August 7, 2024 • 30 mins
Feliciano School of Business faculty members in the department of Information Management and Business Analytics, Dr. Mahmoud ElHussini and Dr. George Elias discuss issues and problems being faced by business professionals. On this podcast, they continue their discussion of limiting thoughts by focusing on how to dismantle the myth behind the false power limiting thoughts have on individuals, and brainstorm different ways to deal with and overcome such limiting thoughts.
Co-Hosts Background:
Mahmoud (Moe) Elhussini, MS, MBA, DBA, is an Instructor Specialist at Montclair State University. He is also the president and founder of The Growth Coach Allentown - Somerville. A consulting and business coaching company. Moe has worked in data & operations management for over a decade. He then switched to business consulting, helping companies build ERP and customer interface systems. After that he transitioned into international business development, helping companies manage their internal organic growth or through mergers and strategic alliances. Moe has published a couple of handbooks, one on emotional intelligence and another on servant leadership. He is currently working on a third that revolves around overcoming sales objections. Moe has a BA in Biology from Rutgers University, an MBA in Global Management, and MS in Information Management, and a DBA in Geopolitics and Strategy. At Montclair University, Moe is part of the Information Management and Business Analytics Department. He teaches Business Decision Making, Operations Management, and Statistics in Business courses.
George Elias, Ph.D., PMP is Chief Systems Engineer for Space and Airborne Systems leading initiatives in integrated spectrum management and mission avionics at L3Harris Technologies. Additionally, Dr. Elias is as an adjunct professor at Montclair State University’s department of information management & business analytics where he teaches business operations and statistics. Dr. Elias is experienced in leading the development and production of complex hardware and software system solutions including: electronic warfare systems, communication systems, and space systems. Previously, Dr. Elias served as the Director of Capture Excellence & Business Development Operations for the Electronic Warfare Sector. As an L3Harris Technologies Certified Enterprise Capture Lead, Dr. Elias was responsible for directing large, complex pursuits across the enterprise. In addition to systems engineering and business development, Dr. Elias has held roles in finance, quality assurance, operations/manufacturing, modeling and simulation, project engineering, program management, and Internal Research and Development (IRAD). Dr. Elias has a Doctorate in Systems Engineering, a Masters Certificate in Project Management, and a Masters in Computer Science from Stevens Institute of Technology. Additionally, Dr. Elias has a Bachelors in Computer Information Systems from Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey & New Jersey Institute of Technology. Finally, Dr. Elias has a Mini-MBA from Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello everyone, welcome back to our episode.
Back to Basics.
I am yours truly Mawul Hussaini, and I am here with my bestest
friend, george Elias.
How you doing, georgie?
Great.
How are you?
I'm good man.
How's everything going?
Awesome?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
glad to be here with you.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Same here, same here, same here.
Your day's going good.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, yep, got a long day ahead of me.
Probably going to be workinglate, really.
Yeah, that's the way it goes,we're going to go for about half
an hour, so I think you should.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I know you have a meeting coming up, but we'll try
to wrap it up.
We started talking aboutlimiting beliefs, right?
Our last podcast, and I thinkwe said we're going to continue
today to talk about how to dealwith it, yeah, how to counter it
, right?
What do you think Shall we dothat?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, I think that's a great idea.
I think last time, if Iremember correctly, we discussed
more like what are the power ofyour limiting beliefs and
limiting thoughts.
It's impact on you, right andthen we also talked a little bit
about how that can not justaffect you as an individual, but
affect your business and thepeople around you.
Right, correct?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
correct, correct.
And what do you say before wego into how to tackle it?
How do we recognize that it'sthere, right?
Why don't we talk about thatfirst?
Like, how do you even know that?
Wow, you know what?
I do have a limiting belief.
I do have something that'sholding me back from doing X, y
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or Z.
What do think?
What are some of the symptomsthat we can detect?
Right, like and I'll give youan example To realize that I may
be falling into I don't want tocall it a trap, but falling
into that you know scenariowhere I'm limiting my potential.
Like, for example, I can thinkof myself sometimes if I keep
(02:02):
saying I'll do this tomorrow,I'll do this later, you know
what I'll get to it.
Like, if you're talking to me,right, sometimes, even when we
talk together, I remember evenback from college days hey, mo,
let's go do this.
Hey, you know what?
Let's.
Just, I'm busy today, let's doit, next week, let's, let's,
let's, let's.
Right, I keep pushing it outcould be an indicator that I'm
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avoiding something that I justdon't want to confront.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, totally.
Can you think of something else?
Maybe that falls under thatcategory.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Well, let's just think about this for a minute
and see if I can conjure up someexamples.
So here's the problem withlimiting beliefs.
Right, these beliefs or beliefsystems so I'll just call them
short belief systems, bs.
Right, there, they're lies.
(02:54):
Right, and part of the problemwith lies that they end up
believing, like that is the liesend up becoming comfortable and
they actually feel good.
Right, so it, you know, in someway maybe even makes your life
easy, because by puttingsomething off, you don't
actually have to do something tofight it.
It it becomes the lazy thing todo.
(03:17):
Right, the easy thing to do isto let that lie sit there right
so now that, now that we havethis concept of eliminating
belief, and now that we can buyinto the fact that they're not
at least not the truth, right?
Whether you want to buy into itbeing a lie and you're lying to
yourself, it's at least not thetruth, right?
So now that we know that-.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Or not the reality.
That's fair.
It could be the reality Truthreality.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Fine, right, but it's not the actual thing that's
going on.
So I would say first step wouldbe to be aware that there's a
such thing as a limiting beliefor a limiting thought, right?
So now that we're aware that'sgoing on, now that we can start
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looking for them, I would sayone thing if there's no evidence
behind it, if you're sayingsomething for instance, I'm not
athletic, or why you can starttesting, why you're just not
athletic, or could you beathletic, I?
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I think, um, oftentimes thingsthat are very static, you're
declaring that something is acertain way and can't change.
I think that's a clue that youmight have a limiting belief
yeah, or if you're deflectingfrom a conversation.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I, I keep talking to you about something, george, no,
yeah, let's go start running.
Yeah, no, yeah, right, well,what about if we do this instead
?
Right, like, you keep kind oflike dodging that conversation,
and I think it may become moredifficult if it's something
intangible that you're talkingabout, right, like, in your case
(05:03):
, the example that you mentioned.
Yeah, it's easy.
Well, you know, I believe thatwhat was the example that you
just used now, the one thatyou're exercising?
Sure, exercising Right, it'seasy to actually go and start
trying to exercise.
But let's talk about the onethat me and you keep bringing up
over and over and over, and wekind of I'm starting to agree
(05:24):
with you, but when we startedtalking about public speaking
and being an introvert and Ithink we addressed it in one of,
I think it was episode one, Ithink it was at the very
beginning- I believed, or Ithought sometimes.
I think that not everybody couldbe good at public speaking,
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right, that I'm born with genesor I'm born with traits that
just make me not capable ofspeaking in public.
I'm just a pure intro, like aborn introvert in our
discussions.
I'm not going to speak for you,but from what I remember, when
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we talked about it I think itwas a few lunches ago you were
saying that, no, it may bedifficult to change it, but
eventually, given a couple ofthings which I'll let you speak
about because they were yourideas, you can possibly
eventually change.
(06:26):
So why don't you?
Because it was convincing theway you presented it.
It made sense and actually wecarried it on to other examples.
But what are those things?
Let's use that example.
I'm an introvert.
I'd like to be in my own zone,in my comfort zone, like you
said, this is my safe place.
I don't want to speak in publicand I get a lot of students
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like that, right, and I'll tellyou what I do with them later.
But if I am like that, what aresome baby steps that I can take
to get me to the point where Ichange?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, so I think it's a good example.
Yeah, the whole public speakingthing and I run into it in my
classroom.
I've had many students expressanxiety, fear, even the thought
of having to get up in public.
Yeah, it can be something thatcan stress.
It scares them.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's just some people .
It's like a medic, it's like itseems like it's a medical thing
.
It gets to the not that it is,but it feels like it is.
They just can't do it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, I'm sure that some of their stress levels can
rise to a medical issue, right,and to be really serious here,
they can have serious anxietyoff of these things.
So I've dealt with this too.
One thing I will say my beliefis that, for from a business
school perspective, your abilityto address groups, talk in
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public, talk to customers,communicate is is very, very
important for business, right?
If you can properly communicateand talk about things in an
articulate way, it's that iscareer limiting.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Potentially very career limiting.
So how do you get through that,right?
How do you get through that?
I believe that if somebodythinks they're just bad at
public speaking, I wouldclassify that as a limiting
belief, right?
So like the first question thatI would have that as a limiting
belief, right?
So like the first question thatI would have is how do you know
you're bad at public speaking?
(08:29):
Right?
Did you get up on stage andpeople told you?
you are very bad at publicspeaking?
Did you get laughed off of thestage?
What, what and why did thiscome about?
And oftentimes, when you startconfronting that idea, people
will start coming up empty.
Well, no, I didn't get up onstage.
(08:49):
No, nobody laughed me off,nobody told me I was bad, right.
So how did this develop?
So sometimes, if you canconfront a belief that's just
not true, sometimes you canrealize that it's not right.
So I would say that's a beliefthat's maybe not so deeply
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rooted, right.
The problem is, if you have abelief that's much, much more
deeply rooted, somehow right.
So how do you get through this?
So I think one is if youbelieve that's a limiting and
you believe that I could bebetter, right, like you're
starting to get there, and Iwould say everybody can right.
(09:32):
And what you really need arereally two main ingredients, and
I'll call that motivation right.
So you have to be motivated atwanting to be better at public
speaking, the willingness yeah.
Right.
Well, not just willingness, butalso the want right.
I actually want this, okay.
The other piece I would say isyou need to have a method right,
(09:56):
because it's one thing to wantto be better, it's another thing
to know how to get better right, and then at some point, when
you're going through the method,you have to find that method on
some level.
On some level, not too painful.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Okay, before you continue, let's break it down a
little bit before we get intothe method.
So let's just start from thebeginning.
So the first thing, confront itright.
The other ingredient bemotivated.
Right, like you said, you wantto do it and then find the
method to make the change or todo whatever it is to speak in
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public, right, like what, what?
What's that process I'm goingto go through to get to that
point.
Part of that method, part ofthat method do you?
agree or disagree, that it couldbe someone helping you, meaning
there could be an influence, ofan influence, because we talked
in the last episode that partof the limiting beliefs could be
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the relationships that you have, the environment that you're in
Right, so having the rightsurrounding people around you
could be part of that method.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So for public speaking, if we're talking about
public speaking, yeah, let'sjust do that example, yeah.
Right.
So if we're talking aboutpublic speaking, I would say, at
some point, having othersaround you is essential, right?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Otherwise it's not public, it's just you, no, but
even for the motivation likesomebody to motivate you to do
it.
That could be influenced bysomeone.
It could be right.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It could be right.
It all depends on what it isright so you can.
I've been motivated by others,whether it's a coach or a mentor
, a parent, a friend.
I mean, definitely there arecertain people in your life that
can motivate you positively toget better at things right, and
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I think that's definitely a goodthing.
Some people are self-motivatedand and find ways of doing it,
and even being self-motivated isone of those things that takes
practice right.
You know like you can actuallyself-motivated is one of those
things that takes practice.
You can actually self-motivateyourself, For instance.
I don't know if you do it somuch, but I self-talk a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I mean I always have You're crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, that's for sure , for sure, I am.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But I have an internal monologue going on.
I would say almost always, butlet me just bring it out.
When I'm running, I amdefinitely talking to myself.
I was just going to ask how doyou use it?
Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So use the running look.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So I'm running.
I'll tell you, I'm talking tomyself.
You're on pace, george.
I actually talk to myself inthe third person, or you can do
it, you can get there.
We're almost there, right.
So I'm sitting there and beingmy own cheerleader.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Oftentimes, and that self-talk, that positive
self-talk, can get you through alot of things.
Actually, I'm thinking aboutmyself while you're talking to
see where I do that.
I think I do that, I think I dothat and I think that voice
coming from within or fromoutside meaning, for example, in
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my class, right towards the end, we do a presentation and I can
see some students that sit inthe classroom very quiet, very
reserved, and I know, when thetime comes, where we're starting
to prefer the presentation.
Just from experience, I knowthey're going to walk up to me
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and I know the conversation.
Hey, professor, is thereanything?
Can I come present in youroffice on our own?
Can I write my notes that I wasgoing to speak?
For?
I don't like to speak in public.
Right?
True story, 100% true scenario.
More than once, when I am thatvoice that speaks to them and
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they end up actually getting upto talk, they're like in their
zone, they're better than halfthe other students, right when
they actually do it.
So I wonder if those peoplewould be interesting to know if
they do have that voice right,if they do understand that they
can actually fuel themselves todo what you do.
(14:26):
Right, where they can speak,that I can do this, so they
don't need me so.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So that's interesting that you compared somebody's
inner voice and their thatself-talk yeah saying that in
some way, maybe they weresuccessful because they mimicked
you right, like you plantedthis motivation or idea and when
they told themselves they could, it sounded like dr Mo yeah, dr
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Mo told me I could do it, I cando it, right, and I think
that's an interesting conceptbecause we haven't talked about
this before.
But I think we can have multiplevoices in that self-talk, right
.
So I talked about one positiveway where I'm my own cheerleader
and I take that as part of me.
This is a little bit of anadvanced discussion, but if you
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have negative self-talk, right,maybe you can start identifying
that.
You could even go as far asnaming it and telling that
self-talk to get out of yourhead right, and in that way you
can actually control andrecognize negative self-talk and
say, no, that's not part of meanymore, right?
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The truth of the matter is, Ican get better at this.
If I want to, I can do thisright, and then that becomes
your self-talk that you get toown right, and that's part of
the method, right?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
that.
That is one.
That is the method.
That is one method.
Yeah, I didn't mean tointerrupt you if you're, if
you're done or finish yourthought, but tell me, what other
method can you think of?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
right, so you can confront it right to prove it
untrue confront it right toprove it untrue.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Sometimes you can name it right to make it untrue.
Um so, look, make it an entity,materialize it, let it be.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Make it something that you can look at and kind of
like conquer look at it,conquer and, depending on your
personality, you might even makeit something funny.
You know, you, you, you decidethat the the lying voice in your
head is a court jester.
Get out of here, you sillything.
Right, so you can almost usesome humor or some way of
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deflating that anxiety, right?
I think, uh, realizing theemotions that are going on and
why you're having negativethoughts, whether it's fear or
some sort of anxiety or sometrepidation, sometimes,
realizing what those thoughtsare that are bringing you to
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that point, might be somethingthere.
This might be just.
I want to go back to the conceptof the voices in your head,
that self-talk mimicking people,sometimes limiting beliefs,
comes from childhood issues orthings that went on.
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Maybe a parent, and I'll tellyou, I think I said this to you
before but sometimes those good,motivating thoughts that are in
my head, I've realized thatthose are things that my father
told me as I was growing up.
Right, so you know, georgie,you can do this, georgie, you're
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strong, georgie, you're smart,right.
So I was told these things.
So I had that positiveinfluence in my life and a lot
of those positive thoughts,those growth oriented thoughts
you can do this are kind of likethe voice of my father in the
back.
Right now Not all of us havethat positive experience, but I
think, recognizing where thosethings come from and saying I
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have a lot of negative thoughts,that's because somebody put
that in me.
Now you at least have a stringto pull on, you get to confront
them and say, well, even thosewere of the best intentions.
Let's say, yeah, is it true?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And you know what.
So two things.
That's a good scenario.
The opposite extreme of that isif somebody, since you were
three years old and you couldactually comprehend a
conversation, has been feedingsomething wrong, negative, bad,
whatever you want to call it inyour mind until you're 21.
So that's the opposite of thewords of encouragement that
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you're dead, which brings up thesecond point I was thinking
about while you're talkingidentifying the origin of that
thought in your mind.
I think there's a big part ofcountering its effect knowing
how it began, how right.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, and sometimes, because of your mindset and
because of your belief systems,you'll end up congregating or
coming around people that havesimilar mindsets right yeah.
Which confirms the faults, itconfirms it.
So you have limiting.
The people around you, peoplein community, have limiting.
When you start recognizing thatthen it becomes very hard to
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fight against those limitingbeliefs.
In fact, when you start yourgrowth mindset you almost don't
fit in with the people who tellyou you can't right.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
In other words, you know what's a good example that
to think of.
If I'm scared of heights, Ishouldn't go join a group of
people similar to me.
I should go join a group ofpeople that are going to climb
Mount Everest To break out ofthat.
You know, everybody's like me,I'm the same like everyone else,
then I'm okay.
Go to somebody like you said,the opposite of.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Or let's get back to public speaking.
Let's get back to publicspeaking.
I'm having a hard time publicspeaking.
I feel anxiety about it.
I sweat, I can barely stand up,I'm shivering because I'm so
scared.
Take an improv class or talk tosomebody that is good about
public speaking.
I'm telling you, if somebodywent and said to me, you know,
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dr george, I'm not good atpublic speaking, and if they
wanted to have a real honestconversation, I I would say I
wasn't always good.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Right, I wasn't always good andI'll share something that I
know, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
But the audience doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I stuttered, I remember right.
I stutter, so I work hard everyday and you dealt with it on
your own.
I work hard every day to notstutter.
I remember from Rutgers.
It's the truth, right, so I'm astutter.
I remember from Rutgers, it'sthe truth, right.
So I'm a stutterer and I'veworked very hard to be much
better at public speaking andwhen it comes to giving speeches
, when it comes to talking toothers.
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I do a lot of planning on it,right, I work at it and I think
I work hard enough that somepeople might actually say'm not
that bad, right?
So if I can do it right and Istruggled, then what's to say?
Other people can't do it?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I don't want to go over it too quickly because I
feel like we jumped over it fast, forward it too quickly.
I want to go back again, ifit's okay with you, to how do we
acknowledge that this is alimiting belief.
Right, we said we confront it,we think about it, we see, what
is it that we keep avoiding totalk about?
Do you have?
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I don't right now, but can youthink of other cues that you can
think of to help people know,oh wait, this is it.
This is a limiting belief.
I can really do this.
Can you think of anything elsethat, even with your examples,
that you can think of, that goesthrough your mind to help you
realize that this is and I don'twant to put you in the spot
because, honestly, I can't thinkof one right now I'm thinking
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about the answer, what I'masking, the question while I'm
asking, but I I don't know whatelse would be a good example so
I would say that muslim beliefsare static in nature.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
They are, no matter what they are.
In general, they declare astate that is unchangeable.
Yeah, I am just not good enough.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Right, I am slow.
Right, yeah, I am not enough.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I'm just looking at my notes to see if I have
anything Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I can't, or I'm just not good at soccer, right, so?
Or?
These sorts of statements thatare definitive and static tend
to be limiting beliefs.
Yeah, right, yeah, now a growthis, I'm not very well practiced
at soccer, mm-hmm, I'm justgiving you an example.
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I could be better if I practicesoccer.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So, to use your example and say it in a
different way, something thatjust thought of, if I reframe
what I believe is a limitingbelief, it can be a step one,
meaning instead of me saying Isuck at soccer, I can never play
soccer.
If, instead of that, I reframeit in my mind mentally to say
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that I'm not good at it, but Icould be good at it if I do A, b
, c, it changes the wholeperspective of how you can
approach it 100% right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I am not strong, but I could be if I worked out.
So that opens the door to thepossibilities, sure, but that's
more the growth mindset, right.
Yeah yeah, when you stop at thestate and you say my belief is
I cannot change, that's almostalways a lie, because people can
change.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So you really think with your logic, right the way
you explained it, and it's notwrong.
But you could do anything Giventhe right environment, the
right motive, not fly rightwithin the realm of reality.
Right, you have the opportunityor the potential to do what you
don't think you can do.
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Whatever it may be, if youconfront it, you're motivated
and you want it bad enough andyou're given the means to help
you achieve it or do it.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I would say absolutely yes.
I truly, truly believe that weare much more capable than we
allow ourselves to be.
Yeah, I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
In anything.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, I would say in almost every dimension, whether
it's you know, academic or logic, or you know empathy, the
ability to feel for other peopleor help other people, whether
that's public speaking.
You know and I'm saying thatbecause it's both hard skills
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and soft- skills.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Exactly Tangible, and intangible too.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I was sharing with youearlier that I believe that we
can even control our ownthoughts right, and we debated
this for a while right, and I'mnot saying that it's an absolute
right.
I mean saying that it's anabsolute.
I mean, obviously somethingcomes into your perception.
It's hard for that not to cometo mind.
But, you can choose how youperceive it.
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You can choose how you react toit.
So that takes training, and youtalked about reframing.
So how do you reframe yourperception, how do you reframe
your beliefs to go fromsomething that's negative to
positive, like, how do you seethis as an opportunity rather
than obstacles?
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Right, and a lot of people arevery good at that, and I would
say it takes practice.
It's not something you just doon day one.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And you break it down and I'll use the example that I
said last time and I think Imentioned that when we were
getting coffee earlier today Idon't think I can get any
clients if I make cold calls.
I use this example as some veryquickly.
But if I break down thatstatement to see what are the
type of people that I call, Ican maybe say that I cannot cold
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call people that don't know me.
But if I cold call people thatI met at a networking event and
they know me, then there's anopportunity that that door will
open and they would want to talkto me.
So, like, when you break down,write that statement that you're
making, drill into it deeper,and then you can even drill
deeper.
Well, if I cold call thosepeople that met me before and I
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talk about something thatinterests them that they told me
, then it becomes more of aconversation, right, and then if
maybe before I cold call them,I send them an introductory
email that I'm or a tech, right,etc.
Etc.
So the point is, if you breakdown that statement into more
details, I think you can controlit more.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So I think what you basically did there is you
flipped around the motivationand the method.
So maybe if you had a bettermethod, you would find the
motivation right.
So it you know they, this thingsort of goes together right.
So oftentimes in business I getthe statement oh, that can't be
(27:13):
done.
And then I go and I confrontthis well, why can't it be done?
Well, we tried it already.
How did you try it?
Well, we did this and this andthis.
The question is is that theonly method?
Is that the only way it couldhave worked?
Did you try a different way?
Is it possible that there's adifferent way that can get you
there?
So, instead of that personbeing in the box and saying
(27:34):
can't happen, limiting belief,and then they start finding
evidence to justify that can'thappen, they don't realize that
there might be a differentmethod, right, so they are
closing their mind and beingvery definitive about it.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So kind of like what you said, it's not set steps.
It could work method first,then motivation, after you're
motivated, maybe, oh, maybe, nowI want it, so it doesn't have
to be in that order, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I agree.
I do think that the method andthe motivation need to somehow
come together at some point yeah, yeah.
You need to want to do it andyou need to have some way of
doing it.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And when I say method .
Speaker 2 (28:18):
It all depends on what it is right.
And how do you work yourself inthere?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I agree, this was actually really good.
Honestly, in all honesty, justtalking to you about it out loud
, it helped me self-reflect onsome of the paranoias I don't
want to say paranoias, but someof the negativities I have in my
mind.
And I do see that if, dependingon how I see it and who I
choose to listen to versus who Icould block out internally or
(28:46):
externally, it could really helpme see things in very different
ways and revisit my approach.
So I'm glad we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
No, I'm glad you talked about it See things in
different ways, because thatgets it, you know, perceiving
and it actually removes yourbias in the way you see it right
.
So you can, you know, go fromthat negative bias to a I can do
this positive bias and, like wetalked about before, right, if
you believe you can't, you'reright.
(29:15):
If you believe you can, youactually might be able to get
someplace.
So I think, in general, if youcan shift yourself smartly to a
positive position or leantowards positive positions, you
will naturally achieve more, andI think that's what the
conversation's really about here.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Well said.
Thank you, awesome.
Thank you, quick conversation.
Thank you very much.
Do you wanna wrap it up?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Sure, let's wrap it up.
So do you know what we're gonnatalk about next time?
I think we'll have to play anAudible.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I don't know.
I was thinking we invite havethe AI conversation.
Maybe we can bring Gail in andtalk about the AI.
Do you remember what you guyswere talking about last time?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, let's see what we can do when we were walking
in the corridor.
That would be fun, that wouldbe interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Awesome, you guys will be the experts, but I think
it'll be an interestingconversation.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
We'll try to keep it light though.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Sounds good, buddy, I'll wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Thank you all for listening to this episode of
Back to Basics on the BusinessEdge, brought to you by
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We hope you enjoyed thisepisode.
It's just Mo and I here.
If you have any suggestions forfuture episodes or any feedback
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And thank you to the team again.
We appreciate everything youguys do.
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Speaker 2 (30:32):
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Thank you, take care, see you.
Hello everyone, welcome back to our episode.
Back to Basics.
I am yours truly Mawul Hussaini, and I am here with my bestest
friend, george Elias.
How you doing, georgie?
Great.
How are you?
I'm good man.
How's everything going?
Awesome?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
glad to be here with you.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Same here, same here, same here.
Your day's going good.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, yep, got a long day ahead of me.
Probably going to be workinglate, really.
Yeah, that's the way it goes,we're going to go for about half
an hour, so I think you should.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I know you have a meeting coming up, but we'll try
to wrap it up.
We started talking aboutlimiting beliefs, right?
Our last podcast, and I thinkwe said we're going to continue
today to talk about how to dealwith it, yeah, how to counter it
, right?
What do you think Shall we dothat?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, I think that's a great idea.
I think last time, if Iremember correctly, we discussed
more like what are the power ofyour limiting beliefs and
limiting thoughts.
It's impact on you, right andthen we also talked a little bit
about how that can not justaffect you as an individual, but
affect your business and thepeople around you.
Right, correct?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
correct, correct.
And what do you say before wego into how to tackle it?
How do we recognize that it'sthere, right?
Why don't we talk about thatfirst?
Like, how do you even know that?
Wow, you know what?
I do have a limiting belief.
I do have something that'sholding me back from doing X, y
(01:40):
or Z.
What do think?
What are some of the symptomsthat we can detect?
Right, like and I'll give youan example To realize that I may
be falling into I don't want tocall it a trap, but falling
into that you know scenariowhere I'm limiting my potential.
Like, for example, I can thinkof myself sometimes if I keep
(02:02):
saying I'll do this tomorrow,I'll do this later, you know
what I'll get to it.
Like, if you're talking to me,right, sometimes, even when we
talk together, I remember evenback from college days hey, mo,
let's go do this.
Hey, you know what?
Let's.
Just, I'm busy today, let's doit, next week, let's, let's,
let's, let's.
Right, I keep pushing it outcould be an indicator that I'm
(02:22):
avoiding something that I justdon't want to confront.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, totally.
Can you think of something else?
Maybe that falls under thatcategory.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Well, let's just think about this for a minute
and see if I can conjure up someexamples.
So here's the problem withlimiting beliefs.
Right, these beliefs or beliefsystems so I'll just call them
short belief systems, bs.
Right, there, they're lies.
(02:54):
Right, and part of the problemwith lies that they end up
believing, like that is the liesend up becoming comfortable and
they actually feel good.
Right, so it, you know, in someway maybe even makes your life
easy, because by puttingsomething off, you don't
actually have to do something tofight it.
It it becomes the lazy thing todo.
(03:17):
Right, the easy thing to do isto let that lie sit there right
so now that, now that we havethis concept of eliminating
belief, and now that we can buyinto the fact that they're not
at least not the truth, right?
Whether you want to buy into itbeing a lie and you're lying to
yourself, it's at least not thetruth, right?
So now that we know that-.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Or not the reality.
That's fair.
It could be the reality Truthreality.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Fine, right, but it's not the actual thing that's
going on.
So I would say first step wouldbe to be aware that there's a
such thing as a limiting beliefor a limiting thought, right?
So now that we're aware that'sgoing on, now that we can start
(04:04):
looking for them, I would sayone thing if there's no evidence
behind it, if you're sayingsomething for instance, I'm not
athletic, or why you can starttesting, why you're just not
athletic, or could you beathletic, I?
(04:26):
I think, um, oftentimes thingsthat are very static, you're
declaring that something is acertain way and can't change.
I think that's a clue that youmight have a limiting belief
yeah, or if you're deflectingfrom a conversation.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I, I keep talking to you about something, george, no,
yeah, let's go start running.
Yeah, no, yeah, right, well,what about if we do this instead
?
Right, like, you keep kind oflike dodging that conversation,
and I think it may become moredifficult if it's something
intangible that you're talkingabout, right, like, in your case
(05:03):
, the example that you mentioned.
Yeah, it's easy.
Well, you know, I believe thatwhat was the example that you
just used now, the one thatyou're exercising?
Sure, exercising Right, it'seasy to actually go and start
trying to exercise.
But let's talk about the onethat me and you keep bringing up
over and over and over, and wekind of I'm starting to agree
(05:24):
with you, but when we startedtalking about public speaking
and being an introvert and Ithink we addressed it in one of,
I think it was episode one, Ithink it was at the very
beginning- I believed, or Ithought sometimes.
I think that not everybody couldbe good at public speaking,
(05:44):
right, that I'm born with genesor I'm born with traits that
just make me not capable ofspeaking in public.
I'm just a pure intro, like aborn introvert in our
discussions.
I'm not going to speak for you,but from what I remember, when
(06:06):
we talked about it I think itwas a few lunches ago you were
saying that, no, it may bedifficult to change it, but
eventually, given a couple ofthings which I'll let you speak
about because they were yourideas, you can possibly
eventually change.
(06:26):
So why don't you?
Because it was convincing theway you presented it.
It made sense and actually wecarried it on to other examples.
But what are those things?
Let's use that example.
I'm an introvert.
I'd like to be in my own zone,in my comfort zone, like you
said, this is my safe place.
I don't want to speak in publicand I get a lot of students
(06:47):
like that, right, and I'll tellyou what I do with them later.
But if I am like that, what aresome baby steps that I can take
to get me to the point where Ichange?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, so I think it's a good example.
Yeah, the whole public speakingthing and I run into it in my
classroom.
I've had many students expressanxiety, fear, even the thought
of having to get up in public.
Yeah, it can be something thatcan stress.
It scares them.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's just some people .
It's like a medic, it's like itseems like it's a medical thing
.
It gets to the not that it is,but it feels like it is.
They just can't do it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, I'm sure that some of their stress levels can
rise to a medical issue, right,and to be really serious here,
they can have serious anxietyoff of these things.
So I've dealt with this too.
One thing I will say my beliefis that, for from a business
school perspective, your abilityto address groups, talk in
(07:52):
public, talk to customers,communicate is is very, very
important for business, right?
If you can properly communicateand talk about things in an
articulate way, it's that iscareer limiting.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Potentially very career limiting.
So how do you get through that,right?
How do you get through that?
I believe that if somebodythinks they're just bad at
public speaking, I wouldclassify that as a limiting
belief, right?
So like the first question thatI would have that as a limiting
belief, right?
So like the first question thatI would have is how do you know
you're bad at public speaking?
(08:29):
Right?
Did you get up on stage andpeople told you?
you are very bad at publicspeaking?
Did you get laughed off of thestage?
What, what and why did thiscome about?
And oftentimes, when you startconfronting that idea, people
will start coming up empty.
Well, no, I didn't get up onstage.
(08:49):
No, nobody laughed me off,nobody told me I was bad, right.
So how did this develop?
So sometimes, if you canconfront a belief that's just
not true, sometimes you canrealize that it's not right.
So I would say that's a beliefthat's maybe not so deeply
(09:10):
rooted, right.
The problem is, if you have abelief that's much, much more
deeply rooted, somehow right.
So how do you get through this?
So I think one is if youbelieve that's a limiting and
you believe that I could bebetter, right, like you're
starting to get there, and Iwould say everybody can right.
(09:32):
And what you really need arereally two main ingredients, and
I'll call that motivation right.
So you have to be motivated atwanting to be better at public
speaking, the willingness yeah.
Right.
Well, not just willingness, butalso the want right.
I actually want this, okay.
The other piece I would say isyou need to have a method right,
(09:56):
because it's one thing to wantto be better, it's another thing
to know how to get better right, and then at some point, when
you're going through the method,you have to find that method on
some level.
On some level, not too painful.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Okay, before you continue, let's break it down a
little bit before we get intothe method.
So let's just start from thebeginning.
So the first thing, confront itright.
The other ingredient bemotivated.
Right, like you said, you wantto do it and then find the
method to make the change or todo whatever it is to speak in
(10:43):
public, right, like what, what?
What's that process I'm goingto go through to get to that
point.
Part of that method, part ofthat method do you?
agree or disagree, that it couldbe someone helping you, meaning
there could be an influence, ofan influence, because we talked
in the last episode that partof the limiting beliefs could be
(11:05):
the relationships that you have, the environment that you're in
Right, so having the rightsurrounding people around you
could be part of that method.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So for public speaking, if we're talking about
public speaking, yeah, let'sjust do that example, yeah.
Right.
So if we're talking aboutpublic speaking, I would say, at
some point, having othersaround you is essential, right?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Otherwise it's not public, it's just you, no, but
even for the motivation likesomebody to motivate you to do
it.
That could be influenced bysomeone.
It could be right.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It could be right.
It all depends on what it isright so you can.
I've been motivated by others,whether it's a coach or a mentor
, a parent, a friend.
I mean, definitely there arecertain people in your life that
can motivate you positively toget better at things right, and
(12:01):
I think that's definitely a goodthing.
Some people are self-motivatedand and find ways of doing it,
and even being self-motivated isone of those things that takes
practice right.
You know like you can actuallyself-motivated is one of those
things that takes practice.
You can actually self-motivateyourself, For instance.
I don't know if you do it somuch, but I self-talk a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I mean I always have You're crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, that's for sure , for sure, I am.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But I have an internal monologue going on.
I would say almost always, butlet me just bring it out.
When I'm running, I amdefinitely talking to myself.
I was just going to ask how doyou use it?
Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So use the running look.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So I'm running.
I'll tell you, I'm talking tomyself.
You're on pace, george.
I actually talk to myself inthe third person, or you can do
it, you can get there.
We're almost there, right.
So I'm sitting there and beingmy own cheerleader.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Oftentimes, and that self-talk, that positive
self-talk, can get you through alot of things.
Actually, I'm thinking aboutmyself while you're talking to
see where I do that.
I think I do that, I think I dothat and I think that voice
coming from within or fromoutside meaning, for example, in
(13:21):
my class, right towards the end, we do a presentation and I can
see some students that sit inthe classroom very quiet, very
reserved, and I know, when thetime comes, where we're starting
to prefer the presentation.
Just from experience, I knowthey're going to walk up to me
(13:43):
and I know the conversation.
Hey, professor, is thereanything?
Can I come present in youroffice on our own?
Can I write my notes that I wasgoing to speak?
For?
I don't like to speak in public.
Right?
True story, 100% true scenario.
More than once, when I am thatvoice that speaks to them and
(14:05):
they end up actually getting upto talk, they're like in their
zone, they're better than halfthe other students, right when
they actually do it.
So I wonder if those peoplewould be interesting to know if
they do have that voice right,if they do understand that they
can actually fuel themselves todo what you do.
(14:26):
Right, where they can speak,that I can do this, so they
don't need me so.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So that's interesting that you compared somebody's
inner voice and their thatself-talk yeah saying that in
some way, maybe they weresuccessful because they mimicked
you right, like you plantedthis motivation or idea and when
they told themselves they could, it sounded like dr Mo yeah, dr
(14:54):
Mo told me I could do it, I cando it, right, and I think
that's an interesting conceptbecause we haven't talked about
this before.
But I think we can have multiplevoices in that self-talk, right
.
So I talked about one positiveway where I'm my own cheerleader
and I take that as part of me.
This is a little bit of anadvanced discussion, but if you
(15:18):
have negative self-talk, right,maybe you can start identifying
that.
You could even go as far asnaming it and telling that
self-talk to get out of yourhead right, and in that way you
can actually control andrecognize negative self-talk and
say, no, that's not part of meanymore, right?
(15:41):
The truth of the matter is, Ican get better at this.
If I want to, I can do thisright, and then that becomes
your self-talk that you get toown right, and that's part of
the method, right?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
that.
That is one.
That is the method.
That is one method.
Yeah, I didn't mean tointerrupt you if you're, if
you're done or finish yourthought, but tell me, what other
method can you think of?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
right, so you can confront it right to prove it
untrue confront it right toprove it untrue.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Sometimes you can name it right to make it untrue.
Um so, look, make it an entity,materialize it, let it be.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Make it something that you can look at and kind of
like conquer look at it,conquer and, depending on your
personality, you might even makeit something funny.
You know, you, you, you decidethat the the lying voice in your
head is a court jester.
Get out of here, you sillything.
Right, so you can almost usesome humor or some way of
(16:40):
deflating that anxiety, right?
I think, uh, realizing theemotions that are going on and
why you're having negativethoughts, whether it's fear or
some sort of anxiety or sometrepidation, sometimes,
realizing what those thoughtsare that are bringing you to
(17:03):
that point, might be somethingthere.
This might be just.
I want to go back to the conceptof the voices in your head,
that self-talk mimicking people,sometimes limiting beliefs,
comes from childhood issues orthings that went on.
(17:24):
Maybe a parent, and I'll tellyou, I think I said this to you
before but sometimes those good,motivating thoughts that are in
my head, I've realized thatthose are things that my father
told me as I was growing up.
Right, so you know, georgie,you can do this, georgie, you're
(17:47):
strong, georgie, you're smart,right.
So I was told these things.
So I had that positiveinfluence in my life and a lot
of those positive thoughts,those growth oriented thoughts
you can do this are kind of likethe voice of my father in the
back.
Right now Not all of us havethat positive experience, but I
think, recognizing where thosethings come from and saying I
(18:12):
have a lot of negative thoughts,that's because somebody put
that in me.
Now you at least have a stringto pull on, you get to confront
them and say, well, even thosewere of the best intentions.
Let's say, yeah, is it true?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And you know what.
So two things.
That's a good scenario.
The opposite extreme of that isif somebody, since you were
three years old and you couldactually comprehend a
conversation, has been feedingsomething wrong, negative, bad,
whatever you want to call it inyour mind until you're 21.
So that's the opposite of thewords of encouragement that
(18:51):
you're dead, which brings up thesecond point I was thinking
about while you're talkingidentifying the origin of that
thought in your mind.
I think there's a big part ofcountering its effect knowing
how it began, how right.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, and sometimes, because of your mindset and
because of your belief systems,you'll end up congregating or
coming around people that havesimilar mindsets right yeah.
Which confirms the faults, itconfirms it.
So you have limiting.
The people around you, peoplein community, have limiting.
When you start recognizing thatthen it becomes very hard to
(19:34):
fight against those limitingbeliefs.
In fact, when you start yourgrowth mindset you almost don't
fit in with the people who tellyou you can't right.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
In other words, you know what's a good example that
to think of.
If I'm scared of heights, Ishouldn't go join a group of
people similar to me.
I should go join a group ofpeople that are going to climb
Mount Everest To break out ofthat.
You know, everybody's like me,I'm the same like everyone else,
then I'm okay.
Go to somebody like you said,the opposite of.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Or let's get back to public speaking.
Let's get back to publicspeaking.
I'm having a hard time publicspeaking.
I feel anxiety about it.
I sweat, I can barely stand up,I'm shivering because I'm so
scared.
Take an improv class or talk tosomebody that is good about
public speaking.
I'm telling you, if somebodywent and said to me, you know,
(20:25):
dr george, I'm not good atpublic speaking, and if they
wanted to have a real honestconversation, I I would say I
wasn't always good.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Right, I wasn't always good andI'll share something that I
know, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
But the audience doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I stuttered, I remember right.
I stutter, so I work hard everyday and you dealt with it on
your own.
I work hard every day to notstutter.
I remember from Rutgers.
It's the truth, right, so I'm astutter.
I remember from Rutgers, it'sthe truth, right.
So I'm a stutterer and I'veworked very hard to be much
better at public speaking andwhen it comes to giving speeches
, when it comes to talking toothers.
(21:01):
I do a lot of planning on it,right, I work at it and I think
I work hard enough that somepeople might actually say'm not
that bad, right?
So if I can do it right and Istruggled, then what's to say?
Other people can't do it?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I don't want to go over it too quickly because I
feel like we jumped over it fast, forward it too quickly.
I want to go back again, ifit's okay with you, to how do we
acknowledge that this is alimiting belief.
Right, we said we confront it,we think about it, we see, what
is it that we keep avoiding totalk about?
Do you have?
(21:37):
I don't right now, but can youthink of other cues that you can
think of to help people know,oh wait, this is it.
This is a limiting belief.
I can really do this.
Can you think of anything elsethat, even with your examples,
that you can think of, that goesthrough your mind to help you
realize that this is and I don'twant to put you in the spot
because, honestly, I can't thinkof one right now I'm thinking
(21:58):
about the answer, what I'masking, the question while I'm
asking, but I I don't know whatelse would be a good example so
I would say that muslim beliefsare static in nature.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
They are, no matter what they are.
In general, they declare astate that is unchangeable.
Yeah, I am just not good enough.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Right, I am slow.
Right, yeah, I am not enough.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I'm just looking at my notes to see if I have
anything Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I can't, or I'm just not good at soccer, right, so?
Or?
These sorts of statements thatare definitive and static tend
to be limiting beliefs.
Yeah, right, yeah, now a growthis, I'm not very well practiced
at soccer, mm-hmm, I'm justgiving you an example.
(22:49):
I could be better if I practicesoccer.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So, to use your example and say it in a
different way, something thatjust thought of, if I reframe
what I believe is a limitingbelief, it can be a step one,
meaning instead of me saying Isuck at soccer, I can never play
soccer.
If, instead of that, I reframeit in my mind mentally to say
(23:14):
that I'm not good at it, but Icould be good at it if I do A, b
, c, it changes the wholeperspective of how you can
approach it 100% right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I am not strong, but I could be if I worked out.
So that opens the door to thepossibilities, sure, but that's
more the growth mindset, right.
Yeah yeah, when you stop at thestate and you say my belief is
I cannot change, that's almostalways a lie, because people can
change.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So you really think with your logic, right the way
you explained it, and it's notwrong.
But you could do anything Giventhe right environment, the
right motive, not fly rightwithin the realm of reality.
Right, you have the opportunityor the potential to do what you
don't think you can do.
(24:01):
Whatever it may be, if youconfront it, you're motivated
and you want it bad enough andyou're given the means to help
you achieve it or do it.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I would say absolutely yes.
I truly, truly believe that weare much more capable than we
allow ourselves to be.
Yeah, I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
In anything.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, I would say in almost every dimension, whether
it's you know, academic or logic, or you know empathy, the
ability to feel for other peopleor help other people, whether
that's public speaking.
You know and I'm saying thatbecause it's both hard skills
(24:50):
and soft- skills.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Exactly Tangible, and intangible too.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I was sharing with youearlier that I believe that we
can even control our ownthoughts right, and we debated
this for a while right, and I'mnot saying that it's an absolute
right.
I mean saying that it's anabsolute.
I mean, obviously somethingcomes into your perception.
It's hard for that not to cometo mind.
But, you can choose how youperceive it.
(25:15):
You can choose how you react toit.
So that takes training, and youtalked about reframing.
So how do you reframe yourperception, how do you reframe
your beliefs to go fromsomething that's negative to
positive, like, how do you seethis as an opportunity rather
than obstacles?
(25:36):
Right, and a lot of people arevery good at that, and I would
say it takes practice.
It's not something you just doon day one.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And you break it down and I'll use the example that I
said last time and I think Imentioned that when we were
getting coffee earlier today Idon't think I can get any
clients if I make cold calls.
I use this example as some veryquickly.
But if I break down thatstatement to see what are the
type of people that I call, Ican maybe say that I cannot cold
(26:07):
call people that don't know me.
But if I cold call people thatI met at a networking event and
they know me, then there's anopportunity that that door will
open and they would want to talkto me.
So, like, when you break down,write that statement that you're
making, drill into it deeper,and then you can even drill
deeper.
Well, if I cold call thosepeople that met me before and I
(26:30):
talk about something thatinterests them that they told me
, then it becomes more of aconversation, right, and then if
maybe before I cold call them,I send them an introductory
email that I'm or a tech, right,etc.
Etc.
So the point is, if you breakdown that statement into more
details, I think you can controlit more.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So I think what you basically did there is you
flipped around the motivationand the method.
So maybe if you had a bettermethod, you would find the
motivation right.
So it you know they, this thingsort of goes together right.
So oftentimes in business I getthe statement oh, that can't be
(27:13):
done.
And then I go and I confrontthis well, why can't it be done?
Well, we tried it already.
How did you try it?
Well, we did this and this andthis.
The question is is that theonly method?
Is that the only way it couldhave worked?
Did you try a different way?
Is it possible that there's adifferent way that can get you
there?
So, instead of that personbeing in the box and saying
(27:34):
can't happen, limiting belief,and then they start finding
evidence to justify that can'thappen, they don't realize that
there might be a differentmethod, right, so they are
closing their mind and beingvery definitive about it.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So kind of like what you said, it's not set steps.
It could work method first,then motivation, after you're
motivated, maybe, oh, maybe, nowI want it, so it doesn't have
to be in that order, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I agree.
I do think that the method andthe motivation need to somehow
come together at some point yeah, yeah.
You need to want to do it andyou need to have some way of
doing it.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And when I say method .
Speaker 2 (28:18):
It all depends on what it is right.
And how do you work yourself inthere?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I agree, this was actually really good.
Honestly, in all honesty, justtalking to you about it out loud
, it helped me self-reflect onsome of the paranoias I don't
want to say paranoias, but someof the negativities I have in my
mind.
And I do see that if, dependingon how I see it and who I
choose to listen to versus who Icould block out internally or
(28:46):
externally, it could really helpme see things in very different
ways and revisit my approach.
So I'm glad we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
No, I'm glad you talked about it See things in
different ways, because thatgets it, you know, perceiving
and it actually removes yourbias in the way you see it right
.
So you can, you know, go fromthat negative bias to a I can do
this positive bias and, like wetalked about before, right, if
you believe you can't, you'reright.
(29:15):
If you believe you can, youactually might be able to get
someplace.
So I think, in general, if youcan shift yourself smartly to a
positive position or leantowards positive positions, you
will naturally achieve more, andI think that's what the
conversation's really about here.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Well said.
Thank you, awesome.
Thank you, quick conversation.
Thank you very much.
Do you wanna wrap it up?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Sure, let's wrap it up.
So do you know what we're gonnatalk about next time?
I think we'll have to play anAudible.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I don't know.
I was thinking we invite havethe AI conversation.
Maybe we can bring Gail in andtalk about the AI.
Do you remember what you guyswere talking about last time?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, let's see what we can do when we were walking
in the corridor.
That would be fun, that wouldbe interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Awesome, you guys will be the experts, but I think
it'll be an interestingconversation.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
We'll try to keep it light though.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Sounds good, buddy, I'll wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Thank you all for listening to this episode of
Back to Basics on the BusinessEdge, brought to you by
Feliciano School of Business atMontclair State University.
We hope you enjoyed thisepisode.
It's just Mo and I here.
If you have any suggestions forfuture episodes or any feedback
, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
And thank you to the team again.
We appreciate everything youguys do.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Awesome group here.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Thank you everybody, take care, we'll see you next
time.
Thank you, take care, see you.
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