for the sque
is German Market's going to be big, there is Uh, it's from David
Hasselhoff. Yeah, hooked on afeeling for the fourteenth time. This is

(01:05:57):
the Hasselhoff I love it. Yeah, as a possessed Butthole does the Shisan's
face. I'm in heaven now.People will put this on a TV series.
I was a past movies ever made. That's true, though it's it's

(01:06:19):
it's it's on IMDb trivia, soI assume that's that's factual. Um.
Well, I think it's awesome thatevery country has their own version of people
making fun of movies, so doI. I don't mean to make fun
of the master race. I meanthe Germans, but you are a ludicrous

(01:06:41):
people. And while I love youdaily, you are a ludicrous people.
Some of the English. The Englishare a ludicrous people. Make fun of
us all you like, just makefun of us. But Germans, I'm
sorry. You started two world wars. You're kind of given up the right
to be outraged. I kind ofbelieve it. I was listening that the
one German list that we have ofthe after died. I cannot believe it.
Listening to the Afternoone Dina, Andnot only did Kirk upset the Mexicanista,

(01:07:05):
but now me, the one germanist. Now I too, am upset
with this comical appropriation of my accent. In true American fashion, We're trying
to now beat all those other countriesfor being the worst country, so pretty
soon we'll eclipse them all. Andjust am I one journalist no shuffled out
of the kitchen into his backyard webto solitary flight that with my life.

(01:07:30):
Now I've wasted it listening to theAfternoone diner. And then he does this
atrocious accent and oh, I'm allupset now and for clem time gone to
go down to the road and eata brat. First, it's not a
dick u a's as soon as thename of the restaurant he goes to.
It's brat. Worst, it's nota petis parteses, but sometimes it is.

(01:08:00):
They have a lot of They havea lot of accidents at the sausage
factory, a lot of unix.Yes, there just fun in every hundred.
Maybe it's a dong accepting that almostbecame a Christopher Walking impression. Maybe
it's a Johnson who knows sausage painhas anyway. Sorry, well, well,

(01:08:26):
uh, let's see the casino,the guy that crushing the woman's face,
U, the nurse, the policeman, that the press policeman. We
get to the h we get tothe plastic surgeons off. Oh but before
that, there's a hilarious moment whereokay, the burned corpse that was buried
has escaped from the grave. Yes, it's all burned except for the one

(01:08:47):
demon hand which man buried self undersome dirt while the body was burning.
Something like that. So this burnedperson is now wandering around, which I
thought that the makeup on that partwas pretty pretty horrifying, like the that
the skull like teeth were exposed andthe flesh was all like charred looking.
But it starts just the most efficientway to take your hand off possible.

(01:09:08):
It just starts ramming it in acar door. Ye, still a pot
hand hilariously pops off, lands inthe driver's seat and starts honking the horn.
Yes, like these annoying people thatlive in my neighborhood who will just
hank their horns at all hours forno reason. I've decided having lived in
a New York Brooklyn neighborhood where muchthe same thing happens that anyone, and

(01:09:30):
also now having been a driver andand been on the freeway and had people
cut me up, and been stoppedto traffic lights with people who won't move
ahead of me, and I've hadall the things right. Never once needed
or felt like or thought about usingmy horn. It never came like it
just I'm not trying to sound betterthan other people, but cook, I'm
better than other people. There arepeople who pull up to the traffic light

(01:09:50):
and within thirty like the traffic lightchanges the man They're already like the traffic
light has just changed. He's gotto put it. You know, he's
gonna put his foot down on theaccelerated the cut. He can't like slam
its foot shoot across the lights.It's a slow gradual process, especially if
you've been you know, dormant atthe light for a long period of time.

(01:10:12):
And people immediately lean on their horn. I want to kill every single
one of them with a possessed hand. And they're like a fifth car back
too for some reason. For theother car, I'm going to assume that
who did they have a driving teacherthat was just like and by pressing the
horn, all other traffic disappears.I think a lot of people are just
assholes. I don't know, Idon't know what you and then butt them

(01:10:36):
of this podcast. You'll also getthe drivers who just park or next to
someone's building and honk on the hornand then yell out their window the name
of the person they want rather thantexting them or calling. The horn is
and yelling is much more efficient,apparently, No, but but that's how
they live their life, Kirk.Yeah, and they just assume the rest
of us should just put up withit. Exactly. That's fine because we

(01:10:59):
do, we're whims and end thepodcast there with a minute of silence.
You're right, I'm gonna walk outinto my backyard cry a solitary tear and
join my one Genman listener, onemy one Mexican listener down at Bratwurst.

(01:11:20):
It's not a penis the nearby restaurantanyway. Yeah. So he then burnt
up corpse that chard. Yeah.The chard corpse is then discovered by the
police officer. Yes, And hethen gets possessed by the hand. He
carries the corpse to a hill,just rolls it down the hill. And
I started cracking up as this guyin a charred costume just started had to

(01:11:41):
roll down this hill till he wasoff camera, and then the cop wanders
off, and I'm like, Iwant to see the movie where the body
went. After that, there's chartcorpse that's just rolling and building up speed
and momentum. It's gonna like hitsome bike ramp that some kids set up
at the bottom of the hill ofa flying Like you mean you want it
to be sort of a weekend burningbut with a skinless corpse. Yeah,

(01:12:02):
And they're trying to explain why thecorpse doesn't have skin like that's exactly well.
The idea would be that this corpsejust keeps moving. It keeps on
running into things that like propel itfurther forward, right, yes, or
like it lands into someone's pool andthen their dog pulls them out and like
near the garbage and then the garbagemen pick it up and throw the back
and then it rolls out and rollsdown another hill onto some old man's wheelchair

(01:12:24):
and falls into an old folks homeand they try to take care of it,
but it's you know, it justgoes on and on from there.
It this dead body just has adventuresthat we all wish. Someone accidentally picks
it up and puts it down agarbage shoot or a laundry shoot or whatever,
and then it comes out. It'swearing like someone's underwear on its head
and like a dress or something.And then someone puts it in the back

(01:12:46):
of a van and takes it toa prison and yeah, I got it.
Yeah, somehow it gets somehow,it wins a gold at the Olympics
by Paul vaulting of some of thehigh bar or something that people like,
and the award goes the corps anda dress and it somehow becomes the President
of America by the end. Bythe end, it ended up fixing all
the problems. Yes, ironically,And that's a beautiful movie that's going to

(01:13:11):
be made any day now by RobertsonMaccus and Tom Hanks. Like a like
a burnt up Forrest Gump about America, where through no fault of its own,
a burnt up corpse it's president allthe most significant moments of American history

(01:13:38):
and no one notices a January six, someone's got out on the end of
a pitchfork outside the outside the buildings. Yeah, someone runs it for office.
It just yeah, it just keeps, yeah, perpetuate it. In
fact, yeah, it becomes itbecomes first. It's like Trump wins in
twenty twenty four with it as it'svice president vice president up corpse Face,

(01:14:03):
but then Trump dies of eating toomany big backs halfway through his second term
as president, and then burnt upcorpse Face becomes automatically the president and then
wages war with Russia or something,and the end of the movie is two

(01:14:24):
atomic bombs are fired, one byAmerica, one by Russia, and corpse
Face just like looks at the cameraand then and then and then it's just
there's a record scratch and it's likeah I and then the credits role,
the credits role, and that's it. That's how we end because burnt up
corpse face as president wages war withRussia and it doesn't end well except for

(01:14:50):
the audience. We all get abig kick out of it. Where were
we? So the policeman, hegets possessed and then what he just goes
to the p Does she find him? What happened? He's in the church
out So they run out, rightsto Whitman and Samantha run out. They
somehow it's like the next day andshe goes to her car which is outside

(01:15:13):
the church. She's gonna get inher car and stayed for some priest love.
Yeah, seeing how how stiff thatcollar really is. Yeah, and
then but then the cop just likea wrestler for no reason. He claims
she hasn't expired. Oh she claims. He claims her vehicle is stolen,
but she says it's a rental.But he just basically kidnaps her. Oh
yeah, that's right. Yes,And I think you think he's gonna kill

(01:15:35):
her, but no, He takesher to the plastic surgeon and demands that
they chop off his hand or he'llkill them death. So then they proceed
to use some sort of caught rizinglike knife. Yeah, they can't give
like you said, they can't givehim any any pain killers. Can't give
me any pain killers or an aestheticor a local uh injection or anything like

(01:15:57):
that. But it is a knifethat, as I cut through your wrist,
will also burn it as well.Yeah, so that you don't bleed.
Yeah, But next scene, he'sthe clap is holding a tray with
his severed hand on it, andthe tray is covered in blood. Yeah,
And I guess I don't know ifhis bloody stump is bleeding or if
it's just a cauterized stump. He'snot stilled, but his stump pi gas

(01:16:18):
is culterized. But wouldn't it cauterizeboth sides? Is it just a Is
it like a toaster where you saidit's to the bagel setting, but only
the one side. Yes, that'sright, Kirk. It's like a toaster
on the bagel setting. That's that'swhat it is. So this special electric
knife as a bagel setting. Thatokay, all right? So then the

(01:16:42):
cop the cop is still up.Here's where I'm confused to because now the
hand is disconnected from the cop.Yeah, and he's is he fighting back?
He does something in that scene,it's pandemonium because the big breasted nurse
just shouts oh no and starts torun in the hand in a hilarious shot,
just jumps to a gun on itsown. I'm surprised she doesn't tear

(01:17:02):
off a costume and run down theroad with the hand pursuing her slowly,
like grabbing at her dress or something. Yeah, like in the I mean
coming out, Freda, what areyou playing at? Can you not give
us two scenes of ridiculous exploitation please? Anyway? Yes? Yeah, But
so the hand grabs the gun,shoots her for some reason, and then

(01:17:24):
attacks the doctor's face I believe startscrushing his face. Yeah, but possesses
him. I think, yeah,okay, And then doesn't he have to
saw his hand off? I think, so do we get a secondhand removal
in that scene? Um? Ithink, oh no, he does it
at the train yard at on thetrain track. So after the car chase,

(01:17:46):
right, yeah, so they gothrough like a bullet style like seventies
car chase, which I thought wasexcellent. I mean, this was another
thing where I'm like, you've givenme a few possessions. You've given me
a guy crawling out of the earth, if you've given me you know,
car door slamming, You've given mepossessed policeman, You've given me sloodiness,

(01:18:06):
and now you're gonna give me acar chase. That's not bad for a
low budget movie called Demonoid. Yeahyeah, which is only an hour and
I think twenty minutes something like that, something like that, and he packs
that hour in twenty minutes with apunch, Yeah yeah, unlike today's movies
of like three and a half hours, where half the movie is just people
sitting around looking sad, like,Oh, I've I've made a horror movie

(01:18:29):
and it's two and a half hourslong. I'm like, there's no way
on earth you can sustain horror suspensedrama for two and a half hours.
You can't. You can have alittle bit of horror and then a whole
lot of nothing and then tomorrow atthe end. But dad does not a
horror movie make people who made MidsummerI think Midsummer is one of the rare

(01:18:51):
ones that works. But I thoughtthat was more of a comedy than a
horror movie in some ways. Tobe honest, maybe that's why it worked,
because you can't make a comedy thatthree hours either, because after about
forty five minutes you're done laughing atlike this podcast that we're both just crying.
The listener can't see it, butwe just have tears screaming down our
faces. Single solitary tear. Andthen after the bratwall shop so, um,

(01:19:15):
I'm also drooling profusely, yes,profuse rule um so car chase,
uh cop death right right, thenthe hand severed by the train running it
over on the train tracks, whichwas weird because they put in this non
digetic sound that sounded like a songwith a woman screaming over it as the

(01:19:39):
hand was severed. Yeah, andmaybe the only scream he could find when
he was in the edit suite wasfrom another movie, and he was like,
how do I get rid of thescore of the Saw the movie?
Don't worry about it, just justuse that the Wilhelm scream. But instead
of just having the clean Wilhelm screen, he got it off another movie where
it's like brass band playing in thebackground or whatever. All Right, that's

(01:20:02):
probably that's the most plausible explanation.I think. Yeah. So then the
hand hitches a ride on the railroad. Um, right, And this is
where the priest is like, hey, maybe something's going on here. Maybe
something's going on here. There's aburned corpse that slammed its own the crawled

(01:20:24):
out of the grave and slammed itsown hand off in a police card door.
Maybe something's going on here, justmaybe. Yeah. Yeah, So
because he's suspicious of this, hegoes to his h his stained glass window
making factory or whatever. Another hugeexpense. I mean, I get it.

(01:20:44):
They wanted him to be able tohave like something that could burn the
hand or whatever. But still,yeah, but he's he's a priest,
he was a boxer. In anotherscene, he's got all these like how
do you how does he have timeto do all this stuff? Well,
because he never runs a service,and the whole movie, Sundays come and
go and his parishioners are just satthere being like is he not showing up

(01:21:05):
again? Why he's dealing with apossessed seventh hand. Oh well, well,
then if he's dealing with a possessedseventh hand, I suppose we can
cut him a break. Second weekcomes by, still he hasn't done with
a possessed hand yet he's still wellactually this year, this week he's welding
together some stained glass windows. Well, he does do a very good job
with stained glass, so it's allacceptable. I suppose they just mill around,

(01:21:30):
they eat a bit of the Eucharistand fuck off anyway. So he's
just like days Priest Mocky now,like he's just good at everything. He
can do whatever the plot needs himto do. Yeah, yeah, so
right, if he needed to likeshoot the hand into space, he'd suddenly
being trained astronaut, like it wouldall just be fine. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, exactly Like in the sequel, when inevitably the Demon Hand goes

(01:21:54):
to space, he'll be he'll beflying the shuttle in the fourth one Demon
Well wait, right, but ifthe sequels out a demon butt, does
the do we continue with demon butor is it like the third one is
like a demon penis and the fourthone is like a demon shoulder or so,
I don't know, like does shoulderor something. Yeah, once they've

(01:22:21):
run run the franchise dry, thenthey've got to go to like son of
Demon Hand and bring back to theto the hand again, and that's the
one to five fingers. The sonof Demon Hand is like five individual fingers.
There's no hand, it's just littlefingers wandering around. And then you
go to space. Yeah, Sonof Demon Hand in space, and the

(01:22:42):
thing is they fly to the Sun, which is why the title is very
clever. Oh yeah, I likethat to two meanings. And Stuart Whitman
is an astronaut who goes to theSun and performs an exorcism. Yeah,
because the Sun gets possessed by thefingers obviously obviously, but then by performing
the exorcism, the Sun dries up, and then the Earth is without the

(01:23:02):
Sun, and everything on Earth aswe know it dies. Yeah, and
then we're all just in hell andthen everywhere. Yeah. And then it's
demonoid son of Demon Hand, sonof son of Son of the Sun Demon
Hand in Hell Part eight. Freddieversus Jason, Freddy's hand versus Jason's had

(01:23:30):
That's that's what what is it?Freddy's gloved hand. On the other hand,
it's Freddy's golf hand. Otherwise itwould be wildly mismatched. Jesus hands
smashing it well, Jason's hand iscarrying a Machette. Of course, yes,
all right, you've got to headBleeds against Bleeds, Yeah, Bleeds
against Bleeds. And basically then itbecomes part of the puppet Master franchise and

(01:23:55):
people can't figure out how, butit does. Like Freddy's hand puts on
a puppet and then Charles Band showsup and he's like, oh yeah,
puppet Master eleven. You're like,Charles, I don't understand how you're still
making money, and he's like,well, it's simple. We took bigger
things and made them much smaller andthen gave Gary Busey a job voicing them.
I don't know how that works,Charles, but good luck to you,

(01:24:17):
sir, Charles Band the only man. I mean, you understand how
Trauma is still going kind of,and you understand how Roger Corman is still
doing stuff. You just don't understandhow Charles Band is still What about Ginger
dead Man eight? You're like,what did we not say all we needed
to say with Ginger dead Man one? Anyway? Yeah, I don't know.

(01:24:38):
Some people are just complete this oncethere's another sequel. They got to
see the next one. Yeah,yeah, the Evil Bong five Tommy Chong
returns. Oh, wonderful, excellent. I see what he did there,
Charles Bongs, Tommy Chong, Ohpart so funny. But didn't he back
when he was doing Full Moon?He wanted to He wanted to do back

(01:25:00):
then what like Marvel is doing nowat the Cinematic Universe. He wanted all
these sort of horror characters his umbrellato eventually interact, Yeah versus is it
Dollman versus Demon Toys or something likethat. Yeah, I think Corey Feldman,
isn't it. Yeah, that one'sterrible. Basically, any of the
sequels to those movies were all terrible. Yeah, and there's the one.

(01:25:21):
I mean they all over Yeah,they all inter twine a little bit.
I would have liked to have seenDollman versus Trance as Jack Death, so
that Tim Thomason could have played JewelRoles. Oh my god, that'd be
amazing. That would have been fantastic. And talking to his smaller self,
smaller self. Yeah, and HelenHunt shows up because I don't know what
I'm doing here because they're not payingme, but I'll just I'll show up

(01:25:44):
because of nostalgia reasons. They're like, wow, I ask when Helen Hunt
is she ask when I don't knowif she's want to ask anyway, probably
at least nominated I don't and probablyanother part in the hospital scene possessed doctor
for some reason. Instead of justinjecting Jenny if the knockout drugs, whatever
they are, he pokes her repeatedlyin different parts of the body until she

(01:26:05):
falls down, and then he givesher one final poke and injects her.
And I don't understand why who isthat again? Sorry, the doctor who
had performed the hand removal surgery.He then becomes possessed. He chases um
Samantha Egger out of the room andjust starts poking her with his big comical
looking needle, like a big toyneedle. But anyway, that was an

(01:26:30):
earlier scene. We've moved on.I just wanted to her what was all
that about? I don't know.Yeah. Then yeah, so car chase
train hand and eventually we get likethe priest gets possessed and then he performs
like stigmas are on his own handor something, nails a thing through his

(01:26:51):
is it through his handle through hiswrist? He traps the hand through the
glass, right, yeah, andthen nails something through it so it pull
itself back out of the glass,right, even though it's a super strong
demon hand. Yeah, but yeah, And that's almost the end of the
movie though, because he's Yeah,there was one part just before that I

(01:27:14):
wanted to touch on because it wasI think unintentionally meta. But there's a
moment where the priest is just drivingdown the road and some cop comes up
to him and it's like, there'sa car crash, could you go pray
for the driver. He goes upto it. The driver is already dead,
but he sees that the hand ismissing, so that's where you find
out the hand is still on theloose. But then you hear one of
the cops in the background go,he's dead. And it cuts to Samantha

(01:27:36):
Egger's hotel room. She's watching TVand you hear from the TV screen someone
else say he's dead for real.So it's this weird multilayered like meta commentary.
So within the fake world of themovie, someone is dead. And
then you go to the within theeven faker world of her TV screen in
the movie, and someone is deadfor real. So which world is real?

(01:27:57):
Is it ours or is it thefake TV world? I don't even
know. Anymore. I think we'reliving in a fake TV world. I
just don't know who's watching anymore.O deep, deep, deep, but
as deep as a mine, whichis like a woman, Yes, which
is like a vagina or a butthole. Take a pick. We have multiple

(01:28:18):
orifices for you too, or amouth. I suppose it could be like
a mouth, or the hole atthe end of a penis. Let's not
forget about that. That's also arvous. Technically, it is technically an
orifice. I just don't want toput anything down it, although some people
do. Yeah, we find thosevideos online if you look. No,

(01:28:39):
no, never, never look forthem. The optimite DONA does not condone
any of the things that your childrenmight google. For shoving stuff down the
tips of your penis, we donot condone it. We do not agree
with it. Stop putting things downthe end of your penis. Nobody cares.
And then go ahead, but doit in the privacy your own home.

(01:29:00):
Don't film it, don't send peoplephotographs of it, don't. Yeah,
just unless you're going to upload itto the Internet for the world to
see, then go right ahead.No, don't don't do that in any
way at all. Nobody cares.Nobody cares. It's not that I'm against
you doing it. I'm against youfeeling the need to tell everyone about it,
right, But how can you trulyenjoy that experience if you don't brag

(01:29:26):
to everyone after doing it. Thepeople who this is what the people who
nail things into their penis and tellpeople about it are, to me the
same kind of people who would removetheir Spotify accounts and tell people about it.
Nobody cares do it. If youwant to do it, it's absolutely

(01:29:46):
fine. We all we all agreewith your right to do it. You
don't need to tell everyone about it, and you certainly should not have any
moral superiority over jamming something in theend of your penis or deleting your Spotify
account. That's how I feel aboutthat. What if you were somehow able
to jam your Spotify account inst yourpenis or through like a thumb driver.

(01:30:12):
Yeah, a penis drive, sure, but only if that thumb drive contained
the entire run of the Joe Roganpodcast. I don't no one wants that
inside of them. Some people do, apparently, and that's fine. Just
don't tell people about it. Juststop. Here's the thing. When I
say we're all living in a badTV show. It's because we all think

(01:30:36):
we have our own TV show.Stop telling people about it. Nobody cares.
We don't care what you have forlunch. I don't care whether or
not you have a Spotify account,and we certainly don't care what you've stuck
into the end of your penis.None of those things are things that anyone
else on the planet genuinely cares about. We're just going to pretend that we
do, and then news organizations aroundthe world are going to report on it

(01:30:58):
as if it's a it's news,or as if it's it's not news.
It's not a thing, doesn't matter, It hasn't changed anything. So stop
doing it or start doing it.That's up to you. Just don't tell
me about it, because I don'tcare. Stop giving all this attention to
these penis stabbers in the media.Yeah, can you can you imagine if

(01:31:21):
the news got so redundant that itstarted like reporting on this podcast, if
it means if you turned on theJews and it was like Kirk and Chad
had a twenty minute conversation where theywere comparing the redundancy of leaving Spotify to

(01:31:42):
ramming things down the head of theirpenis and then made some thinly veiled commentary
on the media, and then itwould be like matter. It would be
so meta, it would have beenlike culture would have really at that point
entirely eaten itself. Yeah, becausethen other pod we'd be talking about,
Yes, what we said on thispodcast. We do a podcast that specifically

(01:32:04):
comments on news stories about another podcast. Those exist, they do, they
do, and it keeps it keepsall the hype going. I guess it
does so constant perpetual motion of nonsenseand gibberish and ask clownery. Anyway,

(01:32:26):
I don't know how we keep slidingdown this. These orifice rabbit holes,
rabbit holes that could also be comparedto orifices if you wanted to. It's
true, just rabbits going in andout of them, rabbit orifices, which
by all accounts are very busy becausethey have a lot more children than almost
any other animal. Oh yeah,the listeners to think about that, does

(01:32:54):
this tie the whole orifice THEMD subsubject matter of this podcast us neatly into
a bow? Or are we stillgoing on? Or drop we can drain
from this. We'll put a pinin it from that step. By it,
I mean the penis very carefully puta pin in it. Ouch.

(01:33:18):
I just I just like mentally winced. Yeah, yes, we're probably everyone
stopped listening by this point, everyonestopped listening to it, and they're like,
are they still trying to complete thepart of this film? John,
We're not watching this movie. We'vewe've You may want to champion this film

(01:33:39):
as some last B movie, butno, we're not watching it. John.
You have not done a good enoughjob of promoting this film at all.
We do, however, want tosee the sequel that's all about Butts,
of course, at which point myjournalist who is run back in,
Yeah, yeah, I've unto seasonbut film. He please makes about film.

(01:34:03):
But I'm definitely never watching Demonoid.So Kirk, wrap this up.
What did you What do you thinkabout the film? What are your pro
points, your criticisms? Would youever watch this again? And all of
that good stuff? Huh, let'ssee. I think this movie. I
respect it because it took a lotof chances and try to pack a lot

(01:34:26):
of interesting maybe not ideas but actionsmovie. Yeah, there's no ideas.
It's not saying anything. It's noteven saying anything like, you know,
I guess it's the idle hands ofthe Devil's playground or whatever, but I
mean it's it's not really even that, because it's not like the only guy
who goes off and sort of sinsonce he becomes possessed is the husband at

(01:34:49):
the beginning goes to Vegas and whatever. But it's not like if the movie
was he got possessed and then likesinned repeatedly and he was gambling and fornicating
and drinking and fight thing and whatever, and then became president, that would
be one thing, but that isn'twhat it is. He gambles a bit,
gets in a bit of trouble,and then dies in the cards.

(01:35:11):
From there, it's just a gameof hot potato with a hand hot hand,
Yeah, just going from person toperson because for some reason it wants
to attach to her, but itnever gets a chance because the priest at
the end. Yeah, we didn'ttalk about the final scene in the movie,
but yes, yeah, so thiswas confusing. I don't know if

(01:35:33):
we were supposed to think that thepriests just managed to wrestle back his own
self, you know, his ownconsciousness or whatever that the demon had controlled.
Yes, the power of God,Kirk, why do you deny it?
But also I don't know. Itseemed like she was also being hypnotized
by the hand somehow. So shehad this knife in her hand. She

(01:35:53):
walks up to it, gives itto him, He picks up, and
then she puts her face in thehand for some reason which he wants to
get possessed by it. I guess. Oh see, she understood how this
works better than I did. Thenthe priest really need it. With five
minutes about the Regga training movie inthe middle, like Strega goes to YouTube,

(01:36:15):
watches a five minute how does thishandwork? YouTube video, and then
she's like, oh, okay,we're good. Now we're good to go
for the rest of the movie.If this was made in like anywhere anytime
after the nineties, there would havebeen that she would have been typing into
the internet, black clacky how demonhands work? The whole story? How

(01:36:38):
do demon hands work? Google?Like, do you mean Damon's hands?
And what Damon are you talking about? Damon Alband? He doesn't like Taylor
Swift. Oh no, that's awhole other thing. Carry on. Yeah,
but anyway, Yeah, I guessSo that's my main objection in the
movie is that I didn't understand whatthe inner logic was any of this,

(01:37:00):
right, But there were enough entertaining, weird, and oftentimes hilarious scenes that
I enjoyed watching it, So Iwould I would recommend watching it at least
once. I don't know if I'llever rewatch it, okay, but I
will remember. Well, they threwit in the ocean at the end of
the movie, right, and thenit comes back onto dry land and finally
attacks from Anthago in her apartment,yeah, which was hilarious because the way

(01:37:23):
they clue you into the fact thatit came backwards, there were just puddles
of water, huge puddles of water, all of her own, all over
her apartment. Yeah. And I'mjust thinking, how wet was this hand?
And did did she live in themiddle of the ocean, Like,
is that what it is that crawled? Was that really a house boat they
just never stopped at maybe? Andthe hand hilariously also managed to mail her

(01:37:45):
a package, yes, which containssome still wet seaweed from the ocean.
So I don't know what kind ofexpress delivery. It's a pranks to hand
this hand has a grand scheme ofthings. It's like Jason nailing up all
his bodies to find have them befound at the end of the movie,
or all Michael Myers, you know, positioning all the bodies so that they

(01:38:05):
fall out of closets and stuff like. That's the scene I want to see
in Halloween that we don't see isMichael Myers going, oh, waite,
tush. She gets a load ofthis, carrying right the dead body up
to the closet and ringing it,checking it a couple of times to make
sure that the body swings down correctly, and then like setting it back up
again, and and then she's cominghome and he's like, oh shit,

(01:38:25):
I better hide in the cupboard.And then you know, Yeah, there's
a scene in Halloween that makes melaugh every time. We're it's weird.
Who's the actress and that I can'tI remember her name? Jamie Lee Curtis,
Yes, Jamie Lee Curtis and herlike friend are walking down the sidewalk
and there's this row of bushes,right, Yeah, you see you see
him peek around. You see hejust stands in the sidewalk and then moves

(01:38:46):
away. And yeah, but thenshe walks up to find him and he's
gone. I want to see theshout of him, like sprinting to get
away from her. He'll go downand around the other house because it's like
good, fifty or sixty feet away, like, yes, just disappeared that
first, Yeah, I mean thatwould it would be hilarious if you made
a movie that was all the bitsin between, like all the normal scary

(01:39:11):
bits, you know what I mean, which they tried to do it,
like with a Friend of the Thirteenthremake. They tried to explain why he
could be in several places at oncequickly by saying, well, there are
tunnels under the ground, and itcompletely spoiled because then you've got this idea
that Jason's like, wow, Igot to go down to the tunnel and
run like it became stupid because anyexplanation is stupid, like any Yeah,

(01:39:32):
because it needs to be mysterious.Yes, Why is it that Michael Myers
only walks slow enough that she canget into the house even though she doesn't
have keys and the kids have tocome out of the top bedroom, come
down, open the door, etc. Before he even gets to her house,
even though it's only crossing the road. But when she goes up to
look behind the bush to see ifMichael Myers is there, he's been round,

(01:39:53):
as you say, like he's beenable to run through several gardens without
being seen, and he has tocome back and then hide out in the
laundry menacingly. Exactly. Yeah,Well, the crossing the road makes sense
because he's wearing that mask with limitedvision and it's nighttime, so he had
to look. Yeah, wild lookshe had to give in order to be

(01:40:13):
able to see out of the maskholes to see whether to his eyes,
yeah, yelp, his full periphery, so that took him a little bit.
Yeah, but you're right, Yeah, it's all it's all ludicrous,
much in the same way that thehand pranking her with a with a parcel
full of seaweed, only to thenwhat is it It throws her through a

(01:40:36):
glass table, doesn't it doesn't itsmash the glass table at the very end?
Oh yeah, the last shot.Okay, So they also did some
weird like Eisensteinian juxtaposition editing where they'relike they cut back, but she's like
whirling around screaming, I love thatyou've just chused to phrase Eisensteinian juxtaposition editing
to talk about the final scenes ofDemonoid Messenger of Deck. That's fantastic carryac.

(01:41:02):
Yeah, well, you and Iboth went to film school, so
we're highly intelligent, yes, filmwatchers, which is why we watch total
crap. I love this movie.It's love title crap. But yeah,
it's not crap. It's just soweird. But yeah, they cut to
the shot of a mummy from likeearlier in the scene. It's like a
freeze frame of her, and thenthey cut to this mummy's face, back

(01:41:23):
to her, back to the mummy, and I'm like, all right,
you just took me out of themoment. This is like the final shot
of the movie. She goes spinningaround some more, and then a very
rubbery looking dummy with bloodle over itsface crashes through a glass table towards the
camera. Yeah, that's it.That's the end of the movie. But
it's a bold like from from myway of thinking, it's like, you

(01:41:44):
know, everyone expects sort of thatfinal scene, right, and you would
think maybe the hand jumps out ofa closet, or the hand, you
know, jumps out, maybe thehand comes out of a grave, or
maybe the hand, you know,but the idea that also chop the hand
up before you throw it away inthe ocean, Like they just toss it
and they just go out in aboat. It's like, well, I
guess we're far enough away from Ithought they burned it up right, they

(01:42:06):
burned it to ashes, but thenit reforms, I guess. But it's
I mean either way, like domore than just I don't know, do
something. Yeah, maybe they burnit. Do they burn it? Did
they burn it? He burns itwith a blowtorch because it's right near his
like his window kiln or whatever.Okay, but then they just something the
ashes in the ocean. Yeah,and the eulogy for his hand is he

(01:42:30):
doing? He's like ashes to ashes? My hand always wished to be dumped
into the ocean, I know,because it was my hand and it told
me it was my best friend.Any of that. But yes, that
would be amazing if he did.This is what my hand always wanted.
Um, we had a loving relationship, a physical relationship for many many years.

(01:42:54):
I mean, why didn't it justgo around trying to wink people off,
Like surely that's what a demon handwould do, just whanking, you
know, but it doesn't the dick'soff at the end. It wants to
get you to sing against the Lordand then rip off your penis. Yeah,
this demon hand at no point makesanyone wank, which I just think
is a missed opportunity. Um,but again, hilarious if it just started

(01:43:16):
master reading in public every chance hegot. The owner of the hand was
just like who whoa no, no, no, no, like at work
or he's on a zoom call,and yeah, it's not it's my demon
hand. Sorry, sure, Alan, your demon hand, we understand.
Um. And that guy who becamepresident, so uh, that would be

(01:43:42):
the movie, like he's wanking offon a zoom call instead of being fired.
The guys like, we liked yourbold decision to masturbate in front of
your coworkers. We're gonna make youpresident of the company. Um. Anyway,
but I thought it odd that theyused a shot of a rubber dummy
instead of it he's cutting to herface, like dead on the floor or
something, because ending the movie witha very obvious fake version of your actress

(01:44:06):
is an ardu. Well, you'vegot to assume that if you're slamming something
through a glass plat glass, youknow table, that's not going to be
the real Samantha Egger. I guessright, I know what you're saying.
But like you're saying, if youcan't do it right, don't do it
at all, I guess. Orjust cut to a shot of her like
on the floor afterwards of blood likepooling out, and then cut cut there

(01:44:29):
so you know she's dead. Butat least you've ended with your your actual
actress instead of a goofy looking rubberprop, you know what I mean.
Well you could have had you couldhave had the shot from under the table.
Samantha Regga, the actress like almostsped up, ramming her face to

(01:44:50):
the table. Then you stop cuttwo behind her head and her head goes
through the table, and that's whenit to the dummy, and that's when
it's the dummy, and then itcuts to her head on the floor,
I guess. But that doesn't havequite the visual pop of what appears to
be a single shot scene. Idon't know how bad, Like I've never

(01:45:14):
I've never seen sugar glass, youknow, the glass they jumped through and
smash and stuff. But could yougo through sugar glass or shove your face
through sugar glass with your eyes open. It probably hurt, right, I
think because in the movie she's likeshe's like in a scream pose and her
face goes through the table. I'mjust trying to think of other ways you
could do it, But I reallydon't think that, I mean without CGI.

(01:45:38):
You know, yeah, they didthe best they could with their budget.
I'm sure. Yeah, I appreciatedthat. I understood what they were
going for. I mean, forexample, yesterday I had a Sydney party
a day, I had a Saturdayof Sydney, and I watched the Definant
Ones. And at the beginning ofthe Definant Ones, the truck that they're
all in, the prisoners are allin that overturns that Sydney party and Tony

(01:46:00):
Curtis run out of and start thewhole defined One's movie is clearly, very
very clearly a toy car going downa little mud hill into a miniature of
fence. Like it's very clearly aminiature like there's you know, I mean,
yeah it's black and white, theygot rain on it and whatever,
but it's very clearly a miniature.Do I attack what is a classic two

(01:46:27):
hand or of cinema between eminent actorsTony Curtis and Sidney Partier because of a
slightly dodgy by today's standards stunt,or do I applaud them for effort?
Do you know what I mean?Yeah, and I still I would definitely
prefer practical effects, even if they'regoofy looking over a CGI, which if

(01:46:49):
they had, if this is madetoday, there would have been computer generated
glass spinning in slow motion as shecame through it and fake blood streaming out
of it. Yeah. But I'mjust saying, like, do that final
do that crazy shot and then atleast end on a shout at your actress,
like right her face as a closeup or something, right, Yeah,
that's that's my own Or her buttto indicate the sequel, to indicate

(01:47:14):
the sequel, Like what if she'sdead and then it just sums in on
her butt and her butt goes likeher butt chuckles. That's how the movie
ends, because the butt is stillpossessed. Yeah, I mean, and
that's how that's how the sequel comesto me. The sequel starts with saman

(01:47:35):
Samantha Rega's possessed but running him up. She's just walking backwards everywhere for some
reason. Why Yeah, I likethat it assumes in and her her asshold
just chuckles. And then there's alittle musical sting and it fades to black.
And by a little musical sting,I mean the musician sting but in

(01:47:56):
it, but played by a dwarf. Just now in this movie would have
the most bizarre moving out ending ofany movie ever made. But at the
same time you'd be like, that'sfantastic. Yeah, that sets it right

(01:48:18):
up for the sequel. And inthe sequel, everyone who comes in contact
to this backward walking yeah, islike, you've changed since you got your
face rammed the glass takeball by thathand and your butt started laughing. You've
changed since you went to that plasticsurgeon that just gives everyone enormous boobs,
whether they asked for it or not. Um No, I think this that.

(01:48:39):
I think that could be a perfectlysatisfactory way to end a film,
uh and set it up for asequel. And I think that everyone would
enjoy that. Um And then ifhe didn't make the sequel, this would
be the movie where it just endswith a laughing butt and it would be
seal it's spot in cinematic history.Well, because years ago, like people

(01:49:00):
forget. But like, the reasonwhy I became a big Evil Dead fan
was that one day I was sataround in the pub with a bunch of
people, a couple of people whowere older than me who worked at our
college, a V department, sixPhone College between sixteen and eighteen, and
we sat around and having lunch inthe pub, and one of them,
you know, we were all talkinghorror movies because we were all at that

(01:49:20):
point in our late teens where youstart to really kind of discover, you
know, movies and who you are, and da da da da, and
one of the guys from much olderguys from the AV department kind of went,
oh, man, you would loveEvil Dead And I was like evil
Dead and he was like, yeah, it's insane. This woman gets raped
by a tree like that was theline he uses, right, And I

(01:49:43):
was like, like, my headimmediately went into like, how's that even
possible? There's a tree running throughthe phone, Like, I was like
how immediately was like, what doyou mean a woman was raped by a
tree? Now, obviously, onceI saw it, I was disappointed because
I'm like, it was in Englandand it was still cut at that point,
and any kind of No, Iwasn't really disappointed, but when I
watched it, I was like,oh my god, it's an amazing with
me. Um, but that's whatyou need get a lot cut out of

(01:50:06):
it. Was it like considered avideo nasty year, which, yes,
evil, there was evil. Therewas a video nasty. There was even
court proceedings against it. Sam Ramyshowed up and it was thrown out of
court, like it didn't go allthe way, but there were court proceedings
against it. Um. Sam Ramyflew all the way to England and then
the judge before they could even start, was like, I've watched the film.
It's clearly a fantasy, like thisisn't that there's no reason to uh,

(01:50:31):
you know, bring this up oncharges because it's like nothing. This
was actors in a word, doinga thing. It's clearly a fantasy.
Like, sorry, you came allthis way, mister Raymy could bye wow
and threw it out of course,um, because it's yeah, I mean,
there's there's nothing in Evil Dead.Yes, it's violent and graphic and
has a bunch of stuff in it, but like it's a fantasy. Felt
like it's you know, it's acamera moving through a wood. It's not

(01:50:56):
purporting to be actual abuse or actualanything, you know what I mean,
No one's going to be No one'sgoing to be imitating it in their lives.
Like well, maybe they'll be tryingto some of demons, but you're
not going to be able to becausedemons aren't real, so right, and
plus you got to hit a handthat it emon wants to drive around like
a car. So but I'm justsaying, like back in the day,
that sentence tree drives away woman orwhatever conjured up so many images. I

(01:51:21):
was like, I have to seethat movie, like it was a tagline.
Not because I'm obsessed with like abuseon women or anything, but just
because that sentence alone is silly enoughthat makes you kind of go, well,
what how is that? Like howdo they even film that? Without
it being right? It sounds totallysurreal, Like how would you Yeah,
so if you said, but John, have you seen the movie that ends

(01:51:42):
with a laughing but it would belike, what do you mean it ends
with a laughing like Jim Carey doinghis pants gag from a spenture. No,
no, no, no, thisis a demon possessed close up of
an actual laughing butthole and that's howthe movie ends. You would be like,
well, I have to see thatthat exactly, you know what I

(01:52:04):
mean? Now on the Internet,everyone's seen everything, and everything can be
seen and then it is what itis. You don't there's that. There's
not that that shock value anymore,you know, as the rent a video
based on its crazy VHS artwork,right right, because all you get is
a square on a on a streamingplatform that you're just scrolling by, going

(01:52:25):
there's never anything to watch. There'snever anything to watch, yeah, because
there is nothing ever to watch becausethere's less movies on all the streaming platforms
combined than there was in one videoshop. Oh yeah, definitely, yeah,
And but all of them are onesthat the streaming service you're using knows
you want to watch based on everythingelse you've watched, which, yes,

(01:52:46):
it'll just show you something. Wewould be like, what why would I
want to watch this? They donot know what I want to watch.
I love to confuse them as wellby occasionally watching like a whole Park movie,
like occasionally watching the soppiest romantic filmavailable, and they're like, wait,
Death Wish three, Demonnoid, youknow, evil, whatever it is.
And then like I don't know,people kissing flowers or something, and

(01:53:10):
you're like, this doesn't make anysense. We don't know how to do
an algorithm for that. Occasionally towatch a musical with like care Bears the
movie or something like, we don'tunderstand like what we don't like the algorithms
going crazy and I'm just sat theregay yeah, and then it just has
to give you some random thing likewe think you'll like it's full house.

(01:53:30):
There's nothing to do with anything elseI've watched. It's just throwing whatever it
can it. The algorithm is scrabblingfor like a movie that's a musical that
features talking teddy bears that's also gotwins Houser in it, and they're just
like, we don't know what.That doesn't exist because that's that's on Hulu
or or else. Yeah, it'snot on the one you're watching. It's
not on the one you're watching,right, And no true platform has managed

(01:53:51):
the cross platform search engine thing likethat doesn't exist, Like even my Apple
TV, Like when I use myMIC on my Apple TV remote and I
just I'll say a random movie likeyesterday we're watching Sidney Potty. In movies,
I wanted to know if they callme mister Tibbs. The sequel to

(01:54:13):
Win The Heat of the Night wasstreaming anywhere, so I went, they
call me mister Tibbs. And AppleTV will pull from like some of the
streaming services I have, but notall of them. So like like Stars,
it doesn't pull from Paramount Plus orwhatever. It doesn't pull from like
none that it will pull from Netflix, Hulu, Apple TV, an HBO
Max or whatever. Like it picksand chooses like what it will show you.

(01:54:38):
But sometimes I go and I lookon Stars and they're like the movies
available, but Apple TV won't tellme. So even something like that that
that will search a lot of yourdownloaded streaming apps, it won't search all
of them. Yeah, and there'sjust there's way too many separate streaming apps.
Now. Yeah you can, youcan find a few things you want

(01:54:58):
to see on each one, butthey never have everything you want. What
I end up doing, which ishilarious, is every time I either do
a free trial of a streaming appor purchase a new streaming app, I
go through like I spend a daylike going through all their movies and stuff
and making a list, going wheneverI want to watch something, I'll just
go to this list because I've alreadydone. I've already whittled it down to

(01:55:20):
the ones that I want to watch. I never go back to the list
ever. All I ever to doso put the streaming channel and like scroll
and just go there's never anything onthis channel, and then leave and put
a Blu ray in. That's allI ever do. They'm like, why
am I paying for all these streamingchannels in I don't know. I do

(01:55:40):
something similar where I scroll through andI'm like, oh, that sounds good.
I want to watch that, butnot right now. I'll save it
to my whatever saved things. Andthen I'm like, there's nothing I want
to watch right now. They didn'tmake the perfect movie for the mood I'm
in at this very moment. SoI love it when they try and get
too granular with the categories as well. Oh yeah, like when, because
if you look up like comedy onAmazon Prime, it then starts to give

(01:56:03):
you action comedy, horror comedy,musical comedy, comedy in which Adam Sounder
falls over into a cowpat or whatever, like it just keeps you know,
comedy which features flying fish, comedywhich features, a laughing butthole whatever,
like it just keeps going and you'relike, I don't want any of it,
Can I just can you just showme all comedies? They just I

(01:56:26):
just want to show me all comediesbecause I'll decide we just all yeah,
just all movies. Just alphabet tize. I don't care, just like I
just want to see what's everything,because otherwise you get all these little miniature
menus that all basically have the samemovies in them. Yeah, same ten
movies in them that they're trying toget you to watch. Yeah, And
that's all you can find unless youdo a search for something you know is

(01:56:46):
on there, right, So whatdo I end up using? And this
is this is the other reason whyGoogle will never go away, is because
all I end up doing is bringup my phone googling Demonoid streaming, and
then Google list all the places itmight be streaming. And then if you
click videos at lists all the placeswhere the video might be. And that's
the only way I can ever ultimatelytell if I get and if I Google

(01:57:11):
something and I don't see it streaminganywhere, then I know I have to
either go buy the Blu ray orrent it. On Amazon or Apple or
iTunes or whatever, or email myfriend and go, oh go and shoot
me a sneaky digital copy of it. But those are the three options depending
on what I want to watch,because I've I've definitely started the year doing

(01:57:35):
what I've been doing, like callinglike the IMDb movie watch in other words,
start with an actor or a directorand just like watch ten of their
movies back to back, just tokind of get a handle on it.
So yesterday I did four Sydney Pottymovies. Last week I did about nine
Robert in te movies. People arelike, wait, you watched less Sidney

(01:58:00):
party a movies. A classically trained, incredibly aerodine and fantastic charismatic cinematic performer.
You watch four of his movies.But Robert Guinty, a guy who
looks weirdly like a hamster with amullet, who you know, mumbling through
cereal, you watch nine of hismovies. I'm like, yeah, yeah

(01:58:21):
it did. I'm sorry. Maybeit made some movies where he's he's doing
a fleet throw already to kill people. Yep, you know, yep.
Get a little more, a littlemore real estate in your brain. Definitely,
definitely sometimes just the name Robert Guintyis enough. It's so for me.

(01:58:42):
That's such a funny name. Idon't know why, like Robert Guinty,
Like it just makes me laugh.It sounds like a something for like
it like Squinty Year, like yeah, shrimpy year. I don't. I
just pictured this little little angry littleguy. Oh you're feeling a bit guinty
today. Yeah, I am feelinga bit guinty today. Yeah. Um,
you know, I didn't have mybowl movement this morning, and I'm
just feeling a bit guinty. Butthat's just enough to make me go,

(01:59:10):
how did this guy sustain a careerfor three decades? But he did.
He sustained a career for three decadesplus. I mean, like like I
would kill to have his career,do you know what I mean? Like
Robert Guinty's career, Like he traveledto far flunk corners of the globe.
He made movies with all sorts ofweird character actors. You know, he

(01:59:30):
often got to be the star ofhis own movie. He got to do
bar fights and you know, boatchases and love scenes and like he just
he just got to be the Guinty. And I just he's got no discernible
talent like he's got No, youcan't pinpoint what. He's not particularly handsome,

(01:59:55):
he's not particularly rugged, he's notmuscular or whatever. He's got a
weird voice. He doesn't de ofa dialogue particularly well. Um He occasionally,
for no apparent reason, wears apink, flancy scarf and a cut
off denim jacket just in the middleof a movie, which does not suggest
that his character would wear that,but just in one scene he wears it

(02:00:15):
and gets away with it. Hejust had such a he just carved out
a niche for himself. And youknow, it's like Samantha Regor, you
know, perfectly fine performer, nothingparticularly special to her, but fine,
Samantha Regor. She's fine, andshe gets to do the brood and demonoid
and curtains and whatever. I mean, it's just that's what I want.

(02:00:36):
Why don't I have that, kirkUh, I don't know, because you
have you have this. They allwish they had your podcast. I'm sure
I want to talk about these moviesI'm in. I want to be able
to watch these these movies I madewithout having to make them. Yeah,
right, to be able to Iwant to be able to watch and talk

(02:00:57):
about these movies I'm in without havingto fit them. Yeah, whereas I
want to be in these movies,I want to stop talking about them.
Yeah, because they know how tohow the sausage is made, right,
because not a penis. But tothem, like they watch they watched Halloween
and they remember the part where hehad to run away really fast or had

(02:01:19):
across the street looking back, andthey're like, ah, it's ruined for
me because because I saw that thatpart of it. Oh yeah. But
at the same time, I guessinRobert Ginty probably doesn't get recognized on the
street too much either. So,but so if he got recognized on the
street, that would be quite afeat for him. Well if he rises
from the grave and rolls down thehill, yeah cuts off. So like,

(02:01:42):
wait, did that Skinless Corps withthe Corps teeth roll that rolled possibly
just now, was that Robert Gintyfor the Exterminator? But back when he
was alive, I mean he probablyhe didn't have the Papa Rozzi after him,
so he could probably live in normallife, That's what I mean while
being in all these craz What doyou mean he gets to be in all
these films, he gets to travelto all these different countries, he gets
to have this incredible life, buthe's only recognized by idiots like me,

(02:02:08):
you know what I mean, Likeone in every three thousand people are like,
are you Guinty for the staminating?Because oh, thank you very much
for watching, and then ducks intoa room or something. But I'm just
saying, like, he's like runaway from the greatest fan. Meanwhile,
Brad Pitt can't even go into Starbucksto buy a coffee because there's like a
billion people bombarding him with cameras.Ghintie's over here being like, I've got

(02:02:31):
a fan and he's running away right, Well, he doesn't usn't want that
life. He wants the Guintie life. I want the Ghintye life. Man.
Maybe that's the next forty years onthis planet. Maybe I go out
and figure out how to get theGuinty life. Maybe that's what happens.
And when that happens, Kirk,you could do a podcast that talks all

(02:02:53):
about my life. It'll be calledThe Ghinty Life. Cross the Truth a
matter is. That's all I wantis I want to be interviewed by people.
So you're you're really basically like,no one's getting interviewed me. I'll
just go an interview and I'll interviewthem. I'll interview everybody else, so

(02:03:16):
that on the off chance that oneday, you know what I mean.
Like like, for example, bringingback to Matt Farley and Charlie Rocksburg,
a lot of their movies are comingout on Blu Ray. Now. There's
a company up in Canada called GoldenInja Video that's sort of exclusively releasing their
stuff along with other movies wow ofcourse, but exclusively releasing Matton Charlie's movies.
And I'm in a lot of themthat they're releasing, and I'm just

(02:03:40):
like whenever they come out, they'relike, oh there's a special edition and
they've got like a making of andan interview and a den that and everything
else. I'm like, you didn'tinterview me, your bastards, I'm in
the movie for thirty seconds. Interviewme. I want to be interviewed.
That's my ego. My ego,I don't I don't let it show very
offerable. When I let it showit just like interview me. That's it.

(02:04:06):
Maybe you could get into maybe youcould get on their like special like
reels or like special features features.Yeah, by just mailing them just or
just emailing interview, why didn't youinterview me? And they'll put that in
the next movie. It'll be alwaysbe a movie behind, but you'll always
get onto the next DVD. Well, I'm in I'm in Matt's next movie

(02:04:29):
that's shooting in March. Cool,So hopefully while I'm on set, I
can be Charlie, just can youinterview me? And then maybe slip it
to the Golden Enge of video guysso that I'm on a be because not
satisfied with being in the movie,Like being in the movie should be more
than enough, you know what Imean. I'm in the movie. That
should be enough for me. Iwant to be in the blue ray special
features. In fact, I wantmy scene to be cut out of the

(02:04:54):
movie but still be in the blueray special features. That's really what I'm
looking at. There should be apicture of you on the back of the
blue rake box, bigger than theother pictures of the movie that says interview
with John Cross. It's part ofthe special feature. That's all I mean.
That should count for something. That'sall I want. You know,

(02:05:17):
you think I'm joking, but deepdown that there's a there's a nugget of
truth in the butthole of lies thatwe've spleued all over this podcast. There's
a nugget of truth. Yeah,and that's it. So wherever people find
you, and have you got anythingcreative out there that you would like to

(02:05:39):
share with the listening several? Uhno, they can't find me. I
want to live a Guinty life awayfrom me. Robert Guinty was pursued across
Midtown today by one person. BoxJoe Cross chased Romaguinty for nine full city

(02:06:04):
blocks. Oh no, I havenothing to plug right now. Nothing.
I've done nothing with my life forthe past two years of COVID. Okay,
no, God, stuff I'm workingon, but there's nothing I'm ready
to put out in the world yet. But maybe one day it's les.

(02:06:24):
Oh wait, I had to showyou this. Look what I found earlier
this this week. Look, ohmy god, that's all and Lepidactyl,
nice and kirk Appella stickers. Igot all three. I've got the full
set. So his bare tool,lepidactyl and kirk Appella. Is that still
out in the world? You pulledit from Spotify. Yeah, small indie

(02:06:49):
tech musician Kirk Allley has removed allhis music from Spotify. What were you
protesting, Kirk? I don't addprotesting the death of I was protesting.
I was protesting the fact that theaftermovie Dinna keeps putting podcast. Yeah,

(02:07:09):
there's so many opportunities to die.Are your podcast sweet? Are your podcasts
on Spotify? They are? Yeah? I'm part of the problem, Kirk.
You you podcasters. I actually don'tcontrol that. I put my podcast
up on Spreaker. It distributes itto all platforms, so I don't.
Okay, Yeah, I'm not goingto go to Spreaker. Hello, I'm
John Cross ten people listen to me. Could you remove it from Spotify?

(02:07:32):
Please? Do you also want itremoved from Amazon and Apple, which have
their own history of human atrocities andhorrible crimes against morals and everything else.
No, you can leave it there, just off Spotify. Why Well,
Joe Rogan has a different opinion tome, so just I don't you know,

(02:07:53):
I've just decided right on, mate, go tweet about it and tell
everyone all about it. Sorry,it's pretty much unavoidable. We all have
wrong dependent on these gigantic corporate monstersthat are all ruining everything. Here's the
thing. Here's the thing. Allplatforms are compromised. Yeah, however,

(02:08:13):
you still get to decide. Thefree part of our society still gets to
decide what you consume. Right,So if you don't like something, let's
say you're consuming something something like Iused to watch Bill Maher years ago.
I don't watch it anymore because he'sbecome a miserable old fuck. He doesn't
know what he's talking about. He'swrong about ninety percent of things I don't
need. I watched it for abit, like I watched it when I

(02:08:35):
was much younger and angrier. Butsince then, I'm just like, he's
an asshole, you know what Imean. I used to watch a lot
of satire shows, and now I'mjust like, I've had my fill of
satire. We're living in a satireLike, do something else? My thing
is always this, how can weturn something positive instead of cancel culture?
Support culture? Find the culture youwant to support and support it. Find

(02:08:58):
indie cult, find culture, Goon YouTube and find someone doing animation like
yourself, or go find music onany of the streaming platforms. That's independently
produced or doesn't have enough followers,but you really like it, support that
called. Don't cancel the big Thebig behemoth will find a place to live,
you know what I mean. AlexJones still found a platform, then

(02:09:20):
Beck still found a platform. Doesn'tmatter. Bill O'Reilly is probably still shitting
out in books. I don't know, but I presume he is. No
one's ever got you know, Louisc k is still doing stand up shows
and making it. You're never gonnakill the behemoth. Cancel culture only goes
so far. And even fucking BillCosby got back out of prison. So
don't worry yourself about cancel culture.Find the ship that you really love and

(02:09:43):
support that. Don't cancel culture.Support the right culture. That's what I
do. Yeah, well, cancelculture isn't even it doesn't even exist by
the definition people give it like.Usually the people who actually get if you
want to say canceled, it's peoplewho have no power. It's the huge,
powerful people who are constantly, youknow, oppressing and ruining the lives

(02:10:05):
of people who can't fight back.Right, So if you say you're gonna
no one's actually canceling any of theselike you said, these huge celebrities,
they get whatever they want because theyhave a name, and they keep getting
attention, right even if you tryto cancel them, and just gives them
attention. And if anything, themore you go on about, oh did
you hear what Joe Rogan said?And the more you do that, the
more power he has. The moreyou criticize Fox News, the more people

(02:10:28):
watch Fox News because they're like,wait, fox News said, what mad
shit? Oh, I gotta watchthis because it's mad shit, Like it
becomes a self fulfilling anti prophecy orwhatever. So you need to stop doing
all that and just tweet about thingsthat make you happy, that you love,
that you discovered that means something toyou. That's a little indie sung

(02:10:50):
over here, a little indie animationover there, a little indie film that
you found over here. That's whatit is. Because these platforms give indie
creators endless freedoms to do whatever theywant to do and put it out into
the world. And when we doright, and when we do put it
out into the world, there arecrickets, right exactly. But put something

(02:11:13):
out into the world that's like reallyhorrible and shitty, and everyone's like oh
did you hear what horrible and shittythings people do? Just stop, like,
stop, you're putting all your energyin the wrong fucking place. And
that's how I feel about No,I think that's a good good way to
live life. Stop stop giving themattention to and yeah, promote people who

(02:11:33):
need the attention, right because ifyou ever, I don't know about you.
But like when I go on trendingtopics on Twitter, which I hate,
I fucking hate that they're right therebecause they kind of learn me to
click on them and I just wishI could turn that right panel off.
But whenever I click on them,the tweets are always anti what the hashtag
is. Meaning the hashtag is like, uh, you know, cancel Spotify

(02:11:56):
or whatever. But most of thetop tweets that have the most hits and
are the most popular tweets of peoplebeing like hashtag cancel Spotify is stupid,
And you're like, so, eventhe trending topic doesn't relate to you.
I mean, even a hashtag orwhatever it is doesn't relate to actually what
people are saying. It's just,yeah, we're all being manipulated into being

(02:12:18):
out reagion about things basically, Sodon't be positive and loving about things like
demonoid. Yeah, or it's okayto be outrage about stuff. Be utraged
about real, actual problems and nota problem someone's trying to hype up to
get themselves more media attention. Right, But even when you're outraged about real
problems, all you can do iswhat you can do, yeah, right,

(02:12:39):
do something locally in your community.Right, So, if you're prepared
to run for office, great,run for office. But if you're not
prepared to do that, then youknow, recycle where you can recycle.
If you can get solar panels,get solar panels. So, if you
can help out at a local homelessshelter, help out at a local homeless
shelter. If you're willing to donateto charities, donate to charities. If

(02:13:01):
you can shop at black owned businesses, women owned businesses, LGBTQ owned businesses,
do that. But all you cando is what you can do.
Yeah, and that'll do a lotmore than angry tweeting, of course,
Like, because we're all living inour own reality TV show, do what
you can do. You don't eventell anyone else about it. Just do
what you can do. If youcan cut it cut down on eating beef

(02:13:24):
a little bit, cut down oneating beef. If you know, if
you can help out at a localsoup kitchen, hope at a local soup
kitchen, like do what you wantto do, and telling people about it
or not telling people about it doesnot affect anything ever anywhere. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, all good points. I mean, I don't know.
Maybe I'm completely wrong, Kirk.Maybe maybe tweeting about Spotify is going to

(02:13:46):
solve the world's problems. I haveno idea, but I'm just saying,
based on the the outraged Merry goround that we're all up. It doesn't
seem to be Yeah, it doesn'tseem to have an end goal like the
goal at the very least, itdoesn't seem to be good for people's just
mental health. You got to getaway from that stuff, get a break,

(02:14:07):
break something that you feel good about. Listen to a podcast about two
people talking about possessed buttholes. That'sreally what you should do. That's what
was Mostly it's mostly just us talkingabout sticking things into penises. But you'll
feel better. You will feel that. Listen to that, and then you'll
want to interview me. Interview meinterview. Mem that's really so after that

(02:14:30):
conversation that was referencing the Joe Roganopinions on vaccinations and things that caused people
momentarily in January to want to canceltheir Spotify and tell everybody about canceling their
Spotify accounts. Um that I wassort of flippantly and jokingly kind of referencing

(02:14:50):
just to just to sort of doa bit of stupid RANTI humor. But
I think about a worthwhile and decentthing, which is, you know,
you can do what you can do, and and and just try and be
positive and try and support rather thanattack. But m Kirk sent me a
voicemail which I'd like to play now, John Cross, this is a Kirk

(02:15:13):
Howey. That message, by theway, was hilarious that I just got
when I called into your voicemail.Hopefully I don't come across. It's too
scattered brained right now because I'm tryingto amuse my kitten who's digging his clause
into my leg to get my attentionas I'm talking because he's very hyper and
wants to play. But I justwanted to call it. Thank you for
having me on the podcast. TheAfter Movie Diner podcast where we talked about

(02:15:35):
Demonoid. Hopefully this the message willhere. On that same episode, I
just wanted to get something off mychest I've been thinking about since the since
we recorded. There was a mymy response to something I felt was not
not good enough kind It was kindof inept in the moment because it didn't
have my brain in a political place. That was more just thinking about crazy

(02:15:58):
Union movies. But you had saidsomething to the effect of people are scanceling
their spotifies because they have a differentor because Joe Rogan has a different opinion
than them, and I just repliedlike, uh, yeah, because I
was kind of tired and my brainwas not thinking politically. But I actually
I don't quite agree with that statement. I think that, um, it's

(02:16:20):
not that he's in different opinion,it's that he's spreading dangerous misinformation to all
his listeners. And we're two yearsinto the pandemic and at this point he
should have been able to like hirea team to educate him on how COVID
works and how are a vaccines work, and how masks work and all that
stuff. Uh, but he hasn't. And I think it's mainly because he

(02:16:41):
just has this obstinate view of wantingto be this counterculture like every man genius
or something, which he isn't.But that's that's just my opinion, I
guess. But anyway, I justwanted to respond on that, and you
know, I think that I getwhy people want to cancel their spotifye just
to try to send a message tohis corporate overlords that he needs to kind

(02:17:05):
of be reined in and the stuffsaying that it's harmful to people. But
was that it. I think thatwas all my thoughts on that. So
thank again for setting up this phoneline. This is great and have a
good day. Love you, John, take care yourself and I'll see you
in the future. Bye bye.So that was Kirk's extra message he wanted

(02:17:30):
me to put on the show aboutthe whole Joe Rogan thing. I don't
disagree with him at all. It'sentirely up to anyone what they want to
do. I also do not agreewith Joe Rogan. I hope that my
previous comments on the show did notcome across that I in any way agree
or endorse or like or ever listento Joe Rogan because I don't. But
I also think we walk a veryespecially as a podcaster who shoots his mouth

(02:17:54):
off, as you've heard at theend of this episode. I think you
walk a dangerous line when you startsaying that podcasts that are primarily for entertainment
need to somehow maintain a newsworthy levelof integrity and honesty and knowledge and so
on, when the news doesn't evendo that. So the news is all

(02:18:16):
opinion. So to suddenly say thatan opinion show possibly needs to be better
informed or whatever, it's a bitof a difficult slope because if we say
that about Joe Rogan, and Iagree Joe Rogan should not be spreading the
bullshit he spreading or shooting his mouth. But I would also say that anyone
trying to get healthcare advice or vaccineknowledge from Joe Rogan is looking in the

(02:18:39):
wrong place any more than anyone tryingto get pandemic information from me is looking
in the wrong place, or vaccineinformation from me is looking at the wrong
place. Even though I have botheredto educate myself as best as any layman
can about these things, I stillwould never say get that information from me.
And that's the same thing as saidabout Joe Rogan. Don't get you

(02:19:00):
information or your news, or yourhealthcare knowledge or anything from Joe Rogan.
If people find some kind of solacefrom canceling Spotify or leaving Twitter or Facebook,
any of those things, have atit. I love that. That's
fantastic. I'm no friend of anyof those platforms. As I said,
those platforms are. You know,we're never going to take those down because

(02:19:22):
they serve a purpose, and theydon't just to serve its purpose for the
Joe Rogans of the world. Theyserve a purpose for the mat File He's,
the John Crosses, and even theKirkhalities of the world. So they
serve a purpose and we can eitherchoose to use them positively or negatively.
And so that's what I was tryingto say. But I don't disagree with
Kirk at all. I think he'scoming from a very correct place, and

(02:19:43):
I agree with what he's saying.I know where he's coming from. I
just think it's a lot to expectan entertainment show, even a bad one
like Joe Rogan, to have tohave sort of informed knowledge and newsworthy integrity
when the news doesn't have that.Nothing has that anymore. There is there
is nowhere too, unless you goto your doctor, or unless you go

(02:20:07):
to you know, a learned personwho you trust, who has read stuff
and no stuff, and has provedthat no one should be getting any of
their life information from from me,or from Joe Rogana, from anybody in
the entertaining podcast game. You know, and I just an interesting point.
I went to spreaker, which isthe platform that I used to upload the

(02:20:31):
podcast and disseminate that podcast across theinternet. The other day I went to
upload the last podcast I uploaded,and suddenly there were some terms and conditions
to uploading the podcast that said somethingalong the lines of sort of what Kirk
was saying in his message about youknow, no misinformation and no slander and

(02:20:54):
no this and know that right,and the liberal side of me, the
right thinking side of me thinks,you know, great that yeah, okay,
make sure that people are being morehonest, make sure that people are
being more respectful. I agree withall of those things. However, the
comedic side of me, the creativeside of me, and the podcaster who's

(02:21:16):
been doing this twelve years and knowsthat in those twelve years my opinions have
changed. My personality has changed,I've learned more, I've grown up.
Whatever am I going to be?You know, I don't want to be
held to what I said flippantly asa joke to a friend on a podcast
that a few people were listening totwelve years ago, any more than I
want to be judged one on theflippant, stupid, comedic, creative,

(02:21:39):
and weird conversation that we had onthis show about demonoid. And I also
don't want a platform like Spreaker ora platform like Spotify, or a platform
like Amazon or whatever, telling mewhat I can and can't say, even
if, even if the impetus behindit is to be more respectful and be
more learned, and be more knowledgeable, and be more pro active and be

(02:22:01):
more educated, even if those messagesare why they're doing it, which is
all messages that I agree with,being more respectful, being more educated.
I don't want a platform telling me, well, we have decided that the
thing you said did not fit withour terms and conditions. You know,
America and most Western civilizations at thispoint, or you know, and I

(02:22:24):
hate using that phrase, but butyou know most I don't know wealthy.
I don't know who you want tocall it most democratic, Most whatever nations
have some version of freedom of speech, but America certainly does. And I
don't think any more than we wantcorporations dictating you know, what we can
watch, what we can wear,what we can who we can vote for,

(02:22:46):
you know, where we can go. We don't want corporations pushing the
independent business off the high street,or the forcing brick and mortars shops to
close down. Nor do I wanta corporation telling me that what I've said
has been deemed disrespectful or not qualifiedenough, or not knowledgeable enough or whatever.

(02:23:09):
I think that's a very, veryslippery slope towards justifying censorship. So
again, again, I completely understandwhere Kok's coming from. I do agree
with all his principles and and andthe point that's he's making. And sure,
go ahead do whatever you feel,will you know, affect change with

(02:23:31):
these platforms, or send a messageto these platforms, But ultimately, a
platform, whoever owns it, whoeverruns it, And you can't exist in
the twenty first century without having compromisesor blood on your hands, or doing
business with the devil. It's impossible. It's impossible, you know, Even
I am absolutely loathe Elon Musk,but would happily get Tesla batteries from my

(02:23:56):
solar panels. You know, thingslike that. You just can't aren't.
You can't get away from doing businesswith the devil right now. We've we've
given money and we've given the futureover to these people. And you either
accept that culpability and try and dosomething good with it, you know,
or you can constantly rage, rage, rage at the dying of the light.

(02:24:18):
And you know, and and tomy feeling, not live a full
life, even if you have thebest intentions, you're not living a full
life. And and and again thereare plenty of worthy people on Spotify that
you could listen to and that youcould support. And so if you want
a list of those people or informationabout any of those people, please email

(02:24:41):
me at Hello and aftermovie Dina dotcom or call me at three four seven
six six nine zero zero five three. Anyway, Kirk, thanks so much
for sending the voicemail. And Ihope adding to this debate. And I
think it's as a creator, especiallyas a creator who's thinking potentially maybe moving
on, for being this kind ofcreator, you know, I think it's

(02:25:05):
it's worth having these conversations. AndI don't want the aftermovie DNA to become
a place where you can't have theseconversations because Spreaker or Spotify or someone else
is determined you can no longer havethese conversations. And the vernacular with which
you want to have these conversations,which sometimes it is flippant, sometimes is
hyperbolic for the sake of comedy.Sometimes it's rude. Sometimes it's crude.

(02:25:26):
Sometimes it's off the cuff and notthought through. And that's that's human communication,
that just is you. If youtake that away from communication, then
you are you are pulling the lifebloodout of it. And everyone has to
stop for twenty minutes before that yousay anything and think about every single word

(02:25:50):
they're going to say. And whilethat sounds wonderful, sounds wonderful to go
to, everyone has to think aboutabsolutely everything before they say it. Nothing
would ever get done and nothing wouldever progress because we would all be too
afraid to say anything. So verycomplex situation, and I think I've rambled
on way too long about it.But thank you so much Kirk again for

(02:26:15):
sending the voicemail and spurring this message. I hope people can see that I'm
trying to come at it from theright place and not the wrong place.
And I am in no way byjokingly attacking the people that I feel are
tweeting to somehow fulfill their whether it'sego or you know, whatever it is

(02:26:37):
that makes them want to look goodonline. They want to look good,
they want to look positive, theywant to look And maybe that's what I'm
doing with this whole Maybe I'm asbad. Maybe, but it's too easy
to be like there, I cancelmy Spotify, hit send on the tweet,
and away we go. Then itis to have a real conversation about
it. And that's all I wastrying to say. Plus, I get
sick of opening social media and seeingthese just warriors every day and I go,

(02:27:01):
yeah, but what did you actuallydo? What did you actually do?
Because I guarantee that nine of thepeople who actually do something in this
world for good you never hear aboutit. And if you do hear about
it, it's it's in, youknow, buried on page ten, or
you know, it's a little localnews story that never gets made national or

(02:27:22):
whatever. Or it's your neighbor whoyou you happen to know, does some
stuff you know, those are thepeople that I'm more interested in and so,
but you know, everyone everyone isin tontaled to an opinion as well,
and I love that about the world, about this podcast and about doing
this in general. So thank youagain for listening, everybody. And I'm

(02:27:46):
going to cut back to the recordingwhere I believe we wrap up the show
anyway, Kirk, thank you again, sir. This is thank you John
cross for having me on the JohnCrosses After Movie Diner. This has been
a thrill, a pleasure I have. I have not laughed this hard in
a long time, so thank youfor that. Thank you. I enjoy
the riffing. I enjoy the riffingmore than I enjoy the movie. I

(02:28:07):
just want to show to be moreriff and less movie. So I'm glad
that we kept bringing it back tothe movie. But people should watch the
movie. But I much preferred justthe riffing, so thank you for that.
Oh of course. Yeah, AndI don't think describing this movie even
helps people understand what watching it islike, so they should if they've listened
this far, they should have alreadyturned this podcast off and just gone to

(02:28:28):
watch the movie. But yeah,if they've listened this far, go watch
the movie. Yeah, and thengo out into your backyard weep a single
tier and go to your nearest sausagepenis party. And that's what we're talking
about. All right. Well,thank you ever so much, Kirk.
Thanks thanks for doing this man.This has been a thrill. And we'll
do this again very soon. Allright, thank you. Do you remember

(02:28:50):
earlier when I said I've been workingon some music. Well here's some of
that music. You wear your battlestars like a badge of honor, telling

(02:29:20):
stories leading him to the bat onmore engineered to be a gunner, sometimes
very repeating for most of them.Don't pull them away. You don't need
them anymore. I promise you youwon't pull them away. Pull them away.
You don't need anymore. The babydon't need you back some day.

(02:29:45):
Yeah, you weigh your offenders,carry on your own nothing. You execute
this random bible terrible that extra charm. Some here won't disappoint you, but

(02:30:07):
most of them. One, runthem away, you don't need damn anymore.
Someone else to pay that fill.Pull them away, pull them away,
you don't need damn anymore. Theya part of me. Always bull
away, Hull them away, youdon't need anymore, but made it.

(02:30:31):
I'll need you back some day.You clean this road in fiction, and

(02:30:56):
every day when you await whisper,that's a collection, and rather leave mistake.
So clues may point to once deceivern'tgo to them, come up short,
roll them away, you don't needthem any more, along with other
lines you buck pulling away. Youdon't need them any more. Don't matter

(02:31:20):
what the patient said, it goaway, you don't need them. By
the all part of your way,go the away, you don't need any
more. Maybe they don't need somethingto go away, going away, go away,

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