In one of the most raw and revealing conversations to date, Pastor Mike Signorelli sits down with Richard Matthews, Angela Scafidi, and Naela Rose—three bold voices who walked away from the New Age, witchcraft, and the LGBTQ lifestyle to follow Jesus Christ.
These aren't just stories of leaving something behind. They're testimonies of radical transformation, deliverance, and identity restored through the power of the Gospel.
What happens when:
- A blood witch encounters the blood of Jesus?
- A New Age guru surrenders to the true God?
- Someone who thought they knew who they were hears their Father say, “This is my beloved child in whom I am well pleased”?
🔥 You’re about to hear first-hand accounts of demonic deception, spiritual warfare, and the unmatched love of the Father that breaks every chain.
- Why witchcraft works—and why it ultimately enslaves you
- How blood rituals are a counterfeit of the cross
- Why the New Age movement and LGBT ideology both sell false identities
- What it means to truly inherit your identity through Christ, not invent one
- How joy, freedom, and peace follow surrender to Jesus
💥 These are not just stories—they’re spiritual warfare blueprints and proof of revival in a generation desperate for truth.
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- Richard’s Channel @richwithpassion
- Angela’s Channel @heavenandhealingpodcast
- Naela’s Channel @naelarose
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(00:33):
Hey, I'm so excited for you tojoin this conversation.
We are going to be talkingabout blood covenants, witchcraft,
I mean, sexuality.
I don't know what we're goingto get into, but I've got some really
incredible friends here.
Would you all be willing to goaround and give an introduction?
You want to start?
I'll start.
Hi, guys.
That's not my camera.
Love that.
(00:53):
For me, I'm Richard, AKARichie Rich.
Rg, rj.
All the things.
Son of God redeemed by theblood of the lamb.
And I have a YouTube channelpodcast called Redemption and came
out of the lifestyledenouncing LGBTQ and all the things.
And I'm married to Jesus.
And that's it.
Praise God.
(01:14):
I'll toss it over to you, Angela.
Okay, great.
The holy baton.
I'm Angela Scafidi, host ofHeaven and Healing podcast.
You can find that on YouTube.
I am an ex New Ager now, adaughter of the most high king, period.
Amen.
Period.
I love how professional we all are.
Camera one, I'm Nayla Rose.
(01:35):
I'm an ex blood witch and Iwas saved and redeemed by Jesus.
I had a radical encounter withhim face to face.
He transformed me and I am aborn again child of God.
Amen.
There's so much joy.
You know, it's not happinessbecause the world has happiness,
but I just.
There's joy.
You do too?
Yeah.
I'm always like, no, happinessis candy floss.
(01:55):
It's like the counterfeit ofjoy because happiness is this and
then joy is forever.
Yeah, that's it.
I would say, like, happinessis synthetic, you know, like, there's
a lot of enjoyment andsynthetic things like that candy
floss stuff.
Like synthetic clothes arefine, but it's not the real thing.
Like, you have somethingthat's authentic, organic.
It has, like, depth andquality and power, and it's just.
(02:16):
Yeah, I feel that.
It's like what they said inacts when Peter and them, after they
got dosed with the HolySpirit, they were like, oh, you're
drunk.
And you're like, I'm not drunk.
I have the Holy Spirit.
Imagine me being drunk.
Crazy, you know, imagine beingon crazy.
Because, like, you eachindividually have your own lives
with your own difficulties,but there's such a joy that came
out of you.
And, you know, just you.
(02:37):
You kind of started with yourstory and we ended with you.
And you.
You literally said just.
And I like how she said it wasmy ex blood witch.
And like, you.
You, like, smiled through it.
But God, God has doneSomething so special in your life.
And I feel like me and yougetting together was a long time
coming as well.
Would you mind sharing alittle bit more in depth about that?
Because I want to.
I want to talk about it.
(02:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's really incredible.
I mean, we were all about howyou get such a revelation of what
God redeemed you from.
He is the God of redemption.
Whatever you were in, he.
He just transforms and thenredeems that curse story.
And so for me, I was a blood witch.
And I can say that with asmile now because I'm just overflowing
with joy and gratitude that hesaved me out of that.
(03:20):
But I didn't realize exactlyhow dark and demonic what I was doing
was.
But essentially, I wasobsessed with blood.
I mean, I was doing witchcraftand magic and spells with blood daily.
And that was.
And because I was so obsessedwith blood and the power of the blood,
because there is power in the blood.
I was using the power that Godput in blood.
(03:42):
Like God says that the.
The power of the flesh, thelife of the flesh is in the blood.
Right.
So I utilized that power likethe devil hijacks the power of God
all the time to try andpervert it, distort it.
And I became powerful.
I could manifest anything I wanted.
I manifest my relationshipwith my ex, I manifest my house.
I manifested the money Iwanted, all using blood spells, like
(04:05):
very basic, classic,traditional witchcraft.
But I went really deep, andJesus saved me from that and gave
me a profoundly deeprevelation of the blood of Jesus,
because that is the true power.
There is nothing more powerfulthan the blood of Christ.
But you can do, like, low kindof crime.
If you work with the devil inblood, you can still make things
(04:28):
happen, but of course you paywith your soul.
And so when Jesus saved me, hegave me such a profound revelation
of the blood of Jesus becauseI had been so obsessed with blood
in the occult.
Wow.
I don't know if I know this,but how did you find out about that?
You know what I mean?
Was it just things you wereexposed to on the Internet?
How did I find out about blood magic?
Yeah.
(04:49):
Oh, my goodness.
I mean, I was raised in theoccult, so I was born and raised
in the occult, and everyone Iknew and grew up with was a witch.
All of my.
My, like, peers and all of myfriends, parents.
My own mother is a Reiki practitioner.
And so I grew up in thisbubble where I was not exposed to
the Gospel.
I never heard about Jesus.
I never heard about anythingto do with Christianity, never Seen
(05:11):
a Bible in my life, like, justtotally enclosed in occultism.
So I didn't really have tosort of find out about these things.
This was part of my childhood.
I was always involved inritualistic magic, elemental magic.
From a young age, I startedusing fire, wind, water, earth to
do elemental magic, which isjust a very simplistic and ancient
(05:34):
way to open the spiritual realm.
The Native Americans used todo that.
I mean, they still do, I guess.
You can use elements of God'screation to open portals into the
spirit realm.
So because that was my foundation.
I'd been doing that since Icould remember when it came to the
blood.
Like a revelation of howthere's a demonic revelation, a counterfeit
(05:55):
revelation of the blood in theNew Age, which is we were both exposed
to, which is based around wombmagic and the Goddess worship that
we see in the occult.
So the idea is that a woman'swomb creates life.
It's a portal, and thereforethere's power in that.
So while that is partly true,the Devil always gives you 90% truth,
10% lie.
(06:16):
Like that is true.
God has chosen to use awoman's womb as a portal for human
life.
He a soul from heaven into awoman's womb, and then she births.
I mean, it is a portal, sothere's truth in it.
But what the Devil's done ishe's had women in the New Age, like
me, become obsessed with thecreative power within the blood of
a woman's menstruation.
(06:37):
So menstrual blood.
And so there's a wholemovement called womb work and womb
wisdom in the New Age, wherewomen like me and Angela, who were
yoga teachers and whoworshiped the Goddess and the creation
and the stars and, you know,just misplaced worship and devot.
The devil has used that tomake these women obsessed with blood.
(06:57):
So we use our blood, or I usedmy blood to literally open a portal
into the spirit realm.
I used to do lots of differentthings, but the main thing I would
do is actually cover my wholebody and my blood, anoint my house
with my blood.
I would feed my blood to my plants.
I would, like, write out aspell and then cover the page in
my blood, like writing in myblood, anointing papers with my blood.
(07:20):
I would also dry my blood intodiscs and then burn it as a burnt
offering.
The altar that I had in my room.
And I would make sacrifices toidols, to pagan deities, Hindu deities,
and I would always getwhatever I prayed for because there's
power in the blood.
I did love spells.
I Mean, it's an offering.
It's a burnt offering and ablood offering.
(07:42):
So it's like.
Yeah, I got into it just bybeing raised up in a culture of worshiping
the creation and worshipingthe self and wanting to ascend and
become awakened through yourown spiritual endeavors without Jesus.
Wow.
Can I.
This is the first time I'vemade this connection about, seriously,
this is revelation.
(08:03):
This is revelation.
It's been happening all time,real time revelation.
So I was thinking about how inour, like, with the moon stuff that
I was really into with theastrology and I had like these full
moon and new moon rituals,there was like that encouragement,
like you can like collect yourmenstrual blood in like a little
vial and you can put it in theground, in the earth, underneath
(08:25):
the moon.
And I was thinking about allthe stuff I used to do, like ritualistically,
never did that.
Praise the Lord.
However, something I used todo because you just said it's an
offering, not just blood, butwith fire.
So with those how I told youin our interview with the full moon,
it was always about release.
We would literally writethings on paper and then burn it
in the middle of our moon circle.
And I'm thinking to myself,wow, I'm literally writing, I release
(08:48):
my depression and I'm givingit to the devil.
I'm literally burning, burningthe release of my depression to Satan.
And then guess what he didwith it made me more depressed.
And I came into agreement withthose spirits of depression and anxiety
and they actually consumed me.
Yeah, because there's real.
You see how the devil alwaysdistorts what God has made.
(09:09):
So God instituted sacrificefor sin.
We see in the Old Testament,the wages of sin is death.
They had to make burntofferings and blood offerings for
sin.
So that's part of hisrighteous law to deal with sin.
That's how he dealt with it.
So the devil's like, great,let's pervert that.
Let's take that ritual ofburning and blood and let's have
you make all these sacrificesto demons, to deities.
(09:29):
Give it to me.
I have my way.
Yeah.
And like we said earlier, youknow, me and Angela were talking
about this.
He gave me a revelation when Igot saved of the counterfeit element
of how the devil works.
He counterfeits everything God creates.
And so he's trying tocounterfeit the cross with that.
Right.
The cross is the perfectsacrifice of the spotless, blameless
(09:51):
lamb of Jesus, his pure blood.
And so the devil wants tocounterfeit so he will use innocent
blood.
That's why every Satanist anddifferent levels of the occult, whether
it's Freemasonry or Jesuitstuff, they all make sacrifices using
children's blood because it'sinnocent blood to counterfeit pure
(10:11):
blood.
And this isn't conspiracy theory.
No, this is real.
This is established, like wellknown, established facts.
I've talked to people inmedical communities in multiple nations,
confirm what you said.
So it's like we take the bloodof a child and then obviously portion
is a big part of witchcraft aswell connected to the womb.
And so you have like theVirgin Mary conceives of Jesus as
(10:33):
the Holy Spirit overshadowsher, right?
But then the demonic versionof that is like portion.
And you see that.
And that's a huge part of my story.
My first official bloodsacrifice to the devil was an abortion
when I was 19 years old.
And that opened a door in mylife that meant that now I would
be exposed to those spirits,those demons that encouraged me to
(10:55):
become obsessed with bloodritual and blood sacrifice and blood
magic.
And I just graduated throughthe years to like full blown blood
magic where I was literallyjust writing spells and manifesting
my own reality, as they say inNew Age, through, through my blood.
And it seemed worth it becauseit was working, right?
And it's like that's what wehave to tell Christians because they
would hear these stories andbe like, why would you ever do that?
(11:17):
Because their assumption isyour life gets worse, right?
And it eventually gets worse,but it's like the dev.
I think what happens is likein Christianity initially it's hard
because you're dying to selfyou're destroying altars and idols.
But then in the long term it'seternal life, right?
But then the devil does theopposite where it's in the short
term he's blood, you know whatI mean?
Because it's, he's blessingyou in the short term, but then long
(11:40):
term, right?
And that's why I've heard somany stories like this.
I got chills all over me.
Yeah, me too.
You know, because it's, it'slike we're exposing a deception,
right?
Because there's so many peoplewatching this video right now.
Maybe they even came to judgeit because they're in the beginning
phase where it's stillworking, right?
And it does.
You know, witchcraft works andsin feels good, but you'll pay for
(12:01):
it with your soul.
There's a price.
So, you know, when we come toChrist, we lose things in the natural
world.
Like maybe we lose all ourfriends because they think we're
crazy.
Or maybe we loserelationships, money, fame, acclaim.
But you gain eternal life andyou store up treasures in heaven.
But yeah, if you want to be afriend of this world, then the devil
will give you whatever you want.
(12:22):
If you love this world, thenthe love of the Father is not in
you.
That's why the scripture says that.
Because this world, you cannotserve money and God, you cannot drink
from the cup of demons and the Lord.
Like this world is the placewhere you're going to be blessed
temporarily, carnally, and itfeels great.
But there's eternity and yougot to deal with that.
You know, you're going to payin eternity for what you do here.
(12:43):
Oh, so good.
That makes me just thinkthough, that although things are
taken away, God still restoresand redeems.
He does.
Yes.
And the things that he gives,like you said, is eternal.
We can have that here on earth.
Right?
Right.
Like we were laughing andtalking earlier, talking about happiness
versus joy.
So God gives us joy.
The scripture says the joy ofthe Lord is my strength.
And even though when we cometo new life in Christ, there's still
(13:04):
struggles, but we have ourhope and our hope is in Jesus and
he's able to help us endure.
So I love that, you know,things might be taken away, but the
Lord still gives us gifts.
We get his Holy Spirit, we getjoy, we get peace.
And those are the things thatfill us up.
I know in your interview youtalked about going to those wells,
those broken cisterns, andwhether it's sexual or you know,
(13:24):
into the occult, there's stillthis broken cisterns that we're going
to that are not filling us up.
And I just think and wonder inyour story and in your interview
you talked about dying toyourself and getting to that point.
So of course maybe it'sworking now and then eternally it
doesn't work.
But I guess how did you cometo a point where you were like, okay,
this is not working right?
(13:45):
And where you were saying, Ineed life because the power of the
blood gives us life and lifemore abundantly.
The scripture says amen, you know.
Well, I was thinking when wewere listening to Angela, cause we
were just like behind thecamera praying the whole time.
We have such a, like identicaltestimony with different details,
like this parallel of how wecame out.
(14:06):
So it was the same with me asit was for her.
I just was trying, trying,trying, trying.
Trying to fill the God shapedhole in my heart.
Trying to fill the emptiness.
I was always depressed, I wasalways miserable.
The witchcraft worked in theSense that I saw results of what
I was trying to do.
But I didn't feel any more fulfilled.
I still felt I was suicid ageof 11 when I received a spirit of
(14:29):
suicide.
Until I met Jesus at 32, everyday of my life was spiritual agony.
I was totally empty inside.
So, yes, it worked in termsof, like the natural, you know, getting
money, getting fame, gettingacclaim, getting around this world.
But inside I was vacuouslyempty and just so, so depressed.
You know, it's interestingtoo, kind of piggybacking what you
(14:50):
were saying.
What you were saying this,like, joy.
It's like, yeah, sometimesthings may be taken, but then he
restores everything.
And something that I like totalk a lot about, me and Nayla have
talked about this a lot oneven my show is like the joy of the
Lord, right?
And this idea of suffering,how you're actually going to suffer
either way, like, as aChristian or not.
(15:10):
But here's the difference, isthat as a Christian, you're actually
dead to yourself.
So you suffer for Christ.
And I think a lot of.
I don't know if you've everdone any teachings on this, but I
think, like, a lot ofChristians are always talking about
how they're depressed orthey're anxious or they're this.
And they're like, well, theBible says we're gonna suffer, but
that's not what it means.
Like, that's how you suffer inthe world with that vacuous hole.
(15:32):
You suffer with depression andanxiety, but when you come to the
Lord, like, you suffer for hissake, you don't suffer for your sake
anymore because he's takenthat from you.
He suffered for your sake, andnow you suffer for his name because
you're a follower of Him.
But that doesn't mean youshould struggle with, like, depression
and anxiety and misery.
And I think for you, this iswhy your tough is so triggering to
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the community you came from,because they don't have that.
And that's.
I mean, correct me if I'mwrong, but that's what you're looking
for in that lifestyle is thatunending joy.
But it's all coming from beingalive in yourself, because it's all
about the self.
And now you're in Christ andit's like they can't fathom that.
You're just.
You're genuinely joyful andthat part of you is dead.
(16:18):
Yeah, right.
I know a lot of stories frompeople because the culture, the lifestyle
is partying, drinking, all thethings you know.
And even though I didn'tnecessarily come out.
You know, I was almost thereback in 2022, thank God.
I started to come to church.
(17:42):
But like, all of that cultureis just going to those broken cisterns,
and you keep going in that cycle.
It's a different cycle, butit's still a cycle.
It's a different hamsterwheel, but it's still a hamster wheel.
And so I see a lot of people,they get older, they're, you know,
not saying that marriage is,you know, called for everyone, but
people who are older, andthey're just so sad and depressed,
and then they start groomingother young men because they want
(18:04):
that emotional or some kind of connection.
We see people who are.
Who are older, you know, thepartying goes away.
But now they're heavily addicted.
And so when I say,respectfully, I don't want that,
I don't want your life, I meanthat in all honesty, because we haven't
seen good fruit bear from that.
And at this point, I want goodfruit in my life.
For me, my heaviest strugglewas getting out of porn, you know,
(18:28):
And I.
One day I woke up and it was gone.
Through the power of Jesusafter totally surrendering.
I know you guys spoke aboutsurrender a little bit earlier, but
there are stages and levels of surrender.
So I just also want toencourage people to fully surrender.
And when you fully surrenderand die to yourself, you truly have
freedom, you truly have life.
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Otherwise, you'll continue togo in cycles.
I was tired of going incycles, Covid.
And the pandemic was ablessing, you know, as well.
It was like a halt.
It was a stop to really reflect.
I'm a striver, I'm a worker.
So I've been working andstriving and doing all these things
for years, up until Covid,when the Lord called me me into rest.
And the rest that I got wasthat I'm exchanging my burdens for
(19:09):
yours.
His yoke is easy and his restis light.
Amen.
And that's why we can count it all.
Joy, right?
The suffering that you.
That you talked aboutsuffering for Christ, it doesn't
feel like the suffering in the world.
The suffering in the world islike all on you.
It's internal torment.
But when you suffer forChrist, it's persecution for your
faith or, you know, somethinglike that.
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Losing worldly possessions.
You count it, Joy.
When I lost everything, when Icame to Christ, I was literally skipping
like this.
Get this image.
I'm in the Pyrenees mountains.
I was literally skippingthrough the mountains, like swinging
my hand, imagining I'm HoldingJesus hand, going, I have Jesus.
I lost my house, myrelationship, my friends, all my
money.
You know, like, I had so muchjoy to lose everything in this world
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for him because he iseverything and.
He'S already conquered the world.
It's he who's greater than theone that's in the world.
Yes.
And I love when it talks aboutin Colossians 10, I've been studying
that a lot, but it talks aboutexperiencing the fullness of God
through Jesus Christ.
Amen.
The one who came to the earthwho was a man but did not sin.
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Like, how do you think you'regoing to overcome anything without
Jesus?
He was the perfect man whodidn't sin and overcame the world.
So the only way for you to beable to move through life and experience
the fullness and the destinythat God has for you is through him.
Amen.
Wow.
Oh, you know what's crazy tothink about?
So you're involved inwitchcraft and you're offering your
body.
(20:34):
You're involved in, I believe,another form of witchcraft.
Offering your body.
Think about it.
Manipulation.
Yeah.
What exactly.
Mind control.
Yeah.
But then what does Christ do?
He offers his body.
Oh, thank.
So it's like salvation isreceiving what Christ already offered
and witchcraft is you beingthe offering.
(23:20):
Exactly.
So it's like, yeah, he was theoffering for us.
So we don't have to putourselves on the altar anymore for
the devil.
And the world.
And the world.
World, the world is strugglingright now with I need to define myself.
But the gospel is die to self.
Amen.
So it's like, cuz right noweverybody's trying to define themselves,
but we're saying, no, die to self.
(23:40):
And I think the burden of thisgeneration is self assigned identity.
So in.
Because like, I'm a dad, Inever had a dad.
I had multiple abusive stepdads.
And so you want to makesomething of yourself.
And that's really what we'reseeing with like the culture now
is like, I'm going to definemyself as new age, I'm going to define
myself with an lgbt.
(24:00):
It's like you're creating yourown identity, but there's a weight.
But see, what happens is whenyou have a father, you don't create
an identity, you inherit it.
Yeah.
And so it's like, what shouldhave happened is, hey, you're a signorelli.
Let me tell you what that means.
You lay your life down foryour family, your wife, for Christ,
you die to self.
We have integrity, you know,we're generous, like, you know what
(24:24):
I mean?
Like you inherit an identity,and you're proud of where you came
from.
From.
But we.
We exchange being proud of thelineage for pride.
So it's like.
You get what I'm saying?
It's like.
And so I think the gospel isinheritance versus making right.
And there's a lot of peoplewho are like, they're.
They're going online, like,oh, maybe I can become more powerful
through this.
Maybe I can become more influential.
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So I just wanted to interjectthat idea.
They don't know their identity.
I didn't know my identity.
I didn't know that God made meto love me, that I'm supposed to
be destined to be a child of God.
No one told me that.
Right.
So I was trying to figure out,who am I?
Why am I on this planet?
And that's why we both wentinto the occult, because, well, I
was already in the occult.
But why we went deep is we'relike, who am I?
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Why am I here?
Why do I exist?
Who is God?
What is this?
And that's a problem.
Even in the church.
Christians often don't knowtheir identity in Christ.
Like, to truly understand that.
Well, yeah, and I've seen youface so much rejection as well.
But I think it's because youknow who you are that you're able
to survive that.
(25:26):
So I don't know if you want totalk about that.
I was just going to say the revelation.
Revelation with, like,defining yourself.
One thing that I learned thatthe Lord gave me was like, well,
when does it end?
I keep defining myself.
I keep going.
I keep going and I keep going.
It's another cycle.
Okay, I'm gay.
Okay, I'm bi.
Okay, I'm trans.
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I'm pansexual.
I'm asexual.
I'm doing all.
And now we're adding morecolors to the flag, more symbols,
all the things.
I have no idea what's goingon, but it's like, when does it end?
When you receive identity fromthe father, you get a full sentence
with a period.
You don't get a comma.
You don't get a hyphen.
It's done.
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And so that was so freeing for me.
And I just want to encourageeveryone to just.
When you receive identity, youdon't have to keep feeling yourself.
You don't have to keep addingquestion marks and commas to things.
It's already finished and done.
I don't have to do anything.
Right.
I just heard her period.
Right.
It's sons.
See, like, it's likecompletely different stories.
(26:30):
Like, New Age, lgbt, like, butit's the same because the devil is
not creative.
He's just crafty.
So it's always the same thingin a different package.
And what you're saying, it'slike, well, what's the next thing?
What's the next.
What's the next letter of theAlphabet that we're gonna use?
Right.
It's like, with us, it waslike, well, what's the next thing?
Because for us, it's like youridentity is always being defined.
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And for us, it was alwayslike, well, you're always healing,
so it's always another layerof healing and always another upgrade,
always another ascension.
It's never like, there's nomeans to an end.
I always preach that, thatthere's no means to an end with New
Age.
It's just like a constant healing.
But it's a paradox becauseit's also the preaching of, well,
you are perfect, whole, andcomplete, and yet you have to do
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all these things to be healed.
So it's like, what?
It's very.
Work space.
It's work space.
It's very validation that younever actually achieve.
But I think what happens toget out of that is the revelation
of the love of the Father.
Because you talked aboutrealizing that God loves you.
That was it.
And although I grew up inchurch, I just.
My understanding of God wasthat he was judgment, he was judgeful,
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he was, you know, I couldn'tstand up.
I couldn't live up to acertain expectation.
But that's not love.
That's shame, that's guilt.
That's love with a condition.
But we serve a God, Christianity.
Jesus is the only religionwhere he says, I love you and you
don't have to do anything.
That's so freeing.
Well, Scripture even says,son, I loved you at your darkest.
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You know, like.
And I think that's the lovethat the world needs to hear.
I loved you at your darkest,but I didn't keep you in darkness.
Yeah.
And I think that's the difference.
The other thing, too, is,like, the more you go on that.
That definition route, there'sno rest for your soul.
Right.
And, like, what I feel on youall is.
Is a paradoxical nature, butnot of works with more works, but
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doing the will of God in themidst of rest.
So, in other words, I'mresting in my salvation because I
know it's in him.
I couldn't earn it.
Everything I offer was filthy rags.
Think about that.
When you're in witchcraft,it's like, what's the best offering
I can make.
But the gospel says even yourbest is filthy rags.
And so then you're at rest inthat, and then that rest empowers
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you to now do the will of theFather without striving.
So good.
And I feel like this is.
We're getting to roots real quick.
I know we don't have, like.
Okay, let me just say thisbecause we only got a few more minutes
because, everybody, this is.
This has been the easiestpodcast I ever did.
I knew this was gonna happen.
I was like, lord, make me thedumbest one at the table.
And he did it today.
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So we're gonna have to doround two.
We'll have to go deeper onthis one.
But we have just a few moreminutes left.
And I.
I want to, like, shift thefocus because.
To ministering, because wekind of been diagnosing like.
Like, if.
If you all could just takethese last.
Like, we literally have fewminutes just to minister to those
who are watching becausethey're finally, like, okay, now
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what do I do?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Who wants to go?
Okay, so, yeah, if I couldjust speak to all the new ages out
there.
I didn't know I was in New Ageuntil I got saved and I encountered
Jesus.
I never even heard the termNew age.
So let me just say, anyonewho's mixed up in witchcraft, mixed
up in things of the occult,whether it's tarot, yoga, Reiki crystals,
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healing using soundvibrations, ascension, culture, I
was big into goddess worshipand the divine feminine movement,
and all these things that, youknow, all come under the umbrella
time of new age.
You are looking for the truth.
And I know that because I wasa truth seeker.
That was why I was so drivento seek these occult mysteries.
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It's because I wanted thetruth, the truth above every other
truth.
And that was my searchspiritually, my whole life.
And what changed for me iswhen I cried out to the universe,
which, as God at the time, andI said, show me the ultimate truth,
the truth above every othertruth, because I know there's a capital
T, truth, and I have all thislowercase T, truth, like all these
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different mystery texts Iread, and I had so much worldly wisdom.
I read every book on religion,but I knew I didn't have the ultimate
truth because I was stillvacuous and empty inside.
And if you found the truth,you wouldn't still have this huge
burning question mark in your soul.
So I knew that I hadn't foundthe truth.
And so I cried out and asked,and if you're really actually hungry,
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for truth.
And you're not prideful andyou're not concerned with being right,
but you're just concerned withreceiving the truth.
If you ask, Jesus Christhimself will reveal himself to you
because Jesus is the way, thetruth and the life.
And there is no one who cancome to God or truth except through
Him.
He's the only way to God.
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And so that was my revelationbecause I got desperate enough to
say, you know what, even if Idon't like the truth, just give it
me to.
I want it.
So I just appeal to anyone whotruly wants truth.
If you are truly hungry fortruth, you will arrive at Jesus Christ
because he is truth.
That's literally one of his names.
So I cried out truth and he'slike, here I am.
So if you really, really wantto know, just ask.
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Like, ask from your soul.
Cry out from the depths ofyourself with a genuine curiosity.
And yeah, don't try anddisprove God or test him, but just
actually ask for the truth andyou will receive it.
Because Jesus says, knock andthe door will be open.
Happened.
Yeah.
That's so good.
Yeah, praise God.
I'll just piggyback off thatbecause it's simple too.
From our testimony, we havelike the same testimony.
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It's so true.
And I know better than anyone,because I was there, that if you
are in that right now whereyou are searching and searching and
searching, then your heart isfertile to receive the Lord because
he meets you in that place of humility.
And as Nayla's talking, I'mthinking that to myself, how, how
it does come from that firstlittle willingness to actually surrender
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and say, well, what if I don'tknow better?
And so that's what I wouldjust encourage is just that willingness
to just say, okay, I've doneit this way for so long.
Just allow yourself to embracethe what if.
What if what these girls aresaying is true and all of this witchcraft,
all this new age stuff thatI've been doing, doing is not the
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way.
What if Jesus is the waybecause he will meet you there?
Because he is the way.
He is absolutely the way.
And all this other stuff willnever fulfill you.
He is the only one that canfulfill you.
He is the only one that canfill the God shaped hole in your
heart because it's in theshape of a cross.
And I just want to encourageyou, all that, the new age stuff,
it's all a counterfeit, it'sall a lie.
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No one wants to take yourspirituality away from you.
God created spirituality andhe will redeem that and the gifts
that you have, he will redeemthat, that for his glory.
He's the one that created it.
The devil has taken it andperverted it for his kingdom.
God will redeem it.
But more important, you willhave eternal life.
You will be forgiven, you willbe covered, you will be made new,
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a new creation.
The Bible says.
And yeah, do not sell out forthese lies because you are already
bought with a price by Jesus.
So good.
Amen.
I just wanted to the scripturethat saved my life and that I always
say a lot of that times isMatthew 3:17.
This is my beloved Son whom Ilove and I'm well pleased with him.
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This is what God said to Jesusafter he was baptized.
When the heavens opened andthe Holy Spirit descended like a
dove, before Jesus didanything, he was affirmed by His
Father.
And if you hear a lot of ourstories, you'll see the connecting
thread.
We surrendered.
We came to the end ofourselves and we found Jesus.
We found peace and we found soI just want to let you know that
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you are loved and that you areseen and that you are valued, that
he loves you so much.
Your identity is not an outcast.
Your identity is not alienatedor feeling like you're not seeing
that you're hidden.
Your identity is that you're ason and daughter of the Lord and
He loves you so much.
That's what set me free.
And I'm so grateful for that.
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Even at one point when I wasidentifying as a maybe potential
gay Christian, like literallythree years ago, I just realized
in my surrender I was able toreceive the fullness of God.
And I never want to doanything to come away from that.
Because when I have love, Ihave everything.
So no matter what yourbackground is, whether you had a
great upbringing, whether youdidn't, whether you've been in Colt
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or not, single parenthousehold or not, you are loved.
And that love is going to takeyou to glory.
So oh so good.
I want to thank all of you atthe table for your yes, thank you
for your yes.
Like I just the boldness thatyou've had to stand for Christ and
share in his sufferings andjust on behalf of all the lives that
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you've touched and so manymore, thank you.
You know, I want to say thatbecause I know they're going to be
in the comment sectionsthanking you, but on behalf of all
them, thank you because I knowit's not easy and sometimes you make
it look like way easier thanit is.
They don't know the anguishthey don't know the struggle.
They don't know how you haveto pray through the confusion.
And many of you are literallyhacking your way through all of the.
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The.
The brush and the debris ofthis generation to.
To.
To do something that.
Who's made the playbook?
Right.
So I just want to say thankyou for being willing to pioneer
and find.
Find a new way.
And for all of you watchingright now, this is a.
A phrase.
Like when we launched ourchurch, this is something the.
A revelation God gave me me isto call.
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To call those who say yes toJesus, the wild ones.
Because sometimes we thinklike, oh, yeah, I'm going to come
into Christianity.
I'm going to lose my edge.
But it's like, we are.
We are the wild ones.
There's nothing more excitingthan being walking with Jesus.
It's an adventure knowing God.
Yeah.
Because it's like in theworld, you wake up and you're like,
okay, now what.
What do I make with my life?
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But when you accept the loveof the Father, you wake up and you
say, ah, Baba, like, papa, what's.
What adventure are we gonnahave today?
What miracle are you gonna dotoday that'll break anxiety?
Because anxiety is.
I don't know what today'sgonna hold, but faith in crisis,
Papa, what are we gonna do today?
And he knows.
He knows every day of our life.
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He's already written it.
That's it.
So we're just in his hand,just like, thank you, God.
Oh, come on.
Okay, so the potter and clay.
That's it.
That's it.
Okay, so we're gonna go.
We're gonna do another one of these.
So I already know y' all.
And then their chant channelsare linked in the description.
So go over, subscribe to theirchannels, follow them on different
socials, receive from their lives.
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And as always, guys, thank youso much for making this such a special
place here together online.
I'll see you in the next one.
Hey, I'm so excited for you tojoin this conversation.
We are going to be talkingabout blood covenants, witchcraft,
I mean, sexuality.
I don't know what we're goingto get into, but I've got some really
incredible friends here.
Would you all be willing to goaround and give an introduction?
You want to start?
I'll start.
Hi, guys.
That's not my camera.
Love that.
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For me, I'm Richard, AKARichie Rich.
Rg, rj.
All the things.
Son of God redeemed by theblood of the lamb.
And I have a YouTube channelpodcast called Redemption and came
out of the lifestyledenouncing LGBTQ and all the things.
And I'm married to Jesus.
And that's it.
Praise God.
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I'll toss it over to you, Angela.
Okay, great.
The holy baton.
I'm Angela Scafidi, host ofHeaven and Healing podcast.
You can find that on YouTube.
I am an ex New Ager now, adaughter of the most high king, period.
Amen.
Period.
I love how professional we all are.
Camera one, I'm Nayla Rose.
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I'm an ex blood witch and Iwas saved and redeemed by Jesus.
I had a radical encounter withhim face to face.
He transformed me and I am aborn again child of God.
Amen.
There's so much joy.
You know, it's not happinessbecause the world has happiness,
but I just.
There's joy.
You do too?
Yeah.
I'm always like, no, happinessis candy floss.
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It's like the counterfeit ofjoy because happiness is this and
then joy is forever.
Yeah, that's it.
I would say, like, happinessis synthetic, you know, like, there's
a lot of enjoyment andsynthetic things like that candy
floss stuff.
Like synthetic clothes arefine, but it's not the real thing.
Like, you have somethingthat's authentic, organic.
It has, like, depth andquality and power, and it's just.
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Yeah, I feel that.
It's like what they said inacts when Peter and them, after they
got dosed with the HolySpirit, they were like, oh, you're
drunk.
And you're like, I'm not drunk.
I have the Holy Spirit.
Imagine me being drunk.
Crazy, you know, imagine beingon crazy.
Because, like, you eachindividually have your own lives
with your own difficulties,but there's such a joy that came
out of you.
And, you know, just you.
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You kind of started with yourstory and we ended with you.
And you.
You literally said just.
And I like how she said it wasmy ex blood witch.
And like, you.
You, like, smiled through it.
But God, God has doneSomething so special in your life.
And I feel like me and yougetting together was a long time
coming as well.
Would you mind sharing alittle bit more in depth about that?
Because I want to.
I want to talk about it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's really incredible.
I mean, we were all about howyou get such a revelation of what
God redeemed you from.
He is the God of redemption.
Whatever you were in, he.
He just transforms and thenredeems that curse story.
And so for me, I was a blood witch.
And I can say that with asmile now because I'm just overflowing
with joy and gratitude that hesaved me out of that.
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But I didn't realize exactlyhow dark and demonic what I was doing
was.
But essentially, I wasobsessed with blood.
I mean, I was doing witchcraftand magic and spells with blood daily.
And that was.
And because I was so obsessedwith blood and the power of the blood,
because there is power in the blood.
I was using the power that Godput in blood.
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Like God says that the.
The power of the flesh, thelife of the flesh is in the blood.
Right.
So I utilized that power likethe devil hijacks the power of God
all the time to try andpervert it, distort it.
And I became powerful.
I could manifest anything I wanted.
I manifest my relationshipwith my ex, I manifest my house.
I manifested the money Iwanted, all using blood spells, like
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very basic, classic,traditional witchcraft.
But I went really deep, andJesus saved me from that and gave
me a profoundly deeprevelation of the blood of Jesus,
because that is the true power.
There is nothing more powerfulthan the blood of Christ.
But you can do, like, low kindof crime.
If you work with the devil inblood, you can still make things
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happen, but of course you paywith your soul.
And so when Jesus saved me, hegave me such a profound revelation
of the blood of Jesus becauseI had been so obsessed with blood
in the occult.
Wow.
I don't know if I know this,but how did you find out about that?
You know what I mean?
Was it just things you wereexposed to on the Internet?
How did I find out about blood magic?
Yeah.
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Oh, my goodness.
I mean, I was raised in theoccult, so I was born and raised
in the occult, and everyone Iknew and grew up with was a witch.
All of my.
My, like, peers and all of myfriends, parents.
My own mother is a Reiki practitioner.
And so I grew up in thisbubble where I was not exposed to
the Gospel.
I never heard about Jesus.
I never heard about anythingto do with Christianity, never Seen
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a Bible in my life, like, justtotally enclosed in occultism.
So I didn't really have tosort of find out about these things.
This was part of my childhood.
I was always involved inritualistic magic, elemental magic.
From a young age, I startedusing fire, wind, water, earth to
do elemental magic, which isjust a very simplistic and ancient
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way to open the spiritual realm.
The Native Americans used todo that.
I mean, they still do, I guess.
You can use elements of God'screation to open portals into the
spirit realm.
So because that was my foundation.
I'd been doing that since Icould remember when it came to the
blood.
Like a revelation of howthere's a demonic revelation, a counterfeit
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revelation of the blood in theNew Age, which is we were both exposed
to, which is based around wombmagic and the Goddess worship that
we see in the occult.
So the idea is that a woman'swomb creates life.
It's a portal, and thereforethere's power in that.
So while that is partly true,the Devil always gives you 90% truth,
10% lie.
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Like that is true.
God has chosen to use awoman's womb as a portal for human
life.
He a soul from heaven into awoman's womb, and then she births.
I mean, it is a portal, sothere's truth in it.
But what the Devil's done ishe's had women in the New Age, like
me, become obsessed with thecreative power within the blood of
a woman's menstruation.
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So menstrual blood.
And so there's a wholemovement called womb work and womb
wisdom in the New Age, wherewomen like me and Angela, who were
yoga teachers and whoworshiped the Goddess and the creation
and the stars and, you know,just misplaced worship and devot.
The devil has used that tomake these women obsessed with blood.
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So we use our blood, or I usedmy blood to literally open a portal
into the spirit realm.
I used to do lots of differentthings, but the main thing I would
do is actually cover my wholebody and my blood, anoint my house
with my blood.
I would feed my blood to my plants.
I would, like, write out aspell and then cover the page in
my blood, like writing in myblood, anointing papers with my blood.
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I would also dry my blood intodiscs and then burn it as a burnt
offering.
The altar that I had in my room.
And I would make sacrifices toidols, to pagan deities, Hindu deities,
and I would always getwhatever I prayed for because there's
power in the blood.
I did love spells.
I Mean, it's an offering.
It's a burnt offering and ablood offering.
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So it's like.
Yeah, I got into it just bybeing raised up in a culture of worshiping
the creation and worshipingthe self and wanting to ascend and
become awakened through yourown spiritual endeavors without Jesus.
Wow.
Can I.
This is the first time I'vemade this connection about, seriously,
this is revelation.
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This is revelation.
It's been happening all time,real time revelation.
So I was thinking about how inour, like, with the moon stuff that
I was really into with theastrology and I had like these full
moon and new moon rituals,there was like that encouragement,
like you can like collect yourmenstrual blood in like a little
vial and you can put it in theground, in the earth, underneath
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the moon.
And I was thinking about allthe stuff I used to do, like ritualistically,
never did that.
Praise the Lord.
However, something I used todo because you just said it's an
offering, not just blood, butwith fire.
So with those how I told youin our interview with the full moon,
it was always about release.
We would literally writethings on paper and then burn it
in the middle of our moon circle.
And I'm thinking to myself,wow, I'm literally writing, I release
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my depression and I'm givingit to the devil.
I'm literally burning, burningthe release of my depression to Satan.
And then guess what he didwith it made me more depressed.
And I came into agreement withthose spirits of depression and anxiety
and they actually consumed me.
Yeah, because there's real.
You see how the devil alwaysdistorts what God has made.
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So God instituted sacrificefor sin.
We see in the Old Testament,the wages of sin is death.
They had to make burntofferings and blood offerings for
sin.
So that's part of hisrighteous law to deal with sin.
That's how he dealt with it.
So the devil's like, great,let's pervert that.
Let's take that ritual ofburning and blood and let's have
you make all these sacrificesto demons, to deities.
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Give it to me.
I have my way.
Yeah.
And like we said earlier, youknow, me and Angela were talking
about this.
He gave me a revelation when Igot saved of the counterfeit element
of how the devil works.
He counterfeits everything God creates.
And so he's trying tocounterfeit the cross with that.
Right.
The cross is the perfectsacrifice of the spotless, blameless
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lamb of Jesus, his pure blood.
And so the devil wants tocounterfeit so he will use innocent
blood.
That's why every Satanist anddifferent levels of the occult, whether
it's Freemasonry or Jesuitstuff, they all make sacrifices using
children's blood because it'sinnocent blood to counterfeit pure
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blood.
And this isn't conspiracy theory.
No, this is real.
This is established, like wellknown, established facts.
I've talked to people inmedical communities in multiple nations,
confirm what you said.
So it's like we take the bloodof a child and then obviously portion
is a big part of witchcraft aswell connected to the womb.
And so you have like theVirgin Mary conceives of Jesus as
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the Holy Spirit overshadowsher, right?
But then the demonic versionof that is like portion.
And you see that.
And that's a huge part of my story.
My first official bloodsacrifice to the devil was an abortion
when I was 19 years old.
And that opened a door in mylife that meant that now I would
be exposed to those spirits,those demons that encouraged me to
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become obsessed with bloodritual and blood sacrifice and blood
magic.
And I just graduated throughthe years to like full blown blood
magic where I was literallyjust writing spells and manifesting
my own reality, as they say inNew Age, through, through my blood.
And it seemed worth it becauseit was working, right?
And it's like that's what wehave to tell Christians because they
would hear these stories andbe like, why would you ever do that?
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Because their assumption isyour life gets worse, right?
And it eventually gets worse,but it's like the dev.
I think what happens is likein Christianity initially it's hard
because you're dying to selfyou're destroying altars and idols.
But then in the long term it'seternal life, right?
But then the devil does theopposite where it's in the short
term he's blood, you know whatI mean?
Because it's, he's blessingyou in the short term, but then long
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term, right?
And that's why I've heard somany stories like this.
I got chills all over me.
Yeah, me too.
You know, because it's, it'slike we're exposing a deception,
right?
Because there's so many peoplewatching this video right now.
Maybe they even came to judgeit because they're in the beginning
phase where it's stillworking, right?
And it does.
You know, witchcraft works andsin feels good, but you'll pay for
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it with your soul.
There's a price.
So, you know, when we come toChrist, we lose things in the natural
world.
Like maybe we lose all ourfriends because they think we're
crazy.
Or maybe we loserelationships, money, fame, acclaim.
But you gain eternal life andyou store up treasures in heaven.
But yeah, if you want to be afriend of this world, then the devil
will give you whatever you want.
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If you love this world, thenthe love of the Father is not in
you.
That's why the scripture says that.
Because this world, you cannotserve money and God, you cannot drink
from the cup of demons and the Lord.
Like this world is the placewhere you're going to be blessed
temporarily, carnally, and itfeels great.
But there's eternity and yougot to deal with that.
You know, you're going to payin eternity for what you do here.
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Oh, so good.
That makes me just thinkthough, that although things are
taken away, God still restoresand redeems.
He does.
Yes.
And the things that he gives,like you said, is eternal.
We can have that here on earth.
Right?
Right.
Like we were laughing andtalking earlier, talking about happiness
versus joy.
So God gives us joy.
The scripture says the joy ofthe Lord is my strength.
And even though when we cometo new life in Christ, there's still
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struggles, but we have ourhope and our hope is in Jesus and
he's able to help us endure.
So I love that, you know,things might be taken away, but the
Lord still gives us gifts.
We get his Holy Spirit, we getjoy, we get peace.
And those are the things thatfill us up.
I know in your interview youtalked about going to those wells,
those broken cisterns, andwhether it's sexual or you know,
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into the occult, there's stillthis broken cisterns that we're going
to that are not filling us up.
And I just think and wonder inyour story and in your interview
you talked about dying toyourself and getting to that point.
So of course maybe it'sworking now and then eternally it
doesn't work.
But I guess how did you cometo a point where you were like, okay,
this is not working right?
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And where you were saying, Ineed life because the power of the
blood gives us life and lifemore abundantly.
The scripture says amen, you know.
Well, I was thinking when wewere listening to Angela, cause we
were just like behind thecamera praying the whole time.
We have such a, like identicaltestimony with different details,
like this parallel of how wecame out.
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So it was the same with me asit was for her.
I just was trying, trying,trying, trying.
Trying to fill the God shapedhole in my heart.
Trying to fill the emptiness.
I was always depressed, I wasalways miserable.
The witchcraft worked in theSense that I saw results of what
I was trying to do.
But I didn't feel any more fulfilled.
I still felt I was suicid ageof 11 when I received a spirit of
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suicide.
Until I met Jesus at 32, everyday of my life was spiritual agony.
I was totally empty inside.
So, yes, it worked in termsof, like the natural, you know, getting
money, getting fame, gettingacclaim, getting around this world.
But inside I was vacuouslyempty and just so, so depressed.
You know, it's interestingtoo, kind of piggybacking what you
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were saying.
What you were saying this,like, joy.
It's like, yeah, sometimesthings may be taken, but then he
restores everything.
And something that I like totalk a lot about, me and Nayla have
talked about this a lot oneven my show is like the joy of the
Lord, right?
And this idea of suffering,how you're actually going to suffer
either way, like, as aChristian or not.
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But here's the difference, isthat as a Christian, you're actually
dead to yourself.
So you suffer for Christ.
And I think a lot of.
I don't know if you've everdone any teachings on this, but I
think, like, a lot ofChristians are always talking about
how they're depressed orthey're anxious or they're this.
And they're like, well, theBible says we're gonna suffer, but
that's not what it means.
Like, that's how you suffer inthe world with that vacuous hole.
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You suffer with depression andanxiety, but when you come to the
Lord, like, you suffer for hissake, you don't suffer for your sake
anymore because he's takenthat from you.
He suffered for your sake, andnow you suffer for his name because
you're a follower of Him.
But that doesn't mean youshould struggle with, like, depression
and anxiety and misery.
And I think for you, this iswhy your tough is so triggering to
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the community you came from,because they don't have that.
And that's.
I mean, correct me if I'mwrong, but that's what you're looking
for in that lifestyle is thatunending joy.
But it's all coming from beingalive in yourself, because it's all
about the self.
And now you're in Christ andit's like they can't fathom that.
You're just.
You're genuinely joyful andthat part of you is dead.
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Yeah, right.
I know a lot of stories frompeople because the culture, the lifestyle
is partying, drinking, all thethings you know.
And even though I didn'tnecessarily come out.
You know, I was almost thereback in 2022, thank God.
I started to come to church.
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But like, all of that cultureis just going to those broken cisterns,
and you keep going in that cycle.
It's a different cycle, butit's still a cycle.
It's a different hamsterwheel, but it's still a hamster wheel.
And so I see a lot of people,they get older, they're, you know,
not saying that marriage is,you know, called for everyone, but
people who are older, andthey're just so sad and depressed,
and then they start groomingother young men because they want
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that emotional or some kind of connection.
We see people who are.
Who are older, you know, thepartying goes away.
But now they're heavily addicted.
And so when I say,respectfully, I don't want that,
I don't want your life, I meanthat in all honesty, because we haven't
seen good fruit bear from that.
And at this point, I want goodfruit in my life.
For me, my heaviest strugglewas getting out of porn, you know,
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And I.
One day I woke up and it was gone.
Through the power of Jesusafter totally surrendering.
I know you guys spoke aboutsurrender a little bit earlier, but
there are stages and levels of surrender.
So I just also want toencourage people to fully surrender.
And when you fully surrenderand die to yourself, you truly have
freedom, you truly have life.
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Otherwise, you'll continue togo in cycles.
I was tired of going incycles, Covid.
And the pandemic was ablessing, you know, as well.
It was like a halt.
It was a stop to really reflect.
I'm a striver, I'm a worker.
So I've been working andstriving and doing all these things
for years, up until Covid,when the Lord called me me into rest.
And the rest that I got wasthat I'm exchanging my burdens for
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yours.
His yoke is easy and his restis light.
Amen.
And that's why we can count it all.
Joy, right?
The suffering that you.
That you talked aboutsuffering for Christ, it doesn't
feel like the suffering in the world.
The suffering in the world islike all on you.
It's internal torment.
But when you suffer forChrist, it's persecution for your
faith or, you know, somethinglike that.
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Losing worldly possessions.
You count it, Joy.
When I lost everything, when Icame to Christ, I was literally skipping
like this.
Get this image.
I'm in the Pyrenees mountains.
I was literally skippingthrough the mountains, like swinging
my hand, imagining I'm HoldingJesus hand, going, I have Jesus.
I lost my house, myrelationship, my friends, all my
money.
You know, like, I had so muchjoy to lose everything in this world
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for him because he iseverything and.
He'S already conquered the world.
It's he who's greater than theone that's in the world.
Yes.
And I love when it talks aboutin Colossians 10, I've been studying
that a lot, but it talks aboutexperiencing the fullness of God
through Jesus Christ.
Amen.
The one who came to the earthwho was a man but did not sin.
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Like, how do you think you'regoing to overcome anything without
Jesus?
He was the perfect man whodidn't sin and overcame the world.
So the only way for you to beable to move through life and experience
the fullness and the destinythat God has for you is through him.
Amen.
Wow.
Oh, you know what's crazy tothink about?
So you're involved inwitchcraft and you're offering your
body.
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You're involved in, I believe,another form of witchcraft.
Offering your body.
Think about it.
Manipulation.
Yeah.
What exactly.
Mind control.
Yeah.
But then what does Christ do?
He offers his body.
Oh, thank.
So it's like salvation isreceiving what Christ already offered
and witchcraft is you beingthe offering.
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Exactly.
So it's like, yeah, he was theoffering for us.
So we don't have to putourselves on the altar anymore for
the devil.
And the world.
And the world.
World, the world is strugglingright now with I need to define myself.
But the gospel is die to self.
Amen.
So it's like, cuz right noweverybody's trying to define themselves,
but we're saying, no, die to self.
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And I think the burden of thisgeneration is self assigned identity.
So in.
Because like, I'm a dad, Inever had a dad.
I had multiple abusive stepdads.
And so you want to makesomething of yourself.
And that's really what we'reseeing with like the culture now
is like, I'm going to definemyself as new age, I'm going to define
myself with an lgbt.
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It's like you're creating yourown identity, but there's a weight.
But see, what happens is whenyou have a father, you don't create
an identity, you inherit it.
Yeah.
And so it's like, what shouldhave happened is, hey, you're a signorelli.
Let me tell you what that means.
You lay your life down foryour family, your wife, for Christ,
you die to self.
We have integrity, you know,we're generous, like, you know what
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I mean?
Like you inherit an identity,and you're proud of where you came
from.
From.
But we.
We exchange being proud of thelineage for pride.
So it's like.
You get what I'm saying?
It's like.
And so I think the gospel isinheritance versus making right.
And there's a lot of peoplewho are like, they're.
They're going online, like,oh, maybe I can become more powerful
through this.
Maybe I can become more influential.
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So I just wanted to interjectthat idea.
They don't know their identity.
I didn't know my identity.
I didn't know that God made meto love me, that I'm supposed to
be destined to be a child of God.
No one told me that.
Right.
So I was trying to figure out,who am I?
Why am I on this planet?
And that's why we both wentinto the occult, because, well, I
was already in the occult.
But why we went deep is we'relike, who am I?
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Why am I here?
Why do I exist?
Who is God?
What is this?
And that's a problem.
Even in the church.
Christians often don't knowtheir identity in Christ.
Like, to truly understand that.
Well, yeah, and I've seen youface so much rejection as well.
But I think it's because youknow who you are that you're able
to survive that.
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So I don't know if you want totalk about that.
I was just going to say the revelation.
Revelation with, like,defining yourself.
One thing that I learned thatthe Lord gave me was like, well,
when does it end?
I keep defining myself.
I keep going.
I keep going and I keep going.
It's another cycle.
Okay, I'm gay.
Okay, I'm bi.
Okay, I'm trans.
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I'm pansexual.
I'm asexual.
I'm doing all.
And now we're adding morecolors to the flag, more symbols,
all the things.
I have no idea what's goingon, but it's like, when does it end?
When you receive identity fromthe father, you get a full sentence
with a period.
You don't get a comma.
You don't get a hyphen.
It's done.
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And so that was so freeing for me.
And I just want to encourageeveryone to just.
When you receive identity, youdon't have to keep feeling yourself.
You don't have to keep addingquestion marks and commas to things.
It's already finished and done.
I don't have to do anything.
Right.
I just heard her period.
Right.
It's sons.
See, like, it's likecompletely different stories.
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Like, New Age, lgbt, like, butit's the same because the devil is
not creative.
He's just crafty.
So it's always the same thingin a different package.
And what you're saying, it'slike, well, what's the next thing?
What's the next.
What's the next letter of theAlphabet that we're gonna use?
Right.
It's like, with us, it waslike, well, what's the next thing?
Because for us, it's like youridentity is always being defined.
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And for us, it was alwayslike, well, you're always healing,
so it's always another layerof healing and always another upgrade,
always another ascension.
It's never like, there's nomeans to an end.
I always preach that, thatthere's no means to an end with New
Age.
It's just like a constant healing.
But it's a paradox becauseit's also the preaching of, well,
you are perfect, whole, andcomplete, and yet you have to do
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all these things to be healed.
So it's like, what?
It's very.
Work space.
It's work space.
It's very validation that younever actually achieve.
But I think what happens toget out of that is the revelation
of the love of the Father.
Because you talked aboutrealizing that God loves you.
That was it.
And although I grew up inchurch, I just.
My understanding of God wasthat he was judgment, he was judgeful,
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he was, you know, I couldn'tstand up.
I couldn't live up to acertain expectation.
But that's not love.
That's shame, that's guilt.
That's love with a condition.
But we serve a God, Christianity.
Jesus is the only religionwhere he says, I love you and you
don't have to do anything.
That's so freeing.
Well, Scripture even says,son, I loved you at your darkest.
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You know, like.
And I think that's the lovethat the world needs to hear.
I loved you at your darkest,but I didn't keep you in darkness.
Yeah.
And I think that's the difference.
The other thing, too, is,like, the more you go on that.
That definition route, there'sno rest for your soul.
Right.
And, like, what I feel on youall is.
Is a paradoxical nature, butnot of works with more works, but
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doing the will of God in themidst of rest.
So, in other words, I'mresting in my salvation because I
know it's in him.
I couldn't earn it.
Everything I offer was filthy rags.
Think about that.
When you're in witchcraft,it's like, what's the best offering
I can make.
But the gospel says even yourbest is filthy rags.
And so then you're at rest inthat, and then that rest empowers
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you to now do the will of theFather without striving.
So good.
And I feel like this is.
We're getting to roots real quick.
I know we don't have, like.
Okay, let me just say thisbecause we only got a few more minutes
because, everybody, this is.
This has been the easiestpodcast I ever did.
I knew this was gonna happen.
I was like, lord, make me thedumbest one at the table.
And he did it today.
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So we're gonna have to doround two.
We'll have to go deeper onthis one.
But we have just a few moreminutes left.
And I.
I want to, like, shift thefocus because.
To ministering, because wekind of been diagnosing like.
Like, if.
If you all could just takethese last.
Like, we literally have fewminutes just to minister to those
who are watching becausethey're finally, like, okay, now
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what do I do?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Who wants to go?
Okay, so, yeah, if I couldjust speak to all the new ages out
there.
I didn't know I was in New Ageuntil I got saved and I encountered
Jesus.
I never even heard the termNew age.
So let me just say, anyonewho's mixed up in witchcraft, mixed
up in things of the occult,whether it's tarot, yoga, Reiki crystals,
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healing using soundvibrations, ascension, culture, I
was big into goddess worshipand the divine feminine movement,
and all these things that, youknow, all come under the umbrella
time of new age.
You are looking for the truth.
And I know that because I wasa truth seeker.
That was why I was so drivento seek these occult mysteries.
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It's because I wanted thetruth, the truth above every other
truth.
And that was my searchspiritually, my whole life.
And what changed for me iswhen I cried out to the universe,
which, as God at the time, andI said, show me the ultimate truth,
the truth above every othertruth, because I know there's a capital
T, truth, and I have all thislowercase T, truth, like all these
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different mystery texts Iread, and I had so much worldly wisdom.
I read every book on religion,but I knew I didn't have the ultimate
truth because I was stillvacuous and empty inside.
And if you found the truth,you wouldn't still have this huge
burning question mark in your soul.
So I knew that I hadn't foundthe truth.
And so I cried out and asked,and if you're really actually hungry,
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for truth.
And you're not prideful andyou're not concerned with being right,
but you're just concerned withreceiving the truth.
If you ask, Jesus Christhimself will reveal himself to you
because Jesus is the way, thetruth and the life.
And there is no one who cancome to God or truth except through
Him.
He's the only way to God.
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And so that was my revelationbecause I got desperate enough to
say, you know what, even if Idon't like the truth, just give it
me to.
I want it.
So I just appeal to anyone whotruly wants truth.
If you are truly hungry fortruth, you will arrive at Jesus Christ
because he is truth.
That's literally one of his names.
So I cried out truth and he'slike, here I am.
So if you really, really wantto know, just ask.
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Like, ask from your soul.
Cry out from the depths ofyourself with a genuine curiosity.
And yeah, don't try anddisprove God or test him, but just
actually ask for the truth andyou will receive it.
Because Jesus says, knock andthe door will be open.
Happened.
Yeah.
That's so good.
Yeah, praise God.
I'll just piggyback off thatbecause it's simple too.
From our testimony, we havelike the same testimony.
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It's so true.
And I know better than anyone,because I was there, that if you
are in that right now whereyou are searching and searching and
searching, then your heart isfertile to receive the Lord because
he meets you in that place of humility.
And as Nayla's talking, I'mthinking that to myself, how, how
it does come from that firstlittle willingness to actually surrender
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and say, well, what if I don'tknow better?
And so that's what I wouldjust encourage is just that willingness
to just say, okay, I've doneit this way for so long.
Just allow yourself to embracethe what if.
What if what these girls aresaying is true and all of this witchcraft,
all this new age stuff thatI've been doing, doing is not the
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way.
What if Jesus is the waybecause he will meet you there?
Because he is the way.
He is absolutely the way.
And all this other stuff willnever fulfill you.
He is the only one that canfulfill you.
He is the only one that canfill the God shaped hole in your
heart because it's in theshape of a cross.
And I just want to encourageyou, all that, the new age stuff,
it's all a counterfeit, it'sall a lie.
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No one wants to take yourspirituality away from you.
God created spirituality andhe will redeem that and the gifts
that you have, he will redeemthat, that for his glory.
He's the one that created it.
The devil has taken it andperverted it for his kingdom.
God will redeem it.
But more important, you willhave eternal life.
You will be forgiven, you willbe covered, you will be made new,
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a new creation.
The Bible says.
And yeah, do not sell out forthese lies because you are already
bought with a price by Jesus.
So good.
Amen.
I just wanted to the scripturethat saved my life and that I always
say a lot of that times isMatthew 3:17.
This is my beloved Son whom Ilove and I'm well pleased with him.
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This is what God said to Jesusafter he was baptized.
When the heavens opened andthe Holy Spirit descended like a
dove, before Jesus didanything, he was affirmed by His
Father.
And if you hear a lot of ourstories, you'll see the connecting
thread.
We surrendered.
We came to the end ofourselves and we found Jesus.
We found peace and we found soI just want to let you know that
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you are loved and that you areseen and that you are valued, that
he loves you so much.
Your identity is not an outcast.
Your identity is not alienatedor feeling like you're not seeing
that you're hidden.
Your identity is that you're ason and daughter of the Lord and
He loves you so much.
That's what set me free.
And I'm so grateful for that.
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Even at one point when I wasidentifying as a maybe potential
gay Christian, like literallythree years ago, I just realized
in my surrender I was able toreceive the fullness of God.
And I never want to doanything to come away from that.
Because when I have love, Ihave everything.
So no matter what yourbackground is, whether you had a
great upbringing, whether youdidn't, whether you've been in Colt
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or not, single parenthousehold or not, you are loved.
And that love is going to takeyou to glory.
So oh so good.
I want to thank all of you atthe table for your yes, thank you
for your yes.
Like I just the boldness thatyou've had to stand for Christ and
share in his sufferings andjust on behalf of all the lives that
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you've touched and so manymore, thank you.
You know, I want to say thatbecause I know they're going to be
in the comment sectionsthanking you, but on behalf of all
them, thank you because I knowit's not easy and sometimes you make
it look like way easier thanit is.
They don't know the anguishthey don't know the struggle.
They don't know how you haveto pray through the confusion.
And many of you are literallyhacking your way through all of the.
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The.
The brush and the debris ofthis generation to.
To.
To do something that.
Who's made the playbook?
Right.
So I just want to say thankyou for being willing to pioneer
and find.
Find a new way.
And for all of you watchingright now, this is a.
A phrase.
Like when we launched ourchurch, this is something the.
A revelation God gave me me isto call.
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To call those who say yes toJesus, the wild ones.
Because sometimes we thinklike, oh, yeah, I'm going to come
into Christianity.
I'm going to lose my edge.
But it's like, we are.
We are the wild ones.
There's nothing more excitingthan being walking with Jesus.
It's an adventure knowing God.
Yeah.
Because it's like in theworld, you wake up and you're like,
okay, now what.
What do I make with my life?
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But when you accept the loveof the Father, you wake up and you
say, ah, Baba, like, papa, what's.
What adventure are we gonnahave today?
What miracle are you gonna dotoday that'll break anxiety?
Because anxiety is.
I don't know what today'sgonna hold, but faith in crisis,
Papa, what are we gonna do today?
And he knows.
He knows every day of our life.
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He's already written it.
That's it.
So we're just in his hand,just like, thank you, God.
Oh, come on.
Okay, so the potter and clay.
That's it.
That's it.
Okay, so we're gonna go.
We're gonna do another one of these.
So I already know y' all.
And then their chant channelsare linked in the description.
So go over, subscribe to theirchannels, follow them on different
socials, receive from their lives.
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And as always, guys, thank youso much for making this such a special
place here together online.
I'll see you in the next one.
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