July 25, 2025 • 21 mins
In this dynamic episode, Pastor Mike Signorelli sits down with Prophet Jeremiah Johnson for a deep dive into New Covenant prophecy—what it is, how it functions, and how to walk in it with maturity, humility, and biblical alignment.
Whether you're just beginning to sense a prophetic call or you've been operating in it for years, this conversation will challenge misconceptions, expose Old Covenant mindsets, and equip you to grow in your prophetic anointing without falling into the common traps of pride, isolation, or deception.
🔑 Key Topics Include:
- Can anyone prophesy? Who is called to prophetic ministry?
- The difference between Old Covenant and New Covenant prophecy
- Why accountability, local church connection, and humility are non-negotiable
- How to endure rejection and wilderness seasons as training, not punishment
- The dangers of prophetic pride, isolation, and spiritual manipulation
💬 “New Covenant prophets don’t raise up dependents—they teach others how to hear God for themselves.”
If you're ready to walk in the prophetic with greater clarity, character, and Christ-centered purpose, this episode is for you.
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Get Cleansing and Igniting the Prophetic: An Urgent Wake-Up Call by Jeremiah Johnson → https://www.amazon.com/dp/0768446236
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(00:33):
I'm just so overwhelmed withjoy to be able to have this conversation.
We're going to talk about theessentials of the prophetic today.
And so, Jeremiah, welcome tothe broadcast.
Hey Mike, thanks so much forhaving me on.
Looking forward to talkingtoday with you.
You've been operating in theprophetic for some time now.
And so really I've got peoplethat are being trained all around
the world.
(00:53):
And you know, for them, maybethey attended churches where they
didn't believe that the giftsof the Spirit were even in operation,
or maybe they were told by thepastor, you know, we have one designated
that prophesies and it's not you.
And so for the people that arebeing raised up in this hour, I just
want to give you some time totalk and just share.
(01:15):
What are the essentials thatyou would say, hey, listen, there's
an infinite amount ofresources and videos and an infinite
amount of people that all have opinions.
But as somebody who Ipersonally trust and I followed your
ministry for years, you know,what would you say?
Hey, these are the essentials?
Yeah, a couple of things thatcome to mind.
(01:35):
I think it's really importantas we just begin a conversation to
recognize that there's adifference between Old Covenant prophecy
and New Covenant prophecy.
I don't think that a lot ofpeople understand that.
So when you talk about, youknow, the Old Testament, underneath
an Old Covenant, you hadprophets who were the singular voice
(01:58):
of God to a nation.
In other words, the HolySpirit didn't dwell within man, he
dwelled upon man.
And so in order to get adirect word from God, most of the
time, unless God himself justshowed up like he did with Abraham
or others, the kings wouldseek out prophets for a word from
the Lord.
(02:18):
So in other words, they were amediator between God and man.
So that's Old Testament prophetic.
In the New Testament, JesusChrist has become the mediator that
between God and man.
In other words, prophets orprophetic people in the New Covenant
no longer hold the kind ofauthority that they did in the Old
(02:42):
Covenant.
So it's really important Itell people the blood of Jesus has
banned feeding tube Christianity.
In other words, we've got tomake sure as New Testament prophetic
people that we recognize wedefinitely have a role to encourage
and comfort people and bring strength.
You know, if God has calledyou to a, to the prophetic, you know,
(03:05):
ministry, you're a NewTestament prophet.
Even there.
You know, you have, you know,you offer direction, correction and
prediction, primarily those three.
But you have to recognize therole that you have is different than
that of an Old Covenant prophet.
So you hear people makestatements like, like where are the
Jeremiah's, the Isaiah's ears equals?
(03:27):
I'm like, they're dead.
I mean, I, I get what they're saying.
But that kind of authority inthe New Testament church is no longer
necessary.
Jesus is the mediator betweenGod and man.
And if, and if someone isfunctioning as a New Testament prophet,
their number one role is notjust to give you a word, it's to
(03:51):
teach you how to hear a word.
And so again, there's thatheavy dependence upon prophets and
Old Covenant that now in theNew Covenant we prophesy, but we
teach people how to hear andobey God.
So that's something that comesto me, I think is super important.
Secondly, I would also saythat in the Old Covenant, again,
(04:13):
I'm still going back to thisissue because so much of the confusion
that's available in thecurrent prophetic movement, I really
believe is centered on themisunderstanding of Old Coven and
New Covenant.
So Old Covenant, there's aprimary role of voice to the nation.
New Covenant, we've got Jesus.
The Holy Spirit leads andguides us into all truth.
(04:36):
Secondly, I would say that inOld Testament, prophets were for
the most part unaccountable.
They wandered around in caves.
They weren't well connected.
They just kind of dropped theword of the Lord in and then dropped
out again.
In the New Covenant, we havenow been established and invited
(04:56):
into the family of God.
So what I tell people isprophets and prophetic.
People in the Old Covenantwere cave dwellers.
Now in the New Covenant, we'vebeen invited to a family, to a dining
room table where we no longerhave permission to isolate.
A lot of the problem in thecurrent prophetic movement is it's
(05:19):
just kind of like, I'm aprophet, I'm a prophetic person.
No one understands me.
I operate in rejection.
And all church leadership arePharisees and of the devil.
All of that kind of rhetoricand mindset is rooted in Old Covenant
concepts.
So I very, very much believethat one of the primary issues in
(05:41):
modern day prophetic ministryis we are operating out of an Old
Covenant mindset concerningthe prophetic and we don't understand
New Testament reality.
So if you are a prophet orprophetic person, it's like especially
the prophets, right?
You are called to equip thebody for the work of ministry.
(06:03):
How can you equip a body ifyou're disconnected from, from them?
So when I talk to prophets,where do you attend church?
Who, what are you building or.
Or who is the person you'rehelping to build?
They just kind of look at you crazy.
And again, kind of that crazythat comes on them is they have a
(06:23):
crazy mindset rooted in acovenant that now long, that is now
fulfilled in Christ Jesus.
So, Mike, I know we can talkmore, but those two things, like,
are so essential.
Understanding your role as aprophet or prophetic person in the
body is to point people toJesus, is to teach people how to
(06:45):
hear and obey, obey the voiceof God for themselves.
We're not supposed to beraising up a codependent.
You gotta sow a seed.
You gotta fund my ministry orI'm not prophesying to you, that's
bogus.
And then we've got to get loneranger mentalities.
These wandering, wanderings,wounded prophetic people that don't
(07:08):
believe in the local church.
They don't believe thatthey're a part of a team.
We've got to.
We've got to get over that sothat we can get healthy in the prophetic.
Wow, this is so good.
You know, let's just unpackthis a little bit, because what do
you think happens in someone'sheart for them to say, I'm wounded
(07:28):
and I'm just not going to trythe local church again?
Is it that we're living in anera where there aren't that many
local churches that canincubate the prophetic and help grow?
You know, as a lead pastormyself, I'll be honest with you,
Sometimes I do feel like, man,it is rare to even pastor a church
that appreciates the propheticin other people.
And so I know there's a lot ofwoundedness in there.
(07:50):
You probably triggered a lotof people with what you just said.
So how could we turn this intoa healing moment?
I mean, what would you say tosomeone who's like, I know what you're
saying is the truth, but.
Cause, you know, Jeremiah, Iread all the comments, and so many
people are like, I know thatin my head, but I'm so wounded.
If you could see the scars,you know, how do I take that next
(08:12):
step?
What does that look like?
Yeah, I think honestly, peopleget set free with the truth.
I mean, Mike, I have honestlyprobably, to date, trained at least
10,000.
That's 10,000.
I've ministered in over 500churches, over 10,000 prophetic people.
If you got us all in a room,we're all going to say the same thing.
(08:35):
Because the profile ofprophetic people is you have to accept
that you will Drink the cup ofrejection on your way to prophetic
maturity.
(09:54):
A lot of prophets andprophetic people, we don't want to,
we don't want to receive that.
When you start talking to manyof us, you were rejected by your
family.
Sometimes there's supernaturalbirth experiences.
You were certainly thrown awayby the local church.
But my thing, Mike, is we haveto keep our eyes on Jesus.
(10:15):
He that was without sin.
I, I oftentimes say we have noright to judge and criticize the
church unless we're willing todie for her.
So a lot of this like again,it's just like, I get it, we've all
been rejected.
We've all been wounded, we'veall served our Saul.
But remember, you served Saulto get Saul out of you.
(10:39):
In other words, we're on ajourney as prophetic people, just
willing.
You are going to get rejected.
You are going to be misunderstood.
But this is part of yourtraining for love.
Jesus Christ died for love.
He.
There was nothing he didwrong, there was no dirt on him,
but he still chose to love.
(10:59):
So Mike, I hear it.
I've trained them, I've walkedwith them.
Every true prophetic callperson is gonna go to the wilderness
as part of their calling.
But not everybody gets out.
In other words, many, many arecalled, few are chosen.
In other words, many arecalled to the prophetic ministry
(11:21):
where you're going to drinkthat cup of rejection.
But very few walk in forgiveness.
Very few learn how to heal.
And again, who's our example?
Jesus Christ, King of Kings,Lord of Lords.
He walked this out as thegreatest prophet who ever lived.
And he invites prophets andprophetic people today to drink that
(11:42):
cup of rejection and againrealize a lot of people.
I would love to tell peoplelistening today, hey, God's going
to send you to a great church.
They're going to love the prophetic.
That's not true.
Actually, God is going to senda lot of people.
He is going to send you toSauls, he is going to send you to
assemblies and places that aregoing to crush you.
(12:04):
They're going to hurt you,they're going to persecute you.
And it's in those trials andtribulations you have an opportunity
to bear with the sufferings ofChrist and learn how to walk in a
pure prophetic flow.
Jeremiah, I've been studyingthe prophetic for over 30 years now.
That stretch of an answer wasthe most profound, profound answer
(12:27):
I have ever heard.
I mean, the whole time I wasthinking, you just saved some people,
decades, you just saved somepeople years if they'll let that
get in their spirit.
I mean, this is just so rich,y' all.
You know, here's the thing.
I think the biggest emphasiswith the prophetic is always accuracy.
Right?
How can I be.
Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy.
(12:48):
I think what I hear you sayingis that New Covenant prophecy is
more about being integratedinto the body.
And it's more about yourposition than it is about your accuracy,
if that makes sense.
Because, you know, trying tomigrate somebody into integration
where you are a part ofsomething, you're building something,
there's a legacy connected toit of the body of Christ.
(13:09):
And so what would you say tothose who are like, okay, I get it.
I'm really watching this rightnow because I wanna learn how to
become more accurate.
I'm not getting the answer Iwant, which is often how God responds.
Cause I think we're dealingwith character issues right now.
But what would you say about accuracy?
Yeah, I think it's going backto that misunderstanding of covenants.
(13:30):
You know, in the Old Covenant,when people would prophesy it wasn't
a hundred percent accurate,they would stone them.
And if you go and look at thatDeuteronomy passage that most people
quote about stoning falseprophets, when it's talking about
false, it's talking aboutprophets who intentionally.
(13:50):
In other words, there's amotivation in their heart that's
trying to lead people awayfrom Jesus.
In a New Covenant, I.
I quote First Corinthians 14,it says, Let two or three prophets
speak and let the others judge.
So in the Old Covenant,prophecy was infallible because it
(14:12):
was the very words of God.
But in the New Covenant,prophecy is absolutely fallible.
Prove it.
Why do two or three prophetshave to judge another prophet?
Prophet's words.
If the words a hundred percentaccurate, it's not.
Or in First Thessalonians 5,when it talks about prophecy, it
(14:35):
says, let everybody go, butthen hold on to that which is good.
In other words, not everyprophecy that prophesies is good.
So, Mike, I would say the goalis not accuracy, although we should
have a high standard.
We should.
My thing is, I don't look atsomebody as a true prophet necessarily
(14:55):
because they prophesied ahundred percent accurate.
I look at true prophets aspeople that prophesy accurately,
but if they miss it, theyrepent, they own it, they walk in
humility versus we're like,oh, they prophesied something.
It didn't come to pass.
They're false.
I think they're more false ifthey operate in pride and arrogance.
(15:18):
And refuse to own it versuswalking in humility and say, you
know what, I'm dying to my reputation.
I missed it.
And again, it's all about Jesus.
I'm.
Half the time I'm like, thank God.
I don't know any prophets thatare 100% accurate.
(16:29):
And you know what, I thank Godfor that because it brings me into
alignment with it's all aboutJesus, only he is 100% accurate.
So I don't think the goal isaccuracy, although it's very, very
important.
I think the goal is humility.
It's being conn to family andserving the body of Christ like Jesus.
(16:52):
Oh, this has just been so good.
I know that right now I couldjust tell you there are going to
be many people saying this wastoo short.
We need to hear more.
The good news is you are aprolific writer.
And so I want to encourageeverybody, if you want to continue
this conversation, you need toknow that he is equipping the saints,
equipping the body.
And there's one book inparticular that we had talked about.
(17:13):
I'd love for you to just telleverybody about it so they can go
a little bit deeper on thisjourney and give you guys an opportunity
to really continue your learning.
Yeah.
I wrote a book calledCleansing and Igniting the Prophetic.
And the subtitle is An UrgentWake up Call.
And I dedicated the book toLeonard Ravenhill and David Wilkerson,
(17:37):
two of my heroes.
There's so much more.
I mean, for me, Mike, as Itold you, I could could talk hours
and hours and hours on these subjects.
But if you're wanting to divedeeper, there is a cleansing, there
is a purging, there is almosta reset happening in the prophetic
movement.
And that's why people are on today.
You're asking questions, youwant knowledge.
(17:59):
God is highlighting propheticministry because he wants to call
forth a generation offirebrand messengers who are going
to prophesy out of humilityand character and really hit the
mark.
So check out that book.
Yeah, you've gotta get that book.
I've got so many more questions.
I know we're gonna have tohave you back round two so we can
(18:20):
go a little bit deeper on that.
But if we were to do just likea rapid fire 60 second, what are
some essential do's and don'ts?
Like, is there anything thatyou're like, okay, I've got literally
tens of thousands of peoplewho are watching this and if I could
just tell the kingdom, don'tdo this, or make sure that you do
this.
If there's anything off thetop of your head or at the forefront
(18:41):
of your spirit, I wanted togive you an opportunity to do that.
Yeah.
Just real quickly.
If you're called as a prophetor a prophetic person, do not isolate
yourself.
You have to understand that you.
You're going to be rejected.
But you do not have to operateout of a spirit of rejection.
(19:02):
You need to know that theenemy of the prophetic is Jezebel.
There is a great warconcerning hearing and obeying God.
And the spirit of Jezebel willtarget you and try to keep you from
hearing and obeying God.
I would also say be aware ofyour tendencies.
(19:23):
Do not ignore what you feel,the burden that you're carrying.
And then I would say, do notoperate in bitterness.
Do not operate, operate in unforgiveness.
Do walk in humility, love and forgiveness.
And last thing, you need mentoring.
You have to have fathering andmothering in the prophetic to make
(19:46):
it through the wilderness.
I would say, at all costs, ifyou're a prophet, prophetic person,
seek wisdom, seek mentoring,seek mothering and fathering.
It saved my life, and Ibelieve it will save yours.
I'm just so overwhelmed withjoy to be able to have this conversation.
We're going to talk about theessentials of the prophetic today.
And so, Jeremiah, welcome tothe broadcast.
Hey Mike, thanks so much forhaving me on.
Looking forward to talkingtoday with you.
You've been operating in theprophetic for some time now.
And so really I've got peoplethat are being trained all around
the world.
(00:53):
And you know, for them, maybethey attended churches where they
didn't believe that the giftsof the Spirit were even in operation,
or maybe they were told by thepastor, you know, we have one designated
that prophesies and it's not you.
And so for the people that arebeing raised up in this hour, I just
want to give you some time totalk and just share.
(01:15):
What are the essentials thatyou would say, hey, listen, there's
an infinite amount ofresources and videos and an infinite
amount of people that all have opinions.
But as somebody who Ipersonally trust and I followed your
ministry for years, you know,what would you say?
Hey, these are the essentials?
Yeah, a couple of things thatcome to mind.
(01:35):
I think it's really importantas we just begin a conversation to
recognize that there's adifference between Old Covenant prophecy
and New Covenant prophecy.
I don't think that a lot ofpeople understand that.
So when you talk about, youknow, the Old Testament, underneath
an Old Covenant, you hadprophets who were the singular voice
(01:58):
of God to a nation.
In other words, the HolySpirit didn't dwell within man, he
dwelled upon man.
And so in order to get adirect word from God, most of the
time, unless God himself justshowed up like he did with Abraham
or others, the kings wouldseek out prophets for a word from
the Lord.
(02:18):
So in other words, they were amediator between God and man.
So that's Old Testament prophetic.
In the New Testament, JesusChrist has become the mediator that
between God and man.
In other words, prophets orprophetic people in the New Covenant
no longer hold the kind ofauthority that they did in the Old
(02:42):
Covenant.
So it's really important Itell people the blood of Jesus has
banned feeding tube Christianity.
In other words, we've got tomake sure as New Testament prophetic
people that we recognize wedefinitely have a role to encourage
and comfort people and bring strength.
You know, if God has calledyou to a, to the prophetic, you know,
(03:05):
ministry, you're a NewTestament prophet.
Even there.
You know, you have, you know,you offer direction, correction and
prediction, primarily those three.
But you have to recognize therole that you have is different than
that of an Old Covenant prophet.
So you hear people makestatements like, like where are the
Jeremiah's, the Isaiah's ears equals?
(03:27):
I'm like, they're dead.
I mean, I, I get what they're saying.
But that kind of authority inthe New Testament church is no longer
necessary.
Jesus is the mediator betweenGod and man.
And if, and if someone isfunctioning as a New Testament prophet,
their number one role is notjust to give you a word, it's to
(03:51):
teach you how to hear a word.
And so again, there's thatheavy dependence upon prophets and
Old Covenant that now in theNew Covenant we prophesy, but we
teach people how to hear andobey God.
So that's something that comesto me, I think is super important.
Secondly, I would also saythat in the Old Covenant, again,
(04:13):
I'm still going back to thisissue because so much of the confusion
that's available in thecurrent prophetic movement, I really
believe is centered on themisunderstanding of Old Coven and
New Covenant.
So Old Covenant, there's aprimary role of voice to the nation.
New Covenant, we've got Jesus.
The Holy Spirit leads andguides us into all truth.
(04:36):
Secondly, I would say that inOld Testament, prophets were for
the most part unaccountable.
They wandered around in caves.
They weren't well connected.
They just kind of dropped theword of the Lord in and then dropped
out again.
In the New Covenant, we havenow been established and invited
(04:56):
into the family of God.
So what I tell people isprophets and prophetic.
People in the Old Covenantwere cave dwellers.
Now in the New Covenant, we'vebeen invited to a family, to a dining
room table where we no longerhave permission to isolate.
A lot of the problem in thecurrent prophetic movement is it's
(05:19):
just kind of like, I'm aprophet, I'm a prophetic person.
No one understands me.
I operate in rejection.
And all church leadership arePharisees and of the devil.
All of that kind of rhetoricand mindset is rooted in Old Covenant
concepts.
So I very, very much believethat one of the primary issues in
(05:41):
modern day prophetic ministryis we are operating out of an Old
Covenant mindset concerningthe prophetic and we don't understand
New Testament reality.
So if you are a prophet orprophetic person, it's like especially
the prophets, right?
You are called to equip thebody for the work of ministry.
(06:03):
How can you equip a body ifyou're disconnected from, from them?
So when I talk to prophets,where do you attend church?
Who, what are you building or.
Or who is the person you'rehelping to build?
They just kind of look at you crazy.
And again, kind of that crazythat comes on them is they have a
(06:23):
crazy mindset rooted in acovenant that now long, that is now
fulfilled in Christ Jesus.
So, Mike, I know we can talkmore, but those two things, like,
are so essential.
Understanding your role as aprophet or prophetic person in the
body is to point people toJesus, is to teach people how to
(06:45):
hear and obey, obey the voiceof God for themselves.
We're not supposed to beraising up a codependent.
You gotta sow a seed.
You gotta fund my ministry orI'm not prophesying to you, that's
bogus.
And then we've got to get loneranger mentalities.
These wandering, wanderings,wounded prophetic people that don't
(07:08):
believe in the local church.
They don't believe thatthey're a part of a team.
We've got to.
We've got to get over that sothat we can get healthy in the prophetic.
Wow, this is so good.
You know, let's just unpackthis a little bit, because what do
you think happens in someone'sheart for them to say, I'm wounded
(07:28):
and I'm just not going to trythe local church again?
Is it that we're living in anera where there aren't that many
local churches that canincubate the prophetic and help grow?
You know, as a lead pastormyself, I'll be honest with you,
Sometimes I do feel like, man,it is rare to even pastor a church
that appreciates the propheticin other people.
And so I know there's a lot ofwoundedness in there.
(07:50):
You probably triggered a lotof people with what you just said.
So how could we turn this intoa healing moment?
I mean, what would you say tosomeone who's like, I know what you're
saying is the truth, but.
Cause, you know, Jeremiah, Iread all the comments, and so many
people are like, I know thatin my head, but I'm so wounded.
If you could see the scars,you know, how do I take that next
(08:12):
step?
What does that look like?
Yeah, I think honestly, peopleget set free with the truth.
I mean, Mike, I have honestlyprobably, to date, trained at least
10,000.
That's 10,000.
I've ministered in over 500churches, over 10,000 prophetic people.
If you got us all in a room,we're all going to say the same thing.
(08:35):
Because the profile ofprophetic people is you have to accept
that you will Drink the cup ofrejection on your way to prophetic
maturity.
(09:54):
A lot of prophets andprophetic people, we don't want to,
we don't want to receive that.
When you start talking to manyof us, you were rejected by your
family.
Sometimes there's supernaturalbirth experiences.
You were certainly thrown awayby the local church.
But my thing, Mike, is we haveto keep our eyes on Jesus.
(10:15):
He that was without sin.
I, I oftentimes say we have noright to judge and criticize the
church unless we're willing todie for her.
So a lot of this like again,it's just like, I get it, we've all
been rejected.
We've all been wounded, we'veall served our Saul.
But remember, you served Saulto get Saul out of you.
(10:39):
In other words, we're on ajourney as prophetic people, just
willing.
You are going to get rejected.
You are going to be misunderstood.
But this is part of yourtraining for love.
Jesus Christ died for love.
He.
There was nothing he didwrong, there was no dirt on him,
but he still chose to love.
(10:59):
So Mike, I hear it.
I've trained them, I've walkedwith them.
Every true prophetic callperson is gonna go to the wilderness
as part of their calling.
But not everybody gets out.
In other words, many, many arecalled, few are chosen.
In other words, many arecalled to the prophetic ministry
(11:21):
where you're going to drinkthat cup of rejection.
But very few walk in forgiveness.
Very few learn how to heal.
And again, who's our example?
Jesus Christ, King of Kings,Lord of Lords.
He walked this out as thegreatest prophet who ever lived.
And he invites prophets andprophetic people today to drink that
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cup of rejection and againrealize a lot of people.
I would love to tell peoplelistening today, hey, God's going
to send you to a great church.
They're going to love the prophetic.
That's not true.
Actually, God is going to senda lot of people.
He is going to send you toSauls, he is going to send you to
assemblies and places that aregoing to crush you.
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They're going to hurt you,they're going to persecute you.
And it's in those trials andtribulations you have an opportunity
to bear with the sufferings ofChrist and learn how to walk in a
pure prophetic flow.
Jeremiah, I've been studyingthe prophetic for over 30 years now.
That stretch of an answer wasthe most profound, profound answer
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I have ever heard.
I mean, the whole time I wasthinking, you just saved some people,
decades, you just saved somepeople years if they'll let that
get in their spirit.
I mean, this is just so rich,y' all.
You know, here's the thing.
I think the biggest emphasiswith the prophetic is always accuracy.
Right?
How can I be.
Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy.
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I think what I hear you sayingis that New Covenant prophecy is
more about being integratedinto the body.
And it's more about yourposition than it is about your accuracy,
if that makes sense.
Because, you know, trying tomigrate somebody into integration
where you are a part ofsomething, you're building something,
there's a legacy connected toit of the body of Christ.
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And so what would you say tothose who are like, okay, I get it.
I'm really watching this rightnow because I wanna learn how to
become more accurate.
I'm not getting the answer Iwant, which is often how God responds.
Cause I think we're dealingwith character issues right now.
But what would you say about accuracy?
Yeah, I think it's going backto that misunderstanding of covenants.
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You know, in the Old Covenant,when people would prophesy it wasn't
a hundred percent accurate,they would stone them.
And if you go and look at thatDeuteronomy passage that most people
quote about stoning falseprophets, when it's talking about
false, it's talking aboutprophets who intentionally.
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In other words, there's amotivation in their heart that's
trying to lead people awayfrom Jesus.
In a New Covenant, I.
I quote First Corinthians 14,it says, Let two or three prophets
speak and let the others judge.
So in the Old Covenant,prophecy was infallible because it
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was the very words of God.
But in the New Covenant,prophecy is absolutely fallible.
Prove it.
Why do two or three prophetshave to judge another prophet?
Prophet's words.
If the words a hundred percentaccurate, it's not.
Or in First Thessalonians 5,when it talks about prophecy, it
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says, let everybody go, butthen hold on to that which is good.
In other words, not everyprophecy that prophesies is good.
So, Mike, I would say the goalis not accuracy, although we should
have a high standard.
We should.
My thing is, I don't look atsomebody as a true prophet necessarily
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because they prophesied ahundred percent accurate.
I look at true prophets aspeople that prophesy accurately,
but if they miss it, theyrepent, they own it, they walk in
humility versus we're like,oh, they prophesied something.
It didn't come to pass.
They're false.
I think they're more false ifthey operate in pride and arrogance.
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And refuse to own it versuswalking in humility and say, you
know what, I'm dying to my reputation.
I missed it.
And again, it's all about Jesus.
I'm.
Half the time I'm like, thank God.
I don't know any prophets thatare 100% accurate.
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And you know what, I thank Godfor that because it brings me into
alignment with it's all aboutJesus, only he is 100% accurate.
So I don't think the goal isaccuracy, although it's very, very
important.
I think the goal is humility.
It's being conn to family andserving the body of Christ like Jesus.
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Oh, this has just been so good.
I know that right now I couldjust tell you there are going to
be many people saying this wastoo short.
We need to hear more.
The good news is you are aprolific writer.
And so I want to encourageeverybody, if you want to continue
this conversation, you need toknow that he is equipping the saints,
equipping the body.
And there's one book inparticular that we had talked about.
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I'd love for you to just telleverybody about it so they can go
a little bit deeper on thisjourney and give you guys an opportunity
to really continue your learning.
Yeah.
I wrote a book calledCleansing and Igniting the Prophetic.
And the subtitle is An UrgentWake up Call.
And I dedicated the book toLeonard Ravenhill and David Wilkerson,
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two of my heroes.
There's so much more.
I mean, for me, Mike, as Itold you, I could could talk hours
and hours and hours on these subjects.
But if you're wanting to divedeeper, there is a cleansing, there
is a purging, there is almosta reset happening in the prophetic
movement.
And that's why people are on today.
You're asking questions, youwant knowledge.
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God is highlighting propheticministry because he wants to call
forth a generation offirebrand messengers who are going
to prophesy out of humilityand character and really hit the
mark.
So check out that book.
Yeah, you've gotta get that book.
I've got so many more questions.
I know we're gonna have tohave you back round two so we can
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go a little bit deeper on that.
But if we were to do just likea rapid fire 60 second, what are
some essential do's and don'ts?
Like, is there anything thatyou're like, okay, I've got literally
tens of thousands of peoplewho are watching this and if I could
just tell the kingdom, don'tdo this, or make sure that you do
this.
If there's anything off thetop of your head or at the forefront
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of your spirit, I wanted togive you an opportunity to do that.
Yeah.
Just real quickly.
If you're called as a prophetor a prophetic person, do not isolate
yourself.
You have to understand that you.
You're going to be rejected.
But you do not have to operateout of a spirit of rejection.
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You need to know that theenemy of the prophetic is Jezebel.
There is a great warconcerning hearing and obeying God.
And the spirit of Jezebel willtarget you and try to keep you from
hearing and obeying God.
I would also say be aware ofyour tendencies.
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Do not ignore what you feel,the burden that you're carrying.
And then I would say, do notoperate in bitterness.
Do not operate, operate in unforgiveness.
Do walk in humility, love and forgiveness.
And last thing, you need mentoring.
You have to have fathering andmothering in the prophetic to make
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it through the wilderness.
I would say, at all costs, ifyou're a prophet, prophetic person,
seek wisdom, seek mentoring,seek mothering and fathering.
It saved my life, and Ibelieve it will save yours.
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