A.I. EP. 308: “So Take Your Flunky And Dangle” - Miller’s Crossing 35th Anniversary

We got Abe Sword to come back to the pod and talk about one of his favorite Coen Brothers films, Miller’s Crossing, which happens to be turning 35 this year. It was a great time rewatching and breaking this film down with Abe. Enjoy!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dud.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
The sun is shining out a cloud in the sky.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
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Speaker 5 (00:29):
We hope you love it, so come on in and stay.
We'll do our best to make you smile with the
indoors Man.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
What is happening?

Speaker 6 (00:42):
I'm Rob Lundquist and I'm Books and we are the
Avid Indoorsman. Hi everyone, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hi buddy, how
are you?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm good. It feels like it's been a very long time.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I agree, both doing a podcast and just talking to you.
What's new?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Agreed?

Speaker 6 (01:00):
So many things have happened since we last chatted on here.
Now we were supposed to have a different episode come out.
We did do a live episode, just super cool.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I've already heard that. I think, yeah at this.

Speaker 6 (01:14):
Point, at this time when we're recording, it hasn't come out.
So I did get to see you there at the
Oregon Getaway. That was very fun.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
But before that I was in China for two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yes, oh god, we recorded before China.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
That's okay, it's been a minute, it really yeah, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
The China tour went pretty well. There were some some
pros and some cons. Got to see some some pretty
amazing places, got to have some amazing Chinese food. I
will say I was real ready for a burger when
I got home.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I get that. I get that.

Speaker 6 (01:55):
It's like I just want like a burger or like
a taco or just something, just something a little different,
Like it's good, it's just just different. The first week,
week and a half, we were like this is amazing,
and then it's just I hit a point where I
was like, I'm I want my I want my creature
comforts and comforts death, I feel you, I feel but

(02:18):
really fun crowds out there, and uh. One thing I
will say is I wish they enjoyed air conditioning more.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah. Really are not for it.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
They're not for it. They're against it, and I'm against that.
And I was hot and sweaty the whole time.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
But we are like two to three of them right speaking.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
Yes, but yeah, they I heard that they think that
you'll get sick if you're in a cold room. I
just want to I want to assure them that that
is the case for me.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
I promise. I've been doing it a long time. I'm
not always sick.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
Yeah, but yeah, and then we did the working get
away that was super fun. And then but now I've
been on vacation for a week up at the cabin.
That's where I currently am. I love it with my family.
So just so many things, dude, so many things.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
How have you been a good man?

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Just hanging out? I have been to What have I
done since we last talk? So? Yeah, the getaway happened.
That was great. I went for a few days before
and saw the Zambers. That was fun.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeap.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Their little family is just so cute and great.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
They're the sweetest.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
They're lovely, those kiddos are They're just cutie pies. Yeah.
I did that. And then I went to a work
conference in Atlanta for a week, so I.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Was like, yeah, how was that?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
It was really good. I didn't get to see much
of Atlanta, but we hung out. It was really interesting,
learned a bunch of stuff, hung out with some coworkers
I hadn't hung out with before, So overall, it was
a success. I definitely by the end of it, I
was like, I'm ready to just be home and bed
you out a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
It was a full week you're out there.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, And then it had been it had been two
and a half weeks I think total, since i'd been
home for you know, like a more than just a
resting my head for an hour or two, you know
kind of deal, which I'm sure you understand more than anyway,
but it just gets to me. I'm just like, I
just want to relax a little bit, you know. But

(04:20):
I get that I've done plenty of that since. So, Yeah,
liked hanging out. I'm going to God's Country for Labor Day,
so it'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
How fun? So are you going to do our fantasy
football draft up there?

Speaker 3 (04:32):
I think I'll be back here for that, okay, but
I'm going to go for hanging with math for a
few days, and then a bunch of people are coming
up to our land up there to go camping and stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
So finally fun. It will be fun.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, So I just living the dream. I'm super ready
for fall and sports and cooler temperatures and just all
the things I heard that. Yeah, the fall so much.
I mean has been fun, but you know, I just
always love the fall.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
I feel you. I am at the cabin. I'm glad
it's summer. We've been having a lot of good times
on the lake and stuff. One caveat.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
We have two dogs up here and they are loud,
so a little.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
There's nobody tell Norman I'm on the call. Yeah, okay,
would be good.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Not a fan my sister's dog, Norman. He is still
kind of a puppy. And man, he and Penny they there,
they are right, they know I'm talking about him.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
They yeah, and having a great time. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
And Penny's actually like giving her the time of day,
giving him the time of day, which is kind of nice.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
And yeah, that's wonderful. Nice.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
It might be loud. Sorry, no worries.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
We'll figure it out. Well, very cool, buddy. Oh god,
you were gonna do it. I was gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Most last movie you watch?

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Last movie I watched. I watched the make of Lilo
and Stitch, the live action, the live action one, and man,
I liked it a ton, Buddy, I thought it was
really really fun. This is a lovely example for folks
who have seen the original eLOAD Stitch, which I was
a huge fan. I think you said you didn't really

(06:20):
see that one, right, like the kids. Okay, I had
seen the original and really liked the animated one. They
this one was fun. They went they like added stuff
to the story which was really fun. So it had
all the beats of the original, but they added story
elements that were much cooler for a live you know,

(06:41):
a live action remake. And I really really enjoyed that.
It really hit perfectly for me. So I had a
great time. I really liked it. The little girl in
it is just she's just the cutest Maya k Looa.
She's just so cute and fun. She was just great.
And Stitch was great. They like made him, you know,

(07:02):
mostly the same but slightly different. And I really had
a good time watching this movie. It was It was
a hit as far as I'm concerned, And I can't
recommend it enough. I feel like your kids would like it.
I don't.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
They've seen it, yes, so did they enjoy it? They
loved it?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
Okay, we actually we were just talking about what's your
favorite Disney movie?

Speaker 2 (07:22):
And for both of them, they both said the new Stitch.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Stitch, Yeah, yeah, it's so cute. Have you been able
to see this one or did they say have it Okay, Yeah,
I haven't seen it. Yeah it's really fun man, but cool. Yeah.
I really enjoyed it. I recommend it. All the actors
are that are in it are super fun and it's
just a fun story and not exactly the same as
the animated one, but while keeping all the good parts

(07:47):
kind of, so it's sort of a best of both
world situations. Big fan, big fans for sure.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
I hadn't really heard anything like from anybody really about
that except for my kids, and I knew they were
going to love it.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Kids will all love it, I like. I think. I
gave it a nine on IMDb because Wow, I loved it.
I thought it was just super well done and really cool.
So check it out. How about you, what's the last
movie you watch?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Well?

Speaker 6 (08:15):
I watched so many movies to and from China. It
turns out that's a long flight.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's a long flight.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's a long one.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
But one of the craziest ones that I watched was
a movie called Freaky Tales. Freaky Tales, it's currently being
streamed on HBO Max, but it's these four crazy stories
that are intertwined.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's set in the nineteen eighties, so it has that
kind of vibe.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
It has some kind of supernatural stuff, a ton of violence,
especially in the last tale, but it was really different.
It's very original. It did kind of have a Tarantino
vibe to it. Adam Rupp had seen it on the
first flight and he was kind of raving about it,
and so I was like, all right, I'll watch it

(09:05):
on the way back. Crazy. I really enjoyed it. The
big actors in at our Pager Pascal Ben Mendelssohn, pop
star Normani. She makes an appearance and she did a
really good job in her her tail.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
She was in She's a pop.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
Star by herself now, but she was in a girl
group that I can't think of what the name was.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Sounds familiar, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Cool.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
She also is engaged to DK Metcalf. They're the new
my Yeah Star couple. But yeah, dude, I really enjoyed it.
It might be a little too out there, a little
too violent for some folks, but it was just the
amount of freaky that I liked, so I was into it.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Very cool to check that out.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
That sounds neat, Yeah, dude, you're gonna get Oh, there's
also one huge cameo on it.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
That was really fun.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
Okay, don't look at the cast list, because it was
really fun when it came up.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Nice. Have you been streaming anything fun?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah? I was streaming and I think it was Nope,
I'm wrong. It was a Hulu. I was gonna say,
I think it was The Next as well, or now
it's HBO again, it doesn't matter. This was on Hulu,
so I'm glad I brought that up. It was a
movie called Attack the Block, which I think you've seen.
Have you ever seen that one?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I haven't even heard.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Oh I thought we had talked about this and you've
seen it. This is John Boyega. It was his like
first movie or first beer movie. It was in twenty eleven,
and it's sort of a space invadery kind of thing.
Boyega and his crew are like they're in London and

(10:50):
they're kind of like hoodlum me kind of folks. You know,
they're out on the streets running around like a sort
of pseudo gang, and then an alien invasion happens and
all hell breaks loose and it's actually pretty fun. It's
a pretty fun movie. There's definitely some violence, happening in it.
It's definitely like a lower budget movie. But I had
a good time watching it. I thought it was pretty.

(11:12):
It was like a fun, stylized, you know, sort of
up and coming kind of movie. I think I should
I should check.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
It was twenty eleven, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, twenty eleven. Yeah. The budget was thirteen million, which
in real people dollars is a ton of money, but
not for movies like that's not that crazy, ye, but yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
I thought it was pretty has the mom in broad Church?
I feel like I haven't seen her in anything.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Except for that.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Oh wait is that the.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Her name is Jody Whittaker. She was second mill done.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Oh fun. I didn't know she was in proNT Church.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
That's fun.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, she's great in this movie as well. But yeah,
it's it's really fun. If you're looking for sort of
a stylized monster flick, I think you like it.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's fun, cool, nice.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
What have you been streaming?

Speaker 6 (12:01):
I finally got around to watching the first season of
Bad Sisters on Apple TV Plus. Was that it was
pretty great, dude. The only person I knew in it
going into it was Sharon Horgan. She was the lady
in Game Night. She'd been in a bunch.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Of other things.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
But she was the Irish lady in Game Night if
you remember.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's cream. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
But she is extremely talented and she was one of
the creators of this show. It's set in Ireland and
in particular Malahide, which is pretty cool fun for those
who don't know, that was where my wife and I
got married. Yeah, and they even had one scene in Gibney's.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Oh that's fun.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
That's the bar where we had our grooms dinner.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
And yeah, we all hung out at gibney Is the
first time we were all out.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
There was so much fun.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
A few times.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
Yeah, even watched the Vikings game there. Yeah, they were
playing and I was were on.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
The first trip at that guy and he was like, oh,
it's twelve or thirteen towsands people or so, and I
was like, I love it here, I love it. This
is amazing great.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
But this show, it's it's about this group of five sisters.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
One of them is married to an absolute monster and
the other four of them then plot to kill him
for the sake of their sister. Wow, and funny things
happen along the way. It's definitely a dark comedy.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, very cool.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
I really enjoyed it. I flew through that first season nice.
I started the first episode of the second season, and
it kind of seemed like it might not have like
the magic that.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
The first season had.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
Sure, so I'm not sure if I'm going to keep
up with it just after watching the first episode, but
I really enjoyed the first season.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Very cool, very cool. So maybe just.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Watched the first one that it's a good one and
done really.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Love it, very very fun. What do you think do
if you plug a room?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Let's plug it up.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Nice, guys can justus us. That's always over on the
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Speaker 6 (14:22):
In Patreon dot com slash the aviod indorsment. Yeah, it's
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Jackie Houston and Noel Flores. You guys are wonderful. Thanks

(14:43):
so much for being patons. Uh And another perk we
like to give our patrons is an extended version of
every single episode that we do well. You usually do
a top five draft that particines to the movie we're
talking about. After this one, our guests came up with
a really fun one our top five favorite movie Drunks,
drunks or lushes.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
I love it, I love it. That'll be fun. Did
you lose your spot when you were in a headwag?
I sure did not to call you out. It was
just funny to be like, oh, I feel like that's
what I now.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'm going to give myself another space.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, I can't exactly what happened. That's what I would
have done too, Yes, sir, love it so tap movie
drunk stick around for that should be become a patron today,
please do it? Does we're here today to talk about
a movie with a drunk in it. We're going to
talk about Miller's Crossing. Yeah, and it's the thirty fifth anniversary.

(15:43):
It is nineteen when it was first out and we
decided we had to get I don't know. He's not
a drunk Actually, do any of us drink? No, we're
not a ring movie drunkards, and none of us we
like to still laugh at them. We love it. But
he's our pal. We just got to see his glorious

(16:06):
estate out in Oregon for the getaway. Let's give it up, ladies,
John for.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
A what's up, abe Hi? It's good to see you.

Speaker 7 (16:17):
It's good to be.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Here, like we just saw you. Man paths with y'all.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
Yes, dude, yes, yes, but we just brought up the
Oregon Getaway and our intro we were talking about how
we did a little episode there.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
The people here have already heard it, yeah, but we haven't.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Strangely enough, time is Sweird's weird? It's a flat circle,
it is. I haven't had it yet, but I'm excited.
It was super fun. How are you? How are you recovering?
After all that?

Speaker 7 (16:49):
I feel recovered And it's a journey into and out
of it, but always worth it. I feel like every
year is just a little bit better and got some
new new things we've tried and be with and so
already starting to plan for next year.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
I love that, and keep a lookout timpos music dot
com or any various social medias as where that will
be announced. I'm sure those dates will be.

Speaker 7 (17:13):
It'll be early August again, just doing the little final
touches on which one works best.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Totally, totally, that's highly recommend It was so much fun.
It was my first time being there. You just have
such a beautiful property. It's there, It's gorgeous out there.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah. I can't can't recommend it more so please check
it out.

Speaker 7 (17:35):
Fun to share it. Like I said, there's always special
things and surprises that happened. So yeah, we we like
to do that, and I'll also recover from it.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yes, right for sure. Uh and I think we should
just force everyone's hand. We're going to be there next
year too, suck it, we have you have to invi this. Yeah,
we got him, Rob, right, got him good? I should
have asked yes on as everyone says.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
We all know, we all say that, yes.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, very cool. We're here to tackle little Miller's crossing fellas,
and I think we should just get right into what
do you think, Rob? You want to hit us with
the rough synopsis, Yes, I do okay.

Speaker 6 (18:17):
When the Italian mafia threatens to kill a crooked bookie,
Irish mob boss Leo O'Bannon refuses to allow it, chiefly
because he's dating the bookie's sister, crafty.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Gun mole Verna Burnbaum.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
Leo's right hand man Tom Reagan is also seeing Verna
on the sly, and when he's found out, is obliged
to switch sides, going to work for the Italian mob
amidst a dramatically escalating gang war over liquor distribution.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Very nice. I've never heard the gun moll word before.
That's fun.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
It's two different words.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, yeah, phrase, I should say, yes, Yes, it's an
earliest nineteen hundred slang for female companion. I'm sure everybody
knew that. Yeah I did.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, me too when I wrote this.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Great job, bro.

Speaker 7 (19:10):
It pops up sometimes in those like film noir. Yeah,
that makes a black widowing type.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
That makes sense. Huh. Maybe it's because a woman like
that would scare me, and I wouldn't know what to do.
Oh scared, so scary, I wouldn't be a good gangster.
I just like everybody's cool, that's all. It's all just
get out of here.

Speaker 7 (19:29):
Don't trust her brother.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Her brother's a snake. Let's go to rotten to bottles
near with theys to say, critics like this movie a
fair bit. They're at a rock solid ninety three percent.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Critics like this movie.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
It's pretty good. Audience members right behind him at ninety percent.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
So audiences love this movie.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I was, yeah, I guess I didn't know what to
expect from that, but.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's very Hi, why why not?

Speaker 3 (19:58):
I don't know. Let's get into what we think. It's
time for our hot take. That's a hot take. That's
a hot take, spicy.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
There's a fire going on downstairs.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
I'm gonna jump out of the window and then I'm
gonna get my Tommy gun and then I'm gonna shoot people.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, hot, hot hat, I will go first. I thought
this was my first time seeing this movie. I think
I've actually seen it before. I think it's my second
time because things. You know, what did it for me
was the smoke rolling up through his floorboards. I was like,
I think I've seen this very thing before.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Maybe I've just seen that scene before.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Now, because I keep lists, you know, of the movies
I watch, so I searched it and I watched it
back in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh okay, so it's been a long time. What did
you rate it on IMDb? Did you not rate it?

Speaker 3 (20:50):
I didn't rate it because I was a little behind
the times. Now, okay, okay, and I have rated it
now and I gave it seven. That was a really
good movie. I thought, I'm a little conservative with the ratings.
I try not to go too crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
You do.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
You just gave Leelo and Stitch Remake a nine, and
you give Miller's.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Like I said, I'm a pragmatic man and I with
bold for the movies. I don't know what you damn it.
I wish I wouldn't have said both of those ratings
in the same episode. Now they know I'm all of it.

(21:32):
They already knew. I like this movie a lot. I
will admit it is a bit slow for me at points.
Those kind of like film Noiry kind of movies are
not my all time favorite. We lost it was good.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
That was good.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Stitch got a nine, all right. I don't know why
we had to call each other out, but I really
the parts of this movie I liked. I liked a
ton I think you see, like the first of the
Cohen Brothers. Maybe not the first, but we really start
getting tastes of their like very silly dialogue they put
into very serious situations, which is part of my favorite

(22:12):
things about them. We got double crosses, we got sceptfuge.
I love how they can and I'm sure people have
talked about this, but they somehow write dialogue that makes
total sense and feels supernatural, even though it's slang no
one uses anymore, you know, like yeah, and they find
a way to just make it be like, well, yeah, obviously,

(22:33):
like you know, like scram Kid or you know, I
wrote down a bunch of them, but yeah, yeah, just
super cili, Yeah, what's the rumpus? Stuff like that that
just seems so normal and perfect, but also it's definitely not,
which I just love that about them. I think it's
really great. Yeah, I like this movie a lot. I
think it's really fun. I probably should bump it up

(22:55):
from a seven given my calling out that has happened,
But yeah, I don't think I have any like too
crazy hot of takes. I bet this is a movie
though that does get better and better the more you
watch it, because there it's pretty like gnarled up, so
I could see that being more fun, you know, on

(23:16):
your multiple you watches, Absolutely, dude, But I really did
enjoy it. I think it's a really fun period piece.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
That's a hot take, buddy, hat I had a lot
of those same takes. I always really enjoyed this film.
I've seen this a few times. This was the third
film from the Cohen's after Blood, Simple and Raising Arizona.
So very early on and the Cohen Rip felt like
a gangster film mixed with a crime noir.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
I really liked that. There's so much to love about
this film.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
The characters they've created, the dialogue, Like you said, the
score from Carter Burwell is so hauntingly beautiful. Yeah, just
going I love it. The cinematography from Barry Sonenfeld, who
he then became.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
A big director right after this.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
He made this in ninety and then he directed his
own his first film, I think it was The Adams.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Family in ninety one. Oh nice, and then he just
hasn't looked back. Cool this film. Like like you.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
Had said, a lot of the Coen Brothers films are
probably better after a second watch. Sure, I felt that
way about this, just because they go right into the
main plot of the story. With dialogue explaining a bunch
of things that happened to a bunch of people we
haven't even met yet, which I could imagine would be
confusing right away for folks. But I do love that

(24:47):
the Cohens they don't dumb it down. They just do
their thing. It's very specific, it's very stylized. It's not
my absolute favorite Cohen Brothers film because they've just done
so many amazing things. Yeah, but it's definitely up towards
the top of the list, and it's one that I
really enjoy and appreciate.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Very cool.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
Hot take that's about as hot as it gets for me, Abe,
what's your hot take?

Speaker 7 (25:14):
Well, this is my favorite Coen Brothers movie.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Tape.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
Indeed, you know it's sometimes I like to delineate between
favorite and best, and I think I could easily argue
some other com Brothers ones is as better artistically, you know,
and just hitting a better like report card, But this
one's my favorite. And love that all the things you said,
you know, that dialogue, it feels like you're almost a

(25:42):
step behind sometimes and you're catching the last line and
the other one's already going like you're running down a hill.
Quick quite get your feet underneath you. And so there's
there's a thrillingness to that the dialog. Like you said,
they almost create their own language there, and it's I
noticed this time. I was like, why is it working?
And they repeat it in different context sometimes and sudden
you kind of figure out what the rump is is

(26:05):
based on the context. You give me the high hat.
You see it use a few different times you're like, Okay,
I feel like I can say that now and and
I will drop those is like inside jokes myself basically
sometimes or my wife, I'll bug her with it. Stop
giving me the high hat. Give So it's it's fun
to they create. It's almost like a fantasy as much

(26:26):
as the other genres you mentioned as well, because it is,
you know, in this unspecified city with this different language,
and there's these little twists on these characters that don't
quite hit those tropes as much as other more classic
gangster movies do.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Love that very cool, and.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
So that makes it very rewatchable as well, for all
those reasons.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
I think for sure, love that love that hot. Take
hat so hot? All right, Well, Miller's crossing, not Lelone's stitch.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I think that's but it is pretty good. It's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Damn well, hot takes all around. I love it. Maybe
it's time to go in. Shall we pick our favorite
acting performance?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Shall we name the dude the dude?

Speaker 8 (27:10):
I'm the dude, So that's what you call me, you
know that? Or his dudeness or duder or you know,
eldudo reno. If you're not into the whole brevity thing.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Right, what do you got for your favorite actor?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
It's named after another Coen Brothers.

Speaker 7 (27:27):
Yes, I would be mad at myself if I didn't
go with the obvious Gabriel Burn there. You know, it's
such an iconic character I feel like, and the way
he plays it, he really becomes that character. You forget
that he's acting. I do, at least, And you know
it's just I buy in completely. I can identify maybe

(27:50):
some of my character flaws and him sometimes too, and
so that I think sinks his hooks a little deeper,
like I might do that in his position as well,
And so it's a real I don't know if it's
quite like an anti hero, but it's a it's a
flawed human.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Extremely flawed. Yes, Yes, I love that nice.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
Yeah, that is great. I went with John Polito as
Johnny Casper.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Fun.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
It's such a Coen Brothers character. He's doing so much.
He gets so sweaty every time he gets worked up.
I love his interesting morals where he like really respects
loyalty and ethics while he's mad that somebody is getting
in on his fixed fight. I just love that conundrum.

(28:44):
And he even goes against his right hand man, the Dane,
because he had even suggested that they double crossed tom
So into loyalty.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, I was. I thought he was just wonderful. Love that.
That's who I picked to Rob as well. I thought
I was picking a crazy one.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Now.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
The one that there was a couple of scenes that
really convinced me. One was when he like looks like
he's gonna pop up blood that's all because he's so mad.
And then he's like, you know, that whole thing is
so funny, And then and it's not, you know, I
get it right, Like the violence and kids understandable. But
when he slaps his son and he's like, what's mad

(29:29):
or did someone hit you?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Right, that was so funny to me, Just like you
have to be firm with him, you know, I agree,
he just was he was just chewing scenery. Dude. He
was having a great time, and I really liked it.
But you know, Gabriel Burn, obviously.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
It was Gabriel Burn.

Speaker 6 (29:50):
Obviously, it's it's my favorite performance of his in all
of his.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
And he's done a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
He's done a bunch of things, but this is my
favorite Gabriel Burn performance for sure.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
He's really great.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, a lot of good performances.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
Though, why don't we go ahead and let's uh, let's
pick the two g how.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
About for that? What do you get for the tea?

Speaker 7 (30:15):
Well? I I vacillated over sure picking Bolito as well,
the Johnny Casper character. I he was sort of a
semi lead, semi supporting, but he was on screen a lot,
so but I went with John Traturo playing Bernie Burnbaum's
so good, Johnson, I just love yeah, speaking of becoming

(30:37):
the character and just seeing his range just across other
Colin Brothers movies much everything else he's doing is it's
really fun to see a master at work like that.
And I just noticed how how stressed I am every
time he's in a scene because because of those morals
and that lack of and it's like he's there's something
going on here, someone's in danger because he is only

(30:59):
looking out for himself. Yeah, and it just keeps on
getting more and more intense.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
He's the perfect like slimy dude, you know, just like
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I absolutely picked him to say somebody else. Though.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
Albert Finney is wonderful in this as Leo Bannon. I
love him and everything, but I love this. I love
how he's just like this tough mob boss, but he's
vulnerable in one spot. And it's where he's totally smitten
with the lady, who's the kind of a lady of

(31:35):
the night. Do we think that there is she just promiscuous.
I think she's just promiscuous. I don't think she's charging. Okay,
she's using her.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Body for gain though, I guess so you.

Speaker 7 (31:46):
Know, yeah it's transactional, if not financially.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah, exactly, so maybe so, but you pretty much come
out the gate with you know, he's this like tough dude,
but he's like immediately vulnerable because he's you know, wanting
to stick up for his lady's brother because he doesn't
want to make her mad.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
But then you really find out that you know.

Speaker 6 (32:10):
Why he's that mob boss because he's so tough, and
I loved those scenes.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Those are my favorite ones. So yeah, Albert Finney's.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Great, love that great picks all around. I would have
definitely picked both of them. Marcia gay Harden, We've mentioned
her a couple of times in passing. She's great in
this movie. I thought, very like, super hard to pin down,
you know, as far as who her allegiances lie with.
Really she's got a little bit of I.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Was gonna say it didn't seem like she was very
hard to pin down.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
If you have some to offer. I was going to
say she got a little bit of her brother in her,
But I meant they're both, you know, kind of slimy,
you know, they're looking out for themselves.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
She's a sick twist.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, indeed, I thought she was pretty great in this. Honestly,
she was really fun. It was a good time. Also,
shout out to Mike Starr, Yes from he was He's
a perfect gangster, you know, like muscle own guy.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
When he's supposed to beat up Tom and Tom immediately
gets the chair on him and he's just like, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Tom, what are you doing? Man? I loved it.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
I did not remember that Francis McDormand was in this movie.
I mean, granted it was about three seconds on screen,
but still, I did not remember that. And Steve is Mink.
We love Steve.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
He's not in it very long, Michael, he's not in
it super long either.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
No, he's not.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
But dude, Steve was getting those lines out. I was
just like, how is he saying this this fat so fast?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, I was shocked.

Speaker 7 (34:04):
When I was diving into the trivia, they mentioned that
that was one of the big reasons he was cast
was because he could deliver those lines so quickly.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
That makes sense.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
That's so funny that, dude, he's another guy in each
Coen Brothers movie.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
He gets to show off his range. That guy is
so impressive. Love working with them because they're just like,
you never know what they're gonna have you do. It's
gonna be something weird, but it's gonna be fun. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:28):
I also love that we get to see Michael battle.
Luco is Casper's driver, and the big thing I know
him from is in O Brother or Art though he's
the the cry baby.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah alcohol yes, yes, no, baby face, baby face.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Nelson, baby face Nelson.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
So it's always fun seeing him.

Speaker 7 (34:53):
One of my most inappropriate laughs in the theater was
in that movie and when you play baby Face and
he shut up that cow, and I was just.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
It's so funny, dude. I mean it's so bad, but
it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
That was not the people I wrote down. Anybody else?
Want to talk about anybody else?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I didn't have anyone else.

Speaker 7 (35:13):
I went a little weird. And the other ones that
I listed is, you know, runners up were the musical
theme by Carter Burwell has its own character, the hat
so good call that.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
Each of those things felt like they were playing a
role and adding to the acting of the scenes, and
it is a whole new dimension love that.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Also, Sam Raimi is in this movie. Did you see
that as like a gun they say, the snickering gunman. Yeah.
I didn't recognize him, but I was like, oh, that's weird, Okay,
super weird. That's bad.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's fun.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Uh well cool? Should we go and talk about a
favorite scene? Shall we name the danga?

Speaker 2 (35:57):
The dings is quite simple, dingus, dingus.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
I can talk about my dingus all night long.

Speaker 7 (36:05):
Hey, what do you got for the Dingas for the Dingus,
I went with the second walk into the woods into
Miller's crossing good for me when they're they're looking for
Bernie Burnbaum's body and he's going to die if they
don't find it. He knows it's not there, and so
you're really in Tom's shoes in that scene and in

(36:26):
a twist that you know, not no pun intended that
you didn't see coming, right, Like, yeah, really iconic for me,
and just something that you know, if I'm flipping through
the channels and that that's on, that's there's no way
I'm going to turn away from that.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, that was intense for sure.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
He's like getting more and more on. You know, he's
unrattling in front of us because he's just like, well,
I'm screwed, this is over.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
It's over, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:52):
I love that he is dead in his mind.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, it's a great scene.

Speaker 6 (37:00):
When I think of this movie, I think of the
Danny Boys scene. Dude, I mean it's so incredible. Albert
Finnie's lying in bed enjoying a cigar. He can smell
the smoke that's coming from downstairs after his henchman is killed,
and his lit cigarette lights there starts a fire. Then

(37:24):
the pan down to him putting on his slippers is
so great, grabbing his gun, going under the bed, shooting
the guy, then jumping out the window, really shooting that
guy more than he needed to the shaking of that guy.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Just so much fun.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
And then just you know, getting the people in the
getaway car too, and he is just a badass, like
Albert Finnie Man and the whole time Danny Boys in
the background just like not the song you expect beautiful, just.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
So pure and lovely.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yes, and just Tommy guns agoing. I love that scene
a lot.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
That is a great one. That's the one I picked
for sure. I love the walk into the woods. Also
another scene that I love, and it's probably should have
mentioned this, Gid maybe we did. But the guy who's
like not the police chief, but the the police guy
that talks to Tom the two times they come into
like the alternate people's you know spots, he's just like

(38:32):
he's so cordial. And I love that scene where he's
just like, hey, Tom, how's it going, you know, like
in the background. Yeah, It's so great when he's just like, oh,
we're just here doing our business again, you know, it's great,
Like it's just really fun. I love that guy had
such a good delivery of his lines on both of
those scenes where we see that and then he goes

(38:54):
and talks to the chief and it's super fun. But
just those like the chaos and then and then I'm
just like talking like they're at a they work in
an office and they're just seeing each other at the
water blooler or something. It's really a fun juxtaposition. I
like that a lot.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
So that's fun.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, I think that what other scenes do we have?
Anybody got an upben?

Speaker 7 (39:17):
The one that jumped out of me this watch was
when he confronts when Tom fronts Verna in the ladies
room and you know, not not a place used to
that type of thing happening. Just the dialogue back and
forth and at the end when she says, I bet
you think you've raised Hell, and there's a nice pause
and she's walking away and he says, when I raise Hell,
you'll know it. Yeah, just like it feels kind of stereotypical,

(39:41):
but not not as well, Like it's just like perfect,
nailed the line, nailed the words, and you know you
have the broken mirror on the side there and you know,
you can tell that they have these very complicated feelings
for each other. So it's just like a couple of
prize fighters going at it alone.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Which is.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
One little nitpicky thing about that one, which is dumb.
But he throws the glass, it hits the mirror. It's
specifically broken in one spot in the top left, and
then we go back and the mirror is broken differently,
Just like, why did we need to rebreak the I don't.
I just I just don't get it. And it distracted

(40:24):
me because I noticed dumb things like that.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Sorry, it symbolizes, you know, we can feel broken and
it's different from day to day.

Speaker 7 (40:38):
Don't your expectations were shattered?

Speaker 6 (40:40):
Another runner up I also had the End of the Woods.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
But another runner up I had was just the opening scene.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
And they're just so good at character building, just right
out the gate, like we know so much from that
conversation and the die log is so good, and yeah,
I just I thought that was a fun way to
start start out the movie.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Also, the scene where he's like basically punching him to
his entire house is pretty fun. That's pretty Yeah, there's
all those dudes there just keeps hitting him downstairs and things.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I like that too, well, a lot of good dialogue.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
Like we said so much, I think we should pick
some of her favorite quotes, and let's.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Show me the money, Show me the money, show me.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Your first.

Speaker 7 (41:43):
My favorite quote today from this movie was Tom Gabriel
Burns saying, no, it stayed a hat, talking about the
dream he's talking to Verna with and she thinks she's,
you know, symbolized this thing he's chasing and turned to
something else and he just turns dry Alien says, no,
it's day a hat in the dream. It's really neat

(42:05):
because you know, there's a lot of a lot of
like ground there to analyze that hat and what it symbolizes,
and you know, whether it's his morality, which I like
that idea he takes it off, puts it back on.
He's got these slight morals and things like that. And
it's also a reference to a quote that gets like

(42:25):
misattributed to Freud sometimes, but you know the phrase sometimes
the banana is just a banana, which I love using
that too, and it's you know, got that Freudian aspect
to it. And sometimes a hat is just a hat,
which also implies sometimes it's not right, and so I
love that abstractness of Coen Brothers movies in general, and

(42:45):
here where you can assign meaning to it that might
be even better than they would have. You know, you'll
hear about sometimes bands saying, oh, well, people's take on
my lyrics are much better than my actual intention for it.
And I love that about art in general, abstract art,
which I feel like this is, and you get to
decide with the hat symbolizes they're not going to give
it to you. They're not going to spell it out
even after the fact, and so that's one of the

(43:07):
reasons I really love this movie.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
That's fun. I actually read an article that said something
along the lines of the hat is control. It symbolizes control.
So like every time he thinks, you know, every time
someone else is determining his life, in control over his life.
They take his hat, and then he takes it back, right,
and the whole time he's trying to get it. And

(43:29):
of course there's that great line that's like, there's nothing
quite as dumb as a guy chasing after his hat
or something like that. You know, you know, the whole movie,
which is pretty fun, but I.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
Like and you have the wind blowing it. So sometimes
there's forces that will you can't even control, and violence
will knock his hat off as well, you know, which
happens a few times.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I love that, nice, great pick. Do you have any
other quotes that you like from this?

Speaker 7 (43:58):
I had if you there's just the like catchphrases that
we touched on. Yeah, what's the rumpus? Yeah, you're giving
me the high hat, go dangle. Yes, it's interesting to
just think about. I mean, the Coin brothers were probably
in their thirties when they made this movie, and just
their their command over language and you know, even creating

(44:18):
their own lexicon here is just incredible.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Nice love that.

Speaker 6 (44:25):
Yeah, my favorite line in the whole thing is you
haven't bought any license to kill bookies, and today I
ain't selling any So take your flunky and dangle.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I love that so much.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Bernie groveling, look in your heart, Yeah, look in your heart?
And then that gets yeah, exacting so great that the
first time, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:51):
It works the first time, not so great the second time,
showing off Tom being super sarcastic. The Dane is, how
do you get the fat lip? And he says, old
war wound acts up around morons.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Which I liked a lot.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, I also had it.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
I'm stick of the high hat. What's the rumpus? Like
you said, Oh, Bernie, my own sister, some crackpot idea
about saving me from my friends.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
She's a sick twist, all right.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
She speaks highly of you. Yeah, well you stick by
your family.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, so good. Oh and my favorite from Bernie is uh.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
He's talking with Tom after he has uh. He let
him go in the woods, and then he meets him
at his house and he's being a wise guy. He's like,
don't smart me. See I want to watch you squirm.
I want to see you sweat a little. And when
you smart me, it ruins it. And he like, it's

(45:58):
almost about to cry. Don't you dare take this from me?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I love that is.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
I probably could have said this for a scene. But
also when there's two times Tom walks in the room
when o'duell and the mayor are there and they're in
like the different guy's spots, you know, based on who's
doing well at the time. But the first time he's like,
hello Tommy, you know O duel and the mayor and
he's like, I voted for him six times less man

(46:29):
and that ain't the record neither. That was really fun.
I also love when he's like, what the hell's the
matter with you? What the hell's the matter with you?
Are you afraid people might get the right idea about you?
I just love that so much, you know, like flipping
that on its edge. Just fun. Oh. I found the

(46:50):
line that the cop says when he walks in one
of the Times and he's like hey Tom, and he's like, oh,
you're working hard tonight. He's like, well, neither rain nor
wind nor snow, you know, talks about that we're always here,
which is really fun. And then I loved well, how
do I know if I tell you won't kill me?
Because if I kill you and you lied to me,

(47:11):
then I wouldn't be able to kill you. Then perfect logic,
perfect logic, perfect loge. Oh but yeah, I loved all those.
Those were all the ones I wrote down other than
the slang stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, really fun.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
Nice. Well let's move on. Let's go to moments only
where the crying game. I don't think he cried. I
don't think he cried in this movie.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Interesting, yep.

Speaker 7 (47:47):
I The two walks into the woods the first and
the second ones were the ones that I was trying
to pick. If I had to pick anything, you know,
someone's about to die in sort of an incrusome way,
maybe that I could.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
But there's just so much cool stuff going on. There's
so much to look at, there's so much to focus on.
I feel like, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
You're right, Rob, I didn't cry this one. I was surprised.

Speaker 9 (48:15):
Yeah, I was like, there are some people dying, and
there's some spots that normally could have but like, yeah,
it's just so stylized and you're just like, I feel
like you're taking it in so much.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
The tough to They don't give you a lot of
time to like stew and sentimentality at all either, you know,
really they're not going for that. I don't think you right, Yeah, right, Nope,
this one was a zero cry. Boom we territory, rare territory.
Let's do a little movie tibia, shall we?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
So, writers Joel and Ethan Cohen suffered writer's block while
writing this film. They took a three week break and
wrote all of Barton Fink, a film about a writer
with writer's block, and then came back to this movie,
and we see in homage that the name of Tom
Tom's residence is the Barton Arms. So I just thought

(49:08):
that was fun. And then there's a reference to seven
dead in a hotel fire, which is a reference to
Barton Fink. I don't think I've seen Barton Fink.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
So I don't believe you anymore because apparently you just
have to watch a little bit and then you realize
he's hot.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, that's fair, Uh, Steve Bouchammi we talked about he
was talking fast, that was why they catched him. That's fair.
I don't know. Let's see, although he was a native
Irishman playing a lieutenant to an Irish mobster, the Cones
didn't originally want Gabriel Byrne to use his own accent.
That was interesting, and he argued that the dialogue was

(49:44):
structured in such a way that it was a good
fit for the accent, and after he tried it, the
Cones eventually agreed.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
That is surprising to me because it sounds like when
they get something in their head, they're like, no, this
is what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
They're not like the most collaborative team, you know what
I mean, Like they they have a definite thought and
the way they want to go with it, that's a
good call. But they ended up letting them use their
original accents, so that's fun. Bernie is referred to as
a schmata several times. A shmata is a Yiddish word

(50:17):
for an old rag, and was also used colloquially as
a label for things of quality or anything worth worthless.
Casper's use is of course derogatory, labeling Bernie worthless both
as a man and as a Jew. I just thought
that was interesting. I like the word schmata. Schmana fun
to say you, it's fun. John Polino was only thirty

(50:44):
nine years old when he played Johnny Casper, and he
was much older.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
I think much older.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Poor guy. And actually he's the same age as Gabriel
Burn but yeah, they did not look the same age. Nope,
not even a little. So I just thought that was interesting.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I never knew this.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Did you guys know? The Coen Brothers reportedly turned down
Batman to make this movie. I didn't know that.

Speaker 7 (51:16):
I just learned that.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
That seems really.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Like when we turned down Batman and another giant film.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Make sure that at all.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, it would have been interesting. I really want to
see a Coen Brothers very interested.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I don't know, watch Brothers anything. Yeah, that would be interesting.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
And says, what's the what's the rumps?

Speaker 3 (51:43):
What's the robin go on and dangle Joka very silly.
In twenty fifteen, in an interview, John Polito revealed that
during the production, a distressed Marcia gave Harden, in her
first major role, complained to him that she felt the

(52:04):
co star Gabriel Byrne, was acting cold and distant towards her.
Polito believed that he was, you know, just trying to
remain in character for sake of their performance, and this
was never verified either way, so I thought I was like, oh,
he either was a buttthead or was method acting. I
guess that was funny. Cinematographer Barry Sonenfeld told the Coen

(52:31):
Brothers that the four scene should be shot during overcast
days only, but the brothers didn't want to delay the
filming based on weather, but they lucked out. On all
but one of the scheduled days they were shooting in
that location, it was overcast anyway, and Sonenfeld further muted
the colors by using fujifilm instead of Kodak and in

(52:51):
one scene when the Dane, Tommy, Frankie, and Tic taker
in the woods at Miller's crossing, some sunlight can be
faintly seen in the background, but otherwise he got his
overcast shots.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
So that worked out, worked out, worked out good. Yeah. Nice.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Reagan toast Volstad outside of Casper's premises during their police raid.
Andrew Volstad was her. Volstead was the sponsor and facilitator
of the National Prohibition Act in US Congress, which supported
the Eighteenth Amendment the United States Constitution and effectually effectively
established prohibition. So kind of fun to have him, you know,

(53:30):
throw that little middle finger up to him as he's
taken a little sip peru. It's one of This is
one of three Cohen Brothers films not to be edited
by the brothers themselves. They would edit under a pseudonym,
Roderick James. Apparently. I don't know why they had to
use a pseudonym to edit their own films. Yeah. The

(53:51):
others are Raising Arizona and the Hutsucker Proxy, so that's fun.
But I just thought this was fun. Tom Regan, He's
punched in the face twelve times, punched in the stomach slash,
Kidney twenty times, kicked in the face twice, thrown down
two flights of stairs, beaten with a purse, tripped while

(54:12):
in a full sprint, and nearly strangled to death in
this film.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
So yeah, he took quite a beating, he sure did.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
That would be kind of a fun draft, like the
characters who get beat up at the most beat up. Yeah, yeah,
I just rewatched Nobody, and that's got to be up
there for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Up there he gets a kick.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
I didn't see this, but apparently in that rest of
the Ladies restroom dressing room scene, Albert Finney is in
drags in as one of the ladies in that scene. Apparently,
Oh wow, And I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Why why would he do that?

Speaker 3 (54:50):
For funds?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Silly goose, Yeah, that's pretty silly.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
That was the last one I had for Trivia, though.

Speaker 6 (54:58):
I had a couple people that were up for other roles.
It's turned out that the character Eddie Dane was originally
written for Peter Storm Mayor, who you know as the
Psycho guy in Fargo, and was to be named the
Swede Story. Mayor had to decline as he was appearing

(55:20):
as Hamlet in the Broadway production, and then they re
wrote it Yeah, yes, and became the Dane.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
It looks like the character of Leo was written.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
For Trey Wilson, who played Nathan Arizona Senior in the
Cohen's previous film Raising Arizona. Wilson died shortly before production
began Cross.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
So that's good. That's good Cross. So yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:50):
Then Albert Finnie took over the role, which you know
worked out.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
You have to have a backup. Albert is a pretty good.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
It was a good backup.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
That's wild.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
Then some big names apparently auditioned to play Verna. Julia
Roberts to me Moore and Jennifer.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Jason Lee, they all could have done it.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
I think it would have been very different, for sure.
For sure. Yeah, I don't know if Julia Robers could
do that.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Yeah, that was the I said that, and then I
was like, well, maybe not her. I think the other's good.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
She's just too lovely, and Marcia gay Harden is very lovely.
But I just can't. I can't. I just can't picture
Julia Robers.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
To the flashing out because of La.

Speaker 7 (56:36):
I'm sorry, Julia. I couldn't see Julia playing a lady
of the night.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Well, that's interesting when you say it that way. It's
more of the personality. Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 7 (56:52):
Picture like a wholesomeness to her.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Yeah, well I could see Jennifer Jason Lee doing that
really well.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Absolutely, maybe to me more.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
But I thought Marshall Harden was great.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
She was wonderful.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
That's why she got the part. That was all I
had aid. Did you have any other fun things?

Speaker 7 (57:10):
Yeah, it's quite trivia, but I like the fact that
the city isn't specified, and there's sort of mixed messages
on where they are. New Orleans, you know, at one
point and they say, like send something out to the palisades,
which both LA and New York City have palisades, And

(57:32):
then there was a Chicago reference. Well the voting, the
voting six times is a very historically Chicago thing. And
then apparently there's a calendar at some point that it
says Philadelphia on it in there, and so, you know,
I think it's intentionally this, you know, sort of un
like name city, which which is a fun little brain tickler.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I just assume it's up
in the New York area when I watch it, But
what what do they say that they just leave it vague.

Speaker 7 (58:06):
There's there's yeah, they don't say yeah. Sometimes the city
is just a city.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah, nice, nice, and sometimes it's not. That's pretty great.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
I love that, and I did, I guess, also touch
on touching on some of the symbolism as well. I
saw pointed out like the desks and desks being like
a place of power exchange, whether you're sitting across from
the next to each other, where Tom often is. And
then there's the scene where Johnny kicks the mayor out
of his own seat at his desk and out of

(58:37):
his office, and so another you know who's really in
power here thing? And so it was fun to watch
that back with that in mind. The desk play.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Nice, yeah, big big desk, desk, play guy over here, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
Loves desk plays problem really anything? Those are fun, man,
Did you have anything else or is that it?

Speaker 7 (59:01):
I think that was it? Let me see here, Yeah,
just just the visuals. I suppose. Another idea that I
enjoyed was, you know, the fixing of fights and how
Tom wouldn't participate in that because that's you know, he
didn't want the advantage. He's playing it straight there. But
the implication that he's playing a fixed game in life,
right where the morals are sort of upside down, you know,

(59:24):
and the way you get ahead is by removing that hat,
removing those morals, and and that's really when he saves
himself when he does the double crossing, and you know,
the lies is pretty much to save his life, whether
it's creating the scene at the end where he gets
the guys there to kill each other end up dead
at least, and you know, just lying to various people.

(59:47):
Of course in the movie, it's interesting that that's his
like what saves him?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah, that's great, nice man voice. Judgment Day. Will there
be a sequel?

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Uh no, no, it was The Britney Spears movie is
like the line, that's probably better.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
It's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
What's it called the Crossroads? The Britney Spears.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
The Britney Spears when I was like, yeah, that wouldn't
that be funny if that had something to do with
this at all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
They're the same universe for sure. We can all agree,
don't look into it. Probably not, probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think so agreed. Well, then do
you guys want to play a game?

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
Okay, good, because I made a starting five I'm gonna
name my five favorite actors from a film.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
When you know the film, you're going to ring in
with your name.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
If you get it wrong, there won't be any negative points,
but you won't be able to guess again for that movie.
If their actors' names remaining, you can guess those for
a point each. The other person can steal if you
get any of those names. All of these films have
something in common. When you know the theme, you can
ring in at anytime for a point. It's not as

(01:01:09):
easy of a theme as I usually do. So put
on your thinking caps.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
I don't know every one of those. It's okay, t
give me a nice cap though. When I was one,
Oh you weren't there? Probably for that? Oh no, did
you see my fun Wiener dog hat? Yeah? I wore
for the report I did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
It was a great hat. I love it. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Abe has a great hat on right now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
What's on that I can't see?

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:01:38):
It's made famous, at least in my world by Jerry
Garcia's guitar. One of his guitars had that sticker on it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
So nice.

Speaker 7 (01:01:48):
Got a parking lot of a Dead Company show?

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Yeah, yeah you did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
He's not sick of the high hat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
This guy, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
What I all?

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:01:59):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
The first name, are we ready? Yes, Julianne Moore mm hmm.
The second name Steve Buscemi. The third name Philip s
maw Hoffman Abebowski is correct. You have two names remaining.

Speaker 7 (01:02:29):
So we'll have Jeff Bridges correct, and said Julian Moore.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Tara Reid, Oh that is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I'm gonna give you a half a point because that's wonderful.
That is wonderful.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
That's not who I picked, though, it's way more obvious. Bugs, mister.
It's but we're gonna give abe two and a half
on that half two and a half. You got yourself one.
You guys are both on the board, and that is
how we roll. Here comes number two. The first name

(01:03:09):
is Andy Serkis. The second name is Colin Ferrell. The
third name Jeffrey Wright. The fourth name is Zoe Kravitz.
The fifth and final name is Robert Pattinson. Oh, Bukes, Bukes,

(01:03:38):
the Batman, The Batman, the Batman is correct. Yes, nicely done.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
I forgot Circus was in that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah he was Alfred.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
That's right the one time. Yeah, yeah, I am right,
I said one time.

Speaker 7 (01:03:52):
Two.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Yeah, nice.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
Let's go to number three. The first name is Martin
and now the second name Gretchen Mole.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
She might be a gun mole. The third name.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Ed Nor Mukes should get Rounders, Rounders.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
Two names remaining, Oh, two names I've said Martin Lando,
Gretchen gun.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Male and ed Norton met damon me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
John Tatua, Oh, no, that is incorrect. Don't say it
a face, John, Yeah. John Malkovitch, Oh, that's fun. That's
just fun.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
That's fun. I was like, because I was like, oh,
would have thought Edward Norton would have been later, not
so early?

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
But no, dude, John Malcovitch, you got to pick, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah, good job, abe.

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
And Edran's is such as He's just really is. Do
we know what the theme is yet? After The Big Lebowski,
The Batman and Rounders.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I'd be impressed if you got it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Movies featuring people who are bad at gambling.

Speaker 6 (01:05:21):
No, it's not that. Let's go number four. The first
name is Holly Hunter Hunter Hunter.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I don't know why I did it that way. The
second name is John Goodman.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
The third name Tim Blake Nelson Bukes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Oh, brother, where art thou right here? Brother?

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
Yes, that is correct. You got two names remaining, mister Clooney.
Your first name.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
George Clinney.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
There you go. Did you really well?

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
I didn't think I was. I thought I knew it,
and then I got scared. I don't know what happened.
I didn't like it. I'll tell you that much. Is
this one to John?

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
It is John? Yeah, so that's three points from you.
It's nicely done, Nicks. Yeah, this movie is where.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
The friend isn't wrong, he's just an asshole.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
That's great, that's great.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
It's not right, but it's great. Number five. First name
is Christopher McDonald.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Who plays Shooter mcavan.

Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
That is him Hank Azariah. Third name is mir Sorvino.
The fourth name is the aforementioned John Toturo.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
From the fifth and final name is Ray Fine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Oh abe abe.

Speaker 7 (01:07:09):
That's a quiz show.

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
Nicely done. Wow, the Robert Redford directed quiz show. And
it is a fantastic movie show.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
What the hell is the You.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Gotta check it out, dude. I think it was even
up for Best Picture that year.

Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Yeah, it was really really well done.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
I'm trying to think of this theme. I don't understand
what themes?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Yeah? Well, number six. The first name, Oh where are
we after five?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Abe has four and a half. I have seven.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
This is close, This is close, and I like it.
Number six. The first name is Anthony Anderson and the
second name is Tyrese Gibson. The third name is Josh Dumela.

(01:08:02):
The fourth name Megan.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Fox, where A Bukes, Bukes, Transformers, Transformers, and one name remaining,
Sheila Beef.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
That is correct. Nicely done, the gift of Beef. Two
more points. Let's go Number seven.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
First name Heather Graham, second.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Name Woody Harrelson. Number three Marisito May Number four Adam Sandler.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
On.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
The fifth and final name.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Jack Nicholson, Bukes, Bukes, Anger Management, Anger Management.

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
Nicely done. He's going away with it. We've got to
get you back in name. I know, I don't number.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
What is this theme?

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Isn't it a fun theme? YEH? Can't figure it out?
You don't know, I don't. You just don't know. I'm right.
The first name is Jared Harris, the son of Richard Harris.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Oh yeah, that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
They have the same.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Voice and it's really crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
The second name is Peter Gallagher. The third name is
John Tutruro.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Again again, I have one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
I want to guess, but I'm scared.

Speaker 6 (01:09:43):
The fourth name is when Nona Ryder, Damn, I should
have done it. Biggs, mister Deeds, mister Deed's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
And what's the last?

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Adam Sandler?

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Adam Sandler. Do we think we're any closer to a theme?

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
I don't even have an idea.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Maybe you got anything?

Speaker 7 (01:10:06):
I have a blank?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Okay again, I did it a little yeah, big yep.

Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
Oh brother art though quiz show, Transformers, Anger Management, mister Deeds,
I will say, oh, it's actor related, huh. And I
haven't listed an actor in every single time that had

(01:10:38):
every single movie, but but he.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Has been He's this person has been mentioned in some
of them, or one of them at.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
Least correct Gotcharet correct. So it's a little trickier. Let's
go to number nine. This one's pretty out there. I'm
going to be impressed, you guys, I'm going to be impressed.
The first name is ned Baby. The second name is
Rosario Dawson. The third name is Mila Djovovich m The

(01:11:17):
fourth name ray Allen.

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
Oh abe, that's a he got game, he Got game?

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
And one name Ormain.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Ellen good lord, I'm dumb.

Speaker 7 (01:11:30):
Good soundtrack too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Denzel's in that Denzel Man two for Abe?

Speaker 6 (01:11:39):
All right, and where are we going into the last one?

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
I have twelve, Abe has six and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Oh where you can win? But with the theme. Okay,
do anybody want to guess?

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
I don't even have an idea? So yeah, Steve buy movies.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
No, no, it's not Steve Bmi. But that's not a
bad guess.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
It's not too movies.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
It's Tataro movies. You just got another point. Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:12:13):
John turo is in every single one of those movies.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
But I didn't always pick him because I wanted to
be like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
That is very sneaky. Yeah, very very sneaky.

Speaker 6 (01:12:23):
I was very sneaky, mister, Yes, yes, very nice. Best
part of that movie for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Oh yeah, that's not a great film.

Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
No, no, no, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Last one. The first name Steve Bummy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
The second name Tony Shaloub, oh himself.

Speaker 6 (01:12:51):
The third name John Mahoney, also a TV star, but
he was Fraser's dad.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Oh, okay, thank you, that's John Mahoney. Yep, place that name.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
The fourth name is the aforementioned John Goodman.

Speaker 7 (01:13:13):
Oh hey, because is in it too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
That's the last name and it's parton thinking to boys.
That's that was a close game, you guys. It was
really good trick. It was a little tricks like it.
But Bugs, what was the final score?

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
I had? Thirteen had eight and a half? Everybody won.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
It was close.

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
It was close, a valiant, valiant effort, buddy, Yeah, did
a good job, my man. The bonuses, yeah, you did
a good job. The bonuses were the color of money,
which I didn't know. John Toturo was in another one,
desperately seeking Susan.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Did you guys either want to say that? It wasn't
a musical, but it does feature Madonna? Madonna?

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
No, I never saw that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:03):
And his very first credit on IMDb is Raging Bull.
Really John Ceturo, Wow, how old is he he? It
sounds like he was just like I don't even think
he was actually credited, Like, oh, sure it says he's
uncredited because he's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Such a small extra or something exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah, yeah, but that was great.

Speaker 6 (01:14:28):
And Bugs, you're gonna tell us our top five movie drunks.
You're gonna tell us how that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Draft is going to go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
I will that's just going to be for our patrons,
just for patrons. If you only hear that, go to
Patreon dot com slash the abbad indors Man also Desperately
Seeking Susan is a musical, but not maybe the one
you were talking about. Apparently it's a I only know
because it was talked about. People loved it. It's a
musical set to Blondie's Backcad Luck and it was a
nineteen eighty five movie. Apparently, I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
I'm talking about the nineteen eighty five movie that's kind
of like a not musical mystery.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
I mean, there's a music in it, but it's not
a musical.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
No, I don't know why that's important to just stuck
in my head. I don't know why. I will say
how we're going to do the drunken movie draft. We're
not gonna be drunk, We're gonna be drafting drunks. So
it should be fun, it should be a good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Time, should be good time. If you got him, you
got him.

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much for hanging with us here today.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Supply are the best happy to be here, good man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Yeah, I guess that doesn't today. For Miller's crossing.

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