Season 2 - Ep 10 - Predator 2 "Acceptable Losses" - The After Movie Diner Podcast

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the After Movie Diner and back inthe hot co host seat. It's a
very heated seat. We like totreat our co hosts buttocks with respect during
this rainy gray season. It is. It is the wonderful and always welcome
Matt Poier, Matt Peia. Howeveryou pronounce the damn thing, It's Matthew.

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You know him, you love him. Thank you, welcome, well,
thank you for welcoming me back.I no, you've been, I
mean through the blushy ones, whichwe'll get back to what we'll do more
blue shy and then these next coupleof episodes of the podcast. It's fine.
You're on a streak here, Matt, and I'm it's a pleasure to

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have you, because if I couldn'trely on calling you up once a week
or once every other week, uhand just sort of talking at you for
two hours, there'd be no show. There would be no show. No
one else is willing willing to gothrough all that. But how have you
been? And tell everyone what ishappening in your world? Because you're not

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only a respected podcastman in the formof director video connoisseur, but also an
incredibly well respected bugsman in the formof director video knas. But you're also
an incredibly gifted authorman in the formof your series of novels. So tell

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everyone all about all of those things. Yeah, So the most recent one
we have is Don's House in theMountains, came out in November of this
past years about a gen xer namedDon who is an author for like twenty
twenty plus years. Suddenly his novelsjust take off and he's like worth over
one hundred million dollars, and hiswife decides that she can't handle it and

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she splits with him. So hemoves to a house in the White Mountains
of New Hampshire, and there's asense of that perhaps the house is magic,
or it's just the fact that he'sso rich that he could just buy
everything and everything can be stocked inthe house and you know, so you
know, there's like the idea ofthe house big magic. Right. It's
hard for like he he doesn't necessarilyknow, and as a reader you kind

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of you think it's possible, likeyou know, like keeps you guessing to
the end. Yeap, Yes,there's one one character in the book who
she's been in three of my novels, and I'm gonna maybe maybe make a
novel about her specifically. But hername's Elaine Laughlin and with her character and
the very first, the first appearanceshe makes is a Girl and a Gun,
my second novel, And she writesa series of vampire lit novels based

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off the fact that the character SoniaRostova from Warren Peace going on after Warren
Peace, become a vampire hunter.And she's like the next JK. Rowling.
Essentially, she's like so rich andfamous and everything, and she's gay
and she's lesbian. And in Don'shouse in the mountains, she's at a
party that Don's throwing for other authorsand two supermodels show because and one of
the other authors is, you know, dating a fashion designer, and she

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brings a couple of supermodels with herand she ends up having a threesome with
the supermodels, and the next dayshe's just like, it's like I dreamed
of having two supermodels here and theysuddenly showed up, and I, you
know, so it's like that idea. Is it magic or is it just
because they're rich and famous? That, you know, like she's the next
jk Rowling, that two supermodels wouldn'thave sex with her, you know,
so it's like, you know,which, I don't know. I think
I think jk Rowling's okay with that. Think that if any of the people

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in the threesome consider themselves either adifferent gender or a mixed gender, or
you know, a fluid gender,if any of them in that threesome have
had any even any thoughts about onebecause they're all lesbians, so mean maybe,
or they're at least opened bisexual.You know, they're either lesbians or

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bisexual, so maybe it would notbe out of the realms of madness to
think that not two lesbians and abisexual person might have at some point thought
about or however identified themselves as adifferent gender. Jk Rowling would not be
okay with that, Matt, andshe would probably, I don't know,

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take a picture of herself burning yourbook on Twitter or something in this book.
But what about sports man? Ihate that argument so much. Sorry,
you do your thing and then I'mgonna do a sports The thing is
like a laying character. She wasborn nineteen eighty one, so she would
she identifies as a woman, she'syou know, that's that's kind of for
a thing. The supermodels were bornin the nineties, so they're that gen

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Z, or maybe not quite genZ, maybe like late millennial, but
where they would be more apt tobe gender fluid. Ay, well,
they've they've been empowered to they've beenempowered to be themselves in a way that
we like, we were the lastwe were We were the first generation to
have to wrestle with both. Sowe had we had people in our lives,

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most people in our lives who werelike, you can't be anything.
You should shut up, children shouldbe seen and not heard, you know,
go stand in the corner whatever.We had that right when we were
growing up. But then as wesort of got into our twenties, when
we should have been confident, wesuddenly became anxiety ridden mad people who were
then told, but it's okay tobe anxiety ridden mad people, so go

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with it. And then you know, our generation's children and and sort of
the younger end of the previous generation, they have all now been empowered to
be completely themselves, which is abeautiful thing. Matt I am in full
support and agreement with it, becauseguess what, it really is nobody else's

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fucking business. Just isn't anybody else'sfucking business. There are two things people
they complain about toilets, all thiswow, the fear of toilets. I'm
like, fine, then make allpublic toilets cubicles. There solved your problem.
Make all public toilets cubicles. Andbecause the thing is if they go,
well, you know you're going totell me a rapist won't get through

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a cubicle, I'm like, well, if that was the case, they
would have done it. Do youknow what I mean? Whatever bathroom you
were in, because they're a rapist, they're a law breaker, they're an
insane person. Right, So thetoilet thing I've solved. Make everything a
cubicle and shut the fuck up toilets. So, Matt, I've solved toilets.
Right, all the conservatives in NorthCarolina, it's figured out. I

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figured it out, North Carolina.You can shut the cubicles. It was
staring at us right in the face. Is why is the toilet style that
both genders share? Oh, letme think, because it's only men,
Matt that need a separate receptacle.Why just making all cubicles mat toilets exactly.

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So there's that. The other thingthat I hear all the time is
sports, Well, what about sports? We should think very seriously, deeply
and earnestly about sports. First ofall, shut the fuck up. Shut
the fuck up. It's sports.Ultimately, if you cared I love sports,

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they're could be wrong. I lovebaseball, whatever. But if I
was to care too much about sportsto the point where I gave a fuck
who was underneath the helmet or thejersey or the cap or whatever. If
I cared that much about it tothe point where kneeling bothered me, that's
where I would be like, maybeI'm giving too much of a shit about
people. I'll millionaires, I'll nevermake kicking a ball around, all right,

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So that's firstly, stop fucking caring. Matt, you say a thing,
well, no, because do youmake a really great point about this,
Because it's like there's this idea thatlike these towns are just standing out
like armies of trans women to winfield hockey tournaments. Right, That's like
that's what's happening. It's not likesomebody who's going through this like really difficult

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time, like trying to figure outwho they are as a person, you
know, coming to grips with thisand realizing that if they do make this
decision, that the world is goingto look down on you know that there's
they're gonna be ostra, they're gonnaget funny looks, they're gonna get the
you know, we're not is Wethink we're more open as a society than
we're. Sorry, Like if you, if you, if you have decided
to be trans, begin your transjourney, have any questions about who you

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are which whether we are it ornot, you know, heterosexual white men
or whatever, have all those questionsand anxieties. We just don't voice them.
But we have all those between theages of about eight and eighteen.
We have all those questions and allthose things, and people who say they
don't are just lying, posturing ortry it whatever, so, but we

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never voice them. The fact thatpeople are voicing them on whatever spectrum they
are on, of any gender,of any sexual orientation, it's all it's
all fine and wonderful. If theyare going through that and they're voicing that,
it's already a shit show. Youare already facing the worst of humanity.

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Every single morning you decide as amale looking person, even if you
don't identify as that. If youput IE makeup on straight gay trans it
doesn't matter if you put I makeupon as a man, you already start
the day with shit right, waitingfor shit right. So imagine how it

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is for a teenager already being bulliedfor all the other reasons you get bullied
in high school, deciding to makethis decision. If that isn't bad enough,
you're going to turn around and belike, well, and another thing,
stop fucking playing sports? What rightexactly? I do remember it was
a nightclub one time. It waslike really crowded and the women's room was

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just overflowed. So some women weretrying to go to the men's room,
and the thing that they didn't realizeis kind of one of the issues.
I think why there's the urinals isbecause us guys do not like to pick
up the seat when we're at leastfor me, I might use my foot
to kick up the seat, butespecially if you're hammered, you're just like
going in there. And I rememberhearing this woman like right, she goes

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in after me. I'm kind oflike, you can use the bathroom here
if you want. I don't reallycare. The moment she goes in,
she's like, what the fuck,you know, like it's like, well,
yes, we're got you know,like we most of us are not
going to sit on the toilet ata nightclub. And that's that's probably the
issue, right, is that's issue. But what I was saying before about
cubicles, right, because I getit, I understand. But what I

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was saying about cubicles before is youcould still have a men's bathroom and a
women's bathroom, but people who identifyas man, people identify as women,
people who are fluid or whatever.Basically anyone could go in either bathroom.
It's just if you go in themen's one, you're going to expect vomit
and piss all over the seats.You're just going to expect it because it's

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not saying the men on the dooris not saying only men allowed. What
I'm saying is this is a bathroompredominantly used by idiots who haven't understood how
to a aim there willie and bejust exist as a decent human being in

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mon society. That's what men sayson the wall of the bathroom. Then
everyone else is on the other bathroom. And that's the one where if you
are a man and you go inand you urinate, either wipe the seat
or left the seat, because that'sthe decent bathroom. And then the one
with the word man on it isthe one where they you know, literally

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three three of the toilets five areout of order, and not just out
of order mat like oh the ballcockcame off and now it doesn't fill with
water anymore. It's out of order, like wrenched from the wall with like
porcelain smashed and peeking out of thetop, like it was destroyed by a

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cosmic atom ship that just landed andfucking mushroomed out, depositing porcelain and effluent
all o the fucking And that's justone of the three out. So that's
what man on a toilet door denotes. It's not about people gender and who

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should be allowed in. He shouldbe allowed in. The last thing I'm
going to say about on the sportsthing is I need to wrap that up
and then we can move on.I don't even know how this came up,
but I'm loving it. The sportsthing have solved sports and it's one
It's one word. Matt Tennis,right, and let me explain what happens
in tennis, Matt, Men andwomen play the same fucking game on the

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same fucking court in slightly different uniforms, and you know what, there have
been plenty of incidences where women havewiped the fucking floor with men. So
if it's okay in tennis, andbefore people go why you don't need to
be muscular or you don't need tobe whatever you can be feminine to play
tennis, shut the fuck up.Have you ever seen a female tennis player?
They are muscular to shit. Similarly, do you know what a sport

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where they haven't given a fuck?Wrestling? Men and women wrestle together all
the time. In wrestling, it'snever an issue at all. They have
tag team women against tag team men. They have single women and men,
but they whole whole thing. Nobodygives a shit in wrestling. Nobody he
gives a shit in tennis. Listen, if it's good enough for wrestling and
tennis, If a woman or aman who identifies a woman or a woman

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who identifies a man or whatever,wants to join a fucking ice hockey team
along with a bunch of big burlyCanadians and fucking Swedes have had it.
Why are we the ones to belike, well, I don't you know.
It would be like saying it aboutyou know, when they have that
basketball team and the one short guyjoins the team and he's fucking phenomenal.
He somehow wipes the floor with guysthree times his size, right, it

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would be like going, I'm sorry, the only people allowed on a basketball
team are six foot eight, youknow, freaks of nature. If you
know five foot ten people should notapply, well you'd immediately go. But
five foot ten people can play basketballjust as well as six foot and you
go, exactly. Women can playsports just as good as men, or
just as bad as man, Andwhy don't we stop just fucking judging people?

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Maybe a little fast fucking It's alsobecause they all have a misogynistic view
of what a woman is. Theyall think a woman should be thin and
short and small and in capable.And that's that's when they go, women
shouldn't be playing men's sports. That'swhat they're talking about. It's a misogynistic
view that all women should be petite, fucking frail, you know, need
a fucking man bullshit, And womenaren't like that. Women have never been

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like that, will never be likethat. So let them play sports.
Nobody gives a fuck. Let's growup. Everyone just grow well, because
I think if there's a town somewherethat's somehow saying like, oh, you
know what instead of having you right, like, let's just get a whole
bunch of men right and have themand pretend that they're transitioning so that they
can dominate like the state, rightright, It's like why would you like

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nobody's doing that. And it's likeif there's one transitioning one transitioning woman on
on a girls basketball team in thehigh school team, and she just happens
to maybe stronger than some of theother women, just like there isn't this
big of a disparity, right,I mean I think maybe because I've already
seen Juana man or something and theythink this is how it works, right,
is that like you know, ohwell, if you allow a trans

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woman to play sports with women,that it's just going to be like armies
of men dressed up, like,you know, wearing like blue skirts and
playing field hockey here in America,Like any of these people have ever come
across a trans person? Really?You know what? I mean, in
general, they've probably seen one onTV way more than they've seen any in
real life. And it's just andthat's the thing is like what when did

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when did it become that what wason the screens and what was on television
and most of all, what wasin the news over rid our experience of
our actual life meaning and what Imean by this says most people. Let's
say you're a right wing person ina small town in Middle America. Right,

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you finish your day, you godown the You're sat around with a
bunch of like minded people, alltalking about the same stuff, what they
believe about the world, what theydon't believe about the world, saluting the
vets, all the rest of it. Hallelujah. Everyone's happy. But if
someone comes on TV and goes,oh my goodness, you know the minorities
and the trans and the whatever arecoming for your jobs and your sisters cack

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or whatever. Right this, butyou know this army of people are coming
for you. Even if your dailyexperiences you just go down the bar and
talk to your friends and get angryabout this army of people. Why don't
you look around the bar and go, wait, where did the army show
up. Oh they didn't show up, then, I guess it's not a

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biggest threat as the fucking boneheaded idioton the on the TV is making it
out to be. Maybe my dailyexperience is my daily experience, and so
like this is when did we justcompletely lost the ability to judge reality and
forget also that when you just godown the road and talk to the people

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you find there, whether it's ina restaurant, whether it's in a bar,
whether it's in a you actually findthat you have way more in common
than you have differences. And ifyou have differences, you can sort of
go all right, I think that'sa load of old crap, and he
can go, well, I thinkyou're a load of old crap, and
you go, none of pine andyou move on because it's not None of
it's at the end of the day, Matt, none of it's important.

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And it's so tiring. It's justso tiring. Interesting too, that they're
not worried about man on man rape. They're only worried about a man or
woman man on man rape. Ithink they're quite into if they were,
if they were honest with themselves.Anyway, let's move on from this subject
with that barnstorming ending, because Matt, I know that, like me,

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you were a fan of the conetip chocolate wafer dessert treat that I don't
know whether I introduced you or you. Yes, you did, you introduced
me, because remember we had awhole conversation about it that I didn't record.
Yeah, oh, yes, ofcourse, well I was. They
they're cropping up everywhere now. Sothere used to be one brand at Costco

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which was called Muddy Teats or something. It's not it's not it should be
it's cow, like laying muddy orjust mudds cow. Anyway, they are

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the chocolate tip of a ice creamcone, but it's just the tips.
And there's there's so many brands outthere now. There's one that's I don't
think it's called just the tip,but it's called something like, uh,
it's like only the tip or somethinglike that. It's it's almost called just
the tip, but it's not becauseobviously they would know that they would get

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problem. There's always also these onescalled tiny Bites, and I brought them
onto Show and Tell portion of thisaudio podcast because I found not one,
two, but two packets in wherewere we was it? Home goods,
home goods, because that's what Iam now, madam, a man who
goes to home goods in his sparetime. You know. Anyway, I

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found these two flavors, one whitechocolate flavor. Never seen that before.
Oh that's interesting. I also wantto know, Matt, can you think
of an ice cream flavor that evenhas white chocolate in the bottom. It's
always milk or dark in most conevariety. You know, there must be
Ben and Jerry's that uses white chocolate. You'd think, well, no,
no, there's probably one in acone, though I'm thinking about a cone

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like the bunny cones or the drumsticksor oh yeah, you're right, you're
right. They don't. I don'tthink. I don't think white chocolate behaves
the same way as regular chocolate andsneaky. It's like, technically not chocolate.
It's technically not anything. It's technicallylike Larry Cohen's the stuff. They

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found it dripping in a mountain inyou know, the Appalachians or something,
and they were just like, don'ttell anyone, it's white chocolate. But
look at this, even even moreexotic, mat It's it's getting I tell
you what it's getting. Crazy outthere with these tiny Cone chocolates because look
at this Small's Cones tiny Bits,Small's Variety. Wow. Yeah, yeah,

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it's a waffle cone with Graham crackerand with chocolate and with the marshmallow
in it. That's amazing. Joe'shas them now too, the version of
them traded Joe's had there. Wewent to, Uh, I forget,
is it teach a Max over hereor t K max over here, TJ
MAXX. It's t K Max inthe UK, but so TJ max over

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here. When we were standing inthe checkout line, you know, they
have the all the snacks. Youknow, they must have had five different
brands of these, and some ofthem were just all the same one.
You know, there was one thatwas like a hazelnuts or whatever. It
was like a milk, there wasa dog. But going to Honkins this

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time and I was like, oh, look they have white chocolate and Small's
variety. I was like, I'mbuying those matt and I'm showing them to
MAXX. Yeah I haven't because there'sa t J Max in and there's the
only thing. It's like, soI'm always traveling with my backpack when I'm
because I'm running errands and things likethat, correct, And I don't know

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if they'd give me a hard timefor having the backpack, because you TJ
max Is, you know, it'sthey they've got a lot, a lot
of loss prevention they've got to dothere, you know. So it's like,
you know some of those places they'relike, oh, you're a backpack.
They either want you to put itaside. What it's like if I'm
filling right, yeah, your backpack, I guess if my beard is really
really go because like where my mymy knit phillies cap over my big beard.

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Sometimes that can look really really likeI wonder if these guys even got
a home to go back to.Yeah, it's like this guy's living out
of his backpack, right, backpackman, exactly. If I if I
push it, like one day moreon the one pair of jeans I'm wearing
when I should have probably watched them, and they're kind of you know,
and I smell, it's kind oflike, Okay, this guy smells bad.

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He's got an old backpack and he'sgot some and he's got a big
beard. I don't know if wetrust him coming into the store to not
cause a problem. And it's likehe's of some kind. Yeah, I
think the place is near me thatI chop out a lot. They know
me, so they know, like, Okay, this guy's actually going to
come in and buy something. He'snot just going to like walk out with
like a whole stack of like theodorants under his arms. This guy's just

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Aaron hobo, just wandering the streets. I don't mind a little casual sabotage
because well, I'll tell you what, because if they were trying out a
new drug, right don't know aboutCBS or WRITE or whatever, if they
were, if they're evil drug makingoverlords, we're trying out the next drug
for plaqsoriasis, which, by theway, Matt has turned out to be

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a much bigger problem than I everthought. Placksariasis was every third commercial on
TV these days is for yet anothercomplicated named drug that's for a slightly downy
rash on your arm that if youjust put a bit of vasoline on and
got on with your date, nobodywould say fucking anything. There's these thousands

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of people out there who can't goto their high school reunions, who can't
go to picnics, who can't ridebusiness. Well, he takes he takes
the woman to the fancy restaurant andshe's wearing like a deadim jacket over her
dress or whatever. And she goesto take a deadim jacket off, and
then she looks at her shoulder wherethere's a slightly reddish blemish or whatever.

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She's like, Oh, I can'ttake my jacket off of this nuts restaurant.
I'm like you could, You're justinsane. Anyway, what restaurant is
so well lit that like your plaquesiasishas just got like this like the rest
of lights that you were eating itlike a cafeteria. Well, well,
you don't understand what it is.And certainly at certain classy restaurants, if

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the if the matre d is awareof plexisis, as you walk in,
they drop a spotlight on you.For the home, they have Klaus in
the rafters with one of those bigold Hollywood stock spotlights and he just got
the like of and it just you'rejust haloed in this u incredibly piercing light,

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and your plas orisis just goes,it just becomes bright red and enormous.
You suddenly turned the swamp thing.You're just so covered in play.
It's a poor like nobody the onlyreason, Like, again, if you
have plaxiasis, take whatever medicine youwant, don't give a fuck, go
rub yourself in fucking olbasoil. Couldn'tgive a fuck. But I'm just saying,
Matt that I didn't expect to watchTV and over the course of an

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evening, go do I have plaxis? My face is a little dry and
red? Like should I be onlimsicor whatever the picnic to go to next
week? Shouldnt? Yes? ShouldI be on quisant saks or whatever the
name of these fucking things is.There's always got x's, c's and v's
where they shouldn't be, you knowwhat I mean. And then they find

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out that all the also the fuckingthe side effects. Do you have a
slight rash on your arm or youcould if you take this you can also
have suicidal thoughts? You could youcould die from it. It's like these
people who freaking out of the vaccine. It's like, do you ever watch
TV and see that, like anyof the medications that they advertise, you

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could die from them. And it'slike I've read somewhere that sometimes people who
take ozembic, which is another onethat they adverts, but they use the
Ukraine that everyone everyone in Hollywood istaking. Well apparently like under certain conditions
you could have like such bad gastrotestinallike like like reactions that you lose your
gallbladder. All right, This iswhat I was saying, is when they're

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formulating new drugs, if they lostif ten of the of the thousand people
or whatever kill themselves when they takeyou know, plubescents or whatever. The
fuck, These products are quisenzas,quizenzacs point eight only available if you have

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fucking what's that thing the healthcare thingwith oh, we need Medicare parts C,
we have A and b. OhI'm gonna fucking hear whoever came up
with that bullshit? Whoever came upwith that, Oh my goodness. But
know what I'm saying is they wouldcall that acceptable losses if like a hundred
people just fucking dropped dead when theywere taking this pill. Whatever, they

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are acceptable losses. I don't mindit when people are shoplifting from places like
that, because it's acceptable losses.It's if you're not going to pay your
staff a Liverpool wage, then thenyou have to as a company that is
making a billion dollars second off theback of people with restless leg syndrome or

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fucking piasis or whatever. If ifthey're going to be making money hand of
a fist off the back of thesepeople and not paying their staff, it's
acceptable losses that they're shoplifting. Youknow, everyone should everyone, everyone in
the country should at least shoplift onething from Walmart on a monthly basis,

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because that would start to tip thescales because they've stolen so much from the
American taxpayer. Actually, I foundout this works in the other way.
Actually, I listen to this showcalled Beyond Behind the Bastards, and they
were talking about insurance fraud, andthey were saying that the reason why insurance
companies don't pursue like fake doctors whoput in false claims for them is because

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it's actually cheaper for them to raiseeverybody else's rates that it is to use
it, you know, And that'show the companies look at like, that's
Walmart. The way Walmart looks atit, it's cheaper to just charge everybody
an extra five cents to buy whateverit was that was being stolen. Then
yeah, then they tip the scales. It's like, yeah, eventually the
stock buybacks and the the dividends aregoing to get paid up to the stockholders.

(30:41):
It's just who gets screwed, right, Yeah, No, you are
right, You are right there.But I still think we should all shoplift
from Walmart at least once. Howabout this, at least once in our
lives. Just every single person who'salive on the planet right now should just
once shot left from Walmart. Doesn'thave to be an expensive thing. If

(31:03):
seven billion of us do it,then, like everything, I try and
have a socially conscious point, butit's yeah, if listen, if you
are going to fuck over the Americantaxpayer, then the American taxpayer is well
within their rights to just be likeI'm having that lipstick, shut the fuck
up, and I'm going in thatman's bathroom even though I'm a woman,

(31:25):
all right. Next thing on theagenda, Matt, there is a there
is a new movie out, Matt. I don't know if you've heard about
this. Seinfeld because we haven't heardenough from him, hasn't made a I
love his comedy. I hate theman. Yeah, God, he's just

(31:45):
so out of touch, wildly outof touch anyway, an arrogant and so
fucking arrogant. Yeah, well wehad the biggest hit TV show, shut
up. So there's a new show. There's new movie for Netflix, right,
Seinfeld, billionaire makes makes movie forNetflix, which is probably the reason

(32:08):
why it gets paid by Netflix,like instead of just instead of as a
billionaire, Matt going, well,I could literally make you know, millions
and millions of movies if I wantedto, sort of, Instead of doing
that, Matt, he went toNetflix just so that he made sure he
got some of our money to makehis movie, because God forbid billionaires put

(32:29):
any of their own money into anythingexcept tax Haven's prostitution rings and fraudulent charities.
So anyway, just shitting all overSeinfeld, John, what's your strategy
for getting the aftermovie Diner back ontop. Well, I'm going to take

(32:52):
the guy who single handedly has proventime and time again to be the most
popular person in the country by generalviewing figures alone, and I'm gonna shit
all over him. But I havea reason, Matt. I think it's
a very good one. So you'vegot signed for You've got the two headed
hydra of nonsense Seinfeld and Netflix,the unholy alliance has begun Master. Right,

(33:15):
so you have this happening, right, Seinfeld's directorial debut Lowa live Action.
I know he did Bees or whateverthat anyway, Ah, but do
you know what it's all about.It's about the serial wars in the sixties

(33:36):
between Kellogg's and Post and it's allabout the race to invent or put out
a pop tart. Right, AndI'm like, you know, on Yeah,
I was watching The Trader and I'mlike, ah, it's funny.
It's whatever it's side. I mean, look, he's really funny. He's
like, there's no denying He's anincredible craftsman, right, and just so
funny. But so I'm watching itblah blah blah, and then I walk

(34:00):
away and I go, wait aminute, and then I start thinking about
it. We've had Tetris and BeatieBabies and fucking Scoop, Scary Heart,
Cheeto's or whatever. It was afucking movie Gucci Gucci was a movie Ford
Versus Ferrari Barbie. We we hadall these movies. There was Tetris,

(34:23):
the BlackBerry movie. We've had allthese movies about products lately. And it
used to be that you had reallycumbersome product placement crow Bart into a movie
that had nothing to do with productplacement. Hang on a second, I
need some water. Yeah, gotyour yetti? My yetti is covered in

(34:43):
dust. I got to clean itlike sometimes like because my office cover it.
But it's it's okay. I finishedthis drink and I put it aside
here and then forgot that I putit, you know, the empty thing
there, and now it's just nowgoing to actually gets like one. I
got to clean it and well hegoes through the dishwasher. Pretty m do
that? Okay, okay, goodright, and a little side bearer and
yetis right, so you know howno, no, because I'm fascinated by

(35:08):
this. This is this is athing. So for years and years and
years we had thermos, right,and thermals kept things hot or kept things
cold, depending on what you putin it. And you were just like,
oh, the Thermos, That's whatit was forever and ever and ever.
And there were other companies, Matt, but they fell by the wayside,
toppled by the corporate giant of Thermosbeing like, you want liquids kept

(35:30):
hot or cold? We are yourchaps right then, out of nowhere,
Matt, out of nowhere, theYetti arrives, just arrives out of nowhere,
and it's doing exactly the same thingthat Thermos has been doing for years.
But we all somehow bought into itand it and it's apparently better.

(35:54):
Like people swear, they go,this keeps it colder. I'm one of
I have a hot one for that, I have my tea, and I
have this cold one that I usefor my water. And I've said it,
dude, I've said it. I'venever had tea kept this hot for
this long, and I've never hadyou know, lemonade or whatever kept this

(36:15):
call for this call. And thenI started to think, well, okay,
what if yet he is a newthing, Like what if it's a
new alloy or a new you know, combined metal or something. There was
a new thing, right, Butthen I went, wait, what happens.
What happens is all good things thatwe all buy into that we go,

(36:37):
oh fuck, I never knew thatwe can have this a TV in
my pocket? Who the fucking inventedthis crack? And then we find oh,
made by Asian child labor, slavelabor, and you go every time
you then pick up your fucking wizardin your pocket device. You go,
there's the blood on my hands oflots of you know, Asian children by

(37:00):
a jerk who denied his daughter,who was horrible to people. Yeah right,
yes, it doesn't pay taxes,right right. Died of pink redit
cancer because it was actually diagnosed earlyand he could have fixed it, but
decided to do some sort of holisticthing until it was too late. Like,
yeah, right, I was surprisedat just how bad Steve Jobs was,
but it's still like, yeah,I'm holding evil in my hands,
but I love it that I canlike yeah, like you said, like

(37:22):
I can buy tickets to sporting eventsor watch videos and stuff on it.
Yeah right, No, no,totally. But like all good things where
we get all excited about it,we buy into a wholesale we'll find out,
Matt that, Oh the mystery aboutyetis the reason why Yeti's a batsa.
Oh the YETI Corporation was sacrificing millionsof baby otters to uh to a

(37:49):
love Craftian deity. Right. Theybelieve Sata on top Mount Kilimanjaro, and
we're one day going to give themthe secrets the universe. You go,
I'm sorry what you no? No, the reason why you're Yetti keeps things
colder than anything else is it's offthe back of a million and I'm talking

(38:09):
millions. There were fields strewn withthe dead bodies of baby ters. What
the cute things on YouTube with thelittle yeah, the cute things on YouTube,
with the little funny bores. Theymurdered millions of them. Matt brought
them to near extinction just so wecan have slightly colder water. That's and

(38:30):
we'll find it out, you knowwhat I mean. That'll be That'll be
a moment where we'll all collectively lookat each other and be like, I
don't know, though it does keepwater very cold, and will will maybe
in the same way that we reactto the continual deaths of our children by
firearm non ironically just other children gunningdown other children or crazy people just gunning

(38:57):
down other children, in this sameway, will we look at the dead
baby atters and go acceptable losses?And I honestly think that that's no.
I think the baby otters would beenough to kill the Yetti because because you
could just go back to Thermos,right because Thermos is over here just being

(39:22):
like, well, we do makeour ship and sweatshops in Thailand. But
don't don't look that up. Don'tworry about it. We're the good guys.
Thermos is over here and there likeplaid and tweed, because Thermos was
always like a cozy color, whereasYetty's like slate blue and sleek silver,
and you're just like, because weare the devil anyway. So but to

(39:44):
go back, Siheld is making amovie about breakfast cereals and pop tuts right
on Netflix. And I watched thetrailer and I was like, oh,
funny, it's cute. It's aboutlike, oh, it's you know,
it's like pop Ta's like the BeatyBaby movie or the BlackBerry movie or what.
But it's about like fucking popped outs. Oh that's cute. And here
he'll get through a lot of likeobservational witticisms about cereal and little fucking bomb

(40:08):
marks about fucking glazing or something Ising or whatever. I don't know what
he's planning. Who can tell.Maybe it's just him and a bunch of
his stand up friends driving around ina car for half an hour talking about
fucking times that they were much muchfunnier than their being right now. I
don't know what it is. Maybeit'll be one of those things. But

(40:31):
I watched the trailer like most people. We know, that'll yeah, I'll
watch that. That'll pass my time, which is what Netflix wants you to
think. Netflix wants you to watchthe trailer and go, oh, another
innocuous part of old drivel. Putthat into my eyeballs now because my brain
is so melted by the fucking culturewars. I have to fight every single

(40:52):
day for no reason whatsoever other thanpeople's fear and stupidity. Uh the fuck
it. Just pump syrupy dieglos Seinfeldbullshit into my face sockets and let's get
on with it. Right then Istarted to think about it, Matt,

(41:13):
and I'm like, wait, it'sa billionaire making a movie about warring corporate
multi billionaire fucking companies who have been, by the way, Matt, feeding
children poison for like fifty fucking years. Right, what did you do today

(41:34):
there? Oh? I gave anentire generation diabetes. Good night, Ah,
you know, sleep like a fuckingbaby, these cunts. Anyway,
I'm really had a roll, Matt. So suddenly I'm looking at it and
I'm like, fucking Netflix took myfucking money, gave it to a billionaire

(41:59):
who then went to fucking two otherbillionaire companies when if you let me,
probably in a fucking hot tub matsurrounded by fucking eighteen year olds pouring them
champagne over their ample bosoms, somewherein a tax haven. That's what I'm

(42:19):
picturing. Seinfeld and two old,krusty white men who owned fucking Post and
fucking Callogs sitting in a hot tubwith dead achroid. Nobody knows why dead
acroid is there. He's fucking theresedead acroids fucking everywhere. He's coughing fucking
Crystalhead vodka straight from the skull rightright, He's got a black T shirt

(42:44):
on you mother, in the hottub, he's wearing his black T shirt
still. Meanwhile, Dona Dixon ischatting up the towel guy, like the
fuck that I have a fucking HarryRaymond stands for Ellwood Blues anyway. So

(43:07):
you have fucking Seinfeld and the Wrigleyold boobs who run fucking Post and Kellogg
sat in the hot tub and he'slike, if we all go to Netflix,
we'll be able to get the commonman's money to make a fucking movie
about not one but two giant billioncorporations, written, directed and starring a

(43:34):
billionaire. How about we do thatthat'll make people feel good? And suddenly,
Matt I felt a little sick,just a little sick. And then
I suddenly started thinking, why arethey making all these movies about products?
Yeah? When did that happen?Matt? Can you remember like the first
one you kind of clocked and wentwait first? Yeah, I mean,
I mean because you think about likeobviously, like you know, properties,

(43:59):
right, like like comic book characters, things like that that like you could
turn into products, like like heman right, he Mane was a product
before it was anything else, Andthey made a movie about it. And
that movie didn't do that well,but part of it was because you know,
it wasn't made that well, butthe animation was. I mean,
that lives on today. People rememberit so funly. Yeah, it was

(44:19):
their first homosexual awakening, Matt.When they saw those furry little red underpants.
They were like, Adam from Maternia, you are a beefcake. Then
there is no doubt about it,right, bring your little mushroom hair over
to me. Sorry, continue.You know. One of the things about
at least about Americans in general,that I've noticed. And I don't know

(44:42):
if this is true of the restof the Western world, but Americans like
being lied to and sold to.And I don't know why that is,
but I think that's like, Ithink that's what it is with all of
this stuff. It's like, Oh, I want to watch a movie about
pop tarts because Jerry Seinfeld made itand I think pop tarts are great.
Like most of the kids are goingto watch a movie about pop tart,
don't we remember when they were likepre frosted, you know that time when

(45:02):
they weren't frosted and you just likegot them and they like like, I
remember my mom, you know whenI was growing up, when I was
a kid, you know, mymom would work and it was like one
of those things like in the morningwith my sister and I would go to
nursery school or whatever. It waslike, here's a pop tart and it
was like this this dry, crustything that had like a smattering of like
blueberry preserves or something in the middleof it, and it was like you

(45:22):
felt you felt happy to have thatbecause it was the eighties and it was
the early eighties, and you know, it was like it was good,
but it was like, there's nothinglike nostalgic about it or anything like that.
But I think like kids nowaday likemillennials in particular, they just love
anything that they remind you know,reminds me of being a kid. It's
it's yeah, it's like Twinkies andpop tarts, right like America is twinkies

(45:44):
and pop tarts. And you neversay a word against Twinkies or pop tarts,
you know what I mean? Youcould, You could probably say that
Hershe. In fact, I havesaid it to the Hershey chocolate is an
abomination unto the human race and resembleschocolate like fucking dog shit resembles car wax.

(46:07):
But I can say that and mostAmericans would look at each other knowingly
and be like, you know,he's not wrong, because they had a
bit of milker on vacation or something, and they suddenly realized, oh my
god, where the fuck is thisdelicious, actual human food from Let us
import it. Because when I firstmoved to America, it was a lot

(46:28):
of Hershey's. Now I'm seeing Hersheypushed out for other better lint Lent is
fucking killing it. Lynt went frombeing hoity toity exclusive candy to being the
chocolate of the everyman because they realizedyou got to write eight and you can.
You can grab them while you're tryingto rip off the manager for your

(46:52):
laxatives that you stole or something.We're not wrong, Matt. So everything
about the Seinfeld cereal movie makes ahundred cents on paper. Right, You've
got Seinfeld. Oh, he's boundto have a bunch of cereal bits.
Seinfeld, He's definitely got cereal bits. The whole sitcom that he was in
for years, what did he eat? Cereals to have some cereal bits.

(47:15):
It's gonna be a fucking slam dunkwith a cereal bits some sinor Seifeld,
great phenomenal. All right, whatnext? Well pop tarts or twinkies.
Well, let's get him on thephone and they call up fucking Kelloggs or
Post or whatever. Who does poptarts. It's Kelloggs, right, Yes,

(47:35):
I think what it was is theguy who invented them, because that
the guy who invented him died recently. I think he worked for one of
the cereal places and they didn't wantit. I sold it to the other
one. I think. Guess whathappened. Okay, so yeah, popa
pop tart? Right, who inventedthem? Whatever? A Kellogg's pop tart?
They call them up. They calledtwinky up. Hostess is like,
now when I haven't any of that, ship mate. Then they call up

(47:59):
Kelloggs and they're like, we wouldlove some of that. Everyone has been
moving away from sugar covered cereals latelyto have some of that fucking, you
know, crusty oat based raisin coveredyellow squirrel feed and we want to give
them you know, poison wheat wrappedin poison, gluten wrapped in poison.

(48:24):
We want to be able to dothat again. So we're on board,
so please make pop tarts successful again. Seinfeld doing a bunch of cereal bits.
Netflix is like, well, thisis job's good. And then Seinfeld
goes, you know all the peoplewho was on my show, comedians getting
cars in coffee or whatever. Comediansgetting cars in coffee is what I But

(48:54):
the weird thing, I don't knowwhy my brain does this, but my
brain real organized understood what I meant. Yes, and it's like it's like
it didn't, it didn't even theydidn't skip a beat until you and then
you were like I was think that'sright. He switched too. Yeah,
but that's what my show is goingto be called Comedians and comedians getting cars

(49:15):
in coffee. It's just comedians haveto be buried up to the neck and
beans be the beans, like thebeans like that? Yeah, like yeah,
either the beans or the or liquidcoffee either, it doesn't matter.
The comedians get buried up to theirneck and coffee. They have three opportunities
to tell a joke that makes theaudience laugh, and if they do it,

(49:37):
they get given a car while they'rein coffee. They're just given a
whole fucking car. Take it.Sorry, but the car company is happy
to have the advertising, so they'rejust they're like, they're just hoping Pat
say Jack, you know, didn'talready give it away to some lonely housewife

(49:58):
from Idaho anyway, So I wantedto talk about that match. So I'm
glad we told about Do you haveany opinion about the movie? We're gonna
watch it, right, We're gonnawatch it. It's gonna be fine.
I miss a lot of these movies. I haven't I don't catch them as
often, but I mean with Netflix. So my wife and I were trying
to figure out with Netflix because wejust have it, because we've always had

(50:19):
it, and I haven't watched anythingon there forever. I'm considering maybe dialing
back to the commercial version of itbecause we pay for the non commercial.
But it's like even that, it'slike I don't think enough to a log
into Netflix and do it. Butbut it's like I can't. I can't.
I could never. I don't thinkI could ever get rid of Netflix,
even though we don't watch it,because it's like there's this idea of
like like something like this that likepeople are talking about watching. It's like,

(50:40):
oh I could, I could seethat. It's like yeah, I
I you know, you're probably right. I probably will end up, you
know, like if it's on Netflixand it's like all right, yah,
I'll see, you know, seesee what it's about and see what happens.
But I just I don't know.There's a part of me where I'm
gonna be like, oh, thatwas fun and it past the time,
and and then another part of methat's going to be like, ah,

(51:04):
man, like this is just anotherbig you know, everyone roll up their
cars to the big capitalist gang bang. Well fucking Seinfeld cracks a few badly
glazed jokes. There's been an articlegoing around from the Guardian and I fucking
hate the Guardian, Matt, Ihate the Guardian with a furry, buy

(51:24):
a furry, a furry a fieryburning passion map. Yes, I have
been burning furries lately, but that'snot what I'm talking about. I have
been voluntarily going out into the furrycommunity and burning them, which I believed

(51:45):
they get off on. It's whatI was told that by an arsonist that
I did time with. Anyway,they did an article called the film fans
who refuse to surrender to streaming.One day you'll barter bread for our DVDs
and it says as more movies vanishedfrom streaming services, cinophiles are rallying to

(52:05):
physical media. Can they save aseemingly dying format? So first, even
in the subtitle the Guardian have gotit wrong, right because it's not a
physical media is multiple formats, It'snot just one format, right there,
mister fucking Guardian reader. I cantell j Oliver Conroy is the fucking name

(52:30):
of the author of this abomination,right then, he doesn't know what he's
fucking talking about. The smaller moviesvanished from sir. Cinophiles are rallying to
physical media. That's not why we'vealways collected physical media, you fucking idiot.

(52:50):
Can they see can they save aseemingly dying format, not a format
multiple formats and while it is seeminglydying, because that is what you are
being told by the big corporations.There were plenty of mid size and small
sized businesses doing very well with physicalmedia, but no one wants to talk
about that story because that would goagainst the idea that you want to go

(53:13):
to Walmart. Right anyway, thiswas the line that struck me. I
don't want to go through this wholearticle, but this was the line.
I'll read the whole paragraph and thenwe can talk about it. When a
hurricane struck Florida in twenty eighteen,Christina's neighborhood lost electricity, cell service,
and internet for four weeks. Herfamily was cut off from the world.

(53:34):
I mean they could get in theircar, but okay, for four weeks
her family would cut off for theworld. Their days dictated by the rising
and setting sun. Yes, mostpeople's days are dictated by the rising and
setting sun. How are your daysdictated? Fucking j Oliver Conroy, do

(53:58):
worry about the sun? Your firstname Jay Oliver? Come on now,
is it John? You're like,I don't want to be John Conroy.
I'd rather be Jay Oliver Conroy,your pretentious tosser. Okay, So the
day is dictated by the rising andsetting sun because he thought he'd get a
bit fucking flowery with his language.Everyone's day is dictated by the rising and

(54:20):
setting sun. That's what it's calleda day of fucking moron anyway. But
Christina did have a vast collection ofmovies on DVD and Blu ray, and
a portable player that could be chargedfrom an emergency generator. Word got around
the family's library of physical films andbooks because he just snuck in books.

(54:42):
Don't mention of books prior to this. It was about movies. Just snuck
that in, all right. Thefamily's library of physical films and books became
a kind of currency, kind ofcurrency, Matt, this area of Florida
without like he just went with Ferrell. It went Ferrell, Matt. They
were bartering for books. It's likeRichard Norton driving around with a spiked car

(55:04):
of best ten seconds, Matt.The moment Florida loses electricity, it becomes
waiders of the Atlantiss Like that's thevery next day. They just wake up.
They're like, wait, is thata bunch of nineties Italian punks on
a fucking dune buggy? It iswhere Fred Williams. It's like I heard
there's a whole stack of DVDs overthere that we can go. You know,

(55:28):
all right, well let's go.You know, is like I hear
they got the fucking some new StephenKing in the library of books they're giving
out anyway, weren't going around thatThe family's library of physical films and books
became a kind of currency because theland went feral, just went Neighbors offered

(55:51):
bottle water or jars of peanut butterfor access, not for the movies,
just access to the movies. Wantto be around them. But what are
these people that are like, I'msorry, I've got a copy of Titanic
double double bhs here. What doyou what do we got to borrow it?

(56:13):
Like no pats that they're ready town, Okay, jar of peanut butter,
good, go ahead, pineapples,half a guava and a box of
cookies for the rental of Citizen Kaneand Sunset Boulevard right with the Roger Ebert
commentary track. Oh, I wantto find out one old Roger thinks about

(56:36):
this. Never have I've been moreexcited to see a large gelatine mass tell
me why he thinks about a fuckingfilm. I wouldn't want my fucking ass
with that guy's opinions. Anyway.The first DVD I ever got was Citizen
Kane and it had the Roger Ebertcommentary back, and somehow I turned it
on, did not how to turnit off because I was still new to

(56:58):
DVD's and the DVD player. Iwas stuck watching it with the Roger Abram
No, that is the worst.That is the worst I was. I
was stuck. I was stuck Mattusing the fucking Roger Ebert commentary. And
another thing I thought about, Iate my fifty eighth cake. I don't

(57:22):
know why he's English. I don'tknow why I made of English and the
other than I thought about, whyfucking ate my fifty eight cake? Anyway,
I didn't like any of John Cormon'sfilms. Yeah, because you're fucking
moron. Who ever thought that theguy who fucking wrote co wrote, didn't

(57:44):
even write properly. Co wrote aruss Meyer movie. Movies not known,
Matt. You know russ Meyer,but not known for their dialogue prowess.
It's not really the focus of thosefilms, Matt. And this is when
we were taking film critique advice.This is this is like, he's like
the Walter Cronkite a film critique andhe didn't he he likes one in every

(58:08):
seven bazillion films. And god forbidto be a genre film of any kind,
Go for be a big comedy ora horror film, or an action
film or anything. Well, youknow what they say about how what I
say about comedies, there has tobe at least three laughs in it.
And I don't know about you fuckingRoman, but I fucking ate laughed once

(58:30):
thumbs down next cake, like justfucking oh. I hated him with a
passion. So I will say inhis in his defense. There's a Peter
Weller movie. What was it called? It was The Something Age or something
I can't age. It was thisreally great movie where where somehow I wade

(58:52):
almost old Peter Weller movies. Idon't know anything called The Something Age.
Oh, it's like but it cameout like ninety six. It's uh,
oh, why can't I find itout? This is horrible. The New
Age as what it's called the NewAge ninety four came out. It is
an amazing movie, and I foundit through Roger Ebert putting on his best
of list for uh I think hehad it on his best of listening either

(59:13):
for the nineties, for the yearof nineteen ninety four. It is a
fantastic movie. Yeah. Yeah.Peter Weller plays a yuppie with another with
Judy Davis. They're they're a yuppiecouple who run into money problems and at
the very end he ends up havingto sell like a oh it's on plaques.
I didn't realize it's I've never heardof this movie. I literally wrote
the book on Wallow and Woods.Yeah, this is insane because this was

(59:38):
again, this was Roger Ebert.I believe it was Roger Ebert who was
like, you know, this moviewas what he was like one of his
top movies of the year. Atthe end, it's like like like,
I mean, like the technology they'reusing in the early nineties is these yuppies,
like you know, like he's he'slike playing with a laser disc.
He's trying to figure. He's like, you know, it's it's it's a
it's a fantastic movie. Have Inever heard of this? Yeah? You

(01:00:00):
love it. I think you'll loveit. It's it's peak Weller. Oh
man, I've got I mean,anything went well like yuppy Weller trying to
use a laser disk. That's mydream. Yeah. At the very end,
he ends up being like, ais this the thing that fucking wins
me back on fucking Ebert? Itmight be like the only reason it literally
one of the trivia is was numbernine on Roger Ebers's list of best films

(01:00:23):
of nineteen ninety four. Exactly,It's nineties list. That's the one thing
about Ebert is his nineties list.Like the movies that he has on his
nineties list are pretty solid, andbut this was one I'd never heard of
it either. I was like,what is this the new age? And
I found it. I was like, this is amazing. Oh I gotta
watch this, dude. All right, well, we'll we'll report back,
We'll do an episode on it.Yes, yeah, I would love to

(01:00:45):
see this one again. I discussit. This is Yeah, this is
a fantastic movie. So neighbors offeredbottle water or jars of peanut for access.
Look at this man, this this, this sentence coming up both made
me the happiest I've been in daysand the angriest I've been in days.
See if you can spot why itwas great. The nineteen eighty nine Tom

(01:01:08):
Hanks comedy The Burbs was an inexplicablyvaluable commodity, as were movies that could
captivate restless and anxious children. Soit's like, with one handy giventh and
with the other hand he taketh away, because he says, you started.
Tom Hanks's comedy The Burbs, bythe way, one of only four perfect

(01:01:31):
movies ever made. He loved thatmovie. It is just perfect, one
of my all time favorites. Yeah, he then says it is. It
was an inexplicably valuable commodity. Justa valuable commodity. Take the inexplicable out
of it. I remember my friendhe had he owned it of VHS,
and he had left it at hisparents' house as removed out, and I

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remember he was like, I reallywant to watch The Burbs. I think
his wife was out of town andhe was like, well, let's watch
the Burbs. And he was justlike, let's play exactly. So he
was like tearing through his brother's houselike trying to and he found it.
He didn't find it, but hewas like, I need, you know,
we need to watch this, likeand it's one of those movies that

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is just You're right, it isthere. There are very few movies that
you could look at and say there'snot a thing, you know that,
there's not a complaint that I couldmake. You know, it's the perfect
concept, right. It's the OnaSia building and their weird neighbor, you
know, neighbor paranoia, paranoia orwhatever. It's the perfect concept, right.

(01:02:34):
It is the perfect cast. Yes, whether it's the written word or
whether it's the improvisations, it's fuckingI mean, Bruce Dern as Rumsfeld has
There is not a better performance committedto cinema anywhere. I'm a huge fan
of Robert de Niro as the NextPerson. Taxi driver was my bible growing
up. Puff from the bit wherehe kills everybody. I just liked the

(01:02:59):
cinematographer, this saxophone, the youknow, the storyline, all the rest
of it. But I loved Iloved breathed an eight taxi driver for a
long time. But uh, youknow, the the Wonder of the Burbs
and the performance of Bruce den asRumsfeld not to mention, I mean,

(01:03:20):
fucking Duckerman is incredible as Urt whyGan and Tom Hanks at his best career,
best as Ray. But I meanthat was a time that was like
your pre Oscar winning, you know, your pre Forced Gump, pre Philadelphia
Tom Hanks the best he was TomHanks. Yeah, he was. You
know, he had to he wasgetting roles. He wasn't just being handed

(01:03:42):
big blockbuster roles. He wasn't,you know he he he had to do
something in these roles and he hadto he had to bring something to the
table. Dude. You look atSplash, you look at the Urbs,
you look at Volunteers, you lookat Man with One Red Shoe. You
look at some of those movies thathe made, which were the big movies
because we think of them today.You know, they might not have made
the most of the box office,but they were big splash Didspatro's huge,

(01:04:04):
right, Oh yeah, and itis. It's just the best era of
Hanks. It's it's the time whereyou're just now. Look. I get
it as someone who was always moreof a straight guy than he was a
full blown comedian, although I haveto say in Volunteers he does a great

(01:04:26):
like nineteen forties, like you know, Bostonian accent, quick witted kind of
character, which I really love.But that era, he is just the
perfect every man. I get thathe wanted to like stretch his wings and
do some other stuff, and Iwon't begrudge him anything, but when he
has done comedy, like when hewent back to it with well, he

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did Charlie's War, which was sortof like had some sly comedy in it,
and then he did the Oh myGoodness, his other directorial film,
to Forget what It's cool. Butit's about the guy who goes back to
school. We were talking about allthese going to school. That's about the
guy goes back to school in hismid late for his early fifties. And
uh, it's like a little Roumcolum And with Judy Roberts, and I'm

(01:05:14):
trying to think what it's cooled,But I really love it. I really
love that movie. It's just asweet, nice, cozy, middle aged
funny movie and it has pame grarein it right, yes, which is
always good. Yeah, it's youknow with Tom Hanks. Yeah, it's
it's like like once he became big, like once it were once he once

(01:05:35):
it was like one of those thingswhere like he's nominated for Oscars every year
and all that. But I rememberhe did Celebrity Jeopardy on Saturday Night Live
and he was playing himself, butplaying himself as an ignoramis the way that
all the other actors that you knoware ignoramuses. And I mean I remember
him sitting there like he's he wasgot trying to get a pickle out of

(01:05:55):
a jar and he's got his handsstuck and and and you know you've got
Will Ferrell as you know, Trebeklike being you know, Sny and saying
like, well you need to youknow, like like go the pickle or
whatever, and he's like, let'sthe pickle and he's like, you know,
it's like but like the whole routine, which is so beautiful, and
it's like this is Tom Hanks,but we almost never get that Tom Hanks.
It's almost like you forget what agreat comedic actor he was. I

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liked him. He did that Robotrobot and dog movie on Apple Plus recently,
where he's the last man alive travelingacross a desolate post. I love
that there's a Tom Hanks post apocalympticmovie, but to make it Tom Hanks
enough instead of Vernon Wells on agiant you know truck rig going crazy and

(01:06:41):
screaming at him in Australia. It'slike a cute dog and a quirky robot,
you know what I mean. ButI kind of love that that movie
was. Really it was like cozyHanks. I really liked that. But
no, Hanks is Kanks. Iwas gonna say, Kanks is great.
I love Kanks. He's my favorite. I will never begrudge Kanks because he's

(01:07:04):
in the Burbs. But this isI'll read one more paragraph and then this,
so I don't. This is aquote. So it says the Bourbs
was inexplicably valuable commodity as well moviesthat could captivate restless and anxious children,
which describes just about all children,right, So anyway, I love the

(01:07:26):
flowery adjectives this guy restless and anxiouschildren. It has such a Dickensian vision
of what's happening. Please, canI have some more, right, So
Kish, yeah, just doing alittle tap dance, all right? Mary
Poppins, why is she an AustralianOutbaximum? Okay, So I don't think

(01:07:50):
nine people in America would ever stopto think what would I do if I
woke up tomorrow and all access todigital media disappeared? But we know,
Christina told me, we've lived it. We've lived the great streaming shortage of
one month in Florida. We've livedthrough it. Matt. Don't ever let

(01:08:12):
us say that America has not gonethrough hard times. They have lived without
all access, Matt. All acts. They couldn't even drive to another place
where they might have access. Theylost all access from everything, even their
phones. Matt, you know whatI mean? That could also, by
the way, be charged by emergencygenerator. Anyway, they lost all access,

(01:08:34):
Matt. Let's not even question it. But they know they've lived it.
Christina told me, we've lived it. We'll never give up our collection
ever, and maybe one day you'llbe the one to come and barter a
loaf of bread for our DVD ofCasino. Isn't that the best line you've
ever read in your life? Awoman told the newspaper. Maybe one day

(01:08:59):
you'll be the one to come andboughter a loaf of bread for a DVD
of Casino. I can't even beginto explain the madness of this article,
but go ahead. I feel likeif you and I, like if this
is one of those things where likeyou kind of you know, you ten
thirty at night, you were justlike this idea of like post apocalyty,
you know, like like you know, like an article about about physical media.

(01:09:23):
What would the article be? Andyou and I were kind of bouncing
things back and forth. We couldn'thave come up with a better parody,
right of the concept than this articlewas a parody of itself right then the
Jay Oliver Conroy, Yeah, misterking of the flowery adjectives, who thought
he would paint the picture of aDekensian post apocalyptic Florida filled with people bothering

(01:09:46):
Casino DVDs by the way back,one of the most readily available DVDs in
any good will anywhere on the entireplanet. Or or again another one of
those double tapes. I think mywife does the double tape of it,
you know. Yeah, I meanthere's this this vacuousness and I feel like

(01:10:06):
I'm always picking on millennials. Butthere's this sort of this vacuousness about like
like a lot of the websites thatI use are like, you know,
Firefox whatever, they have these clickbaityarticles and it's always like a you know,
a orrible history of my cousin Vinnie, or these credit you know,
it's like there's these self important crapthings that they do. I mean,

(01:10:26):
when I was watching Predator, Iwas looking it up on Wikipedia, just
gonna see what people were saying aboutit, and they were like one,
like I think it was Enterhewment Weeklydid the best action films of all time,
and they had a twenty second andI was like, I can't think
of twenty two better action movies thanthe first Predator. Like it's just not
possible. But like if you werekind of grew up in this time where
nineteen eighty seven was way too earlyfor you to remember anything, and you're

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growing up in kind of like thatpost like period, well of course you're
going to think like a Marvel movie. I think they had the Winter Soldier
Captain America. Winter Soldis was liketwenty fifth and it's like it's like I
like Captain America Winter Soldier. Butas an action movie, it is not
three movies behind. If they hadFast and Furious five, I'd be like,
you can have it, because Fastand Fewious five as an old action

(01:11:09):
hound like myself, genuinely surprised me. Like the final race with the safs
and everything, I'm like, Idon't even know how they shot this.
I can't even figure out how theymade it unless they genuinely destroyed Brazil with
a pair of genormous saves being pulledby Dodge chargers. I mean, I
was just like that. That andfucking the rock, jumping down the fucking

(01:11:32):
like slum the rio slums. Whatare they called the the vellas? Right,
yeah, I mean come on now, that was action and I will
give it to Fast five and Takenand the Raid for being like three oh,
and the Transporter or Crank pick yourStatham. But those to me are

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like, if you're going to talkabout action movies in the two thousands onwards,
you know, that's what I'm thinkingof. I'm thinking of that ship.
I'm not thinking of fucking you know, Chris Evans puncing around and like
her fucking hitting. It's like it'slike like Rolling Stone had a similar as
the head Predator four, which isa little bit closer right to where you

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want to be, but it wasbehind borne identity, and it's like,
you cannot have an action movie thatis helmed by Matt Damon above a sports
nigger classic, right, So it'slike it's like it's not possible. But
I think there's this idea. Ithink there's this thing where if you're born
of certain ages, you appreciate thingsdifferently. And I think that's one of
the things that I feel fortunate aboutabout our age, is that a Predator

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movie it hits the right way,like it feels it has us a feel
to it that if you were younger, right, and you grow up with
kind of a different kind of action, it's harder to appreciate what is going
on there. You almost have completelyYeah, and we'll we'll we'll get into
it with with Predators Too, becausePredators Too is definitely a movie that as

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although I watched it growing up whenit came out, and watched it probably
again in college, I don't thinkI've watched the movie in twenty years and
watching it as an adult with thenow knowledge of like twenty years worth of
knowledge about action films and about youknow, how Hollywood made action films versus

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how you know, PM Entertainment orCanon or any of these people made action
films. Seeing Predator Too is aparticularly unique experience. Once you've got all
that baggage with you, it actuallyhelps rather than being negative baggage, and
that actually helps. But it's areally good segment and I don't want to
lose it. The last thing,last point I wanted to make on this
article because I think it's worth makingthat Amanda Bowman, who they don't they

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credit for a photograph at the topof the article, and it says underneath
an Amanda Bowman's DVD collection, andthen there's a quote. I just feel
like companies parentheses wise, companies inparentheses. I don't understand that, but
I just feel like companies, they'rereal companies. That that's the thing that
exists. We're not being ironic aboutcompanies are trying to herd people into streaming.

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It's frustrating, it's also isolating,she says. Photograph by Amanda Bowman.
Now in the photograph, she's gotlittle dividers right with the names of
the categories written on right. Shehas provided just luck would have it.
She has provided a photograph that showsher collection matt of Richard Linklater, Terrence

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Malick, Cohen Brothers, and SpikeLee, showing Amanda Bowman to have very
discerning taste. Right if she hadsists, I would have more respect for
Amanda Bowman if she had, youknow, a slew of either like musicals

(01:14:55):
or won't shey comedies or wrong comsor action movies. And of course the
fucking picture you sent into The Guardianwas, oh, I've watched Terrence Mallick
and spite Lee. Oh we've allwatched fucking spight Lee and Terrence Malick.
But we all know that on arainy fucking night, we're putting on a

(01:15:17):
Godzilla movie, or we're putting onfucking the Burbs, or we're putting on
something we're not putting on. Fuckingpeople standing in a corn field for eight
hours, staring into the middle distancetalking about on Wii, we're not doing
it. Yeah, And I thinkI think, like, yeah, I
mean I remember growing up you'd seepeople that would have like the like every

(01:15:41):
like TNT New Classic or like everylike. You know, they would have
like all those like mainstream ones andI look at that collection and be like,
man, this is boring, Likeit's just you know, but it's
like like now, I think you'reright, Like I'd appreciate it if I
saw like that was you know,like I went at somebody's place in those
I mean, if if if CitizenKane's on one channel and The Fugitive is
on the other channel, I'm watchingThe Fugitive because it's a fucking amazing film.

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I mean, that's the other thing. It's like, there are two
movies that every time we go andstay, like whenever we go to an
Airbnb and it's not got a streamingenabled television like not where you can't log
into Netflix and shit like that,but it has cable, right, it
just has whatever. The movies thatare always on cable that I will always
watch without that is The Fugitive,Casino and a Few Good Men that at

(01:16:29):
any time of day all night,those three movies are on a cable channel
somewhere. And I'll tell you what, I could watch those three movies over
and over and over and over again. I will take them over most things.
The Verbs is another one, andit was funny I was saying you
know, she would never have aphotograph of like the true movies she loves.

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For example, if I was sendinga photograph into The Guardian, the
first movie that would probably be stickingout of my shelves would be Predator Too,
just because I want them to knowright off Predator two is the kind
of movie that tells people right offthe bat if you're a fan of Predator
two, it tells every people allthey need to know about you because a

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certain person is a fan of Predatorto you know what I mean? Yeah,
because because yeah, well I wasthinking about myself. It's all Dolph
Thunder because I like just a wholeI have doulp undermans. I didn't even
know I have. I like Isaw, I had the detention when you
have other movies he doesn't even remembermaking exactly exactly, but like Predator too.
You're absolutely correct, cause it's likeI like your friends that I met

(01:17:32):
like kind of in college and thingslike that. You know, after well
after Predator who came out, youknow, you you talk with them about
movies and you know, what,what are we gonna watch? What you
know, or you'd see a Predatorto in their collections like oh, you've
got Predator too. Yeah, youwant to watch it. Let's let's fire
it up. And it's like youcan instantly bond with people who appreciate that
movie. It's like you said,Predator the first Predator is that that apex

(01:17:54):
kind of classic that everybody knows andlikes and you know all the quotes and
probably a bunch of kids don't knowthat there's the meme of the of Carl
Weathers and you know, Arnold Swarzeneggershaking hands. It's like, you know
the meme of like two things fromthis you know, you know whatever,
you know, but they probably don'tknow that that's where that meme comes from.
But that's you know, they knowthe meme right. Whereas Predator Too,
it's like, yeah, to appreciatePredator two is is like a different

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because it is. I don't sayit's a forgotten movie, but it's like
it's underappreciated. I think, oh, definitely, well, because I think
even growing up, when I firstwatched Predator, I'd always heard, oh,
but don't watch Predator too. It'sit's terrible like that always. Now,
that didn't stop me watching, andI watched it and enjoyed it for
what it was back then, butI certainly wasn't in any way versed in

(01:18:41):
action movies the way I am now, but I certainly enjoyed it back then.
But no, it has a reallybad reputation next to the first one,
which has possibly an inflated reputation.Even though I love the first I'm
not no knock on the first one. I'm just saying, like has a
reputation that is unimpeachable, whereas Predatortwo is considered a piece of shit.

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I think they're two completely different beasts. And this is how I look at
it. There are Evil Dead fansthat are Evil Dead one, some of
Evil Dead two and then the EvilDead remake, and they think that anytime
Evil Dead gets too jokey, theydon't like it. They like serious gore
and grime and psychological bland. Theyjust don't like it, right. And

(01:19:30):
then there's other ones of us whoyou know, we start with Evil Dead.
We understand the Evil Dead two isthe like Transition movie. Then Evil
Dead three is like wacky as beans, right, Predator two is the army
of darkness of the Predator franchise.You either get it or you don't.
You know what I mean, thereare some evil Dead fans who sit so
happily in both camps, right,but there are some evil Dead fans that

(01:19:54):
are just like, no, it'sone and done, or it's one in
the remake because they're both gretty andyou know whatever. They both you know,
take each other too seriously, butthe and and you know it's similar.
We're seeing this debate at the momentwith Frozen Empire coming out about Ghostbusters
and how many times you have theseGhostbuster fans that it's the first one and

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that's it, or it's all weirdlyit's like the first one and After Life
like they I mean, everyone hatesthe female one again, I don't understand.
I have an article on my websitethat explains why the Female One is
not bad. It could have beena foxite better. I'm not saying it's
great, but you know that there'sit's not a bad film, but it's

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it's better than After Life, whichI rewatched recently and is an atrocious piece
of shit. I mean, seriouslywatched with any kind of level of intelligence.
After Life is categorically one of thestupidest and worst fucking blogbusters of recent
years. But anyway, that's that'sanother tangent. But everyone that the looks
Ghostbusters too, which I think isevery single bit the equal of the first

(01:21:05):
movie. I love Ghostbusters too,unreservedly. I love Predator too. Uh.
In fact, in a weird way, as much as I love Predator,
I'm probably gonna watch Predator two moreoften. But yeah, I'm gonna
I'm gonna get more of a kickout of it in a way. Yes,
sorry, go ahead to what Iwas gonna say, because one of

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the interesting things for me growing upwith Predator two is that I had friends
who only like Predator two more becauseit furthered the story of the Predator,
although the of the alien ration orlike I remember one friend one time we
were watching the movie and there's thescene where you know, he goes to
kill Maria contre Concito Alonso and thendiscovers that she's pregnant and doesn't and I
remember he was like, everybody,shut up, we got it, because
this is like important about the Predator. You got all the badies that know

(01:21:46):
this, and it's like we're allin the room, like we've seen this
before, we know what it is, you know, but it's like that
you know this guy I worked withone time, who, like I was
talking of Crazy Train started and hewas like, sorry, dude, I
listened to Crazy Train like while wewere in a conversation. It's like that
kind of ridiculous. But what Ifound I don't have to respect that level
of it. It is, yeah, kind of exactly. But when I
discovered in meeting people who like yourselfor you know, like my buddy in

(01:22:10):
college, Ian, who who's afan of this movie, is that there's
a I liked it for a differentreason, right. I liked it because
I liked the Danny. I likedall the other parts of it. It
wasn't just about furthering the Predator story, which was great as well. But
you know, I liked it asa movie on its own. And that
was the thing I discovered, kindof like what you were talking about,
where it's like, you know,remember my friend Ian who had a copy
of it and we were talking.I was like, we just loved this
idea of Danny Glover as the hero, and like you said, like the

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action scenes and everything, it's it'sbeyond just a furthering of the Predator story,
which I think for my friends inhigh school we're kind of geeky about
that. That's what they liked itfor as as an action movie on its
own, it should get more appreciation. It's you know, Ghostbusters two is
an interesting comp because I remember whenI saw Ghostbusters Too. I was a
kid, and there what It's kindof the same thing with The Predator Too,

(01:22:54):
where like there wasn't an idea thatyou weren't supposed to like the second
Ghostbusters. It wasn't ntil I gotto be older when people were like,
oh, at Ghostbusters Too. Youdon't like that. You know, nobody
likes that Ghostbuster Too don't like right, Well, I don't know what.
I had the chicken pox when Iwatched it. I was like, home.
You know, my Ghostbusters Too ishilarious. I mean, Peta mcnicholl
walks away with the film. Youget fucking Rick moranis in a Ghostbusters onesie.

(01:23:16):
Seriously, you get a giant statueof Liberty walking down the New York
streets to the sounds of your lovekeeps lifting me higher. If that doesn't
give you goose bumps, you're fuckingdead. You're dead for the balls up
and I've just I've got no timefor you. Get in touch with your
emotions. I know Daddy never lovedyou and Mummy never hugged you. I
get it. Drop that, moveon, grow up, feel feel true

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emotion. Rewatch Ghostbusters two. Realizeit's fucking brilliant. Realize it's fucking hilarious.
It's got a whole different plot.People always accuse it of being a
remake of the first one. Howis it a remake of the first one?
It's not at all. In thefirst one, they didn't even know
ghosts were real until they discovered ghosts, and then it's just sort of a
series of ghosts. And then it'sthis Ghosa thing that shows up at the

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end in the second one, theslime that is throughout the movie that is
causing the supernatural occurrences to happen,that is literally feeding off the negative energy
of New York. Like, so, not only is it a completely different
plot, but it's got a genuinelike social conscience to it as well.
Right with a little message snucked in, it's as funny as the first one.

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When I still say some scenes funnierthan the first one. It ends
with Rick Morana saving the day.Like I can't tell people who hate Ghostbusters
to enough that they're the problem,not the movie. It's I think it
is. I think it's didn't didn'tBill Murray not like the movie? Like
wasn't he like not a fan ofthe movie, doesn't like any who cares

(01:24:45):
what? But I think that's whatit is because remember that time when Bill
Murray was the biggest A favorite activityis fucking golf one of the stupidest things
you've ever done in your life?I agree there. Remember there's this period
of time where like, you know, Bill Murray's on with this, you
know, with with Boordain and howgreat is he? He's in another jar
Moush movie, and how great ishe in this Wes Anderson movie. Everybody

(01:25:06):
loved Bill Murray and it was like, well Bill Murray didn't like Ghostbusters,
then I can't like Ghostbusters. Ifeel like that was part of it,
that was part of whys. Butthen why did they ship all over the
female film he was in that?Well, because that's that's different. That's
women doing something right, right,that's like a whole different fragile, fat
boy ego can't handle if women startdoing things. The other thing I didn't

(01:25:29):
like about it was they didn't tieit into the original franchise, set it
in Philly, have a bunch ofwomen doing it, have the New York
franchise still going on, have awhole other things, like this idea that
ghosts only happened in New York,Like what is that? No, you
could have ghost like the fact thatthe Ghostbusters franchise people don't see this.
The Ghostbusters franchise could literally be getfour comedians each generation, get them together,

(01:25:54):
have them in a different town,in a different city, fighting a
different ghost that like Ghostbusters Pot twoalready has a supernatural explanation, but maybe
a societal sci fi kind of commentaryon what's going on in the world.
I mean, right now, withall the division and shit, you could
do so much with like supernatural stuffor whatever, but no, people are
just and you know whatever. Anyway, I'm just saying, there was such

(01:26:17):
an opportunity to do that, Andthat's the only thing that I feel bad
about the movie is that missed thatopportunity. Apart from that, it's a
really funny comedy with those four womenin it, who are all fucking expert
comedians, and I think it Yeah, I mean, the CGI is not
great and Paul Fig goes on toolong, and you know there's other issues,
but you could say the same aboutevery Paul Fig movie. So I'm

(01:26:39):
not like whatever, Yeah, sothere was so Yeah. To me,
it's like, you either like Escapefrom La or you don't like Escape from
La. I happen to fucking loveEscape from La. And if you don't
get Escape from La, there's apart of me that thinks you don't fully
understand John Carpenter. You just becausewhether it's Ghosamus or whether it's Escape from

(01:27:02):
La, or whether it's like someof his big tuble little China, some
of his wet Goofia entries, that'swho he is too. I re emberone
loves like the following Halloween and thething Competent, and I do too,
But I also love the Competent hasa sense of humor, a sense of
extravagance, a sense of ridiculousness,Like those are things I love about Compenter

(01:27:24):
as well, and you can't removethat from the artist the way some fans
want to. Yeah, well,that's why my friend, another friend of
mine, who you know, actuallyI think he also kind of appreciates Predator
too, But I remember he kindof likes that Goofy or Carpenter, right,
He's always been a fan of that. And I remember I went with
somebody else to see Escape from LAbefore he and I went and saw it

(01:27:44):
with some of our other friends,and I told him I was like when
I saw, I was like,you're gonna love this. And it was
one of those deals where like hewas the only one out of our friends
who enjoyed it, because like everybodywent and thinking they were gonna get the
serious action movie. And I rememberI said, I was like, this
is a comedy, Like get readyfor this, It's gonna be funny.
And they they had trouble. ButI mean, like I still whenever I
hear I love LA, I thinkof at the end of that movie,
you know, and it's like,yeah, that man, But it's these

(01:28:08):
people who watch Escape from New Yorkthinking it's serious, right right exactly?
Which that was my my friend,that the one that I one's so gritty
and serious when it's a fucking comicbook. Have you ever read comic books?
Away? Because it's exactly because thatfriend that I was excited, my
friend Petrowski, I was. Iwas excited to show him Escape from LA.

(01:28:29):
He was the one who introduced meto Escape from New York knowing it
was a comedy, and he waslike, yeah, you're gonna get a
kick out of this movie. Thisis you know, a ton of fun
to watch this. And I waslike, yeah, right, I'll watch
it, you know, And yeah, Corgnight is a cabby for fox sake.
If that's not like people are like, well, Escape from LA was
just so silly and childish. I'mlike, I love Don't get me wrong,
I love Escape from New York.And I understand that totally. One

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is like blue hues and slow scenesand moody copy to me music, and
the other one is bright oranges andbright reds and like heavy metal mixed in
with Carpenter's music, and you know, it's I understand that it's ramped up
on every level in a way thatthat is not your thing, right,

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And I understand that. But ifyou look at the core plot points or
the characters or the setup, Escapefrom New York and Escape from LA are
the same animal. They're filmed,you know, twenty you know whatever,
it is fifteen years apart, witha bunch of different shit going on,
And I understand people are not comfortablewith that, but they're the same animal

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at that core in the writing.Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they
they are like they're like he saidthat that there's it's almost like it's almost
like when Carpenter made Escape from La. It's almost like he was like,
I want to make this a veryLA movie, right, and New York
a very New York movie. AndI mean New York at the time he

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was making that movie was a dark, kind of grittier place, even though
the humor is there. You know, he wanted to represent that, and
then the La that he wanted torepresent was, like you said, kind
of like a brighter kind of Peopleare not interested in what he wants to
represent. They want him to makethe same fucking movie over and over and
over and over again. But whenyou try and point out, well,

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actually they're fairly similar, they're justtotally slightly different, that's then they go,
well, oh yeah, because it'sjust a remake of the first one.
You go, well, wait aminute, what is it. Is
it that it's not like the firstone? Or is it too similar to
the first one? What is itthat's really bothering you? Isn't it your
daddy didn't love you in your moviedidn't hug you enough. Yeah, let's
just grow the fuck up move on, because this is the thing with movies

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is that everybody kind of affects thisthing about movies where it's either I've got
a champion a movie that nobody elselikes, right, or or I have
to not like a movie that everybodyelse likes or whatever it is. And
people can't just be like, Ilike this movie, and here's you know,
and I don't like this movie oryou know, and it's like,
like you said, like like withthe Ghostbusters. You know, I haven't
seen the female like ghost but I'veonly seen the first two Ghostbusters. I

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haven't seen the other ones that havecome out since. But it's like,
you know, like the Marvels,you know, they came out, you
know last year, when everybody's like, oh the Marvels. It's like it's
it's horrible because you have to dohomework to see the movie, and it's
like, well, no, Ididn't see those, you know, those
other shows. I didn't know whatthe I didn't seem as Marvel or Wanda
Vision, and I understood what washappening in the movie, right, you
know, some thing they have acomplicated is happening in a Marvel movie,

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right, right? I mean,I get the fact that like, Okay,
they've spent two hundred million dollars onthey probably wanted to make a billion
dollars and they barely made their moneyback. If they made that back,
I understad that being an issue.But yeah, it's like people could with
all these reasons why they don't likea movie, and it's almost like just
say, you know, I don'tlike that it's all women leading the movie
and just admit it, and that'sfine. That makes me feel uncomfortable that
I'm not watching yet another white ManSave the World or whatever it is.

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I don't know, I mean,or just be like me and go,
you know what, I'm kind ofdone with it and I just don't want
to go down that road, whichis also a perfectly fine thing to say.
Okay, Predator two, Yes,so this is so. I described
it originally after watching just the openingsequence, which, by the way,
greatest opening sequence of any film ever, just fucking phenomenal. Yeah, if

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you want to know what you don'thave to wait very long to know what
Predator two is all about. Theonly worry you have after that opening action
sequence is are they going to keepthis up? Or am I going to
get this one thing at the beginningand like one action sequence at the end
and in the middle, I'm gonnahave to trudge through fifty minutes of tedium

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Matt. They keep it up,don't they? Through the whole fucking movie.
It never stops. It's beautiful,It's just beautiful. You know what.
The thing is that it was theguy who directed this was twenty eight
years old, I think, ortwenty six or something like that. He
was in his late twenties and namedStephen Hopkins. We don't let enough twenty
somethings direct action movies. I thinkthat's a problem nowadays that everybody who directs

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their older people and they like toand a half hour movies. This is
like what you would expect a latetwenty something to do when they direct the
movie is an hour and forty fiveminutes of just bonkers bonkers Actually, yeah,
yes, no, it's it's it'sfantastic man. So I described the
initial opening sequence is that it's likea PM entertainment movie directed by James Slickenhouse

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after he's been given the budget oflike a mid tier leather of weapon movie
or a mid tiers star trek movielike that kind of we're not talking millions
and millions and millions, but we'renot talking peanuts either, Like more money
than Clickenhouse and PM entertainment we're usedto having, but not enough money that
it suddenly becomes like fucking Independence Dayor whatever. Just that sweet spot.

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Yeah, and I know what thiswas made for, but probably like fifty
sixty million, whatever it is.I think that's what it was. Yeah,
that's sweet Spot for nineteen ninety that. I think that's what it was,
because this is the only one.So it's actually he was thirty five
million, oh okay, right,and it made its budget. It made
fifty seven you know overall. Butit's like one of the only Predators that
didn't make three times its budget.It's really weird, like Predator movies all

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seem to make three times their budgetexcept for this one, and I think
maybe the most recent one too,the twenty eighteen one. But it's amazing
that they don't make more of thesemovies. But it's because, I guess,
because the cap is like it's likeyou spend fifty million to make it
and it makes one hundred and fiftyback, and they want like, no,
let's spend two hundred million to makeit and make one pay two billion
back. That's really what the studiosare looking for. Yeah, and I

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hate to say it. You know, it came up in the discussion around
this movie that the studios were anxiousto have a blackmail lead guests in a
movie which had apart from the moviesyou and I know and love uh and
until the sort of tends I watchedthe movies and stuff was was not readily
happening in nineteen ninety sadly, andso Danny Glover really wanted to take that

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on board and was once he gotsigned up for the movie, became a
big adadvocate for the film because it'syou know, it wasn't it wasn't usual.
And you know, I'm sure thatwhen the grosses came back in that
the studio was like, see,if we'd hired you know, Whittin of

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someone, it would have been muchmore profitable movie. I don't believe that
for a second. Also, ifyou cast someone else in this movie,
it's not this movie. This movieneeds the sweatiest of Glovers running around with
the drooliest of mouths. I mean, he's pretty drouy and sweaty in the

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leather of Weapon franchise. I likemy Glover pretty just drenched in fluids basically,
but Predator too. Man, hestarts he's so sweaty that halfway through
the movie he changes his fucking shirton camera. It's almost like he's just
like, I'm not wearing that anylonger. I can't be bothered, you
know what I mean. Yeah,it's it's amazing, it is. It's

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it's like, you know, it'slike murdtalk, right, We've got murd
talk, but we've got like ifif the you know, this world that
did exist now and in nineteen ninetyseven La, where it's like crime is
everywhere and it's become so big andit's you know, seven years into the
future and is just a permanent warzone exactly the idea like that would be
murdtalk, right, he'd be angrierand more on the edge. And it's

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like Danny Glover leads into all ofthat and you make that us A great
point is that, you know,I mean, Denzel Washington, he makes
Ricochet the next year. You know, you've got Wesley Snipes, doesn't you
know, he's not making actioners untilafter this. It doesn't make any sense
because Shaft is one of the bestyou know, of course, you know,
but but for whatever reason, theyjust decided we can't. You know.
Of course Fred Williamson was was leadingso many like low budget movies.

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But I think we that's another pieceof this that people forget. And I
think part of the reason why thegross didn't do soil is I think people
wanted Schwarzenegger in the movie. AndI think that that's really it wasn't Danny
Glover's fault that people want to Swartzenegger. I think they looked at us like,
okay, it's not sports Senegger.They didn't know how to take this
movie the way they probably should have. You know, it's like you said,
it's not the same movie. Theydidn't go out and let let's just

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make because I mean, originally theywanted Sportsenegger. They couldn't get him.
There's a lot of talk whether itwas pay I think it was really because
he would It was it was eitherthis or Terminator too. And you know,
James Cameron threw a whole bunch ofmoney at him, and they said,
okay, we'll do Terminator two.Terminator too is the wiser investment exactly.
It worked out better for him forsure. But you're right, like,
this movie is not this movie withoutDanny Glover in the lead, and

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and he makes the movie. Andthen all the other characters around him,
including the Predator, right, whichwe get more Predator in this movie than
we did in the previous movie.But the fact that it's Danny Glover is
the the sun around which everything elserotates makes this movie go. It also
smooths something over in the sense thatall the gangs in the movie, uh,

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you know minority races in the film, right, so you know it's
Cubans or it's Jamaicans or whatever.It's all people of color and minority races.
Right. If you had a dirtyHarry type, a white Clint Eastwood
type, just carving up swathes ofyou know, dark skinned people, it

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would have looked, you know,it would have been ridiculous. I mean,
it just would have been racist onnot even subconsciously. It just would
have been like, oh, look, it comes whitey cop killing a bunch
of you know, people of color, whatever, And it just would I
don't know that you would have goneaway with it, not that That's why
I'm saying Danny Glover got the role. I know they went out to other
white I'm sure they weren't even thinkingabout that. I'm just saying that with

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hindsight, it makes it a littleslightly little easier that it's Danny Glover.
And then of course his team isquite diverse as well, whereas interestingly enough,
the villains of the piece the Runby Gary Busey are all very white

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and very uniform and like, youknow, so on. So it it
actually by putting Gover in that role, and by giving him a diverse team
of you know, comedy sticks tobe next to him, it helps the
movie immeasurably, I think, withhindsight, and allows you to also get

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your Beaucy being baucy and doing hisbucy stuff, right, yes, exactly.
Or because I mean Adam Baldwin isthe whitest of white guys, right,
I mean, I mean, I'mtrying to think of a whiter white
guy. He's the secondly successful ofthe Baldwin brothers, even though he's not
a Balden brother, right exactly.Yeah, And it's like he's here doing

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his his whitest that he can do, right, but you know it's really
bringing the white right, that's whathe's doing in this movie. And I
mean like Bill Paxon of course alsoin a similar you know, similar bane
kind of you know, being thekind of crazy, you know, off
the wall character. But yeah,he's fucking annoying for the first half of
this movie. God, I wantto slap him. Well, that's the

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other thing too, that was likethat is one of the interesting things about
these movies that I will say that, like, this was a thing in
the eighties going into the nineties thatI didn't understand, was like, why
do we have these characters that areannoying even if they redeem themselves later,
right that Bill Paxon redeems himself later. I mean, yes, usually have

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the annoying characters. You want tosee them get killed and it's like there's
an applause scene or something like that, you know, or like like you
know, Gary Busey decking John youknow, John McGinley and point break,
you know. But yeah, itwas one of those things that these movies
that it's one of the things Ithink about eighties movies and this is technically
an eighties movie came out nineteen ninety. But it's the same idea, you
know that those movies that I thinkwas an issue that like, you know,

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I think they could have, youknow, like that could have been
mitigated better. I think, youknow, you just had too many of
those kinds. Every movie seems likethey had to have one of those characters.
Yeah, definitely, but he doesredeem himself, and he is Bill
Paxton, and you sort of kindof always have to in these ensemble action
pieces kind of go, well,there's going to be one annoying guy,

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you know what I mean? ExactlyAgain, the only movie I can think
of, whether it isn't even thoughthey're all sort of dumb bell comedy sidekicks
to Tommedy Jones, is a Fugitivewhere every single one of that team,
even if they're the dumbbell comedy sidekick, they're not annoying, you know what
I mean. They're all you tohang with any one of them and it'd

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be fine. The other thing thatI love about Predator too is that a
few things, but one of themis the way it's made. And I
always try and I try and explainthis because so we watch a ton of
action films and and most people watcha ton of blockbuster movies, right,

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and so throughout that you recognize certaincliches, certain like cookie cutter modes that
the Hollywood is doing or whatever itis, right, and when do you
recognize those? On the old podcastwith John Wallace or even Jim Wallace,
we would often talk about the likecigar chomping executive, right, whether it's

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on exploitation movies or whether it's onHollywood movies. There's the idea that the
you know, larger, greasier,cigar chomping I need to see a tit
every ten minutes. You know thatguy, right, You have him in
your head, going like, whydidn't the building explode? Blow up the

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building? You know what I mean? Just the fucking the gelatine id of
masculinity, just pulsating away smoking acigar, being like I want bulbs and
bombs, you know what I mean, Bob shit up or show me some
titties. You know that person,right, we have in our head and
we would always talk about this,like cigar chumping executive. But most of

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the time you were exaggerating for comedyeffect because the movie you just watched features
instead of mildly ridiculous action ye.Predator Too is like that cigar chomping executive
made flesh and was a genuine executivewho was just like I want a guy

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play alive or a building on fireevery thirty seconds, you know what I
mean. If there isn't a fuckingurban guy being gunned down by another urban
guy like I'm not if there aren'tcars fucking flipping and exploding, the whole
movie, the whole movie is thecigar chomping exec being like, we haven't

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seen the alien in five minute,Give me the fucking alien. Where the
fucking alien, he's not invisible,take his masscuff. I want to see.
It was fucking teeth, you know, like it's it's the whole movie
is of that level. And what'sincredible is that Danny Glover in his performance
reaches the level of the comedic,unrealistic cigar chumping executive, but he steps

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up to that level and plays thewhole movie that way, which is so
beautiful, Like it's so it's sobeautiful to see something just so ridiculous.
Because I'm not about to stand hereand say that the dialogue and the acting
and Predator Too is good. Itisn't. It's baffling. The guy who
plays the police chief in Lethan Weapon, who I always thought, sorry,

(01:44:44):
not Rabert Daddy, the grayhaired guywho's the Shouty Riggs murta police chief who
looks like Richard Donna, but it'snot Richard Donna, even though I always
think it's Richard Donna doing a cameo. But it's not Richard Donna. But
he's always in Richard Donna movies,like he's even in Conspiracy Theory. He's
in like a ton of Richard Donovan. That guy. There's a bit at

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the beginning where him, Danny Gloverand Danny Glover's psidekick who wears the hat
and who gets killed later in themovie, who's also kind of annoying.
To be honest, he wears likethe sunglasses as well, which is really
stupid. Those three are like underheavy artillery file like they are just being

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machine gun to death, and they'relike crawling along this wall while the guy
from the Shouty Rigs Myrtile Boss willLeath the Weapon is explaining long strings of
exposition and whatever. You're like,if I was in this wall zone,
I wouldn't be like and another thingyou need to know about this, right,

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No, just run away, andDanny Glover's like, let me just
rip the door off my car andlike a, you know, like I
don't need to know all this.I'm ready to just like smash out of
here or whatever. And then hecovers his car and fucking bullet proofsts and
just drives it. I mean,his even his like his entrance into the

(01:46:14):
movie, it's like we already havethis pitch battle where like Maria Conchott,
everybody's like that, and we're like, okay, where's our hero, you
know, And all of a suddenhe comes Danny Glover flying through in this
like old Crown Victoria, just likesmashing through things, and he's like the
most killing pedestrians exactly. It's likethe best way that he could come into
the movie. It's almost what Prenduturetwo is. This is this is what

(01:46:38):
I'm saying. Prenduce two is sogood. It's so good. The beginning
of the movie is like another movieis ending and we're watching another movie end.
But then it doesn't end. Itjust keeps getting bigger and whacky.
And with the movie, plus theother to be said about Predator too,

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it leans into the gore man,I mean, I know there's probably the
first one, but like you seefucking skulls being rinsed off and bodies played
alive and fucking blood drop it it'sit's it's a horror movie. Like yeah,
for all of its action uh youknow, and all of its action
beats and action cliches and sweaty actionnonsense, you know, underneath it it's

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this sort of monster horror, gorealien movie, and it's wonderful like the
way those those two genres like playtogether and they do not shy away from
the the viscera at all in thisfilm. No. Well, because the
thing is is that, like Ithink it's the thing you know, we
were talking about like with the uhyou know, like with the horror element,

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right, Like the first movie doesthis really great job of marrying horror
and action right and then also withthe the the alien invasion idea, where
you usually the alien invasion idea isthat the aliens are coming to conquer us,
and this predator, this this youknow, this being is not there
to conquer us. It's there tojust hunt us, the way someone would

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go into the African bush and tryto shoot a lion or something and this
movie is sort of Rambo First Bloodrather kind of flipped on its head.
So instead of many people hunting,you know, Rambo the hero, it's
many people hunting or being hunted bythe predator the villain. But it's basically

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the first one is very Rambo esque. Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, yeah. And this movie, it's almost like they take all those
concepts from that movie and just blowthem up. And I mean I was
reading what some of the ideas likethat they came like the scene where the
Jamaican cartel attacks the head of theColombian cartel with his girlfriend with a girlfriend's

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naked and they're having sex and thenthey string him upside down. Originally that
was supposed to be that guy wasjust hanging out by himself and they come
and get him Blo Pen and Bushin the movie. Well I've completely forgotten
that, yes, yeah, AndI mean they had to edit this thing
down, like like that cigar chompingguy who's like wanting more and more.
They actually had to edit it downto get it so it was an NC
seventeen, you know, and theybut I wanted my titties. I got

(01:49:14):
my titties and in an R ratedmovie. I'm happy about that. I
even wrot some Bush who got Bushand an R rated movie? Me this
guy, buy me another four houses. It's like this. The car guy
is reading, like reading the scriptand being like, oh, so he's
just sitting at home by himself.Why isn't he just getting fucked by his
girlfriend? That's when they attack himin Okay, yeah, okay, well
we could do that. That's fine. Let's stay it upside down with his

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bad buttocks right in the camera exactly. I want to see it. I
want to see man pain. Yeah, and then like they rip his heart
out, which I think they cutsome of that out to make it and
make it below NC seventeen. Becausethe idea was supposed to be that that
guy survives because he's unarmed and thepredator doesn't kill him. While he's hanging
upside down, they're like, youknow, the girl, the naked girlfriend's

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the one who survives. That's theone that tells the story. Yeah,
And so it's like that kind ofthing, that kind of energy in this
movie where it's like, Okay,let's write a basic scene and then what
can we layer on top of itto make it bonkers, and it's it's
it's funny because and it's probably becausethey share stunt people or something like that.
But I'm watching IMDb. I've gotIMDb Predator two open, and I

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don't know if you've seen this now, but on IMDb it not only plays
videos related to the movie, butif there's Danny Glover trailers or if there's
other trailers, it'll play. Soas i've been sitting here talking with you,
it's been rifling through trailers. Veryinterestingly. The trailer it's playing right
now probably because the Robert Daby connectionor maybe the as I say, they

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shared stunt man or whatever is ManiacCop two, because Maniac Cop two is
obviously a very early Spirrius Resultus movie. Yea. And what's interesting about this,
and one of the points I wantedto make about Predator too, is
it's very rare in horror, mainlybecause a lot of horror is be a
low budget to get what we callurban horror shot actually on city streets.

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And what's interesting about them playing ManiacCup two is, although before I thought
about the rober Dairry connection, whichis probably why it's playing, the connection
I made was there's one of thereasons why I love the Maniac Cop franchise
is their urban horror, their citybased horror. And sure he filmed some
in LA and some in New Jerseyand some like he faked New York in

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various different ways, and he filmedsome in New York. But you know
what is the big criticism that alwaysbefalls from the thirteenth Part eight. It's
always like, well, Jason doesn'tget to Manhattan until the last act of
the movie. Well, when yousee a movie that is a horror movie
or an action movie, or ahorror action movie, like Maniac Cop two
is very action heavy. I mean, yes, it's horror, but it's

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very action heavy. When you seesomething like that done in the city rather
than you know, on controllable roadsout and the sticks in Nowheresville, you
know what I mean, or inBulgaria or up in Canada or whatever where
they don't care about the roads,or the Hollywood studios don't care about the
roads. I mean, when youactually see something that you know was filmed

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like on those streets, like thiswas really filmed in downtown l A and
stuff. It just and there's amonster running around and like playing people and
stuff. It really adds something.It's why I know a lot of people
are critical of Scream six or whatever, and I don't really know why.
It's why I liked Scream six overScream five because it took place in the
city and I missed I missed Slashersin the city. I missed monsters in

(01:52:36):
the city. You know. Icue the Winged Serpent and one of my
favorites, Maniac Cop is one ofmy like I like shit, I like
stuff. A lot of the movies, whether it's Shakedown or Taxi Driver or
Main Streets or whatever. A lotof the movies that I love from the
late seventies early eighties are more todo with the way they filmed New York

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because they really filmed New York thannecessarily always the storyline. So, you
know, I miss urban horror andurban action. And it was really nice
to see the Fast and Furious franchisego to New York City and do like
a New York City sequence. It'snice to have the Ghostbusters back in New
York only because I miss the likecity on camera. I really do.

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We don't get a lot of citymovies now unless there's small, little rom
com set in Brooklyn or whatever,and it's nice to see, you know,
even with the Godzilla cong movie comingout, like it's nice to see
Godzilla and calm fucking destroying San Franciscoin the last one. Like that was
fun. I want to see moreof that shit. We don't see enough

(01:53:39):
of it. So Predator too,the fact that it was you know,
and they did that thing where they'relike, well, the Predator has this
like little nests, so he alwaysreturns to the same building. So it
wasn't like they were running around theentire city. But the fact that there
was some of those scenes with themup on the roofs and him having the
verdigo and all that, it justsuch a nice touch, you know what
I mean, really added, Ithink to the whole film. Yeah,

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and I agree with you. Imean, like one of the things that
I kind of got tired with theMarvel moves because I kind of was doing
you know, Phase one and Phasetwo back to back, was it's just
like, okay, you know,just here's the Hulk in th wor Hulk
and Iron Man destroying New York ordestroying another city, and it's just like
destroying all the buildings and having thislike you know this movie, it's it's.
Yes, there's some buildings that aregetting like at least withinside them.

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They're being you know, the predatorslike smashing walls and things like that,
but it's not like they're just completelytoppling every building and all that stuff.
It's like, you know, theenvironment is there. The other thing too,
like you know, when you readabout some of the trivia, I
mean, these were some bad partsof l A. I thin guess apparently
the gang the Crips were like doingsecurity for them. They found a dead
body in in the back alley sequence, like so, I mean that's like

(01:54:46):
real, real hardcore stuff. ButI think one of the things nowadays is
I think, you know, likethey wanted to do this in New York
originally and it was too expensive,and LA kept the costs down. I
wonder if now LA is even moreexpensive, like do it? Uh?
Die Hard with a Vengeance is anotherone I would add to that because they
filmed really in New York and it'sfucking fantastic. Yes, like movies that

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a genre, movies that are setin New York or in cities or whatever.
I'm always very impressed with. Ijust I always really like that,
Yeah, New York is because everybodytalks about how New York is its own
character in the movie. But itreally comes through right when when you see
you know, like you said,like like the Diehard with a Vengeance or
you know, it's it's amazing inLa. It's interest because we think of

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La as being a different kind ofcharacter, but this movie brings in La
that like it's not like all glamourand palm trees and all of that stuff.
It's you know, it's a grittyplace and but it works. Like
you said, it's like, Imean, you know, the idea of
setting the Predator in an urban environmentbecause it's like, we don't want to
make the same movie we made beforeHe's in the jungle. It's like and

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like you said, like this wouldn'thave worked as well if they had filmed
in Vancouver and called it La.You know, the fact that it's in
La gives it that vibe that itgives it exactly what they were looking for
with this wait, and it's thereason why when we when we look back
at you know, one of thereasons why when I look back at like
a clicking house movie or a LarryCohen movie or a Bill Lusting movie,
all of whom gorilla style cheated,you know, vast action sequences and shots

(01:56:18):
and all sorts of stuff you knowin Black Caesar, like them driving that
cab up onto the sidewalk in NewYork, or him even walking around having
been shot in the gut bleeding.All of that was stolen footage, like
no one knew, no one hadany permits. I mean, Larry Cohen,
this is absolutely perfect. But LarryCohen got away with filming a gunfight

(01:56:42):
with people dressed in police uniforms atthe Saint Patrick's Day Parade. How the
fuck in New York City with fuckinga thousand hardened Irish and Italian cops marching
down fucking Broadway, and Larry Cohen'sjust like, oh, don't worry,
grab a pistol and run about firinga cap gun in the middle. I
mean, nowadays, can you imagineoh yeah, no, but no so

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that there's something of a thrill toit, Like when you watch Sam Elliott
and Weller in Shakedown drive down fortysecond Street and a motorbike and sidecar,
You're just like, that's fine.I don't like more of that whatever that
is, it's just exciting. Iwant more of that. And Predator,
too, has so many of thosemoments where I was just like, yes,

(01:57:26):
more of this, please, Thisis fantastic, you know what I
mean, whether it's flipping cars oryou know, bodies hanging from various things,
or you know, rooftop chases,you know all that stuff. I
mean, just I missed so much. This is a subway, right,
all the subway secret Yeah, Imean that's fantastic because one of the things
I didn't realize initially, I thoughtbecause it looked like they had given a

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thank you to the BART system,I guess when I was reading the credits.
But I think I just read itbecause it's actually because you know,
the LA Subway system hadn't been wasn'tin, It wasn't actuals had driven a
train through the opening out on HollywoodBoulevard at the end of speed which,
by the way, there's no subwayon Hollywood Bulevard but right right, exactly.

(01:58:10):
Yeah, But so I guess theyhad to create like their own version
of a subway to do the scene. But I always love a good subway
sequence. I just think it's oneof the best sequences. I mean,
my god, that is so welldone. And it's one of those things
nowadays where they were like, wellthere's too many strobe lights. You wouldn't
be able to do that now,it would, you know, send epileptics
running from the cinema. Like,how many epileptics have you actually met?

(01:58:31):
I met one in my whole fortyfour years of existence. I met one
epileptic and that's probably you probably notmet any, have you one? And
she one and a half actually becauseshe's dead. No, my friend's wife
actually was misdiagnosed as epileptic when shewas growing up in Candidates. That's the
hof So she's the half. Andthen a girl I went to school with.

(01:58:53):
I remember she because her and anotherfriend she wasn't allowed to play Nintendo
because you know, she was epileptic. So what she would do as her
friend had the Nintendo and she wouldgo over there and play in her friend's
house. Now tell her mom.And she seemed to do okay. It
didn't seem like she had any problems. But that was she killed those three
men that night at a bar inToledo. But apart from that, she's
been doing very well and good forher. She beat the drink, she

(01:59:16):
beat the drugs, but not theepilepsy weirdly anyway. But no, the
subway train sequence is fucking phenomenal,fantastic. I mean, there really isn't
a bad sequence in the movie.I get that. The you know,
the dialogue is cheese balls like Marieand Coccino Alonzo running around being like fucking

(01:59:39):
no nonsense, you know, swearingand fucking whatever. It's just kind of
it's one. I mean, don'tget me wrong. It's wonderful to see
like obviously a Hispanic woman like inan action role and all the rest of
it, and blah blah blah blahblah. That's fantastic. I'm not attacking
that. I just mean that heracting chops are not the kind of acting
chops where you flat out believe sheis she she's not. You know,

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there were some actresses who can reallymake you believe in some some whokan Because
it's not an even playing field,you know what I mean, Casualties will
be had. I don't want totalk about acceptable losses, but there are.
It's just a great movie. Iwas so excited when like I put

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it on and within five minutes.I was, Oh, this is I
want why are they not eighty fiveof these films in this style? Yeah,
it's it's it's amazing, like onelike the fact that, like you
said, it's even better now beingolder watching it. But it's never yeah,
like I like one of the thingsI think I liked about Pray was

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that it felt like the perfect thirdmovie. But these two, but these
two, the first and second movie, Like you just don't always get this
kind of I mean, like itwas either like one or one or the
others like way better or something likeyou know, like like one is like
even with Ghostbuster, you can say, Okay, the first Ghostbuster was was
probably better than the second one,but the second one is still good enough.
But like, this is such aunique situation where you've got to sort

(02:01:08):
of I want to say equally goodmovies that they're just good on completely different
merits, to like make a secondmovie and make it in this like it's
not different in the sense it's boththey're both action movies, but like they're
you like them on a different Idon't I don't know how to splin them
after ever kind of No, No, I know exactly what you mean.
And the Ghostbusters one and two comparisonis pretty similar. You also have to

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remember that the first film has thebenefit of being iconic, right, So,
you know, the first time peoplesaw a ghost logo, you know,
on an old ambulance, hearst trolleycar, whatever that is. You
know, when people first saw that, they were like, oh, and

(02:01:51):
they heard that music and whatever,because it matched an image with an icon
with a soundtrack, and it inthat packaging right there. And Dan Alkoyd
back in the day was great inpackaging, whether it's you know, a
pair of sunglasses and a black trillbe hat on a blue background, or

(02:02:12):
whether it's a white ghost through ayou know, no ghost sign. He's
he was just the king of logos. And when you uh, when you
think about that and you mix itwith the music that you intrinsically hear with
each of those logos, of course, it's going to bring a lump in
the throat, goosebumps, hair onthe back of your neck, call it
whatever you will. It's going todo that the first time you see it.

(02:02:34):
And it's going to be very veryhard with any sequel to recreate that,
right. The only thing a sequelcan hope to do is keep you
interested. And for my money,I want a sequel to keep me interested
by being as entertaining as fuck,by taking whatever the stuff that we loved

(02:02:55):
about the first one, keeping itenough, but then adding all the other
elements that just ramp up the excitementand the insanity of it. And you
know all, I feel like allthe best sequels do that. But I
also feel like all the best sequelstake longer to find their audience. I
think that you know, ghost Postersto Escape from La even Evil Dead too,

(02:03:20):
and I mean, look at theNightmare on Elm Street, to the
fact that that's found its voice,you know what I mean, they're for
a vast way that people Aliens isa better movie than Alien and so on
and so forth, you know,But I just think it takes time.
I also think that we're sort ofnot used to anymore kind of we're so

(02:03:44):
you know, rebooted, remaked andresold out that when you see a legitimate
sequel, you sort of get throwna bit because you're like, well,
wait a minute, it's not aremake and it's not a reboot, and
they're not trying to be meta,and they're not you know, what I
mean, like they're not trying tolike with what they're trying to do is

(02:04:06):
what the cigar jumping executives used toalways do, which is like, all
right, we've seen him in ajungle, Now I want to see him
running across the rooftops of America,you know what I mean, and just
that sort of leap where you go, like, I get out of the
fucking job. I watched enough Naturedocumentary, so I want to watch fucking

(02:04:27):
urban decay and fucking and then havingimagine urban decay with the predator jumping over
you go. That's fucking brilliant.And there aren't enough people doing that these
days, you know what I mean. They aren't except the Fast and Furious
franchise. Vin Diesel is his owncigar jumping executive. That's the thing about

(02:04:47):
Vin Diesel. I think it's it'ssuch a fascinating thing, right that Vin
Diesel has created this franchise out ofnothing, right that like, you know,
when it went from you know,Fast and Furious Part four to number
five, and then from five tosix, and suddenly with number six they're
making a billion dollars you know,or seven they're you know, and and
it was. It's such a fascinatingthing that like all the studios, right

(02:05:11):
they you know, because this iswhat Universal does, fast and furious,
and they all could have looked atthat and said, hey, I wonder
you know, one it's a verydiverse cast, right and and there's not
like there's not a sense that there'spandering or anything like that going on with
the diverse cast or like that they'reshoe warning anything in or trying to do
anything. It just is right.But it's great that it is. It's

(02:05:31):
it's a really great piece of itthat it is. You know, like
you said, he's he doesn't havethis connected universe. When they did the
Hobbs and Shaw movie, Vin Dieselwasn't happy about it. The blood of
the other cast wasn't happy about it. They wanted to just keep building this
one series up and they just kindof went for it. But I guess
that's the problem, right, isthat it's hard to just create something and
just keep building it. I meanwith this Predator movie, it's like,

(02:05:53):
I don't know, I think therewas like a combination of like they didn't
like the turnout, there was likean idea of wanting to do editor versus
Alien earlier and stuck in development.Hell, you know, all those kinds
of things that made it so wedidn't get another Predator movie for like fifteen
years. But I think the problemwith the fifteen the gap thing is that

(02:06:13):
I then mentally, rightly or wrongly, draw a line. I go,
there's Predator and Predator too, andthat's that franchise, right, and then
there's like Robert Rodriguez's Predators, andthen Hulu's Prey and has that been another
one? So they're making so they'reworking on another Prey. I just doo
miss out so that the people thatmade Pray, they're going to make something

(02:06:35):
called bad Lands. It's in developmentnow, like it's starting twenty twenty four,
so hopefully for next year they'll haveit. Hopefully they'll be I guess
it'll probably be straight to Hulu.I think that's what Disney's going to do
with these. But yeah, Ithink that That's what I've liked about the
Godzilla com movies that are coming out, and I you know, I know

(02:06:55):
that it has the detractors, butI actually really love those movies. They're
totally ridiculous. I will tell Iwill say that like the human people in
it, I have no interest in. But when Kong and Godzilla start tearing
apart a city, or jumping fromship to ship in the middle of the

(02:07:15):
Atlantic or whatever, or just generallyfighting each other or shooting large atomic blue
lasers out of their mouths or whatever, I'm thrilled and entertained because someone in
the production of those movies has rememberedthat these things are movies and not fucking
you know, Christopher Nolan's statements ofyou know, deep intent. They are

(02:07:41):
just entertaining, exciting movies. AndI think what's nice about going back and
watching a movie like Predator too isthat you remind yourself, Oh yeah,
it can be. It can befun, it can be silly, it
can be graphic, it can beextreme, it can be ridiculous. You
know, it can be Movies canbe all things, and they don't need

(02:08:03):
to be, you know. Andthere are some genres that hold that very
well. And I think that actionmovies and horror movies hold other genres and
other themes and other things very welltogether. And we have some comments and
things about this as well, Ibelieve, on Facebook. But do you

(02:08:26):
have any other points you want?No, I have one of the exact
same thing, because you know,I'm watching like those Marvel movies, watching
a lot of newer movies, andI think I forget that I need to
sometimes come back to these movies andremind myself of why I love them,
why these movies really work for me. Like the Marvel movies, they can
be good, you know, theycan be very agrees of good for me.

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But like none of the Marvel movie, like and It look, the
six or twelve, you know,Phase one and Phase two movies, none
of them kind of give me thekind of feeling that this movie gives me,
Like they don't, like I noneof them work for me on the
level of this movie or the firstpreador work. They're all slightly more straight
faced, even the weird ones,even though James Gunn and Tiker Watiti ones

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that are more heavily comedic or weird, they're sort of knowingly comedic and weird,
Like they go, oh, lookhow comedic and weird we're being.
And I don't mind that. I'mnot criticizing it. This movie is not.
This movie has no intention of beinga comedy because it's too busy being
the loudest, sweatiest swarest nakedness,glorious action movie. It can be,

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and if some comedy comes out ofthat, great like the bit where the
predator comes into the old people's bathroom, yea, and it is in the
bathroom, like smashing up the bathroomand the woman comes out with the broom
perfect. That's it's It's like RomanEmeric and like Dean Devlin, those guys

(02:09:58):
are or Jerry Brokremer. Those guysknow that in the midst of a bombastic,
dialed up to eleven action movie thatyou can place two or three little
bits of like weird comedy, whetherit's whether it's Steve Buschemy singing with the
little girl in Connair or whether it'sJohn Cusack pissing off the Irish guy's name

(02:10:22):
I can't think of right now,by taking his car, whatever it is.
They know, like put a littlebit in there, that's fine,
but then the rest of the moviehas to be done. Dun dunda dun
dunda dune done like at this levelthe whole fucking time. Right. Uh,
you know the rock you need thebit with mind Stanley goodspeed, but

(02:10:43):
of course you are like you needyou need the nick cage. Sean Connery
sparring. But then you also needEd Harris like waving a flag and being
like blow everybody up round, likeyou need this constant thing, and so,
you know, and they can theycan push it too far. Let's
not forget. The James Bond franchisehas included a amphibious gondola where a double

(02:11:09):
taking pigeon, so as Roger Mooredrives a amphibious chitty Chitty bang bang style
gondola through the squares of Venice.Uh, there is a pigeon that they
edit so that it looks like thepigeon goes what and like squawks and does
a double tank right, yes?Or or when when he he gets a

(02:11:35):
blade off of whatever it wasn't inview to a kill where he's essentially mountain
the beachway. Yeah, yeah,that's right, that's what it was.
Yeah, I mean this movie,I mean that scene when the when the
predator like starts storming out of theold of the you know, the old
couple's apartments. He's like smashing throughit and Danny Glover comes through and he's
like I'm a police officer and shegoes, I don't think he cares.

(02:11:58):
It's like the best. I justlove the idea of like the predator frustrated
in a small like a pop andbathroom guess right. Well, And the
other thing too, is like he'sfrustrated and he's like trying to fix himself
up, and he's already like annoyedthat like he almost is like when he

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sees Danny Glover coming down the pipe. It's kind of funny that both of
them the way that they see becauseyou know with that scene where Danny Glover's
freaking becuse he's gonna climb, sothat whole sequence, right, Daddy Glover
has to climb down a pipe andthen climb across a pipe. I'm like,
what is this? It's mad,right, And it's like he sees
the punisher fixing himself up through thehole in the building that the punishers forced
himself through, and he's like,oh, geez, I gotta go.

(02:12:43):
Because like the funny thing is mostof usould be like, Okay, the
predator is there, I'm just gonnago keep going down and get away from
him, right, But Danny Glover'slike, well, I'm a police officer.
I gotta stop the predator. Sohe's gotta climb onto another pole,
whereas like the predator looks and he'slike this guy won't stop. It is
like like I'm I'm getting out ofhere. I'm done, you know.
And yeah, and of course somuch, and like the way he just

(02:13:03):
like comvasomely like runs through doors andwalls and stuff. I love that.
But here's what people say. SoDean on Facebook says, is this the
sweatiest movie ever? And I said, it's definitely high up the list,
to which Jake Douglas says, it'sup there with the first Hell Raiser and
body heat. I reckon, ohbody heat, yes, yeah, I
mean, because that's supposed to bethe whole point, right, The predator

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likes to go into air, eventhough Mexico is really cold when they were
shooting there, right, But that'sthe whole year, is that the predator
likes to go to hot and hehas heat vision, his eyes a heat
vision, so when human body temperatureis high, he can hunt us easier.
Yeah, if we're so, ifit's sweaty and shooting, those are

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the two things he's looking for,yes, exactly so. And I always
say heat, I don't know ifthere's they're they're female predators or they just
hang out. Maybe it's like they'relike a food forging culture where the men
of the hunting in the way ofAmerica's hearts. If I told them that
the predator was transgender, all beyondgender, you know what I mean,

(02:14:11):
Because in the end when they allshow up, they all just look like
predators. They don't look like theyWhat I mean is there's not like feminine
predators and male predators or predators witheight titties or something. It's just they
think some of them are the LaLakers because Danny Glover was friends with the
La Lakers and they needed tall peoplefor that scene. And I guess the
other thing too, is I thinkthey've lost all those suits afterwards, like

(02:14:35):
they they yeah, and it's likethey spent all this money to make those
suits for just that one sequence there. And but I think that was the
deals. I think he got playerson the Lakers because they were tall enough
and they stole all the suits.Adam Park says one of the most underrated
movies in my lifetime. I willstrongly agree with that, and he also

(02:14:58):
quotes that I don't think he givesa ship line, which is fantastic Chris
Powell from The Three Black Gigs.He says, oh, man, me
and the guys love this film.Danny, I'm too old for this shit.
Glover was solid as the lead.Also got to love the over the
top drug dealers of this film,from the Colombians to the Jamaicans. I
mean, like you talked about inthat opening scene when like the batties one

(02:15:20):
of the cars, like the Columbiancartile, I think it is they're trying
to just like get up on thisbuilding and they're going through like their their
cocaine packing operation, and they knowthey've got to escape to get away from
the cops, and in their frenzy, they just start like grabbing handfuls of
cocaine and shoving it in their noseswhile they're like pulling their weapons and shooting
it out with the cops. Yeah, it's it's just a joy. Chris

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Powell asked the question, do youfeel in retrospect that the sequel got unfairly
treated back when it came out?And I think we've answered that, but
yes, I do feel it itwas unfairly treated. So Champion Cinema Pod
said, if Predator three had followedand say like nineteen ninety two, who
would you like to have started it? And where would it be set this

(02:16:05):
time? One of my favorite sequelsand still today seems to be written off
by a lot of people. I'vealways assumed it was just because it's Arnie
Less. I watched it with someonerecently who had never seen it before,
and out of nowhere, halfway through, they excitedly declared, this is so
fucking good question. Though, ifa Predator three had followed in, say
nineteen ninety two, who would youlike to have started it? And where

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would it be set this time?Oh that's a good question. Yeah,
okay, so Arnie's still alive,Glover is still alive. You've got to
remind me is Weathers is not alive? Right? Weather's daring in the first
one? Right? Yes, yeah, So but do we bring back any
of the previous characters or do weset it in a whole other place?

(02:16:52):
Like what would obviously where would theFast and Furious go? Right, Fast
and Furious would probably either go toSouth America or they would go to Europe,
right somewhere exotic or maybe maybe becauseof the whole like, uh,
oh, he is a good one. They've they've you do a thing like

(02:17:15):
Predator movie, which is like saidin the Antarctic or something, right,
right, kind of like with AliensVersus Predator. The first one was set
in the Antarctic. Oh okay,so they've already because any of those sequels
Okay, yeah, I mean yeah, any of those follow on directly.
I mean, there's not really amythology to the Predator, no, so
I guess what the Alien versus Predator. The idea with those is that they're

(02:17:37):
sort of like this idea that likein the first Alien versus Presay, I
haven't seen it forever, we probablywatch it again when I do the solo
pod for it. But the ideais that the predators set up the aliens.
They kind of just like let theeggs hatch in a training compound in
and in the Antarctica. They're kindof trained to be predators and it goes
haywire and then one of them,a team of will sonout Lathan to be

(02:18:01):
able to take them out. Well, so when did he say, if
it comes out? So this cameout in nineteen ninety, so he's saying
like ninety two, ninety three somethingin that range. Oh, he's he's
saying two or three years thirty two, Okay, who would we like to
see? Well, I think basedon the first two we go with a
whole new cast. Yeah, andI think that we if we if they've

(02:18:24):
already done Antarctica, well they had, they hadn't at that time ninety three
they hadn't, so it was likefour when they did Antarctica. So yeah,
I would do that, and Iwould do a thing like film with
the with the Predator and with likea few scientific researchers up in Canada or

(02:18:45):
up in Alaska or somewhere. Eitherthat or if we want to continue the
sort of you know, maybe itis that the Predator goes to Europe,
you know what I mean, andmaybe we have one set in London or
one sat in Paris. Yeah,yeah, I mean I like one idea
was thinking. I mean, interms of crossovers, right is if you

(02:19:05):
have if you haven't set in Paris, you have Gerard depper Juris the main
that would be fantastic, Like Jerardedepper Do is this sort of like shambling
drunk on wine, like detective wholike solves murders and suddenly he's just like
yeah, he's like sort of shamblingaround Venice like yeah with with you know,

(02:19:26):
I don't know, I don't like, and they like some like woman
like like Andy McDowell. I knowthat she's in Green Card with him,
but an actress like that who's likethis sort of like bohemian American woman who
just happens. But if we goback in time, here's an idea,
right, the Predator is Jack theRipper. We go back to like Victorian

(02:19:46):
London when like the all like butwhatever, and we have Charlotte Coves versus
the Predator. That would be amazing, my friend and I can the Predator
is basically Jack the Ripper goes aroundlike Taron Hart's That would be amazing.
Benedic Well, because ninety ninety threewouldn't better at cumber Badge. But yeah,
but the fuck coma batch. No, we'd have a pupper active playing.

(02:20:09):
Uh yeah, we'd have we'd havesomeone particularly slazy, like Jeremy Iron
said ninety two. Oh he wouldbe great, yeah, ninety two Jeremy
Are it's like a very sleazy uhuh she comes. Yeah, my friend,
did I keep with this idea wayback when we watch Predator too?
You know, an idea called Magnumversus the Predator, and so it would
it would take place at the turnof the century. So, like,

(02:20:30):
the idea is, is that TeddyRoosevelt, you know, it was a
hunter and it's not Thomas Magnum,It's Tiberius Magnum. But essentially, all
throughout history there is this lineage ofMagnums who hang out with rich people and
live in the guest houses of richpeople. So Tiberia's Magnum is there.
And then the idea is is thata cybernetic Gary Busey from this movie was

(02:20:52):
kind of put back together. Hegoes back in time because in the Presidential
Archives, Teddy Roosevelt describes fighting thepresiador as you know, in a hunting
ex position, and so that's wherethe whole thing, you know, it's
essentially Tiberius Magnum, which would havebeen Tom Sellek in ninety two ninety three.
You know, he's he's fighting thePredator, but you know he's Tiberius
magnetead of Thomas Magnum. I likethe idea of the Predator franchise continuing in

(02:21:18):
a sort of time travel vein,Yeah, so that each movie, you
know, you would have oh,in this case, the predator is Jack
the Ripper or whatever, or youknow, this one is set in Tokyo
or Hong Kong or whatever, andit's essentially like the Ninja, Like the

(02:21:39):
Predator is like a ninja, likea bad evil ninja, and they have
to send like good ninjas after it, you know, headed up by Jackie
Chan or whatever. Like can youimagine? Why is it no one ever
thinks that this ship, you knowwhat I mean. Now, one movie
that I have always loved that itturns out, borrows heavily from this movie

(02:22:03):
is of course, the incredible RuckerHouse Split Second, Yes, which is
basically Predator to except that it's saidin a future, it's said in England.
It's it's not really an alien,it's more like a demon. In
Split Second, he is a serialkiller. So it's very Jack the Ripper

(02:22:24):
esque. It's sort of what I'mtalking about. Like, I guess my
Victorian London predator movie is Split Second, because it's all the London of Split
Second is all sort of underwater anddrab and brick work and whatever, and
you've got a Jack the Ripper stylekiller going around. Yeah. I just
basically ripped off split Second, whichbasically ripped off Predator two, except that

(02:22:48):
I said it in Victoria in London. So but that's that's what I'm saying
though, Like Split Second copied offthe better Predator, yes, do you
know what I mean? Like itdidn't copy off the original Predator. It
was like I want to remake Predatortoo, but in England where a guy
called Dick Durkin and yeah with thechart called Dick Dirkin. It's funny too

(02:23:13):
because you think of Disney having thisbrotherly like Disney had it as an Indiana
Jones movie that comes out last,you know whatever, and it flops,
right, it didn't do anything.Why wasn't it not? You know,
they owned the Predator, They ownedthe rest of the Predator. Why was
it not Indiana Jones versus the Predator? I don't know. I mean that
would have been that would Why isnot every other movie just so and so

(02:23:35):
versus the Predator? Right? Imean somebody mentioned on Twitter they were like,
well, now that disneyls and theyshould be having Ewoks versus the Predator,
which I think would be a fantasticThat's the thing is, whenever they
tried it, like Disney owns allthese ips, they're going to be owning
them all for a reason, right, you know what I mean? Like
New Line when Robert she back inthe day was New Line and he was

(02:23:56):
buying up Eyps. His whole thingwas like, how do I versus Ship?
Like they wanted to do Freddy versusJason years before it got made,
right, because he was desperately tryingto buy up by Peace. He wanted
you know, Ash versus. Didhe own the Predator at any point because
I thought he want like, isn'tthat a versus the Predator? Bok So
yeah, well so, so themovies have always been New Line I know,

(02:24:22):
sorry twentye century Fox the movies,but the comic books were Dark Horse
and they were doing all they did, you know, Batman versus The Predator
they did, you know, theykind of did all those kind of mashups
within the comics, and then youknow, Alien versus Predator kind of Actually
in this movie they used the alienskull based on the Alien versus Predator comic
books, right exactly. Yeah,yeah, so because again Predator two does

(02:24:43):
herald the fact that Aliens, thexenomorph, the big headed Geiger created alien
does exist in the same universe asPredator because of Predator two. That's like
that was the movie that it wasalmost like at the end of Goes to
Hell where Freddy's glove comes up,grabs the mask and pulls it under the

(02:25:05):
sand, You're like, that indicatesthat Freddy exists in the same world as
Jason, even though it would takemany, many years before it would make
the aforementioned Freddy versus Jason. Butlook at Charles Bend. Any chance that
he's had to pit his two ipsagainst each other, isn't it like a
fucking talking bong versus Ginger dead Manmovie? So you puppet man versus Demonic

(02:25:28):
Toy or puppet Master Demonic Toys,right, I mean doll Man versus uh
Demonic toys as well. Yeah,I mean one. That's one thing that
True has never quite done. It'slike they've never had you know, Toxic
Avenger and Sergean kabookie Man in one. Right, They've had it on They've
done it on little skits and stuffright on YouTube, but not in an

(02:25:50):
actual movie. No. And Ithink this is the thing is they always
think that mashups need to be earned, like in the way that mar All
sort of built up to the ideaof a mashup or a join up or
a group thing. They were like, well, we can't just have the
Avengers. We've got to have tenmovies before the Avengers. So the people

(02:26:11):
are like, wait, they're alltogether now, because if people wouldn't understand
and I'm just saying, you cango Predator one, Predator two, and
then Predator three. He's a timetraveling right, you know, Jack the
rip of fighting Shello COB's guy,you know what I mean, or in
Antarctica, or he's you know,fighting in the French Revolution, or he's

(02:26:35):
one of the Nazis or whatever likeyou can have you do Warm Peace with
War, Predator with Predator, GangoKhan. Yeah, I mean, I
love the idea of you know,the next movie being in Detroit and it's
the Predator versus RoboCop, Like thatwould have been you know, like that
would have been the movie, youknow, and of course well Er if

(02:26:56):
you get Weller playing RoboCop, youknow, okay, can we just imagine
Weller playing RoboCop versus a Predator ina post Predator to type elevated action.
Yeah, fucking that would have beenincredible. Would have been amazing. I
mean, I mean, and Imean from a from a blockbuster standpoint.
I mean, the problem now islike they made a reboot robo cop,

(02:27:18):
which I don't know whatever happened withthat, I don't I never even saw
it. But it's like that's whyhe looks like a weird, polished sex
toy, right, yeah, exactlybecause if you Weller is all at this
point that I don't know that heWhat would be great is if if they
did have Weller in it, ifhe just did the voice, right,
so somebody, Yeah, and he'sjust you know he's doing because his voice

(02:27:39):
would still be great as as asrobo cop. But yeah, I mean,
the Predator, there's so many differentthings you can do with I mean,
I think Pray showed, like Ithink it was like the first really
really creative use of the Predator ina long time where they were like,
let's put him in eighteenth century,you know America, where you know colinists
are coming. They didn't quick atthe French colonists, right, they kind
of made them the break colonists,you know, where they were like just

(02:28:01):
destroying everything. That's kind of morewhat the Brits and the Spaniards did the
French kind of wanted to live inharmony with everything. They were a little
different, but the idea exactly thatwas kind of the the ideas like yeah,
it was funny like they showed likethey were they like kind of killed
these buffalo and their skins hanging there, and it's like none of the French
ate the entire thing, like theywhen they killed a bear or something.

(02:28:22):
They ate everything, like they werenot just like let's just you know,
kill it just for the skins,you know. They were Yeah, but
at least it was a unique idea, And I think that's you know,
yeah, I mean Disney is soprotective, I guess of these ips and
they like to vault things. Imean, I think it's the scariest thing
for all of us who like alot of these things. It's like,
you know, they're gonna start vaultingthese characters in Marvels. You know,

(02:28:43):
there's gonna be these Marvel characters thatyou don't see anymore. And I think
it's the few with the Predators nowthat they own it, Like are they
gonna you know, put the moneyin budget behind a good Predator movie when
they kind of feel like they canjust make one Marvel movie a year and
make a billion dollars and call itgood. Right, Yeah, exactly,
Well we'll have to wait and see. Alex Taylor goes on to say,
released in nineteen ninety set in nineteenninety seven, Remember I like the whole

(02:29:07):
twenty minutes into the Future vibe.Yeah, it was. It was good.
There was no like flying cars oranything. It was just it's seven
years later and things are even worsethan they were seven years ago. D
Shaw from The Three Black Gigs says, it's a black movie, no debating.
We kind of talked about that alittle bit at the beginning. It
definitely leans into that, I thinkfor lots of reasons, and I think

(02:29:28):
it also saves the movie in lotsof ways. Matt Street says the scene
on the train is possibly the bestmoment in the entire series and it doesn't
even feature the lead actor. Yeah, well that's true too, right,
it's packs and compete all on.So, and I mean what's great about
it is I mean I always lovea good subway scene anyway, that's just,

(02:29:48):
you know, just one of myfavorite things. But it's just that
ideal of like the Predators just kindof hanging out and then all of a
sudden, everyone's pulling guns on eachother, you know, on the train,
and the players like, oh,it sounds like a part already.
I'm gonna, you know, getinvolved here. And yeah, and I
mean and also you get the redemptionof Bill Paxson, you know. And
I was reading that they were tryingto get him as a cameo for the

(02:30:11):
second Alien Versus Predator movie because thatwould have right, because he was in
the second Alien movie, the secondPredator movie. So they thought it would
be kind of funny to have himas a small part in the second Alien
Versus Predator. But I guess somethinghappened with that that he wasn't able to
do it. That's a shame,because that would have been cool. He
would have been what the in thesecond movie of Every Friendship exactly, Yeah,
So they would have been a coolidea. Yeah, although he's interminated

(02:30:33):
one, he's not interminated two exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,
yeah, this, I'm glad thateverybody in the comments, you know,
I mean, obviously, I meanI can. I mean, people make
comments all the time about movies,so I wouldn't have been so surprised if
somebody was like those movie sucks,you shouldn't be talking about it, you
know, or whatever. But itis good to see a lot of people

(02:30:54):
just being like, I love thismovie too, Like this is you know
that it seems like enough people reallyenjoyed this movie. Yeah, No,
definitely, And that's what I loveabout it. Yeah, is that,
like you say, like people genuinelyenjoyed this movie. It was. It
was genuinely something that people were excitedabout. And I felt that same way,
like I have a I remember whenI first saw Army of Darkness,

(02:31:18):
and I remember thinking to myself,Man, I wish all movies were written
this way, because I loved theIt was. It was like you taking
a wise cracking John Wayne style character, or a you know, a leading
action man of the fifties or sixties, full of swagger and braggadocio, and

(02:31:39):
plopping him into this sort of weirdaction horror hybrid. And I always remember
thinking like, ah, man,I wish there was more scripts that had
this sort of ridiculous one liner,one upmanship kind of nonsense. And then
years later seeing Cobra, which weadleywas one of the last alone movies I
actually saw was was Cobra. Imean, you know, I'm still saw

(02:32:00):
it like twenty years ago whatever,but like it was one of them,
was one of the last that Ihad seen in a while. And I
remember that line at the beginning wherehe's like, man, I'm gonna blow
this old fucking supermarket up, buthe just goes do it. I don't
shop here. I was just like, there it is. That's the kind
of line I like, Like,who writes lines like that, you know
what I mean? And so likethat's what I loved about. Like what's

(02:32:24):
funny about Predator two is all theaction and the shouting and the running around
or whatever is at that level,and it compensates for the fact that the
dialogue is so clunky because they're reallyunfortunately is not a I don't shop here
moment in Predator two, and theyprobably should be, you know, a
line of dialogue that makes you butthe fact that the dialogue is so clunky

(02:32:46):
and so over the top in itsintention. You know, there's a lot
of those scenes where where you know, I think there's like three scenes in
a in a police station where they'rechewing glovers at like you know, you're
how way tactics weren't lost anymore becauseof fucking uh you know, uh Beaucy
shown up, so you know,don't think you can go around doing a

(02:33:09):
thing and Gloves just like get outof my way. I'm doing my thing.
And and I fucking love ship likethat. Like split Second is full
of stuff like that, where it'sjust like give a ship. I love
that. It just that's That's oneof my favorite things about Predators, too,
is all those scenes where he's justlike all right in my ass and
he walks out the office and youknow whatever. That's that. Those are

(02:33:31):
my favorite. If there's any memorablekind of dialogue moments, it's it's in
those scenes where they're like just chewingGlover's uh so, and Glovers just waits
for his moment and it's just like, whatever, you have a bunch of
assholes, And well there's a greatline, my my favorite lines at the
very end right where he he's justkill this punished and this is predator.

(02:33:54):
And now all the predators show upand they're all surrounding him and he's like,
oh my god, and he dropsthe blade and he just goes all
right, who's next, you know, And of course, they're just like,
this is not what we do,you know, this is not not
how we get down like you know. But the other thing too that I
love about that scene is they throwthem the gun, but also in a

(02:34:15):
very predator style thing, they're justlike we're leaving and it's like, you
know, like, oh, Igotta get off this ship, like I
gotta run. Like they don't careif I stay on the ship or not.
They're just leaving. They are avery predator like that. They're just
gonna forget Dinny GM has to runaway from a spaceship at the end of
this movie exactly, it comes outlike covet and shot right, and then

(02:34:35):
oh, you're making me remember,and then the guys come down with the
helicopter or whatever, and he's justlike for he's just like fuck you or
whatever. Like Adam baldinsarts giving hima hard time because you know, he's
Adam Baldwin and we were this closeto being able to catch her a predator,
right, and he's like, doyou know what I just went through?
Right, You're not capturing a predator? Like you're just like yeah,

(02:34:56):
you know, it's like yeah,but yeah, He's like you're like them,
and then just like, but Ithink it's it is really important that
he triumphs over essentially a uniformed bandof whitey goons spricing exactly. Yes,
yeah, I mean, I meanthe time that they all wear based chinos
and blue puffer jackets is just fuckingperfect. Yes, yeah, you know.

(02:35:18):
I mean, it's like the it'slike the school yard rapist ideal.
Look, you know what I mean. Well, what I love too is
that idea of like, Okay,the predator can only see can't see our
heat if we wear these these theseoutfits and Danny Glover's watching them from the
camera and he's like, you morons, the lights have heat, and he
can see the heat coming from thelights. Yeah, and he sees you

(02:35:41):
and he's like, guys, getout of there. You can see you.
And they're like no, no,no, we're doing this. We
don't care, you know. Andand I love how his reaction isn't like,
Okay, well you're gonna get killedby the predator. He's like,
I'm going to beat up the peoplein this trailer with me, grab a
shotgun out of my trunk and goin and try to fight the predator myself.
Oh, Yeah, there's this wholesequence while the Predator is like systematically

(02:36:03):
tearing Gary Busey's entire team in half, where Danny Glover is cumbersomely and slowly
like suiting up for action. Andwhat's weird about it actually is that And
this is where Split Second gets itright, because it's like, we're gonna
need a lot more fucking guns.That's what it says in Split Second,
right when he goes into the armoryand they just start loading up with weapons.

(02:36:28):
In this one, Danny Glover isjust like strapping a few things and
he just has like a shotgun anda side arm or whatever. And I
really thought that, considering how enormousand bombastic and ridiculous the Predator was,
he should have had a grenade launcherand a fucking rocket launcher and a bazooka,
and he should have had like fifteenenormous weapons on his back. He

(02:36:52):
should have had two machetes crossed acrosshis chest. He should you know what
I mean, Like he should havehad it like a bullet belt. Yeah.
But I think the reason why theydidn't do that was because that was
like the whole the mercenaries in theprevious movie where they've got like the big
MENI gun and they're like, no, no, we want it. It's
almost like a we want Dirty Harrybut you know, but Daddy Glover,

(02:37:13):
we want Murta against the predators whatwe want. Yeah, And so it's
fascinating. It's like it's almost likethe big deal that he's getting a shotgun
instead of his normal gun. Yeah. But you know, and the thing
I loved about it too is that, you know, whereas Schwarzenegger is like,
you know, he's creating all thesetraps and all of this stuff with
all his military no how you know, Danny Glover's is being resourceful and using

(02:37:35):
whatever is around him. And hegrabs the blade from the predator that's his
own blade and he uses it againsthim, which is that whole thing where
he's trying to reach the h Also, that's gonna be the worst weapon if
that weapon cuts through flash that easily. Can you imagine trying to pick that
up? Oh yeah, yeah.And I'm losing a thumb for the first
time. I time, I'm losingthe thumb. I'm just going to slip

(02:37:58):
and instead of like when you accidentcut your knife and cut your thumb with
like a sharp knife or whatever,and you go, you look at it,
and you go, and he minutethat blood's gonna pull and you feel
it and you know, and yousit there and you wait for the line
to show up, and then itbleeds and whatever. You run it under
a cold tap, and as longas it's not flapping too much, you
put a band aid on it andyou get on with your life. This
thing. Trying to pick this thingup, you'd lose an all hand.

(02:38:22):
They feel like, well, becausewhen he's reaching for it too, the
way that they cut it, yeah, because they had to edit a certain
way, it looks like he's barelyable to get to the blade. And
then the next cut he's actually gettinghis hand into the the thing into their
little hole yeah, finger holes inthe middle. Yeah yeah, And I
mean those finger holes, even thoselike, because they're designed for the predators,
must have been awkward for him.But you know, yeah, he

(02:38:43):
pulled me up, cut the guy'sarm off, and then you know,
then strapped it to himself. AndI understand that they wanted to have them
carry off the body, but heshould have cut the fucking predator's head off.
Yes, Yeah, the last shotshould have been him holed the fucking
predator's head covered in dusty yes,waving it at boldwind, fuck you boldies.

(02:39:07):
It throws him like there, Igot you, I got your predator.
Yeah, I got you. Youknow, I got your guy here.
Yeah, that's what it should That'show it should have ended. Yeah,
they missed a trick that I keptplanting him to slice the predator's head
off. Yeah, either that ordo one of those great moves at the
end where he just discussed that fuckingthing and it killed like twenty predators that

(02:39:30):
were in that spaceship. It justwent around loping heads off, you know
what I mean, like the endof Kingsman, right, because well that
seed happens, you do kind oflike there's that sense of like what's gonna
happen now, right, like likelike Danny Glover's dead or is he going
to fight all these you know?Like well I was running through my head
and I'm like, which character couldjump through the door at the last minute

(02:39:52):
and like Sun Dance and Butching Sundance their way out of this. Yeah.
Uh, And I was like,well they were all dead, like
all of them, you know whatI mean, Like no one really survives
this movie except Danny Glover's and Covenantdust right, well, Danny Glover and
Adam Baldwin for whatever, you know, Like it's, yeah, Baldwin's not
about to come in and endanger himselffor the Glover's Yeah, Boldwin's a scumback.

(02:40:18):
But yeah, Predator too. Idon't know that I have much more
to say about it, and we'vebeen going three hours, but yeah,
it's it's that good. I thinkfor people that are listening, because it
seems like everybody in the comments,you know, they've seen it recently and
they really enjoyed it. But Ithink for people who haven't seen it recently,
it's worth a look see, especiallylike as if you're watching more modern

(02:40:39):
things, it's good to kind ofgo back and see some like these and
kind of get a taste of likealmost like why you were even watching these
movies now, you know. Yeah, and I agree, this is definitely
one that if you have a loveof action, if you've seen everything from
you know, big billion dollar blockbustersto little B movies or C movies,

(02:41:01):
this has a flavor of both,and it's got a sense of its own
ridiculousness and it rams everything up toeleven and it's incredibly enjoyable. I would
definitely definitely check it out. Lastthing for me on the Aftermovie Dinah.
Last bit of business is that Justtonight, I put up two videos before
we went live with this show aboutmy VHS collection. A few months back,

(02:41:26):
I was asked on Instagram like,what are some of your rarer VHS
tapes? And I don't really havea lot of rare VHS tapes, but
I do have VHS tapes where Normiswould be like, what is that movie?
I've never even fucking heard of it? I have a ton of those.
So I basically did a couple ofvideos where I go through my Donald
Plaza's collection, my PM Entertainment collection, and then just a bunch of random

(02:41:52):
movies from my shelf. I thinkit's a lot of fun. It's up
on YouTube right now. I've alsoposted it on the website Aftermovie Dina Dot
and it will be up on Instagramand Facebook later tonight. But check that
out. It's called my VHS collectionRare, weird or Beloved Tapes. Yeah,
yeah, that sounds always fun.I always like getting seeing other people's

(02:42:13):
collections, seeing what they have,and yeah, whether it's movies that I
have myself, as oh I knowthat box, or like if I don't
have it, but I you know, just yeah, or even like with
the pm ones in particular, whereit's like a lot of those I got
those on Netflix, you know,rentals. So I realized that most movie
collectors who have VHS shows on YouTubeare awful, and so not that their

(02:42:35):
shows are awful. A lot ofthem are very well produced to have opening
intros and stuff like that, whereasmine is just a cell phone camcorder like
filming me in front of my VHS. But they're awful because they're the kind
of people who, you know,I have what did I in my video?
I go, I have Goblins Atemy Face six or whatever. But

(02:42:56):
they have some movie that was shoton video in but fuck nowhere that was
sat on a shelf for ten years, that you know, was distributed for
three weeks in nineteen ninety one bya company that went defunk before it even
started. And they're like, youknow, I got this taped for twenty
five cents at a yard sale.I'm like, no, you didn't,

(02:43:20):
No, you didn't, but you'regoing to say you did because you want
to laud it over everybody, andyou want to be like, I have
you know Ferret Devil's nine. Youdon't have Ferret Devil's nine. Oh did
you know there is no Ferret Devilseven or eight. Actually Ferret Devil seven
was actually renamed Otter wars by Fuckoff those people. I want to do

(02:43:41):
away with those people. I amjust a oh look, I have Donald
Pleasant's movie and it's fun. Yeah, yeah, no, I think it's
always it was kind of cool tosee that. Yeah, just you know
that kind of Donald Pleasant VHS's orjust you know the movies that he did,
the other movies that he was in. It's just yeah. Oh,
I have a couple of classics.Yeah, I have. I have some
real great ones that you're gonna enjoyseeing. But those are up on after

(02:44:05):
webe dined in dot com. Anyother bits of business from you, Matt
or are we good to wrap up? Yeah? I mean the site,
DTV commosword up blockspot dot com.That's where you can find everything, links
to the podcast, links to mynovels, you know, links the thread
list where you know you've designed someof the shirts. I'm wearing one of
the ones that you designed. Yeah, so yeah, everything's there, DTV,

(02:44:28):
connosword Up, blogspot dot com.Love it, well, Matt,
this has been another classic. AndI still haven't edited the last episode.
But when I do, what's gonnabe nice is I'll have this one.
I'll record with you again, probablynext week, like so yeah, it'll
be good, and I'll have afew episodes of my belt and I'll just
release them, you know. Ithink if I have them loaded up and
ready to go, it'll be easierto kind of release them on a scheduled

(02:44:50):
date and try and keep up theregularity. Yeah, that's that's the way
I try to do it, totry to get as many in the can
as I can kind of thing.Yeah, and then maybe we do a
blush. Yeah that sounds perfect.Yeah all right, man, Well look
let's talk next week. Let's dowings Houser. I'll watch those films and
once I've let you know, I'lltell you what night works for me.
But thanks for always being available,man, Thanks for running a long.
I love running a long and channingsabout it everything. So have a good

(02:45:13):
night. Do have a good night. Talk you soon have a good one.

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