August 21, 2025 • 8 mins
Simon David Kinberg is an American filmmaker. He wrote and produced a number of films in the X-Men film franchise for 20th Century Fox, and had produced a number of other projects for Fox, such as The Martian, which earned him an Academy Award nomination for Best Picture.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh Broadcasting live from Houston, Texas and around the world
and are around the world. TV host, best selling author
and radio personality, Brad Gilmour brings you a collection of
conversations with stars from movies. Matthew McConaughey, Brad Gilmore, Mark
(00:43):
wohlburg By, how are you the legendary mister Christopher Lloyd Christopher, how.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Are we doing? I'm doing good?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Says Jessica Alba and Lizzie Matthis ladies, thank you so
much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Kevin Coster joins us, Thank you so much, Thank you Television.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Jimmy Fallon joins us this morning. Jimmy, how you doing,
my friend? Good morning. Thank you so much Brad for
having me. I appreciate this.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Bud Kelly Ripper, thank you for having me comedy.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Jay Leno joins us, Jay, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Hey, Brad?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What's going on? Chris Tucker is in the Bill and
Chris Tucker good morning to you. Hey you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
George Lopez joins us right now, George, how are you doing? Sorry?
Good morning music, Lola Manro, thank you, Thank you for
having me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
The legendary front man of ac DC.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Brian Johnson joins us right now, Brian, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Good morning? Brock what look? Jo give me funny? Megan
Trainer you. Chloe Bailey joins us. I appreciate the time,
Appreciate you and more and more. This is the collection
now your host of the boat. Yeah, Brad Gilmore.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
At ESPNS, you get me thirty nine in Houston, Simon,
thank you so much having the time.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Congrats on season three.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Thank you so much, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Look, I wanted to ask you about that third season
because I feel like when you have a first season
of the television show, it's kind of establishing the world.
The second season expands that world, and by the time
you get to the third season, what are some of
the joys and the hurdles that you have to work
your way through getting into that third season.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, I think the thing that's unique about this show
is that the first couple of seasons that the main
characters are all separate. They're on their parallel storylines, and
the first season, like you said, the first season is
definitely establishing the characters and establishing the threat of the
alien invasion. The second season is escalating the threat and
escalating and deepening the characters. This season is certainly the
(02:39):
biggest threat and the biggest mission that the characters have
to go on. The first season was kind of survival.
The second season was still kind of a survival season,
and this is a season where our characters take the fight.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
To the aliens.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
It's really like it's a mission season, like a gun's
an Avarone kind of thing. But it's the first season
where all of these characters that have been established and
deepened over the first couple of seasons come together. And
so the beautiful thing about this season that makes it
different than the first two season, makes it feel like
makes it feel like the culmination of the first two
(03:13):
seasons is we get all of these main characters from
all over the world teaming up, and usually on a
show they would have teamed up in the first season,
and so we took our time and let them breathe,
and now they're just smashed together on life and death
for the human race life and death mission, in which
(03:35):
if they can work together and get over there you know, differences,
then we might survive.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
And if they can't, then we're gone. Then we're goneers.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I heard you say during the first season you kind
of had a bit of a loose road map of
what the you know, second season and subsequent ones would be.
Is this third season kind of the idea that was
there during season one?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
How different is it from that original vision?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, I think when we conceived the show from the
very beginning and then certainly working in season one, the
idea was always that the third season would be when
the characters would come together. So that part is as imagined.
We didn't I didn't really know what would bring them together,
(04:23):
to be honest, and I did not think that we
would start season three. The biggest difference is I'd never
imagine that we would start season three in peace, that
we would feel that the world would have a two
year moment of peace and tranquility, So that was very
different restarting the invasion, you know, this season was not
(04:47):
something that I'd imagined, but it felt like it was
necessary to give our characters a chance to settle into
real life again and then to shatter it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
When you have a television show different from a film, right,
a film two hours, whatever it is, and you see
these setups and payoffs within that structure, I think maybe
as a screenwriter that's a little bit of an easier
task to do because it's so condensed.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
You can jump a little bit further.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
When it's television, you have to slow play these character
progressions in turns. Do you find yourself sometimes like wanting
to go ahead and hurry up and get to something
that you have And is it difficult to slow play?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It's not. I mean it's they're both.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
They both have their challenges, right, because like a movie
is two hours of storytelling, and you've got a bunch
of characters and you've got a plot and all of
that to try to all tell in one hundred and
twenty pages. For me as a writer in two hours,
and so yeah, you can make certain jumps, but it's
hard to create something that feels really fully dense too,
(05:51):
you know, and like really deep with the characters. Whereas
in television, you have so much time for the characters
to breathe, and that's been what I've loved. I haven't
really felt in payatients in TV to sort of move
the characters along faster, because I've loved being able to
live with them. It's sort of the difference between like
if movies are like short stories or poems and television
is like a novel. You know that by the end
(06:13):
of this season, we will have spent almost thirty hours
on Invasion.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It's fifteen movies.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
And even when I was working in the X Men franchise,
which I worked on X Men for like almost twenty years,
and you know, it was six or seven movies and
logan maybe gives us seven or eight. That's only half
of the amount of time that we have with Invasion.
So I've loved being able to slow play and just
(06:39):
go deep with the characters as the story continues to
have forward momentum and progression. I mean, I think the
challenge is keeping the plot fresh in television because there's
only you know, they're threatened, their threat, and they're threatened.
In movies, it's like you got thirty minutes basically in
set up the characters in the threat, you got sixty
(06:59):
minutes to escalate it and have some bad things happen.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Then you got a.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Thirty minute third act and it's pretty mechanical in terms
of structure, and in TV is just way more open.
You can do a lot more radical things because you
have more time.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, I mean, you get you have that sandbox that
you get to play in, and you know what, I've
been enjoying watching the progression of these characters. Again, congratulations
on season three. I could talk to you for a
longer time, but really appreciate the time today.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, I likewise really appreciate it. I have a good
one time Timmy
Hey guys, Brad Gilmour here, want to give a big
shout out to our title sponsor, Walker Texas Lawyer. If
you are a love would have been injured in an accident,
whether that be a car, truck, motorcycle accident, or some
kind of other issue. Hit up Walker Texas Lawyer at
seven one three five five to two one one one
seven or Walker Texas Lawyer dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh Broadcasting live from Houston, Texas and around the world
and are around the world. TV host, best selling author
and radio personality, Brad Gilmour brings you a collection of
conversations with stars from movies. Matthew McConaughey, Brad Gilmore, Mark
(00:43):
wohlburg By, how are you the legendary mister Christopher Lloyd Christopher, how.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Are we doing? I'm doing good?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Says Jessica Alba and Lizzie Matthis ladies, thank you so
much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Kevin Coster joins us, Thank you so much, Thank you Television.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Jimmy Fallon joins us this morning. Jimmy, how you doing,
my friend? Good morning. Thank you so much Brad for
having me. I appreciate this.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Bud Kelly Ripper, thank you for having me comedy.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Jay Leno joins us, Jay, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Hey, Brad?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What's going on? Chris Tucker is in the Bill and
Chris Tucker good morning to you. Hey you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
George Lopez joins us right now, George, how are you doing? Sorry?
Good morning music, Lola Manro, thank you, Thank you for
having me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
The legendary front man of ac DC.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Brian Johnson joins us right now, Brian, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Good morning? Brock what look? Jo give me funny? Megan
Trainer you. Chloe Bailey joins us. I appreciate the time,
Appreciate you and more and more. This is the collection
now your host of the boat. Yeah, Brad Gilmore.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
At ESPNS, you get me thirty nine in Houston, Simon,
thank you so much having the time.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Congrats on season three.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Thank you so much, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Look, I wanted to ask you about that third season
because I feel like when you have a first season
of the television show, it's kind of establishing the world.
The second season expands that world, and by the time
you get to the third season, what are some of
the joys and the hurdles that you have to work
your way through getting into that third season.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, I think the thing that's unique about this show
is that the first couple of seasons that the main
characters are all separate. They're on their parallel storylines, and
the first season, like you said, the first season is
definitely establishing the characters and establishing the threat of the
alien invasion. The second season is escalating the threat and
escalating and deepening the characters. This season is certainly the
(02:39):
biggest threat and the biggest mission that the characters have
to go on. The first season was kind of survival.
The second season was still kind of a survival season,
and this is a season where our characters take the fight.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
To the aliens.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
It's really like it's a mission season, like a gun's
an Avarone kind of thing. But it's the first season
where all of these characters that have been established and
deepened over the first couple of seasons come together. And
so the beautiful thing about this season that makes it
different than the first two season, makes it feel like
makes it feel like the culmination of the first two
(03:13):
seasons is we get all of these main characters from
all over the world teaming up, and usually on a
show they would have teamed up in the first season,
and so we took our time and let them breathe,
and now they're just smashed together on life and death
for the human race life and death mission, in which
(03:35):
if they can work together and get over there you know, differences,
then we might survive.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
And if they can't, then we're gone. Then we're goneers.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I heard you say during the first season you kind
of had a bit of a loose road map of
what the you know, second season and subsequent ones would be.
Is this third season kind of the idea that was
there during season one?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
How different is it from that original vision?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, I think when we conceived the show from the
very beginning and then certainly working in season one, the
idea was always that the third season would be when
the characters would come together. So that part is as imagined.
We didn't I didn't really know what would bring them together,
(04:23):
to be honest, and I did not think that we
would start season three. The biggest difference is I'd never
imagine that we would start season three in peace, that
we would feel that the world would have a two
year moment of peace and tranquility, So that was very
different restarting the invasion, you know, this season was not
(04:47):
something that I'd imagined, but it felt like it was
necessary to give our characters a chance to settle into
real life again and then to shatter it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
When you have a television show different from a film, right,
a film two hours, whatever it is, and you see
these setups and payoffs within that structure, I think maybe
as a screenwriter that's a little bit of an easier
task to do because it's so condensed.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
You can jump a little bit further.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
When it's television, you have to slow play these character
progressions in turns. Do you find yourself sometimes like wanting
to go ahead and hurry up and get to something
that you have And is it difficult to slow play?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It's not. I mean it's they're both.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
They both have their challenges, right, because like a movie
is two hours of storytelling, and you've got a bunch
of characters and you've got a plot and all of
that to try to all tell in one hundred and
twenty pages. For me as a writer in two hours,
and so yeah, you can make certain jumps, but it's
hard to create something that feels really fully dense too,
(05:51):
you know, and like really deep with the characters. Whereas
in television, you have so much time for the characters
to breathe, and that's been what I've loved. I haven't
really felt in payatients in TV to sort of move
the characters along faster, because I've loved being able to
live with them. It's sort of the difference between like
if movies are like short stories or poems and television
is like a novel. You know that by the end
(06:13):
of this season, we will have spent almost thirty hours
on Invasion.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It's fifteen movies.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
And even when I was working in the X Men franchise,
which I worked on X Men for like almost twenty years,
and you know, it was six or seven movies and
logan maybe gives us seven or eight. That's only half
of the amount of time that we have with Invasion.
So I've loved being able to slow play and just
(06:39):
go deep with the characters as the story continues to
have forward momentum and progression. I mean, I think the
challenge is keeping the plot fresh in television because there's
only you know, they're threatened, their threat, and they're threatened.
In movies, it's like you got thirty minutes basically in
set up the characters in the threat, you got sixty
(06:59):
minutes to escalate it and have some bad things happen.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Then you got a.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Thirty minute third act and it's pretty mechanical in terms
of structure, and in TV is just way more open.
You can do a lot more radical things because you
have more time.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, I mean, you get you have that sandbox that
you get to play in, and you know what, I've
been enjoying watching the progression of these characters. Again, congratulations
on season three. I could talk to you for a
longer time, but really appreciate the time today.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, I likewise really appreciate it. I have a good
one time Timmy
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