Episode 291 - Tierney Steele is Back!

Tierne Steele is back. They talk about a lot of stuff.

Episode Transcript

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Hey Kids, is episode two ninetyone of the Cosmic Chippetto podcast. Very
excited because coming back to the showone last time is Tierney Steele, who
is an excellent podcaster and author andone of the people who I've just grown
so fond of during the run ofthis show, and I was glad we'd

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get her one last time and wehad sort of a subject to talk about.
It went off in about a thousanddifferent directions, but I really enjoyed
the conversation, as they always dowith Tierney. Any who I know,
this sounds like one of my manyepisodes, and I am recording it like

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a many episode, And over thelast few weeks I've been doing these recordings
in my car because quite frankly,I got a lot of kids running around
my house and a lot of crazinessand often driving to and fro as a
time when I'm able to do somerecording. And I am recording this on

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Sunday, the day Sunday, Octobertwenty ninth, the day after it was
revealed that Matthew Perry died of anapparent heart attack and drowning. He was
and I don't think everything is completelyknown, but from what I have been

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made to understand he was in hishot tub, he had a heart attack
and apparently drowned as a result.That it could end up being a little
more involved or complicated, and itdoesn't matter. I hate to say,
it doesn't matter how he passed,but that is not the most important thing

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in the grand scheme of things.What's important is Matthew Perry was an iconic
performer in the role of Chandler Bingin the TV show Friends, and I
remember Friends came out when I wasin college, and it was such delightful,

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wish fulfillment. And it wasn't thebest written show. It wasn't Frasier,
which is getting a reboot right now. Uh, and Fraser was always
a very smart uh program, Itwasn't It's While people still watch Friends,

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it hasn't aged the best. Ithad a very whitewashed version of New York
City. Also, they relied alittle too heavily on gay panic jokes.
But it was very well cast andwas able to make some true stars.

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Jennifer Aniston is still a viable TVstar. She did her She had some
success with movies and never quite reacheda list, but her name attached to

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a TV mini series or a TVseries Kids That show made Lisa Cadreau has
done some good work. She's becomemore of a character. Actor. Courtney
Cox went from Friends, Try anotherTV drama that didn't quite catch on,

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had some success in movies with theScreen franchise, and then was in Cougartown,
which I thought was a really goodshow and also sort of a show
that avoided some of the problems thatFriends had. David Schwimmer did some movie
work and pops up doing well respectedroles in TV. Matt LeBlanc had another

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was it Man of the House orsomething along those lines, shows that I
didn't watch but had success. Andthen he was all So in another HBO
or Showtime at pay cable series wherehe was playing a version of himself that
got good buzz. So they allhad a lot of success. Matthew Perry,

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you could see how badly they wantedhim to do the same for him
to have that success. He hadquite a few TV shows, What Was
It Go On? And The OddCouple, all of which were good,
but he was still sort of playingChandler. He was very good on a

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handful of episodes of The Good Wife, and then The Good Wife spent off
The Good Fight where a little bitmore of a dramatic take while still not
being a super serious character but playinglike a bad guy, playing a weasel,
and he did that really well.Matthew Perry was in the news a

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lot recently, between Friends having ananniversary episode and him having an autobiography that
came out and autobiography that came out. I mumbled at sorry that autobiography got
a lot of press because he talkedvery openly about his substance abuse issues.

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Matthew Perry was in a world wherehe was a very funny guy in an
industry with great looking people, andhe was a good looking fella, like
if he was in your office,he'd be the cute guy in the office,
But in a world where he's competingagainst uh, you know, a

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young Ray Fines for role or aDylan McDermott or dermotmel Roney and you know,
I know that's a joke, butI still I don't know which one
and switch, and he is datingridiculously beautiful women. He apparently his insecurities

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led to a very quick end toa blossoming relationship we had with Julia Roberts
and this is Julia Roberts, whereshe was the most charismatic, beautiful of
a list woman on the planet,but he was It's funny like in the

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again, in real world, wasa very good looking guy, a world
class athlete. He was an excellenttennis player. I think he was like
a world ranked junior youthed tennis player. So it's funny where he was the
wimpy, unathletic guy on Friends andhe was easily the best athlete on that

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show. And I think it reallycould strike people, you know, and
we all have had that where wehave a friend or relative or someone in
our circle who is a really goodlooking, good looking to the point where

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everyone thinks he's funny, charming orwhatever, and he's like, no,
he's just really handsome, or she'sjust got an amazing figure, or he's
got great biceps, and you know, it can be a difficult thing to
compete with if you're just a meremortal. And I think that's why we

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all gravitated towards Matthew Perry, asidefor the fact he had amazing comedic timing,
had a very effortless charm. Ithink we all wanted to like we
all wanted to protect Chandler. Isaid, I've said to him Friends where

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I lost interest in Friends pamfway throughthe run of the show, which is
an uncommon The show was on fora very long time. You don't love
every show forever. One of thethings that tempered my enjoyment of the show
was just how mean Phoebe, thecharacter Phoebe became towards Chandler, and it

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was just a weird thing where Phoebewas supposed to be nice and kind of
ditzy, and she just would Itwas really rude to Chandler. I wanted
to protect Chandler because I saw myselfand him. You know, the guy
can be kind of whippy and sardonicand sarcastic, and I saw myself at

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him, and it's heartbreaking. Hepassed. I think it was the age
of fifty four. You hoped therewas hope that he would defeat his substance
abuse issues, which it sounds likehe was doing well with and would be

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able to sort of get back infighting shape. And the comedic possibilities were
endless, and I also think thedramatic possibilities were also really impressive. Somebody
with his timing, his likability,his charm. But then also and he

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brought this to his comedic performances.And sometimes the greatest dramatic actors are comedic
personalities where there's an underlying pathos orpain to their performance, like Robert Williams
who did Oscar caliber Oscar winning workas a dramatic actor, like Jim Carrey

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who Eternal, Eternal Sunshine on TheSpotless Mind was just a brilliant performance from
Jim Carrey where he just rained inhis wacky stick and you got to see
the pain that was always behind hisperformances. And I sadly, I think

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we're gonna we will miss that fromMatthew Perry. I don't know if it
was going to happen. He hadn'tbeen working a lot in recent years,
but there were there was some muchmore depths to be explored with him as
a performer. And yeah, thisis a sad one. This is one

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that sort of hits. It's sortof deep for people in their thirties,
forties, fifties. I know,because the show has maintained a lot of
popularity and new generations keep finding it. But I think people in my age
wanted to be what our life tobe like friends. We wanted to have
those, you know, rooming withour best friends and across the hall from

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our other best friends and being ableto just walk into each other's rooms and
you know, just hang out.I remember there was just a neat moment
where it was such a minor momentwhere Joey or Ross walks into Chandler and
Joey's apartment, Chandler sitting on thecouch and Monica is sitting on his lap,

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and this is before the characters wereinvolved, but they were just casually
snuggled up on a chair. AndI remember those moments in college, especially
where even if you're not somebody thatyou romantically paired with, your dorm room

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would have like maybe an uncomfortable chairor two, and then you know,
the double beds, and you wouldjust hop on the bed and snuggle up
with your friend. Of frequent contributorto the show, Amy Kennerup, I
remember there was a couple of timeswhere we'd be hanging out and you and

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she would just rest her head onmy shoulder while we were talking on to
bed, and there was just sucha innocent and heartwarming intimacy that you have
with friends at that age, andyou wanted at the last forever and when
you watch the TV show Friends,Last Forever, and I think for a
lot of people, especially me,Matthew Perry's performance of Chandler, what was

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sort of the entryway to that,we're in a world where we get we're

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just getting nickeled and dimed by alot of little stuff, like all the
streaming services. Oh, I refuseto give Apple money to access my own
music. It's like, but don'tyou want to access your library on your
phone? And I'm like, Ifucking already paid for all this or took
the chance of getting some horrible virus. I was in college, you know,

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like I have, this is mymusic. I'm not giving you twenty
five dollars a year to access it. Yeah. Yeah, I just gave
up on Apple as well. Iwill live and die by this principle.
It lets me access There's a couplelike playlists I had made that transferred over
and then I actually bought to TaylorSwift albums that are so it looks like

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I only listened to Taylor Swift becausethat's the only thing that's on my phone
because I bought it through Apple,so it's like, oh, yeah,
here you go, and I'm like, where's the rest of my stuff,
guys? But it's fine, No, it's well, and not even just

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nickel and dimes. But like,podcasting has changed since we got into this,
Like it's not the same anymore.I'm kind of looking down that tunnel
towards the end too, of like, unless unless you do this as a
living, you can't do this anymore. And not that it's impossible, but

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it was difficult because when when Ifirst listened to podcasts, it was it
was very wild West, and Iremember the first show I listened to that
I really liked was, of allthings, the Adam Corolla Program because it
was the most professional sounding podcast aroundat the time, and a lot of

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podcasts were just people meandering for threehours and with no with no structure,
no budget. The worst example ofit, or the prime example of it,
is Kevin Smith. And I wasa Kevin smith man, and I
still appreciate what Kevin Smith has done, but he really got into podcasting.
But I think he's a I thinkhe's a bad podcaster. He has other

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talents. Kevin Smith is going tobe fine. Well, and you know,
what he makes a lot. Ithink he does very well for himself
as a podcaster because people like toif you're a fan of his, you're
able to if you're able to survivehis three hour meandering. I don't know
if he's I haven't listened to.I don't think he's smoked as much marijuana

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as he used to. But hewould just be stoned and giggly and go
on and on and on, andhis co host would be his friends from
high school who weren't very talented,so he didn't have a good person to
bounce off of, and it waslike, oh, this is going on
forever. Corolla was because he hada radio history, had interests, and

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atros, he had segments he hadlike guess it was very structured, so
you had all the advantages of talkradio, where a professional guy with a
good radio voice who knows how toyou know, the beats of an episode,
but without the constraints of and everyhour on you know, on the
fives, we'll do the traffic report, all that crap. See. I

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think my problem is I got intoit and it was very do it yourself.
It was, you know, obviouslyI wasn't making money off this but
think you know, it got throwna ten bucks here at ten bucks there,
and it wasn't very expensive, soit was fine. And the last

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time I went to upload a newshow it took like five days and it
was like you used to be ableto just here by the time. I
like thought, And I don't know, I feel like they expect that the
person who is submody, you knowwhat it is. They expect that the
person who makes the podcast is notthe same person. They pay someone to

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sit there and submit their shows anddo the graphic design and do all that,
you know, like they don't expectthat it's one person doing it anymore,
which is what I learned to do. And I'm not paying someone to
promote my show to and I'm nota celebrity doing a show based on Every

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celebrity has a show and that's it. It's all celebrities now, and they
can they can pay someone to dothe grunt work for them. Interest.
There was a podcast for a whilecalled I Forget That Now. I'm completely
blanket of title, but it was. It was Mark Paul Gosler, who
played Zack Morris and Saved by theBell, and he was doing a watch

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Along because he had not. Hesaid he had not. Many of the
episodes have Saved by the Bell henever watched. He's one of these people.
He's the performer who doesn't actually likewatching themselves on screen. Him and
a partner. Did you ever seethe YouTube videos Zack Morris's trash? I
didn't. I remember when his podcastcame out, like hearing about this,

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but I wasn't into that. Partnerwas this guy who did these series of
videos where they would recap all theepisodes that Saved by the Bell and talk
about how Zach Morris was actually aterrible human being. An all credit to
the guy, to Mark Paul Gossler. He got the joke and they ended
up becoming friendly, and they didthis watch along podcast and they had good

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guests because a lot of people whoended up having good careers had cameos or
you know whatever, or small rolesor background on an episode here or there.
I was only able. I listenedto like a handful of episodes and
it was very It was good,but I was like, eh, I

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didn't actually like this show that muchwhen I was a kid. But Mark
Paul Gosler has been doing advertisements fordoing interviews for a new show that he
has coming out, and they askedhim about it because apparently the show ended
before they got through all the episodes, and he revealed it because they lost
the network, the podcast network thatwas producing the show either canceled the show

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or they went under or whatever,and they're looking. I was like,
oh my god, you had anetwork. Like. It wasn't just he
wanted to rewatch these episodes with somebodyhe likes. It was somebody was paying
him money and there was a professionalstudio behind it. I was like,
oh my god, this is thisisn't what it was? Yeah, yeah,

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which I mean, we sound likethe oldest people yelling get off our
lawn. I'm fully aware that Isound like a cranky old person. Back
in my day, everyone edited theirown audio. I've been you know what,
I got eight years out of this. I've done cosmic geppetto for eight
years. That's a long time.And if you would have told me eight

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years ago, when I was boredand I had infant children and I didn't
have the time, and you know, you know this very well, you're
more intimately familiar with it right nowthan I am. I just had to
mute my microphone while my five yearold, who I was pregnant with during
my first shows, came into theroom. It's a trip. I wasn't,

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you know. I like making music, I liked doing theater. I
wasn't able to do those things.So I found podcasting something I could do
from home. And you know,if you had told me when I started
this, I would still be doingit eight years later. And the people
I've got a chance to talk toand interview and meet more than a win.
But I just I just and I'vetold this story. I was driving

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home. I dropped my son offat school every day, and I was
driving back and I just was like, I don't have it. I don't
have a guest for this next podcast. Oh god, I'm gonna have to
reach out and I don't have anything, and I'm really inspired by it.
And I just stopped saying why amI still doing the show? Because when
it becomes a chore or when youdon't feel inspired by it anymore, and
that's when I said, it's like, we're gonna end with episode three hundred,

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and that remotivated me because like,Okay, this is my opportunity to
get you back on and have itlike I'm gonna have Scott Crellly back on.
Like my favorite guest, I getone more round with them is having
jar fun. And this all startedwith me and Jarff. Jeff was my
guest on the first regular episode andhe's been a regular contributor the whole time.

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Jarff has gone off on his ownthing, and it was funny.
We just posted an episode when thisone comes out where we used to do
a recurring thing where we would findsomething in pulp culture that we think needs
to be fixed and then we wouldtalk about what needs to do to fix
it. And we hadn't done thatin years because jarfus does his own thing,

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and I you know, and it'slike, oh I missed doing that,
and it sort of inspires you togo back. And the kids are
older, I have my I'm doingtheater again, and also I'm doing music
again, and you know, likein mid November, my band is playing
a gig and it's fun. Youknow, it's a different thing and trying

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to put a new effort into that. But we're we got to go out
on a high note. So obviously, would you like to talk about what
we said we'd be here to talkabout today. Well, first, we've
been talking for about twenty minutes.I haven't even introduced you yet. Returning
to the podcast, and it's beena while. It really has Tyranny Steele

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One Steele Sister. That's still yourhandle, right, that's me. Yep,
yep, still got that website onesteel sister dot com with the links
to my many shows and my manyguest appearances and my book. When we
started this, I was working ina library and you know, to just

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gotten married and thinking ouh, maybeall the kid And now I'm a published
author with a five year old whowon't go to bed. So sorry if
that's being picked up on the audio. I'm still going. I am on
the hook for another podcast show,at least one more, one more round
for me, So I'll say notthat long ago in the news and this

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is is this was a movie thatespecially has some residents in Baltimore. There
was some talk about Michael Orr whowas the subject of the movie blind Side,
which one Sandra Bullock and Oscar forher portrayal, and it was nominated
Best Picture, wasn't it. Ithink you're right. I just was talking

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about like Oscar, you know,movies that one that shouldn't have and I'm
pretty sure Blindside was on the listof nominees. Yeah it was. And
I don't know, have you everwatched the blind Side? I have,
so yeah, audience, we're justwe're painting a picture of a well regarded
motion picture. Oscars have a weirdthing where they nominate something and sometimes they

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become surprisingly dated. But even withBlindside, and I watched the movie,
I liked it well enough, andI live outside of Baltimore, and Baltimore
people liked it a lot because MichaelOrr got drafted by who was a The
movie was about him. He wasa high school college football player who was
taken in by an affluent southern whitefamily and they made him a member of

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his family and he became a greatfootball player who got drafted in the first
round by the Baltimore Ravens Boom Baltimoreconnection. I actually got to meet meets
too strong a term. But MichaelOrr, who became put out his own
book after the movie came out,did a book signing at a bookstore a

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little north of Baltimore, and wewent and we got his autograph and he
was very nice. My oldest wasvery young at the time, and he
like high five Chase and he's like, ah, what a cute kid,
and he was very nice. Eventhen. Watching the movie, I was
like, can't believe this, can'tbelieve this isn't considered an Oscar worthy movie.

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Sandra Bullock was very good in it, but how do I put this?
It seemed like a and there's alot of Oscar awards given out like
this. It seemed like a careerachievement Oscar where Sandra Bullock has been very
good, She's very well liked inthe industry, and she finally and she
did a movie that was good enoughand it was serious enough where they gave

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her an Oscar. I was justgonna say, because I did not see
The Blindside in theaters. I knewit existed, I knew what it was
about, and it just did notcapture my attention. Whatever New England Yankee,
you know what do I care?And then it was getting the Oscar
buzz and so I did eventually watchit once it came out on tape.

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You know, I think it wasprobably HBO, and like I had HBO
that year for some reason or something. But whatever it was on, I
watched it, and I remember prettysoon after the movie came out, and
having been a person who was interestedin film, had studied film, there
was a little bit of that likeis this a feel good stuff? Like

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this is kind of weird that shejust like takes this kid, but you
know it's the feel good Like no, she she uplifts him and he and
he made it. He's a Baltimoreraven blah blah blah. I also had
just this little bit of icky feelingbecause I feel like I watched it right
around when New York City especially ormaybe this was a national thing was talking

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about problem. I guess it dependson what side you're on. Maybe some
people don't see this as a problemof religious schools, like like if if
you have charter money, can yourschool be real? You know, like
if it's not a public school,can you do prayer and stuff? And
in this film they attend a nota Catholic school, because I mean,

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I knew I always need you Catholicschools. Catholic schools always existed, they
were always a Catholic school running around. But where I grew up in New
England, there were not other Christianbut not Catholic separate schools. Why would
you need a separate school for that, you just went to regular school.
And again, this is one hundredpercent my own bias. You know,

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I'm a white lady from Connecticut.Is not a broad worldview that I brought
to the table. But when theyshow in the movie, like, oh
yeah, and they go to theschool, and I realized it was like,
oh my god, that's those arethe schools that they've been talking about
where it's like religious school but notCatholic, And my little brain was just
starting to like know that that wasthe thing. So now that I've I've

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revealed my incredible ignorance of the world. But that was my Even when I
first watched this movie, I hadthat little tingle in the back of my
brain of like, I don't know, this is kind of creepy, right,
And when did Peyton Manning do theskit on SNL making fun of the
blind Side? I should have lookedthat up as part of my research.

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I think a lot of people knewit was sort of dicey at the time.
I remember there was a lot mymemory of when the movie came out,
it did well financially. Sandra Bullockgot good press for it, like
the people appreciated the acting, buta lot of people said at the time
it just felt like a It feltlike a Hallmark movie with a with a

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better cast and a little bit betterbudget. It didn't it didn't look bad,
but it didn't look great. AndI can't think of the term,
the saviorism term that it was justlike a white savior. I was like,
don't because I remember people talking,but like, aren't there other stories
we could be telling then this one? But it was a real story,

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so obviously it got a pass rightright, and listen, I'm again Michael
Orr. I heard him on theradio all the time. I saw him
on TV. Met the guy,ever so briefly met the guy. We
bought his book. I read hisbook. He was always irritated by he
always expressed frustration the way he waspresented in that movie, because the movie

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literally had this big athletic guy whodidn't really care about football, didn't understand
football, who had this preteen teachinghim football in the living room because Michael
Orr didn't know football, but thekid did. And Michael Orr said,
how No, he always had apassion for sport. You don't get that

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good just because you have physical abilities. You don't become a world class athlete
without having a passion for the game. And also another funny thing Michael Or,
and this was brought up when peoplewould interview him, was the first
case of them doing a movie aboutsomeone and the real life version is actually

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better looking, better shape, morecharismatic than the movie version. And that's
why I wanted to talk to youbecause there it caused a lot of controversy
because Michael Orr ended up psuing thatthe family that quote unquote adopted him.
It turns out they didn't adopt him. They put him on a conservator conservatorship,
which has been in the news sothe last couple of years because of

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Britney Spears being under a conservatorship,and he is claiming that they made a
lot of money off his life story, more than he did, and it
was his life story. There area lot of cases of that, of
these biopics based on a true storyand it turns out sort of crap.

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It's sort of interesting how we shouldfeel about that. You know, when
I broached this with you, Iknew you would bring the goods on it,
Like can you think of some biopicsthat you've really enjoyed, but your
new deep down it's like, wow, this is this is sort of crap.
I actually have probably my favorite buttI'm trying to think. I'm like
running through my head. I thinkof the straight up biopicks my absolutely favorite

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one, and it has a counterexample and an example of this. I
love the film Rudy. I don'tcare. I like Notre Dame Fight in
Irish all the way. My grandfatherwent to Notre Dame for undergrad. He's
from Indiana, and I just Ilove the movie Rudy. I don't care

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how smalcy. It is victory,victory, that's our cry. See okay,
anyway, I won't start quoting fromthe movie, or we'll be here
all night. And I remember thatmoment when it's like, perhaps Daniel E.
Rudiger, it's not Sean Aston inthis movie. But it also contains
my favorite counter exit, which isyou don't often hear about this someone who
was portrayed worse in a movie thanin real life. Would you like to

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know, well, I know thewell with Rudy. I know the coach
who is presented as a bad guy, Dan divine Dan Divine had no problem
with Rudy playing. It was likehis idea. I mean, not his
idea, it was, but likeso Disney, nah, but Disney,
let's face it went to him andsaid basically, we need a bad guy

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for our film, Like, doyou mind if we make you the bad
guy? And he signed off andsaid, yeah, you know, the
present is like we need to havesome conflict. We're gonna have it that
you uh don't don't have them onthe list or something, so that the
players will will advocate for him.And so he said, yeah, that's
fine. And then after he sawthe movie, he's like, oh my
god, Like people were coming upand like yelling at him in the street

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and he's like, I didn't dothat. It's yeah, it's hilarious because
the poor guy who was a fairlysuch a big supporter of Rudy and he
gets he gets played by one ofthe one of these all time great Weasley
actors who you just want to punchin the face whenever you see him.

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Some people make wonderful careers out ofbeing that guy. But yes, yes
was Stephen another actor like that,Stephen Tobolaski, who loves going on podcasts
and it comes across as the sweetesthuman being on the planet. But you
know, Bill Murray punched him inGroundhog's Day and everyone cheered. That type
of actor can come me rich becausehitting wucking them street family. And now

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you got that Henvy's getting up thesnack of the head with the clean he's
on the friend. You know.I mentioned another football movie where Vinnie Papali
who was a player for the uhPhiladelphia Eagles, and I'm a lifelong Philadelphia
fan, and uh they turned hisstory into the movie Invincible, starring Mark

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Wahlberg. But they turned it intothe movie Invincible, which is a movie
I liked very much. But inthe movie, the Philadelphia Eagles held open
tryouts where any fan could try outfor the Eagles, and Papali, who

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uh never like They sort of impliedthat, like all the football I played,
was just in like rainy backlots withhis buddies, and he was able
to make the team and the ownerdidn't want him on the team, but
the coach did well. It turnsout that was crap. Vini Papally he

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had some college football experience and thenhe tried out for an He did do
a walk on tryout for a minorleague football team and based in Philadelphia area.
But that's sort of what everyone did. Most towns have a like a
an independent league football team or baseballteam or whatever that any schmock off the
Streak can imply, because that's howthey get their talent. So he played

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for that team, excelled, andthen was given a chance by the Eagles,
not because he was a plucky youknow, not because it was a
heartwarming story, but because, yeah, he was a pretty good football player,
and football teams need fifty plus peopleto play. And the end of
the movie, and it's a verygood movie, Papali is plucky and tough,

(37:30):
and he ends up this amazing playwhere he it's a punt. It's
a punt, and he's able toget to jump on it and he knocks
the other player and he gets theball gets loose and it's just like ten
yard run and he grabs it andhe's chased like half the field. It

(37:51):
makes it field look like it's twomiles long. And then at the end
of the movie they show the actualplay. It's like, yeah, he
hit a guy and he picked upthe ball real quick, and he was
two yards away from a touchdown,and it wasn't nearly as interesting. It
wasn't nearly as cinematic. There wasno slow motion. I think most of
most movies that I thought of whenyou mentioned this, it's like, Okay,

(38:17):
things are things are are for themovie. Things are done for the
movie, and there's lots of Ilove. I went to college at a
time where I could have told youany of the songs from the film's Center
Stage and Coyote Ugly, Now arethose based on real stories? Kind of?

(38:40):
They're not biopics though, Like,but you know, it's there's just
every time I see a movie,I have that suspension of disbelief. You
know, it's like the forties moviesand fifties movies. Yeah, I'm sure
there were people who grew roses andwere local heroes during in England during World

(39:05):
War Two, But Missus Minerva isn'treal. Jimmy Stewart is not a real
person. And I think that's thedifference with something like The blind Side,
with something like Dan Devine, likethese are real people who could stand up
and be like, yeah, that'swhat it was like, or no,
that's not what it was like.And I think a lot of the icky

(39:29):
feelings come from like was Michael ora mine? Like when in the conservative
worship and stuff like that. Ijust said that word run too. It's
you don't realize how hard that wordis to say until you have to do
it. It's too similar to otherwords, and it's got a lot of
syllables You're gonna, you're gonna,which I want to throw out there.

(39:52):
There is a podcast not so muchrelated to biopics, but I think is
a very very important podcast and it'sby a former celebrity, So I am
a hypocrite from what I said atthe top of this show. Dear Hollywood,
which is a podcast by Alison Stoner, who is a dancer and actress

(40:12):
as a child, is about childstar it and what stardom does to a
kid, like not just the solations, but like what does it do to
their brain? Like how do youdevelop differently if this is the world you
grow up in? And it isfascinating and sad and a great listen.

(40:34):
So I just wanted to throw thatout there as a little plug because I
think Dear Hollywood is a really importantshow. It's and I just abscribed to
that podcast because that sounds really fascinating. The thing with you know, these
based on the true stories, sometimesI don't like it. In the case

(40:55):
of Rudy, you know, Rudymakes you feel lit uncomfortable because you know,
a guy who was actually a legitgood guy and a supporter of Rudy
becomes the bad guy and people likeconfuse things well, and Rudy is very
again he's it's not like it's notthe real story, but it is punched

(41:15):
up for the fact that stuff withhis dad was not a factor, like
and then he went on to likehave this like the fraud thing, and
so it's just like, Okay,this is not like some idea. People
are human. I think that's whata big part of your Hollywood's always like
people are human and they're messy andthey're complicated. Yeah, it's you know,

(41:40):
it's fine. In general. It'slike, Okay, you're taking a
story and you're punching it up,and you gotta take big, messy lives
and put it into an hour anda half two hour. I get that
we are Marshall. I'm sure stuffand we are Marshall is hollywooded up.
But I don't care. I stilllove that movie where it gets makes me

(42:01):
feel a little queasy is and itis another movie I liked, and I
know a lot of people like thismovie, and I think it also got
some Oscar consideration. The Greatest ShowmanHugh Jackman kicking ass. Yeah, and

(42:24):
Hugh Jackman. It is funny becausewe think of the general public thinks that
Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, and Wolverinecouldn't be any less, and he's a
very good Wolverine, but that it'sa role that makes the least use of
Hugh Jackman's talents, because Hugh Jackmanis a great singing, dancing guy with

(42:51):
a wonderful charisma and likability, andyou know, you know, The Greatest
Showman took full advantage of that.And it's about P. T. Barnum,
who was a garbage human being.He wasn't a charming, likable guy

(43:12):
who was giving people a chance tolet their light shine and get no.
He like owned people. He boughtpeople. And it's funny because somewhere in
an alternate universe there is a realisticversion of the Greatest Showman And it is
also an amazing movie that got Oscarconsideration. Yeah, but instead of Hugh

(43:37):
Jackman being charming and singing. It'sWilliam d williem Dafoe, like everyone rooting
for him to die of syphilis.At the end of the movie. It's
yeah, yeah, it's and it'stough because then you have that it's like,

(43:59):
ah, so my kids are youknow, kids watching and sing like
it's like I want to be likePete Barnam was like, I'd kick you
out of the house. And thisis not a new thing. Heck,
what was it? Mutiny in theBounty, which isn't a story that really
gets told anymore, but there werea bunch of movie versions of that and

(44:22):
about mister Christian and Captain Bly,And in most of the tellings, mister
Christian was a good upstanding man whouh fell in love with a woman on
an island they visited, and youknow, the evil Captain Bly wouldn't allow
them to you know, wouldn't forbadetheir love and was a cruel task master.

(44:49):
That's a story that happened because inthe real world Captain Bly uh was
you know, was out to seeand then everybo the people who committed a
mutiny against him, they went totrial, and then they went to newspapers
and they ended up controlling the narrativeand for that for like hundreds of years,
this story, which is completely BSnow. It was a bunch of

(45:13):
guys who were basically sexually assaulting localisland girls and getting chlamydia at the time,
and then they decided to we're gonnalike set their captain and a few
other crew member out to see todie. And then Captain Blygh was an
amazing navigator and ended up surviving,and it's considered to be one of the

(45:37):
two or three greatest nautical feats ofall time because they were able to survive
and they didn't resort to cannibalism.But this is a BS story that's been
told for so long and all ofa sudden it becomes the narrative. And
again it's not something that's really touchedupon too much anymore. First, for

(45:59):
whatever reason, that's a story thatjust ran out of steam thirty years ago.
There was actually a movie the lasttime. It was a movie version
with Mel Gibson playing mister Christian andAnthony Hopkins playing the captain. And this
is like twenty five to thirty yearold Mel Gibson when he was at his

(46:20):
most charming, his most likable,and we didn't know what we know now.
Oh, did you ever watch Oneof my favorite things that ever came
about came about because of the inaccuraciesin Braveheart? Did you ever watch a
show on the History Channel called Reelto Reel R EA L t R E

(46:40):
E L And it was it washistorians talking about historical movies. And one
of my absolute favorite things that I'veever seen in my life that is imprinted
on my memory is a woman definitelysome sort of Britain, maybe Scottish,
maybe not, but definitely somewhere fromthe British Isles with with short brown hair,

(47:07):
and she's laughing so hard that liketears are coming down her cheeks,
and she finally manages to get outhe'd been dead for seven years in reaction
to the idea that it was Robertthe Bruce's father was like part of the
plot, you know, part ofthe plotting, and she's like, you'd
been dead for seven years and itjust all right, real to real is

(47:30):
great. The other thing, theother one I wanted to bring up.
I'm sorry, I'm really bad atcoming up of examples of actual movies,
but things around this topic. ApparentlyI'm great at finding because I have another
reference for you. If you havenot seen the Bob's Burger episode Topsy,

(47:51):
you should absolutely that it is.It is Let's see where is It?
Season three, episode sixteen, andat Bob's Burger's, which is an animated
cartoon on Fox for people who havebeen living under a rock. It is
the science fair at Wagstaff School andLouise wants to use the same volcanos she
made last year, but her substituteteacher Thomas Edison impersonator mister Dinkler, with

(48:15):
a strict no volcano's role, demandsto make a project about Edison himself instead.
After a tip off by the school'slibrary, and she discovers electrocuting an
elephant the nineteen oh three film shotby the Edison Studios, A Little Electrocution
of Topsy the Elephant. Louise decidesto recreate the electrocution despite mister Dinkler,
with Tina playing Topsy and gen IsEdison, a role he accepts only after

(48:37):
Louise allows him to write a musicalnumber for it. Oh my god,
that's the craziest thing I've ever heardin my life. Questionable person. I
hate to sound like a jane andold person, but I just assume everyone

(48:57):
is actually a jerk in real life. Let's proven otherwise. Like I'm you
know, once you're past thirty,you just kind of assumed that everyone has
good and bad in them, right, Yeah, you get a little You
get end up being burned too manytimes by your heroes. Yeah, what

(49:22):
was it? Jerry Porter who playsdrums. He lives in la and he's
a musician, so he gets tomeet all people and he's like, yeah,
you know, he doesn't get verystarry eyed, and he was talking
about Miles Davis and he goes,never read about your heroes books. You
have to meet him. Just readingthe book was bad enough. Yeah,

(49:44):
I was a I did a lot. I have done theater forever and I
and I took plenty of acting intheater classes, and I also took a
Tennessee Williams class. And you endedup getting subjected to a lot of the
work of Marlon Brando because he startBrando starting to famously street car named Desire,

(50:09):
which he gave a brilliant performance,and then he did another movie called
Fugitive Kind And you don't read aboutBrando. He he was, and a
lot of people are listening to this, their view of Brando will be late

(50:30):
stage thinking about The Godfather an ApocalypseNow. Yeah, shout out to the
Apocalypse Now Minutes podcast. But people, some people are not even thinking of
those because Brando, for the lastpart of his life, he was just
a heavy set, weird guy whowas you know, came across kind of
creepy in interviews if you saw him, and then you find out he was

(50:53):
belligerent, egotistical and lazy. Thereare great and you mentioned The Godfather.
There are still shots on the setof Robert Duval wearing basically a piece of
cardboard taped to his chest with MarlonBrando's lines in that movie, because Brando

(51:16):
could not be bothered to learn hislines, and apparently he would like have
people write like he would write lineson people's foreheads so he could look like
he's looking at when he's actually readingthe lines off their forehead. Doing these
movies by minute podcasts, and especiallydoing one about because I did one about

(51:38):
Apocalypse Now and I read, youknow, Eleanor Coppola's notes and you know
again, but I was already atthat point of like yeah, sometimes sometimes
people were jerks, but sometimes theyweren't. And I really it makes me
appreciate more knowing that, Like,you know, I love George Lucas.

(52:05):
I wanted to be George Lucas formost of my life. I'm kind of
team Marsha when it comes down toit, like, yeah, she cheated
on him, but like he wroteher out of the Star Wars story and
that does not sit well with me. Knowing everything that I've read, doing

(52:25):
American graffiti and and everything. It'sjust like, you know, you can
be mad, but you don't getto pretend that this person doesn't exist for
everyone. But it makes me appreciatemore. And again, he'd be the
first one to say, like he'snot a perfect person. Steven Spielberg seems
like a decent guy. Did somedrugs but didn't have it, you know,

(52:51):
Like all these people, it's likeit makes you appreciate the ones where
it's like, yeah, they havetheir problems, but overall a decent pert.
And the other place I run intothis freakin' all the time is I'm
a big follower of baseball. Severalof my shows have touched on that.
Do you know how hard it is? To pick out a favorite baseball player

(53:12):
who wasn't a jerk. It's realhard, It's real hard. I I
you know, a group of Philliesfan so three of my favorite Phillies during
their playing career, Pete Rose thatwent Downhill, Kurt Shilling, Oh yeah,

(53:36):
Kurch. I. I was sucha Kurt Shilling fan, aside from
the fact that he was a reallygood player. He I remember every year
one of the local sports talk stations, WIP would have a fundraiser, and
Kurt Shilling was one of the fewPhillies there was some yeah, would have

(54:00):
like signed bats and you know,VIP tickets and stuff. Kurt Shilling,
in conjunction with this radio station,had a for a fundraiser. You could
bid to have dinner at Kurt Shilling'shouse. You could go to You would

(54:22):
go to his house, he andhis wife would cook you dinner and you
would get to hang out with him. And I thought that was the coolest,
most fan friendly thing I ever heard. And I was like, well,
now I'm a Kurt Schilling fan.And then everything else happened. Oh
my sweet summer child. The otherNow, in fairness, that is a
legit cool thing he did Oh yeah, but damn, that's that's tough.

(54:50):
And then Lenny Dykstra Lenny Dykstra centerfielder for the Phillies for their Magical ninety
three season, and he is ashifty, fraudulent and has been accused of
some sexual impropriety. I'm gonna justput a big fat allegedly on all that

(55:15):
because I don't want to get sued. But you know, it's and it's
tough. It's it's very difficult.But you wish for the best and often
and you hope they are good people, and often you get fooled by what

(55:37):
is presented and it's like, oh, they're upstanding people, and then it's
like, ah, not so much. I have always appreciated The first person
that I heard say, god,Ted Williams could be a jerk was Ted
Williams. He's just like, wow, I was an asshole, and it's

(55:58):
like, how are you know?Like it was so lovely to watch someone
I think he must have been inhis like probably late forties or fifties when
this interview that I was watching wasbrack was filmed. But it was just
like now that is like you canlook back on your past and realize that

(56:19):
you are a great ag jerk,and you're not denying. And that's where
I really lose my mind because withall the like things coming out about Hollywood
and history and stuff I have,and maybe this is because a part of
my dad, I kind of assumethat there are creeps everywhere, And when

(56:45):
I really lose my mind is whenthey are encouraged. Because here's the thing.
We have an imperfect but functioning judicialwith laws to deal with creeps who
commit crimes, But when they arepriests that end up in spotlight, or

(57:14):
producers who end up running movie studios, or freaking Joss Wait anywhere in there.
And I think that's why, likeGeorge Lucas writing Marsh Lucas out of
the story doesn't sit well. It'slike, you have the power to make
this go away, for the tonot face any consequences for what you've done,

(57:35):
and like, obviously the problem isthe thing you did that you need
to face consequences for. And nowI'm not talking about George Lucas for the
record, That's not what I'm talkingabout here. I'm talking about people who
crossed the lines and have now committedcrimes, but they face no consequences.
For them, and it's just like, you know, yeah, that thing
you did would be bad anywhere,but it is worse because you are in

(58:00):
this protected institution. That's what reallygets That's what really grinds my gears,
you know. Obviously, the probablymost prominent recent example is speaking of producer,
is Harvey Weinstein. I just rewatchedScream Love Scream Well. I mentioned
before Kevin Smith. Kevin Smith wouldnot have had a career if it wasn't

(58:21):
for Harvey Weinstein throwing his support andmoney behind Kevin Smith's early films. Weinstein
didn't have to be such crap.He was rich. He had an outrageous
amount of fame for an executive producerin a movie studio. You don't really

(58:43):
know. That's not somebody who youknow who they are, Yeah, But
because he had a big personality andhe was politically involved and people. Him
and his brother sort of had aninteresting story because they created Mirror Max,
which was the name of their parentsput together, and they put so much
and they put a lot of moneybehind smaller movies and were able to sort

(59:07):
of will them into success. Hisinvolvement with uh, they're able their ability
to spot talent like Kevin Smith,like Quentin Tarantino and listen, he was
a really rich guy. He wasand had a beautiful wife and famous friends

(59:28):
and got to hang out with glamorouspeople, despite the fact that he was
an ugly, pockmarked guy who wasn'tvery talented at anything other than producing movies.
Like he he wrote a script andit was terrible. They actually like
hands on produced works on movies,I think as a director, and it
bombed. But they were able to. You know, he had this charmed

(59:52):
life. But no, it's notenough to be have a charmed life and
a beautiful wife and you know,and Kevin Smith talked about it, like
listen, I just thought he wascheating on his wife. That wasn't it.
It wasn't like even that wouldn't havebeen enough. He could have had
a girlfriend on the side and nobodywould have cared. No, he had

(01:00:13):
to force women against their will andthen if anyone dared talk back to him,
he destroyed careers. Mira Sorvino shouldbe an A list actress based on
her looks, talent, her familyhistory, but because she dared turned down.

(01:00:35):
She was an Oscar winning actress thatdared turned down The advances of Harvey
Weinstein, and he did his bestand was pretty successful in gutting her career
a surprise, surprise, Harvey Weinsteinends up being a little bit of a
trigger for me. You are watchinga mas semester at all. It's on

(01:01:08):
us to sort out where we fallethically on these and I think part of
what's so frustrating, And again,you know, compared to a lot of
people, we live charmed lives,but we have to sit here and decide
where every single person now has todecide for every single creative. It feels

(01:01:30):
like, where is my line forthis person, what's the worst thing they
could do? Where I would stillyou know, like because some of these
people have created ip that changed ourlives, and it's sometimes hard to walk
away from. Sometimes it's not Ican tell you that up until the latest

(01:01:54):
round of decluttering, I owned wen'tno the could already gone, the book
had gone. But this last roundof decluttering we got rid of the last
We still had the DVD of BillCosby's Himself, one of the funniest,
Like my sister and I had thatmemorized and I was like, the money's

(01:02:15):
been spent, you know, themoney on this DVD was spent in you
know, two thousand and whatever,you know, whatever it was. I
think that came out in the eighties. It came out in the eighties.
My sister and I knew it growingup. We had it taped off the
TV and then eventually we got theDVD to replace that. And because because

(01:02:38):
it was quoted, it was oneof the few when my sister and I
started we got to the age wherewe were dating people, we had said,
like, what are the movies thatsomeone has to see to understand our
family? The original Arthur, Theoriginal Arthur was Dudley Moore. The Five
Pennies are Danny Kay, Bill mustbe himself and bonus if they know who

(01:03:01):
Victor Borga is, Oh god,Victor borg is. If you watch If
you watch Victor Borga, the FivePennies, Arthur and Bill Cosby's himself,
you get hanged because we were goingto quote it constantly out of context,
and if you didn't know what wewere quoting, you would be very confused.

(01:03:22):
But that was the That was perfectBill Cosby because before that he would
he told some jokes. He's prettyfamous and it's been revisited. His Spanish
fly joke where talking about him andhis buddies going to do you wanted to

(01:03:44):
get Spanish Fly because they said ifyou would give a girl Spanish fly,
it would knock her out. Inretrospect, we realized, like, oh
my god, he was telling onhimself then. So before Bill Cosby and
Selfie had that like his sometimes hisgoing into his history with growing up would

(01:04:05):
touch on that creepy stuff. Andthen after Bill Cosby himself, his comedy
revolved a lot about him just talkinga lot of shit about his wife.
Yeah, and Bill Cosby himself wasthe one where he was a dad and
he would he would talk about hewould joke about his his marriage and her

(01:04:27):
giving Earth and all that. Butit wasn't mean yeah, it wasn't yeah,
it didn't have that mean factor.Uh, Bill Cosby himself, it
was like a year or two basicallythat inspired them to do The Cosby Show
and Cosby Show you don't see itanymore. I think you got to do
a deep dive to find it playinganywhere. But that was the biggest show

(01:04:48):
on the planet. Everyone watched that. It is going to be so hard
for future generations to grasp that,like it's no not going to compute to
them. And and we didn't know. I'm obviously a lot of people did,
but we sitting at home certainly didnot. It was America's Dad,

(01:05:14):
and it was it was a groundbreakingshow because it was an affluent black family
lawyer and a doctor. And thenand so I know a lot of people,
a lot of people when that finallycame out, got rid of everything.
And and I I self justified andI was like, the money's been
spent. That is how I justifiedit to myself. And I'm one percent

(01:05:38):
using that word like I was inthe wrong. But I loved this one
piece of work that he'd done somuch that I I made an excuse to
hold on to it because and nowI tell myself, like, look,
it's still in my head, Likemy sister and I are gonna be seventy

(01:05:59):
five years old, and if someonegives us fifty cents, we're going to
turn to it and say, forfifty cents, there never was happiness.
And like, I'm sorry, that'sin my brain. I think you should
be in jail, but oh yeah, it's and it and it's awful that
we have to play this game.It's so yucky to say that, but

(01:06:20):
that's it's not a game. Butlike, you have to find that line,
and you have to find it overand over and over again. If
if a white lady found a blackguy who was good at football and said,
hey, come live with me andI'll help you get access to our
training, does it matter how oldhe is? Does it matter what his

(01:06:41):
living situation is? Like you knowwhat I mean? Like, you can't
just have that suspension of disbelief andsit there and enjoy a movie for the
sake of that movie. Now yourbrain is constantly calculating where does this Where
does it start to feel icky?Where does this start to feel like a
crime? And that's not an enjoyableway to spend a couple hours. In

(01:07:06):
music, this happens all the timebecause musicians are a famously broken lot.
You know, there's r Kelly fansout there, and jeez again, another
thing that is in my head.How do I unlearn ignition remix? There's

(01:07:30):
no way. It's just there inmy brain making me feel guilty. I'm
a big fan of the musician RyanAdams. He was the lead singer for
Whiskey Town and had a nice littleunder the radar alt country career. Some
of his He wrote the song StarscoBlue that was became a pretty big hit

(01:07:53):
for Tim McGraw, and he wasknown for being dificult. And then he
was married to Mandy Moore, andhe dated and produced music for Oh Gosh,

(01:08:13):
She's in boy Genius. She hadthe song ah, she had a
song Yes, I Am completely blankingon her. Yeah. Phoebee Bridgers,

(01:08:35):
who has gotten a bit of It'ssort of a buzzy performer. She performed,
She was a music a guest onSNL. She hangs out with Taylor
Swift. She's, you know,sort of an indie darling. Uh.
And just a lot of and thena lot of accusations came out and a

(01:08:55):
lot of oh, a lot ofwomen accusing him of sliding into their dm
him sliding into their dms and hangingout with in some of these girls not
necessarily significantly. He's in his fortiesgetting probably close to his fifties, and
women in their twenties, if notyounger. And you know, people posting,

(01:09:18):
like on their TikTok or their Instagramthem singing or playing music in him's
like hey you want to come over? It's just as bad as it sounds,
Hey, do you want to comeover to their studio? I think
you got a great sound that girlsdon't just don't. And it's tough because
it's one of my favorite musicians.And best case scenario, he's a jackass.

(01:09:40):
That's the most you can hope foris he's a jackass, and it
gets so much worse from there.That's I do appreciate, and I can't
think of any I don't want tosay any examples off the top of my
head because I don't know them wellenough. I appreciate when there is an
accusation that a line was crossed,not necessarily that a crime was committed,

(01:10:01):
but that a line was crossed,and the let's face it, the male
accused goes, oh my god,I'm so sorry. I had no idea.
That's how like, I just thoughtthat was a bad a date that
ended badly or something, you knowlike that. That yes, okay,
good because that was one of thepeople that I was like, I don't

(01:10:21):
want to you know, I don'tremember details, and this is several years
ago. But someone who, whenconfronted goes, oh my god, I'm
so sorry. I did not meanthat to come off that way, not
like oh, I'm sorry you tookit that way, but like, oh
my god, I'm so sorry.That was not my intention, you know.

(01:10:44):
And and because we now live ina world where we realize it's not
always black and white of was thisa crime or not? And so I
I I will always appree she atesomeone who or or if there were,
if there were a musician in hislate forties that dm'd a girl in her

(01:11:09):
twenties saying I think you have agreat sound, you should come into the
studio and when confronted said, ohmy god, no, I really just
wanted you to come into the studiolike that would be fine, but it's
never what happens. And I andI well, and the thing is,
I have friends who will not acceptthat. They're like, nope, that

(01:11:30):
the fact that it that it crossedthe line at all doesn't it doesn't matter
that they didn't mean to. AndI have friends and we have disagreed on
some people with that who would say, like, no, they should know
better. And it's like, I'mwilling to give people a little bit more
humanity. Well yeah, within Zeason, sorry it was And boy, I'm

(01:11:57):
how controversy was it was sad becauseyou like him, but it was tough
because the woman who accusation isn't evenI think might even be too strong term.
She was just recounting that she hada pretty crappy date with him and
felt uncomfortable. But she wasn't accusinghim of anything specifically, but the timing

(01:12:21):
in which this happened, the worldaccused him like on her behalf, and
then she got some backlash it andnone of which was fair because again she
wasn't saying I want him arrested,I want him canceled. She was just
saying, yeah, I had apretty crappy date. He was a little

(01:12:44):
too insistent, bit handsy. Yeah, And I think every woman probably has
a story like that of the guywho she invited back to replace and she
was thinking ABC might happen, andhe was hoping that X y Z would

(01:13:08):
happen and pushed a little too muchand he wasn't a bad guy, but
no, no thanks, and notonly and often that would be enough to
ruin it, so there would beno next date. Every and every guy
has that probably has that story ofwhen they were this you know, thought

(01:13:30):
quote unquote thought they had a shotand tried a little too hard and then
realized the next day is like,yep, I pressed too hard and now
she will not answer my calls andthat doesn't make us. There's a great
example of that to a lesser extentbecause it's about teenagers in Tom Taylor's book

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In Memory of Todd Woods. AndI won't say details because it's very towards
the end of the book, soI don't want to spoil it. But
someone who has been spending the entirebook being like, oh, the jokes
they suck, you know, they'reall so awful to their girlfriends. And
he gets a little, a littlehandsy, a little assistant, and the

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girl is just like, what makesyou different than the jucks that you say
are so awful? Like you're doingthe exact same thing basically. And there
are other examples, but that wasthe one that like spreund because it was
litigated in the press for like sixmonths of our lives. But there have
been other examples of guys who,once an allegation is made, like you

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can just tell, are like nottrying to cover up, not trying to
silence the person, not trying toyou know, like deny what happened,
just like, oh my god,I'm so sorry, and it's like,
yay, you get it. AndI think that it's the unrepentantness of some

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of these people. Well, Tarny, this has been it's been awesome having
you on. I was I wasdesperately trying to pull us around to a
happy place to end on. Iwas looking at the time of being like,
is this where we're gonna end now? Where we're gonna bring in the

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happy places? You have a bookout and you have podcasts coming up,
and I need you to plug yourpluggables. Oh I do. I have
a book out and no one isawful in it. People are human and
there are people you can root against. And my editor at one point was

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literally like, how old is thisguy supposed to be? He's sitting on
a high school and I'm like,yes, because that's what college boys do,
because they're gross. And I leftit in so if you would like
to read about it's basically a Americangraffiti, but set in the late nineties,
actually August two thousand. It's calledThe post Road. It's by Tierney

(01:16:06):
Steele. That's me. There's linksto it on my website. One Steel
sister dot com and that also haslinks to my shows. I'm supposed to
be doing dirty dancing with Rachel Mummerand Doris Weis. We're gonna do dirty
dancing one song at a time.I'm gonna keep saying it and like manifest
it out into the universe because itjust hasn't happened. Everyone has been busy,

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and certain co hosts have gone backto school, and other co hosts
live in Germany with a very bigtime difference, and it just hasn't come
together. So I really want todo that. It will. That is
another podcast that we'll talk about somevery very serious things but also have a

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lot of fun and just really revelin the fun part of the stuff too,
Like we are going to dance andwe are going to advocate for reproductive
rights at the same time. Iremember when that movie came out and it
was so influential culturally, and thatmovie single handedly like revitalize all these radio

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stations, like all of a sudden, the most popular radio station in every
town became the oldie station because ofhow much people love the music. And
what was hilarious is that movie endswith them playing The Time of Your Life,
which does not match the sound ofthe era at all. It is

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a fine song, and it haspeople love that song. It doesn't it
does not belong in that movie,even a little bitter the sound no,
but that is also the movie thathas Hungry Eyes. And She's Like the
Wind. The soundtrack is eighties tastic, with like two or three sixty songs
thrown in for flavor. She's Likethe Wind as sung by Patrick Swayze.

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Yep, Oh, I can't waitto talk about it. Oh, it's
gonna be fun. But I dohave completed projects in case that takes a
while to come to fruition. Uh. So I mentioned I've done The Apocalypse
Now Minutes with Chris Fray, andI also did a podcast called This Means
Something, which was about close encountersof the third kind. I've done Joe

(01:18:34):
Versus the Volcano with Jarf. Thatwas actually the first time that I said
I was retired from podcasting, andthen Jarf was like, I'm gonna do
Joe Versus the Volcano and it wasvery you son of a bitch, I'm
in so uh yeah and uh.And then if you listen to the never

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Ending Minute about the never Enning Story, our last episode was a bonus.
We actually got to interview Tammy Stronak, who played the childlike empers in that
movie. And it was the daybefore my due date. Oh wow.
I mentioned I was pregnant while doingthat show, and the timing had gotten
messed up, and you know,we got pushed back, then she got
pushed back, and so we finallyhad a day and it was it was

(01:19:24):
the day before my d day.So I have very fond memories of sitting
like, you know, waddling overto a chair and putting the microphone between
so I could record Tierney. Werecommend everyone check it out. Tony.
Thank you so much for doing this. This has been great and it's always

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a joy. Thank you so muchfor you've You've been a wonderful part of
my podcasting journey, and I'm gladwe could do this one more time.
Thank you for letting me come onone more time and randomly explore my feeling
about pop culture Wherever dark place thattook us to this time that Raps episode

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two ninety one bag thanks to TierneySteele. She is a long time favorite,
and she proved why glad we gother back one more time. Coming
soon to the Cosmic Cheppetto podcast.He's one of the best. Scott Corelli
returns till then, in the wordsof jar Harden, seeing the funny pages.

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